I'm not sure how the tiebreakers work, but there could be a bunch of teams that finish at 11-7. At Syracuse will be tough for their last home game.
Pitt, WVU, and Cincinnati all have 11-7 possibilities as well, though WVU and Pitt play one another so one of them for sure can't make it. Cincinnati has to win their last three straight.
Whomever wins the WVU vs Pitt game, they will be favored to win their last game as it's against either DePaul or St. John's. So getting to 12-6 is pretty big for us as at least one of Pitt or WVU is likely to go 11-7 also. If it's Pitt and we beat them, not sure if head to head means a damn thing in this league. If it does, then I guess it would be us. If it's WVU who wins (the game against Pitt is at WVU), then we would lose head to head...again not sure what the tiebreaks are.
Then again, if we win, we're locked in at the 5 at worst
Then they better get to practicing free throws. With their mindset right now, Syracuse will be a tough win. If you think we has trouble with GT's zone, wait till they see Boeheim's more complicated 2-3.
I believe I remember a thread where the tiebreakers were discussed and head to head only works in a two way tie. With a three way or more tie then you look at the "pool of games" played amongst all the tied teams. Any one know more definitively?
Free throw percentage or a coin toss.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
I'm not sure how the tiebreakers work, but there could be a bunch of teams that finish at 11-7. At Syracuse will be tough for their last home game.
Pitt, WVU, and Cincinnati all have 11-7 possibilities as well, though WVU and Pitt play one another so one of them for sure can't make it. Cincinnati has to win their last three straight.
Whomever wins the WVU vs Pitt game, they will be favored to win their last game as it's against either DePaul or St. John's. So getting to 12-6 is pretty big for us as at least one of Pitt or WVU is likely to go 11-7 also. If it's Pitt and we beat them, not sure if head to head means a damn thing in this league. If it does, then I guess it would be us. If it's WVU who wins (the game against Pitt is at WVU), then we would lose head to head...again not sure what the tiebreaks are.
Then again, if we win, we're locked in at the 5 at worst
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2008, 06:07:00 PM
I'm not sure how the tiebreakers work, but there could be a bunch of teams that finish at 11-7. At Syracuse will be tough for their last home game.
Pitt, WVU, and Cincinnati all have 11-7 possibilities as well, though WVU and Pitt play one another so one of them for sure can't make it. Cincinnati has to win their last three straight.
Whomever wins the WVU vs Pitt game, they will be favored to win their last game as it's against either DePaul or St. John's. So getting to 12-6 is pretty big for us as at least one of Pitt or WVU is likely to go 11-7 also. If it's Pitt and we beat them, not sure if head to head means a damn thing in this league. If it does, then I guess it would be us. If it's WVU who wins (the game against Pitt is at WVU), then we would lose head to head...again not sure what the tiebreaks are.
Then again, if we win, we're locked in at the 5 at worst
Your headline is incorrect. We cannot finish worse than a tie for 5th. You're confusing finish in conference with seed in the conference tournament. Two different things.
There can't be a tie with MU and both Pitt and WVU, since they're both two games behind us in the win column, and they each have just two games left--one of which is against each other. Therefore, there are no four-way-tie possibilities (barring two losses each by UConn and ND, and I'm not going there).
That leaves two three way tie possibilities, which uses the miniconference as the first tie-breaker:
Pitt, MU, UC:
MU is 2-0, Pitt 1-2, UC 1-2. MU is the 5th seed.
3 way tie: WVU, MU, UC:
MU is 1-1, WVU is 1-1, UC is 1-1 UC is 5th seed based on win over UL. Then MU and WVU are considered tied, and WVU is 6th seed based on head-to-head. MU is 7th.
2 way tie: MU, UC: MU is 5th seed based on head to head
2 way tie: MU, Pitt: MU is 5th seed based on head to head
2 way tie: MU, WVU: WVU is 5th seed based on head to head, MU is 6th.
The only way for MU to have the 7th seed is for both UC and WVU to win out, and MU to lose at Syracuse.
You're correct 84....I'll make the change.