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Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 05, 2026, 08:11:00 AMAfter watching the most recent episode, it raised a question in my mind: why isn't Diego Luna on the roster? Like I said...I don't follow that closely, so I honestly don't know. He seemed like he was pretty solid in Gold Cup matches.

Quote from: cheebs09 on June 05, 2026, 09:46:46 AMI haven't been this meh about a World Cup in awhile, so I know little about the US team. What are our expectations? Get out of the group and maybe win one game from there?

Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2026, 10:09:54 AMThe concept of COLE was pretty much invented by followers of the US men's World Cup team.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 05, 2026, 10:16:03 AMDon't worry. Help is on the way.

https://bsky.app/profile/johnspacemuller.com/post/3mnfojrt5622d

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 05, 2026, 10:12:13 AMDiego Luna just isn't quite good enough.  Besides, the bottom 5-8 players will never play any meaningful minutes anyway. So, even if he made the roster, Luna wouldn't really be a factor.

Roldan probably won't play much either, but he's an older player with great intangibles that also made the 2022 World Cup roster.

Adams, McKennie, Tillman, Reyna, Berhalter, and Aaronson can all play centrally.  So, I think midfield depth is ok, even though I would have preferred Tanner Tessman over a 5th CB like Miles Robinson. But Tessman suffered an injury that must have made his availability uncertain.

Quote from: pbiflyer on June 05, 2026, 08:40:01 AM$350 for nosebleeds at bad games in Miami, $1000 for nosebleeds for good games.
Parking over $100, Uber rumored to be similar.
Will watch on TV at a bar. Okay, will drink at a bar while some of the games are on.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2026, 12:58:08 PMI don't follow this stuff closely, but why did the world cup eschew the Midwest for venues? I remember soccer being popular in Chicago and Milwaukee, so from this uneducated guy it seems odd to not have games in the Midwest. Or do cities view this like the Olympics, and think the juice isn't worth the squeeze?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2026, 12:58:08 PMI don't follow this stuff closely, but why did the world cup eschew the Midwest for venues? I remember soccer being popular in Chicago and Milwaukee, so from this uneducated guy it seems odd to not have games in the Midwest. Or do cities view this like the Olympics, and think the juice isn't worth the squeeze?

Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 05, 2026, 01:27:36 PMBecause the FIFA only cares about doing the wrong thing all the time.

Quote from: cheebs09 on June 05, 2026, 09:46:46 AMI haven't been this meh about a World Cup in awhile, so I know little about the US team. What are our expectations? Get out of the group and maybe win one game from there?

Quote from: Jockey on June 05, 2026, 02:41:16 PMThe Americans look like a bunch of young kids chasing the ball everywhere it goes.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2026, 12:58:08 PMI don't follow this stuff closely, but why did the world cup eschew the Midwest for venues? I remember soccer being popular in Chicago and Milwaukee, so from this uneducated guy it seems odd to not have games in the Midwest. Or do cities view this like the Olympics, and think the juice isn't worth the squeeze?

Quote from: Jockey on June 05, 2026, 02:41:16 PMThe Americans look like a bunch of young kids chasing the ball everywhere it goes.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2026, 12:58:08 PMI don't follow this stuff closely, but why did the world cup eschew the Midwest for venues? I remember soccer being popular in Chicago and Milwaukee, so from this uneducated guy it seems odd to not have games in the Midwest. Or do cities view this like the Olympics, and think the juice isn't worth the squeeze?

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 05, 2026, 04:56:41 PMAny cool diminutive players to root for besides Messi?

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 05, 2026, 04:56:41 PMAny cool diminutive players to root for besides Messi?

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 05, 2026, 05:13:56 PMNo, this is the first World Cup that has a minimum height requirement of 5'8". Otherwise they rightfully send them to the U18 teams

Quote from: JWags85 on June 05, 2026, 03:16:46 PMThis looks like a tweet written by a 60 something British guy who hasn't watched international football outside of the Three Lions in decades.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 06, 2026, 02:16:33 PMHoly sh*t. Now THAT'S a goal.

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 06, 2026, 07:40:44 PMThis US team better score a ton because I don't think this defense is gonna be impressive and Tim Howard isn't standing in the back

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2026, 04:32:04 PMAnother embarrassing day for the troops from American athletes

Quote from: Pakuni on June 07, 2026, 01:50:14 PMNothing worse than losing to our greatest enemy.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 08, 2026, 03:34:27 PMWelcome to America!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/worldcup/2026/06/08/somalia-referee-omar-artan-denied-entry-usa/90459881007/

Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2026, 04:48:12 PMAmerica is an international embarrassment.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 08, 2026, 03:46:23 PMAnother big win for America!

Quote from: Pakuni on June 08, 2026, 05:44:14 PMHe was coming here to open a fraudulent daycare center.
               - Fox News, probably

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 08, 2026, 05:47:52 PMI assumed it was fear that he might eat the cats and dogs

Quote from: panda on June 06, 2026, 09:35:02 AMhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IyZ1WIua_1s

Kings stay kings. Phenomenal commercial

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 12, 2026, 06:07:08 PMDo you think Lallas sees himself on the same legendary level as zlatan and Henry

Quote from: Its DJOver on June 12, 2026, 07:38:09 PMFreeman with the start, thinks it'll be more of a 4-2-3-1 with the ball with Dest pushing up.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 12, 2026, 10:51:27 PMHow good is Paraguay?

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 12, 2026, 10:51:27 PMHow good is Paraguay?

Quote from: Its DJOver on June 13, 2026, 09:13:44 AMSpecial shoutout to VAR "mistaken identity" last night. Exactly what VAR should be. 10/10 no notes.

Quote from: MU82 on June 15, 2026, 09:02:45 AMA World Cup referee has been accused of making a "White power" hand gesture when match coverage cut to the video referee studio during Germany's 7-1 victory over Curaçao on Sunday.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7361130/2026/06/14/shaun-evans-white-power-fifa-world-cup/

The gesture, in which the thumb and index finger touch while the other fingers of the hand are held outstretched, has historically been perceived as meaning OK. However, in recent years, it has been used to symbolize White power, with the three remaining fingers spelling W for White and the thumb and index finger enabling a P to be drawn for Power.

The Australian White supremacist Brenton Tarrant made the symbol during a 2019 courtroom appearance following his arrest for murdering 50 people in a shooting at mosques in New Zealand.

Australian referee Shaun Evans appeared to place his hand into the position Sunday when the cameras cut to the studio.

A FIFA spokesperson said the organization was aware of the incident but declined to comment further. The Athletic also extended the right of reply to the official via FIFA.

The anti-discrimination Fare network, which specializes in challenging inequalities in football, released a statement on Sunday night. It said: "Advice from our experts is that the gesture used clearly resembles an upside down 'OK' hand symbol used as a 'White power' symbol in global far-right circles.

"A global television audience should not be subjected to extremist far right individuals using neo-Nazi symbols as they prepare to watch a match. Clearly this official should have no further role to play in this World Cup."

Quote from: noblewarrior on June 15, 2026, 10:14:14 AMhttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/b4/31/75/b43175f66014db1168d3960b55759162.jpg

Made you look... you deserve a punch in the shoulder for promoting this BS.  FFS.

https://www.ranker.com/list/story-behind-circle-game/donn-saylor

https://www.dictionary.com/culture/slang/circle-game

QuoteWhile the "OK" hand gesture has many long-standing, harmless meanings, it was co-opted as a white supremacist symbol in the late 2010s, including in its emoji form, the OK Hand Sign emoji 👌. One should be mindful of context when deciding to use this gesture and emoji as part of the Circle Game.

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 15, 2026, 10:18:19 AMFrom your own link:

Quote from: JWags85 on June 15, 2026, 08:29:53 PMToday was a perfect example of why people scoffing and downplaying the US performance against Paraguay were either dopes or haters. 

The second best team in the world couldn't find a goal against a Cape Verde squad who has 1, just a single player, in the top 5 European leagues (and he didn't even play!) and only 2 guys in the Primeira Liga in Portugal, despite most players being raised there.  Their hero was a 40 year old goalie who has never even been good enough to be a Primeira Liga roster. Their coach isn't even a European mercenary, he's a local guy who has spent his career coaching semi-pro clubs in Cape Verde.

And the match right after that, perennial dark horse contender Belgium, with a roster of Champions League experienced attackers and wingers, could only muster an own goal to pull out a draw with Egypt, a national team that has never won a World Cup match.

So yea, the US firing 4 past a Paraguayan team, that prides itself on being stingy defensively, in their opening match isn't to be downplayed.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 15, 2026, 06:17:43 PMTy Cape Verde.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2026, 06:55:48 AMGood.  I hate Spain and hope Russia annexes them.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 16, 2026, 07:15:43 AMOnly I should decide which countries to annex. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 15, 2026, 08:57:49 PMCape Verde has a tiny population btw. 

Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2026, 12:03:21 PMSorry for my post about the gesture. I should have looked into it more. Articles today said it was just a "twitch," and he has been cleared by FIFA.

This is a disturbing story, though ...

INGLEWOOD, Calif. (AP) — The coach of Iran's World Cup team said it was ordered to leave the U.S. and return to its training base in Mexico only a few hours after opening its politically charged tournament by playing to a 2-2 draw with New Zealand on Monday night.

Coach Amir Ghalenoei didn't say who ordered the Iranians to leave earlier than planned. The team had expected to spend the night in California to maximize the normal recovery process after its opening game, only to be told after the match that everyone must immediately get on a plane for the 140-mile trip back to Tijuana.

"They didn't even give us time to recover," Ghalenoei said through an interpreter. "After the game today, they said to us, 'You have to leave immediately.' It's very important for us to have time for recovery, (but) we are asked to get on a plane and return to our camp in Tijuana, and we are really troubled by that."

https://apnews.com/article/world-cup-iran-new-zealand-score-314655749d94fe577bb2b52ebd6b32c4?

Quote from: The Sultan on June 16, 2026, 12:43:14 PMI don't know why this is a story. They came in the night before, slept at a hotel, and then were always going to leave after the match to fly on a charter back to Mexico. That was agreed upon by the United States, Iran and FIFA over a week ago. Other teams have done similar. (The Czech team flew back to Dallas from Guadalajara immediately after their game v. South Korea.)

So either no one told the team...OR the team is playing dumb for PR points.

Quote from: BM1090 on June 16, 2026, 12:44:29 PMThey were told they could spend the night after the game and leave in the morning, only to have the plans changed at the last second.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 16, 2026, 12:46:08 PMAccording to whom? Because there has been misinformation about this, mostly coming from Iran, since they relocated their base to Mexico.

For instance, the Iranian ambassdor to Mexico made the claim at the time that the U.S. was making them fly in the morning of the games and fly out afterwards. Which was false.

Furthermore, the fact that they moved their base to Mexico in the first place was due to the U.S. denying visas to "staff" members who were members of the Republican Guard who wanted to prevent asylum seakers like they saw with the women's team in Austrailia earlier this year. Mexico granted those visas.

Look, I don't like this administration at all, but it's pretty clear that Iran has been using the WC to manipulate public opinion.

Quote from: BM1090 on June 16, 2026, 01:35:55 PMA couple of articles I read in the athletic yesterday. I suppose they could have been duped by the PR though.

I don't really care about the "rest" factor. Plenty of time to recover. But if they were told one thing and then disrupted last minute, that's crapty.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 16, 2026, 07:37:56 PMMessi is VERY cool.  He's really easy to root for despite the fact that he's getting old for soccer. 

Quote from: pbiflyer on June 16, 2026, 09:34:26 PMWe've been lucky down here in South Florida to watch him. Even at his advanced day to see how much better he is than the average soccer player in America.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 16, 2026, 07:37:56 PMMessi is VERY cool.  He's really easy to root for despite the fact that he's getting old for soccer. 

Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 17, 2026, 07:26:33 AMI was really happy to have a chance to see Messi play last year in Cleveland against the Crew. I figured that if I had a chance to see the GOAT play, I had to take it. I hoped to see him score, but his only shot was just wide to the left. It was interesting seeing how he seemed to just observe the game at his own pace (i.e., mostly walk), but then come to life and make plays.

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 17, 2026, 07:10:20 AMWatching Messi last night felt like watching late years Jordan with the Bulls. Just feel lucky to be alive at the same time as the true GOAT of the sport.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 17, 2026, 09:40:26 AMFor many years, I took Renaldo in the Messi/Renaldo "GOAT" debate, especially after Portugal's EURO title in 2016. 2022 changed my mind.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 16, 2026, 02:51:23 PMFrance clearly felt jealous of all the press that Spain got for their opening match performance...bout to drop an xG of under 0.05 in the first half. Senegal isn't a minnow but France has looked completely toothless

Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 17, 2026, 01:13:03 PMI would say they seemed 'confident'.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 17, 2026, 03:55:48 PMIt's really too bad that Fox thinks that's what the World Cup broadcast needs. It clearly doesn't.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 17, 2026, 04:21:44 PMEh, depends.  It makes for entertaining TV, but the European snark directed at Lalas does come off mean at times.  But Lalas is a great target for it, and takes it in stride (mostly).

Quote from: The Sultan on June 17, 2026, 04:25:48 PMI just prefer something along the lines of NBC's PL coverage than more hot takes.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 17, 2026, 03:55:48 PMIt's really too bad that Fox thinks that's what the World Cup broadcast needs. It clearly doesn't.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 17, 2026, 04:25:48 PMI just prefer something along the lines of NBC's PL coverage than more hot takes.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 17, 2026, 04:45:05 PMYes and no.  I mean, it's not like they picked a bunch of randoms to create a hot take factory. They are using their established/in house talent.  If if you hate Lalas, he's been their lead soccer analyst for a decade plus, he was always gonna be the main studio guy.

