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Title: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: PaintTouches on February 27, 2026, 03:35:04 PM
Marquette has played 14 games in 2026 after playing 14 in 2025, this season. In both segments it has gone 5-9. If the record is equally miserable, why do I feel this burst of excitement? This and much more at the link.
LINK HERE (https://painttouches.com/2026/02/27/what-has-changed-with-marquette-and-is-it-sustainable/?utm_source=MUScoop&utm_medium=Forum)

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Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on February 27, 2026, 03:47:38 PM
The James/Stevens/Parham group (and I'd even throw Owens in there) has gotten much better and more confident over the course of the season.  It's obviously a great group to build around and add pieces in this portal cycle.  They don't get to where they are without the lumps (and frustrations) with the early season lineups with Jones, Hamilton and Lowery. 

As much growth and development a single transfer would have had (either a true center to push Gold more to the forward position, a shooting guard that could have played off the slashing abilities of Ross more, or a point guard to help facilitate looks within the offense), the staff bet on our guys, and thought they could make jumps that did not pan out.

I don't think they will not make the same mistake twice going into next season. 
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 04:14:38 PM
Bubble Team
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: WhiteTrash on February 27, 2026, 04:44:14 PM
What has change? Playing all BE teams.
MU has improved some not still a good team. Even setting the brutal GU game aside, MU has not played all that well if you actually watch the games. The level of play is off significantly from the past four year.

The good news is, I feel, that it is 95% due to talent (I'd say 100% but Shaka still puts Hamilton into the games). IMO Shaka's offense still looks good, he seems more energized and engaged compared to November & December. I'd make MU stock a "BUY". 
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 27, 2026, 04:54:00 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 04:14:38 PMBubble Team

Struggling to see how the 58th ranked team is considered a bubble team
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 04:57:51 PM
Quote from: panda on February 27, 2026, 04:54:00 PMStruggling to see how the 58th ranked team is considered a bubble team

Lots of teams ranked between 45-65 are on the bubble. This is metrically what a bubble team looks like. Game results have lagged behind, obviously. Hopefully they finish strong to carry into next year a bit.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 27, 2026, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 04:57:51 PMLots of teams ranked between 45-65 are on the bubble. This is metrically what a bubble team looks like. Game results have lagged behind, obviously. Hopefully they finish strong to carry into next year a bit.

We're not first four out.

We're not next four out.

We're not next next four out.

We're not next next next four out.

We land in the next next next next four out.

Never heard next to the fourth power team out discussed as a bubble team.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 05:29:40 PM
I think you're misunderstanding my point. We're obviously not a bubble team.

My point is and has always been, for almost two months now, metrically we've been playing like a bubble team. Nothing more.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jables1604 on February 27, 2026, 05:52:20 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 04:14:38 PMBubble Team
Hello? Exactly!
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 27, 2026, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 05:29:40 PMI think you're misunderstanding my point. We're obviously not a bubble team.

My point is and has always been, for almost two months now, metrically we've been playing like a bubble team. Nothing more.

Playing much better. But 58 ain't no bubble team
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: MuMark on February 27, 2026, 06:29:12 PM
Quote from: panda on February 27, 2026, 06:04:54 PMPlaying much better. But 58 ain't no bubble team

Last year San Diego State had a Net ranking of 59.....they were an 11 seed.

Utah State was 61 in the Pomeroy......they were a 10 seed.

Pomeroy as we know is a total efficiency metric.......Net has a large efficiency component as part of its ranking.

They both won over 20 games but again the argument was efficiency.........
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Newsdreams on February 27, 2026, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: panda on February 27, 2026, 06:04:54 PMPlaying much better. But 58 ain't no bubble team
Yes it is, or you don't know how it works.....
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on February 27, 2026, 08:00:10 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 27, 2026, 07:44:28 PMYes it is, or you don't know how it works.....

It's the latter.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 27, 2026, 08:33:11 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 27, 2026, 07:44:28 PMYes it is, or you don't know how it works.....

