PCA and Cubs agree to a 6/$115M extension beginning in the 2027 season.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 24, 2026, 06:05:01 PMPCA and Cubs agree to a 6/$115M extension beginning in the 2027 season.
If he progresses as expected, this is a tremendous move by (and deal for) the Cubbies.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 07:46:44 PMIf he progresses as expected, this is a tremendous move by (and deal for) the Cubbies.
I hope he finally is able to leap up a scoreboard and steal a HR this year.
Scoop rules dictate I'm not allowed to be excited to watch Murakami
From ESPN:
"One (realistic) bold prediction: The White Sox improved by 19 wins from 2024's all-time disastrous season. ...... look for the late innings to get better and the White Sox to improve another 19 wins. "
;D
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 24, 2026, 11:29:37 PMScoop rules dictate I'm not allowed to be excited to watch Murakami
ESPN ROY Prediction:
Our pick: Kevin McGonigle (12 votes)
Who else received votes? Munetaka Murakami (5),
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 24, 2026, 11:29:37 PMScoop rules dictate I'm not allowed to be excited to watch Murakami
This is correct. And it should apply to more than just Scoop.
Shut this thread down right now. The Dodgers have already won the 2026 World Series.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 10:50:43 AMShut this thread down right now. The Dodgers have already won the 2026 World Series.
Would be very, very surprised if they do not.
Thank god they've had to trade their farm system away so if wear and tear or serious injuries grind them down teams will have a shot.
Wait, never mind. They just have the top farm system in baseball to replace any players who might miss time.
And a short drive north, Malibu has some very sandy beaches
The Athletic's Keith Law picks the Yankees, Tigers, Mariners, Mets, Cubs and Dodgers to win their divisions. He says the Orioles, Blue Jays, Red Sox, Phillies, Pirates and Giants will be the wild-card teams.
The Orioles, Tigers, Phillies and Cubs will advance in the wild-card round. In the NLDS, the Phillies will beat the Dodgers and the Mets will beat the Cubs. In the ALDS, the Mariners will beat the Orioles and the Tigers will beat the Yankees.
The Mets will beat the Phillies for the NL pennant, and the Mariners will take the Tigers for the AL crown. The Mariners will then win their first World Series championship.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7142103/2026/03/25/mlb-predictions-2026-divisions-postseason/?
All of which probably means the Mariners and Mets won't even make the playoffs.
Chourio going on the DL due to a HPB from an AB during an exhibition game ahead of the WBC so that's cool.
Skenes lit up by Mets and can't get out of the first inning. Peralta not exactly spectacular early on, either.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 01:22:06 PMSkenes lit up by Mets and can't get out of the first inning. Peralta not exactly spectacular early on, either.
Skenes got no help from his defense
Brewers a gave up a lead off homer to the White Sox. White Sox fans can't even celebrate it and the Brewers season on life support already.
Phew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Worse curse? The flag or the Ben Johnson handshake?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Miz only went 5, pretty sure that's an auto-forfeit.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
Glad we saved up all those runs from October for today.
BrewCrew offense looked exciting today
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 04:28:06 PMWorse curse? The flag or the Ben Johnson handshake?
Definitely the Johnson handshake.
What's interesting is the Brewers have won a game since flying the L. The Cubs? They have not. Makes you wonder.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:59:16 PMDefinitely the Johnson handshake.
That's reeko's favorite.
Twins lost, and our season is over.
Anyone playing MLB 26? I have 25 and don't really need it, but I will probably buy in the next couple of days anyway. The game is just gorgeous. May need to play with a different team though.. Brewers may be it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 06:20:24 PMThat's reeko's favorite.
Twins lost, and our season is over.
Anyone playing MLB 26? I have 25 and don't really need it, but I will probably buy in the next couple of days anyway. The game is just gorgeous. May need to play with a different team though.. Brewers may be it.
Again, I'm flattered but not interested. We all agree you need to live your life in the open, though. Don't be a Lindsay Graham, be proud of who you are.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 01:23:05 PMSkenes got no help from his defense
True ... but it's still funny to see Skenes with a 67.50 ERA.
Rumors are that last weekend's warm weather got the Wrigley piss smell near midseason form already.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 26, 2026, 04:27:03 PMPhew! Brewers broke the curse of the flying L flag. Never thought we'd win a game again.
yeah well that's because they flew the wrong L flag like some heathens.
Nico Hoerner six year extension with Cubs.
Are the White Sox eliminated yet?
I'm choosing to "forget" that the Guardians called up Chase DeLauter for the playoffs last season and will celebrate his HR in his first at bat (and two in his first game). The DeLauter era has begun in Cleveland. Or rather, the Ramirez-DeLauter era...gotta give Jose his props.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2026, 09:35:18 PMNico Hoerner six year extension with Cubs.
Never gonna be a slugger like Sandberg or Uggla at 2B, but dude is fantastic with the glove. I think he had the highest WAR amongst 2B last year even without hitting that prolific.
Cubs now have guys that won a GG in the last 3 years at 3 of the 4 infield positions. And the only guy not in that class (Busch) finished top 15 in the NL MVP voting last year. Putting together a really solid team for the next few years including the PCA extension. If Swanson could find some form again, they could be really dangerous.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 26, 2026, 11:21:51 PMAre the White Sox eliminated yet?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7Tk4MA1QEi8DhwU_JlY2WZh7dXDzLMPHKAPeiIRoXkkTOmFvPqEMPgmY&s)
Shocked that the Seattle Times Mariner 2026 Preview Section was wrong and they wont go undefeated this season.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 10:50:43 AMShut this thread down right now. The Dodgers have already won the 2026 World Series.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 27, 2026, 10:25:41 AMNever gonna be a slugger like Sandberg or Uggla at 2B, but dude is fantastic with the glove. I think he had the highest WAR amongst 2B last year even without hitting that prolific.
Cubs now have guys that won a GG in the last 3 years at 3 of the 4 infield positions. And the only guy not in that class (Busch) finished top 15 in the NL MVP voting last year. Putting together a really solid team for the next few years including the PCA extension. If Swanson could find some form again, they could be really dangerous.
In reality, he is one of the best hitters on the team. If the Brewers are leading by 1run in the 9th with runners in scoring position, he is the one guy I don't wanna see at the plate.
Quote from: Jockey on March 27, 2026, 03:07:36 PMIn reality, he is one of the best hitters on the team. If the Brewers are leading by 1run in the 9th with runners in scoring position, he is the one guy I don't wanna see at the plate.
Yep. Good player. Him and Turang are the guys in the NL
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 27, 2026, 11:49:35 AMShocked that the Seattle Times Mariner 2026 Preview Section was wrong and they wont go undefeated this season.
Shocked - shocked! - that you're still obsessing about what others say about the Mariners and Seahawks.
Just go with your gut: Both teams suck. That belief of yours was right on last season!
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2026, 05:06:47 PMShocked - shocked! - that you're still obsessing about what others say about the Mariners and Seahawks.
Just go with your gut: Both teams suck. That belief of yours was right on last season!
I can't believe the Seattle media would think the Mariners are good after last year. The Times have them having a successful season? Based on what?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2026, 06:39:52 AMI'm choosing to "forget" that the Guardians called up Chase DeLauter for the playoffs last season and will celebrate his HR in his first at bat (and two in his first game). The DeLauter era has begun in Cleveland. Or rather, the Ramirez-DeLauter era...gotta give Jose his props.
...and DeLauter homers in his first AB in game two. That 3 HR in his first 6 MLB (regular season) ABs. Nice start, kid.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2026, 05:28:00 PMI can't believe the Seattle media would think the Mariners are good after last year. The Times have them having a successful season? Based on what?
Through two games, Seattle's 2-3-4 hitters (Raleigh, Rodriguez, Naylor) are a combined 0-for-22 with 12 Ks. Why didn't the Seattle Times predict that?
Looks like the Seattle Times revised their prediction to 161 - 1
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2026, 11:26:02 PMThrough two games, Seattle's 2-3-4 hitters (Raleigh, Rodriguez, Naylor) are a combined 0-for-22 with 12 Ks. Why didn't the Seattle Times predict that?
Cade Horton has given up two runs or fewer in his last 13 starts.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2026, 02:28:25 PMLooks like the Seattle Times revised their prediction to 161 - 1
And you've revised your prediction to 1-161.
These prices cannot be legit...at least face value:
https://x.com/TheKevinDalton/status/2037905691084767428
Yet the Dodgers will probably draw another 4 million fans again this year. If this guy is so concerned about prices then he should park in lot 13 for $5. It's a bit of a walk, but doable. Food and drinks too expensive? Bring your own. The Dodgers allow you to bring in almost any snacks and beverages you want. I'd rather grab a Dodger dog and a beer, but to each his own. People like to complain about everything nowadays.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on March 28, 2026, 06:36:06 PMYet the Dodgers will probably draw another 4 million fans again this year. If this guy is so concerned about prices then he should park in lot 13 for $5. It's a bit of a walk, but doable. Food and drinks too expensive? Bring your own. The Dodgers allow you to bring in almost any snacks and beverages you want. I'd rather grab a Dodger dog and a beer, but to each his own. People like to complain about everything nowadays.
Next you'll be telling us that Dave Roberts is the best manager in baseball.
lolz
https://x.com/talkinbaseball_/status/2038297562872942849?s=46
Concerns that Murakami won't be able handle MLB velocity may have been overblown.
Is a 2.700 OPS good?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2026, 02:09:50 PMConcerns that Murakami won't be able handle MLB velocity may have been overblown.
Is a 2.700 OPS good?
It's a shame you can't enjoy him
What a game for the Brewers!
No quit in them.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2026, 02:09:50 PMConcerns that Murakami won't be able handle MLB velocity may have been overblown.
Is a 2.700 OPS good?
I was at the MLB flagship store in NYC today. Their entire Sox section is only Murakami jerseys. I thought maybe a Montgomery jersey or Tshirt, but no.
Quote from: Dish on March 29, 2026, 08:44:53 PMI was at the MLB flagship store in NYC today. Their entire Sox section is only Murakami jerseys. I thought maybe a Montgomery jersey or Tshirt, but no.
That is amazing
.... that they have a White Sox section. :D
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 27, 2026, 08:58:03 PM...and DeLauter homers in his first AB in game two. That 3 HR in his first 6 MLB (regular season) ABs. Nice start, kid.
Glad to get DeLauter out of town. What an opening series the kid had!
Was entertaining the idea of going to the Twins' opener on Friday afternoon. Issue is that the forecast is a high of 38. Massive snowstorms coming Thursday and Saturday as well.
Sometimes I miss the Dome.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 30, 2026, 11:58:54 AMWas entertaining the idea of going to the Twins' opener on Friday afternoon. Issue is that the forecast is a high of 38. Massive snowstorms coming Thursday and Saturday as well.
Sometimes I miss the Dome.
I hear ya. The Metrodome was a dump ... but you knew that if a game was scheduled, the game would be played. And you didn't have to wear a parka, ski hat and gloves to watch it.
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 12:49:28 PMI hear ya. The Metrodome was a dump ... but you knew that if a game was scheduled, the game would be played. And you didn't have to wear a parka, ski hat and gloves to watch it.
Minnesotans are marshmallow soft. Green Bay fans would be there in tee shirts and shorts.
Brewers are reportedly close to signing prospect Cooper Pratt to an eight-year extension worth around $50M, with two additional years of club options. Interesting move for someone who is starting his first season in AAA.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on March 30, 2026, 05:45:17 PMBrewers are reportedly close to signing prospect Cooper Pratt to an eight-year extension worth around $50M, with two additional years of club options. Interesting move for someone who is starting his first season in AAA.
The most amazing part of this story is that it was reported by Bob Nightengale and he didn't f it up
Brewers sweep looking a touch more impressive now.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 30, 2026, 06:51:45 PMBrewers sweep looking a touch more impressive now.
The Sox and Rockies have put MLB on notice!
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 10:57:28 AMGlad to get DeLauter out of town. What an opening series the kid had!
Starting your career with the AL Player of the Week recognition must be a rush. Hope the kid can keep it up. The Guardians could use another live bat in the lineup.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HEsMj_oWcAIdZpu.jpg)
Kind of hoping the Ashby usage slows down a bit. It seemed he was overused at the end of last year.
Last night, the Yankees challenged five ball/strike calls by Mike Estabrook ... and won all five challenges. But they still lost the game.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/breaking-news/article/yankees-correctly-challenge-5-straight-missed-calls-in-loss-to-mariners-aaron-boone-and-umpire-mike-estabrook-exchange-words-042950906.html?
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 09:26:32 AMLast night, the Yankees challenged five ball/strike calls by Mike Estabrook ... and won all five challenges. But they still lost the game.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/breaking-news/article/yankees-correctly-challenge-5-straight-missed-calls-in-loss-to-mariners-aaron-boone-and-umpire-mike-estabrook-exchange-words-042950906.html?
I'm convinced this year is to embarrass the umps and go full ABS next year.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 31, 2026, 11:18:02 AMI'm convinced this year is to embarrass the umps and go full ABS next year.
I'm here for all the CB Bucknor highlights.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 31, 2026, 11:18:02 AMI'm convinced this year is to embarrass the umps and go full ABS next year.
I find it hard to get into/care about early season baseball. Opening Day is fun, but between March Madness, NBA home stretch, end of the EPL/CL, and NHL playoffs, I don't do much more than keep track of the Cubs record/trends/stats. As such, I usually scroll right by the majority of MLB highlights or posts on X or other social media for the next few months.
HOWEVA, ABS has changed that social media piece in a big way. It's absolutely ELECTRIC. The crowd pops are like a WWE event. And that's just for mid game challenges. The reaction when it finally comes to a big game/big moment decisive challenge is gonna be tremendous.
But at this point, I don't know how it's not coming ASAP. Home plate umps get the ball/strike call in their ear and call it that way, only out there to make judgment calls on base running/put outs/foul balls and relay the ABS. It's inevitable cause by mid summer we're gonna have so much real time interactions of how bad a lot of umps are.
I'm only sad that this happened 2 years after Angel Hernandez retired or we would have seen him absolutely try to fist fight people after a 10th successful ABS challenge
This was incredible.
https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/2039151216068809154?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
In the 6th inning of tonight's Cubs-Angels game, PCA misplayed a line drive into a double, and then Bregman couldn't handle a hot shot hit right at him. Angels scored twice.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 08:26:02 PMThis was incredible.
https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/2039151216068809154?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
CB making the NFL refs a lot of money tonight
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 08:26:02 PMThis was incredible.
https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/2039151216068809154?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Who says you can't drink and still do your job?
From The Athletic:
Less than two weeks after missing out on a spot on the Seattle Mariners' Opening Day roster, infielder Colt Emerson on Tuesday signed an extension with the M's that is the largest in history for any prospect yet to make his MLB debut.
The 20-year-old prospect's deal, The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal confirmed, is for eight years and $95 million — $13 million more than the Milwaukee Brewers signed MLB top prospect Jackson Chourio for in 2023. Chourio's eight-year, $82 million extension was the most lucrative contract offered to a player yet to debut in the majors at the time. Chourio was 19 and had barely played beyond Double A, where he totaled 128 games.
Wow. High risk, hopefully high reward.
Brewers just did the same thing with Cooper Pratt.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2026, 07:15:38 AMBrewers just did the same thing with Cooper Pratt.
There is some belief owners are going to use service time as a carrot towards a salary cap, in that they'll cut service time and the arbitration years if players agree to a salary cap. Theory being players can test the open market earlier and get a payday sooner than later.
Whether the players go for it, who knows? But I'm willing to bet we'll see a few more deals like this through the course of the year. The Brewers are allegedly pursuing this with a number of minor leaguers.
The problem with the strategy, of course, is if - as often happens - these prospects don't achieve MLB success.
I remember when Corey Patterson was an absolute can't-miss prospect; I'm guessing the Cubs are glad they didn't hand him $100M when he was in the minors.
The Brewers, Mariners and the many other non-Dodgers/Yankees/Mets franchises can't afford to just throw $100M away on multiple prospects.
I understand why they're doing it, and I hope they are right on all of these guys. But as I said, it's a big risk for what they hope will be a big reward.
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2026, 10:40:24 AMThe problem with the strategy, of course, is if - as often happens - these prospects don't achieve MLB success.
I remember when Corey Patterson was an absolute can't-miss prospect; I'm guessing the Cubs are glad they didn't hand him $100M when he was in the minors.
The Brewers, Mariners and the many other non-Dodgers/Yankees/Mets franchises can't afford to just throw $100M away on multiple prospects.
I understand why they're doing it, and I hope they are right on all of these guys. But as I said, it's a big risk for what they hope will be a big reward.
Of course, that's a risky proposition but Pratt's value per dollar would equate to an average player. If he's a 2-3 war player, it's a massive value.
His case is interesting because he's a Boras client. While Boras and the Brewers have a good history, it's still a bit jarring he let a client sign this deal. Maybe that's a bad sign!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 31, 2026, 10:23:00 PMWho says you can't drink and still do your job?
He's scheduled to be behind the plate at today's Brewers-Rays game. Should be fun!
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2026, 11:18:26 AMHe's scheduled to be behind the plate at today's Brewers-Rays game. Should be fun!
Miz pitching too.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2026, 03:12:34 PMMinnesotans are marshmallow soft. Green Bay fans would be there in tee shirts and shorts.
Wild take from a team who plays under a roof.
Anywho, a 5f game at Lambeau hits different then a 40f day at a baseball game.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 31, 2026, 11:30:08 AMI'm here for all the CB Bucknor highlights.
Red Sox blew his first game by getting two challenges wrong early in the game (along with 1 right). He had some terrible blatant misses later in the game but they couldn't challenge. I think the Reds got 5 or 6 overturned in the game.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 01, 2026, 12:13:26 PMRed Sox blew his first game by getting two challenges wrong early in the game (along with 1 right). He had some terrible blatant misses later in the game but they couldn't challenge. I think the Reds got 5 or 6 overturned in the game.
He called strike 3 on Geno Saurez on two consecutive pitches - complete with an exaggerated arm pump - only to have both calls overturned.
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2026, 12:33:14 PMHe called strike 3 on Geno Saurez on two consecutive pitches - complete with an exaggerated arm pump - only to have both calls overturned.
His pissy and annoyed face/demeanor on that second challenge, even before it was shown to be correct, was hilarious.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2026, 07:15:38 AMBrewers just did the same thing with Cooper Pratt.
Pratt was surprising. Emerson had great numbers in AA/AAA last year. Pratt was just decent in AA last season. That's not to say he won't turn into a good MLB player, but his numbers weren't "oh wow, lock him in good", IMO. Especially compared like for like to Emerson.
I'm at LGA this morning trying to get home, plane sits on tarmac for 90 minutes, then we have to go back to balance the weight of the plane.
United announces they will compensate $300 to 8 volunteers to take a later flight.
I go to get my daughter a Coke as we wait and the gate announces they have their volunteers, time to re-board.
We're standing waiting at the back of the line and right next to me is a very familiar voice. It's Tom Ricketts on his phone. He hangs up and I go "Hey Tom, the $300 isn't enough to entice you off this flight?".
He goes "Nah, I got bumped up to first class, I'm not giving that up."
Nice guy, talked to him for a while as we waited to board.
Quote from: Dish on April 01, 2026, 02:08:53 PMI'm at LGA this morning trying to get home, plane sits on tarmac for 90 minutes, then we have to go back to balance the weight of the plane.
United announces they will compensate $300 to 8 volunteers to take a later flight.
I go to get my daughter a Coke as we wait and the gate announces they have their volunteers, time to re-board.
We're standing waiting at the back of the line and right next to me is a very familiar voice. It's Tom Ricketts on his phone. He hangs up and I go "Hey Tom, the $300 isn't enough to entice you off this flight?".
He goes "Nah, I got bumped up to first class, I'm not giving that up."
Nice guy, talked to him for a while as we waited to board.
I have had a lot of fun with LaGuardia the last week and a half.
* LGA is still under "flight management" from the crash a week and a half ago.
* My Monday morning flight for March 23 was obviously canceled immediately after the crash. I enjoy completely rearranging travel schedules at 5:00am. (Fly to alternate location.)
* My Monday morning flight for March 30 was cancelled, but at least they let me know Sunday evening so I was able to schedule something reasonable.
* My meetings in Alabama ended sooner than planned and my scheduled late afternoon flight from Atlanta was already delayed an hour so I managed to catch an earlier flight back to LGA. I had to give up my Comfort Plus aisle seat for a window in Economy. No baseball owners were on my flight.
* Carry-on luggage is out of control.
Tough start of the year for the Pale Hose. On pace to have a -750 run differential. :o
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 01, 2026, 10:43:27 AMOf course, that's a risky proposition but Pratt's value per dollar would equate to an average player. If he's a 2-3 war player, it's a massive value.
His case is interesting because he's a Boras client. While Boras and the Brewers have a good history, it's still a bit jarring he let a client sign this deal. Maybe that's a bad sign!
Pratt's defense is such that it probably gives you a pretty good 2 WAR floor. If he does jackcrap with the bat it's a win.
I could see them trying this with Made but with the idea that they will let him fester in the minors much longer than they need to. Worked on Chourio - we will see if it works on Made
When I realized that the Guardians were going to start the season with seven games on the road against Seattle and the Dodgers, I would have happily accepted a 4-3 record in those games. Solid start for the season.
That's tough for Cade Horton. Guy looked like a stud.
19-year-old Konnor Griffin, rated the #1 prospect in baseball, made his MLB debut today at SS for the Pirates.
Came up for the first time in the second inning and, after just barely fouling off a pitch to keep his AB alive, he laced an RBI double into the gap. He then scored on a single. The opening-day crowd went wild.
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2026, 04:14:07 PMThat's tough for Cade Horton. Guy looked like a stud.
TJ?
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2026, 04:14:07 PMThat's tough for Cade Horton. Guy looked like a stud.
Thankfully, Chicago fans believe there's no amount of injuries to star players that can derail a season.
Incredible start to Sproat's Brewers career.
The Angels beat the Mariners 1-0 as RF Jo Adell robbed not 1 ... not 2 ... but 3 HRs. The last catch, in the 9th inning, was especially amazing.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2026, 12:29:10 AMThe Angels beat the Mariners 1-0 as RF Jo Adell robbed not 1 ... not 2 ... but 3 HRs. The last catch, in the 9th inning, was especially amazing.
I was wondering why all the stars on the mariners are hitting .038.
Quote from: Jockey on April 05, 2026, 06:52:26 AMI was wondering why all the stars on the mariners are hitting .038.
Yeah, just about the entire team hasn't hit this season. They're fortunate to be 4-5.
They have the same problem they had when they were struggling last season (before they got hot in September): It's either a HR or bust, and right now it's bust.
They've got very good pitching and it's a long season. Raleigh's not gonna get anywhere near 60 HR again, but he's gonna have more than zero.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2026, 10:26:55 AMYeah, just about the entire team hasn't hit this season. They're fortunate to be 4-5.
They have the same problem they had when they were struggling last season (before they got hot in September): It's either a HR or bust, and right now it's bust.
They've got very good pitching and it's a long season. Raleigh's not gonna get anywhere near 60 HR again, but he's gonna have more than zero.
Weird early season. Rookies are hitting better than veteran all-stars. I've never seen this many good players all be bad at once. It seems like the guys who played in the WBC are struggling the most.
The white Sox just swept the AL champions. I am indifferent about this.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 05, 2026, 07:25:09 PMThe white Sox just swept the AL champions. I am indifferent about this.
As you should be. Like a regular season win over UConn, enjoyment is forbidden.
At least one of the Chicago teams isn't in last place.
Willson Contreras deserves Mason Miller to the head
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 06, 2026, 06:52:24 PMWillson Contreras deserves Mason Miller to the head
He's just bringing The Cardinal Way to the Northeast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1seg05m/highlight_david_hamilton_catches_some_spikes_in/
Pete Crow for Four batting eighth huh
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 06, 2026, 08:28:07 PMPete Crow for Four batting eighth huh
Wonder how much of the Cubs sluggish start has to do with the karma of Ben Johnson's poor sportsmanship?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 09:47:28 PMWonder how much of the Cubs sluggish start has to do with the karma of Ben Johnson's poor sportsmanship?
They're still distracted with worry over Matt Shaw losing his best friend
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 09:47:28 PMWonder how much of the Cubs sluggish start has to do with the karma of Ben Johnson's poor sportsmanship?
Can't be cleansed til they move to Gary
https://x.com/CyrtHogg/status/1933312544069861472
This is the guy who is mad the Brewers have hit him with pitches too much...
Very on brand for Willllson to take revenge for a years-old personal grievance by cleating a former teammate of his new team in the 10th game of the season.
Cade Horton done for the season. Sh!tty break for him and the Cubs.
Thankfully, most pitchers come back from this, and many are better than ever.
RIP Davey Lopes
Davey will be missed. Part of the longest playing infield of all time. Garvey, Lopes, Russel, and Cey. 8 and a half seasons. 833 total games. Both records.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on April 08, 2026, 04:49:10 PMDavey will be missed. Part of the longest playing infield of all time. Garvey, Lopes, Russel, and Cey. 8 and a half seasons. 833 total games. Both records.
Lopes had the impossible task of managing the Brewers during the death rattle of the Selig era.
Miscalculations on talent from the major league level through the minors. Came in on the heels of a decade of misses left and right in the draft. Was given a lineup with power but one that was also prone to swinging and missing a lot. Little to no pitching talent or depth.
He did what he could but no one was succeeding with what he was given. Wasn't great with the media but couldn't blame him. Too bad the was he only shot at the big chair. Never had a chance
https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-release-city-connect-2-0-jerseys
Not a huge fan of these "Wisco" jerseys, but the sleeve patch with the barrelman is pretty awesome.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2026, 06:19:27 PMLopes had the impossible task of managing the Brewers during the death rattle of the Selig era.
Miscalculations on talent from the major league level through the minors. Came in on the heels of a decade of misses left and right in the draft. Was given a lineup with power but one that was also prone to swinging and missing a lot. Little to no pitching talent or depth.
He did what he could but no one was succeeding with what he was given. Wasn't great with the media but couldn't blame him. Too bad the was he only shot at the big chair. Never had a chance
To say he was not great with the media was an understatement. He viewed every media interaction like a personal affront.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 10, 2026, 07:52:23 AMhttps://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-release-city-connect-2-0-jerseys
Not a huge fan of these "Wisco" jerseys, but the sleeve patch with the barrelman is pretty awesome.
The first time I saw them, I did not like them. Especially, after last years... which I thought were great.
But the new ones have grown on me already. Personally, I'd remove the numbers on the front of the jersey because it just looks cluttered. Also, I'd have made the "Base Blue" have some sort of wave effect in the material, or in-thread some gold or silver on a diagonal to make them pop or shimmer like lake water.
Feels like they got close.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 08:26:05 AMThe first time I saw them, I did not like them. Especially, after last years... which I thought were great.
...
Feels like they got close.
Spiritually, they're going for exactly the right thing. The Brewers as "Wisconsin's team" is 100%. The miss is using the word "Wisco." That's like, what people from the Chicago burbs going to Door County might say.
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 10, 2026, 08:52:30 AMSpiritually, they're going for exactly the right thing. The Brewers as "Wisconsin's team" is 100%. The miss is using the word "Wisco." That's like, what people from the Chicago burbs going to Door County might say.
I think Wisco has been widely adopted statewide as well. There is Wisco-pop and several beers that use Wisco in them... Wisco-disco... a bar in Madison is called the Wisco, and there is the Wisco Hotel group.
It's just a shame Udder Tuggers is already being used.
They're just mid. Not great, not offensive. They look like little league uniforms, but so do most of the City Connect jerseys (including the Brewers' previous version, which were admittedly better than these but the light blue is now a regular uniform color so I get the redesign).
I've definitely been to restaurants that have a "Wisco burger."
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 09:30:11 AMI think Wisco has been widely adopted statewide as well. There is Wisco-pop and several beers that use Wisco in them... Wisco-disco... a bar in Madison is called the Wisco, and there is the Wisco Hotel group.
I think the "
Ills" would be perfect for the CWS.
Wish they'd just call up Trey Parker and Matt Stone and fully adapt a "Milwaukee Beers" version as the city connects.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Baseketball.jpg)
The Mariners, Tigers, Cubs and Red Sox are in last place in their respective divisions. The Phillies and Blue Jays are barely out of last place in theirs.
It's early, and some of these teams obviously will turn things around. But some won't.
The people most mad about the "Wisco" thing are UW-Madison grads who hate when their university is referred to as Wisco.
However, the Brewers should remember their history and know how many people in the state fought against the stadium deal and how many people in Mequon won't go to the stadium because they have to pass through Milwaukee
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2026, 01:34:47 PMThe Mariners, Tigers, Cubs and Red Sox are in last place in their respective divisions. The Phillies and Blue Jays are barely out of last place in theirs.
It's early, and some of these teams obviously will turn things around. But some won't.
The Tigers, particularly the core of Greene, Carpenter, and Torkelson, continue to hit like it is the 2025 playoffs.
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2026, 02:06:39 PMThe Tigers, particularly the core of Greene, Carpenter, and Torkelson, continue to hit like it is the 2025 playoffs.
And the Mariners, particularly the core of Raleigh, Rodriguez and Naylor, are hitting like the Tigers did in the 2015 playoffs. 😜
Lord the Brewers need to find major league quality hitting at short and third until Made, Pratt, etc are ready. Ortiz especially needs to go. What an embarrassing AB to end the game last night, not a bit surprising though.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 03:04:51 PMRIP Davey Lopes
And now RIP Phil Garner
Anyone check on Rene Lachemann lately?
I thought the Noah Schultz hype done by the Sox/media was dumb. I still think he's not totally ready and came away tonight feeling the same after his debut.
Caleb Bonemer is going to be a stud.
I'm selling some Roch Cholowsky stock and buying some Vahn Lackey stock.
17 good games can get you $150 million. Just ask Kevin McGonigle.
The Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
QuoteIn 67 games since Aug. 2 of last season, Crow-Armstrong is slashing .195/.243/.290. The underlying metrics are even uglier.
Over that span, he's posted a wRC+ of 47, the worst mark in baseball among the 149 hitters who qualify. Rockies outfielder Jordan Beck is next at 55. His .270 xwOBA ranks 145th, while his actual wOBA (.234) is also dead last. His .095 isolated power, a measure of raw power output, ranks 135th in MLB, while his .246 BABIP is 130th.
Crow-Armstrong's approach seems to be at the heart of his decline. His 4.4% walk rate ranks 140th, well below the average of roughly 9%. And he's been worth -15.9 runs above average according to Fangraphs, by far the worst mark in baseball. That's a remarkable reversal of fortune after he burst onto the scene last year.
Crow-Armstrong has always been a free swinger, but that tendency has now reached an extreme level. In 2025, he chased 41.4% of pitches outside the strike zone. This season, that number has jumped to 49.2%, putting him in the first percentile of chase rate league-wide. The league average is generally around 30%, a gap that helps explain his struggles. And that's only part of it.
Crow-Armstrong swung at 80.4% of pitches he saw in the strike zone in 2025. This season, that has dropped to 70.9%. He is chasing more pitches off the plate while being less aggressive on the ones he should be attacking. His strikeout rate has risen from 23.1% in his first 107 games of 2025 to 27.0% since then, and is up to 30.1% this season.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2026, 10:08:46 AMThe Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
I still think this is the year he catches a fly ball a 100' over his head. I believe in him
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2026, 10:08:46 AMThe Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
I don't think they stink, I think they're missing 3 of the best five hitters.
Bullpen needs to pitch a lot better though.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 16, 2026, 10:25:11 AMI don't think they stink, I think they're missing 3 of the best five hitters.
Bullpen needs to pitch a lot better though.
Lost velocity from Megill and Uribe is a problem. I know Uribe closed the door last night but long term, I think it's wishful thinking unless that velocity returns.
Farm system depth will be helpful as they possibly look for arms out of the pen.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2026, 10:43:08 AMLost velocity from Megill and Uribe is a problem. I know Uribe closed the door last night but long term, I think it's wishful thinking unless that velocity returns.
Farm system depth will be helpful as they possibly look for arms out of the pen.
Agree. Last year they had a few guys tick up in velocity as the season went on. Hoping it's the same this year. Neither are at an age that they *should* be losing velocity, especially Uribe.
Tigers back to .500 despite getting nothing from Greene, Carpenter, and Torkelson. Eventually, the offense has to carry its share.
Since Valdez got torched for a 6 run first inning on April 8, over the course 6 games and 8 innings, Tigers pitchers have allowed a total of 10 runs. Saving Detroit's bacon.
Hoping the Brew Crew can tread water until their hitters come back in May. The bullpen is definitely a concern early on though.
The Dodgers and Mets convened next to Robinson's statue before their game, as Dodgers manager Dave Roberts addressed the players. "You look at New York, you look at Los Angeles, probably the two most diverse cities in the world. Jackie would look back and be very proud that the guys that are suiting up tonight reflect his dream, his vision on what equality, unity look like."
Too woke, sure, but still very well-said.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2026, 11:17:16 AMThe Dodgers and Mets convened next to Robinson's statue before their game, as Dodgers manager Dave Roberts addressed the players. "You look at New York, you look at Los Angeles, probably the two most diverse cities in the world. Jackie would look back and be very proud that the guys that are suiting up tonight reflect his dream, his vision on what equality, unity look like."
Too woke, sure, but still very well-said.
And then they were mugged and shot
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2026, 11:39:42 AMAnd then they were mugged and shot
By trans immigrants.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 16, 2026, 10:08:46 AMThe Brewers stink, but at least we aren't paying MVPete over $100MM.
They don't pay him for this batting, they pay him because no HR is safe when he's out there.
Will Aaron Ashby win 30 games?
Jim Wilkonson has to be working as a consultant for the Brewers at this point.
Hilltoppers will know.
Tower jinx.
But the bats came through.
RIP Garrett Anderson.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 17, 2026, 01:10:11 PMRIP Garrett Anderson.
I'd pay to watch him, but not Scott Rolen. 53 is way too young.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 16, 2026, 10:43:08 AMLost velocity from Megill and Uribe is a problem. I know Uribe closed the door last night but long term, I think it's wishful thinking unless that velocity returns.
Megill's average fastball this April so far is 97.7 mph, the exact same as his average speed from last April. Expect that to build up as it did last season.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 17, 2026, 04:17:53 PMMegill's average fastball this April so far is 97.7 mph, the exact same as his average speed from last April. Expect that to build up as it did last season.
I'm going off what the beat writer has been writing. Yesterday was encouraging.
https://x.com/jomboymedia/status/2045571756967014725?s=46
The entire AL has 4 teams with a winning record.
The NL Central has 5.
I shall name him PCAT
https://x.com/11point7/status/2046760601960292564?s=46
The absence of a salary cap in MLB is so scary that the San Diego Padres just sold for a record $3.9 billion.
https://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:05:14 AMhttps://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
Not even the rats like the urinals at the dump
https://x.com/baseballquotes1/status/2045504585607823796?s=46
This checks out.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 11:09:07 AMhttps://x.com/baseballquotes1/status/2045504585607823796?s=46
This checks out.
And the Cubs have to play home games in that same field when there's bad weather in Chicago. So congrats?
I've never heard of an enclosed building taking water damage before you shared this.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:05:14 AMhttps://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
I can't load twitter at work (don't report me Keefe!) but I assume this is a picture of Steve Bartman?
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 10:02:30 AMThe absence of a salary cap in MLB is so scary that the San Diego Padres just sold for a record $3.9 billion.
No salary cap but a Competitive Balance Tax.
Total Tax Paid: T
otal assessments for 2025 exceeded $400 million.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 11:09:07 AMhttps://x.com/baseballquotes1/status/2045504585607823796?s=46
This checks out.
Stadium not built for consecutive 100 year flooding, got it
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:05:14 AMhttps://x.com/marcusleshock/status/2046774320119091268?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2046774320119091268%7Ctwgr%5E4c4426e1a8361655cc546e6922b779b7720f5da4%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fmlb%2Fcubs%2Fwrigley-field-rat-running-wild-spooks-phillies-dugout
This checks out.
100 year old building in major city has a rat in it, got it
It's not even that Murakami is on fire, but his homers are bombs. It's amazing he signed with the Sox.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 04:58:50 PM100 year old building in major city has a rat in it, got it
But enough about the Ricketts
Depaul head coach did an admittedly excellent job with the national anthem today.
(https://i.imgur.com/eRZiwEd.jpeg)
Mariners with a nice road sweep of the Fightin' Yadis.
PCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2026, 06:49:21 PMPCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
*MVPete
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2026, 06:49:21 PMPCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
That's two flyballs that I've seen PCA turn into doubles this season; he didn't get charged with errors on either, so they don't go against his fielding stats. Not saying he's anything but a very good outfielder, but the hype is way overboard. He hasn't hit much since last July, either.
Crazy day for ABS yesterday.
The Mets thought they had a bases-loaded walk but the ball was challenged and changed to an inning-ending strikeout. It was as close as they came to scoring in a loss to Colorado.
Mariners pinch-hitter Rob Refsnyder was called out in the ninth inning on a pitch several inches out of the strike zone. But he challenged the call, which was overturned, and then hit a game-winning home run at St. Louis.
There have been complaints, but the ABS system, by and large, seems to be doing its job.
I just saw retired New York Yankee first baseman, Tino Martinez, in the LaGuardia Delta lounge.
ABS has been great. I think it shows that umps by and large do a very good job, and there is no need to have "robot umps," but its nice to have a challenge in place during high leverage situations.
Manfred gets a lot of grief, but the rules instituted during his tenure has made the game 100% more watchable.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 27, 2026, 10:11:20 AMABS has been great. I think it shows that umps by and large do a very good job, and there is no need to have "robot umps," but its nice to have a challenge in place during high leverage situations.
Manfred gets a lot of grief, but the rules instituted during his tenure has made the game 100% more watchable.
Manfred hates baseball, which is good because all of his additions have improved it. Now figure out how we can all actually watch the sport.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2026, 06:49:21 PMPCA with the catch of the year
https://bsky.app/profile/chadmoriyama.bsky.social/post/3mkefbmvygc23
I'm not going to die on the hill of 'PCA is bad at defense', because he's most certainly not.
That said, his spacial judgement on flyballs over his head is sub-zero, and it results in everything looking a lot harder than it should. As such, normies think that they're looking at the second coming of Willie Mays.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 27, 2026, 10:11:20 AMABS has been great. I think it shows that umps by and large do a very good job, and there is no need to have "robot umps," but its nice to have a challenge in place during high leverage situations.
Manfred gets a lot of grief, but the rules instituted during his tenure has made the game 100% more watchable.
Yup. MLB umps are pretty damn good. Most of the reversed calls have been on pitches less than an inch out of the zone.
Every once in a while, a pitch that misses by several inches gets called a strike. Those are the rare exceptions, and they're always surprising. Glad the ABS system exists to reverse those.
Mason Miller's scoreless streak finally came to an end last night. But it might still be intact if the third-base umpire didn't blow a call that let the Cubs' leadoff batter reach on a pretty obvious foul ball.
Unfortunately, MLB replay rules don't allow challenges on such plays. You can challenge a ball/strike call that might be 1 centimeter off, but you can't challenge whether a batted ball is fair or foul. Dopey.
EDIT: I was wrong about the ball being foul, as the link in Sultan's post showed. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last time!
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2026, 11:30:49 AMMason Miller's scoreless streak finally came to an end last night. But it might still be intact if the third-base umpire didn't blow a call that let the Cubs' leadoff batter reach on a pretty obvious foul ball.
Unfortunately, MLB replay rules don't allow challenges on such plays. You can challenge a ball/strike call that might be 1 centimeter off, but you can't challenge whether a batted ball is fair or foul. Dopey.
As I understand it, if any part of the ball is over the plane of the baseline, and is touched by a player, it is a fair ball. So, while you can see dirt in that picture, the ball may still be fair since a portion of it was over the base line.
https://www.closecallsports.com/2023/07/why-was-this-ball-called-fair-in-new.html?m=1#google_vignette
Quote from: The Sultan on April 28, 2026, 11:46:17 AMAs I understand it, if any part of the ball is over the plane of the baseline, and is touched by a player, it is a fair ball. So, while you can see dirt in that picture, the ball may still be fair since a portion of it was over the base line.
https://www.closecallsports.com/2023/07/why-was-this-ball-called-fair-in-new.html?m=1#google_vignette
Thanks for that explainer. While I still think replay should be available for these kinds of plays, it looks like the ball on this particular play was, indeed, fair. Mea culpa.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2026, 12:11:59 PMThanks for that explainer. While I still think replay should be available for these kinds of plays, it looks like the ball on this particular play was, indeed, fair. Mea culpa.
The problem is that there isn't a camera angle better than where the ump stands to make that call.
PCA with a low and outside breaking ball on 0-2
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Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 28, 2026, 07:16:35 PMPCA with a low and outside breaking ball on 0-2
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuh5q28G45IBQUjbsGMc2GQQ0Ty9vG8Y-CrrlSMM_GsWNNq0pnwJIPBwU&s=10)
Lol kind of looks like him.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2026, 07:32:23 PMLol kind of looks like him.
Well yeah it's a picture of him
Wow both Chicago teams two games back. Baseball town
Looking at third order records, the Reds are currently outperforming their numbers by 5.4 wins!
https://claydavenport.com/stats/standings.html
Tigers put all that money into starting pitching but the best they could do at closer was 106-year-old Kenley Jansen?
The many whispers saying the white Sox are back are growing louder
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2026, 09:09:00 PMTigers put all that money into starting pitching but the best they could do at closer was 106-year-old Kenley Jansen?
Three relievers who have seasons with 20+ saves. Vest, Finnegan, Jansen.
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 29, 2026, 11:29:18 PMThe many whispers saying the white Sox are back are growing louder
I'm sure I'll jinks them, but is 70 wins in the cards?
This endeth the Brewers career of Brandon Woodruff
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2026, 01:20:43 PMThis endeth the Brewers career of Brandon Woodruff
Hard not to think about all of the sand that $22M QO could have purchased
When Skubal called timeout and started massaging his elbow and forearm last night, my first thought was that Detroit had dodged a $400 million bullet.
Seriously, I think Detroit still tries to sign him, but final decision won't be until after the CBA is signed and they know what they have to work with.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 30, 2026, 02:14:03 PMHard not to think about all of the sand that $22M QO could have purchased
A LOT
Quote from: tower912 on April 30, 2026, 05:56:33 AMThree relievers who have seasons with 20+ saves. Vest, Finnegan, Jansen.
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
The Athletic had an article recently about how the days of the full-time closer is going away due to analytics.
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2026, 09:09:00 PMTigers put all that money into starting pitching but the best they could do at closer was 106-year-old Kenley Jansen?
To be totally fair, age aside, Jansen was actually pretty damn good last year, albeit on a very mediocre team. His WHIP was under 1 for the first time since his peak in the mid 2010s where he was a monster on those Dodgers teams, even more significant since he's lost some juice and is pitching to contact a lot more than he used to. He's not been good this year, but its not like they signed someone who was absolute toast/had been showing signs of being done.
You'd think this may be his last year, maybe 1 more if someone will pay him, but will be one of the most fascinating HOF level careers in awhile. Made it to AAA as a catcher, good enough to start for the Dutch in the WBC, but didn't have a great bat. Didn't start pitching till he was 22 and in less than a year he was good enough to get promoted to the majors. By his late 20s he was the best closer in baseball for a good 3 years. Fell off a bit during/after COVID then rebounded and was really good for the Red Sox and Braves and is gonna pitch till he was almost 40 without ever missing a chunk of time with injury. He's basically right at the HOF probability level where everyone above him is in.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 30, 2026, 03:13:02 PMThe Athletic had an article recently about how the days of the full-time closer is going away due to analytics.
No one wants to work anymore
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 30, 2026, 04:52:39 PMNo one wants to work anymore
I get the joke, but it's more of having a rotation of closers than a lockdown every day closer like the old school guys like Mariano, Sutter, Mark Davis, Eck, etc.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 30, 2026, 01:20:43 PMThis endeth the Brewers career of Brandon Woodruff
weird
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 30, 2026, 02:14:03 PMHard not to think about all of the sand that $22M QO could have purchased
to be fair there's nothing in the last 4 years that could've shown that he's injury prone.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 30, 2026, 06:47:26 PMweird to be fair there's nothing in the last 4 years that could've shown that he's injury prone.
I thought it was worth a 1-year flier. If it had been a multi-year deal, that would have been a different story. Offering the qualifying offer was the right move, 1-year deal and had he declined, extra draft pick.
I think it depends on the game situation. If you have a one run lead in the seventh facing the 3, 4, and 5 hitters with a guy on second, that may be the most important time to use your best reliever.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 30, 2026, 03:33:17 PMTo be totally fair, age aside, Jansen was actually pretty damn good last year, albeit on a very mediocre team. His WHIP was under 1 for the first time since his peak in the mid 2010s where he was a monster on those Dodgers teams, even more significant since he's lost some juice and is pitching to contact a lot more than he used to. He's not been good this year, but its not like they signed someone who was absolute toast/had been showing signs of being done.
You'd think this may be his last year, maybe 1 more if someone will pay him, but will be one of the most fascinating HOF level careers in awhile. Made it to AAA as a catcher, good enough to start for the Dutch in the WBC, but didn't have a great bat. Didn't start pitching till he was 22 and in less than a year he was good enough to get promoted to the majors. By his late 20s he was the best closer in baseball for a good 3 years. Fell off a bit during/after COVID then rebounded and was really good for the Red Sox and Braves and is gonna pitch till he was almost 40 without ever missing a chunk of time with injury. He's basically right at the HOF probability level where everyone above him is in.
He's had a fine career. I'm glad he's not my team's closer in 2026.
With Yelich, Churio, and Vaughn already injured, the Crew loses Woodruff and Miz on back-to-back days.
Someone else will finally win the Central. If not, all 4 managers should be fired.
Really unfortunate for the Brewers they are the only team with injuries.
Murakami & Montgomery new M&M boys.
Miz is fine. Who knows with Woodruff. They get Chourio and Vaughn back in a few days. They've weathered the storm and played above .500 baseball. Rotation has been great, offense is coming around.
Quote from: Dish on May 01, 2026, 10:14:11 PMMurakami & Montgomery new M&M boys.
Dare I say I'm having fun tuning in? A little!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 01, 2026, 09:29:58 PMReally unfortunate for the Brewers they are the only team with injuries.
Who said that? That's wild someone would say that.
Quote from: BM1090 on May 02, 2026, 12:00:39 AMMiz is fine. Who knows with Woodruff. They get Chourio and Vaughn back in a few days. They've weathered the storm and played above .500 baseball. Rotation has been great, offense is coming around.
Yeah, it will be interesting once the Brewers start playing more NL Central teams. Their schedule was very AL heavy to start the year.
It feels like the division will be a dog fight all year.
The Kyle Harrison trade has been great so far.
Quote from: tower912 on April 30, 2026, 05:56:33 AMThree relievers who have seasons with 20+ saves. Vest, Finnegan, Jansen.
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
Vest to the IL. (Jansen may follow) Joining Verlander, Mize, McKinstry, Meadows, Baez. Three all-stars, a HOF'er, starting CF. Other than that...
The Tigers are a hot mess right now.
Who do they think they are, the Lions?
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 02, 2026, 06:09:29 PMThe Kyle Harrison trade has been great so far.
Zerpa trade, on the other, though Collins is beginning to look like a 6-week wonder.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 02, 2026, 06:09:29 PMThe Kyle Harrison trade has been great so far.
If I were the Red Sox, I would start trade negotiations with the Brewers, and then simply not trade the players they're interested in
Long time New York Yankee radio broadcaster, John Sterling, passed away today at the age of 87.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 04, 2026, 12:45:51 PMLong time New York Yankee radio broadcaster, John Sterling, passed away today at the age of 87.
Vaxxed?
I didn't realize he was that old.
Skubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Why would anyone pay a pitcher market value. Invest in sand
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Woof for him and the Tigers. Paying pitchers has always been an iffy proposition but in the modern landscape of maximizing velocity, it feels doubly iffy.
Paying should mean paying a long term deal.
GREAT day for the Dodgers, though. Now they can offer him $500MM in the offseason (and defer $495MM of it) while nobody else will give him more than $300MM, rather than the $750MM they would've had to offer him otherwise.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Damn, that sucks.
Best case scenario, arthroscopic to clean out debris. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 04, 2026, 01:50:33 PMWhy would anyone pay a pitcher market value. Invest in sand
Yup. Trade a utility infielder for Kyle Harrison.
Better ERA for cheap.
Injuries no matta. Go find someone better in the portal.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2026, 01:34:54 PMSkubal having elbow surgery.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
doesn't sounds like anything major - cleaning out bone chips. I had that done once.
But yeah, that's why the Tigers were smart to not break the bank for him.
Garrett Mitchell caught that ball, BS overturn.
It's my analysis the Brewers are going to need some positive HR regression to be competitive this year.
Quote from: Dish on May 04, 2026, 07:39:14 PMGarrett Mitchell caught that ball, BS overturn.
https://x.com/i/status/2051461729742098546
Absolutely a catch.
I think it pops out of his glove in the image below and touches grass.
I don't know if there is enough evidence, however, to reverse the call.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 05, 2026, 02:14:31 PMI think it pops out of his glove in the image below and touches grass.
I don't know if there is enough evidence, however, to reverse the call.
Yeah this angle felt pretty clear. Still nearly a sick play
The Skubal injury is why it makes it even more insane to me that they pulled him in a game 5 with a 2-1 lead going into the 7th, having retired 13 straight batters and at 99 pitches. Pulling the best pitcher in the game, who is pitching at his best, in a win or go home game. Just wild. You were never going to pay him. Ride your horse.
Good for you, AJ Hinch. Much respect.
MLB continues to be doomed because of lack of salary cap.
From Yahoo Sports:
Nationally-televised MLB broadcasts are averaging 2.28 million viewers this season, a 44% increase over last year and the best mark since 2017. Attendance is also up 3% over last year, trending towards the league's fourth straight annual increase.
Quote from: MU82 on May 08, 2026, 09:07:52 AMMLB continues to be doomed because of lack of salary cap.
From Yahoo Sports:
Nationally-televised MLB broadcasts are averaging 2.28 million viewers this season, a 44% increase over last year and the best mark since 2017. Attendance is also up 3% over last year, trending towards the league's fourth straight annual increase.
Serious question. How many baseball games are nationally televised?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2026, 04:32:23 PMSerious question. How many baseball games are nationally televised?
No idea which games they are counting.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 08, 2026, 04:32:23 PMSerious question. How many baseball games are nationally televised?
My guess would be 150+.
Fox, FS1, ESPN, NBC, Apple
RIP Bobby Cox. One of the all-time respected managers.
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2026, 03:08:56 PMRIP Bobby Cox. One of the all-time respected managers.
Vaxxed?
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2026, 03:08:56 PMRIP Bobby Cox. One of the all-time respected managers.
One more ejection.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 09, 2026, 04:47:17 PMUnequivocally not
Was he drinking processed milk and not driving around with dead animal carcasses in his vehicle? Otherwise, if he wasn't vaxxed, I'm not sure how he would have died
Not enough time in the tanning bed.
Big loss of Cox...praying for JB
Cal Raleigh's last 9 games:
0-for-36, with 16 strikeouts.
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2026, 10:36:10 PMCal Raleigh's last 9 games:
0-for-36, with 16 strikeouts.
Even Joey Ortiz would've had a bloop single or two
Quote from: Jockey on May 08, 2026, 10:42:56 PMMy guess would be 150+.
Fox, FS1, ESPN, NBC, Apple
Out of 2430 games played each season that would be less than 10 percent of all games played.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 12, 2026, 06:04:20 AMEven Joey Ortiz would've had a bloop single or two
I highly doubt it
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 12, 2026, 06:36:26 AMOut of 2430 games played each season that would be less than 10 percent of all games played.
I'm actually surprised if it's that many.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 12, 2026, 08:58:35 AMI'm actually surprised if it's that many.
Each team plays a 162 game schedule. There are 30 teams. Since it takes 2 teams to play one game, 15 games x 162 scheduled = 2430 games. Not sure if you commenting on number of games played or nationally televised.
Nationally televised. I just don't think that many are shown to a national audience.
Depending on what you consider nationally televised, Google gives the following information:
- ESPN/ABC: 30 games (primarily weeknights)
- FOX/FS1: Over 85 games (includes "Baseball Night in America" on Saturdays)
- NBC/Peacock: 61 games (includes 25 "Sunday Night Baseball" games)
- Apple TV: 50 games ("Friday Night Baseball" has 2 games for 25 weeks)
Quote from: The Sultan on May 12, 2026, 08:58:35 AMI'm actually surprised if it's that many.
I was too, having never really thought about it.
I think it is more like 200 games now that I look at it. And that doesn't count the post-season where every game is nationally televised.
Quote from: MU82 on May 11, 2026, 10:36:10 PMCal Raleigh's last 9 games:
0-for-36, with 16 strikeouts.
.244 OBP. 2nd worst BA among all starters.
Yet, he is batting cleanup?
Chris Davis 2.0? Bout the same age as Davis when he fell off a cliff.
Quote from: Jockey on May 12, 2026, 11:51:35 AM.244 OBP. 2nd worst BA among all starters.
Yet, he is batting cleanup?
Chris Davis 2.0? Bout the same age as Davis when he fell off a cliff.
Quote from: Jockey on May 12, 2026, 11:51:35 AM.244 OBP. 2nd worst BA among all starters.
Yet, he is batting cleanup?
He was moved down from second in the order. He and his manager are both searching.
Ohtani (4-for-38, 0 HR in last 11 games) and Alvarez (7-for-38, 2 XBH in 10 May games) are also slumping now, too (though not as bad as Raleigh). It happens.
Quote from: MU82 on May 12, 2026, 12:08:44 PMHe was moved down from second in the order. He and his manager are both searching.
Ohtani (4-for-38, 0 HR in last 11 games) and Alvarez (7-for-38, 2 XBH in 10 May games) are also slumping now, too (though not as bad as Raleigh). It happens.
Vaxxed?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 12, 2026, 10:52:23 AMNationally televised. I just don't think that many are shown to a national audience.
When I asked the question, I was trying to think of when and where national MLB games are aired. I know about Sunday Night Baseball, but that was it. I don't think citing national broadcast numbers is a great measure of the sport, but I like that MLB is doing well.
I think baseball is in a good spot. I think some in the press use the NFL and maybe the NBA as a measuring stick, but that is unfair. It's kinda like using Google or Apple as the standard of financial performance.
I agree. With at least 8-10 games played every day for 6 months, it's apples/oranges to try to compare to the one game per week the NFL teams play.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on May 12, 2026, 04:47:22 PMI agree. With at least 8-10 games played every day for 6 months, it's apples/oranges to try to compare to the one game per week the NFL teams play.
Even the NBA and NHL play just a little over half as many game as baseball. Is there any sport that come close to playing 162 games every season?
Raleigh ran his hitless streak to 0-for-38 Tuesday before lining a single to right. He then followed with a hard hit to left in his next at-bat.
The previous night, after another 0-for-4 game, Raleigh showered while wearing his full uniform.
Teammate Logan Gilbert, he said, "gave me some good advice to wash off the bad mojo or juju from the baseball gods. So yeah, it worked. He was right, so I gotta give him credit where credit's due."
The white Sox *redacted* another thriller and have now *redacted* as many games so far this year vs KC as all last year.
Still quite the *redacted* season so far!
Point is still mad Miz got an All Star nod and doesn't see the excitement with him.
I am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
Quote from: Dish on May 13, 2026, 09:56:02 PMI am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
Cannot be excited about an AL team, sorry.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2026, 09:59:09 PMCannot be excited about an AL team, sorry.
You're right, probably needs its own underground forum.
Quote from: Dish on May 13, 2026, 09:56:02 PMI am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
I'm sure this will bite me in the ass but........ Go Go White Sox! ;D
Raleigh on the IL with an oblique strain.
Quote from: Dish on May 13, 2026, 09:56:02 PMI am declaring White Sox enthusiasm as officially back here on Scoop. They are now at .500 and would be a playoff team if the playoffs started today.
Will they make the playoffs? Probably not, but for the few Sox fans on here, rejoice at once again being able to enjoy the product here on Scoop!
Really think PCA could have had that one if he jumped. Probably gun shy after his narrow misses against the Brewers
Southside.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 17, 2026, 04:37:40 PMReally think PCA could have had that one if he jumped. Probably gun shy after his narrow misses against the Brewers
What are you referring to? Give me the rundown
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on May 17, 2026, 04:55:03 PMSouthside.
Sox 2 games over .500 and the A's in first place. Hell must be frozen over.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 17, 2026, 06:07:20 PMSox 2 games over .500 and the A's in fist place. Hell must be frozen over.
The A's are in JB's pickleball after party?
What? I love the Miz and always have. Made fun of the people who were mad he was an All-Star.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2026, 08:44:13 PMPoint is still mad Miz got an All Star nod and doesn't see the excitement with him.
