It's getting completely ridiculous. So if you go to a kiosk or snack stand at an airport, where there's a 100% surcharge on everything, we're also supposed to tip 18-25%? Just get rid of this nonsense.
So much like Steve Martin in my blue heaven, I don't believe in tipping I believe in over tipping.
But the places tips are being requested now is insane. Well.
I'm a generous tipper, and even I am fatigued by the ridiculous of it now.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 09:04:56 PMIt's getting completely ridiculous. So if you go to a kiosk or snack stand at an airport, where there's a 100% surcharge on everything, we're also supposed to tip 18-25%? Just get rid of this nonsense.
If they offer you the high chair without asking you should tip 20% minimum
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 09, 2026, 10:14:55 PMIf they offer you the high chair without asking you should tip 20% minimum
Quote from: forgetful on June 09, 2026, 09:37:37 PMI'm a generous tipper, and even I am fatigued by the ridiculous of it now.
I'm generous as well but at some point this just needs to stop. Making people feel guilty for not tipping 20% or more after they buy a pack of gum is outrageous.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 09, 2026, 10:14:55 PMIf they offer you the high chair without asking you should tip 20% minimum
I should get reparations.
Want to get rid of tipping?
Support businesses and legislation that enforce full wages for employees without tips.
Boom. Tipping gone.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 10, 2026, 04:45:13 AMWant to get rid of tipping?
Support businesses and legislation that enforce full wages for employees without tips.
Boom. Tipping gone.
Awful idea.
New Zealand does it.
A little higher price at the Restaurant, but then the servers don't expect anything additional.
Also, pay cash where you can. It is when you tap the CC for approval or get the CC receipt that you are asked for a tip.
Many, if not most, restaurant servers and bartenders wouldn't want to end the tipping system and go with a straight higher wage. One of my best friends is a bartender at a higher end place, and he makes a very nice living, much of which is unpreported cash. If they just gave him a straight wage instead, he would likely find something else to do with his time.
That being said, the only time I cheerfully give a tip outside of the traditional tipping jobs is at the local ice cream place down the street where its just a bunch of teenagers waiting on me. Otherwise, I will grudgingly tip $1 or so for other such jobs.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 10, 2026, 07:01:34 AMThat being said, the only time I cheerfully give a tip outside of the traditional tipping jobs is at the local ice cream place down the street where its just a bunch of teenagers waiting on me.
# C R E E P A L E R T*it's
Quote from: The Sultan on June 10, 2026, 07:01:34 AMMany, if not most, restaurant servers and bartenders wouldn't want to end the tipping system and go with a straight higher wage. One of my best friends is a bartender at a higher end place, and he makes a very nice living, much of which is unpreported cash. If they just gave him a straight wage instead, he would likely find something else to do with his time.
That being said, the only time I cheerfully give a tip outside of the traditional tipping jobs is at the local ice cream place down the street where its just a bunch of teenagers waiting on me. Otherwise, I will grudgingly tip $1 or so for other such jobs.
Sure sure. I'm familiar with a few high end servers who wouldn't be happy either.
There's probably not a correct answer/solution here, but which scenario is better for society as a whole?
What do you guys tip when picking up an order from a restaurant? I know during Covid it was encouraged to be generous, but now I'm getting a bit of fatigue on that one and not sure what most do.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 10, 2026, 09:26:34 AMSure sure. I'm familiar with a few high end servers who wouldn't be happy either.
There's probably not a correct answer/solution here, but which scenario is better for society as a whole?
To let the market decide. If you like the net pay, do the job. If not, don't do it.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 10, 2026, 04:45:13 AMWant to get rid of tipping?
Support businesses and legislation that enforce full wages for employees without tips.
Boom. Tipping gone.
But the point is that tipping has escaped that realm. Its not just "traditional" tipping spaces. Nobody has Tipping Fatigue from bars or restaurants.