I know there's 21 spots in between 58 and 37. And those spots are usually occupied by teams with road wins and quad 1 victories.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: 1SE on February 28, 2026, 12:50:39 AM
Fiserv needs a new banner: years (well, partial years) where we "metrically played like a bubble team"
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 05:52:02 AM
Quote from: panda on February 27, 2026, 08:33:11 PMI know there's 21 spots in between 58 and 37. And those spots are usually occupied by teams with road wins and quad 1 victories.

At large bids go to the top 37 teams outside of conference tourney champions. Need to go to top 45ish teams to include best 37 plus top conference teams or assumed conference tourney champions.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 28, 2026, 06:54:45 AM
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 05:52:02 AMAt large bids go to the top 37 teams outside of conference tourney champions. Need to go to top 45ish teams to include best 37 plus top conference teams or assumed conference tourney champions.

What would have to happen for the 58th ranked team to make the tournament?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 07:47:55 AM
Since January 1, MU has the metrics of a bubble team. That is all anyone is saying. Since the start of the season, they do not. Easy peasy.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 28, 2026, 08:34:25 AM
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 07:47:55 AMSince January 1, MU has the metrics of a bubble team. That is all anyone is saying. Since the start of the season, they do not. Easy peasy.

What bubble team has zero q1 wins, 1 road win and a losing record?

Playing better no doubt but let's not kid ourselves here.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 08:46:53 AM
No one is kidding themselves. No one ever said anything about wins/record breakdown. No one ever disputed that.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 08:48:04 AM
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 07:47:55 AMSince January 1, MU has the metrics of a bubble team. That is all anyone is saying. Since the start of the season, they do not. Easy peasy.

Well, except a key metric: Wins and Losses. They simply do not. They are 5-9.

I think saying, "they have played better than their record might indicate" is fine... but this bubble team stuff is just grasping for what isn't there.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 08:48:45 AM
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 08:46:53 AMNo one is kidding themselves. No one ever said anything about wins/record breakdown. No one ever disputed that.

Eh, but they are. If you say, 'certain metrics', OK, maybe. But, 'their metrics are that of a bubble team' is crazy town talk.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: BM1090 on February 28, 2026, 08:50:04 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 08:48:04 AMWell, except a key metric: Wins and Losses. They simply do not. They are 5-9.

I think saying, "they have played better than their record might indicate" is fine... but this bubble team stuff is just grasping for what isn't there.


I guess I don't consider W/L a metric, but maybe analytically fits better
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 09:09:35 AM
I will certainly use "certain" next time for certain.

I realize now that I should have qualified my statement by singling out offensive/defensive efficiency metrics.

Result-based metrics like WAB have MU far off the bubble because that metric is directly tied to wins.

My initial post was semantically challenged.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Scoop Snoop on February 28, 2026, 09:43:33 AM
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 09:09:35 AMI will certainly use "certain" next time for certain.

I realize now that I should have qualified my statement by singling out offensive/defensive efficiency metrics.

Result-based metrics like WAB have MU far off the bubble because that metric is directly tied to wins.

My initial post was semantically challenged.

 Being semantically challenged is certainly a characteristic proudly displayed in many scoop posts.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: #UnleashThePortal on February 28, 2026, 10:15:04 AM
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 07:47:55 AMSince January 1, MU has the metrics of a bubble team. That is all anyone is saying. Since the start of the season, they do not. Easy peasy.

What bubble team is making it with Marquettes record since January 1st?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 10:58:56 AM
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 28, 2026, 10:15:04 AMWhat bubble team is making it with Marquettes record since January 1st?

Josh read one post on the whole first page of the thread.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 28, 2026, 11:09:17 AM
Anyone know if Chase has practiced the last few days after his shoulder situation?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: #UnleashThePortal on February 28, 2026, 11:40:50 AM
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 28, 2026, 10:58:56 AMJosh read one post on the whole first page of the thread.
yes. The one I quoted.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2026, 11:51:36 AM
Unless the "improved" metrics translates to wins what is the point. Also will these individual metrics improve next season. At the very least we need two "bigs" to clear the boards and a guard that can shoot. Otherwise saying we can be a tournament team is stretch.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: The Sultan on February 28, 2026, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2026, 11:51:36 AMUnless the "improved" metrics translates to wins what is the point. Also will these individual metrics improve next season. At the very least we need two "bigs" to clear the boards and a guard that can shoot. Otherwise saying we can be a tournament team is stretch.

