True???
Being discussed in the transfer portal thread.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67809.msg1541502#new
True. Hmm.
https://247sports.com/season/2026-basketball/transferportal/?institutionkey=24315
(I don't understand why some people think everything needs to be in one long thread)
Shaka brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of a youngster anticipating big minutes.
Not that surprising.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 05:39:22 AMShaka brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of a youngster anticipating big minutes.
Not that surprising.
That's why everyone was warning this could happen. 🙄🙄🙄
This was surprising.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 05:39:22 AMShaka brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of a youngster anticipating big minutes.
Not that surprising.
No. Shaka kept his pride & joy who he played blindly last year. When it was clear tha player wasn't transferrring despite Fru and Sheek being on the roster, intelligent minds realized pride & joy was going to get minutes next year and Sheek found it ridiculous.
A choice between 18 and Sheek was effectively made. Not that surprising.
Shaka messed with his happy. Went from starter to bench guy. Simple math.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 05:57:31 AMNo. Shaka kept his pride & joy who he played blindly last year. When it was clear tha player wasn't transferrring despite Fru and Sheek being on the roster, intelligent minds realized pride & joy was going to get minutes next year and Sheek found it ridiculous.
A choice between 18 and Sheek was effectively made. Not that surprising.
Amazing you're sticking with this ludicrous narrative.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 05:57:31 AMNo. Shaka kept his pride & joy who he played blindly last year. When it was clear tha player wasn't transferrring despite Fru and Sheek being on the roster, intelligent minds realized pride & joy was going to get minutes next year and Sheek found it ridiculous.
A choice between 18 and Sheek was effectively made. Not that surprising.
That's just nonsense.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 05:57:51 AMShaka messed with his happy. Went from starter to bench guy. Simple math.
Nope. It was money.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 06:01:36 AMThat's just nonsense.
I disagree. That's why I didn't think they'd land Fru. There's simply no way Fru starts next year. It'll be Hamilton and given the amount of minutes he was playing to end the season, I suspect he'll be a 25-30 minute a game guy.
Couple that with Fru not being awesome and James and Stevens likely getting worse, we'll have a new coach next year and a whole new roster anyway.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 05:52:41 AMThat's why everyone was warning this could happen. 🙄🙄🙄
This was surprising.
In seasons prior, Shaka waxed poetic about developing young guys and not bringing in players from the portal. He gave reasons. He went back on his philosophy and brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of Sheek. Sheek left. The causality really can't be clearer.
College basketball, 2026. The portal giveth, the portal taketh.
And, for talented young big men, there is always another big bag out there.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 06:00:42 AMAmazing you're sticking with this ludicrous narrative.
Gotta be a troll
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 06:10:58 AMIn seasons prior, Shaka waxed poetic about developing young guys and not bringing in players from the portal. He gave reasons. He went back on his philosophy and brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of Sheek. Sheek left. The causality really can't be clearer.
College basketball, 2026. The portal giveth, the portal taketh.
Why did Sheek wait so long to enter the portal? I'm sure he knew Shaka's plan from the beginning of the offseason.
Money makes a lot more sense.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 06:05:37 AMNope. It was money.
I'm sure it was more than *just* money. But (in hindsight) hearing that Nigel, and Adrien got theirs after having a chance to start, combined with Sananda getting a bag (and lots of minutes) probably left him wanting ($).
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 06:17:48 AMWhy did Sheek wait so long to enter the portal? I'm sure he knew Shaka's plan from the beginning of the offseason.
Money makes a lot more sense.
You're right.
Already explained. He was waiting to see if 18 would transfer out.
Now, this is a problem if we try to bring in a solid backup if they do their basic research — "uhh, you already have two backup bigs who have been around a combined 5 years... will I just sit bc one guy has "that look" in his eyes?"
#LastYear
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 06:22:31 AMYou're right.
Already explained. He was waiting to see if 18 would transfer out.
Now, this is a problem if we try to bring in a solid backup if they do their basic research — "uhh, you already have two backup bigs who have been around a combined 5 years... will I just sit bc one guy has "that look" in his eyes?"
#LastYear
I really hope this is just a bit you're sticking to.
I can accept the money theory. He is an agile 7 footer.
Do you think he was going to get Starter big money here next year? I think someone got in his ear on how much more he could make on the open market. Only so many years for big money...nba is not a guarantee!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 22, 2026, 06:19:56 AMI'm sure it was more than *just* money. But (in hindsight) hearing that Nigel, and Adrien got theirs after having a chance to start, combined with Sananda getting a bag (and lots of minutes) probably left him wanting ($).
He's getting more money immediately.
If there's a lesson here it's that Shaka may not necessarily want to use NIL to entice a reclassification, because it likely means they will follow the money in the future.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 06:28:40 AMIf there's a lesson here it's that Shaka may not necessarily want to use NIL to entice a reclassification, because it likely means they will follow the money in the future.
Well... And that redshirts should not be used in the free agency era. Either you can play as a frosh or you can't!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 22, 2026, 06:32:30 AMWell... And that redshirts should not be used in the free agency era. Either you can play as a frosh or you can't!
Yep. Exceptions should be for players like Walker who can sit a semester.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 06:28:40 AMHe's getting more money immediately.
If there's a lesson here it's that Shaka may not necessarily want to use NIL to entice a reclassification, because it likely means they will follow the money in the future.
I have a hard time believing he knew he could get more money elsewhere. That would be illegal and if proven true, that school would be severely punished.
Sheek saw the writing on the wall. Shaka doesn't play underclassmen and only plays favorites.
In theory he could come back like the BYU kid did correct?
In theory. Don't bet the farm on it.
Quote from: Hojames on April 22, 2026, 06:42:09 AMIn theory he could come back like the BYU kid did correct?
Yes.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 06:10:58 AMIn seasons prior, Shaka waxed poetic about developing young guys and not bringing in players from the portal. He gave reasons. He went back on his philosophy and brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of Sheek. Sheek left. The causality really can't be clearer.
College basketball, 2026. The portal giveth, the portal taketh.
And, for talented young big men, there is always another big bag out there.
The wild wild west of college basketball. Another f up by Shaka Kahn.
No wonder why guys like Wright and Saban got the hell out. The craziness drove them from their sports. What a cluster NIL has become.
Rocky - You're right... in 2026 redshirting a guy makes no sense - let alone 3 guys as SS did this past year. ( I would agree with an exception like Walker or an injury).
And ... yes, for the doubters, do you not think Sheek thought WTF ?! You're playing Hamilton and not me ?
That said ... it's unfortunate, but now SS needs another one year rental big.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 22, 2026, 06:51:22 AMNo wonder why guys like Wright and Saban got the hell out. The craziness drove them from their sports. What a cluster NIL has become.
Your check must not have cleared
Do you think this will be more common with bigs in this day and age? Unless you are a one and done big, they usually take longer to develop. With portal you can get a better older player who can help you right now. I can see the younger guys moving around to find playing time and/or chase money. UConn lost their top reserve big too. Oh well I'd rather have to replace a bench guy who may or may not have been good than a starter
Agree on no more redshirts, last year was a waste of time and resources on Sheek
Sheek got PAID
Sucks for us, but good for him
Very disappointing to see this kid leave. Thought he would develop into a true warrior.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 22, 2026, 06:47:11 AMThe wild wild west of college basketball. Another f up by Shaka Kahn.
And he is still 10s of thousands of f ups behind you.
Sure glad he redshirted
Quote from: Hojames on April 22, 2026, 06:42:09 AMIn theory he could come back like the BYU kid did correct?
Not happening. He's gone.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 05:57:31 AMNo. Shaka kept his pride & joy who he played blindly last year. When it was clear tha player wasn't transferrring despite Fru and Sheek being on the roster, intelligent minds realized pride & joy was going to get minutes next year and Sheek found it ridiculous.
A choice between 18 and Sheek was effectively made. Not that surprising.
No.
Sheek got offered a lot of money by a team to leave.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 05:39:22 AMShaka brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of a youngster anticipating big minutes.
Not that surprising.
But he would have had big minutes regardless (25 plus in his first year playing). All about the money, likely. Or Shaka's communication skills are terrible (and I don't think that is the case).
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 06:17:48 AMWhy did Sheek wait so long to enter the portal? I'm sure he knew Shaka's plan from the beginning of the offseason.
Money makes a lot more sense.
Yep. And
IF Sultan's guess is correct that SLU will be his new team...back home in SL, playing for a coach who will likely be offered a HC position with a major team (and an opportunity to go with him), etc. I get it. Don't
like it, but I get it.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on April 22, 2026, 06:27:59 AMDo you think he was going to get Starter big money here next year? I think someone got in his ear on how much more he could make on the open market. Only so many years for big money...nba is not a guarantee!
I agree with this analysis. Hard to blame a kid, but pretty disappointing to see a guy leave who seemed to be really bought in to the culture/had good relationships with his fellow underclassmen.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 22, 2026, 08:03:54 AMYep. And IF Sultan's guess is correct that SLU will be his new team...back home in SL, playing for a coach who will likely be offered a HC position with a major team (and an opportunity to go with him), etc. I get it. Don't like it, but I get it.
And with a coach who also knows how to coach big men.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 06:10:58 AMIn seasons prior, Shaka waxed poetic about developing young guys and not bringing in players from the portal. He gave reasons. He went back on his philosophy and brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of Sheek. Sheek left. The causality really can't be clearer.
College basketball, 2026. The portal giveth, the portal taketh.
And, for talented young big men, there is always another big bag out there.
Your last sentence is correct.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 08:05:18 AMAnd with a coach who also knows how to coach big men.
I thought that Shaka would be known for that coming from Texas.
I will chalk up RS last year as a line of effort in Shaka's original strategy.
Strategies change.
As the portal is now essentially a series of one-year contracts, paying someone to sit is an elevated gamble on an NIL investment.
College hoops now has a lot of similarity to the MLB free agent market, the teams with money buy the best players. But unlike the MLB, where teams retain control for awhile to recapture player development, the current NIL does not provide that protection.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 22, 2026, 08:11:38 AMI thought that Shaka would be known for that coming from Texas.
He is. But Schertz is no slouch. Look how he used Robbie Avila - and Sheek is way more talented than him.
Bummer! I hope there's still a path to him being retained. Maybe the staff can make a pitch and potentially outbid another team. I'm not sure what the market would be for a RS prospect so I doubt he's truly getting a HUGE bag.
This has happened to every team in the country. The only reason we hadn't had our hearts broken by the portal, is because we havn't been playing this game for very long.
We snickered when UW lost Storr, Hepburn and Blackwell. But, the portal also brought them Storr, Tonje and Boyd.
This is what the portal does: it giveth and it taketh away. When one door opens another closes. This is exactly why Shaka was reluctant to use it. But, he had no choice after last season - this is what the fanbase demanded.
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 22, 2026, 08:33:11 AMthis is what the fanbase demanded.
This is what is needed to be competitive and avoid back to back losing seasons. That is college basketball in 2026.
If Shaka does not hit the portal this offseason, either he is gone and or NJ and the top players will be gone to teams that can pay more and be on a much better roster in 2027-2028.
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 22, 2026, 08:33:11 AMThis has happened to every team in the country. The only reason we hadn't had our hearts broken by the portal, is because we havn't been playing this game for very long.
We snickered when UW lost Storr, Hepburn and Blackwell. But, the portal also brought them Storr, Tonje and Boyd.
This is what the portal does: it giveth and it taketh away. When one door opens another closes. This is exactly why Shaka was reluctant to use it. But, he had no choice after last season - this is what the fanbase demanded.
Eh Purdue and MSU seemed to have avoided the negative fallout while reaping the benefits. I think that's what the fanbase was imagining portal life would be like. But yes it always much more likely this would happen
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 22, 2026, 08:43:22 AMEh Purdue and MSU seemed to have avoided the negative fallout while reaping the benefits. I think that's what the fanbase was imagining portal life would be like. But yes it always much more likely this would happen
Purdue did lose Cam Heide, who may have been that missing piece to get them to the Final Four.
Can't imagine taking less than the millions being paid to others on the same team. Don't blame Sheek.
Shaka's value will hopefully be in retaining more people than he loses when situations are essentially equal or maybe even slightly unequal going forward. I think that has been the case this offseason.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 22, 2026, 08:43:22 AMEh Purdue and MSU seemed to have avoided the negative fallout while reaping the benefits. I think that's what the fanbase was imagining portal life would be like. But yes it always much more likely this would happen
Purdue has lost Heide and Colvin, MSU has lost Holloman and Booker.
All 4 were solid pieces, with Booker being a 5 star.
As I said, everyone has lost players to the portal. And, unfortunately the portal is necessary to compete.
What gets me is that I'd have to pay decent amount for MU tuition for a year, a personal trainer, a gym membership, room and board, and court-side MU seats. Sheek got paid a nice amount for all of those things and doesn't even say "Thanks!" Some poor manners if you ask me.
It's a bummer because I thought MU was getting set up for an offseason where they could retain everyone and not need the portal. Sheek would have been the heir-apparent at starting center with (potentially) Josh Clark developing into the backup.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 22, 2026, 09:34:25 AMIt's a bummer because I thought MU was getting set up for an offseason where they could retain everyone and not need the portal. Sheek would have been the heir-apparent at starting center with (potentially) Josh Clark developing into the backup.
But the good news is that MU can use the portal again to get another starting center next year. Maybe even Sheek! Doubtful, but these days you never know.
Or the NCAA grants 5 years of eligibility, Fru gets grandfathered in for a 5th year, and MU finds a way to retain him. You never know what the NCAA is going to do, especially since the NCAA doesn't even know what they're going to do.
Good Riddance to Pearson. He never played so he's not really a loss. Shaka can go and get a backup power forward for Parhame and the team is better off. You people really have to get over your distain for Hamilton. What has ever done to you??
It might be a better idea to recruit guys like him, people who will stay and honor commitments and fill in gaps with portal people instead of going after top 40 or 50 guys who will always leave early for more opprotunity.
Quote from: hawk on April 22, 2026, 09:49:49 AMGood Riddance to Pearson. He never played so he's not really a loss. Shaka can go and get a backup power forward for Parhame and the team is better off. You people really have to get over your distain for Hamilton. What has ever done to you??
It might be a better idea to recruit guys like him, people who will stay and honor commitments and fill in gaps with portal people instead of going after top 40 or 50 guys who will always leave early for more opprotunity.
This post is amazing on a number of levels.
Per a source I know - Sheek was tampered with heavily in the portal. As much as I loathe 18, it had nothing to do with 18 or playing time - it is a pure money play. Sheek is giving MUBB an opportunity to match the cash he is getting elsewhere.
My opinion - got to cut Sheek loose - MUBB cannot be getting into bidding wars with kids that never played before. Also - if we do pony up cash to keep Sheek - what are the big 3 going to do next off season? The same?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 06:22:31 AMAlready explained. He was waiting to see if 18 would transfer out.
#fakenews #lies
Just stop with this. It's total made up BS.
Quote from: hawk on April 22, 2026, 09:49:49 AMGood Riddance to Pearson. He never played so he's not really a loss. Shaka can go and get a backup power forward for Parhame and the team is better off. You people really have to get over your distain for Hamilton. What has ever done to you??
It might be a better idea to recruit guys like him, people who will stay and honor commitments and fill in gaps with portal people instead of going after top 40 or 50 guys who will always leave early for more opprotunity.
So drop to the Horizon League?
Quote from: hawk on April 22, 2026, 09:49:49 AMGood Riddance to Pearson. He never played so he's not really a loss. Shaka can go and get a backup power forward for Parhame and the team is better off. You people really have to get over your distain for Hamilton. What has ever done to you??
It might be a better idea to recruit guys like him, people who will stay and honor commitments and fill in gaps with portal people instead of going after top 40 or 50 guys who will always leave early for more opprotunity.
Hawk, Hamilton is probably a fine young man. But, this is pro ball now. The group consensus is that he's not high D-1 basketball talent...hence the frustration that MU should be recruiting better post players. It's not personal. I mean, Hamilton even did a RS! Fill a roster with Hamilton's and enjoy 5 wins per. Hopefully it clicks for him on court next season.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 10:05:57 AM#fakenews #lies
Just stop with this. It's total made up BS.
If you had to guess, do you think this changes Shaka's mentality at all regarding the portal? Will he just be all in now?
This is the second player of the season that "quit"/left on him with Zaide and now Pearson presumably for more money.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 10:05:57 AM#fakenews #lies
Just stop with this. It's total made up BS.
I'm not being pedantic - but what's the story if this isn't true?
Quote from: MUbiz on April 22, 2026, 09:58:05 AMPer a source I know - Sheek was tampered with heavily in the portal. As much as I loathe 18, it had nothing to do with 18 or playing time - it is a pure money play. Sheek is giving MUBB an opportunity to match the cash he is getting elsewhere.
My opinion - got to cut Sheek loose - MUBB cannot be getting into bidding wars with kids that never played before. Also - if we do pony up cash to keep Sheek - what are the big 3 going to do next off season? The same?
If true and he's not a bad teammate, get close enough on $ so Sheek stays. If you have to bump others, so be it. That said, I'm guessing his agent has something lined up with another program.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 10:05:57 AM#fakenews #lies
Just stop with this. It's total made up BS.
It's getting obvious that it's schtick. Say what you want about JB, he's usually not as ignorant about basketball-related stuff as this silliness suggests. Ipso fatso ... schtick.
I agree with Hawk. Lots of hand wringing over the loss of someone who hasn't played a minute. 6'11" 215lbs. I saw a practice before the 2nd Nova game. One on one drill and Sheek could not back Militic down to get a decent look at the basket. I don't think he would have gotten substantial minutes...early on at least.
Quote from: Wade-A-Minute on April 22, 2026, 11:13:40 AMI agree with Hawk. Lots of hand wringing over the loss of someone who hasn't played a minute. 6'11" 215lbs. I saw a practice before the 2nd Nova game. One on one drill and Sheek could not back Militic down to get a decent look at the basket. I don't think he would have gotten substantial minutes...early on at least.
The issue is we have zero depth, zero margin for error going into next year and already lost an important piece all while carrying two guys who have zero business sniffing this level of basketball and redshirting a player who almost definitely could have contributed more than those two last season.
Massive failure yet again from the roster standpoint
A Wolf In Sheek's Clothing.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 08:13:09 AMHe is. But Schertz is no slouch. Look how he used Robbie Avila - and Sheek is way more talented than him.
Ah, NO.
Sheek is more athletic - not more talented.
Quote from: Jockey on April 22, 2026, 11:36:40 AMAh, NO.
Sheek is more athletic - not more talented.
Point taken.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 22, 2026, 09:58:05 AMPer a source I know - Sheek was tampered with heavily in the portal. As much as I loathe 18, it had nothing to do with 18 or playing time - it is a pure money play. Sheek is giving MUBB an opportunity to match the cash he is getting elsewhere.
My opinion - got to cut Sheek loose - MUBB cannot be getting into bidding wars with kids that never played before. Also - if we do pony up cash to keep Sheek - what are the big 3 going to do next off season? The same?
My answer to that question is YES!!
Pay Sheek a commensurate number to what his other offers are!! Would that, might that mean we are going to have to pony up even more for the the other 3, and most likely others? YES!!!
Im sick of this BS that MU wants to be a big time program and compete with the top teams in the country, blah, blah, blah.
Either put up or shut up. It is what the top teams in our conference and the country are doing!
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 22, 2026, 06:52:58 AMAnd ... yes, for the doubters, do you not think Sheek thought WTF ?! You're playing Hamilton and not me ?
Please provide the dollar figure that Hamilton will get paid for the 2026-27 season and also what Sheek would have received from Marquette for the 2026-27 season. Also, please provide your source for those figures, preferably with a link to substantiate it.
Thanks!
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 22, 2026, 11:41:17 AMMy answer to that question is YES!!
Pay Sheek a commensurate number to what his other offers are!! Would that, might that mean we are going to have to pony up even more for the the other 3, and most likely others? YES!!!
Im sick of this BS that MU wants to be a big time program and compete with the top teams in the country, blah, blah, blah.
Either put up or shut up. It is what the top teams in our conference and the country are doing!
They've put up this offseason. You have to have your head in the sand not to see that. Paying a guy way more than he's worth is just bad business.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 11:38:34 AMPoint taken.
Lol.
Avila: 127 ORtg with 22% usage; >60% eFG%, >25% assist rate, 43.7% ft rate, 62 made triples on 40.0% 3FG%
Sultan: Sheek is "way more" talented!
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 22, 2026, 11:41:17 AMMy answer to that question is YES!!
Pay Sheek a commensurate number to what his other offers are!! Would that, might that mean we are going to have to pony up even more for the the other 3, and most likely others? YES!!!
Im sick of this BS that MU wants to be a big time program and compete with the top teams in the country, blah, blah, blah.
Either put up or shut up. It is what the top teams in our conference and the country are doing!
It's not that simple.
Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:
Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M
We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.
Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.
You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?
In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.
So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:
- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.
FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 22, 2026, 11:41:17 AMMy answer to that question is YES!!
Pay Sheek a commensurate number to what his other offers are!! Would that, might that mean we are going to have to pony up even more for the the other 3, and most likely others? YES!!!
Im sick of this BS that MU wants to be a big time program and compete with the top teams in the country, blah, blah, blah.
Either put up or shut up. It is what the top teams in our conference and the country are doing!
Why didn't UConn put up for Eric Reibe? Is UConn not a top team in our conference and the country?
brew, don't forget that if MU gave Sheek $2M, we'd have to give Hamilton $2.1M because he's Shaka's favorite. That's just common sense and basic math.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:50 PMIt's not that simple.
Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:
Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M
We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.
Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.
You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?
In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.
So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:
- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.
FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.