I remember when there was a legitimate discussion about tipping on take out orders, which largely ended and morphed into the norm during COVID when nearly everything became takeout for awhile.
But now nearly every counter service/fast casual restaurant has "mandatory" tipping entries that you have to bypass if you don't pay, that's a "full wage" business. Ive been given then screen for tipping at no less than a half dozen different fast food places over the last year or so. I had to manually bypass a tipping screen when I got my oil changed recently...AT A DEALERSHIP. These are places that have compensation structures based around tipping. Just because a place offers a "service" doesn't mean its a tipping venue. You're not tipping the guy at the DMV or H&R Block for the service.
So yea, its basically sort of bled into a way that people have becoming overly accustomed to tipping post-COVID that they don't even think and add it blindly. And it further has broken it because tipping was, forever, commiserate with doing a good job or above and beyond. You wouldn't tip a cab driver who was rude or purposefully slow to hike the fare. You wouldn't tip a bellhop who was rude or made you do most of the work, etc... Now its gotten so out of hand that its just table stakes for anything offering it. You got the service, so you also have to pay a tip in addition, regardless of said service.
And to be fair, I'm not even referring to service in restaurants. I realize what a rough ecosystem that is (for both servers and restaurants themselves) so I still tip 18-20% as a baseline unless it was truly abysmal. I'm not the kind of person (unfortunately usually older clientele) who start at 10% and make you "earn" higher.
And I say this last part not to be condescending, but there is part of the traditional tipping social arrangement that left both parties feeling good, in a way. If you got great service, it felt satisfying to recognize that with an outsized tip. The recipient appreciated it, it encouraged the whole ecosystem, it felt good for all, and not in some performative way. It still does in some places, but too often its become almost a begrudging necessity.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 10, 2026, 09:26:34 AMSure sure. I'm familiar with a few high end servers who wouldn't be happy either.
There's probably not a correct answer/solution here, but which scenario is better for society as a whole?
It's some of these higher end places that have got me irritated at times. For work functions I often end up going to high-end restaurants where you will often drop $1k on a meal and some drinks. Tipping 20% ($200) in that case for a 1-hour dinner, when in some cases you have a server that you almost never see, with minimal service (i.e. no bread refills, having to flag someone down for a water refill), is sometimes irritating.
Especially when you know they mailed it in and you could get better service at a Denny's where the tip might only be $10-20.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 10, 2026, 09:29:07 AMWhat do you guys tip when picking up an order from a restaurant? I know during Covid it was encouraged to be generous, but now I'm getting a bit of fatigue on that one and not sure what most do.
Good question. Carryout is bringing the food from the kitchen to the pickup spot. Paying cash avoids the CC asking for a tip.
A number of restaurants do not add on an additional % of the purchase price if paying by cash versus paying by CC.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 10, 2026, 09:29:07 AMWhat do you guys tip when picking up an order from a restaurant? I know during Covid it was encouraged to be generous, but now I'm getting a bit of fatigue on that one and not sure what most do.
no tip on takeout for me. The only exception is maybe a local food truck or something.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 10, 2026, 09:42:29 AMTo let the market decide. If you like the net pay, do the job. If not, don't do it.
The notion that any kind of pure market economics is deciding anything at the lower end of the labor market is quaint.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 10, 2026, 09:29:07 AMWhat do you guys tip when picking up an order from a restaurant? I know during Covid it was encouraged to be generous, but now I'm getting a bit of fatigue on that one and not sure what most do.
Since back of house staff (cooks etc.) often receive part of their wages from tip pooling, and they still had to work equally hard for my meal, I usually do, but it is generally a bit less 10-15%.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 10, 2026, 09:47:45 AMBut the point is that tipping has escaped that realm. Its not just "traditional" tipping spaces. Nobody has Tipping Fatigue from bars or restaurants.
I remember when there was a legitimate discussion about tipping on take out orders, which largely ended and morphed into the norm during COVID when nearly everything became takeout for awhile.
