PCA and Cubs agree to a 6/$115M extension beginning in the 2027 season.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 24, 2026, 06:05:01 PMPCA and Cubs agree to a 6/$115M extension beginning in the 2027 season.
If he progresses as expected, this is a tremendous move by (and deal for) the Cubbies.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 07:46:44 PMIf he progresses as expected, this is a tremendous move by (and deal for) the Cubbies.
I hope he finally is able to leap up a scoreboard and steal a HR this year.
Scoop rules dictate I'm not allowed to be excited to watch Murakami
From ESPN:
"One (realistic) bold prediction: The White Sox improved by 19 wins from 2024's all-time disastrous season. ...... look for the late innings to get better and the White Sox to improve another 19 wins. "
;D
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 24, 2026, 11:29:37 PMScoop rules dictate I'm not allowed to be excited to watch Murakami
ESPN ROY Prediction:
Our pick: Kevin McGonigle (12 votes)
Who else received votes? Munetaka Murakami (5),
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 24, 2026, 11:29:37 PMScoop rules dictate I'm not allowed to be excited to watch Murakami
This is correct. And it should apply to more than just Scoop.
Shut this thread down right now. The Dodgers have already won the 2026 World Series.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 10:50:43 AMShut this thread down right now. The Dodgers have already won the 2026 World Series.
Would be very, very surprised if they do not.
Thank god they've had to trade their farm system away so if wear and tear or serious injuries grind them down teams will have a shot.
Wait, never mind. They just have the top farm system in baseball to replace any players who might miss time.
And a short drive north, Malibu has some very sandy beaches
The Athletic's Keith Law picks the Yankees, Tigers, Mariners, Mets, Cubs and Dodgers to win their divisions. He says the Orioles, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Phillies, Pirates and Giants will be the wild-card teams.
The Orioles, Tigers, Phillies and Cubs will advance in the wild-card round. In the NLDS, the Phillies will beat the Dodgers and the Mets will beat the Cubs. In the ALDS, the Mariners will beat the Orioles and the Tigers will beat the Yankees.
The Mets will beat the Phillies for the NL pennant, and the Mariners will take the Tigers for the AL crown. The Mariners will then win their first World Series championship.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7142103/2026/03/25/mlb-predictions-2026-divisions-postseason/?
All of which probably means the Mariners and Mets won't even make the playoffs.
Chourio going on the DL due to a HPB from an AB during an exhibition game ahead of the WBC so that's cool.
Skenes lit up by Mets and can't get out of the first inning. Peralta not exactly spectacular early on, either.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 01:22:06 PMSkenes lit up by Mets and can't get out of the first inning. Peralta not exactly spectacular early on, either.
Skenes got no help from his defense
Brewers a gave up a lead off homer to the White Sox. White Sox fans can't even celebrate it and the Brewers season on life support already.
Phew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Worse curse? The flag or the Ben Johnson handshake?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Miz only went 5, pretty sure that's an auto-forfeit.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Glad we saved up all those runs from October for today.
BrewCrew offense looked exciting today
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 04:28:06 PMWorse curse? The flag or the Ben Johnson handshake?
Definitely the Johnson handshake.
What's interesting is the Brewers have won a game since flying the L. The Cubs? They have not. Makes you wonder.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:59:16 PMDefinitely the Johnson handshake.
That's reeko's favorite.
Twins lost, and our season is over.
Anyone playing MLB 26? I have 25 and don't really need it, but I will probably buy in the next couple of days anyway. The game is just gorgeous. May need to play with a different team though.. Brewers may be it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 06:20:24 PMThat's reeko's favorite.
Twins lost, and our season is over.
Anyone playing MLB 26? I have 25 and don't really need it, but I will probably buy in the next couple of days anyway. The game is just gorgeous. May need to play with a different team though.. Brewers may be it.
Again, I'm flattered but not interested. We all agree you need to live your life in the open, though. Don't be a Lindsay Graham, be proud of who you are.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 01:23:05 PMSkenes got no help from his defense
True ... but it's still funny to see Skenes with a 67.50 ERA.
Rumors are that last weekend's warm weather got the Wrigley piss smell near midseason form already.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
yeah well that's because they flew the wrong L flag like some heathens.
Nico Hoerner six year extension with Cubs.
Are the White Sox eliminated yet?
I'm choosing to "forget" that the Guardians called up Chase DeLauter for the playoffs last season and will celebrate his HR in his first at bat (and two in his first game). The DeLauter era has begun in Cleveland. Or rather, the Ramirez-DeLauter era...gotta give Jose his props.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2026, 09:35:18 PMNico Hoerner six year extension with Cubs.
Never gonna be a slugger like Sandberg or Uggla at 2B, but dude is fantastic with the glove. I think he had the highest WAR amongst 2B last year even without hitting that prolific.
Cubs now have guys that won a GG in the last 3 years at 3 of the 4 infield positions. And the only guy not in that class (Busch) finished top 15 in the NL MVP voting last year. Putting together a really solid team for the next few years including the PCA extension. If Swanson could find some form again, they could be really dangerous.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 26, 2026, 11:21:51 PMAre the White Sox eliminated yet?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7Tk4MA1QEi8DhwU_JlY2WZh7dXDzLMPHKAPeiIRoXkkTOmFvPqEMPgmY&s)
Shocked that the Seattle Times Mariner 2026 Preview Section was wrong and they wont go undefeated this season.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 10:50:43 AMShut this thread down right now. The Dodgers have already won the 2026 World Series.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 27, 2026, 10:25:41 AMNever gonna be a slugger like Sandberg or Uggla at 2B, but dude is fantastic with the glove. I think he had the highest WAR amongst 2B last year even without hitting that prolific.
Cubs now have guys that won a GG in the last 3 years at 3 of the 4 infield positions. And the only guy not in that class (Busch) finished top 15 in the NL MVP voting last year. Putting together a really solid team for the next few years including the PCA extension. If Swanson could find some form again, they could be really dangerous.
In reality, he is one of the best hitters on the team. If the Brewers are leading by 1run in the 9th with runners in scoring position, he is the one guy I don't wanna see at the plate.
Quote from: Jockey on March 27, 2026, 03:07:36 PMIn reality, he is one of the best hitters on the team. If the Brewers are leading by 1run in the 9th with runners in scoring position, he is the one guy I don't wanna see at the plate.
Yep. Good player. Him and Turang are the guys in the NL
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 27, 2026, 11:49:35 AMShocked that the Seattle Times Mariner 2026 Preview Section was wrong and they wont go undefeated this season.
Shocked - shocked! - that you're still obsessing about what others say about the Mariners and Seahawks.
Just go with your gut: Both teams suck. That belief of yours was right on last season!
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2026, 05:06:47 PMShocked - shocked! - that you're still obsessing about what others say about the Mariners and Seahawks.
Just go with your gut: Both teams suck. That belief of yours was right on last season!
I can't believe the Seattle media would think the Mariners are good after last year. The Times have them having a successful season? Based on what?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2026, 06:39:52 AMI'm choosing to "forget" that the Guardians called up Chase DeLauter for the playoffs last season and will celebrate his HR in his first at bat (and two in his first game). The DeLauter era has begun in Cleveland. Or rather, the Ramirez-DeLauter era...gotta give Jose his props.
...and DeLauter homers in his first AB in game two. That 3 HR in his first 6 MLB (regular season) ABs. Nice start, kid.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2026, 05:28:00 PMI can't believe the Seattle media would think the Mariners are good after last year. The Times have them having a successful season? Based on what?
Through two games, Seattle's 2-3-4 hitters (Raleigh, Rodriguez, Naylor) are a combined 0-for-22 with 12 Ks. Why didn't the Seattle Times predict that?
Looks like the Seattle Times revised their prediction to 161 - 1
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2026, 11:26:02 PMThrough two games, Seattle's 2-3-4 hitters (Raleigh, Rodriguez, Naylor) are a combined 0-for-22 with 12 Ks. Why didn't the Seattle Times predict that?
Cade Horton has given up two runs or fewer in his last 13 starts.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2026, 02:28:25 PMLooks like the Seattle Times revised their prediction to 161 - 1
And you've revised your prediction to 1-161.
These prices cannot be legit...at least face value:
https://x.com/TheKevinDalton/status/2037905691084767428
Yet the Dodgers will probably draw another 4 million fans again this year. If this guy is so concerned about prices then he should park in lot 13 for $5. It's a bit of a walk, but doable. Food and drinks too expensive? Bring your own. The Dodgers allow you to bring in almost any snacks and beverages you want. I'd rather grab a Dodger dog and a beer, but to each his own. People like to complain about everything nowadays.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on March 28, 2026, 06:36:06 PMYet the Dodgers will probably draw another 4 million fans again this year. If this guy is so concerned about prices then he should park in lot 13 for $5. It's a bit of a walk, but doable. Food and drinks too expensive? Bring your own. The Dodgers allow you to bring in almost any snacks and beverages you want. I'd rather grab a Dodger dog and a beer, but to each his own. People like to complain about everything nowadays.
Next you'll be telling us that Dave Roberts is the best manager in baseball.
lolz
https://x.com/talkinbaseball_/status/2038297562872942849?s=46
Concerns that Murakami won't be able handle MLB velocity may have been overblown.
Is a 2.700 OPS good?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2026, 02:09:50 PMConcerns that Murakami won't be able handle MLB velocity may have been overblown.
Is a 2.700 OPS good?
It's a shame you can't enjoy him
What a game for the Brewers!
No quit in them.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2026, 02:09:50 PMConcerns that Murakami won't be able handle MLB velocity may have been overblown.
Is a 2.700 OPS good?
I was at the MLB flagship store in NYC today. Their entire Sox section is only Murakami jerseys. I thought maybe a Montgomery jersey or Tshirt, but no.
Quote from: Dish on March 29, 2026, 08:44:53 PMI was at the MLB flagship store in NYC today. Their entire Sox section is only Murakami jerseys. I thought maybe a Montgomery jersey or Tshirt, but no.
That is amazing
.... that they have a White Sox section. :D
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2026, 08:58:03 PM...and DeLauter homers in his first AB in game two. That 3 HR in his first 6 MLB (regular season) ABs. Nice start, kid.
Glad to get DeLauter out of town. What an opening series the kid had!
Was entertaining the idea of going to the Twins' opener on Friday afternoon. Issue is that the forecast is a high of 38. Massive snowstorms coming Thursday and Saturday as well.
Sometimes I miss the Dome.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 30, 2026, 11:58:54 AMWas entertaining the idea of going to the Twins' opener on Friday afternoon. Issue is that the forecast is a high of 38. Massive snowstorms coming Thursday and Saturday as well.
Sometimes I miss the Dome.
I hear ya. The Metrodome was a dump ... but you knew that if a game was scheduled, the game would be played. And you didn't have to wear a parka, ski hat and gloves to watch it.
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 12:49:28 PMI hear ya. The Metrodome was a dump ... but you knew that if a game was scheduled, the game would be played. And you didn't have to wear a parka, ski hat and gloves to watch it.
Minnesotans are marshmallow soft. Green Bay fans would be there in tee shirts and shorts.
Brewers are reportedly close to signing prospect Cooper Pratt to an eight-year extension worth around $50M, with two additional years of club options. Interesting move for someone who is starting his first season in AAA.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on March 30, 2026, 05:45:17 PMBrewers are reportedly close to signing prospect Cooper Pratt to an eight-year extension worth around $50M, with two additional years of club options. Interesting move for someone who is starting his first season in AAA.
The most amazing part of this story is that it was reported by Bob Nightengale and he didn't f it up
Brewers sweep looking a touch more impressive now.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 30, 2026, 06:51:45 PMBrewers sweep looking a touch more impressive now.
The Sox and Rockies have put MLB on notice!
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 10:57:28 AMGlad to get DeLauter out of town. What an opening series the kid had!
Starting your career with the AL Player of the Week recognition must be a rush. Hope the kid can keep it up. The Guardians could use another live bat in the lineup.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HEsMj_oWcAIdZpu.jpg)
Kind of hoping the Ashby usage slows down a bit. It seemed he was overused at the end of last year.
Last night, the Yankees challenged five ball/strike calls by Mike Estabrook ... and won all five challenges. But they still lost the game.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/breaking-news/article/yankees-correctly-challenge-5-straight-missed-calls-in-loss-to-mariners-aaron-boone-and-umpire-mike-estabrook-exchange-words-042950906.html?
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 09:26:32 AMLast night, the Yankees challenged five ball/strike calls by Mike Estabrook ... and won all five challenges. But they still lost the game.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/breaking-news/article/yankees-correctly-challenge-5-straight-missed-calls-in-loss-to-mariners-aaron-boone-and-umpire-mike-estabrook-exchange-words-042950906.html?
I'm convinced this year is to embarrass the umps and go full ABS next year.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 31, 2026, 11:18:02 AMI'm convinced this year is to embarrass the umps and go full ABS next year.
I'm here for all the CB Bucknor highlights.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 31, 2026, 11:18:02 AMI'm convinced this year is to embarrass the umps and go full ABS next year.
I find it hard to get into/care about early season baseball. Opening Day is fun, but between March Madness, NBA home stretch, end of the EPL/CL, and NHL playoffs, I don't do much more than keep track of the Cubs record/trends/stats. As such, I usually scroll right by the majority of MLB highlights or posts on X or other social media for the next few months.
HOWEVA, ABS has changed that social media piece in a big way. It's absolutely ELECTRIC. The crowd pops are like a WWE event. And that's just for mid game challenges. The reaction when it finally comes to a big game/big moment decisive challenge is gonna be tremendous.
But at this point, I don't know how it's not coming ASAP. Home plate umps get the ball/strike call in their ear and call it that way, only out there to make judgment calls on base running/put outs/foul balls and relay the ABS. It's inevitable cause by mid summer we're gonna have so much real time interactions of how bad a lot of umps are.
I'm only sad that this happened 2 years after Angel Hernandez retired or we would have seen him absolutely try to fist fight people after a 10th successful ABS challenge
This was incredible.
https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/2039151216068809154?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
In the 6th inning of tonight's Cubs-Angels game, PCA misplayed a line drive into a double, and then Bregman couldn't handle a hot shot hit right at him. Angels scored twice.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 08:26:02 PMThis was incredible.
https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/2039151216068809154?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
CB making the NFL refs a lot of money tonight
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 08:26:02 PMThis was incredible.
https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/2039151216068809154?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Who says you can't drink and still do your job?
From The Athletic:
Less than two weeks after missing out on a spot on the Seattle Mariners' Opening Day roster, infielder Colt Emerson on Tuesday signed an extension with the M's that is the largest in history for any prospect yet to make his MLB debut.
The 20-year-old prospect's deal, The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal confirmed, is for eight years and $95 million — $13 million more than the Milwaukee Brewers signed MLB top prospect Jackson Chourio for in 2023. Chourio's eight-year, $82 million extension was the most lucrative contract offered to a player yet to debut in the majors at the time. Chourio was 19 and had barely played beyond Double A, where he totaled 128 games.
Wow. High risk, hopefully high reward.
Brewers just did the same thing with Cooper Pratt.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2026, 07:15:38 AMBrewers just did the same thing with Cooper Pratt.
There is some belief owners are going to use service time as a carrot towards a salary cap, in that they'll cut service time and the arbitration years if players agree to a salary cap. Theory being players can test the open market earlier and get a payday sooner than later.
Whether the players go for it, who knows? But I'm willing to bet we'll see a few more deals like this through the course of the year. The Brewers are allegedly pursuing this with a number of minor leaguers.
The problem with the strategy, of course, is if - as often happens - these prospects don't achieve MLB success.
I remember when Corey Patterson was an absolute can't-miss prospect; I'm guessing the Cubs are glad they didn't hand him $100M when he was in the minors.
The Brewers, Mariners and the many other non-Dodgers/Yankees/Mets franchises can't afford to just throw $100M away on multiple prospects.
I understand why they're doing it, and I hope they are right on all of these guys. But as I said, it's a big risk for what they hope will be a big reward.
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2026, 10:40:24 AMThe problem with the strategy, of course, is if - as often happens - these prospects don't achieve MLB success.
I remember when Corey Patterson was an absolute can't-miss prospect; I'm guessing the Cubs are glad they didn't hand him $100M when he was in the minors.
The Brewers, Mariners and the many other non-Dodgers/Yankees/Mets franchises can't afford to just throw $100M away on multiple prospects.
I understand why they're doing it, and I hope they are right on all of these guys. But as I said, it's a big risk for what they hope will be a big reward.
Of course, that's a risky proposition but Pratt's value per dollar would equate to an average player. If he's a 2-3 war player, it's a massive value.
His case is interesting because he's a Boras client. While Boras and the Brewers have a good history, it's still a bit jarring he let a client sign this deal. Maybe that's a bad sign!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 31, 2026, 10:23:00 PMWho says you can't drink and still do your job?
He's scheduled to be behind the plate at today's Brewers-Rays game. Should be fun!
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2026, 11:18:26 AMHe's scheduled to be behind the plate at today's Brewers-Rays game. Should be fun!
Miz pitching too.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2026, 03:12:34 PMMinnesotans are marshmallow soft. Green Bay fans would be there in tee shirts and shorts.
Wild take from a team who plays under a roof.
Anywho, a 5f game at Lambeau hits different then a 40f day at a baseball game.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 31, 2026, 11:30:08 AMI'm here for all the CB Bucknor highlights.
Red Sox blew his first game by getting two challenges wrong early in the game (along with 1 right). He had some terrible blatant misses later in the game but they couldn't challenge. I think the Reds got 5 or 6 overturned in the game.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 01, 2026, 12:13:26 PMRed Sox blew his first game by getting two challenges wrong early in the game (along with 1 right). He had some terrible blatant misses later in the game but they couldn't challenge. I think the Reds got 5 or 6 overturned in the game.
He called strike 3 on Geno Saurez on two consecutive pitches - complete with an exaggerated arm pump - only to have both calls overturned.
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2026, 12:33:14 PMHe called strike 3 on Geno Saurez on two consecutive pitches - complete with an exaggerated arm pump - only to have both calls overturned.
His pissy and annoyed face/demeanor on that second challenge, even before it was shown to be correct, was hilarious.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2026, 07:15:38 AMBrewers just did the same thing with Cooper Pratt.
Pratt was surprising. Emerson had great numbers in AA/AAA last year. Pratt was just decent in AA last season. That's not to say he won't turn into a good MLB player, but his numbers weren't "oh wow, lock him in good", IMO. Especially compared like for like to Emerson.
I'm at LGA this morning trying to get home, plane sits on tarmac for 90 minutes, then we have to go back to balance the weight of the plane.
United announces they will compensate $300 to 8 volunteers to take a later flight.
I go to get my daughter a Coke as we wait and the gate announces they have their volunteers, time to re-board.
We're standing waiting at the back of the line and right next to me is a very familiar voice. It's Tom Ricketts on his phone. He hangs up and I go "Hey Tom, the $300 isn't enough to entice you off this flight?".
He goes "Nah, I got bumped up to first class, I'm not giving that up."
Nice guy, talked to him for a while as we waited to board.
Quote from: Dish on April 01, 2026, 02:08:53 PMI'm at LGA this morning trying to get home, plane sits on tarmac for 90 minutes, then we have to go back to balance the weight of the plane.
