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Feel free to vent in the comments.  No one reads them anyway.

It's not like Joey could have played when he first enrolled. He came to MU to rehab the ankle injury that prevented him from playing during his final year of high school.

For me the impact will depend on where Sheek ends up. The Hausers and Mbakwe all ended up in the Big Ten. If we lose Sheek to SLU then that's an additional  punch in the gut.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 10:05:25 AMFor me the impact will depend on where Sheek ends up. The Hausers and Mbakwe all ended up in the Big Ten. If we lose Sheek to SLU then that's an additional  punch in the gut.

#FakeNews #Lies and #FlawedLogic

I don't recall Sam ending up in the Big Ten.

As for SLU vs Big Ten, today it actually makes MORE sense and isn't a gut punch — the Big Ten has no room for direct payments. SLU does. Therefore, SLU or another MM makes more sense for Sheek at this point than a "P4" school does.

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 10:46:27 AM#FakeNews #Lies and #FlawedLogic

I don't recall Sam ending up in the Big Ten.

As for SLU vs Big Ten, today it actually makes MORE sense and isn't a gut punch — the Big Ten has no room for direct payments. SLU does. Therefore, SLU or another MM makes more sense for Sheek at this point than a "P4" school does.

If Sheek ends up at SL or similar, the whole episode will be more of a gut slap than a punch. It will also be an indication that he felt log jammed by Hamilton and Clark.

Quote from: WearGold on April 22, 2026, 10:50:34 AMIf Sheek ends up at SL or similar, the whole episode will be more of a gut slap than a punch. It will also be an indication that he felt log jammed by Hamilton and Clark.

Or that SLU is located in his hometown and has a bunch of NIL money.

Quote from: WearGold on April 22, 2026, 10:50:34 AMIf Sheek ends up at SL or similar, the whole episode will be more of a gut slap than a punch. It will also be an indication that he felt log jammed by Hamilton and Clark.

No it won't.

Quote from: WearGold on April 22, 2026, 10:50:34 AMIf Sheek ends up at SL or similar, the whole episode will be more of a gut slap than a punch. It will also be an indication that he felt log jammed by Hamilton and Clark.

He did feel log jammed bc of 18 and it'll be some MM in all likelihood, but that's bc they can offer real bread.

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 10:55:06 AMHe did feel log jammed bc of 18

When did Sheek tell you this? Have you two always been tight (pawz)?

College basketball, 2026.   Get used to it.

Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 10:59:10 AMWhen did Sheek tell you this? Have you two always been tight (pawz)?

With the high turnover of positions in DC, I think there are a lot of scoopers who would be hired simply because of their ability to create facts out of thin air.

Apologies for contaminating this thread with DC crap, but I think the analogy really fits, especially with a number of the posts regarding Sheek. Just state something as fact and it is the truth.

Gonna have to thread the needle finding a guy who is going to be a backup while also telling him not to worry about the other two centers entering their third and fourth years in the program in a seller's market.

There seems to be a lot of confidence around here that Sheek would have been a contributor next year. For all we know he won't be any better than Clark or Hamilton. If he had been significantly better than Clark or Hamilton he probably wouldn't have redshirted.

Also, until one of Shaka's redshirts is actually good my assumption is they will all be failed development projects. All his successful development guys have shown flashes as true freshman.

Quote from: MUpugnacity on April 22, 2026, 11:33:10 AMThere seems to be a lot of confidence around here that Sheek would have been a contributor next year. For all we know he won't be any better than Clark or Hamilton. If he had been significantly better than Clark or Hamilton he probably wouldn't have redshirted.

Also, until one of Shaka's redshirts is actually good my assumption is they will all be failed development projects. All his successful development guys have shown flashes as true freshman.

Come on man

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 10:46:27 AM#FakeNews #Lies and #FlawedLogic

I don't recall Sam ending up in the Big Ten.

As for SLU vs Big Ten, today it actually makes MORE sense and isn't a gut punch — the Big Ten has no room for direct payments. SLU does. Therefore, SLU or another MM makes more sense for Sheek at this point than a "P4" school does.

Fine, we lost Sam to the ACC to the defending national champs, but whatever. We lost those three to Power 4 schools.

