https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2046335280198598668?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 20, 2026, 04:13:21 PMhttps://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2046335280198598668?s=61
Wow. I know he was erratic the past season but that's still a big loss moving forward.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2026, 04:14:16 PMWow. I know he was erratic the past season but that's still a big loss moving forward.
Maybe this is one of the reasons he was erratic.
Doesn't play for MU. Therefore the injury matters.
Quote from: wisblue on April 20, 2026, 04:38:13 PMMaybe this is one of the reasons he was erratic.
Certainly didn't help, I'm sure!
If their new coach can get them to gel, Providence is going to be really really good next season
https://x.com/reallukefonts/status/2047905287709794785?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
https://x.com/daveborges/status/2049214895451725962?s=61
https://x.com/bigeastvault/status/2050396207437267157?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on May 01, 2026, 10:28:33 PMhttps://x.com/bigeastvault/status/2050396207437267157?s=61
I'm glad that an objective ratings service roughly matches my own optimistic expectations for next season.
Quote from: MU82 on May 01, 2026, 10:50:26 PMI'm glad that an objective ratings service roughly matches my own optimistic expectations for next season.
St. Louis is way too low. I'm sharing this information.
But we only had 12 wins last year? How is this even possible?!?
Quote from: MU82 on May 01, 2026, 10:50:26 PMI'm glad that an objective ratings service roughly matches my own optimistic expectations for next season.
Hope it happens. Lots of games to play before determining if this prediction is accurate.
On a serious note, am curious what the game plan at St. John's is for next season. Lotsa off-season left.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 02, 2026, 06:41:37 AMSt. Louis is way too low. I'm sharing this information.
Thank you for being just the messenger.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 02, 2026, 08:15:09 AMOn a serious note, am curious what the game plan at St. John's is for next season. Lotsa off-season left.
Spend a lot of money.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on May 02, 2026, 07:43:05 AMBut we only had 12 wins last year? How is this even possible?!?
Wait until you dig in and see how many min are expected for Caedin in that projection.
(Hint: it's over 11min (https://barttorvik.com/rostercast.php?team=Marquette&year=2027))
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on May 02, 2026, 07:43:05 AMBut we only had 12 wins last year? How is this even possible?!?
It's almost like W/L record doesnt tell the whole story of how good or bad a team is and isn't predictive of next seasons results.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 02, 2026, 09:08:20 AMWait until you dig in and see how many min are expected for Caedin in that projection.
(Hint: it's over 11min (https://barttorvik.com/rostercast.php?team=Marquette&year=2027))
I hadn't seen that before, and I confess that I don't know how to use it to determine minutes per game per player. What I can see is that Hamilton is projected behind the freshman Egbuonu in whatever the measurement is.
Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2026, 10:45:30 AMI hadn't seen that before, and I confess that I don't know how to use it to determine minutes per game per player. What I can see is that Hamilton is projected behind the freshman Egbuonu in whatever the measurement is.
It shows 18 with 29% of minutes. 29% x 40 = 11.6 (plus add a tiny bit for assumed overtime games). Rounded, Torvik has 18 at 12, which seems about right as to what SS would like to do.
Where are we talking about John Fanta killing it on the Kentucky Derby announcer team?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 02, 2026, 05:32:23 PMWhere are we talking about John Fanta killing it on the Kentucky Derby announcer team?
Did I miss the Derby again? Dang it!
(Though, derby parties are fun)
Nope. Delayed.
You did. As always, history was made.
Quote from: tower912 on May 02, 2026, 06:12:05 PMYou did. As always, history was made.
Just did some reading "a $3.1 million winner's purse." - apparently it'd be wiser to have a tall child and teach him to play basketball! Or...be NJ.
Quote from: tower912 on May 02, 2026, 06:12:05 PMYou did. As always, history was made.
Oh, man. Going to have to boycott the second leg of the Triple Crown or really cheer for a man to win.
Quote from: tower912 on May 02, 2026, 06:12:05 PMYou did. As always, history was made.
Not really. A horse won again.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 02, 2026, 06:14:55 PMJust did some reading "a $3.1 million winner's purse." - apparently it'd be wiser to have a tall child and teach him to play basketball! Or...be NJ.
But will people pay you exorbitant amounts of money to breed with your son?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 02, 2026, 06:35:59 PMBut will people pay you exorbitant amounts of money to breed with your son?
That's a little personal! And I'd need to have a son. But I'm guessing yes.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 02, 2026, 06:23:06 PMOh, man. Going to have to boycott the second leg of the Triple Crown or really cheer for a man to win.
That was probably the craziest horse race I recall seeing. From the jockey falling off the horse as they are entering the gates to all the longshots that were in the final stretch. Just crazy.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 02, 2026, 07:24:44 PMThat was probably the craziest horse race I recall seeing. From the jockey falling off the horse as they are entering the gates to all the longshots that were in the final stretch. Just crazy.
Yeah, it was fun.
And now everyone can go back to ignoring horse racing for the next 364 days.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 02, 2026, 07:24:44 PMThat was probably the craziest horse race I recall seeing. From the jockey falling off the horse as they are entering the gates to all the longshots that were in the final stretch. Just crazy.
"Falling off?" :o With the horse going down to the ground, he got off as quickly as possible and clear of the 1300+ lb. horse so that he didn't become embedded in the track.
I had a horse that one time snagged the edge of the pavement, tripped, and toppled over sideways. Fortunately, his shoulder hit the ground first. Otherwise, my leg would probably have been broken in 2-3 places. and if he had rolled over me, I might not be here typing this. The jockey had time to get off. I didn't, and I had a very sore leg but no broken bones. Riders have been killed by a horse going over backwards and landing on them.