Quote from: PointWarrior on May 18, 2026, 08:30:54 PMWhat? I love the Miz and always have. Made fun of the people who were mad he was an All-Star.
Sorry. Thought you were the poster who continuously went on about how dumb it was to have Miz in the All Star game. Must be confusing you for a different poster.
5-straight starts for the Miz without giving up an XBH and 8+ K's. Hasn't allowed a run in 4 straight starts. Throwing bb's at the moment.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 17, 2026, 06:50:46 PMThe A's are in JB's pickleball after party?
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/44669935/mlb-2025-pickleball-obsession-baseball-competitions-tournaments-rankings
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 20, 2026, 08:17:02 AMhttps://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/44669935/mlb-2025-pickleball-obsession-baseball-competitions-tournaments-rankings
Yeah, athletes play pickleball to relax.
Gold glover PCA having quite the week
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 20, 2026, 07:13:29 PMGold glover PCA having quite the week
He didn't exactly hustle after the ball once it got past him.
That Sox fan broke PCA.
Now Edwin Cabrera's season is over. I'm going to end up pitching for the Cubs by August.
Quote from: Dish on May 20, 2026, 07:27:20 PMThat Sox fan broke PCA.
Nah. I've seen him make several bad plays this season already, and I don't even watch that many Cubs games.
That's on top of him not hitting for nearly a year now - so bad that he's been dropped to 9th in the order.
He's obviously young enough to still have a great career (if he ever becomes consistently good enough), but right now he's an overrated ballplayer. And apparently a douchenozzle, too.
Quote from: Dish on May 20, 2026, 07:27:20 PMThat Sox fan broke PCA.
Eh, he's been trash since last August.
But he's by far my favorite Cub ever.
And for the love of god would you people show him some respect. It's MVPete.
How high did PCA jump to stop the ground ball HR?
The defense will come around. He's a great outfield. Never bought he could hit though, just had one long hot streak.
So much for the Cubs dominating the league.
The Milwaukee Brewers are so fun.
Just total domination of this Division for years. The NL Central is loaded this year though. Seems like a Division that will come down to the final week.
Aaron Judge last 10 games:
0 HR, 0 RBI, 13 K, .184 average.
Tough game, baseball. It happens even to the best sometimes.
Dodgers rollin into Milwaukee having won 7 out of their last 8. Brewers playing good ball, too. Should be a great weekend series.
Tigers last 18 games:
2-16
Woof.
Quote from: tower912 on April 30, 2026, 05:56:33 AMThe Tigers are a hot mess right now.
I knew there were problems 4 weeks ago.
Since then, endless injuries, <.200 team batting average, <3 runs per game. Several games unable to protect 2-1 or 3-2 leads late.
If you don't hit, you don't win.
Start hitting, get healthy. And hope the hole they have dug themselves isn't too deep.
RIP Charlie Moore, dead from the polio vaccine
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 25, 2026, 06:46:39 AMRIP Charlie Moore, dead from the polio vaccine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4sUPspVhig
Underrated member of the 1982 Brewers, one of the most fun teams to watch of all time.
From The Athletic:
The Brewers lead the National League Central. The Rays lead the American League East. The Guardians lead the AL Central. The Athletics, who play in West Sacramento, lead the AL West.
Their payroll rankings, according to Spotrac: 20th (Brewers), 21st (Athletics), 28th (Guardians), 29th (Rays).
Oh, and the Marlins, who rank 30th, just swept a weekend series from the Mets, who rank second. The last-place Mets are one of four teams among the top six in payroll below .500, with the Phillies, Blue Jays and Red Sox.
The biggest spenders in the AL Central, the Tigers, are in last place at 21-33, and the biggest spenders in the AL West, the Astros, are 23-31.
Nobody claims that payroll is meaningless. ... Top-tier payrolls are the ones that win the World Series. But one of these years, it stands to reason that a surprise team will break through and go all the way. That's just the nature of baseball.
Quote from: MU82 on May 25, 2026, 12:16:45 PMFrom The Athletic:
The Brewers lead the National League Central. The Rays lead the American League East. The Guardians lead the AL Central. The Athletics, who play in West Sacramento, lead the AL West.
Their payroll rankings, according to Spotrac: 20th (Brewers), 21st (Athletics), 28th (Guardians), 29th (Rays).
Oh, and the Marlins, who rank 30th, just swept a weekend series from the Mets, who rank second. The last-place Mets are one of four teams among the top six in payroll below .500, with the Phillies, Blue Jays and Red Sox.
The biggest spenders in the AL Central, the Tigers, are in last place at 21-33, and the biggest spenders in the AL West, the Astros, are 23-31.
Nobody claims that payroll is meaningless. ... Top-tier payrolls are the ones that win the World Series. But one of these years, it stands to reason that a surprise team will break through and go all the way. That's just the nature of baseball.
And none of them will be competitive with the Dodgers come October/November.
Wow Wander Franco skating by without penalty. What is he, a dentist from West Bend?
The Mariners, who have 6 viable starting pitchers, have been experimenting with "piggybacking" - using Bryce Miller or Luis Castillo to go 4-5 innings and then bringing in the other to (ideally) pitch the rest of the game.
A week ago, it went well until it didn't. Miller pitched 5+ shutout innings and was still dealing, so he was pizzed when he was taken out. Castillo did great for 2+ innings but, rather than bring in closer Andres Munoz to start the ninth in a 1-0 game, manager Dan Wilson stayed with Castillo, who promptly let the first two batters reach. Wilson then brought in Munoz, who gave up two soft singles that barely got through the infield, and the Mariners lost.
It went better yesterday, thanks in great part to Seattle scoring 7 early runs. This time, Castillo started and pitched 4 shutout innings, and then Miller worked the final 5. Still, Castillo is quite upset about the whole thing.
Seems unsustainable. I'm hoping that Castillo, who had a horrific first month but is now pitching better, keeps going well enough to attract trade offers from pitching-starved teams.
All 6 starters are right-handed, and the Mariners have one of baseball's top lefty prospects (Kade Anderson), who is killing it in the minors.
Wouldn't mind seeing Logan Gilbert dealt before he hits free agency, too. He's not a $25M pitcher IMHO, but he'd probably get at least that on the open market.
Why do Craig's teams seem to suck at hitting despite the roster talent
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 26, 2026, 08:04:07 PMWhy do Craig's teams seem to suck at hitting despite the roster talent
Beginning to wonder how many WS he cost the Brewers
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 26, 2026, 08:04:07 PMWhy do Craig's teams seem to suck at hitting despite the roster talent
Taking the identity of their manager.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 26, 2026, 08:40:57 PMBeginning to wonder how many WS he cost the Brewers
I think Yelich busting his knee cap in a freak accident hurt our chances more than Counsell. I feel he lost a year or two of his prime.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 26, 2026, 09:25:44 PMI think Yelich busting his knee cap in a freak accident hurt our chances more than Counsell. I feel he lost a year or two of his prime.
I was kidding but yes.
If the playoffs started today, the 27-28 Athletics would host the 27-28 Twins in the first round while the 29-25 Reds, 29-26 Pirates, 29-26 Cubs, 29-27 Nationals, and 28-27 Phillies watched them on TV.
Baseball is the best sometimes.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 26, 2026, 11:45:29 PMIf the playoffs started today, the 27-28 Athletics would host the 27-28 Twins in the first round while the 29-25 Reds, 29-26 Pirates, 29-26 Cubs, 29-27 Nationals, and 28-27 Phillies watched them on TV.
Baseball is the best sometimes.
Those teams have all been mediocre, and they're all within a couple games of each other - the "best" (Reds) have a 2.5-game lead on the "worst" (A's and Twins). The standings have quirks at the 1/3 mark of lots of seasons. And the playoffs don't start today.
Not sure I've ever seen this streaky of a team:
- Win 10 in a row
- Lose 3 in a row
- Win 10 in a row
- Lose 4 in a row
- Win 2 in a row
- Lose 10 in a row
Overall that comes to 22-17 (.564) which would be a 91 win season extended out.
Funny thing is with injuries, they've already used 26 pitchers, however, the pitching has been fine for the most part.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 08:18:11 AMThose teams have all been mediocre, and they're all within a couple games of each other - the "best" (Reds) have a 2.5-game lead on the "worst" (A's and Twins). The standings have quirks at the 1/3 mark of lots of seasons. And the playoffs don't start today.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious ;)
I expect 1/3 season quirks. I'm not sure I've ever seen a division having more teams above .500 than an entire league this deep into the season before.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 27, 2026, 10:18:10 AMThank you for pointing out the obvious ;)
I expect 1/3 season quirks. I'm not sure I've ever seen a division having more teams above .500 than an entire league this deep into the season before.
I'm just saying, don't read too much into what the standings say on May 27. Or do, if that floats your boat.
Things can get flipped pretty fast this time of year. Less than 3 weeks ago, the Cubs had the best record in baseball and a 5 1/2 game lead over the Brewers.
Seeing as how Counsel has been unable to move the needle at all in Chicago (and will almost certainly be fired if the last place Cubbies miss the Playoffs), is there a discussion to be had over his success in Milwaukee and whether Murph had as much or more influence on it?
Clearly there is a hierarchy of managers in MLB. Mitch, Cash, and Vogt are clearly on top.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AMSeeing as how Counsel has been unable to move the needle at all in Chicago
Wrong.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AM(and will almost certainly be fired if the last place Cubbies miss the Playoffs)
Wrong.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 11:51:00 AMis there a discussion to be had over his success in Milwaukee and whether Murph had as much or more influence on it?
Yes.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2026, 11:54:08 AMWrong.
Wrong.
Yes.
I think Counsell will get the ax if the Cubs miss the playoffs.
Murphy isn't some tactical baseball genius but he is pretty good at handling the team on a day-to-day basis and understanding the roster makeup. He has in game and pitcher management issues. He makes up for it with keeping the team focused and loose.
Counsell's last year in Milwaukee was the opposite of that but he had some guys on that team that I'm not sure the manager would have made that much of a difference. Burnes was pouty all year, heck, even going back to '22 and Winker was a problem when around. He didn't handle the young guys all that well that year, either. Prior to that, his clubhouses/culture were quite good.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 12:13:19 PMI think Counsell will get the ax if the Cubs miss the playoffs.
Ricketts won't eat that money. He could easily, but he won't.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 27, 2026, 12:17:37 PMRicketts won't eat that money. He could easily, but he won't.
He will make Craig bartend at the newest bachelorette party bar in wrigley in his ongoing attempts to make that neighborhood into bad Nashville
I think early on, Counsell was a pretty innovative manager. He used Hader really well until Hader only wanted to pitch the ninth.
Craigtember was always fun, but then MLB limited roster sizes. I also think we utilized the shifts more than most until they were banned.
I think a big part of the Brewers success is their pitching lab. They have been able to get some under the radar pitchers to turn into very effective starters.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 27, 2026, 12:38:36 PMI think early on, Counsell was a pretty innovative manager. He used Hader really well until Hader only wanted to pitch the ninth.
Craigtember was always fun, but then MLB limited roster sizes. I also think we utilized the shifts more than most until they were banned.
I think a big part of the Brewers success is their pitching lab. They have been able to get some under the radar pitchers to turn into very effective starters.
Agree on all of this. And as long as they keep fleecing teams in trades, they Wii continue to be successful. If they had traded Durbin, Monestereo, and Siegler for Shane Droghan, it would would have been a win. To convince the Red Sox to throw in a top 5 pitcher in the league was a coup.
Craig isn't getting fired this year regardless. He had a ten win improvement from Years 1 to 2, and TT is right...Rickett's isn't eating that contract even if this one year is a disappointment. This was never meant to be a quick fix.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 27, 2026, 02:22:29 PMCraig isn't getting fired this year regardless. He had a ten win improvement from Years 1 to 2, and TT is right...Rickett's isn't eating that contract even if this one year is a disappointment. This was never meant to be a quick fix.
Every year, teams win/lose 10 more games than they did the previous year - even with very pedestrian managers. Right now the Cubs are in last place. If they finish there - I don't think they will - CC is gone. Even if Mil. Ana StL finish ahead of the with their tiny payrolls, he may be gone.
DEVIL MAGICK AND CROTCH CHOPS SEND AWAY ANGRY BIRDS
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 03:21:20 PMDEVIL MAGICK AND CROTCH CHOPS SEND AWAY ANGRY BIRDS
Cards were right to be upset. Stan Musial never did crotch chops.
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 02:40:59 PMEvery year, teams win/lose 10 more games than they did the previous year - even with very pedestrian managers. Right now the Cubs are in last place. If they finish there - I don't think they will - CC is gone. Even if Mil. Ana StL finish ahead of the with their tiny payrolls, he may be gone.
No shot.
I've been saying for a couple years now that it feels like somehow the Brewers have stolen all of the Cardinals devil magic
Quote from: The Sultan on May 27, 2026, 03:23:12 PMCards were right to be upset. Stan Musial never did crotch chops.
He never served on the front line either
Crotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 27, 2026, 05:30:53 PMCrotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
There's way TOO much god in baseball as is
Quote from: BM1090 on May 27, 2026, 03:40:30 PMI've been saying for a couple years now that it feels like somehow the Brewers have stolen all of the Cardinals devil magic
Yadi's juju has worn off?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 27, 2026, 05:53:58 PMThere's way TOO much god in baseball society as is
FIFY
Quote from: Jockey on May 27, 2026, 06:30:15 PMYadi's juju has worn off?
I can't imagine the sticky tack on the chest pad is still as effective
It's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 09:27:56 PMIt's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.
MVPete is good but I'm not sure I'd crown him yet.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 11:04:38 AMI'm just saying, don't read too much into what the standings say on May 27. Or do, if that floats your boat.
Things can get flipped pretty fast this time of year. Less than 3 weeks ago, the Cubs had the best record in baseball and a 5 1/2 game lead over the Brewers.
Not reading into anything. I'm just amused by how wacky baseball can be.
Quote from: MU82 on May 27, 2026, 09:27:56 PMIt's fortunate that all of us baseball fans get to watch the greatest ballplayer ever in his prime.
Yadi?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 27, 2026, 05:30:53 PMCrotch chops, crop tops, this generation needs god
found Lucroy's burner.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on May 28, 2026, 08:56:24 AMfound Lucroy's burner.
base stealers didn't have that problem usually
Owners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included. Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 03:23:42 PMOwners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included. Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Seems like a legit opening proposal in line with other pro leagues. Maybe MLB can avoid a strike/lock-out. Maybe?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 03:23:42 PMOwners have proposed a hard cap of $245 million with player benefits included. Floor is $171 million according to Jeff Passan.
Not bad!
Currently six teams above that cap:
1) Mets $334
2) Dodgers $301
3) Yankees $291
4) Blue Jays $283
5) Phillies $281
6) Braves $267
And 15 teams below that floor. Several well below that floor.
Seems like that players would come out ahead in this scenario.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 28, 2026, 03:57:31 PMNot bad!
Currently six teams above that cap:
1) Mets $334
2) Dodgers $301
3) Yankees $291
4) Blue Jays $283
5) Phillies $281
6) Braves $267
And 15 teams below that floor. Several well below that floor.
Seems like that players would come out ahead in this scenario.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll
I think the biggest winners will be fans due to competitive balance. Overall MLB players have received about 50% of the revenue without a floor.
I think, real or perceived, competitive balance could drive better fan engagement that the NFL figured out a long time ago and that has enriched the owners and players.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Brewers/comments/1tqcb6e/vindicated/
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 04:06:51 PMI think the biggest winners will be fans due to competitive balance. Overall MLB players have received about 50% of the revenue without a floor.
I think, real or perceived, competitive balance could drive better fan engagement that the NFL figured out a long time ago and that has enriched the owners and players.
No chance the cap ceiling is accepted. Zero
Owners want the players to save them from themselves.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 04:19:18 PMNo chance the cap ceiling is accepted. Zero
1000% correct.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 04:19:18 PMNo chance the cap ceiling is accepted. Zero
They are trying to win the PR game when they lock out the players in six months.
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 04:53:10 PMOwners want the players to save them from themselves.
That statement doesn't hold up to the facts.
The proposal mirrors the NFL, NBA and NHL plus they have been getting 50% of revenue without a floor and cap. Unless you are predicting a historically unprecedented spending spree, your statement is untrue.
It would appear to me that a more owners will be upset with the proposal than players.
Players have already said it's a non starter. It's all jockeying for position at this point.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 07:48:54 PMPlayers have already said it's a non starter. It's all jockeying for position at this point.
I am not predicting that the players will accept the proposal. But it is hard to argue that it is not fair in light of the current revenue sharing and what other leagues have in place.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 07:59:54 PMI am not predicting that the players will accept the proposal. But it is hard to argue that it is not fair in light of the current revenue sharing and what other leagues have in place.
Why should the players care about other leagues?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 08:16:29 PMWhy should the players care about other leagues?
No one will fight harder to protect owners than White Trash
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 28, 2026, 08:25:45 PMNo one will fight harder to protect owners than White Trash
In his defense, fighting for the interests of billionaires is a worthy cause.
The irony is thick with a floor proposal being significantly over what Jerry's payroll is
Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 08:43:33 PMIn his defense, fighting for the interests of billionaires is a worthy cause.
Current revenue split = 50%
Proposed revenue split = 50%
The players are happy with the current system and the proposed system does what to the players' cut of the revenue?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 09:12:12 PMCurrent revenue split = 50%
Proposed revenue split = 50%
The players are happy with the current system and the proposed system does what to the players' cut of the revenue?
Are there changes to what gets included in revenue? That's part of the game
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 28, 2026, 10:39:34 PMAre there changes to what gets included in revenue? That's part of the game
I have no idea, and I wouldn't put it past the owner to try a sneaky move.
I'm assuming everything is on the up and up. If so, the overall concept seems fair and a real attempt to avoid a stoppage.
However the group of 1%'ers split it up is their business, but I like the concept of creating more balance without costing the players money.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 28, 2026, 07:43:50 PMThat statement doesn't hold up to the facts.
The proposal mirrors the NFL, NBA and NHL plus they have been getting 50% of revenue without a floor and cap. Unless you are predicting a historically unprecedented spending spree, your statement is untrue.
It would appear to me that a more owners will be upset with the proposal than players.
Players won't accept a salary cap. What don't you get?
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 11:10:22 PMPlayers won't accept a salary cap. What don't you get?
My friend, you are not reading my posts.
It is okay, I'm used to my wife and kids not listening to me also. :D
From Yahoo Sports:
A couple accidentally showed up to a Diamondbacks-Giants game earlier this month with tickets to the following night's game. So they bought two tickets to the game they showed up for and ended up catching Willy Adames' home run ball. Then they came back the next night with their original tickets ... and caught another Adames home run ball!
As further evidence that I believe the owners are negotiating in good faith; from Jeff Passan of ESPY "12 lower-spending teams would add $617 million to reach the floor while eight higher-spending teams would cut $578 million to get under the cap "
The union may be justified to pass on the offer, but it appears to be a legitimate proposal from the owners.
From The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 10:52:47 AMFrom The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
I was going to make a crack about sports leagues doing stuff to enhance the fan experience but baseball might be the one league that has done that recently but the point stands. They're definitely NOT lowering prices but wages are definitely negotiable.
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 10:52:47 AMFrom The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
News flash, that's how business works and has forever. Both sides are advancing they're own best interests. Companies/unions, vendors/customers, etc.
"fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." The owners are trying to give the fans more reasons to buy tickets and watch games ........ so they can make more money (which incidentally guarantees the players make more money under the floor/cap system).
The union has and will continue to negotiate hard in these deals as they should. I just hope we don't end up with a work stoppage, but just because I think the owners are acting in good faith doesn't mean the union will be responsible for a stoppage. There are always devils in the details that the union (or even the owners) must fight.
edit- Just because the owners' offer is a good offer, it may not be the best offer.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 29, 2026, 11:21:10 AMThe owners are trying to give the fans more reasons to buy tickets and watch games ........
A bunch of them clearly have no interest in doing that.
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 10:52:47 AMFrom The Athletics' Ken Rosenthal:
The league wants both a hard cap and floor, insisting in a statement that "fans in too many markets have too little hope their team has a fair chance to win." That's what this is all about, the league keeps telling us. Bowing to the wishes of fans who "overwhelmingly" support a cap, out of the goodness of the owners' hearts.
Please.
I'm sure fans want lower ticket prices and lower beer prices, too, but the owners aren't about to introduce those, are they? No, the owners act only when it's in their financial interests.
A cap that fixes costs and enhances franchise values is most definitely in the owners' interests. Missing games, the possible cost of all this, is not. How about asking fans if they want that?
I don't believe for a second that the owners are doing this altruistically. But I also don't really care what their motivations are. I think the right salary cap and floor will make the game better and can be done in a way that is still fair for the players. That's all that matters to me.
I'm also willing to go through a lockout if the end result is a well thought out salary cap/floor. I think there are probably more fans like me than Mr. Rosenthal would like to admit.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 12:59:52 PMA bunch of them clearly have no interest in doing that.
I'm sure. I'd be shocked if J.R. voted for the offer. But in the context of this issue, enough of them have voted for the offer put in front of the players, and that is all that matters.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 12:59:52 PMA bunch of them clearly have no interest in doing that.
You telling me Pirates ownership doesn't care about the fan?
The problem is that fans think they know what is best for the game. But this is NOT about that. It is about investors.
There's this from The Athletic:
Franchise values — as measured in billions of dollars — might soon determine whether Major League Baseball has a season in 2027.
Over today and tomorrow, players and owners are expected to make their opening economic proposals in negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement. The owners are going to push for a salary cap and floor, a system players don't want, and the ensuing labor fight could eventually lead to canceled games.
Why, at a time when MLB has otherwise built positive momentum, would the league pursue such an acrimonious change, and risk alienating fans with a work stoppage? Many issues are at play, but none supersede the long game owners are playing. Their mission is to maximize the worth of their teams.
Baseball has always been a business, yes — but not like this. Private equity has flowed into the sport for the better part of a decade, and someday, those investors will want a return. And even though every team continues to grow in value, many owners believe that their clubs should command still-higher prices.
Again, I don't care what the owners motivations are. I'm well aware they are trying to maximize their own wealth.
The only question that matters to me (and I think for many fans) is "will a well thought out salary cap and floor be good for the game?" I think the answer is yes.
I love hearing contrary opinions and arguments about why the answer is no. That might sway me. Repeatedly bringing up that the owners are trying to make more money? That's just noise.
Quote from: Jockey on May 29, 2026, 01:42:27 PMThe problem is that fans think they know what is best for the game. But this is NOT about that. It is about investors.
There's this from The Athletic:
Franchise values — as measured in billions of dollars — might soon determine whether Major League Baseball has a season in 2027.
Over today and tomorrow, players and owners are expected to make their opening economic proposals in negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement. The owners are going to push for a salary cap and floor, a system players don't want, and the ensuing labor fight could eventually lead to canceled games.
Why, at a time when MLB has otherwise built positive momentum, would the league pursue such an acrimonious change, and risk alienating fans with a work stoppage? Many issues are at play, but none supersede the long game owners are playing. Their mission is to maximize the worth of their teams.
Baseball has always been a business, yes — but not like this. Private equity has flowed into the sport for the better part of a decade, and someday, those investors will want a return. And even though every team continues to grow in value, many owners believe that their clubs should command still-higher prices.
I've seen private equity be more reasonable and patient than public equity. Ownership of closely held businesses run the spectrum of return expectations. Again, just my experience.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2026, 01:14:12 PMI think there are probably more fans like me than Mr. Rosenthal would like to admit.
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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2026, 02:08:27 PMAgain, I don't care what the owners motivations are. I'm well aware they are trying to maximize their own wealth.
The only question that matters to me (and I think for many fans) is "will a well thought out salary cap and floor be good for the game?" I think the answer is yes.
I love hearing contrary opinions and arguments about why the answer is no. That might sway me. Repeatedly bringing up that the owners are trying to make more money? That's just noise.
I think a more equitable share of revenue between the owners would help as much...if not more. I think the basic problem is that MLB can't fix their revenue problem, so it is asking the players do it for them.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 29, 2026, 02:08:27 PMAgain, I don't care what the owners motivations are. I'm well aware they are trying to maximize their own wealth.
The only question that matters to me (and I think for many fans) is "will a well thought out salary cap and floor be good for the game?" I think the answer is yes.
I love hearing contrary opinions and arguments about why the answer is no. That might sway me. Repeatedly bringing up that the owners are trying to make more money? That's just noise.
I get what you're saying in both of your posts, but it's not about swaying you or anyone else.
The players simply aren't gonna accept a salary cap IMHO. They will let ballparks go dark for multiple seasons rather than accept a salary cap. The owners will cave first.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 02:57:12 PMI think a more equitable share of revenue between the owners would help as much...if not more. I think the basic problem is that MLB can't fix their revenue problem, so it is asking the players do it for them.
Agree with you, but all the owners' baseball income is not considered revenue to be shared with the players.
Quote from: Jockey on May 29, 2026, 04:41:29 PMAgree with you, but all the owners' baseball income is not considered revenue to be shared with the players.
How are players paid?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 29, 2026, 05:04:20 PMWith what money?
There are 7 income streams that comprise the revenue that is used to pay players.
From local TV revenue and national TV revenue all the way down to concessions & parking and post season revenue.
Do you also want a list of banks where player's salaries are deposited?
A one game suspension for a reliever doesn't matter, but it is funny that MVPete yelled "you can suck my effing d!ck?l, biotch!" at a female fan and didn't get suspended while Uribe gets suspended for doing the crotch chop at the Cardinals bench.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 29, 2026, 05:23:01 PMA one game suspension for a reliever doesn't matter, but it is funny that MVPete yelled "you can suck my effing d!ck?l, biotch!" at a female fan and didn't get suspended while Uribe gets suspended for doing the crotch chop at the Cardinals bench.
They should write a quirky article in the players tribune next time
Quote from: wadesworld on May 29, 2026, 05:23:01 PMA one game suspension for a reliever doesn't matter, but it is funny that MVPete yelled "you can suck my effing d!ck?l, biotch!" at a female fan and didn't get suspended while Uribe gets suspended for doing the crotch chop at the Cardinals bench.
MLB hurt the Cubs by not suspending PCA, tbf
I don't know what the rest of this season holds, but what a White Sox season so far.
Southside. Shoutout to 18thandwells. Hope he's doing okay.
I thought it would happen in the 9th. Detroit has spent the last month not hitting and then having previously effective relief pitchers give up leads late. SSDD.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 29, 2026, 05:46:23 PMMLB hurt the Cubs by not suspending PCA, tbf
Manfred made Craig promote him to lead off
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 04:29:45 PMI get what you're saying in both of your posts, but it's not about swaying you or anyone else.
The players simply aren't gonna accept a salary cap IMHO. They will let ballparks go dark for multiple seasons rather than accept a salary cap. The owners will cave first.
If it's not about swaying people, stays the point of bringing it up constantly during every conversation about the merits of a salary cap? (Not saying you are but the owners doing this for money seems to be the central pillar of every anti salary cap article Ive seen)
As for your second paragraph, that's a real meaningful argument against the idea. I'm not sure I agree though. Guess we will see.
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2026, 04:29:45 PMI get what you're saying in both of your posts, but it's not about swaying you or anyone else.
The players simply aren't gonna accept a salary cap IMHO. They will let ballparks go dark for multiple seasons rather than accept a salary cap. The owners will cave first.
A salary cap harms those at the very top end. A cap combined with a floor is a better deal than losing multiple seasons during their prime earning years for most of the players.
Edit to add that if the owners were willing to give up a year or two of control in return for a cap/floor, that also benefits the middle class.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 30, 2026, 03:58:02 PMA salary cap harms those at the very top end. A cap combined with a floor is a better deal than losing multiple seasons during their prime earning years for most of the players.
Edit to add that if the owners were willing to give up a year or two of control in return for a cap/floor, that also benefits the middle class.
I just don't see the players giving in to a salary cap, regardless of how the owners try to sweeten it. But as TAMU said, we'll see.
I don't know that the players would never accept a cap under any circumstances. But I can't see any way they accept a cap that requires teams to reduce payroll, some by 20% or more.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 30, 2026, 08:10:20 PMI don't know that the players would never accept a cap under any circumstances. But I can't see any way they accept a cap that requires teams to reduce payroll, some by 20% or more.
The deal gives more money to the players.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:31:33 AMThe deal gives more money to the players.
So would the MLBPA proposal. And it doesn't matter. The players won't accept a deal that forces teams to significantly reduce payroll next year.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 07:23:02 AMSo would the MLBPA proposal. And it doesn't matter. The players won't accept a deal that forces teams to significantly reduce payroll next year
Then it would appear that they will end up extending the current deal. The players get the exclusion of the hard cap and the owners will save money.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:26:20 AMThen it would appear that they will end up extending the current deal. The players get the exclusion of the hard cap and the owners will save money.
The players would gladly accept a renewal of status quo. The owners absolutely will not - or at least that's what they've been suggesting. They seem willing to blow up next season in pursuit of a plan to save them from themselves.
Quote from: MU82 on May 31, 2026, 11:42:31 AMThe players would gladly accept a renewal of status quo. The owners absolutely will not - or at least that's what they've been suggesting. They seem willing to blow up next season in pursuit of a plan to save them from themselves.
Honest question. With a guarantee of higher payroll expenses, how are the players saving the owners from themselves?
I feel like I'm missing part of the equation. The owners have been disciplined in spending for a long time. Clearly their offer is not cost cutting.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:26:20 AMThen it would appear that they will end up extending the current deal. The players get the exclusion of the hard cap and the owners will save money.
"The owners will save money without a salary cap" is the wildest take yet.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 12:49:18 PM"The owners will save money without a salary cap" is the wildest take yet.
DO NOT take my word for it. Go read any article on this.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:54:27 PMDO NOT take my word for it. Go read any article on this.
You're making assumptions.
You're also ignoring calculations of player benefits and the addition of an escrow system (ask NBA players how that can turn out).
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 01:21:31 PMYou're making assumptions.
You're also ignoring calculations of player benefits and the addition of an escrow system (ask NBA players how that can turn out).
I'm not here to negotiate the CBA. My only interest is avoiding a work stoppage. IMO, the owners' opening offer was fair and something the MLBPA possibly can negotiate to acceptable terms. And as a fan, if salary floors/caps don't contribute to completive balance, then IMO leave everything the same. MLB has already fallen to 3rd in revenue and I don't think the CBA is going to help them catch the NBA much less NFL.
Detroit was 18-17. 4-21 since.
Quote from: tower912 on May 31, 2026, 03:50:36 PMDetroit was 18-17. 4-21 since.
Brutal. It's the offense, right?
Offense. Not hitting for average or power. Relief pitching.
With all of the injuries, you root for the rest to adopt the next man up mentality. Sadly, the next man up also strikes out.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:10:53 PMHonest question. With a guarantee of higher payroll expenses, how are the players saving the owners from themselves?
I feel like I'm missing part of the equation. The owners have been disciplined in spending for a long time. Clearly their offer is not cost cutting.
There are a half-dozen(ish) owners willing and able to spend huge, primarily because their local broadcast deals give them tons more money than the others have (though they enjoy other advantages, too).
The owners who are unwilling and/or unable to spend like that definitely do not think the Richie Riches "have been disciplined." They see the contracts given to the likes of Tucker and Soto and Guerrero as extremely UNdisciplined, and horrible for the game.
The Relatively Poors also haven't been able to convince the Riches to share their riches. So they insist they need the players to save them in the form of a salary cap. They also want a cap because they are convinced it would drive up the value of MLB franchises (and they're probably right about that).
Anyhoo, my man, this conversation is fun ... but for the umpteenth tine, a salary cap ain't happening.
Quote from: MU82 on May 31, 2026, 06:02:54 PMAnyhoo, my man, this conversation is fun ... but for the umpteenth tine, a salary cap ain't happening.
Then I hope the owners drop the request and keep playing. They can plow their savings into AI stock and everyone can be happy.
Miz is clearly the NL Pitcher of the month. IMO, he has almost no chance to win.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 12:10:53 PMThe owners have been disciplined in spending for a long time. Clearly their offer is not cost cutting.
That is your craziest take yet. The owners lack of discipline is why they want a cap.
Quote from: Jockey on May 31, 2026, 08:04:28 PMThat is your craziest take yet. The owners lack of discipline is why they want a cap.
Owners want a hard cap because it:
1. Artificially depresses wages.
2. Greatly reduces their financial exposure (Down year for revenues? Just take some of the players' money from escrow).
3. Provides cost certainty, which enhances franchise values.
4. Provides the illusion of competitive balance.
67. Actually creates competitive balance.
Quote from: Jockey on May 31, 2026, 08:04:28 PMThat is your craziest take yet. The owners lack of discipline is why they want a cap.
Then why are they offering a raise? There is zero proof for your crazy take. MLB payrolls are right in line with the NFL and NBA without a cap.
I'm talking about MLB as a whole, so spare me your Dodgers and Mets examples. The CBA covers all teams and players.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 08:37:35 PMOwners want a hard cap because it:
1. Artificially depresses wages.
2. Greatly reduces their financial exposure (Down year for revenues? Just take some of the players' money from escrow).
3. Provides cost certainty, which enhances franchise values.
4. Provides the illusion of competitive balance.
67. Actually creates competitive balance.
The idiot NFL and NBA players along with their flunky attorneys fell for it.
Why the NFLPA doesn't hire Scoopers to negotiate is a mystery. Oh, wait, I know, they're dumb jocks.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 08:39:52 PMThen why are they offering a raise? There is zero proof for your crazy take. MLB payrolls are right in line with the NFL and NBA without a cap.
MLB payrolls are right in line with NFL and NBA, whose annual revenues are, respectively, $9 billion and $2 billion higher?
Huh.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 09:12:40 PMMLB payrolls are right in line with NFL and NBA, whose annual revenues are, respectively, $9 billion and $2 billion higher?
Huh.
By percent of revenue, yes they are.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:06:27 PMThe idiot NFL and NBA players along with their flunky attorneys fell for it.
Why the NFLPA doesn't hire Scoopers to negotiate is a mystery. Oh, wait, I know, they're dumb jocks.
The NFLPA was infamously poorly run and its leadership was famously clubby with ownership. And the players themselves lacked the resolve to hold out long enough. They actually accepted (and still play by a system) in which contracts aren't even guaranteed for the vast majority of players. Had the NFLPA been run by the MLBPA's leaders, the players would be much better off.
The NBA was in serious financial distress, with more than half the teams losing money. Unlike MLB, the NBA needed a salary cap to survive.
So you're comparing apples, kumquats and trombones.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 31, 2026, 09:06:27 PMThe idiot NFL and NBA players along with their flunky attorneys fell for it.
Well, yeah, they did.
NFLPA has always been weak. I mean, it's 2026 and they still don't have fully guaranteed contracts ... 40 years after MLB contracts became guaranteed. NFL players didn't get free agency until 1993, more than 20 years after the Curt Flood case. And even now, thanks to franchise and transition tags, they still don't have full free agency.
The 1982 strike ended with players returning without having any of their demands met.
The 1987 strike ended after about 250 players crossed the picket line to play alongside scabs.
As for the NBA players, how'd they feel about the league clawing back $500 million in their salaries last year?
QuoteWhy the NFLPA doesn't hire Scoopers to negotiate is a mystery. Oh, wait, I know, they're dumb jocks.
They probably couldn't do worse, tbh.
A question for you ... what evidence can you point to that shows MLB would have substantially more competitive balance with a hard cap?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 27, 2026, 10:22:30 PMNot reading into anything. I'm just amused by how wacky baseball can be.
This past Monday, the Mariners were 2.5 games out of first place. They now have a 2.5-game lead.
Amazing what a 6-game winning streak can do for a team in a lousy division!
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 09:23:19 PMWell, yeah, they did.
NFLPA has always been weak. I mean, it's 2026 and they still don't have fully guaranteed contracts ... 40 years after MLB contracts became guaranteed. NFL players didn't get free agency until 1993, more than 20 years after the Curt Flood case. And even now, thanks to franchise and transition tags, they still don't have full free agency.
The 1982 strike ended with players returning without having any of their demands met.
The 1987 strike ended after about 250 players crossed the picket line to play alongside scabs.
As for the NBA players, how'd they feel about the league clawing back $500 million in their salaries last year?
They probably couldn't do worse, tbh.
A question for you ... what evidence can you point to that shows MLB would have substantially more competitive balance with a hard cap?
In a previous post I said I don't care if there is a cap if it doesn't create competitive balance. I said if the players will never accept any cap then the owners should keep their money and move on without a cap.
I can see the logic behind a cap creating more balance, but I don't know it to be true.
Quote from: MU82 on May 31, 2026, 09:33:17 PMThis past Monday, the Mariners were 2.5 games out of first place. They now have a 2.5-game lead.
Amazing what a 6-game winning streak can do for a team in a lousy division!
Again, i think you think i was making a comment on something I wasn't. I was simply amused by the standings at the time. It really went no deeper than that.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 09:23:19 PMA question for you ... what evidence can you point to that shows MLB would have substantially more competitive balance with a hard cap?
...common sense?
What evidence can you point to that shows that it wouldn't?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 31, 2026, 09:56:23 PM...common sense?
What evidence can you point to that shows that it wouldn't?
Actual results?
Over the past 20 seasons:
21 different teams have appeared in the World Series.
15 different teams have appeared in the NBA Finals.
19 different teams have appeared in the Super Bowl.
23 different teams have appeared in the Stanley Cup Final.
Common sense notwithstanding, the lack of a cap hasn't made it less likely for MLB teams to reach their league's final series than teams in capped leagues. In fact, the first league with a cap, the NBA, has proven to be the least competitively balanced.
But what about different champions, you ask?
MLB - 13
NBA - 11 or 12, depending on this year
NFL - 13
NHL - 13 or 14, depending on this year
Again, no real difference.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 10:15:04 PMActual results?
Over the past 20 seasons:
21 different teams have appeared in the World Series.
15 different teams have appeared in the NBA Finals.
19 different teams have appeared in the Super Bowl.
23 different teams have appeared in the Stanley Cup Final.
Common sense notwithstanding, the lack of a cap hasn't made it less likely for MLB teams to reach their league's final series than teams in capped leagues. In fact, the first league with a cap, the NBA, has proven to be the least competitively balanced.
But what about different champions, you ask?
MLB - 13
NBA - 11 or 12, depending on this year
NFL - 13
NHL - 13 or 14, depending on this year
Again, no real difference.
Awfully compelling data against the cap = competitive balance argument.
Awfully compelling data against paying top dollars for talent.
The players better hope the owners don't get more disciplined in spending.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 10:15:04 PMActual results?
Over the past 20 seasons:
21 different teams have appeared in the World Series.
15 different teams have appeared in the NBA Finals.
19 different teams have appeared in the Super Bowl.
23 different teams have appeared in the Stanley Cup Final.
Common sense notwithstanding, the lack of a cap hasn't made it less likely for MLB teams to reach their league's final series than teams in capped league. In fact, the first league with a cap, the NBA, has proven to be the least competitively balanced.
But what about different champions, you ask?
MLB - 13
NBA - 11 or 12, depending on this year
NFL - 13
NHL - 13 or 14, depending on this year
Again, no real difference.
What does that have to do with anything?
Is having a larger payroll an advantage or a disadvantage? It's unquestionably an advantage.
A salary cap/floor mitigates that advantage, making things more competively balanced.
I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money.
Also, I think a better way to examine the impact of a salary cap is not by comparing completely separate sports, but rather looking at how a single sport changed after the introduction of a salary cap. Take the NBA:
1960-1985 (25 years before the introduction of a salary cap): 12 different franchises made the title game, with 9 different champions (all by large market teams except 2 appearances by MIL and one by POR)
1986-2011 (Original salary cap era): 18 different franchises made the title game, with 8 different champions (Included several small market teams such as SA, POR, Utah, NJ, CLE, ORL)
2012-2023 (Incremental Luxury Tax era): 11 different franchises (in 12 years) made the title game, with 8 different champions
2024-2026 (Second apron era): 6 different franchise made the title game (100%) with 3 different champions
Again, I care about competitive balance, not parity of championship appearances. But it appears the introduction of salary cap (and subsequent tweaks of the salary cap) increased both in the NBA.
The Royals, Nationals and Cardinals have won World Series more recently than the Yankees have and much more recently than the Mets or Blue Jays have.
Again ... fun convo ... but there won't be a salary cap.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 31, 2026, 11:08:40 PMWhat does that have to do with anything?
Is having a larger payroll an advantage or a disadvantage? It's unquestionably an advantage.
A salary cap/floor mitigates that advantage, making things more competively balanced.
I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money.
Also, I think a better way to examine the impact of a salary cap is not by comparing completely separate sports, but rather looking at how a single sport changed after the introduction of a salary cap. Take the NBA:
1960-1985 (25 years before the introduction of a salary cap): 12 different franchises made the title game, with 9 different champions (all by large market teams except 2 appearances by MIL and one by POR)
1986-2011 (Original salary cap era): 18 different franchises made the title game, with 8 different champions (Included several small market teams such as SA, POR, Utah, NJ, CLE, ORL)
2012-2023 (Incremental Luxury Tax era): 11 different franchises (in 12 years) made the title game, with 8 different champions
2024-2026 (Second apron era): 6 different franchise made the title game (100%) with 3 different champions
Again, I care about competitive balance, not parity of championship appearances. But it appears the introduction of salary cap (and subsequent tweaks of the salary cap) increased both in the NBA.
What does making championship appearances have to do with anything? Some would say that's kind of the point of playing the game and the ultimate measure of success.
If not championships/championship appearances, how do you define competitive balance? Or are you simply using "competitive balance" as a synonym for "equal payroll?
With all due respect, your NBA examination here is kind of meaningless when you fail to account for expansion. Of course fewer teams made championship appearances when there were a dozen (or more) fewer teams in the league, as was the case for most of the pre-cap era. I mean, between 1942 and 1967, only six teams ever appeared in a Stanley Cup Final. Talk about a competitive imbalance!
You say:
"I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money."
Do you not understand that wealthier teams have more access to quality coaching, development, scouting and front offices than poorer teams? And those advantages would only
increase in a capped world? High revenue teams would simply shift more resources to those aspects of their operations, leading to better outcomes, whereas low-revenue clubs would be forced to shift resources
away from those areas in order to meet the salary floor.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 11:31:16 PMWhat does making championship appearances have to do with anything? Some would say that's kind of the point of playing the game and the ultimate measure of success.
If not championships/championship appearances, how do you define competitive balance? Or are you simply using "competitive balance" as a synonym for "equal payroll?
With all due respect, your NBA examination here is kind of meaningless when you fail to account for expansion. Of course fewer teams made championship appearances when there were a dozen (or more) fewer teams in the league, as was the case for most of the pre-cap era. I mean, between 1942 and 1967, only six teams ever appeared in a Stanley Cup Final. Talk about a competitive imbalance!
You say:
"I don't care about how many teams make a world series. I care that every team is on relatively equal footing so that the teams make it to the world series make it there because they have quality coaching, development, scouting, front offices, and play on the field. Not because they have access to more money."
Do you not understand that wealthier teams have more access to quality coaching, development, scouting and front offices than poorer teams? And those advantages would only increase in a capped world? High revenue teams would simply shift more resources to those aspects of their operations, leading to better outcomes, whereas low-revenue clubs would be forced to shift resources away from those areas in order to meet the salary floor.
In coin flipping, there is perfect competitive balance. Despite that, if you flip a coin 20 times, you may get 10 heads and 10 tails, but there's a good chance you could get a different result. It doesn't mean the game doesn't have competitive balance, it means that even with perfect balance the results can be different. Competitive balance is controlling the controllables to try to put every team on as equal footing as possible (because true equality is impossible in sports). It's not a synonym for equal payroll, but payroll is the most impactful controllable that's currently uncontrolled by the MLB.
Your point about expansion is very fair, but that's why I included the later eras. The incremental luxury tax clearly increased parity of results in the NBA. It's a small sample size but the second apron seems to have had a similar impact. I'm a basketball/baseball fan and know a lot less about football and hockey. I'm curious if they have similar results.
Your last paragraph is one of the best arguments I've heard against a salary cap. Personally, I believe (could very well be wrong) that you hit the point of diminishing returns a lot quicker when spending on coaching, development, etc than you do when spending on payroll.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 01, 2026, 12:01:30 AMIn coin flipping, there is perfect competitive balance. Despite that, if you flip a coin 20 times, you may get 10 heads and 10 tails, but there's a good chance you could get a different result. It doesn't mean the game doesn't have competitive balance, it means that even with perfect balance the results can be different. Competitive balance is controlling the controllables to try to put every team on as equal footing as possible (because true equality is impossible in sports). It's not a synonym for equal payroll, but payroll is the most impactful controllable that's currently uncontrolled by the MLB.
I don't disagree that having a higher payroll can increase a team's chances of success, and I'm not really opposed to a salary cap. I just don't see it as the great equalizer it's being billed as. Nor do I believe it's the lone route to a fairer playing field.
As we've seen in capped leagues, dominant franchises continue to exist, as do perennial losers.
And as we've seen in MLB, high payrolls aren't a guarantee of success (looking at you, Mets) and low payrolls aren't a barrier to it.
A former GM/longtime front-office guy did a Twitter thread on this recently that sums up my thoughts pretty well. Cliff's notes version ... payroll is an important, but not a determinative, factor in winning.
https://x.com/ZackScottSports/status/2060097463084560586?s=20
Can always count on White Trash to defend the poor owners
Quote from: Pakuni on May 31, 2026, 08:37:35 PMOwners want a hard cap because it:
1. Artificially depresses wages.
2. Greatly reduces their financial exposure (Down year for revenues? Just take some of the players' money from escrow).
3. Provides cost certainty, which enhances franchise values.
4. Provides the illusion of competitive balance.
67. Actually creates competitive balance.
I think it's pretty silly to claim that a salary cap wouldn't actually create competitive balance. I don't think it's the panacea that others do, but a cap and floor model would definitely make it more competitive than what we have seen. There is a pretty strong correlation between payroll and winning.
Yeah, I'm not against a cap. It could even do most of what its big proponents say it could do in regards to improving "competitive balance."
However, in addition to agreeing with those who say a salary cap probably wouldn't be a panacea, I'm among the realistic many who simply don't think these CBA negotiations are gonna produce a salary cap.
But that's OK. This is a fan board, and we like to debate the return of Marquette football, too.
White Trash is convinced that the owners' offer is better than what the players are already getting. This guy disagrees strongly ...
Bruce Meyer, the interim head of the Major League Baseball Players Association, said Monday he was "very surprised" by the details of the salary-cap proposal owners made four days earlier. The union's analysis of the offer showed players would make less money overall — and that amateur players who turn pro would be particularly hit hard.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7324965/2026/06/01/mlb-players-union-proposal-pay-cut-bargaining/?
"I thought they would try harder to make it look good, and they didn't even do that," Meyer said on a video conference call with reporters.
The players and owners both made opening economic proposals last week in a collective-bargaining process that's expected to take until next spring at the earliest. MLB proposed that starting next season, teams could spend no more than $245.3 million on salary, along with a mandated floor of $171.2 million — a huge change for baseball, the only prominent league in the U.S. that does not have a cap and floor.
Owners are framing the push for a cap around a desire to improve the sport's competitive balance. Players, however, have long opposed a cap system on economic grounds and others, setting up a contentious labor battle.
Cap systems typically come with a revenue split: an agreed-upon distribution of the overall money the sport takes in. MLB proposed players and owners start out with an even 50-50 split but the union said players already earn more than half.
"Using MLB's definition of revenue and player share as set forth in their proposal and their presentation to us, player share under their proposal would go down," Meyer said. "Player share for this season, 2026, is projected to be well over 50 percent, using, again MLB's definitions of revenues and what counts against player share.
"Had MLB's proposal been in place in 2026, players, we estimate, would lose over half a billion dollars."
Quote from: MU82 on June 02, 2026, 12:22:56 PMWhite Trash is convinced that the owners' offer is better than what the players are already getting. This guy disagrees strongly ...
Bruce Meyer, the interim head of the Major League Baseball Players Association....
Sounds like a completely unbiased source.
Anyway, I read the entire thing. It's all just early-stage posturing. Arguing over definitions of what is, and what isn't, "baseball revenue" isn't terribly interesting.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 01, 2026, 08:05:04 AMI think it's pretty silly to claim that a salary cap wouldn't actually create competitive balance. I don't think it's the panacea that others do, but a cap and floor model would definitely make it more competitive than what we have seen. There is a pretty strong correlation between payroll and winning.
Well, I didn't actually claim that.
I do appreciate you used correlation and not causation.
Quote from: MU82 on June 02, 2026, 12:22:56 PMWhite Trash is convinced that the owners' offer is better than what the players are already getting. This guy disagrees strongly ...
I based my opinion upon the earlier reports and generally available information that the players already get basically 50% , but per Passan of ESPN they would pick up about $50M per year.
Others said the union and would pass on a floor/cap based upon the exact same information I used.
You are introducing completely new information that could/should change the conversation.
Aside from Meyer's position, if the facts of a situation changes materially, the conclusion must be revisited.
But with regards to Meyer's assertions and other's reports, the problem is not how revenue is measured, it is how payrolls are reported. The reporters took the current reported salaries and adjusted to the owners floor/cap amounts. They did not do a calculation based upon revenue.
Meyers is saying the actual payroll numbers are higher than reported.
Sixteen years ago today instant replay challenges in MLB became inevitable (https://x.com/BradGalli/status/2061743916152459325?s=20).
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 02, 2026, 02:01:34 PMSixteen years ago today instant replay challenges in MLB became inevitable (https://x.com/BradGalli/status/2061743916152459325?s=20).
I've always been amazed the umpires didn't huddle up to discuss this one.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 02, 2026, 03:02:39 PMI've always been amazed the umpires didn't huddle up to discuss this one.
Pure class all around from those involved.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 02, 2026, 12:31:20 PMSounds like a completely unbiased source.
Anyway, I read the entire thing. It's all just early-stage posturing. Arguing over definitions of what is, and what isn't, "baseball revenue" isn't terribly interesting.
Of course it's a 100% biased source, as is any information coming from the owners and their negotiators. And of course it's all just early-stage posturing. I neither said nor suggested otherwise.
Moral of the story: Take information presented by either side with not just a grain of salt but an entire pile of salt.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 02, 2026, 02:01:34 PMSixteen years ago today instant replay challenges in MLB became inevitable (https://x.com/BradGalli/status/2061743916152459325?s=20).
It's so bad that I knew exactly what you were referencing without clicking the link.
Jo Adell, the Angels RF who robbed 3 HR in one game earlier this season, pulled a "Canseco" last night, with a deep fly bouncing off his head and going over the wall for a HR.
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Quote from: MU82 on June 03, 2026, 09:16:29 AMJo Adell, the Angels RF who robbed 3 HR in one game earlier this season, pulled a "Canseco" last night, with a deep fly bouncing off his head and going over the wall for a HR.
I was at that Canseco game.
Brewers led MLB in ERA for the month of May.
Every starter had less than 2 years of MLB experience.
Ohtani had three hits last night ... and allowed only two.
Six shutout innings, lowering his ERA to 0.74.
Utterly ridiculous.
Another highlight-worthy moment from MVPete tonight.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 04, 2026, 09:06:37 PMAnother highlight-worthy moment from MVPete tonight.
Surely you mean his first career walk off hit.
Or his home run?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 04, 2026, 09:46:51 PMSurely you mean his first career walk off hit.
Or his home run?
Ha.
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9th in MLB in rWAR and 10th in fWAR.
Aaron Judge out for a while - he has a stress fracture in a rib and won't even be re-evalutated for another 4-6 weeks.
He's no MVPete, but the Yankees will still miss him.
The wind is blowing out at Wrigley today ... but apparently only for the Giants' batters.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 05, 2026, 10:41:59 AM9th in MLB in rWAR and 10th in fWAR.
Being a fast dynamic centerfielder sure helps juice that war. Legit enviable defensive player.
Though why wasn't that fly ball scored an error last night 🤔
In a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2026, 05:28:04 PMIn a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
Fiscal conservative wants to limit salaries. News at 10.
So much for capitalism.
The players will NEVER agree to a cap.
The owners are their own worst enemies!
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2026, 05:28:04 PMIn a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
He also thinks old men should have access to young girls.
IOW, his opinions means nothing.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 05, 2026, 05:40:56 PMFiscal conservative wants to limit salaries. News at 10.
So much for capitalism.
Free marketers hate free markets.
A brutal assessment of the Angels by The Athletic:
Has your team ever had the second-worst farm system in baseball, sat in last place, trailed 7-0 at home against a team that lost 119 games a year ago, and then gone down more when your right fielder missed a fly ball with his glove and volleyed it over the wall with his head for a home run, helping to clinch a series loss against said 119-loss team right before your team drives up the interstate to face its biggest rival, which recently signed away your longtime superstar, the best player ever, and then won back-to-back World Series, with your former star winning consecutive MVPs (don't worry; he's now on his way to a third) while your fans begged on their hands and knees for the owner to sell the team?
However bad you think the Angels are, they're worse. This is now the bleakest team outlook in the major North American professional sports.
Quote from: MU82 on June 05, 2026, 05:28:04 PMIn a shocking development, a bellicose billionaire sided with his fellow billionaires in the MLB labor situation.
From The Athletic:
Just a week into baseball's labor talks, President Donald Trump has taken a side.
The president said Friday that he supports a salary cap in Major League Baseball, aligning himself with the owners in a nascent negotiation that could grow contentious enough to cancel games next year.
"If you don't have a salary cap you don't have a sport, because they can't help themselves," Trump told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One, per audio published online by the White House. "They should have done it a long time ago."
The president added it was "shocking, frankly, that they didn't put a cap on many years ago."
They should definitely take his advice given his wonderful results with the USFL
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 06, 2026, 12:21:36 PMThey should definitely take his advice given his wonderful results with the USFL
Like so many things, Pete Rozelle was often ahead of the curve
PCA hits his second home run of the day to tie up the game with two outs in the ninth.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2063367366977667205?s=46
Hitting 19-46 (.413) with 5 homers in an 11 game hit streak.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 06, 2026, 07:57:37 PMPCA hits his second home run of the day to tie up the game with two outs in the ninth.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2063367366977667205?s=46
Hitting 19-46 (.413) with 5 homers in an 11 game hit streak.
MVPete!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 06, 2026, 07:57:37 PMPCA hits his second home run of the day to tie up the game with two outs in the ninth.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2063367366977667205?s=46
Hitting 19-46 (.413) with 5 homers in an 11 game hit streak.
You didn't answer me why his misjudge and give up wasn't ruled an error. Weird
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 01:43:53 AMYou didn't answer me why his misjudge and give up wasn't ruled an error. Weird
Are misjudged fly balls usually ruled an error?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 01:43:53 AMYou didn't answer me why his misjudge and give up wasn't ruled an error. Weird
I'm pretty sure they rarely, if ever, give an error on a ball you don't see.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 07:57:29 AMI'm pretty sure they rarely, if ever, give an error on a ball you don't see.
Yeah, that's not going to be ruled an error and if he lost in the lights ... it happens.
Him turning around and watching the ball roll away, rather than make any effort to go retrieve it, is the bad look there.
He may be a bit unfairly under the microscope on these kinds of things, but if you're going to be an attention-seeker, then it goes both ways.
Pete Crow-Armstrong's 1.201 OPS is the best of any National League player over their last 15 games played.
He has a .368 average, three doubles and six home runs in that span.
Up to 6th in fWAR and rWAR.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 11:12:24 AMPete Crow-Armstrong's 1.201 OPS is the best of any National League player over their last 15 games played.
He has a .368 average, three doubles and six home runs in that span.
Up to 6th in fWAR and rWAR.
His biggest accomplishment though, is having you defend his honor on Scoop.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 11:12:24 AMPete Crow-Armstrong's 1.201 OPS is the best of any National League player over their last 15 games played.
He has a .368 average, three doubles and six home runs in that span.
Up to 6th in fWAR and rWAR.
MVPete! MVPete! MVPete!
Quote from: The Sultan on June 07, 2026, 12:03:13 PMHis biggest accomplishment though, is having you defend his honor on Scoop.
If posting stats is defending his honor, sure.
I enjoy how Brewers fans here post more about him than their own team.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 12:44:19 PMIf posting stats is defending his honor, sure.
I enjoy how Brewers fans here post more about him than their own team.
I wouldn't know.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 07, 2026, 12:44:19 PMIf posting stats is defending his honor, sure.
I enjoy how Brewers fans here post more about him than their own team.
We are all lining up to suck your d***, b****
Is PCA our new St. Louis cardinals?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 05:28:05 PMIs PCA our new St. Louis cardinals?
Because he also has the best fans in baseball?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 07, 2026, 05:28:05 PMIs PCA our new St. Louis cardinals?
Just plays the right way. Commits all the unwritten errors.