The Big Ten does have plenty of room for direct payments. Most of those programs are dedicating at least 15% of the $21.3 million for next year's cap to basketball. They also have greater outside NIL resources to increase those payments. Michigan State, for example, has two guys alone making $2 million plus - Fears and Carr. Michigan had a $10+ million roster last year.

The optics of losing a highly rated recruit to a mid-major in a lesser conference are not good.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 11:39:44 AMThe optics of losing a highly rated recruit to a mid-major in a lesser conference are not good.

I'll be equally unhappy if we lose him to Duke, St. Louis or Chicago State. Doesn't matter. Just bummed we lost him.

Sheek's departure dampens my expectations for next season a little but not much. After whatever recalibration happened over Christmas Break last season, we played like a top 60 team. This was despite Caedin and Josh being our only backup centers. Given that we traded Fru for Gold (massive upgrade), Minessale for Ross (slight upgrade IMHO), will get a year of development from the 7 returners, and are bringing in four freshmen who should at least bring more value than Tre and Sean brought, I still expect a pretty big jump and a single digit seed in the NCAAT. Sheek's departure impacts next year's ceiling because I think he was one of the biggest wild cards on the roster. At bare minimum he'd improve the backup center position, and there was potential for him to be a major contributor, pushing us even higher.

Where Sheek's departure really hurts is the following season. He was supposed to be the center of the future. I don't believe we've been connected to any centers in the 2027 class (correct me if I'm wrong). While I don't have quite the level of disdain for Caedin and Josh that some do, I don't want to be in a situation where they are our only centers after Fru leaves. I was hopeful that in two years, Sheek could be a legit  starting center and we would not need to go hunting for a starting center in the portal next season, theoretically freeing up resources to bring in top talent at other positions.

If we go back to the portal this year to replace Sheek, I imagine it will be a guy with potential who may need a year to develop as a back up before being a starter. Problem is, that's a small pond with a lot of fishermen. Will be interesting to see how we pivot.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 11:39:44 AMFine, we lost Sam to the ACC to the defending national champs, but whatever. We lost those three to Power 4 schools.

The Big Ten does have plenty of room for direct payments. Most of those programs are dedicating at least 15% of the $21.3 million for next year's cap to basketball.

Dude. 15% of $21.3M is $3.2M. And these teams have mostly full rosters. There's no meaningful direct payment money left for a Sheek - only the hopes of third-party deals, which have been very small this past year.

Meanwhile, a MM with room for direct payments can offer guaranteed money that will come through if they want to spend it. Apples and oranges. That's why you should expect Sheek to head to a MM or school with no or fake football.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2026, 11:48:41 AMSheek's departure dampens my expectations for next season a little but not much. After whatever recalibration happened over Christmas Break last season, we played like a top 60 team. This was despite Caedin and Josh being our only backup centers. Given that we traded Fru for Gold (massive upgrade), Minessale for Ross (slight upgrade IMHO), will get a year of development from the 7 returners, and are bringing in four freshmen who should at least bring more value than Tre and Sean brought, I still expect a pretty big jump and a single digit seed in the NCAAT. Sheek's departure impacts next year's ceiling because I think he was one of the biggest wild cards on the roster. At bare minimum he'd improve the backup center position, and there was potential for him to be a major contributor, pushing us even higher.

Where Sheek's departure really hurts is the following season. He was supposed to be the center of the future. I don't believe we've been connected to any centers in the 2027 class (correct me if I'm wrong). While I don't have quite the level of disdain for Caedin and Josh that some do, I don't want to be in a situation where they are our only centers after Fru leaves. I was hopeful that in two years, Sheek could be a legit  starting center and we would need to go hunting for a starting center in the portal next season, theoretically freeing up resources to bring in top talent at other positions.

If we go back to the portal this year to replace Sheek, I imagine it will be a guy with potential who may need a year to develop as a back up before being a starter. Problem is, that's a small pond with a lot of fishermen. Will be interesting to see how we pivot.

Almost too reasonable for Scoop. But I would say that, as it mirrors my feelings exactly.

I thought Sheek could be to the 2026-27 team what Oso was to the 2021-22 team - a solid, young backup center who got progressively better as the season went on and then developed into a good starter the following season. So I'm bummed that we won't get the chance to see if that could have happened.

