Can't wait to read about the positives to take into the BE Tourney and beyond from this game.
no injuries???
The defense in the second half was awful. Led by "Big East Defensive Player of the Year" who can't stop a 6'8" guy on a fast break and just reaches out, because of sheer laziness. Turning point of the game, in my opinion. This team is hit or miss. They get down by 10 in the second half they lose, they get up by 10 in the second half we win, usually (see last week).
The ONLY positive, is that ND awaits us in the second round if we beat Seton Hall. And Len Elmore is an idiot if he thinks that: 1. Seton Hall is any good. 2. They will have a home game at MSG. If we lose to Seton Hall, we deserve a 10 seed.
Quote from: MUDPT on March 08, 2008, 05:14:17 PMLed by "Big East Defensive Player of the Year" who can't stop a 6'8" guy on a fast break and just reaches out, because of sheer laziness. Turning point of the game, in my opinion.
I think he was worried about his foul situation at the time, but I'm not sure - don't remember how many he had anymore.
However - that's just one play. The defensive effort was not good throughout the game.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 08, 2008, 05:07:55 PM
Can't wait to read about the positives to take into the BE Tourney and beyond from this game.
So you know how we feel waiting for all of your negatives now? That's a positive.
Quote from: MUDPT on March 08, 2008, 05:14:17 PM
The defense in the second half was awful. Led by "Big East Defensive Player of the Year" who can't stop a 6'8" guy on a fast break and just reaches out, because of sheer laziness. Turning point of the game, in my opinion. This team is hit or miss. They get down by 10 in the second half they lose, they get up by 10 in the second half we win, usually (see last week).
The ONLY positive, is that ND awaits us in the second round if we beat Seton Hall. And Len Elmore is an idiot if he thinks that: 1. Seton Hall is any good. 2. They will have a home game at MSG. If we lose to Seton Hall, we deserve a 10 seed.
I agree in regards to that play being the game turner. Lazar gets trapped near the basket and gets the ball pulled out of his hands. Mcneal plays lazy defense. But not to be outdone, Lazar comes roaring back to foul after the ball is already dunked.
That said, I like the six seed better. As CT said, it's all about match-ups with this team.
I'll give it a shot.
Well, you had to kinda expect this. Syracuse REALLY needed this game while our position in the NCAA tournament is secure. Besides, we're better off as the six seed in the BE tournament because we avoid UConn in the second round. Coach used this game to give valuable experience to Blackledge and Christopherson in a hostile environment. The refs killed us. There were locusts!
Actually, I think this loss is a killer in that our NCAA seeding is plummeting. I think we're a 7 now. When you think about it, our season profile isn't a whole lot different than last year when we were all expecting a 5 or 6 and ended up with an 8.
Turning point in my opinion was when Fitz missed an open 3, and Syracuse came down and immediately hit one -- Johnny Flynn I believe. Huge, 6 point swing and the game was pretty much over.
Also, why do I keep hearing we will get ND in the second round. If tehy happen to lose, and UConn wins, I am pretty sure UConn wins the tie breaker. That's a nightmare scenario.
Love the 6th seed
What Big East games are remaining now that could affect seeding?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 08, 2008, 05:18:55 PM
Also, why do I keep hearing we will get ND in the second round. If tehy happen to lose, and UConn wins, I am pretty sure UConn wins the tie breaker. That's a nightmare scenario.
Because ND is playing South Florida. It could happen... we just don't think it will.
honestly though, I can't really imagine a scenario where you want to lose a game. We really would have been better off to win right? Duh. So we can't seriously justify the way we played
Quote from: scooter on March 08, 2008, 05:23:26 PM
What Big East games are remaining now that could affect seeding?
All of them pretty much. If ND loses and UConn wins, UConn is the 3 seed. Heck, the 12th team isn't even settled yet.
Quote from: scooter on March 08, 2008, 05:25:21 PM
honestly though, I can't really imagine a scenario where you want to lose a game. We really would have been better off to win right? Duh. So we can't seriously justify the way we played
Not at all. I doubt losing for BET seeding would even cross the team's mind. It just happens to be what happened. Definitely not on purpose at all though.
Let's be honest here. Mbakwe played a lot. SC was in very early as was Trend. This doesn't happen when you're trying to win the game.
Ya play horsebleep basketball, ya get horsebleep results.
Well I hope they are heading home before they had to NYC because they obviously forgot to pack their intensity and their defense. We are going to need both at MSG.
Quote from: marqptm on March 08, 2008, 05:27:38 PM
Let's be honest here. Mbakwe played a lot. SC was in very early as was Trend. This doesn't happen when you're trying to win the game.
Trud dat, and the reason was because we were getting the stuffing knocked out of us. Extremely disappoint game by MU, totally whipped inside. Make all the excuses you want, this is not the way you want to enter the BE tourney. I think we are one and done.
Quote from: marqptm on March 08, 2008, 05:27:38 PM
Let's be honest here. Mbakwe played a lot. SC was in very early as was Trend. This doesn't happen when you're trying to win the game.
Barro had foul trouble and Mbakwe is his current replacement.