Quote from: MuMark on May 01, 2026, 10:28:33 PMhttps://x.com/bigeastvault/status/2050396207437267157?s=61
Marquette's ranking for the 25/26 season was .7677. The projection for next season is .9084. The starting team is the same except we replaced Ben and Chase with Fru and Minessale. Were Ben and Chase that much of a liability last season or was it Tre, Lowery and Sean?
Nm
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 04, 2026, 06:57:21 AMMarquette's ranking for the 25/26 season was .7677. The projection for next season is .9084. The starting team is the same except we replaced Ben and Chase with Fru and Minessale. Were Ben and Chase that much of a liability last season or was it Tre, Lowery and Sean?
Some of it was the five players you mentioned...but you know added positives are part of the reason for optimistic projections, not just removed negatives.
Fru and Minessale are huge additions. Egbuonuo has the potential to be a contributor as a freshman. Ian, Nash, and Ethan could also surprise and have instant impact. We bring back eight players who all have the chance to develop and get better.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 04, 2026, 06:57:21 AMMarquette's ranking for the 25/26 season was .7677. The projection for next season is .9084. The starting team is the same except we replaced Ben and Chase with Fru and Minessale. Were Ben and Chase that much of a liability last season or was it Tre, Lowery and Sean?
The bigger deal is that NJ, Adrien, and Royce next year project to be bigger contributors than Sean, Zaide, & Royce last year because they have more productive track records
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 04, 2026, 06:57:21 AMMarquette's ranking for the 25/26 season was .7677. The projection for next season is .9084. The starting team is the same except we replaced Ben and Chase with Fru and Minessale. Were Ben and Chase that much of a liability last season or was it Tre, Lowery and Sean?
1) In season improvement. MU was #142 in T Rank through Jan 1, but finished #75.
2) MU was #363 in luck according to KenPom last season. Statistically, MU's record was worse than it's expected record.
3) Fru and Minessale were both top 250 in BPR on Evan Miya. Nigel James was our only top 250 player last season. IIRC, Chase was in the 300s and Gold was in the 800s.
4) Season over season improvement expected from returning players, especially James, Stevens, and Parham.
I'm loving all the optimism this offseason, especially because it feels more justifiable than last year.
Let's put it this way:
-All 5 (expected) starters coming into next year were have a clear path to building on productive campaigns from last year. And I know MU was hot garbage for most of it but they ended respectably, especially considering the freshman and sophomore classes were big factors. The "core three" are all young enough to expect sizable jumps in production each offseason, which alone is enough to be excited about next season.
-Minessale and Fru also have loads of experience AND some runway to improve. It also helps how they fit into the system perfectly.
-Our bench looks to be more of a factor than last year. MPIII will be of collage age and DO might not have to spend the entire offseason recovering from surgery. Egbuonu and Ian Miletic might contribute as well.
-If Nash Walker is healthy, it couldn't hurt to add some outside shooting. I also think Ian Miletic will help in this regard + MPIII getting more minutes will help our 3-point %
-This one is going to be controversial but Josh Clark and Caedin Hamilton aren't going to get worse? Clark especially has so many physical tools that if he can get on the court and actually belong, we'll benefit from his rebounding, rim protection and lob threat. I wouldn't be shocked if CH looks like he belongs, but I'd rather not have to count on it like the past 2 years.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on May 04, 2026, 11:22:05 AM-Minessale and Fru also have loads of experience AND some runway to improve. It also helps how they fit into the system perfectly.
This isn't talked about enough. These two fit perfectly into what Shaka loves to do offensively.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on May 04, 2026, 11:51:36 AMThis isn't talked about enough. These two fit perfectly into what Shaka loves to do offensively.
At least what Nevada likes to do offensively. We'll have to see how similar the offense is with him off to Siena.
Was listening to NBA radio in the car. One of the guests were talking about the analytics of shooting 3's, layups and free throws. He stated this analytic is flawed. Only one of the Top 10 teams in 3 point shots attempted made it out of the first round (Cleveland). This style of game only works if you have multiple people who shoot a high percentage from three. For the season, they calculated the fastbreak scenario where it is passed out for an open three. That play ended up being a net negative. Hopefully Shaka was listening.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 05, 2026, 05:21:18 AMAt least what Nevada likes to do offensively. We'll have to see how similar the offense is with him off to Siena.
Speaking of Nevada, I know we filled one of the assistant openings with Shaka's former assistant at VCU but any word on the other opening? I'm surprised we haven't seen anything.
Maybe he's pulling a Wojo and promoting from within?
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 08:21:48 AMWas listening to NBA radio in the car. One of the guests were talking about the analytics of shooting 3's, layups and free throws. He stated this analytic is flawed. Only one of the Top 10 teams in 3 point shots attempted made it out of the first round (Cleveland). This style of game only works if you have multiple people who shoot a high percentage of threes. For the season, they calculated the fastbreak scenario where it is passed out for an open three. That play ended up being a net negative. Hopefully Shaka was listening.
It sounds like a conversation with a bunch of people who think they understand analytics, but they really don't understand analytics. It's not simply about shooting a bunch of threes. You even said it yourself...it's about shooting threes, layups and getting to the line. And it certainly isn't "flawed."
The highest scoring team in the league, and the defending champion, OKC Thunder, are pretty average in three point attempts, but they get a ton of points in the paint and get to the line a decent amount.
Here is their shot chart. (https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/thunder-shot-chart)
This is exactly what Shaka wants. He just doesn't want them jacking up three pointers. He wants them scoring at the rim.
