Poll
Question:
How many should Shaka take/cut
Option 1: 1 (Lowery's void)
Option 2: 2 (Lowery's spot +1)
Option 3: 3 (Lowery's spot +2)
Option 4: 4 (Lowery's spot +3)
Option 5: 5 (Lowery's spot +4)
Option 6: =>6 (Overhaulshima)
Seems to be a topic of the moment... I'll go with 3.
Should? 3.
Reality? 2.
3 out.
I'd guess 3 in.
2026-2027... would be a better title.
1 - I'd be disappointed and concerned
2 - Fair and acceptable
3 - Sweet spot for a 20 loss roster overhaul
4 - Little concerning with that many
5+ - WTF?
I like WT's opinion and have stated before three would hit the sweet spot.
I absolutely do not think we should add more than 3 players unless someone leaves. There are enough young pieces on the roster that should take sizable leaps over the summer that Shaka can "ease into" using the portal without rocking the boat too much.
I think 2 transfers is the right move, but wouldn't be surprised if we bring in 3.
Primary needs:
1. A junior/senior big man with physicality
2. A (taller) combo guard who can play alongside Nigel and fill in at PG.
Secondary needs:
3. Experienced wing that's an elite defender/rebounder. 6'7" - 6'9"
4. A dedicated backup PG who can shoot. 6'3" or taller
As far as the transfers out... I feel bad but any of Tre, Sean, and Caedin can go. I like the idea of having the guys who played with Tyler/Oso/Kam on the roster to keep some of the winning culture around. Tre has been good in spots, but I think he could get PT with an A10 team or go home to Boston College and get paid.
I, too, subscribe to the thought of there being three departures at the end of the season, with ZL already being one of those. RGV does not strictly have to be experienced in an MU jersey; there will undoubtedly be better opportunities (either with playing time, skill level or fit) at other levels.
Whether it is one year or four years, when you put on the Marquette jersey, you are forever part of a storied program. Whomever, and whenever, there are departures, we should remember to be grateful for their team here and wish them all success wherever they end up.
I would not mind Tre staying.
Sean and Hamilton HAVE to go. Sean can get a redshirt and have probably 2 years at Akron or a MAC school. Hamilton...
Nice kid. Fine. How about UC Davis ?
Quote from: Mu8891 on February 20, 2026, 12:08:40 PMI would not mind Tre staying.
Sean and Hamilton HAVE to go. Sean can get a redshirt and have probably 2 years at Akron or a MAC school. Hamilton...
Nice kid. Fine. How about UC Davis ?
I agree with you on those two leaving. BUT, after attending the radio show last night, I do not feel 18 is leaving. His parents were there in person from California and Shaka gushed over 18 and how he is the best defender on the team by PPP when he is on the floor. It was nearly a 5 minute love fest by Shaka.
3 more out in addition to Zaide for a total of 4.
3 in from the portal and maybe another mid season RS Freshman add like Walker or at late FR add in the summer like Sheek.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 20, 2026, 12:17:21 PM3 more out in addition to Zaide for a total of 4.
3 in from the portal and maybe another mid season RS Freshman add like Walker or at late FR add in the summer like Sheek.
Exactly what I would want as well. But I am guessing Shaka gets 2 in total.
Quote from: MUbiz on February 20, 2026, 12:14:32 PMI agree with you on those two leaving. BUT, after attending the radio show last night, I do not feel 18 is leaving. His parents were there in person from California and Shaka gushed over 18 and how he is the best defender on the team by PPP when he is on the floor. It was nearly a 5 minute love fest by Shaka.
An example of how deceptive stats can be. Hamilton is decent against the post-up but is lost when he hedges screens or is forced to switch. MU needs three transfers, IMO.
Quote from: MUbiz on February 20, 2026, 12:14:32 PMI agree with you on those two leaving. BUT, after attending the radio show last night, I do not feel 18 is leaving. His parents were there in person from California and Shaka gushed over 18 and how he is the best defender on the team by PPP when he is on the floor. It was nearly a 5 minute love fest by Shaka.
That is disappointing to hear. It's disconcerting to see someone that you think is pretty darn good at his job making a grievous error in judgment.
ideally it would be three out, two in, and one held for a midyear enrollee like Nash
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 20, 2026, 12:25:21 PMAn example of how deceptive stats can be. Hamilton is decent against the post-up but is lost when he hedges screens or is forced to switch. MU needs three transfers, IMO.
Who? Are you talking about 18? I've never heard of this Hamilston guy?
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2026, 12:31:26 PMWho? Are you talking about 18? I've never heard of this Hamilston guy?
Lmfaooooo
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 20, 2026, 12:28:16 PMThat is disappointing to hear. It's disconcerting to see someone that you think is pretty darn good at his job making a grievous error in judgment.
Starts about 20:40 into the video and ends about 27 min into the video. You can judge for yourself and see if you feel the way I do after watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN8YnrPkRpw
For me one between Caedin and Clark has to leave. Can't carry 2 projects. Bring in a defensive center via portal to start, Pearson as backup and minutes at the 4. the remaining project center only plays in case of foul trouble. Sean gone, need a reliable backup point. Need a known 3 pt shooter via the portal. If all that happens you can keep Tre. Has played OK and might make a senior run
Quote from: MUbiz on February 20, 2026, 12:14:32 PMI agree with you on those two leaving. BUT, after attending the radio show last night, I do not feel 18 is leaving. His parents were there in person from California and Shaka gushed over 18 and how he is the best defender on the team by PPP when he is on the floor. It was nearly a 5 minute love fest by Shaka.
Listened to that last night. It certainly did not sound as if CH is going anywhere.
Quote from: MUbiz on February 20, 2026, 12:35:20 PMStarts about 20:40 into the video and ends about 27 min into the video. You can judge for yourself and see if you feel the way I do after watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN8YnrPkRpw
Coach speak with Hamilton on the show.
Plus/minus has been generally debunked as a good measure of individual player importance or quality of play.
It would be fine if he returns if the team need more bigs for practice and 5 min a game of play.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 20, 2026, 12:53:59 PMListened to that last night. It certainly did not sound as if CH is going anywhere.
Or is he trying to do CH 'a solid' going into the portal?
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2026, 12:31:26 PMWho? Are you talking about 18? I've never heard of this Hamilston guy?
Don't be disrespectful
I think 2 of Hamilton, Clark, jones and Norman leave. I also think we'll see one outside of the above group leave as well.
I honestly never thought Hamilton would be one of the ones leaving. I actually don't think Tre is leaving either. I think it will be Jones and Clark.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 01:03:32 PMI honestly never thought Hamilton would be one of the ones leaving. I actually don't think Tre is leaving either. I think it will be Jones and Clark.
Out of curiosity, why do you think Clark will go?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 20, 2026, 01:16:22 PMOut of curiosity, why do you think Clark will go?
I just think he is such a project that he's taking a similar path to Amadou and Keeyan.
A month ago I wouldn't have thought Clark would be one of the transfers out. But Shaka doesn't play the kid even 1 minute in games anymore, and that seems like a signal.
Quote from: MU82 on February 20, 2026, 01:28:34 PMdoesn't play the kid even 1 minute in games anymore, and that seems like a signal.
I can't explain @X, but he was sick (per Ben Steele) vs. SJU.
Put me down for 4 out, 3 in. Keep 1 spot open for maybe a 4th transfer in or future use.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 20, 2026, 12:31:26 PMWho? Are you talking about 18? I've never heard of this Hamilston guy?
I laughed during the game when Mike Jackobowski said......" Now entering the game......number 18......
Caedin Hamilton."
Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 01:18:12 PMI just think he is such a project that he's taking a similar path to Amadou and Keeyan.
I hope not. 7'1". 3rd big. No risk. In two years..... could be serviceable.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 01:03:32 PMI honestly never thought Hamilton would be one of the ones leaving. I actually don't think Tre is leaving either. I think it will be Jones and Clark.
Hamilton has a coach in his corner who supports him and backs him to grow.
It doesn't make any sense to anyone away from the program but inside those four walls, he is a highly valued member of the team.
Quote from: MUbiz on February 20, 2026, 12:14:32 PMI agree with you on those two leaving. BUT, after attending the radio show last night, I do not feel 18 is leaving. His parents were there in person from California and Shaka gushed over 18 and how he is the best defender on the team by PPP when he is on the floor. It was nearly a 5 minute love fest by Shaka.
"Yeah so Caedin's parents flew in from California for this show, let me talk at length about how horrible he is in all facets of the game."
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 20, 2026, 12:25:21 PMAn example of how deceptive stats can be. Hamilton is decent against the post-up but is lost when he hedges screens or is forced to switch.
Plus this team's defense is bad in general.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 20, 2026, 02:55:47 PMI hope not. 7'1". 3rd big. No risk. In two years..... could be serviceable.
Sounds exciting.
If marquette is serious about winning....
Norman is gone
Sean is gone
Lowery (already gone)
Hamilton is a slighty different story, gone, but a possibility of becoming okay.
Theres your 4 right there
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 03:48:24 PMIf marquette is serious about winning....
Norman is gone
Sean is gone
Lowery (already gone)
Hamilton is a slighty different story, gone, but a possibility of becoming okay.
Theres your 4 right there
Marquette is serious about winning. My guess is 3 of the four you list are gone.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 20, 2026, 03:50:03 PMMarquette is serious about winning. My guess is 3 of the four you list are gone.
Are you on the trey stays float?
I cant see why a senior would A) want to be the 3rd pg on the roster and B) why marquette would want a 4 year senior as the 3rd string pg
Unless your talking about Hamilton. I've got mixed feelings about him, but think out of the 4 he would be the one to stay.
Quote from: Mu8891 on February 20, 2026, 12:08:40 PMI would not mind Tre staying.
Sean and Hamilton HAVE to go. Sean can get a redshirt and have probably 2 years at Akron or a MAC school. Hamilton...
Nice kid. Fine. How about UC Davis ?
Sean is 100% gone and going to attempt to claim a medical redshirt. As soon as Nigel had his breakout, Sean got "hurt" and hasn't been seen in uniform since.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 03:54:51 PMSean is 100% gone and going to attempt to claim a medical redshirt. As soon as Nigel had his breakout, Sean got "hurt" and hasn't been seen in uniform since.
*Medical hardship waiver.
Don't get scolded by JayBee.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 03:52:42 PMUnless your talking about Hamilton. I've got mixed feelings about him, but think out of the 4 he would be the one to stay.
I don't want to go through another offseason of Shaka going, 'but seriously, it's gonna work this time, I promise!' He's in his third year of the program and Shaka was gushing about how he set a really good screen on his radio show. There's nothing there.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 03:52:42 PMAre you on the trey stays float?
I cant see why a senior would A) want to be the 3rd pg on the roster and B) why marquette would want a 4 year senior as the 3rd string pg
Unless your talking about Hamilton. I've got mixed feelings about him, but think out of the 4 he would be the one to stay.
Honestly you would keep a guy like Tre around for what he brings to the locker room. If that's all he wants...
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 03:52:42 PMAre you on the trey stays float?
I cant see why a senior would A) want to be the 3rd pg on the roster and B) why marquette would want a 4 year senior as the 3rd string pg
Unless your talking about Hamilton. I've got mixed feelings about him, but think out of the 4 he would be the one to stay.
I'm guessing Tre and Sean will be gone. I'd like for one of Caedin or Josh to be gone, preferably Caedin.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 20, 2026, 04:15:25 PMI don't want to go through another offseason of Shaka going, 'but seriously, it's gonna work this time, I promise!' He's in his third year of the program and Shaka was gushing about how he set a really good screen on his radio show. There's nothing there.
I do not disagree with this analysis.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 04:21:30 PMHonestly you would keep a guy like Tre around for what he brings to the locker room. If that's all he wants...
Ahhh the good old "locker room glue guy" is usually just a term for a terrible player who's been around to long.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 01:03:32 PMI honestly never thought Hamilton would be one of the ones leaving. I actually don't think Tre is leaving either. I think it will be Jones and Clark.
This is my official prediction as well.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 04:21:30 PMHonestly you would keep a guy like Tre around for what he brings to the locker room. If that's all he wants...
Yup. He'd be the 2026-27 Matt Heldt.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 04:28:26 PMAhhh the good old "locker room glue guy" is usually just a term for a terrible player who's been around to long.
I mean, coaches all over the place talk about experienced guys who may not have the most talent but can be a role model for the younger players.
Odd that you would downplay that.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 06:21:16 PMI mean, coaches all over the place talk about experienced guys who may not have the most talent but can be a role model for the younger players.
Odd that you would downplay that.
If you take trey as an experienced role model. Sure go for it.
I'll gladly see his exit for someone who can ball.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 07:58:06 PMIf you take trey as an experienced role model. Sure go for it.
I'll gladly see his exit for someone who can ball.
Exactly - I don't see the value in keeping around deadweight for "leadership" purposes.
Daryl Morsell was an awesome leader an example for our, then, young guns.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 07:58:06 PMIf you take trey as an experienced role model. Sure go for it.
I'll gladly see his exit for someone who can ball.
I'll leave it up to Shaka...with 15 scholarships there is plenty of room for both.
Shaka isn't going to abandon both his beloved RGV brand and the poster child of it. Having Caedin hit the road and staring for Humbolt State next year is the umtimate sign RGV failed.
Quote from: panda on February 20, 2026, 08:12:02 PMExactly - I don't see the value in keeping around deadweight for "leadership" purposes.
Daryl Morsell was an awesome leader an example for our, then, young guns.
Ya I fully don't understand the "hey guys listen to the 22 year old who's pegged to the end of our bench" as the experienced D1 athlete who they should be listening to.
Im sure it makes a lot more sense in the NBA when you have a 38 year old who's been in the league for 16 years, who just doesn't have the ability anymore.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 20, 2026, 09:17:40 PMShaka isn't going to abandon both his beloved RGV brand and the poster child of it. Having Caedin hit the road and staring for Humbolt State next year is the umtimate sign RGV failed.
how about trey Norman coming as the 7th man for Dayton?
Bottom line, you can keep one of the centers if you bring in one, to me, we have seen enough of Caedin. If he stays, which is possible, he gets his degree next year, then he is gone. Like to have at least 3 scholarships going forward.
I think a lot of this is answered by the teams goal for next year. If they feel they can retain everyone two years and that's the next big year then they might just bring in a couple decent guys to get us back to competitive and in the tournament. If they're trying to get back to a 2 seed competing for a conference championship then they're going to have to drop big bags and probably 4 of them
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 10:07:42 PMYa I fully don't understand the "hey guys listen to the 22 year old who's pegged to the end of our bench" as the experienced D1 athlete who they should be listening to.
Im sure it makes a lot more sense in the NBA when you have a 38 year old who's been in the league for 16 years, who just doesn't have the ability anymore.
Do you seriously not understand this? Or are you being intentionally obtuse? Because I have heard coaches at all levels and in all sports talk about experienced players who set an example for newcomers. Leading the off-season drills. First in the weightroom, etc.
I am not saying that Tre is that - I have no idea. But if he is, and Shaka wants him around, that's fine with me. There are 15 roster spots. 8-9 are actual rotation players...3-4 are up-and-coming...so that leaves a couple glue guys who can play in a pinch but carry the culture of the program. Basically they are taking up spots that walk-ons used to take. No big deal to me.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 21, 2026, 06:50:45 AMDo you seriously not understand this? Or are you being intentionally obtuse? Because I have heard coaches at all levels and in all sports talk about experienced players who set an example for newcomers. Leading the off-season drills. First in the weightroom, etc.
I am not saying that Tre is that - I have no idea. But if he is, and Shaka wants him around, that's fine with me. There are 15 roster spots. 8-9 are actual rotation players...3-4 are up-and-coming...so that leaves a couple glue guys who can play in a pinch but carry the culture of the program. Basically they are taking up spots that walk-ons used to take. No big deal to me.
Rofl.
Trey sucks.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 21, 2026, 07:23:26 AMRofl.
Trey sucks.
Yeah, as usual you can't counter any legitimate argument. I win again.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 20, 2026, 11:51:02 PMI think a lot of this is answered by the teams goal for next year. If they feel they can retain everyone two years and that's the next big year then they might just bring in a couple decent guys to get us back to competitive and in the tournament. If they're trying to get back to a 2 seed competing for a conference championship then they're going to have to drop big bags and probably 4 of them
Next year is make or break for Shaka.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 21, 2026, 07:30:34 AMYeah, as usual you can't counter any legitimate argument. I win again.
Adds -sultan thinks Trey Norman should stay- to sultans "wins"
I'll chalk that one right up next to being a projo. Pro Trey? It autocorrects to progress, so its pretty ironic.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 21, 2026, 06:50:45 AMDo you seriously not understand this? Or are you being intentionally obtuse? Because I have heard coaches at all levels and in all sports talk about experienced players who set an example for newcomers. Leading the off-season drills. First in the weightroom, etc.
I am not saying that Tre is that - I have no idea. But if he is, and Shaka wants him around, that's fine with me. There are 15 roster spots. 8-9 are actual rotation players...3-4 are up-and-coming...so that leaves a couple glue guys who can play in a pinch but carry the culture of the program. Basically they are taking up spots that walk-ons used to take. No big deal to me.
I mean this in the most respectful way both to you and the players (18 etc) but a walk on can serve that exact same role you just described and provide the same benefit to the team.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 20, 2026, 10:08:33 PMhow about trey Norman coming as the 7th man for Dayton?
7th man for Merrimack, MAAC Champions.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 21, 2026, 07:50:06 AM7th man for Merrimack, MAAC Champions.
No no, sultan already declared victory.
Mission accomplished!
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:49:20 AMI mean this in the most respectful way both to you and the players (18 etc) but a walk on can serve that exact same role you just described and provide the same benefit to the team.
But there aren't room for walk ons post House. There are 15 roster spots and Shaka is filling out all 15 scholarships.
There is nothing wrong with Tre or Caedin on the roster. There is something wrong if they're expected to significantly contribute.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 21, 2026, 08:11:45 AMBut there aren't room for walk ons post House. There are 15 roster spots and Shaka is filling out all 15 scholarships.
There is nothing wrong with Tre or Caedin on the roster. There is something wrong if they're expected to significantly contribute.
My god he's on a roll! 😆
Sultan clearly "knows" ball.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:38:21 AMNext year is make or break for Shaka.
Lol. Nice troll.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 08:46:17 AMLol. Nice troll.
That was in response to a poster saying Shaka could potentially build next years roster with a rebuilding mindset and retain everyone.
"Bring in a couple decent guys to get us back to competitive" was the exact quote.
How is that acceptable after this season? Do you think that will tolerated?
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 08:58:15 AMThat was in response to a poster saying Shaka could potentially build next years roster with a rebuilding mindset and retain everyone.
"Bring in a couple decent guys to get us back to competitive" was the exact quote.
How is that acceptable after this season? Do you think that will tolerated?
After one bad season scoop is back to wanting nothing more then mediocrity.
Weve got at least one poster saying he would welcome caedin and trey back.
Its like the wojo years up in here.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 21, 2026, 09:46:11 AMWeve got at least one poster saying he would welcome caedin and trey back.
If you are talking about me here, I think you really need to go back and read a little more carefully. If Shaka brings in 3 or 4 transfers who clearly upgrade the talent next year, AND Shaka wants either or both of them back, that is absolutely fine with me.
There's 15 roster spots. They aren't going to be able to fill all 15 with star players...they don't have the NIL to do that anyway.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 21, 2026, 07:23:26 AMRofl.
Trey sucks.
This is the response of someone with nothing substantive to say.
If other guys leave, there is room on the roster to carry a Tre or Caedin next season without having to worry about them playing important minutes.
All that really matters is that 2 of Sean, Tre, Caedin, and Josh move on.
It's seems obvious Sean will go elsewhere. That leaves one more of the remaining three.
Personally, I think Tre has the best chance to move down a level and play significant minutes of those 3, but I have no issues if he stays as long as we're able to bring in 3 new guys.
Personally, I'd prefer Josh stay due to his length.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:00:19 AMThis is the response of someone with nothing substantive to say.
If other guys leave, there is room on the roster to carry a Tre or Caedin next season without having to worry about them playing important minutes.
All that really matters is that 2 of Sean, Tre, Caedin, and Josh move on.
It's seems obvious Sean will go elsewhere. That leaves one more of the remaining three.
Personally, I think Tre has the best chance to move down a level and play significant minutes of those 3, but I have no issues if he stays as long as we're able to bring in 3 new guys.
Personally, I'd prefer Josh stay due to his length.
Shaka staring at Caedin next year after *hopefully bringing in many capable upgrades
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:00:19 AMThis is the response of someone with nothing substantive to say.
If other guys leave, there is room on the roster to carry a Tre or Caedin next season without having to worry about them playing important minutes.
All that really matters is that 2 of Sean, Tre, Caedin, and Josh move on.
It's seems obvious Sean will go elsewhere. That leaves one more of the remaining three.
Personally, I think Tre has the best chance to move down a level and play significant minutes of those 3, but I have no issues if he stays as long as we're able to bring in 3 new guys.
Personally, I'd prefer Josh stay due to his length.
Yes. There's going to be non-contributing players at the end of the bench regardless.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 21, 2026, 08:11:45 AMBut there aren't room for walk ons post House. There are 15 roster spots and Shaka is filling out all 15 scholarships.
#FakeNews #Lies
However, I'm ignorant as to what will go on past this year - does anyone here know (not think, but know with a high level of confidence)?
There was an exception provided this year.. obviously we do have walk-ons on our roster. I don't know if guys get grandfathered in for the rest of their five year clock, or if it's just this year and then they are kicked to the curb -- anyone know the implementation provisions here?
Can the old walk-ons become simply practice players? They practice with the team, but don't dress, can't play, etc.. they are just dudes that show up to practice with the team.. I suppose similar to what you see with some girl's teams.. maybe we call them managers... instead of walk-ons, and the days of them making an appearance at the end of a rout are gone (not an issue for MU, hey)?
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 21, 2026, 10:29:48 AM#FakeNews #Lies
However, I'm ignorant as to what will go on past this year - does anyone here know (not think, but know with a high level of confidence)?
There was an exception provided this year.. obviously we do have walk-ons on our roster. I don't know if guys get grandfathered in for the rest of their five year clock, or if it's just this year and then they are kicked to the curb -- anyone know the implementation provisions here?
Can the old walk-ons become simply practice players? They practice with the team, but don't dress, can't play, etc.. they are just dudes that show up to practice with the team.. I suppose similar to what you see with some girl's teams.. maybe we call them managers... instead of walk-ons, and the days of them making an appearance at the end of a rout are gone (not an issue for MU, hey)?
At the risk of derailing the thread (why not, it seems the norm) our walk-ons this year have played a combined 2 1/2 minutes. A reflection of how poorly we've played? They are not scholarship players by definition. Next year do we have 15 scholarship players AND walk-ons? Or have I missed something about walk-ons not being allowed with the expansion of rosters?
Quote from: romey on February 21, 2026, 10:42:15 AMAt the risk of derailing the thread (why not, it seems the norm) our walk-ons this year have played a combined 2 1/2 minutes. A reflection of how poorly we've played? They are not scholarship players by definition. Next year do we have 15 scholarship players AND walk-ons? Or have I missed something about walk-ons not being allowed with the expansion of rosters?
I think you missed something, but again this is a RARE instance where my ignorance level is high. The scholarship limits were INCREASED to 15; however, a roster limit of that same amount was introduced, with some exceptions. So, I think soon, there are no walk-ons that can participate in games. You're maxed out at 15 and they are all on scholarship.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 10:02:21 AMShaka staring at Caedin next year after *hopefully bringing in many capable upgrades
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Right, which is why of everyone on the roster, he needs to go. I don't think we're seeing anything less than what was expected of Tre, but we are of Caedin. And for the second year in a row.
Caedin is only ever playing when Gold or Royce get into foul trouble. It's either him or Josh that need to come in. He's otherwise been glued to the bench since Royce replaced him in the starting lineup.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2026, 11:28:31 AMCaedin is only ever playing when Gold or Royce get into foul trouble. It's either him or Josh that need to come in. He's otherwise been glued to the bench since Royce replaced him in the starting lineup.
He was glued to the bench last year after it was clear he didn't have the stuff to play and yet this year he began the year in the starting lineup. The staff's evaluation of him is a problem.
Trying to figure out, how a staff watches the video of his games, they do not see what the scoopers see?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 21, 2026, 11:28:31 AMCaedin is only ever playing when Gold or Royce get into foul trouble. It's either him or Josh that need to come in. He's otherwise been glued to the bench since Royce replaced him in the starting lineup.
#FakeNews #Lies
Last game: 16:01 on the clock, 18 comes in off the bench. Royce and Ben with zero fouls. Stays in for two minutes. He's still part of the regular rotation, though it's muted.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 21, 2026, 11:33:30 AMHe was glued to the bench last year after it was clear he didn't have the stuff to play and yet this year he began the year in the starting lineup. The staff's evaluation of him is a problem.
He's a stud in practice, or so I've been told.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:38:21 AMNext year is make or break for Shaka.
It really isn't. If we get back to the tournament while retaining the core that's fine. It's not "we need a 2 seed again or he's gone!"
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 21, 2026, 09:46:11 AMAfter one bad season scoop is back to wanting nothing more then mediocrity.
Weve got at least one poster saying he would welcome caedin and trey back.
Its like the wojo years up in here.
First, this isn't a "bad season" this is a historically bad season. You'd need to go back to when my wife's parents were in college (arguably need to go to back to when my wife's grandparents were in school) to find a season this bad. Let's quit minimizing it as just a "bad season" that was what 2013/14 was, this is miserable.
Second, I don't want mediocrity. I want a strategy. If our plan is setting up for a huge season two years down, then I'm ok with a 7-11 seed next year. Just plug a few pieces to get us over the hump. If the plan is now win as much as possible immediately then time to get as many stars as possible.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2026, 12:32:00 PMIt really isn't. If we get back to the tournament while retaining the core that's fine. It's not "we need a 2 seed again or he's gone!"
First, this isn't a "bad season" this is a historically bad season. You'd need to go back to when my wife's parents were in college (arguably need to go to back to when my wife's grandparents were in school) to find a season this bad. Let's quit minimizing it as just a "bad season" that was what 2013/14 was, this is miserable.
Second, I don't want mediocrity. I want a strategy. If our plan is setting up for a huge season two years down, then I'm ok with a 7-11 seed next year. Just plug a few pieces to get us over the hump. If the plan is now win as much as possible immediately then time to get as many stars as possible.
Any season where marquette isn't competitive is a bad a season. It doesn't matter how bad, 10-20 5-25 13-19 15-15? The goal every year should be being an ncaa tournament team. Anything lower than being on the realistic bubble is an objective failure. It doesn't matter how hard one fails.
Shaka tried something, it clearly didn't work. He gets a one season pass for the rapidly changing college atmosphere and the attempt at rgv.
Its time to rid ourselves of this sentiment, its clearly not sustainable.
This includes cutting the fat. Players like Trey who can barely find time off the bench, people like caedin who don't belong in D1 basketball, Josh gets a 2nd chance to ball.
Keeping players (and paying them) who clearly don't belong in major D1 basketball to stay on the end of the bench of 15 players is asinine.
These are nothing more then scholarshipped walk on with no hope or potential to make a difference.
If Shaka uses all 15, the end of the bench better be filled with young projects who would have a hope of being a difference maker in a couple years.
But people like sultan believe in "glue" guys. ;D
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2026, 12:32:00 PMIt really isn't. If we get back to the tournament while retaining the core that's fine. It's not "we need a 2 seed again or he's gone!"
First, this isn't a "bad season" this is a historically bad season. You'd need to go back to when my wife's parents were in college (arguably need to go to back to when my wife's grandparents were in school) to find a season this bad. Let's quit minimizing it as just a "bad season" that was what 2013/14 was, this is miserable.
Second, I don't want mediocrity. I want a strategy. If our plan is setting up for a huge season two years down, then I'm ok with a 7-11 seed next year. Just plug a few pieces to get us over the hump. If the plan is now win as much as possible immediately then time to get as many stars as possible.
Yes it is. That's not me saying it. That's coming from the folks who write the checks.
There is a reason there's been multiple public announcements of changes in philosophy.
If the results don't come with change, it's curtains.
Marquette has the most losses since the 1964-1965 season staying with the status quo or close to the status quo would be...........
Would prefer to error on the the side of more transfers rather than less to get the best roster
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 21, 2026, 01:51:38 PMMarquette the most losses since the 1964-1965 season staying with the status quo or close to the status quo would be...........
Would prefer to error on the the side of more transfers rather than less to get the best roster
But think of our glue guys!
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 08:58:15 AMThat was in response to a poster saying Shaka could potentially build next years roster with a rebuilding mindset and retain everyone.
"Bring in a couple decent guys to get us back to competitive" was the exact quote.
How is that acceptable after this season? Do you think that will tolerated?
Tolerated? By drama kings like you? No. By rational MU fans, yes. If Sean transfers out, and Shaka has Zaide and Sean's roster spots to use - and is able to afford/land two transfers or roughly the caliber of Morsell and Kur Kuath - next year's team even with Tre and Caedin on the roster (assuming no transfers out of Nigel, Stevens, Parham, Owens) will be an NCAA team.
The team is playing much better the last 6 weeks - like a fringe bubble team - despite subpar seasons from our two seniors in Chase and Ben.
Some Scoopers just like being miserable and angsty for the sake of being miserable and angsty.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 02:09:26 PMTolerated? By drama kings like you? No. By rational MU fans, yes. If Sean transfers out, and Shaka has Zaide and Sean's roster spots to use - and is able to afford/land two transfers or roughly the caliber of Morsell and Kur Kuath - next year's team even with Tre and Caedin on the roster (assuming no transfers out of Nigel, Stevens, Parham, Owens) will be an NCAA team.
The team is playing much better the last 6 weeks - like a fringe bubble team - despite subpar seasons from our two seniors in Chase and Ben.
Some Scoopers just like being miserable and angsty for the sake of being miserable and angsty.
Just to summarize - since 1/10 (6 weeks ago) we are 3-9 with zero road wins and zero quad one wins. That is not even remotely close to a bubble team. Stop with this nonsense.
It's hard to predict next years results without knowledge of who will be here, but based off of 2 incoming transfers, we do not have remotely enough depth to compete next season. Too many freshmen and sophomores who have yet to prove themselves. Teams who barely get to 10 wins in a season don't double their win total by only adding 2 pieces. That's not drama, it's reality.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 21, 2026, 11:33:30 AMHe was glued to the bench last year after it was clear he didn't have the stuff to play and yet this year he began the year in the starting lineup. The staff's evaluation of him is a problem.
Agreed. They understand he can't play at this level. Took them too long to realize it.
They need a scoring wing bad, somebody that can get 12-15 game. Owens and Phillips not that player. Is Militic which I doubt, that leaves 2 freshman. I would not be to disappointed if Owens left as well.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 02:25:35 PMJust to summarize - since 1/10 (6 weeks ago) we are 3-9 with zero road wins and zero quad one wins. That is not even remotely close to a bubble team. Stop with this nonsense.
It's hard to predict next years results without knowledge of who will be here, but based off of 2 incoming transfers, we do not have remotely enough depth to compete next season. Too many freshmen and sophomores who have yet to prove themselves. Teams who barely get to 10 wins in a season don't double their win total by only adding 2 pieces. That's not drama, it's reality.
T-Rank for Jan 10 - present has us at 62 - which traditionally is bubble land.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2026&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20260109&end=20260222&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Go back a month to January 19th and we are 3-5 and we rank 51st.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2026&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20260119&end=20260222&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Or we can do the thing where we only look at calendar year - you know like last season's 2024 great results didn't matter for those wanting to trash Shaka - We rank 61st since January 1.
Is 61st even average by program standards in the last 25 years? No. But we are probably about a 35ish program in the last 25 years. So how we are playing with a young roster for the last two months isn't a huge departure from where our program has been the last 25 years.
But you and others want to suggest Shaka should be on the hot seat - the guy who in 4 years has lead us to our two best KenPom end of season rankings in the last 25 years - yes even better than the Final Four team.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 04:15:29 PMT-Rank for Jan 10 - present has us at 62 - which traditionally is bubble land.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2026&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20260109&end=20260222&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Go back a month to January 19th and we are 3-5 and we rank 51st.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2026&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20260119&end=20260222&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Or we can do the thing where we only look at calendar year - you know like last season's 2024 great results didn't matter for those wanting to trash Shaka - We rank 61st since January 1.
Is 61st even average by program standards in the last 25 years? No. But we are probably about a 35ish program in the last 25 years. So how we are playing with a young roster for the last two months isn't a huge departure from where our program has been the last 25 years.
But you and others want to suggest Shaka should be on the hot seat - the guy who in 4 years has lead us to our two best KenPom end of season rankings in the last 25 years - yes even better than the Final Four team.
There are only 36 at large bids. 62 is absolutely nowhere near the bubble
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 04:15:29 PMT-Rank for Jan 10 - present has us at 62 - which traditionally is bubble land.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2026&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20260109&end=20260222&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Go back a month to January 19th and we are 3-5 and we rank 51st.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2026&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&begin=20260119&end=20260222&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
Or we can do the thing where we only look at calendar year - you know like last season's 2024 great results didn't matter for those wanting to trash Shaka - We rank 61st since January 1.
Is 61st even average by program standards in the last 25 years? No. But we are probably about a 35ish program in the last 25 years. So how we are playing with a young roster for the last two months isn't a huge departure from where our program has been the last 25 years.
But you and others want to suggest Shaka should be on the hot seat - the guy who in 4 years has lead us to our two best KenPom end of season rankings in the last 25 years - yes even better than the Final Four team.
Now substitute "Wojo" for "Shaka" and tell everyone you'd be okay with those results. If you can't admit your analysis would be the complete opposite you're being intellectually dishonest.
#shakaslurper
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 02:09:26 PMTolerated? By drama kings like you? No. By rational MU fans, yes. If Sean transfers out, and Shaka has Zaide and Sean's roster spots to use - and is able to afford/land two transfers or roughly the caliber of Morsell and Kur Kuath - next year's team even with Tre and Caedin on the roster (assuming no transfers out of Nigel, Stevens, Parham, Owens) will be an NCAA team.
The team is playing much better the last 6 weeks - like a fringe bubble team - despite subpar seasons from our two seniors in Chase and Ben.
Some Scoopers just like being miserable and angsty for the sake of being miserable and angsty.
Marquette in the last 6 weeks would not only NOT be a bubble team. They wouldn't even be in close consideration.
Losing close games against middle of the road big east teams (in a down big east) is not bubble material.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 21, 2026, 03:51:31 PMThey need a scoring wing bad, somebody that can get 12-15 game. Owens and Phillips not that player. Is Militic which I doubt, that leaves 2 freshman. I would not be to disappointed if Owens left as well.
Owen's to me absolutely seems like a 12-15ppg player to me. Defense is his issue.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 12:49:01 PMYes it is. That's not me saying it. That's coming from the folks who write the checks.
There is a reason there's been multiple public announcements of changes in philosophy.
If the results don't come with change, it's curtains.
You willing to put your money where your mouth is that Shakas fired if we get a 7 seed or greater?
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk, so I'm just going to say it: I don't give a damn whether or not Tre, Sean, or Josh leave. But I want Caedin gone. Mainly because he has no business playing high major basketball, and perhaps even D1 basketball altogether. But it goes beyond that.
He is not only the poster boy for RGV, he is the embodiment of everything that has gone wrong during this disastrous season. From referring to himself as "the biggest, baddest m'fer in the Big East" in that stupid pre-season article, to the well-embedded moles, to his obvious status as the coach's pet, his presence on the team is Example 1A of the echo chamber everyone associated with the program was living in before this awful campaign began.
People say Shaka doesn't owe the fans anything, but after the worst season in program history, I think he owes us a pound of flesh. And for me, that means getting rid of Caedin.
All 4 of those kids are not worth keeping. We will see how Shaka deals with this.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 02:25:35 PMJust to summarize - since 1/10 (6 weeks ago) we are 3-9 with zero road wins and zero quad one wins. That is not even remotely close to a bubble team. Stop with this nonsense.
It's hard to predict next years results without knowledge of who will be here, but based off of 2 incoming transfers, we do not have remotely enough depth to compete next season. Too many freshmen and sophomores who have yet to prove themselves. Teams who barely get to 10 wins in a season don't double their win total by only adding 2 pieces. That's not drama, it's reality.
2 hypothetical pieces?
Counting is hard.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on February 21, 2026, 06:22:54 PMI don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk
You should have just stopped right there.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 06:56:38 PM2 hypothetical pieces?
Counting is hard.
" Tolerated? By drama kings like you? No. By rational MU fans, yes. If Sean transfers out, and Shaka has Zaide and Sean's roster spots to use - and is able to afford/land two transfers or roughly the caliber of Morsell and Kur Kuath - next year's team even with Tre and Caedin on the roster (assuming no transfers out of Nigel, Stevens, Parham, Owens) will be an NCAA team."
This is musk's post which I responded to.
Zaide = 1
Sean = 2
Do you understand or should I make it simpler for you?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 21, 2026, 05:51:43 PMYou willing to put your money where your mouth is that Shakas fired if we get a 7 seed or greater?
He shouldn't/wont get fired making the tournament. But he's gone if he misses it.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:11:55 PM" Tolerated? By drama kings like you? No. By rational MU fans, yes. If Sean transfers out, and Shaka has Zaide and Sean's roster spots to use - and is able to afford/land two transfers or roughly the caliber of Morsell and Kur Kuath - next year's team even with Tre and Caedin on the roster (assuming no transfers out of Nigel, Stevens, Parham, Owens) will be an NCAA team."
This is musk's post which I responded to.
Zaide = 1
Sean = 2
Do you understand or should I make it simpler for you?
Oh, so not a single redshirt or freshman will contribute next season?
Check this out - you can use the help:
https://www.sesamestreet.org/parents/learning-areas/math
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on February 21, 2026, 06:22:54 PMI don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk, so I'm just going to say it: I don't give a damn whether or not Tre, Sean, or Josh leave. But I want Caedin gone. Mainly because he has no business playing high major basketball, and perhaps even D1 basketball altogether. But it goes beyond that.
He is not only the poster boy for RGV, he is the embodiment of everything that has gone wrong during this disastrous season. From referring to himself as "the biggest, baddest m'fer in the Big East" in that stupid pre-season article, to the well-embedded moles, to his obvious status as the coach's pet, his presence on the team is Example 1A of the echo chamber everyone associated with the program was living in before this awful campaign began.
People say Shaka doesn't owe the fans anything, but after the worst season in program history, I think he owes us a pound of flesh. And for me, that means getting rid of Caedin.
I don't agree with all of this, but Biggie is making a point within there: Caedin was a zero star recruit and has played like a zero star recruit. Time for it to be over. His recruitment is a huge part of the reason why this is the worst MU team in the last 30 years.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 07:19:50 PMOh, so not a single redshirt or freshman will contribute next season?
Check this out - you can use the help:
https://www.sesamestreet.org/parents/learning-areas/math
Sheek will have a role to play. We'll see how he can adjust. Bigs have a harder time than guards making an instant impact their freshman year. Otherwise, no I don't see any other freshman or RS freshman as players who will positively change the course of season next year.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:26:02 PMSheek will have a role to play. We'll see how he can adjust. Bigs have a harder time than guards making an instant impact their freshman year. Otherwise, no I don't see any other freshman or RS freshman as players who will positively change the course of season next year.
I didn't say "change the course". That's very different than contributing to winning.
I think it's a very reasonable expectation that Egbuonu will contribute next season.
The reality is there are scenarios Marquette is a tourney team next season with 2, 3, or 4 portal additions.
It all depends on the quality of transfers and improvement of returnees.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 07:31:14 PMI didn't say "change the course". That's very different than contributing to winning.
I think it's a very reasonable expectation that Egbuonu will contribute next season.
The reality is there are scenarios Marquette is a tourney team next season with 2, 3, or 4 portal additions.
It all depends on the quality of transfers and improvement of returnees.
I don't think anyone who is projected to be on the bench next year will be able to supplement our starting 5 in order to make the ncaa tournament next year if we only add 2 portal pieces.
We have yet to win a road game this year or beat a Q1 team. I really think people are not understanding how devoid of talent this team is top to bottom and how much help is needed next year to change that.
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 21, 2026, 05:04:35 PMNow substitute "Wojo" for "Shaka" and tell everyone you'd be okay with those results. If you can't admit your analysis would be the complete opposite you're being intellectually dishonest.
#shakaslurper
Oh..you again. Such a dumb comment, but not surprising. Did Wojo have a Final Four on his resume coming into Marquette? Did Wojo lead us to the NCAA Year 1 on the job? Did Wojo lead us to a 2 seed, Year 2 on the job and win a Big East regular season and conference championship outright? Did Wojo lead us to a 2 seed Year 3 on the job, or did he bow out Round 1 of Big East tournament and get blasted as a 7 seed? Did Wojo make the NCAA in Year 4, or go to the NIT?
Wojo had a better Year 5, albeit the year he lost the team, lost 6 of his last 7 going into the NCAA only to get blasted by 19 as a 5 seed.
Did Wojo have a shred of charisma/intellect? No. All that being said, not surprised you were a big Wojo guy.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:40:03 PMI don't think anyone who is projected to be on the bench next year will be able to supplement our starting 5 in order to make the ncaa tournament next year if we only add 2 portal pieces.
We have yet to win a road game this year or beat a Q1 team. I really think people are not understanding how devoid of talent this team is top to bottom and how much help is needed next year to change that.