United announces they will compensate $300 to 8 volunteers to take a later flight.
I go to get my daughter a Coke as we wait and the gate announces they have their volunteers, time to re-board.
We're standing waiting at the back of the line and right next to me is a very familiar voice. It's Tom Ricketts on his phone. He hangs up and I go "Hey Tom, the $300 isn't enough to entice you off this flight?".
He goes "Nah, I got bumped up to first class, I'm not giving that up."
Nice guy, talked to him for a while as we waited to board.
I have had a lot of fun with LaGuardia the last week and a half.
* LGA is still under "flight management" from the crash a week and a half ago.
* My Monday morning flight for March 23 was obviously canceled immediately after the crash. I enjoy completely rearranging travel schedules at 5:00am. (Fly to alternate location.)
* My Monday morning flight for March 30 was cancelled, but at least they let me know Sunday evening so I was able to schedule something reasonable.
* My meetings in Alabama ended sooner than planned and my scheduled late afternoon flight from Atlanta was already delayed an hour so I managed to catch an earlier flight back to LGA. I had to give up my Comfort Plus aisle seat for a window in Economy. No baseball owners were on my flight.
* Carry-on luggage is out of control.
Tough start of the year for the Pale Hose. On pace to have a -750 run differential. :o
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 01, 2026, 10:43:27 AMOf course, that's a risky proposition but Pratt's value per dollar would equate to an average player. If he's a 2-3 war player, it's a massive value.
His case is interesting because he's a Boras client. While Boras and the Brewers have a good history, it's still a bit jarring he let a client sign this deal. Maybe that's a bad sign!
Pratt's defense is such that it probably gives you a pretty good 2 WAR floor. If he does jackcrap with the bat it's a win.
I could see them trying this with Made but with the idea that they will let him fester in the minors much longer than they need to. Worked on Chourio - we will see if it works on Made
When I realized that the Guardians were going to start the season with seven games on the road against Seattle and the Dodgers, I would have happily accepted a 4-3 record in those games. Solid start for the season.
That's tough for Cade Horton. Guy looked like a stud.
19-year-old Konnor Griffin, rated the #1 prospect in baseball, made his MLB debut today at SS for the Pirates.
Came up for the first time in the second inning and, after just barely fouling off a pitch to keep his AB alive, he laced an RBI double into the gap. He then scored on a single. The opening-day crowd went wild.
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2026, 04:14:07 PMThat's tough for Cade Horton. Guy looked like a stud.
TJ?
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2026, 04:14:07 PMThat's tough for Cade Horton. Guy looked like a stud.
Thankfully, Chicago fans believe there's no amount of injuries to star players that can derail a season.
Incredible start to Sproat's Brewers career.
The Angels beat the Mariners 1-0 as RF Jo Adell robbed not 1 ... not 2 ... but 3 HRs. The last catch, in the 9th inning, was especially amazing.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2026, 12:29:10 AMThe Angels beat the Mariners 1-0 as RF Jo Adell robbed not 1 ... not 2 ... but 3 HRs. The last catch, in the 9th inning, was especially amazing.
I was wondering why all the stars on the mariners are hitting .038.
Quote from: Jockey on April 05, 2026, 06:52:26 AMI was wondering why all the stars on the mariners are hitting .038.
Yeah, just about the entire team hasn't hit this season. They're fortunate to be 4-5.
They have the same problem they had when they were struggling last season (before they got hot in September): It's either a HR or bust, and right now it's bust.
They've got very good pitching and it's a long season. Raleigh's not gonna get anywhere near 60 HR again, but he's gonna have more than zero.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2026, 10:26:55 AMYeah, just about the entire team hasn't hit this season. They're fortunate to be 4-5.
They have the same problem they had when they were struggling last season (before they got hot in September): It's either a HR or bust, and right now it's bust.
They've got very good pitching and it's a long season. Raleigh's not gonna get anywhere near 60 HR again, but he's gonna have more than zero.
Weird early season. Rookies are hitting better than veteran all-stars. I've never seen this many good players all be bad at once. It seems like the guys who played in the WBC are struggling the most.
The white Sox just swept the AL champions. I am indifferent about this.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 05, 2026, 07:25:09 PMThe white Sox just swept the AL champions. I am indifferent about this.
As you should be. Like a regular season win over UConn, enjoyment is forbidden.
At least one of the Chicago teams isn't in last place.
Willson Contreras deserves Mason Miller to the head
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 06, 2026, 06:52:24 PMWillson Contreras deserves Mason Miller to the head
He's just bringing The Cardinal Way to the Northeast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1seg05m/highlight_david_hamilton_catches_some_spikes_in/
Pete Crow for Four batting eighth huh
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 06, 2026, 08:28:07 PMPete Crow for Four batting eighth huh
Wonder how much of the Cubs sluggish start has to do with the karma of Ben Johnson's poor sportsmanship?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 09:47:28 PMWonder how much of the Cubs sluggish start has to do with the karma of Ben Johnson's poor sportsmanship?
They're still distracted with worry over Matt Shaw losing his best friend
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 09:47:28 PMWonder how much of the Cubs sluggish start has to do with the karma of Ben Johnson's poor sportsmanship?
Can't be cleansed til they move to Gary
https://x.com/CyrtHogg/status/1933312544069861472
This is the guy who is mad the Brewers have hit him with pitches too much...
Very on brand for Willllson to take revenge for a years-old personal grievance by cleating a former teammate of his new team in the 10th game of the season.
Cade Horton done for the season. Sh!tty break for him and the Cubs.
Thankfully, most pitchers come back from this, and many are better than ever.
RIP Davey Lopes
Davey will be missed. Part of the longest playing infield of all time. Garvey, Lopes, Russel, and Cey. 8 and a half seasons. 833 total games. Both records.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on April 08, 2026, 04:49:10 PMDavey will be missed. Part of the longest playing infield of all time. Garvey, Lopes, Russel, and Cey. 8 and a half seasons. 833 total games. Both records.
Lopes had the impossible task of managing the Brewers during the death rattle of the Selig era.
Miscalculations on talent from the major league level through the minors. Came in on the heels of a decade of misses left and right in the draft. Was given a lineup with power but one that was also prone to swinging and missing a lot. Little to no pitching talent or depth.
He did what he could but no one was succeeding with what he was given. Wasn't great with the media but couldn't blame him. Too bad the was he only shot at the big chair. Never had a chance
https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-release-city-connect-2-0-jerseys
Not a huge fan of these "Wisco" jerseys, but the sleeve patch with the barrelman is pretty awesome.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2026, 06:19:27 PMLopes had the impossible task of managing the Brewers during the death rattle of the Selig era.
Miscalculations on talent from the major league level through the minors. Came in on the heels of a decade of misses left and right in the draft. Was given a lineup with power but one that was also prone to swinging and missing a lot. Little to no pitching talent or depth.
He did what he could but no one was succeeding with what he was given. Wasn't great with the media but couldn't blame him. Too bad the was he only shot at the big chair. Never had a chance
To say he was not great with the media was an understatement. He viewed every media interaction like a personal affront.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 10, 2026, 07:52:23 AMhttps://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-release-city-connect-2-0-jerseys
Not a huge fan of these "Wisco" jerseys, but the sleeve patch with the barrelman is pretty awesome.
The first time I saw them, I did not like them. Especially, after last years... which I thought were great.
But the new ones have grown on me already. Personally, I'd remove the numbers on the front of the jersey because it just looks cluttered. Also, I'd have made the "Base Blue" have some sort of wave effect in the material, or in-thread some gold or silver on a diagonal to make them pop or shimmer like lake water.
Feels like they got close.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 08:26:05 AMThe first time I saw them, I did not like them. Especially, after last years... which I thought were great.
...
Feels like they got close.
Spiritually, they're going for exactly the right thing. The Brewers as "Wisconsin's team" is 100%. The miss is using the word "Wisco." That's like, what people from the Chicago burbs going to Door County might say.
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 10, 2026, 08:52:30 AMSpiritually, they're going for exactly the right thing. The Brewers as "Wisconsin's team" is 100%. The miss is using the word "Wisco." That's like, what people from the Chicago burbs going to Door County might say.
I think Wisco has been widely adopted statewide as well. There is Wisco-pop and several beers that use Wisco in them... Wisco-disco... a bar in Madison is called the Wisco, and there is the Wisco Hotel group.
It's just a shame Udder Tuggers is already being used.
They're just mid. Not great, not offensive. They look like little league uniforms, but so do most of the City Connect jerseys (including the Brewers' previous version, which were admittedly better than these but the light blue is now a regular uniform color so I get the redesign).
I've definitely been to restaurants that have a "Wisco burger."
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 09:30:11 AMI think Wisco has been widely adopted statewide as well. There is Wisco-pop and several beers that use Wisco in them... Wisco-disco... a bar in Madison is called the Wisco, and there is the Wisco Hotel group.
I think the "
Ills" would be perfect for the CWS.
Wish they'd just call up Trey Parker and Matt Stone and fully adapt a "Milwaukee Beers" version as the city connects.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Baseketball.jpg)
The Mariners, Tigers, Cubs and Red Sox are in last place in their respective divisions. The Phillies and Blue Jays are barely out of last place in theirs.
It's early, and some of these teams obviously will turn things around. But some won't.
The people most mad about the "Wisco" thing are UW-Madison grads who hate when their university is referred to as Wisco.
However, the Brewers should remember their history and know how many people in the state fought against the stadium deal and how many people in Mequon won't go to the stadium because they have to pass through Milwaukee
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2026, 01:34:47 PMThe Mariners, Tigers, Cubs and Red Sox are in last place in their respective divisions. The Phillies and Blue Jays are barely out of last place in theirs.
It's early, and some of these teams obviously will turn things around. But some won't.
The Tigers, particularly the core of Greene, Carpenter, and Torkelson, continue to hit like it is the 2025 playoffs.
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2026, 02:06:39 PMThe Tigers, particularly the core of Greene, Carpenter, and Torkelson, continue to hit like it is the 2025 playoffs.
And the Mariners, particularly the core of Raleigh, Rodriguez and Naylor, are hitting like the Tigers did in the 2015 playoffs. 😜
Lord the Brewers need to find major league quality hitting at short and third until Made, Pratt, etc are ready. Ortiz especially needs to go. What an embarrassing AB to end the game last night, not a bit surprising though.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 03:04:51 PMRIP Davey Lopes
And now RIP Phil Garner
Anyone check on Rene Lachemann lately?
I thought the Noah Schultz hype done by the Sox/media was dumb. I still think he's not totally ready and came away tonight feeling the same after his debut.
Caleb Bonemer is going to be a stud.
I'm selling some Roch Cholowsky stock and buying some Vahn Lackey stock.
17 good games can get you $150 million. Just ask Kevin McGonigle.
The Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
QuoteIn 67 games since Aug. 2 of last season, Crow-Armstrong is slashing .195/.243/.290. The underlying metrics are even uglier.
Over that span, he's posted a wRC+ of 47, the worst mark in baseball among the 149 hitters who qualify. Rockies outfielder Jordan Beck is next at 55. His .270 xwOBA ranks 145th, while his actual wOBA (.234) is also dead last. His .095 isolated power, a measure of raw power output, ranks 135th in MLB, while his .246 BABIP is 130th.
Crow-Armstrong's approach seems to be at the heart of his decline. His 4.4% walk rate ranks 140th, well below the average of roughly 9%. And he's been worth -15.9 runs above average according to Fangraphs, by far the worst mark in baseball. That's a remarkable reversal of fortune after he burst onto the scene last year.
Crow-Armstrong has always been a free swinger, but that tendency has now reached an extreme level. In 2025, he chased 41.4% of pitches outside the strike zone. This season, that number has jumped to 49.2%, putting him in the first percentile of chase rate league-wide. The league average is generally around 30%, a gap that helps explain his struggles. And that's only part of it.
Crow-Armstrong swung at 80.4% of pitches he saw in the strike zone in 2025. This season, that has dropped to 70.9%. He is chasing more pitches off the plate while being less aggressive on the ones he should be attacking. His strikeout rate has risen from 23.1% in his first 107 games of 2025 to 27.0% since then, and is up to 30.1% this season.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2026, 10:08:46 AMThe Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
I still think this is the year he catches a fly ball a 100' over his head. I believe in him
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2026, 10:08:46 AMThe Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
I don't think they stink, I think they're missing 3 of the best five hitters.
Bullpen needs to pitch a lot better though.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 16, 2026, 10:25:11 AMI don't think they stink, I think they're missing 3 of the best five hitters.
Bullpen needs to pitch a lot better though.
Lost velocity from Megill and Uribe is a problem. I know Uribe closed the door last night but long term, I think it's wishful thinking unless that velocity returns.
Farm system depth will be helpful as they possibly look for arms out of the pen.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2026, 10:43:08 AMLost velocity from Megill and Uribe is a problem. I know Uribe closed the door last night but long term, I think it's wishful thinking unless that velocity returns.
Farm system depth will be helpful as they possibly look for arms out of the pen.
Agree. Last year they had a few guys tick up in velocity as the season went on. Hoping it's the same this year. Neither are at an age that they *should* be losing velocity, especially Uribe.
Tigers back to .500 despite getting nothing from Greene, Carpenter, and Torkelson. Eventually, the offense has to carry its share.
Since Valdez got torched for a 6 run first inning on April 8, over the course 6 games and 8 innings, Tigers pitchers have allowed a total of 10 runs. Saving Detroit's bacon.
Hoping the Brew Crew can tread water until their hitters come back in May. The bullpen is definitely a concern early on though.
The Dodgers and Mets convened next to Robinson's statue before their game, as Dodgers manager Dave Roberts addressed the players. "You look at New York, you look at Los Angeles, probably the two most diverse cities in the world. Jackie would look back and be very proud that the guys that are suiting up tonight reflect his dream, his vision on what equality, unity look like."
Too woke, sure, but still very well-said.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2026, 11:17:16 AMThe Dodgers and Mets convened next to Robinson's statue before their game, as Dodgers manager Dave Roberts addressed the players. "You look at New York, you look at Los Angeles, probably the two most diverse cities in the world. Jackie would look back and be very proud that the guys that are suiting up tonight reflect his dream, his vision on what equality, unity look like."
Too woke, sure, but still very well-said.
And then they were mugged and shot
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2026, 11:39:42 AMAnd then they were mugged and shot
By trans immigrants.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2026, 10:08:46 AMThe Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
They don't pay him for this batting, they pay him because no HR is safe when he's out there.
Will Aaron Ashby win 30 games?
Jim Wilkonson has to be working as a consultant for the Brewers at this point.
Hilltoppers will know.
Tower jinx.
But the bats came through.
RIP Garrett Anderson.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 17, 2026, 01:10:11 PMRIP Garrett Anderson.
I'd pay to watch him, but not Scott Rolen. 53 is way too young.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2026, 10:43:08 AMLost velocity from Megill and Uribe is a problem. I know Uribe closed the door last night but long term, I think it's wishful thinking unless that velocity returns.
Megill's average fastball this April so far is 97.7 mph, the exact same as his average speed from last April. Expect that to build up as it did last season.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 17, 2026, 04:17:53 PMMegill's average fastball this April so far is 97.7 mph, the exact same as his average speed from last April. Expect that to build up as it did last season.
I'm going off what the beat writer has been writing. Yesterday was encouraging.
https://x.com/jomboymedia/status/2045571756967014725?s=46
The entire AL has 4 teams with a winning record.
The NL Central has 5.
I shall name him PCAT
https://x.com/11point7/status/2046760601960292564?s=46
The absence of a salary cap in MLB is so scary that the San Diego Padres just sold for a record $3.9 billion.
https://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:05:14 AMhttps://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
Not even the rats like the urinals at the dump
https://x.com/baseballquotes1/status/2045504585607823796?s=46
This checks out.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 11:09:07 AMhttps://x.com/baseballquotes1/status/2045504585607823796?s=46
This checks out.
And the Cubs have to play home games in that same field when there's bad weather in Chicago. So congrats?
I've never heard of an enclosed building taking water damage before you shared this.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:05:14 AMhttps://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
I can't load twitter at work (don't report me Keefe!) but I assume this is a picture of Steve Bartman?
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 10:02:30 AMThe absence of a salary cap in MLB is so scary that the San Diego Padres just sold for a record $3.9 billion.
No salary cap but a Competitive Balance Tax.
Total Tax Paid: T
otal assessments for 2025 exceeded $400 million.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 11:09:07 AMhttps://x.com/baseballquotes1/status/2045504585607823796?s=46
This checks out.
Stadium not built for consecutive 100 year flooding, got it
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:05:14 AMhttps://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
100 year old building in major city has a rat in it, got it
It's not even that Murakami is on fire, but his homers are bombs. It's amazing he signed with the Sox.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 04:58:50 PM100 year old building in major city has a rat in it, got it
But enough about the Ricketts
Depaul head coach did an admittedly excellent job with the national anthem today.
(https://i.imgur.com/eRZiwEd.jpeg)
Mariners with a nice road sweep of the Fightin' Yadis.
PCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2026, 06:49:21 PMPCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
*MVPete
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2026, 06:49:21 PMPCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
That's two flyballs that I've seen PCA turn into doubles this season; he didn't get charged with errors on either, so they don't go against his fielding stats. Not saying he's anything but a very good outfielder, but the hype is way overboard. He hasn't hit much since last July, either.
Crazy day for ABS yesterday.
The Mets thought they had a bases-loaded walk but the ball was challenged and changed to an inning-ending strikeout. It was as close as they came to scoring in a loss to Colorado.
Mariners pinch-hitter Rob Refsnyder was called out in the ninth inning on a pitch several inches out of the strike zone. But he challenged the call, which was overturned, and then hit a game-winning home run at St. Louis.
There have been complaints, but the ABS system, by and large, seems to be doing its job.
I just saw retired New York Yankee first baseman, Tino Martinez, in the LaGuardia Delta lounge.
ABS has been great. I think it shows that umps by and large do a very good job, and there is no need to have "robot umps," but its nice to have a challenge in place during high leverage situations.
Manfred gets a lot of grief, but the rules instituted during his tenure has made the game 100% more watchable.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 27, 2026, 10:11:20 AMABS has been great. I think it shows that umps by and large do a very good job, and there is no need to have "robot umps," but its nice to have a challenge in place during high leverage situations.
Manfred gets a lot of grief, but the rules instituted during his tenure has made the game 100% more watchable.
Manfred hates baseball, which is good because all of his additions have improved it. Now figure out how we can all actually watch the sport.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2026, 06:49:21 PMPCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
I'm not going to die on the hill of 'PCA is bad at defense', because he's most certainly not.
That said, his spacial judgement on flyballs over his head is sub-zero, and it results in everything looking a lot harder than it should. As such, normies think that they're looking at the second coming of Willie Mays.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 27, 2026, 10:11:20 AMABS has been great. I think it shows that umps by and large do a very good job, and there is no need to have "robot umps," but its nice to have a challenge in place during high leverage situations.
Manfred gets a lot of grief, but the rules instituted during his tenure has made the game 100% more watchable.
Yup. MLB umps are pretty damn good. Most of the reversed calls have been on pitches less than an inch out of the zone.
Every once in a while, a pitch that misses by several inches gets called a strike. Those are the rare exceptions, and they're always surprising. Glad the ABS system exists to reverse those.