Lots of programs - including lots of really good programs - are starting to go the New Center Every Year route. I guess Marquette will have to join them.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2026, 11:48:41 AMSheek's departure dampens my expectations for next season a little but not much. After whatever recalibration happened over Christmas Break last season, we played like a top 60 team. This was despite Caedin and Josh being our only backup centers. Given that we traded Fru for Gold (massive upgrade), Minessale for Ross (slight upgrade IMHO), will get a year of development from the 7 returners, and are bringing in four freshmen who should at least bring more value than Tre and Sean brought, I still expect a pretty big jump and a single digit seed in the NCAAT. Sheek's departure impacts next year's ceiling because I think he was one of the biggest wild cards on the roster. At bare minimum he'd improve the backup center position, and there was potential for him to be a major contributor, pushing us even higher.

Where Sheek's departure really hurts is the following season. He was supposed to be the center of the future. I don't believe we've been connected to any centers in the 2027 class (correct me if I'm wrong). While I don't have quite the level of disdain for Caedin and Josh that some do, I don't want to be in a situation where they are our only centers after Fru leaves. I was hopeful that in two years, Sheek could be a legit  starting center and we would need to go hunting for a starting center in the portal next season, theoretically freeing up resources to bring in top talent at other positions.

If we go back to the portal this year to replace Sheek, I imagine it will be a guy with potential who may need a year to develop as a back up before being a starter. Problem is, that's a small pond with a lot of fishermen. Will be interesting to see how we pivot.

I agree with all of the above.  Well said.

Current state of College basketball is awesome.
If you lack at a current position, just rent someone.

There was 10 or 12 average centers in the portal this year, if they were above average they would be going to the NBA, MU got one of them.  They will get one the next year, that's college hoops now. If you have enough money somebody will come.

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 22, 2026, 12:21:53 PMIf you have enough money somebody will come.

u so naughty!!

Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 11:14:42 AMCollege basketball, 2026.   Get used to it.

How true

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2026, 11:48:41 AMIf we go back to the portal this year to replace Sheek, I imagine it will be a guy with potential who may need a year to develop as a back up before being a starter. Problem is, that's a small pond with a lot of fishermen. Will be interesting to see how we pivot.

It is small pond (can't teach height) but Shaka has a track record of sending guys like that to the NBA.  I'm sure that's part of what got Sheek here in the first place.  When recruiting, he can point to those successes.

So, while the pond is small, we at least have an experienced fisherman with a pretty good looking lure attempting to catch whatever fish remain.

Quote from: MUpugnacity on April 22, 2026, 11:33:10 AMThere seems to be a lot of confidence around here that Sheek would have been a contributor next year. For all we know he won't be any better than Clark or Hamilton. If he had been significantly better than Clark or Hamilton he probably wouldn't have redshirted.

Also, until one of Shaka's redshirts is actually good my assumption is they will all be failed development projects. All his successful development guys have shown flashes as true freshman.

LOL

Quote from: WearGold on April 22, 2026, 10:50:34 AMIf Sheek ends up at SL or similar, the whole episode will be more of a gut slap than a punch. It will also be an indication that he felt log jammed by Hamilton and Clark.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Clark and Hamilton. Good lord.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 02:07:21 PMIt has absolutely nothing to do with Clark and Hamilton. Good lord.

Only thing it could have to do with Hamilton....Is.....He could have been getting too much vs. what Sheek thinks he should have been paid....

If Hamilton wants to stay.....Zero....Prove it....To get paid...

Quote from: burger on April 22, 2026, 02:15:19 PMOnly thing it could have to do with Hamilton....Is.....He could have been getting too much vs. what Sheek thinks he should have been paid....

If Hamilton wants to stay.....Zero....Prove it....To get paid...

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Quote from: burger on April 22, 2026, 02:15:19 PMOnly thing it could have to do with Hamilton....Is.....He could have been getting too much vs. what Sheek thinks he should have been paid....

If Hamilton wants to stay.....Zero....Prove it....To get paid...

Silliness.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 02:07:21 PMIt has absolutely nothing to do with Clark and Hamilton. Good lord.

You honestly believe Sheek's thought was, "if 18 is here next season, that's cool. If he isn't, that's cool too. Doesn't matter to me or affect me either way! la, la, la, la, la RGV!!"????

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 04:16:34 PMYou honestly believe Sheek's thought was, "if 18 is here next season, that's cool. If he isn't, that's cool too. Doesn't matter to me or affect me either way!