Henry has done US media off and on for awhile and he's the biggest name for CBS' Champions League studio show which LEGITIMATELY compares to prime era Inside the NBA as an incredible studio show with unreal chemistry. Henry, beyond being a huge name, is a fantastic analyst.  He reminds me of A Rod in someone who was such a naturally gifted player yet is able to articulate nuances of the game in a simple, digestible, and compelling way.

And Zlatan is Zlatan.  For all his ego, I've always found his bluntness and lack of sugar coating to be pretty effective in breaking down the game from a player/psychology perspective.  You don't want him doing color, but I think he's great in studio.

So I don't think they put the studio team together hoping/expecting a contentious ego drama fest, but it's happened.  And at the end of the day, regardless of focus, it needs to be watchable and entertaining, and I think it is.

I mean, if you want the alternative, ESPN FC and their coverage is pretty devoid of big names and tries to be more "soccer purist" focused...and I frankly think it usually stinks.  And then they try to get punchy for clicks, like Grella's statement about the US destroying Australia, and they look like idiots.

Also, FWIW, Lalas was actually quoting something Landon Donovan said in game.  You want a disaster, imagine if they had put Donovan in Lalas' place.  Zlatan would still think he was a joke (especially given Donovan's awful commentary lately) and Donovan wouldn't be able to take it, because like Hard's said, Lalas is at least aware of the game and his role

Quote from: Its DJOver on June 17, 2026, 09:15:11 AMWas able to see him at the 2016 Copa America in Chicago. Yea, it was against a not great Panama side that were playing with 10, but seeing him get subbed on when it was still only 1-0 and casually score a hat trick in a half hour just put into perspective how much of a cheat code he is.

Quote from: Its DJOver on June 17, 2026, 09:15:11 AMWas able to see him at the 2016 Copa America in Chicago. Yea, it was against a not great Panama side that were playing with 10, but seeing him get subbed on when it was still only 1-0 and casually score a hat trick in a half hour just put into perspective how much of a cheat code he is.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2026, 09:22:42 PMAny concerns with Australia? 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2026, 09:22:42 PMAny concerns with Australia? 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2026, 09:22:42 PMAny concerns with Australia? 

Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 18, 2026, 10:22:49 PMThey call themselves the Socceroos

Quote from: JWags85 on June 19, 2026, 01:20:03 PMPulisic ruled out against Australia this afternoon.  Hoping its further precautionary since the US will still be favored against the Aussies and are in a VERY likely position to advance given their opening result...and not bad flair up of a previous/existing injury.  He's had a fairly healthy 2026, so that gives me some optimism.

Pepi starting up top with Balogun will be interesting.  They played that kind of fluid pentagon/4-2-3-1 against Paraguay with Balogun on top and the midfield shifting and moving around depending on the runs from Dest or Tillman.  Now, I'd assume it will be more of a 2 up top, diamond in the middle (McKennie in the attacking CM role and Adams more deep lying) with Tillman and Dest on the wings outside of them?

Either way, I think it will still be an exciting/attacking formation and press.  Pepi wasn't great in limited time against either Paraguay or Germany, but he didn't really have much in terms of minutes to get going.  He was much better in the warm up against Senegal last month and the other significant USMNT minutes against Belgium in March.

That being said, he was absolutely SCORCHING for PSV to end the year.  6 goals in his last 5 matches, 2 of those matches were against Ajax and Twente (top 4 clubs in the Eredivisise this year) and he had a brace in another match against a top half club.  So I'm still high on him and hope he shows it today

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 19, 2026, 02:47:41 PMPackers are finally avenged at Lumen Field

Quote from: panda on June 19, 2026, 01:47:09 PMI never thought poch would play them together but here we are. Pepi drops deeper into play while balogun likes to play off the back line. I think they'll link up well together allowing for play to flow down the channels. 3-1 USA

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 19, 2026, 04:06:20 PMRussell Crowe is way better of a coach than Berhalter.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 19, 2026, 06:04:59 PMSo realistically what is our ceiling?  E8? 

Quote from: The Sultan on June 19, 2026, 06:18:28 PMIf everything holds to form, assuming they win the group and win the R32 game, they would likely play Belgium in R16. They would have a punchers chance there.

Then they would likely play Spain in R8. That would likely be where it ends.

But there are a lot of games left to be played.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 19, 2026, 03:16:40 PMSensational, well played.

Now that we have a 3rd half of soccer at this WC, one with a completely different look absent the US's star, who was, regardless of how you feel about his reputation/performances/role, the total engine and catalyst for their relentless attack in the first match...I'm incredibly impressed with Pochettino.  And its kind of relieving and refreshing to realize, in retrospect, that he was messing around and experimenting A LOT that first year and change after got the job.  Additionally, he was placating MLS brass with call ups/roster placements, also a relief...assuming Robinson, Roldan, and Arfsten remain nailed to the bench.  Still worried with some of the depth in the midfield as I was when the roster was announced, but watching his formations and how he's shaped/shifted, I'm feeling more comfortable.

Would love to see Balo get another.  He's been one of the breakout players of the tourney so far and he's growing so much in confidence.  Would love to see him translate this into a move to one of the CL clubs in the Bundesliga or EPL (provided the fit is right)

Quote from: panda on June 19, 2026, 08:35:05 PMPepi put in an absolute shift today.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 19, 2026, 08:51:13 PMWas at the game, and man Seattle is putting on a good event. Immaculate vibes, all the fans seemed happy, even Australians hanging out after to watch the games and hang out in the nice weather.

Unbelievable experience, and security being a well oiled machine also helped

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 19, 2026, 08:51:13 PMWas at the game, and man Seattle is putting on a good event. Immaculate vibes, all the fans seemed happy, even Australians hanging out after to watch the games and hang out in the nice weather.

Unbelievable experience, and security being a well oiled machine also helped

Quote from: wadesworld on June 19, 2026, 08:58:00 PMHoping for the same in KC next week but the reports from the first game, at least from a transportation standpoint, and weather forecasts don't instill a lot of confidence in that.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 19, 2026, 08:51:13 PMWas at the game, and man Seattle is putting on a good event. Immaculate vibes, all the fans seemed happy, even Australians hanging out after to watch the games and hang out in the nice weather.

Unbelievable experience, and security being a well oiled machine also helped

Quote from: panda on June 19, 2026, 08:35:05 PMPepi put in an absolute shift today.

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 19, 2026, 08:50:19 PMTMI

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 20, 2026, 07:13:35 AMWhat was the Australian coach bitching about?  It looked like a clear 2nd goal to me on replay.

• 6/25 - Türkiye
• 7/1 - Round of 32
• 7/6 - Round of 16
• 7/10 - Quarterfinals
• 7/14 - Semifinals
• 7/18 - Third Place Game
• 7/19 - Final

Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2026, 11:16:06 PMNot to excuse Almiron, but that's quite likely the dumbest rule in sports.

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 20, 2026, 09:00:35 AMGreat performance yesterday. If the Aussies don't put in the own goal, Pepi would've finished it. And the header was clearly the right call. Balogun was off, but once the ball deflected he was never in position to impede the keeper. Those are just sour grapes calls.

Incredible to have the group secured already. This means we already know the USA path and all possible dates between now and the final:

• 6/25 - Türkiye
• 7/1 - Round of 32
• 7/6 - Round of 16
• 7/10 - Quarterfinals
• 7/14 - Semifinals
• 7/18 - Third Place Game
• 7/19 - Final

At least 10 more days to dream, and staying on the West Coast until the semis is an advantage. Also means we can sit down anyone with an injury or yellow against Türkiye. That'll clear cards and put us at full strength for the knockouts.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 20, 2026, 08:04:57 AMI wish we got more crowds noise from the broadcast but even on TV the place looked like it was rocking. World Cup is pretty much the only time I tune in and really just USA games but I wish I was there.

Credit to Fox they kept the broadcast on the stadium post match and the announcers kept their mouths shut while we got to enjoy listening to the stadium belt out Country Roads.

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 20, 2026, 09:33:47 AMSit every starter except Freese

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 20, 2026, 09:00:35 AMGreat performance yesterday. If the Aussies don't put in the own goal, Pepi would've finished it. And the header was clearly the right call. Balogun was off, but once the ball deflected he was never in position to impede the keeper. Those are just sour grapes calls.

Incredible to have the group secured already. This means we already know the USA path and all possible dates between now and the final:

• 6/25 - Türkiye - LA
• 7/1 - Round of 32 - Santa Clara
• 7/6 - Round of 16 - Seattle
• 7/10 - Quarterfinals - LA
• 7/14 - Semifinals - Arlington
• 7/18 - Third Place Game - Miami
• 7/19 - Final - NY

At least 10 more days to dream, and staying on the West Coast until the semis is an advantage. Also means we can sit down anyone with an injury or yellow against Türkiye. That'll clear cards and put us at full strength for the knockouts.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 20, 2026, 07:05:06 AMKansas City is fun and cool. Arrowhead is a dump and in a terrible location with sketchy transportation. If you are patient and give yourself enough time, you will be fine.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 21, 2026, 01:26:45 PMThe Guardian accurately rips Alexi to shreds.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/jun/21/thierry-henry-alexi-lalas-fox-world-cup

Quote from: JWags85 on June 21, 2026, 02:45:25 PMIdk, Lalas is far from immune to criticism and nobody is confusing him for an elite analyst, but that was frankly an obnoxious article dripping with Eurosnobbery and condescension written by a writer who LOVES the sound of his own voice.  The first half of the article basically hates on Lalas for being an American who dares to speak about soccer while not being an all time great and then slobbers all over Henry to an embarrassing extent (that breathless retelling for Henry messing around with the dribble in studio was particularly pathetic.  It was a funny moment in a very entertaining sequence with Zlatan, not some grand metaphorical dismembering).  And again, I love Henry as an analyst and TV personality and raved about him multiple times here, so I have no problem with people given him well deserved praise.  But not when it's just cause he's some suave cultured European, not some "hurr durr American no talk soccer only know finance bro work".

He hated Lalas, I'm sure not in small part due to his political leanings (as he made obvious within the first paragraph), well before this coverage ever started and nothing he said in the studio would change that.  The actual critique of Lalas's actual work so far is so minor.  A lot of it is him daring to cater his commentary and viewpoint to an American audience...on an American broadcast for a World Cup on American soil. 

Also, I found it amusing he mentioned Dempsey, cause there is ZERO chance that Dempsey's swagger, cockiness, and genuine LOVE for US soccer...not to mention his rough and slang filled way of speaking  is also a complete contrast to (insert one of his fawning paragraphs describing Titi)...would not be met with the same level of disgust or American-derived resentment if Dempsey was in studio instead.

I've not looked at the writer's past Tweets or articles, but I'd be willing to wager a fair sum that he was one of the types of Europeans I mentioned who was horrified that the WC was in the US and felt it would be one of the worst WCs EVER, and now that it's been largely successful, entertaining, and full of vibes...focusing on Lalas was one of the few complaint angles he could muster so far. It's less of a defense of Lalas and his performance and more that this writer is clearly a jagoff.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 21, 2026, 05:25:50 PMThe writer is an American based in the United States. And he is 100% right about Lalas.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 21, 2026, 07:08:00 PMIf Cape Verde beats Saudi, they are in the knockout rounds. They can still get in with a draw if Spain beats Uruguay. That's pretty incredible.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 21, 2026, 07:13:05 PMNope, he's Australian.  So I was a bit off in origin, but not off on sentiment, especially after what we heard from Down Under leading up to the match on Friday.  And after a cursory glance through his previous work, it's filled with shots at American sports fans and a lot of "this is why this sports thing is bad" articles on sports culture.

You hate the Fox studio show, so of course you have no issue with his angle, that's not surprising.

I stand by what I said.  It was clearly a pre-cooked article from before the WC began peppered with a few minor examples from the week to make whatever points he had.  Of all the stuff to comment on from the first 10 days of the WC, griping about Lalas and the Fox coverage is so laughably low on the list unless it was a pre-conceived grievance. Lalas hasn't been great, but he hasn't been offensive, he hasn't unnatural carnal knowledgeed up a bunch of names/players/etc..., and it's overall been fine, not taking anything away from or negatively impacting coverage or the viewing experience.  It's just a lazy story idea to appeal to people who already don't like Lalas and allow him to write overly indulgent flowery paragraphs about "Lalas Bad Henry So Good" with nothing otherwise new.

Funny enough, Lalas had a legitimately clever burn tonight on Zlatan looking like he's dressed for Fantasy Island that made Henry stop dead in thought and turn to give him props. A Pyrrhic victory in banter

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 22, 2026, 06:56:57 PMI apologize to Lionel Messi for thinking he was getting old. 

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 22, 2026, 10:09:37 PMHe's almost good enough to excuse him for being short

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 23, 2026, 01:34:42 PMThank you Uzbekistan for facilitating a sex pest make a wish game.

Quote from: pbiflyer on June 23, 2026, 02:44:30 PMCould someone translate that into English?

Quote from: pbiflyer on June 23, 2026, 02:44:30 PMCould someone translate that into English?

Quote from: pbiflyer on June 23, 2026, 10:14:34 PMGive that announcer a raise!

.@JohnStrong called it on Fox as the England/Ghana match started...."As we know the English historically struggle here in Massachusetts."

https://x.com/wutangkids/status/2069541530503713120?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 25, 2026, 07:55:58 PMHow would you compare Maradona to Messi from an overall skill standpoint?  From what I've read Diego was more electric but Lionel is far more consistent.  I didn't realize Maradona was only 5'5. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 25, 2026, 07:55:58 PMHow would you compare Maradona to Messi from an overall skill standpoint?  From what I've read Diego was more electric but Lionel is far more consistent.  I didn't realize Maradona was only 5'5. 