And he knew Caedin would get the bulk of the minutes, too. Was probably told as much and then told he'd be getting a pay cut so we could pay Caedin more.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 05:39:22 AMShaka brought in a guy from the portal to play in front of a youngster anticipating big minutes.
Not that surprising.
But is certainly another screw up by Mr. Kahn
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 11:56:57 AMLol.
Avila: 127 ORtg with 22% usage; >60% eFG%, >25% assist rate, 43.7% ft rate, 62 made triples on 40.0% 3FG%
Sultan: Sheek is "way more" talented!
Dude, if you would have posted this before Sultan's reply - fine.
Posting it when you did is just dumb after Sultan admitted he was wrong.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 07:21:26 AMAnd he is still 10s of thousands of f ups behind you.
Glad you think so.Your screwups have been well noted, like your constant love for Wojo. 10s of thousands. That is a beauty coming from you. Are you applying equal idolatry to Shaka as you did Wojo? Seems so.
Adorable chihuahua. I root for MU and want every coach to succeed. You whine like an overstimulated toddler about everyone and everything. So cute.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 07:21:26 AMAnd he is still 10s of thousands of f ups behind you.
Glad you think so.Your screwups have been well noted, like your constant love for Wojo. 10s of thousands. That is a beauty coming from you. Are you applying equal idolatry to Shaka as you did Wojo? Seems so.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 22, 2026, 09:41:41 AMBut the good news is that MU can use the portal again to get another starting center next year. Maybe even Sheek! Doubtful, but these days you never know.
Or the NCAA grants 5 years of eligibility, Fru gets grandfathered in for a 5th year, and MU finds a way to retain him. You never know what the NCAA is going to do, especially since the NCAA doesn't even know what they're going to do.
So true about NCAA
Before NIL, players transferred all the time if they though they weren't going to get playing time they thought they deserved. So that was probably a factor. NIL money is also obviously a factor. Saying it is just one or the other doesn't make sense to me.
If it would have happened before the Fru signing, then yeah, it would have been JUST about the money.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:50 PMIt's not that simple.
Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:
Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M
We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.
Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.
You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?
In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.
So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:
- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.
FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.
Well, wouldn't say its best for Marquette that our only capable backup C leaves, but as long as they find a serviceable replacement it might turn out ok. Time will tell.
Quote from: Jockey on April 22, 2026, 12:17:10 PMDude, if you would have posted this before Sultan's reply - fine.
Posting it when you did is just dumb after Sultan admitted he was wrong.
He didn't admit he was wrong. He said, 'point taken'.
You can accept someone's point as their opinion or thought, it doesn't mean you agree and admit your awful mistake. Not to mention, is this like the first time you've ever seen someone keep loading on (pawz) after someone makes a massive error? It's scoop my boy. Sultan will be OK.
#pointplankn
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:50 PMIt's not that simple.
Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:
Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M
We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.
Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.
You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?
In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.
So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:
- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.
FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.
Very well thought out. This paints a nice picture for me on the situation.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2026, 12:25:24 PMVery well thought out. This paints a nice picture for me on the situation.
Yes, but the part left out is, "you are carrying four centers including a guy the coach has made bizarre decisions on in the past.. therefore, despite the RELATIONSHIPS, you're open to considering other situations in the first place and not ALL IN for #muMbb".
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 12:22:29 PMHe didn't admit he was wrong. He said, 'point taken'.
You can accept someone's point as their opinion or thought, it doesn't mean you agree and admit your awful mistake. Not to mention, is this like the first time you've ever seen someone keep loading on (pawz) after someone makes a massive error? It's scoop my boy. Sultan will be OK.
#pointplankn
I am fine. And I was wrong. I should have said he has potentially more upside.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 12:27:09 PMYes, but the part left out is, "you are carrying four centers including a guy the coach has made bizarre decisions on in the past.. therefore, despite the RELATIONSHIPS, you're open to considering other situations in the first place and not ALL IN for #muMbb".
I don't really know what you are rambling about. I want Marquette carrying 4 centers, especially in a way that makes us able to afford one of the most expensive on the market like Sananda Fru.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2026, 12:36:21 PMI don't really know what you are rambling about. I want Marquette carrying 4 centers, especially in a way that makes us able to afford one of the most expensive on the market like Sananda Fru.
What I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 12:43:33 PMWhat I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.
I don't know why people can't see this. Sheek knew.
I'm not as high on Sheek as others I suppose, but I'm certainly as low on 18 and Clark. I'm not sure Hamiltoe would provide any value in even his 8th year with the program
Meh. Ledaryl Billingsley and Odartey Blankson went on to be decent college players. I didn't lose sleep on how their "elsewhere" stats would define their MU absence, and I won't do it with the latest cool name to dis MU.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:50 PMIt's not that simple.
Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:
Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M
We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.
Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.
You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?
In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.
So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:
- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.
FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.
Dont get me wrong im ok with that scenario too. If Sheek is asking for an amount that is say way more than is the going rate, for the team and the nation, then the staff needs to make a value assessment.
That said if they are not willing to pay the assumed premium for Sheek, they will absolutely need to pay the market rate for a back up big. Again to state you want to run with the big boys and then run Caedin Hamilton out there again is completely contradictory.
Let's all just agree that SLU should be a team we all hope the worst for in the future, eh?
I'd like to see where he lands before judging motivation -- unless someone actually has inside into which i havent yet seen shared.
Seems like there were a lot of late entries across the p6 as many expected. I'm not shocked in this world we would have one of those too. Even blue bloods like UCONN and MSU had players who were projected to be contributors jump this year.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 22, 2026, 01:05:49 PMI'm not as high on Sheek as others I suppose, but I'm certainly as low on 18 and Clark. I'm not sure Hamiltoe would provide any value in even his 8th year with the program
Scoop does have a habit of elevating every player (recruit or bench) who has yet to dribble a basketball in an MU game into an All-American.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 22, 2026, 01:56:11 PMI'd like to see where he lands before judging motivation -- unless someone actually has inside into which i havent yet seen shared.
Seems like there were a lot of late entries across the p6 as many expected. I'm not shocked in this world we would have one of those too. Even blue bloods like UCONN and MSU had players who were projected to be contributors jump this year.
Marquette has been largely immune to transfers of important pieces the last few years. They've been the exception to the rule.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 22, 2026, 12:17:22 PMGlad you think so.Your screwups have been well noted, like your constant love for Wojo. 10s of thousands. That is a beauty coming from you. Are you applying equal idolatry to Shaka as you did Wojo? Seems so.
Your words disturb the gentle, blossom-fringed lotus pond like a 40-pound bag of flaming feces hurled from afar, Dung Willie
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 12:43:33 PMWhat I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.
No he isn't.
Regardless of reason... playing time, NIL, whatever, the fact is that the moment Shaka started playing in the portal sandbox, he lost the edge in player retention. Relationships I'm sure are still a factor in his recruiting and retention, but it's not what it was and we'll see far more guys leave now than we did previously.
We all know big men are getting a huge premium....
And thru tampering someone said we are go to fill your pockets young man....
With only 1% of college players making it to the NBA....
With the rules in place....I don't blame kids for getting 4 or 5 years of cashing in.
Would you like to make $1 million plus for 4 or 5 years....That is life changing money....
Not quite generational money....But you have to think the rules are going to change....it is like a gold rush....Grab it while you can....
That is the way of our world....
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2026, 02:07:57 PMNo he isn't.
He is if we don't sign another big.
I hope and assume we will though.
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 22, 2026, 02:08:28 PMRegardless of reason... playing time, NIL, whatever, the fact is that the moment Shaka started playing in the portal sandbox, he lost the edge in player retention. Relationships I'm sure are still a factor in his recruiting and retention, but it's not what it was and we'll see far more guys leave now than we did previously.
I don't know. It sounds like the money may have been too good to turn down, even if he thought Shaka walked on water.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 22, 2026, 01:56:11 PMI'd like to see where he lands before judging motivation -- unless someone actually has inside into which i havent yet seen shared.
Seems like there were a lot of late entries across the p6 as many expected. I'm not shocked in this world we would have one of those too. Even blue bloods like UCONN and MSU had players who were projected to be contributors jump this year.
Sir, this is an Arby's.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 12:43:33 PMWhat I'm rambling about is that our coach is going to play 18 in the regular rotation in the first half of basketball games.
Schtick.
The portal is a tool that goes both ways.
Now, I am counting on scoop to come with appropriate and inappropriate zingers with this set up. For example:...just like (scoop name here).
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 02:54:34 PMSchtick.
Do you genuinely think that isn't going to happen at any point?
I have a list of scumbag schools that would entertain all types of rules violations when there pretty much are no rules....
Both K schools....A school that wears Candy stripes.....2 schools in our league...Some of the "shady crew".
Pretty much see what they can get in "Wave 1"....Then really starting working the agents on "target kids" where they can dump a bag of $$$.
After all....Before these rules were instituted....Kentucky paid Anthony Davis XXX,000 and a home to got to school there for however long.....Front page....All documented in Chicago Tribune....Kentucky threatened to sue....But never did....
Does anyone think there's a chance Sheek is convinced to stick with Marquette through more NIL money and assurances?
I think it's maybe at 25%
Last night outside my hotel were some street dogs squealing and fighting and it reminded me to check the transfer portal thread
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 03:05:26 PMDo you genuinely think that isn't going to happen at any point?
Gold was replaced with a Center that played less minutes last season, so to me it seems likely to happen. No reason Fru can't play same amount of minutes as Gold next season, but as it stands today I'd be surprised if Hamilton isn't in the mix for 10min a game like he was last year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:50 PMIt's not that simple.
Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:
Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M
We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.
Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.
You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?
In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.
So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:
- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.
FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.
Just a bump.
Who knows if Pearson would have developed into a really good player or not, but I would rather take that gamble than to rely on Hamilton to get better. With Pearson leaving, it would seem that, just like last year, our back-up bigs are Hamilton and Clark. Fru may be able to cover 25 minutes a game, but the other 15 minutes will go to two guys who either cannot play (Hamilton) or still have a long way to go (Clark).
Quote from: rgoode57 on April 22, 2026, 03:27:32 PMWho knows if Pearson would have developed into a really good player or not, but I would rather take that gamble than to rely on Hamilton to get better. With Pearson leaving, it would seem that, just like last year, our back-up bigs are Hamilton and Clark. Fru may be able to cover 25 minutes a game, but the other 15 minutes will go to two guys who either cannot play (Hamilton) or still have a long way to go (Clark).
With no additions some of those minutes will go to Royce.
Shaka needs to add a serviceable backup big.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 22, 2026, 03:14:29 PMDoes anyone think there's a chance Sheek is convinced to stick with Marquette through more NIL money and assurances?
I think it's maybe at 25%
0%
This is so worth having exciting FF match ups like UM-AZ. Much better than what college basketball used to be - thank goodness those dark ages are behind us.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:50 PMIt's not that simple.
Let's say that Marquette was paying the following:
Sheek $500k
Adrien $1M
Royce $1.5M
NJ $2.8M
Fru $3.2M
We've established Adrien, Royce, & NJ are the core three. So while you might pay an in demand proven big like Fru more than your core, you aren't doing than for the redshirt who's never played a minute of D1.
Then back in Sheek's hometown, the local team goes into a panic when their top transfer target goes from likely commit to a Duke Blue Devil a day before the portal entry window closes. They call Sheek and promise a starting job and the $2M they planned to give Scharnowski. If you're Sheek, quadrupling your money while getting a starting job and being close to family is a no brainer.
You say yes, but I have to give MU the chance to match because they took a shot on me reclassing and already invested time and coaching into my development. Now the question is does Marquette match?
In order to do so, it's not as simple as raising Sheek from $500k to $2M. If you do that, you pretty much have to bring Adrien and Royce up to that same level. They're the core you committed to and if you are paying them less than the 7tb or 8th man on the bench, wherever Sheek lands, they might not enter the portal now but you can bet they'll be making plans all season long and the locker room won't be as healthy a place.
So now you have to bring three guys to $2M. Here's the actual cost of keeping Sheek in this scenario and not destroying your locker room in the process:
- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Is it really worth spending more money to keep Sheek than you spent on NJ or Fru? Of course not, that's insane for the 7th or 8th guy. It also sets a precedent that you will cave to exorbitant demands and weaken your negotiating position in the future.
FBOW the reality is it's best for all parties that Sheek leave. Better for him, better for Marquette. Now the staff needs to pivot to find a replacement.
Might as well just offer Milan $3.5MM then.
Quote from: rgoode57 on April 22, 2026, 03:27:32 PMWho knows if Pearson would have developed into a really good player or not, but I would rather take that gamble than to rely on Hamilton to get better. With Pearson leaving, it would seem that, just like last year, our back-up bigs are Hamilton and Clark. Fru may be able to cover 25 minutes a game, but the other 15 minutes will go to two guys who either cannot play (Hamilton) or still have a long way to go (Clark).
Let's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?
Oh so Hamilton "can't play" because he missed some bunnies at the rim? Or maybe got lost in a defensive rotation or two? Sure, he didn't perform up to Shaka's hype of him. We all
know he busts his a$$ and maybe is a bit confident and amped at times. I'd prefer that to unsure of himself, scared, and sulking around pouting about things not going his way on the court.
And Clark has "a long way to go". Can you think of something that was once difficult in your life until it wasn't. Something that confounded you and then you worked at it until it became so easy? Not trying to sound like Dodds here, but I have a lot of faith that these guys will get better.
And for dear sakes, Trevor Powell became a very, very good player by his JR year. His first couple years, he could barely catch an entry pass into the post. And yet there was a ton of buzz about his talents out of HS. He lived up to it in his last two years.
Cut these guys some slack!! Stop with the "18" references in lieu of his name. Some of you have coached and should know better. It's Caedin freaking Hamilton, and he's family, business or not. And maybe I just watched the wrong couple games, but I saw Josh Clark really running the floor well for his height and even blocking a few shots pretty naturally. Omg he was out of position a couple times on D 😱 during his FR season!
I'm sorry if I focused on one poster here, as I do "get" his logical concerns. I'm just tired of hearing the sky is falling 24/7 regarding Hamilton & Clark. I really think Clark is going to be very good, and I think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 22, 2026, 04:17:16 PMLet's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?
Oh so Hamilton "can't play" because he missed some bunnies at the rim? Or maybe got lost in a defensive rotation or two? Sure, he didn't perform up to Shaka's hype of him. We all
know he busts his a$$ and maybe is a bit confident and amped at times. I'd prefer that to unsure of himself, scared, and sulking around pouting about things not going his way on the court.
And Clark has "a long way to go". Can you think of something that was once difficult in your life until it wasn't. Something that confounded you and then you worked at it until it became so easy? Not trying to sound like Dodds here, but I have a lot of faith that these guys will get better.
And for dear sakes, Trevor Powell became a very, very good player by his JR year. His first couple years, he could barely catch an entry pass into the post. And yet there was a ton of buzz about his talents out of HS. He lived up to it in his last two years.
Cut these guys some slack!! Stop with the "18" references in lieu of his name. Some of you have coached and should know better. It's Caedin freaking Hamilton, and he's family, business or not. And maybe I just watched the wrong couple games, but I saw Josh Clark really running the floor well for his height and even blocking a few shots pretty naturally. Omg he was out of position a couple times on D 😱 during his FR season!
I'm sorry if I focused on one poster here, as I do "get" his logical concerns. I'm just tired of hearing the sky is falling 24/7 regarding Hamilton & Clark. I really think Clark is going to be very good, and I think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.
Found 18's burner
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 04:20:42 PMFound 18's burner
Predicted that exact response. 👏
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 22, 2026, 02:08:28 PMRegardless of reason... playing time, NIL, whatever, the fact is that the moment Shaka started playing in the portal sandbox, he lost the edge in player retention. Relationships I'm sure are still a factor in his recruiting and retention, but it's not what it was and we'll see far more guys leave now than we did previously.
Shaka only ended up in the portal sandbox because MU did some poor recruiting and talent evaluation when recruiting players out of HS.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 22, 2026, 04:17:16 PMI think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.
Good grief.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 12:05:50 PM- $500k - Original Sheek cost
- $1.5M - Additional needed to keep Sheek
- $500k - Additional needed to get Royce matching Sheek
- $1M - Additional needed to get Adrien matching Sheek
- $3.5M - Total expenditures to keep Sheek on the roster
Do you really think an unproven 4-star redshirt is gonna get $2 Mil? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems high to me - especially if Parham is getting 1.5
Quote from: Jockey on April 22, 2026, 04:38:23 PMDo you really think an unproven 4-star redshirt is gonna get $2 Mil? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems high to me - especially if Parham is getting 1.5
I think he was probably just using it as an example, but if someone like SLU is desperate after missing out on other targets, going from $500k to $1 mil and a starting spot with big minutes could tip the scale.
In the way back machine, we used to lament that neither Crean nor Buzz could land quality bigs. And we used to joke that you couldn't just go down to the corner market and find one.
Well, now you can. But the corner store is a Porsche dealership.
And you are going to pay above sticker.
Or, if you prefer the housing market, more buyers than sellers and bidding wars for every decent house.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 03:05:26 PMDo you genuinely think that isn't going to happen at any point?
Do I genuinely think what isn't going to happen at any point? What are you asking?
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 05:05:38 PMDo I genuinely think what isn't going to happen at any point? What are you asking?
Caedin being part of the rotation and getting minutes in the first half of games.
Quote from: LAZER on April 22, 2026, 04:43:29 PMI think he was probably just using it as an example, but if someone like SLU is desperate after missing out on other targets, going from $500k to $1 mil and a starting spot with big minutes could tip the scale.
Except he said keeping Sheek would cost MU $3.5 mil.
Quote from: Jockey on April 22, 2026, 04:38:23 PMDo you really think an unproven 4-star redshirt is gonna get $2 Mil? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems high to me - especially if Parham is getting 1.5
Yes.
Which is why it's a smart move for Sheek and a smart move for MU not to match.
Quote from: Jockey on April 22, 2026, 05:10:33 PMExcept he said keeping Sheek would cost MU $3.5 mil.
He literally explained that included the estimated cost to bump others up as well.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 22, 2026, 04:17:16 PMLet's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?
Oh so Hamilton "can't play" because he missed some bunnies at the rim? Or maybe got lost in a defensive rotation or two? Sure, he didn't perform up to Shaka's hype of him. We all
know he busts his a$$ and maybe is a bit confident and amped at times. I'd prefer that to unsure of himself, scared, and sulking around pouting about things not going his way on the court.
Sure, they can "cover" 12 minutes between them. So could I, in that sense. However, there is no evidence that can contribute to winning basketball in that time, and loads of evidence that they can't.
"Got lost in a defensive rotation or two"? I don't think I've ever seen someone who played as many minutes as he did be so absolutely unaware of where he was supposed to be defensively so often.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 05:13:16 PMHe literally explained that included the estimated cost to bump others up as well.
Yeah. So it would cost MU 3.5 mil. I never said it didn't include that the bump for others.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 22, 2026, 04:17:16 PMLet's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?
Oh so Hamilton "can't play" because he missed some bunnies at the rim? Or maybe got lost in a defensive rotation or two? Sure, he didn't perform up to Shaka's hype of him. We all
know he busts his a$$ and maybe is a bit confident and amped at times. I'd prefer that to unsure of himself, scared, and sulking around pouting about things not going his way on the court.
And Clark has "a long way to go". Can you think of something that was once difficult in your life until it wasn't. Something that confounded you and then you worked at it until it became so easy? Not trying to sound like Dodds here, but I have a lot of faith that these guys will get better.
And for dear sakes, Trevor Powell became a very, very good player by his JR year. His first couple years, he could barely catch an entry pass into the post. And yet there was a ton of buzz about his talents out of HS. He lived up to it in his last two years.
Cut these guys some slack!! Stop with the "18" references in lieu of his name. Some of you have coached and should know better. It's Caedin freaking Hamilton, and he's family, business or not. And maybe I just watched the wrong couple games, but I saw Josh Clark really running the floor well for his height and even blocking a few shots pretty naturally. Omg he was out of position a couple times on D 😱 during his FR season!
I'm sorry if I focused on one poster here, as I do "get" his logical concerns. I'm just tired of hearing the sky is falling 24/7 regarding Hamilton & Clark. I really think Clark is going to be very good, and I think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.
Shaka cannot rely on Josh or Caedin to play regular minutes. The good thing is he knows that, which is why he got Fru. Now he'll have to go find a quality backup to Fru with Sheek gone.
But yeah the whole calling him "18" is one of the lamer things I've seen on Scoop. And there's a lot. Says a lot about posters who think that's some creative burn.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 05:53:21 PMShaka cannot rely on Josh or Caedin to play regular minutes. The good thing is he knows that, which is why he got Fru. Now he'll have to go find a quality backup to Fru with Sheek gone.
But yeah the whole calling him "18" is one of the lamer things I've seen on Scoop. And there's a lot. Says a lot about posters who think that's some creative burn.
I fully expect Shaka to find a serviceable back-up big. Yes. This "18" shtick is stupid.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 05:07:33 PMCaedin being part of the rotation and getting minutes in the first half of games.
Had Sheek stayed, no.
If we add another big from the portal, no.
If we don't add another big, yes, someone is gonna have to play when Fru needs a rest or gets fouls.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 07:38:23 PMHad Sheek stayed, no.
If we add another big from the portal, no.
If we don't add another big, yes, someone is gonna have to play when Fru needs a rest or gets fouls.
False! He will, and always was, get minutes.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 07:44:56 PMFalse! He will, and always was, get minutes.
You are so fetishizing Caedin you are willing to abandon grammar.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 07:48:44 PMSo fetishizing Caedin you are willing to abandon grammar.
Point it is showing how backwards this situation is.