Yes. We have to win more games than this year to make next year's tournament. Stunning analysis.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: MuMark on February 28, 2026, 12:13:37 PM
In summary ....3 things can be true

1 Improved metrics means your team is playing better.......teams with good analytics tend to be better teams.

2 There are teams every year with metrics that are good enough to make the tournament that miss because they don't win enough games.

3 You can win  a bunch of games but if your metrics aren't good enough you probably aren't making the tournament.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Newsdreams on February 28, 2026, 12:16:43 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 28, 2026, 11:09:17 AMAnyone know if Chase has practiced the last few days after his shoulder situation?
Isn't the team better w/o Chase?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on February 28, 2026, 12:26:17 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 28, 2026, 12:16:43 PMIsn't the team better w/o Chase?

They've certainly looked better without him, but I'd still like him to get a proper send off next Saturday.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Newsdreams on February 28, 2026, 12:27:51 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 28, 2026, 12:26:17 PMThey've certainly looked better without him, but I'd still like him to get a proper send off next Saturday.
Bench him
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on February 28, 2026, 01:24:53 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 27, 2026, 04:57:51 PMLots of teams ranked between 45-65 are on the bubble. This is metrically what a bubble team looks like. Game results have lagged behind, obviously. Hopefully they finish strong to carry into next year a bit.

Do lots of them have .357 winning percentages and zero Quad 1 wins?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: MuMark on February 28, 2026, 01:33:06 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on February 28, 2026, 01:24:53 PMDo lots of them have .357 winning percentages and zero Quad 1 wins?

Did you just choose to ignore this part of his post?

"This is metrically what a bubble team looks like. Game results have lagged behind, obviously."

Can't we discuss things a little deeper than " This season sucks and we are 10-18.........."?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 28, 2026, 01:38:50 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 28, 2026, 12:16:43 PMIsn't the team better w/o Chase?
That has been said here. Absolutely clueless but yes, it has been said.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 28, 2026, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: MuMark on February 28, 2026, 01:33:06 PMDid you just choose to ignore this part of his post?

"This is metrically what a bubble team looks like. Game results have lagged behind, obviously."

Can't we discuss things a little deeper than " This season sucks and we are 10-18.........."?
So metrically a bubble team isn't actually a bubble team because those bubble teams who made the tournament with similar metrics actually, you know, won games. Big difference.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on February 28, 2026, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: MuMark on February 28, 2026, 01:33:06 PMDid you just choose to ignore this part of his post?

"This is metrically what a bubble team looks like. Game results have lagged behind, obviously."

Can't we discuss things a little deeper than " This season sucks and we are 10-18.........."?

You can discuss things however you want, but let's at least be honest with ourselves. Declaring that this "looks like" a bubble team by citing just one specific metric - while totally ignoring other key elements in what makes a team a bubble team - is smearing lipstick on a pig.

It's objectively true that this team has played much better since Jan. 1. That's good news. Squinting super hard to convince ourselves we're a bubble team since then is unnecessary embellishment.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: BM1090 on February 28, 2026, 01:55:59 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on February 28, 2026, 01:55:03 PMYou can discuss things however you want, but let's at least be honest with ourselves. Declaring that this "looks like" a bubble team by citing just one specific metric - while totally ignoring other key elements in what makes a team a bubble team - is smearing lipstick on a pig.

It's objectively true that this team has played much better since Jan. 1. That's good news. Squinting super hard to convince ourselves we're a bubble team since then is unnecessary embellishment.

You're convincing yourself that I'm squinting way more than I'm actually squinting
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on February 28, 2026, 02:00:20 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 28, 2026, 01:55:59 PMYou're convincing yourself that I'm squinting way more than I'm actually squinting

Was it a different BM1090 who wrote "Bubble Team" in the third post of this thread?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: MU82 on February 28, 2026, 05:40:02 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 28, 2026, 12:16:43 PMIsn't the team better w/o Chase?

He played quite well in the second half as we buried Georgetown. Hoping he "found" something ... and hoping he's healthy enough to play tomorrow.