Quote from: Its DJOver on June 24, 2026, 07:24:35 PMAlmost locked into Bosnia in the R32. Next thing to watch is the group G matches on Friday, they haven't looked great but it would still be nice for Belgium to not win the group, in which case it would either be Egypt, Iran (which would be hilarious btw) or a third place finisher in the R16. Has never been a better path.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 25, 2026, 08:38:31 PMBoth too short to be very good at anything.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 25, 2026, 11:02:48 PMThat sucked.  Even though it means nothing. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 25, 2026, 11:02:48 PMThat sucked.  Even though it means nothing. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 25, 2026, 08:57:02 PMThis is another unprovoked attack on our smaller citizens. 

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 26, 2026, 09:49:56 AMWe have a 5-point plan for them

Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on June 26, 2026, 07:35:22 AMAbsolute gut punch, Muggs. Game started at 4am here in the Adriatic, and it was difficult to see the last touch end the fight. USA was much better in 2H, Pulisic changes the entire shape and flow of the game. I'm in the camp that it did matter to win, but I understand the black and white in me says it didn't. I'm very positive on the boys, and I think this experience pays dividends later in the tourney. Someone we don't expect will make a tourney changing play.

Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on June 26, 2026, 07:35:22 AMAs an aside, Gio could never see the pitch again for country, and I wouldn't lose sleep. Also, Berhalter makes things happen. C'mon boys!

Quote from: The Sultan on June 26, 2026, 05:24:23 PMPoch is absolutely right to be annoyed with the American press. The outcome of last night's game was meaningless. Small time thinking by the journalists in that room.

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 26, 2026, 09:49:56 AMWe have a 5-point plan for them

Quote from: Jockey on June 27, 2026, 03:00:14 PMIn other words,
Does the plan include deporting the littles and letting the Haitians stay?

Quote from: The Sultan on June 28, 2026, 04:41:20 AMMan the Asian teams really sucked. Nine teams qualified but seven eliminated in the group stage. Six didn't even win a game. And these were the legit best teams from Asia. There wasn't some powerhouse that didn't qualify.

Africa had ten teams qualify with only Tunisia not making the knockouts. And Nigeria and Cameroon didn't even make the tournament.

Quote from: panda on June 27, 2026, 07:55:15 PMYou Canadian?

Quote from: Pakuni on June 28, 2026, 12:42:17 PMAs is Uruguay.

The ugliness of Uruguay's 2026 World Cup elimination apparently goes well beyond the field.
The AUF, Uruguay's soccer federation, has canceled the charter flight set to take players from their base camp in Mexico back to their capital city of Montevideo, according to Uruguayan broadcaster Tenfield. Players will instead be left to take commercial flights either home or to vacations with their families.

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/world-cup-2026-uruguay-federation-reportedly-cancels-charter-flight-home-has-players-fly-commercial-after-elimination-231056137.html

Quote from: Jockey on June 28, 2026, 09:53:34 PMRooting for the Canucks. My daughter was best friends with the Canadian coach and his wife (then girlfriend) in high school. She and her boyfriend went to prom with them. So, it's nice to root for someone I have known.

Quote from: panda on June 29, 2026, 11:35:01 AMJesse marsch?? 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Quote from: Pakuni on June 29, 2026, 12:02:13 PMThat guy just drones on and on.

Quote from: panda on June 29, 2026, 11:35:01 AMJesse marsch?? 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Quote from: Jockey on June 29, 2026, 02:56:36 PMSorry. I thought you and Hards were the clowns.

Quote from: Jockey on June 29, 2026, 02:56:36 PMSorry. I thought you and Hards were the clowns.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 29, 2026, 02:59:41 PMSorry, dude is a butt hurt loser.  You may know him and like him, but that sorta tracks.

Quote from: panda on June 29, 2026, 04:04:27 PMI'm sure he's a nice guy/kind person in real life the way Craig Counsell is, but his public/professional persona is insufferable aka clown like.

Quote from: tower912 on June 29, 2026, 07:33:40 PMWrong thread

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 29, 2026, 11:08:32 PMDutch deserved to lose that one

Quote from: Pakuni on June 30, 2026, 11:03:27 AMFrance is a wagon, but dareisay that otherwise European football is looking overrated.

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 29, 2026, 11:08:32 PMDutch deserved to lose that one

Quote from: JWags85 on June 30, 2026, 11:19:34 AMKoeman is a joke. Tactics, formation, everything was pathetic. I saw a tweet that said the Dutch have had 0 wins, 6 draws, and 8 losses against top 25 sides with him in charge.

Zlatan savaged him in the break before PKs and for good reason. Basically said, paraphrasing, all he's ever known from Dutch soccer, both playing at Ajax and internationally against them, is that they have an attacking mentality. Fearless, throwing men forward, it's their identity, and Koeman abandoned it. Even if they advance, they are hopeless unless they remember their identity.

Henry then accurately called out the 5-4-1 formation they came out in was very defensive and fearful. Just absurd. Especially since they were gelling so well on offense in the group stage and Morocco struggled getting going offensively.

Also, not for nothing, Koeman subbed off Gakpo and De Jong in the final 10 min, after subbing off Brobbey in the 72nd and Graverberch in the 87th, so that's why the PK lineup featured a bunch of inexperienced head scratching choices, multiple guys taking their first penalties in a Dutch kit.  So with an extremely defensive and shell mindset, presumably looking towards penalties, you take off 3 of your best and most experienced players plus Brobbey, who had been in exceptional form.  Just baffling man management after a blinder of a tactical failing.

Also, while not directly an error in the game management, what a mismatch in keepers.  Bono was unreal, incredibly experienced, and in exceptional form.  Meanwhile, Verbruggen is...fine but seemed to be completely mentally toast after he fumbled the second PK into the net.  But a huge downgrade when for decades the Dutch had Van der Sar, Stecklenburg, Krul, and Cillisen, keepers who were elite and desired by the top clubs in the world (maybe not Krul, but he was an everyday PL keeper for a decade and considered one of the best penalty savers in the world)...to a guy who just became first choice keeper for Brighton last year (after being a backup in the Belgian league and splitting time with a journeyman early on), Flekken, who was a journeymany before getting some legs at Frieburg and Brentford, but certainly not an elite keeper, and Roefs from Sunderland who may turn out good but has just one cap and was only along for experience gaining.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 30, 2026, 11:35:25 AMI'm not sure I agree. 7 of 12 groups were won by a European squad.  13 out of 16 made it to the knockouts (and 11 of those were by virtue of the top 2 finish).

Germany was a huge upset, but fell right into the trap of the excellent defending CONMEBOL teams playing for chaos (and even still they got screwed by VAR and probably should have advanced).  Netherlands was tremendously disappointing, but Morocco is a top 10 squad and it was really a coin flip.

Spain looked pathetic against Cape Verde, but they still won their group and have yet to concede.  Norway has looked very dangerous and incredibly cohesive and you can't take anything from the France match.  Portugal and England both had bad draws to inferior squads, but I don't think have looked all that terrible (Colombia isn't a pushover by any means so that's not all that much of a black eye for Portugal).

I think there is FAR more parity in world soccer these days.  I think the historic European giants aren't heads and tails above everyone anymore, but I don't know if I would consider it overrated.  If we see 2 or more of Norway, France, Belgium or England sent home in the next 48 hours, then I would be willing to revise my statement.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 30, 2026, 12:38:42 PMI'm not terribly impressed by teams winning groups that they were set up to win handily, especially when they don't look impressive doing it.
Switzerland won a group by tying the 59th ranked team in the world, and beating the 30th and 61st.
Germany beat the 31st and 82nd ranked teams, and tied the 24th.
Belgium beat the 57th ranked team - which was somehow playing worse than that - and looked meh drawing 21st and 26th.
England, Portugal and Spain had poor showings in draws against weak opponents.

Overrated doesn't mean they're bad or won't beat lesser teams. It just means they aren't meeting expectations. I don't think it's controversial to say most European teams have failed to meet expectations.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 30, 2026, 01:46:08 PMHaaland!

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 30, 2026, 11:51:32 AMDutch v Morocco:

https://x.com/i/status/2071778913160704394

https://x.com/i/status/2071801927013114298

https://x.com/i/status/2071787769295184196

https://x.com/i/status/2071805168379715601

Let's just get on with giving GKs a halo on corners and free kicks like a punt returners. Would eliminate a ton of BS

Quote from: The Sultan on June 30, 2026, 03:46:53 PMA Sunday double-header with Brazil v. Norway and then a possible match-up of England and Mexico at the Azteca would be amazing.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2026, 04:37:36 PMAs someone who isn't a soccer fan, France is by far the most entertaining team I've watched play a soccer game.  They actually, well, shoot the ball and try to create scoring opportunities. So, so many situations with so many other teams where they are in the attacking 3rd and end up passing the ball all the way back to the keeper, who just kicks it to their attacking side with a 50/50 ball.  Might as well just throw in a 50/50 cross rather than pass it all the way back there.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 30, 2026, 04:37:36 PMAs someone who isn't a soccer fan, France is by far the most entertaining team I've watched play a soccer game.  They actually, well, shoot the ball and try to create scoring opportunities. So, so many situations with so many other teams where they are in the attacking 3rd and end up passing the ball all the way back to the keeper, who just kicks it to their attacking side with a 50/50 ball.  Might as well just throw in a 50/50 cross rather than pass it all the way back there.

Quote from: panda on June 30, 2026, 05:20:26 PMI do think this is a bit of a simplistic look at strategy. The reason France can go forward like they do is because they have such strong midfield and defensive coverage. It also helps that Sweden stinks.

This would be like asking a basketball team why don't you get out and run 100% of the time or why don't you just throw it to the big guy and let him score because he's so close to the hoop.

It is also difficult for the majority of international teams to play "attractive" soccer simply because they're glorified all star teams without reps together. It also hurts that some managers are terrified of failure which leads to game plans like Netherlands went out with last night.

Absolutely no shade whatsoever here and appreciate you/anyone else watching the beautiful game.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 30, 2026, 09:16:20 PMThis crowd is rather electric in Mexico City.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 30, 2026, 09:16:20 PMThis crowd is rather electric in Mexico City.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 12:50:26 PMHoly mother of god Harry Kane. What an absolute laser

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 01, 2026, 12:54:14 PMI miss him.

Love, tottenham fans

Quote from: Warriors4ever on July 01, 2026, 03:44:55 PMhttps://www.kctv5.com/2026/07/01/mexico-fans-use-homophobic-chant-during-world-cup-match-against-ecuador/

This has been an ongoing issue with games in Mexico.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 12:50:26 PMHoly mother of god Harry Kane. What an absolute laser

Quote from: panda on July 01, 2026, 04:15:06 PMBelgium is an absolute mess right now.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 04:46:36 PMPretty amazing how completely toothless they've become offensively.  Its gotten get pretty dark for them by the next cycle.  They may be able to sneak in with an old and wiley Courtois backstopping them for one more cycle, but their young talent looks very underwhelming on this stage.

Quote from: panda on July 01, 2026, 04:52:28 PMOmg what happened to Senegal. No pressure on the ball such an easy cross.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 04:59:36 PMThat aged hilariously bad with QUICKNESS

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2026, 04:53:18 PMOh, my.

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 01, 2026, 05:47:15 PMSoft call for that PK

Quote from: BM1090 on July 01, 2026, 06:03:46 PMRight call though. Prevented defender from making contact with the ball and kicked him. A little soft, but you've gotta call it.

I think the US handles Belgium assuming they win tonight

Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 07:51:08 PMBalo is gonna be a superstar, I just have a feeling.  He's only 24 and the continued development is so refreshing to see .  I think hes a top 3 US player all time when all is said and done.  Hes got an absolute edge to him, besides prodigious natural talent and instincts. He fits the US mold so well

Quote from: Dish on July 01, 2026, 07:35:05 PMOffsides in soccer takes so much enjoyment and entertainment out of the game.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 01, 2026, 07:58:27 PMLiterally why soccer will never be popular in the USA.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 01, 2026, 08:01:30 PMUSA should be up 3-0.

B&H should have 2 or 3 yellow cards.

Freese has answered the call.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 01, 2026, 08:00:26 PMIf we had a Messi or Mbappe it would be popular. 

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 01, 2026, 08:03:02 PMChicken and the egg.  We'll never produce a Messi or Mbappe without the necessary infrastructure, which needs the sport to be popular.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 01, 2026, 07:58:27 PMLiterally why soccer will never be popular in the USA.

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2026, 08:31:57 PMGood call.

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2026, 08:31:57 PMGood call.

Teammates need to step up.

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2026, 08:31:57 PMGood call.

Teammates need to step up.

Quote from: Dish on July 01, 2026, 07:35:05 PMOffsides in soccer takes so much enjoyment and entertainment out of the game.

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2026, 08:31:57 PMGood call.

Teammates need to step up.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 01, 2026, 08:47:35 PMThis game is not going to endear the casual American sports fan to soccer.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 01, 2026, 08:54:19 PMExcuse my ignorance but if the USA wins, that kid that got the red card will still be suspended for the next game???  This is absurd if true.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 01, 2026, 09:00:37 PMYeah they can and will appeal but appeals are rarely won

Quote from: BM1090 on July 01, 2026, 09:00:37 PMYeah they can and will appeal but appeals are rarely won

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 01, 2026, 09:12:49 PMWho is the VAR?  Maybe I'll write a letter.  This is totally inexcusable. 

