Let's keep proclaiming that the United States is a "Christian nation," and let's keep vilifying those who aren't Christian, especially Muslims.
We need more deadly, hate-motivated attacks on mosques. Gotta thin the Islam herd!
We also need more people to be able to easily get their hands on guns. Every teenager should have access to 'em, because guns are making America great again.
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2026, 09:56:06 AMLet's keep proclaiming that the United States is a "Christian nation," and let's keep vilifying those who aren't Christian, especially Muslims.
We need more deadly, hate-motivated attacks on mosques. Gotta thin the Islam herd!
We also need more people to be able to easily get their hands on guns. Every teenager should have access to 'em, because guns are making America great again.
It's their own fault for being in America. - Larry Loomer
https://x.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/2056537115698020845
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 19, 2026, 10:01:31 AMIt's their own fault for being in America. - Larry Loomer
https://x.com/JamesSurowiecki/status/2056537115698020845
There is no penalty in American anymore for being openly racist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-Semitic, being an islamaphobe, sexist, etc.
It's fully embraced from the top of the American government on down to the lowest rungs of society. We're a failed experiment.
America has never reckoned with its original sin. The refusal to acknowledge it, the refusal to deal with it, and the refusal to accept it as fact has been the kindling to this fire.
Won't someone think about how this affects the Jews https://x.com/mqudsi/status/2056478221604888578?s=46
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2026, 10:47:26 AMThere is no penalty in American anymore for being openly racist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-Semitic, being an islamaphobe, sexist, etc.
Etc., including the beta cucks on this website calling people nazis, gestapo, etc. Shameful!
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 19, 2026, 12:16:32 PMEtc., including the beta cucks on this website calling people nazis, gestapo, etc. Shameful!
Do beta cucks play pickleball and order meals via the mail?
Basically, you're agreeing I'm right.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2026, 10:47:26 AMThere is no penalty in American anymore for being openly racist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-Semitic, being an islamaphobe, sexist, etc.
Forget penalty, it's an enormous money-making scheme.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 19, 2026, 12:16:32 PMEtc., including the beta cucks on this website calling people nazis, gestapo, etc. Shameful!
When it acts like a Nazi, uses the same language and propaganda as a Nazi, calls for the same policies as a Nazi, dresses up like a Nazi, and says Nazis were the good guys...it's a Nazi.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 19, 2026, 03:22:57 PMWhen it acts like a Nazi, uses the same language and propaganda as a Nazi, calls for the same policies as a Nazi, dresses up like a Nazi, and says Nazis were the good guys...it's a Nazi.
Blood on your gardening hands!
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 19, 2026, 03:19:55 PMForget penalty, it's an enormous money-making scheme.
Fox News wouldn't be where it is today without its built in hate machine of minorities, immigrants, LGBTQ, Muslims, etc.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 19, 2026, 04:21:32 PMBlood on your gardening hands!
If "It's bad to call out Nazis for being Nazis, actually" is the hill you're going to defend, that's on you Pickle boy.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/a0/8d/rsPBj2hu_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/rsPBj2hu)
Really isn't fair to the OG Nazis.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 19, 2026, 11:25:07 AMWon't someone think about how this affects the Jews https://x.com/mqudsi/status/2056478221604888578?s=46
why wouldn't it be? A school building filled with children next door during a religiously motivated attack is news. The Horseshoe Theory strikes again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHOJCbRJu28
Quote from: tower912 on May 19, 2026, 05:06:58 PMReally isn't fair to the OG Nazis.
Yeah, Hitler would be pizzed that those the Gestapo executed in Minneapolis weren't Jews or Black people.
Also, JB needs to have a stern word with JD - the guy who coined the nickname "America's Hitler" for the fascist who would go on to preside over the executions of Alex Pretti and Renee Good.
From AP:
The teenagers who killed three people at a San Diego mosque met online and shared a "broad hatred" toward different religions and races, Mark Remily of the FBI said during a news conference Tuesday.