But now nearly every counter service/fast casual restaurant has "mandatory" tipping entries that you have to bypass if you don't pay, that's a "full wage" business. Ive been given then screen for tipping at no less than a half dozen different fast food places over the last year or so. I had to manually bypass a tipping screen when I got my oil changed recently...AT A DEALERSHIP. These are places that have compensation structures based around tipping. Just because a place offers a "service" doesn't mean its a tipping venue. You're not tipping the guy at the DMV or H&R Block for the service.
So yea, its basically sort of bled into a way that people have becoming overly accustomed to tipping post-COVID that they don't even think and add it blindly. And it further has broken it because tipping was, forever, commiserate with doing a good job or above and beyond. You wouldn't tip a cab driver who was rude or purposefully slow to hike the fare. You wouldn't tip a bellhop who was rude or made you do most of the work, etc... Now its gotten so out of hand that its just table stakes for anything offering it. You got the service, so you also have to pay a tip in addition, regardless of said service.
And to be fair, I'm not even referring to service in restaurants. I realize what a rough ecosystem that is (for both servers and restaurants themselves) so I still tip 18-20% as a baseline unless it was truly abysmal. I'm not the kind of person (unfortunately usually older clientele) who start at 10% and make you "earn" higher.
And I say this last part not to be condescending, but there is part of the traditional tipping social arrangement that left both parties feeling good, in a way. If you got great service, it felt satisfying to recognize that with an outsized tip. The recipient appreciated it, it encouraged the whole ecosystem, it felt good for all, and not in some performative way. It still does in some places, but too often its become almost a begrudging necessity.
Agree with all wags.
That's why I prefer removal of all tips/tipping.
In Seattle, the minimum wage has been raised to $21.30/hour. So servers and dishwashers at, say, IHOP start at that wage. (It's $17.13 in other parts of Washington state.)
Nicer Seattle restaurants often pay more than twice that, or else they wouldn't be able to keep their good employees.
Restaurants have raised prices accordingly, and many of them still put a large mandatory surcharge on each check.
Here's what one fine-dining restaurant group posted on its website:
Beginning January 1, 2025, Sea Creatures full-service restaurants have returned to the service charge model we used prior to the pandemic (2015-2020).
This 22% service charge is applied to all dine-in guest checks and is retained entirely by the house. Revenue from this service charge is used to pay operating expenses, including labor.
50% of the service charge provides additional hourly earnings directly to hourly staff: Front-of-house staff earn an additional $10–$30/hour, and back-of-house staff earn an additional $8–$20/hour. This is in addition to their $25/hour base wage. Accordingly, front-of-house staff earn between $35-$55/hour, base wage + additional earnings from the service charge. Back-of-house staff earn between $32-$45/hour, base wage + additional earnings from the service charge.
Service charge funds are also used to pay a base wage approximately 20% higher than Seattle's hourly minimum wage of $21.30 ($25/hour for cooks and servers and $23/hour for dishwashers), and to offer comprehensive benefits including:
++ health, vision, dental insurance
++ 401k matching retirement accounts
++ paid time off (above and beyond the City of Seattle's mandate)
++ Pre-tax commuter assistance accounts
++ A wellness program ($50/month reimbursements for mental health counseling, yoga classes, gym memberships, etc.)
These benefits are available to even to part-time employees working as few as 25 hours per week on average.
This approach ensures that servers and cooks across Sea Creatures' full-service restaurants earn hourly compensation that meets or exceeds what their counterparts earn at similar restaurants in Seattle, even before receiving optional additional gratuities. Moreover, they benefit from a robust package of perks not commonly available in the industry. Our commitment is to provide the most competitive compensation packages we possibly can for our team.
The 22% service charge reflects the historical average tipping percentage from our guests. This 22% service charge is in lieu of tips. Gratuities are not expected, however they are accepted. 100% of tips are distributed among non-lead, hourly workers in the front-of-house and back-of-house.