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 01, 2026, 09:14:44 PMsome good for nothing manatee, go figure.

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2026, 09:18:43 PMCostly win. Gotta get the win, but beating Belgium without Balogun is a huge ask. Pepi isn't close to the player nor does he have the chemistry. He looked comparably out of his depth when he came on for Pulisic. Be interesting to see what they draw up. I could see moving Pulisic more central and bringing on Berhalter. Just focus on ball movement, high press, and hope some of the mids can bang in a couple goals.

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2026, 09:18:43 PMCostly win. Gotta get the win, but beating Belgium without Balogun is a huge ask. Pepi isn't close to the player nor does he have the chemistry. He looked comparably out of his depth when he came on for Pulisic. Be interesting to see what they draw up. I could see moving Pulisic more central and bringing on Berhalter. Just focus on ball movement, high press, and hope some of the mids can bang in a couple goals.

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2026, 09:18:43 PMCostly win. Gotta get the win, but beating Belgium without Balogun is a huge ask. Pepi isn't close to the player nor does he have the chemistry. He looked comparably out of his depth when he came on for Pulisic. Be interesting to see what they draw up. I could see moving Pulisic more central and bringing on Berhalter. Just focus on ball movement, high press, and hope some of the mids can bang in a couple goals.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 01, 2026, 09:22:30 PMDo they not like Wright or is he just a different type of player?

Quote from: panda on July 01, 2026, 09:24:50 PMPepi a much more willing runner which lends itself well to a late game sub.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 01, 2026, 09:25:38 PMRight. But I mean to start next game. But if he is not a willing runner I get it.

Quote from: panda on July 01, 2026, 09:29:09 PMPersonal opinion - but Pepi clears haji all day. Pepi can hold up play much better than Wright. Will be important against a team who likes to play with the ball

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 01, 2026, 09:22:11 PMI don't get it.  What can be done to win the appeal?

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2026, 09:18:43 PMCostly win. Gotta get the win, but beating Belgium without Balogun is a huge ask. Pepi isn't close to the player nor does he have the chemistry. He looked comparably out of his depth when he came on for Pulisic. Be interesting to see what they draw up. I could see moving Pulisic more central and bringing on Berhalter. Just focus on ball movement, high press, and hope some of the mids can bang in a couple goals.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 01, 2026, 09:42:19 PMBelgium has been thoroughly average for four games, and really don't deserve to be in the final 16. Advancing is definitely not a lock for the US, but this isn't 2014. Oddsmakers are basically calling it a toss-up.
It doesn't hurt that the US is younger and didn't play an extra 30 minutes today.

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 01, 2026, 09:18:43 PMCostly win. Gotta get the win, but beating Belgium without Balogun is a huge ask. Pepi isn't close to the player nor does he have the chemistry. He looked comparably out of his depth when he came on for Pulisic. Be interesting to see what they draw up. I could see moving Pulisic more central and bringing on Berhalter. Just focus on ball movement, high press, and hope some of the mids can bang in a couple goals.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 01, 2026, 10:04:47 PMObviously Balogun is our best option, but Belgium hasn't been impressive at all. I think we win.

Quote from: panda on July 01, 2026, 09:03:11 PMAlmost positive you can't appeal a var decision. Someone fact check me

Quote from: BM1090 on July 01, 2026, 10:08:03 PMMy quick search says you CAN appeal, but it seems it's basically 100% that a VAR decision won't be overturned

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 01, 2026, 10:16:37 PMThis is bcrap!!!  How do I get in touch with the VAR?

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 01, 2026, 10:18:33 PMyou have to reach out to them on Google.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 01, 2026, 10:18:33 PMyou have to reach out to them on Google.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 01, 2026, 10:16:37 PMThis is bcrap!!!  How do I get in touch with the VAR?

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 02, 2026, 05:23:04 AMNot just messi

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 02, 2026, 05:23:04 AMNot just messi

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 02, 2026, 07:59:44 AMAnd every one of the similar fouls in those shots is worse than Balogun's. In every single one, the offender's head/eyes are down and looking directly at the lunging foot that steps on the ballhandler's leg.  As opposed to Balogun, who was moving laterally toward a constested ball and not remotely looking at the opposing player's leg he came down on.  Just peak FIFA nonsense.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 02, 2026, 08:12:49 AMYou're damn right!  Exactly!  Total and inexcusable nonsense.  That said, I think still we have a good shot vs 🇧🇪. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 02, 2026, 08:13:27 AMThat play was flat out dirty

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 02, 2026, 08:15:25 AMIt wasn't intentional at all. 

Balo is a good dude. 

Quote from: Johnny B on July 02, 2026, 06:56:01 PMCR7 is just beyond washed. Big fan of his but he's done. Portugal basically down a man with him out there

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 02, 2026, 08:20:03 PMThere are sensors in the ball.

Brutal for Croatia.

Quote from: Johnny B on July 02, 2026, 08:23:51 PMYeah someone just said that to me.. what is there a 20 thousand dollar super chip
In the ball that can register a hair graze? Wild to me. If it can pick something so minimal like that I'd think the wind would screw with it at times

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 02, 2026, 08:27:04 PMYour guess is as good as mine regarding the sensitivity of the sensors, just pointing out it's not the VAR official making the call by looking at a tv. Just makes it all the more brutal IMO.

Quote from: Johnny B on July 02, 2026, 08:29:26 PMWow I had no
Idea the VAR guys just go with what the ball says? No discretion.
Wth

Quote from: Johnny B on July 02, 2026, 08:29:26 PMWow I had no
Idea the VAR guys just go with what the ball says? No discretion.
Wth

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 02, 2026, 08:40:44 PMDifferent kind of sensors but I have never seen the goal line technology get a call wrong. Far and away the most accepted form of technology introduced into the game, if the refs watch says it's a goal, it's a goal. I think the sensors are accepted because there's nobody to complain to.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2026, 10:02:10 PMSoccer hot take .... offsides would be better if the rule were applied as it is in hockey. If any part of you is onsides, you're good. Stop punishing aggressiveness and rewarding defenders who get beat.
I realize this is never going to happen.

Quote from: Johnny B on July 02, 2026, 10:18:41 PMAt least have it be based off of ur feet position. Tired of seeing a freaking hand past the defender be offside

Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2026, 10:02:10 PMSoccer hot take .... offsides would be better if the rule were applied as it is in hockey. If any part of you is onsides, you're good. Stop punishing aggressiveness and rewarding defenders who get beat.
I realize this is never going to happen.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 02, 2026, 07:54:42 AMStill concerned about Belgium without Balo, because he's been that good and that dynamic.  I can't remember a US striker in my lifetime in form where I felt like he was gonna score each time he has some daylight and a view of goal within 20 yards.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2026, 10:02:10 PMSoccer hot take .... offsides would be better if the rule were applied as it is in hockey. If any part of you is onsides, you're good. Stop punishing aggressiveness and rewarding defenders who get beat.
I realize this is never going to happen.

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 03, 2026, 09:09:08 AMI don't think we've ever had one. McBride was great, but his effectiveness was largely set pieces and crosses where someone else was creating it for him. Altidore & Eddie Johnson showed flashes, but never the consistent danger of Balogun. Most of our other forward options were MLS merchants at best.

Dempsey & Donovan had dynamism, but always felt to me like midfielders who were pushed forward due to lack of options. Right now Balogun feels like he's one of one.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 03, 2026, 10:04:03 AMCouldn't agree more.  Honestly, in terms of a pure striker, I think the best for the US has probably been Wynalda.  McBride was an absolute DAWG, amazing at hold up play, but as you said, he needed the service and delivery, cause he wasn't dynamic enough to create on his own.  Wynalda might not have been the complete package like Mcbride, but he was probably the best 9 we had in terms of technical ability, creativity, and finishing...which is a bit depressing considering he hasn't worn the US badge in 25 years.  All the "best" elite scoring threats for the US since Wynalda and Mcbride have been wingers/attacking mids (Dempsey, Donovan, Pulisic)

Eddie Johnson was inconsistent and even more damning was how toothless he was once he went to Europe.  He was a complete non-factor for Fulham and, even worse, was a ghost for multiple clubs in the Championship.

Altidore is the natural comparison cause he was our most athletic striker, scored a ton of goals, and played up top forever with very little challenge from anyone else in the USMNT system for the 2010s.  But, with all due respect, I think his technical ability was very much lacking.  He was a great athlete, had great size which let him work well alone up top, always had a great motor, but that lack of technical skill and creativity is the biggest difference with him and Balo.  Also, I believe that's the reason he floundered at the tougher European levels like Johnson.  He scored a bunch for AZ, but everyone scored in the Eredivise at that time (shout out Aron Johannsson) when bottom half teams were giving up an average of 2.5-3 goals a game.

I watch dozens of Altidore matches and don't remember holding my breath when he got a touch in or near the box like I do with Balo.  That eye-test/emotion-test, beyond the stats, is what feels so different. 

And as I said in the post before, he's still not even to his prime (actually just turned 25 today), and he's not been the primary striker on a very good/great club team yet.  He was a boss at Reims the year he got his call up, but he was a bright spot on a mid table team.  Then he went to Monaco and was second choice to Ben Yedder, a club legend that first season.  Ben Yedder moved on the next season but Balo was banged up all year.  This was his first full season as the unquestioned 9 for Monaco, and he was very good, but Monaco was a mess.  Point being, I think he's still got so much upside and ceiling we haven't even seen yet.  I hope we find a way on Monday cause I'd love to see him back with a vengeance and a mission against a top 5 Intl squad (Spain or Portugal)

Quote from: JWags85 on July 03, 2026, 10:04:03 AMAltidore is the natural comparison cause he was our most athletic striker, scored a ton of goals, and played up top forever with very little challenge from anyone else in the USMNT system for the 2010s.  But, with all due respect, I think his technical ability was very much lacking.  He was a great athlete, had great size which let him work well alone up top, always had a great motor, but that lack of technical skill and creativity is the biggest difference with him and Balo.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 03, 2026, 11:50:45 AMI do think people are giving way too much respect to Belgium right now. I'd argue we've definitively been better in this tournament to this point. The Balo loss is big for sure, but we're still slight favorites in the books.

Yes they beat us in March but we were down a few starters and playing a different formation, and experimenting throughout the match. We're playing in Seattle. The whole starting 11 has been performing at a good level.

It'll be a pretty even match, but I expect a win.

Quote from: brewcity77 on July 03, 2026, 03:27:54 PMAgree with that. Altidore was so frustrating. Him and Freddy Adu looked incredible at the 2007 U20 World Cup. Then that goal against Spain in the Confederations. Great hold up, received the ball, shrugged off his defender on the turn, and fired it in from 20 yards out. All that at age 19! He just looked so natural, so fast, so powerful. Then he went and tore up the Eredivisie before we all knew how little that meant. I really thought he'd be a star, but he just never had enough quality to turn that potential into high level production.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 03, 2026, 04:22:51 PMReally happy for Egypt.  Wanted Salah to have one more run and getting their first ever WC win, first knockout stage appearance, and now their first knockout win, Panenka in dramatic fashion, is a pretty greatz way to do it.  Not sure if he'll still be playing for the 2030 Cup, he'd only be a squad guy if so, so this is a great potential send off.  That pseudo-Panenka to put Ryan on skates was absolutely perfect.

I also recently started getting my hair cut at a new shop where my barber is a young Egyptian guy who just passed his 1 year anniversary in the States. Nice guy, great cut, but was fairly quiet and reserved. Found out his background d at my second visit, mentioned Salah and LFC, and he transformed and turned into Sky Sports studio panelist.  Now up spending 5-10 min after each appt just shooting the crap about soccer.  Saw him on Wed and he was beyond excited for today.  So he's over the moon and I'm stoked for him.

As for the actual match, pretty inexplicable choice to sub Matt Ryan in cold with a min left for penalties.  I know he's the captain and experienced, but it's not like he's a world removed penalty stopper. Beach had played every minute of the group stages and their last warm up match...not to mention the only reason they made it to penalties was cause Beach stood on his head 2-3 times to deny great Egyptian chances

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 03, 2026, 04:36:39 PMSalah grinning at the keeper after going right down the middle was ice cold. He's so cool.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 03, 2026, 06:22:15 PMGOAL!!!!  Cape Verde!! 

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 03, 2026, 06:49:23 PMIs there a hoops culture in Cape Verde?  Maybe MU should get a scout out there and Senegal??

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 04, 2026, 01:48:47 PMCanadians can sleep tight knowing they at least regularly win championships in the sport they invented

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 04, 2026, 01:48:47 PMCanadians can sleep tight knowing they at least regularly win championships in the sport they invented

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 04, 2026, 04:28:44 PMI didn't know there was a world lacrosse championship. (The national sport of Canada)

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 04, 2026, 05:10:57 PMThis is indigenous erasure

Quote from: panda on July 04, 2026, 07:33:15 PMhttps://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/2073502307963080938?s=46

🤡🤡

Quote from: JWags85 on July 05, 2026, 11:35:16 AMOh hell yes...

https://x.com/adamcrafton_/status/2073805425246454175?s=46 (https://x.com/adamcrafton_/status/2073805425246454175?s=46)

I don't care how or why, let's goo

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 05, 2026, 11:45:07 AMCorruption is great when it works in my favor. I get it

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 05, 2026, 03:36:15 PMWhen you're a FIFA Peace Prize winner they let you do it

Quote from: JWags85 on July 05, 2026, 01:48:11 PMI can see it both ways.  It was an incorrect red card, largely due to VAR sending it to review based on incorrect procedure and methodology.  FIFA doesn't have a structure or methodology to overturn it, so suspending it like this is the only way possible.  So in many ways it's a just and correct course of action.