I believe they understand analytics. Their main point was that this style of basketball does not work if you do not have the players who can make those shots. Too many coaches are sticking to this style when they dont have the players to play that way. He was looking at teams like Golden State, Memphis, Chicago, Milwaukee, and first round exits by Charlotte, Boston, Portland,Atlanta,and Phoenix.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 09:23:02 AMI believe they understand analytics. Their main point was that this style of basketball does not work if you do not have the players who can make those shots. Too many coaches are sticking to this style when they dont have the players to play that way. He was looking at teams like Golden State, Memphis, Chicago, Milwaukee, and first round exits by Charlotte, Boston, Portland,Atlanta,and Phoenix.
What "style" is he talking about? Shooting lots of threes? That's not the only thing analytics says is a good shot.
Is he actually advocating taking more mid-range shots or something?
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 09:23:02 AMI believe they understand analytics. Their main point was that this style of basketball does not work if you do not have the players who can make those shots. Too many coaches are sticking to this style when they dont have the players to play that way. He was looking at teams like Golden State, Memphis, Chicago, Milwaukee, and first round exits by Charlotte, Boston, Portland,Atlanta,and Phoenix.
Open 3s and shots in the paint are the best shots to take. Obviously, you need the players to make those shots at an efficient rate.
Taking worse shots (midrange) sure doesn't sound like the right solution.
The problem last season wasn't the offense - it was the players.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 05, 2026, 09:39:09 AMThe problem last season wasn't the offense - it was the players.
Their argument, which I agree with, is you need to cater the offense to the personnel. So by that, the problem was the offense.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 09:45:30 AMTheir argument, which I agree with, is you need to cater the offense to the personnel. So by that, the problem was the offense.
No team is going to run a less efficient offense. Did the Celtics take too many threes? Sure...but that means they needed to get the ball to the rim more. Shaka would agree with that.
There was no system that was going to make our offense good last season.
And we still generated an insane amount of good looks at the rim, so the staff stuck with it. Again, it worked, the players just couldnt make layups.
I dont expect the system to change much either since we added two guys who are at their best getting to the rim and finishing. And Nigel and Royce are best around the rim too.
Quote from: JTJ3 on May 05, 2026, 09:54:27 AMThere was no system that was going to make our offense good last season.
And we still generated an insane amount of good looks at the rim, so the staff stuck with it. Again, it worked, the players just couldnt make layups.
I dont expect the system to change much either since we added two guys who are at their best getting to the rim and finishing. And Nigel and Royce are best around the rim too.
People see what they want to see. I saw way too many forced attempts at the rim when a pull up/floater would have been better I also saw Chase, Ben, and Damarius taking too many 3's.Shooting 29, 26, and 27% from 3 are not "good shots"
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 10:26:07 AMPeople see what they want to see. I saw way too many forced attempts at the rim when a pull up/floater would have been better I also saw Chase, Ben, and Damarius taking too many 3's.Shooting 29, 26, and 27% from 3 are not "good shots"
Yes. The best way to fix offenses is to have them take worse shots. Brilliant.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 05, 2026, 08:35:50 AMIt sounds like a conversation with a bunch of people who think they understand analytics, but they really don't understand analytics. It's not simply about shooting a bunch of threes. You even said it yourself...it's about shooting threes, layups and getting to the line. And it certainly isn't "flawed."
The highest scoring team in the league, and the defending champion, OKC Thunder, are pretty average in three point attempts, but they get a ton of points in the paint and get to the line a decent amount.
Here is their shot chart. (https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/thunder-shot-chart)
This is exactly what Shaka wants. He just doesn't want them jacking up three pointers. He wants them scoring at the rim.
I guess NC State learned that the hard way, amirite?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 05, 2026, 10:30:38 AMYes. The best way to fix offenses is to have them take worse shots. Brilliant.
Is it a worse shot? Chase, for example, shot 49% from 2, and 29% from 3. I would argue a 3 is a worse shot for Chase than a 2. He had no business jacking up 4 threes a game. Same with Ben. Ben shot nearly twice as many threes as he did twos, despite shooting 26% from 3, and 66% from 2.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 08:21:48 AMFor the season, they calculated the fastbreak scenario where it is passed out for an open three. That play ended up being a net negative. Hopefully Shaka was listening.
Shaka would rather fastbreaks lead to open layups. He doesn't encourage a player who has a layup to kick out for a 3.
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 09:45:30 AMTheir argument, which I agree with, is you need to cater the offense to the personnel. So by that, the problem was the offense.
So you want the team to take worse shots that they likely won't be better at making?
Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2026, 10:58:11 AMIs it a worse shot? Chase, for example, shot 49% from 2, and 29% from 3. I would argue a 3 is a worse shot for Chase than a 2. He had no business jacking up 4 threes a game. Same with Ben. Ben shot nearly twice as many threes as he did twos, despite shooting 26% from 3, and 66% from 2.
Ben and Chase both shot well below their career norms. Ben drove the ball more but he wasn't suddenly going to morph into a post-up player. Because Ben shot 66% from 2 doesn't mean he would maintain that percentage with a higher volume of attempts, especially if those attempts were forced.
That's two years in a row where good shooters shot well below what was expected of them from 3. Kam had a lot more on-ball responsibility and I assume less open catch-and-shoot opportunities. Not true for Jop, Chase, and Ben - they just didn't make shots. It's up to the staff to determine if that's randomness or if there was something more to it.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 05, 2026, 12:33:32 PMBen and Chase both shot well below their career norms. Ben drove the ball more but he wasn't suddenly going to morph into a post-up player. Because Ben shot 66% from 2 doesn't mean he would maintain that percentage with a higher volume of attempts, especially if those attempts were forced.
That's two years in a row where good shooters shot well below what was expected of them from 3. Kam had a lot more on-ball responsibility and I assume less open catch-and-shoot opportunities. Not true for Jop, Chase, and Ben - they just didn't make shots. It's up to the staff to determine if that's randomness or if there was something more to it.
