My understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?
If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.
Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)
Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?
Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.
This would be another consideration for Sheek as he made his decision.
At this point, nobody knows how it will work, when (if) it will be passed, or who it will apply to. There is no legislation pending.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 19, 2026, 09:08:38 AMMy understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?
If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.
Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)
Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?
Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.
How would that affect a player like Nash Walker who did not graduate from a US High School? They (Australia/NewZealand) graduate in December a half year earlier than we do or would the turn 19 rule apply? I know Nash is a RS and that probably will be counted as a year of eligibiilty for him.
So does some kid like Nash get punished a half season because they graduate earlier that we do?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on May 19, 2026, 09:13:46 AMThis would be another consideration for Sheek as he made his decision.
Nope. Just 18 being on the roster.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 19, 2026, 09:08:38 AMMy understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?
If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.
Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)
Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?
Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.
That is how I interpret this as well.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 19, 2026, 09:08:38 AMMy understanding of the proposed 5x5 rule is that a 5 year clock starts after you graduate from a US high school (not sure how prep school factors in here), start college, or turn 19, whichever comes first. The first two are easy to understand, but I wasn't sure about the last. If you turn 19 at the beginning of the season does your clock start that season or the next season? What if your birthday is during the offseason? When is the actual cut off?
If I'm reading the proposal correctly, the clock starts the academic year after a player turns 19. The NCAA academic year begins on August 1st every year. So my interpretation is that if you turned 19 on July 31, 2022 or earlier, your clock started during the 22-23 season. If you turned 19 on August 1, 2022 or later, your clock started during the 23-24 season.
Mr. Fru turned 19 on August 28, 2022. If my understanding is correct that means:
23-24: Fru's first year (in Germany)
24-25: Fru's second year (in Germany)
25-26: Fru's third year (at Louisville)
26-27: Fru's fourth year (in Blue and Gold)
27-28: Fru's fifth year (hopefully also in Blue and Gold)
Anyone have a different understanding if 5x5 passes as expected?
Would love having one of the oldest and most experienced big men in the country for a change.
My understanding is that the new rule would beginning with the 2026-27 class, and is not retroactive. It would only apply to athletes starting their college careers under the new model.
That means players like Ben Gold who completed their eligibility under the old rules aren't granted any additional eligibility, and players like Fru who started under the 4-in-5 rule are still governed by it.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 19, 2026, 11:00:44 AMMy understanding is that the new rule would beginning with the 2026-27 class, and is not retroactive. It would only apply to athletes starting their college careers under the new model.
That means players like Ben Gold who completed their eligibility under the old rules aren't granted any additional eligibility, and players like Fru who started under the 4-in-5 rule are still governed by it.
Bad understanding. what's been proposed is if u have eligibility remaining now you choose the best situation for you
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 19, 2026, 10:04:59 AMHow would that affect a player like Nash Walker who did not graduate from a US High School? They (Australia/NewZealand) graduate in December a half year earlier than we do or would the turn 19 rule apply? I know Nash is a RS and that probably will be counted as a year of eligibiilty for him.
So does some kid like Nash get punished a half season because they graduate earlier that we do?
It won't penalize him. That is taken into account already.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 19, 2026, 12:12:58 PMIt won't penalize him. That is taken into account already.
So Nash can play up to the spring of 2031 or did RSing this spring cost him a year of eligibility?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 19, 2026, 01:13:38 PMSo Nash can play up to the spring of 2031 or did RSing this spring cost him a year of eligibility?
My understanding is that current players are going to be given a choice to either stay on the old rules or switch to the new rules. In Nashs case, i think it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Either he stays with the old rules which means he gets four more years after last years redshirt. Or he goes to the new rules and his five years clock would've started last year when he enrolled, giving him four more years. Either way gives him the same number of years.
Maybe they can try to argue that last year shouldn't count towards the five years.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 19, 2026, 01:34:34 PMMy understanding is that current players are going to be given a choice to either stay on the old rules or switch to the new rules. In Nashs case, i think it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Either he stays with the old rules which means he gets four more years after last years redshirt. Or he goes to the new rules and his five years clock would've started last year when he enrolled, giving him four more years. Either way gives him the same number of years.
Maybe they can try to argue that last year shouldn't count towards the five years.
The way I see it is that Nash is in the same class as Alex and Ethan and not the same class as NJ, AS, MPIII and Ian. He only joined the team because he graduated 6 months earlier. Will these players have to sit out 6 months before joining their team or give up a half year of playing time to join the team in January.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 19, 2026, 03:53:51 PMThe way I see it is that Nash is in the same class as Alex and Ethan and not the same class as NJ, AS, MPIII and Ian. He only joined the team because he graduated 6 months earlier. Will these players have to sit out 6 months before joining their team or give up a half year of playing time to join the team in January.