Say what you will about PCA but it's not his fault he smells like urine. He plays at Wrigley.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 07, 2026, 06:03:15 PMSay what you will about PCA but it's not his fault he smells like urine. He plays at Wrigley.
Today I learned that the troughs go right to the Cubs locker room
Private plane heading to Austin to pick up Yadier Molina and his family crashes in the Dominican Republic, killing the two pilots (the only 2 people on the plane).
Quote from: wadesworld on June 08, 2026, 04:29:47 PMPrivate plane heading to Austin to pick up Yadier Molina and his family crashes in the Dominican Republic, killing the two pilots (the only 2 people on the plane).
Vaxxed?
The umps in yesterday's Orioles-Blue Jays game actually said the runner didn't veer out of the baseline to avoid the tag, and they gave him second base.
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Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2026, 05:03:31 PMThe umps in yesterday's Orioles-Blue Jays game actually said the runner didn't veer out of the baseline to avoid the tag, and they gave him second base.
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And then Toronto scored multiple runs.
Quote from: MU82 on June 08, 2026, 05:03:31 PMThe umps in yesterday's Orioles-Blue Jays game actually said the runner didn't veer out of the baseline to avoid the tag, and they gave him second base.
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Chuck Schumer would call that basepath "centrist"
How about that Brewers win last night?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 07:53:27 AMHow about that Brewers win last night?
Ridiculous that they are playing in that stadium. Both teams are going to fry their bullpens.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 09, 2026, 07:55:30 AMRidiculous that they are playing in that stadium. Both teams are going to fry their bullpens.
I was gonna ask about the stadium. It looks like a little league park. Pop ups going 400 ft.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 07:58:53 AMI was gonna ask about the stadium. It looks like a little league park. Pop ups going 400 ft.
It's a relatively new stadium, built for the As AAA affiliate. But yeah, it really shouldn't be hosting major league games.
I haven't followed that much but don't the Brewers have a bunch of pitchers on the IL? That organization is doing something right. Their bats thus far seem to be better than past seasons.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 08:21:07 AMI haven't followed that much but don't the Brewers have a bunch of pitchers on the IL? That organization is doing something right. Their bats thus far seem to be better than past seasons.
After last night's slugfest the Brewers lead the MLB in runs per game. Offense has been cooking since Chourio, Yeli and Vaughn got healthy. Only injured bat is Lockridge, the backup outfielder who is due back soon.
The Brewers are 4th in runs allowed per game. You are right about the Crew having a lot of pitchers on the IL, they currently have 9:
- Woody and Priester were the #2 and #3 pitchers last season after Peralta. Woody is theoretically back this month but is oft injured and I don't think Priester makes it back this season.
- Zerpa was one of the big offseason acquisitions and he's out for TJ surgery.
- Koenig and Zastryzny were both effective leftys last season who have yet to play. Koenig's on a rehab assignment and I'm not sure Z makes it back this season.
- Hall has been very good out of the pen this season but is now out 4-6 weeks.
- Henderson, Fitzpatrick, and Rodriguez have all ping ponged between Milwaukee and Nashville this season but all have promise, especially Henderson.
If the Dodgers weren't a thing I would say Milwaukee has a shot at the series this season. I think they need to trade for an ace and another bullpen arm to have more than a puncher's chance. Unfortunately, Milwaukee doesn't make trades like that (for good reason). I would really enjoy the LOLz if we traded for Peralta at the deadline and sent back worse than what we sold him for.
A's are just the 7th team in MLB history to hit 7 HRs in a game and lose. Brewers have had a few huge comebacks lately.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 09, 2026, 08:56:43 AMAfter last night's slugfest the Brewers lead the MLB in runs per game. Offense has been cooking since Yeli and Vaughn got healthy. Only injured bat is Lockridge, the backup outfielder who is due back soon.
The Brewers are 4th in runs allowed per game. You are right about the Crew having a lot of pitchers on the IL, they currently have 9:
- Woody and Priester were the #2 and #3 pitchers last season after Peralta. Woody is theoretically back this month but is oft injured and I don't think Priester makes it back this season.
- Zerpa was one of the big offseason acquisitions and he's out for TJ surgery.
- Koenig and Zastryzny were both effective leftys last season who have yet to play. Koenig's on a rehab assignment and I'm not sure Z makes it back this season.
- Hall has been very good out of the pen this season but is now out 4-6 weeks.
- Henderson, Fitzpatrick, and Rodriguez have all ping ponged between Milwaukee and Nashville this season but all have promise, especially Henderson.
If the Dodgers weren't a thing I would say Milwaukee has a shot at the series this season. I think they need to trade for an ace and another bullpen arm to have more than a puncher's chance. Unfortunately, Milwaukee doesn't make trades like that (for good reason). I would really enjoy the LOLz if we traded for Peralta at the deadline and sent back worse than what we sold him for.
Doesn't matter if you can't hit for power, and the Brewers can't.
Ortiz's glove is very good, but his bat is so bad that he can't be in your starting lineup in the Playoffs.
Ceiling is NLCS again. Then again, so is everyone's in the NL not named the Dodgers.
Does the ball just fly there? The dimensions at the park are normal but man it was flying last night.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2026, 11:13:03 AMDoesn't matter if you can't hit for power, and the Brewers can't.
Ortiz's glove is very good, but his bat is so bad that he can't be in your starting lineup in the Playoffs.
Ceiling is NLCS again. Then again, so is everyone's in the NL not named the Dodgers.
I'd assume Hamilton gets some playoff starts. Ortiz as a defensive replacement and maybe plays against lefties if they decide not to bring up Pratt. Hamilton is a decent guy to put at 9. Not a great hitter but better than Ortiz, and his speed really puts pressure on teams. Great bunter helps too.
I think the Brewers could steal a 5 game series against LA. Can't see them winning a 7 gamer.
Quote from: BM1090 on June 09, 2026, 11:26:03 AMI'd assume Hamilton gets some playoff starts.
BeeJay is going to soil his wiffleball outfit if CH18 gets some starts
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 09, 2026, 08:56:43 AMAfter last night's slugfest the Brewers lead the MLB in runs per game. Offense has been cooking since Yeli and Vaughn got healthy. Only injured bat is Lockridge, the backup outfielder who is due back soon.
The Brewers are 4th in runs allowed per game. You are right about the Crew having a lot of pitchers on the IL, they currently have 9:
- Woody and Priester were the #2 and #3 pitchers last season after Peralta. Woody is theoretically back this month but is oft injured and I don't think Priester makes it back this season.
- Zerpa was one of the big offseason acquisitions and he's out for TJ surgery.
- Koenig and Zastryzny were both effective leftys last season who have yet to play. Koenig's on a rehab assignment and I'm not sure Z makes it back this season.
- Hall has been very good out of the pen this season but is now out 4-6 weeks.
- Henderson, Fitzpatrick, and Rodriguez have all ping ponged between Milwaukee and Nashville this season but all have promise, especially Henderson.
If the Dodgers weren't a thing I would say Milwaukee has a shot at the series this season. I think they need to trade for an ace and another bullpen arm to have more than a puncher's chance. Unfortunately, Milwaukee doesn't make trades like that (for good reason). I would really enjoy the LOLz if we traded for Peralta at the deadline and sent back worse than what we sold him for.
It's pretty impressive they have the 2nd best record in MLB.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2026, 11:13:03 AMDoesn't matter if you can't hit for power, and the Brewers can't.
Ortiz's glove is very good, but his bat is so bad that he can't be in your starting lineup in the Playoffs.
Ceiling is NLCS again. Then again, so is everyone's in the NL not named the Dodgers.
They didn't hit AT ALL vs the Dodgers last year in the playoffs. That was the problem. Maybe this is the year they put it all together?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 01:11:40 PMThey didn't hit AT ALL vs the Dodgers last year in the playoffs. That was the problem. Maybe this is the year they put it all together?
They're going to acquire Skubal and try to win scoring 4 runs in 4 games but giving up none.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 09, 2026, 01:22:11 PMThey're going to acquire Skubal and try to win scoring 4 runs in 4 games but giving up none.
They could very easily score in heavy numbers come playoff time. Past failure doesn't necessarily mean anything. Guys just need to show up and focus. They also have some excellent young guns coming up from what I've heard. Add another pitcher and a thunderous bat. Then things will be alright.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 01:33:34 PMThey could very easily score in heavy numbers come playoff time. Past failure doesn't necessarily mean anything. Guys just need to show up and focus. They also have some excellent young guns coming up from what I've heard. Add another pitcher and a thunderous bat. Then things will be alright.
Pitching and being able to hit home runs is what wins in the Playoffs. The Brewers are a great regular season offense because they take the extra base when it's there, they grind out at bats, and they put pressure on defenses. Come playoff time, everyone is grinding out at bats. They have the pitching to compete at the highest level, but the only time they've had both the offense and the pitching to win a World Series in my lifetime was 2018. This year isn't any different than last year. You aren't winning a World Series when you're second from last in the MLB in home runs per game. Heck, you're not winning a World Series when you're in the bottom half of the MLB in home runs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 09, 2026, 01:33:34 PMThey could very easily score in heavy numbers come playoff time. Past failure doesn't necessarily mean anything. Guys just need to show up and focus. They also have some excellent young guns coming up from what I've heard. Add another pitcher and a thunderous bat. Then things will be alright.
The Brewers are just not willing to pay for past performance. They aren't going to give big $$$ to players who won't live up to that contract on the back end. So they let guys walk. There have been some exceptions to this, like Yelich (and I would suggest his contract has come back to the market), but they have let franchise cornerstones like Adames go, and will do the same when Wild Bill hits free agency.
Furthermore, they are never going to be active at the top levels of free agency. They are either locking young guys up early (Churrio), or looking for value in assets that other teams don't value as highly (Vaughn).
Couple that with a manager who knows how to deal with younger guys, with the club doing a fantastic job with the fan experience and honoring its legends, and it works! They really are a model for how a lower revenue team can succeed in today's MLB. They aren't tanking. They aren't cheapening out and not caring about the product they put on the field.
The downside to all of this is that they pretty much have to have things play out perfectly for them to get to the World Series much less win one. I really hope they can break through though, not only because they are my team, but because this fanbase deserves it. And so does Mark A. for caring a lot about the team and the fans.
From what I saw, the Brewers were a bit unlucky last year. Other than the game Ohtani went medieval, they were right there even with their odd pitching rotations. For some reason they couldn't hit at all. Part of it was the LA pitching, but there were also bad AB's and swings. So while I get adding more pop and another arm would be helpful, I believe better and timely hitting could get them over the hump.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 09, 2026, 01:37:27 PMPitching and being able to hit home runs is what wins in the Playoffs. The Brewers are a great regular season offense because they take the extra base when it's there, they grind out at bats, and they put pressure on defenses. Come playoff time, everyone is grinding out at bats. They have the pitching to compete at the highest level, but the only time they've had both the offense and the pitching to win a World Series in my lifetime was 2018. This year isn't any different than last year. You aren't winning a World Series when you're second from last in the MLB in home runs per game. Heck, you're not winning a World Series when you're in the bottom half of the MLB in home runs.
Anything can happen in baseball, but it's hard to argue with the data. Brewers are hitting 0.88 home runs a game. Last time a team even made the series with that low of a HR rate was the 2015 Royals (0.86). Most pennant winners hit over 1.24 a game. Only other team in that time span that's even close to 0.88 is the 2023 D-Backs (1.03).
Brewers ran into a buzzsaw pitching last year. Couple that with typically manufacturing runs rather than one swing being enough to put a run on the board, and it makes things difficult.
They also couldn't get into LA's bullpen, where their woodpecker type offense helps them in the regular season.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 09, 2026, 02:25:07 PMAnything can happen in baseball, but it's hard to argue with the data. Brewers are hitting 0.88 home runs a game. Last time a team even made the series with that low of a HR rate was the 2015 Royals (0.86). Most pennant winners hit over 1.24 a game. Only other team in that time span that's even close to 0.88 is the 2023 D-Backs (1.03).
The Brewers are 0.88 because of the injuries to Churio, Yeli, and Vaughn.
They certainly wouldn't be one of the top power teams if those guys weren't hurt, but they're not as bad as you guys are making them out to be.
Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2026, 03:55:21 PMThe Brewers are 0.88 because of the injuries to Churio, Yeli, and Vaughn.
They certainly wouldn't be one of the top power teams if those guys weren't hurt, but they're not as bad as you guys are making them out to be.
Vaugh has 2 home runs in 96 plate appearances and has a career high of 21 homers. Chourio has 4 home runs in 141 plate appearances, with a career high of 21 homers. Yelich has 4 home runs in 153 plate appearances and injuries are just part of what he is at this point in his career.
And if you're going to play that game, you also have to play the game of Jake Bauers has already tied his career high in home runs in just 56 games played. That pace probably won't continue.
They were 22nd in home runs last year. That's probably about their ceiling this year.
Yeah last year the Brewers hit just over 1.0 HR per game. So sure there is room for improvement this year, but still far from the 1.24 number that TAMU references.
Quote from: BM1090 on June 09, 2026, 11:24:09 AMDoes the ball just fly there? The dimensions at the park are normal but man it was flying last night.
Read some stuff by people familiar with how that park plays in the minors and they said it absolutely does to the point that teams re-assess every prospect who plays and pitches there. Apparently the infield is hard/plays crazy fast and the dry air makes balls absolutely scream. They use a humidor for the balls, but I guess it only does so much.
With Gasser/Sproat going for the next two games, there might be more crooked numbers. Maybe worth taking the over*.
*I am historically comically, famously, terrible at sports betting. My friends and I suggested starting a betting service where subscribers get my picks with an instruction to do the opposite because I'm almost always wrong at sports bets. Do with this information what you will.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 09, 2026, 04:52:36 PMRead some stuff by people familiar with how that park plays in the minors and they said it absolutely does to the point that teams re-assess every prospect who plays and pitches there. Apparently the infield is hard/plays crazy fast and the dry air makes balls absolutely scream. They use a humidor for the balls, but I guess it only does so much.
With Gasser/Sproat going for the next two games, there might be more crooked numbers. Maybe worth taking the over*.
*I am historically comically, famously, terrible at sports betting. My friends and I suggested starting a betting service where subscribers get my picks with an instruction to do the opposite because I'm almost always wrong at sports bets. Do with this information what you will.
My parlay is counting on the game going off the rails.
I was entirely unaware of this "Vegas is like Mile High on steroids for fly balls but also has an infield that's barely better than concrete" phenomenon, and now I'm very interested to see how the new A's park is going to play.
Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2026, 03:55:21 PMThe Brewers are 0.88 because of the injuries to Churio, Yeli, and Vaughn.
They certainly wouldn't be one of the top power teams if those guys weren't hurt, but they're not as bad as you guys are making them out to be.
Injuries definitely impacted that number for sure and i think we will be better than what we've been in the power department because of it.
But, even to get to the 2023 dbacks level (least HRs by a pennant winner since 2015), we would need to hit 112 homers in the remaining 101 games (1.11 per game). Certainly doable but not a guarentee.
To get to that 1.24 number (not a magic number certainly but all but 2 or 3 pennant winners since 2015 were above that) we would need to hit 146 dingers in 101 games (1.45). While not impossible, it would require us to hit like one of the top 50 HR hitting teams in history to reach it.
Let's just play all if our remaining games in Vegas.
Southside. Having fun.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 09, 2026, 04:52:36 PMWith Gasser/Sproat going for the next two games, there might be more crooked numbers. Maybe worth taking the over*.
*I am historically comically, famously, terrible at sports betting. My friends and I suggested starting a betting service where subscribers get my picks with an instruction to do the opposite because I'm almost always wrong at sports bets. Do with this information what you will.
5 homers already and we're only in the fifth.
With the Lara signing, I'm beginning to think the Brewers front office are saying something about how they anticipate the CBA eventually shaking out. He projects to be a fine player, but on its face, I don't see enough upside to warrant the risk here - unless something changes in the next CBA.
Lara has a lot of Sal Frelick in him, and based on Sal's WAR to date, Sal would be returning good value on Lara's contract - until you compare that to Sal's actual cost so far. He will go through arb for the first time in 2027, and has made a total of about $7.5M over his ~3 years of service time before that, which includes a $4M signing bonus. Lara only got a $1.1M signing bonus, meaning that even if Lara mirrored Sal's service time and was twice as expensive as Sal every year pre-arb, he would only make $8M over that time. Under the current CBA, I'm having trouble making the math math on a 7 year, $31M minimum guarantee for Lara. Sure, if he's Sal he'll return some surplus value, but enough to warrant the risk of a commitment before he plays an MLB game?
Through 6 innings, the Crew have only allowed 1 runner into scoring position and they stranded that runner. They are still losing 7 to 5 because they've surrendered five home runs.
Gotta get us some of that dry air in AmFam.
Tonight was as enjoyable a regular season game that I've experienced at the ballpark.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 26, 2026, 11:45:29 PMIf the playoffs started today, the 27-28 Athletics would host the 27-28 Twins in the first round while the 29-25 Reds, 29-26 Pirates, 29-26 Cubs, 29-27 Nationals, and 28-27 Phillies watched them on TV.
Two weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
Congrats on the Mariners achieving a record that would land them 3rd place in the NL Central.
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2026, 12:34:54 AMTwo weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2026, 12:34:54 AMTwo weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
82,
I don't know how else to say this because you still seem to think i had some underlying point that I can promise you i didn't. Theres nothing for me to feel better about. The single purpose of my post was to appreciate how wacky baseball can be sometimes. A third of the way through the season we had one division with more teams above .500 then the entire AL. I found that amusing and worthy of a post. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that happens very often. I was not trying to imply that it would stay that way or that anything was unfair. I just found it amusing. I fully expected the standings to even out and i assume water will continue to find its level.
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2026, 12:34:54 AMTwo weeks later ...
If it makes you feel better, the Twins are officially a disaster; the skidding A's wouldn't be in the playoffs if they started today; and the Mariners (36-32) have a better record than most NL Central teams.
Oh, and the Phillies have the best record in MLB since they fired their manager and replaced him with Don Mattingly.
We can check back again in another couple weeks!
Wow. I thought the season was over.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 09, 2026, 08:21:34 PMMy parlay is counting on the game going off the rails.
Did it hit?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 10, 2026, 07:17:34 AM82,
I don't know how else to say this because you still seem to think i had some underlying point that I can promise you i didn't. Theres nothing for me to feel better about. The single purpose of my post was to appreciate how wacky baseball can be sometimes. A third of the way through the season we had one division with more teams above .500 then the entire AL. I found that amusing and worthy of a post. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that happens very often. I was not trying to imply that it would stay that way or that anything was unfair. I just found it amusing. I fully expected the standings to even out and i assume water will continue to find its level.
Oh, I'm just playin' around, TAMU. We agree about baseball often being wacky.
Quote from: PointWarrior on June 10, 2026, 01:33:46 AMCongrats on the Mariners achieving a record that would land them 3rd place in the NL Central.
Thanks, but I didn't have anything to do with it.
Quote from: Dish on June 09, 2026, 11:39:45 PMTonight was as enjoyable a regular season game that I've experienced at the ballpark.
I'm just glad we're allowed to enjoy baseball again.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 10, 2026, 12:05:52 PMI'm just glad we're allowed to enjoy baseball again.
I'm genuinely happy for Sox fans. Hope you guys get in the Playoffs.
Quote from: jficke13 on June 10, 2026, 08:49:28 AMDid it hit?
It started off so beautifully and then the pitchers decided to start pitching
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 10, 2026, 01:05:54 PMIt started off so beautifully and then the pitchers decided to start pitching
The atmosphere changed.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 10, 2026, 02:09:42 PMThe atmosphere changed.
You're right I should blame Trump for climate change ruining my bet
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 10, 2026, 01:05:54 PMIt started off so beautifully and then the pitchers decided to start pitching
Classic me-vs-sportsbetting. Always do the opposite.
Quote from: Jockey on June 10, 2026, 12:27:31 PMI'm genuinely happy for Sox fans. Hope you guys get in the Playoffs.
The old "Jockey Jinx". Uhhg!
;D
Quote from: Pakuni on June 10, 2026, 12:05:52 PMI'm just glad we're allowed to enjoy baseball again.
Not so fast, they wouldn't be in first in other divisions
1st place in the division, won the first two against the best team in baseball, going for the sweep tomorrow.
I know it can come crashing down at some point, but this has been so much fun thus far.
Quote from: Dish on June 10, 2026, 09:23:57 PM1st place in the division, won the first two against the best team in baseball, going for the sweep tomorrow.
I know it can come crashing down at some point, but this has been so much fun thus far.
Davis Martin outdueling Chris Sale, as everyone expected.
Cubs have gone 7-22 since May 8th, worst record in MLB over that stretch.
Remarkable in that they were 27-12 leading up to that point.
Quote from: Dish on June 11, 2026, 08:47:11 AMCubs have gone 7-22 since May 8th, worst record in MLB over that stretch.
Remarkable in that they were 27-12 leading up to that point.
I think the pitching injuries are finally catching up. They've already used 27 pitchers and lost 4/5 of their opening day rotation.
Sad thing is the pitching, even with injuries, kept them afloat and the problem is the offense not doing their part.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 11, 2026, 08:53:17 AMI think the pitching injuries are finally catching up. They've already used 27 pitchers and lost 4/5 of their opening day rotation.
Sad thing is the pitching, even with injuries, kept them afloat and the problem is the offense not doing their part.
Every team has injuries
MVPete will save the offense like he always does.
Quote from: Dish on June 10, 2026, 09:23:57 PM1st place in the division, won the first two against the best team in baseball, going for the sweep tomorrow.
I know it can come crashing down at some point, but this has been so much fun thus far.
Credit this guy ...
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Quote from: MU82 on June 11, 2026, 12:18:02 PMCredit this guy ...
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I thought he was intervening with the Knicks on behalf of fellow Villanova alumni.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 11, 2026, 01:05:39 PMI thought he was intervening with the Knicks on behalf of fellow Villanova alumni.
Multitasker.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 11, 2026, 01:05:39 PMI thought he was intervening with the Knicks on behalf of fellow Villanova alumni.
Wait, the Cubbies said he was a Cubs fan?????
Wow, today's Brewers uniform is ... something.
That young 6'7 pitcher on the Brewers is pretty good.
Miz said Kolek 'em to the Phillies. Wonder if they're done crying about Miz getting an All Star game appearance after their players declined invites.
That was probably the best start in Brewers history.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 12, 2026, 08:52:06 PMThat was probably the best start in Brewers history.
Certainly up there. Burnes no hits through 8 with 14 Ks as well.
Most K's in a Maddux in MLB history.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 12, 2026, 08:52:06 PMThat was probably the best start in Brewers history.
I think it is.
Sheets gave up a run in his 18 strikeout game.
CC was 4 strikeouts short of Miz in his one hitter against Pittsburgh. Although it should have been a no hitter.
A slight edge over Burnes's combined no hitter.
We've got a very special talent here.
Every Milwaukee journalist should be fired if they don't ask every Philly player and coach if they think Miz deserves to be in the All Star game.
He's really fun to watch. I was especially impressed with his control. Zero 3-ball counts for a guy throwing 100-104 all night. Amazing.
He's got that "easy cheese" - doesn't even look like he's throwing that hard.
I just saw the last inning of the Brewers game at a sports bar here in Cali. There were two Brewers fans from Hayward, WI sitting next to us that said it was the best pitching performance they had seen in the history of Milwaukee baseball. But they were like 50ish so that's post Milwaukee Braves. I believe he had 40+ pitches over 100 mph?
58 pitches of at least 100 mph
Averaged 101.7
No three-ball counts all night
The average might be for 100+ pitches. Too lazy to look.
Source:
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/105-mph-brewers-ace-jacob-misiorowski-posts-another-velocity-record-while-striking-out-15-in-first-career-shutout-000205505.html
Article recapping the performance
https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-misiorowski-15-strikeout-one-hitter-facts-and-stats
Excuse my ignorance but how long do the Brewers have this guy under contract?
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 13, 2026, 08:16:58 AMExcuse my ignorance but how long do the Brewers have this guy under contract?
He was a rookie last season, and is under a fairly standard 2nd-year contract making about $788K this season. He will be under team control for several more years.
The Brewers reportedly tried to sign him to the kind of long-term, team-friendly deal that has become increasingly common for young studs-to-be throughout MLB, but he rejected it.
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2026, 09:21:51 AMHe was a rookie last season, and is under a fairly standard 2nd-year contract making about $788K this season. He will be under team control for several more years.
The Brewers reportedly tried to sign him to the kind of long-term, team-friendly deal that has become increasingly common for young studs-to-be throughout MLB, but he rejected it.
They have him under control for two years past this one, and then three arbitration years starting in 2029, before he hits free agency in 2032. With how hard he throws, who knows by then if he will end up with Kerry Wood-like injuries or Pedro Martinez-like Cy Youngs.
https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-misiorowski-15-strikeout-one-hitter-facts-and-stats
So, Vegas is a hitters park. Had to make sure I wasn't looking at a 23-9 football score.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 14, 2026, 07:45:16 PMSo, Vegas is a hitters park. Had to make sure I wasn't looking at a 23-9 football score.
Fernando Mendoza needs to do better in the red zone.
The white Sox went 4-1 vs the braves and Dodgers
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 14, 2026, 10:42:51 PMThe white Sox went 4-1 vs the braves and Dodgers
Just means those teams suck.
Reverse cycle for PCA.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2066704935589236816?s=46
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 15, 2026, 09:15:37 PMReverse cycle for PCA.
https://x.com/mlb/status/2066704935589236816?s=46
MVPete!
PCA and Miz tied for second in NL and third in MLB in fWAR.
Ohtani 5.0
Witt Jr. 4.0
PCA 3.9
Miz 3.9
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 16, 2026, 09:18:10 AMPCA and Miz tied for second in NL and third in MLB in fWAR.
Ohtani 5.0
Witt Jr. 4.0
PCA 3.9
Miz 3.9
MVPete!
Now that the MLB has opened the door for playing on Little League fields with the 6 games in Vegas, when do the Brewers start playing in Helfaer a couple times a year?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 16, 2026, 09:34:20 AMNow that the MLB has opened the door for playing on Little League fields with the 6 games in Vegas, when do the Brewers start playing in Helfaer a couple times a year?
We may get in the top half of the league in homers if that happens. Although, seems like we've gotten a hit of power surge lately.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 16, 2026, 09:34:20 AMNow that the MLB has opened the door for playing on Little League fields with the 6 games in Vegas, when do the Brewers start playing in Helfaer a couple times a year?
Maybe they can get another series with the Yankees
Quote from: wadesworld on June 16, 2026, 09:32:09 AMMVPete!
Unlike PCA, Miz could never catch a HR ball 50' over his head.
PCA > Miz
PCA is the best of both worlds for this board. He's a good player for the Cubs fans, but also provides plenty of entertainment for Brewers fans.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2026, 10:58:40 AMUnlike PCA, Miz could never catch a HR ball 50' over his head.
PCA > Miz
I bet Miz could catch a HR ball at his feet, though.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2026, 10:58:40 AMUnlike PCA, Miz could never catch a HR ball 50' over his head.
PCA > Miz
Looks like Edmundo Sosa saw MVPete's fWAR and decided to take a page out of his book. Wonder how much his fWAR jumped after this incredible defensive effort.
https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1u5tuqs/highlight_known_power_hitter_blake_perkins/
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 16, 2026, 11:27:36 AMPCA is the best of both worlds for this board. He's a good player for the Cubs fans, but also provides plenty of entertainment for Brewers fans.
I'm not a Brewers fan, and he provides plenty of entertainment for me, too. I especially enjoy seeing the greatest centerfielder of all time letting flies drop untouched and overrunning four-hoppers hit right at him.
Also, my son is a big-time Cubbie fan and, just a month ago, he was b!tching about how bad MVPete had been since last year's All-Star break.
MVPete is red-hot right now, and it's been impressive. If and when he goes into another long, whiff-filled slump and his team falls out of the race, we'll see how quickly the P-C-A chants turn into boos.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 16, 2026, 11:27:36 AMPCA is the best of both worlds for this board. He's a good player for the Cubs fans, but also provides plenty of entertainment for Brewers fans.
He's a very good player.
Early NL Cy Young race, from The Athletic ...
(I'm taking the Miz.)
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Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2026, 01:56:13 PMEarly NL Cy Young race, from The Athletic ...
(I'm taking the Miz.)
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Prior to the most recent series, I had Sanchez slightly ahead of Miz in the Cy Young Race. The Miz was so dominant on Friday that I now think of him as clearly alone in first place (with obviously a ton of season left to be played).
That's also partially due to Blake ".111 BA" Perkins having a day against Sanchez on Sunday. Perkins being 6/7 in his career with 3 doubles and a homer against the current second or third best pitcher in the NL is just another example of why baseball is so random in the best possible way.
Pretty incredible to have Ohtani sitting on a near 1.00 ERA and sitting in 3rd place (completely justifiably too)
My wife and I went to the Mariners-Orioles game last night. We got to see Cal Raleigh return after nearly a month on the IL and deliver a go-ahead two-run single. Great vibes at the ballpark!
Just watched Jeff Passan's long interview of Tom Glavine, who threw "right?" into every other phrase.
It's become an epidemic these days, right? But this right? was probably the worst right? I've ever heard right?
The Brewers won again. They may not have HR hitters, but they seem to score a lot of runs. Chourio also missed time and is capable of thwacking bombs. They're a cool little team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 17, 2026, 09:24:14 PMThe Brewers won again. They may not have HR hitters, but they seem to score a lot of runs. Chourio also missed time and is capable of thwacking bombs. They're a cool little team.
Chourio will never catch a HR 50' over his head
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 18, 2026, 06:23:13 AMChourio will never catch a HR 50' over his head
A puma or a kangaroo couldn't have gotten that one.
Not surprising, but Priester officially out for the year.
Dodger stadium yesterday was a riot with Ohtani onthe mound Some Japanese fans, mostly the men, were in elaborate , colorful costumes complete with white face makeup
ithink they may have been cartoon characters
huge contingent of visitors much more than usual
Tigers pitcher Justin Verlander was scratched from his long-awaited return start with a hamstring injury. "I've always said I want to play until the wheels fall off, and I don't know, maybe they are falling off."
(From The Athletic)
Snakebit team right now. Inventing new injuries. See: Perez, Wenceel.
Skenes is 0-5 with a 4.03 ERA in his last 7 starts.
Congrats to Buster Posey for finding a way to make the Giants Pride Night kerfuffle even worse.
His front-office career continues to be off to a real banger of a start.
Add this to things you've never seen in a baseball game:
https://x.com/SNYtv/status/2069598239267996041/video/1?s=46
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 23, 2026, 08:52:04 PMAdd this to things you've never seen in a baseball game:
https://x.com/SNYtv/status/2069598239267996041/video/1?s=46
MVPete was out twice there. Impressive.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 23, 2026, 09:33:08 PMMVPete was out twice there. Impressive.
Wrong call though.
Runner is entitled to the base unless he attempts to advance beyond the base or slides past the base. A runner is considered to have passed a base if he has both feet on the ground beyond the back edge of the base or beyond the edge of the base in the direction in which they are advancing.
The second base ump originally had it correct when he didn't make an out or safe call and told everyone "it's ball four".
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 23, 2026, 09:46:17 PMWrong call though.
Runner is entitled to the base unless he attempts to advance beyond the base or slides past the base. A runner is considered to have passed a base if he has both feet on the ground beyond the back edge of the base or beyond the edge of the base in the direction in which they are advancing.
The second base ump originally had it correct when he didn't make an out or safe call and told everyone "it's ball four".
Got it. Had it on mute and missed that it was a walk.
Only 2 AL teams have a positive run differential. Crazy.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 23, 2026, 09:46:17 PMWrong call though.
He looks clearly out to me. The first tag is meaningless and he is awarded 2nd because of the walk. He then leaves the base and is tagged (left hand) a second time. Out.
Rule 5.09(b)(6) Comment:
PLAY—Runner on first and three balls on batter: Runner steals on the next pitch, which is fourth ball, but after having touched second he overslides or overruns that base. Catcher's throw catches him before he can return.
Ruling is that runner is out.
I was able to find a similar (but more extreme) example here with the same call:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ee-gjbWWQLU?is=1t-UitPvXN-pKcCD
Quote from: lostpassword on June 24, 2026, 12:00:25 AMHe looks clearly out to me. The first tag is meaningless and he is awarded 2nd because of the walk. He then leaves the base and is tagged (left hand) a second time. Out.
Rule 5.09(b)(6) Comment:
PLAY—Runner on first and three balls on batter: Runner steals on the next pitch, which is fourth ball, but after having touched second he overslides or overruns that base. Catcher's throw catches him before he can return.
Ruling is that runner is out.
I was able to find a similar (but more extreme) example here with the same call:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ee-gjbWWQLU?is=1t-UitPvXN-pKcCD
I think it depends if 5.06(b) applies or not in this situation. 5.05(b) doesn't say "if he comes off the base" it says "if he slides past the base after touching" which I believe would be considered trying to advance beyond the base he is entitled to.
Essentially, if you are trying to advance beyond your entitled base you can absolutely be tagged out.
5.05(b):A batter who is entitled to first base because of a base on balls, including an award of first base to a batter by an umpire following a signal from a manager, must go to first base and touch the base before other base runners are forced to advance. This applies when bases are full and applies when a substitute runner is put into the game.
If, in advancing, the base runner thinks there is a play and he slides past the base before or after touching it he may be put out by the fielder tagging him. If he fails to touch the base to which he is entitled and attempts to advance beyond that base he may be put out by tagging him or the base he missed.
5.06 (b):A runner is considered to have passed a base if he has both feet on the ground beyond the back edge of the base or beyond the edge of the base in the direction in which he is advancing.
The direction the runner is advancing determines the edges of the base when defining when a runner has passed a base.
I mean, he is out by rule, but jeez...I don't think I have ever seen that called. I guess since the Mets challenge, they really have no choice but to go by the book.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2026, 08:30:00 AMI mean, he is out by rule, but jeez...I don't think I have ever seen that called. I guess since the Mets challenge, they really have no choice but to go by the book.
This is where I'm at as well. Silly for that to be an out but no choice.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 06:00:26 AMI think it depends if 5.06(b) applies or not in this situation. 5.05(b) doesn't say "if he comes off the base" it says "if he slides past the base after touching" which I believe would be considered trying to advance beyond the base he is entitled to.
I don't think the PCA situation is what was envisioned in these rules and ergo room for interpretation. An argument could be made he slid past (at least the first arm did). I do find it a lot easier to be pedantic and justify "why is he out" than explain why that tag doesn't count.
I think coming off the base IS sliding past the base after touching. Once you touch, and then lose contact, you are considered "past the base." Otherwise, how would be able to judge it?
The simple solution would be to have a rule that makes this case an exception.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2026, 09:33:02 AMThe simple solution would be to have a rule that makes this case an exception.
The addition of replay has added so many unique situations the rules could have never dreamed up. Before replay, the second base ump would have simply told everyone it was ball four and that was that.
Which is actually what the second base ump did.
Funny thing is had he not touched the base at all, he would have been ruled safe.
Could that have been ruled as interference? He shouldn't have been obstructed going to the base, right?
Cubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 12:50:25 PMCubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:
- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
I think Steele splitting his time between the Cubs and coaching Miami (OH) probably doesn't help.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 24, 2026, 01:03:09 PMI think Steele splitting his time between the Cubs and coaching Miami (OH) probably doesn't help.
Haha damn it. Had college basketball on the mind.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 12:50:25 PMCubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:
- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
Tigers fan can relate.
The Mariners have too many starting pitchers - 6 in the rotation now, 5 of whom are good to very good; and Luis Castillo, who was good as recently as last season but has mostly struggled this year. In addition, The Athletic says they have the two top pitching prospects in the minors, including one who is ready for a promotion but isn't getting called up because there isn't room in the rotation.
Meanwhile, they could use a right-handed bat. Either Suzuki or Shaw would probably work.
How 'bout it, Cubbieland ... Let's make a deal!
Quote from: MU82 on June 24, 2026, 03:02:18 PMEither Suzuki or Shaw would probably work.
How 'bout it, Cubbieland ... Let's make a deal!
I'm not opposed to this.
Shaw would get a better return with his years of control while Suzuki would be a rental. Suzuki has a no trade clause, however, the Japanese players do seem to enjoy the west coast being closer to home.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2026, 12:50:25 PMCubs need to fire their strength and conditioning team.
Cubs Starting Pitchers:
- Shota Imanaga
Edward Cabrera 15 dayJameson Taillon 15 day- Colin Rea
Matthew Boyd 15 dayCade Horton 60 dayBen Brown 15 dayTravis Steele 60 day
Injuries aren't excuses
Quote from: MU82 on June 24, 2026, 03:02:18 PMThe Mariners have too many starting pitchers - 6 in the rotation now, 5 of whom are good to very good; and Luis Castillo, who was good as recently as last season but has mostly struggled this year. In addition, The Athletic says they have the two top pitching prospects in the minors, including one who is ready for a promotion but isn't getting called up because there isn't room in the rotation.
Meanwhile, they could use a right-handed bat. Either Suzuki or Shaw would probably work.
How 'bout it, Cubbieland ... Let's make a deal!
Cubs decide to trade for Peterson from the Mets instead. He's been pretty bad, but the silver lining is he is a pitch to contact/ground ball pitcher, and the Cubs have a ton of above average fielders. So maybe it is the right change of scenery for him
Quote from: JWags85 on June 25, 2026, 10:16:21 AMCubs decide to trade for Peterson from the Mets instead. He's been pretty bad, but the silver lining is he is a pitch to contact/ground ball pitcher, and the Cubs have a ton of above average fielders. So maybe it is the right change of scenery for him
Cubs still need more pitching. And as long as they're open to mediocrity ... Luis Castillo is available!
Cubs are a weird unnatural carnal knowledgeing team.
So grateful for this Brewers organization after watching them make the playoffs twice in the first 27 years of my life.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 24, 2026, 08:20:15 PMInjuries aren't excuses
I agree. The starting pitching they've thrown together wasn't the problem. It was the offense.
Big series this weekend. Looks like the Cubs have some momentum. Hopefully the Brewers can take 2/3 and stop that a bit.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 26, 2026, 06:35:19 AMLooks like the Cubs have some momentum.
Roller coaster of a season.
- March 25 to May 8: 27-12 (.692) Best in MLB
- May 9 to June 10: 7-22 (.241) Worst in MLB
- June 11 to Present: 10-3 (.769) Best in MLB
Source Chris Kamka
Stunner ... Mets fire Mendoza.
I guess when you give up 285 RBI to Dansby Swanson in one series, that's the last straw!
Quote from: MU82 on June 26, 2026, 11:53:41 AMStunner ... Mets fire Mendoza.
I guess when you give up 285 RBI to Dansby Swanson in one series, that's the last straw!
Stearns fighting for his job
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 26, 2026, 09:35:46 AMRoller coaster of a season.
- March 25 to May 8: 27-12 (.692) Best in MLB
- May 9 to June 10: 7-22 (.241) Worst in MLB
- June 11 to Present: 10-3 (.769) Best in MLB
Source Chris Kamka
Most teams that aren't Mets, Giants, and Rockies would go 9-2 against the Mets, Giants, and Rockies ;D
I think most of the Cubs roller coaster is a product of their schedule. Cubs are currently 20-24 against teams with a run differential higher than -20 (and 6-1 of that is against the Phillies before they changed managers). They're 24-13 against teams below that. Their schedule has featured two long stretches of soft teams where to their credit, they took care of business. Once the schedule picked up, they spiraled.
Cubs haven't won a series against a team with better than a -47 run differential since May 3rd. Gonna need to see more against good teams before I believe they are back.
Of course now that I've posted this, they are going to sweep the Brewers.
All true.
baseball is a long season - hottest team in baseball a month ago is back to .500 but still in first place I am told every day...
I wouldn't lump the Giants in with those other teams. Bad, sure. But at least they play baseball.
Quote from: BM1090 on June 26, 2026, 02:56:11 PMI wouldn't lump the Giants in with those other teams. Bad, sure. But at least they play baseball.
The Giants of the second worst record in the majors and tied for the second worst run differential Giants? Those Giants?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 26, 2026, 03:27:16 PMThe Giants of the second worst record in the majors and tied for the second worst run differential Giants? Those Giants?
Yeah. I mean, small sample. But I've watched those three teams play 5-6 games each. The Giants (other than Devers) seem like they're trying to win.
The other two are just going through the motions. They still suck thouhg.
Quote from: PointWarrior on June 26, 2026, 01:29:12 PMbaseball is a long season - hottest team in baseball a month ago is back to .500 but still in first place I am told every day...
Most of us let the standings tell us what place a team is in, but it's OK if you use a Ouija board.
But yes, despite being in first place, the Mariners are the definition of mediocrity.
I never realized Ernie Clement was the best player in the AL.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 26, 2026, 12:24:40 PMMost teams that aren't Mets, Giants, and Rockies would go 9-2 against the Mets, Giants, and Rockies ;D
I think most of the Cubs roller coaster is a product of their schedule. Cubs are currently 20-24 against teams with a run differential higher than -20 (and 6-1 of that is against the Phillies before they changed managers). They're 24-13 against teams below that. Their schedule has featured two long stretches of soft teams where to their credit, they took care of business. Once the schedule picked up, they spiraled.
Cubs haven't won a series against a team with better than a -47 run differential since May 3rd. Gonna need to see more against good teams before I believe they are back.
Of course now that I've posted this, they are going to sweep the Brewers.
I am worried because the Cubs are playing in a modern stadium instead of that sh*thole that is their home field. The cream rises to the top when you get to play in places like AFF.
Miz hit 105.5 vs PCA...
I'm not sure what you do about it but the Brewers offense is a problem. 1-30 RISP this week
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DaFuyautpfH/?l=1
Quote from: wadesworld on June 27, 2026, 12:21:36 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DaFuyautpfH/?l=1
His IQ is much lower than Miz's average fastball mph.
Quote from: MU82 on June 27, 2026, 02:55:09 PMHis IQ is much lower than Miz's average fastball mph.
but his (perceived) vertical is much higher.
Tough to have a loss more frustrating than that one.
Embarrassing series by the Brewers with a chance to put the division significantly out of reach. They're not good enough on offense or in the bullpen. Big swings needed in the next month.
It's July 1, so today's the day Bobby Bonilla gets his annual $1.93 million payment from the Mets, which he has received every year since 2011 and will get through 2035 as part of a contract buyout decades ago. Remains the quirkiest deal in sports.
(From The Athletic)
Quote from: MU82 on July 01, 2026, 12:15:58 PMIt's July 1, so today's the day Bobby Bonilla gets his annual $1.93 million payment from the Mets, which he has received every year since 2011 and will get through 2035 as part of a contract buyout decades ago. Remains the quirkiest deal in sports.
(From The Athletic)
Bruce Sutter's deal with the Braves got him around $1.2 million a year until he passed away in 2022 and that deal was signed in 1984.
For all the very justified jokes about and towards MVPete...he's been playing absolutely out of his damn mind the last few weeks
Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 04:41:49 PMFor all the very justified jokes about and towards MVPete...he's been playing absolutely out of his damn mind the last few weeks
Steroids have kicked in
Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 04:41:49 PMFor all the very justified jokes about and towards MVPete...he's been playing absolutely out of his damn mind the last few weeks
He's Pete-ing too soon
Terrible call in the Brewers game.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 01, 2026, 04:41:49 PMFor all the very justified jokes about and towards MVPete...he's been playing absolutely out of his damn mind the last few weeks
Added 3.1 fWAR in June alone.
Mel Ott ... Jimmie Foxx ... Joe DiMaggio ... Lou Gehrig ...
And Dansby Swanson!
The all-time great Cubbie slugger now has 26 RBIs in his last 10 games - the most by any MLB player in 87 years.
According to Baseball Reference, that's the fourth-highest 10-game total in MLB history, tied with Ott (1929), and only 1 RBI behind Foxx (1933), DiMaggio (1939) and Gehrig (1930) in MLB history.
With PCA being the MVP and Swanson being one jog the greatest hitters ever, the Cubs magic number must be getting pretty low.
Quote from: MU82 on July 02, 2026, 11:59:33 AMAnd Dansby Swanson!
Believe I saw he became the 22nd player in history to have 5 home runs in two games. He came about two feet away from being the first player with 6.
Granted, one was off a position player pitching.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 02, 2026, 12:06:52 PMGranted, one was off a position player pitching.
...and that homerun pitch came in at 43 mph.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on July 02, 2026, 12:18:54 PM...and that homerun pitch came in at 43 mph.
Which means he provided all the power! Haha.
Well, that 91 mph exit velocity needed some help from the Wrigley wind that was blowing out hard all day.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on July 02, 2026, 12:36:11 PMWell, that 91 mph exit velocity needed some help from the Wrigley wind that was blowing out hard all day.
I wish Swanson hit that off a Cardinals position player. The fanbase would have swarmed Wrigley like it was the Capitol on January 6th all over again.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 02, 2026, 12:06:52 PMBelieve I saw he became the 22nd player in history to have 5 home runs in two games. He came about two feet away from being the first player with 6.
MVPete might get so jealous he'll tell that effen b!tch Dansby to suck his d!ck!
Flood might test positive for ivermectin.
https://x.com/cubscreator/status/2073118950183809496?s=46
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 03, 2026, 03:17:45 PMFlood might test positive for ivermectin.
https://x.com/cubscreator/status/2073118950183809496?s=46
Probably sewage.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 03, 2026, 03:54:32 PMProbably sewage.
Looks pretty clear. Maybe it's only urine and not other sewage
Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 03, 2026, 04:38:24 PMLooks pretty clear. Maybe it's only urine and not other sewage
Yeah checks out.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 02, 2026, 12:06:52 PMGranted, one was off a position player pitching.
yadier is rolling in his grave
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 03, 2026, 04:53:32 PMyadier is rolling in his grave
Unlike a baseball off his chest protector
Put in MVPca to pitch
Scoring 23 one game, allowing 17 the next.
People are saying that the Cubbies are moving to Hammond.
Quote from: MU82 on July 03, 2026, 07:50:27 PMScoring 23 one game, allowing 17 the next.
People are saying that the Cubbies are moving to Hammond.
Corporations are people too and the Cubs have been diagnosed as bipolar
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 03, 2026, 08:01:21 PMCorporations are people too and the Cubs have been diagnosed as bipolar
Maybe another generic country bar down the street would cheer them up
They were only 16 Dansby Swanson HRs from taking the game into extra innings.
Quote from: MU82 on July 03, 2026, 08:54:21 PMThey were only 16 Dansby Swanson HRs from taking the game into extra innings.
Unfortunately no HR to dead center where PCA could pull them back
So, maybe the White Sox weren't robbed in the 2024 Fedde/Kopech trade after all?
Got a whole 1.5 starts out of woody this time.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 04, 2026, 10:02:02 PMGot a whole 1.5 starts out of woody this time.
I mean who could have seen this coming except everyone.
They need to make the big splash this year with someone like Skubal
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 05, 2026, 07:55:54 AMI mean who could have seen this coming except everyone.
They need to make the big splash this year with someone like Skubal
That would be great for them. But should the Brewers fail to win the Skubal sweepstakes ... the Mariners have 6 decent to great starters, as well as MLB's top two pitching prospects. They need an effective RH bat in return.
White Sox/Guardians have played 7 games against one another.
6 games decided by 1 run, other game decided by 2 runs.
Both teams still to get their big bat back.
Could be a great race the rest of the way, very evenly matched.
From what I've read, the Brewers have a plethora of great young talent coming up soon. Would they realistically part with some of them for Skubal?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 05, 2026, 06:07:29 PMFrom what I've read, the Brewers have a plethora of great young talent coming up soon. Would they realistically part with some of them for Skubal?
Obviously not Made. Hopefully not Fischer. They should call Fischer up if they get Skubal. They aren't going to win a series against the Dodgers if they aren't scoring more than 4 runs in it, and they won't with this lineup. Fischer mashes everywhere he plays.
They should've left Pratt down and let everyone think he was something other than Joey Ortiz 2.0 and included him in a Skubal package.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 05, 2026, 06:37:09 PMObviously not Made. Hopefully not Fischer. They should call Fischer up if they get Skubal. They aren't going to win a series against the Dodgers if they aren't scoring more than 4 runs in it, and they won't with this lineup. Fischer mashes everywhere he plays.
They should've left Pratt down and let everyone think he was something other than Joey Ortiz 2.0 and included him in a Skubal package.
Hmmm....okay. I'll take your word here.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 05, 2026, 06:37:09 PMObviously not Made. Hopefully not Fischer. They should call Fischer up if they get Skubal. They aren't going to win a series against the Dodgers if they aren't scoring more than 4 runs in it, and they won't with this lineup. Fischer mashes everywhere he plays.
They should've left Pratt down and let everyone think he was something other than Joey Ortiz 2.0 and included him in a Skubal package.
There's a reason Fischer was slower to get to AA. He has the splits of Joey Gallo. His power is tantalizing, but he won't be show ready for a bit
Marlins starter Eury Perez had a perfect game through 7 innings yesterday, and his team led the A's 8-0. But it was only his third start back from the IL (leg strain), and team officials had decided beforehand that he would throw only about 90 pitches. So even though he was still firing it 98 mph and was in total command, Perez was pulled after 92 pitches by manager Clayton McCullough.
The Marlins have been one of MLB's surprise teams - they're tied with St. Louis for the last NL wild-card spot - and McCullough said he was thinking about both the team's postseason aspirations and Perez's long-term health.
FWIW, the Marlins almost blew the lead after Perez was pulled, winning 9-8.
Brewers bring up another top 100 prospect that isn't quite one of their blue chippers in Luis Lara. Will be fascinated where they try to carve out playing time with Mitchell playing as well as he is. Wonder if they can give Yelich an extended break before the ASG
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 07, 2026, 10:11:57 AMBrewers bring up another top 100 prospect that isn't quite one of their blue chippers in Luis Lara. Will be fascinated where they try to carve out playing time with Mitchell playing as well as he is. Wonder if they can give Yelich an extended break before the ASG
Sal Frelick, 3B
As always, Cardinals fans showing out today. Packed to the brims as they make a push to chase the division leaders.
To be fair, this is a rescheduled game from May and there is a game later tonight.
The Brewers are a hilarious team.
Somehow have a horrible offense to watch, yet score a lot of runs. Doesn't feel like they have enough on offense to win a World Series but maybe the product isn't finished quite yet.
Amazing how they just keep winning.
They don't have enough offense.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 07, 2026, 04:20:19 PMThey don't have enough offense.
Correct. This team is no different than last year's. Their offense scored a lot in the regular season because the weather is hot and they grind out opposing pitching staffs. Come October, everyone is grinding out opposing pitching staffs and everyone else has more pop in their lineup.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 07, 2026, 04:20:19 PMThey don't have enough offense.
Agreed, but I'll give them the deadline to try and actually do something for once.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 07, 2026, 04:13:16 PMThe Brewers are a hilarious team.
Somehow have a horrible offense to watch, yet score a lot of runs. Doesn't feel like they have enough on offense to win a World Series but maybe the product isn't finished quite yet.
Amazing how they just keep winning.
Same as it has been. They are good enough to win a lot of games through attrition. Nothing about this team tells me they can win a best of 7 in October
Everyone needs to calm down. The Brewers are legit! They will add a few pieces before the deadline. I agree they need to add a bat but I expect that to happen.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 06:20:07 PMEveryone needs to calm down. The Brewers are legit! They will add a few pieces before the deadline. I agree they need to add a bat but I expect that to happen.
Narrator: it will not happen
Looking good right now!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 07, 2026, 08:55:36 PMLooking good right now!
2nd best record in MLB and people here are attacking them. I understand the playoffs are a different animal, but that's a damn good team and organization.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 09:46:04 PM2nd best record in MLB and people here are attacking them. I understand the playoffs are a different animal, but that's a damn good team and organization.
I think they deserve to be critiqued. You can't go this long without a title and not be critiqued.
They shouldn't sell the farm, but they should offload some pieces to get better. They are very good. They should be trying to be the best.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on July 07, 2026, 09:48:30 PMI think they deserve to be critiqued. You can't go this long without a title and not be critiqued.
They shouldn't sell the farm, but they should offload some pieces to get better. They are very good. They should be trying to be the best.
That's fine but criticize after the deadline is all I'm saying.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 09:46:04 PM2nd best record in MLB and people here are attacking them. I understand the playoffs are a different animal, but that's a damn good team and organization.
No one is attacking them. Good lord. They are pointing out their weakness is hitting for power, which is important in the post season.
It's doubtful they do much at the deadline simply based on history.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 06:20:07 PMEveryone needs to calm down. The Brewers are legit! They will add a few pieces before the deadline. I agree they need to add a bat but I expect that to happen.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 07, 2026, 09:53:11 PMThat's fine but criticize after the deadline is all I'm saying.
The voice of patience and levelheadedness on scoop, as always.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 08, 2026, 05:25:42 AMNo one is attacking them. Good lord. They are pointing out their weakness is hitting for power, which is important in the post season.
It's doubtful they do much at the deadline simply based on history.
They're being unfairly attacked imo. They are 58-33. Each season is different and the Dodgers are an absolute beast. Every team has weaknesses in comparison to them. Let's wait and see what they do before the deadline.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 08, 2026, 06:02:40 AMThe voice of patience and levelheadedness on scoop, as always.
I can be calm with issues that require patience. Not so much when action and urgency is imperative. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 08, 2026, 07:06:47 AMThey're being unfairly attacked imo. They are 58-33. Each season is different and the Dodgers are an absolute beast. Every team has weaknesses in comparison to them. Let's wait and see what they do before the deadline.
OK, well wake me when you have a cogent baseball thought.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 08, 2026, 07:26:35 AMOK, well wake me when you have a cogent baseball thought.
Were they not one of the final four teams last year? Yes, they need to add pop at the plate for the playoffs. If they don't pull the trigger it could be costly. But you're acting like they have no chance which is foolish and a defeatest mindset.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 08, 2026, 08:00:02 AMWere they not one of the final four teams last year? Yes, they need to add pop at the plate for the playoffs. If they don't pull the trigger it could be costly. But you're acting like they have no chance which is foolish and a defeatest mindset.
Good thing Sultan isn't playing
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 08, 2026, 08:01:22 AMGood thing Sultan isn't playing
Yes. Your mindset cannot be we've lost before the game has even been played. That's a terrible state of mind in all endeavors.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 08, 2026, 08:06:04 AMYes. You're mindset cannot be we've lost before the game has even been played. That's a terrible state of mind in all endeavors.
Brother, you're on scoop
The Brewers have great depth and are good at putting pressure on teams with timely hitting (although not lately with RISP) and aggressive baserunning. They have number of good starting pitchers to keep them in games. Also, their defense saves a lot of runs.
However, when you are facing top pitchers and high-leverage relievers, it's a lot easier to score when you have the chance on a single swing of the bat. The tough part for the Brewers in scoring run is it takes stringing some hits together.
The bottom of the order is starting to hit a little, but that was a dead zone in the playoffs. Add that to any of your top guys slumping and it's tough to beat a team like the Dodgers.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 08, 2026, 08:50:38 AMThe Brewers have great depth and are good at putting pressure on teams with timely hitting (although not lately with RISP) and aggressive baserunning. They have number of good starting pitchers to keep them in games. Also, their defense saves a lot of runs.
However, when you are facing top pitchers and high-leverage relievers, it's a lot easier to score when you have the chance on a single swing of the bat. The tough part for the Brewers in scoring run is it takes stringing some hits together.
The bottom of the order is starting to hit a little, but that was a dead zone in the playoffs. Add that to any of your top guys slumping and it's tough to beat a team like the Dodgers.
I'd still get Skubal before a bat but doubt they do either. Buxton is the dream.
Suarez, Ward, and Adell are all lottery tickets. Maybe they hit better after a trade, but right now, eh.
Market will be weird with how bad the AL is. Angels and Royals look like the only teams dead in the water. One hit streak for just about anyone else and they're right there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 08, 2026, 09:20:45 AMI'd still get Skubal before a bat but doubt they do either. Buxton is the dream.
Suarez, Ward, and Adell are all lottery tickets. Maybe they hit better after a trade, but right now, eh.
Market will be weird with how bad the AL is. Angels and Royals look like the only teams dead in the water. One hit streak for just about anyone else and they're right there.
The Mariners want a RH bat but because, as you said, so many teams still consider themselves alive for the postseason, only scraps are available. And the Mariners and Brewers will have plenty of competition for those scraps.
What could happen more than most years at the deadline is that legit contenders could make deals with each other. Division Leader A has enough starting pitching but needs a bat; Division Leader B has extra hitters but needs an arm. That kind of thing.
Or maybe it'll just be a nothing deadline with only a couple of big names (like Skubal) moving and not much else happening.
Crew takes 4 out of 5 in St. Louis while visiting the Paris of the Midwest
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 10, 2026, 07:58:25 AMCrew takes 4 out of 5 in St. Louis while visiting the Paris of the Midwest
Not to mention Churio switching to his non-dominant hand against a position player pitcher to please the baseball gods. Praise be to Yadi.