100%

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 04:16:34 PMYou honestly believe Sheek's thought was, "if 18 is here next season, that's cool. If he isn't, that's cool too. Doesn't matter to me or affect me either way! la, la, la, la, la RGV!!"????

I assume this is a bit.  But if it's not and you've lost your mind the answer is yes.

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 04:16:34 PMYou honestly believe Sheek's thought was, "if 18 is here next season, that's cool. If he isn't, that's cool too. Doesn't matter to me or affect me either way! la, la, la, la, la RGV!!"????

Shaka started 18 over parham for a third of the season last year.

2 years in a row he was touted to the national media as a massive improvement going into the season.

Nothing is out of bounds

Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 05:36:41 PMShaka started 18 over parham for a third of the season last year.

2 years in a row he was touted to the national media as a massive improvement going into the season.

Nothing is out of bounds

Now Shaka never said what he improved from though. Completely incompetent to being a low major level player? Massive improvement. Not having the cardio to play more than 10mpg to having the cardio to play 25mpg? Massive improvement.

I also was majorly oversold by Hamilton but in hindsight it was us all and the media who seemed to take it as Hamilton was proving to be a major contributor.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 22, 2026, 06:53:41 PMI also was majorly oversold by Hamilton but in hindsight it was us all and the media who seemed to take it as Hamilton was proving to be a major contributor.

SS started him over Royce. The media didn't do that. SS kept him as a regular part of the first half rotation. The media didn't.

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 07:15:08 PMSS started him over Royce. The media didn't do that. SS kept him as a regular part of the first half rotation. The media didn't.

He's going to start over Fru as well.  Bookmark this.  Shaka will have 18 on the court on opening night at center court. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 07:20:14 PMHe's going to start over Fru as well.  Bookmark this.  Shaka will have 18 on the court on opening night at center court. 

Shaka will play him all 40 minutes every game, too, which will cause Fru to transfer after the first semester.

Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 07:41:09 PMShaka will play him all 40 minutes every game, too, which will cause Fru to transfer after the first semester.

Hamilton will be an All-American this year.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 07:48:24 PMHamilton will be an All-American this year.

Shaka has never overestimated Caedin's ability to the detriment of the program.

This sarcasm thing isn't as fun as I thought.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 07:53:40 PMShaka has never overestimated Caedin's ability to the detriment of the program.

This sarcasm thing isn't as fun as I thought.

I'm serious when I say he's starting over Fru. 

No sarcasm. JB

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 07:53:40 PMShaka has never overestimated Caedin's ability to the detriment of the program.

This sarcasm thing isn't as fun as I thought.

No sarcasm. JB and you have convinced me that Fru will have trouble even getting into games because Shaka loves Hamilton so much. I mean, Shaka played Hamilton 30+ mpg the second half of last season, right?

Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 08:31:22 PMNo sarcasm. JB
No sarcasm. JB and you have convinced me that Fru will have trouble even getting into games because Shaka loves Hamilton so much. I mean, Shaka played Hamilton 30+ mpg the second half of last season, right?

Shaka's favorite musical? Hamilton.

A lot of people are obsessed by Hamilton, some for Wicked, some For Good.   Jesus Christ, he isn't a Superstar.  But the sun will come out tomorrow as we ease on down the road. The world did not turn upside down.  Maybe another player can come from away.   We'll just have to wait for it.

He played zero possessions, he wasn't here.

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 07:15:08 PMSS started him over Royce. The media didn't do that. SS kept him as a regular part of the first half rotation. The media didn't.

I mean I'm sure you'll correct me but it seemed like Royce was playing more of a stretch 4 in the first half the year (poorly) which means that Hamilton vs Royce wasn't really a thought. We didn't have a traditional 5 to battle Caedin for it since Ben also isn't one either. Once Royce stopped being a stretch I thought he started playing over Caedin.

Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 08:31:22 PMNo sarcasm. JB
No sarcasm. JB and you have convinced me that Fru will have trouble even getting into games because Shaka loves Hamilton so much. I mean, Shaka played Hamilton 30+ mpg the second half of last season, right?

Please don't lump me in with JB on the Caedin stuff. Feel free to quote where I said that Sheek left because of him. I haven't said so. But you and several others, who claimed it's fine to have Caedin on the roster because he'll be end of the bench, are now realizing you whiffed. "It's fine Shaka has misevaluated him, he won't play!"