#NoMoreGuards
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 07:38:23 PMHad Sheek stayed, no.
If we add another big from the portal, no.
If we don't add another big, yes, someone is gonna have to play when Fru needs a rest or gets fouls.
Your second point is only going to apply if he gets someone who Shaka thinks is better than Caedin. And if the counterpoint is 'Why would he get someone who he thinks is worse than Caedin?', well, I got a Josh Clark I can sell you.
Quote from: Jockey on April 22, 2026, 04:38:23 PMDo you really think an unproven 4-star redshirt is gonna get $2 Mil? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems high to me - especially if Parham is getting 1.5
Do I think an unproven 4-star redshirt deserves $2M? No.
Do I think that's right around what SLU offered him? Yes.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 22, 2026, 08:01:10 PMYour second point is only going to apply if he gets someone who Shaka thinks is better than Caedin. And if the counterpoint is 'Why would he get someone who he thinks is worse than Caedin?', well, I got a Josh Clark I can sell you.
Good for you. Never change!
Trying to buy their way into the Big East....If St. Louis me thinks you made a terrible mistake.....And this action would have the opposite effect....
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 12:51:44 PMI don't know why people can't see this. Sheek knew.
He knew.
He knew like you know about a good melon.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 08:24:38 PMDo I think an unproven 4-star redshirt deserves $2M? No.
Do I think that's right around what SLU offered him? Yes.
Based on numbers I've heard for other players, I highly highly doubt he was offered anywhere near $2M.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 07:38:23 PMHad Sheek stayed, no.
If we add another big from the portal, no.
If we don't add another big, yes, someone is gonna have to play when Fru needs a rest or gets fouls.
I would rather have Owens, Parham, Clark get the backup center minutes than Hamilton. It's really scary that Hamilton is still in the program because Shaka's bizarre blind spot regarding him means he could make the mistake of playing him in games again. Shaka already sabotaged one season playing Hamilton and now it could happen again. Pay whatever necessary to keep Pearson and show Hamilton the door.
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 22, 2026, 09:42:14 PMI would rather have Owens, Parham, Clark get the backup center minutes than Hamilton. It's really scary that Hamilton is still in the program because Shaka's bizarre blind spot regarding him means he could make the mistake of playing him in games again. Shaka already sabotaged one season playing Hamilton and now it could happen again. Pay whatever necessary to keep Pearson and show Hamilton the door.
LOL
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 22, 2026, 09:42:14 PMI would rather have Owens, Parham, Clark get the backup center minutes than Hamilton. It's really scary that Hamilton is still in the program because Shaka's bizarre blind spot regarding him means he could make the mistake of playing him in games again. Shaka already sabotaged one season playing Hamilton and now it could happen again. Pay whatever necessary to keep Pearson and show Hamilton the door.
Cool.
Quote from: forgetful on April 22, 2026, 09:25:28 PMBased on numbers I've heard for other players, I highly highly doubt he was offered anywhere near $2M.
I have bad news for you.
Quote from: forgetful on April 22, 2026, 09:25:28 PMBased on numbers I've heard for other players, I highly highly doubt he was offered anywhere near $2M.
I have bad news for you.
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 22, 2026, 09:42:14 PMI would rather have Owens, Parham, Clark get the backup center minutes than Hamilton. It's really scary that Hamilton is still in the program because Shaka's bizarre blind spot regarding him means he could make the mistake of playing him in games again. Shaka already sabotaged one season playing Hamilton and now it could happen again. Pay whatever necessary to keep Pearson and show Hamilton the door.
Owens is 6'7. Parham is 6'8. Clark is as bad on defense as Hamilton. There is nothing scary about a player returning to the program. Hamilton alone was not the reason Marquette lost 20 games last year. Sheek is gone, come to terms with it and get a grip.
I don't believe Sheek left because Hamilton stayed.
I don't believe Hamilton is capable of giving us meaningful minutes.
I have no idea what Sheek looked liked in a year at MU against Hamilton, work-ethic wise, teammate wise, etc...
I believe Hamilton has done everything Shaka has asked him to do. I believe he is an amazing kid, and I hope like hell he proves me and everyone wrong.
In a world of 15 scholarship players, I have no issue with Shaka keeping Hamilton around. Given that I don't believe him staying was the reason Sheek left, I think an argument can be made that we should be happy Hamilton stayed and didn't transfer to a MM. I'm very hopeful that he continues to work his butt off, is a solid practice player, and in situational minutes (along with Clark), can help MU this year.
careful man, that is way too even measured for this board.
The only thing you forgot to say is that it is freaking April and we have two open scholarships and that meaningful basketball doesn't return for SEVEN whole months.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 22, 2026, 02:18:38 PMI don't know. It sounds like the money may have been too good to turn down, even if he thought Shaka walked on water.
Can you imagine what Jim Chones would be getting in this wild wild west of college sports.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 06:53:37 AMCan you imagine what Jim Chones would be getting in this wild wild west of college sports.
...let's just say, if Al looked in the Chones refrigerator, it would no longer be empty.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 06:53:37 AMCan you imagine what Jim Chones would be getting in this wild wild west of college sports.
He wouldn't sniff a roster today
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 07:17:51 AMHe wouldn't sniff a roster today
Jim Chones is just a better Matt Heldt.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 23, 2026, 07:23:21 AMJim Chones is just a better Matt Heldt.
Don't insult Matt Heldt like that. Chones could work the popcorn stand
Quote from: avid1010 on April 23, 2026, 06:30:39 AMI don't believe Sheek left because Hamilton stayed.
I don't believe Hamilton is capable of giving us meaningful minutes.
I have no idea what Sheek looked liked in a year at MU against Hamilton, work-ethic wise, teammate wise, etc...
I believe Hamilton has done everything Shaka has asked him to do. I believe he is an amazing kid, and I hope like hell he proves me and everyone wrong.
In a world of 15 scholarship players, I have no issue with Shaka keeping Hamilton around. Given that I don't believe him staying was the reason Sheek left, I think an argument can be made that we should be happy Hamilton stayed and didn't transfer to a MM. I'm very hopeful that he continues to work his butt off, is a solid practice player, and in situational minutes (along with Clark), can help MU this year.
Well said.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 07:44:56 PMFalse! He will, and always was, get minutes.
getting not get
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2026, 08:24:38 PMDo I think an unproven 4-star redshirt deserves $2M? No.
Do I think that's right around what SLU offered him? Yes.
Thanks, Brew.
I know they've invested plenty of $$$ but does SLU really have 2m to spend on a center?
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 23, 2026, 09:27:00 AMI know they've invested plenty of $$$ but does SLU really have 2m to spend on a center?
Yes, easily.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 09:28:16 AMYes, easily.
Then why not get a good one? Why didn't they spend 3 or 3.5 on Fru? If they have 2 mil to splash on Sheek, they could have gone top shelf.
Quote from: 1SE on April 23, 2026, 09:48:14 AMThen why not get a good one? Why didn't they spend 3 or 3.5 on Fru? If they have 2 mil to splash on Sheek, they could have gone top shelf.
Because $2m isn't $3m. Or they feel that Sheek might be a top shelf player. Not to mention that they'll probably have to overspend since they're in a mid-major conference with a much smaller TV deal. Less exposure for the players.
I don't know the motivation, but you can easily google as to why SLU has money to spend.
Quote from: 1SE on April 23, 2026, 09:48:14 AMThen why not get a good one? Why didn't they spend 3 or 3.5 on Fru? If they have 2 mil to splash on Sheek, they could have gone top shelf.
Rumor is that they thought they had Drew Scharnowski from Belmont locked up, but Duke swept in at the last minute. So them turning to Sheek is a bit of a last minute move.
Quote from: 1SE on April 23, 2026, 09:48:14 AMThen why not get a good one? Why didn't they spend 3 or 3.5 on Fru? If they have 2 mil to splash on Sheek, they could have gone top shelf.
Perhaps they missed on their targets, had resources and got a little desperate and overpaid to secure a high-upside prospect.
My concern with Hamilton is purely about whether Shaka leans on him as the backup C next year. If we go out and add another capable big, fine, Hamilton on the roster doesn't bother me. But if we don't do that because Shaka thinks he can actually rely on him to contribute, that's a serious problem.
It sounds like the Sheek news caught the staff off guard so we should give them some time to find a replacement. But if there's been no progress in the next couple weeks that would not feel great.
This whole Caedin Hamilton chatter is fine. The coach should be judged on who he runs off and who he opts not too run off.
But I will say this staff did clearly run off the 2 players on the roster last year who were worse than Caedin, in tre and sean.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 23, 2026, 09:54:49 AMBut I will say this staff did clearly run off the 2 players on the roster last year who were worse than Caedin, in tre and sean.
If I recall one of the advanced stats sites had Cardin as the second worst high major D1 player.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 23, 2026, 09:52:21 AMMy concern with Hamilton is purely about whether Shaka leans on him as the backup C next year. If we go out and add another capable big, fine, Hamilton on the roster doesn't bother me. But if we don't do that because Shaka thinks he can actually rely on him to contribute, that's a serious problem.
Caedin wasn't horrible in the UConn game coming off the bench. I think if Clark can improve, Shaka might be able to have one serviceable 10 min a game big between the two. My concern is 3 point shooting. Hoping Phillips improves his all around game to see the court more. If not, I believe this is where we need to get another rental.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 23, 2026, 10:06:25 AMIf I recall one of the advanced stats sites had Cardin as the second worst high major D1 player.
Probably filtered by qualified number of possessions or minutes.
Sean and Tre were worse than him.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 23, 2026, 09:54:49 AMThis whole Caedin Hamilton chatter is fine. The coach should be judged on who he runs off and who he opts not too run off.
But I will say this staff did clearly run off the 2 players on the roster last year who were worse than Caedin, in tre and sean.
I disagree. IMO, Caedin was our worst player. Again, IMO, when he did something well, it felt like it was an accident. He doesn't even look comfortable playing basketball.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 23, 2026, 09:27:00 AMI know they've invested plenty of $$$ but does SLU really have 2m to spend on a center?
If Nepo Brat Ross Chaifetz wants a new center, especially one poached from evil Marquette, daddy is going to buy one for him.
Chaifetz is actively trying to buy SLU's way into the Big East.
I feel badly for Hamilton because the staff placed a lot of pressure on a guy with very little experience. Shaka talks him up in the media in the offseason and then starts him when it was clear he wasn't ready. Maybe Shaka was trying to light a fire under Parham (who started the season slowly) or maybe he realized his roster was weak and he needed to roll the dice in the hope of catching lightning in a bottle. In any event, there'd be a lot less pressure on Hamilton now if Shaka slowly worked him in from farther down the bench, which would have been more in line with where Hamilton was in his development. At this point, MU looks to have the makings of a decent starting five but no proven depth.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 23, 2026, 10:06:25 AMIf I recall one of the advanced stats sites had Cardin as the second worst high major D1 player.
Second worst offensive high major player who played at least 500 possessions, beating out Dorin Buca of Kansas State. I shudder to think what Dorin's offense looks like.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2026, 10:21:26 AMSecond worst offensive high major player who played at least 500 possessions, beating out Dorin Buca of Kansas State. I shudder to think what Dorin's offense looks like.
The staff has to be aware of this, right?
Quote from: 1SE on April 23, 2026, 09:48:14 AMThen why not get a good one? Why didn't they spend 3 or 3.5 on Fru? If they have 2 mil to splash on Sheek, they could have gone top shelf.
Because nobody wants to live in STL or play for SLU. They need to overpay players, even ones who are hometown kids.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 23, 2026, 10:22:52 AMThe staff has to be aware of this, right?
They are. But the same site has Caedin as our big defensive big man last season.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 23, 2026, 10:14:09 AMI disagree. IMO, Caedin was our worst player. Again, IMO, when he did something well, it felt like it was an accident. He doesn't even look comfortable playing basketball.
People who disagree with this don't like the defensive aspect of basketball. Or can't accept the simple fact that taller players are better players.
EvanMiya BPR
Caedin Hamilton -0.38
Tre Norman -0.60
Sean Jones -1.01
HoopExplorer RAPM NET
Caedin Hamilton 1.7
Tre Norman 0.3
Sean Jones -1.7
Hell just for fun. Box oRtg
Caedin Hamilton 96.6
Tre Norman 93.5
Sean Jones 96.3
I am not arguing that he is even an average NCAA player.
We just had two players on our team worse than him.
These dudes are on the roster no matter how we feel about it.
I really hope another offseason allows Josh Clark (7 footers don't grow on trees) to come around. I don't know what it is about Caedin but he's not athletic enough to compete at this level. Have you ever seen him jump? There's no lift whatsoever. Josh at least has the height and leaping ability to turn into a rim protector/runner.
If Josh and Caedin haven't reached the level of serviceable Big East center by November 2026, then there are absolutely grounds to cut them loose next April.
I'd be surprised if Caedin didn't graduate and transfer out after next year.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 23, 2026, 10:30:06 AMI'd be surprised if Caedin didn't graduate and transfer out after next year.
That's if Marquette University can survive as an institution with him in it. People are saying that he's also responsible for the recent Milwaukee floods.
One silver lining about Sheek Leaving is that MU might become a better 3-point shooting team. Sheek leaving opens up minutes for Ian Miletic, MPIII, and Owens at PF. So we could end up playing small ball a bit more. I've heard good things about Ian and have seen enough from a (should be in HS) Phillips that I'm intrigued. Also, Owens had one of his best games when he started in place of Royce. Giving those guys more run might unlock their potential. We can throw some lineups with impressive positional size
PG: Nolan Minessale (6'5)
Wing: Damarius Owenns
Wing: Ian Miletic (6'7) / MPIII (6'7)
Wing: Royce Parham (6'8)
C/F: Sananda Fru (6'11)
Quote from: wadesworld on April 23, 2026, 10:30:06 AMI'd be surprised if Caedin didn't graduate and transfer out after next year.
And take the entire team with him to Saint Louis. Then SLU will be admitted to the BE and Marquette will join the A10. Shaka will return to VCU.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 23, 2026, 10:24:39 AMPeople who disagree with this don't like the defensive aspect of basketball. Or can't accept the simple fact that taller players are better players.
EvanMiya BPR
Caedin Hamilton -0.38
Tre Norman -0.60
Sean Jones -1.01
HoopExplorer RAPM NET
Caedin Hamilton 1.7
Tre Norman 0.3
Sean Jones -1.7
Hell just for fun. Box oRtg
Caedin Hamilton 96.6
Tre Norman 93.5
Sean Jones 96.3
I am not arguing that he is even an average NCAA player.
We just had two players on our team worse than him.
That's fair, I guess. I'm basing it on the "eye test".
For example, in on of the last games of the season CH blocked out his guy for a defensive rebound (positive) then the rebound went to the other team, and CH continued to block out his guy instead of trying to prevent a put-back shot by the other team, which they made. 100% of D1 players pivot from a block-out to playing defense in that situation.
My subjective evaluation is he has no feel for the game. He looks like a bundle of nerves on the court. Playing doesn't seem enjoyable to him, unlike his very positive and energetic demeanor on the bench.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 23, 2026, 10:41:51 AMThat's fair, I guess. I'm basing it on the "eye test".
For example, in on of the last games of the season CH blocked out his guy for a defensive rebound (positive) then the rebound went to the other team, and CH continued to block out his guy instead of trying to prevent a put-back shot by the other team, which they made. 100% of D1 players pivot from a block-out to playing defense in that situation.
My subjective evaluation is he has no feel for the game. He looks like a bundle of nerves on the court. Playing doesn't seem enjoyable to him, unlike his very positive and energetic demeanor on the bench.
I have no doubt Caedin Hamilton is a great person, student, and teammate. I bet he helps little old grannies cross the street and always brings his mom flowers. This doesn't change the fact he absolutely, positively, should not be getting playing time on the Marquette basketball team.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 23, 2026, 10:38:56 AMAnd take the entire team with him to Saint Louis. Then SLU will be admitted to the BE and Marquette will join the A10. Shaka will return to VCU.
A-10?!? We'll be lucky to get an invite to the MAAC
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2026, 10:21:26 AMSecond worst offensive high major player who played at least 500 possessions, beating out Dorin Buca of Kansas State. I shudder to think what Dorin's offense looks like.
Thanks for this. Whenever this was brought up, I always assumed he slightly beat out Clark.
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 23, 2026, 10:07:24 AMCaedin wasn't horrible in the UConn game coming off the bench. I think if Clark can improve, Shaka might be able to have one serviceable 10 min a game big between the two. My concern is 3 point shooting. Hoping Phillips improves his all around game to see the court more. If not, I believe this is where we need to get another rental.
While players generally improve year to year, I think it is a long shot Clark improves enough to be a contributor. I mean, his minutes dwindled to nearly zero as the season wore on. I would think that if he showed even the slightest ability to positively impact a game, Shaka would have played him for a team going nowhere.
I think *hoping* those two guys would contribute is what got us a 12-20 season in the first place.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 23, 2026, 11:07:55 AMWhile players generally improve year to year, I think it is a long shot Clark improves enough to be a contributor. I mean, his minutes dwindled to nearly zero as the season wore on. I would think that if he showed even the slightest ability to positively impact a game, Shaka would have played him for a team going nowhere.
I think *hoping* those two guys would contribute is what got us a 12-20 season in the first place.
Thats why i can't believe we didnt #freejosh - give him extended run in meaningless season to show what (potential) he does(nt) have. If he really had nothing he should've been shakaxed and we could use his 100k towards buying a serviceable back up. Now we just have "hope"
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 23, 2026, 11:07:55 AMWhile players generally improve year to year, I think it is a long shot Clark improves enough to be a contributor. I mean, his minutes dwindled to nearly zero as the season wore on. I would think that if he showed even the slightest ability to positively impact a game, Shaka would have played him for a team going nowhere.
I think *hoping* those two guys would contribute is what got us a 12-20 season in the first place.
I'm all in favor of being positive about the outlook for next year. We, as MU fans, really should.
But we need to keep in the back of our minds, teams don't lose 20 games due to a handful of players underperforming. I'm sure Michigan has 2 or 3 guys that would be marginal contributors at MU, they just don't play much or at all.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 10:47:41 AMA-10?!? We'll be lucky to get an invite to the MAAC
Summit League swap with St Thomas.
Quote from: Badgerhater on April 23, 2026, 11:37:45 AMSummit League swap with St Thomas.
I like the MAAC because of the Catholic connection and it was the worst league of the two. Better chance to compete and keep worrier happy
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 11:45:24 AMI like the MAAC because of the Catholic connection and it was the worst league of the two. Better chance to compete and keep worrier happy
Good call. We would be joining at an exciting time too since the MAAC is getting an exciting new rebrand and logo! (https://www.midmajormadness.com/metro-atlantic-athletic-conference/33528/commissioner-says-maac-will-have-a-new-name-and-logo-next-season-talks-about-atlantic-city-tournament-decision) Plus they play their conference tournament in the hip town of Atlantic City! Who needs MSG and New York?
And of course we would share this conference with two of our Jesuit brethren - Canisius and Fairfield.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 11:59:36 AMGood call. We would be joining at an exciting time too since the MAAC is getting an exciting new rebrand and logo! (https://www.midmajormadness.com/metro-atlantic-athletic-conference/33528/commissioner-says-maac-will-have-a-new-name-and-logo-next-season-talks-about-atlantic-city-tournament-decision) Plus they play their conference tournament in the hip town of Atlantic City! Who needs MSG and New York?
And of course we would share this conference with two of our Jesuit brethren - Canisius and Fairfield.
Fear the Stags!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 11:59:36 AMGood call. We would be joining at an exciting time too since the MAAC is getting an exciting new rebrand and logo! (https://www.midmajormadness.com/metro-atlantic-athletic-conference/33528/commissioner-says-maac-will-have-a-new-name-and-logo-next-season-talks-about-atlantic-city-tournament-decision) Plus they play their conference tournament in the hip town of Atlantic City! Who needs MSG and New York?
And of course we would share this conference with two of our Jesuit brethren - Canisius and Fairfield.
That's a sign of a steady league. Many brilliant business minds can't make it in Atlantic City.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2026, 10:21:26 AMSecond worst offensive high major player who played at least 500 possessions, beating out Dorin Buca of Kansas State. I shudder to think what Dorin's offense looks like.
As it stands, we are one injury away from this again. Hopefully Shaka gets a quality back up.
Speaking of injuries, with millions of dollars on the line every year for these players, I envision extended stays on the IR, for lack of a better term, to preserve value for the following year's contract. I think this changes the calculus for agents and players regarding how soon they come back from injury, if at all.
For example, if the season is not going well next year, and Nigel is hurt but thinking ahead to a bigger payday, does he sit the rest of the year like Burton did at ND? He gets his millions and preserves value by being fully healed for his next contract.
Just wondering what others think about this. It's not keeping me up at night but big money and immediate transfer has added this to the equation.
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2026, 10:33:56 AMThat's if Marquette University can survive as an institution with him in it. People are saying that he's also responsible for the recent Milwaukee floods.
Well, it did rain 18 inches in an hour.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 11:45:24 AMI like the MAAC because of the Catholic connection and it was the worst league of the two. Better chance to compete and keep worrier happy
And Worrier lives in NJ, so he could expand considerably on his expert takes on the team by attending all the home games. Instead of the tame game summaries that Tower used to supply (
booooring!) Worrier could write game summaries telling us how bad the team is, how disappointed he is, and that anything short of a national championship = failure but making it to the EE is a step in the right direction. He actually posted something along those lines once.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2026, 12:32:24 PMWell, it did rain 18 inches in an hour.
;D You earned your scoop paycheck with this.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 06:19:43 AMI have bad news for you.