Yeah, but how did Sheek do?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 10, 2026, 07:58:25 AMCrew takes 4 out of 5 in St. Louis while visiting the Paris of the Midwest
And Miz gets to pitch on Sunday so no wasting his arm on a meaningless exhibition next week.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on July 10, 2026, 08:17:47 AMNot to mention Churio switching to his non-dominant hand against a position player pitcher to please the baseball gods. Praise be to Yadi.
You know Yadi would have called for a pitch at his head the next game for disrespecting the unwritten rules.
One more reason to not care about the All-Star Game: Shohei's not gonna be there.
Hot Take: Tristan Peters should have replaced Buxton in the ASG instead of Murakami.
Quote from: Dish on July 10, 2026, 09:04:10 PMHot Take: Tristan Peters should have replaced Buxton in the ASG instead of Murakami.
Well, look at that...
"Arm fatigue" for the Miz.
Dodgers blown out again by AZ. And Yamamoto got rocked. Hope the boys in blue can turn this around in their final couple of games before the all star break.
Last year the Phillies get all up in arms when the MLB puts Miz into the All Star Game and not their own guys...only for it to come out that Phillies players got offered spots in the All Star Game and declined them before Miz got invited.
This year Zack Wheeler calls it BS that he doesn't get in the All Star Game, then gets invited and says he was disrespected by not getting the original invite. Can't wait for the Phillies to b1tch about whoever the MLB chooses as a replacement.
For a team that got tied for the most All Stars of any MLB team at 6, they sure do love to b1tch about who makes the All Star Game. Especially since they're in the 2nd Wild Card spot in the NL.
I'd speculate that it might be Orion Kerkering, but he'd just throw away the opportunity.
I might officially allow myself some excitement for the white Sox, being in first at the all star break might activate those permissions
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2026, 12:16:39 AM"Arm fatigue" for the Miz.
Should try using his left hand as a change of pace to save his energy for pitching.
not good, seems like "arm fatigue" for the whole Brewer's pitching staff.
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2026, 12:16:39 AM"Arm fatigue" for the Miz.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 13, 2026, 10:48:58 AMI might officially allow myself some excitement for the white Sox, being in first at the all star break might activate those permissions
That is the most unlikely story in MLB. Myself and most WS fans would have been very pleased with the progress of a 60 win season.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 13, 2026, 10:48:58 AMI might officially allow myself some excitement for the white Sox, being in first at the all star break might activate those permissions
What's their record against winning teams?
Quote from: wadesworld on July 13, 2026, 02:10:04 PMWhat's their record against winning teams?
Irrelevant. You can only play who's on your schedule.
That said, it's 15-18. But 8 of those losses came before April 17, and they're definitely not the same team they were three months ago.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2026, 02:37:07 PMIrrelevant. You can only play who's on your schedule.
That said, it's 15-18. But 8 of those losses came before April 17, and they're definitely not the same team they were three months ago.
Pretty sure that was a joke
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 13, 2026, 02:40:49 PMPretty sure that was a joke
The White Sox are serious business, mister.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 13, 2026, 05:13:49 PMThe White Sox are serious business, mister.
Exactly why there should be no joy. Now that you're a real team, viewing should be painful at all moments
Quote from: wadesworld on July 13, 2026, 02:10:04 PMWhat's their record against winning teams?
I'll punish myself accordingly
Derby was great.
Unrelated, few have had a rougher career tumble than Will Ferrell.
Quote from: Dish on July 13, 2026, 10:15:07 PMDerby was great.
Unrelated, few have had a rougher career tumble than Will Ferrell.
I'd say both his "Old School" co-stars have had rougher career tumbles.
Dylan Cease will be the first Blue Jays pitcher to start the All-Star Game since Roy Halladay in 2009.
Cristopher Sánchez will be the first Phillies pitcher to start the All-Star Game since Roy Halladay in 2011.
Sox had to pay $10M for a prospect to be excited about them. Consider that before you start expressing hope for free.
Thank God Christopher Sanchez got the start!
That didn't look good for Caminero.
Brewers acquiring Lance McCullers from the Astros for some reason.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2026, 09:56:10 AMBrewers acquiring Lance McCullers from the Astros for some reason.
Pitching lab must have asked for a real challenge. Well, they got one.
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 14, 2026, 03:59:46 PMSox had to pay $10M for a prospect to be excited about them. Consider that before you start expressing hope for free.
Market. Number one overall picks:
2026: Roch Cholowsky, Shortstop, Chicago White Sox $10.35 million
2025: Eli Willits, Shortstop, Washington Nationals $8.2 million
2024: Travis Bazzana, Second Baseman, Cleveland Guardians $8.95 million
2023: Paul Skenes, Pitcher, Pittsburgh Pirates $9.2 million
2022: Jackson Holliday, Shortstop, Baltimore Orioles $8.19 million
Quote from: Pakuni on July 15, 2026, 09:56:10 AMBrewers acquiring Lance McCullers from the Astros for some reason.
Just eating innings.
Brewers love acquiring former aces long past their prime around the deadline. Doubt the pitching lab can save this one.
Quote from: LloydsLegs on July 15, 2026, 10:35:15 AMMarket. Number one overall picks:
2026: Roch Cholowsky, Shortstop, Chicago White Sox $10.35 million
2025: Eli Willits, Shortstop, Washington Nationals $8.2 million
2024: Travis Bazzana, Second Baseman, Cleveland Guardians $8.95 million
2023: Paul Skenes, Pitcher, Pittsburgh Pirates $9.2 million
2022: Jackson Holliday, Shortstop, Baltimore Orioles $8.19 million
It's a joke, Legs. The money is fine and is in fact below slot.
I think I stumbled upon next year's unreleased ASG logo buried on MLB.com (https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/upload/t_w1024/mlb/lbfmkhxattkazwf3nowv.png).
(https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/upload/t_w1024/mlb/lbfmkhxattkazwf3nowv.png)
Mets are reportedly open for business.
If Detroit continues to play well and therefore does not trade Skubal and/or Mize, they need to add a right-handed bat, preferably one that can play CF.
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2026, 05:15:10 PMIf Detroit continues to play well and therefore does not trade Skubal and/or Mize, they need to add a right-handed bat, preferably one that can play CF.
There are a dozen teams looking for a RH bat, so get in line!
The five AL West teams picked up right where they left off. They combined to go 0-5 on Friday, and were outscored 50-8.
Quote from: MU82 on July 17, 2026, 05:46:38 PMThere are a dozen teams looking for a RH bat, so get in line!
Hopefully Baez and Torres can get healthy and stay healthy.
Can't imagine a manager winning Manager of the Year 3 times in a row, but as of now, Murph is the runaway leader.
Quote from: Jockey on July 19, 2026, 11:26:01 AMCan't imagine a manager winning Manager of the Year 3 times in a row, but as of now, Murph is the runaway leader.
Wut? According to who? There literally isn't a major betting house that has him in the top 3, much less the "runaway leader" and his odds aren't much different than preseason.
Mattingly is the clear favorite, with McCullough from the Marlins and Weiss in Atlanta behind him, depending who you look at. Pretty much every mid year article chose Mattingly.
You can think he deserves it, sure. But saying he's the runaway leader is hilariously off base.
Ohtani pausing on pitching.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 19, 2026, 11:58:08 AMWut? According to who? There literally isn't a major betting house that has him in the top 3, much less the "runaway leader" and his odds aren't much different than preseason.
Mattingly is the clear favorite, with McCullough from the Marlins and Weiss in Atlanta behind him, depending who you look at. Pretty much every mid year article chose Mattingly.
You can think he deserves it, sure. But saying he's the runaway leader is hilariously off base.
Mattingly is coaching a team of All- stars. Maybe the best starting staff in baseball. He has Sanchez, Wheeler, Luzardo, and Nola. He has future HoFers on offense. He should win games with that team.
The Brewers are starting all rookies or near rookies on the mound. Yet, they have a much better record.
Weiss has no chance. Blown a huge lead and will be lucky to win a division.
McCullough is the only one close to Murph.
Sean Burke's last six starts:
38.2 IP, 6 ER (1.40 ERA), 47 K, 6 BB
Pretty, pretty good.
Contreras just hit a walk-off for the Brewers.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2026, 04:01:36 PMContreras just hit a walk-off for the Brewers.
Completely classless walkoff. The world longs for Yadier Molina.
3 rookie starters for the Brewers = 3 wins.
Quote from: Jockey on July 19, 2026, 01:30:00 PMMattingly is coaching a team of All- stars. Maybe the best starting staff in baseball. He has Sanchez, Wheeler, Luzardo, and Nola. He has future HoFers on offense. He should win games with that team.
The Brewers are starting all rookies or near rookies on the mound. Yet, they have a much better record.
Weiss has no chance. Blown a huge lead and will be lucky to win a division.
McCullough is the only one close to Murph.
Did you read what Wags wrote? Nobody is saying Murphy's not doing a fine job, or even that he's undeserving of the award. But the people who actually vote on it keep writing/talking about Mattingly, and the betting lines favor Mattingly, too.
Quote from: MU82 on July 19, 2026, 06:53:15 PMDid you read what Wags wrote? Nobody is saying Murphy's not doing a fine job, or even that he's undeserving of the award. But the people who actually vote on it keep writing/talking about Mattingly, and the betting lines favor Mattingly, too.
I understood. And I don't dislike Mattingly at all. Murph has just done a better team. Low budget team that's one game away from having the best record in baseball.
Quote from: Jockey on July 19, 2026, 07:05:18 PMI understood. And I don't dislike Mattingly at all. Murph has just done a better team. Low budget team that's one game away from having the best record in baseball.
OK. But your reasonable arguments and/or what you want to see happen doesn't make Murph the "runaway leader," right?
I feel like the Brewers would have to significantly overperform for him to win a third year in a row. Also, maybe they just have really good players.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 19, 2026, 08:30:35 PMI feel like the Brewers would have to significantly overperform for him to win a third year in a row. Also, maybe they just have really good players.
Can't win manager of the year when you willingly bat Yelich leadoff every game
It's strange because the Brewers won 97 games last year. The pre-season predictions where somewhere in the mid-80s. Yet they're on pace to win 96-97 again.
Murph's a good manager but I have no idea if he is overperforming or just doing what he did last year.
Quote from: MU82 on July 19, 2026, 07:14:43 PMOK. But your reasonable arguments and/or what you want to see happen doesn't make Murph the "runaway leader," right?
As of
right now, based on results, he is definitely the leader. And if he hadn't won the last 2 years, IMO, he would be the runaway leader.
Remember, there were years that Jordan didn't win MVP when he was the runaway best player in the league.
None of my comments were meant to disparage any of the other managers.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 20, 2026, 08:06:51 AMIt's strange because the Brewers won 97 games last year. The pre-season predictions where somewhere in the mid-80s. Yet they're on pace to win 96-97 again.
Murph's a good manager but I have no idea if he is overperforming or just doing what he did last year.
I tend to think it's more of an organizational achievement than Murph's managing acumen.
Now, a manager does have navigate the locker room and we saw at the end of the Counsell era a locker room with bad vibes (again, organizational decisions, not managerial in that case). He hasn't had to deal with a petulant player like Burnes or a team blindsided by a Hader trade.
Having everyone aligned top down makes his job a bit easier. I'm more inclined to give it to McCullough right now who is working in an organization who many think is pretty poorly run.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2026, 09:38:49 AMI tend to think it's more of an organizational achievement than Murph's managing acumen.
Now, a manager does have navigate the locker room and we saw at the end of the Counsell era a locker room with bad vibes (again, organizational decisions, not managerial in that case). He hasn't had to deal with a petulant player like Burnes or a team blindsided by a Hader trade.
Having everyone aligned top down makes his job a bit easier. I'm more inclined to give it to McCullough right now who is working in an organization who many think is pretty poorly run.
I think the Pitching Lab being able to take talented guys who haven't put it together yet, and give them quality starts is a big thing. The offense is a little too hit or miss to have me confident the ceiling for this team is above the NLCS.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 20, 2026, 10:08:24 AMI think the Pitching Lab being able to take talented guys who haven't put it together yet, and give them quality starts is a big thing. The offense is a little too hit or miss to have me confident the ceiling for this team is above the NLCS.
Yesterday was a prime example of them needing another slugger. Though they won, that whole game was waiting for a slugger to hit a bomb and tie it or give them the lead.
Unfortunately, they aren't alone in needing a bopper.
I think Mattingly, McCullough, Murphy, and Weiss all have solid arguments at the moment:
Mattingly: Phillies were 9-19 (.321) before his promotion, and are 46-26 (.639) after. They went from being on pace for 52 wins to being on pace for 104 wins (if they had played this way since the beginning of the season).
McCullough: 12th best record and tied for WC berth despite being 29th in payroll, being in a poorly run organization, and being wildly picked to finish below .500.
Murphy: 2nd best record and current 2 seed in NL despite being 19th in payroll and being widely picked to fall off (again).
Weiss: 2nd largest season to season improvement in the NL. Braves won 76 games last season and are on pace to win 94 games (18 game improvement). Only NL team better is the last place Rockies but you don't win awards just for not being historically atrocious.
As a huge Murphy fan, I'd probably slot him behind Mattingly and McCullough but ahead of Weiss at the moment, but I think it's close between all four. With voter fatigue, I think the Phillies and Marlins would have to miss the playoffs for Murphy to get a threepeat.
Quote from: Jockey on July 20, 2026, 08:44:25 AMAs of right now, based on results, he is definitely the leader. And if he hadn't won the last 2 years, IMO, he would be the runaway leader.
Remember, there were years that Jordan didn't win MVP when he was the runaway best player in the league.
None of my comments were meant to disparage any of the other managers.
OK, Jock, I'll let you stay on this hill. Enjoy.
Quote from: Jockey on July 20, 2026, 08:44:25 AMAs of right now, based on results, he is definitely the leader. And if he hadn't won the last 2 years, IMO, he would be the runaway leader.
Remember, there were years that Jordan didn't win MVP when he was the runaway best player in the league.
None of my comments were meant to disparage any of the other managers.
If you want to say based on results he's the best manager in baseball, that's cool. But you said he's the favorite for MOTY, which he basically has no shot at winning again this year.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 20, 2026, 11:10:20 AMI think Mattingly, McCullough, Murphy, and Weiss all have solid arguments at the moment:
Mattingly: Phillies were 9-19 (.321) before his promotion, and are 46-26 (.639) after. They went from being on pace for 52 wins to being on pace for 104 wins (if they had played this way since the beginning of the season).
I didn't get around to it, but this is the key point for Mattingly. Jockey repeatedly mentioned the Brewers "much better record" as a knock on Mattingly vs Murphy, which seems to imply that Mattingly was the manager since the start. In reality, the Brewers and Phillies have basically the same record since Mattingly took over in late April.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 20, 2026, 11:10:20 AMMurphy: 2nd best record and current 2 seed in NL despite being 19th in payroll and being widely picked to fall off (again).
"Fall off" is pretty subjective IMO. Cause I don't think there was any publication/website of note that had the Brewers any lower than 2nd in the Central (multiple still had them besting the Cubs in the division) and I think nearly all still had them making the playoffs as a WC.
The MLB media environment, both traditional and digital, has a tendency to automatically venerate big money/big name rosters in the preseason...which obviously the Brewers are not. Its not a knock on Murphy or the Brewers, they are just a very good team with a lot of good players that are performing as such, not a result of a mad scientist manager pulling the right controversial levers or taking a risk on a random player...IMO. There are plenty of very talented, big money teams that face plant early and never correct or under-perform all year, so that's clearly why Mattingly is being rightly praised
Quote from: BM1090 on July 20, 2026, 12:57:15 PMIf you want to say based on results he's the best manager in baseball, that's cool. But you said he's the favorite for MOTY, which he basically has no shot at winning again this year.
EXACTLY. Murphy is a great manager and has rightly been recognized as such. But 2-3 different times he repeated that Murphy is the leader, much less the runaway leader...which is apparently he is in the Jockey Baseball Almanac, which is fine, but ridiculous to continue to assert its some league/media wise consensus.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 20, 2026, 01:14:50 PM"Fall off" is pretty subjective IMO. Cause I don't think there was any publication/website of note that had the Brewers any lower than 2nd in the Central (multiple still had them besting the Cubs in the division) and I think nearly all still had them making the playoffs as a WC.
The MLB media environment, both traditional and digital, has a tendency to automatically venerate big money/big name rosters in the preseason...which obviously the Brewers are not. Its not a knock on Murphy or the Brewers, they are just a very good team with a lot of good players that are performing as such, not a result of a mad scientist manager pulling the right controversial levers or taking a risk on a random player...IMO.
My recollection could certainly be flawed but I don't recall any major publications picking the Brewers to win the NL central. I remember a couple that picked them third (behind the Cubs/Pirates) and at least one that picked them fourth (only ahead of the Cardinals). IIRC, general consensus was that the Brewers weren't expected to make the playoffs (though I think all the articles I read made the same comment of, "...but we always say that so they'll probably make it."
I agree with your second paragraph. While I do think Murphy is fantastic, I think it's more a product of a great roster built by a great organization. I went into this season think that this roster was better than last year's roster and was surprised when most didn't seem to agree.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 20, 2026, 01:14:50 PM"Fall off" is pretty subjective IMO. Cause I don't think there was any publication/website of note that had the Brewers any lower than 2nd in the Central (multiple still had them besting the Cubs in the division) and I think nearly all still had them making the playoffs as a WC.
They were widely expected to finish about 10-12 games below where they were last season, finish second in the standings and make it as a Wild Card.
I think that is obviously a fall off from a 97 win team that had the best record in baseball last year.
Kick save and a beauty by Baltimore's Brandon Young:
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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 20, 2026, 02:01:34 PMI agree with your second paragraph. While I do think Murphy is fantastic, I think it's more a product of a great roster built by a great organization. I went into this season think that this roster was better than last year's roster and was surprised when most didn't seem to agree.
Totally agree. They have quite a few good players on the squad. They harken back to the early days (80s) of sabrmetrics when Bill James said the goal for every hitter is to not make an out. The Brewers haven't bought in to the '3 outcomes' that other teams still chase.
While I also thought the roster was better, that didn't extend to pitching. We had an unknown with Miz who we hoped would build on last year's success and an injury prone Woody. The rest of the starters were rookies or castoffs.
Quote from: MU82 on July 20, 2026, 02:09:14 PMKick save and a beauty by Baltimore's Brandon Young:
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More shots on goal than Argentina
Quote from: MU82 on July 20, 2026, 11:17:44 AMOK, Jock, I'll let you stay on this hill. Enjoy.
If needed, I appoint you to carry my dead body down.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 20, 2026, 11:10:20 AMMurphy: 2nd Best record and current 2 top overall seed in NL the majors despite being 19th in payroll and being widely picked to fall off (again).
FIFM ;D
7 games over .500, it can still come crashing down (Yankees/Rays/Red Sox gauntlet coming up next week), but this has been as enjoyable a Sox season as I can recall.
I know Cal Raleigh has had a horrible season so far, but ...
Did Reds manager Terry Francona REALLY have a LH reliever intentionally walk LH hitter Dominic Canzone to pitch to Raleigh with the bases loaded? By the look on his face, Canzone certainly couldn't believe it.
Next pitch ... grand slam.
"I'd do that every time," Francona said.
OK then. Thanks.
Quote from: Dish on July 20, 2026, 10:28:55 PM7 games over .500, it can still come crashing down (Yankees/Rays/Red Sox gauntlet coming up next week), but this has been as enjoyable a Sox season as I can recall.
Maybe a little too early to call, but this looks to be a remarkable / unbelievable season based upon the expectations and history of the team. For being one of the youngest teams in MLB, they still have decent talent in the minors to add in the future.
Based upon Getz's resume, this season is truly unforeseen. Maybe he's one of those guys that needs to be in charge of the major league team, because he was god awful as the director of minor league development for the WS. Is a bizarre twist of fate, if he wasn't made CWS GM, he may have not have even got another job at any level in baseball.
Those who chose to enjoy last season were wise.
Quote from: Dish on July 20, 2026, 10:28:55 PM7 games over .500, it can still come crashing down (Yankees/Rays/Red Sox gauntlet coming up next week), but this has been as enjoyable a Sox season as I can recall.
Given that they're in first place - for now - I'll allow it.
But if they fall in the standings, the enjoyment comes to a crashing halt.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2026, 10:27:03 AMGiven that they're in first place - for now - I'll allow it.
But if they fall in the standings, the enjoyment comes to a crashing halt.
<Nodding in total agreement>
Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 21, 2026, 09:30:20 AMBased upon Getz's resume, this season is truly unforeseen. Maybe he's one of those guys that needs to be in charge of the major league team, because he was god awful as the director of minor league development for the WS. Is a bizarre twist of fate, if he wasn't made CWS GM, he may have not have even got another job at any level in baseball.
Maybe the problem wasn't Getz's ability but the tools he had to work with. He didn't pick the players, or the coaches, and it's been well-established that when he took over the White Sox were light years behind the competition in developmental tools and practices.
While the major-league team floundered in 2024, Getz was busy investing Jerry's money in significant behind-the-scenes upgrades like the hiring directors of pitching (Brian Bannister) and hitting (Ryan Fuller), two positions that didn't exist previously in the organization. Turnarounds like those of Colson Montgomery and Miguel Vargas, or the development of back-of-the-rotation/AAA guys like Davis Martin and Sean Burke into frontline starters, never happened under the previous administration because the developmental system was broken. Getz knew it and fixing it became his first priority when he became GM.
Also, credit to Getz for abandoning the organization's penchant for making hires in-house (irony, I know) by bringing in respected front-office hires from other organizations, i.e. Josh Barfield from Arizona, Carlos Rodriguez from Tampa, David Keller from the Mets, Gene Watson from KC, etc.
And lastly, it's pretty clear he hit a home run in convincing Will Venables to manage this team.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2026, 10:45:19 AMMaybe the problem wasn't Getz's ability but the tools he had to work with. He didn't pick the players, or the coaches, and it's been well-established that when he took over the White Sox were light years behind the competition in developmental tools and practices.
While the major-league team floundered in 2024, Getz was busy investing Jerry's money in significant behind-the-scenes upgrades like the hiring directors of pitching (Brian Bannister) and hitting (Ryan Fuller), two positions that didn't exist previously in the organization. Turnarounds like those of Colson Montgomery and Miguel Vargas, or the development of back-of-the-rotation/AAA guys like Davis Martin and Sean Burke into frontline starters, never happened under the previous administration because the developmental system was broken. Getz knew it and fixing it became his first priority when he became GM.
Also, credit to Getz for abandoning the organization's penchant for making hires in-house (irony, I know) by bringing in respected front-office hires from other organizations, i.e. Josh Barfield from Arizona, Carlos Rodriguez from Tampa, David Keller from the Mets, Gene Watson from KC, etc.
And lastly, it's pretty clear he hit a home run in convincing Will Venables to manage this team.
In other words ... he Getz it?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2026, 10:45:19 AMMaybe the problem wasn't Getz's ability but the tools he had to work with. He didn't pick the players, or the coaches, and it's been well-established that when he took over the White Sox were light years behind the competition in developmental tools and practices.
While the major-league team floundered in 2024, Getz was busy investing Jerry's money in significant behind-the-scenes upgrades like the hiring directors of pitching (Brian Bannister) and hitting (Ryan Fuller), two positions that didn't exist previously in the organization. Turnarounds like those of Colson Montgomery and Miguel Vargas, or the development of back-of-the-rotation/AAA guys like Davis Martin and Sean Burke into frontline starters, never happened under the previous administration because the developmental system was broken. Getz knew it and fixing it became his first priority when he became GM.
Also, credit to Getz for abandoning the organization's penchant for making hires in-house (irony, I know) by bringing in respected front-office hires from other organizations, i.e. Josh Barfield from Arizona, Carlos Rodriguez from Tampa, David Keller from the Mets, Gene Watson from KC, etc.
And lastly, it's pretty clear he hit a home run in convincing Will Venables to manage this team.
As a Brewers fan, this sounds and looks familiar.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2026, 10:45:19 AMMaybe the problem wasn't Getz's ability but the tools he had to work with. He didn't pick the players, or the coaches, and it's been well-established that when he took over the White Sox were light years behind the competition in developmental tools and practices.
While the major-league team floundered in 2024, Getz was busy investing Jerry's money in significant behind-the-scenes upgrades like the hiring directors of pitching (Brian Bannister) and hitting (Ryan Fuller), two positions that didn't exist previously in the organization. Turnarounds like those of Colson Montgomery and Miguel Vargas, or the development of back-of-the-rotation/AAA guys like Davis Martin and Sean Burke into frontline starters, never happened under the previous administration because the developmental system was broken. Getz knew it and fixing it became his first priority when he became GM.
Also, credit to Getz for abandoning the organization's penchant for making hires in-house (irony, I know) by bringing in respected front-office hires from other organizations, i.e. Josh Barfield from Arizona, Carlos Rodriguez from Tampa, David Keller from the Mets, Gene Watson from KC, etc.
And lastly, it's pretty clear he hit a home run in convincing Will Venables to manage this team.
I think you are probably correct. Maybe it helped that things got historically bad and Jerry had to act like a real owner and be receptive to new ideas. ("new" being ideas other clubs implemented a decade plus before).
Also agree Getz deserves kudos for Venables. He's the run-a-way leader for Manager of the Year. ;D ;D
Oh no.
The Athletics announced Tuesday that they have placed rookie infielder Joshua Kuroda-Grauer on the 10-day injured list with a ruptured testicle.
Kuroda-Grauer sustained the injury during Monday's 5-2 win over the Arizona Diamondbacks. He fouled a ball hard off the handle of his bat, and it ricocheted directly into his testicles. He fell immediately to the ground in pain.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/breaking-news/article/as-place-rookie-joshua-kuroda-grauer-on-injured-list-with-ruptured-testicle-221458466.html
Maybe I'm nuts, but this just seems like one of life's little testes.
For the first time this season, PCA has passed Shohei in fWAR.
1) PCA 6.3
2) Shohei 6.0 (3.0 + 3.0)
3) Yordan 4.9
4) Witt Jr. 4.7
5) Miz 4.6
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 22, 2026, 12:13:00 PMFor the first time this season, PCA has passed Shohei in fWAR.
1) PCA 6.3
2) Shohei 6.0 (3.0 + 3.0)
3) Yordan 4.9
4) Witt Jr. 4.7
5) Miz 4.6
Counsell might start getting some attention for MOY with the turnaround and dealing with all the injuries.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 22, 2026, 12:45:45 PMCounsell might start getting some attention for MOY with the turnaround and dealing with all the injuries.
Anyone that can manage a team while standing in a lake of urine gets my vote
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 22, 2026, 12:13:00 PMFor the first time this season, PCA has passed Shohei in fWAR.
1) PCA 6.3
2) Shohei 6.0 (3.0 + 3.0)
3) Yordan 4.9
4) Witt Jr. 4.7
5) Miz 4.6
MVPete! MVPete! MVPete!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 22, 2026, 12:52:22 PMAnyone that can manage a team while standing in a lake of urine gets my vote
I think you may be on to something here. Going to assume this is why they built Murph that platform in the dugout.
Side Note: Could they have not gotten the leg fully on a step? It's 2/3 on 1/3 off.(https://i.postimg.cc/wvg42CrD/IMG-4467.gif)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNx7XkiWAAExDpi?format=webp&name=medium)
Is Joey Ortiz MLB's best 3B and MLB's worst SS?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 22, 2026, 02:09:12 PMI think you may be on to something here. Going to assume this is why they built Murph that platform in the dugout.
SIDE NOTE: Could they have not gotten the leg fully on a step? It's 2/3 on 1/3 off.
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvg42CrD/IMG-4467.gif)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HNx7XkiWAAExDpi?format=webp&name=medium)
That video was debunked, sadly.
Stand for the anthem. Urine fumes causing tensions to rise
https://bsky.app/profile/razzball.bsky.social/post/3mrap4iy7xs2l
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 22, 2026, 12:45:45 PMCounsell might start getting some attention for MOY with the turnaround and dealing with all the injuries.
If you can finish in 2nd place when you were predicted to finish 1st by most experts, you absolutely deserve it.
Quote from: Jockey on July 22, 2026, 02:29:25 PMIf you can finish in 2nd place when you were predicted to finish 1st by most experts, you absolutely deserve it.
After finally spending like a big market team
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2026, 06:23:02 PMOh no.
The Athletics announced Tuesday that they have placed rookie infielder Joshua Kuroda-Grauer on the 10-day injured list with a ruptured testicle.
Kuroda-Grauer sustained the injury during Monday's 5-2 win over the Arizona Diamondbacks. He fouled a ball hard off the handle of his bat, and it ricocheted directly into his testicles. He fell immediately to the ground in pain.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/breaking-news/article/as-place-rookie-joshua-kuroda-grauer-on-injured-list-with-ruptured-testicle-221458466.html
Haha, did you catch the play-by-play guy when he got back in the batter's box? "Kuroda-Grauer returns to the plate
with no balls and a strike..."
Shohei is the best fielder in the outfield in baseball
I'm not ashamed to admit I owned a "Motre Bame" Brewers cap. I bought it in 1994 before I came to MU from out of state.
https://x.com/sportslogosnet/status/2080664550227984761
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 24, 2026, 10:19:42 AMI'm not ashamed to admit I owned a "Motre Bame" Brewers cap. I bought it in 1994 before I came to MU from out of state.
https://x.com/sportslogosnet/status/2080664550227984761
I own one and still wear it. It keeps me humble.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2026, 04:29:05 PMShohei is the best fielder in the outfield in baseball
Does that mean he can get the nice Fwar positional adjustment now which is the only statistic that matters?
If/when Detroit has their fire sale and you wonder why...
Bullpen, 21 saves, 24 blown saves.
Carpenter, Torkelson, Vierling, McKinstry all hitting <.210
Misiorowski struck out 11 out of 12 today to start the game today. That hasn't happened since 1920.
Quote from: tower912 on July 26, 2026, 04:52:35 PMIf/when Detroit has their fire sale and you wonder why...
Bullpen, 21 saves, 24 blown saves.
Carpenter, Torkelson, Vierling, McKinstry all hitting <.210
American League is so bad, a hot 60-day stretch and you could make the playoffs going away. With the Red Sox surge, they're almost certainly not selling now.
Detroit should sell. Bullpen isn't good enough and the lineup is bad. But selling this year really could set them up for the following 2-3 seasons since the market is so constricted.
Being me, I can make either case. Detroit has certainly showed the ability to get hot for two months, with most of the current roster. AND, Jobe is about ready to return and I can see him becoming a weapon out of the pen.
However, too many injuries, too much poor hitting, and too many blown saves. Trade Skubal, plan on signing Mize, stock up on pitchers on the cusp of being ready and a right handed hitting center fielder.
My prediction for what they actually do changes daily.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 26, 2026, 05:00:16 PMMisiorowski struck out 11 out of 12 today to start the game today. That hasn't happened since 1920.
He sucked. ERA went up.
Quote from: tower912 on July 26, 2026, 05:20:47 PMBeing me, I can make either case. Detroit has certainly showed the ability to get hot for two months, with most of the current roster. AND, Jobe is about ready to return and I can see him becoming a weapon out of the pen.
However, too many injuries, too much poor hitting, and too many blown saves. Trade Skubal, plan on signing Mize, stock up on pitchers on the cusp of being ready and a right handed hitting center fielder.
My prediction for what they actually do changes daily.
They've inexplicably passed on chances to lock up Skubal the past two offseasons. Doing anything but trading him now would be malpratice. They should consider themselves lucky he came back and pitched this year so they could still get some assets for him.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 26, 2026, 06:07:39 PMThey've inexplicably passed on chances to lock up Skubal the past two offseasons. Doing anything but trading him now would be malpratice. They should consider themselves lucky he came back and pitched this year so they could still get some assets for him.
Skubal forfeited any sympathy from me when he disclosed he was having elbow discomfort in January but hid it due to his arbitration hearing.
I said last November it would take an established starter, the best pitching prospect a team had, and a right-handed hitting CF to get Skubal. That doesn't feel far off, though substituting a closer with a team controlled contract may be sustituted for the established starter.
At this moment, I feel like they go all in and buy. That opinion might change after a decent belch.
(Belches)
Quote from: tower912 on July 26, 2026, 06:50:25 PMSkubal forfeited any sympathy from me when he disclosed he was having elbow discomfort in January but hid it due to his arbitration hearing.
I said last November it would take an established starter, the best pitching prospect a team had, and a right-handed hitting CF to get Skubal. That doesn't feel far off, though substituting a closer with a team controlled contract may be sustituted for the established starter.
At this moment, I feel like they go all in and buy. That opinion might change after a decent belch.
(Belches)
Good for the Tigers if they can get that kind of return, but that's a big ask for a guy most teams will view as a rental.
The Athletic did a story last week on realistic returns for some of the players that might get dealt and said the Tigers should expect a top 25-50 prospect, another good prospect and a flier.
They comped it to their trade of David Price in 2015, which brought back Daniel Norris (top 25 prospect in baseball at the time), Matthew Boyd (Blue Jays #22 prospect at the time) and Jairo Labourt (Blue Jays #13 prospect at the time).
Anything can happen, but it would be a surprise if a team acquiring Skubal would give up multiple roster players for him.
Well, considering I speculated one established major league pitcher (starter or reliever), a top pitching prospect, and a right-handed hitting CF (unspecified) we aren't that far apart.
I don't know if they are going to trade him. The worst thing they can do now is give him away.
Choice is a gamble. Keep him, buy at the deadline, go all in, gamble. Trade him, get an appropriate haul, gamble.
Quote from: tower912 on July 26, 2026, 08:38:15 PMWell, considering I speculated one established major league pitcher (starter or reliever), a top pitching prospect, and a right-handed hitting CF (unspecified) we aren't that far apart.
I don't know if they are going to trade him. The worst thing they can do now is give him away.
You are far apart. An established major league starter and a top pitching prospect is way more than a 25-50 prospect and another established one.
MLB teams looking to add pitching aren't going to trade away an established starter prior to the playoffs anyway. There's not much point in that. You may get some bullpen arm that could project to a starter, but that's about it.
I'd be shocked if they don't trade him and I'd be even more shocked if it wasn't for a bunch (3 or 4) of prospects
Quote from: swoopem on July 27, 2026, 08:46:39 AMI'd be shocked if they don't trade him and I'd be even more shocked if it wasn't for a bunch (3 or 4) of prospects
The irony is they might have been able to get something close to tower's ask had they tried to deal him in the offseason. But asking for an established starter and a centerfielder, in addition to a top prospect, for a deadline rental? Good for the Tigers if they can do that, but if that's their ask, I hope they like comp picks.
The Athletic's MLB windup email this morning included this gem:
QuoteLance McCullers Jr. DFA'd: OK, this isn't a trade, but Milwaukee just traded for McCullers on July 15. This can't make Jadyn Fielder (yes, Prince's kid) feel great: The Brewers traded him for 4 2/3 innings of relief pitching.
Such lazy reporting. The valuable part of that trade for the Brewers was always pre-arb Colton Gordon, with McCullers more of a flier/salary dump than anything. I get that "McCullers for Prince's kid" is a much more dynamic way to describe it than "AAAA guy the Brewers might be able to get something out of with a bunch of team control" but yeesh. /endrant
Are the Brewers trying to get Peralta back? Also, would you trade Made in a package for Skubal or a big bat? Is any power hitter available. Mason Miller could be a good addition if they can pull that off.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2026, 07:31:53 PMAre the Brewers trying to get Peralta back? Also, would you trade Made in a package for Skubal or a big bat? Is any power hitter available. Mason Miller could be a good addition if they can pull that off.
Made is untouchable. Luis Pina is not.
The Brewers have had some very bad luck losing 2 pretty good starting pitchers for the season, but they're still killing it. That said, I think they need to make a move to beat the Dodgers. From what I've seen, their bullpen is worrisome.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 27, 2026, 07:43:37 PMMade is untouchable. Luis Pina is not.
Don't know who Luis Pina is,
Quote from: The Sultan on July 27, 2026, 07:43:37 PMMade is untouchable. Luis Pina is not.
Don't know who Luis Pina is (and obviously neither do you), but the Brewers aren't trading Luis Peña even for Skubal.
I would be shocked if they did.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2026, 07:31:53 PMAre the Brewers trying to get Peralta back? Also, would you trade Made in a package for Skubal or a big bat? Is any power hitter available. Mason Miller could be a good addition if they can pull that off.
The Brewers aren't trading a potentially elite everyday player with 6 years of control for a rental pitcher.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 27, 2026, 08:38:53 PMThe Brewers aren't trading a potentially elite everyday player with 6 years of control for a rental pitcher.
What do you expect if anything?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 27, 2026, 09:04:29 PMWhat do you expect if anything?
My guess is roughly business as usual, maybe a bit more aggressive on rentals. Probably a mid-leverage lefty reliever and a mid rotation SP to keep things steady while they back off Miz and Harrison. Ironically Peralta would be a fine fit, but I think giving a (relative) pittance back for him isn't a deal Stearns or Arnold would make. I think the Brewers get one of Minter or Raley though. Maybe they try to go after one of SPs on big money expiring contracts to make a team swallow some money and water down the return - Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman, Jack Flaherty.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 27, 2026, 10:01:49 PMMy guess is roughly business as usual, maybe a bit more aggressive on rentals. Probably a mid-leverage lefty reliever and a mid rotation SP to keep things steady while they back off Miz and Harrison. Ironically Peralta would be a fine fit, but I think giving a (relative) pittance back for him isn't a deal Stearns or Arnold would make. I think the Brewers get one of Minter or Raley though. Maybe they try to go after one of SPs on big money expiring contracts to make a team swallow some money and water down the return - Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman, Jack Flaherty.
Sounds like they're not gonna go for it. I get not dealing the young guns.
Quote from: Jockey on July 27, 2026, 08:31:37 PMDon't know who Luis Pina is,
Quote from: Jockey link=msg=1820349Don't know who Luis Pina is (and obviously neither do you), but the Brewers aren't trading Luis Peña even for Skubal.
I would be shocked if they did.
Oh how cute! You tried to pull a JB but then f*cked up the quoting...
We will see. In the end I doubt they pull a trade for Skubal regardless. Regardless I know who he is.
Maybe you guys should have a separate thread for the Brewers.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 28, 2026, 06:22:59 AMMaybe you guys should have a separate thread for the Brewers.
Someone else can bring up other teams at any point.
We just had half a dozen posts or so discussing the Tigers and what they'll do. Should there be a separate Tigers thread?
Eeyore gonna eeyore.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2026, 04:09:27 AMOh how cute! You tried to pull a JB but then f*cked up the quoting...
We will see. In the end I doubt they pull a trade for Skubal regardless. Regardless I know who he is.
Cute is knowing how to use the word 'regardless' both ending AND starting a sentence.
Quote from: Jockey on July 28, 2026, 07:57:48 AMCute is knowing how to use the word 'regardless' both ending AND starting a sentence.
Oof. Man if that's the best you can do, why even try?
But congrats on learning how to use the quote feature correctly!!
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 27, 2026, 10:01:49 PMMy guess is roughly business as usual, maybe a bit more aggressive on rentals. Probably a mid-leverage lefty reliever and a mid rotation SP to keep things steady while they back off Miz and Harrison. Ironically Peralta would be a fine fit, but I think giving a (relative) pittance back for him isn't a deal Stearns or Arnold would make. I think the Brewers get one of Minter or Raley though. Maybe they try to go after one of SPs on big money expiring contracts to make a team swallow some money and water down the return - Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman, Jack Flaherty.
I believe Gausman has the Brewers on his No-Trade List. Other than that, I think this is spot on.
Rough season so far for the "MLB has a competitive balance" problem argument.
Entering Tuesday's play, 24 of the 30 clubs are within five games of a postseason spot, and 21 are within two games.
Oh, and the New York Mets, Toronto Blue Jays and San Francisco Giants — teams with the game's second-, fifth- and 11th-highest luxury-tax payrolls, respectively — were among those more than three and a half games out.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7474087/2026/07/28/mlb-competitive-balance-standings/
Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2026, 09:36:14 AMRough season so far for the "MLB has a competitive balance" problem argument.
Entering Tuesday's play, 24 of the 30 clubs are within five games of a postseason spot, and 21 are within two games.
Oh, and the New York Mets, Toronto Blue Jays and San Francisco Giants — teams with the game's second-, fifth- and 11th-highest luxury-tax payrolls, respectively — were among those more than three and a half games out.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7474087/2026/07/28/mlb-competitive-balance-standings/
The Dodgers have lost three in a row, too.
But luckily for them, they have the Mariners coming into town.
Sorry, eeyore69 ... I should have started both a Dodgers thread and a Mariners thread to post this.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2026, 09:36:14 AMRough season so far for the "MLB has a competitive balance" problem argument.
Entering Tuesday's play, 24 of the 30 clubs are within five games of a postseason spot, and 21 are within two games.
Oh, and the New York Mets, Toronto Blue Jays and San Francisco Giants — teams with the game's second-, fifth- and 11th-highest luxury-tax payrolls, respectively — were among those more than three and a half games out.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7474087/2026/07/28/mlb-competitive-balance-standings/
I think the "competitive balance problem" comes more from a lack of true title contenders, not an expanding Playoff field allowing a bunch of mediocre teams to be "in the hunt" going into August.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 10:25:40 AMI think the "competitive balance problem" comes more from a lack of true title contenders, not an expanding Playoff field allowing a bunch of mediocre teams to be "in the hunt" going into August.
A lot of mediocre teams in contention for playoff spots.
Serves its purpose to keep the faithful of these clubs engaged. Interesting that it keeps teams from selling but dilutes the market and chances of deeper deadline intrigue.
Quote from: MU82 on July 28, 2026, 09:56:16 AMThe Dodgers have lost three in a row, too.
But luckily for them, they have the Mariners coming into town.
Sorry, eeyore69 ... I should have started both a Dodgers thread and a Mariners thread to post this.
Starting a new thread about the need for different threads
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 10:25:40 AMI think the "competitive balance problem" comes more from a lack of true title contenders, not an expanding Playoff field allowing a bunch of mediocre teams to be "in the hunt" going into August.
How does one define "true" title contenders?
Just get in the playoffs. After that anything can happen.
Haven't something like eight Wild Card teams won it all?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2026, 11:13:46 AMHow does one define "true" title contenders?
The LA Dodgers.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 28, 2026, 11:28:48 AMJust get in the playoffs. After that anything can happen.
Haven't something like eight Wild Card teams won it all?
22 of the 31 "Wild Card era" World Series champions were top 10 in Opening Day payroll. Of the seven Wild Card teams to win the World Series, five were top ten in Opening Day payroll. The only two that weren't were the '02 Angels and '03 Marlins.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 11:45:42 AMThe LA Dodgers.
Would that be the LA Dodgers that was one pitch from losing in 6 last year?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2026, 12:21:43 PMWould that be the LA Dodgers that was one pitch from losing in 6 last year?
And a good secondary lead from losing in 7.
And yet...they'll 3 peat. When is the last time we have seen a 3 peat in any major American sport? College football or men's basketball or the NHL, MBL, NBA, or NFL? Over a quarter century ago with the Lakers?
Just like I said all last year and turned out to be right, the Dodgers are the only team with a chance to win the World Series this year.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 01:37:49 PMAnd yet...they'll 3 peat. When is the last time we have seen a 3 peat in any major American sport? College football or men's basketball or the NHL, MBL, NBA, or NFL? Over a quarter century ago with the Lakers?
Just like I said all last year and turned out to be right, the Dodgers are the only team with a chance to win the World Series this year.
You were right that the Dodgers won the World Series. You are wrong if you believe that no other team had a chance to. As pointed out above, the Jays were very close to winning last year.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2026, 01:53:51 PMYou were right that the Dodgers won the World Series. You are wrong if you believe that no other team had a chance to. As pointed out above, the Mariners were very close to winning last year.
Impressive that the Mariners almost won the series without even making the series. ;D
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 28, 2026, 02:13:28 PMImpressive that the Mariners almost won the series without even making the series. ;D
LOL...today has not been my day... Corrected.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 01:37:49 PMthe Dodgers are the only team with a chance to win the World Series this year.
They have the best chance, yes. That chance is not 100% however.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 28, 2026, 02:19:13 PMThey have the best chance, yes. That chance is not 100% however.
The only thing that's 100% is Willie posting after a Marquette loss
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2026, 02:22:12 PMThe only thing that's 100% is Willie posting after a Marquette loss
Do you think we could convince his overbearing wife to change his wifi password?
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 01:37:49 PMAnd yet...they'll 3 peat. When is the last time we have seen a 3 peat in any major American sport? College football or men's basketball or the NHL, MBL, NBA, or NFL? Over a quarter century ago with the Lakers?
Just like I said all last year and turned out to be right, the Dodgers are the only team with a chance to win the World Series this year.
The Chicago Bulls had two three-peats in the 90s ... in a capped league.
The Florida Panthers nearly had a three-peat (two Cups and a loss in the Final) from 2023-25 ... in a capped league.
The KC Chiefs nearly had a three-peat (two Super Bowl wins and a loss) from 2023-25 ... in a capped league.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2026, 02:26:54 PMDo you think we could convince his overbearing wife to change his wifi password?
Are you kidding? She's probably thrilled he's online instead of telling her about a game in 1924 when it was pure ball
Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2026, 02:35:37 PMThe Chicago Bulls had two three-peats in the 90s ... in a capped league.
The Florida Panthers nearly had a three-peat (two Cups and a loss in the Final) from 2023-25 ... in a capped league.
The KC Chiefs nearly had a three-peat (two Super Bowl wins and a loss) from 2023-25 ... in a capped league.
So 3 peats haven't happened in over a quarter century in the 6 biggest leagues in America, but the Dodgers are the favorites to complete a 3 peat and will probably go out and sign Skubal this offseason. And they'll probably defer 98% of his salary so they're only taxed on like 55% of his salary.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 03:04:02 PMSo 3 peats haven't happened in over a quarter century in the 6 biggest leagues in America, but the Dodgers are the favorites to complete a 3 peat and will probably go out and sign Skubal this offseason.
You're being a little pedantic here. Clearly both the Chiefs and Panthers built teams in capped leagues that capable of three-peats. The Chiefs, in fact, were favored to do so. And the Panthers currently are co-favorites for next season.
Had Miguel Rojas popped out instead of hit a home run in game 7, would everything be OK?
There have been dynasties in capped leagues...but those sports are more conducive to dynasties. If you draft/sign the best QB, you have a good chance to have a dynasty in the NFL. If you draft/sign the best goalie, you have a good chance to have a dynasty in the NHL. In the NBA, you really only need to get the right three stars to have a dynasty (and the NBA has successfully countered that via a capped system).
Baseball is different. There's not one position where getting it right gives you an outsized impact. Aces can only pitch once every five days (three or four during the postseason), closers can't go every night, star batters only bat once every 9 plate appearances.
You also can't sign three superstars and surround them with replacement level players. For example, Trout and Ohtani, arguably the two greatest players of the modern era, were on the same team for six years and they never made the playoffs.
To create a dynasty in baseball, you have to have at least what, 15? 20? quality players, with several of them being stars, year after year. The only way you can realistically do that is by having a significantly larger payroll than most teams and signing the best talent every year.
Baseball should have the most parity of any of the leagues. The fact that it's comparable to the other leagues is a result of the salary cap.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 28, 2026, 04:39:10 PMThere have been dynasties in capped leagues...but those sports are more conducive to dynasties. If you draft/sign the best QB, you have a good chance to have a dynasty in the NFL. If you draft/sign the best goalie, you have a good chance to have a dynasty in the NHL. In the NBA, you really only need to get the right three stars to have a dynasty (and the NBA has successfully countered that via a capped system).
Baseball is different. There's not one position where getting it right gives you an outsized impact. Aces can only pitch once every five days (three or four during the postseason), closers can't go every night, star batters only bat once every 9 plate appearances.
You also can't sign three superstars and surround them with replacement level players. For example, Trout and Ohtani, arguably the two greatest players of the modern era, were on the same team for six years and they never made the playoffs.
To create a dynasty in baseball, you have to have at least what, 15? 20? quality players, with several of them being stars, year after year. The only way you can realistically do that is by having a significantly larger payroll than most teams and signing the best talent every year.
Baseball should have the most parity of any of the leagues. The fact that it's comparable to the other leagues is a result of the salary cap.
You make some fair points, and some I strongly disagree with (you may want to check out the goaltending of Stanley Cup champs over the past couple decades).
But rather than quibble, let me ask ... Have we shifted the discussion away from competitive balance and to ... dynasties and hypothetical three-peats?
And, had Miguel Rojas popped out, would everything be OK?
Of note: The Dodgers haven't actually threepeated.
Also ...
We heard all of the same stuff from 1996 to 2000, when the Yankees won 4 titles in 5 years.
Nobody else even has a chance!
Except then the Yankees won only 1 title in the next 25 years. I guess other teams had a chance.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2026, 05:53:56 PMYou make some fair points, and some I strongly disagree with (you may want to check out the goaltending of Stanley Cup champs over the past couple decades).
But rather than quibble, let me ask ... Have we shifted the discussion away from competitive balance and to ... dynasties and hypothetical three-peats?
And, had Miguel Rojas popped out, would everything be OK?
No, because then the Dodgers went and paid Kyle Tucker. In December ESPN projected him to get $38MM/year. In early January heavy.com projected him to get $34MM/year. In late January the Dodgers actually gave him $60MM/year.
They also signed Edwin Diaz, closing the only hole on their team.
They gave Shohei $70MM/year but are only taxed on $46MM/year.
You can talk all you want about how a team almost beat them. Reality is they're about to be the first major sports team in America to 3 peat in over a quarter century.
Oh and they have either the #2 or #1 farm system in baseball, depending on where you look, because instead of having to trade for talent they just give guys like Kyle Tucker 58% more than what they're projected to get. Most teams couldn't afford to give Shohei Ohtani $60MM/year. The Dodgers are giving that to Kyle Tucker.
Quote from: MU82 on July 28, 2026, 07:41:12 PMOf note: The Dodgers haven't actually threepeated.
Also ...
We heard all of the same stuff from 1996 to 2000, when the Yankees won 4 titles in 5 years.
Nobody else even has a chance!
Except then the Yankees won only 1 title in the next 25 years. I guess other teams had a chance.
You were saying the same things last year when I said the Dodgers were winning the World Series.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2026, 07:54:57 PMYou were saying the same things last year when I said the Dodgers were winning the World Series.
wades, you also were quite certain the Knicks weren't gonna win the NBA title. And that's ok; I've had my share of wrong predictions, too.
I'll wait until the Dodgers actually threepeat before I start comparing them to teams that have threepeated.
And regardless, I'll stick with my prediction that there won't be a salary cap. The owners always cave before the players do, and it'll happen again.
I think Wades nailed it. The deferred money and the ability to be complete unconstrained by the luxury tax rules is unhinged and is the first thing that has to go. Deferred money should be accelerated onto your payroll if you're above a certain number. For better or worse, I think the apron restrictions in the NBA serve a good purpose because of those restrictions they apply.
The Dodgers WS odds vs the field are nearly 40%. While there is a lot good in the sport right now, that's not a recipe for a healthy sport long term. The expanded wild card has given more teams a bite at the apple but for now, it's largely just for pageantry.
Quote from: MU82 on July 28, 2026, 07:41:12 PMOf note: The Dodgers haven't actually threepeated.
Also ...
We heard all of the same stuff from 1996 to 2000, when the Yankees won 4 titles in 5 years.
And they had the highest payroll in baseball every one of those years.
It doesn't guarantee anything (especially when you hold to aging stars like those Yankees tended to do), but it sure gives you extra chances.
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2026, 08:19:54 PMI think Wades nailed it. The deferred money and the ability to be complete unconstrained by the luxury tax rules is unhinged and is the first thing that has to go. Deferred money should be accelerated onto your payroll if you're above a certain number. For better or worse, I think the apron restrictions in the NBA serve a good purpose because of those restrictions they apply.
The Dodgers WS odds vs the field are nearly 40%. While there is a lot good in the sport right now, that's not a recipe for a healthy sport long term. The expanded wild card has given more teams a bite at the apple but for now, it's largely just for pageantry.
1. There's nothing preventing other teams from giving out contracts with deferred compensation (and, in fact, most do ... the Dodgers just went bigger with it). These complaints amount to little more than sour grapes from fans whose teams are less creative and less willing to lay their nuts on the table.
2. If MLB owners really cared about competitive balance or revenue imbalances, really thought the Dodgers were getting out of hand, they could address those issues without a salary cap. But that's not the goal here. The goal is to create cost certainty that will depress wages and provide cost certainties that literally will guarantee profitability (see: 10% escrow proposal) and further enhance franchise values.
3. Dynasties are good for sports. They draw more attention/viewers, and give fans in other markets a villain to root against. MLB somehow survived the Yankees winning nine titles in 15 years in the late 40s to early 60s. Survived the As winning three in a row in the 70s. Survived the Big Red Machine. Survived the Yankees winning four in five years (and appearing in two others) in the late 90s/early 2000s. Survived the Giants winning three titles between 2010-14. It'll survive this Dodgers' run as well. In fact, it seems to be thriving amid this Dodgers' run. World Series ratings weren't up nearly 20% last year because people were tuning in to watch the Blue Jays.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 28, 2026, 09:12:12 PMAnd they had the highest payroll in baseball every one of those years.
It doesn't guarantee anything (especially when you hold to aging stars like those Yankees tended to do), but it sure gives you extra chances.
They had the highest payroll in baseball every year from 2004 to 2013. Appeared in one World Series over that decade.
In fact, the team with the highest payroll has won a title all of two times over the last 25 years.
Yes, teams with lots of good players tend to win more than teams with lots of bad players. And good players cost more than bad players.
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2026, 08:19:54 PMThe Dodgers WS odds vs the field are nearly 40%.
So, the odds are better than 60% that any team other than the Dodgers win the World Series? Interesting.
17 different MLB teams have won titles since 2000.
16 different NHL teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different NFL teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different NBA teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different WNBA teams have won titles since 2000.
13 different MLS teams have won titles since 2000.
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2026, 12:49:50 AMSo, the odds are better than 60% that any team other than the Dodgers win the World Series? Interesting.
Wake me up when the Dodgers don't win the World Series with Shohei on their roster. After they 3 peat this year, I'm sure they'll have a "40%" chance of winning the World Series next August with a rotation of Skubal, Snell, Yamamoto, Ohtani, Wrobleski and Sasaki as their 6th starter.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 10:59:05 AMWake me up when the Dodgers don't win the World Series with Shohei on their roster. After they 3 peat this year, I'm sure they'll have a "40%" chance of winning the World Series next August with a rotation of Skubal, Snell, Yamamoto, Ohtani, Wrobleski and Sasaki as their 6th starter.
If you don't like the Dodgers, just say that.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 29, 2026, 11:04:39 AMIf you don't like the Dodgers, just say that.
I have no problem with the Dodgers. They make the most money and they use that money to put together an All Star team.
I'm happy to be a Brewers fan, they've been incredibly well run for a good number of years now. But to pretend they have a chance to win the World Series with this version of the Dodgers out there is out of touch with reality. Even trading for Skubal, they aren't beating the Dodgers. 2018 was the year for the Brewers to break through. Unfortunately didn't happen.
But some Scoopers think that because the MLB keeps expanding the number of teams that makes the Playoffs that there's competitive balance in baseball. There certainly isn't that.
Per Pak's own admission, good teams have good players, and good players cost more money. The payroll gap between the top spenders and the rest of the MLB is as big as it's ever been, and it continues to grow every year. If nothing changes, it will continue to trend that way.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 11:10:29 AMI have no problem with the Dodgers. They make the most money and they use that money to put together an All Star team.
I'm happy to be a Brewers fan, they've been incredibly well run for a good number of years now. But to pretend they have a chance to win the World Series with this version of the Dodgers out there is out of touch with reality. Even trading for Skubal, they aren't beating the Dodgers. 2018 was the year for the Brewers to break through. Unfortunately didn't happen.
But some Scoopers think that because the MLB keeps expanding the number of teams that makes the Playoffs that there's competitive balance in baseball. There certainly isn't that.
KC Chiefs win consecutive titles and are favored for a third = competitive balance.
Florida Panthers win consecutive titles and are favored for a third = competitive balance.
LA Dodgers win consecutive titles and are favored for a third = unfair?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2026, 11:19:57 AMKC Chiefs win consecutive titles and are favored for a third = competitive balance.
Florida Panthers win consecutive titles and are favored for a third = competitive balance.
LA Dodgers win consecutive titles and are favored for a third = unfair?
You'll have to quote where I've said those things as I must've been blacking out.
Please stop acting like the Brewers can't compete for a title.
They've won the division four of the last five years and currently are tied for the best record in baseball... after having the best record in baseball last year.