Sales tax is collected on this service charge per Washington State law.
We do not charge a service charge out our counter-service General Porpoise cafés. General Porpoise baristas earn minimum wage, $21.30 + tips.
https://www.eatseacreatures.com/page/service-charge
So you've just gone to one of their restaurants and received the bill for $500, which includes higher prices and a 22% surcharge (plus tax) to better compensate employees ... and they also present you with a screen with an option to include an additional tip.
We know folks who are adamant that they won't give a penny more in such a case, others who will give an extra 10% or so, and others who still tip 20% "because we feel guilty."
In several states, minimum wage for restaurant workers is $2.13 a hour. Obviously, those folks need to be generously tipped. But what's the etiquette when you know the workers are making $40+/hour - and you're paying higher menu prices to support it? We always tip (though not necessarily 20%), but we know lots of people who don't.
The latest thing I've noticed is restaurants saying they have added a nominal surcharge - usually 3-5% - to help cover "expenses," including salaries. They say the surcharge can be removed upon request. I'm guessing very few people request the fee's removal.
And yes, all of this restaurant-tip discussion is a whole 'nother thing than a car dealership's service department requesting a tip. Ridiculous.
It's crazy out there.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 10, 2026, 09:47:45 AMBut the point is that tipping has escaped that realm. Its not just "traditional" tipping spaces. Nobody has Tipping Fatigue from bars or restaurants.
I remember when there was a legitimate discussion about tipping on take out orders, which largely ended and morphed into the norm during COVID when nearly everything became takeout for awhile.
But now nearly every counter service/fast casual restaurant has "mandatory" tipping entries that you have to bypass if you don't pay, that's a "full wage" business. Ive been given then screen for tipping at no less than a half dozen different fast food places over the last year or so. I had to manually bypass a tipping screen when I got my oil changed recently...AT A DEALERSHIP. These are places that have compensation structures based around tipping. Just because a place offers a "service" doesn't mean its a tipping venue. You're not tipping the guy at the DMV or H&R Block for the service.
So yea, its basically sort of bled into a way that people have becoming overly accustomed to tipping post-COVID that they don't even think and add it blindly. And it further has broken it because tipping was, forever, commiserate with doing a good job or above and beyond. You wouldn't tip a cab driver who was rude or purposefully slow to hike the fare. You wouldn't tip a bellhop who was rude or made you do most of the work, etc... Now its gotten so out of hand that its just table stakes for anything offering it. You got the service, so you also have to pay a tip in addition, regardless of said service.
And to be fair, I'm not even referring to service in restaurants. I realize what a rough ecosystem that is (for both servers and restaurants themselves) so I still tip 18-20% as a baseline unless it was truly abysmal. I'm not the kind of person (unfortunately usually older clientele) who start at 10% and make you "earn" higher.
And I say this last part not to be condescending, but there is part of the traditional tipping social arrangement that left both parties feeling good, in a way. If you got great service, it felt satisfying to recognize that with an outsized tip. The recipient appreciated it, it encouraged the whole ecosystem, it felt good for all, and not in some performative way. It still does in some places, but too often its become almost a begrudging necessity.
All of this. Also, I am never sure that the tips are the POS tablets are even going to the workers. Or if they are, they aren't informed. Out of guilt I have hit the tip at the local burrito place and I don't even get a 'thanks!' from them. Do they know? Do they get the money? Do they not know to say thanks?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 10, 2026, 01:19:24 PMAll of this. Also, I am never sure that the tips are the POS tablets are even going to the workers. Or if they are, they aren't informed. Out of guilt I have hit the tip at the local burrito place and I don't even get a 'thanks!' from them. Do they know? Do they get the money? Do they not know to say thanks?
Exactly. Thats sort of what I was getting at with my last point.