Now, back to the meaningless bubble-team discussion.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Elonsmusk on February 28, 2026, 06:01:45 PM
Quote from: panda on February 28, 2026, 01:44:58 PMSo metrically a bubble team isn't actually a bubble team because those bubble teams who made the tournament with similar metrics actually, you know, won games. Big difference.


Quote from: Pakuni on February 28, 2026, 01:55:03 PMYou can discuss things however you want, but let's at least be honest with ourselves. Declaring that this "looks like" a bubble team by citing just one specific metric - while totally ignoring other key elements in what makes a team a bubble team - is smearing lipstick on a pig.

It's objectively true that this team has played much better since Jan. 1. That's good news. Squinting super hard to convince ourselves we're a bubble team since then is unnecessary embellishment.

Panda and Pakuni- Scoop's most obtuse jags.  Well done you two.  For two guys so down on Shaka and MU hoops, you sure spend a lot of time Scooping. 

Keep in mind, it is most important judge seasons now by calendar year, so what happened in 2025 is totally irrelevant. 
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on February 28, 2026, 06:30:11 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 28, 2026, 06:01:45 PMPanda and Pakuni- Scoop's most obtuse jags.  Well done you two.  For two guys so down on Shaka and MU hoops, you sure spend a lot of time Scooping. 

Keep in mind, it is most important judge seasons now by calendar year, so what happened in 2025 is totally irrelevant. 

You're going to be so mad when UNC hires away Shaka in a month.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on February 28, 2026, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 28, 2026, 06:01:45 PMPanda and Pakuni- Scoop's most obtuse jags.  Well done you two.  For two guys so down on Shaka and MU hoops, you sure spend a lot of time Scooping. 

Keep in mind, it is most important judge seasons now by calendar year, so what happened in 2025 is totally irrelevant. 

Hey bozo - you can judge whatever part of the season you want if there is enough data points to support your argument. I am more than supported with facts to say last season was disappointing because of the second half of the season. I'm even more validated to point to why the team failed and how it led into this year.

I legitimately have no ideas how you can bring this bubble conversation and try and prove this as your "gotcha" moment. They don't have a bubble resume in the supported time frame. I have no issue with the time frame presented from the other side.

Only someone like you could come up with such a moronic attempt to embarrass someone while  only embarrassing yourself more.

Such a pathetic effort could only come from someone who thought their ace in the hole during a dispute was to brag about their ability to dunk. Gonna need video proof of that buddy. And even if you could do it, what type of sad, high school quarterback type story is that. Pathetic.

Next time you come at me boy, come correct.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 08:19:45 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 28, 2026, 08:50:04 AMI guess I don't consider W/L a metric

Well, that's bizarre. I'm curious as to what your definition of 'metric' is.

#DictonaryOptional
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 08:21:47 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2026, 05:40:02 PMHe played quite well in the second half as we buried Georgetown. Hoping he "found" something ... and hoping he's healthy enough to play tomorrow.

I say sit Chase until we get into a last possession down by 1 or 2 situation. Then put him in and see what he can do!!!
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jables1604 on February 28, 2026, 08:25:38 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 28, 2026, 06:01:45 PMPanda and Pakuni- Scoop's most obtuse jags.  Well done you two.  For two guys so down on Shaka and MU hoops, you sure spend a lot of time Scooping. 

Keep in mind, it is most important judge seasons now by calendar year, so what happened in 2025 is totally irrelevant. 
#ShakaSlurper
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Newsdreams on February 28, 2026, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 08:21:47 PMI say sit Chase until we get into a last possession down by 1 or 2 situation. Then put him in and see what he can do!!!
That is a plan
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: BM1090 on February 28, 2026, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 08:19:45 PMWell, that's bizarre. I'm curious as to what your definition of 'metric' is.