But if we want to compare sports, each of the last 10 World Series champions were defined as large-market (15 largest media markets) clubs. The NFL has had 4 "small market" champions (3 by the Chiefs), the NBA has had 4 "small market" champions, and the NHL has had 7 "small market" champions (Penguins and Panthers each twice in there) in the last 10 years.
So champions from "small markets" over the last decade: NHL 70%, NBA and NFL 40%, MLB 0%.
Over the last decade, the MLB is the only major sport of the 4 major professional leagues in the US that sees the teams in the top 5 markets outperform teams in the bottom 5 markets in regular seasons. MLB's top 5 markets have a win percentage .043 better than bottom 5 teams, NHL's top 5 markets have a win percentage .008 worse than bottom 5 markets, NBA top 5 market teams have a win percentage .048 worse than bottom 5 markets, and NFL top 5 market teams have a win percentage .088 worse than bottom 5 markets.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 11:27:32 AMPlease stop acting like the Brewers can't compete for a title.
They've won the division four of the last five years and currently are tied for the best record in baseball... after having the best record in baseball last year.
Correct. And they have ZERO chance of beating the Dodgers this year. Just like they did last year.
Hence the problem in baseball.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 11:28:22 AMCorrect. And they have ZERO chance of beating the Dodgers this year. Just like they did last year.
Hence the problem in baseball.
Might as well bet your house on the Dodgers to win it all since it's a done deal.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 11:30:12 AMMight as well bet your house on the Dodgers to win it all since it's a done deal.
Agreed! Should've taken my guarantee last year, I would've won you a second house. And then you could've bet your second house on them to win it this year. You'd have a third house by November!
Also, maybe the Brewers could try actually improving their team at the deadline instead of standing pat.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 11:32:26 AMAlso, maybe the Brewers could try actually improving their team at the deadline instead of standing pat.
Brewers are doing just fine. No addition they could reasonably make was making them better than the Dodgers. They made it as far as they could. Same story this year.
Seriously, wades, if I were as 100% certain about anything as you are about the Dodgers winning this year's World Series, I would bet well into six-figure territory on it.
I've never been that certain about anything in sports - or in life, really - so I haven't made such a bet. Then again, as an oldster, I've seen lots and lots of things that one might have thought impossible.
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2026, 11:57:44 AMSeriously, wades, if I were as 100% certain about anything as you are about the Dodgers winning this year's World Series, I would bet well into six-figure territory on it.
I've never been that certain about anything in sports - or in life, really - so I haven't made such a bet. Then again, as an oldster, I've seen lots and lots of things that one might have thought impossible.
You'd be rich if you had taken my guarantee last year! Take it this year!
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 11:27:58 AMBut if we want to compare sports, each of the last 10 World Series champions were defined as large-market (15 largest media markets) clubs. The NFL has had 4 "small market" champions (3 by the Chiefs), the NBA has had 4 "small market" champions, and the NHL has had 7 "small market" champions (Penguins and Panthers each twice in there) in the last 10 years.
So champions from "small markets" over the last decade: NHL 70%, NBA and NFL 40%, MLB 0%.
Over the last decade, the MLB is the only major sport of the 4 major professional leagues in the US that sees the teams in the top 5 markets outperform teams in the bottom 5 markets in regular seasons. MLB's top 5 markets have a win percentage .043 better than bottom 5 teams, NHL's top 5 markets have a win percentage .008 worse than bottom 5 markets, NBA top 5 market teams have a win percentage .048 worse than bottom 5 markets, and NFL top 5 market teams have a win percentage .088 worse than bottom 5 markets.
More goalpost shifting. Instead of first competitive balance and then titles and three-peats, now we're now talking about market sizes.
How exactly are you defining small market vs big market?
Your "small market" Florida Panthers play in the 6th largest market in the NHL.
Who besides the Bucks and OKC, are your small market NBA champs? Toronto is the 9th largest market in the NBA. Denver is 16th.
The NFL numbers are skewed by the Chiefs. And even then, KC is more of a medium sized market than small (middle third of the league). Who's your fourth small-market winner? I assume not the Patriots, Eagles or Rams. Seattle and Tampa rank 12th and 13th, respectively, in market size.
Besides all this, these dynamics existed pre-cap in these leagues.
The small-market Packers were the dominant NFL team in the 60s. The small-market Steelers and Raiders (and you could throw in the Vikings) were the best teams in the 70s.
The NHL was dominated in the 1970s by Montreal and in the 1980s by teams from Long Island and Edmonton.
All this pre-cap.
And what happened after the NBA introduced a cap in 1984-85? 12 of the next 14 titles were won by four large-market teams (Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets).
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2026, 12:09:03 PMMore goalpost shifting. Instead of first competitive balance and then titles and three-peats, now we're now talking about market sizes.
How exactly are you defining small market vs big market?
Your "small market" Florida Panthers play in the 6th largest market in the NHL.
Who, besides the Bucks and OKC, are your small market NBA champs? Toronto is the 9th largest market in the NBA. Denver is 16th.
The NFL numbers are skewed by the Chiefs. And even then, KC is more of a medium sized market than small (middle third of the league). Who's your fourth small-market winner? I assume not the Patriots, Eagles or Rams. Seattle and Tampa rank 12th and 13th, respectively, in market size.
Besides all this, these dynamics existed pre-cap in these leagues.
The small-market Packers were the dominant NFL team in the 60s. The small-market Steelers and Raiders (and you could throw in the Vikings) were the best teams in the 70s.
The NHL was dominated in the 1970s by Montreal and in the 1980s by teams from Long Island and Edmonton.
All this pre-cap.
And what happened after the NBA introduced a cap in 1984-85? 12 of the next 14 titles were won by four large-market teams (Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets).
The NBA was rigged during the Jordan era
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 29, 2026, 12:11:25 PMThe NBA was rigged during the Jordan era
True. If David Stern didn't give Jordan a secret two-year suspension, the Bulls would have won eight straight.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2026, 12:33:43 PMTrue. If David Stern didn't give Jordan a secret two-year suspension, the Bulls would have won eight straight.
He had no choice after Jordan got his dad killed over his gambling debts
Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2026, 05:53:56 PMYou make some fair points, and some I strongly disagree with (you may want to check out the goaltending of Stanley Cup champs over the past couple decades).
But rather than quibble, let me ask ... Have we shifted the discussion away from competitive balance and to ... dynasties and hypothetical three-peats?
And, had Miguel Rojas popped out, would everything be OK?
I made the comment I did because three-peats and dynasties were being discussed at the moment. Also because logic like this:
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 09:35:36 AM17 different MLB teams have won titles since 2000.
16 different NHL teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different NFL teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different NBA teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different WNBA teams have won titles since 2000.
13 different MLS teams have won titles since 2000.
Often gets trotted out as proof that salary caps aren't effective. Personally, I find that logic flawed because of the reasons in my last post (though I'm admittedly unfamiliar with MLS so maybe that is a good comparator).
My overall reason for being pro-salary cap is very simple. Having a larger payroll is an unquestionable advantage available for some teams and not others. The right salary cap/floor system could help mitigate that advantage. I think that is a good thing. Others don't think it's a good thing and that's a reasonable take too.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2026, 12:09:03 PMMore goalpost shifting. Instead of first competitive balance and then titles and three-peats, now we're now talking about market sizes.
How exactly are you defining small market vs big market?
Your "small market" Florida Panthers play in the 6th largest market in the NHL.
Who besides the Bucks and OKC, are your small market NBA champs? Toronto is the 9th largest market in the NBA. Denver is 16th.
The NFL numbers are skewed by the Chiefs. And even then, KC is more of a medium sized market than small (middle third of the league). Who's your fourth small-market winner? I assume not the Patriots, Eagles or Rams. Seattle and Tampa rank 12th and 13th, respectively, in market size.
Besides all this, these dynamics existed pre-cap in these leagues.
The small-market Packers were the dominant NFL team in the 60s. The small-market Steelers and Raiders (and you could throw in the Vikings) were the best teams in the 70s.
The NHL was dominated in the 1970s by Montreal and in the 1980s by teams from Long Island and Edmonton.
All this pre-cap.
And what happened after the NBA introduced a cap in 1984-85? 12 of the next 14 titles were won by four large-market teams (Celtics, Lakers, Bulls, Rockets).
What goal posts are shifting here? Just took the information off of this.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-competitive-balance-issue-explained
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 09:35:36 AM17 different MLB teams have won titles since 2000.
16 different NHL teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different NFL teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different NBA teams have won titles since 2000.
14 different WNBA teams have won titles since 2000.
13 different MLS teams have won titles since 2000.
Also just because I enjoy pointing out issues with stats like this, the following is also true:
18 different NHL teams have won titles since 1993.
17 different MLB teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different NFL teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different NBA teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different MLS teams have won titles since 1996 (12/14 of the teams that haven't won a title have existed for 15 years or less).
12 (not sure where you got 14) different WNBA teams have won titles since 1997 (There have only been 21 franchises, 6 of them lasted less then 6 years or haven't existed for 6 years yet, so 12/15 of the franchises with at least 6 years).
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 02:40:22 PMWhat goal posts are shifting here? Just took the information off of this.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-competitive-balance-issue-explained
A writer for the official MLB site writes an opinion piece that supports ownership's position? No way.
Anyhow, what he's written there is at times provably false (i.e. the Panthers being a small market team) and he's bad at math (he includes 2016 NFL, NBA and NHL championships as having occurred in the past decade ... which would make a decade 11 years long).
But also, you and he are creating two tiers of teams ... large market and small market, which ignores the huge middle. But it also helps the argument when more than half the teams in a league can be labeled as "small market teams." Hence, the Bucs play in a large market with 3.2 million people, but the Broncos are in a small market at 3 million.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 29, 2026, 03:27:44 PMAlso just because I enjoy pointing out issues with stats like this, the following is also true:
18 different NHL teams have won titles since 1993.
17 different MLB teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different NFL teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different NBA teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different MLS teams have won titles since 1996 (12/14 of the teams that haven't won a title have existed for 15 years or less).
12 (not sure where you got 14) different WNBA teams have won titles since 1997 (There have only been 21 franchises, 6 of them lasted less then 6 years or haven't existed for 6 years yet, so 12/15 of the franchises with at least 6 years).
And just because I enjoy pointing out issues with stats like this...
The NHL didn't have a cap until the 2005-06 season, so what happened over the 12 years prior (there was no 2004-05 season) probably isn't relevant to this discussion.
But, in those 12 years prior, there were
seven different Stanley Cup winners.
In the 12 years after the imposition of a cap, with the creation of competitive balance, there were
seven different Stanley Cup champions.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 29, 2026, 12:35:35 PMMy overall reason for being pro-salary cap is very simple.
I'm pro-salary cap/floor. I'm also pro-contracting the Brewers but neither one is likely to happen.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 03:56:20 PMI'm pro-salary cap/floor. I'm also pro-contracting the Brewers but neither one is likely to happen.
Cubs get to win the division somehow right?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 29, 2026, 03:27:44 PMAlso just because I enjoy pointing out issues with stats like this, the following is also true:
18 different NHL teams have won titles since 1993.
17 different MLB teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different NFL teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different NBA teams have won titles since 1993.
16 different MLS teams have won titles since 1996 (12/14 of the teams that haven't won a title have existed for 15 years or less).
12 (not sure where you got 14) different WNBA teams have won titles since 1997 (There have only been 21 franchises, 6 of them lasted less then 6 years or haven't existed for 6 years yet, so 12/15 of the franchises with at least 6 years).
Even using your 1993 numbers, it shows MLB doesn't have a problem.
(Good catch on the WNBA titles. Should be 12 going back to 2000. I forgot to change it when I copied the line above.)
Quote from: The Sultan on July 29, 2026, 04:03:07 PMCubs get to win the division somehow right?
Would certainly be helpful, but I'm confident they could still blow it even without the Brewers present.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 03:56:20 PMI'm pro-salary cap/floor. I'm also pro-contracting the Brewers but neither one is likely to happen.
I think the owners should share more revenue versus cutting payroll.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 29, 2026, 04:08:27 PMI think the owners should share more revenue versus cutting payroll.
Exactly.
Only one thing is stopping the owners from putting all their revenue in a pot and sharing it equally: the owners.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 29, 2026, 04:08:27 PMI think the owners should share more revenue versus cutting payroll.
I'm good with this.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 12:04:16 PMYou'd be rich if you had taken my guarantee last year! Take it this year!
I'd make the bet if I agreed - and I'd definitely make it if I felt 100% sure, like you do.
If I were 100% sure of
anything the way you are 100% certain the Dodgers will win the 2026 World Series, I'd bet on it. For example, if there were a forum for me to bet $100K that I would still be married to my current wife a year from now, I would make that bet. (I checked; Kalshi's not offering such a wager, darn it.)
So again, wades, wondering why you don't take the sure thing.
Finally, as for the necessity for an MLB salary cap:
1. This:
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2026, 04:12:57 PMOnly one thing is stopping the owners from putting all their revenue in a pot and sharing it equally: the owners.
2. And this: A salary cap is simply not gonna happen. So all of this is fun ... but it is, as Lou Piniella would say, a "mute" point.
Quote from: MU82 on July 29, 2026, 04:24:25 PMI'd make the bet if I agreed - and I'd definitely make it if I felt 100% sure, like you do.
If I were 100% sure of anything the way you are 100% certain the Dodgers will win the 2026 World Series, I'd bet on it. For example, if there were a forum for me to bet $100K that I would still be married to my current wife a year from now, I would make that bet. (I checked; Kalshi's not offering such a wager, darn it.)
So again, wades, wondering why you don't take the sure thing.
Finally, as for the necessity for an MLB salary cap:
1. This:
2. And this: A salary cap is simply not gonna happen. So all of this is fun ... but it is, as Lou Piniella would say, a "mute" point.
My confidence would've won you a lot of money last year. It will again this year. I don't really air my betting on MUScoop (or to anyone, especially my wife). Feel free to take my guarantee to the bank. Again, would've paid you handsomely last year if you put 6 figures on the Dodgers to win the WS.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 29, 2026, 04:05:01 PMEven using your 1993 numbers, it shows MLB doesn't have a problem.
(Good catch on the WNBA titles. Should be 12 going back to 2000. I forgot to change it when I copied the line above.)
I don't think it shows anything of the sort.
1. WNBA/MLS has had a much higher% of their franchises win title (once you factor in how new many of the franchises).
2. As I mentioned in an earlier post, it should be harder to put together dynasties in baseball than it is in other sports. They shouldn't be level with other sports, they should be more varied.
But I'll go back to my thesis. Having a higher payroll is unquestionably an advantage that only some teams have access to. Having a well thought out salary cap/floor system helps mitigate that advantage, making the game more fair. I think that's a good thing. I understand why others don't.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 29, 2026, 03:49:16 PMAnd just because I enjoy pointing out issues with stats like this...
The NHL didn't have a cap until the 2005-06 season, so what happened over the 12 years prior (there was no 2004-05 season) probably isn't relevant to this discussion.
But see that doesn't count because I didn't know that ;D
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 04:30:39 PMMy confidence would've won you a lot of money last year. It will again this year. I don't really air my betting on MUScoop (or to anyone, especially my wife). Feel free to take my guarantee to the bank. Again, would've paid you handsomely last year if you put 6 figures on the Dodgers to win the WS.
Wait ... you're offering a "guarantee"? Well, that's different!!
I will bet $100K on the Dodgers because you will have signed paperwork stating that you will personally refund the entire $100K to me if the .0000000000001% possibility happens and they don't win the World Series.
Thanks so much for that guarantee, wades!
Season in a microcosm for the Detroit bullpen, blowing a 7-1 lead. I now anticipate sell mode.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 29, 2026, 04:43:50 PMBut I'll go back to my thesis. Having a higher payroll is unquestionably an advantage that only some teams have access to. Having a well thought out salary cap/floor system helps mitigate that advantage, making the game more fair. I think that's a good thing. I understand why others don't.
I think everyone here agrees, at least in general terms, that it would be better if the payroll disparity between clubs were smaller, if not eliminated.
The disagreement seems to be about 1) how much that disparity really affects competitiveness and/or harms the product and 2) how best to fix it.
One difference between leagues. MLB is played over 162 games and turns into a significantly different game in the playoffs which is small sample size theater whose games differ from their regular season counterparts more than any sport. Rosters, rotations etc etc are all hilt to accentuate your stars. NBA is close in this respect in terms of how rotations tighten and minutes escalate.
I think it's important to look at process over results, since we have the Mets for an example why spending doesn't matter. The Dodgers acquired Blake Snell, a high end talent with severe injury history. Bad process perhaps, but a good outcome! They acquired Tucker by paying 3x in cash and tax than he was projected. Bad process, and thus far bad outcomes. The Mets are a series of bad outcomes!
But what is important is the constraints that some markets have and what 'process' is available to them. The Brewers could never acquire a Snell at that price for the risk that that process did not cash in. The Brewers and half the other teams could not pay what the Dodgers are paying for Tucker. And while Tucker, and the entire Mets franchise is an example of why money doesn't guarantee result... what the Dodgers get out of this is the ability to now trade — practically risk free — from their prospect depth because they can replenish via spending. Nothing stopping the Brewers from doing it, and they should, but their bites at the apple are fundamentally smaller. If they don't win - and odds still aren't on their side — they will have set themselves back in ways the Dodgers making the same trade would not.
The Brewers can absolutely beat the Dodgers if they acquire the stars to win the right side of small sample size variances. They are not and will not ever be favorites against this permutation of LA. If they were to win, it'd be the greatest upset in the sport since KC won in 15, but beyond that the biggest at least this century. So while there is a chance, there are a series of structural disadvantages that don't prohibit outlier success of small markets, but certainly inhibit it
PCA just made a complete ass out of himself for the Cubs after he hit a 2 run shot in the 10th. Cards get 3 in the bottom half, Cubs lose.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 29, 2026, 09:48:40 PMPCA just made a complete ass out of himself for the Cubs after he hit a 2 run shot in the 10th. Cards get 3 in the bottom half, Cubs lose.
Hating on PCA is one of my favorite things but he had every reason to expect that he just won the game. Cubs bullpen running a charity out there.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2026, 11:38:11 AMBrewers are doing just fine. No addition they could reasonably make was making them better than the Dodgers. They made it as far as they could. Same story this year.
Miz and Skubal starting four games of a seven game series is a legit threat to the Dodgers.
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 29, 2026, 10:20:35 PMHating on PCA is one of my favorite things but he had every reason to expect that he just won the game. Cubs bullpen running a charity out there.
Yeah, the Cubs have been patching the bullpen together from the DFA scrap heap for the past several months. It sounds like Cabrera, Brown, Palencia, Milner, and possibly even Steele should be returning in August along with some trade deadline acquisitions which should hopefully shore things up.
Are people really confident about the Brewers bullpen? If they can't get Skubal they should try to get Miller.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2026, 09:10:44 AMAre people really confident about the Brewers bullpen? If they can't get Skubal they should try to get Miller.
As a Cubs fan watching from afar, I think your bullpen is good but not great, however, it hasn't prevented you from winning games at a high clip. I don't think there are many great bullpens out there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2026, 09:10:44 AMAre people really confident about the Brewers bullpen? If they can't get Skubal they should try to get Miller.
As long as they don't eat lettuce from companies that write big checks to the BOTUS, they'll be fine.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 30, 2026, 09:33:09 AMAs a Cubs fan watching from afar, I think your bullpen is good but not great, however, it hasn't prevented you from winning games at a high clip. I don't think there are many great bullpens out there.
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I grew up in Evanston but I root more for the Brewers. Especially since the Cubs got one.
The Brewers problems in last year's NLCS was all about hitting. Yeah, maybe a little help in the bullpen would have been nice. But you can't have an OPS of .384 and win a playoff series.
Unfortunately I think that will also be their fate again this year regardless if they obtain someone like Skubal.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 30, 2026, 10:24:28 AMThe Brewers problems in last year's NLCS was all about hitting. Yeah, maybe a little help in the bullpen would have been nice. But you can't have an OPS of .384 and win a playoff series.
Unfortunately I think that will also be their fate again this year regardless if they obtain someone like Skubal.
Yup.
They need to get a starter (not necessarily Skubal) plus about 3 hitters that are better than anybody on the roster not named Turang to beat the Dodgers. Not happening.
I doubt they even get to the Dodgers if they are the #2 seed. They won't beat the Braves.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 30, 2026, 11:19:35 AMI doubt they even get to the Dodgers if they are the #2 seed. They won't beat the Braves.
People are already referring to them as the Milwaukee Cowards.
Season is over, shut it down.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2026, 09:10:44 AMAre people really confident about the Brewers bullpen? If they can't get Skubal they should try to get Miller.
No but Miller is going nowhere. They'll make a move or two for the bullpen but one of the best things for it would be getting a starter to push guys back.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 30, 2026, 08:35:19 AMMiz and Skubal starting four games of a seven game series is a legit threat to the Dodgers.
Yep and I trust Henderson, Harrison, and Drohan to battle in playoff games and at least give the team a chance.
Doubt they get Skubal but it would absolutely give them a chance.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 30, 2026, 11:19:35 AMI doubt they even get to the Dodgers if they are the #2 seed. They won't beat the Braves.
Braves are really good, but their rotation leaves a lot to be desired after Sale, especially with Strider done for the year. Toss up series against the Braves or Phillies. Big underdog against the Dodgers.
I'd feel confident in the Brewers against anyone else.
Quote from: BM1090 on July 30, 2026, 03:25:26 PMBraves are really good, but their rotation leaves a lot to be desired after Sale, especially with Strider done for the year. Toss up series against the Braves or Phillies. Big underdog against the Dodgers.
I'd feel confident in the Brewers against anyone else.
Can't believe you guys are completely ignoring the PCA factor.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 30, 2026, 09:10:44 AMAre people really confident about the Brewers bullpen? If they can't get Skubal they should try to get Miller.
Mark is only interested in Sandy Koufax
Harrison Bader might be an idiot
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2026, 08:21:43 AMHarrison Bader might be an idiot
Best part is he did the same thing in college.
https://www.gainesville.com/story/sports/college/baseball/2014/02/04/uf-baseball-suspends-outfielder-bader/31111769007/
Nm
Quote from: The Sultan on July 30, 2026, 11:19:35 AMI doubt they even get to the Dodgers if they are the #2 seed. They won't beat the Braves.
You're a hater for no reason. I also wouldn't assume the Dodgers are going to roll through the playoffs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2026, 08:46:08 AMYou're a hater for no reason.
No reason? Unlike you, I have actually watched them the last few seasons.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2026, 08:21:43 AMHarrison Bader might be an idiot
If I were staring down two months of playing out the string with the Giants, I might also choose the back end of a fire truck.
Pre-trade deadline, I actually expect the NL playoffs to be mostly the same as last year.
Wild Card series will be different but Cubs/Brewers and Dodgers/Phillies NLDS then Brewers/Dodgers NLCS. Dodgers WS.
The Twins won yesterday on Kody Clemens' 2-out, 2-strike, 9th-inning grand slam. The Athletic called it an "ultimate grand slam" because the Twins were down by 3.
The Athletic's Jayson Stark said it was only the 34th "ultimate grand slam" in MLB history, and either the 15th or 16th such slam with two outs (depending on which database is used).
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 31, 2026, 08:46:08 AMYou're a hater for no reason. I also wouldn't assume the Dodgers are going to roll through the playoffs.
I would.
Somehow, Vlad Jr. has not hit a HR at home this season.
Freddy Peralta and Casey Mize scratched from starts tonight.
Welcome back, Ferdy
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 31, 2026, 03:30:32 PMNo thank you.
Assuming he reclaims his Brewers form, he'd be our 3rd or 4th best starting pitcher and a guy that's absolutely valuable to the team.
No reason not to welcome him back.
Quote from: BM1090 on July 31, 2026, 03:37:44 PMAssuming he reclaims his Brewers form, he'd be our 3rd or 4th best starting pitcher and a guy that's absolutely valuable to the team.
No reason not to welcome him back.
Big assumption with his 5 era. So-so postseason history too.
Brewers moved on once already. Get someone better.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 31, 2026, 03:42:32 PMBig assumption with his 5 era. So-so postseason history too.
Brewers moved on once already. Get someone better.
He wouldn't be the first pitcher to be great for the Brewers, leave and be bad for a new team, and then return and be good for the Brewers again.
For a team that just traded for Lance McCullers because they need some pitchers to eat some innings, the Brewers could do a lot worse.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 31, 2026, 03:43:45 PMHe wouldn't be the first pitcher to be great for the Brewers, leave and be bad for a new team, and then return and be good for the Brewers again.
For a team that just traded for Lance McCullers because they need some pitchers to eat some innings, the Brewers could do a lot worse.
They need to think about postseason primarily and guys that can get them to a WS.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on July 31, 2026, 03:48:45 PMThey need to think about postseason primarily and guys that can get them to a WS.
It seems like they're going about as hard as you'd expect them to after Skubal. After that, there's going to be even more competition for starters that are not as good as Skubal, and Freddy will honestly be one of the more sought after trade pieces. There aren't a lot of sellers with the expanded Playoff field.
I think it would be extremely difficult for Stearns to work a deal for Freddy to Milwaukee without making it look like Arnold fleeced him in the off-season.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 31, 2026, 03:56:55 PMI think it would be extremely difficult for Stearns to work a deal for Freddy to Milwaukee without making it look like Arnold fleeced him in the off-season.
I'd agree, but it's not like the Brewers return from that trade is playing well (yet)
Quote from: BM1090 on July 31, 2026, 03:58:25 PMI'd agree, but it's not like the Brewers return from that trade is playing well (yet)
True...
Quote from: The Sultan on July 31, 2026, 03:56:55 PMI think it would be extremely difficult for Stearns to work a deal for Freddy to Milwaukee without making it look like Arnold fleeced him in the off-season.
Can't do it in the chance that Freddy returns to last years form (5 innings of the most infuriatingly successful pitching you can imagine). But also would give back Sproat in a heartbeat
Skenes routed again.
Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2026, 08:53:39 PMSkenes routed again.
He needs to break up with Livvy, she is ruining him, obviously.
@JeffPassan
BREAKING: The Chicago White Sox are acquiring right-hander Luis Castillo in a trade with the Seattle Mariners for reliever Seranthony Dominguez, outfielder Nolan Jones and catching prospect Boston Smith, sources tell ESPN.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 01, 2026, 09:16:06 PM@JeffPassan
BREAKING: The Chicago White Sox are acquiring right-hander Luis Castillo in a trade with the Seattle Mariners for reliever Seranthony Dominguez, outfielder Nolan Jones and catching prospect Boston Smith, sources tell ESPN.
'Breaking' for Luis Castillo in 2026 is a step too far
Quote from: Pakuni on August 01, 2026, 09:16:06 PM@JeffPassan
BREAKING: The Chicago White Sox are acquiring right-hander Luis Castillo in a trade with the Seattle Mariners for reliever Seranthony Dominguez, outfielder Nolan Jones and catching prospect Boston Smith, sources tell ESPN.
No more Dominguez is a W.
Skubal to the Dodgers....
Great sport we have here
Quote from: Pakuni on August 01, 2026, 09:16:06 PM@JeffPassan
BREAKING: The Chicago White Sox are acquiring right-hander Luis Castillo in a trade with the Seattle Mariners for reliever Seranthony Dominguez, outfielder Nolan Jones and catching prospect Boston Smith, sources tell ESPN.
Castillo has been a real good guy and leader for the Mariners, and a good pitcher until this season. I was glad for the M's to shed his salary, but I hope he does well for the Sox.
Dominguez will not be asked to be a bullpen star for the M's, just one of several arms to get the game to Munoz ... if the M's can actually get late leads.
Hope he beats the Cubs and then gives Dr ElAttrache his business
Quote from: Pakuni on August 01, 2026, 11:02:48 PMWhy?
I don't like it. The talent discrepancy on the Dodgers is absurd.
https://x.com/talkinbaseball_/status/2083759318524973180?s=46
That's a weak ass return. Not saying the Brewers definitely should have offered more, but it's hard to complain when they or any other decent system could have.
Hope everyone who was telling me to get my house and bet 6 figures on the Dodgers to win the World Series got their same bets in before the deal changed their odds!
Oh here's another bet for anyone who wants to take it. Dodgers to win the 2027 World Series!
The Dodgers have the hitters ranked Nos. 2, 7, 15, 25, 30 and 33 by wins above average, per Baseball Reference.
Their rotation, also by ERA+, has Nos. 2, 4, 5, 7 and 24.
But the 52-59 Blue Jays are only 3.5 games out of the Playoffs so competitive balance is not an issue for the MLB at all.
The conspiracy theorist I like to think I don't have in me wonders if the Tigers locked in on the Dodgers barring some can't pass on offer from another club for reasons.
But, yes, other clubs could have beaten that offer but the Brewers weren't moving Made or Henderson for a rental. Dodgers system is as good and they can replace prospects by spending on free agents.
I'd caution people saying they're a lock, I've seen a lot of these prohibitive favorites not win in my life. But, betting the house isn't a bad bet, either.
Yeah I am more annoyed than anything. The Dodgers' deal could have been matched without touching their top guys. I had a feeling the Brewers would talk but not actually do anything when all is said and done.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 02, 2026, 01:33:52 AMThe Dodgers have the hitters ranked Nos. 2, 7, 15, 25, 30 and 33 by wins above average, per Baseball Reference.
Their rotation, also by ERA+, has Nos. 2, 4, 5, 7 and 24.
But the 52-59 Blue Jays are only 3.5 games out of the Playoffs so competitive balance is not an issue for the MLB at all.
Not finding those exact numbers, but assuming with the hitters you're talking about Shohei, Pages, Muncy, Freeman, Betts and Rushing (their top 6 by fWAR).
Shohei and Freeman obviously were big-money FA acquisitions.
But ...
Pages was a guy they signed for $300K out of Cuba.
Muncy they signed to a minor league contract after the As cut him.
Betts (like Skubal) is a guy they acquired leveraging their ability to develop young players, something certain Midwestern teams are afraid to do.
Rushing was a second-round pick.
Can you link the ERA+ leaders list you're looking at?
According to this, there isn't a single Dodger in the top 10.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/earned_run_avg_plus_top_ten.shtml
But, among the Dodgers ERA+ SP leaders this year are an 11th round pick (Wrobelski), a guy they acquired this offseason for a player to be named later (Lauer) and a sixth-round pick (Sheehan).
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 02, 2026, 07:56:14 AMThe conspiracy theorist I like to think I don't have in me wonders if the Tigers locked in on the Dodgers barring some can't pass on offer from another club for reasons.
But, yes, other clubs could have beaten that offer but the Brewers weren't moving Made or Henderson for a rental. Dodgers system is as good and they can replace prospects by spending on free agents.
I'd caution people saying they're a lock, I've seen a lot of these prohibitive favorites not win in my life. But, betting the house isn't a bad bet, either.
They probably could have done it for Sprout, Lara and a #15-20 prospect. But yeah, Skubal almost certainly would be a rental.
Remember who the guy was that was considered the big return for Cleveland in the CC to the Brewers deal? Matt LaPorta, first round pick out of college just a year earlier. He was a complete bust. Without CC, the 26 year playoff drought would have been extended.
The Brewers just refuse to put all their chips in anymore to end a 44 year and counting WS drought. And then they allowed the prize of the deadline to go to the team that dominated them last year in the LCS. Double bad news- we don't get Skubal and the Dodgers do.
I'm not saying at all they should have traded Made. I certainly wouldn't have traded him away. But they have the organizational depth to easily have topped this pathetic return Detroit got back with a package of other guys. The pitchers in the deal are a 27 year old two years removed from blowing out his elbow and a guy that owns an 0-10 and almost 5 era in the minors.
We'll see what happens over the next 32 hours, but as said by Fluffy, feels like just talk again. But we can all look back at this period in later years and say yeah, the Dodgers may have won everything, but we had the best farm system in baseball. Please send us our trophy for that.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 02, 2026, 08:54:09 AMThey probably could have done it for Sprout, Lara and a #15-20 prospect. But yeah, Skubal almost certainly would be a rental.
Yup. It'll probably be a Peralta or Ray they get. A bullpen arm or two would be nice.
Not holding out hope for a bat. Just don't think there is one out there worth much
Quote from: The Sultan on August 02, 2026, 08:38:36 AMYeah I am more annoyed than anything. The Dodgers' deal could have been matched without touching their top guys. I had a feeling the Brewers would talk but not actually do anything when all is said and done.
Very disappointing.
Mason Miller would help the Brewers.
Torkelson, Carpenter, Vierling, and McKinstry combining to hit .211 through 1100 ABs, along with a bullpen with more blown leads than saves is no Bueno. I am sure Harris would rather be buying. The haul is uninspiring.
It seems to me the Brewers could have put together a deal significantly better than LA, and kept pretty much all of their top prospects. This looks like a big whiff to me, regardless if Skubal was a rental. You put out Misiorowski and Skubal and your chances increase 50 fold to do some damage in the playoffs.
Unconfirmed, but there are reports out there the Tigers demanded Logan Henderson be included. If that's true, that's worth more than the entire Dodgers offer, and the Brewers were right to say no.
Hard not to wear the tinfoil hat that this is the outcome the owners wanted. To say nothing of the fact that Skubal has not exactly persevered in circumstances that don't benefit him.
Excuse my ignorance but how good are these Brewers prospects and can they all be signed for multiple seasons like Chourio? I know Made is supposed to be ultra elite. That shortstop that's playing now has impressed me. Tremendous arm.
Quote from: tower912 on August 02, 2026, 09:12:23 AMTorkelson, Carpenter, Vierling, and McKinstry combining to hit .211 through 1100 ABs, along with a bullpen with more blown leads than saves is no Bueno. I am sure Harris would rather be buying. The haul is uninspiring.
Uninspiring is an understatement.
https://x.com/i/status/2083910988651249858
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 02, 2026, 09:25:26 AMUnconfirmed, but there are reports out there the Tigers demanded Logan Henderson be included. If that's true, that's worth more than the entire Dodgers offer, and the Brewers were right to say no.
Hard not to wear the tinfoil hat that this is the outcome the owners wanted. To say nothing of the fact that Skubal has not exactly persevered in circumstances that don't benefit him.
Yup. McCalve Tweeted he asked around on what a comparable package from the Brewers would've been and it was Henderson, Pena, and either Letson or Knoth.
I'm fine with the Brewers not trading for Skubal. He was going to be a Dodger in 3 months anyway, and all it would've done was given the Brewers a chance to bunt a runner around the bases once a game and hope Miz and Skubal can pitch complete game shutouts to beat them.
The reality is the Brewers would've needed Skubal plus 3 bats to add to the lineup to beat the Dodgers in a best of 7. That obviously wasn't going to happen.
Skubal was 3-3 in the Playoffs with the Tigers.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 02, 2026, 08:41:49 AMNot finding those exact numbers, but assuming with the hitters you're talking about Shohei, Pages, Muncy, Freeman, Betts and Rushing (their top 6 by fWAR).
Shohei and Freeman obviously were big-money FA acquisitions.
But ...
Pages was a guy they signed for $300K out of Cuba.
Muncy they signed to a minor league contract after the As cut him.
Betts (like Skubal) is a guy they acquired leveraging their ability to develop young players, something certain Midwestern teams are afraid to do.
Rushing was a second-round pick.
Can you link the ERA+ leaders list you're looking at?
According to this, there isn't a single Dodger in the top 10.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/earned_run_avg_plus_top_ten.shtml
But, among the Dodgers ERA+ SP leaders this year are an 11th round pick (Wrobelski), a guy they acquired this offseason for a player to be named later (Lauer) and a sixth-round pick (Sheehan).
Sorry, missed that those numbers are "since 2023."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/49469642/mlb-trade-deadline-grades-2026-tarik-skubal-los-angeles-dodgers-detroit-tigers-blockbuster
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 02, 2026, 09:32:53 AMExcuse my ignorance but how good are these Brewers prospects and can they all be signed for multiple seasons like Chourio? I know Made is supposed to be ultra elite. That shortstop that's playing now has impressed me. Tremendous arm.
They're good, but baseball is fickle. They can try to "pre-sign" their young guys to lock them up, but the Brewers do not have bottomless pockets. Pratt (8-$50m) and Lara (7-$31m) were locked up without having stepped foot on a major league field. Is that smart? If they're sure fire can't miss prospects, then yes... but baseball is fickle. Guys flame out all the time.
But this is how the Brewers have to compete. The front office, managers, and farm system in Milwaukee should be the envy of every team for the amount of talent and number of wins they are able to squeeze out of one of the poorest franchises in baseball.
When you compare that to what the Dodgers get to do (spray a fire hose of money at problems) you can understand why people are not in love with the current state of major league baseball.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 02, 2026, 09:55:00 AMThey're good, but baseball is fickle. They can try to "pre-sign" their young guys to lock them up, but the Brewers do not have bottomless pockets. Pratt (8-$50m) and Lara (7-$31m) were locked up without having stepped foot on a major league field. Is that smart? If they're sure fire can't miss prospects, then yes... but baseball is fickle. Guys flame out all the time.
But this is how the Brewers have to compete. The front office, managers, and farm system in Milwaukee should be the envy of every team for the amount of talent and number of wins they are able to squeeze out of one of the poorest franchises in baseball.
When you compare that to what the Dodgers get to do (spray a fire hose of money at problems) you can understand why people are not in love with the current state of major league baseball.
The Lara and Pratt deals were as much about who those players were as prospects, which are high-floor defensive stalwarts. If they only meet their floor, they'll have value to the Brewers or elsewhere.
You won't see them do this with Fischer who could be Kyle Schwarber or Chris Davis or a complete flameout and every permutation in between.
f' the Dodgers. f' MLB. At least money can't screw up golf, oh., wait....
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 02, 2026, 10:25:21 AMf' the Dodgers. f' MLB. At least money can't screw up golf, oh., wait....
https://x.com/i/status/2083931911253115316
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 02, 2026, 10:29:22 AMhttps://x.com/i/status/2083931911253115316
Yeah I don't know about that. The deadline is Monday. Plenty of time to circle back to an earlier offer.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 02, 2026, 09:43:27 AMUninspiring is an understatement.
https://x.com/i/status/2083910988651249858
They were never going to get a monster return for a rental who missed more than a month this season with elbow issues.
The Tigers effed this up by choosing not to deal him in the offseason or lock him up when they had the chance. Instead, they gave 3/$115 million to Valdez and 1/$13 million to Verlander, after offering Skubal only $19 million in arbitration.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 02, 2026, 10:00:40 AMThe Lara and Pratt deals were as much about who those players were as prospects, which are high-floor defensive stalwarts. If they only meet their floor, they'll have value to the Brewers or elsewhere.
You won't see them do this with Fischer who could be Kyle Schwarber or Chris Davis or a complete flameout and every permutation in between.
Yup yup. Plus the Lara and Pratt deals help if a salary floor gets implementd in the new CBA because a floor/cap would almost certainly be calculated using AAVs.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 02, 2026, 07:56:14 AMThe conspiracy theorist I like to think I don't have in me wonders if the Tigers locked in on the Dodgers barring some can't pass on offer from another club for reasons.
But, yes, other clubs could have beaten that offer but the Brewers weren't moving Made or Henderson for a rental. Dodgers system is as good and they can replace prospects by spending on free agents.
Yeah the only way this package makes sense is if you're really in love with River Ryan. Which is obviously what Det will be saying. But he's about to turn 28(!) and currently has a 4.46 ERA in AAA. Granted, that's in the PCL and his preiphery stats are much better, and Detroit has his T-75 overall prospect rating in its corner. But staking your Tarik Skubal return on River Ryan (they were always going to anchor the return with a T-50 bat) and making that deal late Saturday night is just confusing enough to support conspiracy theories.
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 02, 2026, 12:24:32 PMYeah the only way this package makes sense is if you're really in love with River Ryan. Which is obviously what Det will be saying. But he's about to turn 28(!) and currently has a 4.46 ERA in AAA. Granted, that's in the PCL and his preiphery stats are much better, and Detroit has his T-75 overall prospect rating in its corner. But staking your Tarik Skubal return on River Ryan (they were always going to anchor the return with a T-50 bat) and making that deal late Saturday night is just confusing enough to support conspiracy theories.
Word is Detroit asked for Sheahan, but the Dodgers wouldn't include him.
Not sure why anyone thinks the Tigers would want to help the Dodgers to their own detriment. Maybe Tigers' ownership wants everyone to get frothy about the need for a cap (in which case, well played).
Quote from: wadesworld on August 02, 2026, 01:29:56 AMHope everyone who was telling me to get my house and bet 6 figures on the Dodgers to win the World Series got their same bets in before the deal changed their odds!
I don't gamble, and I don't think the Dodgers are a sure thing. You do gamble, and you are 100% certain the Dodgers cannot possibly lose. So congrats on having taken out another mortgage, having cashed in your 401k, and having bet 6 figures on the Dodgers to win the World Series. You'll enjoy that windfall three months from now!
Quote from: MU82 on August 02, 2026, 12:49:01 PMI don't gamble, and I don't think the Dodgers are a sure thing. You do gamble, and you are 100% certain the Dodgers cannot possibly lose. So congrats on having taken out another mortgage, having cashed in your 401k, and having bet 6 figures on the Dodgers to win the World Series. You'll enjoy that windfall three months from now!
It's definitely not a sure thing. In fact Karma could very well bite them in the buttocks.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 02, 2026, 12:55:59 PMIt's definitely not a sure thing. In fact Karma could very well bite them in the buttocks.
I was trying to find karma on Skubal's Savant page and couldn't find it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 02, 2026, 12:55:59 PMIt's definitely not a sure thing. In fact Karma could very well bite them in the buttocks.
Come on, man, there hasn't been this sure a thing in sports since the Golden State Warriors opened a 3-1 series lead in the 2016 NBA Finals, or maybe since the 18-0 Patriots prepared to crush the Giants in the 2008 Super Bowl, or maybe since Mike Tyson got ready to send Buster Douglas to the farm up north in 1990.
Then again, just two months ago, some were saying there was absolutely no way the Knicks could beat the Spurs, and they sure turned out to be right!
Mets trading Peralta to the Rays. Getting back the Rays' #15, #26 and #27 prospects, per Pipeline.
Yikes. Not much of a return for a guy who just cost you two of your top 5 prospects six months ago.
The only sure thing in sports, is that we'll never see a hs basketball team like the '81-83 Dunbar Poets again. Remember all these kids grew up Baltimore and many in the same neighborhood, this wasn't a hs all-star team that was recruited like Montverde. 59-0, 12 D-1 players, 3 first round NBA draft picks. I will confidently state that will never happen again.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 02, 2026, 01:27:40 PMThe only sure thing in sports, is that we'll never see a hs basketball team like the '81-83 Dunbar Poets again. Remember all these kids grew up Baltimore and many in the same neighborhood, this wasn't a hs all-star team that was recruited like Montverde. 59-0, 12 D-1 players, 3 first round NBA draft picks. I will confidently state that will never happen again.
I'm too young - is that the team Ners was dunking for
That was the most impressive series win of the year for the White Sox.
Imagine the reaction from Wades if the Dodgers got a Time Machine and signed 2015 Jake arrieta
Kevin Gausman to Cubs.
Quote from: Dish on August 02, 2026, 03:31:40 PMThat was the most impressive series win of the year for the White Sox.
Sent out their #3, #4 and #5 starters, and allowed three runs all weekend.
Pretty good.
The other Sox are looking pretty good, too. Hope the dodgers don't have to face them in the WS.
Gausman to the Cubs for a couple of meh prospects.
D'oh. Missed TT's post.
If it's true that the Padres turned down four-plus years of Will Warren for a month of Morejon, I wouldn't hold out much hope of anyone prying Mason Miller.
What Boston is doing is really something.
Quote from: MUBurrow on August 02, 2026, 09:15:44 PMIf it's true that the Padres turned down four-plus years of Will Warren for a month of Morejon, I wouldn't hold out much hope of anyone prying Mason Miller.
Why would they deal Miller. They've won 8 of 9 and are a game back for the 2nd wild card spot.
Didn't expect the Jays to be buyers, but Soriano has two more years of control, so I guess it makes sense if they're counting on a bounce-back 2027.
I'm hoping the Cubs can land Clay Holmes and Luke Weaver from the Mets. Sounds like the Brewers may be interested as well.
Rangers are reportedly making everyone available.
Eovaldi, Gore, deGrom, ...
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 03, 2026, 12:33:18 PMRangers are reportedly making everyone available.
Eovaldi, Gore, deGrom, ...
Maybe not deGrom. Rosenthal says the Rangers asked if he would waive his no trade and he told them he prefers to stay with the Rangers.
Padres appear to be buyers adding Robbie Ray.
Brewers masses are getting squirrelly
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 03, 2026, 01:24:21 PMBrewers masses are getting squirrelly
How can you tell?
looks like Clay Holmes or bust
Taylor Ward to Seattle.
Might be too late for the Mariners, but we'll see. Ward was a dynamo in 2024 and 2025 but he's had a power shortage this season ... just like the Mariners. Seattle did not give up real prospects in the deal, so I guess why not.
Also, Jo Adell to Cleveland.
Reports of Reid Detmers to Cubs.
EDIT: Ryan Zeferjahn goes from Angels to Cubs.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 03, 2026, 01:48:01 PMReports of Reid Detmers to Cubs.
And Adell to Cleveland.
Angels having a full-on fire sale.
Also, Rutschman to Boston.
Dustin May to the Brewers.
Great hair, at least.
Dustin May and JoJo Romero to the Brewers.
Luke Weaver to Pirates.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 03, 2026, 02:22:51 PMDustin May and JoJo Romero to the Brewers.
May is an extremely Brewers pitcher. Romero is on the IL but maybe can give Ashby a breather once healthy
Ryan Zeferjahn and Braxton Garrett to Cubs.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 03, 2026, 01:40:57 PMNot bust worthy imo
Not a bad deal. Surprised Cards did this to a team in their own division.
Clay Holmes and Tyrone Taylor to Cubs.
Quote from: Jockey on August 03, 2026, 03:14:08 PMNot a bad deal. Surprised Cards did this to a team in their own division.
Cards got a good haul but years in the future. Scared money don't make money.
Joey Bart is not among the catchers White Sox fans were hoping for.
Heal fast, Kyle Teel.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2026, 04:11:52 PMJoey Bart is not among the catchers White Sox fans were hoping for.
Heal fast, Kyle Teel.
I think the Sox should have the DH bat for the catcher. :D
PCA is a ... Babe Ruth truther?
Also, kind of dumb.
https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/pete-crow-armstrong-babe-ruth-never-existed.html
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2026, 05:41:13 PMPCA is a ... Babe Ruth truther?
Also, kind of dumb.
https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/pete-crow-armstrong-babe-ruth-never-existed.html
That famous picture of Babe Ruth pointing to where PCA will hopelessly jump for an absolute bomb
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 03, 2026, 06:00:28 PMThat famous picture of Babe Ruth pointing to where PCA will hopelessly jump for an absolute bomb
Lololol incredible.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2026, 05:41:13 PMPCA is a ... Babe Ruth truther?
Also, kind of dumb.
https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/pete-crow-armstrong-babe-ruth-never-existed.html
Incredibly on brand.
I'm not the biggest Brewers fan but I've liked them ever since my MU daze ... and I wish they had been more aggressive on the trade market.
You get Skubal and you not only give yourself two absolute studs at the top of your rotation, you also keep the Dodgers from getting him.
You've never won a World Series, you haven't been to one in 44 years, and you have a legit team now. What are you waiting for?
Quote from: MU82 on August 03, 2026, 06:33:37 PMI'm not the biggest Brewers fan but I've liked them ever since my MU daze ... and I wish they had been more aggressive on the trade market.
You get Skubal and you not only give yourself two absolute studs at the top of your rotation, you also keep the Dodgers from getting him.
You've never won a World Series, you haven't been to one in 44 years, and you have a legit team now. What are you waiting for?
Well said. Who are these people they picked up? Every other playoff team was more active.
Quote from: MU82 on August 03, 2026, 06:33:37 PMI'm not the biggest Brewers fan but I've liked them ever since my MU daze ... and I wish they had been more aggressive on the trade market.
You get Skubal and you not only give yourself two absolute studs at the top of your rotation, you also keep the Dodgers from getting him.
You've never won a World Series, you haven't been to one in 44 years, and you have a legit team now. What are you waiting for?
Yup, yup.
If the Brewers could score just a few runs, Miz-Skubal-Harrison would be very tough to beat in a series.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 03, 2026, 06:47:15 PMYup, yup.
If the Brewers could score just a few runs, Miz-Skubal-Harrison would be very tough to beat in a series.
Was there a bat they could have picked up? Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 03, 2026, 06:50:03 PMWas there a bat they could have picked up? Ty.
No
I wish they were more aggressive but the guy I wanted after Skubal (Detmers) didn't go. The one bat (Goodman) that had a place to play here also didn't go.
I thought the Cubs had a really good deadline. Gausman is a name but the guys they got today can really pitch. They gave up quite a bit though. I am glad the Brewers were not in the position they and the Padres were.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 03, 2026, 07:05:31 PMNo
I wish they were more aggressive but the guy I wanted after Skubal (Detmers) didn't go. The one bat (Goodman) that had a place to play here also didn't go.
I thought the Cubs had a really good deadline. Gausman is a name but the guys they got today can really pitch. They gave up quite a bit though. I am glad the Brewers were not in the position they and the Padres were.
Okay. I'm no expert, so ty. Maybe the Brewers still shock the world.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 03, 2026, 07:18:57 PMOkay. I'm no expert, so ty. Maybe the Brewers still shock the world.
They will shock the world by continuing to roll out Yelich and Contreras in the most disgusting lineup configurations imaginable.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 03, 2026, 08:54:34 PMThey will shock the world by continuing to roll out Yelich and Contreras in the most disgusting lineup configurations imaginable.
I don't get why Yelich plays from what I've seen.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 03, 2026, 10:22:35 PMI don't get why Yelich plays from what I've seen.
Lifetime Achievement award at this point. Our bottom of the order seem to be the ones scraping runs across right now.
Yelich would be fine if he was batting in the bottom third of the batting order.
Quote from: MU82 on August 03, 2026, 06:33:37 PMI'm not the biggest Brewers fan but I've liked them ever since my MU daze ... and I wish they had been more aggressive on the trade market.
You get Skubal and you not only give yourself two absolute studs at the top of your rotation, you also keep the Dodgers from getting him.
You've never won a World Series, you haven't been to one in 44 years, and you have a legit team now. What are you waiting for?
I think the Brewers made some good pickups but yeah... this was the year for them to go all in.
But hey, why even bother fielding a team when the Dodgers are already engraved on the trophy?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 04, 2026, 08:46:42 AMYelich would be fine if he was batting in the bottom third of the batting order.
And didn't clog the DH spot.
Deadline additions are fine. But nothing matters if Chourio, Yelich, Contreras don't pick it up. The offense is in a massive rut.
I would have traded a lot for Hunter Goodman. He's early arb years this offseason and I don't see a world in which Contreras is not traded this offseason. He would have filled a DH and backup catcher in the meantime. But he didn't get moved which means he was either not available or the price was incredibly high.
Outside of Arraez, there aren't any bats that got moved that I really wish we got. The stars have to star.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 04, 2026, 09:24:54 AMI think the Brewers made some good pickups but yeah... this was the year for them to go all in.
But hey, why even bother fielding a team when the Dodgers are already engraved on the trophy?
Agreed. I'm glad they didn't make a big splash trade. Would've been a waste. Dumb that they gave up two top 15 prospects in their system.
Congrats to your boys on some big splashes just so they can try to advance further than the Brewers do.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 04, 2026, 11:34:06 AMCongrats to your boys on some big splashes just so they can try to advance further than the Brewers do.
I mean you have to advance farther than the Brewers to win the World Series, so yes these moves were made for that.
Skubal paying immediate dividends.
Huh.
JK ... obviously one August game means nothing.
I actually like the moves the Cubs made, though.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 04, 2026, 08:23:51 AMLifetime Achievement award at this point. Our bottom of the order seem to be the ones scraping runs across right now.
Tbe Brewers are the first team to 70 wins and have the best record in baseball to this point. That said, I just looked at Yelich's stats. They're a total abomination. At some point you have to move on and use him as a pinch hitter. You cannot have him batting 1-5 or anywhere else in the line-up. Don't they have a number of better DH options?
For what it's worth the 2026 World Series Champions are 13-15 since July 1st.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 04, 2026, 09:55:15 PMFor what it's worth the 2026 World Series Champions are 13-15 since July 1st.
Saving their energy.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 04, 2026, 09:55:15 PMFor what it's worth the 2026 World Series Champions are 13-15 since July 1st.
Just like they were 10-14 in the month of July last season. And 11-13 in the month of July during the 2024 season.
They're sleepwalking through the season. Snell and Glasnow have pitched 42 and 2/3 innings this season, and Skubal has pitched 6 innings for them. Ohtani's just going to save his pitching arm for the Playoffs.
But I do love that the same people who did this last year are the same ones doing it this year.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 04, 2026, 11:42:25 PMJust like they were 10-14 in the month of July last season. And 11-13 in the month of July during the 2024 season.
They're sleepwalking through the season. Snell and Glasnow have pitched 42 and 2/3 innings this season, and Skubal has pitched 6 innings for them. Ohtani's just going to save his pitching arm for the Playoffs.
But I do love that the same people who did this last year are the same ones doing it this year.
And last year they were a few inches from not winning the World Series.
Sure, they are the heavy favorites, but they are far from the unstoppable force you make them out to be.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 04, 2026, 09:49:35 PMTbe Brewers are the first team to 70 wins and have the best record in baseball to this point. That said, I just looked at Yelich's stats. They're a total abomination. At some point you have to move on and use him as a pinch hitter. You cannot have him batting 1-5 or anywhere else in the line-up. Don't they have a number of better DH options?
To be fair, they had him down at 7th tonight until Bauers was a late scratch.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 05, 2026, 09:18:13 AMTo be fair, they had him down at 7th tonight until Bauers was a late scratch.
Performative managing
PCA hits a leadoff homerun on the first pitch he saw.
Took that bum Ohtani seven pitches to hit his leadoff homerun.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 05, 2026, 01:36:50 PMPCA hits a leadoff homerun on the first pitch he saw.
Took that bum Ohtani seven pitches to hit his leadoff homerun.
MVPete! MVPete! MVPete!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 04, 2026, 08:46:42 AMYelich would be fine if he was batting in the bottom third of the batting order.
Yeah because that's what you want from a DH.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 05, 2026, 01:48:09 PMYeah because that's what you want from a DH.
Certainly not, but it's where we're at.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2026, 01:40:41 PMMVPete! MVPete! MVPete!
He'll be a big hit at the next Trump rally he attenda
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 05, 2026, 01:36:50 PMPCA hits a leadoff homerun on the first pitch he saw.
Took that bum Ohtani seven pitches to hit his leadoff homerun.
Both guys hitting a second homerun today.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 05, 2026, 04:05:46 PMBoth guys hitting a second homerun today.
The two best baseball players on the planet showing out against each other. Iron sharpens iron.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 05, 2026, 03:54:38 PMHe'll be a big hit at the next Trump rally he attenda
Next?
The Brewers' pitcher was taken out in the 6th after 8 straight strikeouts, 1 hit, and 69 pitches? WTF? He looked pissed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 05, 2026, 08:11:06 PMThe Brewers' pitcher was taken out in the 6th after 8 straight strikeouts, 1 hit, and 69 pitches? WTF? He looked pissed.
He's either mad he's hurt again or mad because he thought he could pitch thru
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 05, 2026, 08:14:00 PMHe's either mad he's hurt again or mad because he thought he could pitch thru
Oh...did he get hurt?
"Per Adam McCalvy, Kyle Harrison is cramping in both calves, which is what led to the premature exit."
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2026, 08:27:08 PM"Per Adam McCalvy, Kyle Harrison is cramping in both calves, which is what led to the premature exit."
Oh. My apologies.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2026, 08:27:08 PM"Per Adam McCalvy, Kyle Harrison is cramping in both calves, which is what led to the premature exit."
That never veals good.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 05, 2026, 08:29:46 PMOh. My apologies.
Not like you to jump to conclusions. It was also his first start back from injury.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2026, 08:27:08 PM"Per Adam McCalvy, Kyle Harrison is cramping in both calves, which is what led to the premature exit."
Beto O'Rourke musta been in Milwaukee tonight
The Tigers sure found the cure for what ails em.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2026, 08:27:08 PM"Per Adam McCalvy, Kyle Harrison is cramping in both calves, which is what led to the premature exit."
He should have thought about baseball.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2026, 05:57:26 PMThe Tigers sure found the cure for what ails em.
It was a coin flip for Harris at the trade deadline. The Tigers have a really solid record since June 1. However, their May was about as bad as humanly possible. Harris held on as long as he possibly could, waiting for a defining winning streak like the Red Sox had. The Tigers have done it before. Then, Detroit dropped 4 out of 5 with horrible bullpen collapses (more blown late inning leads than saves) and he pulled the trigger.