It doesn't matter what class he was in. He enrolled.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2026, 03:56:55 PMIt doesn't matter what class he was in. He enrolled.
So kids down under only get 4.5 years of eligibility if they enroll right after they graduate but those in the Northern hemisphere get 5.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2026, 03:56:55 PMIt doesn't matter what class he was in. He enrolled.
Does that mean if 4.5yrs in he's still playing he has to stop at finals?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 19, 2026, 04:07:54 PMSo kids down under only get 4.5 years of eligibility if they enroll right after they graduate but those in the Northern hemisphere get 5.
There are not half-seasons of eligibility. Enrolling at semester meant that he used a season of eligibility under either the new or old rules.
Had he waited until this upcoming season to enroll, he would have had five years assuming the new rule passes.
I don't think this is right. It's not the year after you turn 19, it's the year you turn 19. So you would likely have to include 2022-23 as the first eligible year. If they could demonstrate that Fru didn't reach the equivalent of high school graduation until 2023, they might be able to make this case. But as he was finishing his third year of professional basketball at Braunschweig in 2023, that might be a tough sell.
I'd love to get two years of him, I just don't see the case.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 19, 2026, 05:26:10 PMI don't think this is right. It's not the year after you turn 19, it's the year you turn 19. So you would likely have to include 2022-23 as the first eligible year. If they could demonstrate that Fru didn't reach the equivalent of high school graduation until 2023, they might be able to make this case. But as he was finishing his third year of professional basketball at Braunschweig in 2023, that might be a tough sell.
I'd love to get two years of him, I just don't see the case.
It will likely be the EARLIEST of high school graduation or turning age 19. You say, "it's the year you turn 19" but I'm not sure on this --- do we have any draft language or similar NCAA rules around language we can find?
Let's say it's based on the day he turned 19.. which I think was August 28, 2022... does that mean any academic year that begins in 2022.. or season that begins in 2022.. what about spring sports? I'm not clear on what the rule would be. Can't imagine it's institution-specific.. I think in 2022 MU started fall classes on 8/29, a day after he turned 19... but there have been years where we started, say, on 8/25.
I think you're hunch is probably correct -- e.g., getting an additional year appears difficult.. but I'm curious on what the exact rule would be.
But.. another angle.. could he (even now/soon with some weird transition rule) apply for a waiver regardless of what the new rules become.. ?
I'm going with "it appears to be a tough climb" but I'm not at "it's a no go".
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 19, 2026, 05:26:10 PMI don't think this is right. It's not the year after you turn 19, it's the year you turn 19. So you would likely have to include 2022-23 as the first eligible year. If they could demonstrate that Fru didn't reach the equivalent of high school graduation until 2023, they might be able to make this case. But as he was finishing his third year of professional basketball at Braunschweig in 2023, that might be a tough sell.
I'd love to get two years of him, I just don't see the case.
Do you have a link? Every thing I've read says academic year after a player turns 19.
If it's the academic year you turn 19 then Quinn Ellis for example would not be eligible to play for st. Johns.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 19, 2026, 05:45:05 PMDo you have a link? Every thing I've read says academic year after a player turns 19.
It seems so simple, but I honestly don't know what 'academic year' means for purposes of applying such rules. There must be some examples out there??
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 19, 2026, 05:47:59 PMIt seems so simple, but I honestly don't know what 'academic year' means for purposes of applying such rules. There must be some examples out there??
I'm assuming (dangerous I know) that it would be the ncaa academic year. I'm not sure what else they could use. Like you pointed out, i can't see them using individual institutions academic years.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 19, 2026, 05:45:05 PMDo you have a link? Every thing I've read says academic year after a player turns 19.
If it's the academic year you turn 19 then Quinn Ellis for example would not be eligible to play for st. Johns.
Speaking for Marquette, the first academic year after Fru's 19th birthday began on August 29, 2022.
For Ellis, the first academic year after his 19th birthday (4/1/2022) would also be 2022-23, so he would get 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, & end his career in 2026-27.
The NCAA will eventually have to provide clarity, but it seems like anyone who was 19 years old and a pro in 2022-23 would exhaust their eligibility this year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 19, 2026, 06:19:16 PMSpeaking for Marquette, the first academic year after Fru's 19th birthday began on August 29, 2022.
For Ellis, the first academic year after his 19th birthday (4/1/2022) would also be 2022-23, so he would get 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, & end his career in 2026-27.
The NCAA will eventually have to provide clarity, but it seems like anyone who was 19 years old and a pro in 2022-23 would exhaust their eligibility this year.
The NCAA has a standard academic year that begins on August 1st every year. I can't imagine them allowing every institution to have a different schedule. Maybe they try to create specific schedules for each sport, but I think most likely they default to the standard academic year. If that ends up being true, Ellis and Fru are in two different academic years.