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2026, 06:56:29 PMFrom AP:
The teenagers who killed three people at a San Diego mosque met online and shared a "broad hatred" toward different religions and races, Mark Remily of the FBI said during a news conference Tuesday.
hatred of different religions. Not in America:
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/politics-and-elections/house-candidate-maureen-galindo-pledges-to-send-american-zionists-to-internment-camp/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/san-diego-mosque-attack-heightens-fears-as-anti-islam-rhetoric-rises-in-u-s
It's what unites the left and the right.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 19, 2026, 12:16:32 PMEtc., including the beta cucks on this website calling people nazis, gestapo, etc. Shameful!
Maybe you shouldn't say nazi like things if you dont want to be called a nazi?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2026, 01:20:41 PMDo beta cucks play pickleball and order meals via the mail?
Basically, you're agreeing I'm right.
100%
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 19, 2026, 08:07:56 PMhatred of different religions. Not in America:
https://www.sacurrent.com/news/politics-and-elections/house-candidate-maureen-galindo-pledges-to-send-american-zionists-to-internment-camp/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/san-diego-mosque-attack-heightens-fears-as-anti-islam-rhetoric-rises-in-u-s
It's what unites the left and the right.
I'm not sure I'd equate a kook in a congressional race already being denounced by the local party for the insane comments with the active baseline position for the national leading party currently
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2026, 06:56:29 PMFrom AP:
The teenagers who killed three people at a San Diego mosque met online and shared a "broad hatred" toward different religions and races, Mark Remily of the FBI said during a news conference Tuesday.
Ope, this sure sounds like an attempt to reign in the internet now.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 19, 2026, 08:37:02 PMOpe, this sure sounds like an attempt to reign in the internet now.
Pronouns?
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2026, 05:30:12 PMYeah, Hitler would be pizzed that those the Gestapo executed in Minneapolis weren't Jews or Black people.
Nah, Hitler also had plenty of intellectuals, artists, scientists, disabled people, and gays killed as well--basically anyone was a target if they weren't 1940s MAGA, errrr Nazi.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 19, 2026, 09:08:23 PMNah, Hitler also had plenty of intellectuals, artists, scientists, disabled people, and gays killed as well--basically anyone was a target if they weren't 1940s MAGA, errrr Nazi.
Hitler's dentist was trained at UPenn. Makes u think.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 19, 2026, 12:16:32 PMEtc., including the beta cucks on this website calling people nazis, gestapo, etc. Shameful!
Are you worried people will attack American Nazis? You prefer to protect them?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 19, 2026, 12:16:32 PMEtc., including the beta cucks on this website calling people nazis, gestapo, etc. Shameful!
But let's not call them Nazis!
San Diego mosque shooters left document revealing racist, neo-Nazi beliefshttps://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/san-diego-mosque-shooters-neo-nazi-beliefs/
"Their screed suggests the teenagers targeted a mosque because they believed Muslim people were "invaders" in the United States. "I don't hate Muslims, at least not really. What I do hate is the religion of Islam itself and what I hate more than that is seeing them here, invading my country," Vazquez wrote. "They must be isolated and exterminated," Cain argued in his portion of the document."
Ed: I don't know where they could possibly have gotten such ideas.
"In their document, the shooters referenced specific racist conspiracy theories that have been promoted by the White House. For example, in a section titled "Mass Immigration and its Consequences," they repeated the claim — originally made in a video created by a far-right livestreamer in December 2025, and reposted and praised by Vice President JD Vance on X — that Somali immigrants in Minnesota are defrauding the government out of millions of dollars.[5] In the document written by Vazquez and Clark, Vazquez cited the alleged fraud as evidence that immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime (the opposite is true) and "DO. NOT. F...ING. BELONG. HERE."[6]
Rampant anti-Muslim fearmongering has come from federal elected officials. Members of Congress have introduced nearly half a dozen bills opposing so-called "Sharia law" within the past year. In December 2025, U.S. Reps. Keith Self and Chip Roy announced the creation of the Sharia-Free America Caucus. In April, Self wrote on X that the caucus had 65 members. "DEFEND THE WEST," he wrote.[9]
In March, U.S. Rep. Randy Fine posted on X, "We need more Islamophobia, not less. Fear of Islam is natural." The same month, Rep. Brandon Gill stated that "Importing Islam will annihilate America as we know it."[10] Sen. Tommy Tuberville consistently criticizes "Radical Islam," which he calls "INCOMPATIBLE with our Western values."[11]"
Ed: Oh. Right.