Carpenter and Vierling went on the DL. The hitters suddenly started hitting the ball everywhere. Fun to watch. I doubt it is sustainable over the next 45 games because the bullpen still stinks and there will be close games. The starting rotation, barring more injuries, is workable.
The AL is still mediocre, so it is possible Detroit bats stay hot enough to keep them in it. I think it more likely, though, that the bats cool off and the bullpen blows more leads, leading to 77-78 wins and being a few games short.
Unfortunately, tower, the Tigers don't get to play the Mariners 40 more times.
If the baseball gods are generous, the White Sox won't see the Red Sox again until 2027.
Quote from: MU82 on August 07, 2026, 10:10:44 AMUnfortunately, tower, the Tigers don't get to play the Mariners 40 more times.
No unfortunately. They dug their hole. How close do they come to digging out of it?
Quote from: Pakuni on August 07, 2026, 10:22:18 AMIf the baseball gods are generous, the White Sox won't see the Red Sox again until 2027.
The Red Sox appear to be the best team in baseball. Do simple hot streaks last this long?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 07, 2026, 12:10:12 PMThe Red Sox appear to be the best team in baseball. Do simple hot streaks last this long?
Law of averages said they can't play this well forever.
RIP 2026 White Sox
It was a fun few months.
Quote from: Dish on August 07, 2026, 08:12:38 PMRIP 2026 White Sox
It was a fun few months.
You were never supposed to enjoy them anyway.
Mike Trout brought his Angels teammates to his private golf club in New Jersey on Aug. 3 for a round of team bonding. Four of them got traded during the outing.
Quote from: Dish on August 07, 2026, 08:12:38 PMRIP 2026 White Sox
It was a fun few months.
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/e6ffde1502c4e089e9c3fbee0b0d0ab5/tumblr_ppct6aY3QN1xpp27no2_r1_400.gif)
Quote from: Pakuni on August 10, 2026, 03:59:48 PM(https://64.media.tumblr.com/e6ffde1502c4e089e9c3fbee0b0d0ab5/tumblr_ppct6aY3QN1xpp27no2_r1_400.gif)
I'm good with my post being a reverse jinx (if it works out that way).
I really thought their soul got ripped out by the Red Sox and that first Guardians game. My fears of them running out of gas and pitching collapsing felt real last week.
Quote from: Dish on August 11, 2026, 08:19:19 PMI'm good with my post being a reverse jinx (if it works out that way).
I really thought their soul got ripped out by the Red Sox and that first Guardians game. My fears of them running out of gas and pitching collapsing felt real last week.
You aren't wrong to be concerned, at least about the pitching.
Hey at least I got my Pope hat.
Cal Raleigh asked to talk to the media after the Mariners lost to the Yankees last night, and he personally took the blame for Seattle's terrible season.
"We're not playing well, that starts with me — I'm awful. So it is what it is. I've got to find a way to be better and to help bring the guys along, and we've just got to play better.
"Ultimately, we're just playing very, very, very bad baseball in every facet of the game. We've got to pick it up from the energy standpoint, to the execution, to the little things in the game that help you win baseball games. And we're just not doing those right now. ...
"It's not (management's) fault, it's our fault. We're the ones that aren't performing and we have to accept that. It's just the tough reality of it. Ultimately, as a leader on this team, I feel responsible.
"We just have to do — I just have to do — a better job of getting ready to go and be prepared and bringing that edge and that readiness each night at 7 o'clock."
I would venture to guess if one wanted to make an offer for the Dodgers, they can be had.
Nice Jomboy breakdown of the tag play in the Red Sox/Blue Jays game and playing for the fourth out with the addition of replay.
https://x.com/Jomboy_/status/2087691801687638105/video/1?s=46
Can Dustin May hit?
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 13, 2026, 08:44:55 AMCan Dustin May hit?
Which is why getting Skubal wouldn't have changed anything for the Brewers. They needed him plus 3 (minimum) bats. Which was obviously never going to happen.
The play is for 2028. Infield/DH should consist of some combination of Made, Pratt, Turang, Pena, Adamczewski, Fischer. Outfield should consist of Chourio, Lara, Payne, Mitchell, Frelick. Starting rotation hopefully consists of Miz, Henderson, Harrison, Priester, Letson, Drohan, Gasser.
Though by that point, without any changes to revenue sharing or a salary cap, the Dodgers will probably have a lineup that includes Shohei, Yordan Alvarez, Bobby Witt, Junior Caminero, James Wood, Dillon Dingler, Matt Olson, and Ben Rice and none of that will matter, either.
Yup. The 2000 Yankees will go on to win the next 10 World Series.
Quote from: MU82 on August 13, 2026, 12:00:53 PMYup. The 2000 Yankees will go on to win the next 10 World Series.
The 2000 Yankees didn't have the farm system the current Dodgers do nor a GM that will be forced to sign guys he doesn't want to
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2026, 12:06:11 PMThe 2000 Yankees didn't have the farm system the current Dodgers do nor a GM that will be forced to sign guys he doesn't want to
Doesn't matter. They bought whoever they wanted. They won 4 out of 5 World Series, they were the evil empire, and they were therefore sure things to win the next 10. At least.
Quote from: MU82 on August 13, 2026, 12:10:41 PMDoesn't matter. They bought whoever they wanted. They won 4 out of 5 World Series, they were the evil empire, and they were therefore sure things to win the next 10. At least.
It does matter. It's a big difference.
Andrew Friedman is a better GM than Cashman was at that time. And he doesn't have to deal with an owner that makes him sign Rondell White and Jose Contreras. The Yankees might have won another 6-7 titles if Cashman had been allowed to get Johnny Damon in '02 or Vlad Guerrero in '04. Or keep Andy Pettite and have a legit lefty to throw in the '04 ALCS.
The Dodgers not only have a ton of money, they have an ownership group that lets it baseball people run things. And they're amongst the best in baseball at what they do.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2026, 12:14:13 PMIt does matter. It's a big difference.
Andrew Friedman is a better GM than Cashman was at that time. And he doesn't have to deal with an owner that makes him sign Rondell White and Jose Contreras. The Yankees might have won another 6-7 titles if Cashman had been allowed to get Johnny Damon in '02 or Vlad Guerrero in '04. Or keep Andy Pettite and have a legit lefty to throw in the '04 ALCS.
The Dodgers not only have a ton of money, they have an ownership group that lets it baseball people run things. And they're amongst the best in baseball at what they do.
Not to mention, their farm system is one of the best as well.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 13, 2026, 12:17:28 PMNot to mention, their farm system is one of the best as well.
Exactly. They're not guaranteed anything but of all the big money spenders, no one has positioned themselves better for long term success.
Fair enough. I guess baseball is doomed, after all.
Quote from: MU82 on August 13, 2026, 01:50:41 PMFair enough. I guess baseball is doomed, after all.
It's not doomed but the Dodgers are a bit of a unicorn. Deep-pocketed teams don't always win. See: Mets.
But they rarely make glaring personnel mistakes and understand the value of a deep system, a deep system that develops players akin to a small-market team.
The Dodger way that served them from the Branch Rickey days through Lasorda is back, but done a bit different.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2026, 01:56:45 PMBut they rarely make glaring personnel mistakes and understand the value of a deep system, a deep system that develops players akin to a small-market team.
And gives them high quality assets to trade when the time comes.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2026, 01:56:45 PMIt's not doomed but the Dodgers are a bit of a unicorn. Deep-pocketed teams don't always win. See: Mets.
But they rarely make glaring personnel mistakes and understand the value of a deep system, a deep system that develops players akin to a small-market team.
The Dodger way that served them from the Branch Rickey days through Lasorda is back, but done a bit different.
I think the Dodgers are amazing in their operations. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure the manager is on par with the rest of the FO and players.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 13, 2026, 04:13:47 PMI think the Dodgers are amazing in their operations. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure the manager is on par with the rest of the FO and players.
He isn't. But so much of managing today is about the clubhouse. Organizations that are successful have a program in place from the lowest levels up where the messaging and development is the same.
If Roberts were that much of a problem, they'd have dumped him by now. But I get what you're saying.
Satchel Paige made his debut 78 years ago today. What a terrible moment for sports and America
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2026, 05:45:59 PMSatchel Paige made his debut 78 years ago today. What a terrible moment for sports and America
Not as bad as what happened on April 15, 1947 ... but in the ballpark, so to speak.
Interesting look at Paul Skenes' season in The Athletic's e-newsletter:
On July 27, the Pirates held the final National League wild-card spot. Today, they're 6.5 games back and more or less out of the race. One of the reasons for their collapse is a shocker.
Entering this year, Paul Skenes was as much of an ace as an ace can be. He pitched to ERAs of 1.96 and 1.97 in his first two years, winning Rookie of the Year, the NL Cy Young and back-to-back starting nods in the All-Star Game. This year, Skenes' ERA is 3.88, but that barely explains why his season has been so flummoxing.
Through nine starts, Skenes had a 1.98 ERA. In 16 starts since then, Skenes' ERA is an even 5. Walks and homers are up, and efficiency is down. Skenes is getting through an average of 5 1/3 innings per start. Many of his peripheral stats still look excellent, and both the pitcher and team have espoused a process-trusting approach. "Got to remember what's real," the big man said in June, amid a streak of nine Pirates losses in his starts. His manager, Don Kelly, noted Skenes set the bar "so high" in his first two years.
Something's off, though. It's not just that the Pirates have posted a full 2015 Browns season (a 3-13 record) in Skenes' last 16 starts. That could be noise. But is it?
Skenes' fastball velocity is plummeting to new lows pretty much all the time now, and Kelly just yanked him from a game after 65 pitches. Skenes has indicated that the velocity dip is intentional, part of a self-preservation plan, and that he could access more if he needed it. But his hardest pitches are also slower, suggesting that Skenes does not actually have it when he needs it. Coupled with worse command, he's allowing more base runners and hard-hit balls than ever. The Pirates are concerned enough to be pushing back Skenes' planned start today, to Wednesday. They say it's about recovery and not an injury.
What's happened? A few theories are bouncing around:
++The World Baseball Classic messed with his offseason prep. Skenes was amped up for the WBC, a March event that changed his spring training buildup.
++Something is wrong with his mechanics. Eno Sarris has a deep, deep dive on the current state of Skenes' arsenal.
++Skenes has gained weight. This one comes from longtime Pirates reporter John Perrotto, citing "multiple people" who believe Skenes looks less athletic and that added weight is messing with his delivery.
++He's injured, and the team hasn't realized it. Fans are on edge about the Pirates' medical staff. Prized rookie shortstop Konnor Griffin has had two long-term injury absences this season, each after remaining in the game or lineup immediately after his injury. Starter Mitch Keller was just ruled out for the season after looking like a shell of himself for months. There's a trust gap here, at least.
++Skenes has a cumulative case of "the Pirates." The organization is a bottomless pit of failure under owner Bob Nutting and seventh-year general manager Ben Cherington. That includes team defense. Entering this weekend, fielders behind Skenes had posted a -8 defensive run value, second-worst in the majors. Remember Opening Day?
Whatever it is, things aren't fine. I suspect Skenes will fix the problem next year as long as he's healthy, because he's such a great talent and still so early in his career. Whether the Pirates will achieve anything with him is a different question, though. The club will soon have missed the playoffs in each of Skenes' three pre-arbitration seasons. A lockout beckons, and so does Skenes' free agency in 2030.
Tommy John dead at 83.
His left arm has another 10 years in it, though.
The Brewers win 3 of 4 vs the Dodgers. And are dealing with injuries. Good to see them punk Skubal.
Logan Henderson was always untouchable because he's a good starter with 5 years of control. He might be more than that.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 16, 2026, 06:09:41 PMLogan Henderson was always untouchable because he's a good starter with 5 years of control. He might be more than that.
The biggest thing with him seems to be health.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 16, 2026, 06:09:41 PMLogan Henderson was always untouchable because he's a good starter with 5 years of control. He might be more than that.
Do the Brewers have him under contract for a few more years? Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 16, 2026, 06:23:33 PMDo the Brewers have him under contract for a few more years? Ty.
No
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 16, 2026, 06:23:33 PMDo the Brewers have him under contract for a few more years? Ty.
They have him under control the next two years pre-arbitration, then three arbitration years.
My apologies. I misread GB's post.
Quote from: MU82 on August 16, 2026, 12:08:37 PMInteresting look at Paul Skenes' season in The Athletic's e-newsletter:
On July 27, the Pirates held the final National League wild-card spot. Today, they're 6.5 games back and more or less out of the race. One of the reasons for their collapse is a shocker.
Entering this year, Paul Skenes was as much of an ace as an ace can be. He pitched to ERAs of 1.96 and 1.97 in his first two years, winning Rookie of the Year, the NL Cy Young and back-to-back starting nods in the All-Star Game. This year, Skenes' ERA is 3.88, but that barely explains why his season has been so flummoxing.
Through nine starts, Skenes had a 1.98 ERA. In 16 starts since then, Skenes' ERA is an even 5. Walks and homers are up, and efficiency is down. Skenes is getting through an average of 5 1/3 innings per start. Many of his peripheral stats still look excellent, and both the pitcher and team have espoused a process-trusting approach. "Got to remember what's real," the big man said in June, amid a streak of nine Pirates losses in his starts. His manager, Don Kelly, noted Skenes set the bar "so high" in his first two years.
Something's off, though. It's not just that the Pirates have posted a full 2015 Browns season (a 3-13 record) in Skenes' last 16 starts. That could be noise. But is it?
Skenes' fastball velocity is plummeting to new lows pretty much all the time now, and Kelly just yanked him from a game after 65 pitches. Skenes has indicated that the velocity dip is intentional, part of a self-preservation plan, and that he could access more if he needed it. But his hardest pitches are also slower, suggesting that Skenes does not actually have it when he needs it. Coupled with worse command, he's allowing more base runners and hard-hit balls than ever. The Pirates are concerned enough to be pushing back Skenes' planned start today, to Wednesday. They say it's about recovery and not an injury.
What's happened? A few theories are bouncing around:
++The World Baseball Classic messed with his offseason prep. Skenes was amped up for the WBC, a March event that changed his spring training buildup.
++Something is wrong with his mechanics. Eno Sarris has a deep, deep dive on the current state of Skenes' arsenal.
++Skenes has gained weight. This one comes from longtime Pirates reporter John Perrotto, citing "multiple people" who believe Skenes looks less athletic and that added weight is messing with his delivery.
++He's injured, and the team hasn't realized it. Fans are on edge about the Pirates' medical staff. Prized rookie shortstop Konnor Griffin has had two long-term injury absences this season, each after remaining in the game or lineup immediately after his injury. Starter Mitch Keller was just ruled out for the season after looking like a shell of himself for months. There's a trust gap here, at least.
++Skenes has a cumulative case of "the Pirates." The organization is a bottomless pit of failure under owner Bob Nutting and seventh-year general manager Ben Cherington. That includes team defense. Entering this weekend, fielders behind Skenes had posted a -8 defensive run value, second-worst in the majors. Remember Opening Day?
Whatever it is, things aren't fine. I suspect Skenes will fix the problem next year as long as he's healthy, because he's such a great talent and still so early in his career. Whether the Pirates will achieve anything with him is a different question, though. The club will soon have missed the playoffs in each of Skenes' three pre-arbitration seasons. A lockout beckons, and so does Skenes' free agency in 2030.
TLDR
I think it's because he's settling down and got fat. Many such cases.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 16, 2026, 06:24:31 PMNo
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Quote from: MuggsyB on August 16, 2026, 06:31:47 PMMy apologies. I misread GB's post.
Not accepted. Be more careful next time
I'll happily go 3-4 in San Diego and LA any day.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 16, 2026, 06:06:44 PMThe Brewers win 3 of 4 vs the Dodgers. And are dealing with injuries. Good to see them punk Skubal.
Brewers had a good series. Would enjoy a rematch in October. If the Dodgers don't win their third WS in a row, I would love to see the Brew Crew win it all.
Skubal got punked? My sources (i.e. my iPhone) says he gave up one earned run in 6 innings of work. If that's being punked, more please.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on August 16, 2026, 11:47:01 PMBrewers had a good series. Would enjoy a rematch in October. If the Dodgers don't win their third WS in a row, I would love to see the Brew Crew win it all.
Skubal got punked? My sources (i.e. my iPhone) says he gave up one earned run in 6 innings of work. If that's being punked, more please.
I watched the inning where he threw like 50 pitches. The Brewers had really solid at bats and he did not look particularly good.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 16, 2026, 06:06:44 PMThe Brewers win 3 of 4 vs the Dodgers. And are dealing with injuries. Good to see them punk Skubal.
Dodgers must not have been trying. I've been told the Brewers (and every other team) can't compete with the Dodgers.
I've been bandwagoning a bit with the Brewers. Who would you lead off come playoffs time? I know they have a few guys out. Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 17, 2026, 08:46:34 AMI've been bandwagoning a bit with the Brewers. Who would you lead off comme playoffs time? I know they have a few guys out. Ty.
Gary Sanchez
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 17, 2026, 08:53:40 AMThe big guy? He can't run.
Which is good cause he can't hit either.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 17, 2026, 08:53:40 AMThe big guy? He can't run.
that is incredibly discriminatory towards people of size. absolutely disgusting
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 17, 2026, 09:04:10 AMthat is incredibly discriminatory towards people of size. absolutely disgusting
I think you're grasping at straws. Some big guys can run, but he's not one of them.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on August 17, 2026, 09:04:10 AMthat is incredibly discriminatory towards people of size. absolutely disgusting
Fat shaming. SMDH. Blocked and reported.
Nice work by the Brewers. And now they get a huge break - a 3-game series at home against the Mariners.
Gary might use up all our challenges in the first at-bat of the game.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 17, 2026, 10:40:53 AMGary might use up all our challenges in the first at-bat of the game.
He can't hit into a double play leading off.
Gary Sanchez takes a lot of crap because he's Gary Sanchez. But he's been a great backup catcher this year. Fantastic late signing. Average defensively and the third best OPS on the team behind Bauers and Vaughn.
Quote from: BM1090 on August 17, 2026, 11:19:42 AMGary Sanchez takes a lot of crap because he's Gary Sanchez. But he's been a great backup catcher this year. Fantastic late signing. Average defensively and the third best OPS on the team behind Bauers and Vaughn.
He's been good offensively. And is probably a better pitch caller than Bill if we're being honest.
I wish either of our catchers knew the fcking strike zone
Quote from: BM1090 on August 17, 2026, 11:19:42 AMGary Sanchez takes a lot of crap because he's Gary Sanchez. But he's been a great backup catcher this year. Fantastic late signing. Average defensively and the third best OPS on the team behind Bauers and Vaughn.
He's a perfectly acceptable back up catcher for a contending club
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 17, 2026, 11:51:43 AMHe's a perfectly acceptable back up catcher for a contending club
Agreed. He also should never be allowed to challenge.
Juggernaut Dodgers Since July 1:
- 23rd in runs scored per game (4.02)
- 22nd in wRC+ (91)
- 22nd in walk rate (8.0%)
- 20th in on-base percentage (.308)
- 21st in bullpen ERA (4.51)
- 30th in bullpen walk rate (12.6%)
- 30th in blown saves (9)
- 1-6 record vs. Cubs and Brewers
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 17, 2026, 12:19:08 PMJuggernaut Dodgers Since July 1:
- 23rd in runs scored per game (4.02)
- 22nd in wRC+ (91)
- 22nd in walk rate (8.0%)
- 20th in on-base percentage (.308)
- 21st in bullpen ERA (4.51)
- 30th in bullpen walk rate (12.6%)
- 30th in blown saves (9)
- 1-6 record vs. Cubs and Brewers
To be fair, now that they've won the 2026 World Series, there's not much for them to play for this year.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 17, 2026, 12:19:08 PMJuggernaut Dodgers Since July 1:
- 23rd in runs scored per game (4.02)
- 22nd in wRC+ (91)
- 22nd in walk rate (8.0%)
- 20th in on-base percentage (.308)
- 21st in bullpen ERA (4.51)
- 30th in bullpen walk rate (12.6%)
- 30th in blown saves (9)
- 1-6 record vs. Cubs and Brewers
On the one hand, they didn't really round into form last year until the postseason.
On the other hand, even after they rounded into form during the postseason, they still needed a confluence of events - some of them flukish - to win the championship.
If I was forced at gunpoint to bet on one team, I'd bet on the Dodgers. They have the most talent. But there have been many, many, many, MANY years in MLB and other pro and college leagues in which the most talented team doesn't win the championship. That list arguably would include the 2023, 2022, 2021, 2019, 2018 and 2017 Dodgers.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 17, 2026, 08:05:57 AMDodgers must not have been trying. I've been told the Brewers (and every other team) can't compete with the Dodgers.
Yeah, just like when the Brewers went 6-0 against the Dodgers last year in the regular season. They sure scared the hell out of them come Playoff time!
Quote from: SoCalEagle on August 16, 2026, 11:47:01 PMBrewers had a good series. Would enjoy a rematch in October. If the Dodgers don't win their third WS in a row, I would love to see the Brew Crew win it all.
Skubal got punked? My sources (i.e. my iPhone) says he gave up one earned run in 6 innings of work. If that's being punked, more please.
It's Muggsy. He was probably asking us who this Skubal guy was going into the trade deadline, and definitely didn't see the game to know whether Skubal was "punked."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 17, 2026, 12:19:08 PMJuggernaut Dodgers Since July 1:
- 23rd in runs scored per game (4.02)
- 22nd in wRC+ (91)
- 22nd in walk rate (8.0%)
- 20th in on-base percentage (.308)
- 21st in bullpen ERA (4.51)
- 30th in bullpen walk rate (12.6%)
- 30th in blown saves (9)
- 1-6 record vs. Cubs and Brewers
You might want to check how they did in July and August the last 2 years. And who they have either not playing due to injury right now, or just returning from injury.
But sure. If the Cubs want to do the job of taking out the Dodgers in the Playoffs I'm all for it. They're not very good anyway.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 17, 2026, 01:44:02 PMIt's Muggsy. He was probably asking us who this Skubal guy was going into the trade deadline, and definitely didn't see the game to know whether Skubal was "punked."
*the air of an ICU doctor after a mass casualty event* I regret to inform you Muggsy spoke in hyperbole
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 17, 2026, 12:19:08 PMJuggernaut Dodgers Since July 1:
- 23rd in runs scored per game (4.02)
- 22nd in wRC+ (91)
- 22nd in walk rate (8.0%)
- 20th in on-base percentage (.308)
- 21st in bullpen ERA (4.51)
- 30th in bullpen walk rate (12.6%)
- 30th in blown saves (9)
- 1-6 record vs. Cubs and Brewers
And we stole Dustin May while they had to settle for Skubal.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 17, 2026, 01:45:54 PMYou might want to check how they did in July and August the last 2 years. And who they have either not playing due to injury right now, or just returning from injury.
But sure. If the Cubs want to do the job of taking out the Dodgers in the Playoffs I'm all for it. They're not very good anyway.
I don't think this Dodgers team is quite at the same level. They're the favorite for sure, and their rotation is insane when healthy.
But their lineup isn't as deep. Betts has been on a steady decline and I think he's a low .700 OPS guy now. Same with Hernandez. We'll see about Tucker, but if the pressure is getting to him in LA now, it's not going to get easier in the playoffs.
They are more beatable than last year, IMO. Even with Skubal.
What happened to Seattle?
Quote from: MU82 on August 17, 2026, 10:34:30 AMNice work by the Brewers. And now they get a huge break - a 3-game series at home against the Mariners.
Wow this wasn't hyperbole
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 18, 2026, 08:48:26 PMWow this wasn't hyperbole
I bet you 5 bucks my boyz hold the Crew to single digits tomorrow, though.
Quote from: MU82 on August 18, 2026, 10:20:35 PMI bet you 5 bucks my boyz hold the Crew to single digits tomorrow, though.
Mariners tying records!
"Tied for largest shutout since 1888"
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 18, 2026, 09:51:40 PMWow. 22 runs, 22 hits?
I posted this when it was 11-0 btw
Tatis is so much fun...
https://x.com/rich_roberts/status/2089896504786124907?s=20
The TV broadcast totally missed the flip out of the glove which made the whole play/celebration. Oh and he also had 2 HRs.
Pretty incredible that early on Tatis was a good defensive shortstop, great range and athletic but inconsistent, but got the majority of his value from his insane ability at the plate. Then got moved to RF after his suspension/when they signed Bogarts...and has become the best defensive RF in baseball (arguably best defensive outfielder period). Basically the opposite of when infielders often get moved to the outfield to hide their defensive flaws but retain their hitting ability.
Amazing that the runnerup for MVP last year May now be in the lead for worst starting position player in the league.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 17, 2026, 08:46:34 AMI've been bandwagoning a bit with the Brewers. Who would you lead off come playoffs time? I know they have a few guys out. Ty.
Murphy usually leads off Turang against righties and Chourio against lefties. I expect that will continue in the playoffs, but ya never know with Murph--he does like to change things up a lot.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on August 19, 2026, 12:52:56 PMMurphy usually leads off Turang against righties and Chourio against lefties. I expect that will continue in the playoffs, but ya never know with Murph--he does like to change things up a lot.
Think it's Turang. Chourio is a quintessential 2 or 3 hitter. Would love Sal to come back strong, but not counting on it
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 19, 2026, 04:06:29 PMThink it's Turang. Chourio is a quintessential 2 or 3 hitter. Would love Sal to come back strong, but not counting on it
Jortz
Quote from: Jockey on August 19, 2026, 10:44:44 AMAmazing that the runnerup for MVP last year May now be in the lead for worst starting position player in the league.
He's making the 2014 Chris Davis follow up season after his torrid 2013 look like a minor slump in comparison.
Season series tie with a top NL team and two games they could have/should have won being the losses. I'll take that from the white sox
Quote from: Shaka Shart on August 19, 2026, 04:44:01 PMSeason series tie with a top NL team and two games they could have/should have won being the losses. I'll take that from the white sox
You are allowed to feel tepid satisfaction. But certainly not joy.
https://x.com/GeorgeOnTap/status/2090122215870370204
Presented for your enjoyment.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 19, 2026, 05:06:08 PMhttps://x.com/GeorgeOnTap/status/2090122215870370204
Presented for your enjoyment.
A pretty big gamble from Ohtani. Did his "interpreter" suggest the deal?
Watch Ohtani get private equity-ed. Welcome to same hellscape as the rest of us.
From The Athletic:
The Dodgers gave four-time All-Star Kyle Tucker $240 million last offseason, and he's returned the favor by hitting .232 with a .694 OPS and 0.0 WAR (yes, 0 WAR). And it's not just his bat: His -9 outs above average ranks last among the 199 players who've played at least one inning in right field this season.
Quote from: MU82 on August 20, 2026, 11:44:41 AMFrom The Athletic:
The Dodgers gave four-time All-Star Kyle Tucker $240 million last offseason, and he's returned the favor by hitting .232 with a .694 OPS and 0.0 WAR (yes, 0 WAR). And it's not just his bat: His -9 outs above average ranks last among the 199 players who've played at least one inning in right field this season.
I was truly amazed he got that contract. He was not a very good player last year.
Angels are wrapping up the 7 Year contracts on Anthony Rendon and Stephen Strasburg this year. They got a combined 265 games out of the 2.
Baseball is a strange game.
Since the 4th of July, Joey Ortiz has a better OPS than Ohtani, PCA, or Alvarez - 2 of whom will win MVP this year.
Quote from: MU82 on August 20, 2026, 11:44:41 AMFrom The Athletic:
The Dodgers gave four-time All-Star Kyle Tucker $240 million last offseason, and he's returned the favor by hitting .232 with a .694 OPS and 0.0 WAR (yes, 0 WAR). And it's not just his bat: His -9 outs above average ranks last among the 199 players who've played at least one inning in right field this season.
And don't forget, because the Dodgers are well above the tax threshold, his $60M this year also comes with a $60M tax.
They are paying $120M this season for that.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 20, 2026, 01:17:46 PMAnd don't forget, because the Dodgers are well above the tax threshold, his $60M this year also comes with a $60M tax.
They are paying $120M this season for that.
A little less than that because he's deferring $30MM total, because of course. But yeah. Only the Dodgers could afford to offer Tucker about 2x what he was expected to be offered, have a ton of it taxed, have him play like trash, and be fine.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 20, 2026, 01:47:27 PMOnly the Dodgers could afford to offer Tucker about 2x what he was expected to be offered, have a ton of it taxed, have him play like trash, and be fine.
Yup. And why should the players accept a salary cap to help rein in
one wildly spending team? How about if the owners fix their revenue-sharing system so that the current have-nots become have-somes at the expense of the have-all Dodgers?
Quote from: MU82 on August 20, 2026, 03:31:37 PMYup. And why should the players accept a salary cap to help rein in one wildly spending team? How about if the owners fix their revenue-sharing system so that the current have-nots become have-somes at the expense of the have-all Dodgers?
We have to bailout billionaires
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 20, 2026, 03:36:53 PMWe have to bailout billionaires
The real job of true American patriots
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 20, 2026, 03:43:24 PMThe real job of true American patriots
Won't anyone think of the poor owners of professional sports teams?
I'm reading a book "The War of the Baseball Magnates" about the 1901 season. White Trash would be furious about how the poor owners suffered (through stupidity). Baseball owners deserve ZERO sympathy or support.
Quote from: MU82 on August 20, 2026, 03:31:37 PMYup. And why should the players accept a salary cap to help rein in one wildly spending team? How about if the owners fix their revenue-sharing system so that the current have-nots become have-somes at the expense of the have-all Dodgers?
Por que no los dos?
Quote from: wadesworld on August 20, 2026, 01:47:27 PMOnly the Dodgers could afford to offer Tucker about 2x what he was expected to be offered, have a ton of it taxed, have him play like trash, and be fine.
Are we sure they are fine?
More bad news for Dodgers. Pages broke his left hand last night. Hopefully he's good to go when we get to the playoffs.
Holding a 5-4 lead over the Cubs with 2 outs in the 9th inning, Mariners reliever Andres Munoz threw a 101 mph fastball past Alex Bregman. Munoz then threw a 102 mph fastball past the clearly overmatched Bregman.
So did Munoz then just throw another 102 mph fastball to end the game? Of course not! Munoz (or whoever calls pitches for the Mariners) decided to get cute, and he hung a meatball slider that Bregman deposited over the fence to tie the game.
Well, that was fun!
Quote from: MU82 on August 22, 2026, 10:19:40 PMWell, that was fun!
PCA almost had it. Just another 40' or so
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 23, 2026, 07:59:25 AMPCA almost had it. Just another 40' or so
His effort just jumped his fWAR by 2.5 points though. He's now on pace for the best single year of baseball played in the history of the game.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 23, 2026, 09:08:12 AMHis effort just jumped his fWAR by 2.5 points though. He's now on pace for the best single year of baseball played in the history of the game.
As soon as I saw where the ball was hit, I knew we'd have a futile PCA leap. When he injures himself doing one of those, I wonder what the reaction will be
Quote from: wadesworld on August 23, 2026, 09:08:12 AMHis effort just jumped his fWAR by 2.5 points though. He's now on pace for the best single year of baseball played in the history of the game.
Base running gaffe that you might see in Little League too. MVPete!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 23, 2026, 09:12:36 AMAs soon as I saw where the ball was hit, I knew we'd have a futile PCA leap. When he injures himself doing one of those, I wonder what the reaction will be
A bonus +1 of FWAR?
I do enjoy that he's the living embodiment of the Major League line about needing a rocket to catch that one.
I also will be very nervous anytime he steps to the plate facing the Brewers.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on August 23, 2026, 09:12:53 AMBase running gaffe that you might see in Little League too. MVPete!
Not like they ended up needing that run!
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 23, 2026, 11:11:47 AMI do enjoy that he's the living embodiment of the Major League line about needing a rocket to catch that one.
I also will be very nervous anytime he steps to the plate facing the Brewers.
He has a K rate of 57% against them this year. One hit in 21 ABs
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 23, 2026, 12:30:04 PMNot like they ended up needing that run!
😂
Think that was a lead off double he wasted
Mariners are 5-3 in their last 8 games. Two of the losses were by 22-0 and 19-2 scores. Hilarious.
EDIT to add a couple dopey pieces of minutiae ...
++ Bryce Miller was Seattle's starting pitcher in both losses, allowing 12 runs (11 earned) in 9 total innings. Miller, who pitched well last postseason, began this season on the IL. After he returned, he was one of MLB's best pitchers (1.71 ERA) for two months. But in four August starts, he has been a disaster - 21 runs (20 earned) on 22 hits, with 18 strikeouts against 12 walks (20 innings pitched) for a 9.00 ERA - and could lose his spot in the rotation.
++ CF Julio Rodriguez, who had a stellar May but has been awful since, made boneheaded mistakes in each loss. In the 22-0 game, he forgot how many outs there were and threw a live baseball into the stands, costing the Mariners a run. And in the 19-2 game, he was tossing a baseball into the crowd well after Jose Ferrer ran out of warmup pitches, and Ferrer had to start the inning with a 1-0 count.
It's been an entertaining Little League World Series so far.
The team from Alabama's best player is a girl, Kinley Rasmus, who pitches, plays shortstop and hits line drives. She's already broken or tied a bunch of girls' LLWS records, but she's simply one of the best players in this year's event. Her team rallied from a 5-0 deficit to win today.
Her father, Cory, was a former first-round pick who pitched in parts of four MLB seasons. And her uncle, Colby, was a long-time big-league outfielder who hit 166 HR.
There have been lots of other excellent players and exciting games, too. Canada's extra-inning win over Panama today was epic. ESPN does a darn good job presenting the tournament.
Saw Kinley catch that comebacker line drive, then pivot to first to double up the kid who was a few steps off the bag. That double play really changed the game. Fun to watch the young ones play the game.
It's fun to laugh at PCA. He seems like a clown and he has lots of silly moments.
But, he is actually going to win MVP. He's awesome.
Speaking of Little League ... that was quite a play by the Brewers' third baseman to lose the game.
EDIT: I didn't watch the game so I only found out after reading The Athletic this morning that the above-mentioned 3B, David Hamilton, was only in the game because Murphy had benched Cooper Pratt for not running out a pop-up that ended up falling in for a hit.
Good on Murphy. And good on Pratt, too, for saying all the right things after the game:
"There is no excuse. I should've run hard no matter if it's foul or fair, if it's an out. I should've been busting my butt to get to second base. Some of the guys pulled me aside and let me know, 'Hey, this is how we do it here,' and I know that. It won't happen again."
I don't think Pratt did anything that bad. He looked up for less than a second to spot the ball and took off. That hesitation wasn't laziness. Even with no hesitation he wasn't getting to second base.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 26, 2026, 12:16:52 PMI don't think Pratt did anything that bad. He looked up for less than a second to spot the ball and took off. That hesitation wasn't laziness. Even with no hesitation he wasn't getting to second base.
He definitely jogged down the baseline. Whether he'd have made it to second, we'll never know, but the fact he didn't run made it impossible.
And it compounded his earlier inability to get down a bunt.
Quote from: MU82 on August 25, 2026, 09:17:53 PMSpeaking of Little League ... that was quite a play by the Brewers' third baseman to lose the game.
EDIT: I didn't watch the game so I only found out after reading The Athletic this morning that the above-mentioned 3B, David Hamilton, was only in the game because Murphy had benched Cooper Pratt for not running out a pop-up that ended up falling in for a hit.
Good on Murphy. And good on Pratt, too, for saying all the right things after the game:
"There is no excuse. I should've run hard no matter if it's foul or fair, if it's an out. I should've been busting my butt to get to second base. Some of the guys pulled me aside and let me know, 'Hey, this is how we do it here,' and I know that. It won't happen again."
Benefit of playing 162 games. I think Joey gets the out at home in the 10th so this move potentially cost them the game. But if it saves a game down the line, it's worth the trade off
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 26, 2026, 12:51:52 PMBenefit of playing 162 games. I think Joey gets the out at home in the 10th so this move potentially cost them the game. But if it saves a game down the line, it's worth the trade off
Agree 100%.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 26, 2026, 12:41:54 PMHe definitely jogged down the baseline. Whether he'd have made it to second, we'll never know, but the fact he didn't run made it impossible.
And it compounded his earlier inability to get down a bunt.
He's caught in a rundown if he runs to second out of the box.
https://x.com/bigbobscards/status/2092578580278431746?s=46
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 26, 2026, 04:41:37 PMHe's caught in a rundown if he runs to second out of the box.
https://x.com/bigbobscards/status/2092578580278431746?s=46
If you want to call that lack of hustle; on the MLB scale, I'd say about 3 out of 100. Maybe the Brewers have sky high standards. If so, good for them.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 26, 2026, 04:41:37 PMHe's caught in a rundown if he runs to second out of the box.
https://x.com/bigbobscards/status/2092578580278431746?s=46
Alas, I find myself in disagreement with no less of an expert than @BigBobsCards.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 26, 2026, 05:13:30 PMAlas, I find myself in disagreement with no less of an expert than @BigBobsCards.
Ditto.
Pratt jogged all the way to first base. He now says he won't make that mistake again.
Not sure why anyone would object to the way Murphy handled it.
Quote from: MU82 on August 26, 2026, 05:41:05 PMDitto.
Pratt jogged all the way to first base. He now says he won't make that mistake again.
Not sure why anyone would object to the way Murphy handled it.
Brother, Brewer fans are aghast at Murphy. He may as well have punched their mothers
PCA will be a deserving MVP.
But man he's a clown of a human.
Quote from: BM1090 on August 26, 2026, 11:50:47 PMPCA will be a deserving MVP.
But man he's a clown of a human.
You know you can save a few characters by just saying MVPCA
Quote from: BM1090 on August 26, 2026, 11:50:47 PMPCA will be a deserving MVP.
But man he's a clown of a human.
It was a bizarre response.
I'll be honest. If I was a star in Chicago at his age, I'd probably be a tool too.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 27, 2026, 07:58:00 AMI'll be honest. If I was a star in Chicago at his age, I'd probably be a tool too.
It's the Wrigley piss fume effect.
Very similar to leaded gas causing violence in the 70s.
Quote from: BM1090 on August 26, 2026, 11:50:47 PMPCA will be a deserving MVP.
But man he's a clown of a human.
i always that that's what the C stood for.
The Whit Sox's season is officially a success. 70 wins was unthinkable 5 months ago. Maybe Cleveland will win the Central and the Sox miss the wildcard, but as a Sox fan I am calling 2026 a win regardless of what happens from here on out.
My apologies to Getz. His resume was not GM caliber, but he has done well. I was wrong.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 27, 2026, 08:14:28 AMIt's the Wrigley piss fume effect.
Very similar to leaded gas causing violence in the 70s.
Like lead paint and boomers.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 27, 2026, 08:14:28 AMIt's the Wrigley piss fume effect.
Very similar to leaded gas causing violence in the 70s.
Working in constant urine fumes will make someone be a little off above the neck.
In the history of baseball, only two players have had a five-game run in which they've had 10+ hits, a home run in each game, multiple other extra-base hits, multiple walks and at least one stolen base.
Babe Ruth
Tristan Peters
Andrew Fischer with 42 homers now. I'm very confident that he could roll over ground balls to the 2B in every at bat just as well as Yeli will do come Playoff time. Might as well throw Fischer in at DH and he can run into 1 or 2 every series.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 28, 2026, 09:20:52 AMAndrew Fischer with 42 homers now. I'm very confident that he could roll over ground balls to the 2B in every at bat just as well as Yeli will do come Playoff time. Might as well throw Fischer in at DH and he can run into 1 or 2 every series.
Can't ground into double plays if you're striking out, either
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 28, 2026, 09:38:33 AMCan't ground into double plays if you're striking out, either
That too.
The Brewers are 85-51. I'm no baseball expert, but that's not too bad.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 29, 2026, 09:01:33 PMThe Brewers are 85-51. I'm no baseball expert, but that's not too bad.
It is possible I overreacted a bit after the Padres series.
Yelich is starting to produce now too.
The BetMGM Blog lists Pat Murphy of the Milwaukee Brewers as the favorite to win the 2026 National League Manager of the Year award at +325.
Quote from: Jockey on August 31, 2026, 02:03:34 PMThe BetMGM Blog lists Pat Murphy of the Milwaukee Brewers as the favorite to win the 2026 National League Manager of the Year award at +325.
Would be very deserving.
The White Sox acquired the player best equipped at destroying the joy of a clubhouse and fanbase enjoying an otherwise resplendent season.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 31, 2026, 03:52:59 PMThe White Sox acquired the player best equipped at destroying the joy of a clubhouse and fanbase enjoying an otherwise resplendent season.
Trevor Bauer?
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 31, 2026, 03:52:59 PMThe White Sox acquired the player best equipped at destroying the joy of a clubhouse and fanbase enjoying an otherwise resplendent season.
Pham still plays baseball? Who knew?
I'm going to hope the ground ball pitcher is pitching really well and that's why the Brewers can't score on a night the ball is flying...
One of the best owners in sports (sorry, St. Louis) replacing one of the worst.
@espn
Breaking: Stan Kroenke & Kroenke Sports and Entertainment have entered into a definitive agreement to acquire a controlling interest in the Los Angeles Angels from Arte Moreno.
Kroenke will now own controlling interests in the Rams (NFL), Angels (MLB), Nuggets (NBA), Avalanche (NHL) and Arsenal.
https://x.com/espn/status/2094857883661832336?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on September 01, 2026, 02:44:06 PMKroenke will now own controlling interests in the Rams (NFL), Angels (MLB), Nuggets (NBA), Avalanche (NHL) and Arsenal.
All of whom have won titles in the last five or so years....obviously with the exception of the Angels.
Last night's game was more enjoyable in my opinion.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 02, 2026, 08:20:39 AMLast night's game was more enjoyable in my opinion.
The Brewers responded pretty well after being shellacked and getting down 3 runs early yesterday. Ortiz has been a very valuable player for Milwaukee. If Yelich does anything in the playoffs they could be in business. I get the concern about not getting the long ball, but they have enough to get the job done imo.
Brewers haven't won the first game of a road series since the beginning of July. They're well adapted to those losses.
The Detroit Tigers have reached a $4 million deal ... with a 12-year-old.
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/report-detroit-tigers-reach-eye-014531138.html
Quote from: Pakuni on September 02, 2026, 11:06:38 AMThe Detroit Tigers have reached a $4 million deal ... with a 12-year-old.
https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/report-detroit-tigers-reach-eye-014531138.html
That should be in the Doom thread.
Feel like the mvp should hit better vs the division rival
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 02, 2026, 11:53:16 AMFeel like the mvp should hit better vs the division rival
He saves his energy for the moments that really matter, like deep home runs that only he can catch
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 02, 2026, 12:19:08 PMHe saves his energy for the moments that really matter, like deep home runs that only he can catch
I almost fell over that he didn't leap once last night. Smart. Save that energy for October
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2026, 12:22:28 PMI almost fell over that he didn't leap once last night. Smart. Save that energy for October
Used all his energy throwing his bat at the dugout after challenging a ball six inches inside the zone
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 02, 2026, 11:53:16 AMFeel like the mvp should hit better vs the division rival
Hey now. He got a hit off Andrew Vaughn.
PCAss vs. the Brewers. MVPete against everyone else.
PCDouche against the Brewers and everyone else.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 02, 2026, 04:52:44 PMHey now. He got a hit off Andrew Vaughn.
It would have been a wild thing if he got a hit off of Ricky Vaughn
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 02, 2026, 12:19:08 PMHe saves his energy for the moments that really matter, like deep home runs that only he can catch
The Wrigley baskets limit his ability jump above the wall.
Arte Moreno ran the Angels into the ground and made like a 2,000% profit.
Huh
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2026, 07:45:41 PMArte Moreno ran the Angels into the ground and made like a 2,000% profit.
Huh
Can't let Mexican Americans succeed?
The only way PCA can get a hit off the Brewers is a grounder that bounces so high not even he could jump and get it
Knock the Miz all over the place ... and still can't beat the Brewers.
Sounds like AmFam South down there too.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 02, 2026, 07:58:58 PMCan't let Mexican Americans succeed?
In Muggsy's America? No.
Look out, White Trash, Pablo coming for the Dodgers billionaire owner.
https://youtu.be/YBvdMVY7LW4?si=kcaJL7K5VAoJM_1C
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 04, 2026, 07:27:14 AMLook out, White Trash, Pablo coming for the Dodgers billionaire owner.
https://youtu.be/YBvdMVY7LW4?si=kcaJL7K5VAoJM_1C
Go get'em Pablo!
@Dish, we need a White Sox representative. Who are you nominating? Peters? Vargas?
Blackhawks are covered with Bedard who was unable to make it.
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nice of the bears to put their stink on the cubs in September
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 04, 2026, 12:47:03 PMnice of the bears to put their stink on the cubs in September
But they won the game Caleb was at.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 04, 2026, 12:58:52 PMBut they won the game Caleb was at.
A good stink takes a couple of days to take hold. ;D
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 04, 2026, 01:01:52 PMA good stink takes a couple of days to take hold. ;D
Disappointed in the lack of "Green Bay Sucks" chants at a Cubs game at AmFam South
The place has more of a County Stadium vibe than AmFam
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 04, 2026, 12:38:03 PM@Dish, we need a White Sox representative. Who are you nominating? Peters? Vargas?
Blackhawks are covered with Bedard who was unable to make it.
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Between Caleb Williams and Tyrese Haliburton, Indiana was well represented!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 04, 2026, 12:38:03 PM@Dish, we need a White Sox representative. Who are you nominating? Peters? Vargas?
Blackhawks are covered with Bedard who was unable to make it.
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Reinsdorf would require LaRussa.
My hot take would be Caleb Bonemer, but obviously he's not in Chicago yet.
I know that we're in the death rattle era of human umps, but could they be any more their own worst enemy? Good lord.
Quote from: Dish on September 05, 2026, 12:26:57 PMReinsdorf would require LaRussa.
My hot take would be Caleb Bonemer, but obviously he's not in Chicago yet.
That's a scorcher. Not sure he makes it to Chicago long-term. (Not because of a lack of talent).
Quote from: MUBurrow on September 05, 2026, 04:23:14 PMI know that we're in the death rattle era of human umps, but could they be any more their own worst enemy? Good lord.
Real Cardinals fans support Doug Eddings. They want to see the game played the right way.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2026, 04:58:56 PMThat's a scorcher. Not sure he makes it to Chicago long-term. (Not because of a lack of talent).
Hit #36 tonight. I think he debuts late next season.
Quote from: Dish on September 05, 2026, 07:40:36 PMHit #36 tonight. I think he debuts late next season.
I think if the Sox want to acquire a frontline starter this winter - and they absolutely ought to - he's the asset that's going to have to go in return.
They aren't moving Roch, and Carlson won't be enough to get a legit high-end starter.
I don't think they're going to move proven 30-homer guys (Vargas/Colson) to make room for a potential 30-homer guy, either. So, Bonemar would have to move to the OF. They could try to move Meidroth or Antonacci to make LF available, but neither of those guys is going go get you the same return you'd get for Bonemar.
If they can go get a Reid Detmers or similar starter with some control for Bonemar, I think it's something they'd have to do.
Of course, that's all predicated on there being a season next year.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 05, 2026, 10:12:56 PMI think if the Sox want to acquire a frontline starter this winter - and they absolutely ought to - he's the asset that's going to have to go in return.
They aren't moving Roch, and Carlson won't be enough to get a legit high-end starter.
I don't think they're going to move proven 30-homer guys (Vargas/Colson) to make room for a potential 30-homer guy, either. So, Bonemar would have to move to the OF. They could try to move Meidroth or Antonacci to make LF available, but neither of those guys is going go get you the same return you'd get for Bonemar.
If they can go get a Reid Detmers or similar starter with some control for Bonemar, I think it's something they'd have to do.
Of course, that's all predicated on there being a season next year.
Bonemer has been playing CF in Birmingham the last two weeks.
Obviously don't disagree that they need a high end starter, but I just don't see them trading Bonemer. He won't even turn 21 for another month.
Quote from: Dish on September 05, 2026, 10:33:34 PMBonemer has been playing CF in Birmingham the last two weeks.
Obviously don't disagree that they need a high end starter, but I just don't see them trading Bonemer. He won't even turn 21 for another month.
Yeah, he's been playing CF in Birmingham, but seems to be little chance he's a CF in the majors.
I don't disagree that he's a great prospect, but they're not getting a top-of-the rotation guy with control for scraps.
The race for the #1 seed in the NL is tightening up. It should be a fun few weeks for the remaining portion of the regular season. Bad news for the Dodgers is that they lose any tie breaker with the Brewers and the Braves based on head to head match ups. Therefore, they need to be a game better than the competition in order to take the top spot. That's a tall order this season.
Defense wins games.
Having a decent closer would be nice.
That was a heck of a catch by Lara for the Brewers.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 07, 2026, 08:47:15 PMThat was a heck of a catch by Lara for the Brewers.
PCA would have caught it standing on top of the wall with his feet
Fly the L!
The Brewers have spoken. 9 games up on the Cubs.
Holy crap. That Chourio hr was absolutely tattooed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 08, 2026, 10:13:01 PMHoly crap. That Chourio hr was absolutely tattooed.
Thank god he pulled it to left and didn't go up the middle. PCA would've caught that.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2026, 10:22:35 PMThank god he pulled it to left and didn't go up the middle. PCA would've caught that.
I thought that was still in PCA's range. 75% of the world is covered by water and the other 25% by PCA.
I love how PCA lives rent free in Brewer's fans heads.
I do not love having the worst pitching WAR in baseball.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 09, 2026, 08:15:32 AMI love how PCA lives rent free in Brewer's fans heads.
I do not love having the worst pitching WAR in baseball.
I love how the Brewers love rent free in Cub's fans heads.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 09, 2026, 08:15:32 AMI love how PCA lives rent free in Brewer's fans heads.
This is not at all how i would describe it.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 09, 2026, 08:42:23 AMThis is not at all how i would describe it.
Really? You guys have as many if not more posts about PCA than your own team in this thread.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 09, 2026, 08:52:10 AMReally? You guys have as many if not more posts about PCA than your own team in this thread.
He's a clown who does a lot of clown things that are very easy to make fun of.
To be fair, he has toned down the clownish stuff the second half of the season and is a deserved MVP candidate.
But for TT to claim that it's a "rent free" thing is pretty lol-worthy.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 09, 2026, 09:06:30 AMTo be fair, he has toned down the clownish stuff the second half of the season and is a deserved MVP candidate.
But for TT to claim that it's a "rent free" thing is pretty lol-worthy.
He's a great player and foil. He's the antithesis of Yadier Molina who wasn't good and was miserable all the time. PCA is fun.
And Cubs fans get mad when you poke fun at him.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 09, 2026, 10:37:27 AMHe's a great player and foil. He's the antithesis of Yadier Molina who wasn't good and was miserable all the time. PCA is fun.
And Cubs fans get mad when you poke fun at him.
Not mad at all. I love it. Crappy players don't get that kind of attention from other teams.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 09, 2026, 08:52:10 AMReally? You guys have as many if not more posts about PCA than your own team in this thread.
The next time Garrett Mitchell leaps for a 470-' HR. I will make fun off him too.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 09, 2026, 09:06:30 AMTo be fair, he has toned down the clownish stuff the second half of the season and is a deserved MVP candidate.
But for TT to claim that it's a "rent free" thing is pretty lol-worthy.
Disagree. But he deserves the MVP and will win it.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 09, 2026, 12:37:20 PMDisagree. But he deserves the MVP and will win it.
He definitely has. First half he botched routine fly balls, forgot how many outs there were and allowed an inside the park HR. Prior to that, he made cartoonish jumps at the wall in the postseason.
He's been on an absolute tear and deserves credit for that, and part of that is being less of a toolbag
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 09, 2026, 12:43:00 PMHe definitely has. First half he botched routine fly balls, forgot how many outs there were and allowed an inside the park HR. Prior to that, he made cartoonish jumps at the wall in the postseason.
He's been on an absolute tear and deserves credit for that, and part of that is being less of a toolbag
He's still had some clown moments in the 2nd half (personality, not play) but you're right. If he hadn't had the first half incidents, I'd probably view his 2nd half behavior a little differently.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 09, 2026, 08:15:32 AMI love how PCA lives rent free in Brewer's fans heads.
I do not love having the worst pitching WAR in baseball.
Almost as rent free as the Packers live in Cubs' (and Sox's) fans heads?
I'm just glad PCA wanted to see a lot of fastballs from Miz two starts against the Cubs ago, and last night he came up trying to bunt against him. 1/15 with 11 Ks is solid, I can see why he'd want to face a lot of Miz's fastballs.
It'll be crazy when the Cubs finish the season with these WAR finishes:
Hitting #1
Defense #1
Pitching #30
Also not out of the realm of possibility where both Chicago baseball teams miss the playoffs (although the Padres/Diamondbacks series to end the season theoretically should help the Cubs).
Quote from: Dish on September 09, 2026, 03:46:38 PMIt'll be crazy when the Cubs finish the season with these WAR finishes:
Hitting #1
Defense #1
Pitching #30
Also not out of the realm of possibility where both Chicago baseball teams miss the playoffs (although the Padres/Diamondbacks series to end the season theoretically should help the Cubs).
The rot starts at the top.
To win this year, the bullpen needed vast improvement. So they signed...... Phil Maton.
Maybe PCA should smile more
https://x.com/JoRy_MaMa/status/2097843446505447558?s=20
Quote from: wadesworld on September 09, 2026, 09:11:27 PMhttps://x.com/JoRy_MaMa/status/2097843446505447558?s=20
Clay Holmes was the one I wanted anyways.
Brandon Sproat returns in midseason form
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 09, 2026, 09:28:25 PMBrandon Sproat returns in midseason form
The Peralta trade hasn't really worked out for anyone.
Quote from: Dish on September 09, 2026, 03:46:38 PMIt'll be crazy when the Cubs finish the season with these WAR finishes:
Hitting #1
Defense #1
Pitching #30
Also not out of the realm of possibility where both Chicago baseball teams miss the playoffs (although the Padres/Diamondbacks series to end the season theoretically should help the Cubs).
As bad as the pitching has been, it would have somehow been even worse if not for the defense behind them.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 09, 2026, 09:36:24 PMThe Peralta trade hasn't really worked out for anyone.
Maybe not yet. But Sproat and Jett Williams are still very young and will have several years to make an impact. Peralta definitely didn't work out for the Mets, but they did flip him for 3 prospects from the Rays in July. Time will tell if any of them are worth anything.
I feel like the league leader in errors at center field shouldn't be the mvp...
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2026, 04:32:13 PMI feel like the league leader in errors at center field shouldn't be the mvp...
When you're jumping for balls that are 50 feet over the wall, you're bound to make "errors" on plays that your regular center fielder doesn't even attempt to make.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 10, 2026, 05:22:29 PMWhen you're jumping for balls that are 50 feet over the wall, you're bound to make "errors" on plays that your regular center fielder doesn't even attempt to make.
When he catches one of those, you'll have to eat these words!
Quote from: wadesworld on September 10, 2026, 05:22:29 PMWhen you're jumping for balls that are 50 feet over the wall, you're bound to make "errors" on plays that your regular center fielder doesn't even attempt to make.
He's so fast that routine errors are because normal players would have fielded them cleanly a second later
I hope Miz breaks his leg. Good guy, he's going to do well for this game. But everyone always says we hope everyone stays healthy. No I hope he breaks his femur.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 10, 2026, 10:44:58 PMI hope Miz breaks his leg. Good guy, he's going to do well for this game. But everyone always says we hope everyone stays healthy. No I hope he breaks his femur.
Jesus dude. Did we make one too many PCA jokes?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 10, 2026, 10:59:22 PMJesus dude. Did we make one too many PCA jokes?
Today was more about Matt Shaw jokes
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2026, 12:40:13 AMToday was more about Matt Shaw jokes
Nice that MLB gave him the day off today so he didn't have to skip games.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 11, 2026, 07:02:13 AMNice that MLB gave him the day off today so he didn't have to skip games.
He was the one yelling "shoot them" in Dallas last night
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 10, 2026, 10:44:58 PMI hope Miz breaks his leg. Good guy, he's going to do well for this game. But everyone always says we hope everyone stays healthy. No I hope he breaks his femur.
I'm just hoping he yells at female fans to "suck my f'ing dick, biotch!" fWAR would jump to the point Sale couldn't catch him for the Cy Young.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 10, 2026, 10:44:58 PMI hope Miz breaks his leg. Good guy, he's going to do well for this game. But everyone always says we hope everyone stays healthy. No I hope he breaks his femur.
Shoot, my bad. I misquoted Pat Murphy who said that about PCA.
https://x.com/katefoxsports/status/2098209762428981284?s=46
he was clearly joking, ya mope
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 11, 2026, 08:11:06 AMhe was clearly joking, ya mope
As was I. I know Pat Murphy doesn't actually want a player to break his leg.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2026, 08:47:33 AMAs was I. I know Pat Murphy doesn't actually want a player to break his leg.