However FIFA basically never admits guilt, has been impossibly corrupt for essentially its entire existence, and reports of the WH being involved make it all the more certain that coercion was involved.

I'm just happy the USMNT is important enough to benefit from such intrinsic corruption normally reserved for Messi, Ronaldo, and European powers

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 05, 2026, 03:47:20 PMIt shouldn't have been a red card in the first place but it being suspended and then the WH taking credit it feels way more gross.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 05, 2026, 03:48:06 PMCorrupt powers attract corruption

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 05, 2026, 03:57:30 PMMy vote is that they were going to suspend it anyway and told the WH to just keep it quiet. Which we know how that goes

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 05, 2026, 03:47:20 PMIt shouldn't have been a red card in the first place but it being suspended and then the WH taking credit it feels way more gross.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 05, 2026, 03:47:20 PMIt shouldn't have been a red card in the first place but it being suspended and then the WH taking credit it feels way more gross.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 05, 2026, 04:05:36 PMLeave it to Jason Whitlock to come up with the worst possible take.

https://x.com/jasonwhitlock/status/2073837664957042740?s=20

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 05, 2026, 04:18:02 PMWonder what Stephen Miller thinks.  Quite the dichotomy.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 05, 2026, 03:36:15 PMWhen you're a FIFA Peace Prize winner they let you do it

Quote from: BM1090 on July 05, 2026, 04:46:49 PMDo we think that Trump actually impacted this or that he's just taking credit for things as usual

Quote from: BM1090 on July 05, 2026, 04:46:49 PMDo we think that Trump actually impacted this or that he's just taking credit for things as usual

Quote from: panda on July 05, 2026, 04:56:42 PMThe bigger question is would mama Kamala be able to pull something like this off?

Quote from: BM1090 on July 05, 2026, 04:46:49 PMDo we think that Trump actually impacted this or that he's just taking credit for things as usual

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 05, 2026, 05:37:54 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2073896410034901342

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 05, 2026, 05:51:37 PM🇧🇪 is very upset with us. How should we prepare?  What if they hurl mussels at our players?  Or flaming hot frites?  Or worse, ban Belgian 🍺 in the 🇺🇸?? What's our strategy?

Quote from: wadesworld on July 05, 2026, 06:05:39 PMTrump's got this.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 05, 2026, 06:05:39 PMTrump's got this.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 05, 2026, 06:09:40 PMSo I can rest easy?  I was concerned about no longer having access to a number of tremendous beer options.  :)

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 05, 2026, 06:25:09 PMWhy wouldn't you have access to Belgian beer?

Quote from: BM1090 on July 05, 2026, 04:46:49 PMDo we think that Trump actually impacted this or that he's just taking credit for things as usual

Quote from: panda on July 05, 2026, 09:42:42 PMSome of the most cowardly tactics I've ever seen. Would be shocked if Mexico can't score

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 05, 2026, 10:09:58 PMRepeatedly playing bad crosses into a box where you have less numbers than the defense and a significant height/size disparity was a choice

Quote from: panda on July 05, 2026, 10:17:58 PMRaul Jimenez was an absolute menace today in the air and both goals came from wide positions.

Mexico has no creativity from the middle of the park and needed to play with width to get balls into Jimenez and santi, both of whom need that type of service to score.

Wildly risky to let your opponent sit with the ball and repeatedly put the ball into the box. Safer method is how the US killed the game against Bosnia. Let's not pretend England can't do that to Mexico. It worked out for them but huge, huge risk

Quote from: panda on July 05, 2026, 04:56:42 PMThe bigger question is would mama Kamala be able to pull something like this off?

Quote from: MU82 on July 06, 2026, 12:58:08 AMThe biggest question is: How much would the Sexual Abuser In Chief and his cultists be losing their sh!t if a player on the USMNT's opponent had his suspension overturned after the opposing country's president interceded on that player's behalf?

"The World Cup is RIGGED! This is The MOST Crooked Tournament in HISTORY!! Thank you for your attention to this matter."

Quote from: JWags85 on July 05, 2026, 10:29:24 PMSanti was absolutely dreadful.  Frankly he has been all tournament.  I don't think he's had a rating above 7 in a game for club or country since coming back from injury in March.

Full credit to England for how they defended, absolutely brilliant.  By the 80-85 min mark, Mexico was clearly and obviously getting frustrated and out of ideas.  Spence was an absolute demon after he came on as a substitute at LB

Quote from: MU82 on July 06, 2026, 12:58:08 AMThe biggest question is: How much would the Sexual Abuser In Chief and his cultists be losing their sh!t if a player on the USMNT's opponent had his suspension overturned after the opposing country's president interceded on that player's behalf?

"The World Cup is RIGGED! This is The MOST Crooked Tournament in HISTORY!! Thank you for your attention to this matter."

Quote from: MU82 on July 06, 2026, 12:58:08 AMThe biggest question is: How much would the Sexual Abuser In Chief and his cultists be losing their sh!t if a player on the USMNT's opponent had his suspension overturned after the opposing country's president interceded on that player's behalf?

"The World Cup is RIGGED! This is The MOST Crooked Tournament in HISTORY!! Thank you for your attention to this matter."

Quote from: panda on July 06, 2026, 07:04:43 AMHe's really, really struggled since his move from feyenoord. Simply hasn't been up to the level.

Him coming on offered absolutely nothing different or dynamic for Mexico which, again, is why i was so shocked when England took such a negative approach to kill the game. The gulf in quality between the two teams is so wide so sitting that deep and opening themselves up to opportunity after opportunity was surprising.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 06, 2026, 07:48:26 AMMexico looked incredibly dangerous and fired up, especially right after Kane's penalty.  I think that's what precipitated England sitting so deep cause it was relentless for awhile.  But for some reason, after the Jimenez penalty, they seemed way less aggressive, potent, and dangerous leading to them just chucking in the crosses.  England didn't seem to change their strategy to counter that, but they had aerial dominance and size completely covered so maybe Tuchel was content in that.

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 06, 2026, 08:23:57 AMYea, I very quickly went from "I don't think England can maintain this for another 20 minutes" to "Mexico looks like they've run out of ideas and everyone is just gassed".

Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on July 06, 2026, 09:54:17 AMThere's some kind of poetry that Trump went this hard to ensure that a birthright citizen was able to play.

 :o

Quote from: The Sultan on July 06, 2026, 08:26:31 AMAfter England packed it in, Mexico didn't come close to scoring really. Yeah, that tactic isn't going to work against the likes of Norway, but I don't think it was terribly risky against Mexico.

Quote from: Its DJOver on July 06, 2026, 08:23:57 AMYea, I very quickly went from "I don't think England can maintain this for another 20 minutes" to "Mexico looks like they've run out of ideas and everyone is just gassed".

Quote from: JWags85 on July 06, 2026, 10:32:31 AM70-80 min mark: "Where the hell did Mexico's aggression and dynamism go?"

Quote from: BM1090 on July 05, 2026, 04:46:49 PMDo we think that Trump actually impacted this or that he's just taking credit for things as usual

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 06, 2026, 06:03:15 AMWell, tbf, the World Cup is rigged and crooked

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 06, 2026, 12:01:24 PMI'm just glad that FIFA's corruption and lack of transparency benefits the US for once.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 06, 2026, 12:01:24 PMI'm just glad that FIFA's corruption and lack of transparency benefits the US for once.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 06, 2026, 12:05:57 PMWould have benefited the US a long time ago if they had a USMNT worth a damn the last few decades

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 01:28:22 PMExpel every team whose government interferes in the World Cup.

Cheating should be done by FIFA - not the US and England.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 01:28:22 PMExpel every team whose government interferes in the World Cup. Cheating should be done by FIFA - not the US and England.

This was a very likable US team until now - easy to root for. Now, I hope the cheaters get blown out.

Quote from: panda on July 06, 2026, 01:30:46 PMExplain the cheating process which occurred please.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 06, 2026, 07:28:50 AMCan you just stop please? There are plenty of topics where you are apparently allowed you use your dumb little nicknames to make political points, but this one has been largely clear of that nonsense.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 06, 2026, 01:56:37 PMFirst, I agree, @MU82 and others, please stop.

"Apparently allowed" - I know the Iran thread was off the rails, and yes I allowed plenty of political commentary on that subject.    But I've not spent more that a few minutes on scoop the past few months, so I don't know of any others (nobody has reported anything)

Quote from: The Sultan on July 06, 2026, 01:56:29 PMHe can't. It's just another of his mindless political rants.

Quote from: panda on July 06, 2026, 01:30:46 PMExplain the cheating process which occurred please.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 02:27:56 PMWe will be playing a red carded player tonight. No other country is allowed to do this.

That is bending the rules, aka cheating.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 02:27:56 PMWe will be playing a red carded player tonight. No other country is allowed to do this.

That is bending the rules, aka cheating.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 01:28:22 PMExpel every team whose government interferes in the World Cup. Cheating should be done by FIFA - not the US and England.

This was a very likable US team until now - easy to root for. Now, I hope the cheaters get blown out.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 02:27:56 PMWe will be playing a red carded player tonight. No other country is allowed to do this.

That is bending the rules, aka cheating.

Quote from: panda on July 06, 2026, 12:02:25 PMhttps://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjwgggp28dlo

Just an absolutely pathetic abuse of power. In no way shape or form should any head of state intervene in an independent competition. This just gives more reason for the world to hate the citizens of England. Shocking

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 06, 2026, 02:47:27 PMYes, to ask that the time not be moved up so 3,000 or their fans wouldn't miss the game. Definitely the same thing.

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 06, 2026, 02:47:27 PMYes, to ask that the time not be moved up so 3,000 or their fans wouldn't miss the game. Definitely the same thing.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 06, 2026, 01:56:37 PMFirst, I agree, @MU82 and others, please stop.

"Apparently allowed" - I know the Iran thread was off the rails, and yes I allowed plenty of political commentary on that subject.    But I've not spent more that a few minutes on scoop the past few months, so I don't know of any others (nobody has reported anything)

Quote from: BM1090 on July 06, 2026, 02:34:40 PMThe team is made up of mostly good dudes. They are still likeable.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 05:01:24 PMI agree. This is a hardworking, likable team. But when only one team gets to put its thumb on the scale, I'm out.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 05:01:24 PMI agree. This is a hardworking, likable team. But when only one team gets to put its thumb on the scale, I'm out.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 05:01:24 PMI agree. This is a hardworking, likable team. But when only one team gets to put its thumb on the scale, I'm out.

Quote from: Jockey on July 06, 2026, 02:27:56 PMWe will be playing a red carded player tonight. No other country is allowed to do this.

That is bending the rules, aka cheating.

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 06, 2026, 02:47:27 PMYes, to ask that the time not be moved up so 3,000 or their fans wouldn't miss the game. Definitely the same thing.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 05:41:10 PMFIFA's rules literally allow for this. And FIFA already did it for another player from another country so he could compete in this World Cup.

27. SUSPENSION OF IMPLEMENTATION OF DISCIPLINARY
MEASURES
1. The judicial body may decide to fully or partially suspend the implementation of a disciplinary measure.
2. By suspending the implementation of the sanction, the judicial body subjects the person sanctioned to a probationary period of one to four years.
3. If the person benefiting from a suspended sanction commits another infringement of a similar nature and gravity during the probationary period, the suspension shall be revoked by the judicial body and the sanction enforced without prejudice to any additional sanction imposed for the new infringement.
4. Disciplinary measures relating to match manipulation cannot be suspended.

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/asset/5bd452de-0dd6-4342-93d4-53122ccb75b9/FIFA-Disciplinary-Code-2026.pdf

Quote from: panda on July 06, 2026, 05:11:50 PMStill waiting for your explanation. Until then - you will be known as the clown.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 06, 2026, 07:25:44 PMUSA is completely outclassed.  Makes all the Belgian whining look really lame.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on July 06, 2026, 08:03:21 PMDefense exposed in the first half.  These aren't the vintage CBs and GK of past USMNTs.

Belgium not bothered by our press.  Constantly generating chances.  Both of the goals were easy finishes.

US lacks precision in the final third.  Expect more long balls to Balogun running behind the defense. Had a couple chances doing that late in the half.

Tillman's free kick mastery continues.  Thank goodness.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 06, 2026, 08:25:32 PMIn reality this team hasn't improved at all in the last four years. Beating Paraguay, Australia and Bosnia, only to get trucked by a second tier European power is the same as it ever was.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 06, 2026, 08:28:20 PMSolutions?

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 06, 2026, 08:28:20 PMSolutions?

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 06, 2026, 08:28:20 PMSolutions?

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 06, 2026, 08:28:20 PMSolutions?

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 08:42:18 PM(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3zhHJEOlFfyC9gjTLgvmHpz5jzFZgGt9pRFJl2xVhNJNe1Cu_TKdHAnk&s=10)

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 06, 2026, 08:37:20 PMAgain, I don't know squat about soccer, but we seem to be light-years behind.  My brain tells me this should not be an elite rich kid sport based on the success of other countries.  But if I'm not mistaken, we have essentially had a stupid system that caters to a major $$$ commitment.  I've been thoroughly disappointed with this performance.

Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on July 06, 2026, 08:55:29 PMOur poor man sport is basketball. The rest of the world's is soccer

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 06, 2026, 08:22:48 PMChoke

Quote from: lawdog77 on July 06, 2026, 09:07:01 PMThey were simply beaten by a better team.