"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield.
Clark and Vazquez also appear to have drawn significant inspiration from a decentralized network that promoted white supremacist terrorism known as the "Terrorgram Collective," according to the document they published online and social media accounts tied to them.
The "Terrorgram Collective" is a loose network of content creators, primarily on the social media app Telegram."
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 27, 2026, 08:12:49 AMBut let's not call them Nazis!
San Diego mosque shooters left document revealing racist, neo-Nazi beliefs
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/san-diego-mosque-shooters-neo-nazi-beliefs/
I guess I shouldn't be surprised the SPLC would ignore the rest of the groups these cretins were targeting (including one in particular). They hated everyone:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/05/san-diego-mosque-shooters-incels-muslims-jews-women.html
"They didn't discriminate on who they hated," Mark Remer, the FBI special agent in charge, told reporters last week. "It covered a wide aspect of races and religions."
It's true that the manifesto covers many different races and religions. But the men zeroed in on two groups with particular rage: Jews and women.
"After the Jew, the most evil creature in the world is the woman," the manifesto says. "This is because after Jews, women tend to cause all the problems in the world."
Did they go to an Ivy or donate to Chris Rabb and listen to Hasan Piker?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 27, 2026, 08:12:49 AMBut let's not call them Nazis!
San Diego mosque shooters left document revealing racist, neo-Nazi beliefs
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/san-diego-mosque-shooters-neo-nazi-beliefs/
"Their screed suggests the teenagers targeted a mosque because they believed Muslim people were "invaders" in the United States. "I don't hate Muslims, at least not really. What I do hate is the religion of Islam itself and what I hate more than that is seeing them here, invading my country," Vazquez wrote. "They must be isolated and exterminated," Cain argued in his portion of the document."
Ed: I don't know where they could possibly have gotten such ideas.
"In their document, the shooters referenced specific racist conspiracy theories that have been promoted by the White House. For example, in a section titled "Mass Immigration and its Consequences," they repeated the claim — originally made in a video created by a far-right livestreamer in December 2025, and reposted and praised by Vice President JD Vance on X — that Somali immigrants in Minnesota are defrauding the government out of millions of dollars.[5] In the document written by Vazquez and Clark, Vazquez cited the alleged fraud as evidence that immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime (the opposite is true) and "DO. NOT. F...ING. BELONG. HERE."[6]
Rampant anti-Muslim fearmongering has come from federal elected officials. Members of Congress have introduced nearly half a dozen bills opposing so-called "Sharia law" within the past year. In December 2025, U.S. Reps. Keith Self and Chip Roy announced the creation of the Sharia-Free America Caucus. In April, Self wrote on X that the caucus had 65 members. "DEFEND THE WEST," he wrote.[9]
In March, U.S. Rep. Randy Fine posted on X, "We need more Islamophobia, not less. Fear of Islam is natural." The same month, Rep. Brandon Gill stated that "Importing Islam will annihilate America as we know it."[10] Sen. Tommy Tuberville consistently criticizes "Radical Islam," which he calls "INCOMPATIBLE with our Western values."[11]"
Ed: Oh. Right.
"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield.
Clark and Vazquez also appear to have drawn significant inspiration from a decentralized network that promoted white supremacist terrorism known as the "Terrorgram Collective," according to the document they published online and social media accounts tied to them.
