i'm sooo dispointed in the fact that there were sooo many wisconsin fans at the game. I've never been so embarassed to be a marquette fan as this game. It was an effing . embarassment. How is it that i could barely get tix to the game... It was sold out b4 it was open to the public but it was at least 40% red. Whoever sold their tix on ebay or stubhub are a disgrace.
for those that weren't at the game, u should be happy. There were so many go red and go badger chants that i could barely hear the mu fans. The concourses and bathrooms were full of red and pro-badger chants.
wisconsin outhustled and outplayed us today. They deserved to win. We gotta give them props, they have a good team. We gotta get better, we've got a long way to go before we're a top 15 team,
Complete exaggeration... there was maybe 20-25% Red, mainly smattered in the upper deck. They were loud because they're team made plays. You just happened to be sitting by most in the upper corners.
MU fans did well for themselves, its too bad the team couldn't deliver.
NOT an exaggeration. I would say the number was about 30%. The end zones were probably 50%.
I am completely F'ing pissed off at my fellow season ticket holders. THEY SHOULD BE F-ING ASHAMED. Either MU released a crap load of seats to groups, or there were hundreds of STHs who dumped their seats on eBay, or simply don't know the meaning of the word "home court".
Unless what we heard was wrong, the public NEVER had a chance to buy these tickets. I gave my 9 tickets to 9 MU fans, and 8 of them had on GOLD, damnit. You HAD to know a season ticket holder to get a seat. It was STUNNING the number of UW fans that got thru that system.
And they are such gracious winners, too. My wife and I were sort of alone on a block near the BC going home, and had to endure 3 UW fans chanting "FCK YOU, MARQUETTE" over and over at us .. very classy!
It's sad that "Marquette fans" would actually give away their tickets....I don't care how much they got for them it shouldn't be done, either buy them for other mu fans or don't buy them at all.
are u serious? U must have been in the student section. I was in section 403 and i've got pics of the crowd that i'll try to post when i get home. This crowd was a joke... How many mu fnas sold their tix on ebay to wisconsin fans. Not only was their team better today but so were their fans. 40% may been a slight exaggeration but it was not lower than 35%. Much more than 25%!
Don't forget the 5-packs, there's a good possibility some UW fans bought those after being shutout 2 years ago.
You are correct. The majority of those upper deck seats are 5-game plans. So if you saw red in the upper deck, the vast majority of them paid for another 4 games as well.
You are correct about the upper deck. There was a lot of red in the upper corners and behind. Those were mostly 5 packs. The disappointing part was the amount of red in the lower bowl, excluding the student section. There was probably 15-20% of the lower bowl in red. The luxury boxes were 90% red.
Very disapointed in the MU tix holders. Lower bowl is all season tix holders and there was too much red.
We can not shoot from the outside, until we can we may struggle.
just to be clear, i'm not calling out all seaon tix holders but just those that sold the extra tix they bought. Season tix holders like mu-hilltopper and others are true fans and should be applauded for sticking to their school and not trying to make a cheap buck.
While some badger fans may have bought the 5 game plan, i beleive thr majority of their tix came from mu season tix holders.
Ring a ding ding, that's gotta be it. 30% = 5,700 fans. Of which, a good 2500 were in the end zone, $9 seats. I could easily see those fans blowing $45 for a 5 pack, and throwing away the other 4 games .. and you could easily eBay the Prov (Wade) and Syracuse games.
So here's my plan:
1. This year, the STH's ticket requests were NOT completely fulfilled. If you didn't get them on Day 1, you were SOL. -- The 5 packs were sold BEFORE the STHs could buy. Reverse that. Let the STHs buy tickets first.
2. All tickets are traceable back to the STHs. At the game, members of the athletic department will go to each section and video tape who is sitting where. If it is determined someone wearing red is sitting in a seat you bought, your Blue & Gold account will be debited 5 points/seat.
So, if you really want to give your tickets to UW fans, you still can. All it will cost you is B&G points. If you're a weak fan and give your seats to UW fans, then you don't deserve the good seats B&G points will allow you to receive.
I'm definitely writing the B&G fund/ticket office to express my displeasure at giving up so many seats to UW fans. It's just a travesty. Losing is one thing, but enduring repeated "F-YOU MARQUETTE" chants in my own house is just appalling.
i was up in section 422 row S and I would say a legit 20 percent of the upper level if you don't factor the student section was Badger fans. I was a bit more surprised by the number of badger fans in the lower section. There were not a ton but there was enough of a smattering that you could notice them. What was up with the 4 rows behind the badger bench. I would imagine it was a contract issue but right behind the bench. I would have given the tickets to them up in the rafters. I was disappointed in the number of badger fans. I also saw Ted Perry from TV 6 wearing his red badger gear up in the upper level as well.
The seats behind the visitor bench is always reserved for visitor fans, allocated by their athletic department.