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 06, 2026, 08:52:09 PMThis actually highlights why US soccer will not be good for the foreseeable future. Our best athletes always went to a sport that paid more. And now with NIL money, there is no way a talented athlete is going to choose soccer over baseball, basketball or football.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 09:20:14 PMWe're a country of 342 million.
Even if 90% of our top athletes went to other sports, that leaves a bigger talent pool than a majority of WC teams, including about three times more than Switzerland, Belgium and Portugal, twice as much as the Netherlands. Add to the fact that we have massive resources at our disposal, and this excuse doesn't really hold.
Also, many of our top athletes don't have the body types/skills to play soccer. LeBron James and Myles Garrett aren't built for soccer.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 09:20:14 PMWe're a country of 342 million.
Even if 90% of our top athletes went to other sports, that leaves a bigger talent pool than a majority of WC teams, including about three times more than Switzerland, Belgium and Portugal, twice as much as the Netherlands. Add to the fact that we have massive resources at our disposal, and this excuse doesn't really hold.
Also, many of our top athletes don't have the body types/skills to play soccer. LeBron James and Myles Garrett aren't built for soccer.

Quote from: SoCalEagle on July 06, 2026, 10:20:41 PMOnly two shots on goal???

In the whole game???

Quote from: Dish on July 06, 2026, 09:59:29 PMYou're not wrong, but the problem is, the US can not come up with a megastar player. I do think if you're a youth stud athlete in this country, for the most part, you're playing something other than soccer. It's just the reality of US sports culture.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 11:09:07 PMLionel Messi is 5'7", 150
Mbappe is 5'10", 165
Vinicius Jr. is 5'9", 165
Luka Modric is 5'8", 150
Mo Salah is 5'9", 170
Neymar is 5'9", 160
Bruno Fernandes is 6', 140
Pedri is 5'9, 150
I could go on.
What sport are stud American athletes this size excelling at? Most of them would be frozen out of competing at high levels simply on account of their size.
We're not losing these athletes to football and hoops, or even many to baseball and hockey. We're just not developing them as soccer players.

Quote from: Dish on July 06, 2026, 09:59:29 PMYou're not wrong, but the problem is, the US can not come up with a megastar player. I do think if you're a youth stud athlete in this country, for the most part, you're playing something other than soccer. It's just the reality of US sports culture.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 11:09:07 PMLionel Messi is 5'7", 150
Mbappe is 5'10", 165
Vinicius Jr. is 5'9", 165
Luka Modric is 5'8", 150
Mo Salah is 5'9", 170
Neymar is 5'9", 160
Bruno Fernandes is 6', 140
Pedri is 5'9, 150
I could go on.
What sport are stud American athletes this size excelling at? Most of them would be frozen out of competing at high levels simply on account of their size.
We're not losing these athletes to football and hoops, or even many to baseball and hockey. We're just not developing them as soccer players.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 11:09:07 PMLionel Messi is 5'7", 150
Mbappe is 5'10", 165
Vinicius Jr. is 5'9", 165
Luka Modric is 5'8", 150
Mo Salah is 5'9", 170
Neymar is 5'9", 160
Bruno Fernandes is 6', 140
Pedri is 5'9, 150
I could go on.
What sport are stud American athletes this size excelling at? Most of them would be frozen out of competing at high levels simply on account of their size.
We're not losing these athletes to football and hoops, or even many to baseball and hockey. We're just not developing them as soccer players.

Quote from: MU82 on July 07, 2026, 12:43:24 AMYup. We even let Muggsy get away from the beautiful game and become a basketball legend.

Quote from: Dish on July 07, 2026, 12:55:31 AMMy casual guess would be most of those guys you mentioned went to an academy at an early age. The US has nothing like that (travel is its own beast, regardless of the sport).

If the US had ever had a megastar, I think that would inherently help the sport here tremendously (including development).

Quote from: The Sultan on July 07, 2026, 04:23:54 AMYeah our youth development infrastructure just isn't there. The best U.S. soccer player of all time, whomever that is, is nowhere near the level of the best player of all time from dozens of other countries.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 07, 2026, 04:23:54 AMYeah our youth development infrastructure just isn't there. The best U.S. soccer player of all time, whomever that is, is nowhere near the level of the best player of all time from dozens of other countries.

Quote from: SoCalEagle on July 06, 2026, 10:20:41 PMOnly two shots on goal???

In the whole game???

Quote from: Pakuni on July 06, 2026, 09:20:14 PMWe're a country of 342 million.
Even if 90% of our top athletes went to other sports, that leaves a bigger talent pool than a majority of WC teams, including about three times more than Switzerland, Belgium and Portugal, twice as much as the Netherlands. Add to the fact that we have massive resources at our disposal, and this excuse doesn't really hold.
Also, many of our top athletes don't have the body types/skills to play soccer. LeBron James and Myles Garrett aren't built for soccer.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 07:24:44 AMI don't see that much of a correlation between the population of a country and its success in Futbol.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 07, 2026, 07:33:32 AMIt's youth sports and the cost.  We're eliminating access to a portion of the population.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 07, 2026, 07:33:32 AMIt's youth sports and the cost.  We're eliminating access to a portion of the population.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 07:24:44 AMI don't see that much of a correlation between the population of a country and its success in Futbol.

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 06, 2026, 08:52:09 PMThis actually highlights why US soccer will not be good for the foreseeable future. Our best athletes always went to a sport that paid more. And now with NIL money, there is no way a talented athlete is going to choose soccer over baseball, basketball or football.

Quote from: panda on July 06, 2026, 02:50:04 PMPolitical intervention is political intervention. Can't pick and choose when it suits you buddy

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 07, 2026, 07:37:48 AMIn Germany, a talented 14-year-old earns his club money. In America, his parents pay the club $15,000 a year.

That single inversion explains why "we will not" is the most accurate line ever written about US soccer.

FIFA built a global system for this. Training compensation and solidarity payments send a cut of every transfer fee back to the clubs that developed the player, from age 12 onward. Develop one future pro and your academy gets paid for a decade. Barcelona's La Masia, Ajax, every Bundesliga academy runs on this logic. The kid is the asset.

US Soccer refuses to enforce those rules. When Seattle's Crossfire Premier claimed its $60,000 share of DeAndre Yedlin's transfer to Tottenham, it got nothing. Claims on the Dempsey and Bradley transfers died partly because the federation couldn't even produce the youth training records.

So American clubs earn zero dollars when a kid turns pro. They earn when a kid enrolls. Which makes the parent the customer, and the product is whatever keeps the parent writing checks: travel tournaments, hotel weekends, $500 showcase events, private training at $100 an hour. Elite pathways run $8,000 to $20,000 a year. A comparable academy spot in Italy costs about 120 euros.

Follow the incentive one level deeper and it gets darker. A club dependent on fees can't cut its weakest paying players, so rosters optimize for retention over development. The scouting pool shrinks to families who can afford the cliff, which appears around age 11, exactly when development matters most. The country runs a talent filter sorted by household income instead of ability.

Every four years someone proposes fixing this. The proposal always requires the people profiting from the $15,000 model to vote themselves out of business.

They will not.

https://x.com/aakashgupta/status/2074387188079595648?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 07:43:19 AMPerhaps someone could be hired to identify elite diminutive athletes?

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 07, 2026, 08:06:26 AMah yes, the trusted "LeBron James and Kevin Durant and every all-star American in every other sport would dominate soccer" memes. We all know how many 6-8 260-pound soccer players there are on the pitch, right? No way Lionel Messi could get around Kevin Durant in the open field and certainly that shrimp Haaland wouldn't be slipping any shots past Bam Adabayo, amirite? And if Mike Trout can hit home runs can you imagine how he'd be as a striker?

If only Peter Crouch had chosen basketball instead. He could have been as good as Kobe becuase he's 6-7, and basketball would be the top sport in England.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 07, 2026, 08:06:26 AMah yes, the trusted "LeBron James and Kevin Durant and every all-star American in every other sport would dominate soccer" memes. We all know how many 6-8 260-pound soccer players there are on the pitch, right? No way Lionel Messi could get around Kevin Durant in the open field and certainly that shrimp Haaland wouldn't be slipping any shots past Bam Adabayo, amirite? And if Mike Trout can hit home runs can you imagine how he'd be as a striker?

If only Peter Crouch had chosen basketball instead. He could have been as good as Kobe becuase he's 6-7, and basketball would be the top sport in England.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 07, 2026, 08:33:11 AMelite diminutive? doesn't exist

Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on July 07, 2026, 12:47:52 AMI mean, all of those heights or weights are far below the national average for male height and weight. That pool is becoming less and less of a great lake and more of one of Minnesotas ponds.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 08:44:03 AMNope.
The average height for an American man is 5'9".
The average weight is 199, because we're a bunch of fatsos.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/body-measurements.htm

Quote from: Dish on July 07, 2026, 12:55:31 AMMy casual guess would be most of those guys you mentioned went to an academy at an early age. The US has nothing like that (travel is its own beast, regardless of the sport).

If the US had ever had a megastar, I think that would inherently help the sport here tremendously (including development).

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 08:53:07 AMYes, exactly.
The U.S. has plenty of young males who could excel at soccer and, odds are, eventually one of them would become a global superstar. It isn't a matter that the American Messi or American Mbappe is playing basketball or football instead of soccer. We just lack the developmental infrastructure to push those athletes to the next level.


There's a reason so many promising young American players are hurried overseas at

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 07:24:44 AMI don't see that much of a correlation between the population of a country and its success in Futbol.

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 07, 2026, 07:37:48 AMIn Germany, a talented 14-year-old earns his club money. In America, his parents pay the club $15,000 a year.

That single inversion explains why "we will not" is the most accurate line ever written about US soccer.

FIFA built a global system for this. Training compensation and solidarity payments send a cut of every transfer fee back to the clubs that developed the player, from age 12 onward. Develop one future pro and your academy gets paid for a decade. Barcelona's La Masia, Ajax, every Bundesliga academy runs on this logic. The kid is the asset.

US Soccer refuses to enforce those rules. When Seattle's Crossfire Premier claimed its $60,000 share of DeAndre Yedlin's transfer to Tottenham, it got nothing. Claims on the Dempsey and Bradley transfers died partly because the federation couldn't even produce the youth training records.

So American clubs earn zero dollars when a kid turns pro. They earn when a kid enrolls. Which makes the parent the customer, and the product is whatever keeps the parent writing checks: travel tournaments, hotel weekends, $500 showcase events, private training at $100 an hour. Elite pathways run $8,000 to $20,000 a year. A comparable academy spot in Italy costs about 120 euros.

Follow the incentive one level deeper and it gets darker. A club dependent on fees can't cut its weakest paying players, so rosters optimize for retention over development. The scouting pool shrinks to families who can afford the cliff, which appears around age 11, exactly when development matters most. The country runs a talent filter sorted by household income instead of ability.

Every four years someone proposes fixing this. The proposal always requires the people profiting from the $15,000 model to vote themselves out of business.

They will not.

https://x.com/aakashgupta/status/2074387188079595648?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw

Quote from: The Sultan on July 07, 2026, 08:00:15 AMBesides the youth sports issues outlined in this topic, I would suggest it might be easier to identify and train  athletes in smaller countries where there isn't as much competition with other sports.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 08:57:40 AMWhen you have more people, you have more potential top athletes.
Of course, other factors like wealth, development structure, interest in a given sport, etc., also matter. But just in terms of raw materials to work with, you'd rather start off with a talent pool of 20 million to choose from than 2 million.

Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on July 07, 2026, 12:44:40 AMPakuni fails to understand the reality that the most athletic kids who have any shot of being a professional athlete are filtered into sports that generate the big money at a young age.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 09:17:48 AMWhat American sport would someone Messi's, Neymar's or Maradonna's stature have been filtered to? Horse racing?

Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on July 07, 2026, 12:44:40 AMPakuni fails to understand the reality that the most athletic kids who have any shot of being a professional athlete are filtered into sports that generate the big money at a young age.

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 07, 2026, 08:33:47 AMYeah, because everyone is 6'8" that's why there's so many more basketball camps than soccer camps and advanced basketball programs than soccer programs.
The infrastructure for those chasing the dream isn't going to change.

Well, unless you like socialism:

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Find your next late-night game at nycopenplay.com.

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Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 07, 2026, 09:20:10 AME-sports

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 08:56:28 AMMbappe can apparently run a 40 in like 4.14. 

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 09:38:12 AMBut there's enough people in this country that we really shouldn't lack the raw talent to compete with the likes of Belgium, Portugal and the Netherlands. We just stink at identifying and developing that talent.

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 07, 2026, 10:00:13 AMYep. "The best athletes" aren't just some amorphous phenomona that can be molded into the best at any sport. Sure there's some overlap, but Wes Matthews probably wouldn't have become a top professional soccer player.  And contrary to Unleash's point, I would love to see evidence he chose basketball because he just thought it would make him the most money. 

The US has plenty of kids participating in soccer to field a very competitive international team, and they aren't quitting because they think another sport will make them more money. They either don't have the family money/connections to participate at the most competitive levels and aren't being developed, and/or are just fizzling/aging out of sports altogether.

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 07, 2026, 07:37:48 AMIn Germany, a talented 14-year-old earns his club money. In America, his parents pay the club $15,000 a year.

That single inversion explains why "we will not" is the most accurate line ever written about US soccer.s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 07, 2026, 10:00:13 AMYep. "The best athletes" aren't just some amorphous phenomona that can be molded into the best at any sport. Sure there's some overlap, but Wes Matthews probably wouldn't have become a top professional soccer player.  And contrary to Unleash's point, I would love to see evidence he chose basketball because he just thought it would make him the most money. 