The "Terrorgram Collective" is a loose network of content creators, primarily on the social media app Telegram."
It's a real mystery how these beliefs have gone mainstream and been adopted by a political party
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 08:55:11 AMIt's a real mystery how these beliefs have gone mainstream and been adopted by a political party
"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield."Graham Plattner supporters?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 09:36:44 AM
"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield."
Graham Plattner supporters?
Could be
The GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate in Texas has been indicted on charges of felony securities fraud. He's been impeached, too — with votes from members of his own party — on allegations of bribery, dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice and abuse of the public trust. He's also been accused of adultery by his wife of 38 years, who filed for divorce "on biblical grounds."
No wonder he received der Fuhrer's enthusiastic endorsement.
Ah yes, a shining example of 'only the best people'...
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 10:20:25 AMThe GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate in Texas has been indicted on charges of felony securities fraud. He's been impeached, too — with votes from members of his own party — on allegations of bribery, dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice and abuse of the public trust. He's also been accused of adultery by his wife of 38 years, who filed for divorce "on biblical grounds."
No wonder he received der Fuhrer's enthusiastic endorsement.
At least he didn't ask for Dijon mustard
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 10:20:25 AMThe GOP candidate for the U.S. Senate in Texas has been indicted on charges of felony securities fraud. He's been impeached, too — with votes from members of his own party — on allegations of bribery, dereliction of duty, obstruction of justice and abuse of the public trust. He's also been accused of adultery by his wife of 38 years, who filed for divorce "on biblical grounds."
No wonder he received der Fuhrer's enthusiastic endorsement.
^^^ ban
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 09:36:44 AM
"The shooters were inspired by leaders and figureheads associated with the now defunct neo-Nazi group Atomwaffen Division, according to their social media posts that Hatewatch reviewed. In a video of the attack, one appeared to wear a patch bearing the group's logo — a black-and-white radiation trefoil on a shield."
Graham Plattner supporters?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 08:42:17 AMI guess I shouldn't be surprised the SPLC would ignore the rest of the groups these cretins were targeting (including one in particular). They hated everyone:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2026/05/san-diego-mosque-shooters-incels-muslims-jews-women.html
"They didn't discriminate on who they hated," Mark Remer, the FBI special agent in charge, told reporters last week. "It covered a wide aspect of races and religions."
It's true that the manifesto covers many different races and religions. But the men zeroed in on two groups with particular rage: Jews and women.
"After the Jew, the most evil creature in the world is the woman," the manifesto says. "This is because after Jews, women tend to cause all the problems in the world."
Did they go to an Ivy or donate to Chris Rabb and listen to Hasan Piker?
Where are you going with this?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 27, 2026, 05:34:37 PMWhere are you going with this?
that this wasn't as much a crime centered on Islamophobia (what SPLC only cares about), but rather the overall hatred being spewed across the spectrum that is dehumanizing marginalized groups, especially Jews (from the left), Muslims (from the right), and women (from the right). This wasn't a politically motivated crime; they wanted to kill anyone not like them.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 07:34:29 PMthat this wasn't as much a crime centered on Islamophobia (what SPLC only cares about), but rather the overall hatred being spewed across the spectrum that is dehumanizing marginalized groups, especially Jews (from the left), Muslims (from the right), and women (from the right). This wasn't a politically motivated crime; they wanted to kill anyone not like them.
The left hates Jews?
Quote from: jesmu84 on May 27, 2026, 08:07:35 PMThe left hates Jews?
The far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 07:34:29 PMthat this wasn't as much a crime centered on Islamophobia (what SPLC only cares about), but rather the overall hatred being spewed across the spectrum that is dehumanizing marginalized groups, especially Jews (from the left), Muslims (from the right), and women (from the right). This wasn't a politically motivated crime; they wanted to kill anyone not like them.