I started going to a new barber a few months ago. Shop is relatively inexpensive, but my guy is meticulous, we have some great conversations about soccer and Middle Eastern influenced EDM, and its an overall great experience. I tip him really well comparatively to the cut price and he always comments and thanks me specifically for the tip. Similarly, when you tip smallish at a restaurant in a non-tipping place, like Europe or the like, you normally always get an appreciative or almost surprised positive reaction. I'm not expecting some ego stroking gratitude, but its just the mere acknowledgement that the tip is beyond the normal exchange/not expected, and both parties appreciate the service/tip. When its just an expected addition on a POS tablet, or card reader, that isn't even acknowledged, its just like what's the point.
I think the most interesting variable place for me is food trucks. Cause by and large they are owner/operator situations. My wife and I have historically had conversations about not tipping "owners" (for example, at her eyelash salon and also nail salon, where she gets serviced by the owner), but for food trucks Ive been making exceptions. My apartment complex has trucks come through a few times a month and Ive been tipping more for trucks that are pleasant, do customization, etc... One of the trucks is actually owned by our next door neighbors, a middle aged couple with a catering company who started a truck 2 years ago. They said they have never expected tips, especially from the catering industry, sometimes you get a couple hundred bucks if you really kill it for a venue or event. But their POS software has it built in, there isn't even a pass-by in set-up. You can tailor the settings for what 3 options are shown in addition to "custom" but you can't opt out of that part of the purchase process.
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2026, 12:30:45 PMThis 22% service charge is applied to all dine-in guest checks and is retained entirely by the house. Revenue from this service charge is used to pay operating expenses, including labor...50% of the service charge provides additional hourly earnings directly to hourly staff: Front-of-house staff earn an additional $10–$30/hour, and back-of-house staff earn an additional $8–$20/hour....
So...50% of this service charge -- which is retained by entirely by the house -- does not go to the staff? Is that what they're saying? If so, just raise the prices. I don't like the idea of hiding operating expenses - which should be reflected in prices - in a "service charge".
Quote from: forgetful on June 10, 2026, 10:56:04 AMSince back of house staff (cooks etc.) often receive part of their wages from tip pooling, and they still had to work equally hard for my meal, I usually do, but it is generally a bit less 10-15%.
That's where I land. Usually 15% unless it was an unexpectedly long time for the food to be ready, or I had to wait because the estimated time was a lot longer. Then 10%.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 10, 2026, 02:12:33 PMSo...50% of this service charge -- which is retained by entirely by the house -- does not go to the staff? Is that what they're saying? If so, just raise the prices. I don't like the idea of hiding operating expenses - which should be reflected in prices - in a "service charge".
If you continue to read, I believe they are saying that at least a chunk of the other 50% goes toward benefits and toward higher salaries for non-servers. The rest, I assume, is for additional profits for the restaurant.
But yes, the whole thing is squirrelly. And it's not just this restaurant group with such a policy.
Going out to eat at decent to nice restaurants has gotten pricey everywhere, and even moreso in major cities. Of course, we all have a choice - just eat at home. Which my wife and I do most of the time. But we do like going out, and we have the money to do it, so we know before we walk in the restaurant door that we're gonna pay big bucks.
So it's not a matter of "we can't afford" giving tips above and beyond the high menu prices to support higher wages and the mandatory surcharges; if we couldn't afford it, we'd stop going out altogether. It's a matter of principle, a matter of "when is the tipping culture all getting to be too much?"
I agree with those who say that the tipping culture is out of hand.
I have always been a pretty good tipper. I waited tables for a while when younger, so I genuinely appreciate service and always tip. Unless something goes really wrong, I tip a bit over 20%. I mentally round up the dollar amount on the bill, roughly calculate 20% of that rounded number, and then just round again to the next dollar (e.g., $63.79 bill would be rounded to $64, 20% is $12.80, so I'll tip at least $13 - and maybe round up to $14 or $15 or more for really good service). That's just a convenient way for me to calculate the tip without having to involve pennies in the math but still make sure I'm north of 20%. I'm sympathetic to servers, so they have to be pretty aggressively bad to get less than 20% from me.