We have a stud freshman PG, and a stud 4 sophomore. A very nice freshman wing in Stevens. Phillips and Owens have potential big leaps ahead next season. Get a solid big in the portal, and one very good wing, and the team is plenty good enough to be an NCAA team next year.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 09:27:34 PMOh..you again. Such a dumb comment, but not surprising. Did Wojo have a Final Four on his resume coming into Marquette? Did Wojo lead us to the NCAA Year 1 on the job? Did Wojo lead us to a 2 seed, Year 2 on the job and win a Big East regular season and conference championship outright? Did Wojo lead us to a 2 seed Year 3 on the job, or did he bow out Round 1 of Big East tournament and get blasted as a 7 seed? Did Wojo make the NCAA in Year 4, or go to the NIT?
Wojo had a better Year 5, albeit the year he lost the team, lost 6 of his last 7 going into the NCAA only to get blasted by 19 as a 5 seed.
Did Wojo have a shred of charisma/intellect? No. All that being said, not surprised you were a big Wojo guy.
Find one post in my entire career on Scoop (clearly not as prolific as yours) where I said one positive thing about Wojo. Guess what? You won't.
You'll notice I very rarely criticize any player or coach. Probably count them on one hand. You, on the other hand are a hypocrite. Thought Wojo was the devil and think Shaka is the second coming. Using Shaka's accomplishments from 15 years ago isn't the flex you think is. You were also the guy who tried to take some of the credit for Wojo getting sacked.
Just admit you hold Shaka to less of a standard than past coaches. It's okay. You're a Shakaslurper (your term, not mine). At least it'll give you some measure of credibility. Otherwise you have zero self-awareness.
Add Nolan Minnesale as your wing! Scores 20 a game, need another scorer
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 21, 2026, 07:23:50 PMI don't agree with all of this, but Biggie is making a point within there: Caedin was a zero star recruit and has played like a zero star recruit. Time for it to be over. His recruitment is a huge part of the reason why this is the worst MU team in the last 30 years.
No, it's not. Of all the reasons this has been a horrendous season, Hamilton's recruitment is barely relevant.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:13:04 PMHamilton's recruitment is barely relevant.
I hope your mother understands the mouth she is kissing!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:13:04 PMNo, it's not. Of all the reasons this has been a horrendous season, Hamilton's recruitment is barely relevant.
MU jumped 50 spots in NET/Kenpom once they benched him.
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 21, 2026, 09:56:44 PMFind one post in my entire career on Scoop (clearly not as prolific as yours) where I said one positive thing about Wojo. Guess what? You won't.
You'll notice I very rarely criticize any player or coach. Probably count them on one hand. You, on the other hand are a hypocrite. Thought Wojo was the devil and think Shaka is the second coming. Using Shaka's accomplishments from 15 years ago isn't the flex you think is. You were also the guy who tried to take some of the credit for Wojo getting sacked.
Just admit you hold Shaka to less of a standard than past coaches. It's okay. You're a Shakaslurper (your term, not mine). At least it'll give you some measure of credibility. Otherwise you have zero self-awareness.
I'm curious - what makes someone a Shaka slurper?
I'm asking because I have a hard time disagreeing with Elon's views on Shaka and Marquette.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2026, 10:16:00 PMI hope your mother understands the mouth she is kissing!
Your mother does.
This Hamilton stuff is ridiculous. Yes, he shouldn't be at this level.
But the reason this team is awful is Chase, Ben, Zaide, Tre and Sean.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:26:01 PMBut the reason this team is awful is Chase, Ben, Zaide, Tre and Sean.
OMG. And Shaka.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:26:01 PMYour mother does.
This Hamilton stuff is ridiculous. Yes, he shouldn't be at this level.
But the reason this team is awful is Chase, Ben, Zaide, Tre and Sean.
LOL
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:26:01 PMYour mother does.
My mother is 85. One of the best people on the planet.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:17:24 PMHe shouldn't/wont get fired making the tournament. But he's gone if he misses it.
Sounds like we agree then and maybe you misunderstood my previous post
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:23:39 PMI'm curious - what makes someone a Shaka slurper?
I'm asking because I have a hard time disagreeing with Elon's views on Shaka and Marquette.
By his own definition relative to Wojo, if you weren't vocally critical of Wojo he would label you a Wojoslurper.
Listen, I'm a huge Shaka fan but unlike Ners I don't think he's free from criticism.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 09:32:10 PMWe have a stud freshman PG, and a stud 4 sophomore. A very nice freshman wing in Stevens. Phillips and Owens have potential big leaps ahead next season. Get a solid big in the portal, and one very good wing, and the team is plenty good enough to be an NCAA team next year.
I love Stevens the prospect but Steven's the sophomore starter being leaned upon to take a single digit win team to 20ish wins? We need help man.
Also - care to address your bubble team statement ?
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 21, 2026, 10:39:58 PMBy his own definition relative to Wojo, if you weren't vocally critical of Wojo he would label you a Wojoslurper.
Listen, I'm a huge Shaka fan but unlike Ners I don't think he's free from criticism.
Of course - he's accountable for this.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2026, 10:27:44 PMOMG. And Shaka.
Who?
Nm
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:26:01 PMYour mother does.
This Hamilton stuff is ridiculous. Yes, he shouldn't be at this level.
But the reason this team is awful is Chase, Ben, Zaide, Tre and Sean.
This Karoline Leavitt-esque response is fine, I guess.
The players you've mentioned have contributed in some way. They're bad though, agreed.
There are five starting spots and Hamilton is someone Shaka decided deserved one of them. I don't blame anyone who contributes money to this program for wanting an explanation.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 22, 2026, 01:18:09 AMThis Karoline Leavitt-esque response is fine, I guess.
After that response. I have offered to fly VBMG out to meet my mother.
We'll see if he accepts.
I mean, I started it!
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 07:40:03 PMI don't think anyone who is projected to be on the bench next year will be able to supplement our starting 5 in order to make the ncaa tournament next year if we only add 2 portal pieces.
We have yet to win a road game this year or beat a Q1 team. I really think people are not understanding how devoid of talent this team is top to bottom and how much help is needed next year to change that.
That would be different is Chase and Ben were true impact players rather than role players who more often miss in clutch situations than hit. If Marquette had two impact players in those positions they would likely have 6-8 more wins this year and you would not think the same way.
I want three impact transfers but two plus the big three's development plus the red shirt and true freshman are still an NCAA team IMO.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:13:04 PMNo, it's not. Of all the reasons this has been a horrendous season, Hamilton's recruitment is barely relevant.
VBMG,
I agree with you a lot but Shaka's infatuation with Caedin left this team with no true backup center that could take Ben's spot competently. Ben has had a poor offensive year and Ben being the backup would have been helpful. Relying on Caedin as backup and Bens poor offensive play has led to a gaping hole in the lineup that a competent D1 recruit or transfer in the pipeline could have filled and may have led to more wins this year. Maybe only two or three more wins (because I agree with you that the entire senior and junior classes are the majority of the problem) but still more wins.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 22, 2026, 08:07:36 AMVBMG,
I agree with you a lot but Shaka's infatuation with Caedin left this team with no true backup center that could take Ben's spot competently. Ben has had a poor offensive year and Ben being the backup would have been helpful. Relying on Caedin as backup and Bens poor offensive play has led to a gaping hole in the lineup that a competent D1 recruit or transfer in the pipeline could have filled and may have led to more wins this year. Maybe only two or three more wins (because I agree with you that the entire senior and junior classes are the majority of the problem) but still more wins.
Shaka thought he was a starting center. And I agree, the senior and junior classes are the main issue. But this is Caedin's third year in the program. Some guys simply haven't improved. Caedin should've never been recruited in the first place.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2026, 10:38:46 PMMy mother is 85. One of the best people on the planet.
Just to clarify, I was making what I thought was a harmless mom joke.
I'm sure your mother is lovely.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 22, 2026, 10:13:55 AMJust to clarify, I was making what I thought was a harmless mom joke.
I'm sure your mother is lovely.
Hah, me too. But really, I'll fly you out to give you a chance with her!
Really though, it's funny you've flipped on CH since you've realized he's Shaka's boy.
Hint: Ben, Chase, Tre, and Sean are in that club too
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 22, 2026, 01:18:09 AMThis Karoline Leavitt-esque response is fine, I guess.
The players you've mentioned have contributed in some way. They're bad though, agreed.
There are five starting spots and Hamilton is someone Shaka decided deserved one of them. I don't blame anyone who contributes money to this program for wanting an explanation.
Not sure what was Leavitt-esque about my response. I don't lie every time I open my mouth like she does.
Look, Shaka's decision to start Hamilton this season remains inexplicable.
My point was that a lightly-recruited redshirt sophomore, as bad as he is, is not the reason this team has been terrible.
The junior class is a complete zero. Chase and Ben never developed into anything more than role players. While I haven't seen the most recent metrics, they've also been two of the team's worst players in conference play.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 22, 2026, 08:07:36 AMVBMG,
I agree with you a lot but Shaka's infatuation with Caedin left this team with no true backup center that could take Ben's spot competently. Ben has had a poor offensive year and Ben being the backup would have been helpful. Relying on Caedin as backup and Bens poor offensive play has led to a gaping hole in the lineup that a competent D1 recruit or transfer in the pipeline could have filled and may have led to more wins this year. Maybe only two or three more wins (because I agree with you that the entire senior and junior classes are the majority of the problem) but still more wins.
It's fine to criticize Shaka's misevaluation of the roster. And it seems clear Shaka was going to avoid transfers until the wheels fell off, which they have.
I really don't think having a serviceable back-up 5 would have really made any difference in how this season has played out.
I fully agree that Caedin doesn't belong at this level but he's getting too much blame for this mess, IMO.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 22, 2026, 10:14:54 AMHah, me too. But really, I'll fly you out to give you a chance with her!
Really though, it's funny you've flipped on CH since you've realized he's Shaka's boy.
Hint: Ben, Chase, Tre, and Sean are in that club too
How have I flipped on Caedin?
I never thought he should be starting. I always thought he was getting too many minutes.
I simply think he's a smaller part of the equation for why the team has sucked. Shaka biffing on the junior and senior classes entirely is why.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 22, 2026, 10:27:14 AMI really don't think having a serviceable back-up 5 would have really made any difference in how this season has played out.
Back up? How about any serviceable 5? That would have literally been a game changer.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 22, 2026, 10:29:03 AMI simply think he's a smaller part of the equation for why the team has sucked. Shaka biffing on the junior and senior classes entirely is why.
You realize that despite the redshirt, Caedin came in with Zaide and Tre right?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 22, 2026, 10:33:40 AMYou realize that despite the redshirt, Caedin came in with Zaide and Tre right?
...and the other whiff in that class Al Amadou. Oof that was a rough class.
Maybe the worst recruiting class ever!
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 22, 2026, 11:35:50 AMMaybe the worst recruiting class ever!
Well, the one man class of Krunti Hester wins the cigar here! The James Matthews/Brandon Bell/Carlton Christian and ultimately Dameon Mason is close behind.
Thanks for the history lesson, I think Hester was the worse by far, the other 2 definitely sucked
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 22, 2026, 10:29:03 AMHow have I flipped on Caedin?
I never thought he should be starting. I always thought he was getting too many minutes.
I simply think he's a smaller part of the equation for why the team has sucked. Shaka biffing on the junior and senior classes entirely is why.
Not accusing you of flipping, but the guy who the staff thought was a legitimate starting 5 in the Big East not even being a D-1 level player is a massive problem. Ross and Gold, two starters, have absolutely not lived up to expectations. But Hamilton has shown he doesn't even belong in the building. The disregard this staff has shown toward that position between him and the other zero star recruit is a major factor in this being the worst MU season in a generation.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 22, 2026, 02:46:42 PMNot accusing you of flipping, but the guy who the staff thought was a legitimate starting 5 in the Big East not even being a D-1 level player is a massive problem. Ross and Gold, two starters, have absolutely not lived up to expectations. But Hamilton has shown he doesn't even belong in the building. The disregard this staff has shown toward that position between him and the other zero star recruit is a major factor in this being the worst MU season in a generation.
Toss in Ben a well. We recruited against Loyola-Chicago and Washngton State for his services. As a borderline Big East starter, he's the best big Shaka and Co. have recruited here.
I've said it before, but Shaka's successes elsewhere and here with Oso, I believe, created an overconfidence in his ability to develop just any old tall kid into a competent big. And his recruiting efforts at the position here have reflected that. Hopefully Sheek breaks the cycle.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 22, 2026, 03:19:23 PMToss in Ben a well. We recruited against Loyola-Chicago and Washngton State for his services. As a borderline Big East starter, he's the best big Shaka and Co. have recruited here.
I've said it before, but Shaka's successes elsewhere and here with Oso, I believe, created an overconfidence in his ability to develop just any old tall kid into a competent big. And his recruiting efforts at the position here have reflected that. Hopefully Sheek breaks the cycle.
Yep. If you don't want to take transfers, then you need to be a top notch recruiter. Beating out low majors and prep schools for players is why we're here.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 10:23:39 PMI'm curious - what makes someone a Shaka slurper?
I'm asking because I have a hard time disagreeing with Elon's views on Shaka and Marquette.
from January '25 to February '26, Shaka's hot pile. Views Elon doesn't mention.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 21, 2026, 12:41:21 PMAny season where marquette isn't competitive is a bad a season. It doesn't matter how bad, 10-20 5-25 13-19 15-15? The goal every year should be being an ncaa tournament team. Anything lower than being on the realistic bubble is an objective failure. It doesn't matter how hard one fails.
Shaka tried something, it clearly didn't work. He gets a one season pass for the rapidly changing college atmosphere and the attempt at rgv.
Its time to rid ourselves of this sentiment, its clearly not sustainable.
This includes cutting the fat. Players like Trey who can barely find time off the bench, people like caedin who don't belong in D1 basketball, Josh gets a 2nd chance to ball.
Keeping players (and paying them) who clearly don't belong in major D1 basketball to stay on the end of the bench of 15 players is asinine.
These are nothing more then scholarshipped walk on with no hope or potential to make a difference.
If Shaka uses all 15, the end of the bench better be filled with young projects who would have a hope of being a difference maker in a couple years.
But people like sultan believe in "glue" guys. ;D
I'm growing more and more frustrated with this bolded sentiment. To me, Shaka rightly filled in his first MU season roster with transfers, while maintain key players and bringing in at least one of his own recruits. The roster had good balance and he committed to fostering the idea of getting old and succeeding from within. There is no doubt that RGV worked, to the tune of high seeds, a double BEast championship and several NBA players. This success included last year (though folks might point out the fading at the end of the season). Sure, there are few nits that one could pick (maybe he could've brought in another big man after Oso left, maybe he could've not relied on Kam as PG last year), but overall the results justified the approach.
This year has shown the vulnerabilities of putting all eggs in the RGV basket. Caedin hasn't developed (and the hype around him last summer is now seen, rightly, as absurd) , Ben and Chase aren't the needed senior leaders, Zaide proved to be mercurial and unwilling to accept a lesser role, and on. It's been a disaster, even with the glimmer of hope of Nigel, Royce and Adrien.
But to act like this season was easily forecasted is just ludicrous. None of us should be surprised that Shaka stuck with what has been working, even if it has, for this year, proven to be his effort to make guys believe what they might do, which they now have shown that they couldn't do.
And now, Shaka has explicitly acknowledged that this year hasn't been up to par and has indicated his intention to modify his approach. He has said that he wants to keep the young core (is he implying that he'll be willing to cut the underperforming upperclassmen?) and will expand how he recruits by tapping into the portal.
So, yeah, it's been hard to be a fan this year. At the same time, I just don't get the feeling that we've been on this long slide downwards, don't have a capable coach and are unlikely to ever bounce back. (Just to be clear, I was very very concerned about Shaka's openness to change during the middle of this season. I have chosen to take his public statements about turning the page as true evolution.)
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 21, 2026, 01:51:38 PMMarquette has the most losses since the 1964-1965 season staying with the status quo or close to the status quo would be...........
Would prefer to error on the the side of more transfers rather than less to get the best roster
Are you intentionally pointing out the irony there? 1964-65 was Al's first season as coach. Times have changed to be sure, yet I'm sure we're all happy that Al wasn't fired after such as disaster of a season.
Quote from: mug644 on February 22, 2026, 08:20:49 PMI'm growing more and more frustrated with this bolded sentiment. To me, Shaka rightly filled in his first MU season roster with transfers, while maintain key players and bringing in at least one of his own recruits. The roster had good balance and he committed to fostering the idea of getting old and succeeding from within. There is no doubt that RGV worked, to the tune of high seeds, a double BEast championship and several NBA players. This success included last year (though folks might point out the fading at the end of the season). Sure, there are few nits that one could pick (maybe he could've brought in another big man after Oso left, maybe he could've not relied on Kam as PG last year), but overall the results justified the approach.
This year has shown the vulnerabilities of putting all eggs in the RGV basket. Caedin hasn't developed (and the hype around him last summer is now seen, rightly, as absurd) , Ben and Chase aren't the needed senior leaders, Zaide proved to be mercurial and unwilling to accept a lesser role, and on. It's been a disaster, even with the glimmer of hope of Nigel, Royce and Adrien.
But to act like this season was easily forecasted is just ludicrous. None of us should be surprised that Shaka stuck with what has been working, even if it has, for this year, proven to be his effort to make guys believe what they might do, which they now have shown that they couldn't do.
And now, Shaka has explicitly acknowledged that this year hasn't been up to par and has indicated his intention to modify his approach. He has said that he wants to keep the young core (is he implying that he'll be willing to cut the underperforming upperclassmen?) and will expand how he recruits by tapping into the portal.
So, yeah, it's been hard to be a fan this year. At the same time, I just don't get the feeling that we've been on this long slide downwards, don't have a capable coach and are unlikely to ever bounce back. (Just to be clear, I was very very concerned about Shaka's openness to change during the middle of this season. I have chosen to take his public statements about turning the page as true evolution.)
Are you intentionally pointing out the irony there? 1964-65 was Al's first season as coach. Times have changed to be sure, yet I'm sure we're all happy that Al wasn't fired after such as disaster of a season.
Al just got
there. Shaka has had 5 years and this what the 5 years have become. Two different situations.
Quote from: mug644 on February 22, 2026, 08:20:49 PMBut to act like this season was easily forecasted is just ludicrous. None of us should be surprised that Shaka stuck with what has been working, even if it has, for this year, proven to be his effort to make guys believe what they might do, which they now have shown that they couldn't do.
But
it was easily forecasted. Not guaranteed ... there's a plausible outcome in which all the returning players took the leaps necessary to continue Shaka's run of success ... but that outcome was never likely.
When 99% of the college basketball world is using the portal to fill roster weaknesses with proven players, and your strategy is to roll the dice with development instead, it's not hard to see the potential outcome.
And I'd quibble with the notion that what Shaka tried the past two seasons is the same strategy he used in his first three.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2026, 10:56:34 AMBut it was easily forecasted. Not guaranteed ... there's a plausible in which all the returning players took the leaps necessary to continue Shaka's run of success ... but that outcome isn't likely.
When 99% of the college basketball world is using the portal to fill roster weaknesses with proven players, and you're strategy is to roll the dice with development instead, it's not hard to see the potential outcome.
And I'd quibble with the notion that what Shaka tried the past two seasons is the same strategy he used in his first three.
Some of us saw this season coming from a mile away.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2026, 10:56:34 AMBut it was easily forecasted. Not guaranteed ... there's a plausible outcome in which all the returning players took the leaps necessary to continue Shaka's run of success ... but that outcome was never likely.
When 99% of the college basketball world is using the portal to fill roster weaknesses with proven players, and you're strategy is to roll the dice with development instead, it's not hard to see the potential outcome.
And I'd quibble with the notion that what Shaka tried the past two seasons is the same strategy he used in his first three.
I guess I just accept that Shaka understandably believed in the RGV approach, which had been looking successful through last year. It doesn't surprise me that he stuck with his guys, though I do worry that he and his staff did have a myopic and rosy perspective on several individual players. Still, it is important to note that "99% of the college basketball world" had roster
openings that needed to be filled, allowing coaches to identify and then fill the weaknesses. MU did not have a transfer out after last season, and Shaka didn't have any scholarships available. Could Shaka have pushed out one or more players to create openings? Yea, he could've but it's just not surprising that he stuck with his approach and was confident in the growth of players. Was it a risk? I accept that it was. Has it come back to bite him? Certainly. And, does it seem that he'll change going forward, and be willing to push guys out in order to have openings that he can fill? Yes, but we shall see if he really does that. I hope he does.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 23, 2026, 11:00:23 AMSome of us saw this season coming from a mile away.
Yes we did. Maybe did not see it as this bad, but it was easily discernible through our blue and gold glasses.
No Arby's, hard pass on the poll.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 23, 2026, 04:13:32 PMNo Arby's, hard pass on the poll.
Can confirm. Ate some Arby's this weekend and it was indeed hard to pass.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 23, 2026, 11:00:23 AMSome of us saw this season coming from a mile away.
This is funny to me because some people here are gloom and doom every year, so all it took was the first bad year and suddenly all these doomers are Nostradamus.
Quote from: UWW2MU on February 25, 2026, 09:55:54 AMThis is funny to me because some people here are gloom and doom every year, so all it took was the first bad year and suddenly all these doomers are Nostradamus.
that certainly applies to mopes like Willie.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 23, 2026, 11:00:23 AMSome of us saw this season coming from a mile away.
Link from your post(s) from end of last season to the start of this one that projected a poor season?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 25, 2026, 11:32:27 AMLink from your post(s) from end of last season to the start of this one that projected a poor season?
Well...
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 15, 2025, 04:43:28 PMIf we finish above .500 I'll be surprised.
I vehemently disagree that Shaka has not failed the MU program with his steadfast approach over the last 3-4 years.
He clearly felt that bringing in anyone would destroy, apparently an incredibly fragile culture. MU has brought in transfers, almost every year, for decades. Supposedly, MU had a strong culture under O'neil, Crean, Buzz, etc. Not sure how they were able to pull this off, while Shaka felt even one transfer would crumble what he had built.
During Kolek's final year MU was 1 player (PF) away from having possibly an all-time historic season. Yet he refused to sign a rebounding big to help replace Omax. A soft front line of Jop and Omax got repeatedly killed on the boards.
Last year a player or two, in a ball handler and another big, could have made for a really really special season. Instead it was an absolutely outmanned team with holes.
This year speaks for itself.
Seems to me Shaka is OK with decent teams and afraid to ruffle anyone's feathers.
There is no greater motivator than the bench. How motivated is the player that knows he will never be recruited over? Maybe growth would be increased with a little incoming motivation?
Shaka has failed greatly in the last 3 seasons in my book.
Quote from: Rimrocker on February 25, 2026, 12:59:25 PMShaka has failed greatly in the last 3 seasons in my book.
That's quite the take. This year, sure, but the last 3? 2 bids and a S16. You've also got a whole lot of "what if's" regarding additions. Maybe we have a special season, maybe it still ends with us shooting 13% from 3 against NCST.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 25, 2026, 01:05:42 PMThat's quite the take. This year, sure, but the last 3? 2 bids and a S16. You've also got a whole lot of "what if's" regarding additions. Maybe we have a special season, maybe it still ends with us shooting 13% from 3 against NCST.
Still one of the most frustrating games I've watched. MU couldn't buy an open look and NCST hit so many contested and/or end of shot clock shots.
And I think MU would have taken down Duke too. Really a shame.
Calling the 2023-24 season a failure is an interesting take.
Good troll from a "fan" with 3 posts, though!
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 25, 2026, 11:32:27 AMLink from your post(s) from end of last season to the start of this one that projected a poor season?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 14, 2025, 09:01:22 PMI know this staff hangs their hats on development, but I just don't see how we are going to be any good next year. We are losing too much and there just doesn't seem to be anything behind them. I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 25, 2026, 02:46:52 PMit went quite a bit further back than this.
I didn't want to read any more of your posts than I had to. ;) ;) ;)
I'm keeping an eye on Miles Byrd from SDSU to join our backcourt
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2026, 01:44:12 PMCalling the 2023-24 season a failure is an interesting take.
Good troll from a "fan" with 3 posts, though!
Yeah! There are a lot posters with less than 300 posts now chiming in. Where were they when thing were pretty great.
Quote from: onepost on March 04, 2026, 09:54:07 AMI'm keeping an eye on Miles Byrd from SDSU to join our backcourt
Do we have a Byrd in hand?
The defense would be wonderful.. and maybe him being a crappy shooter (but solid relative to this year's MU team, I guess) isn't horrible -- 'hey, we're bringing in a new guy, but he's a defensive stud... you offensive guys still get to shine, because RGV'
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 04, 2026, 10:04:49 AMDo we have a Byrd in hand?
The defense would be wonderful.. and maybe him being a crappy shooter (but solid relative to this year's MU team, I guess) isn't horrible -- 'hey, we're bringing in a new guy, but he's a defensive stud... you offensive guys still get to shine, because RGV'
Oh nothing official. But it sounds like we love the prospect of adding him to what we've currently got from an analytics standpoint.
He's the type of player I'd imagine we'd be targeting. Immediate help to the defense, more capable offensively than our current guys outside of RP, AS, and NJ
Not to pizz in anybody's cornflakes, but in four games against P5 teams, Byrd scored 32 points on 12-34 (.353) shooting including 4-18 (.222) from 3, with 11 rebounds, 6 assists and 8 turnovers.
His numbers aren't very good against non-P5 teams, either.
He'd have to be one hell of a defensive player to make up for that.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2026, 10:41:57 AMNot to pizz in anybody's cornflakes, but in four games against P5 teams, Byrd scored 32 points on 12-34 (.353) shooting including 4-18 (.222) from 3, with 11 rebounds, 6 assists and 8 turnovers.
His numbers aren't very good against non-P5 teams, either.
He'd have to be one hell of a defensive player to make up for that.
It's OK. He current team just lacks great relationships.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2026, 10:41:57 AMNot to pizz in anybody's cornflakes, but in four games against P5 teams, Byrd scored 32 points on 12-34 (.353) shooting including 4-18 (.222) from 3, with 11 rebounds, 6 assists and 8 turnovers.
His numbers aren't very good against non-P5 teams, either.
He'd have to be one hell of a defensive player to make up for that.
Counterpoint - Morsell's and Prosper's numbers weren't great either.
Funky looking shot but he takes a ton of tough shots, which is a product of SDSU's offense, and that lowers the percentages. SDSU always runs some brutal offenses and it impacts the player's numbers.
He looks like a legitimately good playmaker and defender. We need more offensive connectors, and I think he'd be a good addition. Really quick and athletic. Could definitely see him excelling playing in a faster system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R82irPuvVe0
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Byrd, Minessale, and a really good center transfer (better than Byrd and Minessale are as guards/wings) and I'm good, so long as Parhman, NJ, and Stevens are back.
I'd probably prefer the wing transfer to be a better shooter than Minessale is, but I'll take a chance on a 20 point scorer from the low majors and see what he can do at this level.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 04, 2026, 10:59:40 AMCounterpoint - Morsell's and Prosper's numbers weren't great either.
Funky looking shot but he takes a ton of tough shots, which is a product of SDSU's offense, and that lowers the percentages. SDSU always runs some brutal offenses and it impacts the player's numbers.
He looks like a legitimately good playmaker and defender. We need more offensive connectors, and I think he'd be a good addition. Really quick and athletic. Could definitely see him excelling playing in a faster system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R82irPuvVe0
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Fair enough. I'd definitely take the next Morsell. I'll try to remember to watch a San Diego State game or two before the season's over.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 04, 2026, 11:28:36 AMByrd, Minessale, and a really good center transfer (better than Byrd and Minessale are as guards/wings) and I'm good, so long as Parhman, NJ, and Stevens are back.
I'd probably prefer the wing transfer to be a better shooter than Minessale is, but I'll take a chance on a 20 point scorer from the low majors and see what he can do at this level.
Would be pretty ideal. Wouldnt be mad about a 2nd big too depending on the money. Not worried about the roster spots.
Quote from: onepost on March 04, 2026, 09:54:07 AMI'm keeping an eye on Miles Byrd from SDSU to join our backcourt
Looks like he's a defensive ace. Top 150 BPR on Evan Miya at +5.82, with 70% of his value coming on defense (+4.10 DBPR).
3.9% STL rate, 5.7% BLK rate in 2026
4.3% STL rate, 4.9% BLK rate in 2025
Those are elite numbers for a wing.
Offense, as was mentioned he's a role player with below average three point shooting. Good free throw shooter though (but no matta).
He would be a 5th year senior next year, so he would add some much needed experience without blocking younger players long-term.
Sidenote: Ethan Johnston seems pretty similar to Byrd. As a freshman, Ethan certainly won't be as good as 3rd, 4th, or 5th year Byrd, but perhaps 3 or 4 years down the line he will be.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 04, 2026, 11:32:42 AMWould be pretty ideal. Wouldnt be mad about a 2nd big too depending on the money. Not worried about the roster spots.
Sorry, Marquette only has one spot and it's going to be used on getting Zaide Lowery to come back.
Speaking of Zaide - has there been any news at all about where he's going or what he's doing? Can't find anything since he left - isn't that a bit weird?
Quote from: 1SE on March 04, 2026, 02:34:48 PMSpeaking of Zaide - has there been any news at all about where he's going or what he's doing? Can't find anything since he left - isn't that a bit weird?
Well, according to NCAA rules, he can't enter the portal until the day after the national championship game. My guess is that he, or his representatives, are having conversations with other schools, but we are likely to hear nothing.
My guess is that he is still a Marquette student and taking classes remotely.
Quote from: 1SE on March 04, 2026, 02:34:48 PMSpeaking of Zaide - has there been any news at all about where he's going or what he's doing? Can't find anything since he left - isn't that a bit weird?
The portal now doesn't open until after the NC game in April. Probably better to keep options open while teams know he is still available while he finishes his academic year at MU. There is a report on another site that he is in school to finish up.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2026, 10:41:57 AMNot to pizz in anybody's cornflakes, but in four games against P5 teams, Byrd scored 32 points on 12-34 (.353) shooting including 4-18 (.222) from 3, with 11 rebounds, 6 assists and 8 turnovers.
His numbers aren't very good against non-P5 teams, either.
He'd have to be one hell of a defensive player to make up for that.
Grades out as a top-20 defender nationally per DBPR, so he is one hell of a defensive player. My guess is they would view him as finally replacing O-Max. Lockdown defender that has the length to block shots and the disruptiveness to create turnovers.
On offense, mediocre three point shooter and would be okay from two if he'd stop taking so much midrange.
He'd make us better, but on the whole I would hope he's not the best player we're aiming for.
Is it realistic to get Byrd as the Wing, Minessale as the bench playmaker, and a true 5?
If so, that would be great.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 04, 2026, 11:28:36 AMByrd, Minessale, and a really good center transfer (better than Byrd and Minessale are as guards/wings) and I'm good, so long as Parhman, NJ, and Stevens are back.
I'd probably prefer the wing transfer to be a better shooter than Minessale is, but I'll take a chance on a 20 point scorer from the low majors and see what he can do at this level.
Wouldn't scoff at this but I don't think this is enough to have us truly competing again next year, unless that center is damn near the best available.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 04, 2026, 10:08:42 PMWouldn't scoff at this but I don't think this is enough to have us truly competing again next year, unless that center is damn near the best available.
What does "truly competing" mean?
Not sure what has happened to Oswin from PC as the season has progressed, but he is not the big that I think MUBB will strive yo obtain.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 05, 2026, 07:49:31 AMNot sure what has happened to Oswin from PC as the season has progressed, but he is not the big that I think MUBB will strive yo obtain.
I'd take him in a second (pawz)
We already have LOADS of players at that position and profile. Byrd would be a fine addition, but the athletic wing role is definitely lower on the list of priorities than an all big east-caliber center and secondary ball handler. If they only add 2 pieces, I'd prefer it be those types of players.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 05, 2026, 07:49:31 AMNot sure what has happened to Oswin from PC as the season has progressed, but he is not the big that I think MUBB will strive yo obtain.
He would make a huge impact here. Providence puts him in the worst spots on offense, I couldnt believe how often they had him standing outside the 3 point line on offense just watching.
He's a great rebounder and rim protector, our biggest needs, and he'd be way more involved on offense here as a screener and roller and lob threat. Would change how teams guard our pick and roll actions.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 05, 2026, 09:23:37 AMHe would make a huge impact here. Providence puts him in the worst spots on offense, I couldnt believe how often they had him standing outside the 3 point line on offense just watching.
He's a great rebounder and rim protector, our biggest needs, and he'd be way more involved on offense here as a screener and roller and lob threat. Would change how teams guard our pick and roll actions.
Agreed. Looked uninterested and barely involved in that offense last night.
We will see if MU reaches out.
I want us to get the next Shaq and the next Shai. We all want superstars. But my top two realistic transfers in would be a big such as Nova's Brennan and a good all-around guard/wing such as Morsell. Add two pieces like that, and maybe a third depth piece, and bring back Nigel & Co., and I think we're talking about an NCAAT team next season.
I have no idea what Nova paid for Brennan. Was there a bidding war for someone who averaged 10 ppg at Grand Canyon?
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2026, 12:16:56 PMI want us to get the next Shaq and the next Shai. We all want superstars. But my top two realistic transfers in would be a big such as Nova's Brennan and a good all-around guard/wing such as Morsell. Add two pieces like that, and maybe a third depth piece, and bring back Nigel & Co., and I think we're talking about an NCAAT team next season.
I have no idea what Nova paid for Brennan. Was there a bidding war for someone who averaged 10 ppg at Grand Canyon?
If they're coming from grand canyon you can at least sell them on a diploma that isnt a scam.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 05, 2026, 09:23:37 AMHe would make a huge impact here. Providence puts him in the worst spots on offense, I couldnt believe how often they had him standing outside the 3 point line on offense just watching.
He's a great rebounder and rim protector, our biggest needs, and he'd be way more involved on offense here as a screener and roller and lob threat. Would change how teams guard our pick and roll actions.
Nigel with a legit lob threat would be real fun to watch. He already is consistently looking for Owens on cuts
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2026, 12:16:56 PMI want us to get the next Shaq and the next Shai. We all want superstars. But my top two realistic transfers in would be a big such as Nova's Brennan and a good all-around guard/wing such as Morsell. Add two pieces like that, and maybe a third depth piece, and bring back Nigel & Co., and I think we're talking about an NCAAT team next season.
I have no idea what Nova paid for Brennan. Was there a bidding war for someone who averaged 10 ppg at Grand Canyon?
A big part of being successful in the transfer market is identifying players who could thrive in your system beyond what they're doing at their current workplace. And, on the flip side, identifying those who may not replicate here what success they've had elsewhere.
Anyhow, I remain very interested in Armani Mighty out of Mercer. In three games against P5 opponents (Tennessee, Clemson and UCF), he's averaged 12.3 ppg and 7 rpg while shooting 65% from the floor.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2026, 12:33:14 PMis identifying players who could thrive in your system
We're great at that. Look at this season!
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 05, 2026, 12:34:44 PMWe're great at that. Look at this season!
Fair, but now do transfers.
(pawz)
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2026, 12:33:14 PMA big part of being successful in the transfer market is identifying players who could thrive in your system beyond what they're doing at their current workplace. And, on the flip side, identifying those who may not replicate here what the success they've had elsewhere.
Anyhow, I remain very interested in Armani Mighty out of Mercer. In three games against P5 opponents (Tennessee, Clemson and UCF), he's averaged 12.3 ppg and 7 rpg while shooting 65% from the floor.
Agree.
And I'd be mighty interested in Armani, too; sounds like he'd suit us.
Allen Graves from Santa Clara might be a nice fit if he enters the portal.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 05, 2026, 01:55:44 PMAllen Graves from Santa Clara might be a nice fit if he enters the portal.
If he doesn't enter the NBA draft, he would be one of the most sought after PF in the portal.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 05, 2026, 03:17:17 PMIf he doesn't enter the NBA draft, he would be one of the most sought after PF in the portal.
We've been told that MU has plenty of money.
I believe Duke is involved with Graves. Similar to Coward last year, its NBA vs. Duke.
That'd be a big get, but I doubt MU can swing it if Duke is in play. Also, I think we want "sure things" when it comes to this transfer portal. We don't want to get a commitment from a guy that's exploring the combine and draft process only to have them go to the league.
Quote from: panda on February 21, 2026, 10:41:27 PMI love Stevens the prospect but Steven's the sophomore starter being leaned upon to take a single digit win team to 20ish wins? We need help man.
Also - care to address your bubble team statement ?
Getting ahead of this one - bad take. Stevens proving himself big time today !
Quote from: panda on March 07, 2026, 12:27:36 PMGetting ahead of this one - bad take. Stevens proving himself big time today !
He's been proving himself for a while. His offense has actually never been the concern for me. With James at PG, he at the very least will be very valuable spreading the court with his shooting ability. But I think he'll develop into a really balanced scorer.
People compare him to Stevie and I don't see it. He's far more skilled offensively than Stevie. But nowhere near the disrupter Stevie was on either end of the court. If Stevens turns into Stevie defensively, he'll play in the NBA for a long time.
I'm afraid that I'm setting myself up for disappointment in the portal.
This team has sky high potential if they go all in during this portal circuit. I'm not sure it's realistic but this team could be so good if they invest in this core.
Stevens is a STUD.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2026, 12:40:10 PMHe's been proving himself for a while. His offense has actually never been the concern for me. With James at PG, he at the very least will be very valuable spreading the court with his shooting ability. But I think he'll develop into a really balanced scorer.
People compare him to Stevie and I don't see it. He's far more skilled offensively than Stevie. But nowhere near the disrupter Stevie was on either end of the court. If Stevens turns into Stevie defensively, he'll play in the NBA for a long time.
Agree - he had a bunch of milk carton games early on which skewed my judgement. He's scoring in a lot of different ways now and never forces his shot. Smart player
Need a backup combo guard, somebody that can score a few, a Carrington type of player the Badgers have, would be great
Watched Byrd play for San Diego State last night.
Good athlete, plus defender. Anticipates well in help defense. Had a nice play when he missed an 3 but then stole the ball and went in for a dunk.
Unfortunately, he got hurt (ankle, I think). Gutted it out but was definitely hampered. Didn't shoot much after the injury.
Quote from: MU82 on March 07, 2026, 02:37:18 PMWatched Byrd play for San Diego State last night.
Good athlete, plus defender. Anticipates well in help defense. Had a nice play when he missed an 3 but then stole the ball and went in for a dunk.
Unfortunately, he got hurt (ankle, I think). Gutted it out but was definitely hampered. Didn't shoot much after the injury.
Haven't seen him play and don't know anything about him other than what I've read here and a quick look at his stats.
If he's as good defensively as he sounds, that's a huge need for next season's team. I also imagine he could be much more efficient offensively in Marquette's system and with good talent around him.
Quote from: MU82 on March 07, 2026, 02:37:18 PMWatched Byrd play for San Diego State last night.
Good athlete, plus defender. Anticipates well in help defense. Had a nice play when he missed an 3 but then stole the ball and went in for a dunk.
Unfortunately, he got hurt (ankle, I think). Gutted it out but was definitely hampered. Didn't shoot much after the injury.
Maybe he's getting the prerequisite walking boot before he can transfer to Marquette.
Watched St. Thomas and North Dakota. Entertaining game. No BE players on the floor. I'd rather take my chances with MU's redshirts and incoming frosh. Need to find transfers from elsewhere, IMO.
After the UCONN game any changes of thoughts on who needs to go?
For me, none. Keep James, Parham, Stevens. Everyone else on the block in case there's a better player out there.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 08, 2026, 06:28:28 AMAfter the UCONN game any changes of thoughts on who needs to go?
For me, none. Keep James, Parham, Stevens. Everyone else on the block in case there's a better player out there.
That's not how this is going to work. There will be two or three. Most of the roster will be back.
I think people are going to discover that landing players better than the senior versions of Ross and Gold is going to be a lot harder than people think.
The competition is going to be fierce when you consider all of the teams that have to replace the transfers they brought in this year and players going pro that will be moving on. Think about Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, UConn, and several other Big East teams as examples.
If MU challenges for an NCAA bid next year it's going to come from improvement from the underclass players, contributions from the redshirts and freshmen, and hopefully one or two veteran transfers to fill some obvious holes.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 07, 2026, 12:43:28 PMI'm afraid that I'm setting myself up for disappointment in the portal.
This team has sky high potential if they go all in during this portal circuit. I'm not sure it's realistic but this team could be so good if they invest in this core.
Stevens is a STUD.
If that translates to Ws I'll agree with you. A 20 loss season does not instill confidence that that is the case.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2026, 07:02:59 AMIf that translates to Ws I'll agree with you. A 20 loss season does not instill confidence that that is the case.
Do you watch the games? Or just read the newspaper after every game to see the win and loss columns?
They've started to look a lot better. Our Freshman and Sophomores are our best players and they just beat a 27-3 UConn team. Assuming they use the portal as they've told us, they will be good. No reason to believe they will not be.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2026, 06:52:06 AMI think people are going to discover that landing players better than the senior versions of Ross and Gold is going to be a lot harder than people think.
The competition is going to be fierce when you consider all of the teams that have to replace the transfers they brought in this year and players going pro that will be moving on. Think about Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, UConn, and several other Big East teams as examples.
If MU challenges for an NCAA bid next year it's going to come from improvement from the underclass players, contributions from the redshirts and freshmen, and hopefully one or two veteran transfers to fill some obvious holes.