Owens is 6'7. Parham is 6'8. Clark is as bad on defense as Hamilton. There is nothing scary about a player returning to the program. Hamilton alone was not the reason Marquette lost 20 games last year. Sheek is gone, come to terms with it and get a grip.
Not true that Clark just as bad defensively. Neither suited for the big-man hedge, but here's what you saw with Clark in the game that you NEVER saw with Hamilton. A driver guard spotting Clark and backing up. He was a presence at the rim. Apologizing for Shaka playing Hamilton enough to cost several games is not good for anyone. Get a grip.
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 23, 2026, 01:27:19 PMNot true that Clark just as bad defensively. Neither suited for the big-man hedge, but here's what you saw with Clark in the game that you NEVER saw with Hamilton. A driver guard spotting Clark and backing up. He was a presence at the rim. Apologizing for Shaka playing Hamilton enough to cost several games is not good for anyone. Get a grip.
Yes. Josh Clark is tall. But that's about it. He is a poor defender.
Quote from: 1SE on April 23, 2026, 11:17:03 AMThats why i can't believe we didnt #freejosh - give him extended run in meaningless season to show what (potential) he does(nt) have. If he really had nothing he should've been shakaxed and we could use his 100k towards buying a serviceable back up. Now we just have "hope"
There is nothing to free. He couldn't make it up and down the court 2 possessions in a row towards the end of the season. He doesn't have the mentality to succeed at this level
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 01:33:15 PMYes. Josh Clark is tall. But that's about it. He is a poor defender.
Its just sad that we're arguing about these guys. We should be wringing hands that players may not be top line Big East players, but we're reduced to having honest arguments about these guys ability to play D1 basketball. :(
Quote from: panda on April 23, 2026, 01:45:14 PMThere is nothing to free. He couldn't make it up and down the court 2 possessions in a row towards the end of the season. He doesn't have the mentality to succeed at this level
Asst Coach: Coach Smart, this Clark guy down here in Houston is tall, 7'2".
Smart: any good?
Asst Coach: first picked up a basketball last week, but training with The Dream
Smart: sign him...I'm sure he'll be our man in the middle. If not, we've gots Hamilton.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 23, 2026, 01:47:41 PMIts just sad that we're arguing about these guys.
It's not sad. It's ridiculous. People acting like these two are going to have significant impact on our season, postively or negatively, aren't engaging in realistic thinking.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 02:01:52 PMIt's not sad. It's ridiculous. People acting like these two are going to have significant impact on our season, postively or negatively, aren't engaging in realistic thinking.
18 will get minutes in the first half of games. He will impact our season.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 02:01:52 PMIt's not sad. It's ridiculous. People acting like these two are going to have significant impact on our season, postively or negatively, aren't engaging in realistic thinking.
The portal closed, so rosters are set
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 02:12:11 PMThe portal closed, so rosters are set
Players can sign with new teams at any time after the transfer portal closes, as long as they were already in the portal before it closed.
Quote from: WarriorHal on April 23, 2026, 03:08:01 PMPlayers can sign with new teams at any time after the transfer portal closes, as long as they were already in the portal before it closed.
What was the rule 18 years ago?
Feel like losing Sheek in the portal is like Jerry McGuire losing Kush in the draft. But maybe we can land Cuba Gooding Junior
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 23, 2026, 03:33:45 PMFeel like losing Sheek in the portal is like Jerry McGuire losing Kush in the draft. But maybe we can land Cuba Gooding Junior
I'd prefer Rod Tidwell over Cuba Gooding Jr. Marquette shouldn't go near sexual predators.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 03:36:34 PMI'd prefer Rod Tidwell over Cuba Gooding Jr. Marquette shouldn't go near sexual predators.
Agree Rod Tidwell
reekz prefers rod too
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 03:36:34 PMI'd prefer Rod Tidwell over Cuba Gooding Jr. Marquette shouldn't go near sexual predators.
Too late.
Reports are the Al echoed with "SHOW ME THE MONEY!" as Sheek walked out the door.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2026, 03:55:38 PMreekz prefers rod too
50+ year old single dude who plays a sport called pickleball and updates a bunch of strangers about it continuously makes dick (not to mention homophobic and sexist) "jokes." Things that make you say, "Hmm..."
Quote from: wadesworld on April 23, 2026, 03:57:13 PM50+ year old single dude who plays a sport called pickleball and updates a bunch of strangers about it continuously makes dick "jokes." Things that make you say, "Hmm..."
I think you mean HUUUMMM.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 23, 2026, 03:57:13 PM50+ year old single dude who plays a sport called pickleball and updates a bunch of strangers about it continuously makes dick (not to mention homophobic and sexist) "jokes." Things that make you say, "Hmm..."
No one is saying Hmmm anymore about it.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 22, 2026, 09:58:05 AMPer a source I know - Sheek was tampered with heavily in the portal. As much as I loathe 18, it had nothing to do with 18 or playing time - it is a pure money play. Sheek is giving MUBB an opportunity to match the cash he is getting elsewhere.
My opinion - got to cut Sheek loose - MUBB cannot be getting into bidding wars with kids that never played before. Also - if we do pony up cash to keep Sheek - what are the big 3 going to do next off season? The same?
No wonder we don't get the highly sought after HS recruits. You really believe the "big 3" with their agents won't be looking out for their best self interests next off season?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 04:09:34 PMNo wonder we don't get the highly sought after HS recruits. You really believe the "big 3" with their agents won't be looking out for their best self interests next off season?
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Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 04:09:34 PMNo wonder we don't get the highly sought after HS recruits. You really believe the "big 3" with their agents won't be looking out for their best self interests next off season?
And?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 04:09:34 PMNo wonder we don't get the highly sought after HS recruits. You really believe the "big 3" with their agents won't be looking out for their best self interests next off season?
They were not doing so this off-season?
Maybe, just maybe, Clark likes being at MU. These kids aren't stupid. Josh knows he ain't an NBA player. Maybe he is happy at the end of the bench and likes the Div. 1 and MU experience.
Good for him for taking advantage of the opportunity that arose.
It is their choice.
Quote from: Jockey on April 23, 2026, 05:17:35 PMMaybe, just maybe, Clark likes being at MU. These kids aren't stupid. Josh knows he ain't an NBA player. Maybe he is happy at the end of the bench and likes the Div. 1 and MU experience.
Good for him for taking advantage of the opportunity that arose.
Every team needs guys to be happy at the end of the bench.
Am I the only one not ready to give up on Josh? Especially with a 15-man roster?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 04:09:34 PMNo wonder we don't get the highly sought after HS recruits. You really believe the "big 3" with their agents won't be looking out for their best self interests next off season?
The big 3 will get paid. Just like we did to retain them for this season.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 23, 2026, 06:08:44 PMThe big 3 will get paid. Just like we did to retain them for this season.
Oh I am sure, but some Billionaire alum could out bid Marquette for their services.
Yup. Pony up
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 08:23:25 PMOh I am sure, but some Billionaire alum could out bid Marquette for their services.
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Maybe Shaka had Sheek enter the portal just so he could recommit to Marquette in a few weeks and raise ticket sales and RGV merch sales
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 22, 2026, 04:17:16 PMLet's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?
Would you be willing to bet money on the +/- of Hamilton and Clark next season?
Quote from: Jockey on April 23, 2026, 05:17:35 PMMaybe, just maybe, Clark likes being at MU. These kids aren't stupid. Josh knows he ain't an NBA player. Maybe he is happy at the end of the bench and likes the Div. 1 and MU experience.
Good for him for taking advantage of the opportunity that arose.
Is anyone arguing that Clark doesn't like Marquette and should leave?
I'm pretty sure the consensus is more of "Why are we paying money to Clark and Hamilton instead of seeking other options?"
IE: Having Shaka cut the fat from the roster.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 23, 2026, 09:42:35 PMMaybe Shaka had Sheek enter the portal just so he could recommit to Marquette in a few weeks and raise ticket sales and RGV merch sales
I was all in until you mentioned the RGV merchandise. Since I live hundreds of miles away from Milwaukee, I consider the sky-high Fiserv ticket prices
your problem. I watch on TV.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 23, 2026, 06:08:44 PMThe big 3 will get paid. Just like we did to retain them for this season.
We need more then the "big 3" lol.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 08:23:25 PMOh I am sure, but some Billionaire alum could out bid Marquette for their services.
There's your problem.
UConn just signed the Belgian big man that also visited SLU. I think Sheek Pearson will be signing with them in the next few days.
I'm bummed he's not sticking with us because he would have been such a versatile forward. He's tall enough to back up Fru but mobile enough to spot Royce at the 4. He could easily have gotten 15-20 minutes per game or more.
I wish there was a way to keep Sheek. Was really looking forward to him playing finally. Hope he will reconsider. I think it's a big loss.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 23, 2026, 10:19:53 PMWe need more then the "big 3" lol.
no one is disputing that.
Quote from: Daniel on April 24, 2026, 09:48:23 AMI wish there was a way to keep Sheek. Was really looking forward to him playing finally. Hope he will reconsider. I think it's a big loss.
I heard he read Scoop and couldn't handle every single second of his play being microanalyzed by the player scouts on this board. And the potential nicknames from Willie like Stupid Peerdaughter
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2026, 08:23:25 PMOh I am sure, but some Billionaire alum could out bid Marquette for their services.
which is exactly what is happening with SLU and Sheek, or what Michigan did with Bryce Underwood.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 24, 2026, 10:28:45 AMwhich is exactly what is happening with SLU and Sheek, or what Michigan did with Bryce Underwood.
Our billionaire needs to step up his game! Time to cut the bed, bath and the beyond
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 24, 2026, 11:04:22 AMOur billionaire needs to step up his game! Time to cut the bed, bath and the beyond
Needs to stop camping as the world goes by, get out of bed, take a bath, and then go beyond for the NIL
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 24, 2026, 06:05:09 AMThere's your problem.
How is it my problem? That is more Marquette's problem, especially if Brew's scenario is correct. The staff and players can have the best relationships, but it all comes down to compensation in this new world of college sports.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2026, 12:52:52 PMHow is it my problem? That is more Marquette's problem, especially if Brew's scenario is correct. The staff and players can have the best relationships, but it all comes down to compensation in this new world of college sports.
Because if you're always worried about what COULD happen, you'll never be happy.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 24, 2026, 01:00:09 PMBecause if you're always worried about what COULD happen, you'll never be happy.
We all end up dead
Is there any chance that Sheek could still end up with Marquette? Maybe he tests out the portal and finds that MU is still his best option? Because he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but maybe they just want to give it some space to create better optics (poaching chatter)?
Quote from: Florida Warrior on April 24, 2026, 01:49:01 PMIs there any chance that Sheek could still end up with Marquette? Maybe he tests out the portal and finds that MU is still his best option? Because he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but maybe they just want to give it some space to create better optics (poaching chatter)?
Nothing is out of the equation in college athletics today, but it's almost certainly the latter.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 24, 2026, 01:00:09 PMBecause if you're always worried about what COULD happen, you'll never be happy.
Why would I be worried? If the "big 3" stay or leave does not affect me what so ever. However, I am sure it is a concern facing the staff and athletic department juggling resources to keep all the players happy and the program competitive.
Obviously the staff did not believe Sheek was worth the cost. I am sure the "big 3" and all the other players and the staff will face that choice over the next year.
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2026, 10:33:56 AMThat's if Marquette University can survive as an institution with him in it. People are saying that he's also responsible for the recent Milwaukee floods.
According to wire service reports, Caeden's massive dumpout after eating Real Chili did, in fact, clog the downtown sewers, which caused last week's flooding.
Inverse Trevor Mbakwe jokes. Nice.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 23, 2026, 06:01:18 PMAm I the only one not ready to give up on Josh? Especially with a 15-man roster?
Not at all. I'm a big believer in his ceiling. Can he come close enough to it this season to be a part of the rotation. Don't know. But he's already ahead of Hamilton in my mind, even with so much of his potential untapped. I'm glad Clark is staying.
Was Sheek ahead of Clark as the backup center? I have no information in either direction, but I've seen nothing to indicate that Sheek was a clear number one back up. Clark could have been ahead of him.
Clark showed that he could be at least disruptive on defense due to his size. Obviously a very limited sample size. They're definitely is potential there. Not sure that he has the fire in the belly - dog eat dog - mentality that's needed for success in college basketball. But I guess we'll find out in about 7 months.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 24, 2026, 12:52:20 PMNeeds to stop camping as the world goes by, get out of bed, take a bath, and then go beyond for the NIL
Either that or his buddy who got all the gear for camping as the world goes by better get to billionaire status asap and get donating too!
Quote from: Florida Warrior on April 24, 2026, 01:49:01 PMIs there any chance that Sheek could still end up with Marquette? Maybe he tests out the portal and finds that MU is still his best option? Because he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but maybe they just want to give it some space to create better optics (poaching chatter)?
I've heard of a few in CFB enter the portal and return. Not common and I wouldn't hold my breath.
Quote from: GOO on April 24, 2026, 02:42:21 PMWas Sheek ahead of Clark as the backup center? I have no information in either direction, but I've seen nothing to indicate that Sheek was a clear number one back up. Clark could have been ahead of him.
Clark showed that he could be at least disruptive on defense due to his size. Obviously a very limited sample size. They're definitely is potential there. Not sure that he has the fire in the belly - dog eat dog - mentality that's needed for success in college basketball. But I guess we'll find out in about 7 months.
Am not sure if Sheek was ahead of Clark. Have mentioned this earlier. But I asked a top donor last late October who was it that impressed him since he had seen them play. He said the 2 players who impressed him were Sheek and Nigel.
Quote from: Florida Warrior on April 24, 2026, 01:49:01 PMIs there any chance that Sheek could still end up with Marquette? Maybe he tests out the portal and finds that MU is still his best option? Because he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but maybe they just want to give it some space to create better optics (poaching chatter)?
Royce's dad confirmed the SLU story on Anonymous Eagle's FB page. What's interesting is IF the 5 year thing comes to fruition and Robbie Avila goes back to SLU, is the million dollar offer still there?
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 24, 2026, 02:12:59 PMBut he's already ahead of Hamilton in my mind,
Quote from: GOO on April 24, 2026, 02:42:21 PMWas Sheek ahead of Clark as the backup center?
Clark was ahead of Hamilton? That's why Shaka barely played him by the end of the season? I don't think you can message board chatter that into truth.
Quote from: GOO on April 24, 2026, 02:42:21 PMWas Sheek ahead of Clark as the backup center? I have no information in either direction, but I've seen nothing to indicate that Sheek was a clear number one back up. Clark could have been ahead of him.
Clark showed that he could be at least disruptive on defense due to his size. Obviously a very limited sample size. They're definitely is potential there. Not sure that he has the fire in the belly - dog eat dog - mentality that's needed for success in college basketball. But I guess we'll find out in about 7 months.
I don't think Clark showed much of anything on either side, and I don't think it's a "fire in the belly" issue.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2026, 03:15:39 PMI don't think Clark showed much of anything on either side, and I don't think it's a "fire in the belly" issue.
I thought he showed a lot more than Caedin did from a potential standpoint. Some really good rim protection and finishing in very brief moments.
Not a shred of consistency though. Didn't look like he had any idea where to be
Quote from: BM1090 on April 24, 2026, 03:18:14 PMI thought he showed a lot more than Caedin did from a potential standpoint. Some really good rim protection and finishing in very brief moments.
Not a shred of consistency though. Didn't look like he had any idea where to be
Can we follow this up with an argument of who's the wealthiest person on food stamps topic? Maybe the most well read illiterate person? Or for movie buffs, the tallest citizen of Munchkin Land?
Quote from: BM1090 on April 24, 2026, 03:18:14 PMI thought he showed a lot more than Caedin did from a potential standpoint. Some really good rim protection and finishing in very brief moments.
Not a shred of consistency though. Didn't look like he had any idea where to be
The best thing to happen to Clark is that his direct comparison is 18. The only thing Clark has going for him is the fact that he is on a d1 college basketball roster which will save him the embarrassment later on in life of saying yes to people asking if he played basketball at some point because he's so tall.
Quote from: Florida Warrior on April 24, 2026, 01:49:01 PMIs there any chance that Sheek could still end up with Marquette? Maybe he tests out the portal and finds that MU is still his best option? Because he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but maybe they just want to give it some space to create better optics (poaching chatter)?
I think it's unlikely but not impossible. If SLU brings back Robbie Avila as 5x5 and pulls the offer they made to Sheek, maybe all sides decide to mend fences.
I can't fault Sheek for going in the portal. That's an offer few kids his age would refuse. But if somehow he had the chance to pull his name out and return to the original NIL deal from Marquette, I'd be all about it.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 24, 2026, 03:58:40 PMCan we follow this up with an argument of who's the wealthiest person on food stamps topic? Maybe the most well read illiterate person? Or for movie buffs, the tallest citizen of Munchkin Land?
I'll put it this way. I at least think there's a chance people could look foolish for writing off Clark.
I don't think anyone will look foolish for writing off Caedin.
Quote from: Florida Warrior on April 24, 2026, 01:49:01 PMIs there any chance that Sheek could still end up with Marquette? Maybe he tests out the portal and finds that MU is still his best option? Because he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but maybe they just want to give it some space to create better optics (poaching chatter)?
Do optics matter in this situation? Why do they care?
Quote from: Johnny B on April 24, 2026, 04:25:01 PMDo optics matter in this situation? Why do they care?
Because they want to make it look like no tampering
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 24, 2026, 04:37:55 PMBecause they want to make it look like no tampering
Tampering? Is that Rick Pitinos open strategy.
Kidding aside has there been a case where someone got in trouble for this?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 24, 2026, 04:41:38 PMTampering? Is that Rick Pitinos open strategy.
Kidding aside has there been a case where someone got in trouble for this?
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Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 24, 2026, 04:41:38 PMTampering? Is that Rick Pitinos open strategy.
Kidding aside has there been a case where someone got in trouble for this?
Someone said Iowa football just got hit but let's be honest. It's have to be egregious if the ncaa was going to enforce it
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 24, 2026, 05:53:43 PMSomeone said Iowa football just got hit but let's be honest. It's have to be egregious if the ncaa was going to enforce it
Yeah.. the Big Ten just ... WROTE A LETTER ... to the NCAA, essentially asking for a normalized tampering period going forward. Highly unlikely anyone gets majorly stung for illegal tampering this year. The rules will soon change (and continue to be broken, with very few institutions getting into trouble).
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 25, 2026, 07:28:26 AMYeah.. the Big Ten just ... WROTE A LETTER ... to the NCAA, essentially asking for a normalized tampering period going forward. Highly unlikely anyone gets majorly stung for illegal tampering this year. The rules will soon change (and continue to be broken, with very few institutions getting into trouble).
The only institution that the NCAA would go after is South Central Rhode Island State.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 24, 2026, 02:59:41 PMI've heard of a few in CFB enter the portal and return. Not common and I wouldn't hold my breath.
many times those are guys who find out their value isn't what they thought. Bizjack returned to Butler after his freshman year under those circumstances. Considering Sheek was drawn into the Portal with a huge offer from SLU he isn't in that boat.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 25, 2026, 07:28:26 AMYeah.. the Big Ten just ... WROTE A LETTER ... to the NCAA, essentially asking for a normalized tampering period going forward. Highly unlikely anyone gets majorly stung for illegal tampering this year. The rules will soon change (and continue to be broken, with very few institutions getting into trouble).
#fake news. The NCAA is going after Big Ten school which is why the Big Ten commish proposed the deregulation of tampering. High majors who tamper with one another will be hit, but tampering with a mid major? That's just fine.
Interesting NFL draft stats - 257 picks, 239 were P4 schools, 13 G6, 4 FCS. 4 JMU guys who left for Indiana got drafted. The consolidation of talent to the P4 in the immediate eligibility era is ridiculous. Basketball will be no different.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2026, 01:26:36 PMmany times those are guys who find out their value isn't what they thought. Bizjack returned to Butler after his freshman year under those circumstances. Considering Sheek was drawn into the Portal with a huge offer from SLU he isn't in that boat.
Drawn in with the offer, but will be interesting to see if they finish that business before 5x5 passes. If not, could see Robbie Avila get that spot and Sheek left in the cold.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 26, 2026, 01:39:12 PMDrawn in with the offer, but will be interesting to see if they finish that business before 5x5 passes. If not, could see Robbie Avila get that spot and Sheek left in the cold.
It's highly doubtful 5 for 5 goes into effect until 2027-28. That's what NCAA lawyers are telling conferences.
Is it possible that MU ran out of money, the five starters are all millionaires now, great for them! So maybe Shaka did not have the money to pay Sheek what he wanted?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 26, 2026, 01:39:12 PMDrawn in with the offer, but will be interesting to see if they finish that business before 5x5 passes. If not, could see Robbie Avila get that spot and Sheek left in the cold.
Wonder how much of their budget SLU used on Elijah Strong
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 26, 2026, 03:54:09 PMIs it possible that MU ran out of money, the five starters are all millionaires now, great for them! So maybe Shaka did not have the money to pay Sheek what he wanted?
He gave Hamilton a raise instead
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2026, 03:48:15 PMIt's highly doubtful 5 for 5 goes into effect until 2027-28. That's what NCAA lawyers are telling conferences.
Oh sure, I'm sure that will work out great. No one will challenge that in court. And even if they do, the NCAA will certainly win because their track record in legal eligibility challenges is spotless.
Give me a break. The reason the portal has slowed to a crawl is because this is coming, everyone knows it's coming, and it's going to be in effect by next year. Four-year 2026 seniors that choose to return will be able to do so in 2026-27. That is definitely the most likely outcome and safest assumption to make.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 26, 2026, 03:54:09 PMIs it possible that MU ran out of money, the five starters are all millionaires now, great for them! So maybe Shaka did not have the money to pay Sheek what he wanted?