Yup. For all the talk about Gold being a poor shooter, he in fact shot 37% from 3 over his sophomore and junior seasons combined. That's decent to good, especially for a big. That his percentage fell off by 100 basis points was just bizarre. Maybe he felt too much pressure to produce? Who knows? Similar with Ross, who went from .362/.365 to .295. And, as you said, Jop. Weird. If Stevens and James have similar fall-offs next season, it really will be a pattern. Hope not.
Quote from: MU82 on May 05, 2026, 01:39:11 PMYup. For all the talk about Gold being a poor shooter, he in fact shot 37% from 3 over his sophomore and junior seasons combined. That's decent to good, especially for a big. That his percentage fell off by 100 basis points was just bizarre. Maybe he felt too much pressure to produce? Who knows? Similar with Ross, who went from .362/.365 to .295. And, as you said, Jop. Weird. If Stevens and James have similar fall-offs next season, it really will be a pattern. Hope not.
Or, rib injury and bone spurs in his ankle requiring surgery.
Quote from: tower912 on May 05, 2026, 01:41:34 PMOr, rib injury and bone spurs in his ankle requiring surgery.
Yeah, I get it. But Gold shot meh from 3 right out of the gate last season. Then it only got worse, which certainly might be explained some by the injuries.
Quote from: MU82 on May 05, 2026, 01:39:11 PMYup. For all the talk about Gold being a poor shooter, he in fact shot 37% from 3 over his sophomore and junior seasons combined. That's decent to good, especially for a big. That his percentage fell off by 100 basis points was just bizarre. Maybe he felt too much pressure to produce? Who knows? Similar with Ross, who went from .362/.365 to .295. And, as you said, Jop. Weird. If Stevens and James have similar fall-offs next season, it really will be a pattern. Hope not.
The issue with Gold was that his game was primarily out on the perimeter offensively. They never built the pick and roll to the basket with him, it was pretty much all pick and pop. 37% isn't bad, but it is a problem when that's the only aspect of your game on the offensive end. He never shot well enough to have that be the focus.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on May 05, 2026, 10:04:14 PMThe issue with Gold was that his game was primarily out on the perimeter offensively. They never built the pick and roll to the basket with him, it was pretty much all pick and pop. 37% isn't bad, but it is a problem when that's the only aspect of your game on the offensive end. He never shot well enough to have that be the focus.
While true I feel like more often than not this past year Ben would have his man darting out to the 3pt line meaning he could charge right by him for a dunk/layup but would settle for a 3. Maybe it's injuries maybe it's what was drilled into him by the coaches but I still think if he had a legit killer instinct in him he could've been phenomenal doing that.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 05, 2026, 10:07:00 PMWhile true I feel like more often than not this past year Ben would have his man darting out to the 3pt line meaning he could charge right by him for a dunk/layup but would settle for a 3. Maybe it's injuries maybe it's what was drilled into him by the coaches but I still think if he had a legit killer instinct in him he could've been phenomenal doing that.
I agree. He showed flashes, but only flashes.
Was Ben ever the stud of the game?
Ben, like Chase and Sean, was so injury-bitten that he never reached his full potential. Add in that he should have been playing PF. I know his senior season was dreadful on many fronts, but Marquette fans should have at least some appreciation for the Big Kiwi.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 06, 2026, 06:09:12 AMWas Ben ever the stud of the game?
According to the MU Scoop Wiki, Gold was SOTG one time his junior year. I'd have to manually search to tell you which game it was for sure, but if I had to guess, it was his 17 point, 6 rebound effort in a home win against Providence (one of two times in his career he was the KenPom MVP).
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 06, 2026, 10:21:05 AMAccording to the MU Scoop Wiki, Gold was SOTG one time his junior year. I'd have to manually search to tell you which game it was for sure, but if I had to guess, it was his 17 point, 6 rebound effort in a home win against Providence (one of two times in his career he was the KenPom MVP).
You would think the MODS would have that info at their fingertips. They pick the studs, but thanks!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 06, 2026, 10:21:05 AMAccording to the MU Scoop Wiki, Gold was SOTG one time his junior year. I'd have to manually search to tell you which game it was for sure, but if I had to guess, it was his 17 point, 6 rebound effort in a home win against Providence (one of two times in his career he was the KenPom MVP).
Based on this thread, I'm pretty sure you're correct:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66931.0
https://x.com/bigeastvault/status/2054192463217377764?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
https://x.com/i/status/2054238665384009856
No idea how he has eligibility but this kid could dominate physically next year for the Johnnies.
Rick going the pro route.
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2072435009500143751?s=61
Good luck with your recovery.
Huge blow for st johns. no longer a final four contender imo
Quote from: MuMark on July 01, 2026, 04:46:34 PMhttps://x.com/joetipton/status/2072435009500143751?s=61
Great news!
Just be thankful it wasn't Fru.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 01, 2026, 05:23:23 PMGreat news!
Cheering a big injury to a fellow conference member? Well, lets just say that's not a very kind statement......
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 01, 2026, 08:55:52 PMCheering a big injury to a fellow conference member? Well, lets just say that's not a very kind statement......
Schtick.
Quote from: MU82 on July 01, 2026, 09:36:34 PMSchtick.
Pretty sure all of Rico's posts should be taken seriously and at face value.
Maybe someday he'll have the same level-headed takes and love this program as much as Willie does.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 01, 2026, 10:06:51 PMPretty sure all of Rico's posts should be taken seriously and at face value.
Maybe someday he'll have the same level-headed takes and love this program as much as Willie does.