Mason Miller's scoreless streak finally came to an end last night. But it might still be intact if the third-base umpire didn't blow a call that let the Cubs' leadoff batter reach on a pretty obvious foul ball.
Unfortunately, MLB replay rules don't allow challenges on such plays. You can challenge a ball/strike call that might be 1 centimeter off, but you can't challenge whether a batted ball is fair or foul. Dopey.
EDIT: I was wrong about the ball being foul, as the link in Sultan's post showed. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last time!
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2026, 11:30:49 AMMason Miller's scoreless streak finally came to an end last night. But it might still be intact if the third-base umpire didn't blow a call that let the Cubs' leadoff batter reach on a pretty obvious foul ball.
Unfortunately, MLB replay rules don't allow challenges on such plays. You can challenge a ball/strike call that might be 1 centimeter off, but you can't challenge whether a batted ball is fair or foul. Dopey.
As I understand it, if any part of the ball is over the plane of the baseline, and is touched by a player, it is a fair ball. So, while you can see dirt in that picture, the ball may still be fair since a portion of it was over the base line.
https://www.closecallsports.com/2023/07/why-was-this-ball-called-fair-in-new.html?m=1#google_vignette
Quote from: The Sultan on April 28, 2026, 11:46:17 AMAs I understand it, if any part of the ball is over the plane of the baseline, and is touched by a player, it is a fair ball. So, while you can see dirt in that picture, the ball may still be fair since a portion of it was over the base line.
https://www.closecallsports.com/2023/07/why-was-this-ball-called-fair-in-new.html?m=1#google_vignette
Thanks for that explainer. While I still think replay should be available for these kinds of plays, it looks like the ball on this particular play was, indeed, fair. Mea culpa.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2026, 12:11:59 PMThanks for that explainer. While I still think replay should be available for these kinds of plays, it looks like the ball on this particular play was, indeed, fair. Mea culpa.
The problem is that there isn't a camera angle better than where the ump stands to make that call.
PCA with a low and outside breaking ball on 0-2
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Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 28, 2026, 07:16:35 PMPCA with a low and outside breaking ball on 0-2
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuh5q28G45IBQUjbsGMc2GQQ0Ty9vG8Y-CrrlSMM_GsWNNq0pnwJIPBwU&s=10)
Lol kind of looks like him.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2026, 07:32:23 PMLol kind of looks like him.
Well yeah it's a picture of him
Wow both Chicago teams two games back. Baseball town
Looking at third order records, the Reds are currently outperforming their numbers by 5.4 wins!
https://claydavenport.com/stats/standings.html
Tigers put all that money into starting pitching but the best they could do at closer was 106-year-old Kenley Jansen?
The many whispers saying the white Sox are back are growing louder
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2026, 09:09:00 PMTigers put all that money into starting pitching but the best they could do at closer was 106-year-old Kenley Jansen?
Three relievers who have seasons with 20+ saves. Vest, Finnegan, Jansen.
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 29, 2026, 11:29:18 PMThe many whispers saying the white Sox are back are growing louder
I'm sure I'll jinks them, but is 70 wins in the cards?
This endeth the Brewers career of Brandon Woodruff
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2026, 01:20:43 PMThis endeth the Brewers career of Brandon Woodruff
Hard not to think about all of the sand that $22M QO could have purchased
When Skubal called timeout and started massaging his elbow and forearm last night, my first thought was that Detroit had dodged a $400 million bullet.
Seriously, I think Detroit still tries to sign him, but final decision won't be until after the CBA is signed and they know what they have to work with.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 30, 2026, 02:14:03 PMHard not to think about all of the sand that $22M QO could have purchased
A LOT
Quote from: tower912 on April 30, 2026, 05:56:33 AMThree relievers who have seasons with 20+ saves. Vest, Finnegan, Jansen.
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
The Athletic had an article recently about how the days of the full-time closer is going away due to analytics.
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2026, 09:09:00 PMTigers put all that money into starting pitching but the best they could do at closer was 106-year-old Kenley Jansen?
To be totally fair, age aside, Jansen was actually pretty damn good last year, albeit on a very mediocre team. His WHIP was under 1 for the first time since his peak in the mid 2010s where he was a monster on those Dodgers teams, even more significant since he's lost some juice and is pitching to contact a lot more than he used to. He's not been good this year, but its not like they signed someone who was absolute toast/had been showing signs of being done.
You'd think this may be his last year, maybe 1 more if someone will pay him, but will be one of the most fascinating HOF level careers in awhile. Made it to AAA as a catcher, good enough to start for the Dutch in the WBC, but didn't have a great bat. Didn't start pitching till he was 22 and in less than a year he was good enough to get promoted to the majors. By his late 20s he was the best closer in baseball for a good 3 years. Fell off a bit during/after COVID then rebounded and was really good for the Red Sox and Braves and is gonna pitch till he was almost 40 without ever missing a chunk of time with injury. He's basically right at the HOF probability level where everyone above him is in.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 30, 2026, 03:13:02 PMThe Athletic had an article recently about how the days of the full-time closer is going away due to analytics.
No one wants to work anymore
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 30, 2026, 04:52:39 PMNo one wants to work anymore
I get the joke, but it's more of having a rotation of closers than a lockdown every day closer like the old school guys like Mariano, Sutter, Mark Davis, Eck, etc.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2026, 01:20:43 PMThis endeth the Brewers career of Brandon Woodruff
weird
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 30, 2026, 02:14:03 PMHard not to think about all of the sand that $22M QO could have purchased
to be fair there's nothing in the last 4 years that could've shown that he's injury prone.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 30, 2026, 06:47:26 PMweird to be fair there's nothing in the last 4 years that could've shown that he's injury prone.
I thought it was worth a 1-year flier. If it had been a multi-year deal, that would have been a different story. Offering the qualifying offer was the right move, 1-year deal and had he declined, extra draft pick.
I think it depends on the game situation. If you have a one run lead in the seventh facing the 3, 4, and 5 hitters with a guy on second, that may be the most important time to use your best reliever.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 30, 2026, 03:33:17 PMTo be totally fair, age aside, Jansen was actually pretty damn good last year, albeit on a very mediocre team. His WHIP was under 1 for the first time since his peak in the mid 2010s where he was a monster on those Dodgers teams, even more significant since he's lost some juice and is pitching to contact a lot more than he used to. He's not been good this year, but its not like they signed someone who was absolute toast/had been showing signs of being done.
You'd think this may be his last year, maybe 1 more if someone will pay him, but will be one of the most fascinating HOF level careers in awhile. Made it to AAA as a catcher, good enough to start for the Dutch in the WBC, but didn't have a great bat. Didn't start pitching till he was 22 and in less than a year he was good enough to get promoted to the majors. By his late 20s he was the best closer in baseball for a good 3 years. Fell off a bit during/after COVID then rebounded and was really good for the Red Sox and Braves and is gonna pitch till he was almost 40 without ever missing a chunk of time with injury. He's basically right at the HOF probability level where everyone above him is in.
He's had a fine career. I'm glad he's not my team's closer in 2026.
With Yelich, Churio, and Vaughn already injured, the Crew loses Woodruff and Miz on back-to-back days.
Someone else will finally win the Central. If not, all 4 managers should be fired.
Really unfortunate for the Brewers they are the only team with injuries.
Murakami & Montgomery new M&M boys.
Miz is fine. Who knows with Woodruff. They get Chourio and Vaughn back in a few days. They've weathered the storm and played above .500 baseball. Rotation has been great, offense is coming around.
Quote from: Dish on May 01, 2026, 10:14:11 PMMurakami & Montgomery new M&M boys.
Dare I say I'm having fun tuning in? A little!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 01, 2026, 09:29:58 PMReally unfortunate for the Brewers they are the only team with injuries.
Who said that? That's wild someone would say that.
Quote from: BM1090 on May 02, 2026, 12:00:39 AMMiz is fine. Who knows with Woodruff. They get Chourio and Vaughn back in a few days. They've weathered the storm and played above .500 baseball. Rotation has been great, offense is coming around.
Yeah, it will be interesting once the Brewers start playing more NL Central teams. Their schedule was very AL heavy to start the year.
It feels like the division will be a dog fight all year.
The Kyle Harrison trade has been great so far.
Quote from: tower912 on April 30, 2026, 05:56:33 AMThree relievers who have seasons with 20+ saves. Vest, Finnegan, Jansen.
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
Vest to the IL. (Jansen may follow) Joining Verlander, Mize, McKinstry, Meadows, Baez. Three all-stars, a HOF'er, starting CF. Other than that...
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
Who do they think they are, the Lions?
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 02, 2026, 06:09:29 PMThe Kyle Harrison trade has been great so far.
Zerpa trade, on the other, though Collins is beginning to look like a 6-week wonder.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 02, 2026, 06:09:29 PMThe Kyle Harrison trade has been great so far.
If I were the Red Sox, I would start trade negotiations with the Brewers, and then simply not trade the players they're interested in
Long time New York Yankee radio broadcaster, John Sterling, passed away today at the age of 87.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 04, 2026, 12:45:51 PMLong time New York Yankee radio broadcaster, John Sterling, passed away today at the age of 87.
Vaxxed?
I didn't realize he was that old.
Skubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Why would anyone pay a pitcher market value. Invest in sand
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Woof for him and the Tigers. Paying pitchers has always been an iffy proposition but in the modern landscape of maximizing velocity, it feels doubly iffy.
Paying should mean paying a long term deal.
GREAT day for the Dodgers, though. Now they can offer him $500MM in the offseason (and defer $495MM of it) while nobody else will give him more than $300MM, rather than the $750MM they would've had to offer him otherwise.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Damn, that sucks.
Best case scenario, arthroscopic to clean out debris. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 04, 2026, 01:50:33 PMWhy would anyone pay a pitcher market value. Invest in sand
Yup. Trade a utility infielder for Kyle Harrison.
Better ERA for cheap.
Injuries no matta. Go find someone better in the portal.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
doesn't sounds like anything major - cleaning out bone chips. I had that done once.
But yeah, that's why the Tigers were smart to not break the bank for him.
Garrett Mitchell caught that ball, BS overturn.
It's my analysis the Brewers are going to need some positive HR regression to be competitive this year.
Quote from: Dish on May 04, 2026, 07:39:14 PMGarrett Mitchell caught that ball, BS overturn.
https://x.com/i/status/2051461729742098546
Absolutely a catch.
I think it pops out of his glove in the image below and touches grass.
I don't know if there is enough evidence, however, to reverse the call.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 05, 2026, 02:14:31 PMI think it pops out of his glove in the image below and touches grass.
I don't know if there is enough evidence, however, to reverse the call.
Yeah this angle felt pretty clear. Still nearly a sick play
The Skubal injury is why it makes it even more insane to me that they pulled him in a game 5 with a 2-1 lead going into the 7th, having retired 13 straight batters and at 99 pitches. Pulling the best pitcher in the game, who is pitching at his best, in a win or go home game. Just wild. You were never going to pay him. Ride your horse.
Good for you, AJ Hinch. Much respect.
MLB continues to be doomed because of lack of salary cap.
From Yahoo Sports:
Nationally-televised MLB broadcasts are averaging 2.28 million viewers this season, a 44% increase over last year and the best mark since 2017. Attendance is also up 3% over last year, trending towards the league's fourth straight annual increase.
Quote from: MU82 on May 08, 2026, 09:07:52 AMMLB continues to be doomed because of lack of salary cap.
From Yahoo Sports:
Nationally-televised MLB broadcasts are averaging 2.28 million viewers this season, a 44% increase over last year and the best mark since 2017. Attendance is also up 3% over last year, trending towards the league's fourth straight annual increase.
Serious question. How many baseball games are nationally televised?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2026, 04:32:23 PMSerious question. How many baseball games are nationally televised?
No idea which games they are counting.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2026, 04:32:23 PMSerious question. How many baseball games are nationally televised?
My guess would be 150+.
Fox, FS1, ESPN, NBC, Apple
RIP Bobby Cox. One of the all-time respected managers.
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2026, 03:08:56 PMRIP Bobby Cox. One of the all-time respected managers.
Vaxxed?
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2026, 03:08:56 PMRIP Bobby Cox. One of the all-time respected managers.
One more ejection.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 09, 2026, 04:47:17 PMUnequivocally not
Was he drinking processed milk and not driving around with dead animal carcasses in his vehicle? Otherwise, if he wasn't vaxxed, I'm not sure how he would have died
Not enough time in the tanning bed.
Big loss of Cox...praying for JB
Cal Raleigh's last 9 games:
0-for-36, with 16 strikeouts.
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2026, 10:36:10 PMCal Raleigh's last 9 games:
0-for-36, with 16 strikeouts.
Even Joey Ortiz would've had a bloop single or two
Quote from: Jockey on May 08, 2026, 10:42:56 PMMy guess would be 150+.
Fox, FS1, ESPN, NBC, Apple
Out of 2430 games played each season that would be less than 10 percent of all games played.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2026, 06:04:20 AMEven Joey Ortiz would've had a bloop single or two
I highly doubt it
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 12, 2026, 06:36:26 AMOut of 2430 games played each season that would be less than 10 percent of all games played.
I'm actually surprised if it's that many.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 12, 2026, 08:58:35 AMI'm actually surprised if it's that many.
Each team plays a 162 game schedule. There are 30 teams. Since it takes 2 teams to play one game, 15 games x 162 scheduled = 2430 games. Not sure if you commenting on number of games played or nationally televised.
Nationally televised. I just don't think that many are shown to a national audience.
Depending on what you consider nationally televised, Google gives the following information:
- ESPN/ABC: 30 games (primarily weeknights)
- FOX/FS1: Over 85 games (includes "Baseball Night in America" on Saturdays)
- NBC/Peacock: 61 games (includes 25 "Sunday Night Baseball" games)
- Apple TV: 50 games ("Friday Night Baseball" has 2 games for 25 weeks)
Quote from: The Sultan on May 12, 2026, 08:58:35 AMI'm actually surprised if it's that many.
I was too, having never really thought about it.
I think it is more like 200 games now that I look at it. And that doesn't count the post-season where every game is nationally televised.
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2026, 10:36:10 PMCal Raleigh's last 9 games:
0-for-36, with 16 strikeouts.
.244 OBP. 2nd worst BA among all starters.
Yet, he is batting cleanup?
Chris Davis 2.0? Bout the same age as Davis when he fell off a cliff.
Quote from: Jockey on May 12, 2026, 11:51:35 AM.244 OBP. 2nd worst BA among all starters.
Yet, he is batting cleanup?
Chris Davis 2.0? Bout the same age as Davis when he fell off a cliff.
Quote from: Jockey on May 12, 2026, 11:51:35 AM.244 OBP. 2nd worst BA among all starters.
Yet, he is batting cleanup?
He was moved down from second in the order. He and his manager are both searching.
Ohtani (4-for-38, 0 HR in last 11 games) and Alvarez (7-for-38, 2 XBH in 10 May games) are also slumping now, too (though not as bad as Raleigh). It happens.
Quote from: MU82 on May 12, 2026, 12:08:44 PMHe was moved down from second in the order. He and his manager are both searching.
Ohtani (4-for-38, 0 HR in last 11 games) and Alvarez (7-for-38, 2 XBH in 10 May games) are also slumping now, too (though not as bad as Raleigh). It happens.
Vaxxed?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 12, 2026, 10:52:23 AMNationally televised. I just don't think that many are shown to a national audience.
When I asked the question, I was trying to think of when and where national MLB games are aired. I know about Sunday Night Baseball, but that was it. I don't think citing national broadcast numbers is a great measure of the sport, but I like that MLB is doing well.
I think baseball is in a good spot. I think some in the press use the NFL and maybe the NBA as a measuring stick, but that is unfair. It's kinda like using Google or Apple as the standard of financial performance.
I agree. With at least 8-10 games played every day for 6 months, it's apples/oranges to try to compare to the one game per week the NFL teams play.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on May 12, 2026, 04:47:22 PMI agree. With at least 8-10 games played every day for 6 months, it's apples/oranges to try to compare to the one game per week the NFL teams play.
Even the NBA and NHL play just a little over half as many game as baseball. Is there any sport that come close to playing 162 games every season?
Raleigh ran his hitless streak to 0-for-38 Tuesday before lining a single to right. He then followed with a hard hit to left in his next at-bat.
The previous night, after another 0-for-4 game, Raleigh showered while wearing his full uniform.
Teammate Logan Gilbert, he said, "gave me some good advice to wash off the bad mojo or juju from the baseball gods. So yeah, it worked. He was right, so I gotta give him credit where credit's due."
The white Sox *redacted* another thriller and have now *redacted* as many games so far this year vs KC as all last year.
Still quite the *redacted* season so far!
Point is still mad Miz got an All Star nod and doesn't see the excitement with him.
I am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
Quote from: Dish on May 13, 2026, 09:56:02 PMI am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
Cannot be excited about an AL team, sorry.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2026, 09:59:09 PMCannot be excited about an AL team, sorry.
You're right, probably needs its own underground forum.
Quote from: Dish on May 13, 2026, 09:56:02 PMI am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
I'm sure this will bite me in the ass but........ Go Go White Sox! ;D
Raleigh on the IL with an oblique strain.
Quote from: Dish on May 13, 2026, 09:56:02 PMI am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
Really think PCA could have had that one if he jumped. Probably gun shy after his narrow misses against the Brewers
Southside.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 17, 2026, 04:37:40 PMReally think PCA could have had that one if he jumped. Probably gun shy after his narrow misses against the Brewers
What are you referring to? Give me the rundown
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on May 17, 2026, 04:55:03 PMSouthside.
Sox 2 games over .500 and the A's in first place. Hell must be frozen over.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 17, 2026, 06:07:20 PMSox 2 games over .500 and the A's in fist place. Hell must be frozen over.
The A's are in JB's pickleball after party?
What? I love the Miz and always have. Made fun of the people who were mad he was an All-Star.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2026, 08:44:13 PMPoint is still mad Miz got an All Star nod and doesn't see the excitement with him.
Quote from: PointWarrior on May 18, 2026, 08:30:54 PMWhat? I love the Miz and always have. Made fun of the people who were mad he was an All-Star.
Sorry. Thought you were the poster who continuously went on about how dumb it was to have Miz in the All Star game. Must be confusing you for a different poster.
5-straight starts for the Miz without giving up an XBH and 8+ K's. Hasn't allowed a run in 4 straight starts. Throwing bb's at the moment.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 17, 2026, 06:50:46 PMThe A's are in JB's pickleball after party?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/44669935/mlb-2025-pickleball-obsession-baseball-competitions-tournaments-rankings
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 20, 2026, 08:17:02 AMhttps://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/44669935/mlb-2025-pickleball-obsession-baseball-competitions-tournaments-rankings
Yeah, athletes play pickleball to relax.
Gold glover PCA having quite the week
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 20, 2026, 07:13:29 PMGold glover PCA having quite the week
He didn't exactly hustle after the ball once it got past him.
That Sox fan broke PCA.
Now Edwin Cabrera's season is over. I'm going to end up pitching for the Cubs by August.
Quote from: Dish on May 20, 2026, 07:27:20 PMThat Sox fan broke PCA.
Nah. I've seen him make several bad plays this season already, and I don't even watch that many Cubs games.