Lol buddy. You going to keep trying to push this narrative? You sad the same thing when Minessale hadn't committed when you thought he should have.
No.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 26, 2026, 04:23:36 PMOh sure, I'm sure that will work out great. No one will challenge that in court. And even if they do, the NCAA will certainly win because their track record in legal eligibility challenges is spotless.
Give me a break. The reason the portal has slowed to a crawl is because this is coming, everyone knows it's coming, and it's going to be in effect by next year. Four-year 2026 seniors that choose to return will be able to do so in 2026-27. That is definitely the most likely outcome and safest assumption to make.
If you say so. I mean, nobody know more than you do.
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Quote from: BCHoopster on April 26, 2026, 03:54:09 PMIs it possible that MU ran out of money, the five starters are all millionaires now, great for them! So maybe Shaka did not have the money to pay Sheek what he wanted?
C'mon, BCeeyore ... Shaka's just saving the $$$ for 6th-graders.
Well how much you think the 5 starters are getting?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2026, 04:50:32 PMIf you say so. I mean, nobody know more than you do.
They're meeting tomorrow. Charlie Baker wants this to go ahead starting in June. The major conferences are pushing this too and there's virtually no way it's not going through. Do you really think no one would sue and that the NCAA would win a lawsuit if they approved it in 2 months and didn't let it go into effect for a year?
Quote from: Florida Warrior on April 24, 2026, 01:49:01 PMIs there any chance that Sheek could still end up with Marquette? Maybe he tests out the portal and finds that MU is still his best option? Because he hasn't signed anywhere yet, but maybe they just want to give it some space to create better optics (poaching chatter)?
Unlikely, but if the 5-for-5 rule passes very soon, current seniors are eligible, and the rumor that SheEK is heading to SLU is true, it could open a path for Robbie Avila to return to SLU for a fifth year. He would likely command strong NIL money there, and then SheEK might need to look at other programs (which he should have plenty of interest from) or potentially return to MU.
Initially, I thought Ben Gold returning for a fifth year—if the 5-for-5 rule passed—wasn't an option, since I assume he's on a student visa that severely limits his NIL opportunities so he would likely choose the Australian pro route. But I thought the same was true for Fru. I'm not sure how Fru is able to work around student visa rules and earn the big NIL money that's been rumored. If anyone knows respond.
Quote from: The_Blaze on April 26, 2026, 06:13:41 PMUnlikely, but if the 5-for-5 rule passes very soon, current seniors are eligible, and the rumor that SheEK is heading to SLU is true, it could open a path for Robbie Avila to return to SLU for a fifth year. He would likely command strong NIL money there, and then SheEK might need to look at other programs (which he should have plenty of interest from) or potentially return to MU.
Initially, I thought Ben Gold returning for a fifth year—if the 5-for-5 rule passed—wasn't an option, since I assume he's on a student visa that severely limits his NIL opportunities so he would likely choose the Australian pro route. But I thought the same was true for Fru. I'm not sure how Fru is able to work around student visa rules and earn the big NIL money that's been rumored. If anyone knows respond.
if 5/5 goes thru, would Gold want to come back? Unless he doesn't have his degree, he's probably making more $ down under. Ross? I'm not sure he has pro options, but I'd rather roll without him. And quite frankly, does Minessale sign if playing behind Ross?
Is Chase still a guard who understands the offense?
Asked a simple question and never get an answer, just abuse which I laugh at, MU82 keep it up live it, now answer my question what you think it is?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 26, 2026, 07:26:01 PMAsked a simple question and never get an answer, just abuse which I laugh at, MU82 keep it up live it, now answer my question what you think it is?
$69
Depending on who the 5th starter is, $8-9 million.
BC, what do you think MU's budget is and how much do you thing the starting 5 is getting paid?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 26, 2026, 07:26:01 PMAsked a simple question and never get an answer, just abuse which I laugh at, MU82 keep it up live it, now answer my question what you think it is?
1. Your "simple question" read like an opinion that was merely formed into a question. It would be like me "asking":
So maybe Tre Norman wasn't Marquette's answer at point guard?2. Even if it was a question, it's one that already had been asked, in some form, hundreds (if not thousands) of times on Scoop. You and others were asking it before we signed Fru, and then again before we signed Minessale. The "questions" almost always insinuated that Marquette lacked the resources.
3. Nobody here is privy to the amount of player-procurement money Marquette has available. But even if somebody with true knowledge gave you a 100% accurate answer, you'd ask the "simple question" again.
https://x.com/mumcrange/status/2048215754856702259?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Hope there was no tampering by Saint Louis
South Carolina transfer forward Elijah Strong (6-8, 250) has committed to SLU, according to a source. He averaged 10 points, 2.3 rebounds in 32 games last season. He previously played 2 years at Boston College.
Quote from: GOO on April 24, 2026, 02:42:21 PMWas Sheek ahead of Clark as the backup center? I have no information in either direction, but I've seen nothing to indicate that Sheek was a clear number one back up. Clark could have been ahead of him.
Clark showed that he could be at least disruptive on defense due to his size. Obviously a very limited sample size. They're definitely is potential there. Not sure that he has the fire in the belly - dog eat dog - mentality that's needed for success in college basketball. But I guess we'll find out in about 7 months.
No way. Guarantee staff was disappointed that Sheek left. It seems like if Clark not ready this coming season Sheek would have gotten 25 minutes between splitting center with Fru and power forward with Parham. It would have been a great three-deep big-man rotation with Clark adding depth in the event of foul trouble or injury.
Hamilton remaining on the roster extremely unnerving because he has shown that he can turn wins into losses extremely quickly, as he did in limited minutes vs. DePaul and in Big East Tourney vs. Xavier. I cringe every time I read "If he plays just 5 minutes, I'm fine with that." No. It completely re-energizes opponent when they see him check into game. If gives them a game plan at both ends. Attack him when he's on defense, don't guard him at all and doulbe someone else.
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2026, 08:00:34 PMDepending on who the 5th starter is, $8-9 million.
BC, what do you think MU's budget is and how much do you thing the starting 5 is getting paid?
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Close to 10, so what is the rest of the 8 getting? That I do not know.
Quote from: The_Blaze on April 26, 2026, 06:13:41 PMUnlikely, but if the 5-for-5 rule passes very soon, current seniors are eligible, and the rumor that SheEK is heading to SLU is true, it could open a path for Robbie Avila to return to SLU for a fifth year. He would likely command strong NIL money there, and then SheEK might need to look at other programs (which he should have plenty of interest from) or potentially return to MU.
Would be nice, but sadly I think it's extremely unlikely. Schertz has reportedly said that he won't hold any spots in anticipation of 5-for-5 passing, and this seems to be confirmed by him bringing in Elijah Strong to presumably be their starting center. I'm not sure how many coaches are holding spots open for a potential 5th year senior, but I'm sure most would agree that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Another thought I haven't seen mentioned though... if Sheek can be bought out by SLU, who's to say Marquette can't buy him back next year? Probably not super likely, but perhaps not super improbable either if we find ourselves in need of a starting center and Fru isn't able to return.
Saw this on the SLU message board, but after Sheek entered the portal, it was supposedly rumored by Royce Parham's father that Sheek was offered $1 mil to start at SLU next year. I don't think the latter part is accurate but if the price point is, I'm sure we could match the increase next offseason if we wanted to.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 26, 2026, 10:08:17 PMAnother thought I haven't seen mentioned though... if Sheek can be bought out by SLU, who's to say Marquette can't buy him back next year? Probably not super likely, but perhaps not super improbable either if we find ourselves in need of a starting center and Fru isn't able to return.
Saw this on the SLU message board, but after Sheek entered the portal, it was supposedly rumored by Royce Parham's father that Sheek was offered $1 mil to start at SLU next year. I don't think the latter part is accurate but if the price point is, I'm sure we could match the increase next offseason if we wanted to.
Sheek is getting offered quite a bit over 1 million dollars from St. Louis. It's almost 2x that from what I was told.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 26, 2026, 10:21:08 PMSheek is getting offered quite a bit over 1 million dollars from St. Louis. It's almost 2x that from what I was told.
If that's true, it'd be quite an impressive amount for a backup center who hasn't logged any official minutes in college basketball yet.
Regardless, I'm sure it's still less than whatever we're paying Fru this year. And if Fru isn't around next year, then hypothetically, one can only imagine that MU would have the financial resources to afford Sheek next year.
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 26, 2026, 08:57:10 PMNo way. Guarantee staff was disappointed that Sheek left. It seems like if Clark not ready this coming season Sheek would have gotten 25 minutes between splitting center with Fru and power forward with Parham. It would have been a great three-deep big-man rotation with Clark adding depth in the event of foul trouble or injury.
Hamilton remaining on the roster extremely unnerving because he has shown that he can turn wins into losses extremely quickly, as he did in limited minutes vs. DePaul and in Big East Tourney vs. Xavier. I cringe every time I read "If he plays just 5 minutes, I'm fine with that." No. It completely re-energizes opponent when they see him check into game. If gives them a game plan at both ends. Attack him when he's on defense, don't guard him at all and doulbe someone else.
Zero chance Sheek was getting 25 MPG if everyone was healthy.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 26, 2026, 10:41:07 PMIf that's true, it'd be quite an impressive amount for a backup center who hasn't logged any official minutes in college basketball yet.
Regardless, I'm sure it's still less than whatever we're paying Fru this year. And if Fru isn't around next year, then hypothetically, one can only imagine that MU would have the financial resources to afford Sheek next year.
St. Louis doesn't want him to be a backup.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 26, 2026, 10:48:22 PMSt. Louis doesn't want him to be a backup.
If they opt to put Strong at the 4 instead, then sure.
I've been told that Sheek was offered $100 million to play all 40 minutes every game for St. Louis next season. And for every game that goes overtime, he'll get time and a half.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 26, 2026, 10:08:17 PMAnother thought I haven't seen mentioned though... if Sheek can be bought out by SLU, who's to say Marquette can't buy him back next year? Probably not super likely, but perhaps not super improbable either if we find ourselves in need of a starting center and Fru isn't able to return.
Saw this on the SLU message board, but after Sheek entered the portal, it was supposedly rumored by Royce Parham's father that Sheek was offered $1 mil to start at SLU next year. I don't think the latter part is accurate but if the price point is, I'm sure we could match the increase next offseason if we wanted to.
It's not a rumor. It was on AE's FB page.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 27, 2026, 06:00:49 AMIt's not a rumor. It was on AE's FB page.
What does that make it then, if not a rumor?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 27, 2026, 06:20:55 AMWhat does that make it then, if not a rumor?
Hey Mr. Semantics, it's not a rumor that Royce's dad posted on AE's Facebook page. The monetary amount could be a rumor based on how reliable he is as a source.
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on April 26, 2026, 08:57:10 PMNo way. Guarantee staff was disappointed that Sheek left. It seems like if Clark not ready this coming season Sheek would have gotten 25 minutes between splitting center with Fru and power forward with Parham. It would have been a great three-deep big-man rotation with Clark adding depth in the event of foul trouble or injury.
Hamilton remaining on the roster extremely unnerving because he has shown that he can turn wins into losses extremely quickly, as he did in limited minutes vs. DePaul and in Big East Tourney vs. Xavier. I cringe every time I read "If he plays just 5 minutes, I'm fine with that." No. It completely re-energizes opponent when they see him check into game. If gives them a game plan at both ends. Attack him when he's on defense, don't guard him at all and doulbe someone else.
Sheek wouldn't have gotten 25 minutes a game. Not a chance.
And your second paragraph is complete hyperbole. It feels like some of you have decided to blame all of last year's issues on Hamilton, and its pretty ridiculous.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 27, 2026, 07:53:20 AMSheek wouldn't have gotten 25 minutes a game. Not a chance.
And your second paragraph is completely hyperbole. It feels like some of you have decided to blame all of last year's issues on Hamilton, and its pretty ridiculous.
Every team needs a boogeyman
Quote from: MU82 on April 27, 2026, 12:22:32 AMI've been told that Sheek was offered $100 million to play all 40 minutes every game for St. Louis next season. And for every game that goes overtime, he'll get time and a half.
Maybe someone needs to hire James Parham to manipulate markets, and along the way, get a little more bag for his son.
My take on Hamilton is that he is a power big without the offensive weapons to punish teams that don't match up with him. He plays good defense against power bigs (Reid, Cluffe, Zuby) and his lack of offense doesn't hurt us because those aren't matchups you're really looking to exploit offensively anyway. Conversely, when you play a team like Xavier, he is lost chasing guys in a motion offense on the perimeter and he lacks the skill to punish the smaller weaker players guarding him on the other end.
This is why he can play 18 minutes against UConn and your eyes tell you he did a nice job. Then the next game against Xavier he plays 5 minutes and your eyes tell you that guy cost us the game. He is a situational defender against power teams, but unless he develops the tools to punish smaller defenders, he can't play when teams go small.
That being said, there is a role for him as is, but it's not a consistent one. It should be completely based on matchups.
Quote from: MU90620 on April 27, 2026, 08:34:14 AMMy take on Hamilton is that he is a power big without the offensive weapons to punish teams that don't match up with him. He plays good defense against power bigs (Reid, Cluffe, Zuby) and his lack of offense doesn't hurt us because those aren't matchups you're really looking to exploit offensively anyway.
Early Monday AM bender? Well done!
Quote from: MU90620 on April 27, 2026, 08:34:14 AMMy take on Hamilton is that he is a power big without the offensive weapons to punish teams that don't match up with him. He plays good defense against power bigs (Reid, Cluffe, Zuby) and his lack of offense doesn't hurt us because those aren't matchups you're really looking to exploit offensively anyway. Conversely, when you play a team like Xavier, he is lost chasing guys in a motion offense on the perimeter and he lacks the skill to punish the smaller weaker players guarding him on the other end.
This is why he can play 18 minutes against UConn and your eyes tell you he did a nice job. Then the next game against Xavier he plays 5 minutes and your eyes tell you that guy cost us the game. He is a situational defender against power teams, but unless he develops the tools to punish smaller defenders, he can't play when teams go small.
That being said, there is a role for him as is, but it's not a consistent one. It should be completely based on matchups.
I think a fair number of people here have a serious case of Hamilton Derangement Syndrome (HDS). I don't care if the kid is on the team as long as his minutes are minimal.
However, and I don't say this to be mean, but I don't think there was a single game last year where I thought Hamilton did a nice job overall.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 27, 2026, 08:51:03 AMHowever, and I don't say this to be mean, but I don't think there was a single game last year where I thought Hamilton did a nice job overall.
I'll give him his game vs southern at the beginning of the year.
Have been taught Bottom Feeders have Bottom Feeder players. Last year we had the 2nd Most losses in the well over 100 year history of Marquette Basketball and were Bottom Feeders. Players like Travis and Steve were National Finalists in AAU Nation Wide Tournaments. And were also NCAA Final Four Finalists. True they had help from Dwyane and others. Sheek was an AAU Finalist in the Peach Jam. We need players who are instinctive and think steps ahead. Veer directly toward the Basketball and not away from it. We need players who know what to do ahead of time and know basketball. Sheek is one of those players. A few of the players we had last year did not or could not get it. Again Bottom Feeders have Bottom Feeder players. If Marquette is a Bottom Feeder again we will see. We would like to Win but will and have supported Marquette for over 60 years unconditionally..
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 27, 2026, 10:33:58 AMPlayers like Travis and Steve were National Finalists in AAU Nation Wide Tournaments. And were also NCAA Final Four Finalists. True they had help from Dwyane and others.
The guys went to two NITs together without Wade... I know the first 1/2-2/3 of 2005 was good till the Deiner injury but maybe not the best examples you could've pulled out of the history books
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 27, 2026, 10:33:58 AMHave been taught Bottom Feeders have Bottom Feeder players. Last year we had the 2nd Most losses in the well over 100 year history of Marquette Basketball and were Bottom Feeders. Players like Travis and Steve were National Finalists in AAU Nation Wide Tournaments. And were also NCAA Final Four Finalists. True they had help from Dwyane and others. Sheek was an AAU Finalist in the Peach Jam. We need players who are instinctive and think steps ahead. Veer directly toward the Basketball and not away from it. We need players who know what to do ahead of time and know basketball. Sheek is one of those players. A few of the players we had last year did not or could not get it. Again Bottom Feeders have Bottom Feeder players. If Marquette is a Bottom Feeder again we will see. We would like to Win but will and have supported Marquette for over 60 years unconditionally..
Please say "Bottom Feeder" again. Because if you keep repeating it, it will make it true. That's how it works in politics, anyway.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 27, 2026, 10:37:28 AMThe guys went to two NITs together without Wade... I know the first 1/2-2/3 of 2005 was good till the Deiner injury but maybe not the best examples you could've pulled out of the history books
Agree. True they were not Bottom Feeders but could have used better examples. Al McGuire had Cream Of The Crop Recruits and most of Marquette's time in the Big East we have had Solid recruits. Not Bottom Feeders. There you go MU 82 lol
Nice...a new way to bash the team....bottom feeders. Does this mean we've moved on from Hamilton?
Quote from: Wade-A-Minute on April 27, 2026, 01:29:43 PMNice...a new way to bash the team....bottom feeders. Does this mean we've moved on from Hamilton?
Bottom feeders is so uncivilized. I prefer the term carp diem.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 26, 2026, 05:52:37 PMThey're meeting tomorrow. Charlie Baker wants this to go ahead starting in June. The major conferences are pushing this too and there's virtually no way it's not going through. Do you really think no one would sue and that the NCAA would win a lawsuit if they approved it in 2 months and didn't let it go into effect for a year?
here you go. Exactly what NCAA lawyers have been telling conferences for the past few weeks.
A major issue was fall graduates who exhausted their eligibility and have left college. They get screwed over. Also, incoming freshmen who have already signed deals who would see them broken to get a 5th year guy back.
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/2048863301224845790
Full release
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/4/27/media-center-di-board-of-directors-directs-cabinet-to-advance-age-based-eligibility-rules.aspx
Thanks for posting, Billy. If that's the version of the rule that comes to pass, it answers a lot of the questions that Scoopers have been asking.
NCAA article today with a bizarre comment re: tampering enforcement. Me no understand
So no Ben Gold for year 5?
Schertz also went out and landed a pair of impact frontcourt transfers in Elijah Strong from South Carolina and Alon Michaeli from Colorado.
Mentioned Elijah Strong earlier but did not know SLU also landed another impact frontcourt transfer Alon Michaeli already.
I feel like SLU might be out unless Sheek really wants to play for his hometown club. Sure, MU "recruited over him" when they brought in a 1-year rental but SLU jist did the same thing with Elija Strong and the guy they got from Colorado. If the money is similar, wouldn't it be WAY better to come off the bench for a Big East squad? I really don't buy the rumors that he's leaving because Caedin and Josh are higher on the depth chart than Sheek. Also, would SLU really sign another forward if Sheek is about to sign for 2m?
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 27, 2026, 09:27:00 PMI feel like SLU might be out unless Sheek really wants to play for his hometown club. Sure, MU "recruited over him" when they brought in a 1-year rental but SLU jist did the same thing with Elija Strong and the guy they got from Colorado. If the money is similar, wouldn't it be WAY better to come off the bench for a Big East squad? I really don't buy the rumors that he's leaving because Caedin and Josh are higher on the depth chart than Sheek. Also, would SLU really sign another forward if Sheek is about to sign for 2m?
Until today I thought their two incoming bigs would likely start over Sheek due to their bulk and experience. But while Elijah Strong and Alon Michaeli each offer physicality and are serviceable at being the 5, they're both better suited as being scoring options at the 4. Neither of them fix SLU's current lack of a true rim protector, so it actually makes sense for them to still want Sheek. They have another 6'11 player, Jax Kerr, who will be a sophomore next year, but his freshman year wasn't particularly outstanding.
So I imagine SLU's front court will probably look something like...
[Start / Bench]
Power Forward: 6'8 Strong / 6'9 Michaeli
Center: 6'11 Pearson / 6'11 Kerr
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 27, 2026, 11:46:53 PMUntil today I thought their two incoming bigs would likely start over Sheek due to their bulk and experience. But while Elijah Strong and Alon Michaeli each offer physicality and are serviceable at being the 5, they're both better suited as being scoring options at the 4. Neither of them fix SLU's current lack of a true rim protector, so it actually makes sense for them to still want Sheek. They have another 6'11 player, Jax Kerr, who will be a sophomore next year, but his freshman year wasn't particularly outstanding.
So I imagine SLU's front court will probably look something like...
[Start / Bench]
Power Forward: 6'8 Strong / 6'9 Michaeli
Center: 6'11 Pearson / 6'11 Kerr
Michaeli is not transferring down from Colorado to SLU to become a backup
Quote from: lawdog77 on April 28, 2026, 06:38:47 AMMichaeli is not transferring down from Colorado to SLU to become a backup
I'm inclined to agree, but if SLU ends up signing all three of those bigs, there's no way all three of them can start. Something has to give.
Which seems more unlikely: a player like Michaeli or Strong splitting minutes at a starter position, or Sheek being paid a supposed $2 mil to come off the bench when he's never played a minute of college basketball? Whichever way you answer, someone will beg to differ.
I am just the messenger.
Sources:
Unless something very unforeseen happens, Sheek Pearson to SLU is expected to be announced no later than this week. SLU has an additional visitor this week, but it is very possible they only take one more player total for their roster. It will be 1 or 2 more total roster additions. They are expected to complete their roster this week.
That's today's update. Again, I am just the messenger here.
SLU has 2 returning front court players, and they are expected to add 3 more (one more) in the portal.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 11:12:17 AMI am just the messenger.