I don't think anyone's debating that these freaks hate Jews/muslims/women but they shot up a mosque. Hence that specific focus. Modern neo Nazis hate pretty much everyone.
And if you think antisemitism is only coming from the left, and Islamophobia only from the right I think you're entrenched into some siloed information gathering.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 09:00:17 PMThe far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.
Very incorrect.
American Gestapo injuring citizens
https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3mmv6laq3j22h
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 28, 2026, 01:39:07 AMI don't think anyone's debating that these freaks hate Jews/muslims/women but they shot up a mosque. Hence that specific focus. Modern neo Nazis hate pretty much everyone.
And if you think antisemitism is only coming from the left, and Islamophobia only from the right I think you're entrenched into some siloed information gathering.
As I said, the far left and far right have much more in common when it comes to Jews than they are willing to acknowledge (horseshoe theory). Look at the college campuses back in October 2023. The right always targeted Jews (see: Charlottesville) but the far left joined up during that time.
I haven't seen the open hate of Muslims from the left, however.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 09:00:17 PMThe far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.
I think it is pretty easy, unfortunately, to conflate the terrible actions of Netanyahu and the hard right extremists in Israel conducting ethnic cleansing with Jews in general, particularly on the surface.
Just like it is pretty easy, unfortunately, for the rest of the world to conflate what's being done by Trump and the hard right extremists here in our name.
As an American Jew with an Orthodox Jewish brother who lives in Tel Aviv, I reject the notion that criticizing the Israeli government's policies - especially those related to the atrocities in Gaza - is "antisemitic."
Are some of the critics antisemites? Quite possible, even likely. But to label all (or even most) critics of what Bibi's doing antisemites is really something. I mean, many American Jews criticize Bibi; does that make these Jews anti-Jewish?
Having said that, there is a real and growing problem with actual antisemitism - more and more people in America and around the world are openly expressing hatred for Jews just for being Jewish. And sometimes, that hatred is expressed violently.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 28, 2026, 08:57:23 AMAs I said, the far left and far right have much more in common when it comes to Jews than they are willing to acknowledge (horseshoe theory). Look at the college campuses back in October 2023. The right always targeted Jews (see: Charlottesville) but the far left joined up during that time.
I haven't seen the open hate of Muslims from the left, however.
That's fair. There's a lot of people who have taken a rightful criticism of an out of control rogue state and conflated it with "all people associated with the religion of this country are horrible people". Lots of absolutes from people these days.
Apologies if I came off as dismissive, I am just cautious on both sidesing these days because of its wholly often bad faith unbalanced nature with many people.
but I think you have considered this thoughtfully upon your explanations.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 28, 2026, 09:58:27 AMThat's fair. There's a lot of people who have taken a rightful criticism of an out of control rogue state and conflated it with "all people associated with the religion of this country are horrible people". Lots of absolutes from people these days.
That's what I was trying to say, but not as eloquently.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 28, 2026, 08:57:23 AMAs I said, the far left and far right have much more in common when it comes to Jews than they are willing to acknowledge (horseshoe theory). Look at the college campuses back in October 2023. The right always targeted Jews (see: Charlottesville) but the far left joined up during that time.
I haven't seen the open hate of Muslims from the left, however.
Pure fantasy. No one on the left (that I am aware of) hates Jewish people. They dislike (rightfully so) Israel. It is very easy to separate the two, and there is a segment of the population that likes to say that they are inseparable, and disliking Israel's actions is inherently antisemitic. It isn't.
I'd love for you to show me some examples of leftists saying they hate Jewish people.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 27, 2026, 09:00:17 PMThe far left progressives and the MAGA right are discovering they have more in common than they'd like to admit when it comes to Jewish people.
Can you share far left progressives hating Jews? And not criticizing Israel or being anti-zionist?
Huh.
https://www.npr.org/2026/05/27/nx-s1-5835586/san-diego-mosque-anti-women
The war on women is raging at the moment and being fought by belligerents in public office. Undeniable facts.