That's on top of him not hitting for nearly a year now - so bad that he's been dropped to 9th in the order.
He's obviously young enough to still have a great career (if he ever becomes consistently good enough), but right now he's an overrated ballplayer. And apparently a douchenozzle, too.
Quote from: Dish on May 20, 2026, 07:27:20 PMThat Sox fan broke PCA.
Eh, he's been trash since last August.
But he's by far my favorite Cub ever.
And for the love of god would you people show him some respect. It's MVPete.
How high did PCA jump to stop the ground ball HR?
The defense will come around. He's a great outfield. Never bought he could hit though, just had one long hot streak.
So much for the Cubs dominating the league.
The Milwaukee Brewers are so fun.
Just total domination of this Division for years. The NL Central is loaded this year though. Seems like a Division that will come down to the final week.
Aaron Judge last 10 games:
0 HR, 0 RBI, 13 K, .184 average.
Tough game, baseball. It happens even to the best sometimes.
Dodgers rollin into Milwaukee having won 7 out of their last 8. Brewers playing good ball, too. Should be a great weekend series.
Tigers last 18 games:
2-16
Woof.
Quote from: tower912 on April 30, 2026, 05:56:33 AMThe Tigers are a hot mess right now.
I knew there were problems 4 weeks ago.
Since then, endless injuries, <.200 team batting average, <3 runs per game. Several games unable to protect 2-1 or 3-2 leads late.
If you don't hit, you don't win.
Start hitting, get healthy. And hope the hole they have dug themselves isn't too deep.
RIP Charlie Moore, dead from the polio vaccine
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 25, 2026, 06:46:39 AMRIP Charlie Moore, dead from the polio vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4sUPspVhig
Underrated member of the 1982 Brewers, one of the most fun teams to watch of all time.
From The Athletic:
The Brewers lead the National League Central. The Rays lead the American League East. The Guardians lead the AL Central. The Athletics, who play in West Sacramento, lead the AL West.
Their payroll rankings, according to Spotrac: 20th (Brewers), 21st (Athletics), 28th (Guardians), 29th (Rays).
Oh, and the Marlins, who rank 30th, just swept a weekend series from the Mets, who rank second. The last-place Mets are one of four teams among the top six in payroll below .500, with the Phillies, Blue Jays and Red Sox.
The biggest spenders in the AL Central, the Tigers, are in last place at 21-33, and the biggest spenders in the AL West, the Astros, are 23-31.
Nobody claims that payroll is meaningless. ... Top-tier payrolls are the ones that win the World Series. But one of these years, it stands to reason that a surprise team will break through and go all the way. That's just the nature of baseball.
Quote from: MU82 on May 25, 2026, 12:16:45 PMFrom The Athletic:
The Brewers lead the National League Central. The Rays lead the American League East. The Guardians lead the AL Central. The Athletics, who play in West Sacramento, lead the AL West.
Their payroll rankings, according to Spotrac: 20th (Brewers), 21st (Athletics), 28th (Guardians), 29th (Rays).
Oh, and the Marlins, who rank 30th, just swept a weekend series from the Mets, who rank second. The last-place Mets are one of four teams among the top six in payroll below .500, with the Phillies, Blue Jays and Red Sox.
The biggest spenders in the AL Central, the Tigers, are in last place at 21-33, and the biggest spenders in the AL West, the Astros, are 23-31.
Nobody claims that payroll is meaningless. ... Top-tier payrolls are the ones that win the World Series. But one of these years, it stands to reason that a surprise team will break through and go all the way. That's just the nature of baseball.
And none of them will be competitive with the Dodgers come October/November.
Wow Wander Franco skating by without penalty. What is he, a dentist from West Bend?
The Mariners, who have 6 viable starting pitchers, have been experimenting with "piggybacking" - using Bryce Miller or Luis Castillo to go 4-5 innings and then bringing in the other to (ideally) pitch the rest of the game.
A week ago, it went well until it didn't. Miller pitched 5+ shutout innings and was still dealing, so he was pizzed when he was taken out. Castillo did great for 2+ innings but, rather than bring in closer Andres Munoz to start the ninth in a 1-0 game, manager Dan Wilson stayed with Castillo, who promptly let the first two batters reach. Wilson then brought in Munoz, who gave up two soft singles that barely got through the infield, and the Mariners lost.
It went better yesterday, thanks in great part to Seattle scoring 7 early runs. This time, Castillo started and pitched 4 shutout innings, and then Miller worked the final 5. Still, Castillo is quite upset about the whole thing.
Seems unsustainable. I'm hoping that Castillo, who had a horrific first month but is now pitching better, keeps going well enough to attract trade offers from pitching-starved teams.
All 6 starters are right-handed, and the Mariners have one of baseball's top lefty prospects (Kade Anderson), who is killing it in the minors.
Wouldn't mind seeing Logan Gilbert dealt before he hits free agency, too. He's not a $25M pitcher IMHO, but he'd probably get at least that on the open market.
Why do Craig's teams seem to suck at hitting despite the roster talent
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 26, 2026, 08:04:07 PMWhy do Craig's teams seem to suck at hitting despite the roster talent
Beginning to wonder how many WS he cost the Brewers
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 26, 2026, 08:04:07 PMWhy do Craig's teams seem to suck at hitting despite the roster talent
Taking the identity of their manager.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 26, 2026, 08:40:57 PMBeginning to wonder how many WS he cost the Brewers
I think Yelich busting his knee cap in a freak accident hurt our chances more than Counsell. I feel he lost a year or two of his prime.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 26, 2026, 09:25:44 PMI think Yelich busting his knee cap in a freak accident hurt our chances more than Counsell. I feel he lost a year or two of his prime.
I was kidding but yes.
If the playoffs started today, the 27-28 Athletics would host the 27-28 Twins in the first round while the 29-25 Reds, 29-26 Pirates, 29-26 Cubs, 29-27 Nationals, and 28-27 Phillies watched them on TV.
Baseball is the best sometimes.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 26, 2026, 11:45:29 PMIf the playoffs started today, the 27-28 Athletics would host the 27-28 Twins in the first round while the 29-25 Reds, 29-26 Pirates, 29-26 Cubs, 29-27 Nationals, and 28-27 Phillies watched them on TV.
Baseball is the best sometimes.
Those teams have all been mediocre, and they're all within a couple games of each other - the "best" (Reds) have a 2.5-game lead on the "worst" (A's and Twins). The standings have quirks at the 1/3 mark of lots of seasons. And the playoffs don't start today.
Not sure I've ever seen this streaky of a team:
- Win 10 in a row
- Lose 3 in a row
- Win 10 in a row
- Lose 4 in a row
- Win 2 in a row
- Lose 10 in a row
Overall that comes to 22-17 (.564) which would be a 91 win season extended out.
Funny thing is with injuries, they've already used 26 pitchers, however, the pitching has been fine for the most part.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 08:18:11 AMThose teams have all been mediocre, and they're all within a couple games of each other - the "best" (Reds) have a 2.5-game lead on the "worst" (A's and Twins). The standings have quirks at the 1/3 mark of lots of seasons. And the playoffs don't start today.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious ;)
I expect 1/3 season quirks. I'm not sure I've ever seen a division having more teams above .500 than an entire league this deep into the season before.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 27, 2026, 10:18:10 AMThank you for pointing out the obvious ;)
I expect 1/3 season quirks. I'm not sure I've ever seen a division having more teams above .500 than an entire league this deep into the season before.
I'm just saying, don't read too much into what the standings say on May 27. Or do, if that floats your boat.
Things can get flipped pretty fast this time of year. Less than 3 weeks ago, the Cubs had the best record in baseball and a 5 1/2 game lead over the Brewers.
Seeing as how Counsel has been unable to move the needle at all in Chicago (and will almost certainly be fired if the last place Cubbies miss the Playoffs), is there a discussion to be had over his success in Milwaukee and whether Murph had as much or more influence on it?
Clearly there is a hierarchy of managers in MLB. Mitch, Cash, and Vogt are clearly on top.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AMSeeing as how Counsel has been unable to move the needle at all in Chicago
Wrong.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AM(and will almost certainly be fired if the last place Cubbies miss the Playoffs)
Wrong.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AMis there a discussion to be had over his success in Milwaukee and whether Murph had as much or more influence on it?
Yes.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2026, 11:54:08 AMWrong.
Wrong.
Yes.
I think Counsell will get the ax if the Cubs miss the playoffs.
Murphy isn't some tactical baseball genius but he is pretty good at handling the team on a day-to-day basis and understanding the roster makeup. He has in game and pitcher management issues. He makes up for it with keeping the team focused and loose.
Counsell's last year in Milwaukee was the opposite of that but he had some guys on that team that I'm not sure the manager would have made that much of a difference. Burnes was pouty all year, heck, even going back to '22 and Winker was a problem when around. He didn't handle the young guys all that well that year, either. Prior to that, his clubhouses/culture were quite good.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 12:13:19 PMI think Counsell will get the ax if the Cubs miss the playoffs.
Ricketts won't eat that money. He could easily, but he won't.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2026, 12:17:37 PMRicketts won't eat that money. He could easily, but he won't.
He will make Craig bartend at the newest bachelorette party bar in wrigley in his ongoing attempts to make that neighborhood into bad Nashville
I think early on, Counsell was a pretty innovative manager. He used Hader really well until Hader only wanted to pitch the ninth.
Craigtember was always fun, but then MLB limited roster sizes. I also think we utilized the shifts more than most until they were banned.
I think a big part of the Brewers success is their pitching lab. They have been able to get some under the radar pitchers to turn into very effective starters.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 27, 2026, 12:38:36 PMI think early on, Counsell was a pretty innovative manager. He used Hader really well until Hader only wanted to pitch the ninth.
Craigtember was always fun, but then MLB limited roster sizes. I also think we utilized the shifts more than most until they were banned.
I think a big part of the Brewers success is their pitching lab. They have been able to get some under the radar pitchers to turn into very effective starters.
Agree on all of this. And as long as they keep fleecing teams in trades, they Wii continue to be successful. If they had traded Durbin, Monestereo, and Siegler for Shane Droghan, it would would have been a win. To convince the Red Sox to throw in a top 5 pitcher in the league was a coup.
Craig isn't getting fired this year regardless. He had a ten win improvement from Years 1 to 2, and TT is right...Rickett's isn't eating that contract even if this one year is a disappointment. This was never meant to be a quick fix.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 27, 2026, 02:22:29 PMCraig isn't getting fired this year regardless. He had a ten win improvement from Years 1 to 2, and TT is right...Rickett's isn't eating that contract even if this one year is a disappointment. This was never meant to be a quick fix.
Every year, teams win/lose 10 more games than they did the previous year - even with very pedestrian managers. Right now the Cubs are in last place. If they finish there - I don't think they will - CC is gone. Even if Mil. Ana StL finish ahead of the with their tiny payrolls, he may be gone.
DEVIL MAGICK AND CROTCH CHOPS SEND AWAY ANGRY BIRDS
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 03:21:20 PMDEVIL MAGICK AND CROTCH CHOPS SEND AWAY ANGRY BIRDS
Cards were right to be upset. Stan Musial never did crotch chops.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 02:40:59 PMEvery year, teams win/lose 10 more games than they did the previous year - even with very pedestrian managers. Right now the Cubs are in last place. If they finish there - I don't think they will - CC is gone. Even if Mil. Ana StL finish ahead of the with their tiny payrolls, he may be gone.
No shot.
I've been saying for a couple years now that it feels like somehow the Brewers have stolen all of the Cardinals devil magic
Quote from: The Sultan on May 27, 2026, 03:23:12 PMCards were right to be upset. Stan Musial never did crotch chops.
He never served on the front line either
Crotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 27, 2026, 05:30:53 PMCrotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
There's way TOO much god in baseball as is
Quote from: BM1090 on May 27, 2026, 03:40:30 PMI've been saying for a couple years now that it feels like somehow the Brewers have stolen all of the Cardinals devil magic
Yadi's juju has worn off?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 05:53:58 PMThere's way TOO much god in baseball society as is
FIFY
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 06:30:15 PMYadi's juju has worn off?
I can't imagine the sticky tack on the chest pad is still as effective
It's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 09:27:56 PMIt's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.
MVPete is good but I'm not sure I'd crown him yet.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 11:04:38 AMI'm just saying, don't read too much into what the standings say on May 27. Or do, if that floats your boat.
Things can get flipped pretty fast this time of year. Less than 3 weeks ago, the Cubs had the best record in baseball and a 5 1/2 game lead over the Brewers.
Not reading into anything. I'm just amused by how wacky baseball can be.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 09:27:56 PMIt's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.
Yadi?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 27, 2026, 05:30:53 PMCrotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
found Lucroy's burner.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on May 28, 2026, 08:56:24 AMfound Lucroy's burner.
base stealers didn't have that problem usually
Owners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included. Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 03:23:42 PMOwners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included. Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Seems like a legit opening proposal in line with other pro leagues. Maybe MLB can avoid a strike/lock-out. Maybe?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 03:23:42 PMOwners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included. Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Not bad!
Currently six teams above that cap:
1) Mets $334
2) Dodgers $301
3) Yankees $291
4) Blue Jays $283
5) Phillies $281
6) Braves $267
And 15 teams below that floor. Several well below that floor.
Seems like that players would come out ahead in this scenario.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 28, 2026, 03:57:31 PMNot bad!
Currently six teams above that cap:
1) Mets $334
2) Dodgers $301
3) Yankees $291
4) Blue Jays $283
5) Phillies $281
6) Braves $267
And 15 teams below that floor. Several well below that floor.
Seems like that players would come out ahead in this scenario.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll
I think the biggest winners will be fans due to competitive balance. Overall MLB players have received about 50% of the revenue without a floor.
I think, real or perceived, competitive balance could drive better fan engagement that the NFL figured out a long time ago and that has enriched the owners and players.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Brewers/comments/1tqcb6e/vindicated/
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 04:06:51 PMI think the biggest winners will be fans due to competitive balance. Overall MLB players have received about 50% of the revenue without a floor.
I think, real or perceived, competitive balance could drive better fan engagement that the NFL figured out a long time ago and that has enriched the owners and players.
No chance the cap ceiling is accepted. Zero
Owners want the players to save them from themselves.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 04:19:18 PMNo chance the cap ceiling is accepted. Zero
1000% correct.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 04:19:18 PMNo chance the cap ceiling is accepted. Zero
They are trying to win the PR game when they lock out the players in six months.
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 04:53:10 PMOwners want the players to save them from themselves.
That statement doesn't hold up to the facts.
The proposal mirrors the NFL, NBA and NHL plus they have been getting 50% of revenue without a floor and cap. Unless you are predicting a historically unprecedented spending spree, your statement is untrue.
It would appear to me that a more owners will be upset with the proposal than players.
Players have already said it's a non starter. It's all jockeying for position at this point.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 07:48:54 PMPlayers have already said it's a non starter. It's all jockeying for position at this point.
I am not predicting that the players will accept the proposal. But it is hard to argue that it is not fair in light of the current revenue sharing and what other leagues have in place.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 07:59:54 PMI am not predicting that the players will accept the proposal. But it is hard to argue that it is not fair in light of the current revenue sharing and what other leagues have in place.
Why should the players care about other leagues?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 08:16:29 PMWhy should the players care about other leagues?
No one will fight harder to protect owners than White Trash
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 08:25:45 PMNo one will fight harder to protect owners than White Trash
In his defense, fighting for the interests of billionaires is a worthy cause.
The irony is thick with a floor proposal being significantly over what Jerry's payroll is
Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 08:43:33 PMIn his defense, fighting for the interests of billionaires is a worthy cause.
Current revenue split = 50%
Proposed revenue split = 50%
The players are happy with the current system and the proposed system does what to the players' cut of the revenue?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 09:12:12 PMCurrent revenue split = 50%
Proposed revenue split = 50%
The players are happy with the current system and the proposed system does what to the players' cut of the revenue?
Are there changes to what gets included in revenue? That's part of the game
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 28, 2026, 10:39:34 PMAre there changes to what gets included in revenue? That's part of the game
I have no idea, and I wouldn't put it past the owner to try a sneaky move.
I'm assuming everything is on the up and up. If so, the overall concept seems fair and a real attempt to avoid a stoppage.
However the group of 1%'ers split it up is their business, but I like the concept of creating more balance without costing the players money.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 07:43:50 PMThat statement doesn't hold up to the facts.
The proposal mirrors the NFL, NBA and NHL plus they have been getting 50% of revenue without a floor and cap. Unless you are predicting a historically unprecedented spending spree, your statement is untrue.
It would appear to me that a more owners will be upset with the proposal than players.
Players won't accept a salary cap. What don't you get?
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 11:10:22 PMPlayers won't accept a salary cap. What don't you get?
My friend, you are not reading my posts.
It is okay, I'm used to my wife and kids not listening to me also. :D
From Yahoo Sports:
A couple accidentally showed up to a Diamondbacks-Giants game earlier this month with tickets to the following night's game. So they bought two tickets to the game they showed up for and ended up catching Willy Adames' home run ball. Then they came back the next night with their original tickets ... and caught another Adames home run ball!
As further evidence that I believe the owners are negotiating in good faith; from Jeff Passan of ESPY "12 lower-spending teams would add $617 million to reach the floor while eight higher-spending teams would cut $578 million to get under the cap "
The union may be justified to pass on the offer, but it appears to be a legitimate proposal from the owners.
From The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 10:52:47 AMFrom The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
I was going to make a crack about sports leagues doing stuff to enhance the fan experience but baseball might be the one league that has done that recently but the point stands. They're definitely NOT lowering prices but wages are definitely negotiable.
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 10:52:47 AMFrom The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
News flash, that's how business works and has forever. Both sides are advancing they're own best interests. Companies/unions, vendors/customers, etc.
"fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." The owners are trying to give the fans more reasons to buy tickets and watch games ........ so they can make more money (which incidentally guarantees the players make more money under the floor/cap system).
The union has and will continue to negotiate hard in these deals as they should. I just hope we don't end up with a work stoppage, but just because I think the owners are acting in good faith doesn't mean the union will be responsible for a stoppage. There are always devils in the details that the union (or even the owners) must fight.
edit- Just because the owners' offer is a good offer, it may not be the best offer.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 29, 2026, 11:21:10 AMThe owners are trying to give the fans more reasons to buy tickets and watch games ........
A bunch of them clearly have no interest in doing that.
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 10:52:47 AMFrom The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
I don't believe for a second that the owners are doing this altruistically. But I also don't really care what their motivations are. I think the right salary cap and floor will make the game better and can be done in a way that is still fair for the players. That's all that matters to me.
I'm also willing to go through a lockout if the end result is a well thought out salary cap/floor. I think there are probably more fans like me than Mr. Rosenthal would like to admit.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 12:59:52 PMA bunch of them clearly have no interest in doing that.
I'm sure. I'd be shocked if J.R. voted for the offer. But in the context of this issue, enough of them have voted for the offer put in front of the players, and that is all that matters.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 12:59:52 PMA bunch of them clearly have no interest in doing that.
You telling me Pirates ownership doesn't care about the fan?
The problem is that fans think they know what is best for the game. But this is NOT about that. It is about investors.