Please, please - tho I admire your passion, - let's be a bit reasonable. Regarding the STH's, there are a lot of long-time STH's who regularly attend all MU games.........BUT - somehow or other have an alleagence to Wisconsin. They either are married to, work with, etc. - and they support MU in all other endeavers.....EXCEPT - for this particular match-up. We sit right behind such a couple. They are so loyal.......until this game.
Sorry you had to endure some of the classless verbage.....but as a passionate fan, remember to show your class also.
The example you provide Warriorgal is the exception. I know people that have loyalties to both schools and that is completely understandable. Many of the seats in question were flat out UW fans. That is what is upsetting to the MU only fans.
Quote from: Warriorgal on December 09, 2006, 05:18:05 PM
Regarding the STH's, there are a lot of long-time STH's who regularly attend all MU games.........BUT - somehow or other have an alleagence to Wisconsin. They either are married to, work with, etc. - and they support MU in all other endeavers.....EXCEPT - for this particular match-up.
I can vouch for this too.. used to be married to a UW alum... she would support MU rabidly at every game except when we played MU.. even then you could see the torment but she'd still wear the red and pull for UW to win by 1.
there will always be classless opposing fans.. even at our own home games.. the only thing we can control is how we handle them.. simply saying nice game is about the classiest thing we can do. (as tempted as I am to lay turds on their cars as suggested by some people on the game chat today :D)
Don't discount the corporate impact either. I have no doubt many tickets went to customers. You needed only look in the suites to understand that.
Anyway, who cares?
You guys are a joke. Sure, there were a lot of Wisconsin fans there, but they were nowhere near the number of Marquette fans. The reason they were so loud is because Marquette played like crap, were ill prepared and were never in the game.
If you think there is EVER going to be a game in Milwaukee when Badger fans don't show up, you're delusional. Besides, almost every Wisco fan I encountered were more realistic about their team that MU fans. We are not very good. And after seeing DePaul beat Kansas and ND beat Alabama, I'm not even sure about an NCAA bid.
everyone must remember that we are severely outnumbered. Yes, I am sure some Marquette ticket holders sold their tickets to Badgers, knowingly or not. But the bottom line is...
1. UW graduates 9,000 students a year vs. maybe 3,500 for MU
2. The Bradley Center is humongous for a University of our size. I am amazed that we fill it with mainly MU fans against other teams
3. Some guy sitting in Racine who never went to either UW or Marquette is going to be a Badger fan. That guy may cheer for Marquette most other times but not when it comes to the Badgers. Most people will choose the state school over a private one. So, when this is taken into account the 9,000 vs. 3,500 doesn't even compare the "real" numbers.
With that much more of a fan base, and a chance to win (I noticed years ago when the Badgers' sucked the turnout was a lot less) just economics tells me some of those fans will find a way to get into the game. Now if we played into a stadium of like 12,000 (not saying we should mind you) it is going to be a different story. But, we don't, so the only way to shut the fans up is to win.
Alas, it didn't happen today.
My disappointment is with the lower level. Those seats should be all MU. They weren't today.
Right, and I understand all that. We're in a tiny minority. If the tickets were all sold through public channels, we'd be swamped in red, maybe 90/10.
But that's not the case. We control who gets tickets and who does not, through several hoops. Zero tickets were sold to the public. All were taken by either STHs giving them up, or 5-packs. So it's a leaky bucket. Fix the leaks. Penalize STHs who are screwing up the system.
As for the 5 packs, it's obvious MU's trying to milk the revenue stream. Lots of the UW 5 packers are buying the $9 seats, so it's $45 in revenue. But those $9 seats would get sold anyhow, so the marginal increase is $36/seat. Ok, that's $108k in extra 5 pack revenue. There are easier ways of raising $108k in revenue. Bump ticket prices about two dimes (.8%), and you're done.
I've gotta figure other schools have figured out a way to keep the home court advantage. Having 30% of your capacity usurped by the opposition is just nuts. We can sell out the BC without the need for opposing teams to fill spots, and do so 2-3 times/year. Just need to figure out how to find the corner-fillers who come to MU/Pitt, MU/UConn, MU/ND, MU/DePaul, and get the MU/UW tickets in their hands.
IMO, the Warrior fan to Badger fan ratio was pretty much what it always is in games at the Bradley Center. The problem was that MU played flat and the crowd responded in kind. The pregame buzz and excitement pretty much left the building midway through the first half, and never returned.
Quote from: tomahawkchop on December 09, 2006, 08:22:14 PM
IMO, the Warrior fan to Badger fan ratio was pretty much what it always is in games at the Bradley Center. The problem was that MU played flat and the crowd responded in kind. The pregame buzz and excitement pretty much left the building midway through the first half, and never returned.