I don't tip in traditional fast food restaurants (e.g., Arby's, Taco Bell, etc.). I usually don't tip in fast casual restaurants (e.g., Chipotle), but I will make an exception for really good service. I usually tip a buck or two in coffee or ice cream shops. I'm not honestly sure why I draw the line there -- probably has something to do with the fact that a couple of my kids worked at an ice cream shop. I typically also will tip a dollar or two for take out if they've bagged it up and dropped in napkins, plastic ware, etc. (although I rarely order take-out).
I have an ongoing [dad] joke with my kids whenever a cashier turns the screen around and says, "It's going to ask you a couple of questions." I usually ask whoever I'm with, "Oh...I wonder if it's going to be the tip question again. It is!" I hate those screens. I still feel guilty when I say "no tip".
I find the current trend of restaurants adding "service fees" that they specifically state are not going to servers to be extremely annoying and cowardly. If I'm at your restaurant, you're going to prepare my food and serve it to me. That's the service; the menu price should reflect that service. I'll gladly provide a separate "service fee" to your employee in the form of a tip. The restaurant owners need to have the balls to price their food appropriately - don't give me artificially low price on the menu and then try to cover your costs with a bogus "service fee".
What are you cheapskates doing for DoorDash tips?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 10, 2026, 03:11:57 PMI find the current trend of restaurants adding "service fees" that they specifically state are not going to servers to be extremely annoying and cowardly. If I'm at your restaurant, you're going to prepare my food and serve it to me. That's the service; the menu price should reflect that service. I'll gladly provide a separate "service fee" to your employee in the form of a tip. The restaurant owners need to have the balls to price their food appropriately - don't give me artificially low price on the menu and then try to cover your costs with a bogus "service fee".
Yup yup yup.
I like tipping. It allows me to lord my wealth over others, making the eyes of the working poor water in appreciation of my generosity.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 10, 2026, 03:24:12 PMWhat are you cheapskates doing for DoorDash tips?
I only eat food that I've obtained myself. This includes whale heads, raccoon penises, and an occasional bear cub carcass.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 10, 2026, 03:24:12 PMWhat are you cheapskates doing for DoorDash tips?
I grab the food out of their hands just as soon as I open the door and then slam it shut in their faces. lock the door and turn off the porch light. If they start to pound on the door and complain about no tip, I turn on my sprinkler system that is strategically placed to soak them if they stick around. If that doesn't work, I sic my pit bulls on them. After that, they are looking straight down the business end of my shotgun.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 09:04:56 PMIt's getting completely ridiculous. So if you go to a kiosk or snack stand at an airport, where there's a 100% surcharge on everything, we're also supposed to tip 18-25%? Just get rid of this nonsense.
It's only a few pennies
I always tipped carryout pre-covid at 10-12%.
I generally agree with JWags. I'm not fatigued by restaurants or bars, it's buying toothpaste or what have you.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 10, 2026, 03:40:02 PMI only eat food that I've obtained myself. This includes whale heads, raccoon penises, and an occasional bear cub carcass.
You should be banned.
The funny thing about service charges are that they came, in my opinion, from "No Tipping" land in Europe. It was basically the universal sign that it was a tourist trap sort of restaurant where they knew they could slap a charge onto bills cause Americans were used to extra fees on the bill and just milk additional profit from each check.
If restaurants want to go to a mandatory service fee each check that is spread to all staff, additional tip to that is optional, I'm ok with that. But the nebulous service charge thats added in addition to tip and tax? Nah, screw that.
And again, I'm sympathetic to restaurant owners cause its a BRUTAL business. Outside of restaurant groups and some established places that churn out cash, I know its incredibly touch and go, but just be honest and straight up. The check doesn't need to become even more convoluted. Uber Eats/DoorDash/GrubHub has that more than covered.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 10, 2026, 04:17:32 PMI always tipped carryout pre-covid at 10-12%.