Trend was in to try to give us more size, but I suppose that is a bit of a head-turner.
SC playing was very confusing. The only one there that might make you think that.
However - they never try not to lose the game. This loss could kill us in seeding if we only win 1 BET game. I refuse to believe there's any chance MU tanked the game.
Quote from: marqptm on March 08, 2008, 05:27:38 PM
Let's be honest here. Mbakwe played a lot. SC was in very early as was Trend. This doesn't happen when you're trying to win the game.
Well, there's that, and there is also the possibility that the coach is pissed at his players on the floor and is looking for some better effort, and there is also the possibility he is trying to use his depth to wear down a very thin opponent. If you think they didn't care about winning the game, I can only assume you have never watched this team play before.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 08, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
I think we are one and done.
In which tournament? Even if they play like they did today they still have a shot to beat Seton Hall (current #11 seed) - so I must guess you are talking about the NCAA tourney.
TJ - exactly my point - we did not play this way on purpose. If we tanked this game, that's an embarrassment to the university
Couldn't wear down the opponent because we passed the ball around their zone for 25 seconds, then took an outside shot and usually missed or fouled. Gave Cuse and their seven players time to catch their breath.
Quote from: scooter on March 08, 2008, 05:35:20 PM
TJ - exactly my point - we did not play this way on purpose. If we tanked this game, that's an embarrassment to the university
I completely agree, but there's no way that happened. We played like crap, but not on purpose.
Quote from: TJ on March 08, 2008, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 08, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
I think we are one and done.
In which tournament? Even if they play like they did today they still have a shot to beat Seton Hall (current #11 seed) - so I must guess you are talking about the NCAA tourney.
Both if we don't play with our hair on fire. SH will have homecourt as the fans just have to cross the river to MSG.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 08, 2008, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: TJ on March 08, 2008, 05:34:45 PM
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 08, 2008, 05:31:14 PM
I think we are one and done.
In which tournament? Even if they play like they did today they still have a shot to beat Seton Hall (current #11 seed) - so I must guess you are talking about the NCAA tourney.
Both if we don't play with our hair on fire. SH will have homecourt as the fans just have to cross the river to MSG.
Didn't we already win at Seton Hall? And pretty handily?
We crushed Seton Hall on the road, but they gave us a battle in Milwaukee. They're not that bad, but I think we'll beat them.
Does anyone else believe that perhaps TC has had it with Cubes? Since that meltdown in Nova where he was screaming in the huddle, his contribution has been nil. I mean, Scott may be a good player down the road but he is nowhere near a BE player right now, and yet there he was today, playing in the first half (with Trend and Trevor) while Cubes was buried on the bench?
Maybe because DJ has been healthy and can play more? Or lost confidence by TC? Both Acker's and Cube's playing time has diminished greatly in last few games. One of my vents earlier was putting in Acker and Scott C. at the same time when we were down 5 in first half. In about one minute it went up to 10 points.
you can spin this anyway you want, but there's nothing good that can be said about this loss. Sure hope this won't hurt our recruiting......
Don't forget, David played all summer for Venezuela. I think he's out of gas.
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 08, 2008, 09:47:19 PM
Sure hope this won't hurt our recruiting......
I don't get this comment. Not picking on you, Wiz, because I've heard this from several sources, but can you really envision a recruit who is seriously interested in us, and in whom Marquette is also seriously interested, changing their mind based on one performance? Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit, but I find it hard to believe that these kids/young adults could be that fickle. And if a recruit is that fickle (read: immature), do we really want him as a part of our program?
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 08, 2008, 05:18:39 PM
Actually, I think this loss is a killer in that our NCAA seeding is plummeting. I think we're a 7 now. When you think about it, our season profile isn't a whole lot different than last year when we were all expecting a 5 or 6 and ended up with an 8.
I apologize if people have responded to this in subsequent posts but I just had to echo this thought ... whether we deserved it or not (I would say we did not), we got a seeding at least 2 points higher than everyone and his mom had predicted. I'm not so sure that the Committee has changed (has it?) since then to give us any indication that the BE won't get shellacked versus the Big Eleven in terms of teams/seeding.
Quote from: warrior07 on March 08, 2008, 10:57:19 PM
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 08, 2008, 05:18:39 PM
Actually, I think this loss is a killer in that our NCAA seeding is plummeting. I think we're a 7 now. When you think about it, our season profile isn't a whole lot different than last year when we were all expecting a 5 or 6 and ended up with an 8.
I apologize if people have responded to this in subsequent posts but I just had to echo this thought ... whether we deserved it or not (I would say we did not), we got a seeding at least 2 points higher than everyone and his mom had predicted. I'm not so sure that the Committee has changed (has it?) since then to give us any indication that the BE won't get shellacked versus the Big Eleven in terms of teams/seeding.
There is a Big East rep on the committee this year, last year there were none.
IAM - not taking it personally. most kids are pretty immature in HS and some are immature all the way through college and beyond. I think it will hurt our recruiting because it is a horrible effort on national tv against a team that depending on what service you like is rated as low as # 51 in rpi. It is a blow to our image and with hs kids, image is everything.