There's this from The Athletic:
Franchise values — as measured in billions of dollars — might soon determine whether Major League Baseball has a season in 2027.
Over today and tomorrow, players and owners are expected to make their opening economic proposals in negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement. The owners are going to push for a salary cap and floor, a system players don't want, and the ensuing labor fight could eventually lead to canceled games.
Why, at a time when MLB has otherwise built positive momentum, would the league pursue such an acrimonious change, and risk alienating fans with a work stoppage? Many issues are at play, but none supersede the long game owners are playing. Their mission is to maximize the worth of their teams.
Baseball has always been a business, yes — but not like this. Private equity has flowed into the sport for the better part of a decade, and someday, those investors will want a return. And even though every team continues to grow in value, many owners believe that their clubs should command still-higher prices.
Again, I don't care what the owners motivations are. I'm well aware they are trying to maximize their own wealth.
The only question that matters to me (and I think for many fans) is "will a well thought out salary cap and floor be good for the game?" I think the answer is yes.
I love hearing contrary opinions and arguments about why the answer is no. That might sway me. Repeatedly bringing up that the owners are trying to make more money? That's just noise.
Quote from: Jockey on May 29, 2026, 01:42:27 PMThe problem is that fans think they know what is best for the game. But this is NOT about that. It is about investors.
There's this from The Athletic:
Franchise values — as measured in billions of dollars — might soon determine whether Major League Baseball has a season in 2027.
Over today and tomorrow, players and owners are expected to make their opening economic proposals in negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement. The owners are going to push for a salary cap and floor, a system players don't want, and the ensuing labor fight could eventually lead to canceled games.
Why, at a time when MLB has otherwise built positive momentum, would the league pursue such an acrimonious change, and risk alienating fans with a work stoppage? Many issues are at play, but none supersede the long game owners are playing. Their mission is to maximize the worth of their teams.
Baseball has always been a business, yes — but not like this. Private equity has flowed into the sport for the better part of a decade, and someday, those investors will want a return. And even though every team continues to grow in value, many owners believe that their clubs should command still-higher prices.
I've seen private equity be more reasonable and patient than public equity. Ownership of closely held businesses run the spectrum of return expectations. Again, just my experience.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2026, 01:14:12 PMI think there are probably more fans like me than Mr. Rosenthal would like to admit.
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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2026, 02:08:27 PMAgain, I don't care what the owners motivations are. I'm well aware they are trying to maximize their own wealth.
The only question that matters to me (and I think for many fans) is "will a well thought out salary cap and floor be good for the game?" I think the answer is yes.
I love hearing contrary opinions and arguments about why the answer is no. That might sway me. Repeatedly bringing up that the owners are trying to make more money? That's just noise.
I think a more equitable share of revenue between the owners would help as much...if not more. I think the basic problem is that MLB can't fix their revenue problem, so it is asking the players do it for them.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2026, 02:08:27 PMAgain, I don't care what the owners motivations are. I'm well aware they are trying to maximize their own wealth.
The only question that matters to me (and I think for many fans) is "will a well thought out salary cap and floor be good for the game?" I think the answer is yes.
I love hearing contrary opinions and arguments about why the answer is no. That might sway me. Repeatedly bringing up that the owners are trying to make more money? That's just noise.
I get what you're saying in both of your posts, but it's not about swaying you or anyone else.
The players simply aren't gonna accept a salary cap IMHO. They will let ballparks go dark for multiple seasons rather than accept a salary cap. The owners will cave first.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 02:57:12 PMI think a more equitable share of revenue between the owners would help as much...if not more. I think the basic problem is that MLB can't fix their revenue problem, so it is asking the players do it for them.
Agree with you, but all the owners' baseball income is not considered revenue to be shared with the players.
Quote from: Jockey on May 29, 2026, 04:41:29 PMAgree with you, but all the owners' baseball income is not considered revenue to be shared with the players.
How are players paid?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 05:04:20 PMWith what money?
There are 7 income streams that comprise the revenue that is used to pay players.
From local TV revenue and national TV revenue all the way down to concessions & parking and post season revenue.
Do you also want a list of banks where player's salaries are deposited?
A one game suspension for a reliever doesn't matter, but it is funny that MVPete yelled "you can suck my effing d!ck?l, biotch!" at a female fan and didn't get suspended while Uribe gets suspended for doing the crotch chop at the Cardinals bench.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 29, 2026, 05:23:01 PMA one game suspension for a reliever doesn't matter, but it is funny that MVPete yelled "you can suck my effing d!ck?l, biotch!" at a female fan and didn't get suspended while Uribe gets suspended for doing the crotch chop at the Cardinals bench.
They should write a quirky article in the players tribune next time
Quote from: wadesworld on May 29, 2026, 05:23:01 PMA one game suspension for a reliever doesn't matter, but it is funny that MVPete yelled "you can suck my effing d!ck?l, biotch!" at a female fan and didn't get suspended while Uribe gets suspended for doing the crotch chop at the Cardinals bench.
MLB hurt the Cubs by not suspending PCA, tbf
I don't know what the rest of this season holds, but what a White Sox season so far.
Southside. Shoutout to 18thandwells. Hope he's doing okay.
I thought it would happen in the 9th. Detroit has spent the last month not hitting and then having previously effective relief pitchers give up leads late. SSDD.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 29, 2026, 05:46:23 PMMLB hurt the Cubs by not suspending PCA, tbf
Manfred made Craig promote him to lead off
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 04:29:45 PMI get what you're saying in both of your posts, but it's not about swaying you or anyone else.
The players simply aren't gonna accept a salary cap IMHO. They will let ballparks go dark for multiple seasons rather than accept a salary cap. The owners will cave first.
If it's not about swaying people, stays the point of bringing it up constantly during every conversation about the merits of a salary cap? (Not saying you are but the owners doing this for money seems to be the central pillar of every anti salary cap article Ive seen)
As for your second paragraph, that's a real meaningful argument against the idea. I'm not sure I agree though. Guess we will see.
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 04:29:45 PMI get what you're saying in both of your posts, but it's not about swaying you or anyone else.
The players simply aren't gonna accept a salary cap IMHO. They will let ballparks go dark for multiple seasons rather than accept a salary cap. The owners will cave first.
A salary cap harms those at the very top end. A cap combined with a floor is a better deal than losing multiple seasons during their prime earning years for most of the players.
Edit to add that if the owners were willing to give up a year or two of control in return for a cap/floor, that also benefits the middle class.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 30, 2026, 03:58:02 PMA salary cap harms those at the very top end. A cap combined with a floor is a better deal than losing multiple seasons during their prime earning years for most of the players.
Edit to add that if the owners were willing to give up a year or two of control in return for a cap/floor, that also benefits the middle class.
I just don't see the players giving in to a salary cap, regardless of how the owners try to sweeten it. But as TAMU said, we'll see.
I don't know that the players would never accept a cap under any circumstances. But I can't see any way they accept a cap that requires teams to reduce payroll, some by 20% or more.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 30, 2026, 08:10:20 PMI don't know that the players would never accept a cap under any circumstances. But I can't see any way they accept a cap that requires teams to reduce payroll, some by 20% or more.
The deal gives more money to the players.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:31:33 AMThe deal gives more money to the players.
So would the MLBPA proposal. And it doesn't matter. The players won't accept a deal that forces teams to significantly reduce payroll next year.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 07:23:02 AMSo would the MLBPA proposal. And it doesn't matter. The players won't accept a deal that forces teams to significantly reduce payroll next year
Then it would appear that they will end up extending the current deal. The players get the exclusion of the hard cap and the owners will save money.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:26:20 AMThen it would appear that they will end up extending the current deal. The players get the exclusion of the hard cap and the owners will save money.
The players would gladly accept a renewal of status quo. The owners absolutely will not - or at least that's what they've been suggesting. They seem willing to blow up next season in pursuit of a plan to save them from themselves.
Quote from: MU82 on May 31, 2026, 11:42:31 AMThe players would gladly accept a renewal of status quo. The owners absolutely will not - or at least that's what they've been suggesting. They seem willing to blow up next season in pursuit of a plan to save them from themselves.
Honest question. With a guarantee of higher payroll expenses, how are the players saving the owners from themselves?
I feel like I'm missing part of the equation. The owners have been disciplined in spending for a long time. Clearly their offer is not cost cutting.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:26:20 AMThen it would appear that they will end up extending the current deal. The players get the exclusion of the hard cap and the owners will save money.
"The owners will save money without a salary cap" is the wildest take yet.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 12:49:18 PM"The owners will save money without a salary cap" is the wildest take yet.
DO NOT take my word for it. Go read any article on this.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:54:27 PMDO NOT take my word for it. Go read any article on this.
You're making assumptions.
You're also ignoring calculations of player benefits and the addition of an escrow system (ask NBA players how that can turn out).
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 01:21:31 PMYou're making assumptions.
You're also ignoring calculations of player benefits and the addition of an escrow system (ask NBA players how that can turn out).
I'm not here to negotiate the CBA. My only interest is avoiding a work stoppage. IMO, the owners' opening offer was fair and something the MLBPA possibly can negotiate to acceptable terms. And as a fan, if salary floors/caps don't contribute to completive balance, then IMO leave everything the same. MLB has already fallen to 3rd in revenue and I don't think the CBA is going to help them catch the NBA much less NFL.
Detroit was 18-17. 4-21 since.
Quote from: tower912 on May 31, 2026, 03:50:36 PMDetroit was 18-17. 4-21 since.
Brutal. It's the offense, right?
Offense. Not hitting for average or power. Relief pitching.
With all of the injuries, you root for the rest to adopt the next man up mentality. Sadly, the next man up also strikes out.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:10:53 PMHonest question. With a guarantee of higher payroll expenses, how are the players saving the owners from themselves?
I feel like I'm missing part of the equation. The owners have been disciplined in spending for a long time. Clearly their offer is not cost cutting.
There are a half-dozen(ish) owners willing and able to spend huge, primarily because their local broadcast deals give them tons more money than the others have (though they enjoy other advantages, too).
The owners who are unwilling and/or unable to spend like that definitely do not think the Richie Riches "have been disciplined." They see the contracts given to the likes of Tucker and Soto and Guerrero as extremely UNdisciplined, and horrible for the game.
The Relatively Poors also haven't been able to convince the Riches to share their riches. So they insist they need the players to save them in the form of a salary cap. They also want a cap because they are convinced it would drive up the value of MLB franchises (and they're probably right about that).
Anyhoo, my man, this conversation is fun ... but for the umpteenth tine, a salary cap ain't happening.
Quote from: MU82 on May 31, 2026, 06:02:54 PMAnyhoo, my man, this conversation is fun ... but for the umpteenth tine, a salary cap ain't happening.
Then I hope the owners drop the request and keep playing. They can plow their savings into AI stock and everyone can be happy.
Miz is clearly the NL Pitcher of the month. IMO, he has almost no chance to win.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:10:53 PMThe owners have been disciplined in spending for a long time. Clearly their offer is not cost cutting.
That is your craziest take yet. The owners lack of discipline is why they want a cap.
Quote from: Jockey on May 31, 2026, 08:04:28 PMThat is your craziest take yet. The owners lack of discipline is why they want a cap.
Owners want a hard cap because it:
1. Artificially depresses wages.
2. Greatly reduces their financial exposure (Down year for revenues? Just take some of the players' money from escrow).
3. Provides cost certainty, which enhances franchise values.
4. Provides the illusion of competitive balance.
67. Actually creates competitive balance.
Quote from: Jockey on May 31, 2026, 08:04:28 PMThat is your craziest take yet. The owners lack of discipline is why they want a cap.
Then why are they offering a raise? There is zero proof for your crazy take. MLB payrolls are right in line with the NFL and NBA without a cap.
I'm talking about MLB as a whole, so spare me your Dodgers and Mets examples. The CBA covers all teams and players.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 08:37:35 PMOwners want a hard cap because it:
1. Artificially depresses wages.
2. Greatly reduces their financial exposure (Down year for revenues? Just take some of the players' money from escrow).
3. Provides cost certainty, which enhances franchise values.
4. Provides the illusion of competitive balance.
67. Actually creates competitive balance.
The idiot NFL and NBA players along with their flunky attorneys fell for it.
Why the NFLPA doesn't hire Scoopers to negotiate is a mystery. Oh, wait, I know, they're dumb jocks.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 08:39:52 PMThen why are they offering a raise? There is zero proof for your crazy take. MLB payrolls are right in line with the NFL and NBA without a cap.
MLB payrolls are right in line with NFL and NBA, whose annual revenues are, respectively, $9 billion and $2 billion higher?
Huh.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 09:12:40 PMMLB payrolls are right in line with NFL and NBA, whose annual revenues are, respectively, $9 billion and $2 billion higher?
Huh.
By percent of revenue, yes they are.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:06:27 PMThe idiot NFL and NBA players along with their flunky attorneys fell for it.
Why the NFLPA doesn't hire Scoopers to negotiate is a mystery. Oh, wait, I know, they're dumb jocks.
The NFLPA was infamously poorly run and its leadership was famously clubby with ownership. And the players themselves lacked the resolve to hold out long enough. They actually accepted (and still play by a system) in which contracts aren't even guaranteed for the vast majority of players. Had the NFLPA been run by the MLBPA's leaders, the players would be much better off.
The NBA was in serious financial distress, with more than half the teams losing money. Unlike MLB, the NBA needed a salary cap to survive.
So you're comparing apples, kumquats and trombones.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:06:27 PMThe idiot NFL and NBA players along with their flunky attorneys fell for it.
Well, yeah, they did.
NFLPA has always been weak. I mean, it's 2026 and they still don't have fully guaranteed contracts ... 40 years after MLB contracts became guaranteed. NFL players didn't get free agency until 1993, more than 20 years after the Curt Flood case. And even now, thanks to franchise and transition tags, they still don't have full free agency.
The 1982 strike ended with players returning without having any of their demands met.
The 1987 strike ended after about 250 players crossed the picket line to play alongside scabs.
As for the NBA players, how'd they feel about the league clawing back $500 million in their salaries last year?
QuoteWhy the NFLPA doesn't hire Scoopers to negotiate is a mystery. Oh, wait, I know, they're dumb jocks.
They probably couldn't do worse, tbh.
A question for you ... what evidence can you point to that shows MLB would have substantially more competitive balance with a hard cap?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 27, 2026, 10:22:30 PMNot reading into anything. I'm just amused by how wacky baseball can be.
This past Monday, the Mariners were 2.5 games out of first place. They now have a 2.5-game lead.
Amazing what a 6-game winning streak can do for a team in a lousy division!
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 09:23:19 PMWell, yeah, they did.
NFLPA has always been weak. I mean, it's 2026 and they still don't have fully guaranteed contracts ... 40 years after MLB contracts became guaranteed. NFL players didn't get free agency until 1993, more than 20 years after the Curt Flood case. And even now, thanks to franchise and transition tags, they still don't have full free agency.
The 1982 strike ended with players returning without having any of their demands met.
The 1987 strike ended after about 250 players crossed the picket line to play alongside scabs.
As for the NBA players, how'd they feel about the league clawing back $500 million in their salaries last year?
They probably couldn't do worse, tbh.
A question for you ... what evidence can you point to that shows MLB would have substantially more competitive balance with a hard cap?
In a previous post I said I don't care if there is a cap if it doesn't create competitive balance. I said if the players will never accept any cap then the owners should keep their money and move on without a cap.
I can see the logic behind a cap creating more balance, but I don't know it to be true.
Quote from: MU82 on May 31, 2026, 09:33:17 PMThis past Monday, the Mariners were 2.5 games out of first place. They now have a 2.5-game lead.
Amazing what a 6-game winning streak can do for a team in a lousy division!
Again, i think you think i was making a comment on something I wasn't. I was simply amused by the standings at the time. It really went no deeper than that.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 09:23:19 PMA question for you ... what evidence can you point to that shows MLB would have substantially more competitive balance with a hard cap?
...common sense?
What evidence can you point to that shows that it wouldn't?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 31, 2026, 09:56:23 PM...common sense?
What evidence can you point to that shows that it wouldn't?
Actual results?
Over the past 20 seasons:
21 different teams have appeared in the World Series.
15 different teams have appeared in the NBA Finals.
19 different teams have appeared in the Super Bowl.
23 different teams have appeared in the Stanley Cup Final.
Common sense notwithstanding, the lack of a cap hasn't made it less likely for MLB teams to reach their league's final series than teams in capped leagues. In fact, the first league with a cap, the NBA, has proven to be the least competitively balanced.
But what about different champions, you ask?
MLB - 13
NBA - 11 or 12, depending on this year
NFL - 13
NHL - 13 or 14, depending on this year
Again, no real difference.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 10:15:04 PMActual results?
Over the past 20 seasons:
21 different teams have appeared in the World Series.
15 different teams have appeared in the NBA Finals.
19 different teams have appeared in the Super Bowl.
23 different teams have appeared in the Stanley Cup Final.
Common sense notwithstanding, the lack of a cap hasn't made it less likely for MLB teams to reach their league's final series than teams in capped leagues. In fact, the first league with a cap, the NBA, has proven to be the least competitively balanced.
But what about different champions, you ask?
MLB - 13
NBA - 11 or 12, depending on this year
NFL - 13
NHL - 13 or 14, depending on this year
Again, no real difference.
Awfully compelling data against the cap = competitive balance argument.
Awfully compelling data against paying top dollars for talent.
The players better hope the owners don't get more disciplined in spending.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 10:15:04 PMActual results?
Over the past 20 seasons:
21 different teams have appeared in the World Series.
15 different teams have appeared in the NBA Finals.
19 different teams have appeared in the Super Bowl.
23 different teams have appeared in the Stanley Cup Final.
Common sense notwithstanding, the lack of a cap hasn't made it less likely for MLB teams to reach their league's final series than teams in capped league. In fact, the first league with a cap, the NBA, has proven to be the least competitively balanced.
But what about different champions, you ask?
MLB - 13
NBA - 11 or 12, depending on this year
NFL - 13
NHL - 13 or 14, depending on this year
Again, no real difference.
What does that have to do with anything?
Is having a larger payroll an advantage or a disadvantage? It's unquestionably an advantage.
A salary cap/floor mitigates that advantage, making things more competively balanced.
I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money.
Also, I think a better way to examine the impact of a salary cap is not by comparing completely separate sports, but rather looking at how a single sport changed after the introduction of a salary cap. Take the NBA:
1960-1985 (25 years before the introduction of a salary cap): 12 different franchises made the title game, with 9 different champions (all by large market teams except 2 appearances by MIL and one by POR)
1986-2011 (Original salary cap era): 18 different franchises made the title game, with 8 different champions (Included several small market teams such as SA, POR, Utah, NJ, CLE, ORL)
2012-2023 (Incremental Luxury Tax era): 11 different franchises (in 12 years) made the title game, with 8 different champions
2024-2026 (Second apron era): 6 different franchise made the title game (100%) with 3 different champions
Again, I care about competitive balance, not parity of championship appearances. But it appears the introduction of salary cap (and subsequent tweaks of the salary cap) increased both in the NBA.
The Royals, Nationals and Cardinals have won World Series more recently than the Yankees have and much more recently than the Mets or Blue Jays have.
Again ... fun convo ... but there won't be a salary cap.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 31, 2026, 11:08:40 PMWhat does that have to do with anything?