Yeah she deleted it because I'm sure it was being taken out of context.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2026, 07:37:34 AMShoot, my bad. I misquoted Pat Murphy who said that about PCA.
https://x.com/katefoxsports/status/2098209762428981284?s=46
Not to call the University of Wisconsin Volleyball in-game host with about 1K followers a liar, but I googled your quote and her tweet is the only source I'm seeing, and she has since deleted it. I think you may have been duped.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 11, 2026, 09:49:46 AMNot to call the University of Wisconsin Volleyball in-game host with about 1K followers a liar, but I googled your quote and her tweet is the only source I'm seeing, and she has since deleted it. I think you may have been duped.
She reported throughout the event. Her other tweets from the event are still up.
She deleted it after this guy suggested it wasn't a great idea to post that:
https://x.com/2ndhandsmokejon/status/2098240323432419637?s=46
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2026, 10:08:22 AMShe reported throughout the event. Her other tweets from the event are still up.
She deleted it after this guy suggested it wasn't a great idea to post that:
https://x.com/2ndhandsmokejon/status/2098240323432419637?s=46
This doesn't change my opinion about the veracity of the tweet. Maybe it's accurate, maybe it's not. It certainly was presented without proper context and wasn't the gotcha you were going for.
Good for Murph for making a Brewers crowd laugh.
He was wishing him good luck. Millenials don't even know what "break a leg means" anymore. This is why Matt Shaw and I agree decency is dead
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 11, 2026, 08:11:06 AMhe was clearly joking, ya mope
I'd also go as far to say he's joking in large part because he actually really likes PCA, as a pure player and as a rival personality. Which seems like the kind of dude/personality Murphy is.
I'm admittedly biased and realize he's a firebrand who is easy to hate as a rival fan, but he seems like a well liked guy within the league and off the field. The Caleb Williams/Matas Buzelis/Caleb Love friend support group is well publicized, but hes joking and chatty with during the game with guys, both on the Brewers and elsewhere.
The Sox outfield outburst wasn't a big deal to me personally, hardly unique in the realm of athlete/fan trash talk interactions, but I can see how it was a bad look and in a vacuum makes PCA look like a hotheaded tool. Outside of that, he's always come off well in media and off the field. Brash, overly confident, and cocky? Absolutely. But he's also a 24 year old MVP candidate in a top 3 media market.
I also am not bothered at all by Brewers fans disliking him, that's entirely natural. You don't get disliked by a rival unless you're really damn good or uniquely detestable like Brad Davidson. Giannis is about as universally liked and affable as a superstar could be, and there are still people who can't stand him cause he doesn't play for their team.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 11, 2026, 10:36:55 AMThis doesn't change my opinion about the veracity of the tweet. Maybe it's accurate, maybe it's not. It certainly was presented without proper context and wasn't the gotcha you were going for.
You really think she just made up a quote in the middle of other coverage of the event? It's ok he said that. I know he's joking.
You are correct, I did want to see what responses I would get and they didn't disappoint. Gotta say, I didn't expect Matt Shaw to get sniped.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2026, 12:26:58 PMGotta say, I didn't expect Matt Shaw to get sniped.
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2026, 12:26:58 PMGotta say, I didn't expect Matt Shaw to get sniped.
If this was intentional, bravo
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 11, 2026, 02:54:42 PMIf this was intentional, bravo
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The Cubs do pretty well when they don't have to play the Brewers.
Tristan Peters crazy rookie season just got crazier. Just drew a walk on an 18-pitch at bat, tied for fifth longest in MLB history.
Yamamoto pitched another gem for the Dodgers tonight. And, the Miz had another good outing for the Brewers. Could be a preview of what we see in October. It would be great to see these two go head to head with a trip to the WS on the line.
The Sox can fire Will Venable, please.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 15, 2026, 08:39:18 PMYamamoto pitched another gem for the Dodgers tonight. And, the Miz had another good outing for the Brewers. Could be a preview of what we see in October. It would be great to see these two go head to head with a trip to the WS on the line.
Brewers look like they will clinch the pennant tonight.
Congrats to the Milwaukee Brewers.
But they took a picture with the L flag after they ended the Cubs' season and were forever cursed.
You mean clinch the division?
They should get the #1 seed for the playoffs. Maybe win 100 games. They're having a great year.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 15, 2026, 09:54:57 PMThey should get the #1 seed for the playoffs. Maybe win 100 games. They're having a great year.
From what I've seen, there might be some concern regarding who will be the 3rd starting pitcher. The lefty that came back from injury hasn't been the same for Milwaukee. That said, I think Milwaukee, LA, and Atlanta are really good. I'm not sure there's a clear team with a major advantage.
I like the 1-2-3 punch of Yamamoto, Skubal, and Snell for the Dodgers. Three solid starters for an extended series should be helpful. Their problem is they still don't have a solid closer. Not good going into the playoffs.
Quote from: Dish on September 15, 2026, 08:42:00 PMThe Sox can fire Will Venable, please.
If they do, Dan Wilson will be available for the Sox to hire.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 15, 2026, 09:39:11 PMBut they took a picture with the L flag after they ended the Cubs' season and were forever cursed.
wElL tHaT's BeCaUsE tHeY uSeD tHe WrOnG fLaG
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2026, 10:10:27 PMFrom what I've seen, there might be some concern regarding who will be the 3rd starting pitcher. The lefty that came back from injury hasn't been the same for Milwaukee. That said, I think Milwaukee, LA, and Atlanta are really good. I'm not sure there's a clear team with a major advantage.
It'll be Mis, Henderson, May, and bullpen games. May is either awesome or bad so he's not a bad guy to have in a playoff rotation. Just need to have the balls to pull him early if he's getting hit around in the first or second inning.
Gasser is probably the next guy up at this point. Won't give much length but has been giving a solid 5 innings for the most part since July.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2026, 10:10:27 PMFrom what I've seen, there might be some concern regarding who will be the 3rd starting pitcher. The lefty that came back from injury hasn't been the same for Milwaukee. That said, I think Milwaukee, LA, and Atlanta are really good. I'm not sure there's a clear team with a major advantage.
The Dodgers put cruise control on during the regular season and still have the 2nd best record in baseball and a chance at the 1 seed. They're clearly the favorites to win the World Series, let alone come out of the NL.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 16, 2026, 05:51:46 AMwElL tHaT's BeCaUsE tHeY uSeD tHe WrOnG fLaG
They also don't have the league leader in Fwar which supersedes all
Firmly in the 'what if' speculation column....
Detroit is going to have a weekend long send off to Verlander next weekend, celebrating his career. The hope is that he will be able to go out and pitch a couple of innings and get the rousing g send off from the crowd as he walks off the mound last time. This is IF his hamstring which has kept him hamstrung 5 months allows him to do so.
Detroit is on a little bit of a heater right now. And it will take a series of miracles for them to have a shot next weekend. IF they stay hot and have a shot, can they take a pitcher off the roster for the weekend to clear a spot for JV and can they give him his moment if there is still a chance at the playoffs?
Quote from: tower912 on September 16, 2026, 12:30:05 PMFirmly in the 'what if' speculation column....
Detroit is going to have a weekend long send off to Verlander next weekend, celebrating his career. The hope is that he will be able to go out and pitch a couple of innings and get the rousing g send off from the crowd as he walks off the mound last time. This is IF his hamstring which has kept him hamstrung 5 months allows him to do so.
Detroit is on a little bit of a heater right now. And it will take a series of miracles for them to have a shot next weekend. IF they stay hot and have a shot, can they take a pitcher off the roster for the weekend to clear a spot for JV and can they give him his moment if there is still a chance at the playoffs?
Playoffs?!?!? lol
The Brewers have to make the most of this opportunity. 4 straight division titles. Best record in baseball. Probable #1 seed in the playoffs. Probable winner of 100 games. These things don't happen very often, so they gotta take this opportunity and make the most of it. It's kind of like when MU earned a #2 seed in 2023 and 2024. To have the real chance to make a deep run and not take advantage of it really hurt. Like a gut punch. Let's hope the Brew Crew does more with this opportunity in the upcoming playoffs.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 16, 2026, 01:48:36 PMThe Brewers have to make the most of this opportunity. 4 straight division titles. Best record in baseball. Probable #1 seed in the playoffs. Probable winner of 100 games. These things don't happen very often, so they gotta take this opportunity and make the most of it. It's kind of like when MU earned a #2 seed in 2023 and 2024. To have the real chance to make a deep run and not take advantage of it really hurt. Like a gut punch. Let's hope the Brew Crew does more with this opportunity in the upcoming playoffs.
It sucks it coincides with this version of the Dodgers. If last year and this year was going up against the 2018 Dodgers they'd have a chance. This version? Making the NLCS is making "the most" of it.
The only advantage the Brewers have over the Dodgers is the bullpen.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 16, 2026, 01:58:18 PMIt sucks it coincides with this version of the Dodgers. If last year and this year was going up against the 2018 Dodgers they'd have a chance. This version? Making the NLCS is making "the most" of it.
The only advantage the Brewers have over the Dodgers is the bullpen.
They could beat the Dodgers this year. Longshot? Of course. Offenses are a lot closer to equal than they were last year. Rotation will always be a Dodgers big advantage, but the Brewers have two starters better than their number one last year and Ohtani is out. Bullpen big advantage to the Brewers.
Ohtani, Freeman and Muncy are the only regulars with an OPS over .800. Chourio, Ortiz, Turang, Bauers, and Contreras have all taken anywhere from huge to medium steps up from last year. That all matters.
I wouldn't bet on the Brewers and all 6 NL playoff teams will be a real threat. But this year feels a lot closer to 2018 than 2025, IMO.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 16, 2026, 01:48:36 PMThe Brewers have to make the most of this opportunity. 4 straight division titles. Best record in baseball. Probable #1 seed in the playoffs. Probable winner of 100 games. These things don't happen very often, so they gotta take this opportunity and make the most of it. It's kind of like when MU earned a #2 seed in 2023 and 2024. To have the real chance to make a deep run and not take advantage of it really hurt. Like a gut punch. Let's hope the Brew Crew does more with this opportunity in the upcoming playoffs.
I'm sure the players and manager will do everything they can. But management hurt the Brewers' chances when they not only didn't trade for Skubal but, in the process, let the Dodgers get him.
A rotation topped by Miz, Skubal and Henderson would have made the Crew the clear and deserving favorite; instead, they have to hope they can scratch out 4 wins against the Skubal-led L.A. rotation (or at least keep games close until they can get to the Dodgers' bullpen).
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2026, 03:23:48 PMI'm sure the players and manager will do everything they can. But management hurt the Brewers' chances when they not only didn't trade for Skubal but, in the process, let the Dodgers get him.
A rotation topped by Miz, Skubal and Henderson would have made the Crew the clear and deserving favorite; instead, they have to hope they can scratch out 4 wins against the Skubal-led L.A. rotation (or at least keep games close until they can get to the Dodgers' bullpen).
The Tigers were (allegedly) requiring Henderson came back in the return from the Brewers.
I much more worried about the Brewers bats going ice cold than our starting pitching.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 16, 2026, 04:12:47 PMI much more worried about the Brewers bats going ice cold than our starting pitching.
I'd be a little less worried about that if the Brewers didn't have to face Skubal (because he was in the Milwaukee rotation).
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2026, 05:57:08 PMI'd be a little less worried about that if the Brewers didn't have to face Skubal (because he was in the Milwaukee rotation).
If they truly wanted Henderson, no chance you do the trade. Too young, too good, too controllable. And still would have left the brewers without a third good postseason starter
The Brewers just won their 95th game. They're a very easy team to like, hopefully they reach the promised land.
If not this year, then when? They gotta do everything they can to win it this year.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 16, 2026, 10:53:06 PMIf not this year, the when? They gotta do everything they can to win it this year.
They are still a pretty young team with a stocked Minor League system.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 16, 2026, 10:53:06 PMIf not this year, the when?
Next year? It's not like they're losing anyone and the minor league system is loaded.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on September 16, 2026, 10:53:06 PMIf not this year, the when? They gotta do everything they can to win it this year.
I'm honestly curious, is there something they are not doing or you don't think they will do in the future?
I'm certain they will do everything in their power to win it all this season. I'm also certain that they won't be betting favorites to win it all once October arrives. Hopefully they can beat the odds.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 17, 2026, 06:23:53 AMNext year? It's not like they're losing anyone and the minor league system is loaded.
They're almost certainly losing Bauers who is having a transcendent year dating back to the end of last year. Maybe it's a prolonged heater but it feels like something flipped.
But this team is set up to compete for a really long time.
This year does feel more like 18. They have 2 legitimate top end starting pitchers , which is one more than last year. Their offense is still highly ranked but their OPS is higher and of late, they are hitting more HRs. Their best players might just be 'peaking at the right time'
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 17, 2026, 10:45:19 AMThey're almost certainly losing Bauers who is having a transcendent year dating back to the end of last year. Maybe it's a prolonged heater but it feels like something flipped.
But this team is set up to compete for a really long time.
This year does feel more like 18. They have 2 legitimate top end starting pitchers , which is one more than last year. Their offense is still highly ranked but their OPS is higher and of late, they are hitting more HRs. Their best players might just be 'peaking at the right time'
Bauers could theoretically be back. How his market is will be interesting. I could see a Rhys Hopkins like 2-year deal for him.
That said, Burke and Adams should get a long look next spring.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 17, 2026, 10:45:19 AMThey're almost certainly losing Bauers who is having a transcendent year dating back to the end of last year. Maybe it's a prolonged heater but it feels like something flipped.
But this team is set up to compete for a really long time.
This year does feel more like 18. They have 2 legitimate top end starting pitchers , which is one more than last year. Their offense is still highly ranked but their OPS is higher and of late, they are hitting more HRs. Their best players might just be 'peaking at the right time'
I'm a little more confident than last year. Last year, I feel some of it was them just going on an insane heater for a stretch. This team is just consistently good.
It's wild to me that they haven't had a winning streak of more than 5 games.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2026, 11:12:51 AMBauers could theoretically be back. How his market is will be interesting. I could see a Rhys Hopkins like 2-year deal for him.
That said, Burke and Adams should get a long look next spring.
He's getting the Gary Trent contract.
Kyle Harrison is trying his very hardest to not make the postseason roster.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 17, 2026, 01:58:24 PMKyle Harrison is trying his very hardest to not make the postseason roster.
It has been quite a fall off.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 17, 2026, 02:10:29 PMIt has been quite a fall off.
He won't be on the roster. Velocity was back today but no movement on the fastball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2026, 02:15:12 PMHe won't be on the roster. Velocity was back today but no movement on the fastball
I think you go Miz/Henderson/May or possibly a bullpen game for the third.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 17, 2026, 03:52:36 PMI think you go Miz/Henderson/May or possibly a bullpen game for the third.
May may actually be a bullpen game. Leash will be very short if he isn't sharp early.
Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2026, 04:06:34 PMMay may actually be a bullpen game. Leash will be very short if he isn't sharp early.
Damn near every post-season game are bullpen games now
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2026, 02:15:12 PMHe won't be on the roster. Velocity was back today but no movement on the fastball
Agreed. I think when Williams is done with his rehab outing, Harrison is the one to get sent down. They'll need to cut one more for October. I assume it will be Stallings, but Senzatela hasn't don't much to earn a postseason spot since coming onboard.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 17, 2026, 04:36:24 PMAgreed. I think when Williams is done with his rehab outing, Harrison is the one to get sent down. They'll need to cut one more for October. I assume it will be Stallings, but Senzatela hasn't don't much to earn a postseason spot since coming onboard.
Going to guess we see a fair amount of Stallings in the next week. He's been interesting the last few outings where they may give him a looksy
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 17, 2026, 04:36:24 PMAgreed. I think when Williams is done with his rehab outing, Harrison is the one to get sent down. They'll need to cut one more for October. I assume it will be Stallings, but Senzatela hasn't don't much to earn a postseason spot since coming onboard.
Williams???
Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2026, 10:43:44 PMWilliams???
I don't even follow the hornets but somehow got grant Anderson mixed up with grant Williams
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 17, 2026, 11:01:48 PMI don't even follow the hornets but somehow got grant Anderson mixed up with grant Williams
I kinda guessed you meant Anderson. Just wanted to make sure you weren't advocating for Wilson.
97 wins. Ties a club record. These guys are amazing and fun to watch.
The Brewers are 98-58.
Am I allowed to be having fun yet now that the white Sox clinched the playoffs before the cubs did
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 24, 2026, 03:53:05 PMAm I allowed to be having fun yet now that the white Sox clinched the playoffs before the cubs did
Yes.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 24, 2026, 03:53:05 PMAm I allowed to be having fun yet now that the white Sox clinched the playoffs before the cubs did
No. When they get eliminated, it'll feel better to say, "I told you so"
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 24, 2026, 03:53:05 PMAm I allowed to be having fun yet now that the white Sox clinched the playoffs before the cubs did
One guy in my MU hoops text chain is a Cubs fan and another is a Sox fan. They were trash-talking over who would clinch first. The Sox guy was giddy when his team beat the Cubs by 30 seconds.
Quote from: MU82 on September 24, 2026, 04:47:22 PMOne guy in my MU hoops text chain is a Cubs fan and another is a Sox fan. They were trash-talking over who would clinch first. The Sox guy was giddy when his team beat the Cubs by 30 seconds.
That it what the Pope wanted.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 24, 2026, 05:06:33 PMThat it what the Pope wanted.
What does Kentucky basketball have to do with it?
Congratulations, White Sox fans. Particularly those who enjoyed watching the growth during the 2025 season.
Shoutout to that gatekeeping dork 18th street whatever and all my fellow southside scoopers #strokin
Just got to Coors Field for the first time (Rockies lost 12-8 to AZ). Nice ballpark.
My list of ballparks I've yet to visit now includes only the newest ones:
Yankees
Mets
Rangers
Braves
Nationals
Marlins
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on September 24, 2026, 05:27:11 PMShoutout to that gatekeeping dork 18th street whatever and all my fellow southside scoopers #strokin
You just got JayBee overly excited with that hashtag.
I booked a work trip to KC a month ago, hoping today's game would mean something. Ended up getting a seat four rows behind the Sox dugout for $22.
Maybe the most satisfying sporting event I've been at in person. Baseball is such a grind of a season and when your team is $hitty, it really makes for a long summer.
This feels great, I'm so happy right now.
Quote from: Dish on September 24, 2026, 06:33:41 PMI booked a work trip to KC a month ago, hoping today's game would mean something. Ended up getting a seat four rows behind the Sox dugout for $22.
Maybe the most satisfying sporting event I've been at in person. Baseball is such a grind of a season and when your team is $hitty, it really makes for a long summer.
This feels great, I'm so happy right now.
If you have time for it, highly recommend Westside Local in KC for dinner. Always an awesome meal.
Quote from: MU82 on September 24, 2026, 05:28:16 PMJust got to Coors Field for the first time (Rockies lost 12-8 to AZ). Nice ballpark.
My list of ballparks I've yet to visit now includes only the newest ones:
Yankees
Mets
Rangers
Braves
Nationals
Marlins
Despite the team, coors field is a great spot
Quote from: MU82 on September 24, 2026, 05:28:16 PMJust got to Coors Field for the first time (Rockies lost 12-8 to AZ). Nice ballpark.
My list of ballparks I've yet to visit now includes only the newest ones:
Yankees
Mets
Rangers
Braves
Nationals
Marlins
What would your rankings of the ones you've been to be?
Quote from: Dish on September 24, 2026, 06:33:41 PMI booked a work trip to KC a month ago, hoping today's game would mean something. Ended up getting a seat four rows behind the Sox dugout for $22.
Maybe the most satisfying sporting event I've been at in person. Baseball is such a grind of a season and when your team is $hitty, it really makes for a long summer.
This feels great, I'm so happy right now.
A great season for the Sox and the fans. But a remarkable baseball story, I believe the first team to have a winning record after 3 straight 100+ loss seasons.
It was interesting than a recent ESPN season awards prediction, didn't mention Venable as an AL Manager of the Year. Maybe I'm a homer, but he seems like a candidate.
As someone that has seen a lot of lean years, 100 wins is amazing regardless of what happens next month. What a fun team
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 24, 2026, 08:19:00 PMAs someone that has seen a lot of lean years, 100 wins is amazing regardless of what happens next month. What a fun team
Correct. I don't see how they make the WS with this version of the Dodgers out there but I've been enjoying the hell out of these years. Might be a loser mentality, but with the financial restraints in baseball and with baseball unlike basketball where a singular talent can make you a title contender, the Brewers being the second best organization in baseball for a multi year run is truly incredible.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 24, 2026, 09:39:53 PMCorrect. I don't see how they make the WS with this version of the Dodgers out there but I've been enjoying the hell out of these years. Might be a loser mentality, but with the financial restraints in baseball and with baseball unlike basketball where a singular talent can make you a title contender, the Brewers being the second best organization in baseball for a multi year run is truly incredible.
They absolutely can beat the Dodgers.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 24, 2026, 07:18:59 PMWhat would your rankings of the ones you've been to be?
I'll do a top 5:
Pirates
Orioles
Padres
Dodgers
Twins
Also really like Brewers; Royals and Angels are underrated; I think Tigers and Mariners did a nice job; I loved the previous Yankee Stadium back when I was a fan during the Bronx Zoo years; Giants is fun; Coors is nice. And shoot me - I like smelly Wrigley and Fenway, dumps that they are.
I've heard that Camden Yards is badly in need of work; when I was there, it was awesome.
The White Sox, Astros, Guardians, or Rangers will be in the ALCS
Quote from: BM1090 on September 24, 2026, 11:57:00 PMThe White Sox, Astros, Guardians, or Rangers will be in the ALCS
You can't quite say that definitively yet.
If the Cubs sweep the Red Sox, the Guardians go 2-1 at the Royals, and the White Sox sweep the Rockies, then the Guardians would be the 5th seed and the Red Sox would be the 6th seed. While unlikely for all three to happen, none of those results individually would be that crazy.
I know athletes don't think this way, but if I were the Red Sox, I'd punt the games against the Cubs until the White Sox lose or the Guardians lose twice.
Eight of the nine players the White Sox sent into the field for a clinching game yesterday have less than two years of MLB service time. The ninth is in year three.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 24, 2026, 08:08:03 PMA great season for the Sox and the fans. But a remarkable baseball story, I believe the first team to have a winning record after 3 straight 100+ loss seasons.
It was interesting than a recent ESPN season awards prediction, didn't mention Venable as an AL Manager of the Year. Maybe I'm a homer, but he seems like a candidate.
I think it's a dead heat between Cash & Venable.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 25, 2026, 09:56:53 AMYou can't quite say that definitively yet.
If the Cubs sweep the Red Sox, the Guardians go 2-1 at the Royals, and the White Sox sweep the Rockies, then the Guardians would be the 5th seed and the Red Sox would be the 6th seed. While unlikely for all three to happen, none of those results individually would be that crazy.
I know athletes don't think this way, but if I were the Red Sox, I'd punt the games against the Cubs until the White Sox lose or the Guardians lose twice.
You're right. I didn't realize the Guardians and Red Sox still played each other. Unlikely to happen, but not definitive.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 25, 2026, 09:56:53 AMYou can't quite say that definitively yet.
If the Cubs sweep the Red Sox, the Guardians go 2-1 at the Royals, and the White Sox sweep the Rockies, then the Guardians would be the 5th seed and the Red Sox would be the 6th seed. While unlikely for all three to happen, none of those results individually would be that crazy.
I know athletes don't think this way, but if I were the Red Sox, I'd punt the games against the Cubs until the White Sox lose or the Guardians lose twice.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 25, 2026, 10:57:07 AMYou're right. I didn't realize the Guardians and Red Sox still played each other. Unlikely to happen, but not definitive.
Now you can definitively say that. Red Sox win and have locked in the privilege of facing the Yankees followed by the Rays instead of facing whatever schmuck wins the AL West followed by the slightly superior schmuck that wins the AL Central.
So the Cubs and Red Sox, after playing a double header today, are heading to the Trop to finish their series. The Sox will have to fly back to New York while the Cubs are looking likely to have to fly to San Diego.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 25, 2026, 03:40:48 PMSo the Cubs and Red Sox, after playing a double header today, are heading to the Trop to finish their series. The Sox will have to fly back to New York while the Cubs are looking likely to have to fly to San Diego.
I'm sure Craig loves this.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 25, 2026, 03:51:16 PMI'm sure Craig loves this.
All he had to do was win the division and it wouldn't be an issue!
Quote from: Jockey on September 25, 2026, 10:45:41 AMI think it's a dead heat between Cash & Venable.
I just think Venable should be a candidate. Cash's team has been great, so he's very deserving.
My ballpark rankings list below (have not been to Toronto, St. Louis, Atlanta, and I'm not acknowledging the vagabond A's)
Rankings take into account sightlines/location/neighborhood/food/history/vibe/local people interaction
1. San Diego - Darn near perfect, totally fits downtown San Diego, walkable from many hotels, great food options, love it there.
2. Seattle - Terrific location, good sightlines, best team store of any MLB park (Too many seafood options however for my liking)
3. Pittsburgh - Uniquely fits the city, probably the team sucking as much as it has takes some points away.
4. Minnesota - Great downtown location, I like that the design embraces the Twin Cities (some parks miss this)
5. Colorado - With how big of a field it is, it really offers great views from everywhere. Great location.
6. Baltimore - I don't think it's aging as much as others think, the outfield concourse is arguably one of the best in baseball
7/8 Wrigley/Fenway - I'm going to group them together here. Seeing a game at either place is an experience, no question. The amenities/comforts in stadium leave a lot to be desired. Food at both places is not great.
9. San Francisco - Was there this summer (fifth time there) and Oracle is showing it's age. Food has gotten worse, the concourses are in dire need of an update. This park just doesn't hit like it used to.
10. Dodgers - I wanted to put it higher, I've seen a game there each year the last 4 years and I might just be getting Dodger fatigue. Dodger Dog is the worst hot dog of any MLB park.
11. Cincy - I may be in the minority here, but I really enjoy this place. I think Cincy as a whole is underrated as a city, I like how this place doesn't feel like other ballparks.
12. Detroit - Showing it's age a bit, but the box seat area has a nice design to it that gives better views than some other parks on this list. Revitalized downtown Detroit helps here too (people are also incredibly nice).
13. Kansas City - I really wanted to put this higher, maybe the nicest ushers/concession/fans on this list. I mean this as a compliment, it feels like a minor league ballpark. Bonus points for the centerfield scoreboard embracing the team. Oddly, the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere helps a bit here, I have never left a MLB ballpark faster/easier than here. Food/concourses need major rehab work though, like it's dire when you walk in.
14. White Sox - This is obviously a homer pick. Food is great, sightlines downstairs are solid. Options in the neighborhood lacking. I'll never smell grilled onions and not think of this place.
15/16 - Philly/DC - I'm grouping these together, which may not be fair, but they're both fine. I can't decide if their locations help or hurt them. I wish both parks leaned harder into the fabric of their respective cities.
17. Milwaukee - Of the retractable roof/domed stadiums, it leans in more to the city than any of the others. Food is good, I'm not a big tailgater so that probably hurts in my rankings. Location is meh/bad.
18. Citi Field - It's fine, another place that I wish leaned more into the city, being in Queens is either good or bad (depending on if you're coming from LI or the City). Concourse structure here always felt a little off.
19. Yankee Stadium - Sitting in lower reserved seats close to the field, the park feels incredibly intimate (in a good way), but sitting anywhere else, it's meh. The "charm" of Old Yankee Stadium is here in the Bronx, I've always felt the Yankees really missed the mark when creating this ballpark. Food/Team Store has left a lot to be desired.
20. Houston - It's unique in it's own way, I don't enjoy the city of Houston, so probably dinged this ranking for that. The quirks that were built into this park have made it always feel weird. Wayyyy too many ads all over this place.
21. Texas - Of the stadium experiences in this part of the rankings, I enjoyed my time here, but you can't get past that you feel like you're in an airport hangar. The sound here is weird because of the size of the place. Outfield config always felt off too.
22. Cleveland - Always feel like I'm on top of the field here, I think that's by design in what they were trying to accomplish with the field boxes (they were the first team to design this way). The Jake has shown some age, I wouldn't argue though if someone thought it should be a few spots higher.
23. Tampa - I thought originally this would be last, and while it's not great, I give them credit for being innovative on the concourse level. Rays really give a lot to offer on the concourse, from Tampa/St. Pete stuff to baseball history.
24. Arizona - I don't hate this place, I'm just never enthused to return there. There's just not much to it, everything is meh (parking/food/vibes).
25. Anaheim - Dud, although I thought the food was better than most places near the bottom of this list. The rock formation in person just makes no sense.
26. Miami - I didn't know what to expect and this place blew me away how bad it is. To get to the team store, you have to leave the park and get a pass to get back in. The neighborhood is just terrible, there's zero soul to this place, the concourse to seats is a crazy long walk.
Well done, Dish.
It occurred to me that the Brewers are not only 101-59, they essentially lost 3 starting pitchers if you include what's happened to Harrison. I totally forgot about Priester and Woodruff. I get anything can happen in the playoffs, but it's absolutely incredible what the Brewers have done. Tremendous organization.
Quote from: Dish on September 25, 2026, 04:39:31 PMMy ballpark rankings list below (have not been to Toronto, St. Louis, Atlanta, and I'm not acknowledging the vagabond A's)
Rankings take into account sightlines/location/neighborhood/food/history/vibe/local people interaction
1. San Diego - Darn near perfect, totally fits downtown San Diego, walkable from many hotels, great food options, love it there.
2. Seattle - Terrific location, good sightlines, best team store of any MLB park (Too many seafood options however for my liking)
3. Pittsburgh - Uniquely fits the city, probably the team sucking as much as it has takes some points away.
4. Minnesota - Great downtown location, I like that the design embraces the Twin Cities (some parks miss this)
5. Colorado - With how big of a field it is, it really offers great views from everywhere. Great location.
6. Baltimore - I don't think it's aging as much as others think, the outfield concourse is arguably one of the best in baseball
7/8 Wrigley/Fenway - I'm going to group them together here. Seeing a game at either place is an experience, no question. The amenities/comforts in stadium leave a lot to be desired. Food at both places is not great.
9. San Francisco - Was there this summer (fifth time there) and Oracle is showing it's age. Food has gotten worse, the concourses are in dire need of an update. This park just doesn't hit like it used to.
10. Dodgers - I wanted to put it higher, I've seen a game there each year the last 4 years and I might just be getting Dodger fatigue. Dodger Dog is the worst hot dog of any MLB park.
11. Cincy - I may be in the minority here, but I really enjoy this place. I think Cincy as a whole is underrated as a city, I like how this place doesn't feel like other ballparks.
12. Detroit - Showing it's age a bit, but the box seat area has a nice design to it that gives better views than some other parks on this list. Revitalized downtown Detroit helps here too (people are also incredibly nice).
13. Kansas City - I really wanted to put this higher, maybe the nicest ushers/concession/fans on this list. I mean this as a compliment, it feels like a minor league ballpark. Bonus points for the centerfield scoreboard embracing the team. Oddly, the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere helps a bit here, I have never left a MLB ballpark faster/easier than here. Food/concourses need major rehab work though, like it's dire when you walk in.
14. White Sox - This is obviously a homer pick. Food is great, sightlines downstairs are solid. Options in the neighborhood lacking. I'll never smell grilled onions and not think of this place.
15/16 - Philly/DC - I'm grouping these together, which may not be fair, but they're both fine. I can't decide if their locations help or hurt them. I wish both parks leaned harder into the fabric of their respective cities.
17. Milwaukee - Of the retractable roof/domed stadiums, it leans in more to the city than any of the others. Food is good, I'm not a big tailgater so that probably hurts in my rankings. Location is meh/bad.
18. Citi Field - It's fine, another place that I wish leaned more into the city, being in Queens is either good or bad (depending on if you're coming from LI or the City). Concourse structure here always felt a little off.
19. Yankee Stadium - Sitting in lower reserved seats close to the field, the park feels incredibly intimate (in a good way), but sitting anywhere else, it's meh. The "charm" of Old Yankee Stadium is here in the Bronx, I've always felt the Yankees really missed the mark when creating this ballpark. Food/Team Store has left a lot to be desired.
20. Houston - It's unique in it's own way, I don't enjoy the city of Houston, so probably dinged this ranking for that. The quirks that were built into this park have made it always feel weird. Wayyyy too many ads all over this place.
21. Texas - Of the stadium experiences in this part of the rankings, I enjoyed my time here, but you can't get past that you feel like you're in an airport hangar. The sound here is weird because of the size of the place. Outfield config always felt off too.
22. Cleveland - Always feel like I'm on top of the field here, I think that's by design in what they were trying to accomplish with the field boxes (they were the first team to design this way). The Jake has shown some age, I wouldn't argue though if someone thought it should be a few spots higher.
23. Tampa - I thought originally this would be last, and while it's not great, I give them credit for being innovative on the concourse level. Rays really give a lot to offer on the concourse, from Tampa/St. Pete stuff to baseball history.
24. Arizona - I don't hate this place, I'm just never enthused to return there. There's just not much to it, everything is meh (parking/food/vibes).
25. Anaheim - Dud, although I thought the food was better than most places near the bottom of this list. The rock formation in person just makes no sense.
26. Miami - I didn't know what to expect and this place blew me away how bad it is. To get to the team store, you have to leave the park and get a pass to get back in. The neighborhood is just terrible, there's zero soul to this place, the concourse to seats is a crazy long walk.
I have often wondered why the Twins new ballpark does not have a roof. Of any team in MLB that one should have a roof.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 27, 2026, 08:17:11 AMI have often wondered why the Twins new ballpark does not have a roof. Of any team in MLB that one should have a roof.
Cost. They struggled to even get THAT one built. It is a really nice park though.
The Cubs blew the opportunity to host the WC.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 27, 2026, 11:24:05 AMThe Cubs blew the opportunity to host the WC.
And will be heading to the playoffs fresh off a road trip that took them from Chicago to Boston to Tampa to San Diego in a five day timeframe.
Which means they'll win in a 2-0 sweep of course.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 27, 2026, 11:46:39 AMAnd will be heading to the playoffs fresh off a road trip that took them from Chicago to Boston to Tampa to San Diego in a five day timeframe.
Which means they'll win in a 2-0 sweep of course.
Or, next best thing, it'll give Cubbie fans a mega-excuse.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 27, 2026, 11:46:39 AMAnd will be heading to the playoffs fresh off a road trip that took them from Chicago to Boston to Tampa to San Diego in a five day timeframe.
Which means they'll win in a 2-0 sweep of course.
I think I'd rather play the Cubs if I was the Brewers.
I have never liked the WC but get it from a $ standpoint. I would change it and also the Division Series. The WC should be best of 5, but with all 5 games at the higher seed's park. The Division Series should definitely be best of 7.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 27, 2026, 12:44:42 PMI have never liked the WC but get it from a $ standpoint. I would change it and also the Division Series. The WC should be best of 5, but with all 5 games at the higher seed's park. The Division Series should definitely be best of 7.
You already have teams sitting a week. Sitting a week and a half would be problematic. Furthermore you can already run into bad weather toward the end of the playoffs in northern cities. No need to extend that further.
Ideally you would end the season right around Labor Day, but that's never going to happen either.
Maybe make the WC round best-of-9, all at the better team's park. Then have the next round best-of-13. An Xmas World Series would be fun, and there's no way it would tax any team's pitching.
Quote from: MU82 on September 27, 2026, 04:54:07 PMMaybe make the WC round best-of-9, all at the better team's park. Then have the next round best-of-13. An Xmas World Series would be fun, and there's no way it would tax any team's pitching.
I will not forget you mocked me. And in essence the entire DDF. I would tread very, very, lightly if was in your position.
Quote from: MU82 on September 27, 2026, 04:54:07 PMMaybe make the WC round best-of-9, all at the better team's park. Then have the next round best-of-13. An Xmas World Series would be fun, and there's no way it would tax any team's pitching.
The NFL is taking Christmas Day from the NBA, MLB should one up the NFL. Also, the Final Four should be a 4th of July tradition.
All-time season by Miz. Probably one of the 5 greatest ever. Compares favorably to Pedro back about 25 years ago.
Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2026, 05:53:46 PMAll-time season by Miz. Probably one of the 5 greatest ever. Compares favorably to Pedro back about 25 years ago.
What about Sandy Koufax?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 27, 2026, 05:56:37 PMWhat about Sandy Koufax?
'63 would be a top 5 season even though he had the benefit of a higher pitching mound.
Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2026, 05:59:24 PM'63 would be a top 5 season even though he had the benefit of a higher pitching mound.
They also pitched complete games in that era. But the mound height is fair to point out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 27, 2026, 06:00:37 PMThey also pitched complete games in that era. But the mound height is fair to point out.
The mound was 1 Muggsy taller back then
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 27, 2026, 06:00:25 PMKoufax was overrated
He was banging Nancy Pelosi at the time. Strange how no one talks about that.
Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2026, 05:53:46 PMAll-time season by Miz. Probably one of the 5 greatest ever. Compares favorably to Pedro back about 25 years ago.
Recently? Yes. Top 5 ever? Let's calm down over there.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 27, 2026, 06:15:28 PMThe mound was 1 Muggsy taller back then
doesnt seem very impactful.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 27, 2026, 07:35:24 PMdoesnt seem very impactful.
One of these days we will have a Gulliver/Lilliputian situation. The breadth of it will be not be one giant residing near a small amount of land, but include those that have mocked, bessmirched, or disparaged our smaller citizens. There will be nowhere to run, hide, or find a scintilla of safety. The measures taken, will make the movie Taken, seem like an episode of Seasame Street. :)
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 27, 2026, 07:17:06 PMRecently? Yes. Top 5 ever? Let's calm down over there.
Ever.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 27, 2026, 07:55:15 PMOne of these days we will have a Gulliver/Lilliputian situation. The breadth of it will be not be one giant residing near a small amount of land, but include those that have mocked, bessmirched, or disparaged our smaller citizens. There will be nowhere to run, hide, or find a scintilla of safety. The measures taken, will make the movie Taken, seem like an episode of Seasame Street. :)
Sounds like there's another house fly stuck in the blinds
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 27, 2026, 07:55:15 PMOne of these days we will have a Gulliver/Lilliputian situation. The breadth of it will be not be one giant residing near a small amount of land, but include those that have mocked, bessmirched, or disparaged our smaller citizens. There will be nowhere to run, hide, or find a scintilla of safety. The measures taken, will make the movie Taken, seem like an episode of Seasame Street. :)
I can just hide up high.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 27, 2026, 09:07:18 PMSurely he led in pitching WAR then
Mea culpa.
Obviously the guy with the higher ERA (by over a run), and the guy whose WHIP is substantially higher, and the guy who gives up more hits is better.
And Don Mattingly should be Manager of the year as well.
Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2026, 10:38:23 PMMea culpa.
Obviously the guy with the higher ERA (by over a run), and the guy whose WHIP is substantially higher, and the guy who gives up more hits is better.
And Don Mattingly should be Manager of the year as well.
Rock bottom BABIP (elite defensive support), massively high strikeout rates league wide vs rest of modern era, pitched 42 less innings than 2000 Pedro.
If you adjust for these factors he benefits massively from lower volume.
Best pitcher in baseball? Yes. and top 25 season? Sure I can buy it. But you're comparing with a massive handicap of season long arm fatigue for everyone else.
Just like all modern basketball records suffer from load management impacts, Miz does too.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 28, 2026, 12:13:07 AMRock bottom BABIP (elite defensive support), massively high strikeout rates league wide vs rest of modern era, pitched 42 less innings than 2000 Pedro.
If you adjust for these factors he benefits massively from lower volume.
Best pitcher in baseball? Yes. and top 25 season? Sure I can buy it. But you're comparing with a massive handicap of season long arm fatigue for everyone else.
Just like all modern basketball records suffer from load management impacts, Miz does too.
The BABIP stat is bogus in this case. Yes the Brewers obviously have a better defense, but BABIP will always be higher for a pitcher that gives up harder contact. Nobody could square up up against Miz - he gave up only 24 extra base hits all year.
Not to mention he obliterated the record for lowest BA allowed ever.
From The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal:
MLB's message on the new CBA won't change, even if the Rays or Brewers win the whole thing. ... Here's the thing about all the agita related to the Dodgers, competitive balance and the 2026 postseason: No outcome this October will change the calculus for the owners.
Even if the small-market Brewers, Rays or Guardians win the World Series, the league will continue its push for a salary cap, contending the sport lacks sufficient parity and is effectively broken.
Not all that long ago, the league was making precisely the opposite argument. Its public-relations department, in news releases prior to the 2021 and 2022 seasons, described competitive balance as a "hallmark" of MLB.
Let's be clear: Revenue disparity between large- and small-market clubs is a legitimate concern. The league and players' union need to adopt significant measures to make the playing field more level. But the league's argument for greater competitive balance, if not a red herring, is at least an argument of convenience. And not a particularly strong one, if you watched the regular season.
The Brewers finished with the best record in the National League. The Rays produced the best record in the American League. And the Guardians became the third small-market team to earn one of four first-round byes. Perhaps the Guardians were undeserving, considering their record was only the 11th-best in the majors. But by finishing with the second-best mark among AL division winners, they clinched the bye under the postseason format the league and union created.
So, is the sport really that far gone?
The league's news release in '22 noted that MLB produced 15 different World Series champions in the prior 21 seasons. The Rangers in 2023 made it 16. And prior to the 2024 World Series, commissioner Rob Manfred told The Athletic, "our record on competitive balance is darn good."
Just two years later, to hear commissioner Manfred and company tell it, the sport is in the midst of an existential crisis. All because the league's highest-revenue team, the Dodgers, won back-to-back World Series. All because the owners want to build their case for a cap.
In the day's least-surprising news, the Mariners fired Dan Wilson.
I'm pretty pissed. MLB history is filled with teams getting a spark by firing the manager in-season. The Mariners might have been able to prevent this total train wreck if they had canned Wilson on, say, Aug. 12, when they lost their 6th straight game to fall 9 games under .500 after leading the weak-azz division for most of the season. But instead, they just let the crud continue unabated. Might not have made a shred of difference, but we'll never know.
Quote from: MU82 on September 28, 2026, 11:01:52 AMFrom The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal:
MLB's message on the new CBA won't change, even if the Rays or Brewers win the whole thing. ... Here's the thing about all the agita related to the Dodgers, competitive balance and the 2026 postseason: No outcome this October will change the calculus for the owners.
Even if the small-market Brewers, Rays or Guardians win the World Series, the league will continue its push for a salary cap, contending the sport lacks sufficient parity and is effectively broken.
Not all that long ago, the league was making precisely the opposite argument. Its public-relations department, in news releases prior to the 2021 and 2022 seasons, described competitive balance as a "hallmark" of MLB.
Let's be clear: Revenue disparity between large- and small-market clubs is a legitimate concern. The league and players' union need to adopt significant measures to make the playing field more level. But the league's argument for greater competitive balance, if not a red herring, is at least an argument of convenience. And not a particularly strong one, if you watched the regular season.
The Brewers finished with the best record in the National League. The Rays produced the best record in the American League. And the Guardians became the third small-market team to earn one of four first-round byes. Perhaps the Guardians were undeserving, considering their record was only the 11th-best in the majors. But by finishing with the second-best mark among AL division winners, they clinched the bye under the postseason format the league and union created.
So, is the sport really that far gone?
The league's news release in '22 noted that MLB produced 15 different World Series champions in the prior 21 seasons. The Rangers in 2023 made it 16. And prior to the 2024 World Series, commissioner Rob Manfred told The Athletic, "our record on competitive balance is darn good."
Just two years later, to hear commissioner Manfred and company tell it, the sport is in the midst of an existential crisis. All because the league's highest-revenue team, the Dodgers, won back-to-back World Series. All because the owners want to build their case for a cap.
If the overwhelming betting favorites live up to the billing this year, the Dodgers will have won 4 of the last 7 WS titles and will go into next season as the far and away favorites to win their 5th in 8 years.
Quote from: MU82 on September 24, 2026, 05:28:16 PMJust got to Coors Field for the first time (Rockies lost 12-8 to AZ). Nice ballpark.
My list of ballparks I've yet to visit now includes only the newest ones:
Yankees
Mets
Rangers
Braves
Nationals
Marlins
Nice, I'm down to
Rockies
D-backs
Rangers
Astros
I'm retiring in the spring and plan to celebrate by knocking off the last four on a single trip.
Though I look at it as teams I've seen play at home. I haven't seen the current parks in
Minnesota and Miami.
I'm not going to worry about those two unless I have another reason to go to those cities, which is unlikely. They'll be two expansion teams to worry about soon enough, I expect.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 28, 2026, 11:49:54 AMIf the overwhelming betting favorites live up to the billing this year, the Dodgers will have won 4 of the last 7 WS titles and will go into next season as the far and away favorites to win their 5th in 8 years.
If. We'll see!
Does only the champion determine "competitive balance"?
If so, there was no competitive balance from 1996-2000. And yet somehow MLB not only survived but thrived (and in a balanced way) for the next 20 years despite no salary cap.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 27, 2026, 01:12:07 PMYou already have teams sitting a week. Sitting a week and a half would be problematic. Furthermore you can already run into bad weather toward the end of the playoffs in northern cities. No need to extend that further.
Ideally you would end the season right around Labor Day, but that's never going to happen either.
This is the thing, if you're going to put 40% of the teams in the playoffs, a 162 game season is too much. I would prefer they cut out the wild card round and go 4 teams per league, but that will never happen. Just like with the NCAA tournament when they expand to whatever they'll expand to, I'll watch the early rounds even though I would rather they weren't there.
Quote from: Jockey on September 27, 2026, 05:53:46 PMAll-time season by Miz. Probably one of the 5 greatest ever. Compares favorably to Pedro back about 25 years ago.
Um...no.
May compare to Pedro, but not favorably.
Pedro 1999 213.1 IP, 243 ERA+, 313 Ks, .932 WHIP, 9.8 WAR
Pedro 2000 217.0 IP, 292 ERA+, 284 Ks, .737 WHIP, 11.7 WAR
Miz 2026 174.2 IP, 232 ERA+, 252 Ks, .802 WHIP, 6.5 WAR
Pedro had 5 other seasons with higher WAR than Miz this season.
Miz's season is not one of the top 5 (or probably 50) all time because modern guys just don't pitch enough innings to be as valuable as the old guys. Pedro was basically Miz +5% and got 5 more outs per start.
Even this year:
Miz 2026 174.2 IP, 232 ERA+, 252 Ks, .802 WHIP, 6.5 WAR
Schlittler 2026 193.2 IP, 215 ERA+, 239 Ks, .919 WHIP, 7.0 WAR
Miz better rate stats, but Schlittler's 19 extra innings close the gap.
But Miz is a helluva pitcher and he may have even better seasons in his future.
Took my 4 year old son to Tropicana Field yesterday for the Cubs/Red Sox reschedule for his first baseball game. Very much got into the fact that he could just yell/chant "Go Cubs" whenever he wanted to. The fact that once out of every 4-5 times he yelled he got confused/over-excited and yelled "GO BEARSSSS" was also a standout event for everyone in our section, even the Sox fans.
I actually hadn't been to a Rays game for a few years. While it is still a dump and as poorly designed a ballpark as you will ever see, the new roof they put on after Hurricane Milton trashed the original is a significant improvement. The field/interior of the stadium is much brighter/lighter than it was before.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 28, 2026, 01:03:57 PMTook my 4 year old son to Tropicana Field yesterday for the Cubs/Red Sox reschedule for his first baseball game. Very much got into the fact that he could just yell/chant "Go Cubs" whenever he wanted to. The fact that once out of every 4-5 times he yelled he got confused/over-excited and yelled "GO BEARSSSS" was also a standout event for everyone in our section, even the Sox fans.
I actually hadn't been to a Rays game for a few years. While it is still a dump and as poorly designed a ballpark as you will ever see, the new roof they put on after Hurricane Milton trashed the original is a significant improvement. The field/interior of the stadium is much brighter/lighter than it was before.
Nice story Wags. The rings on the roof are still there, aren't they? I thought I saw earlier in the year Bogaerts hit what looked like a home run turn into a foul pop out to 3B when it hit one of those rings.
My cousin lives within walking distance of the Trop and loves that he can just decide an hour before first pitch if he feels like going to that day's game. There are always plenty of cheap tickets available, and he can sit wherever he wants. They even let you bring in your own food.
He's probably one of the very few who is sad that the team is gonna move to Tampa.
I've been to the Trop twice for games. I had fun both times. My younger daughter who tangentially follows baseball likes the Rays. The second time we went we sat next to the rays tank per my kids request and they think it was the coolest thing at a baseball game. They still joke that one of the rays purposefully splashed my wife twice during the game.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 28, 2026, 11:49:54 AMIf the overwhelming betting favorites live up to the billing this year, the Dodgers will have won 4 of the last 7 WS titles and will go into next season as the far and away favorites to win their 5th in 8 years.
If? What do you mean "if"? I was told it's a done deal!
I do think the Dodgers win it all, but the Brewers can absolutely beat them.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 28, 2026, 02:40:05 PMIf? What do you mean "if"? I was told it's a done deal!
I do think the Dodgers win it all, but the Brewers can absolutely beat them.
Dodgers played better baseball in September than they had been heading into the month. They could very well be the Yankees of 2000 who won 87 games but still won the WS. Struggled with Oakland in round 1 but coasted the rest of the playoffs.
I don't mind sports dynasties and think having a super alpha to knock off is interesting and fun. And it's been a long part of baseball history.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 28, 2026, 02:40:05 PMIf? What do you mean "if"? I was told it's a done deal!
I do think the Dodgers win it all, but the Brewers can absolutely beat them.
As a WS fan, I know the Sox have no chance, but I already grade the season as a 10 out of 10. So put me in the Brewer's bandwagon. I'd love to see it.
Quote from: Jockey on September 28, 2026, 10:45:51 AMThe BABIP stat is bogus in this case. Yes the Brewers obviously have a better defense, but BABIP will always be higher for a pitcher that gives up harder contact. Nobody could square up up against Miz - he gave up only 24 extra base hits all year.
Not to mention he obliterated the record for lowest BA allowed ever.
The lowest BA allowed is a bogus stat on this case.
The league batting average of .244 used to represent a genuinely concerning batting average. Now in the current era of high strikeouts its significance is altered.
Anyway, aside from calling a stat I don't like bogus.
My personal belief is that his statistical outliers are significantly benefitting from the era of hitting and his significantly lower workload. If you place more value on quality and average based stats he pencils out to a top 5 modern era performance. And I can see where someone can land on that line of thinking. I just tend to believe that in a sport that is notoriously dependent on your players seasonal longevity, volume of work should absolutely play a significant role in the calculus. And that puts him within top 20, but not top 5 to me.
Some people prefer I sell less items but at a higher margin. Others prefer I sell more volume at the loss of some pricing favorability. 🙏
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2026, 02:53:28 PMI don't mind sports dynasties and think having a super alpha to knock off is interesting and fun. And it's been a long part of baseball history.
The Ruth-Gehrig Yankees and DiMaggio/Gehrig Yankees and Mantle/Ford/Berra Yankees were terrible for baseball. It was so unfair to the St. Louis Browns and the Washington Senators, and fans across the nation were demanding a salary cap.
Flying to Houston right now.
LFG White Sox.
Quote from: Dish on September 29, 2026, 08:16:12 AMFlying to Houston right now.
LFG White Sox.
Safe travels, Dish, and good luck to your team. They have a very doable path to the ALCS.
Quote from: Dish on September 29, 2026, 08:16:12 AMFlying to Houston right now.
LFG White Sox.
Stand Up South...... oh, never mind. ;)
Pulling for the Sox and Brewers. LFG!
I stand with the pope.
Very surprised at The Athletic predictions for the post season.
18 out of 25 baseball experts and writers picked Milwaukee to win the National League pennant. Only 5 picked LA.
Milwaukee was also the big fave to win the WS.
Quote from: Jockey on September 29, 2026, 12:48:11 PMVery surprised at The Athletic predictions for the post season.
18 out of 25 baseball experts and writers picked Milwaukee to win the National League pennant. Only 5 picked LA.
Milwaukee was also the big fave to win the WS.
I feel some is Dodger fatigue or not wanting to pick the obvious. However, I think the Brewers are a lot better than last year and playing better too. Last year they were leaking oil a bit to the finish.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 29, 2026, 01:16:02 PMI feel some is Dodger fatigue or not wanting to pick the obvious. However, I think the Brewers are a lot better than last year and playing better too. Last year they were leaking oil a bit to the finish.
Winning 103 while never winning more than 5 in a row shows remarkable strength and consistency. Last year they were mainly fueled by two huge win streaks.
Hopefully, the Miz is ready for the big stage. The Brewers need to win every game he starts.
Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2026, 01:35:34 PMHopefully, the Miz is ready for the big stage. The Brewers need to win every game he starts.
12 innings, 7 hits, 1.50 ERA in last year's playoffs.
Also, no they don't.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 29, 2026, 04:41:07 PM12 innings, 7 hits, 1.50 ERA in last year's playoffs.
Also, no they don't.
Great stats; thanks for providing. We have different opinions on the importance of his starts, and that's OK.
Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2026, 05:02:07 PMGreat stats; thanks for providing. We have different opinions on the importance of his starts, and that's OK.
Obviously his starts are important since they provide a huge advantage, and they went 21-8 in his starts in the regular season. But Logan Henderson is an awesome #2 and they went 15-3 in his starts this year.
And if they start Gasser in game 3, they may have the pitching advantage there too.
Nice game, White Sox.
Thanks tower I am taking personal credit. I have my Sox Pope hat....
I know this isn't breaking news but Jason Benetti is excellent. Tremendous versatility as well.
He probably won't do it for nationally broadcast playoff games, but his pop culture references are sublime during regular season games.
He currently feels like a pass first PG setting up his teammates.
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2026, 07:53:58 PMHe probably won't do it for nationally broadcast playoff games, but his pop culture references are sublime during regular season games.
He currently feels like a pass first PG setting up his teammates.
The guy is absolutely fantastic. He should be doing more premiere events.
He will.
He announces MLB, NBA, NFL, UFL, college basketball, college football.
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2026, 08:19:52 PMHe will.
Well doesn't that mean some of these other broadcasters should be shoved aside?
For example, Joe Davis?
Why, just why??
PCA's vert has not been there in the 1st inning.
Padres followed the exact same script against Boyd as the Brewers in G1 of the DS last year. Dude throws strikes; swing early, swing often.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 29, 2026, 09:20:42 PMPCA's vert has not been there in the 1st inning.
the ball was too low for him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 29, 2026, 07:43:47 PMI know this isn't breaking news but Jason Benetti is excellent. Tremendous versatility as well.
He's also the nicest person you'll ever meet.
The Cubs are not having an enjoyable evening.
MVPCA so elite he doesn't get tossed for egregiously arguing strikes
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 29, 2026, 11:37:45 PMMVPCA so elite he doesn't get tossed for egregiously arguing strikes
When you're famous they let you do it.
He could stand in the middle of Michigan Ave and shoot someone and wouldn't get ejected.
Moral victory for the Cubbies: When the Padres put in a pitcher who hadn't thrown in an MLB game for about 20 years, they finally got the ball out of the infield!
Hoping the Padres start regressing to the mean soon.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 30, 2026, 09:09:48 AMHoping the Padres start regressing to the mean soon.
Hopefully they lose today and we get a 3rd game either way.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 29, 2026, 07:43:47 PMI know this isn't breaking news but Jason Benetti is excellent. Tremendous versatility as well.
Jason is awesome.
Great moment from a week or two ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1wmsnck/camera_man_roasts_benetti_after_his_nerdy_comment/
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 30, 2026, 11:39:04 AMJason is awesome.
Great moment from a week or two ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1wmsnck/camera_man_roasts_benetti_after_his_nerdy_comment/
He's a fantastically rare gem in the sense that I genuinely don't think I've ever heard a negative about Benetti, professionally or personally. There is the occasional dope on social media who criticizes him as a PBP guy, but its an extreme outlier and he's pretty much universally praised, across all sports he does. And every anecdote from people who met or worked with him is obviously sparkling.
Congrats to the CSW. Pretty remarkable turnaround.
I'm harder than a 4.136578 rated pickleball player in the men's locker room sauna
Congratulations to the White Sox and their fans.
Thank god they didn't enjoy watching the progress of the team last year and saved all their joy for this year.
Getting night game NMD levels drunk next Wednesday at the Rate. Go Sox.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 30, 2026, 07:44:54 PMThank god they didn't enjoy watching the progress of the team last year and saved all their joy for this year.
Sadly, I did enjoy some of the progress last season and now I'm numb.
PCA showing that elite plate discipline early
Sunday night, I told my two boys "you're skipping school Tuesday & Wednesday, we're going down to Houston and coming home with two victories!".
One of the greatest experiences of my life, so glad we did this.