Sources:
Unless something very unforeseen happens, Sheek Pearson to SLU is expected to be announced no later than this week. SLU has 2 additional visitors this week, but it is very possible they only take one more player total for their roster. They are expected to complete their roster this week.
That's today's update. Again, I am just the messenger here.
SLU has 2 returning front court players, and they are expected to add 3 more (one more) in the portal.
We know. This was always going to happen. You claim other schools were interested in Sheek, and of course there were other schools who would be "interested" in a former top 75 recruit who went to college a year early and redshirted. But the only reason Sheek entered the portal at all was because SLU didn't land their center target and SLU saw a hometown kid who had sat out a year and decided to offer him a starting spot and a lot more money to come home.
Slimey as hell. Don't blame Sheek for taking their offer, don't blame Marquette for not matching. When you're a program like SLU and you play in the A10, you have to overpay and overpromise to get talent in your program. SLU might as well be Dayton in my mind.
SLU's frontcourt would be as crowded as Marquette's is next year, just in the A10. Honestly don't get this move at all unless he just wants to move home to play ball. In in terms of the money, how loaded is SLU that they can add three bags in the same off-season?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2026, 11:27:50 AMWe know. This was always going to happen. You claim other schools were interested in Sheek, and of course there were other schools who would be "interested" in a former top 75 recruit who went to college a year early and redshirted. But the only reason Sheek entered the portal at all was because SLU didn't land their center target and SLU saw a hometown kid who had sat out a year and decided to offer him a starting spot and a lot more money to come home.
Slimey as hell. Don't blame Sheek for taking their offer, don't blame Marquette for not offering. When you're a program like SLU and you play in the A10, you have to overpay and overpromise to get talent in your program. SLU might as well be Dayton in my mind.
You seem to have a lot of misplaced angst towards me. I am just the messenger here. I post about different topics.
Just as I have with other topics, I share what I know. When I knew their coach wasn't leaving during the coaching carousel, I wasn't guessing.
It is my understanding that SLU was pleasantly surprised when Sheek decided to enter the portal. Shaka and Schertz or friendly and they run in similar circles with common close friends like McCollum.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 28, 2026, 11:31:07 AMSLU's frontcourt would be as crowded as Marquette's is next year, just in the A10. Honestly don't get this move at all unless he just wants to move home to play ball. In in terms of the money, how loaded is SLU that they can add three bags in the same off-season?
Schertz is doing his best to make a run and take a bigger job next year. Then the SLU boosters that fund it all get to watch the coach take players they funded go with the coach to the next school.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 11:42:31 AMYou seem to have a lot of misplaced angst towards me. I am just the messenger here. I post about different topics.
Just as I have with other topics, I share what I know. When I knew their coach wasn't leaving during the coaching carousel, I wasn't guessing.
It is my understanding that SLU was pleasantly surprised when Sheek decided to enter the portal. Shaka and Schertz or friendly and they run in similar circles with common close friends like McCollum.
No angst. We've known the story since the day after Sheek entered the portal. I'm sure SLU had no contact with Sheek until he was in the portal. ::)
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 11:42:31 AMIt is my understanding that SLU was pleasantly surprised when Sheek decided to enter the portal.
This runs counter to everything I have heard about this from multiple people. You should probably consider your source to be telling you what Schertz wants you to hear.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 28, 2026, 11:31:07 AMSLU's frontcourt would be as crowded as Marquette's is next year, just in the A10. Honestly don't get this move at all unless he just wants to move home to play ball. In in terms of the money, how loaded is SLU that they can add three bags in the same off-season?
What's not to understand? They are giving him a lot more money than we can and he is going to start.
As BC77 explained, we probably have the money for Sheek, but it would cause a ripple effect of like $4m because we would also have to increase the "salaries" of Parham and Stevens which may not work in the budget.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 28, 2026, 11:51:07 AMThis runs counter to everything I have heard about this from multiple people. You should probably consider your source to be telling you what Schertz wants you to hear.
We've now reached the point where you are telling me who my sources are and aren't, as well as their collective viability.
Some people only hear what they want to hear.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 12:07:53 PMWe've now reached the point where you are telling me who my sources are and aren't, as well as their collective viability.
Some people only hear what they want to hear.
No idea who your source is, but I (as well as others) know that Sheek did not enter the portal until he had a deal done with SLU. It was tampering. He was never going to another school. He was never considering another school.
It's fine. It happens. I doubt Marquette's hands are completely clean either. But there was no "pleasantly surprised he entered the portal". He transferred because of SLU's offer, they didn't offer when he entered the portal.
I don't mean to second guess the sources and appreciate you passing along the insights but an ounce of logic says that if a guy entered the portal with a do not contact tag, and another players dad is already saying where he's going then that's it's hardly a "happy surprise" to that team hes choosing to go to. I could see it being a happy surprise he was receptive before entering the portal but not once he gets there.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2026, 12:13:43 PMI don't mean to second guess the sources and appreciate you passing along the insights but an ounce of logic says that if a guy entered the portal with a do not contact tag, and another players dad is already saying where he's going then that's it's hardly a "happy surprise" to that team hes choosing to go to. I could see it being a happy surprise he was receptive before entering the portal but not once he gets there.
Josh Schertz might be a bigger dirtbag than Yadier Molina but that'll help him get a better job next year
I'll say one thing... If the rumors are true that part of his decision came down to legitimate competition with Caedin or Josh... Then he should take all of SLU's $$$ because he would never have made a huge difference for MU this season. I don't necessarily buy that.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 28, 2026, 12:13:19 PMNo idea who your source is, but I (as well as others) know that Sheek did not enter the portal until he had a deal done with SLU. It was tampering. He was never going to another school. He was never considering another school.
Yep.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2026, 12:13:43 PMI don't mean to second guess the sources and appreciate you passing along the insights but an ounce of logic says that if a guy entered the portal with a do not contact tag, and another players dad is already saying where he's going then that's it's hardly a "happy surprise" to that team hes choosing to go to. I could see it being a happy surprise he was receptive before entering the portal but not once he gets there.
Yep.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 12:07:53 PMWe've now reached the point where you are telling me who my sources are and aren't, as well as their collective viability.
Because your story is illogical and is likely the story that SLU wants you to hear.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 12:07:53 PMSome people only hear what they want to hear.
Yes they do.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 28, 2026, 12:35:41 PMBecause your story is illogical and is likely the story that SLU wants you to hear.
No! It's the story MU wants you to hear - "he left for $$ and a guaranteed starting spot" fits the agenda much better than, "he can't believe we were going to carry both veteran centers as backups along with him and he knew SS would play 18 and therefore wanted to explore transfer options".
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 12:07:53 PMWe've now reached the point where you are telling me who my sources are and aren't, as well as their collective viability.
Some people only hear what they want to hear.
Give me a break - it couldn't be more obvious there was tampering.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 28, 2026, 12:39:04 PMNo! It's the story MU wants you to hear - "he left for $$ and a guaranteed starting spot" fits the agenda much better than, "he can't believe we were going to carry both veteran centers as backups along with him and he knew SS would play 18 and therefore wanted to explore transfer options".
Your dedication to this nonsense is impressive.
I have to admit, I find all the tampering angst funny. As if people believe anyone else cares or is going to get into trouble. Didn't Minessale have a no-contact tag?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 28, 2026, 12:39:04 PMNo! It's the story MU wants you to hear - "he left for $$ and a guaranteed starting spot" fits the agenda much better than, "he can't believe we were going to carry both veteran centers as backups along with him and he knew SS would play 18 and therefore wanted to explore transfer options".
Thanks for playing
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 28, 2026, 01:28:32 PMI have to admit, I find all the tampering angst funny. As if people believe anyone else cares or is going to get into trouble. Didn't Minessale have a no-contact tag?
What does that have to do with tampering?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 28, 2026, 01:38:00 PMWhat does that have to do with tampering?
Marquette was working Minessale behind the scenes probably since December when it was apparent our team sucked.
Nigel was also tampered with more than just about anyone in the country. That's the name of the new game. Sheek was "tampered" with. Oh well.
And no, Sheek is not leaving because of competition with Hamilton and Clark. Those guys aren't good. He's leaving because St Louis is paying him a lot of money.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 28, 2026, 01:47:07 PMMarquette was working Minessale behind the scenes probably since December when it was apparent our team sucked.
Nigel was also tampered with more than just about anyone in the country. That's the name of the new game. Sheek was "tampered" with. Oh well.
And no, Sheek is not leaving because of competition with Hamilton and Clark. Those guys aren't good. He's leaving because St Louis is paying him a lot of money.
I don't disagree with any of this.
Doesn't answer my question.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 28, 2026, 01:47:07 PMAnd no, Sheek is not leaving because of competition with Hamilton and Clark. Those guys aren't good.
How good a guy is or isn't doesn't matter when the coach has behaved irrationally.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 28, 2026, 01:38:00 PMWhat does that have to do with tampering?
If I follow the theory around here, Sheek has requested no-contact because SLU has already sealed the deal through "tampering". So...Marquette must have tampered with NM...
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2026, 02:25:53 PMSchtick.
He's right. Tampering is illegal and I highly doubt any institution would do it, nor do I believe any student athlete would allow it to happen to them.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 27, 2026, 03:40:17 PMhere you go. Exactly what NCAA lawyers have been telling conferences for the past few weeks.
A major issue was fall graduates who exhausted their eligibility and have left college. They get screwed over. Also, incoming freshmen who have already signed deals who would see them broken to get a 5th year guy back.
https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/2048863301224845790
Full release
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/4/27/media-center-di-board-of-directors-directs-cabinet-to-advance-age-based-eligibility-rules.aspx
The NCAA saying it won't be retroactive and it not being retroactive are two different things.
The 2022 freshman class played with members of the 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2023, 2024, & 2025 recruiting classes, all of whom (because of either COVID or 5x5) will be allowed 5 years eligibility. They're discussing and likely passing this rule while they are still enrolled in school. Classmates that redshirted will likely also take advantage of this.
This seems like a steep uphill climb for an NCAA that hasn't won much of anything in court unless the player had been under an NBA contract.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 28, 2026, 02:37:37 PMIf I follow the theory around here, Sheek has requested no-contact because SLU has already sealed the deal through "tampering". So...Marquette must have tampered with NM...
A couple things would be:
1) I would be very surprised if Marquette waited to make any kind of contact with Minessale until after he entered his name into the portal.
2) Marquette fans don't seem to be denying this like our resident SLU fan thinks it was just some lucky coincidence the kid that seemed to show no indications of being interested in transferring out of Marquette suddenly decides at the last minute to enter his name into the portal with a No Contact designation after his home town team misses out on their top portal prospect that plays the same position.
3) If Marquette University didn't exist, I highly, highly doubt Minessale would've stayed at St. Thomas. He was a 20/4/4 guy at the low major level. Assuming he has aspirations to continue playing after college (whether that's NBA, G League, or overseas) it was time for him to take the jump to a higher level, and get paid more to do so.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 28, 2026, 01:52:00 PMI don't disagree with any of this.
Doesn't answer my question.
I don't believe Minessale had a do not contact tag.
It was just widely known that he was coming here.
This just in.......many players have agents now.......the agents talk to other schools even if said player has not entered the portal.........this doesn't need to be brought up as if the NCAA is going to somehow make it stop.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2026/04/27/wisconsin-badgers-basketball-nolan-winter-why-he-returned-didnt-enter-transfer-portal/89820584007/
Quote from: MuMark on April 28, 2026, 03:13:09 PMThis just in.......many players have agents now.......the agents talk to other schools even if said player has not entered the portal.........this doesn't need to be brought up as if the NCAA is going to somehow make it stop.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2026/04/27/wisconsin-badgers-basketball-nolan-winter-why-he-returned-didnt-enter-transfer-portal/89820584007/
That's against the rules
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 28, 2026, 02:51:34 PMThe NCAA saying it won't be retroactive and it not being retroactive are two different things.
The 2022 freshman class played with members of the 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2023, 2024, & 2025 recruiting classes, all of whom (because of either COVID or 5x5) will be allowed 5 years eligibility. They're discussing and likely passing this rule while they are still enrolled in school. Classmates that redshirted will likely also take advantage of this.
This seems like a steep uphill climb for an NCAA that hasn't won much of anything in court unless the player had been under an NBA contract.
The NCAA has won more cases than they've lost, the media rarely mentions their wins.
The decision likely won't be made until after the current class has left school. And, like I said prior, the fall sports players who graduated and left after the fall would have difficulty taking advantage of this rule.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 28, 2026, 02:59:18 PMI don't believe Minessale had a do not contact tag.
Well, that would make my example not very good.
Anyhow like I said, I just think those crying "tampering" are more amusing that serious.
Quote from: MuMark on April 28, 2026, 03:13:09 PMThis just in.......many players have agents now.......the agents talk to other schools even if said player has not entered the portal.........this doesn't need to be brought up as if the NCAA is going to somehow make it stop.
100%
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 28, 2026, 04:01:48 PMWell, that would make my example not very good.
Anyhow like I said, I just think those crying "tampering" are more amusing that serious.
100%
Is it crying or more "it happened" I agree we probably tampered with NM whether directly or through the strong connections his family seems to have to the university I'd wager it happened. Same with Sheek, I'm not crying over it as it's just the modern game but I do think it's important to call out a poster, who's been generous with sharing information, when they refer to it as a pleasant surprise.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2026, 04:08:25 PMrefer to it as a pleasant surprise
Hah, perhaps you haven't picked up the connection, but he has
no unbiased opinions when it comes anything related to Saint Louis. Just how he rolls, so I mostly ignore.
Quote from: MuMark on April 28, 2026, 03:13:09 PMThis just in.......many players have agents now.......the agents talk to other schools even if said player has not entered the portal.........this doesn't need to be brought up as if the NCAA is going to somehow make it stop.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2026/04/27/wisconsin-badgers-basketball-nolan-winter-why-he-returned-didnt-enter-transfer-portal/89820584007/
13.1.1.2 Signed Prospective Student-Athletes. An athletics staff member or other representative of the institution's athletics interests of an institution that provides athletically related financial aid to its student-athletes shall not
communicate or make contact with a prospective student-athlete who has signed a written offer of athletics aid with another NCAA Division I or Division II institution,
or any individual associated with the student-athlete (e.g., family member, scholastic or nonscholastic coach, advisor), directly or indirectly. A violation of this provision shall be processed pursuant to Bylaw 19.1.4. [D] (Adopted: 10/9/24)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2026, 04:08:25 PMIs it crying or more "it happened" I agree we probably tampered with NM whether directly or through the strong connections his family seems to have to the university I'd wager it happened. Same with Sheek, I'm not crying over it as it's just the modern game but I do think it's important to call out a poster, who's been generous with sharing information, when they refer to it as a pleasant surprise.
Some people are understandably upset about Sheek entering the portal, and the timing of it. I didn't say that I thought it was a pleasant surprise. I'm saying the information I have is that Sheek's interest came first. Sheek entered after Fru committed. And Jamo White also de-committed after as well. He also has interest in SLU.
If other people think something else or know something else, great. I share what I know, on a variety of topics. And regardless of anything else, it takes two to tango.
I'm sure if it were a different school, reactions would be a little bit different. I understand that. Add to that I said previously that SLU has increased resources and improved coordination to compete at a higher level than before. Some dismissed that. When some others said Schertz would be 100% leaving this cycle, my information was different and I said so. In order to appease some you have to add some sort of negative caveat such as they haven't been able to achieve sustained success there, which they haven't historically for a variety of reasons.
When I share things on other topics it doesn't receive the same reaction. Anything short of bashing or trolling isn't good enough for some people. I don't do that with MU's current or former players, or current or former coaches either. And this was a challenging season for MU.
Hopefully Marquette can continue to add and build for next season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 28, 2026, 04:34:43 PM13.1.1.2 Signed Prospective Student-Athletes. An athletics staff member or other representative of the institution's athletics interests of an institution that provides athletically related financial aid to its student-athletes shall not
communicate or make contact with a prospective student-athlete who has signed a written offer of athletics aid with another NCAA Division I or Division II institution, or any individual associated with the student-athlete (e.g., family member, scholastic or nonscholastic coach, advisor), directly or indirectly. A violation of this provision shall be processed pursuant to Bylaw 19.1.4. [D] (Adopted: 10/9/24)
Adorable!
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 05:19:42 PMI'm saying the information I have is that Sheek's interest came first.
LOL
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 28, 2026, 04:34:43 PM13.1.1.2 Signed Prospective Student-Athletes. An athletics staff member or other representative of the institution's athletics interests of an institution that provides athletically related financial aid to its student-athletes shall not
communicate or make contact with a prospective student-athlete who has signed a written offer of athletics aid with another NCAA Division I or Division II institution, or any individual associated with the student-athlete (e.g., family member, scholastic or nonscholastic coach, advisor), directly or indirectly. A violation of this provision shall be processed pursuant to Bylaw 19.1.4. [D] (Adopted: 10/9/24)
Need to investigate Yadi for tampering with Sheek.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 05:19:42 PMSome people are understandably upset about Sheek entering the portal, and the timing of it. I didn't say that I thought it was a pleasant surprise. I'm saying the information I have is that Sheek's interest came first. Sheek entered after Fru committed. And Jamo White also de-committed after as well. He also has interest in SLU.
If other people think something else or know something else, great. I share what I know, on a variety of topics. And regardless of anything else, it takes two to tango.
I'm sure if it were a different school, reactions would be a little bit different. I understand that. Add to that I said previously that SLU has increased resources and improved coordination to compete at a higher level than before. Some dismissed that. When some others said Schertz would be 100% leaving this cycle, my information was different and I said so. In order to appease some you have to add some sort of negative caveat such as they haven't been able to achieve sustained success there, which they haven't historically for a variety of reasons.
When I share things on other topics it doesn't receive the same reaction. Anything short of bashing or trolling isn't good enough for some people. I don't do that with MU's current or former players, or current or former coaches either. And this was a challenging season for MU.
Hopefully Marquette can continue to add and build for next season.
The problem is your knowledge is limited and often inaccurate and you fail to acknowledge as such.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 05:19:42 PMSome people are understandably upset about Sheek entering the portal, and the timing of it. I didn't say that I thought it was a pleasant surprise. I'm saying the information I have is that Sheek's interest came first. Sheek entered after Fru committed. And Jamo White also de-committed after as well. He also has interest in SLU.
If other people think something else or know something else, great. I share what I know, on a variety of topics. And regardless of anything else, it takes two to tango.
I'm sure if it were a different school, reactions would be a little bit different. I understand that. Add to that I said previously that SLU has increased resources and improved coordination to compete at a higher level than before. Some dismissed that. When some others said Schertz would be 100% leaving this cycle, my information was different and I said so. In order to appease some you have to add some sort of negative caveat such as they haven't been able to achieve sustained success there, which they haven't historically for a variety of reasons.
When I share things on other topics it doesn't receive the same reaction. Anything short of bashing or trolling isn't good enough for some people. I don't do that with MU's current or former players, or current or former coaches either. And this was a challenging season for MU.
Hopefully Marquette can continue to add and build for next season.
I'm not reading all of that but I'm happy for you or thinking of you in your time of need.
https://x.com/tamar_sher/status/2049338094520823916?s=61
So how will MU's player payroll/NIL compare to SLU's? I'm trying to get a handle on how competitive we can expect MU to be going forward.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 29, 2026, 02:25:06 PMSo how will MU's player payroll/NIL compare to SLU's? I'm trying to get a handle on how competitive we can expect MU to be going forward.
We can be plenty competitive.
SLU needs to pay a lot more money for the same level of player to join their program than Marquette does.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 29, 2026, 02:25:06 PMSo how will MU's player payroll/NIL compare to SLU's? I'm trying to get a handle on how competitive we can expect MU to be going forward.
We've reached the point where "turning into SLU" would be an improvement.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 29, 2026, 02:25:06 PMSo how will MU's player payroll/NIL compare to SLU's? I'm trying to get a handle on how competitive we can expect MU to be going forward.
My understanding is that we are in a better spot, but it's closer than you might think.
The difference here wasn't total resources. It was one school valuing Sheek significantly more than the other.
Which one is right? We'll see.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 29, 2026, 02:32:27 PMWe can be plenty competitive.
SLU needs to pay a lot more money for the same level of player to join their program than Marquette does.
Under this logic, just about any school would have to pay a lot more money for the same level of player to join their program than say Kentucky.
But if a higher prestige of a program meant lower payments, Kentucky should have one of the lowest payrolls in basketball, not one of the highest.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 29, 2026, 03:32:35 PMUnder this logic, just about any school would have to pay a lot more money for the same level of player to join their program than say Kentucky.
But if a higher prestige of a program meant lower payments, Kentucky should have one of the lowest payrolls in basketball, not one of the highest.
Not really. The A10 isn't exactly high major basketball.
SLU just went 28-5 overall, 15-3 in conference going into the NCAA Tournament and they were a 9 seed, playing playing a bunch of games on FanDuel Sports Network, ESPN+, CBSSN and Tru TV. Their conference tournament was aired on USA Network and CBSSN. Prior to the NCAA Tournament, their biggest TV broadcasted games were three ESPN2 games on Friday nights.
If Marquette goes 28-5, 15-3 (call it 16-4) in conference next year they're a 2 seed at worst.
I don't blame Sheek for following potentially life-changing money but I do hope he's a massive bust for SLU.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 29, 2026, 02:32:27 PMWe can be plenty competitive.
SLU needs to pay a lot more money for the same level of player to join their program than Marquette does.
Hadn't thought of this, but very good point Wades.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 29, 2026, 03:38:01 PMI don't blame Sheek for following potentially life-changing money but I do hope he's a massive bust for SLU.