Is having a larger payroll an advantage or a disadvantage? It's unquestionably an advantage.
A salary cap/floor mitigates that advantage, making things more competively balanced.
I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money.
Also, I think a better way to examine the impact of a salary cap is not by comparing completely separate sports, but rather looking at how a single sport changed after the introduction of a salary cap. Take the NBA:
1960-1985 (25 years before the introduction of a salary cap): 12 different franchises made the title game, with 9 different champions (all by large market teams except 2 appearances by MIL and one by POR)
1986-2011 (Original salary cap era): 18 different franchises made the title game, with 8 different champions (Included several small market teams such as SA, POR, Utah, NJ, CLE, ORL)
2012-2023 (Incremental Luxury Tax era): 11 different franchises (in 12 years) made the title game, with 8 different champions
2024-2026 (Second apron era): 6 different franchise made the title game (100%) with 3 different champions
Again, I care about competitive balance, not parity of championship appearances. But it appears the introduction of salary cap (and subsequent tweaks of the salary cap) increased both in the NBA.
What does making championship appearances have to do with anything? Some would say that's kind of the point of playing the game and the ultimate measure of success.
If not championships/championship appearances, how do you define competitive balance? Or are you simply using "competitive balance" as a synonym for "equal payroll?
With all due respect, your NBA examination here is kind of meaningless when you fail to account for expansion. Of course fewer teams made championship appearances when there were a dozen (or more) fewer teams in the league, as was the case for most of the pre-cap era. I mean, between 1942 and 1967, only six teams ever appeared in a Stanley Cup Final. Talk about a competitive imbalance!
You say:
"I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money."
Do you not understand that wealthier teams have more access to quality coaching, development, scouting and front offices than poorer teams? And those advantages would only
increase in a capped world? High revenue teams would simply shift more resources to those aspects of their operations, leading to better outcomes, whereas low-revenue clubs would be forced to shift resources
away from those areas in order to meet the salary floor.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 11:31:16 PMWhat does making championship appearances have to do with anything? Some would say that's kind of the point of playing the game and the ultimate measure of success.
If not championships/championship appearances, how do you define competitive balance? Or are you simply using "competitive balance" as a synonym for "equal payroll?
With all due respect, your NBA examination here is kind of meaningless when you fail to account for expansion. Of course fewer teams made championship appearances when there were a dozen (or more) fewer teams in the league, as was the case for most of the pre-cap era. I mean, between 1942 and 1967, only six teams ever appeared in a Stanley Cup Final. Talk about a competitive imbalance!
You say:
"I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money."
Do you not understand that wealthier teams have more access to quality coaching, development, scouting and front offices than poorer teams? And those advantages would only increase in a capped world? High revenue teams would simply shift more resources to those aspects of their operations, leading to better outcomes, whereas low-revenue clubs would be forced to shift resources away from those areas in order to meet the salary floor.
In coin flipping, there is perfect competitive balance. Despite that, if you flip a coin 20 times, you may get 10 heads and 10 tails, but there's a good chance you could get a different result. It doesn't mean the game doesn't have competitive balance, it means that even with perfect balance the results can be different. Competitive balance is controlling the controllables to try to put every team on as equal footing as possible (because true equality is impossible in sports). It's not a synonym for equal payroll, but payroll is the most impactful controllable that's currently uncontrolled by the MLB.
Your point about expansion is very fair, but that's why I included the later eras. The incremental luxury tax clearly increased parity of results in the NBA. It's a small sample size but the second apron seems to have had a similar impact. I'm a basketball/baseball fan and know a lot less about football and hockey. I'm curious if they have similar results.
Your last paragraph is one of the best arguments I've heard against a salary cap. Personally, I believe (could very well be wrong) that you hit the point of diminishing returns a lot quicker when spending on coaching, development, etc than you do when spending on payroll.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 01, 2026, 12:01:30 AMIn coin flipping, there is perfect competitive balance. Despite that, if you flip a coin 20 times, you may get 10 heads and 10 tails, but there's a good chance you could get a different result. It doesn't mean the game doesn't have competitive balance, it means that even with perfect balance the results can be different. Competitive balance is controlling the controllables to try to put every team on as equal footing as possible (because true equality is impossible in sports). It's not a synonym for equal payroll, but payroll is the most impactful controllable that's currently uncontrolled by the MLB.
I don't disagree that having a higher payroll can increase a team's chances of success, and I'm not really opposed to a salary cap. I just don't see it as the great equalizer it's being billed as. Nor do I believe it's the lone route to a fairer playing field.
As we've seen in capped leagues, dominant franchises continue to exist, as do perennial losers.
And as we've seen in MLB, high payrolls aren't a guarantee of success (looking at you, Mets) and low payrolls aren't a barrier to it.
A former GM/longtime front-office guy did a Twitter thread on this recently that sums up my thoughts pretty well. Cliff's notes version ... payroll is an important, but not a determinative, factor in winning.
https://x.com/ZackScottSports/status/2060097463084560586?s=20
Can always count on White Trash to defend the poor owners
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 08:37:35 PMOwners want a hard cap because it:
1. Artificially depresses wages.
2. Greatly reduces their financial exposure (Down year for revenues? Just take some of the players' money from escrow).
3. Provides cost certainty, which enhances franchise values.
4. Provides the illusion of competitive balance.
67. Actually creates competitive balance.
I think it's pretty silly to claim that a salary cap wouldn't actually create competitive balance. I don't think it's the panacea that others do, but a cap and floor model would definitely make it more competitive than what we have seen. There is a pretty strong correlation between payroll and winning.
Yeah, I'm not against a cap. It could even do most of what its big proponents say it could do in regards to improving "competitive balance."
However, in addition to agreeing with those who say a salary cap probably wouldn't be a panacea, I'm among the realistic many who simply don't think these CBA negotiations are gonna produce a salary cap.
But that's OK. This is a fan board, and we like to debate the return of Marquette football, too.
White Trash is convinced that the owners' offer is better than what the players are already getting. This guy disagrees strongly ...
Bruce Meyer, the interim head of the Major League Baseball Players Association, said Monday he was "very surprised" by the details of the salary-cap proposal owners made four days earlier. The union's analysis of the offer showed players would make less money overall — and that amateur players who turn pro would be particularly hit hard.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7324965/2026/06/01/mlb-players-union-proposal-pay-cut-bargaining/?
"I thought they would try harder to make it look good, and they didn't even do that," Meyer said on a video conference call with reporters.
The players and owners both made opening economic proposals last week in a collective-bargaining process that's expected to take until next spring at the earliest. MLB proposed that starting next season, teams could spend no more than $245.3 million on salary, along with a mandated floor of $171.2 million — a huge change for baseball, the only prominent league in the U.S. that does not have a cap and floor.
Owners are framing the push for a cap around a desire to improve the sport's competitive balance. Players, however, have long opposed a cap system on economic grounds and others, setting up a contentious labor battle.
Cap systems typically come with a revenue split: an agreed-upon distribution of the overall money the sport takes in. MLB proposed players and owners start out with an even 50-50 split but the union said players already earn more than half.
"Using MLB's definition of revenue and player share as set forth in their proposal and their presentation to us, player share under their proposal would go down," Meyer said. "Player share for this season, 2026, is projected to be well over 50 percent, using, again MLB's definitions of revenues and what counts against player share.
"Had MLB's proposal been in place in 2026, players, we estimate, would lose over half a billion dollars."
Quote from: MU82 on June 02, 2026, 12:22:56 PMWhite Trash is convinced that the owners' offer is better than what the players are already getting. This guy disagrees strongly ...
Bruce Meyer, the interim head of the Major League Baseball Players Association....
Sounds like a completely unbiased source.
Anyway, I read the entire thing. It's all just early-stage posturing. Arguing over definitions of what is, and what isn't, "baseball revenue" isn't terribly interesting.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 01, 2026, 08:05:04 AMI think it's pretty silly to claim that a salary cap wouldn't actually create competitive balance. I don't think it's the panacea that others do, but a cap and floor model would definitely make it more competitive than what we have seen. There is a pretty strong correlation between payroll and winning.
Well, I didn't actually claim that.
I do appreciate you used correlation and not causation.
Quote from: MU82 on June 02, 2026, 12:22:56 PMWhite Trash is convinced that the owners' offer is better than what the players are already getting. This guy disagrees strongly ...
I based my opinion upon the earlier reports and generally available information that the players already get basically 50% , but per Passan of ESPN they would pick up about $50M per year.
Others said the union and would pass on a floor/cap based upon the exact same information I used.
You are introducing completely new information that could/should change the conversation.
Aside from Meyer's position, if the facts of a situation changes materially, the conclusion must be revisited.
But with regards to Meyer's assertions and other's reports, the problem is not how revenue is measured, it is how payrolls are reported. The reporters took the current reported salaries and adjusted to the owners floor/cap amounts. They did not do a calculation based upon revenue.
Meyers is saying the actual payroll numbers are higher than reported.
Sixteen years ago today instant replay challenges in MLB became inevitable (https://x.com/BradGalli/status/2061743916152459325?s=20).
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 02, 2026, 02:01:34 PMSixteen years ago today instant replay challenges in MLB became inevitable (https://x.com/BradGalli/status/2061743916152459325?s=20).
I've always been amazed the umpires didn't huddle up to discuss this one.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 02, 2026, 03:02:39 PMI've always been amazed the umpires didn't huddle up to discuss this one.
Pure class all around from those involved.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 02, 2026, 12:31:20 PMSounds like a completely unbiased source.
Anyway, I read the entire thing. It's all just early-stage posturing. Arguing over definitions of what is, and what isn't, "baseball revenue" isn't terribly interesting.
Of course it's a 100% biased source, as is any information coming from the owners and their negotiators. And of course it's all just early-stage posturing. I neither said nor suggested otherwise.
Moral of the story: Take information presented by either side with not just a grain of salt but an entire pile of salt.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 02, 2026, 02:01:34 PMSixteen years ago today instant replay challenges in MLB became inevitable (https://x.com/BradGalli/status/2061743916152459325?s=20).
It's so bad that I knew exactly what you were referencing without clicking the link.
Jo Adell, the Angels RF who robbed 3 HR in one game earlier this season, pulled a "Canseco" last night, with a deep fly bouncing off his head and going over the wall for a HR.
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Quote from: MU82 on June 03, 2026, 09:16:29 AMJo Adell, the Angels RF who robbed 3 HR in one game earlier this season, pulled a "Canseco" last night, with a deep fly bouncing off his head and going over the wall for a HR.
I was at that Canseco game.
Brewers led MLB in ERA for the month of May.
Every starter had less than 2 years of MLB experience.
Ohtani had three hits last night ... and allowed only two.
Six shutout innings, lowering his ERA to 0.74.
Utterly ridiculous.
Another highlight-worthy moment from MVPete tonight.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 04, 2026, 09:06:37 PMAnother highlight-worthy moment from MVPete tonight.
Surely you mean his first career walk off hit.
Or his home run?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 04, 2026, 09:46:51 PMSurely you mean his first career walk off hit.
Or his home run?
Ha.
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9th in MLB in rWAR and 10th in fWAR.
Aaron Judge out for a while - he has a stress fracture in a rib and won't even be re-evalutated for another 4-6 weeks.
He's no MVPete, but the Yankees will still miss him.
The wind is blowing out at Wrigley today ... but apparently only for the Giants' batters.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 05, 2026, 10:41:59 AM9th in MLB in rWAR and 10th in fWAR.
Being a fast dynamic centerfielder sure helps juice that war. Legit enviable defensive player.
Though why wasn't that fly ball scored an error last night 🤔
In a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2026, 05:28:04 PMIn a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
Fiscal conservative wants to limit salaries. News at 10.
So much for capitalism.
The players will NEVER agree to a cap.
The owners are their own worst enemies!
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2026, 05:28:04 PMIn a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
He also thinks old men should have access to young girls.
IOW, his opinions means nothing.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 05, 2026, 05:40:56 PMFiscal conservative wants to limit salaries. News at 10.
So much for capitalism.
Free marketers hate free markets.
A brutal assessment of the Angels by The Athletic:
Has your team ever had the second-worst farm system in baseball, sat in last place, trailed 7-0 at home against a team that lost 119 games a year ago, and then gone down more when your right fielder missed a fly ball with his glove and volleyed it over the wall with his head for a home run, helping to clinch a series loss against said 119-loss team right before your team drives up the interstate to face its biggest rival, which recently signed away your longtime superstar, the best player ever, and then won back-to-back World Series, with your former star winning consecutive MVPs (don't worry; he's now on his way to a third) while your fans begged on their hands and knees for the owner to sell the team?
However bad you think the Angels are, they're worse. This is now the bleakest team outlook in the major North American professional sports.
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2026, 05:28:04 PMIn a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
They should definitely take his advice given his wonderful results with the USFL
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 06, 2026, 12:21:36 PMThey should definitely take his advice given his wonderful results with the USFL
Like so many things, Pete Rozelle was often ahead of the curve
PCA hits his second home run of the day to tie up the game with two outs in the ninth.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2063367366977667205?s=46
Hitting 19-46 (.413) with 5 homers in an 11 game hit streak.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 06, 2026, 07:57:37 PMPCA hits his second home run of the day to tie up the game with two outs in the ninth.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2063367366977667205?s=46
Hitting 19-46 (.413) with 5 homers in an 11 game hit streak.
MVPete!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 06, 2026, 07:57:37 PMPCA hits his second home run of the day to tie up the game with two outs in the ninth.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2063367366977667205?s=46
Hitting 19-46 (.413) with 5 homers in an 11 game hit streak.
You didn't answer me why his misjudge and give up wasn't ruled an error. Weird
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 01:43:53 AMYou didn't answer me why his misjudge and give up wasn't ruled an error. Weird
Are misjudged fly balls usually ruled an error?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 01:43:53 AMYou didn't answer me why his misjudge and give up wasn't ruled an error. Weird
I'm pretty sure they rarely, if ever, give an error on a ball you don't see.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 07:57:29 AMI'm pretty sure they rarely, if ever, give an error on a ball you don't see.
Yeah, that's not going to be ruled an error and if he lost in the lights ... it happens.
Him turning around and watching the ball roll away, rather than make any effort to go retrieve it, is the bad look there.
He may be a bit unfairly under the microscope on these kinds of things, but if you're going to be an attention-seeker, then it goes both ways.
Pete Crow-Armstrong's 1.201 OPS is the best of any National League player over their last 15 games played.
He has a .368 average, three doubles and six home runs in that span.
Up to 6th in fWAR and rWAR.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 11:12:24 AMPete Crow-Armstrong's 1.201 OPS is the best of any National League player over their last 15 games played.
He has a .368 average, three doubles and six home runs in that span.
Up to 6th in fWAR and rWAR.
His biggest accomplishment though, is having you defend his honor on Scoop.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 11:12:24 AMPete Crow-Armstrong's 1.201 OPS is the best of any National League player over their last 15 games played.
He has a .368 average, three doubles and six home runs in that span.
Up to 6th in fWAR and rWAR.
MVPete! MVPete! MVPete!
Quote from: The Sultan on June 07, 2026, 12:03:13 PMHis biggest accomplishment though, is having you defend his honor on Scoop.
If posting stats is defending his honor, sure.
I enjoy how Brewers fans here post more about him than their own team.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 12:44:19 PMIf posting stats is defending his honor, sure.
I enjoy how Brewers fans here post more about him than their own team.
I wouldn't know.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 12:44:19 PMIf posting stats is defending his honor, sure.
I enjoy how Brewers fans here post more about him than their own team.
We are all lining up to suck your d***, b****
Is PCA our new St. Louis cardinals?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 05:28:05 PMIs PCA our new St. Louis cardinals?
Because he also has the best fans in baseball?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 05:28:05 PMIs PCA our new St. Louis cardinals?
Just plays the right way. Commits all the unwritten errors.
Say what you will about PCA but it's not his fault he smells like urine. He plays at Wrigley.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2026, 06:03:15 PMSay what you will about PCA but it's not his fault he smells like urine. He plays at Wrigley.
Today I learned that the troughs go right to the Cubs locker room
Private plane heading to Austin to pick up Yadier Molina and his family crashes in the Dominican Republic, killing the two pilots (the only 2 people on the plane).
Quote from: wadesworld on June 08, 2026, 04:29:47 PMPrivate plane heading to Austin to pick up Yadier Molina and his family crashes in the Dominican Republic, killing the two pilots (the only 2 people on the plane).
Vaxxed?
The umps in yesterday's Orioles-Blue Jays game actually said the runner didn't veer out of the baseline to avoid the tag, and they gave him second base.
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Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2026, 05:03:31 PMThe umps in yesterday's Orioles-Blue Jays game actually said the runner didn't veer out of the baseline to avoid the tag, and they gave him second base.
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And then Toronto scored multiple runs.
Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2026, 05:03:31 PMThe umps in yesterday's Orioles-Blue Jays game actually said the runner didn't veer out of the baseline to avoid the tag, and they gave him second base.
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Chuck Schumer would call that basepath "centrist"
How about that Brewers win last night?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 07:53:27 AMHow about that Brewers win last night?
Ridiculous that they are playing in that stadium. Both teams are going to fry their bullpens.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 09, 2026, 07:55:30 AMRidiculous that they are playing in that stadium. Both teams are going to fry their bullpens.
I was gonna ask about the stadium. It looks like a little league park. Pop ups going 400 ft.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 07:58:53 AMI was gonna ask about the stadium. It looks like a little league park. Pop ups going 400 ft.
It's a relatively new stadium, built for the As AAA affiliate. But yeah, it really shouldn't be hosting major league games.
I haven't followed that much but don't the Brewers have a bunch of pitchers on the IL? That organization is doing something right. Their bats thus far seem to be better than past seasons.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 08:21:07 AMI haven't followed that much but don't the Brewers have a bunch of pitchers on the IL? That organization is doing something right. Their bats thus far seem to be better than past seasons.
After last night's slugfest the Brewers lead the MLB in runs per game. Offense has been cooking since Chourio, Yeli and Vaughn got healthy. Only injured bat is Lockridge, the backup outfielder who is due back soon.
The Brewers are 4th in runs allowed per game. You are right about the Crew having a lot of pitchers on the IL, they currently have 9:
- Woody and Priester were the #2 and #3 pitchers last season after Peralta. Woody is theoretically back this month but is oft injured and I don't think Priester makes it back this season.
- Zerpa was one of the big offseason acquisitions and he's out for TJ surgery.
- Koenig and Zastryzny were both effective leftys last season who have yet to play. Koenig's on a rehab assignment and I'm not sure Z makes it back this season.
- Hall has been very good out of the pen this season but is now out 4-6 weeks.
- Henderson, Fitzpatrick, and Rodriguez have all ping ponged between Milwaukee and Nashville this season but all have promise, especially Henderson.
If the Dodgers weren't a thing I would say Milwaukee has a shot at the series this season. I think they need to trade for an ace and another bullpen arm to have more than a puncher's chance. Unfortunately, Milwaukee doesn't make trades like that (for good reason). I would really enjoy the LOLz if we traded for Peralta at the deadline and sent back worse than what we sold him for.