Same amount of competition for HS players. UCON, IU, Mich. - 5 freshmen, Wisky - 4 freshmen. MU can compete.
I actually don't think you need "better" players necessarily. MU needs some players who fill some roles that are now empty as well as more depth. The names I have seen thrown about are solid players with experience. Pair those types with NJ, AS, and RP, hope for others to emerge, and they'll be fine.
I'm not even worried too much about what potential transfers can bring offensively, as long as they can be more efficient than Chase and Ben, which shouldn't be that difficult.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 07, 2026, 11:27:42 PMWatched St. Thomas and North Dakota. Entertaining game. No BE players on the floor. I'd rather take my chances with MU's redshirts and incoming frosh. Need to find transfers from elsewhere, IMO.
I don't see Minessale as a likely target for us. Wouldn't be very RGV of Shaka to portal over Walker and Miletic after having invested a year in them during their redshirt year.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2026, 09:53:07 AMI don't see Minessale as a likely target for us. Wouldn't be very RGV of Shaka to portal over Walker and Miletic after having invested a year in them during their redshirt year.
Well... they are outside shooters.. NM is not. Plus, his initials are great.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2026, 09:53:07 AMI don't see Minessale as a likely target for us. Wouldn't be very RGV of Shaka to portal over Walker and Miletic after having invested a year in them during their redshirt year.
Minessales game could not be more different than Walker and Miletic. Theyre both shooters only.
Minessale is different than everyone on the roster, in a good way. Plays PG, gets to the rim and rebounds and defends well for a big guard. His ability to handle and create would be huge to help take pressure off of Nigel.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 08, 2026, 10:10:22 AMMinessales game could not be more different than Walker and Miletic. Theyre both shooters only.
Minessale is different than everyone on the roster, in a good way. Plays PG, gets to the rim and rebounds and defends well for a big guard. His ability to handle and create would be huge to help take pressure off of Nigel.
Yeah, it's like he just compared him to the white guys on the roster.
Minnesale is definitely a target and I fully expect him on the roster next season.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 08, 2026, 10:10:22 AMMinessales game could not be more different than Walker and Miletic. Theyre both shooters only.
Minessale is different than everyone on the roster, in a good way. Plays PG, gets to the rim and rebounds and defends well for a big guard. His ability to handle and create would be huge to help take pressure off of Nigel.
Herro plays PG for St. Thomas and he's a good passer. Ironically, Herro doesn't shoot well. I didn't see Minessale playing any PG. He played more of a 3 and MU is pretty loaded at the 3 (Owens, Walker, Militec, Alex E., Johnston). I think MU might try to bulk Phillips up a bit to play some 4 and Walker and Johnston I'd think would be 2/3. IMO, MU needs a 5 and a combo guard.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 08, 2026, 10:10:22 AMTheyre both shooters only.
What are you using to come to this conclusion?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 08, 2026, 10:25:33 AMHe played more of a 3 and MU is pretty loaded at the 3 (Owens, Walker, Militec, Alex E., Johnston)
So four players who have never played a minute for MU and an incredibly inconsistant DO.
Not sure that's "loaded."
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2026, 06:52:06 AMI think people are going to discover that landing players better than the senior versions of Ross and Gold is going to be a lot harder than people think.
The competition is going to be fierce when you consider all of the teams that have to replace the transfers they brought in this year and players going pro that will be moving on. Think about Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, UConn, and several other Big East teams as examples.
If MU challenges for an NCAA bid next year it's going to come from improvement from the underclass players, contributions from the redshirts and freshmen, and hopefully one or two veteran transfers to fill some obvious holes.
This is a good point and worth discussing. In the perfect world Shaka would have realized very early on that Chase and Ben were really good role players and emphasized those roles. Had he done that those two would have been good enough to get a few more wins this year.
I think it would have been hard to swallow initially for Chase given he was voted first team all Big East. But Shaka should have recognized early and often that his ball handling in traffic was never going to be good enough for a lead scoring or creating role, especially at the end of games. Catch and shoot threes and straight line drives on offense and continued effort on D. Chase found his role only in the last couple months. He filled it well and I agree he will be tough to replace from that perspective as well as his athleticism.
Ben never changed his mentality and did not appear to do anything outside of his skill set. He may have felt more pressure to perform his role as a leader and more pressure to hit threes in key moments as a senior. But unlike Chase, he didn't look like he tried to do too much. His defense was very good for the most part without fouling. He walked up well. He is going to be harder to replace than even Chase IMO. There is not an heir apparent on this team that can do what Ben did on the defensive side.
But in the end, we do not have to replace all Big East players. I think really good role players will be available and I trust Shaka will find them. A defensive big and a defensive combo guard that can handle the ball along with the development of the current players minus one or two and this team is an NCAA tournament team next year.
It can be done. I think Shaka will get it done. I also think Shaka likes the fact that he won't have to search for his alphas next year. He already knows who they are which is a very good position to be in from a team building perspective.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2026, 10:30:50 AMSo four players who have never played a minute for MU and an incredibly inconsistant DO.
Not sure that's "loaded."
How many roster spots do you commit to that position?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 08, 2026, 10:40:09 AMHow many roster spots do you commit to that position?
I don't think Shaka, or most coaches these days, view positions in the traditional 1-5 sense.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2026, 10:50:30 AMI don't think Shaka, or most coaches these days, view positions in the traditional 1-5 sense.
So call them wings and add Stevens to the mix. How many more does MU need?
IMO, they need someone who can backup at point and rotate with James and Stevens and they need a center.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 08, 2026, 10:57:59 AMSo call them wings and add Stevens to the mix. How many more does MU need?
IMO, they need someone who can backup at point and rotate with James and Stevens and they need a center.
A wing who can score consistently is definitely a need. Bigger than a back up PG by quite a bit actually. No way I want to roll out next year with DO and four guys with zero experience.
Minnesale brings something the other don't, he averages around 20 a game.
I have seen enough of DO, not consistent, total tease.
Phillips is so raw, he won't be ready for years, best for him to redshirt and figure out to make an easy 2 point shot!
The other 3, will see
After Nigel, we again have the question of who are the higher usage guys?
I could see Royce inching up a bit, but not a ton. After that, is there anyone else that we can reasonably project to be a low-to-mid 20's usage guy next season?
That said, a guy like NM may make some sense. Also, a guy who can get us to the line.
#TraditionalThoughts
Minessale made first team all defense in the Summit. Not sure if his strengths equate to Shaka's system but it appears the defensive side of the ball is not a weakness.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 08, 2026, 10:57:59 AMSo call them wings and add Stevens to the mix. How many more does MU need?
IMO, they need someone who can backup at point and rotate with James and Stevens and they need a center.
Don't mistake quantity for quality. I'm expecting Marquette to add a starting C and the backup PG/combo guard you're asking for, as well as another wing.
Some of those lesser wing players may decide to transfer, or maybe Phillips returns and ends up redshirting. Ethan and Alex are both pretty raw, so they are in the redshirt discussion as well.
But first and foremost, Shaka needs to address top end quality by adding a starter at the 3.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 08, 2026, 11:37:16 AMDon't mistake quantity for quality. I'm expecting Marquette to add a starting C and the backup PG/combo guard you're asking for, as well as another wing.
Some of those lesser wing players may decide to transfer, or maybe Phillips returns and ends up redshirting. Ethan and Alex are both pretty raw, so they are in the redshirt discussion as well.
But first and foremost, Shaka needs to address top end quality by adding a starter at the 3.
I was all in your corner until the last sentence. First and foremost? A 5. Other than that, we agree.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 08, 2026, 11:37:16 AMDon't mistake quantity for quality. I'm expecting Marquette to add a starting C and the backup PG/combo guard you're asking for, as well as another wing.
Some of those lesser wing players may decide to transfer, or maybe Phillips returns and ends up redshirting. Ethan and Alex are both pretty raw, so they are in the redshirt discussion as well.
But first and foremost, Shaka needs to address top end quality by adding a starter at the 3.
Agree - we need to replace two starters and add a few rotation pieces. Big additions are necessary to get back to winning ways.
Get a quick jumping tough rebounder, a Ric Cobb type player who is a little taller then Rick was
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2026, 06:52:06 AMI think people are going to discover that landing players better than the senior versions of Ross and Gold is going to be a lot harder than people think.
For Chase - Maybe, but there will be dozens of guys with better or equal advanced stats.
For Ben - No, it will not be hard to land a player better than the senior version of him. He's been shocking this year and the stats bear that out.
Now that's only part of the equation. Fit, buy-in, mentality will mostly be unknowns and we'll just have to see how it plays out.
Quote from: rccola42 on March 08, 2026, 10:14:43 AMMinnesale is definitely a target and I fully expect him on the roster next season.
Do you have any more details to share with us?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2026, 08:30:31 AMDo you watch the games? Or just read the newspaper after every game to see the win and loss columns?
They've started to look a lot better. Our Freshman and Sophomores are our best players and they just beat a 27-3 UConn team. Assuming they use the portal as they've told us, they will be good. No reason to believe they will not be.
They also lost to a 16-15 DePaul team twice. One could also say a 27-3 team did not play their A game and lost to a bad team on the road. Playing better in the Big East is no cause for celebration as the league really stinks this season. Some here say Nova is a fraud and their record does not reflect what a bad team they are and they may be right, again, because the league really stinks. Now if we get the chance to play UCONN next Thursday and hold Karaban to 2 points again and win I will concede they are playing a lot better and hope that continues into next season.
Who wants to watch a team with players that have great stats but can't win games. The win and loss column is the only stat that matters in the end, no?
I think Minnesale would be great off of our bench as a 20 mpg guy.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2026, 11:42:27 AMI was all in your corner until the last sentence. First and foremost? A 5. Other than that, we agree.
To clarify, I think adding a starting 5 is just as big of priority as adding a starting 3.
I was only talking about adding a starting 3 as being the top priority in relation to the other options Marquette has at the 3.
Sorry for the confusion.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2026, 12:17:08 PMThey also lost to a 16-15 DePaul team twice. One could also say a 27-3 team did not play their A game and lost to a bad team on the road. Or you could be ecstatic about the upset Playing better in the Big East is no cause for celebration as the league really stinks your attitude really stinks this season. Some here say Nova is a fraud you're a fraud if you claim to be a Marquette fan and their record does not reflect what a bad team they are and they may be right, again, because the league really stinks. And again, you attitude really stinks Now if we get the chance to play UCONN next Thursday and hold Karaban to 2 points again and win I will concede they are playing a lot better ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and hope that continues into next season.
Who wants to watch a team with players that have great stats but can't win games. Who wants to listen to you bitch bitch bitch? The win and loss column is the only stat that matters in the end, no?
Hope Leon Bond is in the conversation
Quote from: Boone on March 08, 2026, 12:33:23 PMHope Leon Bond is in the conversation
Why? Unless he wants a significantly reduced role to play back home...
It's too bad Hornseth is only 6'8, he's really good. Just not big enough to be an option for us as a potential starting 5 man in the Big East.
Shaka knows him well so no vetting required from a character/cultural standpoint. On court he's improved his skills — especially his shooting. Good defender. Bond wanted to transfer here when left UVA but we had Ross so Shaka declined. Won't be the case next year. Timing is right.
Quote from: Boone on March 08, 2026, 12:45:48 PMShaka knows him well so no vetting required from a character/cultural standpoint. On court he's improved his skills — especially his shooting. Good defender. Bond wanted to transfer here when left UVA but we had Ross so Shaka declined. Won't be the case next year. Timing is right.
I guess if he wants a reduced role as a back up point who can give you minutes and some hustle.
He's more of a wing. Minessale could handle back up point duties. But Bond-Minessale combo would fill backcourt holes
Quote from: rccola42 on March 08, 2026, 10:14:43 AMMinnesale is definitely a target and I fully expect him on the roster next season.
The complete confidence with which you state this is impressive.
Care to expound on why you are 100% sure this will happen?
Bond would be a nice veteran bench piece if he was open to that kind of role.
If he is our starting 3, and only wing/guard addition, we failed in the portal.
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2026, 01:37:28 PMThe complete confidence with which you state this is impressive.
Care to expound on why you are 100% sure this will happen?
Just what I've heard
For the record, I'm all for adding Minessale. Given that he has two years of eligibility left, the more realistic implications of such a move is that it means effectively parting ways with a player in this group: Owens, Walker, Phillips, or Miletic (two of whom I should have included in my previous post). I think it's naive to assume that any of these guys will want to spend another year in or be relegated to the deep bench. I'd actually be fine with 2 wing upgrades, but they're ultimately replacing players in that group.
IMO, kind of fantasy talk to think we'll drop our bottom few players who don't play anyway and add impact transfers and the middle guys, who become the bottom guys, will just be happy.
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2026, 01:37:28 PMThe complete confidence with which you state this is impressive.
Care to expound on why you are 100% sure this will happen?
I was going to say something about him hearing it from a guy he golfs with, but I have decided to not do that, so I won't.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2026, 03:35:39 PMFor the record, I'm all for adding Minessale. Given that he has two years of eligibility left, the more realistic implications of such a move is that it means effectively parting ways with a player in this group: Owens, Walker, Phillips, or Miletic (two of whom I should have included in my previous post). I think it's naive to assume that any of these guys will want to spend another year in or be relegated to the deep bench. I'd actually be fine with 2 wing upgrades, but they're ultimately replacing players in that group.
IMO, kind of fantasy talk to think we'll drop our bottom few players who don't play anyway and add impact transfers and the middle guys, who become the bottom guys, will just be happy.
You don't think it is Fantasy talk to part ways with Walker and Miletic? They haven't played one minute for MU and they are on their way out the door?
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 08, 2026, 04:06:58 PMYou don't think it is Fantasy talk to part ways with Walker and Miletic? They haven't played one minute for MU and they are on their way out the door?
I was clear in what I said was fantasy talk.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2026, 03:35:39 PMFor the record, I'm all for adding Minessale. Given that he has two years of eligibility left, the more realistic implications of such a move is that it means effectively parting ways with a player in this group: Owens, Walker, Phillips, or Miletic (two of whom I should have included in my previous post). I think it's naive to assume that any of these guys will want to spend another year in or be relegated to the deep bench. I'd actually be fine with 2 wing upgrades, but they're ultimately replacing players in that group.
IMO, kind of fantasy talk to think we'll drop our bottom few players who don't play anyway and add impact transfers and the middle guys, who become the bottom guys, will just be happy.
Except the guys you are referring to aren't "middle guys" yet, aside from Owens. Miletic and Walker have 4 years of eligibility. Phillips obviously has 3. Maybe Phillips redshirts.
If we have 3 transfers in (hypothetically a center, wing and combo guard), it makes sense for two of them to be seniors with one-year of eligibility left (especially the center).
But I really don't think adding a wing or combo guard with 2 years left will necessarily lead to one of the guys we'd like to retain heading out the door.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2026, 04:41:32 PMExcept the guys you are referring to aren't "middle guys" yet, aside from Owens. Miletic and Walker have 4 years of eligibility. Phillips obviously has 3. Maybe Phillips redshirts.
If we have 3 transfers in (hypothetically a center, wing and combo guard), it makes sense for two of them to be seniors with one-year of eligibility left (especially the center).
But I really don't think adding a wing or combo guard with 2 years left will necessarily lead to one of the guys we'd like to retain heading out the door.
Hope you are right. Just think there will be more of a cost to adding transfers than most here are acknowledging. For example, I'm sure the Badgers would have liked to get rid of one of their end of the bench stiffs and retain Freitag when they brought in Boyd. Worked out for them this year, but they also lost a pretty promising looking young player.
Definitely not advocating against any strategy to continually improve the roster going forward. Just wanted to note that Shaka doesn't have much history here in recruiting over players, which is what he would be doing in the case of Minessale. I think the 1 vs 2 years of eligibility makes a huge difference.
A senior combo guard seems like an obvious hole in the lineup and will be filled with no issue. No idea where Shaka sees the other shortcomings. I liked the idea of Byrd and could see no unwanted transfers out with that one, given he has one year left. Minessale I think we lose a young wing, which is fine with me. Also, Shaka lit up like a Christmas tree when Dodds asked him about Caedin in the post game presser yesterday. Said Caedin is realizing he can play with Reed, Zuby, etc. Will believe it when I see it if we get another big.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 08, 2026, 01:50:00 PMBond would be a nice veteran bench piece if he was open to that kind of role.
If he is our starting 3, and only wing/guard addition, we failed in the portal.
Agree with this. But have not seen much of Bond. He had a nice dunk today and is athletic but his foot speed on defense was not quickest from the minutes I saw. Could see why Shaka picked Chase. Am biased on Minessale since I love the family. Bizjack is interesting since I have heard although not confirmed that there is some type of connection with Tony Smith.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2026, 05:41:31 PMHope you are right. Just think there will be more of a cost to adding transfers than most here are acknowledging. For example, I'm sure the Badgers would have liked to get rid of one of their end of the bench stiffs and retain Freitag when they brought in Boyd. Worked out for them this year, but they also lost a pretty promising looking young player.
Definitely not advocating against any strategy to continually improve the roster going forward. Just wanted to note that Shaka doesn't have much history here in recruiting over players, which is what he would be doing in the case of Minessale. I think the 1 vs 2 years of eligibility makes a huge difference.
A senior combo guard seems like an obvious hole in the lineup and will be filled with no issue. No idea where Shaka sees the other shortcomings. I liked the idea of Byrd and could see no unwanted transfers out with that one, given he has one year left. Minessale I think we lose a young wing, which is fine with me. Also, Shaka lit up like a Christmas tree when Dodds asked him about Caedin in the post game presser yesterday. Said Caedin is realizing he can play with Reed, Zuby, etc. Will believe it when I see it if we get another big.
The bolded bit is insightful and worth flagging. Shaka has been quite explicit about not wanting to recruit over players and he has also implied that he'd be willing to use the portal to fill gaps. All that, along with investing and believing in development. This offseason he'll really need to face up to talent gaps and try to turn things around next year. In year 1, he brought in two 1-year players (Kuath and Morsell) and two multi-year players (Kolek and O-Max). Now, if he brings in any 2-year players, he'll be hinting that the current redshirts and incoming freshman might not get the development opportunities that he's offered earlier classes. And that might lead to some of them, especially in the crowded positions, to look elsewhere.
I'm guessing that Shaka will stick with his commitment to development (ie, double down on his youngsters) and use the portal this year to make up for a weak junior class. That is, he'll bring in 1 or 2 1-year players. Any other roster openings will be given to projects, late signing freshmen, or held for mid-year recruits/transfers.
Don't think Shaka brings in any absolute projects this offseason, he already has plenty.
Depending on how many departures there are, I would expect 2-3 players with somewhat of a pedigree and 1-3 years of eligibility left.
I know that's a wide range, but he's had success with guys like Kolek/Omax who showed him potential with plenty left in the eligibility tank and a guy like Kur on the last leg of the tank.
I would think someone with 2 years left to play with Nigel/Adrien/Royce/DO is much preferred to a guy with one year left in Shaka's mind, but that's obviously conjecture.
It would not surprise me if he took a more established 1 year remaining 2/3 combo with the ability to score and/or elite defensive skills, and ditto with a guy that can be a defensive difference maker lob threat at the 5, but depending on what's available I think he would prefer someone with a few years left.
It would surprise me if he didn't try to bring in 2 difference makers, however.
I think James, Stevens, and Parham are starters. Bring in a scoring wing to start would seem to mean that DO leaves or is content to come off the bench for at least another year and possibly two.
With Kim English out the door, anyone know if Jamier Jones is someone we could bring in?
Quote from: mug644 on March 08, 2026, 09:10:26 PMThe bolded bit is insightful and worth flagging. Shaka has been quite explicit about not wanting to recruit over players and he has also implied that he'd be willing to use the portal to fill gaps. All that, along with investing and believing in development. This offseason he'll really need to face up to talent gaps and try to turn things around next year. In year 1, he brought in two 1-year players (Kuath and Morsell) and two multi-year players (Kolek and O-Max). Now, if he brings in any 2-year players, he'll be hinting that the current redshirts and incoming freshman might not get the development opportunities that he's offered earlier classes. And that might lead to some of them, especially in the crowded positions, to look elsewhere.
I'm guessing that Shaka will stick with his commitment to development (ie, double down on his youngsters) and use the portal this year to make up for a weak junior class. That is, he'll bring in 1 or 2 1-year players. Any other roster openings will be given to projects, late signing freshmen, or held for mid-year recruits/transfers.
Shaka recruits over players all the time. This team starts two freshman and a sophomore. That doesn't happen if you don't recruit over upper classmen.
This whole recruit over thing is just semantics.......Adrian wasn't expected to be the starter this year but he earned it and he is........Lowery was expected to be a starter and he lost it and he's gone.
If Shaka brings in a portal guy they might expect him to start but there are no guarantees.......which is good .....you tell the existing players that just like with Nigel and Adrian jobs are there to be won.
If they bring in Minnessale and when he gets here Owens or Walker or Ian beats him out then that's how it will go.....and that's good.....we don't know how good any of them will be next year.
Nigel was probably expecting to wait his turn when he got here.......back up for a year or 2 and then take over........the injury changed the timing but does anybody really think that change still wouldn't have happened even without the injury?
He was better than Sean and would have passed him injury or no.
Wisconsin brought in multiple guys over the last few years......some were huge pieces......some were not.
There was no reason to think Tonje was going to be an all American when they signed him........but that's what happened. Boyd has been great......some others hardly played and left.
I hope they bring in at least 1 or 2 guys with only 1 year left.....the 27 class is loaded and it's much easier to manage the roster with a couple of seniors using up eligibility. Plus the idea of adding pieces is not only a talent upgrade but also to get older and more experienced to give the young guys time.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2026, 03:14:14 AMShaka recruits over players all the time. This team starts two freshman and a sophomore. That doesn't happen if you don't recruit over upper classmen.
On the other hand, it's apparent Shaka's plan was not to start two freshmen and a sophomore this year. Circumstances kind of forced his hand on that.
That said, I don't doubt Shaka is willing to recruit over players. He wasn't going to strap Kon Knueppel to the bench.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2026, 07:23:37 AMOn the other hand, it's apparent Shaka's plan was not to start two freshmen and a sophomore this year. Circumstances kind of forced his hand on that.
Circumstances (injuries and a guy leaving) "saved" the season for us. Which makes the outlook for next year concerning.
#GleagueOrBust
The issue of eligibility is less important to me than experience. We need guys who have been there before. We need physically and emotionally mature hoopers who can navigate game situations. I also think we have so many young pieces that it suits us better to sign a senior that raises our floor/ceiling while not standing in the way of these good recruits long-term. Zaide was expected back for his senior season, he should be replaced with a senior. It helps with the flow of the roster + recruiting.
Caedin had a decent game, but I'm worried that he's starting to convince the staff that the center position isn't a portal priority... It absolutely should be.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2026, 07:23:37 AMOn the other hand, it's apparent Shaka's plan was not to start two freshmen and a sophomore this year. Circumstances kind of forced his hand on that.
Non-top-50 freshmen are rarely expected to start for a P5 team coming off consecutive NCAA tournament appearances with most of its roster returning. James and Stevens were expected to be in the rotation right away, and they were.
The circumstance that led Stevens to start was him outplaying and/or outpracticing Lowery. The circumstance that led James to start was Jones' injury ... but there were Scoopers who were convinced that Jones would be handed his starting job back as soon as he was healthy because "Shaka is too loyal to older guys and doesn't start freshmen"; they were wrong. I don't know what Shaka was thinking when he didn't start Parham; that decision seems especially ridiculous.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2026, 03:14:14 AMShaka recruits over players all the time. This team starts two freshman and a sophomore. That doesn't happen if you don't recruit over upper classmen.
Not hard to do with our current senior and junior classes. Our current sophomore class with the exception of RP is nothing to sing home about either. The point is you shouldn't have to recruit over players, especially senior and juniors, as they should be performing at the high D1 level already.
Smooth looking jumper. Some athleticism too.
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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2026, 01:38:25 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2031067368110109135
^^dingbat can't spell NM's name correctly.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 09, 2026, 09:36:45 AMThe issue of eligibility is less important to me than experience. We need guys who have been there before. We need physically and emotionally mature hoopers who can navigate game situations. I also think we have so many young pieces that it suits us better to sign a senior that raises our floor/ceiling while not standing in the way of these good recruits long-term. Zaide was expected back for his senior season, he should be replaced with a senior. It helps with the flow of the roster + recruiting.
Caedin had a decent game, but I'm worried that he's starting to convince the staff that the center position isn't a portal priority... It absolutely should be.
It's going to take a lot more than one 4 point 2 rebound game with some decent defense to convince him imo
He got fooled this year and to and extent even last year..........The Who wrote a song about that iirc......😎
I think he will bring someone in......might be a combo 4/5 type......and if Caeden wants to compete for playing time with Sheek and Clark( if he's here) great...........
In the little bit I saw Minessale, he didn't stand out that much to me. That said, I never thought Sikma would be in the NBA after watching him at Illinois Wesleyan so I've had my share of missed evaluations. Minessale was grabbing his back so maybe he was hurt. He did give a lot of effort. If he comes to MU, I hope he's very successful.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2026, 01:38:25 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2031067368110109135
Marquette or the NBA? Tough choice!
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2026, 05:07:35 PMMarquette or the NBA? Tough choice!
He's a deep cut NBA draft prospect. Not projected to be drafted this year, but someone the draftniks are keeping an eye on.
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Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 09, 2026, 09:36:45 AMThe issue of eligibility is less important to me than experience. We need guys who have been there before. We need physically and emotionally mature hoopers who can navigate game situations. I also think we have so many young pieces that it suits us better to sign a senior that raises our floor/ceiling while not standing in the way of these good recruits long-term. Zaide was expected back for his senior season, he should be replaced with a senior. It helps with the flow of the roster + recruiting.
Caedin had a decent game, but I'm worried that he's starting to convince the staff that the center position isn't a portal priority... It absolutely should be.
I can't imagine a world where we go into next year with Caedin, Clark and Pearson as our 5 options. We'd be in deep trouble.
If they don't make a portal add at center I actually think Sheek might take the starting spot depending on how the offseason goes. His pedigree and promise would be too tempting for Shaka not to at least try it. I'm sure he's added plenty of muscle already and will only get bigger this offseason. His skills are already there from what I've seen and those certainly aren't getting worse with a full year of college coaching and training.
Still, we need a proven big man to start for us next year. Royce holding down the 4 and Sheek alternating between the 4/5 gives us nice depth and different looks. Caedin or Clark in spot minutes isn't the worst thing in the world.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 10, 2026, 09:14:53 AMStill, we need a proven big man to start for us next year. Royce holding down the 4 and Sheek alternating between the 4/5 gives us nice depth and different looks. Caedin or Clark in spot minutes isn't the worst thing in the world.
Agree. It's difficult to conceive that anyone would be excited about a 4-point game from Ham,
given that he is what he is after essentially three full years in the program.
I'm hearing on the 247 board that "Shaka is only going after guys he has a relationship with." While I think that (if true) is just another self-imposed limit on the approach, I've scoured a few off the recruits he went after that fit the need. Carey Booth from Colorado State could certainly work.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5037880/carey-booth
Nick Janowski is another guy they recruited. He's now running mates with Nolan Minnesale (who every single one of you seems obsessed with) and is a combo-guard who can run point. If it's a "buy low" situation that merely gives us a backup PG, then that's fine with me.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5060721/nick-janowski
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 10, 2026, 11:26:41 AMAgree. It's difficult to conceive that anyone would be excited about a 4-point game from Ham,
given that he is what he is after essentially three full years in the program.
Hamilton played nicely on Saturday though had his usual share of bad plays as well. His 4 points were the direct result of beautiful passes from NJ. Glad for him, but that still doesn't inspire hope for the future as a rotation guy.
I guess I'm not seeing any Scoopers who supposedly are "excited about a 4-point game from Ham."
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 10, 2026, 12:20:53 PMI'm hearing on the 247 board that "Shaka is only going after guys he has a relationship with." While I think that (if true) is just another self-imposed limit on the approach
That is quite the limiting approach if true. That massively reduces the talent pool. This could be a CLM for Shaka. CLM - career limiting move.
So someone on Dodd's board (great place to get information...) says he'll only recruit kids he has a relationship with from the past. Meanwhile, we have Scoop's finest saying he's a "grudge guy" and won't recruit anyone who he's recruited in the past.
Lol.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2026, 01:47:09 PMSo someone on Dodd's board (great place to get information...) says he'll only recruit kids he has a relationship with from the past. Meanwhile, we have Scoop's finest saying he's a "grudge guy" and won't recruit anyone who he's recruited in the past.
Lol.
Well, we also heard names like Miles Byrd, who as far as I can tell, Shaka never recruited.
So really who knows?
Like with recruiting, I will judge on results.
Im sure a past recruiting relationship wouldnt hurt, but it definitely isnt a requirement for the transfers we are interested in.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2026, 01:47:09 PMSo someone on Dodd's board (great place to get information...) says he'll only recruit kids he has a relationship with from the past. Meanwhile, we have Scoop's finest saying he's a "grudge guy" and won't recruit anyone who he's recruited in the past.
Lol.
The relationship in the past thing is from an interview a year or two ago where Shaka was stating the parameters in which he would take a transfer. Mentioned someone they have a previous relationship with, who fits/understands the culture and it just wasn't the right time.
Maybe he's doubled down on that again but I'm guessing that's where the dodds poster got that snippet from.
It's almost as if message board insiders are not to be trusted.
#donedeal
#iamthesource
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 10, 2026, 01:57:51 PMThe relationship in the past thing is from an interview a year or two ago where Shaka was stating the parameters in which he would take a transfer. Mentioned someone they have a previous relationship with, who fits/understands the culture and it just wasn't the right time.
Maybe he's doubled down on that again but I'm guessing that's where the dodds poster got that snippet from.
I just can't fathom only going after guys who you have recruited before. There are about 2000 guys in portal - lets say 20 guys who were previously recruited hit the portal. That is 1% of the available players you are limiting yourself to. That is a sure way to get fired unless Oswin is the portal center, Minessale is the wing and some other high profile PG is coming.
Unless I've confused my posters( always possible) I believe the guy who posted that on Dodds board is also a frequent and respected poster on this board.
I took it as he would target guys he had a relationship with if those guys also fit what we need.........but not necessarily that he won't look at others as well.
As Sultan said time will tell.......having a relationship is a good thing if the guy wants to come and can help us.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 10, 2026, 02:22:47 PMI just can't fathom only going after guys who you have recruited before. There are about 2000 guys in portal - lets say 20 guys who were previously recruited hit the portal. That is 1% of the available players you are limiting yourself to. That is a sure way to get fired unless Oswin is the portal center, Minessale is the wing and some other high profile PG is coming.
Shaka never recruited Minessale before, so the report is obviously BS.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 10, 2026, 02:35:29 PMShaka never recruited Minessale before, so the report is obviously BS.
Do we 100% fully know for truth Minnessale is being recruited to MU? Or is that just scoop rumors as well?
Quote from: MUbiz on March 10, 2026, 02:51:59 PMDo we 100% fully know for truth Minnessale is being recruited to MU? Or is that just scoop rumors as well?
I have heard mixed reports.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 10, 2026, 02:51:59 PMDo we 100% fully know for truth Minnessale is being recruited to MU? Or is that just scoop rumors as well?
There is no "Minnessale".
I think we should get outraged in advance about something that might or (most likely) might not be true.
Me so mad!!!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2026, 02:16:42 PMIt's almost as if message board insiders are not to be trusted.
#donedeal
#iamthesource
LOL. You forgot #Fake news
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Is there some sort of connection between Myles Bird and Marquette?
We landed Koby McEwen out of the MW, so there must be!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 10, 2026, 06:26:30 PMIs there some sort of connection between Myles Bird and Marquette?
Onepost name dropped him as a player of interest.
If he does transfer to Marquette, hopefully people learn to spell his name correctly.
Quote from: PJDunn on March 10, 2026, 06:30:27 PMWe landed Koby McEwen out of the MW, so there must be!
I'm excited for Koby's overdue jersey retirement ceremony.
Quote from: MuMark on March 10, 2026, 02:34:20 PMUnless I've confused my posters( always possible) I believe the guy who posted that on Dodds board is also a frequent and respected poster on this board.
I took it as he would target guys he had a relationship with if those guys also fit what we need.........but not necessarily that he won't look at others as well.
As Sultan said time will tell.......having a relationship is a good thing if the guy wants to come and can help us.
Fair assessment of the situation.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 10, 2026, 12:20:53 PMI'm hearing on the 247 board that "Shaka is only going after guys he has a relationship with."
I don't think this is true whatsoever.
I just thought of a center, who Shaka recruited at Marquette, and is the leading scorer and rebounder of a mid-major team one step away from the NCAA tournament. He can also step out and hit the three at a 36% clip.
Do you think we should be interested?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2026, 08:19:02 PMI just thought of a center, who Shaka recruited at Marquette, and is the leading scorer and rebounder of a mid-major team one step away from the NCAA tournament. He can also step out and hit the three at a 36% clip.
Do you think we should be interested?
Gus Yalden?
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 10, 2026, 08:33:58 PMGus Yalden?
YES!
And to answer my own question...no...we shouldn't be interested.
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YES!
And to answer my own question...no...we shouldn't be interested.
[/quote]Well, he is due for his annual transfer! ;D
Watching Graves from Santa Clara and I'd love him on MU but I think we need someone more athletic in the paint.
Pairing him with Royce would be so fun but I doubt our interior defense would be elite
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 10, 2026, 06:26:30 PMIs there some sort of connection between Myles Bird and Marquette?
Myles & Iggy are both birds
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 10, 2026, 09:51:06 PMMyles & Iggy are both birds
#FakeNews #Lies
Miles is a Byrd.
Maybe we can name the law school after him as an NIL deal.
The Byrd Law School would both reel in a prospect and be a great marketing tool for the Bird Law program at the school.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 11, 2026, 10:15:54 AMMaybe we can name the law school after him as an NIL deal.
The Byrd Law School would both reel in a prospect and be a great marketing tool for the Bird Law program at the school.
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Quote from: cheebs09 on March 11, 2026, 10:15:54 AMMaybe we can name the law school after him as an NIL deal.
The Byrd Law School would both reel in a prospect and be a great marketing tool for the Bird Law program at the school.
Are you telling me birds have their own parallel legal system?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2026, 10:34:43 AMAre you telling me birds have their own parallel legal system?
Well, they're not actually real so...
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 10, 2026, 06:54:19 PMI'm excited for Koby's overdue jersey retirement ceremony.
Koby is certainly more deserving that Doc. Glenn's biggest accomplishment at MU was stealing Marotta's girlfriend.
Fresh off his 22-point, 24-rebound game for Washington, 6-foot-11 German import Hannes Steinbach sure would look good in a Marquette uniform.
All it would take to outbid Washington, other potential suitors and the NBA would be a bag of maybe $6-7 million. Not a problem, right?
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2026, 12:22:53 PMFresh off his 22-point, 24-rebound game for Washington, 6-foot-11 German import Hannes Steinbach sure would look good in a Marquette uniform.
All it would take to outbid Washington, other potential suitors and the NBA would be a bag of maybe $6-7 million. Not a problem, right?
Send him to Mader's....
Back up the brat truck!
Some keep asking "What's the harm of keeping Caedin around as a bench player?"
The answer, as we saw tonight, is that Shaka can't seem the resist the urge to play him, despite mountains of evidence that it's going to hurt the team.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2026, 07:57:12 PMSome keep asking "What's the harm of keeping Caedin around as a bench player?"
The answer, as we saw tonight, is that Shaka can't seem the resist the urge to play him, despite mountains of evidence that it's going to hurt the team.
Hamilton is just clueless on the floor. Keep Clark as the project for one more season to see what he has. Norman, Hamilton, Jones, and possibly Owens should be gone.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2026, 07:57:12 PMSome keep asking "What's the harm of keeping Caedin around as a bench player?"
The answer, as we saw tonight, is that Shaka can't seem the resist the urge to play him, despite mountains of evidence that it's going to hurt the team.
I'm just ... I can't understand Shaka and staff. It makes no sense. Gonna take some gummies and try to make sense of this.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 11, 2026, 07:59:55 PMHamilton is just clueless on the floor. Keep Clark as the project for one more season to see what he has. Norman, Hamilton, Jones, and possibly Owens should be gone.
No reason to move on from Owens. 2 of Jones, Norman, Hamilton or Clark should move on.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2026, 07:57:12 PMSome keep asking "What's the harm of keeping Caedin around as a bench player?"
The answer, as we saw tonight, is that Shaka can't seem the resist the urge to play him, despite mountains of evidence that it's going to hurt the team.
Isn't the handwriting on the wall? In a game when Gold was gassed, James was gassed, Hamilton played 5 minutes, Norman played 4 minutes and Clark zero. Shaka has zero confidence in these players and only plays them to get a quick breather for his starters. The substitutions usually coincide with a TV timeout, to help out.
See what happens in few weeks after post season player exit interviews and the portal opening.
Quote from: nyg on March 11, 2026, 08:03:32 PMIsn't the handwriting on the wall? In a game when Gold was gassed, James was gassed, Hamilton played 5 minutes, Norman played 4 minutes and Clark zero. Shaka has zero confidence in these players and only plays them to get a quick breather for his starters. The substitutions usually coincide with a TV timeout, to help out.
See what happens in few weeks after post season player exit interviews and the portal opening.
I don't really care too much if Hamilton and Norman play 5 and 4 minutes respectively. I don't love when those minutes overlap like that did today. Both of them on the court at the same time is a problem.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 08:06:00 PMI don't really care too much if Hamilton and Norman play 5 and 4 minutes respectively. I don't love when those minutes overlap like that did today. Both of them on the court at the same time is a problem.
I care. Shaka is crazy
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 11, 2026, 08:06:31 PMI care. Shaka is crazy
I'd rather they not play but this team has minimal depth. Playing them together compounds the issue.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 08:02:52 PMNo reason to move on from Owens. 2 of Jones, Norman, Hamilton or Clark should move on.
Owens is a great athlete, but he plays soft and makes poor decisions. If he stays I hope he does well, but he hasn't shown me he belongs.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 08:06:00 PMI don't really care too much if Hamilton and Norman play 5 and 4 minutes respectively. I don't love when those minutes overlap like that did today. Both of them on the court at the same time is a problem.
OK, Hamilton played 5 minutes, 3 of which were with Norman. Norman played 4 minutes, 3 of which were with Hamilton.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 11, 2026, 08:09:06 PMOwens is a great athlete, but he plays soft and makes poor decisions. If he stays I hope he does well, but he hasn't shown me he belongs.
I see a ton of talent and a high ceiling if he can put it together. Again, I don't see any reason to move on from him. You don't need his scholarship to create room for transfers and he could be a nice piece off the bench.
Could have a Jajuan Johnson-like trajectory.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 08:13:02 PMI see a ton of talent and a high ceiling if he can put it together. Again, I don't see any reason to move on from him. You don't need his scholarship to create room for transfers and he could be a nice piece off the bench.
Could have a Jajuan Johnson-like trajectory.
People are forgetting parham and Owens are tight and more or less came as a package deal. It would surprise me if one left and the other stayed.
Three is not enough
Quote from: jfp61 on March 11, 2026, 08:17:07 PMThree is not enough
If they're the right ones it is.
If it's more, great. I just don't realistically see Shaka clearing that many spots.
1) Badass 5.
2) Badass 2-Way Sniper.
3) Badass Switchable.
If we hit this trifecta, we'll be in business.
Shaka will fill Zaide's scholly. Otherwise and unless Sean were to graduate and move on, this team... along with the RS's and incoming recruits, will be back. Thus, 1 transfer in, no more than 2.
Staff? Maybe Shaka makes a change. Whoever scouted this current junior class needs to move on. Ultimately it rests with Shaka. His seat is hot, as it should be. 26/27 is make the dance, or aloha means goodbye.
Quote from: panda on March 11, 2026, 08:14:49 PMPeople are forgetting parham and Owens are tight and more or less came as a package deal. It would surprise me if one left and the other stayed.
I wouldn't call them a package deal. They didn't link up until after both committed to Marquette.
Royce didn't move to Western Reserve Academy until his senior year, while Damarius was there for sure as a junior, and I believe even earlier than that.
I think both will individually decide to do what they feel is best for themselves.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 11, 2026, 08:22:06 PM1) Badass 5.
2) Badass 2-Way Sniper.
3) Badass Switchable.
If we hit this trifecta, we'll be in business.
Again, as stated by others, Shaka needs a backup guard to help with the minutes of James and Stevens. Both were gassed tonight and James makes some dumb turnovers/bad shots when tired. Jones injury hurt the rotation, Norman not the answer, otherwise he would have received a lot more minutes during the season. Owens not the answer and I have no clue about the redshirts, maybe Shaka does.
Quote from: Viper on March 11, 2026, 08:30:02 PMShaka will fill Zaide's scholly. Otherwise and unless Sean were to graduate and move on, this team... along with the RS's and incoming recruits, will be back. Thus, 1 transfer in, no more than 2.
Staff? Maybe Shaka makes a change. Whoever scouted this current junior class needs to move on. Ultimately it rests with Shaka. His seat is hot, as it should be. 26/27 is make the dance, or aloha means goodbye.
Cody Hatt recruited Tre Norman, but he also recruited Kolek and James, so I guess Shaka will keep him.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2026, 08:30:47 PMI wouldn't call them a package deal. They didn't link up until after both committed to Marquette.