Meh. Hopefully SLU is a bubble team that misses out and he follows Schertz to his next job. Pay the kid 7 digits for one year.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 29, 2026, 03:59:39 PMMeh. Hopefully SLU is a bubble team that misses out and he follows Schertz to his next job. Pay the kid 7 digits for one year.
I also get this viewpoint. This is more about it not working for Schertz. The last second tampering is less cool than your standard run-of-the-mill tampering.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 29, 2026, 06:04:47 PMI also get this viewpoint. This is more about it not working for Schertz. The last second tampering is less cool than your standard run-of-the-mill tampering.
Historically, sports entities in St. Louis are not afraid to cheat and break the rules at every turn.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 29, 2026, 03:38:01 PMI don't blame Sheek for following potentially life-changing money but I do hope he's a massive bust for SLU.
Personally I wouldn't mind Sheek having a great season, then receiving an offer he can't refuse from Marquette in the final few hours of next year's portal window.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 29, 2026, 07:37:22 PMPersonally I wouldn't mind Sheek having a great season, then receiving an offer he can't refuse from Marquette in the final few hours of next year's portal window.
Nah.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 29, 2026, 07:37:22 PMPersonally I wouldn't mind Sheek having a great season, then receiving an offer he can't refuse from Marquette in the final few hours of next year's portal window.
Why would Shaka want him back? Why should we as fans?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 29, 2026, 08:32:25 PMWhy would Shaka want him back? Why should we as fans?
Clearly the tampering joke is going over heads. To be clear, as much as I would've liked to see Sheek be a successful Marquette guy (and still partially do), I'd much rather see Fru return if possible. And if we do find ourselves in need of a transfer big, we'll almost certainly be better off with an immediately impactful upperclassmen over Sheek.
No one is blaming him for leaving his bench spot in exchange for $2 mil and a starter role. Everyone was pretty excited about his potential two weeks ago. Since when do we resent players for leaving in pursuit of better opportunities and doing what's best for them?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 29, 2026, 08:32:25 PMWhy would Shaka want him back? Why should we as fans?
Maybe for the same reason Marquette was willing to hire Shaka as coach in 2021 - seven years after he told Marquette "thanks but no thanks"?
Never say never, if the NCAA goes for 5 years can Fru play two years then? If so gives Shaka two years to find another big
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 29, 2026, 10:09:39 PMNever say never, if the NCAA goes for 5 years can Fru play two years then? If so gives Shaka two years to find another big
I could also see us challenging Fru's class designation. Could end up with three more years.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 29, 2026, 10:35:00 PMI could also see us challenging Fru's class designation. Could end up with three more years.
He could, but I wonder if Fru is too much of a mercenary to stick it out for three years at one place. That hasn't been his MO this far.
Also, doesn't 5-5 include an age provision? He will be 25 in August of '28, so I think that would be too old for the 28-29 season.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 30, 2026, 06:34:52 AMHe could, but I wonder if Fru is too much of a mercenary to stick it out for three years at one place. That hasn't been his MO this far.
Also, doesn't 5-5 include an age provision? He will be 25 in August of '28, so I think that would be too old for the 28-29 season.
Yes. He's a weird case in many respects.
I don't like the circumstances today, but I guess a good thing is.. we can sit here today not knowing if we have Fru for one, two or three or hell four years... "oh no, how do you plan recruiting and roster construction going forward?!?!"... the reality is, if he leaves, we look at the many transfers who will be out there in a future year(s).
It's all a bit ridiculous imo, but oh well.. gotta play the game for optimal results.
Then again.. 20%+ to% rate, only 16.0% DR%, and, *gasp* 61.1% from the line.. scoopers may turn on him before we know it.
This just makes me wonder if we're headed down a path where a 30 year old who had their time in the NBA ends up being able to come back and finish out years of "eligibility." All limits on money, age, years of eligibility, etc seem to be eroding gradually over time... eventually I could see college BB will be a minor pro league used before and after an NBA career for some.
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 30, 2026, 08:31:27 AMThis just makes me wonder if we're headed down a path where a 30 year old who had their time in the NBA ends up being able to come back and finish out years of "eligibility." All limits on money, age, years of eligibility, etc seem to be eroding gradually over time... eventually I could see college BB will be a minor pro league used before and after an NBA career for some.
I think the new NCAA eligibility limitations are going to by and large survive legal challenges and prevent the scenario you mention.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 30, 2026, 08:34:07 AMI think the new NCAA eligibility limitations are going to by and large survive legal challenges and prevent the scenario you mention.
But I hear the NCAA is a dead man walking. Who cares about NCAA rules. ;)
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 30, 2026, 08:31:27 AMThis just makes me wonder if we're headed down a path where a 30 year old who had their time in the NBA ends up being able to come back and finish out years of "eligibility." All limits on money, age, years of eligibility, etc seem to be eroding gradually over time... eventually I could see college BB will be a minor pro league used before and after an NBA career for some.
One that has held up is that you only get 5 years from HS graduation. So, if one graduated in 2024, they can play one year of outside competition in that sport before enrolling in college, then every other year of outside competition starts the clock. The media doesn't cover the denials of players who try to come back outside of that window and are denied; it doesn't create outrage.
The sky isn't falling to the point where LeBron can come back to play college ball.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 30, 2026, 08:44:11 AMBut I hear the NCAA is a dead man walking. Who cares about NCAA rules. ;)
It is. The Big 18 and SEC will be breaking away at some point.
If Shaka is playing 3D chess... They're essentially "loaning" Sheek out to SLU for a season to get 30+ games as a starter under a solid coach.
He truly might not be ready for extended run in the Big East, but the A10 should be more forgiving for a skinny-but-tall combo forward who just turned 18.
But after he gains experience in his hometown and Schertz leaves SLU after a good season, perhaps MU could lure Sheek back.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 30, 2026, 09:24:57 AMIf Shaka is playing 3D chess... They're essentially "loaning" Sheek out to SLU for a season to get 30+ games as a starter under a solid coach.
He truly might not be ready for extended run in the Big East, but the A10 should be more forgiving for a skinny-but-tall combo forward who just turned 18.
But after he gains experience in his hometown and Schertz leaves SLU after a good season, perhaps MU could lure Sheek back.
I think all of this is 100% unrealistic.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 30, 2026, 06:40:54 AMThen again.. 20%+ to% rate, only 16.0% DR%, and, *gasp* 61.1% from the line.. scoopers may turn on him before we know it.
Yup. As folks were talking about trying to keep Fru for multiple years, one thing that popped into my brain was, "Yeah, but what happens when Scoop gets sick of him for some perceived shortcoming and wants to toss him to the curb?"
Before you know it, some will even be referring to him only by his number.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 30, 2026, 09:24:57 AMIf Shaka is playing 3D chess... They're essentially "loaning" Sheek out to SLU for a season to get 30+ games as a starter under a solid coach.
He truly might not be ready for extended run in the Big East, but the A10 should be more forgiving for a skinny-but-tall combo forward who just turned 18.
But after he gains experience in his hometown and Schertz leaves SLU after a good season, perhaps MU could lure Sheek back.
Why wouldn't Schertz take him to the new gig, which likely will have more resources?
Quote from: MU82 on April 30, 2026, 10:03:52 AMYup. As folks were talking about trying to keep Fru for multiple years, one thing that popped into my brain was, "Yeah, but what happens when Scoop gets sick of him for some perceived shortcoming and wants to toss him to the curb?"
Before you know it, some will even be referring to him only by his number.
"Perceived shortcoming"? Jay Bee already has ID'd several. Fru
probably gets a pass on the first game, but after that Willie should have a name picked out, so no need to refer to him by his number.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 30, 2026, 09:24:57 AMIf Shaka is playing 3D chess... They're essentially "loaning" Sheek out to SLU for a season to get 30+ games as a starter under a solid coach.
He truly might not be ready for extended run in the Big East, but the A10 should be more forgiving for a skinny-but-tall combo forward who just turned 18.
But after he gains experience in his hometown and Schertz leaves SLU after a good season, perhaps MU could lure Sheek back.
Anything is possible in the wild west of college basketball.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 30, 2026, 10:26:23 AMWhy wouldn't Schertz take him to the new gig, which likely will have more resources?
Exactly. Sheek has left the building, and he's not coming back. He
gowne.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 29, 2026, 03:36:31 PMNot really. The A10 isn't exactly high major basketball.
SLU just went 28-5 overall, 15-3 in conference going into the NCAA Tournament and they were a 9 seed, playing playing a bunch of games on FanDuel Sports Network, ESPN+, CBSSN and Tru TV. Their conference tournament was aired on USA Network and CBSSN. Prior to the NCAA Tournament, their biggest TV broadcasted games were three ESPN2 games on Friday nights.
If Marquette goes 28-5, 15-3 (call it 16-4) in conference next year they're a 2 seed at worst.
You've said this multiple times but it's misplaced.
SLU's 9 seed was more about their non-conference schedule than it was their league.
Their league was good enough. Their non-conference strength of schedule was 316. Improve the non-conference schedule, and improve the seed. Play the better non top 5 league teams and don't schedule too many cupcake state programs. They still have to win games of course.
It's true they are having issues getting top 5 league teams to play them home and home or neutral site. But you can still construct a top 100 schedule in spite of that. Several other good non top 5 league programs did that.
You can either be a SLUt for cash, or play for Shaka (working on the tshirt so it is ready for the Sheek announcement)
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 02:44:04 PMYou've said this multiple times but it's misplaced.
SLU's 9 seed was more about their non-conference schedule than it was their league.
Their league was good enough. Their non-conference strength of schedule was 316. Improve the non-conference schedule, and improve the seed. Play the better non top 5 league teams and don't schedule too many cupcake state programs. They still have to win games of course.
It's true they are having issues getting top 5 league teams to play them home and home or neutral site. But you can still construct a top 100 schedule in spite of that. Several other good non top 5 league programs did that.
The A-10 was farther behind the Big East at 7 in KenPom conference metrics and farther away at 7 from the Big East being 5 than the Big East was from the number 1 conference.
The A-10 was mediocre
With the new "5 in 5" rule which reverts back to only 1 transfer allowed without sitting a season does this transfer count as Sheek's one? Based on my brief research it sounds like it would likely be his one if "5 in 5" is ratified soon but this will not be known for certain until all the rules/criteria are formally communicated.
If this will be his only free transfer without sitting that makes Sheek's decision to go to SLU more difficult now since he will not have a chance to go back to a high level program with more exposure, if he performs well, without sitting a season.
The most disappointing thing about this transfer? Not getting the chance to see Tower's headlines when Sheek dominates. Such as, "Sheek, and ye shall find.", or "Le freak, c'est Sheek", etc
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 02:44:04 PMYou've said this multiple times but it's misplaced.
SLU's 9 seed was more about their non-conference schedule than it was their league.
Their league was good enough. Their non-conference strength of schedule was 316. Improve the non-conference schedule, and improve the seed. Play the better non top 5 league teams and don't schedule too many cupcake state programs. They still have to win games of course.
It's true they are having issues getting top 5 league teams to play them home and home or neutral site. But you can still construct a top 100 schedule in spite of that. Several other good non top 5 league programs did that.
What is misplaced? The A10 is not a mid major? The biggest TV games for them were 3 ESPN2 Friday night games?
Their league gave them a total of 2 Q1 opportunities. It gave them 5 Q3 games, 6 Q4 games.
I know you think they're going to be Gonzaga of the A10, you've said so multiple times. They aren't. Can they consistently win the A10? They should, the A10 stinks. But instead of being a 1 seed when they're dominant in their league, they'll be a 7 seed.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 30, 2026, 03:11:50 PMWhat is misplaced? The A10 is not a mid major? The biggest TV games for them were 3 ESPN2 Friday night games?
Their league gave them a total of 2 Q1 opportunities. It gave them 5 Q3 games, 6 Q4 games.
I know you think they're going to be Gonzaga of the A10, you've said so multiple times. They aren't. Can they consistently win the A10? They should, the A10 stinks. But instead of being a 1 seed when they're dominant in their league, they'll be a 7 seed.
There's no room for another Gonzaga unless some middie wins big in March and they'll have to have continuity in the coaches chair. Ain't happening
Quote from: wadesworld on April 30, 2026, 03:11:50 PMWhat is misplaced? The A10 is not a mid major? The biggest TV games for them were 3 ESPN2 Friday night games?
Their league gave them a total of 2 Q1 opportunities. It gave them 5 Q3 games, 6 Q4 games.
I know you think they're going to be Gonzaga of the A10, you've said so multiple times. They aren't. Can they consistently win the A10? They should, the A10 stinks. But instead of being a 1 seed when they're dominant in their league, they'll be a 7 seed.
Your conclusion that they can't improve a 9 seed is misplaced. Your conclusion that is was the league and had nothing to do with their non-conference schedule is misplaced.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 03:27:15 PMYour conclusion that they can't improve a 9 seed is misplaced. Your conclusion that is was the league and had nothing to do with their non-conference schedule is misplaced.
There's a reason MO Senators are spending time worrying about what conference SLU is in.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 30, 2026, 03:32:41 PMThere's a reason MO Senators are spending time worrying about what conference SLU is in.
Spot on! SLU is "misplaced", but "the messenger" hasn't figured that out yet.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 30, 2026, 03:32:41 PMThere's a reason MO Senators are spending time worrying about what conference SLU is in.
Even the Senator from Virginia that represents Missouri is concerned.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 30, 2026, 03:32:41 PMThere's a reason MO Senators are spending time worrying about what conference SLU is in.
Yes and that reason is that grifter Senator you mention, is trying to deflect from the Kansas City Chiefs relocating to Kansas, among his other failures. The next sincere thought he has will be the first.
And none of that has anything to do with what I said.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 30, 2026, 03:48:36 PMEven the Senator from Virginia that represents Missouri is concerned.
They have 2 bad Senators. Wisconsin has a bad senator that spent the 4th of July in Russia one year. Plenty of those to go around unfortunately.
Kwicher bitchin'. I'll put our Bay State senators up with the worst.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 02:44:04 PMTheir league was good enough. Their non-conference strength of schedule was 316. Improve the non-conference schedule, and improve the seed. Play the better non top 5 league teams and don't schedule too many cupcake state programs. They still have to win games of course.
Uh oh.. let me look at some facts. Their KenPom NC strength of schedule excluding tourney games was 316. However, the selection committee has a different NC SOS -- it was 317.
Anyway, their two tourney games dramatically improved their SOS.. Kenpom shot up to 113.. and the NET NC SOS rose to 111.
So... that's good, right? What happened to their NET ranking?
At Selection time.. they were 31. After all games were played... ready for the big jump? 29.
Had they played Michigan in the regular season and WON.. yeah, I can see a seed jump.. but the data shows this: their crappy league handcuffed them (and not in a good way, hey).
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 30, 2026, 04:40:03 PMUh oh.. let me look at some facts. Their KenPom NC strength of schedule excluding tourney games was 316. However, the selection committee has a different NC SOS -- it was 317.
Anyway, their two tourney games dramatically improved their SOS.. Kenpom shot up to 113.. and the NET NC SOS rose to 111.
So... that's good, right? What happened to their NET ranking?
At Selection time.. they were 31. After all games were played... ready for the big jump? 29.
Had they played Michigan in the regular season and WON.. yeah, I can see a seed jump.. but the data shows this: their crappy league handcuffed them (and not in a good way, hey).
That's a lot of words to say if they had a better non-conference schedule they would have had a better seed.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 04:51:05 PMThat's a lot of words to say if they had a better non-conference schedule they would have had a better seed.
They would've jumped all the way to the 8-9 game they were already playing in and lost by 20 to a 1 seed as a best case scenario. Congrats to the Gonzaga of the Midwest!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 30, 2026, 03:48:36 PMEven the Senator from Virginia that represents Missouri is concerned.
Damn straight I am!
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 04:51:05 PMThat's a lot of words to say if they had a better non-conference schedule they would have had a better seed.
Oh, the
IRONY! ::) ?-( ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: wadesworld on April 30, 2026, 04:54:01 PMThey would've jumped all the way to the 8-9 game they were already playing in and lost by 20 to a 1 seed as a best case scenario. Congrats to the Gonzaga of the Midwest!
You keep posting and adding things that don't have anything to do with the conversation.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 05:03:37 PMYou keep posting and adding things that don't have anything to do with the conversation.
You must be new here. Welcome to Scoop! That's what we do. All day long.
Just for fun for SLU, on Torvik, I dropped Lasalle and Loyola (4 games) and added UConn and St. John's (4 games). Had Torvik predict what would happen and they actually drop to a 10 see.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 30, 2026, 05:45:15 PMJust for fun for SLU, on Torvik, I dropped Lasalle and Loyola (4 games) and added UConn and St. John's (4 games). Had Torvik predict what would happen and they actually drop to a 10 see.
Thank you for doing the Lord's work. Shut this conversation down. It's over.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 30, 2026, 05:45:15 PMJust for fun for SLU, on Torvik, I dropped Lasalle and Loyola (4 games) and added UConn and St. John's (4 games). Had Torvik predict what would happen and they actually drop to a 10 see.
Surprised they even make the tournament after playing mid major teams from the big least
Quote from: Tarragona on April 30, 2026, 05:03:37 PMYou keep posting and adding things that don't have anything to do with the conversation.
We aren't talking about SLU's seeding improving?
Huh. Okay then.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 30, 2026, 04:57:45 PMDamn straight I am!
Thanks, Josh. Hope the running program has gotten better since January 2020!
Quote from: wadesworld on April 30, 2026, 06:42:10 PMWe aren't talking about SLU's seeding improving?
Huh. Okay then.
I think you "misplaced" the conversation.
So we only got these 2 guys in the portal? Is there more to come?
Quote from: Judge Smails on April 30, 2026, 08:53:43 PMSo we only got these 2 guys in the portal? Is there more to come?
Sir this is a family site!
I can't believe we are talking about Slu after the breaking news about Fru.
Can't rebound, can't hold onto it when he does rebound, and can't shoot FTs.
Need the EuroBasket Final 4 to come very soon so I can forget about this until November
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 30, 2026, 09:01:37 PMSir this is a family site!
Says the dude who posted a literal porn link on here 😂
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 30, 2026, 11:40:21 PMSays the dude who posted a literal porn link on here 😂
We need to bring back the Porn Star Alumni of our opponents soon.
Shocking news, just shocking. Sheek to SLU. I guess tampering does work.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DXzbfJAio_j/?igsh=Z3FheWtzOGFlbjFq
Quote from: willie warrior on May 01, 2026, 12:15:51 PMWe need to bring back the Porn Star Alumni of our opponents soon.
With the advent of OF everybody's a porn star now days. It'd be more astonishing if a school didn't have 20+ students/alumni doing porn.
Not my business what they do but also what a depressing reality 2026 is.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 01, 2026, 12:18:51 PMShocking news, just shocking. Sheek to SLU. I guess tampering does work.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DXzbfJAio_j/?igsh=Z3FheWtzOGFlbjFq
Really wish MU could go after him or them to recoup any payments during his redshirt year
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 01, 2026, 12:18:51 PMShocking news, just shocking. Sheek to SLU. I guess tampering does work.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DXzbfJAio_j/?igsh=Z3FheWtzOGFlbjFq
Definitely a big Shaka F Up. The Wild West of College BB. Next Man Up. Caedin come on down.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 01, 2026, 12:20:59 PMReally wish MU could go after him or them to recoup any payments during his redshirt year
I'm thinking there might be similar posts on the St Thomas message board.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 01, 2026, 12:23:20 PMDefinitely a big Shaka F Up. The Wild West of College BB. Next Man Up. Caedin come on down.
Not much Shaka could have done with this one...other than not taking Sheek in the first place.
But we couldn't pay him starter money. SLU identified him and allocated the money for him. That's the new norm.
The more I think about it, the more I hope he sucks.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 01, 2026, 12:23:51 PMI'm thinking there might be similar posts on the St Thomas message board.
A bit different when you actually got a return on their investment. If you pay someone to play next year and they leave they essentially took your money and ran. If you pay someone to play this year and leave after playing they performed their obligations.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 05:19:42 PMSome people are understandably upset about Sheek entering the portal, and the timing of it. I didn't say that I thought it was a pleasant surprise. I'm saying the information I have is that Sheek's interest came first. Sheek entered after Fru committed. And Jamo White also de-committed after as well. He also has interest in SLU.
If other people think something else or know something else, great. I share what I know, on a variety of topics. And regardless of anything else, it takes two to tango.
I'm sure if it were a different school, reactions would be a little bit different. I understand that. Add to that I said previously that SLU has increased resources and improved coordination to compete at a higher level than before. Some dismissed that. When some others said Schertz would be 100% leaving this cycle, my information was different and I said so. In order to appease some you have to add some sort of negative caveat such as they haven't been able to achieve sustained success there, which they haven't historically for a variety of reasons.
When I share things on other topics it doesn't receive the same reaction. Anything short of bashing or trolling isn't good enough for some people. I don't do that with MU's current or former players, or current or former coaches either. And this was a challenging season for MU.
Hopefully Marquette can continue to add and build for next season.
With Sheek Pearson's announced transfer to SLU today, Jamison "Jamo" White is expected to announce his commitment to SLU on Monday.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 12:53:35 PMWith Sheek Pearson's announced transfer to SLU today, Jamison "Jamo" White is expected to announce his commitment to SLU on Monday.
We don't give a sh*t.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 01, 2026, 01:19:15 PMWe don't give a sh*t.
I'm just the messenger. This is the Sheek portal thread. It matters relative to that. They both signed on Tuesday.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 01:22:41 PMI'm just the messenger the SLU cheerleaders coach. This is the Sheek portal thread. It matters relative to that. They both signed on Tuesday.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 01:22:41 PMI'm just the messenger. This is the Sheek portal thread. It matters relative to that. They both signed on Tuesday.