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 09:11:32 AMAs an American Jew with an Orthodox Jewish brother who lives in Tel Aviv, I reject the notion that criticizing the Israeli government's policies - especially those related to the atrocities in Gaza - is "antisemitic."
Are some of the critics antisemites? Quite possible, even likely. But to label all (or even most) critics of what Bibi's doing antisemites is really something. I mean, many American Jews criticize Bibi; does that make these Jews anti-Jewish?
Having said that, there is a real and growing problem with actual antisemitism - more and more people in America and around the world are openly expressing hatred for Jews just for being Jewish. And sometimes, that hatred is expressed violently.
I agree 100% with the criticism of Israel point. Unfortunately, it seems like the criticism of Israel has opened up the ability to be openly antisemitic and engage in hatred and violence against Jews.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 29, 2026, 09:42:00 AMI agree 100% with the criticism of Israel point. Unfortunately, it seems like the criticism of Israel has opened up the ability to be openly antisemitic and engage in hatred and violence against Jews.
Examples, please. Not just a media narrative that is being pushed.
Don't call them Nazi's!
https://bsky.app/profile/jtischauser.bsky.social/post/3mmyw4pvaj22t
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 29, 2026, 01:35:12 PMDon't call them Nazi's!
https://bsky.app/profile/jtischauser.bsky.social/post/3mmyw4pvaj22t
Bee Jay is clutching his pearls at such slander
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 29, 2026, 09:42:56 AMExamples, please. Not just a media narrative that is being pushed.
The examples lie in the comment sections and the replies of the most maladjusted fans of the stated examples. As we know Twitter and the like is a cesspool.
This of course does not mean Piker and the like are openly antisemitic like is being pushed, rather it's projecting the lunatics in that area of fandom into the main representation of their views. (And also a useful position to take as a centrist trying to depress the left flank).
this portrayal is similar to Muggsy saying you can't care about Gaza if you haven't denounced every single global atrocity, but there can't be a denial that Israel's batcrap insanity has manifested in projecting its actions onto all American Jews condoning it. (But do you denounce Hamas?)
America has and continues to have an antisemitism problem. However this problem is being co-opted to weaponize against prominent voices on the left.
And it doesn't really matter if they denounce the most extreme positions of their fans, it will never be enough.
The difference lies in separating condemning the nation vs projecting on the entire religion. (which piker has explained in detail many times!). This differs from the "wink wink" which I think is the important distinction between a Piker and a Tucker. But for the cynically opportunistic among us, it's the same because it's convenient to say so.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 29, 2026, 01:40:40 PMBee Jay is clutching his pearls at such slander
And the head Nazi in that group is the one who oversaw der Fuhrer's masked Gestapo murdering two innocent U.S. citizens in JB's town.
Bovino's only regret is that the Gestapo didn't execute more Twin Cities residents.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 29, 2026, 01:50:51 PMThe examples lie in the comment sections and the replies of the most maladjusted fans of the stated examples. As we know Twitter and the like is a cesspool.
This of course does not mean Piker and the like are openly antisemitic like is being pushed, rather it's projecting the lunatics in that area of fandom into the main representation of their views. (And also a useful position to take as a centrist trying to depress the left flank).
this portrayal is similar to Muggsy saying you can't care about Gaza if you haven't denounced every single global atrocity, but there can't be a denial that Israel's batcrap insanity has manifested in projecting its actions onto all American Jews condoning it. (But do you denounce Hamas?)
America has and continues to have an antisemitism problem. However this problem is being co-opted to weaponize against prominent voices on the left.
And it doesn't really matter if they denounce the most extreme positions of their fans, it will never be enough.
The difference lies in separating condemning the nation vs projecting on the entire religion. (which piker has explained in detail many times!). This differs from the "wink wink" which I think is the important distinction between a Piker and a Tucker. But for the cynically opportunistic among us, it's the same because it's convenient to say so.
Good overall post.