I argued keeping bad players on the roster was a bad idea. And now we're here. You don't have a leg to stand on in this particular argument.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 09:59:21 PMPlease don't lump me in with JB on the Caedin stuff. Feel free to quote where I said that Sheek left because of him. I haven't said so. But you and several others, who claimed it's fine to have Caedin on the roster because he'll be end of the bench, are now realizing you whiffed. "It's fine Shaka has misevaluated him, he won't play!"

I argued keeping bad players on the roster was a bad idea. And now we're here. You don't have a leg to stand on in this particular argument
.

You still don't get it and it's pretty impressive.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 10:15:46 PMYou still don't get it and it's pretty impressive.

You could also just try explaining yourself. Keeping players who have established that they are bad isn't a good idea. Acknowledging that would be a good start, though. Humility is a virtue.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 10:19:35 PMYou could also just try explaining yourself. Keeping players who have established that they are bad isn't a good idea. Acknowledging that would be a good start, though. Humility is a virtue.

Galway explained it yesterday.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 10:20:13 PMGalway explained it yesterday.

When a player has established that they're bad, then you at least take a flyer on someone else. So that's my response to that. Shaka thinks he has value. He's wildly wrong, and it's a detriment to the program. We all know what Caedin is: bad. Even you would admit that. There's no defense at this point.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 10:24:17 PMWhen a player has established that they're bad, then you at least take a flyer on someone else. So that's my response to that. Shaka thinks he has value. He's wildly wrong, and it's a detriment to the program. We all know what Caedin is: bad. Even you would admit that. There's no defense at this point.

The response is very logical. What kind of big are you going to get to come in as a 3rd string 5?

You've continually failed to answer that question because the answer is not a very good one.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 10:32:55 PMThe response is very logical. What kind of big are you going to get to come in as a 3rd string 5?

You've continually failed to answer that question because the answer is not a very good one.

Like I said, you take a flyer. What's so hard to understand? We know what Caedin is: bad. That's established.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 09:59:21 PMPlease don't lump me in with JB on the Caedin stuff. Feel free to quote where I said that Sheek left because of him. I haven't said so. But you and several others, who claimed it's fine to have Caedin on the roster because he'll be end of the bench, are now realizing you whiffed. "It's fine Shaka has misevaluated him, he won't play!"

I argued keeping bad players on the roster was a bad idea. And now we're here. You don't have a leg to stand on in this particular argument.

Who would be playing as a backup center if Caedin wasn't on the roster?

Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 10:37:12 PMWho would be playing as a backup center if Caedin wasn't on the roster?

Obviously the hope would be someone better than Caedin.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 10:38:11 PMObviously the hope would be someone better than Caedin.

We have 2 scholarships open to find that. So how is Caedin being on the roster preventing that?

Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 10:39:04 PMWe have 2 scholarships open to find that. So how is Caedin being on the roster preventing that?

I said this earlier in the thread, but it's a tough needle to thread. "You're the backup, but we have two other guys who will have been in the program for four and three years". Not saying they can't get a guy, but not a lot of wiggle room, I'd say.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 10:42:34 PMI said this earlier in the thread, but it's a tough needle to thread. "You're the backup, but we have two other guys who will have been in the program for four and three years". Not saying they can't get a guy, but not a lot of wiggle room, I'd say.

Huh? So do you think if Tre Norman was back Nolan Minessale would've seen a guy who saw his minutes diminish and say, "Yeah, can't compete with a guy who's been in the program for four years. Onto Wisconsin where they have nobody who's been in the program!"

You say you aren't selling the same schtick Troll BeeJay is, yet you're saying the same thing he is saying.

Anybody who's worth having on your roster is not going to be scared of a guy who went from starting to playing under 9 mpg as the season went on. Somehow Fru wasn't scared away by MU keeping the guy they began the year starting at center on their roster. Somehow Royce stuck around despite keeping the guy who started ahead of him on the roster.

If a player is too worried about beating out Caedin Hamilton then good luck at UW Stout to him.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 10:35:35 PMLike I said, you take a flyer. What's so hard to understand? We know what Caedin is: bad. That's established.

Caedin was a flyer. Josh was a flyer.

How is this still not registering?

Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 10:45:27 PMHuh? So do you think if Tre Norman was back Nolan Minessale would've seen a guy who saw his minutes diminish and say, "Yeah, can't compete with a guy who's been in the program for four years. Onto Wisconsin where they have nobody who's been in the program!"

You say you aren't selling the same schtick Troll BeeJay is, yet you're saying the same thing he is saying.

Anybody who's worth having on your roster is not going to be scared of a guy who went from starting to playing under 9 mpg as the season went on. Somehow Fru wasn't scared away by MU keeping the guy they began the year starting at center on their roster. Somehow Royce stuck around despite keeping the guy who started ahead of him on the roster.

If a player is too worried about beating out Caedin Hamilton then good luck at UW Stout to him.

Fru certainly wasn't scared. That's why he came here. They promised him Gold's minutes.

Take a moment to think further after that.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 10:45:39 PMCaedin was a flyer. Josh was a flyer.

How is this still not registering?

Caedin was a starter. You'll defend Shaka no matter what, but maybe take a step back and realize that for two years Shaka thought he was good. You both know he's not suited for this level.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 10:55:11 PMCaedin was a starter. You'll defend Shaka no matter what, but maybe take a step back and realize that for two years Shaka thought he was good. You both know he's not suited for this level.

Except I didn't defend Shaka for starting him so try again.

You need to accept that any #3 center was not going to be any good but you'd rather  follow the 5 D's of Dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and Dodge

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 11:08:44 PMExcept I didn't defend Shaka for starting him so try again.

You need to accept that any #3 center was not going to be any good but you'd rather  follow the 5 D's of Dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and Dodge

Great flick. Why is Shaka keeping the worst C in the league? Or maybe the second worst. How about you answer the question if Hamilton being on the roster is for the best?

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 09:59:21 PMPlease don't lump me in with JB on the Caedin stuff. Feel free to quote where I said that Sheek left because of him. I haven't said so. But you and several others, who claimed it's fine to have Caedin on the roster because he'll be end of the bench, are now realizing you whiffed. "It's fine Shaka has misevaluated him, he won't play!"

I argued keeping bad players on the roster was a bad idea. And now we're here. You don't have a leg to stand on in this particular argument.

How does Hamilton being on the roster change anything regarding Sheek? If Hamilton wasn't on the roster, what situation would be better for Marquette basketball right now?

nm

Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 07:41:09 PMShaka will play him all 40 minutes every game, too, which will cause Fru to transfer after the first semester.

You're close, he's going to get 45 minutes since we won't need to run 5 guys out there with him on the floor.  Think of the savings!

Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 22, 2026, 09:01:09 PMI mean I'm sure you'll correct me but it seemed like Royce was playing more of a stretch 4 in the first half the year (poorly) which means that Hamilton vs Royce wasn't really a thought. We didn't have a traditional 5 to battle Caedin for it since Ben also isn't one either. Once Royce stopped being a stretch I thought he started playing over Caedin.

Correct.  A lot of people around here forget that Royce was awful for the first half of the year, but then again, literally everyone was except Chase.  A few guys turned it around, but unfortunately Chase went the other direction.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 11:21:51 PMGreat flick. Why is Shaka keeping the worst C in the league? Or maybe the second worst. How about you answer the question if Hamilton being on the roster is for the best?

Find me one time I ever said it was for the best.

Never happened.

What I've said is him being on the roster does not prevent Marquette from building a really good team.

That's objectively true and I have no idea why that's so difficult for you to understand.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 23, 2026, 06:42:39 AMFind me one time I ever said it was for the best.

Never happened.

What I've said is him being on the roster does not prevent Marquette from building a really good team.

That's objectively true and I have no idea why that's so difficult for you to understand.

Caedin must have kicked Soda's dog, because the obsession is getting strange. 

Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2026, 01:00:55 AMHow does Hamilton being on the roster change anything regarding Sheek? If Hamilton wasn't on the roster, what situation would be better for Marquette basketball right now?

We would have 3 open spots instead of 2 to improve the team. 

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 06:57:05 AMWe would have 3 open spots instead of 2 to improve the team.

If you can't improve the team with two open spots, it's probably time to just fold the program.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 06:59:17 AMIf you can't improve the team with two open spots, it's probably time to just fold the program.