A's are just the 7th team in MLB history to hit 7 HRs in a game and lose. Brewers have had a few huge comebacks lately.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 09, 2026, 08:56:43 AMAfter last night's slugfest the Brewers lead the MLB in runs per game. Offense has been cooking since Yeli and Vaughn got healthy. Only injured bat is Lockridge, the backup outfielder who is due back soon.
The Brewers are 4th in runs allowed per game. You are right about the Crew having a lot of pitchers on the IL, they currently have 9:
- Woody and Priester were the #2 and #3 pitchers last season after Peralta. Woody is theoretically back this month but is oft injured and I don't think Priester makes it back this season.
- Zerpa was one of the big offseason acquisitions and he's out for TJ surgery.
- Koenig and Zastryzny were both effective leftys last season who have yet to play. Koenig's on a rehab assignment and I'm not sure Z makes it back this season.
- Hall has been very good out of the pen this season but is now out 4-6 weeks.
- Henderson, Fitzpatrick, and Rodriguez have all ping ponged between Milwaukee and Nashville this season but all have promise, especially Henderson.
If the Dodgers weren't a thing I would say Milwaukee has a shot at the series this season. I think they need to trade for an ace and another bullpen arm to have more than a puncher's chance. Unfortunately, Milwaukee doesn't make trades like that (for good reason). I would really enjoy the LOLz if we traded for Peralta at the deadline and sent back worse than what we sold him for.
Doesn't matter if you can't hit for power, and the Brewers can't.
Ortiz's glove is very good, but his bat is so bad that he can't be in your starting lineup in the Playoffs.
Ceiling is NLCS again. Then again, so is everyone's in the NL not named the Dodgers.
Does the ball just fly there? The dimensions at the park are normal but man it was flying last night.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2026, 11:13:03 AMDoesn't matter if you can't hit for power, and the Brewers can't.
Ortiz's glove is very good, but his bat is so bad that he can't be in your starting lineup in the Playoffs.
Ceiling is NLCS again. Then again, so is everyone's in the NL not named the Dodgers.
I'd assume Hamilton gets some playoff starts. Ortiz as a defensive replacement and maybe plays against lefties if they decide not to bring up Pratt. Hamilton is a decent guy to put at 9. Not a great hitter but better than Ortiz, and his speed really puts pressure on teams. Great bunter helps too.
I think the Brewers could steal a 5 game series against LA. Can't see them winning a 7 gamer.
Quote from: BM1090 on June 09, 2026, 11:26:03 AMI'd assume Hamilton gets some playoff starts.
BeeJay is going to soil his wiffleball outfit if CH18 gets some starts
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 09, 2026, 08:56:43 AMAfter last night's slugfest the Brewers lead the MLB in runs per game. Offense has been cooking since Yeli and Vaughn got healthy. Only injured bat is Lockridge, the backup outfielder who is due back soon.
The Brewers are 4th in runs allowed per game. You are right about the Crew having a lot of pitchers on the IL, they currently have 9:
- Woody and Priester were the #2 and #3 pitchers last season after Peralta. Woody is theoretically back this month but is oft injured and I don't think Priester makes it back this season.
- Zerpa was one of the big offseason acquisitions and he's out for TJ surgery.
- Koenig and Zastryzny were both effective leftys last season who have yet to play. Koenig's on a rehab assignment and I'm not sure Z makes it back this season.
- Hall has been very good out of the pen this season but is now out 4-6 weeks.
- Henderson, Fitzpatrick, and Rodriguez have all ping ponged between Milwaukee and Nashville this season but all have promise, especially Henderson.
If the Dodgers weren't a thing I would say Milwaukee has a shot at the series this season. I think they need to trade for an ace and another bullpen arm to have more than a puncher's chance. Unfortunately, Milwaukee doesn't make trades like that (for good reason). I would really enjoy the LOLz if we traded for Peralta at the deadline and sent back worse than what we sold him for.
It's pretty impressive they have the 2nd best record in MLB.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2026, 11:13:03 AMDoesn't matter if you can't hit for power, and the Brewers can't.
Ortiz's glove is very good, but his bat is so bad that he can't be in your starting lineup in the Playoffs.
Ceiling is NLCS again. Then again, so is everyone's in the NL not named the Dodgers.
They didn't hit AT ALL vs the Dodgers last year in the playoffs. That was the problem. Maybe this is the year they put it all together?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 01:11:40 PMThey didn't hit AT ALL vs the Dodgers last year in the playoffs. That was the problem. Maybe this is the year they put it all together?
They're going to acquire Skubal and try to win scoring 4 runs in 4 games but giving up none.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 09, 2026, 01:22:11 PMThey're going to acquire Skubal and try to win scoring 4 runs in 4 games but giving up none.
They could very easily score in heavy numbers come playoff time. Past failure doesn't necessarily mean anything. Guys just need to show up and focus. They also have some excellent young guns coming up from what I've heard. Add another pitcher and a thunderous bat. Then things will be alright.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 01:33:34 PMThey could very easily score in heavy numbers come playoff time. Past failure doesn't necessarily mean anything. Guys just need to show up and focus. They also have some excellent young guns coming up from what I've heard. Add another pitcher and a thunderous bat. Then things will be alright.
Pitching and being able to hit home runs is what wins in the Playoffs. The Brewers are a great regular season offense because they take the extra base when it's there, they grind out at bats, and they put pressure on defenses. Come playoff time, everyone is grinding out at bats. They have the pitching to compete at the highest level, but the only time they've had both the offense and the pitching to win a World Series in my lifetime was 2018. This year isn't any different than last year. You aren't winning a World Series when you're second from last in the MLB in home runs per game. Heck, you're not winning a World Series when you're in the bottom half of the MLB in home runs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 01:33:34 PMThey could very easily score in heavy numbers come playoff time. Past failure doesn't necessarily mean anything. Guys just need to show up and focus. They also have some excellent young guns coming up from what I've heard. Add another pitcher and a thunderous bat. Then things will be alright.
The Brewers are just not willing to pay for past performance. They aren't going to give big $$$ to players who won't live up to that contract on the back end. So they let guys walk. There have been some exceptions to this, like Yelich (and I would suggest his contract has come back to the market), but they have let franchise cornerstones like Adames go, and will do the same when Wild Bill hits free agency.
Furthermore, they are never going to be active at the top levels of free agency. They are either locking young guys up early (Churrio), or looking for value in assets that other teams don't value as highly (Vaughn).
Couple that with a manager who knows how to deal with younger guys, with the club doing a fantastic job with the fan experience and honoring its legends, and it works! They really are a model for how a lower revenue team can succeed in today's MLB. They aren't tanking. They aren't cheapening out and not caring about the product they put on the field.
The downside to all of this is that they pretty much have to have things play out perfectly for them to get to the World Series much less win one. I really hope they can break through though, not only because they are my team, but because this fanbase deserves it. And so does Mark A. for caring a lot about the team and the fans.
From what I saw, the Brewers were a bit unlucky last year. Other than the game Ohtani went medieval, they were right there even with their odd pitching rotations. For some reason they couldn't hit at all. Part of it was the LA pitching, but there were also bad AB's and swings. So while I get adding more pop and another arm would be helpful, I believe better and timely hitting could get them over the hump.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2026, 01:37:27 PMPitching and being able to hit home runs is what wins in the Playoffs. The Brewers are a great regular season offense because they take the extra base when it's there, they grind out at bats, and they put pressure on defenses. Come playoff time, everyone is grinding out at bats. They have the pitching to compete at the highest level, but the only time they've had both the offense and the pitching to win a World Series in my lifetime was 2018. This year isn't any different than last year. You aren't winning a World Series when you're second from last in the MLB in home runs per game. Heck, you're not winning a World Series when you're in the bottom half of the MLB in home runs.
Anything can happen in baseball, but it's hard to argue with the data. Brewers are hitting 0.88 home runs a game. Last time a team even made the series with that low of a HR rate was the 2015 Royals (0.86). Most pennant winners hit over 1.24 a game. Only other team in that time span that's even close to 0.88 is the 2023 D-Backs (1.03).
Brewers ran into a buzzsaw pitching last year. Couple that with typically manufacturing runs rather than one swing being enough to put a run on the board, and it makes things difficult.
They also couldn't get into LA's bullpen, where their woodpecker type offense helps them in the regular season.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 09, 2026, 02:25:07 PMAnything can happen in baseball, but it's hard to argue with the data. Brewers are hitting 0.88 home runs a game. Last time a team even made the series with that low of a HR rate was the 2015 Royals (0.86). Most pennant winners hit over 1.24 a game. Only other team in that time span that's even close to 0.88 is the 2023 D-Backs (1.03).
The Brewers are 0.88 because of the injuries to Churio, Yeli, and Vaughn.
They certainly wouldn't be one of the top power teams if those guys weren't hurt, but they're not as bad as you guys are making them out to be.
Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2026, 03:55:21 PMThe Brewers are 0.88 because of the injuries to Churio, Yeli, and Vaughn.
They certainly wouldn't be one of the top power teams if those guys weren't hurt, but they're not as bad as you guys are making them out to be.
Vaugh has 2 home runs in 96 plate appearances and has a career high of 21 homers. Chourio has 4 home runs in 141 plate appearances, with a career high of 21 homers. Yelich has 4 home runs in 153 plate appearances and injuries are just part of what he is at this point in his career.
And if you're going to play that game, you also have to play the game of Jake Bauers has already tied his career high in home runs in just 56 games played. That pace probably won't continue.
They were 22nd in home runs last year. That's probably about their ceiling this year.
Yeah last year the Brewers hit just over 1.0 HR per game. So sure there is room for improvement this year, but still far from the 1.24 number that TAMU references.
Quote from: BM1090 on June 09, 2026, 11:24:09 AMDoes the ball just fly there? The dimensions at the park are normal but man it was flying last night.
Read some stuff by people familiar with how that park plays in the minors and they said it absolutely does to the point that teams re-assess every prospect who plays and pitches there. Apparently the infield is hard/plays crazy fast and the dry air makes balls absolutely scream. They use a humidor for the balls, but I guess it only does so much.
With Gasser/Sproat going for the next two games, there might be more crooked numbers. Maybe worth taking the over*.
*I am historically comically, famously, terrible at sports betting. My friends and I suggested starting a betting service where subscribers get my picks with an instruction to do the opposite because I'm almost always wrong at sports bets. Do with this information what you will.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 09, 2026, 04:52:36 PMRead some stuff by people familiar with how that park plays in the minors and they said it absolutely does to the point that teams re-assess every prospect who plays and pitches there. Apparently the infield is hard/plays crazy fast and the dry air makes balls absolutely scream. They use a humidor for the balls, but I guess it only does so much.
With Gasser/Sproat going for the next two games, there might be more crooked numbers. Maybe worth taking the over*.
*I am historically comically, famously, terrible at sports betting. My friends and I suggested starting a betting service where subscribers get my picks with an instruction to do the opposite because I'm almost always wrong at sports bets. Do with this information what you will.
My parlay is counting on the game going off the rails.
I was entirely unaware of this "Vegas is like Mile High on steroids for fly balls but also has an infield that's barely better than concrete" phenomenon, and now I'm very interested to see how the new A's park is going to play.
Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2026, 03:55:21 PMThe Brewers are 0.88 because of the injuries to Churio, Yeli, and Vaughn.
They certainly wouldn't be one of the top power teams if those guys weren't hurt, but they're not as bad as you guys are making them out to be.
Injuries definitely impacted that number for sure and i think we will be better than what we've been in the power department because of it.
But, even to get to the 2023 dbacks level (least HRs by a pennant winner since 2015), we would need to hit 112 homers in the remaining 101 games (1.11 per game). Certainly doable but not a guarentee.
To get to that 1.24 number (not a magic number certainly but all but 2 or 3 pennant winners since 2015 were above that) we would need to hit 146 dingers in 101 games (1.45). While not impossible, it would require us to hit like one of the top 50 HR hitting teams in history to reach it.
Let's just play all if our remaining games in Vegas.
Southside. Having fun.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 09, 2026, 04:52:36 PMWith Gasser/Sproat going for the next two games, there might be more crooked numbers. Maybe worth taking the over*.
*I am historically comically, famously, terrible at sports betting. My friends and I suggested starting a betting service where subscribers get my picks with an instruction to do the opposite because I'm almost always wrong at sports bets. Do with this information what you will.
5 homers already and we're only in the fifth.
With the Lara signing, I'm beginning to think the Brewers front office are saying something about how they anticipate the CBA eventually shaking out. He projects to be a fine player, but on its face, I don't see enough upside to warrant the risk here - unless something changes in the next CBA.
Lara has a lot of Sal Frelick in him, and based on Sal's WAR to date, Sal would be returning good value on Lara's contract - until you compare that to Sal's actual cost so far. He will go through arb for the first time in 2027, and has made a total of about $7.5M over his ~3 years of service time before that, which includes a $4M signing bonus. Lara only got a $1.1M signing bonus, meaning that even if Lara mirrored Sal's service time and was twice as expensive as Sal every year pre-arb, he would only make $8M over that time. Under the current CBA, I'm having trouble making the math math on a 7 year, $31M minimum guarantee for Lara. Sure, if he's Sal he'll return some surplus value, but enough to warrant the risk of a commitment before he plays an MLB game?
Through 6 innings, the Crew have only allowed 1 runner into scoring position and they stranded that runner. They are still losing 7 to 5 because they've surrendered five home runs.
Gotta get us some of that dry air in AmFam.
Tonight was as enjoyable a regular season game that I've experienced at the ballpark.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 26, 2026, 11:45:29 PMIf the playoffs started today, the 27-28 Athletics would host the 27-28 Twins in the first round while the 29-25 Reds, 29-26 Pirates, 29-26 Cubs, 29-27 Nationals, and 28-27 Phillies watched them on TV.
Two weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
Congrats on the Mariners achieving a record that would land them 3rd place in the NL Central.
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2026, 12:34:54 AMTwo weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2026, 12:34:54 AMTwo weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
82,
I don't know how else to say this because you still seem to think i had some underlying point that I can promise you i didn't. Theres nothing for me to feel better about. The single purpose of my post was to appreciate how wacky baseball can be sometimes. A third of the way through the season we had one division with more teams above .500 then the entire AL. I found that amusing and worthy of a post. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that happens very often. I was not trying to imply that it would stay that way or that anything was unfair. I just found it amusing. I fully expected the standings to even out and i assume water will continue to find its level.
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2026, 12:34:54 AMTwo weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
Wow. I thought the season was over.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 09, 2026, 08:21:34 PMMy parlay is counting on the game going off the rails.
Did it hit?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 10, 2026, 07:17:34 AM82,
I don't know how else to say this because you still seem to think i had some underlying point that I can promise you i didn't. Theres nothing for me to feel better about. The single purpose of my post was to appreciate how wacky baseball can be sometimes. A third of the way through the season we had one division with more teams above .500 then the entire AL. I found that amusing and worthy of a post. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that happens very often. I was not trying to imply that it would stay that way or that anything was unfair. I just found it amusing. I fully expected the standings to even out and i assume water will continue to find its level.
Oh, I'm just playin' around, TAMU. We agree about baseball often being wacky.
Quote from: PointWarrior on June 10, 2026, 01:33:46 AMCongrats on the Mariners achieving a record that would land them 3rd place in the NL Central.
Thanks, but I didn't have anything to do with it.
Quote from: Dish on June 09, 2026, 11:39:45 PMTonight was as enjoyable a regular season game that I've experienced at the ballpark.
I'm just glad we're allowed to enjoy baseball again.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 10, 2026, 12:05:52 PMI'm just glad we're allowed to enjoy baseball again.
I'm genuinely happy for Sox fans. Hope you guys get in the Playoffs.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 10, 2026, 08:49:28 AMDid it hit?
It started off so beautifully and then the pitchers decided to start pitching
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 10, 2026, 01:05:54 PMIt started off so beautifully and then the pitchers decided to start pitching
The atmosphere changed.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 10, 2026, 02:09:42 PMThe atmosphere changed.
You're right I should blame Trump for climate change ruining my bet
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 10, 2026, 01:05:54 PMIt started off so beautifully and then the pitchers decided to start pitching
Classic me-vs-sportsbetting. Always do the opposite.
Quote from: Jockey on June 10, 2026, 12:27:31 PMI'm genuinely happy for Sox fans. Hope you guys get in the Playoffs.
The old "Jockey Jinx". Uhhg!
;D
Quote from: Pakuni on June 10, 2026, 12:05:52 PMI'm just glad we're allowed to enjoy baseball again.
Not so fast, they wouldn't be in first in other divisions
1st place in the division, won the first two against the best team in baseball, going for the sweep tomorrow.
I know it can come crashing down at some point, but this has been so much fun thus far.
Quote from: Dish on June 10, 2026, 09:23:57 PM1st place in the division, won the first two against the best team in baseball, going for the sweep tomorrow.
I know it can come crashing down at some point, but this has been so much fun thus far.
Davis Martin outdueling Chris Sale, as everyone expected.
Cubs have gone 7-22 since May 8th, worst record in MLB over that stretch.
Remarkable in that they were 27-12 leading up to that point.
Quote from: Dish on June 11, 2026, 08:47:11 AMCubs have gone 7-22 since May 8th, worst record in MLB over that stretch.
Remarkable in that they were 27-12 leading up to that point.
I think the pitching injuries are finally catching up. They've already used 27 pitchers and lost 4/5 of their opening day rotation.
Sad thing is the pitching, even with injuries, kept them afloat and the problem is the offense not doing their part.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 11, 2026, 08:53:17 AMI think the pitching injuries are finally catching up. They've already used 27 pitchers and lost 4/5 of their opening day rotation.
Sad thing is the pitching, even with injuries, kept them afloat and the problem is the offense not doing their part.
Every team has injuries
MVPete will save the offense like he always does.
Quote from: Dish on June 10, 2026, 09:23:57 PM1st place in the division, won the first two against the best team in baseball, going for the sweep tomorrow.
I know it can come crashing down at some point, but this has been so much fun thus far.
Credit this guy ...
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Quote from: MU82 on June 11, 2026, 12:18:02 PMCredit this guy ...
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I thought he was intervening with the Knicks on behalf of fellow Villanova alumni.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 11, 2026, 01:05:39 PMI thought he was intervening with the Knicks on behalf of fellow Villanova alumni.
Multitasker.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 11, 2026, 01:05:39 PMI thought he was intervening with the Knicks on behalf of fellow Villanova alumni.
Wait, the Cubbies said he was a Cubs fan?????
Wow, today's Brewers uniform is ... something.
That young 6'7 pitcher on the Brewers is pretty good.
Miz said Kolek 'em to the Phillies. Wonder if they're done crying about Miz getting an All Star game appearance after their players declined invites.
That was probably the best start in Brewers history.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 12, 2026, 08:52:06 PMThat was probably the best start in Brewers history.
Certainly up there. Burnes no hits through 8 with 14 Ks as well.
Most K's in a Maddux in MLB history.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 12, 2026, 08:52:06 PMThat was probably the best start in Brewers history.
I think it is.
Sheets gave up a run in his 18 strikeout game.
CC was 4 strikeouts short of Miz in his one hitter against Pittsburgh. Although it should have been a no hitter.
A slight edge over Burnes's combined no hitter.
We've got a very special talent here.
Every Milwaukee journalist should be fired if they don't ask every Philly player and coach if they think Miz deserves to be in the All Star game.