My quibble is "stated examples" in your first paragraph.
Billy hasn't stated any examples. He just says "far left progressives"
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 29, 2026, 01:35:12 PMDon't call them Nazi's!
https://bsky.app/profile/jtischauser.bsky.social/post/3mmyw4pvaj22t
Frankly, it's amazing he found a group that could make him look average height.
Nice job by Texas law-enforcement officials and officers. They tracked down and arrested a Gestapo ICE agent who shot a Venezuelan man (and lied about having done so) during der Fuhrer's Final Solution operation in the Twin Cities.
Quote from: jesmu84 on May 30, 2026, 07:31:28 AMGood overall post.
My quibble is "stated examples" in your first paragraph.
Billy hasn't stated any examples. He just says "far left progressives"
I was referring to what I have witnessed in the cesspool as stated examples. But yes there have not been specifics provided
Cooper Union - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTFrCwEePaM
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/nyregion/cooper-union-jewish-students-lawsuit-antisemitism.html
Columbia - https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/columbia-university-anti-semitism-report-37d018c8
many other college campuses: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zOGmbUwgZuI
Kosher restaurants - https://abc7ny.com/post/nyc-jewish-restaurant-owner-says-swastikas-painted-israeli-flag-town-down-in-chelsea/14767285/?userab=kabc_content_recs-577*variant_c_trending-2482%2Cwls_content_recs-584*variant_a_control_wls-2516%2Cwpvi_content_recs-586*variant_b_trending_wpvi-2521%2Cotv_web_content_rec-539*variant_c_trending-2268%2Cotv_search_page_design_unification-546*variant_a_control-2299%2Cabcn_popular_reads_exp-542*variant_b_7days_filter-2288
https://nypost.com/2026/05/28/us-news/hundreds-rally-in-support-of-nyc-kosher-bagel-shop-trashed-in-anti-semitic-attack/
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/dc-kosher-restaurant-vandalized-on-anniversary-of-kristallnacht/3765042/
From a personal standpoint, I have two close friends working on college campuses (in Colorado) who were each victims of taunts and verbal abuse, by their own students, and were told they were not of a "protected class" and to "deal with it." One has a colleague who is also the coach of an Israeli national team who had a swastika carved into his office door and was openly mocked about one of his team members being murdered on October 7. One of the guys, in Colorado Springs, was told by his son's teachers (elementary age) that for their safety, they should "not be openly Jewish," which included bringing "Jewish food" for lunch and celebrating Hanukkah. Totally normal stuff, right? BTW, both of those guys are left-leaning. But sure, call it a "media narrative."
And keep ignoring that the psychos who carried out the attack in San Diego also targeted Jews.
Yes, Jews are now and have often been targets. Antisemitism is disgusting, and it appears to be increasing. And there are those who use anti-Israel messaging and/or actions as a thinly veiled disguise for antisemitism.
That said, there is STILL a difference between criticizing Israeli government leaders and being antisemitic. If there weren't, my Orthodox Jewish, Tel Aviv resident brother would be antisemitic ... and I can assure you that he is not.
I may have missed in skimming those articles, but where are "far left progressives" the source of anti-Semitic acts/words?
Also, anti-zionism is not anti-Semitism
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 02, 2026, 02:13:30 PMI may have missed in skimming those articles, but where are "far left progressives" the source of anti-Semitic acts/words?
Also, anti-zionism is not anti-Semitism
Why are Jewish students being barricaded in a library? Why are Kosher restaurants being vandalized?
If they were right wing groups that would have been mentioned by the media. Do you really think the students at Columbia were a bunch of MAGA choads? It definitely wasn't moderates who woke my mom and her neighbors up when they attacked the house behind them....owned by a U of M board member. Progressive ideology is staunchly anti-Israel (it's a single issue litmus test for them now...and it's amazing to see how it's blowing up on them in Maine with Plattner) and they have used that to tar all Jews as "Zionists" and justify threats and violence.