I generally agree with JWags. I'm not fatigued by restaurants or bars, it's buying toothpaste or what have you.
Why would you ever tip for what can be described as a dentist appointment
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 10, 2026, 05:52:28 PMWhy would you ever tip for what can be described as a dentist appointment
You've never tipped for carry-out?
Dentists get paid very well and have a specialized skill.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 10, 2026, 07:14:01 PMYou've never tipped for carry-out?
Dentists get paid very well and have a specialized skill.
Is being scared of cities* a specialized skill now?
*non-white people
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 10, 2026, 07:17:31 PMIs being scared of cities* a specialized skill now?
*non-white people
Dentists can make a fortune.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 10, 2026, 07:19:49 PMDentists can make a fortune.
Especially when their dad gifts it to them.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 10, 2026, 03:24:12 PMWhat are you cheapskates doing for DoorDash tips?
I go like 20-25%. Meal delivery services feel kinda like any other delivery back in the day, which was always tip-dependent, so it's easy to tip well. Plus with the money I save drinking my own hootch, I still come out way ahead vs eating in.
Tho I will say, making you tip before the food is delivered is some real gunpoint ish.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 10, 2026, 07:22:01 PMEspecially when their dad gifts it to them.
They still have to be skilled. I don't get the dentist obsession in this thread.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 10, 2026, 07:22:53 PMTho I will say, making you tip before the food is delivered is some real gunpoint ish.
Agree - I wonder what % of people add an additional tip AFTER delivery? Gotta be like 0.2% aina? Maybe I'll ax AI.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 10, 2026, 07:19:49 PMDentists can make a fortune.
Usually through fraud and they have a lot of fraudsters in their ranks.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 10, 2026, 03:40:02 PMI only eat food that I've obtained myself. This includes whale heads, raccoon penises, and an occasional bear cub carcass.
I'd recommend manatee if you haven't had the opportunity. They were specifically created by god to be consumed.
No tip for takeout or counter service.
I now tip 15 percent generally instead of 20 because of no taxes on tips. Everyone should pay taxes.
I tip a higher percentage at less expensive places and my regular places. 30 percent vs 15 percent.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 11, 2026, 08:41:33 AMI'd recommend manatee if you haven't had the opportunity. They were specifically created by god to be consumed.
I wish I could eat manatee, but my cardiologist wants me to try to stay with the "Healthy Heart" diet, and manatee has such a high fat content that I have to abstain from it. There are a number of Healthy Heart diet lists out there and I have been trying to find one that includes ice cream, but so far? No luck at all.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 11, 2026, 03:52:23 PMI wish I could eat manatee, but my cardiologist wants me to try to stay with the "Healthy Heart" diet, and manatee has such a high fat content that I have to abstain from it. There are a number of Healthy Heart diet lists out there and I have been trying to find one that includes ice cream, but so far? No luck at all.
My understanding is that if you hit it with a boat propeller, you can cut through the fat and get right to the good stuff.
Quote from: Badgerhater on June 11, 2026, 02:59:10 PMI now tip 15 percent generally instead of 20 because of no taxes on tips. Everyone should pay taxes.
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Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 11, 2026, 08:41:33 AMI'd recommend manatee if you haven't had the opportunity. They were specifically created by god to be consumed.
This is ignominious and beyond unacceptable. The world would be peaceful if everyone had the temperament of manatees. Those that defile or tarnish the greatness of these marine mammals should be reprimanded quite harshly.
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 11, 2026, 06:44:58 PM👀
And?
I've observed that most people don't tip as well as they say they do.
Quote from: Badgerhater on June 12, 2026, 10:31:43 AMAnd?
I've observed that most people don't tip as well as they say they do.