#DictonaryOptional

Bro I'm begging you to stop cutting my posts where it's convenient for you
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jay Bee on February 28, 2026, 10:03:04 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 28, 2026, 09:54:19 PMBro I'm begging you to stop cutting my posts where it's convenient for you

Sorry, homie. I'll do better.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Superfan on February 28, 2026, 10:11:32 PM
I am encouraged by the progress they have made since 1/1/26 following a disastrous start.  What tempers my glee is the fact that the BE this year besides UConn, SJ and maybe Nova is brutally weak.  Look at the net ranking of the bottom 8 teams.  I can't help but take the quality, or lack thereof, of our competition into account when I evaluate our progress.  I do believe that if we cut some dead wood and add a sniper and a couple bigs to our roster we'll be dancing next year.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: connie on March 01, 2026, 08:12:41 AM
I can acknowledge the improvement against a depleted Big East while at the same time remembering my grandmother warning about being fooled by "lipstick on a pig."  The contenders for the last 4 in aren't particularly impressive, but does anyone think we would win more than 3-4 of 10?  Is that even too optimistic?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 01, 2026, 08:45:46 AM
Quote from: Superfan on February 28, 2026, 10:11:32 PMI am encouraged by the progress they have made since 1/1/26 following a disastrous start.  What tempers my glee is the fact that the BE this year besides UConn, SJ and maybe Nova is brutally weak.  Look at the net ranking of the bottom 8 teams.  I can't help but take the quality, or lack thereof, of our competition into account when I evaluate our progress.  I do believe that if we cut some dead wood and add a sniper and a couple bigs to our roster we'll be dancing next year.
The off season will tell us a lot. I think there is some optimism as a team like Seton Hall managed some degree of success this year.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 09:21:58 AM
Quote from: panda on February 28, 2026, 06:49:13 PMHey bozo - you can judge whatever part of the season you want if there is enough data points to support your argument. I am more than supported with facts to say last season was disappointing because of the second half of the season. I'm even more validated to point to why the team failed and how it led into this year.

I legitimately have no ideas how you can bring this bubble conversation and try and prove this as your "gotcha" moment. They don't have a bubble resume in the supported time frame. I have no issue with the time frame presented from the other side.

Only someone like you could come up with such a moronic attempt to embarrass someone while  only embarrassing yourself more.

Such a pathetic effort could only come from someone who thought their ace in the hole during a dispute was to brag about their ability to dunk. Gonna need video proof of that buddy. And even if you could do it, what type of sad, high school quarterback type story is that. Pathetic.

Next time you come at me boy, come correct.

Someone's feelings got hurt.  Not surprising, as you have zero emotional fortitude and are the definition of a drama king. 
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 09:22:36 AM
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 28, 2026, 08:25:38 PM#ShakaSlurper

100%
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Jay Bee on March 01, 2026, 09:26:03 AM
If you guys truly appreciate metrics, make sure to cheer loud for my brotha Markus today. #M2N

I'll be playing at an MLP event but will likely stream the game live or get them to put it in their big TV.

#RGV is back!!
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 09:21:58 AMSomeone's feelings got hurt.  Not surprising, as you have zero emotional fortitude and are the definition of a drama king. 

Huh.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 09:38:40 AM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 09:21:58 AMSomeone's feelings got hurt.  Not surprising, as you have zero emotional fortitude and are the definition of a drama king. 

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Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2026, 09:44:50 AM
Quote from: connie on March 01, 2026, 08:12:41 AMI can acknowledge the improvement against a depleted Big East while at the same time remembering my grandmother warning about being fooled by "lipstick on a pig."  The contenders for the last 4 in aren't particularly impressive, but does anyone think we would win more than 3-4 of 10?  Is that even too optimistic?

To be fair, Marquette just played St. John's very tough and almost beat Nova twice. We'll see how they fare next weekend against UConn.

Keep the core, add two starters and a rotation guy in the portal, and you have a tourney team next season.

Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 01, 2026, 10:40:15 AM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2026, 09:44:50 AMKeep the core, add two starters and a rotation guy in the portal, and you have a tourney team next season.
Not guaranteed, but this feels realistic. I'd feel good about MU with that strategy.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: panda on March 01, 2026, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 09:21:58 AMSomeone's feelings got hurt.  Not surprising, as you have zero emotional fortitude and are the definition of a drama king. 