Royce didn't move to Western Reserve Academy until his senior year, while Damarius was there for sure as a junior, and I believe even earlier than that.
I think both will individually decide to do what they feel is best for themselves.
Fake news #lies
Oddly, I think we all anticipated a 18-20 loss season in year 1 under Shaka. Coming off a dumpster in Wojo's final season, along with incoming unknowns, and yet Shaka got MU to the dance. Year 5 a 20 L season I did not foresee.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 11, 2026, 08:01:56 PMI'm just ... I can't understand Shaka and staff. It makes no sense. Gonna take some gummies and try to make sense of this.
Sir that's illegal federally!
Quote from: Viper on March 11, 2026, 08:30:02 PMShaka will fill Zaide's scholly. Otherwise and unless Sean were to graduate and move on, this team... along with the RS's and incoming recruits, will be back. Thus, 1 transfer in, no more than 2.
Staff? Maybe Shaka makes a change. Whoever scouted this current junior class needs to move on. Ultimately it rests with Shaka. His seat is hot, as it should be. 26/27 is make the dance, or aloha means goodbye.
Bro, Sean is 10000% gone and has been since Nigel took the starting pg.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 08:18:48 PMIf they're the right ones it is.
If it's more, great. I just don't realistically see Shaka clearing that many spots.
What makes anyone think this staff goes 3/3?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2026, 07:57:12 PMSome keep asking "What's the harm of keeping Caedin around as a bench player?"
The answer, as we saw tonight, is that Shaka can't seem the resist the urge to play him, despite mountains of evidence that it's going to hurt the team.
On a roster with bigs of Royce, Gold, Clark, and nobody else, he played all of 5 minutes. If Shaka lands a starting 5 in the portal I have zero doubt he'll play minimal meaningful minutes next year with Sheek also joining the big man rotation.
I need to see 3 really good transfers in. As long as Nigel, Royce, and Stevens are back, I'm fine with any of the rest finding a new landing spot and filling their spot with transfers. Would prefer to keep the redshirts plus Philips and Owens, but not going to worry about it if any of them leave. And won't worry about it if Hamilton is back, again assuming we add a good 5 from the portal. Shaka's issue isn't "can't resist playing Hamilton," it's "has literally no warm bodies beyond Caedin."
Quote from: wadesworld on March 11, 2026, 08:53:52 PMOn a roster with bigs of Royce, Gold, Clark, and nobody else, he played all of 5 minutes. If Shaka lands a starting 5 in the portal I have zero doubt he'll play minimal meaningful minutes next year with Sheek also joining the big man rotation.
We can hope, but I'd rather just remove the temptation.
X absolutely sh*tpumped us in those 5 minutes, which ended up being kind of important.
QuoteShaka's issue isn't "can't resist playing Hamilton," it's "has literally no warm bodies beyond Caedin."
That might be a fair argument against a team like UConn, but Xavier had nobody that was going to kill us inside if we went small and used Parham at the five for 5-10 minutes. It likely couldn't have been worse on the defensive end, and we could have countered with pace and scoring.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 11, 2026, 08:53:52 PMOn a roster with bigs of Royce, Gold, Clark, and nobody else, he played all of 5 minutes. If Shaka lands a starting 5 in the portal I have zero doubt he'll play minimal meaningful minutes next year with Sheek also joining the big man rotation.
I need to see 3 really good transfers in. As long as Nigel, Royce, and Stevens are back, I'm fine with any of the rest finding a new landing spot and filling their spot with transfers. Would prefer to keep the redshirts plus Philips and Owens, but not going to worry about it if any of them leave. And won't worry about it if Hamilton is back, again assuming we add a good 5 from the portal. Shaka's issue isn't "can't resist playing Hamilton," it's "has literally no warm bodies beyond Caedin."
Hamilton was/is absolutely atrocious.
IMO, Owens has shown great progress and is a valuable returning piece. Philips, well, MU doesn't exactly have a lot of good 3P shooters.
Tre...OK if he is the 11th-13th player.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 11, 2026, 09:02:22 PMHamilton was/is absolutely atrocious.
IMO, Owens has shown great progress and is a valuable returning piece. Philips, well, MU doesn't exactly have a lot of good 3P shooters.
Tre...OK if he is the 11th-13th player.
Phillips has more upside than Owens, IMO. Phillips is aggressive and isn't afraid to mix it up. He also looks like he might still be growing and could fill out.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 11, 2026, 09:10:21 PMPhillips has more upside than Owens, IMO. Phillips is aggressive and isn't afraid to mix it up. He also looks like he might still be growing and could fill out.
His lack of defensive awareness is alarming. I could see him playing spot minutes next season until he acclimates himself more on that end of the floor.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 11, 2026, 09:02:22 PMHamilton was/is absolutely atrocious.
IMO, Owens has shown great progress and is a valuable returning piece. Philips, well, MU doesn't exactly have a lot of good 3P shooters.
Tre...OK if he is the 11th-13th player.
Tre isn't staying to be the 12 man as a senior.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 11, 2026, 08:53:23 PMWhat makes anyone think this staff goes 3/3?
Morsell, Kuath, Kolek, and OMax.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on March 11, 2026, 09:23:12 PMTre isn't staying to be the 12 man as a senior.
Then he can go be a decent 6th man in the SWAC
Quote from: panda on March 11, 2026, 08:34:15 PMFake news #lies
Facts:
Damarius committed to Marquette in February of his junior year. He was attending Western Reserve Academy in Ohio at the time.
Royce committed to Marquette in April of his junior year. He was attending HS in the Pittsburgh area at the time.
Royce transferred to Western Reserve Academy for his senior year, becoming teammates with Damarius.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 11, 2026, 09:26:39 PMThen he can go be a decent 6th man in the SWAC
Gardner webb is in need of a high level d1 pg!
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2026, 09:26:56 PMFacts:
Damarius committed to Marquette in February of his junior year. He was attending Western Reserve Academy in Ohio at the time.
Royce committed to Marquette in April of his junior year. He was attending HS in the Pittsburgh area at the time.
Royce transferred to Western Reserve Academy for his senior year, becoming teammates with Damarius.
And they're really tight now. What's your point?
Quote from: nyg on March 11, 2026, 08:03:32 PMIsn't the handwriting on the wall? In a game when Gold was gassed, James was gassed, Hamilton played 5 minutes, Norman played 4 minutes and Clark zero. Shaka has zero confidence in these players and only plays them to get a quick breather for his starters. The substitutions usually coincide with a TV timeout, to help out.
See what happens in few weeks after post season player exit interviews and the portal opening.
Actually when Parham went to the line with 2.8 seconds left and we were down by three, Clark came in to rebound the intentionally missed second FT. I said to my brother, "imagine if Clark got the rebound and putback to tie it and go to OT." Career highlight!
Quote from: romey on March 11, 2026, 09:30:58 PMActually when Parham went to the line with 2.8 seconds left and we were down by three, Clark came in to rebound the intentionally missed second FT. I said to my brother, "imagine if Clark got the rebound and putback to tie it and go to OT." Career highlight!
To bad Ben got pushed off the block instead. Shocked me that Ben would be a push over in the finals seconds of his career. ::)
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on March 11, 2026, 09:32:42 PMTo bad Ben got pushed off the block instead. Shocked me that Ben would be a push over in the finals seconds of his career. ::)
Yeah most players get the offensive rebound off of missed free throws. Not Ben though, he suxs and is too soft.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 11, 2026, 09:35:05 PMYeah most players get the offensive rebound off of missed free throws. Not Ben though, he suxs and is too soft.
now youre getting it.
Quote from: panda on March 11, 2026, 09:30:07 PMAnd they're really tight now. What's your point?
That even close personal friends may choose different paths in life.
For example, Wade and Blankson were very close. They played on the same summer travel team in HS. They even called to commit Marquette at the same time on a conference call.
And yet, one decided to stay and one decided to transfer.
As for Royce and Damarius, if one of them chooses to leave, I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that other will also leave.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 08:13:02 PMI see a ton of talent and a high ceiling if he can put it together. Again, I don't see any reason to move on from him. You don't need his scholarship to create room for transfers and he could be a nice piece off the bench.
Could have a Jajuan Johnson-like trajectory.
Owens's defense at the end of the season was great. His length is a huge asset. If he can tighten his dribble and form into a 3-and-D wing I love having him on this team.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on March 11, 2026, 09:23:12 PMTre isn't staying to be the 12 man as a senior.
I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed. We'll see.
Quote from: onepost on March 11, 2026, 09:51:27 PMOwens's defense at the end of the season was great. His length is a huge asset. If he can tighten his dribble and form into a 3-and-D wing I love having him on this team.
His court awareness and feel for the game have to improve and I think that will come with more experience. It stills seems the game needs to slow down for him a bit more.
He just needs to put it all together and I'd like him to get that opportunity at Marquette.
Parsing through postgame pressers:
- Stevens and Parham both said they're back next season, ready to lead
- Shaka mentioned his excitement for Owens and Phillips specifically
- Shaka explicitly stated he thought more about roster construction mid-season than ever before and how badly we need depth next season...that didn't strike me as him having any faith in our current "depth" - IOW, see ya Tre, Sean, Caedin/Josh
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2026, 09:49:50 PMThat even close personal friends may choose different paths in life.
For example, Wade and Blankson were very close. They played on the same summer travel team in HS. They even called to commit Marquette at the same time on a conference call.
And yet, one decided to stay and one decided to transfer.
As for Royce and Damarius, if one of them chooses to leave, I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that other will also leave.
Cool story - they're tight. They won't split up.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 09:55:58 PMHis court awareness and feel for the game have to improve and I think that will come with more experience. It stills seems the game needs to slow down for him a bit more.
He just needs to put it all together and I'd like him to get that opportunity at Marquette.
Agree 100% VBMG. There were times it felt like the game was slowing down (@Butler, @DePaul, @Nova), but he definitely faded from late-Feb on. His floor is so high because of his athleticism, and he's absolutely a guy I want in a rotation going forward. Phillips obviously the same.
Quote from: onepost on March 11, 2026, 09:57:45 PMParsing through postgame pressers:
- Stevens and Parham both said they're back next season, ready to lead
- Shaka mentioned his excitement for Owens and Phillips specifically
- Shaka explicitly stated he thought more about roster construction mid-season than ever before and how badly we need depth next season...that didn't strike me as him having any faith in our current "depth" - IOW, see ya Tre, Sean, Caedin/Josh
Switch the backslash with an ampersand?
Quote from: panda on March 11, 2026, 09:57:53 PMCool story - they're tight. They won't split up.
I remember when Badger fans thought they were getting the Hauser brothers because they wouldn't split up.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 11, 2026, 10:03:11 PMSwitch the backslash with an ampersand?
In a perfect world!! If Shaka sends both out the door I'd be thrilled, but I would think he keeps one sadly.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 11, 2026, 10:05:20 PMI remember when Badger fans thought they were getting the Hauser brothers because they wouldn't split up.
Good point - all relationship are the same
Quote from: onepost on March 11, 2026, 09:51:27 PMOwens's defense at the end of the season was great. His length is a huge asset. If he can tighten his dribble and form into a 3-and-D wing I love having him on this team.
100%. DO only started getting minutes when his defense improved significantly. I don't know what the advanced stats say, but my impression was that be the end of the year he was pretty solid.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 11, 2026, 10:10:21 PM100%. DO only started getting minutes when his defense improved significantly. I don't know what the advanced stats say, but my impression was that be the end of the year he was pretty solid.
I'm almost certain Paint Touches did an article on how he went from like nation-worst to a top 100 defender basically overnight.
Quote from: onepost on March 11, 2026, 09:57:45 PMParsing through postgame pressers:
- Stevens and Parham both said they're back next season, ready to lead
- Shaka mentioned his excitement for Owens and Phillips specifically
- Shaka explicitly stated he thought more about roster construction mid-season than ever before and how badly we need depth next season...that didn't strike me as him having any faith in our current "depth" - IOW, see ya Tre, Sean, Caedin/Josh
Yup. Similar to Nigel's announcement, none of this should surprise those who have been paying attention the last few weeks.
I know it's not allowed on a day like today, but I'm gonna be optimistic about our program going forward.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 11, 2026, 10:10:21 PM100%. DO only started getting minutes when his defense improved significantly. I don't know what the advanced stats say, but my impression was that be the end of the year he was pretty solid.
Or maybe his defense improved because he was getting more consistent game minutes. Because players can get better when they play, not just when they practice.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2026, 10:18:03 PMYup. Similar to Nigel's announcement, none of this should surprise those who have been paying attention the last few weeks.
I know it's not allowed on a day like today, but I'm gonna be optimistic about our program going forward.
Right there with you, 82
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2026, 10:25:22 PMOr maybe his defense improved because he was getting more consistent game minutes. Because players can get better when they play, not just when they practice.
I'd say doubtful, only because you practice many more minutes than you play in games, but we'll likely never know.
However, once Zaide left it might have simply been Hobson's Choice, given Tre was the other option.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 11, 2026, 09:25:35 PMMorsell, Kuath, Kolek, and OMax.
The last transfer we took in, Zach Wrightsil was conviently left out.
Along with every single recruit they missed on, that flood our current roster.
Marquette would have been a better team in year one if they benched Kuath for Oso at the end of the year.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 11, 2026, 11:47:39 PMThe last transfer we took in, Zach Wrightsil was conviently left out.
Along with every single recruit they missed on, that flood our current roster.
Marquette would have been a better team in year one if they benched Kuath for Oso at the end of the year.
::)
Really moving the goalposts. Predictable.
I will know Shaka has changed when he has "cut bait" with the "non-contributors" who are not Big East level players....Let alone "maybe" not even Division 1 players.....
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on March 11, 2026, 09:23:12 PMTre isn't staying to be the 12 man as a senior.
There's more money in riding the pine for Marquette than in starting for a low major. So unless he really feels he can show out in a more featured role, he should take his bag by staying.
Not the worst use of a roster spot now that there are 15
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 12, 2026, 05:56:40 AMThere's more money in riding the pine for Marquette than in starting for a low major. So unless he really feels he can show out in a more featured role, he should take his bag by staying.
Not the worst use of a roster spot now that there are 15
Why would Marquette use any money, you're suggesting significant amounts, to pay a senior to ride pine?
Quote from: onepost on March 11, 2026, 09:57:45 PMParsing through postgame pressers:
- Stevens and Parham both said they're back next season, ready to lead
- Shaka mentioned his excitement for Owens and Phillips specifically
- Shaka explicitly stated he thought more about roster construction mid-season than ever before and how badly we need depth next season...that didn't strike me as him having any faith in our current "depth" - IOW, see ya Tre, Sean, Caedin/Josh
I just watched the presser. I agree with your comments but where did you see Stevens say he'll be back? The presser was only Shaka and Royce
I'm really hoping Scoop's Perpetually Pissed off Posters enter the portal and find a new team.
Ben Steele article
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2026/03/11/marquette-vs-xavier-prediction-starting-lineups-odds-tv-info/89097470007/
https://x.com/whitesoxbill/status/2031928772060926415?s=42
Is this spam
Is White Sox bill a spam poster
Is this true
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on March 11, 2026, 09:32:42 PMTo bad Ben got pushed off the block instead. Shocked me that Ben would be a push over in the finals seconds of his career. ::)
Does Ben gold suck? A little bit. But it's the kind of suck that we want him to do better because we know he probably can.
It was a fairly mediocre career between injuries and lack of improvement.
Still will be a task to fill his role this off season as no one on the current roster can step in and match his production.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 12, 2026, 08:19:27 AMIs White Sox bill a spam poster
Is this true
Distrust, but verify.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2026, 06:52:06 AMI think people are going to discover that landing players better than the senior versions of Ross and Gold is going to be a lot harder than people think.
The competition is going to be fierce when you consider all of the teams that have to replace the transfers they brought in this year and players going pro that will be moving on. Think about Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, UConn, and several other Big East teams as examples.
If MU challenges for an NCAA bid next year it's going to come from improvement from the underclass players, contributions from the redshirts and freshmen, and hopefully one or two veteran transfers to fill some obvious holes.
Correct, but very unpopular take around here.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 12, 2026, 12:19:50 AM::)
Really moving the goalposts. Predictable.
I said "what makes you think they will go 3/3" with their transfers.
And you omitted the last transfer they took in.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2026, 06:52:06 AMI think people are going to discover that landing players better than the senior versions of Ross and Gold is going to be a lot harder than people think.
The competition is going to be fierce when you consider all of the teams that have to replace the transfers they brought in this year and players going pro that will be moving on. Think about Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, UConn, and several other Big East teams as examples.
If MU challenges for an NCAA bid next year it's going to come from improvement from the underclass players, contributions from the redshirts and freshmen, and hopefully one or two veteran transfers to fill some obvious holes.
Harder in what way? Not having the resources to compete or unwilling to spend the resources we have.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 09:58:48 AMI said "what makes you think they will go 3/3" with their transfers.
And you omitted the last transfer they took in.
If Marquette takes another NAIA transfer, then I will be concerned.
Boeheim certainly didn't just help keep any pieces from leaving Cuse. 24/7 says that we offered Donnie Freeman originally. Don't know if it's accurate but if there's an existing relationship there It'd be worth pursuing IMO. 6'-9" wing that regressed as a Sophomore but was still a better rebounder than anyone currently on the roster. Would a former top 15 recruit just be chasing the biggest bag though?
It is, in fact, true that finding better players than Gold and Ross in the portal will be a real challenge. At the same time, I am amazed at how some coaches find players at D2 or at smaller D1 schools that come in and play really well. Obviously, Shaka has to find a big guy who can defend, rebound, and score a little bit. But, there are a lot of other coaches looking for that guy too.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 12, 2026, 11:29:19 AMBoeheim certainly didn't just help keep any pieces from leaving Cuse. 24/7 says that we offered Donnie Freeman originally. Don't know if it's accurate but if there's an existing relationship there It'd be worth pursuing IMO. 6'-9" wing that regressed as a Sophomore but was still a better rebounder than anyone currently on the roster. Would a former top 15 recruit just be chasing the biggest bag though?
We definitely recruited him. He'll have a lot of options.
Quote from: swoopem on March 12, 2026, 07:23:11 AMI just watched the presser. I agree with your comments but where did you see Stevens say he'll be back? The presser was only Shaka and Royce
https://x.com/jackalbrightmu/status/2031915970294435980?s=42
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 09:58:48 AMI said "what makes you think they will go 3/3" with their transfers.
And you omitted the last transfer they took in.
I did not list Wrightsil because the context of his addition was completely different than it was for the other guys I mentioned. He was joining a fully-formed team and then he got hurt.
Also, you mentioning recruiting failures in regards to transfers is completely irrelevant. The hit rate on transfers should be higher because you have a much bigger sample size of how these guys have performed at the D1 level.
Now guys moving from a mid-major to a high-major do require that analysis of how their game might translate but that's much different than evaluating a high school player succeeding at the D1 level.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 12, 2026, 11:51:43 AMI did not list Wrightsil because the context of his addition was completely different than it was for the other guys I mentioned.
Lol..
I just don't want to go 17-15 next year watching Damarius playing 25 minutes per game.
There are better ways to do this.
Scrapping the backhalf of this to ensure you get 3 guys who can play at this level is significantly smarter than what this staff will end up doing.
Quote from: rgoode57 on March 12, 2026, 11:38:06 AMIt is, in fact, true that finding better players than Gold and Ross in the portal will be a real challenge. At the same time, I am amazed at how some coaches find players at D2 or at smaller D1 schools that come in and play really well. Obviously, Shaka has to find a big guy who can defend, rebound, and score a little bit. But, there are a lot of other coaches looking for that guy too.
I don't think this is apples-to-apples. They need to find better fits for what this team will be lacking next season. Wing defense, shot-blocking, rebounding.
And ideally, the guys they add will be more efficient offensively. Ben averaged 8/6 this year but only shot 41% from the field, 26% from 3, and had 0.5 BPG.
You add a 5 that averages 8/6 but shoots 60% from the field with 2 BPG and that's a completely different impact for next year's team. Context matters.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 11:56:02 AMLol..
I just don't want to go 17-15 next year watching Damarius playing 25 minutes per game.
There are better ways to do this.
Scrapping the backhalf of this to ensure you get 3 guys who can play at this level is significantly smarter than what this staff will end up doing.
I'm right. And you have no idea what this staff will end up doing.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 12, 2026, 11:23:27 AMIf Marquette takes another NAIA transfer, then I will be concerned.
What's hilarious funny is
that same NAIA team had a contributor on it who went to Ole Miss.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 12, 2026, 08:56:07 AMCorrect, but very unpopular take around here.
Tiers of hard to replace players during the Shaka era.
1) Kolek, Kam, Oso, Omax, Lewis
2) Joplin, Stevie
3) Chase, Ben
By the time their careers are over James, Stevens and Parham will be in tier one or two most likely.
Chase and Ben have experience in Shaka's system that will be hard to replace. They are good/great at their role. We currently do not have a replacement for either on the roster but MU is not looking to replace borderline NBA players. We will see Wisblue is right but I don't think this is an insurmountable problem with the portal.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2026, 12:53:23 PMTiers of hard to replace players during the Shaka era.
1) Kolek, Kam, Oso, Omax, Lewis
2) Joplin, Stevie
3) Chase, Ben
By the time their careers are over James, Stevens and Parham will be in tier one or two most likely.
Chase and Ben have experience in Shaka's system that will be hard to replace. They are good/great at their role. We currently do not have a replacement for either on the roster but MU is not looking to replace borderline NBA players. We will see Wisblue is right but I don't think this is an insurmountable problem with the portal.
Chase and Joplin are Equal. Probably both tier 3.
Omax and Lewis are probably tier 2.
Stevie is CLEARLY Tier 1.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 12, 2026, 12:53:23 PMTiers of hard to replace players during the Shaka era.
1) Kolek, Kam, Oso, Omax, Lewis
2) Joplin, Stevie
3) Chase, Ben
By the time their careers are over James, Stevens and Parham will be in tier one or two most likely.
Chase and Ben have experience in Shaka's system that will be hard to replace. They are good/great at their role. We currently do not have a replacement for either on the roster but MU is not looking to replace borderline NBA players. We will see Wisblue is right but I don't think this is an insurmountable problem with the portal.
They were good at their roles until this year when more was asked of them.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 12:56:41 PMChase and Joplin are Equal. Probably both tier 3.
Omax and Lewis are probably tier 2.
Stevie is CLEARLY Tier 1.
Stevie harder to replace than OMax? Not in my book.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 12, 2026, 02:13:20 PMStevie harder to replace than OMax? Not in my book.
Steive was worse than Omax when they were on the same roster together. But Junior and senior year Stevie is a better college basketball player than the best Omax year we got.
Doesn't turn it over. Generates turnovers by himself.
Just because Omax has more NBA potential doesn't make him better for college teams.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 02:41:33 PMSteive was worse than Omax when they were on the same roster together. But Junior and senior year Stevie is a better college basketball player than the best Omax year we got.
Doesn't turn it over. Generates turnovers by himself.
Just because Omax has more NBA potential doesn't make him better for college teams.
I disagree. Finding a player who can switch and defend 1-5 at a high level is more difficult than finding a high level perimeter defender. There's a reason OMax was a better pro prospect. OMax also hit the 3 well enough that the defense needed to contest it. Defenses left Stevie alone. I like Stevie as a player and a team leader but, IMO, OMax is a more unique player physically and harder to replace.
We lost OMax and got a the same 2 seed with no transfers. I am going to go out on a limb and say he's not tier 1 due to losing him bringing in nobody and having the same results. Replacing Lewis needed a massive jump from TKO Oso & Kam (and OMax & Jop), that's Tier 1, dropping from a 2 seed to a 7 seed despite return 3/5 of the starters one of whom is pegged to be an all American, and top two bench guys is tier 1. Kam's insane splits on/off last year is tier 1.
Argue about Stevie, Omax, Darryl, Jop, Chase etc but to me...
tier 1 is clearly only TKO Kam Oso Lewis
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 12, 2026, 03:56:22 PMWe lost OMax and got a the same 2 seed with no transfers. I am going to go out on a limb and say he's not tier 1 due to losing him bringing in nobody and having the same results. Replacing Lewis needed a massive jump from TKO Oso & Kam (and OMax & Jop), that's Tier 1, dropping from a 2 seed to a 7 seed despite return 3/5 of the starters one of whom is pegged to be an all American, and top two bench guys is tier 1. Kam's insane splits on/off last year is tier 1.
Argue about Stevie, Omax, Darryl, Jop, Chase etc but to me...
tier 1 is clearly only TKO Kam Oso Lewis
O Max was Tier 1. We just had three other NBA quality upperclassmen the next year.
I'd argue O Max was harder to replace than Justin because of his versatility. Behind the other three, though.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 11:56:59 AMWhat's hilarious funny is
that same NAIA team had a contributor on it who went to Ole Miss.
So that kind of shoots a hole in your whole point - like Shaka whiffed on Wrightsill - the NAIA Player of the Year - and thus better than his teammate who went on to be a contributor at Ole Miss. Wrightsill got hurt/physically unable to perform.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 12, 2026, 04:09:08 PMO Max was Tier 1. We just had three other NBA quality upperclassmen the next year.
I'd argue O Max was harder to replace than Justin because of his versatility. Behind the other three, though.
Without Omax:
TKO upped his ppg 2pts same assists roughly same efficiency
Oso upped his ppg 2pts, 1 more rebound, roughly same efficiency.
Kam upped his ppg 2pts.
TKO without Justin had to score 6ppg and 2apg
Oso without Justin had to score 6ppg more, and 3rpg
Kam without Justin had to score 7ppg more, also upped his rebounds by 2per game.
To me. It seems a bigger step up for the guys to replace Justin (not even including Omax himself or Jop who was 6 MOTY) than the small increases in replacing Omax that lead to essentially the same results.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 12:56:41 PMChase and Joplin are Equal. Probably both tier 3.
Omax and Lewis are probably tier 2.
Stevie is CLEARLY Tier 1.
Ummmmm... listing Stevie over Omax and Lewis is well.... ok?
^^^ bizarre "analysis" by Galway
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 12, 2026, 04:48:33 PM^^^ bizarre "analysis" by Galway
Can't all be winners, do you have stats that'd refute or prove the Omax loss being bigger than Lewis?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 12, 2026, 05:22:14 PMCan't all be winners, do you have stats that'd refute or prove the Omax loss being bigger than Lewis?
You have to take the context and the baseline from the previous year.
For example, Kolek went from 6.7 PPG to 12.9. Part of that was more opportunity AND significant improvement.
He would have had to average 19.6 PPG his senior year to match that scoring increase on a team that also had Kam, Oso, Jop and Stevie. He actually had a higher eFG% on one more FGA per game his senior year.
You can't just look at scoring increases year over year without understanding his teammates, how his scoring progressed, etc.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 12, 2026, 05:22:14 PMCan't all be winners, do you have stats that'd refute or prove the Omax loss being bigger than Lewis?
What was each player's Blk%?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 12, 2026, 04:16:17 PMSo that kind of shoots a hole in your whole point - like Shaka whiffed on Wrightsill - the NAIA Player of the Year - and thus better than his teammate who went on to be a contributor at Ole Miss. Wrightsill got hurt/physically unable to perform.
No it doesn't
My entire point is injuries/missevaluations happen so get more than three transfers. The backhalf of this roster is bad enough.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 12, 2026, 10:47:56 AMHarder in what way? Not having the resources to compete or unwilling to spend the resources we have.
The answer to your question came in the sentence after the one you highlighted.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 12, 2026, 11:56:02 AMLol..
I just don't want to go 17-15 next year watching Damarius playing 25 minutes per game.
There are better ways to do this.
Scrapping the backhalf of this to ensure you get 3 guys who can play at this level is significantly smarter than what this staff will end up doing.
Clueless. You have no idea what is going on. Why not wait before you judge.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 12, 2026, 09:46:24 PMClueless. You have no idea what is going on. Why not wait before you judge.
I'm also clueless, have no idea, and waiting.
Care to fill those of us in rather than insulting?
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2026/03/13/shaka-smart-ncaa-transfer-portal-big-man-veteran-guard/89135187007/?tbref=hp
Any SparkNotes version for us who don't have MJS?
Quote from: onepost on March 13, 2026, 01:30:29 PMAny SparkNotes version for us who don't have MJS?
Nothing new really. Ben Steele lists MU's needs as a big (#1)and a guard (#2).
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 13, 2026, 01:33:25 PMNothing new really. Ben Steele lists MU's needs as a big (#1)and a guard (#2).
Also looks like they might be looking for improved 3-pt shooting with Phillips, Walker, and Owens.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 13, 2026, 01:33:25 PMNothing new really. Ben Steele lists MU's needs as a big (#1)and a guard (#2).
Thanks nuke
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 13, 2026, 01:33:25 PMNothing new really. Ben Steele lists MU's needs as a big (#1)and a guard (#2).
Does this mean we should only expect one more departure?
More specifically, the article stated we need 2 things.
1. A 5
2. Back court depth in a scorer to replace chase and a ball handler.
Mara probably would like to go to Marquette, given it's also in Michigan.
Get Byrd and Gwath from SDSU.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 12, 2026, 11:30:54 PMI'm also clueless, have no idea, and waiting.
Care to fill those of us in rather than insulting?
Be patient. Good things are happening.
Is this thread we want to use for players MU might be interested in or should we start a separate thread for portal targets?
Anyway.......i have no idea what our interest level is but Cody is following this guy on X
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2033548893095329974?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on March 16, 2026, 10:08:08 AMIs this thread we want to use for players MU might be interested in or should we start a separate thread for portal targets?
Anyway.......i have no idea what our interest level is but Cody is following this guy on X
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2033548893095329974?s=61
I don't have an answer to your question, but this does bring up one of my own.
Given that we can probably expect 2-3 transfer additions this off-season, is the general consensus that Shaka will likely fill all those spots with upperclassmen? Or is there a thought that we may see another sophomore added alongside Nigel & Adrien?
If Tre and Caedin transfer (god willing) then that means that entire class won't finish at MU. I'd think he'd want at least 2 maybe 3 one year guys who'll be seniors and then graduate (or leave) so that way we can fill their scholarships right away. If he brings in all younger guys then we won't have a recruiting class in two years
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 16, 2026, 10:20:34 AMI don't have an answer to your question, but this does bring up one of my own.
Given that we can probably expect 2-3 transfer additions this off-season, is the general consensus that Shaka will likely fill all those spots with upperclassmen? Or is there a thought that we may see another sophomore added alongside Nigel & Adrien?
I have no info on this but considering the current roster construction I'd image one-year transfers will be prioritized, especially at the 5.
I could see a junior being brought in (Minessale, for example) but I'd be shocked if any underclassmen are added, barring any unforeseen departures).
I expect them all to be experienced guys. Could be juniors or seniors, wouldnt make sense to limit the pool to one or the other. I expect some of both, 3-4 adds total.
Quote from: MuMark on March 16, 2026, 10:08:08 AMIs this thread we want to use for players MU might be interested in or should we start a separate thread for portal targets?
Anyway.......i have no idea what our interest level is but Cody is following this guy on X
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2033548893095329974?s=61
Elite shooter and offensive player. Negative D-BPR, so a weak defender. Seems like the polar opposite of Miles Byrd.
I would like either of Belmonts 2 bigs more for us. Scharnowski is a really solid, skilled 5 who can move on defense. Orme is a 6'9 stretch 4 who can really shoot. Either would help.
I'm guessing MU wants to sign players in the 2027 class. So assuming Jones and Norman transfer, I'd expect MU to focus on seniors to be for at least a couple spots. MU is thin along the frontline, so it might make sense to get a 4/5 who'd complement Parham and Pearson who could be around at least a couple years.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 16, 2026, 10:47:52 AMI would like either of Belmonts 2 bigs more for us. Scharnowski is a really solid, skilled 5 who can move on defense. Orme is a 6'9 stretch 4 who can really shoot. Either would help.
Would love to add a guy like Orme. Two years of eligibility, stats jump off the page, athletic, good size, solid defender, good shooter. The exact profile I'd like to see brought in.
re: Lundblade - Don't see Shaka bringing in a transfer that clueless on the defensive end, but we do need shooting so who knows.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 16, 2026, 10:45:59 AMElite shooter and offensive player. Negative D-BPR, so a weak defender. Seems like the polar opposite of Miles Byrd.
If only we could put Byrd and Lundblade into a blender!
Seems like a pretty good chance that any of the Belmont guys that enter the portal will follow their coach to KSU.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2026, 02:31:38 PMIf only we could put Byrd and Lundblade into a blender!
LunByrd: that would be greeeaaaaaat.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 16, 2026, 10:47:52 AMI would like either of Belmonts 2 bigs more for us. Scharnowski is a really solid, skilled 5 who can move on defense. Orme is a 6'9 stretch 4 who can really shoot. Either would help.
Scharnowski officially portaling.
Would assume he goes to KSU but he would be an awesome fit here. Lots of Oso to his game with his ability to pass and initiate offense while also being a very solid athlete for a big.
I would say two portal guys the sweet spot. Wouldn't be disruptive. Obviously, it would be best for the program if Hamilton left because Shaka can't be tempted to play him if he's not here, but I don't see that happening.
Sean Jones maybe?
Hope Clark doesn't leave. Unlike Hamilton, I could see him developing into something. He's a good defensive rebounder, blocks shots, is 7-1 and can jump. When he played you could see guards driving, seeing him and changing their minds.
Hope Owens doesn't leave, stays and learns to put less arc on his shot. Wouldn't mind seeing Norman stay with a retooled jumper with him bringing the ball down, instead of over his head. Might not ever be average shooter, but he likely would be better with that form than the current one.
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on March 18, 2026, 03:17:39 PMI would say two portal guys the sweet spot. Wouldn't be disruptive. Obviously, it would be best for the program if Hamilton left because Shaka can't be tempted to play him if he's not here, but I don't see that happening.
Sean Jones maybe?
Hope Clark doesn't leave. Unlike Hamilton, I could see him developing into something. He's a good defensive rebounder, blocks shots, is 7-1 and can jump. When he played you could see guards driving, seeing him and changing their minds.
Hope Owens doesn't leave, stays and learns to put less arc on his shot. Wouldn't mind seeing Norman stay with a retooled jumper with him bringing the ball down, instead of over his head. Might not ever be average shooter, but he likely would be better with that form than the current one.
Marquette.....where absolutely horrendous shooters can improve to become below average shooters by their senior year!
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on March 18, 2026, 03:17:39 PMI would say two portal guys the sweet spot. Wouldn't be disruptive. Obviously, it would be best for the program if Hamilton left because Shaka can't be tempted to play him if he's not here, but I don't see that happening.
Sean Jones maybe?
Hope Clark doesn't leave. Unlike Hamilton, I could see him developing into something. He's a good defensive rebounder, blocks shots, is 7-1 and can jump. When he played you could see guards driving, seeing him and changing their minds.
Hope Owens doesn't leave, stays and learns to put less arc on his shot. Wouldn't mind seeing Norman stay with a retooled jumper with him bringing the ball down, instead of over his head. Might not ever be average shooter, but he likely would be better with that form than the current one.
Owens has promise. Wasn't consistent enough, but he showed his ability several times this past season. We wouldn't have come close to beating Providence at home without his contribution, and he helped us in some other games, too. He's also buddies with Parham, and I've heard Nigel reference the "four of us" being tight, talking about himself, Owens, Parham and Stevens. So I don't think he's going anywhere.
But otherwise, ideally, the other four you mentioned would go elsewhere. Other than financially, it would be good for them to go someplace where their abilities were more in line with those of their peers. And it would be good for Marquette to open the roster spots and $$$ for better players. But if a couple of them stay for reduced roles (and very little $$$), it won't prevent MU from being significantly better next season.
I very much hope Owens stays and continues to improve on defense. He's 2x the defender he was at the start of the campaign and I could see him being a poor-man's OMax with better scoring. That's SUPER valuable. We'll see if he stays but I'd imagine he'll have the most opportunities to transfer of the potential departures.
This Scharnowski kid from Belmont looks solid but he doesn't seem "elite" at rebounding (6 rpg). 6'9" and 230 lbs fits the profile but we need athleticism but I think we want a mid-major guy averaging 8-9 per game. We really need to improve our rebounding numbers for this squad to compete next year.
As was said on another forum....
They think Sean transfers because.....What is he going to get here....Wipe up minutes behind the Big East freshman of the year....
And then Tre gets none....So he should transfer....Shaka just needs to not pay him anything....
It says Seth Trimble is a fourth year senior and could play a fifth year as grad student....
You know those NCAA rules....
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5311928/xavier-edmonds
Watched 20 minutes of the TCU-OSU first-round game. Their PF/C Xavier Edmonds is exactly what MU needs. Hopefully they have to throw a bag at David Punch to keep him and Edwards heads elsewhere. He'll be a senior next season and has a wide body (6'8" - 245 lbs) with decent stats in the Big 12.
Quote from: burger on March 19, 2026, 12:06:23 PMIt says Seth Trimble is a fourth year senior and could play a fifth year as grad student....
You know those NCAA rules....
The 5-for-5 rule was never implemented. Trimble had five years to play in four seasons and never redshirted. So I believe he is done.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 19, 2026, 12:15:45 PMThe 5-for-5 rule was never implemented. Trimble had five years to play in four seasons and never redshirted. So I believe he is done.
True. At least until there's another lawsuit.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 19, 2026, 10:07:43 AMHe's 2x the defender he was at the start of the campaign and I could see him being a poor-man's OMax with better scoring. That's SUPER valuable.
...and more blocks. DO already has more MU blocks than Omax had.
Using the portal isn't going to be enough. Shaka has to get back to recruiting better players period.
Compare his recruiting of bigs at Texas to those he brought in at MU:
Mo Bamba #4 in RSCI
Jericho Sims #51
James Banks #64
Jarrett Allen #15
Kamaka Hepa #55
Jaxon Hayes unranked
Will Baker #32
Kai Jones #50
Greg Brown #8
Now at Marquette:
Kur Kuath (unranked)
Keeyan Itejere (unr)
Al Amadou (unr)
Caedin Hamilton (unr)
Josh Clark (unr)
Sheek Pearson (unr)
Ben Gold (unr)
With the exception of Kuath, every single big he's recruited to MU was a project. We know how most have turned out, with Pearson still a question mark.
Sheek was a top 50 kid in 2027 before he reclassed, he was not unranked.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 20, 2026, 10:41:34 AMUsing the portal isn't going to be enough. Shaka has to get back to recruiting better players period.
Compare his recruiting of bigs at Texas to those he brought in at MU:
Mo Bamba #4 in RSCI
Jericho Sims #51
James Banks #64
Jarrett Allen #15
Kamaka Hepa #55
Jaxon Hayes unranked
Will Baker #32
Kai Jones #50
Greg Brown #8
Now at Marquette:
Kur Kuath (unranked)
Keeyan Itejere (unr)
Al Amadou (unr)
Caedin Hamilton (unr)
Josh Clark (unr)
Sheek Pearson (unr)
Ben Gold (unr)
With the exception of Kuath, every single big he's recruited to MU was a project. We know how most have turned out, with Pearson still a question mark.
There are 15 roster spots and you are picking the worst of the worst.
No mention of Nigel? Royce? Stevens? Shaka has missed on 1 class. There will always be duds. Overall he's done a fine job, and if he's committed to using the portal to fill gaps every year now, taking swings on guys like Clark is much more reasonable.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 10:47:57 AMThere are 15 roster spots and you are picking the worst of the worst.
No mention of Nigel? Royce? Stevens? Shaka has missed on 1 class. There will always be duds. Overall he's done a fine job, and if he's committed to using the portal to fill gaps every year now, taking swings on guys like Clark is much more reasonable.
He's talking big guys
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 10:47:57 AMThere are 15 roster spots and you are picking the worst of the worst.
No mention of Nigel? Royce? Stevens? Shaka has missed on 1 class. There will always be duds. Overall he's done a fine job, and if he's committed to using the portal to fill gaps every year now, taking swings on guys like Clark is much more reasonable.
It's arguable he missed on two pending what your expectations were for Ben Sean & Chase. If you're recruiting is dependent on every class being ready to take the torch and step up as leaders as seniors then he missed on 2 classes. If you're judging that class by their contributions as the "robin" to the prior two classes "batman" then they i guess he didn't miss.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 20, 2026, 10:41:34 AMUsing the portal isn't going to be enough. Shaka has to get back to recruiting better players period.
Compare his recruiting of bigs at Texas to those he brought in at MU:
Mo Bamba #4 in RSCI
Jericho Sims #51
James Banks #64
Jarrett Allen #15
Kamaka Hepa #55
Jaxon Hayes unranked
Will Baker #32
Kai Jones #50
Greg Brown #8
Now at Marquette:
Kur Kuath (unranked)
Keeyan Itejere (unr)
Al Amadou (unr)
Caedin Hamilton (unr)
Josh Clark (unr)
Sheek Pearson (unr)
Ben Gold (unr)
With the exception of Kuath, every single big he's recruited to MU was a project. We know how most have turned out, with Pearson still a question mark.
That's disingenuous to Sheek, but agree on the overall point. Even if we accept that Shaka was burnt out by burger boys not buying into his system (which iirc was said a lot about his time at Texas) guys like sims, hepa, banks & jones are all reasonable gets for the rankings Marquette usually recruits from.