Yes, teal shouldn't be necessary on Unk's posts (or mine), but alas, some folks must be new here.
Quote from: MU82 on July 01, 2026, 10:13:09 PMYes, teal shouldn't be necessary on Unk's posts (or mine), but alas, some folks must be new here.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Willie loves #MUBB. His pennant, regardless of its location, proves it.
Rico loves the midrange and Wojo.
Quote from: Johnny B on July 01, 2026, 05:18:06 PMHuge blow for st johns. no longer a final four contender imo
Repole will take some horse racing winnings and go find them a Euro to replace him this season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 02, 2026, 08:16:51 AMRepole will take some horse racing winnings and go find them a Euro to replace him this season.
I don't think they can. They've already signed 15 for this season. I think it's too late for them to cut someone to make room.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 02, 2026, 08:24:11 AMI don't think they can. They've already signed 15 for this season. I think it's too late for them to cut someone to make room.
they can medically exempt the Syracuse kid since the injury happened before the roster declaration date so he won't count against the roster limits for this season (Basketball submits their roster the day before the first contest):
17.2.2.3 Exception -- Season Ending Injury or Illness Before Roster Submission Date. A student-athlete who sustains a medically documented season-ending injury or illness before the sport's roster submission date may continue to use institutional facilities and resources for rehabilitation purposes and may participate in practice activities, when medically cleared, during the academic year without counting in the sport's roster limit. The student-athlete may not participate in competition that is considered in individual or team selections for postseason opportunities and may not participate in postseason competition.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 02, 2026, 08:40:15 AMthey can medically exempt the Syracuse kid since the injury happened before the roster declaration date so he won't count against the roster limits for this season (Basketball submits their roster the day before the first contest):
17.2.2.3 Exception -- Season Ending Injury or Illness Before Roster Submission Date. A student-athlete who sustains a medically documented season-ending injury or illness before the sport's roster submission date may continue to use institutional facilities and resources for rehabilitation purposes and may participate in practice activities, when medically cleared, during the academic year without counting in the sport's roster limit. The student-athlete may not participate in competition that is considered in individual or team selections for postseason opportunities and may not
participate in postseason competition.
Why is the text crossed through?
St. John's will be interesting this season. The Freeman injury doesn't hurt their starting five much IMHO. You take him out and you sub in Dordije Jovanovic or Ian Jackson in to the starting five and you don't drop off much. But it does hurt their depth.
Rick typically uses an eight man rotation with a couple of depth pieces getting into some but not all games. They have a clear top 6 with Ellis at the point, Tounde and Jackson at the 2/3, Babacar and Jovanovic at the 3/4, and analytics darling Ruben Prey at the 5.
But who fills in those last two spots in the rotation? Pohto and Konstantindis were essentially walk ons last season. Avery Brown was a meh starter on a bad Columbia team. Kyle Cuffe Jr is only there because he's the son of former Johnnie star Kyle Cuffe. The younger Cuffe didn't even start most of his games at Mercer last season.
Rick will need two of Theo Edema, Lazar Stojkovic, Gildas Gimenez, and Lefteris Liotopoulos to pan out. Rick isn't known for trusting freshmen with major minutes. Edema reclassed from the 27 class, it'll be a big ask for him to be rotation ready. Stojkovic and Gimenez have some Euro youth experience but my understanding is that both were signed as long term projects. Liotopoulos hasn't shown much in two years as a back of the bench player in Queens.
I already wasn't sure about this year's iteration of the Red Storm. Before the injury, they looked more like a fringe top 25 team than a final four contender to me. Without Freeman, I think they're still a tournament team, but I think they finish behind UConn, Nova, PC, and us in the BEast....unless Billy's understanding is correct and they can make room on their roster to buy another Euro to replace him.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 02, 2026, 08:48:25 AMSt. John's will be interesting this season. The Freeman injury doesn't hurt their starting five much IMHO. You take him out and you sub in Dordije Jovanovic or Ian Jackson in to the starting five and you don't drop off much. But it does hurt their depth.
Rick typically uses an eight man rotation with a couple of depth pieces getting into some but not all games. They have a clear top 6 with Ellis at the point, Tounde and Jackson at the 2/3, Babacar and Jovanovic at the 3/4, and analytics darling Ruben Prey at the 5.
But who fills in those last two spots in the rotation? Pohto and Konstantindis were essentially walk ons last season. Avery Brown was a meh starter on a bad Columbia team. Kyle Cuffe Jr is only there because he's the son of former Johnnie star Kyle Cuffe. The younger Cuffe didn't even start most of his games at Mercer last season.
Rick will need two of Theo Edema, Lazar Stojkovic, Gildas Gimenez, and Lefteris Liotopoulos to pan out. Rick isn't known for trusting freshmen with major minutes. Edema reclassed from the 27 class, it'll be a big ask for him to be rotation ready. Stojkovic and Gimenez have some Euro youth experience but my understanding is that both were signed as long term projects. Liotopoulos hasn't shown much in two years as a back of the bench player in Queens.
I already wasn't sure about this year's iteration of the Red Storm. Before the injury, they looked more like a fringe top 25 team than a final four contender to me. Without Freeman, I think they're still a tournament team, but I think they finish behind UConn, Nova, PC, and us in the BEast....unless Billy's understanding is correct and they can make room on their roster to buy another Euro to replace him.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 02, 2026, 08:48:25 AMSt. John's will be interesting this season. The Freeman injury doesn't hurt their starting five much IMHO. You take him out and you sub in Dordije Jovanovic or Ian Jackson in to the starting five and you don't drop off much. But it does hurt their depth.