The US has plenty of kids participating in soccer to field a very competitive international team, and they aren't quitting because they think another sport will make them more money. They either don't have the family money/connections to participate at the most competitive levels and aren't being developed, and/or are just fizzling/aging out of sports altogether.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 07, 2026, 08:06:26 AMah yes, the trusted "LeBron James and Kevin Durant and every all-star American in every other sport would dominate soccer" memes. We all know how many 6-8 260-pound soccer players there are on the pitch, right? No way Lionel Messi could get around Kevin Durant in the open field and certainly that shrimp Haaland wouldn't be slipping any shots past Bam Adabayo, amirite? And if Mike Trout can hit home runs can you imagine how he'd be as a striker?

If only Peter Crouch had chosen basketball instead. He could have been as good as Kobe becuase he's 6-7, and basketball would be the top sport in England.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 07, 2026, 08:58:59 AMFWIW, that account posts nothing but barely researched AI slop.  Not that its fully untrue (the academy structure and pay for play in the US harms elite soccer development here without question), but just worth taking with a grain of salt.

This is a big point that is worth mentioning as much anything else.  Even as popular as basketball is in parts of Europe, soccer is still the sun and the moon for the vast majority of the population.  And you have, usually, 2-3 premier clubs (with their academies and youth system) at most in the smaller countries, so identifying the unnaturally gifted prospects, who largely only dream of soccer, and guiding them to best youth set-up is much easier than the scale of the US.

Ive mentioned before that my work colleagues/friends in Belgium live in the same town, Boom, where Lukaku grew up.  He's the same age and was in primary school together with one of their daughter's until their teens.  Before he was 10, everyone knew he was a star and he would be going to Lierse (the best club in Antwerp at the time, Royal Antwerp has made a revival lately but was crap back then), just a matter of when.  And then to Anderlecht if he continued to play at the level he was.  It was just a given.  Not whether he would opt for basketball instead or go the college route or whatnot.  If you're a super talented soccer player and you want to pursue it, this is the path, done and done.

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 07, 2026, 08:07:44 AMLOL. Willfully ignorant.

Except you aren't really willfully ignorant, you know your argument is beyond stupid but you are willing to make it anyways.

Quote from: panda on July 07, 2026, 01:12:56 PMOverall a great ride with great pieces. Onto the Copa with king BJ at the helm :-)

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 07, 2026, 01:28:55 PM??? This isn't the pickleball thread???

Quote from: panda on July 07, 2026, 02:10:56 PMhttps://x.com/thesammahmood_/status/2074434672201785728?s=12

shout out tarragona/shoothoops

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 02:41:23 PMThat would have been spot on two or three World Cups ago. I'm not so sure that's the case today.
The large majority of USMNT players didn't go to college, and most of those who did were there for 1-2 years.

There are structural problems in how we develop soccer talent. I just don't think that problem is "too many future pros are focused on college." There's been a pretty notable shift away from that over the last decade.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 02:41:23 PMThat would have been spot on two or three World Cups ago. I'm not so sure that's the case today.
The large majority of USMNT players didn't go to college, and most of those who did were there for 1-2 years.

There are structural problems in how we develop soccer talent. I just don't think that problem is "too many future pros are focused on college." There's been a pretty notable shift away from that over the last decade.

Quote from: panda on July 07, 2026, 02:49:01 PM7 of the 26 players on the WC roster played college soccer. That's crazy.

QuoteA large percentage of high achieving young American players play at a low level of competition compared to their peers who are playing professionally with men. If a higher yield of those players play pro right away, this will increase depth and increase the level of play domestically. It won't happen overnight, but getting rid of the college soccer path and matching what the rest of the world does is absolutely part of the puzzle.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 07, 2026, 02:44:56 PMI don't think that's the point. I think the point is that a model that is set up primarily to get soccer players a college scholarship is not a great model for the development of the USMNT.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 03:21:44 PMThat's true, but ignores the reality that most future USMNT players abandon that model at a young age.
If you want to say that the system does a poor job of early identification of players who should develop outside that model, I agree! But the problem isn't that our best players are spending their key developmental years in college or on a college-focused track. Most of our best players are being yanked off that track in their early teens.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2026, 03:16:38 PMActually 8, but only half of them spent more than two years in college. Two of those four are goalies, and another (Ream) is by far the oldest.
It's not a common development path any more for high-level players.

I don't really disagree, but good luck convincing fringe players (or their parents) to abandon opportunities to attend Stanford, UCLA, Harvard or Virginia so they can go play in an academy where less than 1% of participants make it to the professional ranks.

Quote from: panda on July 07, 2026, 02:10:56 PMhttps://x.com/thesammahmood_/status/2074434672201785728?s=12

shout out tarragona/shoothoops

Quote from: panda on July 07, 2026, 01:12:56 PMAfter a day to think on it, what a disappointing finish to what was such a fun ride this WC. I agree with Sultan based purely on results this is no different than other runs, but the style of play and home crowds made this special IMO.

Howeva - the game last night was a complete and utter embarrassment. I don't know if we're much better than Belgium but gifting four goals to your opponent doesn't say your opponent is head and shoulders above you. It says you played like garbage.

Dest was horribly wasteful going forward and directly responsible for the first goal. Ream was a statue all game and directly responsible for the second goal. Freese made some good saves but that mistake he made is atrocious and should never happen. Poor Chris Richards had such a good tournament but his mistake gifted Lukaku #4. Belgium didn't win this we lost with horrible mistakes.

Freeman played poorly yesterday but ultimately had a great tournament. Mckennie, Adams, Tillman and Balogun all improved or validated their stock value.

Pulisic...Horrible tournament aside from the first 45 minutes of the Paraguay game. Made of glass, zero impact whatsoever and comes out after the game last night saying his injury will give him time to rest. SMH - Horrible mentality for a player coming off a very poor club season. He'll be back in MLS in a year.

Overall a great ride with great pieces. Onto the Copa with king BJ at the helm :-)

*edit

Real legend calls out Pulisic
https://x.com/sydneyleroux/status/2074539612467298562?s=46

Quote from: pbiflyer on July 07, 2026, 05:02:46 PMMaybe AI will save our soccer program.


The winner of every Round of 16 game so far has been the country with the highest unemployment rate for men aged 15-24

https://x.com/f_edits/status/2074559667825516609?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 07, 2026, 05:55:27 PMthe Swiss win in PKs. I'm neutral on the outcome.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 07, 2026, 05:01:45 PMYou know more about soccer than me and watch way more than me, but as someone with not much knowledge on the sport or tactics involved, Belgium certainly appeared head and shoulders better than the US last night to me. Of course the US gave away a few goals, but Belgium also created a few opportunities that they didn't convert on, particularly early. The 4-1 score felt about right.

(Admittedly, I did miss the first 10 or so minutes of the second half.)

Quote from: wadesworld on July 07, 2026, 05:01:45 PMYou know more about soccer than me and watch way more than me, but as someone with not much knowledge on the sport or tactics involved, Belgium certainly appeared head and shoulders better than the US last night to me. Of course the US gave away a few goals, but Belgium also created a few opportunities that they didn't convert on, particularly early. The 4-1 score felt about right.

(Admittedly, I did miss the first 10 or so minutes of the second half.)

Quote from: panda on July 07, 2026, 09:27:06 PMYou see it often in knockout/1 off games where one team looks better but the opponent is resolute defending and can nick a goal against the run of play.

If option A isn't working, good teams can always sink back, absorb pressure and wait for their moment.

I still believe the US is capable of doing that but the team had so many uncharacteristic mistakes last night.

Same thing as the ncaa tournament, you don't have to be the better team on the night, but you need to stay in the game to win. Self inflicted mistakes killed us, not the quality of Belgium.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 10:53:37 AMBelgium is light years ahead of the US. Our entire men's system is broken. It is set up for the rich kids to succeed. If your family doesn't have $25,000 per year for all of the club play, you are basically left outside the system.

The US is a lower tier team. Winning a round of 32 game is their ceiling.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 10:53:37 AMBelgium is light years ahead of the US. Our entire men's system is broken. It is set up for the rich kids to succeed. If your family doesn't have $25,000 per year for all of the club play, you are basically left outside the system.

The US is a lower tier team. Winning a round of 32 game is their ceiling.

Quote from: panda on July 08, 2026, 11:11:41 AMThe clown with yet another clown take. Belgium is marginally, not light years ahead of us.

Belgium finishes in the last 5 world cups
2026 quarters (not beating Spain)
2022 grouped
2018 3rd
2014 quarters
2010 didn't qualify

Belgium finishes last 5 euros
2024 round of 16
2020 quarters
2016 quarters
2012 dnq
2008 dnq

France, Spain and Argentina are light years ahead. Belgium...not

Come correct next time clown

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 10:53:37 AMBelgium is light years ahead of the US. Our entire men's system is broken. It is set up for the rich kids to succeed. If your family doesn't have $25,000 per year for all of the club play, you are basically left outside the system.

The US is a lower tier team. Winning a round of 32 game is their ceiling.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 11:46:53 AMRather than frame it in terms of rich kids, I should have said that our current system eliminates most poor kids.

My daughter has another friends whose daughter was good enough to participate in Olympic trials for US team and spent a couple years playing overseas. If you don't think that it is a very expensive process to get to that point, there is nothing more I can say.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 11:49:00 AMOK. So we got destroyed by a marginal team. That makes your argument even more ridiculous.

Quote from: panda on July 08, 2026, 12:08:57 PMNo clown - we self imploded against a team who is not light years ahead of us.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 08, 2026, 12:15:13 PMWhich happens in all sports. It's like saying NC State was light years ahead of MU in 2024.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 07, 2026, 05:55:27 PMthe Swiss win in PKs. I'm neutral on the outcome.

Quote from: MU82 on July 08, 2026, 01:18:54 PMDuring regulation time, the best of the Swiss knifed through the Colombia defense. Then came the penalty kicks; after a Swiss miss or two, they came through like clockwork.

Quote from: MU82 on July 08, 2026, 01:18:54 PMDuring regulation time, the best of the Swiss knifed through the Colombia defense. Then came the penalty kicks; after a Swiss miss or two, they came through like clockwork.

Quote from: MU82 on July 08, 2026, 01:18:54 PMDuring regulation time, the best of the Swiss knifed through the Colombia defense. Then came the penalty kicks; after a Swiss miss or two, they came through like clockwork.

Quote from: panda on July 08, 2026, 12:08:57 PMNo clown - we self imploded against a team who is not light years ahead of us.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 08, 2026, 12:15:13 PMWhich happens in all sports. It's like saying NC State was light years ahead of MU in 2024.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 02:23:10 PMExcept MU won a couple years later. The US team is not even in the same universe as most Euro teams.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 02:20:09 PMAh. The same way we implode every time on the World stage.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 08, 2026, 11:56:48 AMYou're not wrong, but it's hardly exclusive to soccer.
Travel soccer costs are a pittance compared to hockey, and they're no worse than the costs of high-level youth volleyball, football, baseball, golf, swimming, tennis, etc. Even basketball is expensive, unless you're good enough for a program that gets shoe money.
Pay-for-play absolutely is part of the problem, but it's not THE problem.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 08, 2026, 02:37:09 PMWhat did MU win a couple of years later?

And sorry, you're wrong. They aren't in the universe of the top Euro teams. And even then they managed world cup draws against England in 2010 and 2022 in the world cup. Drew Portugal in 2014 and dominated that match.

Spain, France -- leagues ahead of us.
England, Portugal, Germany -- better than us but we can and have compete against them. 3 draws in four tries against them in the last four world cups.
Everyone else (basically) - at or near our level.

Terrible performance at a terrible time. That's it.

Quote from: jesmu84 on July 08, 2026, 08:32:06 PMThe hockey comparison is interesting to me considering how good the US is on the global stage for hockey.

I assume that's more of a function of less global competition, but not sure

Quote from: BM1090 on July 08, 2026, 02:37:09 PMWhat did MU win a couple of years later?

Quote from: BM1090 on July 08, 2026, 02:37:09 PMEngland, Portugal, Germany -- better than us but we can and have compete against them. 3 draws in four tries against them in the last four world cups.
Everyone else (basically) - at or near our level.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 09:55:37 PMMu won free fries from McDonalds. ::)  ::)  ::) Are you really this ignorant?

So you have us as high as 6th in the world? After probably the worst spanking of the entire tournament to a team who is no better than us, we obviously need an investigation into whether they lost the game on purpose.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 09, 2026, 08:53:03 AMI'm admittedly not a soccer fan, world cup bandwagoner. So I'm open to being wrong. But I'm struggling with this. "Compete with them" to me means that we are near a .500 record or better with them and it certainly doesn't seem like that's the case.

Since 1985:
France 0-1-1
Argentina 2-4-2
Spain 1-3-0
England 1-5-2
Brazil 1-17-1
Morocco 1-3
Portugal 2-3-3
Belgium 0-7-0
Mexico 23-16-13
Columbia 2-14-4
Germany 4-9
Croatia 0-0-0
Switzerland 1-4-4
Italy 1-4-2

In the current top 15 of the FIFA rankings, we have a winning record against Mexico and a tie record against Croatia (who we've never played). Everyone else has a winning record against us, with some teams like Brazil, Columbia, and Belgium dominating the series. What evidence is there that we are only far behind France and Spain, competitive with Portugal, Germany, and England, and basically on level with everyone else?

Quote from: Pakuni on July 08, 2026, 10:13:59 PMI'm sure that's part of it.
Also imagine that some of the reasons hockey is expensive and exclusionary here - namely the cost of ice time and equipment- make it expensive and exclusionary in other hockey-playing countries.