He's really fun to watch. I was especially impressed with his control. Zero 3-ball counts for a guy throwing 100-104 all night. Amazing.
He's got that "easy cheese" - doesn't even look like he's throwing that hard.
I just saw the last inning of the Brewers game at a sports bar here in Cali. There were two Brewers fans from Hayward, WI sitting next to us that said it was the best pitching performance they had seen in the history of Milwaukee baseball. But they were like 50ish so that's post Milwaukee Braves. I believe he had 40+ pitches over 100 mph?
58 pitches of at least 100 mph
Averaged 101.7
No three-ball counts all night
The average might be for 100+ pitches. Too lazy to look.
Source:
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/105-mph-brewers-ace-jacob-misiorowski-posts-another-velocity-record-while-striking-out-15-in-first-career-shutout-000205505.html
Article recapping the performance
https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-misiorowski-15-strikeout-one-hitter-facts-and-stats
Excuse my ignorance but how long do the Brewers have this guy under contract?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 13, 2026, 08:16:58 AMExcuse my ignorance but how long do the Brewers have this guy under contract?
He was a rookie last season, and is under a fairly standard 2nd-year contract making about $788K this season. He will be under team control for several more years.
The Brewers reportedly tried to sign him to the kind of long-term, team-friendly deal that has become increasingly common for young studs-to-be throughout MLB, but he rejected it.
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2026, 09:21:51 AMHe was a rookie last season, and is under a fairly standard 2nd-year contract making about $788K this season. He will be under team control for several more years.
The Brewers reportedly tried to sign him to the kind of long-term, team-friendly deal that has become increasingly common for young studs-to-be throughout MLB, but he rejected it.
They have him under control for two years past this one, and then three arbitration years starting in 2029, before he hits free agency in 2032. With how hard he throws, who knows by then if he will end up with Kerry Wood-like injuries or Pedro Martinez-like Cy Youngs.
https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-misiorowski-15-strikeout-one-hitter-facts-and-stats
So, Vegas is a hitters park. Had to make sure I wasn't looking at a 23-9 football score.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 14, 2026, 07:45:16 PMSo, Vegas is a hitters park. Had to make sure I wasn't looking at a 23-9 football score.
Fernando Mendoza needs to do better in the red zone.
The white Sox went 4-1 vs the braves and Dodgers
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 14, 2026, 10:42:51 PMThe white Sox went 4-1 vs the braves and Dodgers
Just means those teams suck.
Reverse cycle for PCA.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2066704935589236816?s=46
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 15, 2026, 09:15:37 PMReverse cycle for PCA.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2066704935589236816?s=46
MVPete!
PCA and Miz tied for second in NL and third in MLB in fWAR.
Ohtani 5.0
Witt Jr. 4.0
PCA 3.9
Miz 3.9
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 16, 2026, 09:18:10 AMPCA and Miz tied for second in NL and third in MLB in fWAR.
Ohtani 5.0
Witt Jr. 4.0
PCA 3.9
Miz 3.9
MVPete!
Now that the MLB has opened the door for playing on Little League fields with the 6 games in Vegas, when do the Brewers start playing in Helfaer a couple times a year?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 16, 2026, 09:34:20 AMNow that the MLB has opened the door for playing on Little League fields with the 6 games in Vegas, when do the Brewers start playing in Helfaer a couple times a year?
We may get in the top half of the league in homers if that happens. Although, seems like we've gotten a hit of power surge lately.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 16, 2026, 09:34:20 AMNow that the MLB has opened the door for playing on Little League fields with the 6 games in Vegas, when do the Brewers start playing in Helfaer a couple times a year?
Maybe they can get another series with the Yankees
Quote from: wadesworld on June 16, 2026, 09:32:09 AMMVPete!
Unlike PCA, Miz could never catch a HR ball 50' over his head.
PCA > Miz
PCA is the best of both worlds for this board. He's a good player for the Cubs fans, but also provides plenty of entertainment for Brewers fans.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2026, 10:58:40 AMUnlike PCA, Miz could never catch a HR ball 50' over his head.
PCA > Miz
I bet Miz could catch a HR ball at his feet, though.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2026, 10:58:40 AMUnlike PCA, Miz could never catch a HR ball 50' over his head.
PCA > Miz
Looks like Edmundo Sosa saw MVPete's fWAR and decided to take a page out of his book. Wonder how much his fWAR jumped after this incredible defensive effort.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1u5tuqs/highlight_known_power_hitter_blake_perkins/
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 16, 2026, 11:27:36 AMPCA is the best of both worlds for this board. He's a good player for the Cubs fans, but also provides plenty of entertainment for Brewers fans.
I'm not a Brewers fan, and he provides plenty of entertainment for me, too. I especially enjoy seeing the greatest centerfielder of all time letting flies drop untouched and overrunning four-hoppers hit right at him.
Also, my son is a big-time Cubbie fan and, just a month ago, he was b!tching about how bad MVPete had been since last year's All-Star break.
MVPete is red-hot right now, and it's been impressive. If and when he goes into another long, whiff-filled slump and his team falls out of the race, we'll see how quickly the P-C-A chants turn into boos.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 16, 2026, 11:27:36 AMPCA is the best of both worlds for this board. He's a good player for the Cubs fans, but also provides plenty of entertainment for Brewers fans.
He's a very good player.
Early NL Cy Young race, from The Athletic ...
(I'm taking the Miz.)
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Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2026, 01:56:13 PMEarly NL Cy Young race, from The Athletic ...
(I'm taking the Miz.)
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Prior to the most recent series, I had Sanchez slightly ahead of Miz in the Cy Young Race. The Miz was so dominant on Friday that I now think of him as clearly alone in first place (with obviously a ton of season left to be played).
That's also partially due to Blake ".111 BA" Perkins having a day against Sanchez on Sunday. Perkins being 6/7 in his career with 3 doubles and a homer against the current second or third best pitcher in the NL is just another example of why baseball is so random in the best possible way.
Pretty incredible to have Ohtani sitting on a near 1.00 ERA and sitting in 3rd place (completely justifiably too)
My wife and I went to the Mariners-Orioles game last night. We got to see Cal Raleigh return after nearly a month on the IL and deliver a go-ahead two-run single. Great vibes at the ballpark!
Just watched Jeff Passan's long interview of Tom Glavine, who threw "right?" into every other phrase.
It's become an epidemic these days, right? But this right? was probably the worst right? I've ever heard right?
The Brewers won again. They may not have HR hitters, but they seem to score a lot of runs. Chourio also missed time and is capable of thwacking bombs. They're a cool little team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 17, 2026, 09:24:14 PMThe Brewers won again. They may not have HR hitters, but they seem to score a lot of runs. Chourio also missed time and is capable of thwacking bombs. They're a cool little team.
Chourio will never catch a HR 50' over his head
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 18, 2026, 06:23:13 AMChourio will never catch a HR 50' over his head
A puma or a kangaroo couldn't have gotten that one.
Not surprising, but Priester officially out for the year.
Dodger stadium yesterday was a riot with Ohtani onthe mound Some Japanese fans, mostly the men, were in elaborate , colorful costumes complete with white face makeup
ithink they may have been cartoon characters
huge contingent of visitors much more than usual
Tigers pitcher Justin Verlander was scratched from his long-awaited return start with a hamstring injury. "I've always said I want to play until the wheels fall off, and I don't know, maybe they are falling off."
(From The Athletic)
Snakebit team right now. Inventing new injuries. See: Perez, Wenceel.
Skenes is 0-5 with a 4.03 ERA in his last 7 starts.
Congrats to Buster Posey for finding a way to make the Giants Pride Night kerfuffle even worse.
His front-office career continues to be off to a real banger of a start.
Add this to things you've never seen in a baseball game:
https://x.com/SNYtv/status/2069598239267996041/video/1?s=46
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 23, 2026, 08:52:04 PMAdd this to things you've never seen in a baseball game:
https://x.com/SNYtv/status/2069598239267996041/video/1?s=46
MVPete was out twice there. Impressive.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 23, 2026, 09:33:08 PMMVPete was out twice there. Impressive.
Wrong call though.
Runner is entitled to the base unless he attempts to advance beyond the base or slides past the base. A runner is considered to have passed a base if he has both feet on the ground beyond the back edge of the base or beyond the edge of the base in the direction in which they are advancing.
The second base ump originally had it correct when he didn't make an out or safe call and told everyone "it's ball four".
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 23, 2026, 09:46:17 PMWrong call though.
Runner is entitled to the base unless he attempts to advance beyond the base or slides past the base. A runner is considered to have passed a base if he has both feet on the ground beyond the back edge of the base or beyond the edge of the base in the direction in which they are advancing.
The second base ump originally had it correct when he didn't make an out or safe call and told everyone "it's ball four".
Got it. Had it on mute and missed that it was a walk.
Only 2 AL teams have a positive run differential. Crazy.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 23, 2026, 09:46:17 PMWrong call though.
He looks clearly out to me. The first tag is meaningless and he is awarded 2nd because of the walk. He then leaves the base and is tagged (left hand) a second time. Out.
Rule 5.09(b)(6) Comment:
PLAY—Runner on first and three balls on batter: Runner steals on the next pitch, which is fourth ball, but after having touched second he overslides or overruns that base. Catcher's throw catches him before he can return.
Ruling is that runner is out.
I was able to find a similar (but more extreme) example here with the same call:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ee-gjbWWQLU?is=1t-UitPvXN-pKcCD
Quote from: lostpassword on June 24, 2026, 12:00:25 AMHe looks clearly out to me. The first tag is meaningless and he is awarded 2nd because of the walk. He then leaves the base and is tagged (left hand) a second time. Out.
Rule 5.09(b)(6) Comment:
PLAY—Runner on first and three balls on batter: Runner steals on the next pitch, which is fourth ball, but after having touched second he overslides or overruns that base. Catcher's throw catches him before he can return.
Ruling is that runner is out.
I was able to find a similar (but more extreme) example here with the same call:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ee-gjbWWQLU?is=1t-UitPvXN-pKcCD
I think it depends if 5.06(b) applies or not in this situation. 5.05(b) doesn't say "if he comes off the base" it says "if he slides past the base after touching" which I believe would be considered trying to advance beyond the base he is entitled to.
Essentially, if you are trying to advance beyond your entitled base you can absolutely be tagged out.
5.05(b):A batter who is entitled to first base because of a base on balls, including an award of first base to a batter by an umpire following a signal from a manager, must go to first base and touch the base before other base runners are forced to advance. This applies when bases are full and applies when a substitute runner is put into the game.
If, in advancing, the base runner thinks there is a play and he slides past the base before or after touching it he may be put out by the fielder tagging him. If he fails to touch the base to which he is entitled and attempts to advance beyond that base he may be put out by tagging him or the base he missed.
5.06 (b):A runner is considered to have passed a base if he has both feet on the ground beyond the back edge of the base or beyond the edge of the base in the direction in which he is advancing.
The direction the runner is advancing determines the edges of the base when defining when a runner has passed a base.
I mean, he is out by rule, but jeez...I don't think I have ever seen that called. I guess since the Mets challenge, they really have no choice but to go by the book.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2026, 08:30:00 AMI mean, he is out by rule, but jeez...I don't think I have ever seen that called. I guess since the Mets challenge, they really have no choice but to go by the book.
This is where I'm at as well. Silly for that to be an out but no choice.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 06:00:26 AMI think it depends if 5.06(b) applies or not in this situation. 5.05(b) doesn't say "if he comes off the base" it says "if he slides past the base after touching" which I believe would be considered trying to advance beyond the base he is entitled to.
I don't think the PCA situation is what was envisioned in these rules and ergo room for interpretation. An argument could be made he slid past (at least the first arm did). I do find it a lot easier to be pedantic and justify "why is he out" than explain why that tag doesn't count.
I think coming off the base IS sliding past the base after touching. Once you touch, and then lose contact, you are considered "past the base." Otherwise, how would be able to judge it?
The simple solution would be to have a rule that makes this case an exception.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2026, 09:33:02 AMThe simple solution would be to have a rule that makes this case an exception.
The addition of replay has added so many unique situations the rules could have never dreamed up. Before replay, the second base ump would have simply told everyone it was ball four and that was that.
Which is actually what the second base ump did.
Funny thing is had he not touched the base at all, he would have been ruled safe.
Could that have been ruled as interference? He shouldn't have been obstructed going to the base, right?
Cubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 12:50:25 PMCubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:
- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
I think Steele splitting his time between the Cubs and coaching Miami (OH) probably doesn't help.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 24, 2026, 01:03:09 PMI think Steele splitting his time between the Cubs and coaching Miami (OH) probably doesn't help.
Haha damn it. Had college basketball on the mind.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 12:50:25 PMCubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:
- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
Tigers fan can relate.
The Mariners have too many starting pitchers - 6 in the rotation now, 5 of whom are good to very good; and Luis Castillo, who was good as recently as last season but has mostly struggled this year. In addition, The Athletic says they have the two top pitching prospects in the minors, including one who is ready for a promotion but isn't getting called up because there isn't room in the rotation.
Meanwhile, they could use a right-handed bat. Either Suzuki or Shaw would probably work.
How 'bout it, Cubbieland ... Let's make a deal!
Quote from: MU82 on June 24, 2026, 03:02:18 PMEither Suzuki or Shaw would probably work.
How 'bout it, Cubbieland ... Let's make a deal!
I'm not opposed to this.
Shaw would get a better return with his years of control while Suzuki would be a rental. Suzuki has a no trade clause, however, the Japanese players do seem to enjoy the west coast being closer to home.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 12:50:25 PMCubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:
- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
Injuries aren't excuses
Quote from: MU82 on June 24, 2026, 03:02:18 PMThe Mariners have too many starting pitchers - 6 in the rotation now, 5 of whom are good to very good; and Luis Castillo, who was good as recently as last season but has mostly struggled this year. In addition, The Athletic says they have the two top pitching prospects in the minors, including one who is ready for a promotion but isn't getting called up because there isn't room in the rotation.
Meanwhile, they could use a right-handed bat. Either Suzuki or Shaw would probably work.
How 'bout it, Cubbieland ... Let's make a deal!
Cubs decide to trade for Peterson from the Mets instead. He's been pretty bad, but the silver lining is he is a pitch to contact/ground ball pitcher, and the Cubs have a ton of above average fielders. So maybe it is the right change of scenery for him
Quote from: JWags85 on June 25, 2026, 10:16:21 AMCubs decide to trade for Peterson from the Mets instead. He's been pretty bad, but the silver lining is he is a pitch to contact/ground ball pitcher, and the Cubs have a ton of above average fielders. So maybe it is the right change of scenery for him
Cubs still need more pitching. And as long as they're open to mediocrity ... Luis Castillo is available!
Cubs are a weird unnatural carnal knowledgeing team.
So grateful for this Brewers organization after watching them make the playoffs twice in the first 27 years of my life.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 24, 2026, 08:20:15 PMInjuries aren't excuses
I agree. The starting pitching they've thrown together wasn't the problem. It was the offense.
Big series this weekend. Looks like the Cubs have some momentum. Hopefully the Brewers can take 2/3 and stop that a bit.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 26, 2026, 06:35:19 AMLooks like the Cubs have some momentum.
Roller coaster of a season.
- March 25 to May 8: 27-12 (.692) Best in MLB
- May 9 to June 10: 7-22 (.241) Worst in MLB
- June 11 to Present: 10-3 (.769) Best in MLB
Source Chris Kamka
Stunner ... Mets fire Mendoza.
I guess when you give up 285 RBI to Dansby Swanson in one series, that's the last straw!
Quote from: MU82 on June 26, 2026, 11:53:41 AMStunner ... Mets fire Mendoza.
I guess when you give up 285 RBI to Dansby Swanson in one series, that's the last straw!
Stearns fighting for his job
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 26, 2026, 09:35:46 AMRoller coaster of a season.
- March 25 to May 8: 27-12 (.692) Best in MLB
- May 9 to June 10: 7-22 (.241) Worst in MLB
- June 11 to Present: 10-3 (.769) Best in MLB
Source Chris Kamka
Most teams that aren't Mets, Giants, and Rockies would go 9-2 against the Mets, Giants, and Rockies ;D
I think most of the Cubs roller coaster is a product of their schedule. Cubs are currently 20-24 against teams with a run differential higher than -20 (and 6-1 of that is against the Phillies before they changed managers). They're 24-13 against teams below that. Their schedule has featured two long stretches of soft teams where to their credit, they took care of business. Once the schedule picked up, they spiraled.
Cubs haven't won a series against a team with better than a -47 run differential since May 3rd. Gonna need to see more against good teams before I believe they are back.
Of course now that I've posted this, they are going to sweep the Brewers.
All true.
baseball is a long season - hottest team in baseball a month ago is back to .500 but still in first place I am told every day...
I wouldn't lump the Giants in with those other teams. Bad, sure. But at least they play baseball.
Quote from: BM1090 on June 26, 2026, 02:56:11 PMI wouldn't lump the Giants in with those other teams. Bad, sure. But at least they play baseball.
The Giants of the second worst record in the majors and tied for the second worst run differential Giants? Those Giants?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 26, 2026, 03:27:16 PMThe Giants of the second worst record in the majors and tied for the second worst run differential Giants? Those Giants?
Yeah. I mean, small sample. But I've watched those three teams play 5-6 games each. The Giants (other than Devers) seem like they're trying to win.
The other two are just going through the motions. They still suck thouhg.
Quote from: PointWarrior on June 26, 2026, 01:29:12 PMbaseball is a long season - hottest team in baseball a month ago is back to .500 but still in first place I am told every day...
Most of us let the standings tell us what place a team is in, but it's OK if you use a Ouija board.
But yes, despite being in first place, the Mariners are the definition of mediocrity.
I never realized Ernie Clement was the best player in the AL.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 26, 2026, 12:24:40 PMMost teams that aren't Mets, Giants, and Rockies would go 9-2 against the Mets, Giants, and Rockies ;D
I think most of the Cubs roller coaster is a product of their schedule. Cubs are currently 20-24 against teams with a run differential higher than -20 (and 6-1 of that is against the Phillies before they changed managers). They're 24-13 against teams below that. Their schedule has featured two long stretches of soft teams where to their credit, they took care of business. Once the schedule picked up, they spiraled.
Cubs haven't won a series against a team with better than a -47 run differential since May 3rd. Gonna need to see more against good teams before I believe they are back.
Of course now that I've posted this, they are going to sweep the Brewers.
I am worried because the Cubs are playing in a modern stadium instead of that sh*thole that is their home field. The cream rises to the top when you get to play in places like AFF.
Miz hit 105.5 vs PCA...
I'm not sure what you do about it but the Brewers offense is a problem. 1-30 RISP this week
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DaFuyautpfH/?l=1
Quote from: wadesworld on June 27, 2026, 12:21:36 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DaFuyautpfH/?l=1
His IQ is much lower than Miz's average fastball mph.
Quote from: MU82 on June 27, 2026, 02:55:09 PMHis IQ is much lower than Miz's average fastball mph.
but his (perceived) vertical is much higher.
Tough to have a loss more frustrating than that one.
Embarrassing series by the Brewers with a chance to put the division significantly out of reach. They're not good enough on offense or in the bullpen. Big swings needed in the next month.