Worrier thinks that's going to happen anyway.  The good news for him is, we'll all be dead some day so it doesn't matter

Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 06:59:17 AMIf you can't improve the team with two open spots, it's probably time to just fold the program.

Nah! Just raise tuition, that should keep it going.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 10:45:39 PMCaedin was a flyer. Josh was a flyer.

How is this still not registering?

No. 18 is the anointed one who must play in Shaka's mind. It's bizarre, we've seen it. He'll remain a part of the regular rotation, entering games in the first half.

Flyers who don't pan out usually don't play every game. 18 is the exception.

Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2026, 07:45:06 AMNo. 18 is the anointed one who must play in Shaka's mind. It's bizarre, we've seen it. He'll remain a part of the regular rotation, entering games in the first half.

Flyers who don't pan out usually don't play every game. 18 is the exception.

I expect to see him out there 20-25 minutes next year.  Hope they run him and Fru on the court at the same time.  Two Towers of Power offense and defense.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 06:57:05 AMWe would have 3 open spots instead of 2 to improve the team.

Better yet, if Clark left, we would have had four. Exactly how would additional two spots translate into an improvement to the team? What positions do you think Shaka should fill? Is the $ available for Shaka to do what you think he should do? 

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 23, 2026, 08:43:29 AMBetter yet, if Clark left, we would have had four. Exactly how would additional two spots translate into an improvement to the team? What positions do you think Shaka should fill? Is the $ available for Shaka to do what you think he should do? 

Well, that is the real question. Do we have the resources to acquire the talent and keep the talent to place a competitive team on the court? 

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 09:06:32 AMWell, that is the real question. Do we have the resources to acquire the talent and keep the talent to place a competitive team on the court?

No. Not at all.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 06:57:05 AMWe would have 3 open spots instead of 2 to improve the team.

You're a pip.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 09:06:32 AMWell, that is the real question. Do we have the resources to acquire the talent and keep the talent to place a competitive team on the court?

No.  It's pretty clear Marquette does not

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 09:06:32 AMWell, that is the real question. Do we have the resources to acquire the talent and keep the talent to place a competitive team on the court?

Did you really think I would not notice that you failed to address the first two "real" questions? Your simplistic replies to posts is clearly your preferred M.O. Avoid questions that require thinking through an answer and just go with a quick and easy statement about "resources".

Caedin Hamilton is to Shaka as Derrick Wilson is to Buzz. They're riding with their guy no matta what

It is possible Sheek could be like Real Chili. Everybody thinks it is really good, until you taste it and realize it is crap.

Who knows how he will do!

Quote from: DienerTime34 on April 23, 2026, 10:42:55 AMCaedin Hamilton is to Shaka as Derrick Wilson is to Buzz. They're riding with their guy no matta what

Except that Buzz didn't give Derrick significantly fewer minutes and significantly less responsibility as the 2013-14 season went on. In MU's last regular-season game that season, a 2OT loss to St. John's, Derrick played 47!! minutes. He averaged 31.8 mpg the last 19 games that season; Hamilton averaged 8.9 mpg the last 19 games this past season.

I know you were just having fun, though, so pardon those silly facts.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming: Blaming Caedin for Marquette's 1978 NCAAT loss to Miami of Ohio.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 23, 2026, 10:30:09 AMDid you really think I would not notice that you failed to address the first two "real" questions? Your simplistic replies to posts is clearly your preferred M.O. Avoid questions that require thinking through an answer and just go with a quick and easy statement about "resources".

The 4 spots  (I know we have only 3) but to answer your question would be : another 5, another 4 and 2 guards. At least one of them would have to be around a 40 percent 3pt shooter (where you find him I have no idea) and of course they should be able to play at the high major D1 level. As to specific players I have no idea as I don't follow college ball that closely.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 12:38:17 PMI have no idea as I don't follow college ball that closely.

Ya don't say!

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 12:38:17 PMThe 4 spots  (I know we have only 3) but to answer your question would be : another 5, another 4 and 2 guards. At least one of them would have to be around a 40 percent 3pt shooter (where you find him I have no idea) and of course they should be able to play at the high major D1 level. As to specific players I have no idea as I don't follow college ball that closely.

According to this: https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143

Only 46 players shot 40% or better from three.

Of those 46, only 16 played at a high major school.

Of those 16, only 11 didn't exhaust their eligibility last season.