Shaka has no excuse for his piss poor big men recruits here this far. Definitely needs to turn that around. Hopefully Pearson is the first "domino"
Quote from: swoopem on March 20, 2026, 10:52:58 AMHe's talking big guys
I was mostly responding to his first sentence. About needing better players.
But Kur was a fine starter, especially since Oso was here for 3 of the 5 seasons Shaka has coached. A guy that just put up 15 points - 7 rebounds - and 7 assists against Victor Wembanyama last night.
Sheek was a Top 70 guy from most outlets in his original class. Royce is very good.
Assuming he commits to the portal on a yearly basis, the Center depth will be cured.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 20, 2026, 11:18:59 AMShaka has no excuse for his piss poor big men recruits here this far. Definitely needs to turn that around. Hopefully Pearson is the first "domino"
Oso Ighodaro was our center for a majority of 3 of the 5 seasons Shaka has coached here by the way.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:24:58 AMOso Ighodaro was our center for a majority of 3 of the 5 seasons Shaka has coached here by the way.
Oso Ighodaro was not recruited by Shaka. And I do give him and the staff for his development. Most of his big man recruits he's missed on as you can see outlined above.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 20, 2026, 11:26:56 AMOso Ighodaro was not recruited by Shaka. And I do give him and the staff for his development. Most of his big man recruits he's missed on as you can see outlined above.
Yes he was?
He recruited him to go to Texas. He recruited him to stay at Marquette.
What are you talking about?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:30:21 AMYes he was?
He recruited him to go to Texas. He recruited him to stay at Marquette.
What are you talking about?
Recruiting someone to stay is way different than recruiting him to come in the first place.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 10:47:57 AMThere are 15 roster spots and you are picking the worst of the worst.
No mention of Nigel? Royce? Stevens? Shaka has missed on 1 class. There will always be duds. Overall he's done a fine job, and if he's committed to using the portal to fill gaps every year now, taking swings on guys like Clark is much more reasonable.
I specified bigs, and listed every recruit 6'9" or over.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 10:47:57 AMThere are 15 roster spots and you are picking the worst of the worst.
No mention of Nigel? Royce? Stevens? Shaka has missed on 1 class. There will always be duds. Overall he's done a fine job, and if he's committed to using the portal to fill gaps every year now, taking swings on guys like Clark is much more reasonable.
First, I specified bigs, and included every player recruited by Shaka at both programs 6'9" or better. The pattern is obvious--every big recruited to MU is a project. That's not saying they're duds--just that Shaka is obviously aiming low and hoping they were misjudged.
BTW, I excluded inherited players at both Texas and MU, so no Ighadoro (#99) but also no Prince Ibeh (#62) Connor Lammert (unr) or Cameron Ridley (#14) at Texas.
Second, how is what you're doing any different? You're cherry picking the best of the best, and even at that the three player you list formed the heart of the worst record of any MU team in 60 years. And while Royce and Stevens are good compared to the rest of MU's roster, they're not separating MU from the rest of the Big East overall.
Third, I don't think you can sustainably build a contending team if your strategy is to recruit lower-level players and hope they become stars. Yes, that happened with Kolek and we're on track with James so far, but I don't think you can count on it happening with every player or even once in every class.
RGV might have worked if MU had recruited much better than it did. As it is, they now realize they need to use the portal and hopefully continue the trend of improved freshmen recruiting.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 11:32:25 AMRecruiting someone to stay is way different than recruiting him to come in the first place.
You're right. And in this era, it might be harder to recruit a guy to stay than it is to get them in the first place. Especially after a coaching change.
Oso has talked about how much Shaka mattered in his decision to keep his name out of the portal and stay at Marquette.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:30:21 AMYes he was?
He recruited him to go to Texas. He recruited him to stay at Marquette.
What are you talking about?
Shaka landed Greg Brown (#8 in RSCI) out of that class at that position on the roster. Oso was plan B at best for Texas.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:38:52 AMYou're right. And in this era, it might be harder to recruit a guy to stay than it is to get them in the first place. Especially after a coaching change.
I doubt this is true. It's easier for a kid to leave after a coaching change than 10 years ago, but there are still built-in advantages for the coach trying to keep him in place ... familiarity with the school, relationships with teammates and classmates, not needing to move and start over on another campus, and the fact there were things about the program that made him commit in the first place.
Shaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program, but he had the upper hand in doing so.
And as much as he deserves credit for doing so, he's not the guy who identified their talent - especially not the latter three - and sold them on Marquette,
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 20, 2026, 11:45:15 AMShaka landed Greg Brown (#8 in RSCI) out of that class at that position on the roster. Oso was plan B at best for Texas.
And Oso ended up being way better. Way better.
A sign that the number isn't what matters. The talent is. Shaka's career success is enough to allow him to do it the way he wants. He's clearly realized that the portal is the new way forward along with prioritizing retention for his guys. So it might actually end up being easier for him to find good players than it ever has before.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 12:07:49 PMI doubt this is true. It's easier for a kid to leave after a coaching change than 10 years ago, but there are still built-in advantages for the coach trying to keep him in place ... familiarity with the school, relationships with teammates and classmates, not needing to move and start over on another campus, and the fact there were things about the program that made him commit in the first place.
Shaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program, but he had the upper hand in doing so.
The 1,700 players that will be in the portal in 3 weeks might suggest otherwise.
Either way. Shaka will be just fine. Especially now that he has realized the portal is his friend and not his foe.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 11:38:52 AMYou're right. And in this era, it might be harder to recruit a guy to stay than it is to get them in the first place.
Uh. No.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 12:09:34 PMThe 1,700 players that will be in the portal in 3 weeks might suggest otherwise.
The 4,000 players that won't be in the portal in 3 weeks might suggest otherwise.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 12:07:49 PMI doubt this is true. It's easier for a kid to leave after a coaching change than 10 years ago, but there are still built-in advantages for the coach trying to keep him in place ... familiarity with the school, relationships with teammates and classmates, not needing to move and start over on another campus, and the fact there were things about the program that made him commit in the first place.
Shaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program, but he had the upper hand in doing so.
And as much as he deserves credit for doing so, he's not the guy who identified their talent - especially not the latter three - and sold them on Marquette,
Kids commit to the coach, not the school, or the campus or his classmate. Trying to reduce the accomplishment or retaining Kam, Stevie, and Oso is nonsense.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 11:32:25 AMRecruiting someone to stay is way different than recruiting him to come in the first place.
Sure, but Shaka had already built a relationship during his initial recruitment of Oso to Texas and that likely helped keeping him at Marquette.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2026, 12:55:09 PMKids commit to the coach, not the school, or the campus or his classmate. Trying to reduce the accomplishment or retaining Kam, Stevie, and Oso is nonsense.
No one is doing this. Per usual GE03 is engaging in making absolute statements that just aren't accurate.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 12:07:49 PMShaka deserves credit for keeping Oso (and Lewis, Kam and Stevie) in the program
Ahem not Gregg Elliot?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2026, 12:56:17 PMSure, but Shaka had already built a relationship during his initial recruitment of Oso to Texas and that likely helped keeping him at Marquette.
This, calling someone and saying "hey I know it didn't work out before but let's see if we can make it work this go around" is way different than "hey I've never talked to you, want to get to know each other?"
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 12:59:06 PMNo one is doing this. Per usual GE03 is engaging in making absolute statements that just aren't accurate.
What absolute statement did I make?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2026, 12:55:09 PMKids commit to the coach, not the school, or the campus or his classmate. Trying to reduce the accomplishment or retaining Kam, Stevie, and Oso is nonsense.
What did I write that is incorrect?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 02:52:08 PMAaaand silence.
After the Kentucky game, I took the dog for a walk, took a sh*t, and hopped in the shower. So sorry I didn't respond to your post immediately.
But this is your typical nonsense. You make a bunch of repeatedly bad points. Then you get all out of sorts and shift the goalposts when people point it out that your points are bad.
I encourage you to keep it up though. It's fun.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 03:19:11 PMAfter the Kentucky game, I took the dog for a walk, took a sh*t, and hopped in the shower. So sorry I didn't respond to your post immediately.
But this is your typical nonsense. You make a bunch of repeatedly bad points. Then you get all out of sorts and shift the goalposts when people point it out that your points are bad.
I encourage you to keep it up though. It's fun.
What goalposts did I move? What absolute statement did I make? Lol.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 04:13:43 PMWhat goalposts did I move? What absolute statement did I make? Lol.
Give Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be
all bad, right?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 04:18:53 PMGive Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be all bad, right?
Butler? Georgetown?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 04:18:53 PMGive Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be all bad, right?
Ah, but it's probably a shih tzu.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 04:18:53 PMGive Sultan some credit. Anyone who has a dog can't be all bad, right?
Signed Michael Vick's defense team
Glad there is so much transfer news in this thread!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 20, 2026, 04:23:46 PMSigned Michael Vick's defense team
Nah. Sultan probably is a softy with his dog. My guess is a Basset Hound or Weimaraner. Or some sort of little Fufu dog.
Can't believe Juan Anderson wants to discuss transfers here.
Booooring!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 04:28:20 PMNah. Sultan probably is a softy with his dog. My guess is a Basset Hound or Weimaraner. Or some sort of little Fufu dog.
Can't believe Juan Anderson wants to discuss transfers here. Booooring!
I have a dachshund.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 03:19:11 PMAfter the Kentucky game, I took the dog for a walk, took a sh*t, and hopped in the shower.
Afternoon dump, hey? Bummer.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 20, 2026, 07:16:45 PMYou have a cat. Checks out.
Oh if he heard that he'd be so pissed that he'd lick your face off.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 12:09:34 PMThe 1,700 players that will be in the portal in 3 weeks might suggest otherwise.
Either way. Shaka will be just fine. Especially now that he has realized the portal is his friend and not his foe.
how do you know this? You and Coach tight?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 20, 2026, 04:23:11 PMAh, but it's probably a shih tzu.
I have 2. They are awesome!
Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2026, 08:48:57 PMhow do you know this? You and Coach tight?
How do I know that he will use the portal? Is that your question?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 08:51:34 PMHow do I know that he will use the portal? Is that your question?
rather, when you post...
'Either way. Shaka will be just fine. Especially now that he has realized the portal is his friend and not his foe.'
As if you are in his head. He'll be 'fine'? Really? Portal is 'his friend'? What? Hence, my question. You chat with Coach? Have inside intel? Or, your conjecture? Heck, for all we know, SS will turn to NAIA guys again.
Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2026, 08:58:06 PMrather, when you post...
'Either way. Shaka will be just fine. Especially now that he has realized the portal is his friend and not his foe.'
As if you are in his head. He'll be 'fine'? Really? Portal is 'his friend'? What? Hence, my question. You chat with Coach? Have inside intel? Or, your conjecture? Heck, for all we know, SS will turn to NAIA guys again.
Does it need to be spelled out?
Shaka will be fine as Marquette's head coach getting good players. He will use the portal to fill the roster needs, because he said they will use the portal to fill the roster needs.
Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2026, 08:58:06 PMrather, when you post...
'Either way. Shaka will be just fine. Especially now that he has realized the portal is his friend and not his foe.'
As if you are in his head. He'll be 'fine'? Really? Portal is 'his friend'? What? Hence, my question. You chat with Coach? Have inside intel? Or, your conjecture? Heck, for all we know, SS will turn to NAIA guys again.
What the hell are you talking about.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 07:58:22 PMOh if he heard that he'd be so pissed that he'd lick your face off.
That'd be the most action vander gets in years !
Quote from: panda on March 20, 2026, 10:21:01 PMThat'd be the most action vander gets in years !
Back in the day George Thompson told me about a phone call he received offering him a tongue bath. We spent a good while conjecturing on what that might entail. He was under the impression she wasn't offering her dog for the task
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 09:05:16 PMDoes it need to be spelled out?
Shaka will be fine as Marquette's head coach getting good players. He will use the portal to fill the roster needs, because he said they will use the portal to fill the roster needs.
Roster needs like a "combo guard" that is not 0 for the season from 3.....
Quote from: avid1010 on March 20, 2026, 09:06:05 PMWhat the hell are you talking about.
hmm...try some Anipryl. Works for my shih tzuh.
Hamilton played single digit minutes in 11 of the conference games this season.
He was up above 20 minutes per game early in the year.
Is there a rule against a school paying a severance bonus to encourage a player to leave?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 22, 2026, 08:19:22 AMIs there a rule against a school paying a severance bonus to encourage a player to leave?
Why pay a severance when they can just pull his scholarship?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 22, 2026, 08:22:13 AMWhy pay a severance when they can just pull his scholarship?
For reasons similar to paying severance in the business setting. It avoids the need to say someone was fired or "cut," it can encourage a decision within a time frame, and the severance agreement generally includes waiver of claims and non-disparagement clauses.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 22, 2026, 08:35:35 AMFor reasons similar to paying severance in the business setting. It avoids the need to say someone was fired or "cut," it can encourage a decision within a time frame, and the severance agreement generally includes waiver of claims and non-disparagement clauses.
Like you say, there are all sorts of reasons why severance makes sense in an employment setting. It's in the self-interest of the company to do so.
However those reasons really don't exist here. You just tell them to move on. There isn't much they can do about it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 22, 2026, 08:40:11 AMLike you say, there are all sorts of reasons why severance makes sense in an employment setting. It's in the self-interest of the company to do so.
However those reasons really don't exist here. You just tell them to move on. There isn't much they can do about it.
That could be, but legal issues tend to follow the money. Twenty years ago, who'd have thought that a lawsuit would result in college athletes getting seven figure compensation? There's a lot more at stake now for athletes than just a scholarship. In any event, I was just curious if there were any rules that applied.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 22, 2026, 10:50:06 AMThat could be, but legal issues tend to follow the money. Twenty years ago, who'd have thought that a lawsuit would result in college athletes getting seven figure compensation? There's a lot more at stake now for athletes than just a scholarship. In any event, I was just curious if there were any rules that applied.
You might be overthinking it..........
9 announcing he is back.
https://x.com/DamariusOwens1/status/2036108608312660043
Quote from: MUbiz on March 23, 2026, 10:55:22 AM9 announcing he is back.
https://x.com/DamariusOwens1/status/2036108608312660043
This is great news ... DO will be a top rotation player in 26/27.
DO2N
And with that, I'm not concerned about any other player who saw the floor last year returning. Let the flame throwing commence
Quote from: The Sultan on March 22, 2026, 08:22:13 AMWhy pay a severance when they can just pull his scholarship?
True, but there could be language in the NLI the player signed to be compensated if terminated. No?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 11:07:22 AMTrue, but there could be language in the NLI the player signed to be compensated if terminated. No?
No NLI anymore and never had comp when it existed. Get with the times, my boi!
questionable decisions are being made
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:33:05 AMquestionable decisions are being made
Nobody likes a tease.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 11:34:18 AMNobody likes a tease.
That's how they get the attention they desperately crave.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 11, 2026, 06:53:23 PMDAMARIUS GET OFF THE ROSTER
I think I've found the cause, it's not a tease, it's a desire.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 23, 2026, 11:02:45 AMAnd with that, I'm not concerned about any other player who saw the floor last year returning. Let the flame throwing commence
I'd like Philips back for future development, but I'm not going to lose sleep if he leaves either. The 3.5 players I truly wanted back from last year have committed.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:33:05 AMquestionable decisions are being made
In regards to Owens or others?
Phillips and Sheek are next.
Then let's just start getting the inevitable departures and corresponding additions underway.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2026, 11:36:32 AMThat's how they get the attention they desperately crave.
I think I've found the cause, it's not a tease, it's a desire.
Damarius is a great rotation piece and validates the culture in place that he wants to stay even if not guaranteed to get more PT. I love that he's coming back.
Always nice to shove Syracuse in a locker too!
Quote from: onepost on March 23, 2026, 11:38:47 AMPhillips and Sheek are next.
Then let's just start getting the inevitable departures and corresponding additions underway.
Not a fan of Miletic or Nash? I'm not high on Nash (someone mentioned he's been trending downward for the past few years) but miletic i believe in.
If Owens is returning to compete with whatever transfers MU adds on the perimeter, great.
If Shaka is banking on Owens as a starter, like he did with Lowery, then that's risky business.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2026, 11:36:32 AMThat's how they get the attention they desperately crave.
I think I've found the cause, it's not a tease, it's a desire.
Ah, yes. He just posted on Instagram that he'll be back (or at least that's the implication of his post).
Not surprising or upsetting.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 23, 2026, 11:12:39 AMNo NLI anymore and never had comp when it existed. Get with the times, my boi!
They must sign a "contract" of some sort.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2026, 11:36:32 AMI think I've found the cause, it's not a tease, it's a desire.
He is among the worst defenders at Marquette in a long time. And we played Howard and Rowsey next to each other.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 11:46:14 AMAh, yes. He just posted on Instagram that he'll be back (or at least that's the implication of his post).
Not surprising or upsetting.
Not surprising... But I want to understand why it is "good".
All they are doing is limiting their ability to get a good basketball player on the roster.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2026, 11:41:32 AMNot a fan of Miletic or Nash? I'm not high on Nash (someone mentioned he's been trending downward for the past few years) but miletic i believe in.
Ohhh no, I'm definitely a fan of their upside: at minimum they provide something this team severely lacks with consistent shooting. I was just saying that Owens, Phillips, and Pearson (lol that redshirts do this now) were the players who were expected to announce they were coming back this week. Just like when Shaka first took over and they had a big rollout of newcomers, clearly we're getting each of these guys announcing on their own days - Adrien, then Royce, now Damarius, next ___.
I don't have high expectations for Nash, Miletic, Johnston anytime soon but if any of them or Egbounu push for consistent PT that can only be a good thing.
With Minessale as confirmed as a non-confirmation can get, we need a starting wing and an
actual big man. The fact Shaka and co. can focus on
2 spots vs. the vast majority of teams needing to focus on retaining their own whole rosters AND the entire portal is a great differentiator for us IMO.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:50:21 AMNot surprising... But I want to understand why it is "good".
All they are doing is limiting their ability to get a good basketball player on the roster.
How many players do you believe they intend to bring in from the portal?
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:48:54 AMHe is among the worst defenders at Marquette in a long time. And we played Howard and Rowsey next to each other.
Paint Touches had a blog completely contradicting this point but go off, man!
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:48:54 AMHe is among the worst defenders at Marquette in a long time. And we played Howard and Rowsey next to each other.
I'd agree with that statement up until about the middle of last year. I thought I saw a significant improvement in the latter part of the season, but the advanced stats folks can confirm or repute that I'm sure.
No one will have confused him for Stevie, but his defensive effort and understanding both appeared to have improved.
Quote from: onepost on March 23, 2026, 11:54:25 AMOhhh no, I'm definitely a fan of their upside: at minimum they provide something this team severely lacks with consistent shooting. I was just saying that Owens, Phillips, and Pearson (lol that redshirts do this now) were the players who were expected to announce they were coming back this week. Just like when Shaka first took over and they had a big rollout of newcomers, clearly we're getting each of these guys announcing on their own days - Adrien, then Royce, now Damarius, next ___.
I don't have high expectations for Nash, Miletic, Johnston anytime soon but if any of them or Egbounu push for consistent PT that can only be a good thing.
With Minessale as confirmed as a non-confirmation can get, we need a starting wing and an actual big man. The fact Shaka and co. can focus on 2 spots vs. the vast majority of teams needing to focus on retaining their own whole rosters AND the entire portal is a great differentiator for us IMO.
Who do you think is leaving? Have you heard anything?
Quote from: onepost on March 23, 2026, 11:55:36 AMPaint Touches had a blog completely contradicting this point but go off, man!
Here it is:
"This is a great pull from Ben. I wrote about DO's O burst a month ago, but diving into the data, it's the defense that gets the eye emojis.
From 11/1 through 1/6, his defensive impact placed him in the bottom 5% of all D1 players. Since 1/7? Akin to a top-100 defender. #mubb https://t.co/hvUPYuLzKg pic.twitter.com/mo0Ccki8j1"
— Paint Touches (@PaintTouches) February 26, 2026
I'm fine with Owens returning but MU needs some guys up front who will be physical. Owens plays pretty soft on both ends of the floor and Parham isn't exactly a banger. Egbuonu is a step in the right direction but he'll only be a freshman.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:33:05 AMquestionable decisions are being made
Be more specific. Or shut up.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:33:05 AMquestionable decisions are being made
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Quote from: swoopem on March 23, 2026, 11:57:39 AMWho do you think is leaving? Have you heard anything?
All signs point to Tre (no more Marquette in Instagram bio!!!) and Sean being shown the door. I'd heard Sean wanted to come back but that Shaka let him know in February he'd be leaving - just hope that's true.
I have no idea on Caedin and Josh. In a perfect world we keep Josh and send Caedin back to the rec leagues, but who knows. With Sheek being the future at center, and with it painfully clear we'll bring in a starting center, you only need one at most.
I've long been under the impression we add 3 meaningful portal players - Minessale, wing, center. So you only need Tre and Sean to leave for that to manifest, but out of principle a guy like Caedin needs to be shown the door IMO.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 23, 2026, 12:01:25 PMI'm fine with Owens returning but MU needs some guys up front who will be physical. Owens plays pretty soft on both ends of the floor and Parham isn't exactly a banger. Egbuonu is a step in the right direction but he'll only be a freshman.
All Parham did since January was bully his way to the basket, and did so very successfully.
btw, folks...
I project our minutes continuity will be HIGHER in 2026-27 than it was this year.
#RGV, baby
Quote from: onepost on March 23, 2026, 12:15:36 PMAll signs point to Tre (no more Marquette in Instagram bio!!!) and Sean being shown the door. I'd heard Sean wanted to come back but that Shaka let him know in February he'd be leaving - just hope that's true.
I have no idea on Caedin and Josh. In a perfect world we keep Josh and send Caedin back to the rec leagues, but who knows. With Sheek being the future at center, and with it painfully clear we'll bring in a starting center, you only need one at most.
I've long been under the impression we add 3 meaningful portal players - Minessale, wing, center. So you only need Tre and Sean to leave for that to manifest, but out of principle a guy like Caedin needs to be shown the door IMO.
We need a back point guard if that happens.
I would hope that Tre could stay and graduate with a 15 man roster. Back up PG would still be a priority if he stays.
Quote from: 1990Warrior on March 23, 2026, 12:20:50 PMWe need a back point guard if that happens.
I would hope that Tre could stay and graduate with a 15 man roster. Back up PG would still be a priority if he stays.
NM you corrected it haha.
I believe Minessale can take over PG minutes when Nigel needs a break, but totally agree we need backup PG solidified.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 23, 2026, 12:15:58 PMAll Parham did since January was bully his way to the basket, and did so very successfully.
That's true.
As a post defender, though, he still has a ways to go. For example, Tre Carroll - who's a good player, to be fair - had his way with Royce in that BE tournament game.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 12:25:05 PMThat's true.
As a post defender, though, he still has a ways to go. For example, Tre Carroll - who's a good player, to be fair - had his way with Royce in that BE tournament game.
Definitely true. I'm hoping to have a true 5 with Sheek backing up the 5 next year, so Royce won't have to play any 5 at all. He may still get bullied by some 4s defensively (like Carroll is a 4, although Xavier went small a lot). But I'd like him not to have to try to slow down a Zuby for a few minutes when our starting 5 gets in foul trouble, or be left with Caedin having to play minutes.
Quote from: onepost on March 23, 2026, 11:55:36 AMPaint Touches had a blog completely contradicting this point but go off, man!
Paint touches loves damarius owens...
Straight up ask him.
But please tell me that non con games don't matter.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 12:25:05 PMThat's true.
As a post defender, though, he still has a ways to go. For example, Tre Carroll - who's a good player, to be fair - had his way with Royce in that BE tournament game.
Bingo. Parham is a talented post scorer but he's slight. MU needs at least one big body (and preferably two).
Quote from: onepost on March 23, 2026, 11:40:12 AMDamarius is a great rotation piece and validates the culture in place that he wants to stay even if not guaranteed to get more PT.
Except guys don't come back unless they expect some playing time.
Damarius might be a "great rotation piece"... He hasn't been so far.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 11:55:19 AMHow many players do you believe they intend to bring in from the portal?
They will probably bring in three..
They should probably bring in five or six, and DO and CH walk.
But they won't. I hope they are right.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 12:34:37 PMPaint touches loves damarius owens...
Straight up ask him.
But please tell me that non con games don't matter.
Yeah absolutely they matter.
But
as the season progressed he made incredible strides on defense. So it lends that he's greatly improving on that side of the ball.
Quote from: onepost on March 23, 2026, 12:41:34 PMYeah absolutely they matter.
But as the season progressed he made incredible strides on defense. So it lends that he's greatly improving on that side of the ball.
Congrats... you went from being the worst defender on the team, to being the second worst defender on the team ahead of 5'8" sean jones.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 12:38:45 PMExcept guys don't come back unless they expect some playing time.
Damarius might be a "great rotation piece"... He hasn't been so far.
So you think Tre Norman has been expecting playing time every year?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2026, 12:48:31 PMSo you think Tre Norman has been expecting playing time every year?
I feel he saw a path to playing time this year if he improved. He just didn't really improve enough to go out and get it.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 12:41:07 PMThey will probably bring in three..
They should probably bring in five or six, and DO and CH walk.
But they won't. I hope they are right.
It was an unrealistic expectation from when they admitted they need to take a different path that they were going to bring in five or six transfers.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2026, 12:48:31 PMSo you think Tre Norman has been expecting playing time every year?
I would think he expected it this year. Played 9 mpg as a sophomore, and two starting guards ahead of him were graduating. I would think he saw himself in competition with Lowery for the third guard spot, or at least in position to be the primary backup for Lowery and Ross.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 23, 2026, 01:13:03 PMIt was an unrealistic expectation from when they admitted they need to take a different path that they were going to bring in five or six transfers.
It just means they are unwilling or unable to truely self scout.
I hope I'm wrong and owens is good. There is nothing in the past that suggests this though.
Things change......Stevens didn't expect to start most of the season......yet he did.
If Owens earns rotation minutes he will get them.......if someone else is better they will get them.
Owens had some games early in the season when he didn't play........I'm sure he expected to play going into the year.
They have 15 roster spots........nobody should have an issue with him returning.
His upside is worth the spot........if you expected Shaka to run off everybody not named Nigel, Royce, Adrien or Sheek you were delusional.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 12:43:15 PMCongrats... you went from being the worst defender on the team, to being the second worst defender on the team ahead of 5'8" sean jones.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 01:27:14 PMI hope I'm wrong and owens is good. There is nothing in the past that suggests this though.
Huh. The data shows DO improved significantly on defense as the season went on.
It's OK to change your opinion when the data changes.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 23, 2026, 01:55:55 PMHuh. The data shows DO improved significantly on defense as the season went on.
It's OK to change your opinion when the data changes.
You can significantly improve and still finish as the second worst defender on the team.
These things are not mutually exclusive.
If you start off bad enough, anything is possible.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 02:21:45 PMYou can significantly improve and still finish as the second worst defender on the team.
These things are not mutually exclusive.
If you start off bad enough, anything is possible.
Except he was legitimately good the last two months of the season according to Paint Touches, yet you refuse to acknowledge this because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Owens has to show consistency to play more, his D is average, not a great rebounder, to skinny, and his shot is debatable. A big center might help him more than you think. If you can pick up a veteran rebounder type I would take him as well or is Alex that player?? Is Minnesale a done deal?
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 02:21:45 PMYou can significantly improve and still finish as the second worst defender on the team.
These things are not mutually exclusive.
If you start off bad enough, anything is possible.
This really is a silly argument you're making. Yes, DO was a train wreck to start the season. He got additional PT and improved. Going forward, it's more likely we see the guy from the last two months of the season than the guy from the first two months. And that guy is good enough to fill a roster spot on this team.
Using your logic, MU should also consider dumping Parham, given how he struggled through the nonconference schedule. Improvement be damned.
Interesting name in the portal. Same prep school and DO and Parham.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2036163734020686046?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 02:40:34 PMInteresting name in the portal. Same prep school and DO and Parham.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2036163734020686046?s=20
Hard pass. No way Willie can handle this guys name.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 01:27:14 PMIt just means they are unwilling or unable to truely self scout.
I hope I'm wrong and owens is good. There is nothing in the past that suggests this though.
That's not what it suggests.
There are 2 open spots in the starting lineup (a 5 and a wing).
Sheek and Owens can be reasonably expected to be in the rotation. A transfer combo guard would also make sense coming off the bench.
Right there you have a potential 8-man rotation that includes 3 transfers. This doesn't even include Egbuonu or Phillips.
Yet you think 2-3 more transfers are going to sign up to come off the bench and not be guaranteed playing time? And why would guys that would sign up for that be any better than our internal options?
When you think logically about adding 5-6 transfers it completely falls apart. It doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2026, 02:29:27 PMExcept he was legitimately good the last two months of the season according to Paint Touches, yet you refuse to acknowledge this because it doesn't fit your narrative.
By this logic, then Caedin Hamilton was legitimately good the last two months of the season. He improved dramatically.
Why isn't scoop big on backing Caedin?
I don't see it with Damarius, the stats don't show real impressive improvement.
Did he improve in conference play. Sure, he did three things, fine in conference play.
He was efficent in transition, which was often the result of a steal made by James or Ross. He was efficent cutting, often the result of Nigel James being great. And he went from the worst defender on the team and became and NCAA average defender by the end of the year.
He was below average to bad at everything else. Perimeter shooting. Attack & Kick. Dribble Jumper. Mid -Range. PnR Passing. Pick&Pop.
Paint Touches likes Damarius Owens, because he has always liked Damarius Owens.
But we have an injury prone player, who is a negative defender on the wing returning.
Has this staff/ fan base learned anything from Sean Jones or Zaide Lowery?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 02:35:24 PMUsing your logic, MU should also consider dumping Parham, given how he struggled through the nonconference schedule. Improvement be damned.
Royce Parham has been a top 4 player for Marquette all season.
Damarius Owens hasn't been better than 17 year old Michael Phillips.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2026, 02:43:29 PMHard pass. No way Willie can handle this guys name.
Neither can JayBee.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2026, 02:48:17 PMThat's not what it suggests.
There are 2 open spots in the starting lineup (a 5 and a wing).
Sheek and Owens can be reasonably expected to be in the rotation. A transfer combo guard would also make sense coming off the bench.
Right there you have a potential 8-man rotation that includes 3 transfers. This doesn't even include Egbuonu or Phillips.
Yet you think 2-3 more transfers are going to sign up to come off the bench and not be guaranteed playing time? And why would guys that would sign up for that be any better than our internal options?
When you think logically about adding 5-6 transfers it completely falls apart. It doesn't make any sense.
I don't think either of those guys should be slotted into the starting lineup if we're expecting big changes talent wise. Neither have proven they can have an impact at this level yet. We need players who can step in and change this sinking ship immediately.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 02:40:34 PMInteresting name in the portal. Same prep school and DO and Parham.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2036163734020686046?s=20
My guess would be that he is a bit undersized for what we are looking for.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 02:48:21 PMHas this staff/ fan base learned anything from Sean Jones or Zaide Lowery?
This is the only thing that gives me pause about the argument for Owens. Lowery was also having a considerably better second half of his sophomore season (better than Owens was iirc) and that didn't exactly continue forward to his jr year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2026, 02:53:31 PMThis is the only thing that gives me pause about the argument for Owens. Lowery was also having a considerably better second half of his sophomore season (better than Owens was iirc) and that didn't exactly continue forward to his jr year.
I used sean jones. For all the people who will point out that Owens got injured in the Summer. (and they are comparable defenders)
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 02:48:21 PMBy this logic, then Caedin Hamilton was legitimately good the last two months of the season. He improved dramatically.
Why isn't scoop big on backing Caedin?
I don't see it with Damarius, the stats don't show real impressive improvement.
Did he improve in conference play. Sure, he did three things, fine in conference play.
He was efficent in transition, which was often the result of a steal made by James or Ross. He was efficent cutting, often the result of Nigel James being great. And he went from the worst defender on the team and became and NCAA average defender by the end of the year.
He was below average to bad at everything else. Perimeter shooting. Attack & Kick. Dribble Jumper. Mid -Range. PnR Passing. Pick&Pop.
Paint Touches likes Damarius Owens, because he has always liked Damarius Owens.
But we have an injury prone player, who is a negative defender on the wing returning.
Has this staff/ fan base learned anything from Sean Jones or Zaide Lowery?
Did you hit your head and not get it checked out? What on earth are you talking about?
Owens was a GOOD DEFENDER the last two months of the season, period. Not sure why this is so complicated for you to grasp.
Also, your Paint Touches criticism is nonsense considering Andrei acknowledged how bad Owens was and used objective data to detail how much he had improved. That's not a narrative, unlike yours.
And unlike Sean and Zaide, it's unlikely Owens is being counted on as a starter for next season.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 02:40:34 PMInteresting name in the portal. Same prep school and DO and Parham.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2036163734020686046?s=20
Interesting connection but not the level we need in my opinion.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2026, 02:52:21 PMMy guess would be that he is a bit undersized for what we are looking for.
6'8 is undersized for a wing? :o
Quote from: panda on March 23, 2026, 02:52:01 PMI don't think either of those guys should be slotted into the starting lineup if we're expecting big changes talent wise. Neither have proven they can have an impact at this level yet. We need players who can step in and change this sinking ship immediately.
The only players I've slotted into the starting lineup for next season are James, Stevens, and Parham so now sure where you're getting any other impression from.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2026, 02:59:19 PMThe only players I've slotted into the starting lineup for next season are James, Stevens, and Parham so now sure where you're getting any other impression from.
My mistake I misread and saw you just said rotation. Frankly they should both be towards the back end of the rotation. We need more established players if we will change course.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 02:40:34 PMInteresting name in the portal. Same prep school and DO and Parham.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2036163734020686046?s=20
Would improve Marquette's ability to Finnish around the basket.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 02:50:32 PMDamarius Owens hasn't been better than 17 year old Michael Phillips.
This is completely false. DO was significantly better than Phillips this season. Was he good enough to start on a tournament contending team? No...but let's not make stuff up here.
Thought Owens not returning would have been a surprise. Would like to know what Shaka feels the team needs are currently and how much that deviates from the general consensus on Scoop, if at all. He may think we're fine at a position where most think we're not.
Quote from: panda on March 23, 2026, 03:03:03 PMMy mistake I misread and saw you just said rotation. Frankly they should both be towards the back end of the rotation. We need more established players if we will change course.
Which players are you referring to?
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 02:50:32 PMRoyce Parham has been a top 4 player for Marquette all season.
His eFG% in the first two months was below 50%, when his three-point shooting made Ben look like a sniper.
QuoteDamarius Owens hasn't been better than 17 year old Michael Phillips.
This is a bad take.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2026, 02:57:01 PMOwens was a GOOD DEFENDER the last two months of the season, period. Not sure why this is so complicated for you to grasp.
And with all that defensive improvement, he still netted out to be a worse defender than he was projected to be at the beginning of the season. https://evanmiya.com/?player_ratings
I am not criticizing Andrei, he just likes Owens, always has. He went and saw him play in High School and is a believer.
I am not. He is always injured and doesn't defend or shoot well.
As for the starting lineup and adding transfers. It is easier to add transfers the more minutes you free up.
I hope Owens plays well if he is here, but I am not optimistic.
To attempt to explain some of jfp's strong feelings about Owens, I don't know what goes into his analysis, but based on this and some of his past posts he seems to be a big believer in Evan Miya's Bayesian Performance Rating (BPR). It's one of the most advanced attempts out there at putting a hard number on the value an individual player brings to their team. You could compare it to WAR in baseball, not a 1 to 1 comparison, but it's trying to accomplish something similar. How much more valuable is this guy compared to an average player? There's an Offensive BPR and a Defensive BPR. Add them together and you get a player's BPR.
BPR hates DO. Has him as the worst defender on the team (excluding walk ons and Sean "small sample size" Jones). Has him as the 6th best offensive player, making him the 7th best rotation player in BPR (below Michael Phillips, above Josh, Caedin, and Tre).
It's a good stat, but not gospel. Personally, I prefer Bart Torvik's PRPG! for offense and Hope Explorer's Adj Box Rating for defense. PRPG! has DO as poor offensive player (but okay in conference play) and Hoop Explorer has DO has a top 600 defensive player (and top 100 in 2026).
Jfp has also been consistent about valuing the whole season of stats vs. just recent data. There was data that showed that Zaide was improving in the second half of last season after an abysmal first half, that obviously didn't pan out (though how much of that was due to whatever was going off the court, we will never know). But I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a player finishing the season strong could indicate improvement going into next season.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 03:13:36 PMAnd with all that defensive improvement, he still netted out to be a worse defender than he was projected to be at the beginning of the season. https://evanmiya.com/?player_ratings
I am not criticizing Andrei, he just likes Owens, always has. He went and saw him play in High School and is a believer.
I am not. He is always injured and doesn't defend or shoot well.
As for the starting lineup and adding transfers. It is easier to add transfers the more minutes you free up.
I hope Owens plays well if he is here, but I am not optimistic.
If you defend like a top 100 player for two months and those two months are the most recent data points, there's a good chance he figured it out as a defender and that's the new normal.
If he reverts next year to his first 1.5 years at MU, it'll be his last year here. If he doesn't, he's a really nice piece. And I think it's way more likely he figured things out on that end than he just got lucky for 2 months. Especially given Shaka's history of developing defenders.
20 year olds sometimes improve, shockingly.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 03:12:57 PMHis eFG% in the first two months was below 50%, when his three-point shooting made Ben look like a sniper.
This is a bad take.
Our team was really that bad. So yeah royce was still a top 4 player. Didn't make him a good player.
And largely I was making a joke with Owens and Phillips. Neither are all that good, but I would bet on Phillips to have a bigger 4 year impact every time over Owens. Give me the guy with more room to grow.
And we'll I quickly glance at dumb stats from the year.
Damarius Owens this year was -47 in 820 possessions.
Michael Phillips was +47 in 391 possessions.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2026, 02:57:56 PM6'8 is undersized for a wing? :o
Is he a wing? I read forward and just assumed front court player.
If he's a wing that'd be pretty interesting.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 03:18:53 PMOur team was really that bad. So yeah royce was still a top 4 player. Didn't make him a good player.
And largely I was making a joke with Owens and Phillips. Neither are all that good, but I would bet on Phillips to have a bigger 4 year impact every time over Owens. Give me the guy with more room to grow.
And we'll I quickly glance at dumb stats from the year.
Damarius Owens this year was -47 in 820 possessions.
Michael Phillips was +47 in 391 possessions.
Phillips had a 30% efg in BE play, averaged 7min a game and didn't score in the majority of BE games. And while I'm using my own very flawed eye test, he didn't really seem to be a great defender either to make up for the offensive end. I can accept your view that he's a better long term prospect, but saying he was a better player than DO this past season is a stretch.
Quote from: panda on March 23, 2026, 03:21:49 PMsheek and owens
If Sheek is towards the back of the rotation he is going to transfer after the 26-27 season. Ideally, he's the first big off the bench, backing up a one-year starter at the 5. And then he's ready to step in as the starter the following season. Shaka is not going to recruit a back-up big to player over Sheek nor should he. I honestly don't see why anyone would disagree with this approach.
As for Owens, he shouldn't be expected to start and should earn whatever minutes he does get. I still think he has a high ceiling.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 11:33:05 AMquestionable decisions are being made
Congrats on having more to b!tch about. It's what makes you the happiest!
I still have great hopes for DO. Monster ceiling if it clicks.
If he doesn't do well and doesn't play a lot, so be it. I wouldn't bank on him to be a 22-25 minute guy, but if he demands it because of his play, great.
jfp is being super weird on this one.
What we need besides a center is a guy(s) who can produce with a medium-high or high usage.
3 transfers in who can contribute nicely feels right. Needing 6-7 is nutzo.
For me, Nigel and Royce start, no doubt. After that, everything is up for grabs (although I realize the reality may be Adrien has a hold on a spot).
#pray
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2026, 04:04:12 PMIf Sheek is towards the back of the rotation he is going to transfer after the 26-27 season. Ideally, he's the first big off the bench, backing up a one-year starter at the 5. And then he's ready to step in as the starter the following season. Shaka is not going to recruit a back-up big to player over Sheek nor should he. I honestly don't see why anyone would disagree with this approach.
As for Owens, he shouldn't be expected to start and should earn whatever minutes he does get. I still think he has a high ceiling.
Honestly why would anyone assume anything about a player who has not played one D1 game. Let's see what he can do first.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 23, 2026, 02:48:21 PMBy this logic, then Caedin Hamilton was legitimately good the last two months of the season. He improved dramatically.
Why isn't scoop big on backing Caedin?
I don't see it with Damarius, the stats don't show real impressive improvement.
Did he improve in conference play. Sure, he did three things, fine in conference play.
He was efficent in transition, which was often the result of a steal made by James or Ross. He was efficent cutting, often the result of Nigel James being great. And he went from the worst defender on the team and became and NCAA average defender by the end of the year.
He was below average to bad at everything else. Perimeter shooting. Attack & Kick. Dribble Jumper. Mid -Range. PnR Passing. Pick&Pop.
Paint Touches likes Damarius Owens, because he has always liked Damarius Owens.
But we have an injury prone player, who is a negative defender on the wing returning.
Has this staff/ fan base learned anything from Sean Jones or Zaide Lowery?
You have chosen the stupidest hill to die on.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:05:41 PMHonestly why would anyone assume anything about a player who has not played one D1 game. Let's see what he can do first.