Quote from: Jockey on July 08, 2026, 09:55:37 PMMu won free fries from McDonalds. ::)  ::)  ::) Are you really this ignorant?

So you have us as high as 6th in the world? After probably the worst spanking of the entire tournament to a team who is no better than us, we obviously need an investigation into whether they lost the game on purpose.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 09, 2026, 08:53:03 AMI'm admittedly not a soccer fan, world cup bandwagoner. So I'm open to being wrong. But I'm struggling with this. "Compete with them" to me means that we are near a .500 record or better with them and it certainly doesn't seem like that's the case.

Since 1985:
France 0-1-1
Argentina 2-4-2
Spain 1-3-0
England 1-5-2
Brazil 1-17-1
Morocco 1-3
Portugal 2-3-3
Belgium 0-7-0
Mexico 23-16-13
Columbia 2-14-4
Germany 4-9
Croatia 0-0-0
Switzerland 1-4-4
Italy 1-4-2

In the current top 15 of the FIFA rankings, we have a winning record against Mexico and a tie record against Croatia (who we've never played). Everyone else has a winning record against us, with some teams like Brazil, Columbia, and Belgium dominating the series. What evidence is there that we are only far behind France and Spain, competitive with Portugal, Germany, and England, and basically on level with everyone else?

Quote from: JWags85 on July 09, 2026, 10:10:37 AMSince 1985 might as well be comparing 2 different sports.  As late as the 1994 World Cup in the US, you had 80% of the roster who didn't even play professional soccer.  Guys who became household names for soccer fans like Cobi Jones, Claudio Reyna, and everyone's favorite Lalas...were unattached former college players who wouldn't sign professional contracts until after the success of the 94 WC.  Its crazy to think, but it wasn't until the late 90s that the US national team was full of professional players and was more like the smaller countries where players had full time jobs and played soccer on the side.
Also, despite the fact that is clearly #4 in the major sports hierarchy in the US, the best hockey league in the world is still in the US.  I think that matters.  Proximity and facilities and culture around the NHL benefits the US greatly compared to other nations where hockey is more of a priority.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 09, 2026, 10:25:29 AMI'm just talking about current team strength and responding to Jockey's words specifically. If you're looking at history we're obviously well behind. In the future we will probably be well behind too unless we overhaul our development model.

At this tournament the only teams that I'd put well above us were France and Spain. England and Argentina too but a level below the other two. And maybe Colombia, but I haven't got to watch them much in the last couple months

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 09, 2026, 11:01:35 AMGot it. Is there any evidence for this or is it an eye test thing? Because since Poch took over, it seems like we have dominated teams outside the top 45 (10-0-0), been competitive with teams between 15 and 45 (8-5-1), and have been trounced by the top 15 (0-7-0). Of those 7 top 15 losses, 5 were by multiple goals, 3 of them by 3 or more.

Wins
#17 Japan
#18 Senegal
#20 Uruguay
#28 Australia x2
#34 Paraguay X2
#44 Panama
#47 Venezuela
#51 Costa Rica x2
#58 Saudi Arabia
#61 Bosnia & Herzegovina
#71 Jamaica x2
#88 Haiti
#97 Guatemala
#102 Trinidad & Tobago

Losses
#7 Portugal
#8 Belgium x2
#10 Mexico x2
#12 Germany
#14 Switzerland
#27 Turkey x2
#30 Canada
#32 South Korea
#44 Panama

Draw
#25 Ecuador

Again, others in this thread are way better judges than I am. I just want to understand why we are so certain that this team could compete with anyone outside of France and Spain, but the results have been nothing but losses against the top tier.

Quote from: Jockey on July 09, 2026, 12:33:51 PMMen's soccer needs to develop players at the college level. Use it as a minor league like the top 3 sports do.

Women's soccer does this, but the men have mostly resisted it.

It's not necessary in the rest of the world where soccer is the dominant sport, but here they are in competition with several other sports- not for dominance, but to be #4.

The women recognize this and use college sports to build the vast majority of their team.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 09, 2026, 11:39:01 AMI sort of alluded to this earlier, but its part of the reason when friendlies can be so hard to gauge (both good and bad).  I had pretty low expectations for the US (and Poch) due to the friendlies and other matches.  But once the rosters/lineups came out and we saw the first matches (both Senegal in the final warm up and Paraguay), it was a completely different mentality and realization of level.

So some of it is indeed eye test, but also assessing data/results with context.  For example, the US lost 4-0 to Switzerland last year with a starting 11 that featured 1 player (Berhalter) that got meaningful minutes in the WC.

Quote from: Jockey on July 09, 2026, 12:33:51 PMMen's soccer needs to develop players at the college level. Use it as a minor league like the top 3 sports do.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 09, 2026, 12:40:27 PMThis. And they lost to Belgium the first time with about half the starters sitting and playing a different formation. And Turkey they rested 9 starters.

The first four games of the world cup were incredibly impressive. They were dominating teams in a way that's usually reserved for the elite programs. Unfortunately, they looked completely unready for the moment against Belgium. I don't think it was a talent or tactics thing, they just looked like a team that'd never been there.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2026, 01:01:08 PMYeah...and I kinda feel like Poch has escaped some criticism for this.

Quote from: tower912 on July 09, 2026, 01:32:57 PMPulisic broke his leg.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2026, 01:01:08 PMYeah...and I kinda feel like Poch has escaped some criticism for this.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2026, 01:00:20 PMThat may work to develop players for MLS, but that most certainly isn't going to work to develop a stronger USMNT.

Quote from: BM1090 on July 09, 2026, 12:40:27 PMThis. And they lost to Belgium the first time with about half the starters sitting and playing a different formation. And Turkey they rested 9 starters.

The first four games of the world cup were incredibly impressive. They were dominating teams in a way that's usually reserved for the elite programs. Unfortunately, they looked completely unready for the moment against Belgium. I don't think it was a talent or tactics thing, they just looked like a team that'd never been there.

Quote from: panda on July 09, 2026, 01:42:26 PMBone bruise  is a micro fracture - if the us won I doubt he would be able to play for the rest of the tournament but will be available for the start of club season.

Highly misleading to say he broke his leg

Quote from: Jockey on July 09, 2026, 02:29:11 PMYes. We should keep doing what we have been doing. Extremely successful.

Our population is 60 times that of Norway - yet they are much more successful in the sports they compete in. The 'process' is the reason.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 09, 2026, 03:05:12 PMThey dominated weak teams though. Bosnia and Herzegovina is 61 in the FIFA rankings (the 6th lowest in the entire tournament), Paraguay 41, Australia 27 and Turkey 33. It's like a Georgetown non-conference schedule - they beat the teams they should have but got exposed against a better team.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 09, 2026, 03:22:37 PMYes, but its also relevant to the relative severity for everyone who is saying Pulisic "quit" or is acting like he just rolled his ankle and gave up cause he's a wimp.  He's not above criticism, looked off his game every since he got the knock in the Paraguay match, and was too aloof in his post game interview...but people were comparing him and this injury to Dempsey breaking his nose for gods sakes. 

No, you're asking the US to keep doing what they've been doing.  You have no clue about high level international soccer and its painfully obvious yet you keep doubling down.  Until 15-20 years ago, good teenage players in the US played HS soccer and club in the offseason.  Then they played in college and if they were really good, they left school early and got a pro contract.  So the majority of US players started playing soccer full time in their early 20s.  Meanwhile the rest of the world had their best players playing full time soccer since their early teens. 

The US finally started to adopt more of global approach with their best players and the US has seen their best performances and rankings ever on a regular basis.  But yea, sure, screw McKinnie and Richards and Pulisic and Adams, guys that were starters in top European leagues in their early 20s, at that age they should be developing at Indiana and UNC and Stanford playing with/against a bunch of guys who are a year or two away from working in an office.

Oh also, because you're fully drunk off of being an uninformed know-it-all...

"Our population is 60 times that of Norway - yet they are much more successful in the sports they compete in"

This is the first time Norway has qualified for the World Cup in 28 years.  The US has made the Round of 16 more times in the last 20 years than Norway has made World Cups...in their history.  The US hasn't lost to Norway since 1990. 

Norway made the quarterfinals cause they have the best striker in the world who is a generational talent.  This is the equivalent of whining about 20 years ago about Davidson being a "much more successful program" than Marquette cause of their E8 run with Steph Curry.

Quote from: Jockey on July 09, 2026, 02:29:11 PMYes. We should keep doing what we have been doing. Extremely successful.

Our population is 60 times that of Norway - yet they are much more successful in the sports they compete in. The 'process' is the reason.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2026, 04:09:34 PMThe reason that college works as a training ground for football and basketball is that the United States is the country where those sports have had a history of growing and excelling. Many college coaches have had access to the latest and greatest in teaching and training.

College soccer is a non-revenue sport, oftentime coached by low-paid individuals who have little access to modern techniques and strategy. It simply would be awful to retroactively lean on college soccer to train future USMNT players when it has a track record of not doing that.

Working with MLS to develop a more robust identification and training system, and making it more accessible financially to people, is the way to go here. Getting our best over to Europe where they can play at the highest levels is the way to give them more experience. 

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 09, 2026, 07:15:35 PMAnother big problem with college soccer is the limited time for training. 20 hours/week for 14 weeks during the fall. The coaches have been pushing a year round model for years and this legislative cycle it was finally moved forward to where it is actual submitted legislation. Meanwhile, in the overseas academies kids are training full-time and year round.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2026, 04:09:34 PMThe reason that college works as a training ground for football and basketball is that the United States is the country where those sports have had a history of growing and excelling. Many college coaches have had access to the latest and greatest in teaching and training.

College soccer is a non-revenue sport, oftentime coached by low-paid individuals who have little access to modern techniques and strategy. It simply would be awful to retroactively lean on college soccer to train future USMNT players when it has a track record of not doing that.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 10, 2026, 09:23:37 AMI also have no interest in overly crapting on college soccer in the US, but its also tactically so far away from the global game.  College soccer is a lot of long balls, send and chase, not a ton of possession/build up play.  There is a reason why even very good college players often can struggle adapting to even MLS, and its not just a skill gap issue.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 10, 2026, 09:25:36 AMAnd I am not crapting on them either. College soccer has its own goals and objectives. And at times, those are in conflict with the goals and objectives of the development of the USMNT, and that is absolutely fine.

Quote from: forgetful on July 10, 2026, 11:35:41 AMMen's college soccer is more likely to decline, and would never be organized enough to be a major benefit.

With most Universities heavily bankrupted by changes in athletics (i.e. pay for play), they are looking to cut programs and cut funding in most sports.

Women's soccer has worked because they invest in it to for Title IX reasons.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 10, 2026, 12:16:24 PMThere are only 212 Men's Soccer programs at D1 schools compared to 351 Women's programs.

Quote from: forgetful on July 10, 2026, 11:35:41 AMMen's college soccer is more likely to decline, and would never be organized enough to be a major benefit.

Quote from: Jockey on July 10, 2026, 01:23:03 PMUntil, that is, soccer becomes a major sport.

But, I don't think that will happen in my lifetime.

Quote from: tower912 on July 10, 2026, 04:04:17 PMAllow a rebound at the wrong time, go home.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 10, 2026, 04:16:22 PMAbsolutely brutal time to lose a top 5 world keeper with 4 WCs worth of experience.  That was literally the first ball/shot that Lammens faced.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 11, 2026, 07:04:10 AMJurgen Klopp is your new German national team manager.

Quote from: tower912 on July 11, 2026, 04:54:20 PMYou mean 'really good players scored exciting goals'.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2026, 05:22:28 PMThe defender lost focus on the cross.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2026, 06:12:16 PMHands of glass!  WTF?  Catch the ball.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 11, 2026, 06:48:16 PMProbably wouldn't have made a difference, but stopping play because Pickford collided with a teammate is a ridiculous decision.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2026, 06:51:23 PMIt changed everything. 

Quote from: The Sultan on July 11, 2026, 06:57:16 PMIt didn't really change much.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2026, 09:35:58 PMThat was a ludicrous call.  Brutal. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 11, 2026, 09:35:58 PMThat was a ludicrous call.  Brutal. 

Quote from: Jockey on July 13, 2026, 02:36:39 PMDecision to allow Balugon was even more corrupt than we thought.

Of course, anything Pedo Man touches is inherently crooked.

Quote from: panda on July 13, 2026, 04:27:01 PMPolitics @rocky_warrior

Quote from: Jockey on July 13, 2026, 09:51:08 PMWek minded little snowflake.

Quote from: Jockey on July 13, 2026, 09:51:08 PMWek minded little snowflake.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 12, 2026, 09:08:54 AMIt sounds like the best 4 teams are remaining.  I'm no expert but France seems like they're clearly the best of the bunch.  Although I suppose anything can happen. 

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 14, 2026, 04:01:42 PMHeads will roll in Paris tonight.

Happy Bastille Day

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 14, 2026, 04:16:29 PMSeems fair to me. It would serve as motivation for the next French team to win or else.

All Shaka does is deny the guys milkshakes.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 14, 2026, 04:24:59 AMNo, people just get tired of your simplistic political "points." They're neither clever nor insightful.

Quote from: Jockey on July 15, 2026, 11:02:41 AMGlad you noticed. I value brevity, sarcasm, and simplicity on Scoop.  If I want to discuss issues, I talk to my friends and acquaintances.

You, on the other hand, just want to argue and press your points over and over again.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2026, 03:24:53 PMAnthony Gordon being a hero was not on many's Bingo board.

As amazing as that goal was, the Djed Spence tackle a few min later was UNREAL.  That was as electric and "jump out of your seat" worthy as you'd get from a defensive play