Of those 11, only 4 entered the transfer portal

Of those 4, only 2 are uncommitted.

So you want us to get Either Milan Momclovic or Paul McNeil Jr

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2026, 12:52:44 PMAccording to this: https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143

Only 46 players shot 40% or better from three.

Of those 46, only 16 played at a high major school.

Of those 16, only 11 didn't exhaust their eligibility last season.

Of those 11, only 4 entered the transfer portal

Of those 4, only 2 are uncommitted.

So you want us to get Either Milan Momclovic or Paul McNeil Jr

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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2026, 12:52:44 PMAccording to this: https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143

Only 46 players shot 40% or better from three.

Of those 46, only 16 played at a high major school.

Of those 16, only 11 didn't exhaust their eligibility last season.

Of those 11, only 4 entered the transfer portal

Of those 4, only 2 are uncommitted.

So you want us to get Either Milan Momclovic or Paul McNeil Jr

The minimums to qualify for the 3FG%  race are quite high, so using this list doesn't make a lot of sense to ID good shooters imo.

That said, the point remains - they don't grow on trees.

I think there were just under 250 players last season who attempted at least 60 3FGAs (roughly 2 per game) and made 40% or better.

If Shaka really wants to win, he'd go get SGA and Jokic.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2026, 12:52:44 PMAccording to this: https://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143

Only 46 players shot 40% or better from three.

Of those 46, only 16 played at a high major school.

Of those 16, only 11 didn't exhaust their eligibility last season.

Of those 11, only 4 entered the transfer portal

Of those 4, only 2 are uncommitted.

So you want us to get Either Milan Momclovic or Paul McNeil Jr

Great analysis

I do believe he wants us to get Milan Momcilovic

Quote from: DoctorV on April 23, 2026, 09:33:42 PMGreat analysis

I do believe he wants us to get Milan Momcilovic

People believe the stories in the bible, so they'll believe anything.

Quote from: DoctorV on April 23, 2026, 09:33:42 PMGreat analysis

I do believe he wants us to get Milan Momcilovic

Paul McNeil is probably more likely.

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 07:16:57 AMPaul McNeil is probably more likely.

Yes, please

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 24, 2026, 07:10:07 AMPeople believe the stories in the NY POST so they'll believe anything.

Fify

Quote from: DoctorV on April 23, 2026, 09:33:42 PMGreat analysis

I do believe he wants us to get Milan Momcilovic

...and why not? Oh! Will just have to pay everyone else more if we want to keep them, but he certainly would improve the team.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2026, 08:00:03 AM...and why not? Oh! Will just have to pay everyone else more if we want to keep them, but he certainly would improve the team.

As said here numerous times, the ship has sailed, regardless of money.  It's not a money issue.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2026, 08:00:03 AM...and why not? Oh! Will just have to pay everyone else more if we want to keep them, but he certainly would improve the team.

This a great idea! I'm embarrassed that I didn't think of it first.

Oh...I think you meant "We'll". Just saving JB from spending the time to correct you.

Technically, Trevor Mbakwe, unlike LeDaryl Billingsley, did play for Marquette, appearing in 11 games.

If I had to guess Sheek's most likely to be thought of as a Jameel McKay or DJ Newbill

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 09:45:27 AMNo.  It's pretty clear Marquette does not

Neither do hundreds of other schools.
The end of March madness is upon us.
Like LIV in golf, nobody thinks strategically.
What goes around comes around.
We are back where we started.

Quote from: vogue65 on April 24, 2026, 06:16:01 PMNeither do hundreds of other schools.
The end of March madness is upon us.
Like LIV in golf, nobody thinks strategically.
What goes around comes around.
We are back where we started.

Correct.  The NCAA really effed this up despite decades of knowing this was coming.  But amateurism!

Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 24, 2026, 03:26:07 PMTechnically, Trevor Mbakwe, unlike LeDaryl Billingsley, did play for Marquette, appearing in 11 games.

Darn, I completely forgot Mbakwe actually played some games for Marquette.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 24, 2026, 03:40:17 PMIf I had to guess Sheek's most likely to be thought of as a Jameel McKay or DJ Newbill

McKay would have been a better choice.  Let's just pretend that's what I meant.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 24, 2026, 09:33:55 PMLet's just pretend that's what I meant.

Oh, I am definitely stealing this line.