Because not all of us are dumba$$es. The idea you can't "assume anything" about guy before he plays a D-I game is idiotic.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:05:41 PMHonestly why would anyone assume anything about a player who has not played one D1 game. Let's see what he can do first.
I know you see redshirt next to his name, but he is a top 100 recruit. He sat because he is young.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2026, 05:09:50 PMI know you see redshirt next to his name, but he is a top 100 recruit. He sat because he is young.
I think they redshirted Sheek because Caedin "improved" so much over last summer. If being young was the reason they should have redshirted Phillips as well. Do you agree Shaka should not recruit a big out of HS or a proven D1 transfer equal or better than Sheek out of fear Sheek will transfer? I think just the opposite. It just might be the incentive for Sheek to become a better player. After all as some have said Shaka is the Guru of retaining good players.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 23, 2026, 05:08:44 PMBecause not all of us are dumba$$es. The idea you can't "assume anything" about guy before he plays a D-I game is idiotic.
...and Ben Gold should be in the NBA by now.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 23, 2026, 05:08:44 PMBecause not all of us are dumba$$es. The idea you can't "assume anything" about guy before he plays a D-I game is idiotic.
Seriously. Didnt know it was impossible for some of us to watch these guys before they get to Marquette. Not sure who I was watching last summer on the EYBL if it wasnt Sheek.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:37:57 PMI think they redshirted Sheek because Caedin "improved" so much over last summer. If being young was the reason they should have redshirted Phillips as well. Do you agree Shaka should not recruit a big out of HS or a proven D1 transfer equal or better than Sheek out of fear Sheek will transfer? I think just the opposite. It just might be the incentive for Sheek to become a better player. After all as some have said Shaka is the Guru of retaining good players.
The decision to redshirt him was made when he reclassified........they laid out a plan for him that both the staff and Sheek(and family) believed were best for his long term development.
He needed to build up his body.
I think Shaka signs 1 maybe 2 players, he's got 14 under contract and the only obvious need is a starting center. Improving the center position after Ben Gold should not be difficult, if he ad averaged 14 and 6 Marquette would have won 18 games with the rest of the team being the same. James,Parham and Stevens start the rest is up for grabs. I like Pearson as a 4/5 backing up Parham and the portal guy. Hamilton and Clark are in the mix to back up portal guy as well. Walker backs up Stevens at the 2 spot and Jones stays to backup James. Possible Stevens and or Walker work on being a combo guard at the 1/2 spots. The 3 spot is a dog fight, best man wins among Owens,Philps and Egbouno. I'm not sure what Miletic does for the team as a 2/3 or 4. He and Walker were recruited as shooters so each has a window to play somewhwere in the rotaion. MU shot 32% as a team last seasln and James,Stevens,Philips and Parham shot above that. I expect MU to be much better from distance next season. Looking for a 20 win season with a center that can get 12 and 7 per game. If Norman leaves the next get is a backup point guard to get ready for the early departure of James. A good freshman prospect that will redshirt and be ready to roll when the opprotunity arises
Quote from: hawk on March 23, 2026, 06:01:23 PMI think Shaka signs 1 maybe 2 players, he's got 14 under contract and the only obvious need is a starting center.
#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:40:26 PM...and Ben Gold should be in the NBA by now.
Said absolutely nobody before he played for Marquette. And only one Scooper - the dearly departed ball-knower Goose - ever at any point thought Gold was NBA-bound.
Another classic strawman from a guy who loves to whine about everything. At least you're consistent, eeyore69.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:37:57 PMI think they redshirted Sheek because Caedin "improved" so much over last summer.
Surprise surprise!! You are wrong. Again.
Quote from: MU82 on March 23, 2026, 06:03:05 PMSaid absolutely nobody before he played for Marquette. And only one Scooper - the dearly departed ball-knower Goose - ever at any point thought Gold was NBA-bound.
Another classic strawman from a guy who loves to whine about everything. At least you're consistent, eeyore69.
So Sheek is going to be so great Shaka should not recruit above him or he'll transfer. Now that is a winning strategy.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 23, 2026, 06:09:54 PMSurprise surprise!! You are wrong. Again.
I stand corrected.
Quote from: hawk on March 23, 2026, 06:01:23 PMI think Shaka signs 1 maybe 2 players, he's got 14 under contract and the only obvious need is a starting center. Improving the center position after Ben Gold should not be difficult, if he ad averaged 14 and 6 Marquette would have won 18 games with the rest of the team being the same. James,Parham and Stevens start the rest is up for grabs. I like Pearson as a 4/5 backing up Parham and the portal guy. Hamilton and Clark are in the mix to back up portal guy as well. Walker backs up Stevens at the 2 spot and Jones stays to backup James. Possible Stevens and or Walker work on being a combo guard at the 1/2 spots. The 3 spot is a dog fight, best man wins among Owens,Philps and Egbouno. I'm not sure what Miletic does for the team as a 2/3 or 4. He and Walker were recruited as shooters so each has a window to play somewhwere in the rotaion. MU shot 32% as a team last seasln and James,Stevens,Philips and Parham shot above that. I expect MU to be much better from distance next season. Looking for a 20 win season with a center that can get 12 and 7 per game. If Norman leaves the next get is a backup point guard to get ready for the early departure of James. A good freshman prospect that will redshirt and be ready to roll when the opprotunity arises
Absolutely insane thing to say after our worst season of this century.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 23, 2026, 06:21:32 PMAbsolutely insane thing to say after our worst season of this century.
A 4-6 finish in the worst Big East in a decade has led to some rose-colored analysis.
Kwame Evans from Oregon in the portal.
Treyson Anderson of NDSU is another big in the portal
Shaka only signs " one or two " players?
And only " obvious " need is a center ?
As the kids say... WTAF ?! They lost 20 games in an awful BE. Worst team since
Dukiet.
If Shaka runs it back w/ only one new guy, ( unless it's Zuby from SJU ) he will be likely looking for a new job
a year from now.
I think Shaka signs the Cleveland Cavaliers this offseason
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:05:41 PMHonestly why would anyone assume anything about a player who has not played one D1 game. Let's see what he can do first.
Because he was highly-regarded and has already spent a season with the program.
Sure, that certainly not a guarantee but I don't think expecting Sheek to play 10-15 MPG off the bench is a huge stretch.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:37:57 PMI think they redshirted Sheek because Caedin "improved" so much over last summer. If being young was the reason they should have redshirted Phillips as well. Do you agree Shaka should not recruit a big out of HS or a proven D1 transfer equal or better than Sheek out of fear Sheek will transfer? I think just the opposite. It just might be the incentive for Sheek to become a better player. After all as some have said Shaka is the Guru of retaining good players.
That is not why he was redshirted.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 23, 2026, 07:22:35 PMI think Shaka signs the Cleveland Cavaliers this offseason
Shaka's cavalier attitude is how we got here in the first place.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 05:05:41 PMHonestly why would anyone assume anything about a player who has not played one D1 game. Let's see what he can do first.
you were a huge fanboy for Henry before he ever suited up.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 23, 2015, 11:12:05 AMWell the last link says "Big Man". I'll concede it may mean the center position, but how the hell they could leave Henry out of that discussion is beyond me. Those "Holyland" folks are in for a "BIG" surprise.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2026, 08:50:06 PMyou were a huge fanboy for Henry before he ever suited up.
He was one of the most sought after players in the state/country and average 17 point and just under 10 rebounds his freshman year in a strong Big East. He didn't have to redshirt to bulk up. Everyone knew he was a one and done, not just me. Now if Sheek can put up those numbers I'll be impressed.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 23, 2026, 09:53:43 PMHe was one of the most sought after players in the state/country and average 17 point and just under 10 rebounds his freshman year in a strong Big East. He didn't have to redshirt to bulk up. Everyone knew he was a one and done, not just me. Now if Sheek can put up those numbers I'll be impressed.
So there is a reason someone should assume things about a player that hasn't played a D1 game if they're highly ranked? You've also fawned over Grimmes and Mannion in your post history. So you do buy into rankings at a certain point.
NM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 23, 2026, 10:37:06 PMSo there is a reason someone should assume things about a player that hasn't played a D1 game if they're highly ranked? You've also fawned over Grimmes and Mannion in your post history. So you do buy into rankings at a certain point.
Guilty as charged, but right now I am very skeptical that this current staff can evaluate talent. More misses than hits.
Can still get Karim Mane?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 24, 2026, 07:17:58 AMGuilty as charged, but right now I am very skeptical that this current staff can evaluate talent. More misses than hits.
100% agreed. Of course the misses like Lowery (offers KSU, Missouri St) Tre (offers from Miami, UMass) is a heck of a lot different than Sheek's offers from Iowa St, Illinois, Purdue, Mizzou. One is verifiably a high major recruit by a lot of coaching staffs. The misses likely had their rankings skewed by the name "Marquette" on their offer list.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 24, 2026, 07:17:58 AMGuilty as charged, but right now I am very skeptical that this current staff can evaluate talent. More misses than hits.
Wait until you hear about the guys that Buzz and Crean whiffed on.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2026, 09:28:24 AMWait until you hear about the guys that Buzz and Crean whiffed on.
Reggie smith, mbao, and Jamal Ferguson were real ballers!
I have not watched a more than a few highlights of Nolan Minessale at St. Thomas but he seems like a solid scorer. Can he handle the ball? I think his ceiling isn't high enough defensively for him to be our answer at small forward. But does he slot in at PG when Nigel needs a breather while also playing the 2/3?
Really happy Owens will be back, and I'm expecting Phillips to announce soon too. I've said it before but these dudes could really break out next season with (hopefully healthy) 7 months of offseason work. Each should put on some muscle to fill out those frames and they should improve on defense. DO's rebounding is awesome and should help next year.
DO, Phillips, and Egbuonu should give us really good options at SF.
I'm all in on Sheek Pearson as well. I think we brought him in with early enrollment to help solidify his commitment. Other high majors were sniffing around after his monster EYBL performances. If they bring in a big man, it should be a senior so it doesn't rub block opportunities for Sheek. He can also play the 4, so having a nice trifecta with Royce and the new big can give us good versatility and depth. Anything you get from Caedin/Josh after that is gravy.
I like our players too. But I'm in the camp we need to supplement to win now while continuing to develop the future.
It will probably force a couple of tough choices as we wont have the luxury to stretch young players into starter mins. I would estimate we're at least two but probably closer to 3 starter quality players away from being relevant next year.
Has the banquet been announced yet? I haven't seen anything. I'm guessing that we'll hear about the departures after the banquet
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 24, 2026, 09:37:06 AMI'm all in on Sheek Pearson as well. I think we brought him in with early enrollment to help solidify his commitment. Other high majors were sniffing around after his monster EYBL performances.
A big man whose finalists come down to Marquette, Purdue, Iowa State, and Illinois is a guy I'll do whatever it takes to land. So while I've been annoyed with Shaka's infatuation with project big men (Keeyan, Caedin, Josh), THIS is how you do it: give a big-time recruit the option to come a year early/redshirt/get paid a year early so you can steal him from programs that do better with bigs than anyone.
I'm absolutely thrilled we got Sheek in the mix, but we need a Kur Kuath-esque one-year stopgap while Sheek gets his weight up and gets acclimated to the college game.
Quote from: onepost on March 24, 2026, 10:06:33 AMI'm absolutely thrilled we got Sheek in the mix, but we need a Kur Kuath-esque one-year stopgap while Sheek gets his weight up and gets acclimated to the college game.
Agreed I think Sheek could realistically finish the year as a starter but we need a stable strong option for the first half while he adapts.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 24, 2026, 09:37:06 AMDO, Phillips, and Egbuonu should give us really good options at SF.
I'm very skeptical that these three make a major impact next year.
I've watched a few of his HS and summer games, and Egbuonu's defense is nowhere close to D1 ready. I'd expect his role next year to mirror the freshman year of Phillips as an end of the bench player, or possibly even redshirt like Miletic.
Phillips looked incredibly raw this year and probably should have redshirted. I will be surprised if one off-season is enough time for him to improve into a top 8 rotation player.
Owens is currently the best of the group, but his game has lots of question marks. I think he needs to change his shooting form entirely, work a ton on his ball handling, become a more reliable defender, and continue to add strength. I will be interested to see where Owens is a year from now. Will we be projecting him as a starter going into his senior year or lamenting his lack of improvement? Time will tell.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 24, 2026, 10:32:47 AMI'm very skeptical that these three make a major impact next year.
I've watched a few of his HS and summer games, and Egbuonu's defense is nowhere close to D1 ready. I'd expect his role next year to mirror the freshman year of Phillips as an end of the bench player, or possibly even redshirt like Miletic.
Phillips looked incredibly raw this year and probably should have redshirted. I will be surprised if one off-season is enough time for him to improve into a top 8 rotation player.
Owens is currently the best of the group, but his game has lots of question marks. I think he needs to change his shooting form entirely, work a ton on his ball handling, become a more reliable defender, and continue to add strength. I will be interested to see where Owens is a year from now. Will we be projecting him as a starter going into his senior year or lamenting his lack of improvement? Time will tell.
I'd be absolutely shocked if Egbuonu redshirts. My understanding is he doesn't need a redshirt year to get his body ready to compete in the Big East.
The question is how quickly can the staff get him up to speed defensively.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 24, 2026, 11:03:10 AMI'd be absolutely shocked if Egbuonu redshirts. My understanding is he doesn't need a redshirt year to get his body ready to compete in the Big East.
The question is how quickly can the staff get him up to speed defensively.
Right. This isn't like Sheek, who was rail thin and needed to gain lots of strength.
I agree it's unlikely Alex redshirts, but if he does it will be to focus on skill development.
How often to Gatorade Players of the Year redshirt? Gotta be close to never I imagine. At least for guys that are healthy.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 24, 2026, 09:32:16 AMI have not watched a more than a few highlights of Nolan Minessale at St. Thomas but he seems like a solid scorer. Can he handle the ball? I think his ceiling isn't high enough defensively for him to be our answer at small forward. But does he slot in at PG when Nigel needs a breather while also playing the 2/3?
Don't know how it would translate at a higher level but NM was conference DPOY.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 24, 2026, 11:03:10 AMI'd be absolutely shocked if Egbuonu redshirts. My understanding is he doesn't need a redshirt year to get his body ready to compete in the Big East.
The question is how quickly can the staff get him up to speed defensively.
The last thing this team needs are more redshirts. We need guys that can play better in games than practice.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 24, 2026, 11:40:43 AMThe last thing this team needs are more redshirts. We need guys that can play better in games than practice.
You realize most rotations go 7-8 deep, right?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 24, 2026, 11:40:43 AMThe last thing this team needs are more redshirts. We need guys that can play better in games than practice.
Does anyone play better in games than in practice?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2026, 11:28:54 AMHow often to Gatorade Players of the Year redshirt? Gotta be close to never I imagine. At least for guys that are healthy.
There are plenty of Gatorade Player of the Years who aren't even D1 players every year.
Jayden Miranda, Layden Kauka, likely Jordan Carlson (although he's only a junior), Nolen Ames, Lincoln Rogers, Uzziah Sanders, David Lunn (another junior, so could develop into a D1 player), Sam DeGroot, and Gibby Williams (another junior) are all either seniors not playing D1 basketball next year, or juniors with no D1 offers that won Gatorade POTY winners this year.
So I'm guessing there have been plenty of Gatorade POTYs to redshirt their freshman season.
https://x.com/transferportal/status/2036485336595861543?s=61
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 11:52:14 AMThere are plenty of Gatorade Player of the Years who aren't even D1 players every year.
Jayden Miranda, Layden Kauka, likely Jordan Carlson (although he's only a junior), Nolen Ames, Lincoln Rogers, Uzziah Sanders, David Lunn (another junior, so could develop into a D1 player), Sam DeGroot, and Gibby Williams (another junior) are all either seniors not playing D1 basketball next year, or juniors with no D1 offers that won Gatorade POTY winners this year.
So I'm guessing there have been plenty of Gatorade POTYs to redshirt their freshman season.
Interesting. I suppose it makes sense in some of the smaller states especially.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2026, 11:28:54 AMHow often to Gatorade Players of the Year redshirt? Gotta be close to never I imagine. At least for guys that are healthy.
In small states.... all of the time.
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 11:52:29 AMhttps://x.com/transferportal/status/2036485336595861543?s=61
Things continue to go well at Georgetown.
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 11:52:29 AMhttps://x.com/transferportal/status/2036485336595861543?s=61
Just the kind of 1-year Rent-A-Gunner that Gard uses to craft a first-weekend exit. Go for it, Greg!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2026, 11:28:54 AMHow often to Gatorade Players of the Year redshirt? Gotta be close to never I imagine. At least for guys that are healthy.
Brian Butch was a McDonald's All American and red shirted at Wisconsin.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2026, 11:46:51 AMYou realize most rotations go 7-8 deep, right?
*narrator's voice*He didn't
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 24, 2026, 12:11:24 PMThings continue to go well at Georgetown.
Transfers were a problem well before Ed Cooley. There's not a lot of player loyalty to a last place Big East team drawing as few as 2,000 a night in some games, and NIL doesn't help.
It bears repeating that Georgetown is not a place where there is a line out the door with donors willing to hand over six and seven figure checks to group that represents less that two percent of its student-athletes. In that respect, basketball is no longer the institutional priority it may be at other Big East schools, MU included.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2026, 01:06:00 PMBrian Butch was a McDonald's All American and red shirted at Wisconsin.
Bo Ryan was a psycho, though.
Sir Mohammed entered the portal..
He is really bad.
But you never know
Quote from: swoopem on March 24, 2026, 09:58:10 AMHas the banquet been announced yet? I haven't seen anything. I'm guessing that we'll hear about the departures after the banquet
https://today.marquette.edu/2026/03/marquette-mens-basketball-banquet-april-9/
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 01:40:32 PMhttps://today.marquette.edu/2026/03/marquette-mens-basketball-banquet-april-9/
Portal window opens April 7th.
Anyone entering the portal should enter before that date.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 01:37:21 PMSir Mohammed entered the portal..
He is really bad.
But you never know
Yikes. Forgot about him and just looked him up. Brutal
Gard continues to get it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2036508677004222867
not bad for a three point sniper at the 2
https://x.com/KayserHoops/status/2036488991768240527
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2026, 01:58:39 PMnot bad for a three point sniper at the 2
https://x.com/KayserHoops/status/2036488991768240527
Would be nice to get an in-state kid.
Anton Bonke out of Charlotte. Great name and good height.
Not interested in any one under 6'10" and 220 as a big....
And a combo guard who shoots 38 to 43 parent and makes 80 percent of his free throws...
He could drive you Bonkers.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 24, 2026, 11:50:30 AMDoes anyone play better in games than in practice?
Ask Shaka, he knows.
Quote from: burger on March 24, 2026, 02:45:31 PMNot interested in any one under 6'10" and 220 as a big....
And a combo guard who shoots 38 to 43 parent and makes 80 percent of his free throws...
Nobody should shoot that many parents
Quote from: burger on March 24, 2026, 02:45:31 PMNot interested in any one under 6'10" and 220 as a big....
And a combo guard who shoots 38 to 43 parent and makes 80 percent of his free throws...
We have enough bad players that i just want good players
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 03:05:48 PMWe have enough bad players that i just want good players
Anybody Shaka brings in, either as a transfer or a recruit, is bad. He's a bad recruiter and a bad coach. He needs to be fired yesterday and replaced with someone who only brings in good players. Right?
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 03:16:11 PMAnybody Shaka brings in, either as a transfer or a recruit, is bad. He's a bad recruiter and a bad coach. He needs to be fired yesterday and replaced with someone who only brings in good players. Right?
I am now an anti-shaka smart guy, because I want 7-8 Big east level players on the roster
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 23, 2026, 04:04:12 PMIf Sheek is towards the back of the rotation he is going to transfer after the 26-27 season. Ideally, he's the first big off the bench, backing up a one-year starter at the 5. And then he's ready to step in as the starter the following season. Shaka is not going to recruit a back-up big to player over Sheek nor should he. I honestly don't see why anyone would disagree with this approach.
As for Owens, he shouldn't be expected to start and should earn whatever minutes he does get. I still think he has a high ceiling.
It takes bigs more time to acclimate themselves to the college game than it does guards. Skilled guards are more ready than bigs. Nigel James was ready for action day 1 as reported first by Panda last offseason.
Bouncy bigs like Sheek are not used to going against guys bigger and stronger than them. Not saying he won't get there, but expecting an impact from him next year in a position we sorely need instant contributors is just not right. Ideally, we pick up a starting center and a 20-25ish minute 4/5 type player who can spell both positions. It's unrealistic to expect the impact we need from him as a first guy off the bench type.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 03:21:40 PMI am now an anti-shaka smart guy, because I want 7-8 Big east level players on the roster
We're not going to get the amount of transfers you're asking for, but people treating you like a heretic for saying we need to overhaul a team who was absolutely abysmal last season are wearing the bluest of blue and gold glasses. This team needs a major lift if we're going to change our fortunes for next season.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 24, 2026, 11:50:30 AMDoes anyone play better in games than in practice?
Josh Clark, according to Shaka.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 03:26:51 PMWe're not going to get the amount of transfers you're asking for, but people treating you like a heretic for saying we need to overhaul a team who was absolutely abysmal last season are wearing the bluest of blue and gold glasses. This team needs a major lift if we're going to change our fortunes for next season.
Except in basketball 3 players can make a major lift. You're not playing 11 players like in football or 10 like in baseball at one time (or throughout an entire game, for that matter).
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 03:43:44 PMExcept in basketball 3 players can make a major lift. You're not playing 11 players like in football or 10 like in baseball at one time (or throughout an entire game, for that matter).
We need to replace 2 starters - no one on the roster now is capable of filling those spots and contributing. We then need bench depth. We have one player (Owens) who has experience. Lots of pieces are needed if we want a quick bounce back.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 03:46:45 PMWe need to replace 2 starters - no one on the roster now is capable of filling those spots and contributing. We then need bench depth. We have one player (Owens) who has experience. Lots of pieces are needed if we want a quick bounce back.
Yes, 2 starters and one good bench piece (sixth man level). 3 spots, which is what everyone is saying. I'm not sure why you and others on Scoop think you need a 10+ man rotation. Again, look at our bench depth when we won a double Big East title and got a 2 seed. 7th on the team in minutes per game as freshman year Chase Ross. 8th on the team in minutes per game was freshman year Sean Jones. If you don't think 6th man level portal player plus junior year Owens plus one of the redshirts/Philips/incoming freshman can give you that level then I'm not sure what to tell you. Stop acting like you need All Big East caliber players in spots 7-10 to compete.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 01:49:36 PMPortal window opens April 7th.
Anyone entering the portal should enter before that date.
#FakeNews #Lies
What are you trying to say?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 04:01:41 PMYes, 2 starters and one good bench piece (sixth man level). 3 spots, which is what everyone is saying. I'm not sure why you and others on Scoop think you need a 10+ man rotation. Again, look at our bench depth when we won a double Big East title and got a 2 seed. 7th on the team in minutes per game as freshman year Chase Ross. 8th on the team in minutes per game was freshman year Sean Jones. If you don't think 6th man level portal player plus junior year Owens plus one of the redshirts/Philips/incoming freshman can give you that level then I'm not sure what to tell you. Stop acting like you need All Big East caliber players in spots 7-10 to compete.
I think you lost me when you compared the returners from last season to a 2 seed team. Not comparable situations.
We need big east level players. Currently we have 3 on our roster.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 03:16:11 PMAnybody Shaka brings in, either as a transfer or a recruit, is bad. He's a bad recruiter and a bad coach. He needs to be fired yesterday and replaced with someone who only brings in good players. Right?
He's hit on his transfers, which is why I'm optimistic that he is going to start using the Portal again. I'll give him a pass on Wrightsill, too, as he was injured all season.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 04:24:11 PMI think you lost me when you compared the returners from last season to a 2 seed team. Not comparable situations.
We need big east level players. Currently we have 3 on our roster.
So you ignored the part about adding 2 starters and a 6th man level player?
Good lord you're insufferable.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 04:24:11 PMI think you lost me when you compared the returners from last season to a 2 seed team. Not comparable situations.
We need big east level players. Currently we have 3 on our roster.
I didn't interpret his post that way. It was a statement about depth - that team only went 7-8 deep.
And quite honestly, did anyone expect Kolek to be BE POY caliber going into that season? James is ahead of where Kolek was.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 04:24:11 PMI think you lost me when you compared the returners from last season to a 2 seed team. Not comparable situations.
We need big east level players. Currently we have 3 on our roster.
Actually we need SEC, B12 and B1G level players.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 04:01:41 PMYes, 2 starters and one good bench piece (sixth man level). 3 spots, which is what everyone is saying. I'm not sure why you and others on Scoop think you need a 10+ man rotation.
And frankly, add two starters and a sixth man and you could argue we very well could have a 10-man rotation.
The starters would presumably be NJ, Stevens, Parham, and two transfers. The bench would start with the third transfer, Owens, Phillips, and Pearson. I think the hope would be for the first two to be in the 15-20 mpg range, like Owens was this year. The latter two, closer to 10-15 mpg. Which means you're hoping that one of Egbuonu, Miletic, or Walker can give you 5-10 mop up minutes and be decent enough to maybe fill a role from time to time. Shaka's always had at least one freshman give that many minutes, no reason to think one of the three couldn't at least be a step above nothing.
Nash Bridges will more than suffice as the 6th man. Coolest name in years and an Aussie accent. Case closed. 1 BE level big and a solid wing will get it done.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 04:26:44 PMSo you ignored the part about adding 2 starters and a 6th man level player?
Good lord you're insufferable.
Zaide, Sean, tre, Caedin and Clark all out. None of them have anything to offer at this level. That's 5 spots.
Replacements for Ben and chase = 2.
We have one player who has played college basketball coming off the bench. 3 players are needed to make this team competitive next season. Not sure what makes wanting the best for this team and program insufferable.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 04:54:34 PMZaide, Sean, tre, Caedin and Clark all out. None of them have anything to offer at this level. That's 5 spots.
Replacements for Ben and chase = 2.
We have one player who has played college basketball coming off the bench. 3 players are needed to make this team competitive next season. Not sure what makes wanting the best for this team and program insufferable.
All this arguing...just to agree with EXACTLY what the large majority of Scoopers have been saying? What are you arguing against?
95% of Scoopers: We need 3 high quality transfers to be competitive next season.
Panda: WE NEED TO FLIP THE ROSTER TO BE COMPETITIVE!
95% of Scoopers: No we don't. We need 3 high quality transfers.
Panda: Our roster sucks. 3 players are needed to make this team competitive next season.
Like WTF?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 05:10:44 PMAll this arguing...just to agree with EXACTLY what the large majority of Scoopers have been saying? What are you arguing against?
95% of Scoopers: We need 3 high quality transfers to be competitive next season.
Panda: WE NEED TO FLIP THE ROSTER TO BE COMPETITIVE!
95% of Scoopers: No we don't. We need 3 high quality transfers.
Panda: Our roster sucks. 3 players are needed to make this team competitive next season.
Like WTF?
Is it really that controversial to suggest a team who only beat two top 70 teams all year (butler and UConn) needs a ton of help going into next season?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 24, 2026, 04:29:41 PMAnd frankly, add two starters and a sixth man and you could argue we very well could have a 10-man rotation.
The starters would presumably be NJ, Stevens, Parham, and two transfers. The bench would start with the third transfer, Owens, Phillips, and Pearson. I think the hope would be for the first two to be in the 15-20 mpg range, like Owens was this year. The latter two, closer to 10-15 mpg. Which means you're hoping that one of Egbuonu, Miletic, or Walker can give you 5-10 mop up minutes and be decent enough to maybe fill a role from time to time. Shaka's always had at least one freshman give that many minutes, no reason to think one of the three couldn't at least be a step above nothing.
Basically where I am at, not sure they make it to 3 transfers though.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 24, 2026, 01:54:51 PMGard continues to get it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2036508677004222867
I heard Robinson only got an A- in sub-atomic physics, so yah, he gawn!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 03:43:44 PMExcept in basketball 3 players can make a major lift. You're not playing 11 players like in football or 10 like in baseball at one time (or throughout an entire game, for that matter).
If we go 3/3 and nail three transfers we're gonna be a really good team with 6 players who are guaranteed to be good enough. Call it the 30th best team.
I hope this happens because if we don't next year we will be pretty meh at best.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 03:26:51 PMWe're not going to get the amount of transfers you're asking for, but people treating you like a heretic for saying we need to overhaul a team who was absolutely abysmal last season are wearing the bluest of blue and gold glasses. This team needs a major lift if we're going to change our fortunes for next season.
Simply put.
Needing to go 3/3 on incoming transfers is a narrow path to success.
Needing to go 3/6 on incoming transfers is a less narrow path to success.
And giving up on a freshman, Caedin, and DO to do this makes a ton of sense.
I can understand that Shaka won't do it. But, like last year, he is recruiting with metaphorical "handcuffs" on for no good reason.
I think he should recruit 6 new transfers then adopt 6 more transfers.
Maybe 7.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 01:37:21 PMSir Mohammed entered the portal..
He is really bad.
But you never know
And he's royalty.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2026, 04:25:44 PMHe's hit on his transfers, which is why I'm optimistic that he is going to start using the Portal again. I'll give him a pass on Wrightsill, too, as he was injured all season.
That's fair on Wrightsil. But the thing that's perplexed me is: why did they decide to only not take D-1 transfers? They decided to take NAIA transfers, but not D-1. Where was the logic in that? That they won't expect to be front of the line?
Look, we should all be very pleased our
talented trio will be back. As far as the rest of the roster? No one disagrees we need ballers. Plural. 2 high impact transfers minimum with the most pressing priority being a badass 5.
For arguments sake, let's assume we fill that spot with a rim protector, rebound usurper, and a bone crushing screen setter that can give us 10 and 8. This alone would change everything.
That brings us to our 2nd portal target which has to be a bona fide sniper/switchable. A guy who can lace the triple but also play on both ends of the floor (6'6 or so). This is vital as well.
My contention is if at worst, were able to add these two needs, we become immediately relevant. Not world beaters, or a top 4 seed, but a team that absolutely should be NCAA tournament bound.
I'm open to listen to our 3rd target, and how to remove certain dead weight to expedite this, but I'll defer to the rational scoop experts. What I do not want to read is people assuming next year will be another dumpster 🔥 without knowing who will actually be on the roster.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2026, 04:01:41 PMYes, 2 starters and one good bench piece (sixth man level). 3 spots, which is what everyone is saying. I'm not sure why you and others on Scoop think you need a 10+ man rotation. Again, look at our bench depth when we won a double Big East title and got a 2 seed. 7th on the team in minutes per game as freshman year Chase Ross. 8th on the team in minutes per game was freshman year Sean Jones. If you don't think 6th man level portal player plus junior year Owens plus one of the redshirts/Philips/incoming freshman can give you that level then I'm not sure what to tell you. Stop acting like you need All Big East caliber players in spots 7-10 to compete.
Yup.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 24, 2026, 04:29:41 PMAnd frankly, add two starters and a sixth man and you could argue we very well could have a 10-man rotation.
The starters would presumably be NJ, Stevens, Parham, and two transfers. The bench would start with the third transfer, Owens, Phillips, and Pearson. I think the hope would be for the first two to be in the 15-20 mpg range, like Owens was this year. The latter two, closer to 10-15 mpg. Which means you're hoping that one of Egbuonu, Miletic, or Walker can give you 5-10 mop up minutes and be decent enough to maybe fill a role from time to time. Shaka's always had at least one freshman give that many minutes, no reason to think one of the three couldn't at least be a step above nothing.
Yup.
Some folks just like to argue ... even when they essentially agree. It's one of the things that makes Scoop so much fun!
Now, we need 3 good transfers to come in next season. Not 3 ... I said 3, dammit!
I think we can still be pretty good going 2 for 3 on the transfer front.......improvement from Nigel/Stevens/Royce.......and having some decent contribution from a few guys like Sheek, Nash, Ian , Phillips, Owens or Alex. Not all mind you just a couple......like we have had in most of Shaka's tenure.
If one of them makes a big leap then things look even better........but not expecting that.....just contributors.....like Freshmen level Chase, Kam or Royce.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out but there are plenty of different ways we can be a tournament level team without thinking we have to turn over half the roster........which was never going to happen anyway so not sure why the subject was even mentioned.
Bring on the spring!
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 08:01:53 PMIt will be interesting to see how it plays out but there are plenty of different ways we can be a tournament level team without thinking we have to turn over half the roster........which was never going to happen anyway so not sure why the subject was even mentioned.
Your entire comment was right-on, but the part I highlighted is what so many are ignoring.
It would be beyond stunning if Shaka ejected 6-7 players. I get that some Scoopers want that, but hey, I want store-brand ice cream to taste like Leon's butter pecan. I'm just realistic enough to know it's not gonna happen.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 08:22:08 PMYour entire comment was right-on, but the part I highlighted is what so many are ignoring.
It would be beyond stunning if Shaka ejected 6-7 players. I get that some Scoopers want that, but hey, I want store-brand ice cream to taste like Leon's butter pecan. I'm just realistic enough to know it's not gonna happen.
This year's team had a worse record than wojo's first team. That team finished with 8 scholarship players.
Damarius Owens would be somewhere between sophomore Jujuan and freshman Sandy Cohen on that team. Caedin would be battling out Steve Taylor for minutes on that team.
And I'm ignoring Sean and Tre praying shaka doesn't do something really stupid next year.
We are doing dumb things again this summer. And I am just pointing it out now.
Call it unrealistic. Fine. It also is generously suboptimal.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 08:51:21 PMThis year's team had a worse record than wojo's first team. That team finished with 8 scholarship players.
Damarius Owens would be somewhere between sophomore Jujuan and freshman Sandy Cohen on that team. Caedin would be battling out Steve Taylor for minutes on that team.
And I'm ignoring Sean and Tre praying shaka doesn't do something really stupid next year.
We are doing dumb things again this summer. And I am just pointing it out now.
Call it unrealistic. Fine. It also is generously suboptimal.
The big east stunk out loud this year too.
Quote from: panda on March 24, 2026, 09:01:13 PMThe big east stunk out loud this year too.
I think that fact is behind the partial 'fools gold' of our later season improvements. I doubt Shaka would misread the situation as very promising based upon the level of competition. But I think any more than 4 new players feels like too much for me. 3-4 is the sweet spot IMHO.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 08:51:21 PMThis year's team had a worse record than wojo's first team. That team finished with 8 scholarship players.
Damarius Owens would be somewhere between sophomore Jujuan and freshman Sandy Cohen on that team. Caedin would be battling out Steve Taylor for minutes on that team.
And I'm ignoring Sean and Tre praying shaka doesn't do something really stupid next year.
We are doing dumb things again this summer. And I am just pointing it out now.
Call it unrealistic. Fine. It also is generously suboptimal.
Just happy that Shaka didn't do " dumb things" like run off Stevie, Jop and Oso after their freshman years.
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 09:39:05 PMJust happy that Shaka didn't do " dumb things" like tun off Stevie, Jop and Oso after their freshman years.
I am talking about two sophmores.
Freshman year stevie is better than sophmore year owens and hamilton.
Oso should have been starting his first year under shaka by the end of the year.
Joplin was better than both of these guys as a sophmore.
Heck, Zaide was better than both of them last year.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 08:51:21 PMThis year's team had a worse record than wojo's first team. That team finished with 8 scholarship players.
Damarius Owens would be somewhere between sophomore Jujuan and freshman Sandy Cohen on that team. Caedin would be battling out Steve Taylor for minutes on that team.
And I'm ignoring Sean and Tre praying shaka doesn't do something really stupid next year.
We are doing dumb things again this summer. And I am just pointing it out now.
Call it unrealistic. Fine. It also is generously suboptimal.
You can see the future?
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 09:45:04 PMI am talking about two sophmores.
Freshman year stevie is better than sophmore year owens and hamilton.
Oso should have been starting his first year under shaka by the end of the year.
Joplin was better than both of these guys as a sophmore.
Heck, Zaide was better than both of them last year.
Just stop.......Oso was hurt at the end of his freshman year and admitted he wasn't ready to contribute as a freshman.
you are not reading the words i typed.
If Nolan Minessale comes is he considered a nice piece, or a difference maker?
He's local so I assume some on here have seen him enough in HS or at St Thomas to take a guess at projecting his BE contribution?
I watched St Thomas once and he did not stand out, but very limited sample size so I can't contribute.
Would it be a plays at the same time as Nigel and Adrien or spells them off the bench situation?
Quote from: DoctorV on March 24, 2026, 10:17:51 PMIf Nolan Minessale comes is he considered a nice piece, or a difference maker?
He's local so I assume some on here have seen him enough in HS or at St Thomas to take a guess at projecting his BE contribution?
I watched St Thomas once and he did not stand out, but very limited sample size so I can't contribute.
Would it be a plays at the same time as Nigel and Adrien or spells them off the bench situation?
He could start here but I wouldn't think it is a guarantee.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 08:51:21 PMThis year's team had a worse record than wojo's first team. That team finished with 8 scholarship players.
Damarius Owens would be somewhere between sophomore Jujuan and freshman Sandy Cohen on that team. Caedin would be battling out Steve Taylor for minutes on that team.
And I'm ignoring Sean and Tre praying shaka doesn't do something really stupid next year.
We are doing dumb things again this summer. And I am just pointing it out now.
Call it unrealistic. Fine. It also is generously suboptimal.
OK, your POV is duly noted ... for the 108th time. Thanks for at least admitting it's unrealistic this time. Baby steps.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 24, 2026, 10:17:51 PMIf Nolan Minessale comes is he considered a nice piece, or a difference maker?
He's local so I assume some on here have seen him enough in HS or at St Thomas to take a guess at projecting his BE contribution?
I watched St Thomas once and he did not stand out, but very limited sample size so I can't contribute.
Would it be a plays at the same time as Nigel and Adrien or spells them off the bench situation?
If he started on St Thomas, is Marquette good enough for him?
Give me an air craft carrier that'll catch fire cleaning up the interior like the USS Gerald Ford
Quote from: jfp61 on March 24, 2026, 05:58:16 PMSimply put.
Needing to go 3/3 on incoming transfers is a narrow path to success.
Needing to go 3/6 on incoming transfers is a less narrow path to success.
And giving up on a freshman, Caedin, and DO to do this makes a ton of sense.
I can understand that Shaka won't do it. But, like last year, he is recruiting with metaphorical "handcuffs" on for no good reason.
I've seen you post the 3/3 on transfers line before. I understand what you are saying but I don't think it's a correct description of the situation.
I tend to put players into tiers when I'm thinking about roster building. If you're going to be competing for an at large bid, you should have at least 8 players you can count on. 1+ stud, 2+ above average starters, 3+ starter level players, and 2+ bench players who aren't liabilities on the floor.
I believe you are fan of BPR, so I'll use that to define my tiers:
Tier 1 (Studs): 6.5 BPR or higher
Tier 2 (Above Average Starters): 4.75-6.5 BPR
Tier 3 (Starter Level Players): 3-4.75 BPR
Tier 4 (Non-Liability Bench Players): 1.5-3 BPR
I feel comfortable saying we have a stud in NJ. Tier 1 is covered.
I feel comfortable saying we have two Tier 3 players in Royce and Adrien. I also don't think it's unreasonable to believe that one or both could be a Tier 2 player next season. So 2/5 of Tier 2/3 is covered.
Tier 4, I'm confident that if we address Tiers 2 and 3, we will find two players who can cover that last Tier.
So you're right, we need 3 players to cover our gaps in Tiers 2/3. But we don't need to go 3/3 in transfers. We need 3 of the 12 scholarships we have left after the Big 3 to turn into Tier 2/3 players. Transfers are certainly a way to do it. Arguably it's the method with the highest likelihood of success. However, I think it would be a mistake to completely dismiss HS recruits and development from returning players.
Last year's freshman class included a Tier 2 player (NJ) and a Tier 3 player (Adrien). Next year's crop of 3 redshirt freshmen and 2 true freshmen could have a similar yield. Phillips could take a jump. I know you will disagree, but I think Owens has potential to be a Tier 3 player next season. I'm certainly not banking on it, but hoop explorer likes his defense a lot more than BPR does. My eye test says Hoop Explorer is more accurate in this case, but we will certainly see. Caedin could ...okay that's a probably a bridge too far.
I think 3 transfers in sounds about right. But those won't be the only irons in the fire.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 24, 2026, 06:43:05 PMThat's fair on Wrightsil. But the thing that's perplexed me is: why did they decide to only not take D-1 transfers? They decided to take NAIA transfers, but not D-1. Where was the logic in that? That they won't expect to be front of the line?
I think what Shaka said has been misinterpreted. People took what he said as "between year 1 and 2 we made a singular decision to never take a D1 transfer again." My understanding of what he meant was that "After year 1, we repeatedly made a decision every offseason that we weren't going to take a D1 transfer that year." They looked at transfers every year, but ultimately decided not to pull the trigger on any of them. Shaka including the D1 as a qualifier wasn't part of his criteria for transfers, it's just an acknowledgement that he did take Wrightsil in year 2.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 24, 2026, 10:17:51 PMIf Nolan Minessale comes is he considered a nice piece, or a difference maker?
I would slot him as our second best player behind NJ. He's legit.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 24, 2026, 10:17:51 PMIf Nolan Minessale comes is he considered a nice piece, or a difference maker?
He's local so I assume some on here have seen him enough in HS or at St Thomas to take a guess at projecting his BE contribution?
I watched St Thomas once and he did not stand out, but very limited sample size so I can't contribute.