Rick typically uses an eight man rotation with a couple of depth pieces getting into some but not all games. They have a clear top 6 with Ellis at the point, Tounde and Jackson at the 2/3, Babacar and Jovanovic at the 3/4, and analytics darling Ruben Prey at the 5.
But who fills in those last two spots in the rotation? Pohto and Konstantindis were essentially walk ons last season. Avery Brown was a meh starter on a bad Columbia team. Kyle Cuffe Jr is only there because he's the son of former Johnnie star Kyle Cuffe. The younger Cuffe didn't even start most of his games at Mercer last season.
Rick will need two of Theo Edema, Lazar Stojkovic, Gildas Gimenez, and Lefteris Liotopoulos to pan out. Rick isn't known for trusting freshmen with major minutes. Edema reclassed from the 27 class, it'll be a big ask for him to be rotation ready. Stojkovic and Gimenez have some Euro youth experience but my understanding is that both were signed as long term projects. Liotopoulos hasn't shown much in two years as a back of the bench player in Queens.
I already wasn't sure about this year's iteration of the Red Storm. Before the injury, they looked more like a fringe top 25 team than a final four contender to me. Without Freeman, I think they're still a tournament team, but I think they finish behind UConn, Nova, PC, and us in the BEast....unless Billy's understanding is correct and they can make room on their roster to buy another Euro to replace him.
Have not looked at Slick Ricks roster, but from the names mentioned above, he must be spending lots of time overseas for his recruiting. Is there a Porcinos 2 in Italy?
Quote from: willie warrior on July 02, 2026, 09:14:54 AMHave not looked at Slick Ricks roster, but from the names mentioned above, he must be spending lots of time overseas for his recruiting. Is there a Porcinos 2 in Italy?
No
Quote from: The Sultan on July 02, 2026, 08:43:14 AMWhy is the text crossed through?
I probably clicked on the strikethrough format instead of italics. Thanks for catching that.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2072690434443297126
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 02, 2026, 10:06:11 AMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2072690434443297126
That's a dopey declaration from someone unaware that Shaka plans to play 18 for 36 mpg at the wing.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 02, 2026, 08:40:15 AMthey can medically exempt the Syracuse kid since the injury happened before the roster declaration date so he won't count against the roster limits for this season (Basketball submits their roster the day before the first contest):
17.2.2.3 Exception -- Season Ending Injury or Illness Before Roster Submission Date. A student-athlete who sustains a medically documented season-ending injury or illness before the sport's roster submission date may continue to use institutional facilities and resources for rehabilitation purposes and may participate in practice activities, when medically cleared, during the academic year without counting in the sport's roster limit. The student-athlete may not participate in competition that is considered in individual or team selections for postseason opportunities and may not participate in postseason competition.
Technically, I believe they could submit the roster early -- the day before the first game is just the deadline. If they submit early, but a guy gets hurt before game 1, there is a still an exemption available even though they had submitted the roster (see 17.2.5(a)).
In other words, it's all about the first game of the year.. not when the roster was submitted. (Not relevant in most cases but I like to read the bylaws).
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 02, 2026, 11:36:20 AMTechnically, I believe they could submit the roster early -- the day before the first game is just the deadline. If they submit early, but a guy gets hurt before game 1, there is a still an exemption available even though they had submitted the roster (see 17.2.5(a)).
In other words, it's all about the first game of the year.. not when the roster was submitted. (Not relevant in most cases but I like to read the bylaws).
#fakenews #lies
During a recent court hearing regarding the eligibility lawsuit by some exhausted eligibility seniors, Richard Pitino had to state that this year's X NIL budget is $14 million, up from $5.5 million last season.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2026/07/01/xavier-musketeers-basketball-budget-2026-27-season/90772617007/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 02, 2026, 04:16:24 PMDuring a recent court hearing regarding the eligibility lawsuit by some exhausted eligibility seniors, Richard Pitino had to state that this year's X NIL budget is $14 million, up from $5.5 million last season.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2026/07/01/xavier-musketeers-basketball-budget-2026-27-season/90772617007/
The only source I trust on NIL figures is Jay Bee, who I'm certain knows way more than Pitino does.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 02, 2026, 04:16:24 PMDuring a recent court hearing regarding the eligibility lawsuit by some exhausted eligibility seniors, Richard Pitino had to state that this year's X NIL budget is $14 million, up from $5.5 million last season.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2026/07/01/xavier-musketeers-basketball-budget-2026-27-season/90772617007/
#fakenews #lies
https://x.com/sorangejuice/status/2073824886284276209?s=61
Like they say in Hawaii, Mihailo.
Creighton with an impressive non-conference schedule:
https://x.com/BluejayMBB/status/2074510671073485127?s=20&ref=basketunderreview.com
Butler with a pretty decent one: https://butlersports.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2026-27
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 08, 2026, 08:45:50 AMCreighton with an impressive non-conference schedule:
https://x.com/BluejayMBB/status/2074510671073485127?s=20&ref=basketunderreview.co
Creighton loaded for bear!
Butler vs Nebraska in Chicago. Interesting.
Quote from: MU82 on July 08, 2026, 01:20:53 PMButler vs Nebraska in Chicago. Interesting.
Every midwestern university has a significant alumni presense in Chicago.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on July 08, 2026, 11:39:12 AMCreighton loaded for bear!
Love that Creighton v Gonzaga match-up. We should do the same. Would be fun to host the Bulldogs at Fiserv.
Creighton has a very good NC schedule.
Anyone know why MU continues to NOT play in the Players Era Tournament?
It's a chance for 3 high level / high profile games.
Quote from: Mu8891 on July 08, 2026, 06:08:38 PMCreighton has a very good NC schedule.
Anyone know why MU continues to NOT play in the Players Era Tournament?
It's a chance for 3 high level / high profile games.