You got embarrassed. What a cope.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: DoctorV on March 01, 2026, 11:10:34 AM
It'll be easy to get extra excited if Marquette snags a few more wins here at the end of the season, especially if they are at MSG. That's because the season was a pretty big dumpster fire by Shaka standards.

It's also easy to forget that Shaka set those standards after a decade of no NCAA tourney wins.

No matter what happens, give the necessary retention that coach prides himself and his system on, Marquette will have a bonafide star pg in Nigel, and very good with the ability to become stars PF in Royce and combo G in Adrien.
That's a decent start to next season. It's on him to put the rest together in a way that's polar opposite to how he did this season.
I'm confident he gets it done
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 01, 2026, 12:00:14 PM
If we start the count on Jan 1, MU is playing like the 4th best team in the Big East.

This seems counterintuitive since Seton Hall has more wins than we do. If we're playing like the 4th best team in the Big East then why are we losing games?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: MU82 on March 01, 2026, 12:01:11 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2026, 09:44:50 AMTo be fair, Marquette just played St. John's very tough and almost beat Nova twice.

This. It doesn't mean we are "good" or have the metrics of a bubble team. It means we have improved.

Instead of getting blown out game after game, we are competitive game after game. Indeed, in the games that have been blowouts these last couple of months, it's Marquette that has won big.

It's not banner-worthy but it is encouraging ... to those who let themselves be encouraged, anyway.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 12:05:02 PM
Quote from: DoctorV on March 01, 2026, 11:10:34 AMIt's also easy to forget that Shaka set those standards after a decade of no NCAA tourney wins.

Shaka didn't set those standards. The university community and fan base set those standards. Shaka achieved them.
When the previous coach failed to achieve them, he got fired. If Shaka fails to continue achieving them, he'll also be fired. That's how this thing works.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2026, 12:33:38 PM
In the grand scheme of things, it may have been for the best long-term interests of the program that Marquette has had one of its worst seasons of the last 40 years.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Ericdonpaul on March 01, 2026, 02:34:39 PM
The play is much more competitive and fun to watch. It was heading towards Chernobyl, now it's more like a contained 3 mile island. Provided healthy and only lose the seniors, this is a tourney team next year. If not ncaa, at least nit or crown. But probably ncaa. Fully expect a double digit victory today.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 02:47:08 PM
Quote from: Ericdonpaul on March 01, 2026, 02:34:39 PMThe play is much more competitive and fun to watch. It was heading towards Chernobyl, now it's more like a contained 3 mile island. Provided healthy and only lose the seniors, this is a tourney team next year. If not ncaa, at least nit or crown. But probably ncaa. Fully expect a double digit victory today.


That's quite the analogy.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: DoctorV on March 01, 2026, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 12:05:02 PMShaka didn't set those standards. The university community and fan base set those standards. Shaka achieved them.
When the previous coach failed to achieve them, he got fired. If Shaka fails to continue achieving them, he'll also be fired. That's how this thing works.

Semantics.

The standards the university community set was getting back into and winning an NCAAt game. Had Shaka have done that in the first 3 seasons he would've been applauded.

Instead, he shattered those expectations.
 
Now, he has one brutal season, and a season with a young core that's one of the better ones in the conference (perhaps by necessity) and folks are up in arms to make a change.

Tranquillo, the man has earned the right to get this thing right
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: DoctorV on March 01, 2026, 02:54:57 PMNow, he has one brutal season, and a season with a young core that's one of the better ones in the conference (perhaps by necessity) and folks are up in arms to make a change.

Tranquillo, the man has earned the right to get this thing right

People keep saying this, but I can't think of a single Scooper who has suggested a coaching change this season (excepts perhaps willie). Who am I missing?
If you mean "up in arms to make a change" in terms of roster philosophy ... some of us were suggesting that long before one brutal season.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 03:13:27 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 03:01:22 PMPeople keep saying this, but I can't think of a single Scooper who has suggested a coaching change this season (excepts perhaps willie). Who am I missing?
If you mean "up in arms to make a change" in terms of roster philosophy ... some of us were suggesting that long before one brutal season.


Drama kings like you and Panda were all twisted suggesting Shaka be put on the hot seat after this season, just because he didn't sign a player out of the portal last off season, and for thinking he had enough talent in the program to compete.