Quote from: Dish on September 30, 2026, 09:37:20 PMSunday night, I told my two boys "you're skipping school Tuesday & Wednesday, we're going down to Houston and coming home with two victories!".
One of the greatest experiences of my life, so glad we did this.
With the Astros finishing the year 2 games under .500 including the Playoffs, are you all even allowed to enjoy this?
Awesome, Dish. Simply awesome. Now we all gotta cheer for the Sox vs. Cleveland, right?
Brewers are in trouble now. Padres didn't fly the L so they aren't cursed.
Cubs had a nice fart in the wind season.
MVPetered Out
Counsel choked.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 30, 2026, 08:08:14 PMSadly, I did enjoy some of the progress last season and now I'm numb.
You were warned. No pity for you
Not loving the padres matchup. Really the only team that kicked the brewers @$$ this year.
Every team/fanbase but one finishes the season disappointed.
SD is hot and has been so for a minute. Milwaukee has been hot all season. Should be fun to watch.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 01, 2026, 07:11:12 AMNot loving the padres matchup. Really the only team that kicked the brewers @$$ this year.
The Cubs kicked the Padres ass this season. All of the teams in the NL are good except the Cubs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 01, 2026, 08:28:31 AMThe Cubs kicked the Padres ass this season. All of the teams in the NL are good except the Cubs.
Rockies and Giants were crappy.
Quote from: Jockey on October 01, 2026, 01:09:21 AMCounsel choked.
No manager was winning with that pitching staff.
Looking back at the games when they were swept, the Brewers had a chance to win 2 out of 3. The other game was the start of the Harrison wheels falling off.
If they can get a strong start out of Miz and the bats stay hot, I'm hoping they can get a quick start and negate the Padres bullpen a bit.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2026, 08:31:12 AMRockies and Giants were crappy.
I obviously meant the playoffs. Everyone needs to settle down. The Brewers have a tremendous opportunity. It's time to step-up and shut-up all the doubters.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 01, 2026, 08:47:30 AMNo manager was winning with that pitching staff.
Their 1 run in two games, with their top 3 going 0-18, didn't exactly impress me either.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 01, 2026, 08:47:30 AMNo manager was winning with that pitching staff.
Or with his two best hitters going a combined 0-for-15 with 8 Ks.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2026, 07:15:34 AMEvery team/fanbase but one finishes the season disappointed.
Everything after 70 wins for the Sox has been 'icing on the cake' for me. ;)
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2026, 07:53:58 PMHe probably won't do it for nationally broadcast playoff games, but his pop culture references are sublime during regular season games.
He currently feels like a pass first PG setting up his teammates.
When the Sox were so bad, he was only saving grace.
What was your favorite PCA hit this postseason?
Quote from: The Sultan on October 01, 2026, 08:47:30 AMNo manager was winning with that pitching staff.
Then it would seem to be on Hoyer. He brought in Cabrera, Gausman, Holmes, Maton, etc.
I don't know that there was anything Counsell could have done with pitching, but I feel he's wound so tight in the playoffs, his teams get tight as well.
Quote from: Dish on September 30, 2026, 09:37:20 PMSunday night, I told my two boys "you're skipping school Tuesday & Wednesday, we're going down to Houston and coming home with two victories!".
One of the greatest experiences of my life, so glad we did this.
Reminiscent of when I got called to the office my senior year of HS in 2003 cause my Dad was on the phone, he told me I had to tell the neighbor that normally drove to/from to school that his mom was going to pick him up...cause he bought FF tickets in NOLA and we had a flight to Biloxi leaving in 3 hours so I had to get the hell home right now and pack. Never hesitate when it comes to memory/experience opportunities like that.
Now that the Cubs are done and I don't have to worry about battling Chicago baseball karma, I can admit it's really cool stuff for the Sox. Not having lived in Chicago for 7-8 years, my animus for Sox fans, based on a dozen trips to the South Side, has dissipated a decent amount. I'm not gonna morph into a corny "Cubs fan here, best of luck guys!!!" but I can admit it's an EXTREMELY likable team personality wise. #IAMJAPANEEEEEEESSEEE
And getting this out of a pitcher who has been hurt all year is fantastic.
https://x.com/andybehrens/status/2105476165930823770?s=46 (https://x.com/andybehrens/status/2105476165930823770?s=46)
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 01, 2026, 08:59:34 AMLooking back at the games when they were swept, the Brewers had a chance to win 2 out of 3. The other game was the start of the Harrison wheels falling off.
If they can get a strong start out of Miz and the bats stay hot, I'm hoping they can get a quick start and negate the Padres bullpen a bit.
Going to be a good series and a battle.
Quote from: Dish on September 30, 2026, 09:37:20 PMSunday night, I told my two boys "you're skipping school Tuesday & Wednesday, we're going down to Houston and coming home with two victories!".
One of the greatest experiences of my life, so glad we did this.
my kid is only 6 months but I sometime day dream about the memories like this we'll have.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 01, 2026, 08:28:31 AMThe Cubs kicked the Padres ass this season. All of the teams in the NL are good except the Cubs.
the brewers don't have MVPete.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 30, 2026, 08:08:14 PMSadly, I did enjoy some of the progress last season and now I'm numb.
I gotta wonder what happened to 18th and Wells. He just went away in March and never returned.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 01, 2026, 10:17:10 AMI don't know that there was anything Counsell could have done with pitching, but I feel he's wound so tight in the playoffs, his teams get tight as well.
I thought Counsell had a great regular season somehow getting the worst pitching staff in the history of playoff baseball to the postseason. (Top offense and defense helped in that as well.)
I do think there is something to your wound tight in the playoff theory though.
You try to win as many games as you can, and of course you want overall home-field advantage. So I'm not suggesting the Brewers should have tanked the final week or anything dopey like that.
But the Dodgers have the better path into the NLCS. It happens.
I see the team that wins Game 1 of the Wild Card round is now 19-1.
Might as well go back to the one game series and move those two games to the DS to make it a seven game series. Same number of possible games and two increase in importance.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 02, 2026, 10:15:10 AMI see the team that wins Game 1 of the Wild Card round is now 19-1.
Might as well go back to the one game series and move those two games to the DS to make it a seven game series. Same number of possible games and two increase in importance.
Disagree. Fans of the team that lose Game 1 should get a second/third chance to see their team in the playoffs. Getting swept in two games sucks, but getting bounced in a one game playoff round is really a sudden end to a long six-month season.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on October 02, 2026, 10:40:51 AMDisagree. Fans of the team that lose Game 1 should get a second/third chance to see their team in the playoffs. Getting swept in two games sucks, but getting bounced in a one game playoff round is really a sudden end to a long six-month season.
If it wasn't 19-1 to this point, I'd agree. But those two games have proven worthless so far.
Quote from: MU82 on October 01, 2026, 03:16:03 PMYou try to win as many games as you can, and of course you want overall home-field advantage. So I'm not suggesting the Brewers should have tanked the final week or anything dopey like that.
But the Dodgers have the better path into the NLCS. It happens.
It'll be nice not to have the MKE-CHI rivalry strain, but from a pure baseball perspective, this is worst-case matchup for the Brewers. The Brewers defense and pitching staff is well-positioned, and top to bottom, the Brewers have better offense, defense and pitching. But in a short series, the Padres' bullpen mitigates a lot of what the Brewers do exceedingly well.
If I'm looking for anything, it's the Brewers to play their game straight up and don't press too much early. You have to get leads and capitalize on the bulk pitchers, but if there's an area the Padres struggle with, it's throwing strikes, and the Brewers are among the best at zone discipline.
Play your game, strike with singles and doubles on base early, then trust the process.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 02, 2026, 12:48:23 PMIt'll be nice not to have the MKE-CHI rivalry strain, but from a pure baseball perspective, this is worst-case matchup for the Brewers. The Brewers defense and pitching staff is well-positioned, and top to bottom, the Brewers have better offense, defense and pitching. But in a short series, the Padres' bullpen mitigates a lot of what the Brewers do exceedingly well.
If I'm looking for anything, it's the Brewers to play their game straight up and don't press too much early. You have to get leads and capitalize on the bulk pitchers, but if there's an area the Padres struggle with, it's throwing strikes, and the Brewers are among the best at zone discipline.
Play your game, strike with singles and doubles on base early, then trust the process.
Except the Brewers bullpen had a lower ERA than San Diego's even while playing in a better hitters ballpark.
Just get ahead and avoid Mason Miller.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 02, 2026, 11:10:47 AMIf it wasn't 19-1 to this point, I'd agree. But those two games have proven worthless so far.
I thought this was interesting.
https://x.com/dead_baseball/status/2104581305182589119?s=46
I truly believe that PCA would have dominated a 31-game series.
Quote from: Jockey on October 02, 2026, 01:43:24 PMExcept the Brewers bullpen had a lower ERA than San Diego's even while playing in a better hitters ballpark.
Just get ahead and avoid Mason Miller.
He's at least been a little more human the last month of the season. That just might be me searching for optimism though.
Hopefully we can hit their starters a bit and their bullpen is pitching from behind.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 02, 2026, 01:54:05 PMI thought this was interesting.
https://x.com/dead_baseball/status/2104581305182589119?s=46
I truly believe that PCA would have dominated a 31-game series.
I'd prefer best of 33 just to be sure.
Best of 162 and the season is already over for everyone.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 02, 2026, 04:05:41 PMI'd prefer best of 33 just to be sure.
that's at least 39 home runs he'd rob.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 02, 2026, 11:10:47 AMIf it wasn't 19-1 to this point, I'd agree. But those two games have proven worthless so far.
The 20th team - the 1 that won - would disagree with you. And who knows what will happen the next 3 or 5 years?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 02, 2026, 04:26:27 PMthat's at least 39 home runs he'd rob.
His fWAR would rise by 16.9
Go Sox!!!
Just an absolutely gigantic win by the Sox. Giving themselves an opportunity to clinch in Chicago. Day off tomorrow helps them regroup the bullpen.
Awesome game.
Nice job by the White Sox. Taylor was awesome - they couldn't touch his curveball. Impressive.
As an aside, I think I would have done better than that home-player umpire. He was calling balls on pitches completely inside the zone, and calling strikes on pitches several inches outside the zone. It was the worst I've seen in many months - thankfully the ABS system was in place.
Skubal looked great today. 6 complete innings, allowed only 2 hits. And Tucker went 2-4 with an HR and a walk. Dodgers looking good, take a 1-0 lead.
How long will Tampa let Rasmussen go?
Easy choice now.
Don't have to worry about Mason Miller when you only force 7 pitches from the starter.
Terrible start for the Brewers. Need to get it together. Pronto.
This is exactly why the Brewers will not be beating the top teams in the Playoffs. Getting buys are huge for them and getting to play someone like the Cubs massive. They succeed by grinding out ABs and making starters work all season. Teams with more talent suddenly also do that come Playoff time and talent just takes over.
The idea that the Brewers prove the system isn't broken because they're a small market team that dominates dies once talent takes the same approach.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2026, 08:07:15 PMThis is exactly why the Brewers will not be beating the top teams in the Playoffs. Getting buys are huge for them and getting to play someone like the Cubs massive. They succeed by grinding out ABs and making starters work all season. Teams with more talent suddenly also do that come Playoff time and talent just takes over.
The idea that the Brewers prove the system isn't broken because they're a small market team that dominates dies once talent takes the same approach.
The best pitcher in baseball has 58 pitches and counting in the 2nd inning.
Chourio is special.
You know you're special when you outpace legendary slugger Orlando Arcia.
Has to really sting for the cub fans watching knowing pca would have picked off that chourio hr
Yelich gonna yelich
Damn. Not enough pop from Yelich there.
Fk. Nevertheless, that Chourio blast was Gargantuan.
The Padres must have 20+ foul balls?
Both teams not using the challenge well at all.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2026, 08:07:15 PMThis is exactly why the Brewers will not be beating the top teams in the Playoffs. Getting buys are huge for them and getting to play someone like the Cubs massive. They succeed by grinding out ABs and making starters work all season. Teams with more talent suddenly also do that come Playoff time and talent just takes over.
The idea that the Brewers prove the system isn't broken because they're a small market team that dominates dies once talent takes the same approach.
Chicago White Sox, Tampa Bay Rays, Cleveland Guardians all have lower payrolls than Milwaukee. Milwaukee is middle class this playoff season.
Well that was a wasted opportunity. We can look back to the bottom of the 4th if the Brewers don't win this thing. Cmon guys.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 03, 2026, 09:13:18 PMWell that was a wasted opportunity. We can look back to the bottom of the 4th if the Brewers don't win this thing. Cmon guys.
I don't know why they didn't bunt with no outs man on 2nd.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 03, 2026, 09:21:05 PMI don't know why they didn't bunt with no outs man on 2nd.
I don't think Mitchell is a very good bunter. I'm pretty anti-bunt anyways. Especially this early.
Quote from: tower912 on October 03, 2026, 09:10:49 PMChicago White Sox, Tampa Bay Rays, Cleveland Guardians all have lower payrolls than Milwaukee. Milwaukee is middle class this playoff season.
Those teams do have a chance to make a WS appearance because they don't have to go through the Dodgers and the AL stinks, but they also won't be winning the WS.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 03, 2026, 09:24:43 PMI don't think Mitchell is a very good bunter. I'm pretty anti-bunt anyways. Especially this early.
Fair enough.
This home plate ump has gotten a ton of pitches wrong.
Same thing happened in the Dodgers game. I think there were 5 calls overturned.
There we go. Nice blast by Contreras. Brewers are gonna take game 1.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 03, 2026, 10:24:51 PMThere we go. Nice blast by Contreras. Brewers are gonna take game 1.
Let's hope. Will be interested to see who they bring out for the 8th.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2026, 10:29:28 PMLet's hope. Will be interested to see who they bring out for the 8th.
Didn't like that at bat from Pratt.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 03, 2026, 10:32:07 PMDidn't like that at bat from Pratt.
Yeah that was bad. Big moment for a young kid.
Good grief. Cannot walk two guys in the 8th.
I think he went on that 3rd strike.
Megill!!!!!
The Padres have played some really good defense tonight.
Omg.
Might have been one of the craziest plays I've seen.
Quote from: forgetful on October 03, 2026, 11:06:43 PMMight have been one of the craziest plays I've seen.
Unreal. Has that ever happened before?
Routine fly out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 03, 2026, 11:08:07 PMUnteal. Has that ever happened before?
Nobody uses teal anymore
Never even considered that was a possibility in this park. I don't know how a ball hit with that trajectory could've been hit that far but it appeared to be a no doubter.
But maybe we should ask Craig Counsell if it would've been a homer in another park.
PCA would have caught that before it hit the wire
Brewers did what they had to do in order to win. The sign of a tough team. Miz a non factor and they still take game 1.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 03, 2026, 11:09:40 PMPCA would have caught that before it hit the wire
fWAR just jumped a point for the mentality.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2026, 11:09:27 PMNever even considered that was a possibility in this park. I don't know how a ball hit with that trajectory could've been hit that far but it appeared to be a no doubter.
But maybe we should ask Craig Counsell if it would've been a homer in another park.
I mean if it was a no doubter I'm not sure I've seen a homer hit that high.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 03, 2026, 11:13:18 PMI mean if it was a no doubter I'm not sure I've seen a homer hit that high.
I'm sure they all look that high to you from that angle
How did the brewers even compete with the hottest team in baseball, much less win.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 03, 2026, 11:15:49 PMI'm sure they all look that high to you from that angle
Touche.
Incredible performance by the bullpen tonight
Chourio is only 22 but already a brewers legend.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 03, 2026, 11:09:27 PMNever even considered that was a possibility in this park. I don't know how a ball hit with that trajectory could've been hit that far but it appeared to be a no doubter.
But maybe we should ask Craig Counsell if it would've been a homer in another park.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a ball hit the roof. Thank goodness for fall weather. I also feel there's a chance that hooks foul. When he hit it, I thought he was watching if it went in the seats on the foul line.
Statcast had that going 325. Trust the parabola.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 03, 2026, 11:23:51 PMI'm not sure I've ever seen a ball hit the roof. Thank goodness for fall weather. I also feel there's a chance that hooks foul. When he hit it, I thought he was watching if it went in the seats on the foul line.
Murphy said he thought the ball was definitely going foul.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 03, 2026, 11:38:15 PMStatcast had that going 325. Trust the parabola.
If you watch Churio, he wasn't racing back to the wall. Looked like he was playing a ball by the warning track.
Quote from: Jockey on October 04, 2026, 12:38:32 AMIf you watch Churio, he wasn't racing back to the wall. Looked like he was playing a ball by the warning track.
Certainly looked like it was curling too. Who knows. Take the win and don't apologize.
I don't dislike Wainwright and Pierzynski, but they sounded dopey. Amin literally read them the rule - which clearly explained that it was going to be an out - but they kept saying it was gonna be ruled a home run.
Great win by the Crew, surviving a rare rough start by the Miz. It's what real good teams do.
Both teams play on the same field with the same rules. Can't make it any fairer than that.
I am a recent bandwagon Brewer fan, so I did like the final score, but either way, that was the most exciting game of the post season. These are two really great teams.
It was nice to have Morejon throw 30 pitches in a loss and get a run on the bullpen. Hopefully we can get a good outing from Henderson today. Granted, the off day tomorrow should probably negate too much bullpen fatigue.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 03, 2026, 11:23:51 PMI'm not sure I've ever seen a ball hit the roof. Thank goodness for fall weather. I also feel there's a chance that hooks foul. When he hit it, I thought he was watching if it went in the seats on the foul line.
It happened in the 2008 playoffs against the Phillies. Craig Counsell made the catch.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/DieHardBrewersFan/posts/3519521198218649/
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 04, 2026, 04:20:57 AMBoth teams play on the same field with the same rules. Can't make it any fairer than that.
I am a recent bandwagon Brewer fan, so I did like the final score, but either way, that was the most exciting game of the post season. These are two really great teams.
Exactly right. How is this any different than the idiosyncrasies of Fenway or Houston, or the wind tunnels at Wrigley.
Padres complaining that we should use technology to determine that it was a HR when all available tech says no.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 04, 2026, 09:26:01 AMExactly right. How is this any different than the idiosyncrasies of Fenway or Houston, or the wind tunnels at Wrigley.
Not to mention the weeds they have growing on their outfield walls.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 04, 2026, 09:26:01 AMPadres complaining that we should use technology to determine that it was a HR when all available tech says no.
I know Machado is saying that, but the manager said post game "those are the rules and we play tomorrow."
Yes, the stupidity of those two declaring it a HR without knowing the rules.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2026, 01:33:10 AMI don't dislike Wainwright and Pierzynski, but they sounded dopey. Amin literally read them the rule - which clearly explained that it was going to be an out - but they kept saying it was gonna be ruled a home run.
Great win by the Crew, surviving a rare rough start by the Miz. It's what real good teams do.
No ball with that launch angle + exit velocity has ever been a HR.
Quote from: MU82 on October 04, 2026, 01:33:10 AMI don't dislike Wainwright and Pierzynski, but they sounded dopey. Amin literally read them the rule - which clearly explained that it was going to be an out - but they kept saying it was gonna be ruled a home run.
Great win by the Crew, surviving a rare rough start by the Miz. It's what real good teams do.
Im a huge Waino guy. He played with Yadi so you KNOW he gets ball and how to play the right way. If he said it should've been a HR then it should've. The cardinal way.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 04, 2026, 11:09:33 AMNo ball with that launch angle + exit velocity has ever been a HR.
That's pretty much where I stand.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 03, 2026, 11:38:15 PMStatcast had that going 325. Trust the parabola.
Was just looking at those stats. Sounds like it would have been well short, around where Churio was positioned, or tailing out of play.
So crazy play and extra drama, but likely didn't affect the game.
Padres left how many men on base last night?
Quote from: forgetful on October 04, 2026, 11:41:18 AMWas just looking at those stats. Sounds like it would have been well short, around where Churio was positioned, or tailing out of play.
So crazy play and extra drama, but likely didn't affect the game.
Yes. The Fox announcers and Padres fans have no idea what they're talking about. Chourio was fantastic both offensively and defensively. Special player.
Padres have done an incredible job of grinding down our pitchers.
Damnit. Focus!
It's early but walks will kill you. You have to give SD credit for taking some of these pitches.
You will give up a lot of walks if the umps miss multiple check swing strikeouts
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 04, 2026, 03:35:48 PMYou will give up a lot of walks if the umps miss multiple check swing strikeouts
True.
I'm sorry, but there are a number of home plate umps that are absolutely awful.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 04, 2026, 03:50:14 PMI'm sorry, but there are a number of home plate umps that are absolutely awful.
Should harpoon one like a manatee to scare the others into better calls
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 04, 2026, 03:50:14 PMI'm sorry, but there are a number of home plate umps that are absolutely awful.
They can't be held accountable for unfortunate calls they made. Slate is wiped clean.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 04, 2026, 03:56:04 PMShould harpoon one like a manatee to scare the others into better calls
A completely uncalled for and a level 5 ignominious comment. Manatees are flawless members of the animal kingdom.
Pratt CA
The Brewers need to make sone noise now. The Padres pitcher has great stuff but it's time to respond.
Playoff Turang already in peak form.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 04, 2026, 04:11:26 PMPlayoff Turang already in peak form.
Poor discipline there for sure.
What the Brewers need is a hit. Any hit.
WTF???
Not a good at bat for Turang.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 04, 2026, 04:00:46 PMA completely uncalled for and a level 5 ignominious comment. Manatees are flawless members of the animal kingdom.
They won't have any flaws left on this earth once I eradicate them with shock and awe
Brewers need some production from the top of the lineup. Tough to get the lead off man on base and the next three batters end the inning without advancing him. They can still win this game, but they need to get some production out of their better hitters.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 04, 2026, 05:08:16 PMBrewers need some production from the top of the lineup. Tough to get the lead off man on base and the next three batters end the inning without advancing him. They can still win this game, but they need to get some production out of their better hitters.
100% accurate.
Maybe the bottom of the lineup can do something here. Let's go Brew Crew!!!
Lead off batter on again. Let's do something with it this time. Let's go Yelich.
Nice catch.
Lineup decisions have been puzzling for murph today.
Matching inexplicable errors by the respective second basemen.
Turang isn't seeing the ball very well.
BAM!!!!
Brewers!!!!
Mason Who???
I f-ing love that dude
Never a doubt. :)
Hottest team in baseball, their best starter, their best reliever. How could the brewers ever possibly be expected to win this one?
Uhhhhh....it should be reiterated. Chourio is just special. 22 yrs old. Wow.
Two great games btw.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 04, 2026, 05:33:05 PMLineup decisions have been puzzling for murph today.
I'm an idiot. All hail Murph
Quote from: tower912 on October 04, 2026, 04:00:46 PMThey can't be held accountable for unfortunate calls they made. Slate is wiped clean.
Over his head
Maybe this year is different.
As a guy who isn't even a Brewers fan, I sure like that team.
They battle and battle, they are clutch, they clearly love each other, the ballpark is electric. Very fun ballclub to watch.
How about drawing 3 walks in the 9th?
Snell with a full Mis, 4 innings of one run ball.
Dodgers not looking like world beaters tonight. Did these guys win the NL West this year?
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 04, 2026, 10:08:51 PMDodgers not looking like world beaters tonight. Did these guys win the NL West this year?
True. But it's not over yet.
I stand corrected.
I have no idea how this pre-contract stuff works, but will the Brewers be able to sign Jesus Made to a Chourio like contract? Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 04, 2026, 06:30:49 PMTwo great games btw.
Phenomenal games to watch. So excited for the Brewers.
If you are the Padres though, you have to be kicking yourself.
Huh.
Quote from: forgetful on October 04, 2026, 10:26:20 PMPhenomenal games to watch. So excited for the Brewers.
If you are the Padres though, you have to be kicking yourself.
Sign of how good both of these teams are when both teams come away from this feeling like they should be 2-0
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 05, 2026, 07:53:45 AMSign of how good both of these teams are when both teams come away from this feeling like they should be 2-0
They may very well be the two best teams right now. That said, both clubs had some crazy errors that were uncharacteristic. The Brewers epitomize a complete ball-club from top to bottom. Everyone contributes and they've overcome losing 2+ starters if you include Harrison. Yesterday Frelick was huge. Not only did he get on base and knock in the first run, he made a great throw to third to get the final out of that inning. Also, that wasn't exactly a routine winning run. Chourio laced that ball with insane velocity, scoring was no gimmie. The turn Frelick made from 3rd was elite. Now all that said, this series is long from over. It's time for Milwaukee to refocus quickly and play their best in San Diego.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 04, 2026, 10:22:36 PMI have no idea how this pre-contract stuff works, but will the Brewers be able to sign Jesus Made to a Chourio like contract? Ty.
The Brewers have offered these contracts just before they project a potential call-up to the majors. My guess is that Made will be at AAA next season, and if he does well, will be offered such a contract prior to 2028. They still have Turang for a couple more arbitration years and still control Joey Ortiz, so there isn't a rush to get him up.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 05, 2026, 08:50:24 AMThe Brewers have offered these contracts just before they project a potential call-up to the majors. My guess is that Made will be at AAA next season, and if he does well, will be offered such a contract prior to 2028. They still have Turang for a couple more arbitration years and still control Joey Ortiz, so there isn't a rush to get him up.
I think a lot of factors too - what does the CBA landscape look like? Are there changes to arbitration rules? Does Made want to make that deal (Skenes did not)? Assuming we have a semi normal spring, I would be shocked if he is not up by mid next year. But you also have AAA as a leverage to entice him to come up.
What will be interesting is what position he breaks camp at. He's only been a shortstop, and they have Pratt on a long-term deal. The Brewer seem to want their prospects to stay at the harder positions til they prove they can't cut it (Made at SS vs 3B, Fischer at 3B vs 1B).
To your point , there is zero urgency given in-house options playing as well as they have.
https://x.com/Shafftybro2/status/2106893832692646369?s=46
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 04, 2026, 08:31:39 PMHow about drawing 3 walks in the 9th?
That'll get lost in history but that at-bats leading to Chourio's hit shouldn't be forgotten.
It's hard to do, but the more stressful pitches you can put on an elite closer, the better chance of success. An absolute clinic of an inning.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 05, 2026, 09:09:03 AMI think a lot of factors too - what does the CBA landscape look like? Are there changes to arbitration rules? Does Made want to make that deal (Skenes did not)? Assuming we have a semi normal spring, I would be shocked if he is not up by mid next year. But you also have AAA as a leverage to entice him to come up.
What will be interesting is what position he breaks camp at. He's only been a shortstop, and they have Pratt on a long-term deal. The Brewer seem to want their prospects to stay at the harder positions til they prove they can't cut it (Made at SS vs 3B, Fischer at 3B vs 1B).
To your point , there is zero urgency given in-house options playing as well as they have.
I'll be surprised if he signs a deal.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2026, 10:28:24 AMI'll be surprised if he signs a deal.
I don't think he does either. But unless something changes in the CBA, the Brewers are in no hurry
Quote from: wadesworld on October 05, 2026, 10:22:29 AMhttps://x.com/Shafftybro2/status/2106893832692646369?s=46
I have a Bear fan co-worker who went to her first Bears' game yesterday, and she reported back this morning "It's so strange. The fans kept chanting 'Green Bay sucks' and we weren't even playing the Packers..."
I smiled and said, "well they are just getting ready for next week."
Quote from: The Sultan on October 05, 2026, 11:46:16 AMI have a Bear fan co-worker who went to her first Bears' game yesterday, and she reported back this morning "It's so strange. The fans kept chanting 'Green Bay sucks' and we weren't even playing the Packers..."
I smiled and said, "well they are just getting ready for next week."
I am very curious to see how many Bears fans will be at Lambeau Sunday. I bet there will be a LOT.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2026, 11:48:02 AMI am very curious to see how many Bears fans will be at Lambeau Sunday. I bet there will be a LOT.
I think you are correct. Not only because of their current trajectories, but a gold package game at noon with a potential NLCS first pitch later that day?
Quote from: The Sultan on October 05, 2026, 11:52:08 AMI think you are correct. Not only because of their current trajectories, but a gold package game at noon with a potential NLCS first pitch later that day?
This is anecdotal, but given how much Packers fans travel, I am curious how many sell tix to pay for a trip to different cities.
I know they've always taken over Tampa, but it seems more prevalent the last few years where there have been a lot of Packers fans at road games
Don't love removing Burke here with how he's dealing.
Well done, CWS.
LFG!!!
3 errors in the first inning. Could have been 4. Holy shnikeys.
And only one run. Payroll.
And another dome roof hit.
The experts said Cleveland was a heavy favorite today.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 05, 2026, 08:04:36 PMThe experts said Cleveland was a heavy favorite today.
Which experts said "heavy favorites"?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2026, 08:14:11 PMWhich experts said "heavy favorites"?
It doesn't matter. No accountability for saying things that are wrong.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 05, 2026, 08:14:11 PMWhich experts said "heavy favorites"?
The guys on MLB radio early this morning.
Tonight, YankEEEEs
The Yankee shortstop needs a refresher course on rudimentary focus.
Not exactly a defensive clinic.
Weird to see the Yankees have a defensive meltdown in the playoffs.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2026, 08:20:21 PMIt doesn't matter. No accountability for saying things that are wrong.
They were a significant favorite.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 05, 2026, 09:17:52 PMThey were a significant favorite.
They were -150, which is an implied win probability of 60%.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 05, 2026, 10:44:00 PMThey were -150, which is an implied win probability of 60%.
Wow, Muggsy hyperbole? Those guys on MLB radio are basically the Khmer Rouge
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 05, 2026, 09:17:52 PMThey were a significant favorite.
Which means nothing once the game starts.
...(baseball) is a simple game. You throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball.
Last night, the YankEEEEs were lollygagging the ball around the infield.
Quote from: tower912 on October 06, 2026, 07:42:56 AM...(baseball) is a simple game. Ypu throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball.
Last night, the YankEEEEs were lollygagging the ball around the infield.
A lot of curses on those gloves. They needed some live roosters real bad.
Quote from: tower912 on October 06, 2026, 07:42:56 AM...(baseball) is a simple game. Ypu throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the ball.
Last night, the YankEEEEs were lollygagging the ball around the infield.
Yankees want to be the Brewers. Unfortunately they modeled their defense off the Brewers last game
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 06, 2026, 09:43:56 AMA lot of curses on those gloves. They needed some live roosters real bad.
Needed to breathe through their eyes.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 06, 2026, 05:15:39 PMThat's offensive
Why? Your brewers have an iron dome helping protect them from rockets over the fence funded by taxpayers
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 06, 2026, 05:16:53 PMWhy? Your brewers have an iron dome helping protect them from rockets over the fence funded by taxpayers
It's to protect us from France
Dodgers take game 3. Yamamoto gets it done. He made it look easy.
Mason Miller going on paternity leave.
Brewers' last road game win was the same series as Yelich's last playoff RBI. Both long overdue.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 06, 2026, 08:11:04 PMDodgers take game 3. Yamamoto gets it done. He made it look easy.
The Greg gard of Japanese pitchers, many are saying
Chourio has had a handful of hits taken away by really good defense.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 06, 2026, 08:47:10 PMChourio has had a handful of hits taken away by really good defense.
That was a great play and another strong at bat.
Why in the world would you challenge that? Smh.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 06, 2026, 08:50:25 PMWhy in the world would you challenge that? Smh.
As a smart and savvy team, their stupidity in ABS is truly confounding
Merrill with two enormous defensive plays.
Pat Murphy is the best.
Two strikeouts looking for Bauers. WTH?
Pierzinski is openly rooting for SD.
Ok no more May
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 06, 2026, 09:29:26 PMPierzinski is openly rooting for SD.
It's such a bad look for the entire network.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 06, 2026, 09:34:29 PMOk no more May
A bit unfortunate, but didn't do a good job keeping the runners honest at 1st.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 06, 2026, 09:35:18 PMIt's such a bad look for the entire network.
100%. Totally insufferable.
I'm sorry but I think I would just dismiss Pierzinski immediately if I ran the network. What a tool.
Nice.
Turang forgetting how to hit a baseball in the Playoffs again stinks.
The speed and defense of the Padres makes me realize what it's like to play against the Brewers. Frustrating.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 06, 2026, 09:42:52 PMTurang forgetting how to hit a baseball in the Playoffs again stinks.
The speed and defense of the Padres makes me realize what it's like to play against the Brewers. Frustrating.
Turang definitely needs to wake up.
A little surprised May came out for the 4th.
That can't happen.
That made no sense. Need to keep this a 1 run game.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 06, 2026, 09:42:52 PMTurang forgetting how to hit a baseball in the Playoffs again stinks.
The speed and defense of the Padres makes me realize what it's like to play against the Brewers. Frustrating.
Yeah, obviously the Dodgers have much better starting pitching, but the Brewers would have about 10 more hits in this series if the Dodgers defense was out there.
Great job by Jojo. It's time for the Brewers to get their bats going.
Wow!
MVPratt
Another great defensive play by SD. But I have to reiterate that the announcers are not acting professionally at all. Openly rooting for the Padres.
It's time for Turang to do something.
Dammit.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 06, 2026, 09:42:52 PMTurang forgetting how to hit a baseball in the Playoffs again stinks.
The speed and defense of the Padres makes me realize what it's like to play against the Brewers. Frustrating.
I repeat.
Fk.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 06, 2026, 10:22:26 PMBlame Muggsy for jinxing him
Not my fault. He's done diddly squat.
We can conclude the Brewers did not win the trade with the Cardinals
Odd at bat from Mitchell.
Playoff road curse alive and well. So many opportunities
Turang now 4-44 this year and last year.
Was that 2nd and 3rd with 1 out? Man, if the Brewers don't come back to win this thing you can blame it on the top of the 6th.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 06, 2026, 10:55:52 PMWas that 2nd and 3rd with 1 out? Man, if the Brewers don't come back to win this thing you can blame it on the top of the 6th.
I think two outs. The second out moved the runners over.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 06, 2026, 10:55:52 PMWas that 2nd and 3rd with 1 out? Man, if the Brewers don't come back to win this thing you can blame it on the top of the 6th.
It was 2 outs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 06, 2026, 10:23:03 PMNot my fault. He's done diddly squat.
Coming up short
Even so, tough not to bring at least one home. Not the end of the world. They can still get a couple across and pull this thing out.
Sweet Jesus.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 06, 2026, 11:03:10 PMEven so, tough not to bring at least one home. Not the end of the world. They can still get a couple across and pull this thing out.
They have missed a number of opportunities.
Big run there. Mitchell has struggled tonight.
Mitchell is a liability at this point. That was an awful at bat with a chance to tie things up.
Turang (unless the outfielder starts running back to the wall on a 300 foot pop fly), Mitchell, Ortiz just too many easy outs in the lineup. Bauers has been bad too and wasn't exactly hot coming into the Playoffs either.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 06, 2026, 11:22:43 PMTurang (unless the outfielder starts running back to the wall on a 300 foot pop fly), Mitchell, Ortiz just too many easy outs in the lineup. Bauers has been bad too and wasn't exactly hot coming into the Playoffs either.
Bauers, Turang, Mitchell. That trio needs to figure it out. Ortiz has been okay.
A.J.P. is a colossal 🤡.
Suprised Hall wasn't pulled.
Another really good game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 06, 2026, 11:28:14 PMSuprised Hall wasn't pulled.
Nobody touched him. He went straight home after the pickleball game.
Both teams had their fair share of missed chances this series. Brewers turn tonight.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 06, 2026, 11:50:28 PMBoth teams had their fair share of missed chances this series. Brewers turn tonight.
The SD defense has been really good tonight.
Ughhh. Not a good night for Bauers.
Great at bat by Contreras. He earned that walk. Brewers can't waste it.
Unfortunate. King throwing another 40 pitches might be helpful but give SD credit. Their defense was excellent tonight.
Brewers gave that game away. They better close it out tomorrow night. If this thing goes back to MKE they're in trouble.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 07, 2026, 12:04:55 AMBrewers gave that game away. They better close it out tomorrow night. If this thing goes back to MKE they're in trouble.
They certainly had their chances.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 07, 2026, 12:04:55 AMBrewers gave that game away. They better close it out tomorrow night. If this thing goes back to MKE they're in trouble.
If it goes back to Milwaukee they have the best pitcher in the game on the bump with one of the better starters in the NL behind him.
Bauers & Mitchell 0-8 with 7 K's. They need to come back strong tomorrow.
Random rules question, and I barely know what is a balk. How is the squat King does with runners on not a balk? Is it because he's not moving forward?
This series is also exactly why neither of these teams has a chance against the Dodgers. You just don't score enough runs by stringing hits together come Playoff time. Need to be able to hit it over the fence. Neither team does it enough.
This. Zero contribution from these 2. And still many opportunities for a big hit to win the game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 07, 2026, 12:08:12 AMBauers & Mitchell 0-8 with 7 K's. They need to come back strong tomorrow.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 07, 2026, 12:12:22 AMThis series is also exactly why neither of these teams has a chance against the Dodgers. You just don't score enough runs by stringing hits together come Playoff time. Need to be able to hit it over the fence. Neither team does it enough.
The Dodgers have not looked like the Dodgers offensively. They have as many runs as these teams in the DS. Maybe there's a switch, but it hasn't been flipped yet.
That game reminded a little bit of Game 3 in Chicago last year. Brewers had their chances but couldn't get the lead.
I wonder what this means for San Diego's bullpen. Will Miller be back? Is Morejon available? Does this limit how much King could throw in a Game 5?
12 consecutive playoff road losses.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 07, 2026, 12:04:55 AMBrewers gave that game away. They better close it out tomorrow night. If this thing goes back to MKE they're in trouble.
If the Dodgers lose tonight and head back to LA they're in trouble.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 07, 2026, 12:17:52 AMThe Dodgers have not looked like the Dodgers offensively. They have as many runs as these teams in the DS. Maybe there's a switch, but it hasn't been flipped yet.
I know Ohtani hasn't been healthy, but you can make a very strong argument that Yamamoto's pitching in the playoffs has had the greatest impact on the Dodgers success. He's had a number of performances where he's been totally unhitable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 07, 2026, 12:59:45 PMI know Ohtani hasn't been healthy, but you can make a very strong argument that Yamamoto's pitching in the playoffs has had the greatest impact on the Dodgers success. He's had a number of performances where he's been totally unhitable.
He's had precisely zero "performances where he's been totally unhitable." He gave up 4 hits last night.
Quote from: MU82 on October 07, 2026, 02:54:57 PMHe's had precisely zero "performances where he's been totally unhitable." He gave up 4 hits last night.
Muggsy is hyperbolic for sure, but his point is correct. Dude's been nails
Quick paternity leave for Mason Miller. Obviously just used it as an excuse to free up a roster spot on a day he wasn't going to pitch.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 07, 2026, 04:30:13 PMQuick paternity leave for Mason Miller. Obviously just used it as an excuse to free up a roster spot on a day he wasn't going to pitch.
Eh, I think his wife went into labor shortly before the game. If there were no complications, I could see him only being off one day. Hopefully he will have plenty of time to spend with his new child after tonight.
Fun sketch on how home runs are measured.
https://x.com/_sportsball_/status/2107826735568097756?s=46
If you click his profile he has lots of other sports sketches.
I'm glad I was told ahead of time to not be excited. Made this white Sox loss much easier
Had Jose Ramirez or Michael Harris been on third base for the Blue Jays in Game 7, Toronto would have won the World Series and nobody would be talking about a possible LA threepeat. It's STILL amazing that Kiner-Falefa failed to score.
Also ... nice choke by Dubon tonight. You don't see big-league shortstops flat-out drop pop-ups very often.
Fox really loves switching to camera angles on action pitches that allow you to see absolutely nothing.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 07, 2026, 09:12:33 PMFox really loves switching to camera angles on action pitches that allow you to see absolutely nothing.
That "ump cam" is beyond idiotic.
WTF? Why didn't Ortiz zip that to 1st?
Just dumb to challenge there.
Brewers need to focus right now. Making mental errors.
Jeffrey Maier redux, but this time it works against the Yankees.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2026, 09:26:04 PMJeffrey Maier redux, but this time it works against the Yankees.
I think it was called just about right. Didn't look like it was clearing the fence, and didn't look like the Ray's player was making the catch.
Damn. Why not bunt there?
Sometimes taking PEDs pays off.
Cmon Ortiz.
Let's go.
Chourio needs to take 3rd there.
Turang is not built for the moment.
Maybe Made isn't blocked in the majors and the hole is at 2B
Dodgers close it out.
Let's go Brewers.
I would hate to face SD in the NLCS.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 07, 2026, 10:49:59 PMDodgers close it out.
Let's go Brewers.
I would hate to face SD in the NLCS.
Dodgers would roll the Padres. The Brewers are just a better version of the Padres.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 07, 2026, 10:40:38 PMTurang is not built for the moment.
He's had some really bad ab's. I would have liked another run there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 07, 2026, 10:59:33 PMHe's had some really bad ab's. I would have liked another run there.
Not me, I prefer watching games praying for either elite bullpen performances or death
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 07, 2026, 11:21:13 PMNot me, I prefer watching games praying for either elite bullpen performances or death
Lol.
Elite bullpen performances it is. 3 incredible innings from Ashby.
Did Pierzinski just say Turang is an up and coming superstar??
That was a clear strike.
And that's why you don't waste challenges.
Mitchell has redeemed himself tonight.
Let's go! Incredible pitching tonight
Bam!
What a series. I need a couple days to detox.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 08, 2026, 12:09:04 AMLet's go! Incredible pitching tonight
Absolutely superb. I don't think SD had a hit since the 3rd inning?
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 08, 2026, 12:09:47 AMWhat a series. I need a couple days to detox.
The Brewers are capable of playing significantly better. I think people are wrong if they think they have no chance against the Dodgers.
A few days ago, I said here that the Brewers had the better bullpen.
Well? 20 IP, 1 earned run.
I'm nitpicking but I do think the Brewers have to do better with the challenge system.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 07, 2026, 10:56:38 PMDodgers would roll the Padres. The Brewers are just a better version of the Padres.
I know that's what the stats tell us, but I'm still haunted by the 2022 NLDS. The Dodgers won 111 games, but didn't advance to the NLCS. Oh well, that's the past. Hopefully they're on their way to a third straight WS title.
Cooper Pratt double fisting Fanta and plugging the holes so alcohol doesn't get in was hilarious.
Theee of the final four:
Brewers
Rays
White Sox/Guardians
Yup. Only the biggest-market teams have a chance to contend for anything at all when there's no salary cap.
Quote from: Jockey on October 08, 2026, 12:15:58 AMA few days ago, I said here that the Brewers had the better bullpen.
Well? 20 IP, 1 earned run.
That's pretty ridiculous. What a team.
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2026, 12:40:03 AMTheee of the final four:
Brewers
Rays
White Sox/Guardians
Yup. Only the biggest-market teams have a chance to contend for anything at all when there's no salary cap.
Well...
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2026, 12:40:03 AMTheee of the final four:
Brewers
Rays
White Sox/Guardians
Yup. Only the biggest-market teams have a chance to contend for anything at all when there's no salary cap.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 08, 2026, 12:42:32 AMWell...
Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
Gasser was also excellent. They're a complete team.
Alec Rodriguez just said "The Padres were a couple of inches away from facing the team that didn't want to see them". Excuse me? The Brewers were the better team. Period.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2026, 12:52:16 AMAlec Rodriguez just said "The Padres were a couple of inches away from facing the team that didn't want to see them". Excuse me? The Brewers were the better team. Period.
I think the obvious plays being inches away impacted the Padres more for the general fan (roof, Chourio's winner, Mitchell catch). However, it ignores all the balls the Brewers smoked that the Padres got a glove on.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on October 08, 2026, 12:29:03 AMI know that's what the stats tell us, but I'm still haunted by the 2022 NLDS. The Dodgers won 111 games, but didn't advance to the NLCS. Oh well, that's the past. Hopefully they're on their way to a third straight WS title.
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Congratulations to the Rays and Brewers.
Quote from: tower912 on October 08, 2026, 06:53:44 AMCongratulations to the Rays and Brewers.
Half the Brewers fanbase this morning is worried instead of being excited
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2026, 07:10:43 AMHalf the Brewers fanbase this morning is worried instead of being excited
What is the sense in worrying when it is already over?
Garrett "The Roof" Mitchell
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 07, 2026, 10:40:38 PMTurang is not built for the moment.
He has been late/unable to square up on anything the entire series
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 08, 2026, 07:18:22 AMWhat is the sense in worrying when it is already over?
Thinking of Rubie Q...
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2026, 12:40:03 AMTheee of the final four:
Brewers
Rays
White Sox/Guardians
Yup. Only the biggest-market teams have a chance to contend for anything at all when there's no salary cap.
I know there's been people who have made dopey statements like "small market teams have no chance to contend." But Id hope you'd agree that standard shouldn't be "not impossible for a small market team to contend."
What the Brewers, Rays, and to a lesser extent the Guardians (they lucked their way into a bye facing the winner of two essentially .500 teams, despite having a middling overall record themselves) have done this year is extraordinary. The Brewers and Rays are two of the best teams in baseball this season. They had to overcome massive disadvantages that the other top teams didn't have to overcome. Those of us who support a cap just want to lessen some of those disadvantages.
People like to make this debate about all sorts of things that it isn't. The only real questions of the debate are "would a more even financial playing field be good for the sport?" And "If, yes, what's the best way to accomplish that?"
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 08, 2026, 01:22:36 AMI think the obvious plays being inches away impacted the Padres more for the general fan (roof, Chourio's winner, Mitchell catch). However, it ignores all the balls the Brewers smoked that the Padres got a glove on.
It was a moronic comment. And A.J. Perzinski was also openly rooting for SD all four games. Immediate dismissals should be on the table. Do your job. :)
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2026, 08:48:23 AMI know there's been people who have made dopey statements like "small market teams have no chance to contend." But Id hope you'd agree that standard shouldn't be "not impossible for a small market team to contend."
What the Brewers, Rays, and to a lesser extent the Guardians (they lucked their way into a bye facing the winner of two essentially .500 teams, despite having a middling overall record themselves) have done this year is extraordinary. The Brewers and Rays are two of the best teams in baseball this season. They had to overcome massive disadvantages that the other top teams didn't have to overcome. Those of us who support a cap just want to lessen some of those disadvantages.
People like to make this debate about all sorts of things that it isn't. The only real questions of the debate are "would a more even financial playing field be good for the sport?" And "If, yes, what's the best way to accomplish that?"
How the Rays and Brewers spend their money is always overlooked. I can't speak for Tampa, but Milwaukee spends internationally and in development. They could spend more on payroll, but paying Burnes, Adames, Williams, Hader, and Peralta was never going to happen, and quite frankly, nor should it have. They maximized the value of all of them and would have gotten diminishing returns had they handed out the contracts they got or will get.
They're going to do it with Contreras and Turang as well. Those may play out differently as far as what they go on to do but they'll fill those positions on their terms.
I've said this ad nauseam about the Dodgers. They mix large contracts with one of the best run overall organizations in the game. It mirrors the Yankees of the 90's and the Red Sox of the 00's. You can spend all you want, but no success is guaranteed. It's what the Mets have failed to do the past half decade.
What the large markets have, is the capability to absorb bad contracts. The Brewers can do that with one, maybe two. That's the difference. And even the Mets and Yankees can get hamstrung with bad contracts if their organization can't develop young talent.
When Reds ownership bemoaned not being Milwaukee, it's time for a deep dive into your people running the org. It isn't all luck, there is some of that, but it's about people, process, and understanding how to invest in them and it.
Excellent posts, TAMU and Rico.
My point was that while the big boyz obviously have much more margin for error, numerous little guys can - and do - contend by running great all-around organizations centered on talent acquisition, development and culture.
There is an easy path toward a more financially level playing field, and it's true revenue sharing.
Yes, my post "left something out." But for some, the final eight could be seven small-market teams and the Dodgers ... and if the Dodgers win the World Series on a bloop hit in the 14th inning of Game 7, the conclusion will be, "See, nobody else can even compete!"
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2026, 09:57:21 AMExcellent posts, TAMU and Rico.
My point was that while the big boyz obviously have much more margin for error, numerous little guys can - and do - contend by running great all-around organizations centered on talent acquisition, development and culture.
There is an easy path toward a more financially level playing field, and it's true revenue sharing.
Yes, my post "left something out." But for some, the final eight could be seven small-market teams and the Dodgers ... and if the Dodgers win the World Series on a bloop hit in the 14th inning of Game 7, the conclusion will be, "See, nobody else can even compete!"
Baseball ownership from the first day baseball was organized into leagues have been the issue. It's one of America's true consistencies.
I think that's what makes the Dodgers so tough. They have basically taken the small market mentality ability to identify talent and have endless amounts of money. I think it's what the Mets were hoping out of Stearns.
The Dodgers success is more than just an infinite checkbook.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 08, 2026, 10:09:27 AMI think that's what makes the Dodgers so tough. They have basically taken the small market mentality ability to identify talent and have endless amounts of money. I think it's what the Mets were hoping out of Stearns.
The Dodgers success is more than just an infinite checkbook.
Great point, cheebs. Meanwhile the Mets think that just spending money without the scouting & player development is the answer. Stearns built a team in Milwaukee to compete, but Cohen doesn't have the patience to let him combine spending with player acquisition and development.
Quote from: forgetful on October 08, 2026, 12:40:25 AMThat's pretty ridiculous. What a team.
It was needed. That was the worst 5 game defensive middle infield stretch that I can remember from the Brewers.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 08, 2026, 08:23:02 AMHe has been late/unable to square up on anything the entire series
And it was the same problem last year in the Playoffs for him.
While they didn't put up a lot of runs, I do think this year the batting order is more balanced. It felt like last year, once you got past maybe 5 or 6, there were 3 automatic outs coming. Granted, Ortiz didn't have a good series, but the bottom of the order can at least string some hits together and put pressure on pitching.
At the end of the day, the Brewers need to put pressure on the Dodgers starters. Last year, they barely got into the bullpen and the starters cruised.
Quote from: Jockey on October 08, 2026, 10:20:33 AMGreat point, cheebs. Meanwhile the Mets think that just spending money without the scouting & player development is the answer. Stearns built a team in Milwaukee to compete, but Cohen doesn't have the patience to let him combine spending with player acquisition and development.
I do kinda wonder how much Matt Arnold was the guy doing the actual work in Milwaukee. That might be unfair...
Quote from: Jockey on October 08, 2026, 10:20:33 AMGreat point, cheebs. Meanwhile the Mets think that just spending money without the scouting & player development is the answer. Stearns built a team in Milwaukee to compete, but Cohen doesn't have the patience to let him combine spending with player acquisition and development.
Yup. "He won in Minnesota, so just imagine what he'll accomplish with the Cubs" was a similar fallacy that led to mostly frustration under Andy MacPhail.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2026, 09:19:12 AMHow the Rays and Brewers spend their money is always overlooked. I can't speak for Tampa, but Milwaukee spends internationally and in development. They could spend more on payroll, but paying Burnes, Adames, Williams, Hader, and Peralta was never going to happen, and quite frankly, nor should it have. They maximized the value of all of them and would have gotten diminishing returns had they handed out the contracts they got or will get.
They're going to do it with Contreras and Turang as well. Those may play out differently as far as what they go on to do but they'll fill those positions on their terms.
I've said this ad nauseam about the Dodgers. They mix large contracts with one of the best run overall organizations in the game. It mirrors the Yankees of the 90's and the Red Sox of the 00's. You can spend all you want, but no success is guaranteed. It's what the Mets have failed to do the past half decade.
What the large markets have, is the capability to absorb bad contracts. The Brewers can do that with one, maybe two. That's the difference. And even the Mets and Yankees can get hamstrung with bad contracts if their organization can't develop young talent.
When Reds ownership bemoaned not being Milwaukee, it's time for a deep dive into your people running the org. It isn't all luck, there is some of that, but it's about people, process, and understanding how to invest in them and it.
Like JB with the cute ball boy at the pickleball tournament, Rico fcking nailed it.
I know Vlad got derided for his comments that he was paid for past performance but there is a lot of truth that you are paid because of scarcity and perceived certainty for the first few years of the deal, and everything else is a crapshoot or negative value.
The brewers will never pay a pitcher because the risk is too high that you never get that value in the front years because of injury. Paying Corbin would have been a death sentence.
I am very interested in what the CBA does to the parts that aren't the salary cap. There's been discussion of an international draft that I think would be unfairly damaging to the infrastructure they've laid in international markets.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2026, 08:51:54 AMIt was a moronic comment. And A.J. Perzinski was also openly rooting for SD all four games. Immediate dismissals should be on the table. Do your job. :)
Does he try looking like JD Vance intentionally?
Great news for Pete Rose:
"I worked hard to get a man named Pete Rose into the Baseball Hall of Fame before he died.
And Pete was sort of a friend of mine, but more than a friend. I used to watch him, Charlie Hustle. What — that guy was a great player, right? He had 4,256 hits, a record they say probably can never be broken, probably can't. And I called the commissioner of baseball. He's a nice guy. And I said, Commissioner, you gotta let this guy in. He's waited for years, like what, 40 years or something?...
So, the commissioner told me he was going to do it, but it took him a long time. He waited and waited. I called him, when are you doing it? Oh, I'm going to do it. And he announced it right after Pete died."
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 08, 2026, 05:03:48 PMGreat news for Pete Rose:
"I worked hard to get a man named Pete Rose into the Baseball Hall of Fame before he died.
And Pete was sort of a friend of mine, but more than a friend. I used to watch him, Charlie Hustle. What — that guy was a great player, right? He had 4,256 hits, a record they say probably can never be broken, probably can't. And I called the commissioner of baseball. He's a nice guy. And I said, Commissioner, you gotta let this guy in. He's waited for years, like what, 40 years or something?...
So, the commissioner told me he was going to do it, but it took him a long time. He waited and waited. I called him, when are you doing it? Oh, I'm going to do it. And he announced it right after Pete died."
Like POTUS, Pete was a pedophile
Still not in the Hall of Fame. Still unlikely to get there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2026, 05:06:23 PMLike POTUS, Pete was a pedophile
Just like presidential medal of freedom receiver Roger Clemens
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 08, 2026, 05:30:40 PMJust like presidential medal of freedom receiver Roger Clemens
Pedophilia is a platform for some political parties nowadays. As long as we don't have affordable healthcare and we keep minorities down, its ok for some
Quote from: Jockey on October 08, 2026, 10:22:27 AMIt was needed. That was the worst 5 game defensive middle infield stretch that I can remember from the Brewers.
This is a good point. The Brewers did not play their best vs SD. Far from it. Really good teams find ways to win with their B- game. The Brewers will hace to play better vs LA, but they absolutely can.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 08, 2026, 05:30:40 PMJust like presidential medal of freedom receiver Roger Clemens
There's no way to defend why this award was bestowed on Clemens.
Roger has good knee pads.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 08, 2026, 02:55:40 PMLike JB with the cute ball boy at the pickleball tournament, Rico fcking nailed it.
I am very interested in what the CBA does to the parts that aren't the salary cap. There's been discussion of an international draft that I think would be unfairly damaging to the infrastructure they've laid in international markets.
There aren't usually ball boys at pickleball tournaments. We keep using the same ball - like reeko at the bathhouse, there's a lot of bending over.
Over the past couple of months I've played a lot with the wife of a current MLB player. She's very athletic (D-I athlete) and one of my favorite females to play with - great aggression and skill - both doubles and singles.
Unfortunately, they have left Minnesota for the offseason. If there's a lockout, that will delay the time until their return to Minnesota, so no more pb here for awhile :(
Nonetheless, I do have a mixed doubles 4.0-4.25 tournament tomorrow afternoon. Have not decided on my jersey, but it'll be either Markus, Fru or Nigel. We are market
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 08, 2026, 09:18:12 PMThere aren't usually ball boys at pickleball tournaments. We keep using the same ball - like reeko at the bathhouse, there's a lot of bending over.
Over the past couple of months I've played a lot with the wife of a current MLB player. She's very athletic (D-I athlete) and one of my favorite females to play with - great aggression and skill - both doubles and singles.
Unfortunately, they have left Minnesota for the offseason. If there's a lockout, that will delay the time until their return to Minnesota, so no more pb here for awhile :(
Nonetheless, I do have a mixed doubles 4.0-4.25 tournament tomorrow afternoon. Have not decided on my jersey, but it'll be either Markus, Fru or Nigel. We are market
Hope your tiny hands can manage holding a paddle that long.
How do you know what happens at bath houses? The lady doth protest too much.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 08, 2026, 06:45:01 PMThere's no way to defend why this award was bestowed on Clemens.
Just a couple of regular dudes into teenage girls.
Guards Win!
Tough ending for the Sox, but they had one helluva turnaround season.
21 strikeouts out of 27 outs - live by big, balls-to-the-wall swings; die by big, balls-to-the-wall swings.
I should have listened to 18th and State.
I blame me for being enthusiastic these last few months.