Marquette has at Michigan and Mississippi State, vs. Wisconsin, neutrals against TAMU, Virginia, and Mizzou. Their schedule is great.
There have also been reports of Players Era not making payments and some weird things in the contracts players have to sign.
Quote from: Mu8891 on July 08, 2026, 06:08:38 PMCreighton has a very good NC schedule.
Anyone know why MU continues to NOT play in the Players Era Tournament?
It's a chance for 3 high level / high profile games.
Anyone know why you're not complementing Marquette's non-conference schedule?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 09, 2026, 12:00:23 AMAnyone know why you're not complementing Marquette's non-conference schedule?
How would you like him to complement it? By forming his own team and playing blue bloods?
Or did you mean to say 'complimenting'?
#Retribution
Interesting take on DePaul. We know their first half defense on us in MKE was pretty impressive.
https://x.com/basket_review/status/2080335689531420716
JUST SAW THIS. SOMEONE POSTED THIS A COUPLE HOURS AGO.
IF I HAD TO PICK, I'D PICK MARQUETTE ONE.
RICK PITINO ON THE BIG EAST
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 29, 2026, 06:01:17 PMJUST SAW THIS. SOMEONE POSTED THIS A COUPLE HOURS AGO.
IF I HAD TO PICK, I'D PICK MARQUETTE ONE.
RICK PITINO ON THE BIG EAST
We'd be first had we hired him after Wojo
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 29, 2026, 06:01:17 PMJUST SAW THIS. SOMEONE POSTED THIS A COUPLE HOURS AGO.
IF I HAD TO PICK, I'D PICK MARQUETTE ONE.
RICK PITINO ON THE BIG EAST
https://x.com/i/status/2082508981050708111
Clearly a rope-a-dope.
Quote from: tower912 on July 29, 2026, 07:03:42 PMClearly a rope-a-dope.
Mike typing in all CAPS has me convinced.
Pitino as a source. While you still haven't cited one.
Quote from: tower912 on July 29, 2026, 07:19:33 PMPitino as a source. While you still haven't cited one.
Power to the proletariat!
Quote from: wadesworld on July 08, 2026, 08:15:02 PMMarquette has at Michigan and Mississippi State, vs. Wisconsin, neutrals against TAMU, Virginia, and Mizzou. Their schedule is great.
There have also been reports of Players Era not making payments and some weird things in the contracts players have to sign.
The schedule is okay. Would've rather they used the extra game for a high major rather than another buy game.
The Players Era payment issues were debunked by Norlander last year. I think the issue there is more the source of the money rather than the legitimacy of it.
Quote from: tower912 on July 29, 2026, 07:19:33 PMPitino as a source. While you still haven't cited one.
A source of what? "They have spent more than $X, PROBABLY."
lol, get real bub
Still miles ahead of your utter and complete bullsh!t. Go to confession for bearing false witness.
Quote from: tower912 on July 29, 2026, 09:08:37 PMStill miles ahead of your utter and complete bullsh!t. Go to confession for bearing false witness.
I had no idea that your name is "Bub", but obviously JayBee knows. Why do you insist on going by Sean?
Quote from: tower912 on July 29, 2026, 09:08:37 PMStill miles ahead of your utter and complete bullsh!t. Go to confession for bearing false witness.
The line at confession for bearing false witness is around the world and continuing to grow longer.
Quote from: tower912 on July 29, 2026, 09:08:37 PMStill miles ahead of your utter and complete bullsh!t. Go to confession for bearing false witness.
A bit off topic, but I once heard about a boy being told that he needed to go to confession. He immediately replied loudly "my
mom is the one who needs to go to confession!"
No further details were offered, and no one dared ask. ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 29, 2026, 08:27:51 PMThe schedule is okay. Would've rather they used the extra game for a high major rather than another buy game.
The Players Era payment issues were debunked by Norlander last year. I think the issue there is more the source of the money rather than the legitimacy of it.
6 high majors with 4 neutral or on the road is a great non-conference schedule. Two of the six against projected top 11 teams, three more against projected top 50. And Mississippi State a bit lower.
I can't even imagine not being satisfied by the schedule.
Quote from: BM1090 on July 30, 2026, 02:15:35 PM6 high majors with 4 neutral or on the road is a great non-conference schedule. Two of the six against projected top 11 teams, three more against projected top 50. And Mississippi State a bit lower.
I can't even imagine not being satisfied by the schedule.
It's fine. But 6 buy games is too many. And 6 high majors is pretty average. The only reason we didn't the last two years is because they threw away a home and home on Dayton. We had 7 such in 2023-24. Adding another non-con game means 6 should be the floor.
Not to mention, Radford was just like a high major. Still can't believe we scheduled them.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 29, 2026, 09:10:27 PMI had no idea that your name is "Bub", but obviously JayBee knows. Why do you insist on going by Sean?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 29, 2026, 09:10:27 PMI had no idea that your name is "Bub", but obviously JayBee knows. Why do you insist on going by Sean?
Bub, short for that cherished and beloved name from the old south or Rebel country, "Bubba"
Quote from: willie warrior on July 31, 2026, 12:26:11 PMBub, short for that cherished and beloved name from the old south or Rebel country, "Bubba"
You strike me as someone that would proudly hang a Confederate flag without shame
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2026, 12:43:36 PMYou strike me as someone that would proudly hang a Confederate flag without shame
There's always room next to the pennant if little willie has the courage to defy his old lady.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2026, 12:43:36 PMYou strike me as someone that would proudly hang a Confederate flag without shame
It's next to his Warrior pennant.
https://x.com/jeffpassan/status/2083641669614776771?s=61
Just can't get fcking rid of this guy https://x.com/adamzagoria/status/2083698947772625220?s=46
Danny Hurley is railing against coaches who are taking advantage of the recent court ruling that allows fifth-year athletes to keep playing college ball.