I disagree. McNeal's swipe at half-court and his dunk, IIRC, cut the lead down to four. At that point, there wasn't a fan in the stadium who wasn't on their feet. That wasn't the only time that that happened, either. There were several times where MU would cut the lead down to four-or-six, only to have Tucker or Taylor bury a critical jumper.
Props to the crowd, both MU and Wiscy fans. The atmosphere was amazing. I just wish our team would've responded better to it...
That being said, we need to move on. I know, it sucks losing to arguably your biggest rival, but this isn't a loss that will kill us come selection Sunday. Four point loss to a team that has the inside track at 2nd place in the Big Ten? Now, I will say this -- MU CANNOT lay an egg against any of their remaining non-conference opponents. Gotta win the next four and go into conference play 13-2. If we do that, I think it will have been a reasonably successful start to the year.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 09, 2006, 07:35:30 PM
And after seeing DePaul beat Kansas and ND beat Alabama, I'm not even sure about an NCAA bid.
We have to still remember that it is only December 9th. Still a LONG way to go
get better. Four remaining non-conference cupcakes gives Crean a chance to right the ship heading into the BE.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 09, 2006, 10:28:18 PM
get better. Four remaining non-conference cupcakes gives Crean a chance to right the ship heading into the BE.
Unfortunately, nothing can really be learned from beating the cuppycakes of the basketball world.
LOVE THE AVATAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 09, 2006, 10:28:18 PM
get better. Four remaining non-conference cupcakes gives Crean a chance to right the ship heading into the BE.
Not sure how playing 4 cupcakes will right the ship. We are what we are.
Every year, I think of how ever could you replace player X or Y, and the answer is, the guys on the team get 10% better each year.
At this point, I'm not sure that's the case. It's hard to say if anyone on the team is measurably better than they were last year. DJ has a high bar to cross .. McNeal has "more" flashes of quality, but is still turns the ball over as much as last year .. Wes hasn't blossomed. Ooze has had a few good games .. he's definitely better. Fitz, Lott, and Burke are about the same.
The only two guys on the team that can get better and right the ship with growth are Cubillan and Lazar. They've got some unknown upside, and we're all optimistic.
By and large, though, this team will struggle to be as good as they were last year, which, as I keep reminding, we played 15 games vs. quality RPI < 90 teams, and won only 5 of those 15 quality games. Of course, the BE won't be as dominating this year.
I have VERY high hopes for cubillan.. he has very promising flashes and seems fairly steady and high energy throughout.. his ball control is excellent and attitude is "bring it'.
I have fairly high hopes for Barro too.. he has had a few very good games and seems to have regressed slightly the past few games.. he was powering his way through the forest of hands and arms to put the ball in the hoop.. the last two games seems like he's trying to avoid the contact again and snake through. if he gets that fearlessness back and consistency he'll be a great presence for us down low.
further, I have high hopes for the sophomores yet too.. I think DJ needs to become a little more grounded and the three as a whole need to accept the burden of being leaders.
I agree about Lazar.. just not sure if it'll happen til late in the season or over the summer.. he seems daunted by the action going on in the court yet.. he needs to let it come to him rather than force stuff.. Much the same with blackledge except he seems to be having trouble getting off the bench at all.
fitz could get a little better methinks but it might be too little too late by the time he does. I keep hoping he'll have a breakout perimeter game in the OOC but his chances are growing fewer. I am happy with his rebounding effort improvement.
3. Some guy sitting in Racine who never went to either UW or Marquette is going to be a Badger fan.
That's the biggest problem with college basketball in this state. MU has 40-plus years of tradition, while Wisconsin-Madison has been above-average for 10 years, yet everyone in this state is ga-ga over them. Too many people in this state are mind-numbed robots in regards to college basketball, believing everything the liberal-leaning, Madison-biased media tells them.
I just don't understand how 4,000 UW fans at the BC is a bad thing. IMHO the best part about the game is the interaction with all the red. At Buck Bradleys before there were plenty of great barbs traded. The highlight was when some redneck walked in with the greatest Kentucky Waterfall this side of Talledaga and everyone waited to see his alegiance...on the back of his black leather jacket was a huge Bucky...MU fans thought typical and every UW fan thought "the price we pay for winning the popular vote in WI.
At the game, the guy who sits behind me, who has not missed one MU game this year, showed up in UW red (his wife an MU grad). He was greeted by the A$$ Hole chant (I jumped in too). The best part is the students who did this probably were at the Raynor Library during Delaware State when this guy was cheering for MU but he still took in stride. That's what makes it great.
I understand home court...but when MU was playing well we completely drowned out the red...it was only when the tides turned that the red could be heard. By then, they earned it.
agreed damon, the razzing was something that is just too much fun. it sucked to have the UW fans be obnoxious when the badgers were going on runs (most the game) but it was fun for the fans, it made the MU fans cheer with pride