Would it be a plays at the same time as Nigel and Adrien or spells them off the bench situation?
He's a solid player and if he can develop a reliable 3 point shot, look out.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 24, 2026, 10:17:51 PMIf Nolan Minessale comes is he considered a nice piece, or a difference maker?
I'd go with a potential needed piece, but also potential difference maker. #noncommittal
For me, important is that he can be a higher usage guy - usage was 31.6% this year in Shots Paul. If he landed around 26-28% with a monster free throw rate and his usual strong performance shooting 2's, great. Add in 3's (shot only 30% this season) at a decent clip, and his ability to help throughout (passing, d-rebounding, steals) and the potential for him being a very important piece is there.
He's a little bit higher (15%) on his non-ATR 2FGAs than MU - so that may make some weirdos on here happy. Not sure how that'll play out. But, kid is tough and can get to the rim.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 25, 2026, 12:57:34 AMI would slot him as our second best player behind NJ. He's legit.
BPR loves Minessale. +4.98 (#231 nationally) while Nigel James is +4.97 (#234 nationally).
I'm not sure how BPR translates between mid-major and high-major conferences, but the analytics look encouraging.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 08:22:08 PMYour entire comment was right-on, but the part I highlighted is what so many are ignoring.
It would be beyond stunning if Shaka ejected 6-7 players. I get that some Scoopers want that, but hey, I want store-brand ice cream to taste like Leon's butter pecan. I'm just realistic enough to know it's not gonna happen.
one helluva analogy, 82!
Quote from: DoctorV on March 24, 2026, 10:17:51 PMIf Nolan Minessale comes is he considered a nice piece, or a difference maker?
He's local so I assume some on here have seen him enough in HS or at St Thomas to take a guess at projecting his BE contribution?
I watched St Thomas once and he did not stand out, but very limited sample size so I can't contribute.
Would it be a plays at the same time as Nigel and Adrien or spells them off the bench situation?
playing with a PG such as James, I think Minessale will be very good. But, if starting James, Stevens and Minessale, a legit 5 is must get.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 25, 2026, 12:49:18 AMI've seen you post the 3/3 on transfers line before. I understand what you are saying but I don't think it's a correct description of the situation.
I tend to put players into tiers when I'm thinking about roster building. If you're going to be competing for an at large bid, you should have at least 8 players you can count on. 1+ stud, 2+ above average starters, 3+ starter level players, and 2+ bench players who aren't liabilities on the floor.
I believe you are fan of BPR, so I'll use that to define my tiers:
Tier 1 (Studs): 6.5 BPR or higher
Tier 2 (Above Average Starters): 4.75-6.5 BPR
Tier 3 (Starter Level Players): 3-4.75 BPR
Tier 4 (Non-Liability Bench Players): 1.5-3 BPR
I feel comfortable saying we have a stud in NJ. Tier 1 is covered.
I feel comfortable saying we have two Tier 3 players in Royce and Adrien. I also don't think it's unreasonable to believe that one or both could be a Tier 2 player next season. So 2/5 of Tier 2/3 is covered.
Tier 4, I'm confident that if we address Tiers 2 and 3, we will find two players who can cover that last Tier.
So you're right, we need 3 players to cover our gaps in Tiers 2/3. But we don't need to go 3/3 in transfers. We need 3 of the 12 scholarships we have left after the Big 3 to turn into Tier 2/3 players. Transfers are certainly a way to do it. Arguably it's the method with the highest likelihood of success. However, I think it would be a mistake to completely dismiss HS recruits and development from returning players.
Last year's freshman class included a Tier 2 player (NJ) and a Tier 3 player (Adrien). Next year's crop of 3 redshirt freshmen and 2 true freshmen could have a similar yield. Phillips could take a jump. I know you will disagree, but I think Owens has potential to be a Tier 3 player next season. I'm certainly not banking on it, but hoop explorer likes his defense a lot more than BPR does. My eye test says Hoop Explorer is more accurate in this case, but we will certainly see. Caedin could ...okay that's a probably a bridge too far.
I think 3 transfers in sounds about right. But those won't be the only irons in the fire.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 25, 2026, 08:32:13 AMBPR loves Minessale. +4.98 (#231 nationally) while Nigel James is +4.97 (#234 nationally).
I'm not sure how BPR translates between mid-major and high-major conferences, but the analytics look encouraging.
According to this and your criteria NJ is an above average starter.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2026, 09:00:15 AMAccording to this and your criteria NJ is an above average starter.
I think you could infer that a true freshman point guard sitting at 5 BPR would presumably improve those numbers in the coming seasons.
I think you only bring in Nolan Minessale if he can be a reliable backup PG. I don't see him as a reliable "3 and D" contributor. I know he's a great finisher at the mid major level. But how good is he going to be when rim protectors like Oswin or Vince Iwuchukwu or whatever lumberjack Wisconsin has are thrown at him?
If he can spot Nigel and Adrien's minutes while slotting over to SF at times, then that's really valuable. If he'll just be a wing, then I'd rather use the $$ on a big-time center and proper backup PG while counting on DO, Phillips, Nash, Ian, and Alex to cover SF.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 25, 2026, 09:07:37 AMI think you only bring in Nolan Minessale if he can be a reliable backup PG. I don't see him as a reliable "3 and D" contributor. I know he's a great finisher at the mid major level. But how good is he going to be when rim protectors like Oswin or Vince Iwuchukwu or whatever lumberjack Wisconsin has are thrown at him?
If he can spot Nigel and Adrien's minutes while slotting over to SF at times, then that's really valuable. If he'll just be a wing, then I'd rather use the $$ on a big-time center and proper backup PG while counting on DO, Phillips, Nash, Ian, and Alex to cover SF.
Well he's neither of those things, so that's good.
I'd definitely take Minessale, but he'd be just one of multiple pieces that need to be added. Let's see how things play out.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 25, 2026, 09:06:15 AMI think you could infer that a true freshman point guard sitting at 5 BPR would presumably improve those numbers in the coming seasons.
The numbers are what they are, no?
In fact he is making the case as of now we have no studs.
Betting on guys who are really good as freshman to keep improving, at least a little bit, is about the safest bet there is.
Betting on guys who are terrible and cant see the floor early, much riskier (see Caedin Hamilton).
For the record, I do have concerns that Nigel will see a big jump. #pray
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 25, 2026, 12:57:34 AMI would slot him as our second best player behind NJ. He's legit.
Glad to hear you have high hopes.
I'm sure there's always concern when someone levels up, but are you concerned at all that his scoring ability/craftiness will be muted amongst stiffer competition in the substantially more athletic BE?
Question is for JayBee and any others with input too.
From clips I've seen he seems athletic enough but I'm not sure how it'll translate, seems to have some crafty/old man rec game to him, which isn't a slight.
Vision and feel for the game seem good.
Hard to judge how that would all play against the faster and more athletic P5 competition
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 25, 2026, 09:27:22 AMFor the record, I do have concerns that Nigel will see a big jump. #pray
I'm concerned that his outside shooting could regress because I don't love the look of the shot, and we've seen it happen at Marquette on several occasions by much better shooters...
However, I'm not concerned in the least that even if it does regress, he will find other ways to score and impact winning.
Dude is a baller, and ballers ball.
He will find ways to get better and better year after year even if the outside shot runs hot and cold imo
Quote from: DoctorV on March 25, 2026, 09:32:43 AMI'm concerned that his outside shooting could regress because I don't love the look of the shot, and we've seen it happen at Marquette on several occasions by much better shooters...
However, I'm not concerned in the least that even if it does regress, he will find other ways to score and impact winning.
Dude is a baller, and ballers ball.
He will find ways to get better and better year after year even if the outside shot runs hot and cold imo
At least we know statistically he is better than the guy we know who has left and could fill that spot.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 25, 2026, 09:30:14 AMGlad to hear you have high hopes.
I'm sure there's always concern when someone levels up, but are you concerned at all that his scoring ability/craftiness will be muted amongst stiffer competition in the substantially more athletic BE?
Question is for JayBee and any others with input too.
From clips I've seen he seems athletic enough but I'm not sure how it'll translate, seems to have some crafty/old man rec game to him, which isn't a slight.
Vision and feel for the game seem good.
Hard to judge how that would all play against the faster and more athletic P5 competition
Kam, Tyler, Stevie all were below the rim finishers relying on good touch/craftiness. Minessale is a much better athlete than all of them. Im not concerned.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2026, 09:00:15 AMAccording to this and your criteria NJ is an above average starter.
...That's the numbers this season. I'm projecting to next season.
NJ didn't really take off until we got into conference play. If you look at just his conference play numbers, he's already a Tier 1 player. And no, that's not because the Big East was down this season. The numbers I'm looking at adjust for quality of competition. I also think that with better teammates around him, he will be even more efficient.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 25, 2026, 12:49:18 AMI think Owens has potential to be a Tier 3 player next season.
I acknowledge most of what you are saying.
This is the part I just blatantly disagree with this part. Viewing Owens this highly just isn't living within reality. Owens was worse this year than Zaide was in 2024-25.
Owens is good in transition, he is good at cutting off ball (which has more to do with Nigel James), and he played better defensively at the end of the year to clear the bar of NCAA average.
Now the negatives he is a below average perimiter shooter who does it frequently. 47.4 eFG%. (was 27% last year). 0.73 ppp on perimiter shooting via hoop ex. 7th percentile. He is bad at attacking and kicking. 0.89 ppp. 34th percentile.
He does both of these things poorly and frequently when he is on the court.
He has a loose handle. A high turnover rate for his role. He is a below average rebounder for his height. He is below average steals/blocks guy for his length.
As for the notion that Hoop Explorer likes his defense. Kinda. Not really. Maybe if you make a filter to overate the last few games of the season which included providence quitting after their coach was fired.
Season long Defensive RAPM (lower is better)
Adrien Stevens: -2.3
Caedin Hamilton: -2.2
Chase Ross: -2.0
Nigel James: -1.1
Damarius Owens: -0.7
Royce Parham: -0.5
Ben Gold: -0.5
We are also conviently ignoring how much more Hoop Ex hates his offense?
Season long Offensive RAPM
Royce Parham: 2.1
Nigel James: 1.7
Adrien Stevens: 1.3
Ben Gold: 0.3
Chase Ross: -0.1
Damarius Owens: -0.3
Caedin Hamilton: -1.0
Walker, Pearson, and even Phillips have more upside than him.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 25, 2026, 10:09:32 AM...That's the numbers this season. I'm projecting to next season.
NJ didn't really take off until we got into conference play. If you look at just his conference play numbers, he's already a Tier 1 player. And no, that's not because the Big East was down this season. The numbers I'm looking at adjust for quality of competition. I also think that with better teammates around him, he will be even more efficient.
Thanks for the clarification.
Great analysis, I am not high on Owens either, shot is bad, no mid range game, not physical. But great athlete, needs a good big man which might help him
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 25, 2026, 10:24:28 AMGreat analysis, I am not high on Owens either, shot is bad, no mid range game, not physical. But great athlete, needs a good big man which might help him
Owens has potential because he's a great athlete. To date, he's been soft and hasn't demonstrated a very high hoops IQ. Maybe those can improve but I am skeptical as well. Hope I'm wrong. Frankly, MU needs more guys who know how to play. Kam, TKO, and Stevie weren't great athletes, but they knew how to play. NJ and Stevens have shown promise in that regard and Parham is improving.
MU needs another scorer on the court, doubt it will come from the center position, need either a backup guard or a veteran small forward to be that person. Not sold on any of the small forwards o. Paper right now, hope I am wrong
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 25, 2026, 09:27:22 AMFor the record, I do have concerns that Nigel will see a big jump. #pray
Nigel's good enough, how much upside is there? He can always work to improve his 3's but the biggest chance for upside from NJJ is to cut down on the TO's and stay in control. I'm optimistic with regard to both.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 25, 2026, 10:17:08 AMI acknowledge most of what you are saying.
This is the part I just blatantly disagree with this part. Viewing Owens this highly just isn't living within reality.
Well as I said, I just see potential and am not banking on it. I wouldn't say that's viewing Owens highly. Just acknowledging that it's not impossible for a player to take a big jump from one year to the next.
As for the bit about his offense, I mentioned in another post that I prefer PRPG! for offense and Adj Box Rating for defense. PRPG! doesn't love DO's offense either, but it did show some signs of life in conference play.
I love numbers too. Because of the numbers I don't expect DO to be more than a Tier 4 player next season. But I recognize that there are always players who defy the numbers every year and in both positive and negative ways.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 25, 2026, 10:17:08 AMOwens is good in transition
DO is good in transition only if someone else is running the break - if he brings it down bad things happen.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 25, 2026, 10:48:50 AMDO is good in transition only if someone else is running the break - if he brings it down bad things happen.
No, I'll be generous to Owens on this. He is good in transition.
Marquette players in transition on HoopEx.
Adrien Stevens 1.45 ppp 17.1/100 frequency
Damarius Owens 1.37 ppp 18.8/100 frequency
Ben Gold 1.23 ppp 12.8/100 frequency
Royce Parham 1.23 ppp 8.7/100 frequency
Caedin Hamilton 1.17 ppp 7.8/100 frequency
Nigel James 1.16 ppp 16.1/100 frequency
Chase Ross 1.12 ppp 18.1/100 frequency
As for everything else with his game. Not the biggest fan clearly.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 25, 2026, 10:47:23 AMWell as I said, I just see potential and am not banking on it. I wouldn't say that's viewing Owens highly. Just acknowledging that it's not impossible for a player to take a big jump from one year to the next.
As for the bit about his offense, I mentioned in another post that I prefer PRPG! for offense and Adj Box Rating for defense. PRPG! doesn't love DO's offense either, but it did show some signs of life in conference play.
I love numbers too. Because of the numbers I don't expect DO to be more than a Tier 4 player next season. But I recognize that there are always players who defy the numbers every year and in both positive and negative ways.
Yeah, this is how I see DO.
I think there's maybe a 25% chance he puts it all together, but if he does, he can be an effective player for MU.
I don't see that kind of plausible outcome for many of the other returning players on MU's roster outside the top 3 and maybe Phillips, which is why I have no problem with him sticking around and seeing what happens.
People are super down on Damarius and I understand it. His athleticism is so impressive that his on-court production is bound to underwhelm. There is no reason not to expect a big leap from Michael Phillips (who should have been in HS this past season), but Damarius really needs to put it together this offseason for it to finally click. If he's healthy, we should see the progression we hoped for in 2025 and a starting-level wing. He needs to reign in his turnovers and tighten up that high dribble. Him slashing inside for a hook shot worked well at times, but that could really become his bread and butter next season.
I think this is a fair question, but are scoopers high on Nolan Minessale just because he's from Wisconsin? As a Chicagoan, I really don't care where MU players are from so long as they get buckets and play good defense.
I actually like how many of our guys are from the East coast because it helps them fit with the Big East, but it's not that big of a deal to me. I also like how we lose Big Kiwi Ben Gold and replace him with Aussie Nash Walker. It'd be cool to have a talent pipeline from that part of the world, especially if they have badass names...
Agree with Pak and TAMU about D.O.
Great athlete, has potential to improve, nothing close to guaranteed.
Absolutely glad he's sticking around. As unreliable as he was this past season, he influenced victories in a few games, most notably the home win over Providence. Best-case scenario for next season is that he becomes a valuable part of the rotation; worst-case is that he's a deep-depth piece who is not in the rotation.
As for Minessale, the one time I saw him on TV, I was quite unimpressed. But I'll defer to those who have seen him more; if we land him as one of at least 3 transfers, I'll look at it as a good thing.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 25, 2026, 11:20:52 AMI think this is a fair question, but are scoopers high on Nolan Minessale just because he's from Wisconsin? As a Chicagoan, I really don't care where MU players are from so long as they get buckets and play good defense.
I actually like how many of our guys are from the East coast because it helps them fit with the Big East, but it's not that big of a deal to me. I also like how we lose Big Kiwi Ben Gold and replace him with Aussie Nash Walker. It'd be cool to have a talent pipeline from that part of the world, especially if they have badass names...
NM gets talked about a lot because multiple sources (including one of mine) have indicated that there is a very good chance he comes to MU. It was described to me (by a local HS basketball coach with connections) as a when not an if.
Is he the best player that will be in the portal, no. But he is one we feel reasonably confident in landing.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 25, 2026, 11:20:52 AMI think this is a fair question, but are scoopers high on Nolan Minessale just because he's from Wisconsin? As a Chicagoan, I really don't care where MU players are from so long as they get buckets and play good defense.
I actually like how many of our guys are from the East coast because it helps them fit with the Big East, but it's not that big of a deal to me. I also like how we lose Big Kiwi Ben Gold and replace him with Aussie Nash Walker. It'd be cool to have a talent pipeline from that part of the world, especially if they have badass names...
Because he played for a juggernaut and is a traditional
I would like Shaka to target this player in the portal, just for Willie's sake.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701223/ben-callahan-gold (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701223/ben-callahan-gold)
Anyone have thoughts about the former 4 star 6'11 guy that is leaving ND after two years?
His numbers are kind of... bad, but I know nothing about him.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 12:57:19 PMAnyone have thoughts about the former 4 star 6'11 guy that is leaving ND after two years?
His numbers are kind of... bad, but I know nothing about him.
MU really needs to spring for someone that's as close to a sure thing as possible. Some big holes to fill.
My initial thought has been that Hamilton needs to go but it also wouldn't hurt to have him fill in and have another big even with Clark and Sheek. His minutes would have to be lower than them to be used more in defensive situations as long as he's ok with that. Otherwise he's gotta go if he's thinking big minutes.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 25, 2026, 01:53:21 PMMy initial thought has been that Hamilton needs to go but it also wouldn't hurt to have him fill in and have another big even with Clark and Sheek. His minutes would have to be lower than them to be used more in defensive situations as long as he's ok with that. Otherwise he's gotta go if he's thinking big minutes.
Hamilton has no "stones" for the Big East....
When I saw him veer away in that Xavier game and let James do the "contest" on a partial break-away lay up....(cost James playing time in the first half,,,,two fouls)
He should have laid the "wood"....Including a possible Flagrant foul. Because that is what he is here for....Nothing else....Part of his position is to "send messages"....
Let alone his and Tre's -17 on the plus/minus for 5 minutes of play for Tre and 8 for Hamilton.....They were unplayable against one of the weakest teams in the league...
A very weak disposition...
Not a competitive person in our league....And with the physicality of some of these teams that are left....Not competitive in the field of 68 either.....
Don't let the door "hit you"....
Quote from: barfolomew on March 25, 2026, 12:46:56 PMI would like Shaka to target this player in the portal, just for Willie's sake.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701223/ben-callahan-gold (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701223/ben-callahan-gold)
Can't we get a 7 footer from Serbia or Croatia. Maybe from Auckland, since we have already tried Australia and Kiwiland
If Hamilton is back, my question is why?
He will never be good enough to be a meaningful piece here. So why would he be back?
Just to be another big body in case depth is tested? That's fine. But if he's here because they think he can work his way into the rotation then we might have problems.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 01:54:31 PM$1.5 million would get us laughed at by his agent.
Why? I know NIL valuations aren't gospel, but heading into the 2025-2026 season, that would've been the 10th highest NIL valuation in the country. Veesar is good, he's not a top 10 player in the sport.
The amounts floated around that these players get is often vastly overinflated.
It will be interesting who shows up to the banquet. I am pretty sure 3 maybe 4 kids are gone
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2026, 02:07:00 PMCan't we get a 7 footer from Serbia or Croatia. Maybe from Auckland, since we have already tried Australia and Kiwiland
I heard they're trying to sign Jokic to a one year deal at Marquette for $1.50 and a bowl of RealChili.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 25, 2026, 02:11:11 PMIf Hamilton is back, my question is why?
He will never be good enough to be a meaningful piece here. So why would he be back?
Just to be another big body in case depth is tested? That's fine. But if he's here because they think he can work his way into the rotation then we might have problems.
Knows the players and the system. Seems to be a consummate team player. Seems well liked. Still a warm body that can chill since we have 15 ships. Only 10ish guys max should be playing.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2026, 02:07:00 PMCan't we get a 7 footer from Serbia or Croatia. Maybe from Auckland, since we have already tried Australia and Kiwiland
Willie, Auckland is located in Kiwiland north island and even has a nice Kiwi sanctuary.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 25, 2026, 02:11:11 PMIf Hamilton is back, my question is why?
He will never be good enough to be a meaningful piece here. So why would he be back?
Just to be another big body in case depth is tested? That's fine. But if he's here because they think he can work his way into the rotation then we might have problems.
Agree wholeheartedly
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 25, 2026, 02:25:20 PMAgree wholeheartedly
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 02:18:51 PMKnows the players and the system. Seems to be a consummate team player. Seems well liked. Still a warm body that can chill since we have 15 ships. Only 10ish guys max should be playing.
Don't want Hamilton taking any minutes from Pearson. MU needs a portal addition to start.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 25, 2026, 02:29:02 PMDon't want Hamilton taking any minutes from Pearson. MU needs a portal addition to start.
I want a hippopotamus for Christmas.
Only a hippopotamus will do.
Christian Hammond from Santa Clara in the portal. 39% from 3.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 02:33:25 PMI want a hippopotamus for Christmas.
Only a hippopotamus will do.
If you don't think MU could make better use of the scholarship, then you might have a point. I find it hard to believe they couldn't find a better player to fill that spot. Hamilton is not a BE-level player even as a rotational piece.
Quote from: withoutbias on March 25, 2026, 02:11:28 PMWhy? I know NIL valuations aren't gospel, but heading into the 2025-2026 season, that would've been the 10th highest NIL valuation in the country. Veesar is good, he's not a top 10 player in the sport.
The amounts floated around that these players get is often vastly overinflated.
Bigs command the most money in the Portal, and a big who puts up 16ppg and 8rpg is going to be as coveted as anyone in the Portal.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 25, 2026, 02:15:11 PMIt will be interesting who shows up to the banquet. I am pretty sure 3 maybe 4 kids are gone
Good. I hope they fail wherever they end up
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 25, 2026, 02:20:19 PMWillie, Auckland is located in Kiwiland north island and even has a nice Kiwi sanctuary.
Astonishing
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 25, 2026, 02:20:19 PMWillie, Auckland is located in Kiwiland north island and even has a nice Kiwi sanctuary.
Add that to the Willie Hall of Fame
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 25, 2026, 02:39:10 PMIf you don't think MU could make better use of the scholarship, then you might have a point. I find it hard to believe they couldn't find a better player to fill that spot. Hamilton is not a BE-level player even as a rotational piece.
My point is that it isn't as easy at going to the store and picking a player from the shelf or a draft.
I've made the point before that of course we all want the best players, but that doesn't mean we get them.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 02:41:48 PMGood. I hope they fail wherever they end up
It's, um...interesting to have Rico back.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 02:18:51 PMKnows the players and the system. Seems to be a consummate team player. Seems well liked. Still a warm body that can chill since we have 15 ships. Only 10ish guys max should be playing.
I'm sure Shaka can find a likeable walk-on to do all these things.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 03:03:08 PMI'm sure Shaka can find a likeable walk-on to do all these things.
Have you met Marquette students?! Likable? That's a tall order.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 02:41:48 PMGood. I hope they fail wherever they end up
Especially Hamilton. Let's face it, he's pure evil.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 03:03:08 PMI'm sure Shaka can find a likeable walk-on to do all these things.
Yes, and his name might be Caedin Hamilton!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 02:46:19 PMMy point is that it isn't as easy at going to the store and picking a player from the shelf or a draft.
I've made the point before that of course we all want the best players, but that doesn't mean we get them.
I'm not being pedantic, but it actually will be that easy to improve the Hamilton roster spot. You could probably draw a random d1 player out of a hat and find more talent than him.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 25, 2026, 02:11:11 PMIf Hamilton is back, my question is why?
He will never be good enough to be a meaningful piece here. So why would he be back?
Just to be another big body in case depth is tested? That's fine. But if he's here because they think he can work his way into the rotation then we might have problems.
If he's back it will be because Shaka still thinks he has value. Frankly, he needs to go because Shaka can't be trusted with Caedin on the roster. He will talk himself into Caedin being a useful piece to start the season like he has the past two and the team will suffer for it.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 03:35:12 PMIf he's back it will be because Shaka still thinks he has value. Frankly, he needs to go because Shaka can't be trusted with Caedin on the roster. He will talk himself into Caedin being a useful piece to start the season like he has the past two and the team will suffer for it.
No he won't. In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.
We will bring in a big in the offseason, Sheek will be that person's backup, and Royce will move to the 5 when needed/matchup dependent as our 3rd option (rather than 2nd like this year) next season. If Caedin is on the roster, his minutes will all be garbage time.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 03:10:24 PMYes, and his name might be Caedin Hamilton!
Caedin ain't taking 10,000 hook shots for free.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 03:45:36 PMNo he won't. In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.
We will bring in a big in the offseason, Sheek will be that person's backup, and Royce will move to the 5 when needed/matchup dependent as our 3rd option (rather than 2nd like this year) next season. If Caedin is on the roster, his minutes will all be garbage time.
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Shaka looking at Caedin before next season starts
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 03:45:36 PMNo he won't. In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.
We will bring in a big in the offseason, Sheek will be that person's backup, and Royce will move to the 5 when needed/matchup dependent as our 3rd option (rather than 2nd like this year) next season. Whether Caedin is on the roster or not, his minutes will all be garbage time.
The staff leaked to Rothstein that Caedin was gonna be legit before last season. That didn't pan out, so he got stuffed on the bench.
The staff leaked the same thing to Rothstein this year. Shaka started him. Halfway through the year claimed he was the best defensive player on the team then stuffed him on the bench again.
I'd agree with you if Shaka hadn't talked himself into Caedin two years in a row. But he did. Time for him to go. Shaka's evaluation of him is bewildering and needs to be stopped.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 03:51:46 PMThe staff leaked to Rothstein that Caedin was gonna be legit before last season. That didn't pan out, so he got stuffed on the bench.
The staff leaked the same thing to Rothstein this year. Shaka started him. Halfway through the year claimed he was the best defensive player on the team then stuffed him on the bench again.
I'd agree with you if Shaka hadn't talked himself into Caedin two years in a row. But he did. Time for him to go. Shaka's evaluation of him is bewildering and needs to be stopped.
Caedin played 6 mpg as a freshman. Shaka then started him and played him 19 mpg the first 12 games of the season last year. The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg. In those 19 games, he played 10+ minutes in 8 of them. One was against Zuby in a game Ben didn't play, one was in a game Royce played 25 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls), one was against Zuby and Royce played 29 minutes because of fouls (4 fouls), one was a game where Royce didn't play, one was a 22 point win when we were curbstomping Providence from start to finish, and one was with Ben playing 15 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls).
Seems like Shaka realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes at this level. If he's around, he won't be playing meaningful minutes next year.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 03:53:27 PMCaedin played 6 mpg as a freshman. Shaka then started him and played him 19 mpg the first 12 games of the season last year. The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg.
Seems like Shaka realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes at this level. If he's around, he won't be playing meaningful minutes next year.
So he realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes his freshman year...but decided he deserved so this year? Those 12 games were pretty important. I don't get why seeing Shaka misevaluate him literally every year since he saw him play in high school isn't a concern.
I know I'm a broken record on this, but again, nobody ever claims Caedin is any good and it's maddening. If he's not any good then he should go! 9 minutes a game is nine too many.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 04:00:51 PMSo he realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes his freshman year...but decided he deserved so this year? Those 12 games were pretty important. I don't get why seeing Shaka misevaluate him literally every year since he saw him play in high school isn't a concern.
I know I'm a broken record on this, but again, nobody ever claims Caedin is any good and it's maddening. If he's not any good then he should go! 9 minutes a game is nine too many.
And that's 9 minutes per game where our only two bigs were Royce and Ben. Next year we'll have Royce, Sheek, and a transfer in front of him. He will not be playing any meaningful minutes.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 04:02:03 PMAnd that's 9 minutes per game where our only two bigs were Royce and Ben. Next year we'll have Royce, Sheek, and a transfer in front of him. He will not be playing any meaningful minutes.
Speculative so long as he's on the roster. But also, why are we carrying him and Clark then?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 04:03:52 PMSpeculative so long as he's on the roster. But also, why are we carrying him and Clark then?
EGBs bruv
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 04:03:52 PMSpeculative so long as he's on the roster. But also, why are we carrying him and Clark then?
15 guys cannot play meaningful minutes on a basketball team. If you're playing that many your team is utter trash anyway.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 04:13:01 PM15 guys cannot play meaningful minutes on a basketball team. If you're playing that many your team is utter trash anyway.
So use those scholarships on guys who aren't ready to contribute but may in the future.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 04:14:15 PMSo use those scholarships on guys who aren't ready to contribute but may in the future.
A lot of things sound easier than they are. Guys 12-15 on the roster have a slim chance of EVER playing meaningful minutes. IMO, they should be treated like walk-ons who now get scholarships.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 04:14:15 PMSo use those scholarships on guys who aren't ready to contribute but may in the future.
The guys you are whining about carrying are who you want to use scholarships on?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 04:15:45 PMA lot of things sound easier than they are. Guys 12-15 on the roster have a slim chance of EVER playing meaningful minutes. IMO, they should be treated like walk-ons who now get scholarships.
We know what Hamilton can offer/not offer. Back end roster players should be projects for the future not good luck charms. His spot needs to be vacated for a player who can help this team improve next season.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 04:15:45 PMA lot of things sound easier than they are. Guys 12-15 on the roster have a slim chance of EVER playing meaningful minutes. IMO, they should be treated like walk-ons who now get scholarships.
Okay, I'd be fine with that. But Caedin needs to go because Shaka has a serious blind spot when it comes to him. He's barely a D-1 recruit, probably not a D-1 bench player, and definitely not a D-1 starter. But Shaka has talked himself into all of those at a high major school.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 04:17:39 PMThe guys you are whining about carrying are who you want to use scholarships on?
What? They should use the scholarships on guys who can maybe contribute in the future. Do you think Caedin is one of those? Because your defense of him is that it's okay he's on the team cause he won't play.
Quote from: panda on March 25, 2026, 04:18:17 PMWe know what Hamilton can offer/not offer. Back end roster players should be projects for the future not good luck charms. His spot needs to be vacated for a player who can help this team improve next season.
I am absolutely fine with those 3 guys being high effort, character, culture guys and never seeing the floor.
Project players almost never work out anyway, and are more likely to simply transfer down in competition.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 04:22:21 PMI am absolutely fine with those 3 guys being high effort, character, culture guys and never seeing the floor.
Project players almost never work out anyway, and are more likely to simply transfer down in competition.
Project player are fine for roster spots 14/15 etc. Why are we keeping a failed project player? Cut bait and find another one.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 04:19:48 PMOkay, I'd be fine with that. But Caedin needs to go because Shaka has a serious blind spot when it comes to him. He's barely a D-1 recruit, probably not a D-1 bench player, and definitely not a D-1 starter. But Shaka has talked himself into all of those at a high major school.
Except Wades repeatedly showed you that blind spot did not exist in the last 2/3 of the season and you refuse to accept it.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 03:45:36 PMNo he won't. In the second half of the season, Caedin only played because we had 2 bigs that should've been on the floor in a Big East game last season on the entire roster, so when one of those two guys got in foul trouble we needed somebody to be on the court.
I wish that were true, but he often remained a normal piece of the rotation early on in games, getting normal first 10 minutes, regardless of any fouls by others. The staff made crazy effin choices with him in the second half of the season, just not as wild as the first half.
Can't believe how much Chris Grimm prevented Marquette from any kind of success in 2002-2003. Same with Derrick Wilson in 2012-2013.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 03:53:27 PMSeems like Shaka realized Caedin isn't good enough to play big minutes at this level. If he's around, he won't be playing meaningful minutes next year.
The confounding question here is why did it take 17 games as a starter, and three years behind the scenes, for Shaka to realize this? Many of us saw Caedin in limited minutes last year and thought "he ain't got it," but were willing to wait and see. But then five games into this season it was obvious to (almost) all of us that Caedin just isn't capable of playing at this level. Yet it took another dozen games for Shaka to come to this obvious conclusion.
Historically, Shaka has had a pretty good eye for talent. His repeated misevaluation of Hamilton is befuddling. And I don't trust that Shaka won't make the same mistake with this player.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 25, 2026, 04:27:12 PMI wish that were true, but he often remained a normal piece of the rotation early on in games, getting normal first 10 minutes, regardless of any fouls by others. The staff made crazy effin choices with him in the second half of the season, just not as wild as the first half.
Already addressed this, and it's pretty much #fakenews #lies.
The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg. In those 19 games, he played 10+ minutes in 8 of them. One was against Zuby in a game Ben didn't play, one was in a game Royce played 25 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls), one was against Zuby and Royce played 29 minutes because of fouls (4 fouls), one was a game where Royce didn't play, one was a 22 point win when we were curbstomping Providence from start to finish, and one was with Ben playing 15 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls).
So in 3 of the final 19 games he played 10+ minutes without any foul trouble or entire games being missed by Royce/Ben. One of those was a 22 point blowout, a second was exactly 10 minutes.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2026, 04:25:48 PMExcept Wades repeatedly showed you that blind spot did not exist in the last 2/3 of the season and you refuse to accept it.
And that blind spot did not exist the last portion of his freshman year either but came back his sophomore year.
He did this two years in a row. That's my point.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 04:28:25 PMAlready addressed this, and it's pretty much #fakenews #lies.
The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg. In those 19 games, he played 10+ minutes in 8 of them. One was against Zuby in a game Ben didn't play, one was in a game Royce played 25 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls), one was against Zuby and Royce played 29 minutes because of fouls (4 fouls), one was a game where Royce didn't play, one was a 22 point win when we were curbstomping Providence from start to finish, and one was with Ben playing 15 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls).
So in 3 of the final 19 games he played 10+ minutes without any foul trouble or entire games being missed by Royce/Ben. One of those was a 22 point blowout, a second was exactly 10 minutes.
10+ minutes isn't some magic figure that's being discussed.
As I said, the staff continued to put him in the regular rotation in the first quarter-frame of games. He was a 'regular' in that regard, and it was effin bizarre. Had zero to do with foul troubles of others.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 04:22:21 PMI am absolutely fine with those 3 guys being high effort, character, culture guys and never seeing the floor.
Project players almost never work out anyway, and are more likely to simply transfer down in competition.
Still no reason not to dump Hamilton and Clark. If Sean graduates and moves on that is 4 transfers that can help the team next season. Shaka can recruit one or two "culture" guys over the next few seasons but we need guys that can play now.
There is not one reason for Caedin Hamilton to be on this roster next season.
The goal is to be good and he takes us further away from that goal. This will be his 4th year in the program and he's terrible.
Wish him the best but he needs to be out.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 25, 2026, 05:56:11 PMThere is not one reason for Caedin Hamilton to be on this roster next season.
The goal is to be good and he takes us further away from that goal. This will be his 4th year in the program and he's terrible.
Wish him the best but he needs to be out.
Why do you wish him well?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 06:05:20 PMWhy do you wish him well?
Why are you posting here again?
Quote from: panda on March 25, 2026, 06:13:26 PMWhy are you posting here again?
Why are you posting here?
Quote from: panda on March 25, 2026, 06:13:26 PMWhy are you posting here again?
Funny coming from a guy who needed to make new usernames after multiple permabans.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 07:10:21 PMFunny coming from a guy who needed to make new usernames after multiple permabans.
No fighting. Let's all put our heads together and fix Marquette basketball
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 07:10:21 PMFunny coming from a guy who needed to make new usernames after multiple permabans.
Rich coming from the guy who couldn't stop crying about politics and got banned
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 07:12:55 PMNo fighting. Let's all put our heads together and fix Marquette basketball
How noble of you to take time away from crapposting on every thread to possibly talk about Marquette basketball.
Quote from: panda on March 25, 2026, 07:31:25 PMRich coming from the guy who couldn't stop crying about politics and got banned
Huh?
Quote from: panda on March 25, 2026, 07:36:31 PMHow noble of you to take time away from crapposting on every thread to possibly talk about Marquette basketball.
Thanks! Appreciate the support! Together, Marquette basketball can flourish.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 06:05:20 PMWhy do you wish him well?
This seems like it was written as a joke, but in this brave new world of NIL, I think it's a legit question. Caedin has probably made a couple hundred thousand dollars for being a terrible player at Marquette, in addition to the free education he's received. That's one hell of a gravy train, and he's off to a way better start than most people his age. If Shaka cuts him loose, my biggest question will be whether or not he let the door hit him where the good lord split him.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 25, 2026, 07:41:28 PMThis seems like it was written as a joke, but in this brave new world of NIL, I think it's a legit question. Caedin has probably made a couple hundred thousand dollars for being a terrible player at Marquette, in addition to the free education he's received. That's one hell of a gravy train, and he's off to a way better start than most people his age. If Shaka cuts him loose, my biggest question will be whether or not he let the door hit him where the good lord split him.
It's been an interesting thing through the years, how some transfers out of the program have been perceived, right or wrong. I don't think the new era changes those differing perception that much.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 25, 2026, 04:29:22 PMAnd that blind spot did not exist the last portion of his freshman year either but came back his sophomore year.
He did this two years in a row. That's my point.
And again, he barely played the last 2/3 of the season with only Ben and Royce ahead of him.
So do you really think he's going to somehow get the same amount of minutes or more next season behind a transfer 5, Royce, and Sheek?
Does not compute.
Look, I'd prefer the guy transfer but if we add 3 good players from the portal ans he's still on the roster that's not going to stop Marquette from being good next season.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2026, 07:50:03 PMAnd again, he barely played the last 2/3 of the season with only Ben and Royce ahead of him.
So do you really think he's going to somehow get the same amount of minutes or more next season behind a transfer 5, Royce, and Sheek?
Does not compute.
Look, I'd prefer the guy transfer but if we add 3 good players from the portal ans he's still on the roster that's not going to stop Marquette from being good next season.
Shaka has stuck with him for three years. He's played him much more than he should have at the beginning, then adjusted. For you and Wades to say 'he knows he stinks, he won't play him' is too speculative. Shaka shouldn't be in the transfer portal thinking, 'okay, player X and Caedin will...' Nope. Time to go. I like Shaka, but the first 1/3 is when the team was cut out of contention for the tournament and he had a lot to do with that. Did Chase and Ben not live up to expectations? Sure. But Caedin's play led to him playing minimum minutes by the end of the year. A 20 loss team needs to scrub a player like that from their roster, especially if he's in his third year.
Wouldn't it be better to use a roster spot on a player that has a reasonable chance to develop than on one who hasn't shown close to sufficient progression over the last 3 years?
Trilly's discord says MU and BYU are looking at this guy.
https://x.com/i/status/2036555338711777685
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2026, 10:06:38 PMTrilly's discord says MU and BYU are looking at this guy.
https://x.com/i/status/2036555338711777685
Appears he can shoot the 3 but that's about it. Underwhelming to say the least.
Remember the start of the season when Sean and Caedin started and/or got more minutes than Nigel and Royce. That was funny. On to 2026/27!
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 25, 2026, 11:04:23 PMAppears he can shoot the 3 but that's about it. Underwhelming to say the least.
Scoop all year: WE NEED TO RECRUIT SHOOTERS!
Scoop when it's reported we're interested in a shooter: All this guy can do is shoot. Hard pass!
Maybe the shooter on the team may take the summer off
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 25, 2026, 09:44:35 PMWouldn't it be better to use a roster spot on a player that has a reasonable chance to develop than on one who hasn't shown close to sufficient progression over the last 3 years?
Yes. And I'm not sure any Scooper is arguing differently.
What some are saying, however, is that if Player X happens to be the 15th man on the roster, it won't automatically doom the 2026-27 Marquette basketball team to failure.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 25, 2026, 11:04:23 PMAppears he can shoot the 3 but that's about it. Underwhelming to say the least.
Incredible.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 11:30:27 PMScoop all year: WE NEED TO RECRUIT SHOOTERS!
Scoop when it's reported we're interested in a shooter: All this guy can do is shoot. Hard pass!
This is exactly what I meant when I said I was excited to see how disappointed scoop was going to be with the transfers. Already paying dividends!
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 12:53:16 AMYes. And I'm not sure any Scooper is arguing differently.
What some are saying, however, is that if Player X happens to be the 15th man on the roster, it won't automatically doom the 2026-27 Marquette basketball team to failure.
Correct. Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 25, 2026, 11:04:23 PMAppears he can shoot the 3 but that's about it. Underwhelming to say the least.
Agreed. If we have the financial wherewithal we're hearing, a player who can't dribble, pass, or play a lick of defense isn't what we need. This guy isn't a Big East starter. He shot well last year but was mediocre at Wake and struggled getting inside. Davidson let him get inside but he didn't convert when he got there. There will be better options.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 12:53:16 AMYes. And I'm not sure any Scooper is arguing differently.
What some are saying, however, is that if Player X happens to be the 15th man on the roster, it won't automatically doom the 2026-27 Marquette basketball team to failure.
I agree that it wouldn't doom the season, but it would be poor roster management and poor roster management is what MU needs to remedy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2026, 07:10:43 AMAgreed. If we have the financial wherewithal we're hearing, a player who can't dribble, pass, or play a lick of defense isn't what we need. This guy isn't a Big East starter. He shot well last year but was mediocre at Wake and struggled getting inside. Davidson let him get inside but he didn't convert when he got there. There will be better options.
BYU definitely won't let him convert inside.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 26, 2026, 08:04:35 AMBYU definitely won't let him convert inside.