"We can't go on the way we're going on like this," Hurley told reporters Friday. "It's the (college) players, but then you also have kids in high school who get affected by this, so there are people who end up losing. You can't act like it's a victimless situation. There are kids who are 17, 18 years old who potentially may lose out on opportunities, so it's not victimless."
"You can put together better teams, compete and not have to identify young talent, develop that talent (and) have a vision of putting together a team over time to develop," Hurley said. "Now you can screw up high school recruiting, (transfer) portal recruiting, not have a very good team and now start plucking from a group of players in August and put together a team."
Hurley said he won't add any players to his roster but called the situation "frustrating."
"If compliance says something is illegal and we can't do it, or a player is ineligible based on the rules, our reaction as a university isn't, 'Let's go find a lawyer in Willimantic, Connecticut.'"
Quote from: MU82 on August 09, 2026, 04:23:41 PMDanny Hurley is railing against coaches who are taking advantage of the recent court ruling that allows fifth-year athletes to keep playing college ball.
"We can't go on the way we're going on like this," Hurley told reporters Friday. "It's the (college) players, but then you also have kids in high school who get affected by this, so there are people who end up losing. You can't act like it's a victimless situation. There are kids who are 17, 18 years old who potentially may lose out on opportunities, so it's not victimless."
"You can put together better teams, compete and not have to identify young talent, develop that talent (and) have a vision of putting together a team over time to develop," Hurley said. "Now you can screw up high school recruiting, (transfer) portal recruiting, not have a very good team and now start plucking from a group of players in August and put together a team."
Hurley said he won't add any players to his roster but called the situation "frustrating."
"If compliance says something is illegal and we can't do it, or a player is ineligible based on the rules, our reaction as a university isn't, 'Let's go find a lawyer in Willimantic, Connecticut.'"
I think everyone understands his frustration. There needs to be a CBA so that the rules are known and agreed upon by everyone.
Apparently the Hoyas are the front-runners for signing NJ Benson.
Quote from: zcg2013 on August 11, 2026, 11:26:56 AMApparently the Hoyas are the front-runners for signing NJ Benson.
Cool, they can enjoy him not playing.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 11, 2026, 10:33:14 AMI think everyone understands his frustration. There needs to be a CBA so that the rules are known and agreed upon by everyone.
If only the NCAA hadn't spent the past decade fighting a Quixotic battle against this.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 11, 2026, 11:51:04 AMIf only the NCAA hadn't spent the past decade fighting a Quixotic battle against this.
Ohhh yes! Remember that college presidents, with their stacks of advanced degrees, were the geniuses who took the attitude "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead."
Tim Brosnan Named BIG EAST Commissioner.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 11, 2026, 02:43:36 PMTim Brosnan Named BIG EAST Commissioner.
It was posted here ten days ago...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67802.msg1821025#msg1821025
Quote from: The Sultan on August 11, 2026, 02:54:57 PMIt was posted here ten days ago...
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67802.msg1821025#msg1821025
Thank You. Yes it was expected ten days ago and guess it was made official yesterday. Appreciate it.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 11, 2026, 12:22:50 PMOhhh yes! Remember that college presidents, with their stacks of advanced degrees, were the geniuses who took the attitude "Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead."
The college presidents are the core cause of all this. I wonder if some/most/all just don't think sports are all that important. I think most get the fact that sports are not really core to the institutions' missions, but with the dollars involved, you would think it would move up the importance ladder.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 11, 2026, 04:30:37 PMThe college presidents are the core cause of all this. I wonder if some/most/all just don't think sports are all that important. I think most get the fact that sports are not really core to the institutions' missions, but with the dollars involved, you would think it would move up the importance ladder.
I think it was more of a matter of them believing that they could dictate-via the NCAA-all the terms and conditions to college athletes. And they WERE able to. Until they couldn't any longer. There was no Plan B.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 11, 2026, 04:30:37 PMThe college presidents are the core cause of all this. I wonder if some/most/all just don't think sports are all that important. I think most get the fact that sports are not really core to the institutions' missions, but with the dollars involved, you would think it would move up the importance ladder.
They know it's important. The entire industry doesn't exactly embrace change.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 11, 2026, 05:03:15 PMI think it was more of a matter of them believing that they could dictate-via the NCAA-all the terms and conditions to college athletes. And they WERE able to. Until they couldn't any longer. There was no Plan B.
The smoking gun of the attitude of a group that just doesn't care too much.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 11, 2026, 05:14:34 PMThe smoking gun of the attitude of a group that just doesn't care too much.
No. They care. College presidents know athletics is important. But hardly of them have experience with overseeing athletics. And as I said, they are generally resistant to change.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 11, 2026, 11:51:04 AMIf only the NCAA hadn't spent the past decade fighting a Quixotic battle against this.
Yup. At this point, I don't know why the players would want a CBA. But the powers-that-be would kill for one.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 11, 2026, 05:36:51 PMNo. They care. College presidents know athletics is important. But hardly of them have experience with overseeing athletics. And as I said, they are generally resistant to change.
IMO, they are a smart group of people and they may care but not as much as they should. Or maybe I should say, they don't care as much as sports fans wish they would. I suppose they may have their priorities in better perspective, but its frustrating.
Anyways, the past is the past. Time to organize the players and sign a CBA or the litigation will go on forever.
Quote from: MU82 on August 11, 2026, 07:43:31 PMYup. At this point, I don't know why the players would want a CBA. But the powers-that-be would kill for one.
I smell a lock-out. >:(
GESTAPO!!!