I appreciate you being willing to share your information but here's a checklist:
Marquette basketball: nope SLU
Former Marquette basketball: Nope he's a HS recruit
Potentially Future Marquette basketball: Nope we didn't offer him
So is it relevant to the board or Sheek's transfer? Nope, otherwise you may as well just start posting all SLU recruiting and roster info because the interpretation you offered is that everything SLU would be relevant to Sheek.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 12:53:35 PMWith Sheek Pearson's announced transfer to SLU today, Jamison "Jamo" White is expected to announce his commitment to SLU on Monday.
college soccer sucks
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 01, 2026, 01:37:40 PMI appreciate you being willing to share your information but here's a checklist:
Marquette basketball: nope SLU
Former Marquette basketball: Nope he's a HS recruit
Potentially Future Marquette basketball: Nope we didn't offer him
So is it relevant to the board or Sheek's transfer? Nope, otherwise you may as well just start posting all SLU recruiting and roster info because the interpretation you offered is that everything SLU would be relevant to Sheek.
Sheek and Jamo are close friends. They coordinated their move to SLU. Package deal. Yes, that is relevant to Sheek.
Careful, we already have Dayton Flyers around here. You want to end up like that guy?
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 01:22:41 PMI'm just the messenger. This is the Sheek portal thread. It matters relative to that. They both signed on Tuesday.
This is not the Jamison "Jamo" White transfer thread, is it?
Again, no one cares.
unnatural carnal knowledge "Jamo" White.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 01:45:11 PMSheek and Jamo are close friends. They coordinated their move to SLU. Package deal. Yes, that is relevant to Sheek.
"SLU was pleasantly surprised Sheek hit the portal!" sure changed quickly to "Sheek was a package deal with another STL kid!"
Some 230th ranked recruit Marquette didn't care about has nothing to do with this thread or Marquette basketball.
Deliver your message to the intended audience and you won't have to play the victim.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 01, 2026, 12:23:20 PMDefinitely a big Shaka F Up. The Wild West of College BB. Next Man Up. Caedin come on down.
Not at all. SLU tampered and offered more money than Sheek would've been worth to us because it wouldn't have just been paying him, it would've been matching everyone under him.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 01, 2026, 01:55:18 PM"SLU was pleasantly surprised Sheek hit the portal!" sure changed quickly to "Sheek was a package deal with another STL kid!"
Some 230th ranked recruit Marquette didn't care about has nothing to do with this thread or Marquette basketball.
Deliver your message to the intended audience and you won't have to play the victim.
Too late. The Messenger has been victimized here by scoopers "misplacing" their posts.
Just be happy that Tarragona's posts no longer run a half page, filled with "I tried" "You don't always get what you want in life" (can you figure out how was relevant? I can't), and assorted ramblings about
anything.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 01, 2026, 01:55:18 PM"SLU was pleasantly surprised Sheek hit the portal!" sure changed quickly to "Sheek was a package deal with another STL kid!"
Some 230th ranked recruit Marquette didn't care about has nothing to do with this thread or Marquette basketball.
Deliver your message to the intended audience and you won't have to play the victim.
Nothing changed with what I said. Fru transferred to MU. Then the other two things happened. Jamo de-committed, and Sheek entered the portal. I referenced Jamo multiple times. Maybe you missed those posts. Jamo may not matter to you or MU fans, but he matters to Sheek.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 02:06:43 PMNothing changed with what I said. Fru transferred to MU. Then the other two things happened. Jamo de-committed, and Sheek entered the portal. I referenced Jamo multiple times. Maybe you missed those posts. Jamo may not matter to you or MU fans, but he matters to Sheek.
You left out the far more important development of SLU tampering & offering Sheek far more money to enter the portal.
If that doesn't happen, Sheek is still here.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 02:06:43 PMNothing changed with what I said. Fru transferred to MU. Then the other two things happened. Jamo de-committed, and Sheek entered the portal. I referenced Jamo multiple times. Maybe you missed those posts. Jamo may not matter to you or MU fans, but he matters to Sheek.
I can think of a million things that matter to Sheek. Nobody cares about SLU's recruiting, nor do we care that you can copy and paste stuff from the SLU board and pretend to be our SLU insider, which nobody asked for.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 02:06:43 PMNothing changed with what I said. Fru transferred to MU. Then the other two things happened. Jamo de-committed, and Sheek entered the portal. I referenced Jamo multiple times. Maybe you missed those posts. Jamo may not matter to you or MU fans, but he matters to Sheek.
So www.sheekscoop.com
I rode for SLU this past season and generally find them likable. The "tampering" argument can't be thrown at just SLU so I'm not going to direct disdain directly in their way.
I'm bummed about Sheek leaving but I have no idea how good he would have been for us this coming season. If he's VERY good, then maybe MU tries to lure him back to replace Fru. It's not like we can truly rely on dudes to stick around for 4 years anyway. Sheek will have a much easier season at SLU than he would have in the Big East, but we'll know rather quickly what we're missing (if we can actually find A10 teams on television this fall).
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on May 01, 2026, 02:12:07 PMI rode for SLU this past season and generally find them likable. The "tampering" argument can't be thrown at just SLU so I'm not going to direct disdain directly in their way.
I'm bummed about Sheek leaving but I have no idea how good he would have been for us this coming season. If he's VERY good, then maybe MU tries to lure him back to replace Fru. It's not like we can truly rely on dudes to stick around for 4 years anyway. Sheek will have a much easier season at SLU than he would have in the Big East, but we'll know rather quickly what we're missing (if we can actually find A10 teams on television this fall).
He gowne. No need to waste time thinking about things that aren't going to happen. He'll follow Schertz to an SEC, B1G, or Big 12 program next offseason. Hopefully he's mediocre this year, gets SLU's money, and enjoys whatever bigger program Schertz is at after that.
I wonder how this will impact Shaka's recruiting model. I understand that the redshirting decision could be a two-way street. If a guy is brought in (and paid) but has little opportunity for playing time, it could be a mutual decision from the staff and player to sit out and save eligibility.
Sheek's situation might be different because he was supposed to be in HS, but I don't need to see an Ian Miletic redshirting ever again if he could have knocked down a few threes this past season and gotten his game legs under him. If 4 seasons aren't guaranteed to MU, then why waste resources on ANY player that's not going to see the court. Part of development is getting in games, after all.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 01, 2026, 02:09:41 PMI can think of a million things that matter to Sheek. Nobody cares about SLU's recruiting, nor do we care that you can copy and paste stuff from the SLU board and pretend to be our SLU insider, which nobody asked for.
I posted about Marquette Women's basketball players when they are hitting the portal. I also posted where they landed. 3 still haven't landed yet. I post about different things. I can update the MU soccer portal when I get a chance for those people that enjoy that too.
I understand the same few posters are going to post in the same way about it.
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 02:19:48 PMI posted about Marquette Women's basketball players when they are hitting the portal. I also posted where they landed. 3 still haven't landed yet. I post about different things. I can update the MU soccer portal when I get a chance for those people that enjoy that too.
I understand the same few posters are going to post in the same way about it.
Congratulations.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on May 01, 2026, 02:03:09 PMToo late. The Messenger has been victimized here by scoopers "misplacing" their posts.
Not sure where this would rank on MUScoop's all-time best gags, but I find the repeated use of "The Messenger" to be arguably the funniest thing I've read on this site.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on May 01, 2026, 02:17:53 PMI wonder how this will impact Shaka's recruiting model. I understand that the redshirting decision could be a two-way street. If a guy is brought in (and paid) but has little opportunity for playing time, it could be a mutual decision from the staff and player to sit out and save eligibility.
I am wrong about alot of things, and could be wrong here; but when 5 in 5 passes, there won't be any redshirts.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 01, 2026, 02:57:24 PMI am wrong about alot of things, and could be wrong here; but when 5 in 5 passes, there won't be any redshirts.
Correct.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 01, 2026, 12:20:09 PMWith the advent of OF everybody's a porn star now days. It'd be more astonishing if a school didn't have 20+ students/alumni doing porn.
Not my business what they do but also what a depressing reality 2026 is.
Links?
Schertz just bought 3 bushels of honeycrisp apples.
Why did I post that here? Because Jamo loves honeycrisp apples, and he's good buddies with Sheek.
Do I want to join the scoop pile on?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 01, 2026, 04:33:28 PMDo I want to join the scoop pile on?
The St. Louis Kid took a massive loss on his seeding argument and has pivoted nicely looking to regroup.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 01, 2026, 04:33:28 PMDo I want to join the scoop pile on?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Potsdam_big_three.jpg)
Muscoop community setting aside their differences to collectively pile on shoothoops
If anything Shaka learned a lesson about redshirting players, it makes no sense in this era. If Sheek averaged 3 points a game last year, would he get the big bag this year, doubt it. No more redshirting!
Quote from: Tarragona on May 01, 2026, 02:19:48 PMI post about different things.
Yeah, we know.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 05:19:42 PMIf other people think something else or know something else, great. I share what I know, on a variety of topics. And regardless of anything else, it takes two to tango.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 28, 2026, 11:42:31 AMYou seem to have a lot of misplaced angst towards me. I am just the messenger here. I post about different topics.
Just as I have with other topics, I share what I know. When I knew their coach wasn't leaving during the coaching carousel, I wasn't guessing.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 27, 2026, 12:14:21 PMI kindly shared what I know as I do sometimes with other subjects, in other threads.
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 01, 2026, 05:19:47 PMYeah, we know.
"Kindly" shared. So there's
that, you know.
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 01, 2026, 04:50:44 PMIf anything Shaka learned a lesson about redshirting players, it makes no sense in this era. If Sheek averaged 3 points a game last year, would he get the big bag this year, doubt it. No more redshirting!
Then everyone would be complaining that Sheek sucked and we need more Caedin. Regardless people would blame Shaka. Or he would have shown some promise and left for the bigger bag.
We have 15 scholarships. Not everyone is going to play if we use a redshirt or not we are going to have 5-7 guys who aren't getting playing time. We need the bodies to practice at a minimum so why not risk a few spots on guys and not lose their eligibility.
If he was ready to play he would have. If he is jumping ship because of Caedin he isn't that good and if he is jumping for a bigger bag he was going to do that anyway and will likely do it again.
The NCAA has to step in to figure out that if a player redshirts he has to stay 2 years then, the college pays for a year without him playing, so a 2 year contract. It will not happen but good thought.
Quote from: BallBoy on May 01, 2026, 05:33:12 PMIf he is jumping ship because of Caedin
Not what happened.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 01, 2026, 12:23:51 PMI'm thinking there might be similar posts on the St Thomas message board.
They're clamoring about the potential five star commits for next year already. Excellence moves on quickly
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 01, 2026, 05:48:31 PMThe NCAA has to step in to figure out that if a player redshirts he has to stay 2 years then, the college pays for a year without him playing, so a 2 year contract. It will not happen but good thought.
it's up to the school to sign the kids to a two year contract, not the NCAA. Rev Share is between the school and the kid. Make them have a buyout like Duke and Cincy had with their quarterbacks.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 01, 2026, 12:18:51 PMShocking news, just shocking. Sheek to SLU. I guess tampering does work.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DXzbfJAio_j/?igsh=Z3FheWtzOGFlbjFq
If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin' - Josh Schertz and Nepo Chaifetz
Does Jamo White also do the high jump
My wife says the site MU Scoop is not important and I should not be on it. Feel she feels it is a waste of time and worries about others. I usually listen to her but heard this a few hours ago from an "inside" source
I learned what happened to Sheek. He is from St. Louis and His mom went and worked on the SLU Coach to give him an offer so he could come home.
They offered him 1.5
And told MU with only 3 hours left in portal to match it or else. They had no time to react and didn't want to pay him that much.
I heard more from this source which can not say and 2 mil from another "inside" source who i feel is not as "inside" .
But that is the gist of it. Lol
Anyone happen to know where Jamo White is going to commit to?
Or where one can get a good Schnitzel?
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 01, 2026, 04:50:44 PMIf anything Shaka learned a lesson about redshirting players, it makes no sense in this era. If Sheek averaged 3 points a game last year, would he get the big bag this year, doubt it. No more redshirting!
Don't worry. New rules won't allow it anyway.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 01, 2026, 06:49:51 PMMy wife says the site MU Scoop is not important and I should not be on it. Feel she feels it is a waste of time and worries about others. I usually listen to her but heard this a few hours ago from an "inside" source
I learned what happened to Sheek. He is from St. Louis and His mom went and worked on the SLU Coach to give him an offer so he could come home.
They offered him 1.5
And told MU with only 3 hours left in portal to match it or else. They had no time to react and didn't want to pay him that much.
I heard more from this source which can not say and 2 mil from another "inside" source who i feel is not as "inside" .
But that is the gist of it. Lol
The portal is not closed. The deadline was for the players, not for the schools. New players cant jump in, if they want immediate eligibility.
He entered on the last day to enter the portal, but MU had plenty of time to match. I would guess MU chose not to match, since the price was too high for a backup center.
And, if he had an offer prior to enterring the portal - that is called tampering.
Anyone else wondering what Shaka will be doing with the extra money he has from the sleek Sheek departure?
F Sheek, clowns gone. Next man up
Quote from: DoctorV on May 01, 2026, 11:31:46 PMAnyone else wondering what Shaka will be doing with the extra money he has from the sleek Sheek departure?
I predict that the extra money will be used to buy more fancy milkshakes after each of the 12 wins we have next year. More Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
Quote from: Johnny B on May 02, 2026, 12:26:13 AMF Sheek, clowns gone. Next man up
Nice! He hausers us and he's a clown. That clown is laughing all the way to the bank, but based on your post if you were in his shoes I presume you would have stayed as Marquette out of pure loyalty.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 01, 2026, 11:31:46 PMAnyone else wondering what Shaka will be doing with the extra money he has from the sleek Sheek departure?
My source tells me he has decided to split it three ways with Fru, Caedin, and Josh. I'm sharing this information but I am just the messenger.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 02, 2026, 07:16:59 AMNice! He hausers us and he's a clown. That clown is laughing all the way to the bank, but based on your post if you were in his shoes I presume you would have stayed as Marquette out of pure loyalty.
No I wouldn't. Dude left MU/shaka high and dry for a payday. That's fine. We don't owe him any reverence though.
Dr V, it isn't that much money. If it was, Sheek would still be at MU.
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 01, 2026, 05:48:31 PMThe NCAA has to step in to figure out that if a player redshirts he has to stay 2 years then, the college pays for a year without him playing, so a 2 year contract. It will not happen but good thought.
A player redshirt isn't a player decision though.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on May 02, 2026, 08:29:49 AMMy source tells me he has decided to split it three ways with Fru, Caedin, and Josh. I'm sharing this information but I am just the messenger.
Caedin - $1.50
Josh - $1.50
Fru - the balance.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 02, 2026, 06:52:28 AMI predict that the extra money will be used to buy more fancy milkshakes after each of the 12 wins we have next year. More Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
joyless willie, or ...
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Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 01, 2026, 06:49:51 PMAnd told MU with only 3 hours left in portal to match it or else. They had no time to react and didn't want to pay him that much.
I wouldn't put much faith in that source because that's not how it works. Once he enters, he can withdraw from the portal or transfer whenever. There's no 3 hour time limit to decide where he's going, which is why he didn't commit until well after entering.
It is entirely possible that he told MU of his intentions only 3 hours before the end of the window to move freely. That means nothing in relation to what happens now or whether more players come to MU. Players who put their names in the portal in that window can now make their decisions at their convenience.
I am pretty confident that MU will go further in the dance in next four seasons than SLU will. Get paid, young man. The track record of MU getting NBA draft picks is significantly higher than SLU, and odds are Schertz may not be there beyond next year which means he might be looking at three schools in three years.
Everyone has to do what is best for them. Unfortunate when this type of story has been seen too many times to count.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 01, 2026, 11:31:46 PMAnyone else wondering what Shaka will be doing with the extra money he has from the sleek Sheek departure?
Great news: Hot dogs will be served at the open scrimmage this fall!
If SLU was stupid enough to pay him the numbers thrown around, good for them.
That said, $1.5-$2mm for a guy who came to Marquette 17 years old and skinny as a toothpick, will go down as a Bobby Bonilla contract.
If the market is $1.5mm-$2mm for a completely unproven kid that has not played one minute, then it's game over. I call BS on those numbers.
Well good luck to Sheek and although this is a big potential loss he likely did not command more than typical modest developmental roster NIL $ at his HS recruitment level for a red shirt freshman so not huge $ wasted. Big development time wasted but that is part of the game now.
I understand that some are not happy but I do not see this as a Marquette / Shaka mess-up. Sheek was offered bigger $ than market value to go somewhere else. Shaka watched Sheek in practice every day the past season so he was in the best position to decide if an all-hands retention push should be made.
Quote from: The_Blaze on Today at 12:48:11 AMWell good luck to Sheek and although this is a big potential loss he likely did not command more than typical modest developmental roster NIL $ at his HS recruitment level for a red shirt freshman so not huge $ wasted. Big development time wasted but that is part of the game now.
I understand that some are not happy but I do not see this as a Marquette / Shaka mess-up. Sheek was offered bigger $ than market value to go somewhere else. Shaka watched Sheek in practice every day the past season so he was in the best position to decide if an all-hands retention push should be made.
Agree with all of your analysis, and especially the bolded. One of two things would be true regarding letting Sheek walk: a) As you mention, his performance in practice didn't dictate the hefty pay raise or b) Marquette's resources aren't as deep as many prominent Scoopers suggest.
If MU can't come up with the dollars to retain a high potential big man, that was showing a lot in practice in his 1-year in the program - even if it requires bumping up the comp of Nigel, Royce, and Adrien - that would illustrate that we can't truly compete at the highest of levels in this day and age.
My feeling is that Sheek's play in practice didn't impress to the point of comping him toward the top of the roster.
My analogy:
Sheek had a paid internship at Marquette last year. He was all set to take an entry level position next year, with a lot of long-term potential for a larger role in the future.
SLU was in the market for middle management. They lost out on all of their primary candidates. But they knew of a highly regarded intern, so they decided to not only take the risk of hiring this person for a management position, but also paying above market rate to get them.
Marquette decided an entry level position wasn't worth paying as much, or more, than some of their managers were making. Especially when factoring in the cost of retaining these other managers, or risking losing them in the future.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 01, 2026, 01:48:08 PMCareful, we already have Dayton Flyers around here. You want to end up like that guy?
ABD...ABSTL?
Or unnatural carnal knowledge Dayton, unnatural carnal knowledge the Billikens.
Quote from: 🏀 on Today at 09:54:26 AMABD...ABSTL?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 08:43:03 AMAgree with all of your analysis, and especially the bolded. One of two things would be true regarding letting Sheek walk: a) As you mention, his performance in practice didn't dictate the hefty pay raise or b) Marquette's resources aren't as deep as many prominent Scoopers suggest.
If MU can't come up with the dollars to retain a high potential big man, that was showing a lot in practice in his 1-year in the program - even if it requires bumping up the comp of Nigel, Royce, and Adrien - that would illustrate that we can't truly compete at the highest of levels in this day and age.
My feeling is that Sheek's play in practice didn't impress to the point of comping him toward the top of the roster.
It's none of that. It's because Sheek was offered more by SLU than Royce or Adrien are making here. Matching Sheek wasn't about matching the SLU offer, it was having to bring all three of them up to that level. You aren't going to get away with paying the 7th guy on the roster more than two of your core three. It would've effectively led to Sheek being as or more expensive to keep than NJ or Fru.
Tough sell on Route 18.
Quote from: brewcity77 on Today at 12:27:35 PMIt's none of that. It's because Sheek was offered more by SLU than Royce or Adrien are making here. Matching Sheek wasn't about matching the SLU offer, it was having to bring all three of them up to that level. You aren't going to get away with paying the 7th guy on the roster more than two of your core three. It would've effectively led to Sheek being as or more expensive to keep than NJ or Fru.
I understand that. My point was if Sheek was showing massive potential, and we are a big time program - you match the SLU offer and bump Royce and Adrien up to Sheek's new figure, and maybe throw a $50k premium each on top of that for Royce and Adrien due to proven results.
Ego is ego, but I'd think also if Royce and Adrien thought Sheek was a massive talent/major difference maker this year, they'd have no problem with MU matching SLU, and in turn bumping up their own pay as a result.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 04:14:36 PMI understand that. My point was if Sheek was showing massive potential, and we are a big time program - you match the SLU offer and bump Royce and Adrien up to Sheek's new figure, and maybe throw a $50k premium each on top of that for Royce and Adrien due to proven results.
Ego is ego, but I'd think also if Royce and Adrien thought Sheek was a massive talent/major difference maker this year, they'd have no problem with MU matching SLU, and in turn bumping up their own pay as a result.
dis guy.. how u say.. no have one clue
Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 04:14:36 PMI understand that. My point was if Sheek was showing massive potential, and we are a big time program - you match the SLU offer and bump Royce and Adrien up to Sheek's new figure, and maybe throw a $50k premium each on top of that for Royce and Adrien due to proven results.
Ego is ego, but I'd think also if Royce and Adrien thought Sheek was a massive talent/major difference maker this year, they'd have no problem with MU matching SLU, and in turn bumping up their own pay as a result.
No program, not even a "big time program", is splashing $3-3.5M to keep a redshirt freshman of Sheek's stature.
It was a desperation move by SLU, it would be even more of a desperation move to keep him.
Even the richest corporations have to make decisions about how to best deploy their capital. Some are difficult decisions, others are relatively easy.
If the numbers being discussed are correct, Shaka's decision to let Sheek walk probably was a relatively easy one.