Being able to criticize the actions of one's own side doesn't not make one disloyal to the overall cause. It's a shame the MAGAs refuse to realize that.
IMO, we need Israel as a stabilizing force in the Middle East...but Netanyahu needs to be gone ASAP.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 04, 2026, 10:48:34 AMIMO, we need Israel as a stabilizing force in the Middle East...but Netanyahu needs to be gone ASAP.
I agree with you 100% on this. But I do hope you are aware that some would accuse us of being antisemitic for agreeing about the words you used after the ellipses.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 04, 2026, 10:48:34 AMWhy are Jewish students being barricaded in a library? Why are Kosher restaurants being vandalized?
If they were right wing groups that would have been mentioned by the media. Do you really think the students at Columbia were a bunch of MAGA choads? It definitely wasn't moderates who woke my mom and her neighbors up when they attacked the house behind them....owned by a U of M board member. Progressive ideology is staunchly anti-Israel (it's a single issue litmus test for them now...and it's amazing to see how it's blowing up on them in Maine with Plattner) and they have used that to tar all Jews as "Zionists" and justify threats and violence.
Being able to criticize the actions of one's own side doesn't not make one disloyal to the overall cause. It's a shame the MAGAs refuse to realize that.
IMO, we need Israel as a stabilizing force in the Middle East...but Netanyahu needs to be gone ASAP.
Found the Morning Joe watcher.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 04, 2026, 10:48:34 AMWhy are Jewish students being barricaded in a library? Why are Kosher restaurants being vandalized?
If they were right wing groups that would have been mentioned by the media. Do you really think the students at Columbia were a bunch of MAGA choads? It definitely wasn't moderates who woke my mom and her neighbors up when they attacked the house behind them....owned by a U of M board member. Progressive ideology is staunchly anti-Israel (it's a single issue litmus test for them now...and it's amazing to see how it's blowing up on them in Maine with Plattner) and they have used that to tar all Jews as "Zionists" and justify threats and violence.
Being able to criticize the actions of one's own side doesn't not make one disloyal to the overall cause. It's a shame the MAGAs refuse to realize that.
IMO, we need Israel as a stabilizing force in the Middle East...but Netanyahu needs to be gone ASAP.
You raise some fair and valid points regarding antisemitism from the left, but it's way off base to suggest it - and those behind it - are not mentioned in the media. The reason you know about these things is because it's in the media.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 04, 2026, 10:48:34 AMWhy are Jewish students being barricaded in a library? Why are Kosher restaurants being vandalized?
If they were right wing groups that would have been mentioned by the media. Do you really think the students at Columbia were a bunch of MAGA choads? It definitely wasn't moderates who woke my mom and her neighbors up when they attacked the house behind them....owned by a U of M board member. Progressive ideology is staunchly anti-Israel (it's a single issue litmus test for them now...and it's amazing to see how it's blowing up on them in Maine with Plattner) and they have used that to tar all Jews as "Zionists" and justify threats and violence.
Being able to criticize the actions of one's own side doesn't not make one disloyal to the overall cause. It's a shame the MAGAs refuse to realize that.
IMO, we need Israel as a stabilizing force in the Middle East...but Netanyahu needs to be gone ASAP.
Any evidence that progressives or progressive ideology or anti-zionists are defining every Jewish person as a Zionist?
I think any country who imprisons innocent women and children and sexually abuses them systematically shouldnt be trusted with keeping the peace in a region.
I guess Israel also does that.
No wonder america has a senator that takes calls from the prime minister on a regular basis about policy.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 04, 2026, 10:48:34 AMIMO, we need Israel as a stabilizing force in the Middle East...but Netanyahu needs to be gone ASAP.
We ain't in the club (leader of a nation clinging to power to avoid going to prison for corruption)
ICE is under pressure after reporting 18 detainee deaths in the first five months of this year.
So naturally, the agency will change reporting practices.
Problem solved by the Gestapo!