He got burned by the lack of improvement by Chase, Ben, Zaide, Caedin, and Tre.  Most Scoopers didn't think Chase would take a step back toward performing as one of the worst players in the Big East, nor that Zaide wouldn't take a big step up.

Meanwhile, you were a guy backing Wojo for 5 years, yet beating the drum around ginning up support for Shaka being put on the hot seat.  MU hits the jackpot with Shaka and tools like you and Panda think 1 bad year and he's hot seat eligible.  Embarassing for our fanbase.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 03:01:22 PMPeople keep saying this, but I can't think of a single Scooper who has suggested a coaching change this season (excepts perhaps willie). Who am I missing?

Well...Farley...
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 03:21:29 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 03:13:27 PMDrama kings like you and Panda were all twisted suggesting Shaka be put on the hot seat after this season, just because he didn't sign a player out of the portal last off season, and for thinking he had enough talent in the program to compete.

Yeah, we sure got proven wrong there. That'll teach us for stating the obvious.

QuoteMeanwhile, you were a guy backing Wojo for 5 years, yet beating the drum around ginning up support for Shaka being put on the hot seat.  MU hits the jackpot with Shaka and tools like you and Panda think 1 bad year and he's hot seat eligible.  Embarassing for our fanbase.

Why do you lie so much?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 01, 2026, 03:26:11 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 03:14:48 PMWell...Farley...

*Fartley
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 03:41:24 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 03:13:27 PMHe got burned by the lack of improvement by Chase, Ben, Zaide, Caedin, and Tre.  Most Scoopers didn't think Chase would take a step back toward performing as one of the worst players in the Big East, nor that Zaide wouldn't take a big step up.

Are you suggesting that a coach has no control over player improvement?
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: IL Warrior on March 01, 2026, 04:01:09 PM
Really looking like a bubble team today!
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 01, 2026, 04:02:46 PM
Quote from: PaintTouches on February 27, 2026, 03:35:04 PMwhy do I feel this burst of excitement?

Great question!
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 05:28:49 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 03:41:24 PMAre you suggesting that a coach has no control over player improvement?

I'm suggesting a coach can't make baskets for his players.  1st half of the year it was almost beyond belief how many layups/shots at the basket we missed, along with wide open 3s.

Do you think Shaka forgot how to develop players in 1 summer in a 15 year coaching career?  Kolek, Oso, Kam, Stevie, Jop all improved to varying degrees under Shaka. But yep, he forgot how to develop players last summer. 

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink - applies to our players shooting this year, and also the juvenile views of you, Panda, Pakuni, and a handful of other ignorant Scoopers who want to take shots at the best coach MU has had in decades.  Okay, Buzz was probably as good - but he wasn't PC enough for your kind.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Zog from Margo on March 01, 2026, 05:33:41 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 05:28:49 PMI'm suggesting a coach can't make baskets for his players.  1st half of the year it was almost beyond belief how many layups/shots at the basket we missed, along with wide open 3s.

Do you think Shaka forgot how to develop players in 1 summer in a 15 year coaching career?  Kolek, Oso, Kam, Stevie, Jop all improved to varying degrees under Shaka. But yep, he forgot how to develop players last summer. 

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink - applies to our players shooting this year, and also the juvenile views of you, Panda, Pakuni, and a handful of other ignorant Scoopers who want to take shots at the best coach MU has had in decades.  Okay, Buzz was probably as good - but he wasn't PC enough for your kind.

He apparently forgot how to evaluate talent. And he's  never seemed to understand the type of physical players a team needs in the BE.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Pakuni on March 01, 2026, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 05:28:49 PMI'm suggesting a coach can't make baskets for his players.  1st half of the year it was almost beyond belief how many layups/shots at the basket we missed, along with wide open 3s.

It's especially hard when you recruit players who are bad at shooting.

QuoteOkay, Buzz was probably as good - but he wasn't PC enough for your kind.

Reporting sex assault allegations is woke.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: WhiteTrash on March 01, 2026, 05:57:32 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 05:28:49 PMI'm suggesting a coach can't make baskets for his players.  1st half of the year it was almost beyond belief how many layups/shots at the basket we missed, along with wide open 3s.