And it means you don't understand the details behind "no tax on tips" legislation and you're ridiculous for trying to punish working class Americans.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 10, 2026, 07:31:07 PMThey still have to be skilled. I don't get the dentist obsession in this thread.
I can buy a drill I know how to use at Home Depot. I'm not going around claiming I'm a "doctor" by doing that though
Like "no tax on Social Security," "no tax on tips" doesn't really mean what the politicians who pushed it say it means.
Only the first $25K in tips can be deducted from a worker's income. Lots of servers at good restaurants earn considerably more than that and are taxed fully on $25,001+. Also, all tip income is still subject to FICA and, in many states, state income taxes.
Social Security is not tax free at all to those age 62-64, nor to those with $75K in income (150K for MFJ). It's just a $6K deduction ($12K for MFJ) for those 65+, even those who aren't receiving SS, as long as they don't make too much.
Quote from: MU82 on June 12, 2026, 06:46:26 PMLike "no tax on Social Security," "no tax on tips" doesn't really mean what the politicians who pushed it say it means.
Only the first $25K in tips can be deducted from a worker's income. Lots of servers at good restaurants earn considerably more than that and are taxed fully on $25,001+. Also, all tip income is still subject to FICA and, in many states, state income taxes.
Social Security is not tax free at all to those age 62-64, nor to those with $75K in income (150K) for couples. All it is is a deduction for those 65+, even those who aren't receiving SS, as long as they don't make too much.
Not to mention most service sector workers who work in tip jobs will not claim "no tax on tips" as they make too little and the standard deduction is better for them
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 12, 2026, 08:27:47 PMNot to mention most service sector workers who work in tip jobs will not claim "no tax on tips" as they make too little and the standard deduction is better for them
But I'll give the WH occupant credit for a good political maneuver. Most Dems have said they are in favor of keeping it going forward.
Quote from: MU82 on June 12, 2026, 06:46:26 PMOnly the first $25K in tips can be deducted from a worker's income. Lots of servers at good restaurants earn considerably more than that and are taxed fully on $25,001+. Also, all tip income is still subject to FICA and, in many states, state income taxes.
Correct. Put a better way, the "no tax on tips" means no FEDERAL IMCOME TAX. So, gig worker ubering or delivering still is subject to SE PR taxes (eg, 15.3%) up to the max, and state taxes.
It's cool, but not as meaningful as other things.
I still tip with cash whenever possible.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on June 12, 2026, 11:08:15 PMI still tip with cash whenever possible.
Surprised you can figure out how to post on this website.
Cash is nasty — "elimination" of pennies is a great step, but more needs to be done.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on June 12, 2026, 11:08:15 PMI still tip with cash whenever possible.
Back when most customers tipped with cash, there really was no tax on tips. Because the government can't tax what's not reported!
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 13, 2026, 06:18:35 AMSurprised you can figure out how to post on this website.
Cash is nasty — "elimination" of pennies is a great step, but more needs to be done.
You do know that they have to report their tips and then take a tax credit for there to be "no tax on tips"? Not everyone can itemize that to reclaim it so if I give them cash they are grateful. Try it yourself sometime. Others have mentioned the additional taxes besides Federal.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on June 13, 2026, 10:38:23 AMYou do know that they have to report their tips and then take a tax credit for there to be "no tax on tips"? Not everyone can itemize that to reclaim it so if I give them cash they are grateful. Try it yourself sometime. Others have mentioned the additional taxes besides Federal.
That's tax fraud. Shame!
I stick to the old rule... If'm I'm standing up when I pay, there's no tip. That means no at coffee shops, ice cream parlor, food trucks, etc. I tip well at restaurants and barber shop. I tip the pianist or whatever musician is playing to entertain the guests. I tip delivery drivers a little... 10%. I tip Uber 10%. When it's one of those machines, I ask the server - "if I tip this way, do you get it"? No fatigue here... my wife and I just stick to these rules!