Do you think Shaka forgot how to develop players in 1 summer in a 15 year coaching career?  Kolek, Oso, Kam, Stevie, Jop all improved to varying degrees under Shaka. But yep, he forgot how to develop players last summer. 

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink - applies to our players shooting this year, and also the juvenile views of you, Panda, Pakuni, and a handful of other ignorant Scoopers who want to take shots at the best coach MU has had in decades.  Okay, Buzz was probably as good - but he wasn't PC enough for your kind.
Yeah, that's just as likely as Shaka forgetting how to evaluate the talent and the development of his players in one summer after 15 years of coaching.

Nether happened. Shaka knew what was coming this season way before everyone. 
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: PointWarrior on March 01, 2026, 06:00:08 PM
No silly - it's the "metrics" of a bubble team.  Slurp, slurp those handpicked metrics. 



Quote from: IL Warrior on March 01, 2026, 04:01:09 PMReally looking like a bubble team today!
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Zog from Margo on March 01, 2026, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 01, 2026, 05:57:32 PMYeah, that's just as likely as Shaka forgetting how to evaluate the talent and the development of his players in one summer after 15 years of coaching.

Nether happened. Shaka knew what was coming this season way before everyone. 


I wish he would have told me before season tickets went on sale. I would have opted for some in the rafters.

I like Shaka, but this season was coaching malpractice. You can choose your poison: poor development; poor strategy; poor recruiting; poor rotations, etc. Needless to say, seasons as inept as this are exceptionally rare at MU and very rare at any solid program.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 06:19:12 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 05:28:49 PMI'm suggesting a coach can't make baskets for his players.  1st half of the year it was almost beyond belief how many layups/shots at the basket we missed, along with wide open 3s.

Do you think Shaka forgot how to develop players in 1 summer in a 15 year coaching career?  Kolek, Oso, Kam, Stevie, Jop all improved to varying degrees under Shaka. But yep, he forgot how to develop players last summer. 

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink - applies to our players shooting this year, and also the juvenile views of you, Panda, Pakuni, and a handful of other ignorant Scoopers who want to take shots at the best coach MU has had in decades.  Okay, Buzz was probably as good - but he wasn't PC enough for your kind.

So we aren't supposed to make legitimate criticisms of this team? So whatever is good is his doing, but anything bad is on the players?

Regardless you have decided to just Shaka off the hook for this season. Very odd.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 01, 2026, 06:21:48 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on March 01, 2026, 06:19:12 PManything bad is on the players?

Nonsense, ners thinks blaming players is a despicable act by fans.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 04, 2025, 12:59:04 PMTalk about jumping to some negative conclusions after 1 game!  A game in which we set a program record for kills, held the opposition to .69 points per possession, and won by 27 on a night where we shoot 5-24 from three - I was very pleased.

Chase Ross was running A LOT of PG during the game - that's the answer to your question about after SJ/Nigel.

Lowery is going to be a stud.  Stevens looks like a great wing.  Nigel showed great promise.  Gold was okay. Owens started slow, but finished well. Tre Norman played a very nice game.  Josh Clark?  Talk about some serious upside potential.  The two guys who didn't play as well as we might expect - Royce and Caedin.

I'd be shocked if this isn't an NCAA team, even if it is a poor shooting 3 point team.
Title: Re: What has changed with Marquette and is it sustainable?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on March 01, 2026, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 01, 2026, 05:28:49 PMI'm suggesting a coach can't make baskets for his players.  1st half of the year it was almost beyond belief how many layups/shots at the basket we missed, along with wide open 3s.

Do you think Shaka forgot how to develop players in 1 summer in a 15 year coaching career?  Kolek, Oso, Kam, Stevie, Jop all improved to varying degrees under Shaka. But yep, he forgot how to develop players last summer. 

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink - applies to our players shooting this year, and also the juvenile views of you, Panda, Pakuni, and a handful of other ignorant Scoopers who want to take shots at the best coach MU has had in decades.  Okay, Buzz was probably as good - but he wasn't PC enough for your kind.

Your opinion is noted, Mrs. Shaka.
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