You ain't never heard of soaking?
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 12:53:16 AMYes. And I'm not sure any Scooper is arguing differently.
What some are saying, however, is that if Player X happens to be the 15th man on the roster, it won't automatically doom the 2026-27 Marquette basketball team to failure.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 07:26:21 AMI agree that it wouldn't doom the season, but it would be poor roster management and poor roster management is what MU needs to remedy.
I'm curious. Can you name a school who's 15th scholarship is going to a player as good as or better than Caedin?
I think you will find most schools either don't use their 15th scholarship or use it for walk on level players. A lot of schools do the same for their 13th and 14th scholarships as well. By your logic, most schools are engaging in poor roster management.
Caedin's presence on the roster was not the problem. The problem was how much he was utilized.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 26, 2026, 08:23:50 AMCaedin's presence on the roster was not the problem. The problem was how much he was utilized.
This is true. If he's really a great practice player -- and he's got size so I kind of like that from a scout team perspective (pawz) - no problem with him on the roster IF the staff stops with the nonsense. Can they? Dunno.
At this point, just need to find a couple more openings somewhere to fill in the potential 'regular rotation' and we're good.
Sadly, my 'goal' is that we at least look like a bubble team heading into the season.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 08:30:11 AMThis is true. If he's really a great practice player -- and he's got size so I kind of like that from a scout team perspective (pawz) - no problem with him on the roster IF the staff stops with the nonsense. Can they? Dunno.
At this point, just need to find a couple more openings somewhere to fill in the potential 'regular rotation' and we're good.
Sadly, my 'goal' is that we at least look like a bubble team heading into the season.
hey bee jay first time long time -
How many roster spots do you believe need to be turned over to get to the bubble team spot? Where do you see the growth occurring from returning players? How many players are needed if we want to look better than a bubble team? I understand it's hard to project some of this without knowing the players coming in, but you love things that are hard #pawz
I'll hang up and listen
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 08:30:11 AMThis is true. If he's really a great practice player -- and he's got size so I kind of like that from a scout team perspective
I had the same thought. I think there's value in having a guy who is actually the size of a high major center being on the scout team, rather than practicing against a 6'6 195 lb kid.
If we need the scholarship for a better player, then by all means cut him. But if we have other players leave and bring in enough transfers to meet our goals next year, I'm fine having him at the end of the bench.
Quote from: panda on March 26, 2026, 08:35:29 AMhey bee jay first time long time -
How many roster spots do you believe need to be turned over to get to the bubble team spot? Where do you see the growth occurring from returning players? How many players are needed if we want to look better than a bubble team? I understand it's hard to project some of this without knowing the players coming in, but you love things that are hard #pawz
I'll hang up and listen
OK. Just thought through this and the roster and have concluded we have a lot of work and praying to do:
Need 3 additions from the portal. I would like a center, a big guard/wing (can play a tiny bit of point is a plus), and someone else. At least one has to be a guy who can carry heavy usage well on offense.
STARTERS:
Nigel - worried about his sophomore lift - really difficult for me to decide on where I'd project his 3FG% next season. If his usage dropped from 30.5% to say 27-28% and his ORtg grew to 110ish, great. I'm just searching for obvious areas he can improve statistically, and not finding them tbh.
Royce - he has to be really good. Would love for his d-reb to be good, but I can't project that. It was obvious in high school that he could be counted on to help on the o-boards, but would be weak early on the d-glass. Where does his usage land? Can he be good at say 24%? I think it requires 3FG% to be solid -- I think he has it in him (pawz) but still need to decide if I'd feel better projecting him at 31% or 36-38%. I don't know. But, higher usage while maintaining efficiency, better d-reb, and marked improvement on 3FG% would be amazing. Gonna be tough.
After that, I would have all other starting spots open.
Adrien - he shot quite well. I think his comps are maybe a bit difficult tbh. Came in grown for a frosh, and that's why I lean toward projecting his sophomore bump to be muted a bit. Can he solidly himself as a trustworthy marksman? Can he find a nice bump in FTrate? Not feeling super great on either, but they are possible and good paths to helping improve the team.
Damarius - he's still my guy pawz. Praying health and experience makes things click - super happy he's coming back, because he looks like a guy who could have gone MM, go crazy, and come back to a HM for senior year. As of now, he's an x-factor, but I hope we have others coming from the portal who are more of an x-factor.
MPII - love him, but needs tremendous growth defensively to be playable big minutes. I feel like he's a junior year arrival, but there's potential for a solid season in 2026-27.
Sheek - thinking he'll look great at times and like a RS Frosh at others. Need him to shine in games where it's needed as opposed to mostly against MM/LM. Holding out hope he's a revelation that catapults us out of the depths of the BEast. #pray
Everyone else.. just kinda hoping someone pops out -- could be one of the shooters who is so en fuego that we can't keep him off the floor. That would be cool.
From the portal.. if we got Minessale, a senior center and a shooter.. cool, let's try it out.
As the roster sits now, it's the same thing as last year -- struggling to find the higher usage guys on offense. Defensively, need to figure it out a lot sooner than we did this past season. Somewhere in the 40's for both Adj OE and Adj DE rankings and in the tourney I guess I could accept.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 26, 2026, 08:46:41 AMI'm fine having him at the end of the bench.
As long as that's where he stays. My worry is that Shaka seems oddly tempted to play him. All the metrics screamed that playing Caedin and Tre together was a killer, yet there we were in the Big East Tournament with both of them on the floor together again. It could be argued that the options weren't better, but there had to be ways to juggle that roster better and we generally saw it from late January on. If he's back, it pretty much needs to be strictly as a practice or break glass in case of emergency player.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 08:56:26 AMOK. Just thought through this and the roster and have concluded we have a lot of work and praying to do:
Need 3 additions from the portal. I would like a center, a big guard/wing (can play a tiny bit of point is a plus), and someone else. At least one has to be a guy who can carry heavy usage well on offense.
STARTERS:
Nigel - worried about his sophomore lift - really difficult for me to decide on where I'd project his 3FG% next season. If his usage dropped from 30.5% to say 27-28% and his ORtg grew to 110ish, great. I'm just searching for obvious areas he can improve statistically, and not finding them tbh.
Royce - he has to be really good. Would love for his d-reb to be good, but I can't project that. It was obvious in high school that he could be counted on to help on the o-boards, but would be weak early on the d-glass. Where does his usage land? Can he be good at say 24%? I think it requires 3FG% to be solid -- I think he has it in him (pawz) but still need to decide if I'd feel better projecting him at 31% or 36-38%. I don't know. But, higher usage while maintaining efficiency, better d-reb, and marked improvement on 3FG% would be amazing. Gonna be tough.
After that, I would have all other starting spots open.
Adrien - he shot quite well. I think his comps are maybe a bit difficult tbh. Came in grown for a frosh, and that's why I lean toward projecting his sophomore bump to be muted a bit. Can he solidly himself as a trustworthy marksman? Can he find a nice bump in FTrate? Not feeling super great on either, but they are possible and good paths to helping improve the team.
Damarius - he's still my guy pawz. Praying health and experience makes things click - super happy he's coming back, because he looks like a guy who could have gone MM, go crazy, and come back to a HM for senior year. As of now, he's an x-factor, but I hope we have others coming from the portal who are more of an x-factor.
MPII - love him, but needs tremendous growth defensively to be playable big minutes. I feel like he's a junior year arrival, but there's potential for a solid season in 2026-27.
Sheek - thinking he'll look great at times and like a RS Frosh at others. Need him to shine in games where it's needed as opposed to mostly against MM/LM. Holding out hope he's a revelation that catapults us out of the depths of the BEast. #pray
Everyone else.. just kinda hoping someone pops out -- could be one of the shooters who is so en fuego that we can't keep him off the floor. That would be cool.
From the portal.. if we got Minessale, a senior center and a shooter.. cool, let's try it out.
As the roster sits now, it's the same thing as last year -- struggling to find the higher usage guys on offense. Defensively, need to figure it out a lot sooner than we did this past season. Somewhere in the 40's for both Adj OE and Adj DE rankings and in the tourney I guess I could accept.
Thx - I'm strongly in the camp of more new bodies coming into a bad team, the better. But there is the unquantifiable roster chemistry question that comes into place bringing in many new bodies. Ultimately, winning cures the issue but we're digging ourselves out of a deep hole.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 26, 2026, 08:23:50 AMI'm curious. Can you name a school who's 15th scholarship is going to a player as good as or better than Caedin?
I think you will find most schools either don't use their 15th scholarship or use it for walk on level players. A lot of schools do the same for their 13th and 14th scholarships as well. By your logic, most schools are engaging in poor roster management.
Caedin's presence on the roster was not the problem. The problem was how much he was utilized.
As we have seen, Shaka likes to take flyers on players. Wouldn't the 14th and 15th spots be where you would want to take flyers? Hamilton was a flyer and we have had three years to see what Hamilton has. Wouldn't it make more sense to use his spot for a new freshman flyer? I saw several players in the state tournament that have a good chance to develop into better players than Hamilton that MU apparently hasn't prioritized. There are likely portal players that also would be worth a flyer. If a flyer doesn't work out, why should he take a roster spot for four years? When Itejere didn't work out, he left.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 08:56:26 AMOK. Just thought through this and the roster and have concluded we have a lot of work and praying to do:
Need 3 additions from the portal. I would like a center, a big guard/wing (can play a tiny bit of point is a plus), and someone else. At least one has to be a guy who can carry heavy usage well on offense.
STARTERS:
Nigel - worried about his sophomore lift - really difficult for me to decide on where I'd project his 3FG% next season. If his usage dropped from 30.5% to say 27-28% and his ORtg grew to 110ish, great. I'm just searching for obvious areas he can improve statistically, and not finding them tbh.
Royce - he has to be really good. Would love for his d-reb to be good, but I can't project that. It was obvious in high school that he could be counted on to help on the o-boards, but would be weak early on the d-glass. Where does his usage land? Can he be good at say 24%? I think it requires 3FG% to be solid -- I think he has it in him (pawz) but still need to decide if I'd feel better projecting him at 31% or 36-38%. I don't know. But, higher usage while maintaining efficiency, better d-reb, and marked improvement on 3FG% would be amazing. Gonna be tough.
After that, I would have all other starting spots open.
Adrien - he shot quite well. I think his comps are maybe a bit difficult tbh. Came in grown for a frosh, and that's why I lean toward projecting his sophomore bump to be muted a bit. Can he solidly himself as a trustworthy marksman? Can he find a nice bump in FTrate? Not feeling super great on either, but they are possible and good paths to helping improve the team.
Damarius - he's still my guy pawz. Praying health and experience makes things click - super happy he's coming back, because he looks like a guy who could have gone MM, go crazy, and come back to a HM for senior year. As of now, he's an x-factor, but I hope we have others coming from the portal who are more of an x-factor.
MPII - love him, but needs tremendous growth defensively to be playable big minutes. I feel like he's a junior year arrival, but there's potential for a solid season in 2026-27.
Sheek - thinking he'll look great at times and like a RS Frosh at others. Need him to shine in games where it's needed as opposed to mostly against MM/LM. Holding out hope he's a revelation that catapults us out of the depths of the BEast. #pray
Everyone else.. just kinda hoping someone pops out -- could be one of the shooters who is so en fuego that we can't keep him off the floor. That would be cool.
From the portal.. if we got Minessale, a senior center and a shooter.. cool, let's try it out.
As the roster sits now, it's the same thing as last year -- struggling to find the higher usage guys on offense. Defensively, need to figure it out a lot sooner than we did this past season. Somewhere in the 40's for both Adj OE and Adj DE rankings and in the tourney I guess I could accept.
Maybe I'm just too optimistic but I'm expecting more growth from Nigel, Royce, and Adrien.
With Nigel, I think the concerns about his 3pt% are fair. I'm expecting the most growth with him in regard to really controlling the game, reducing TOs, and making his teammates better.
Defensive rebounding and defense are certainly areas where Royce needs to improve. He improved so much offensively during conference play that I'm really intrigued with what he can be with another offseason of work and getting stronger.
With Adrien, I'm wondering if he will be able to create more off the dribble. He had some moments where he did during the season. I'd expect him to get better defensively as well. If we get a poor man's Stevie on defense but a better Stevie on offense that's a really good player.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 26, 2026, 08:23:50 AMI'm curious. Can you name a school who's 15th scholarship is going to a player as good as or better than Caedin?
I think you will find most schools either don't use their 15th scholarship or use it for walk on level players. A lot of schools do the same for their 13th and 14th scholarships as well. By your logic, most schools are engaging in poor roster management.
Caedin's presence on the roster was not the problem. The problem was how much he was utilized.
I don't think keeping Caedin around as this team's Jack Haley is a disaster, I just don't see the point.
I'd rather MU spend its resources on 11-12 guys who can help the team now or in the near future, rather than dilute those resources by paying 3-4 guys to serve as the equivalent of walk-ons.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 09:32:05 AMAs we have seen, Shaka likes to take flyers on players. Wouldn't the 14th and 15th spots be where you would want to take flyers? Hamilton was a flyer and we have had three years to see what Hamilton has. Wouldn't it make more sense to use his spot for a new freshman flyer? I saw several players in the state tournament that have a good chance to develop into better players than Hamilton that MU apparently hasn't prioritized. There are likely portal players that also would be worth a flyer. If a flyer doesn't work out, why should he take a roster spot for four years? When Itejere didn't work out, he left.
There are 15 scholarships. We only need 8 rotation players. That's 7 scholarships for players who we don't expect to be major contributors this season. We have plenty of room.
Also, not the point, but we could have used Itejere this year.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 09:37:21 AMI don't think keeping Caedin around as this team's Jack Haley isn't a disaster, I just don't see the point.
I'd rather MU spend its resources on 11-12 guys who can help the team now or in the near future, rather than dilute those resources by paying 3-4 guys to serve as the equivalent of walk-ons.
I'm confident the resources allotted to each player will be proportional to the value they bring.
But I do think what you're describing is why some programs with limited resources are choosing to only carrying 10 or 11 scholarship players.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 11:30:27 PMScoop all year: WE NEED TO RECRUIT SHOOTERS!
Scoop when it's reported we're interested in a shooter: All this guy can do is shoot. Hard pass!
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 02:51:09 AMIncredible.
Referencing a website of thousands as if its just one person with one voice, groundbreaking stuff.
Do one minute of research on this player. Just one! You might actually agree, in fact I'd be shocked if you didn't.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2026, 07:10:43 AMAgreed. If we have the financial wherewithal we're hearing, a player who can't dribble, pass, or play a lick of defense isn't what we need. This guy isn't a Big East starter. He shot well last year but was mediocre at Wake and struggled getting inside. Davidson let him get inside but he didn't convert when he got there. There will be better options.
Hey, someone actually did look into him, and guess what, they agree!!! Woah!
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 26, 2026, 09:51:28 AMDo one minute of research on this player. Just one! You might actually agree, in fact I'd be shocked if you didn't.
Oh I am absolutely not doing that.
If the plan is to just have Caedin/Clark be end of the bench scholarship cloggers for the next few years, then the additional open scholarships are more valuable especially if the NIL budget has increased as some have said. Even more so if our portal guys that replace Zaide, Tre, & Sean (assuming departures here) have multiple years of eligibility. Only bring them back if you think they can contribute next year. Maybe there would be room if all of the portal additions are seniors.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 09:55:23 AMOh I am absolutely not doing that.
Valuable contribution, as always!
The idea that if Caedin comes back Shaka will treat him as the 15th man is absurd. He went from starter to 10 MPG. That's not nothing. If a guy is going to go from 8th man to 15th in his fourth year, there's zero reason to bring him back.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 26, 2026, 09:43:26 AMThere are 15 scholarships. We only need 8 rotation players. That's 7 scholarships for players who we don't expect to be major contributors this season. We have plenty of room.
Also, not the point, but we could have used Itejere this year.
I get what you're saying, but MU is not building just for this season. They could use the spot for a player who could be a future contributor. From all indications, Hamilton won't be. It makes no sense to me to use a scholarship on a player that you don't expect to contribute during his entire four years at MU. They'd be better off keeping the scholarship open for an opportunity that might become available during the season. In any event, I won't belabor the point further.
Hm, trying to catch up and figured with so many new pages of content big things must have happened. Nope, just DO staying and lots of Caedin talk.
(And yes, I must be new here)
Hook shot practice started the day after the tournament loss
Really a lot of Hamilton PTSD around here still.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 10:08:56 AMI get what you're saying, but MU is not building just for this season. They could use the spot for a player who could be a future contributor. From all indications, Hamilton won't be. It makes no sense to me to use a scholarship on a player that you don't expect to contribute during his entire four years at MU. They'd be better off keeping the scholarship open for an opportunity that might become available during the season. In any event, I won't belabor the point further.
This will be an unpopular opinion, but what if there really is something different about the "culture" that Shaka is building at Marquette? Yes, this year was a dumpster fire and the constant harping on "RGV" - including to the point of selling merch - is tiresome. But, Shaka has done a pretty good job of retaining the talent that he wants to retain. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he's doing things a little differently - because this year it certainly isn't because the team was winning. Clearly he needs to make some changes to his approach and manage his roster through the portal -- definitely this year and likely in future years to some extent. He's indicated that he's willing to do so and we're all anxiously awaiting proof.
That's a long-winded set up to asking, what if keeping a kid like Hamilton on scholarship at the end of the bench
does help build for the future because it demonstrates a culture that could help us attract talent. The 13th - 15th scholarship players aren't going to contribute much - if anything - to the team on game day. So, what are they good for? As mentioned above, projects who might be future contributors. Maybe unique practice players who help prepare the rotation players. And maybe, they can be an example of a program's culture and values.
If No. 15 on the roster isn't going to contribute on the court on game day, I'm open to the thought that there can be value from that spot beyond potential as a "future contributor" (which likely won't pan out anyway). Hell, I'm a believer that Zach Wrightsil was a not insignificant contributor to the team's success in 2022-23 and I wouldn't have objected to having him stick around as No. 15 on the roster the following year.
What I hope will happen (as I've said in another thread): Shaka signs a solid 5 and then tells CH that he appreciates everything he's done but that he's not going to be part of the rotation next year and helps him find a program where he can contribute. But because I don't think that the last scholarship player on the bench is going to contribute to wins and losses during the season anyway, I'm not going to hate on Shaka if he sticks with a kid.
Very thoughtful post StillAWarrior. Thank you.
I have been a critic of what I regard as over-the-top RGV, and the merchandise-while meaningless in the big picture of MUBB- really annoys me as Middle Schoolish. But the points you have laid out reflect a very valid counter argument to scoopers like me.
Translation-I'm not buying everything you are selling, but I enjoy reading posts like this one.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2026, 11:07:11 AMThis will be an unpopular opinion, but what if there really is something different about the "culture" that Shaka is building at Marquette? Yes, this year was a dumpster fire and the constant harping on "RGV" - including to the point of selling merch - is tiresome. But, Shaka has done a pretty good job of retaining the talent that he wants to retain. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he's doing things a little differently - because this year it certainly isn't because the team was winning. Clearly he needs to make some changes to his approach and manage his roster through the portal -- definitely this year and likely in future years to some extent.
Just like in the workplace, if employees are happy and feel like they are being compensated fairly, they will rarely leave for salary reasons. (Unless they are insanely different of course.)
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 26, 2026, 11:21:21 AMVery thoughtful post StillAWarrior. Thank you.
I have been a critic of what I regard as over-the-top RGV, and the merchandise-while meaningless in the big picture of MUBB- really annoys me as Middle Schoolish. But the points you have laid out reflect a very valid counter argument to scoopers like me.
Translation-I'm not buying everything you are selling, but I enjoy reading posts like this one.
Well, one thing I'm
not buying is the RGV merch. I've carefully avoided Golden Eagles merch for 30+ years, but I'd buy
that before I'd buy an RGV shirt.
I'm aware that one flaw in what I'm "selling" is the very real possibility that 2, 3, 4 or even more players might covet that 15th scholarship spot. There's definitely a hard cap on the number of players that can be carried on a roster whose sole contribution is embodiment of culture and values. At some point, mistakes must be acknowledged and hard decisions must be made. That's why they pay head coaches the big bucks.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 26, 2026, 10:04:21 AMThe idea that if Caedin comes back Shaka will treat him as the 15th man is absurd. He went from starter to 10 MPG. That's not nothing. If a guy is going to go from 8th man to 15th in his fourth year, there's zero reason to bring him back.
He's not going to be end of the bench. Caedin will probably still play 5-10 minutes a game, and I'm ok with that provided he is used to absorb some fouls, clog the lane, and let whoever our starting center is get some rest. I just don't think he should come anywhere close to starting
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 09:32:05 AMAs we have seen, Shaka likes to take flyers on players. Wouldn't the 14th and 15th spots be where you would want to take flyers? Hamilton was a flyer and we have had three years to see what Hamilton has. Wouldn't it make more sense to use his spot for a new freshman flyer? I saw several players in the state tournament that have a good chance to develop into better players than Hamilton that MU apparently hasn't prioritized. There are likely portal players that also would be worth a flyer. If a flyer doesn't work out, why should he take a roster spot for four years? When Itejere didn't work out, he left.
Do we never need 15 on the roster?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2026, 11:07:11 AMThis will be an unpopular opinion, but what if there really is something different about the "culture" that Shaka is building at Marquette? Yes, this year was a dumpster fire and the constant harping on "RGV" - including to the point of selling merch - is tiresome. But, Shaka has done a pretty good job of retaining the talent that he wants to retain. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he's doing things a little differently - because this year it certainly isn't because the team was winning. Clearly he needs to make some changes to his approach and manage his roster through the portal -- definitely this year and likely in future years to some extent. He's indicated that he's willing to do so and we're all anxiously awaiting proof.
That's a long-winded set up to asking, what if keeping a kid like Hamilton on scholarship at the end of the bench does help build for the future because it demonstrates a culture that could help us attract talent. The 13th - 15th scholarship players aren't going to contribute much - if anything - to the team on game day. So, what are they good for? As mentioned above, projects who might be future contributors. Maybe unique practice players who help prepare the rotation players. And maybe, they can be an example of a program's culture and values.
If No. 15 on the roster isn't going to contribute on the court on game day, I'm open to the thought that there can be value from that spot beyond potential as a "future contributor" (which likely won't pan out anyway). Hell, I'm a believer that Zach Wrightsil was a not insignificant contributor to the team's success in 2022-23 and I wouldn't have objected to having him stick around as No. 15 on the roster the following year.
What I hope will happen (as I've said in another thread): Shaka signs a solid 5 and then tells CH that he appreciates everything he's done but that he's not going to be part of the rotation next year and helps him find a program where he can contribute. But because I don't think that the last scholarship player on the bench is going to contribute to wins and losses during the season anyway, I'm not going to hate on Shaka if he sticks with a kid.
The problem is we need help now. Shaka can take a flyer on a No. 15 kid down the road and no one even me will complain.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 26, 2026, 12:20:09 PMThe problem is we need help now. Shaka can take a flyer on a No. 15 kid down the road and no one even me will complain.
Sure, Jan
You do not need 15 kids on your roster, 4 or 5 kids that do not play can save MU a million dollars to give to let's say Nigel James. I see a 12 man roster next year. Shaka is very competitive person, he made a big mistake last year thinking his roster was good enough, realized now he has to change with the times.
4 players signed for next year, the 5 freshman, Phillips and 2 transfers.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 12:31:06 PMYou do not need 15 kids on your roster, 4 or 5 kids that do not play can save MU a million dollars to give to let's say Nigel James. I see a 12 man roster next year. Shaka is very competitive person, he made a big mistake last year thinking his roster was good enough, realized now he has to change with the times.
4 players signed for next year, the 5 freshman, Phillips and 2 transfers.
Source?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 12:31:06 PMYou do not need 15 kids on your roster, 4 or 5 kids that do not play can save MU a million dollars to give to let's say Nigel James. I see a 12 man roster next year. Shaka is very competitive person, he made a big mistake last year thinking his roster was good enough, realized now he has to change with the times.
4 players signed for next year, the 5 freshman, Phillips and 2 transfers.
12 man roster.......would you like to wager? I'll take over 12......you get 12 or under?
We can do it for charity ......
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2026, 11:38:36 AMWell, one thing I'm not buying is the RGV merch. I've carefully avoided Golden Eagles merch for 30+ years, but I'd buy that before I'd buy an RGV shirt. ;D ;D ;D Love it!
I'm aware that one flaw in what I'm "selling" is the very real possibility that 2, 3, 4 or even more players might covet that 15th scholarship spot. There's definitely a hard cap on the number of players that can be carried on a roster whose sole contribution is embodiment of culture and values. At some point, mistakes must be acknowledged and hard decisions must be made. That's why they pay head coaches the big bucks.
Damn, I'm agreeing with you even more. I
gotta stop doing that, because I have worked very hard on building a reputation for disagreeing with as many scoopers as possible. Crap like this will ruin my rep.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2026, 11:07:11 AMThis will be an unpopular opinion, but what if there really is something different about the "culture" that Shaka is building at Marquette? Yes, this year was a dumpster fire and the constant harping on "RGV" - including to the point of selling merch - is tiresome. But, Shaka has done a pretty good job of retaining the talent that he wants to retain. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he's doing things a little differently - because this year it certainly isn't because the team was winning. Clearly he needs to make some changes to his approach and manage his roster through the portal -- definitely this year and likely in future years to some extent. He's indicated that he's willing to do so and we're all anxiously awaiting proof.
That's a long-winded set up to asking, what if keeping a kid like Hamilton on scholarship at the end of the bench does help build for the future because it demonstrates a culture that could help us attract talent. The 13th - 15th scholarship players aren't going to contribute much - if anything - to the team on game day. So, what are they good for? As mentioned above, projects who might be future contributors. Maybe unique practice players who help prepare the rotation players. And maybe, they can be an example of a program's culture and values.
If No. 15 on the roster isn't going to contribute on the court on game day, I'm open to the thought that there can be value from that spot beyond potential as a "future contributor" (which likely won't pan out anyway). Hell, I'm a believer that Zach Wrightsil was a not insignificant contributor to the team's success in 2022-23 and I wouldn't have objected to having him stick around as No. 15 on the roster the following year.
What I hope will happen (as I've said in another thread): Shaka signs a solid 5 and then tells CH that he appreciates everything he's done but that he's not going to be part of the rotation next year and helps him find a program where he can contribute. But because I don't think that the last scholarship player on the bench is going to contribute to wins and losses during the season anyway, I'm not going to hate on Shaka if he sticks with a kid.
Outstanding post.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 12:31:06 PMYou do not need 15 kids on your roster, 4 or 5 kids that do not play can save MU a million dollars to give to let's say Nigel James. I see a 12 man roster next year. Shaka is very competitive person, he made a big mistake last year thinking his roster was good enough, realized now he has to change with the times.
4 players signed for next year, the 5 freshman, Phillips and 2 transfers.
They're definitely rolling out 2026-27 with more than 12 dudes. They're not losing 5-6 dudes then only adding 1 or 2. I think two players or three (AT MOST) leave, but I could really see only one leave while Shaka fills out the roster with a pair of portal additions. I'm not saying that carrying 15 dudes is efficient. But if the back 4 of that are younger guys or redshirts waiting patiently for their turn while improving (key word), then that isn't horrible.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 26, 2026, 12:20:09 PMThe problem is we need help now. Shaka can take a flyer on a No. 15 kid down the road and no one even me will complain.
I don't disagree. Shaka's job is Head Basketball Coach, not Head Culture Builder. To the extent that those two things are at odds, I 100% believe he must prioritize winning basketball games over creating a culture and "doing things differently." However, to the extent that he can do both, I personally really like the idea of Marquette doing things a little differently.
I suspect (i.e., really hope) we're going to get an infusion of at least three transfers. That would mean that at least two of the guys who have been discussed at length in this thread will need to move on. I'd love for that to be a mutual decision between the player(s) and the coaching staff. If enough players voluntarily leave to allow the coaching staff to bring in the number of transfers they think they need to bounce back next year, I have no problem if some remain on the end of the bench. If not, then ultimately the HBC is going to have to do his job.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 26, 2026, 11:07:11 AMThis will be an unpopular opinion, but what if there really is something different about the "culture" that Shaka is building at Marquette? Yes, this year was a dumpster fire and the constant harping on "RGV" - including to the point of selling merch - is tiresome. But, Shaka has done a pretty good job of retaining the talent that he wants to retain. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that he's doing things a little differently - because this year it certainly isn't because the team was winning. Clearly he needs to make some changes to his approach and manage his roster through the portal -- definitely this year and likely in future years to some extent. He's indicated that he's willing to do so and we're all anxiously awaiting proof.
That's a long-winded set up to asking, what if keeping a kid like Hamilton on scholarship at the end of the bench does help build for the future because it demonstrates a culture that could help us attract talent. The 13th - 15th scholarship players aren't going to contribute much - if anything - to the team on game day. So, what are they good for? As mentioned above, projects who might be future contributors. Maybe unique practice players who help prepare the rotation players. And maybe, they can be an example of a program's culture and values.
If No. 15 on the roster isn't going to contribute on the court on game day, I'm open to the thought that there can be value from that spot beyond potential as a "future contributor" (which likely won't pan out anyway). Hell, I'm a believer that Zach Wrightsil was a not insignificant contributor to the team's success in 2022-23 and I wouldn't have objected to having him stick around as No. 15 on the roster the following year.
What I hope will happen (as I've said in another thread): Shaka signs a solid 5 and then tells CH that he appreciates everything he's done but that he's not going to be part of the rotation next year and helps him find a program where he can contribute. But because I don't think that the last scholarship player on the bench is going to contribute to wins and losses during the season anyway, I'm not going to hate on Shaka if he sticks with a kid.
Quite true. I do think it could be wasteful to keep Caedin and Josh on the roster if you're planning for a frontcourt rotation of Royce, Sheek, and portal center. BUT it does set you up for 2017-28 with a frontcourt rotation of senior Royce, soph Sheek, senior Caedin, and junior Josh. All of those guys bring something different to the table, and at that point Josh/Caedin could have really put it together to become serviceable. If you look at all the dominant bigs around college hoops, you see a ton of RS juniors and seniors who are grown-ass men. Maybe that's the vision? You can't expect this squad to do much next year without that portal addition, though. And with the core coming back, we should be expecting MU to do a whole lot more than they did this past campaign.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:23:16 PM3 are gone for sure maybe 4
That does not answer the question.
Quote from: MuMark on March 26, 2026, 12:41:31 PM12 man roster.......would you like to wager? I'll take over 12......you get 12 or under?
We can do it for charity ......
If he keeps Clark might be 13, do not gamble.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:30:03 PMIf he keeps Clark might be 13, do not gamble.
Good, you'd be homeless.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 26, 2026, 01:24:38 PMThat does not answer the question.
Maybe a player, maybe an ex player, maybe a student, or possibly a donor. A donor more likely. I like to keep a source so will never say
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:34:13 PMMaybe a player, maybe an ex player, maybe a student, or possibly a donor. A donor more likely. I like to keep a source so will never say
So you have maybe a player, or an ex player or a student or a donor that knows that the bottom 4-5 players for MU make a million dollars? I find that hard to believe.
Add it up 200k a player, that's a million!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:38:47 PMAdd it up 200k a player, that's a million!
I'm aware of how math works, I very much doubt the numbers from this "source".
So what do you think St John's offered Nigel James? Or another school for next year?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:44:35 PMSo what do you think St John's offered Nigel James? Or another school for next year?
A great education
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:44:35 PMSo what do you think St John's offered Nigel James? Or another school for next year?
I have no idea. I also fail to see how an offer that may or may not have come Nigel's way has any effect on what the bottom 4-5 players are making.
You need money to pay the top kids who earned it! Why do most times not carry 15?
Teams
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:53:43 PMYou need money to pay the top kids who earned it! Why do most times not carry 15?
Why would you say this? Why do you think most teams (or times as you say) did not have 15 players on their roster? You are fake news.
So you're saying we're going to have 3 or 4 transfers out, but not add anyone? Thats the only way to get to your 12 man roster.
We're going to add multiple transfers so there will be at a minimum 14 guys on the roster.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 01:53:43 PMYou need money to pay the top kids who earned it! Why do most times not carry 15?
And we are paying them. I don't know if you noticed but NJ, AS, and RP all announced that they are coming back. That has nothing to do with your claim (that you still provide no evidence for) that the bottom 4-5 players are making a million dollars.
No If you go back I said at least 2 transfers in.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 26, 2026, 01:58:45 PMAnd we are paying them. I don't know if you noticed but NJ, AS, and RP all announced that they are coming back. That has nothing to do with your claim (that you still provide no evidence for) that the bottom 4-5 players are making a million dollars.
I said 4 or 5 players add up to a million
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 02:01:56 PMI said 4 or 5 players add up to a million
Yes. I understand that. Again. I can do the math.
I think your numbers are incredibly wrong, and any offer that NJ may or may not received is both irrelevant and does not change that.
Let's say MU spent 5 or 6M on players last year that is like 400k per player, they all got paid well
BC's idea of a fact = "uhh, let's say X happened.. then it all makes sense so yeah maybe that's what is going on."
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 02:07:52 PMLet's say MU spent 5 or 6M on players last year that is like 400k per player, they all got paid well
Source?
Also, not all players got paid the same. The bottom third of the roster (4-5 players out of 15) did not make 20% (1 mil out of 5, if we trust your numbers, which I do not) of the total budget. Being paid "well", and getting 200-250K are miles apart.
If Shaka only brings in 3, he'll have to hit on them all.
MU was a terrible shooting team. Even though MU ranked highly in shot quality, their 3pt% was ranked 289th and their 2pt% was 146th. Despite being a horrendous 3pt shooting team, MU ended the season 90th in 3pt attempts per game. That was down from 68th at the first of the year. In short, there was a big disconnect between how MU wanted to play and how they recruited.
MU was 320th in defensive rebounding percentage. MU was 215th in offensive rebounding percentage. It is fairly obvious that no returning players who were active this year could rebound and this was another major roster problem.
On defense, MU was 131st in opponent EFG%. That's one spot below Valpo. Frankly, I see no excuse for MU being that poor defensively coming into this season.
Those seem like some big issues to solve for MU to be a tournament team next season. Given how little development we saw out of returning players this year, I think MU needs to look primarily at newcomers to provide an upgrade.
Yes, they all do not get the same. Shaka believes you get paid for staying in the program, older you are the more you get. So what did you think the last 4 kids got then or the redshirt freshman?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 26, 2026, 01:46:40 PMI have no idea. I also fail to see how an offer that may or may not have come Nigel's way has any effect on what the bottom 4-5 players are making.
Agree. No way the bottom of the MU roster is getting paid $200k per kid. And if they are, no reason you need to offer them that amount the following season. Could offer zero and they can choose to transfer if they prefer.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 02:18:24 PMYes, they all do not get the same. Shaka believes you get paid for staying in the program, older you are the more you get. So what did you think the last 4 kids got then or the redshirt freshman?
Well the bottom 4 in minutes last year among scholarship players were three red shirt Freshman and a red shirt Sophomore, so I would imagine they were some of the lowest compensated players on the team. I would guess that Chase and Ben were the two highest.
I also don't think the formula is as simple as years in program = payout amount. I am very confident saying that Sophomore NJ will be the highest paid player next year, making more than upperclassmen.
The actual numbers, I have no idea of, but I won't pretend to have a source saying what they are while I make up numbers.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 02:16:26 PMGiven how little development we saw out of returning players this year
I understand your skepticism, however ...
Just because Lowery, Hamilton, Jones and Norman didn't improve, does that prevent James, Stevens, Parham, Owens and Phillips from improving?
Your assumption is the opposite of those who assumed that because Oso, Kolek, Kam, Jop and Stevie improved, it meant that Lowery, Hamilton, Jones and Norman would improve.
That was a fallacy, and your assumption could very well be a fallacy, too.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 04:02:04 PMI understand your skepticism, however ...
Just because Lowery, Hamilton, Jones and Norman didn't improve, does that prevent James, Stevens, Parham, Owens and Phillips from improving?
Your assumption is the opposite of those who assumed that because Oso, Kolek, Kam, Jop and Stevie improved, it meant that Lowery, Hamilton, Jones and Norman would improve.
That was a fallacy, and your assumption could very well be a fallacy, too.
In the of those who didn't improve, you can't squeeze juice from a rock.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 26, 2026, 04:04:55 PMIn the of those who didn't improve, you can't squeeze juice from a rock.
Yup. It's amazing that more talented players to begin with are more likely to improve.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 04:02:04 PMI understand your skepticism, however ...
Just because Lowery, Hamilton, Jones and Norman didn't improve, does that prevent James, Stevens, Parham, Owens and Phillips from improving?
Your assumption is the opposite of those who assumed that because Oso, Kolek, Kam, Jop and Stevie improved, it meant that Lowery, Hamilton, Jones and Norman would improve.
That was a fallacy, and your assumption could very well be a fallacy, too.
It could be, but can you count on that development? Owens did not improve from his freshman year and arguably regressed. During the first half of the season, Parham was worse than last year. During the second half of this season he seems to have shown some improvement over last year but I'm not sure it was a dramatic jump. James and Stevens might be the best players Shaka has recruited as freshman. How much better can James get? He can cut down on TOs but he'll need a much better supporting cast for that to happen IMO. Phillips has a chance to improve but he's still awfully thin at this stage. Frankly, all of these guys will need to improve just to replace Gold and Ross. Without a big contribution from newcomers, this does not look like a tournament contender to me. Shaka needs to have hit it with the redhirts, incoming freshmen, and/or portal players. Transfers seem like the safest bet.
If Shaka finds the right players, James should improve in areas other than scoring, more assists and less turnovers.
"They were getting ready to perform a little of the old in-out, in-out"
I think this idea of Nigel's turnovers going down has been brought up a million times by diff posters.
Would be cool, but I can't see it — 14% next year is as low as I could go at this point, but something similar to this year feels more likely and is fine
Perhaps the bottom 4 or 5 got $200k each, under RGV as BC said. However, if we are to believe 3 to 4 new transfer players getting paid plus more cash for NJ, royce, and Steven's. Then that $1mm for the bottom 4 to 5 likely gets allocated to other, higher performing players moving forward. We could also have fewer scholarship players on roster and use walkons. It's not too crazy.
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 26, 2026, 05:08:31 PMPerhaps the bottom 4 or 5 got $200k each, under RGV as BC said. However, if we are to believe 3 to 4 new transfer players getting paid plus more cash for NJ, royce, and Steven's. Then that $1mm for the bottom 4 to 5 likely gets allocated to other, higher performing players moving forward. We could also have fewer scholarship players on roster and use walkons. It's not too crazy.
It is crazy. Paying a guy $200k doesn't take away $200k from your top guys
If MU wants to get in the game there NLI money will have to up to 10-12M!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 05:55:57 PMIf MU wants to get in the game there NLI money will have to up to 10-12M!
*their
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 05:59:15 PM*their
(and NIL vs. NLI; and 'go' or something else needs to be added)
I heard Bill Murray's kid's only hesitation with the BC job is BCHoopster.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 06:02:35 PM(and NIL vs. NLI; and 'go' or something else needs to be added)
I heard Bill Murray's kid's only hesitation with the BC job is BCHoopster.
It's stands for been chillin not Boston college smh
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 04:18:57 PMIt could be, but can you count on that development? Owens did not improve from his freshman year and arguably regressed. During the first half of the season, Parham was worse than last year. During the second half of this season he seems to have shown some improvement over last year but I'm not sure it was a dramatic jump. James and Stevens might be the best players Shaka has recruited as freshman. How much better can James get? He can cut down on TOs but he'll need a much better supporting cast for that to happen IMO. Phillips has a chance to improve but he's still awfully thin at this stage. Frankly, all of these guys will need to improve just to replace Gold and Ross. Without a big contribution from newcomers, this does not look like a tournament contender to me. Shaka needs to have hit it with the redhirts, incoming freshmen, and/or portal players. Transfers seem like the safest bet.
You can't "count on" anything. Players might improve, might regress or might stay the same. That's life ... which, by the way, you can't count on, either.
Nobody - not one single Scooper - is saying we don't need to bring in talented transfers.
But you really don't think second half of this season Parham was much better than freshman Parham? You really think Owens regressed from freshman to sophomore year? OK ... I guess we were watching different games.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 02:16:26 PMIf Shaka only brings in 3, he'll have to hit on them all.
MU was a terrible shooting team. Even though MU ranked highly in shot quality, their 3pt% was ranked 289th and their 2pt% was 146th. Despite being a horrendous 3pt shooting team, MU ended the season 90th in 3pt attempts per game. That was down from 68th at the first of the year. In short, there was a big disconnect between how MU wanted to play and how they recruited.
MU was 320th in defensive rebounding percentage. MU was 215th in offensive rebounding percentage. It is fairly obvious that no returning players who were active this year could rebound and this was another major roster problem.
On defense, MU was 131st in opponent EFG%. That's one spot below Valpo. Frankly, I see no excuse for MU being that poor defensively coming into this season.
Those seem like some big issues to solve for MU to be a tournament team next season. Given how little development we saw out of returning players this year, I think MU needs to look primarily at newcomers to provide an upgrade.
Where did Ben and Chase rank in 3pt attempts and what were their percentages?
Just a few stats that I found:
Both Owens and Parham improved in offensive rating. Each had a worse defensive rating.
Owens' EFG% improved from just under 43% to just over 47%. Owens' TO% increased from 13.3% to 18.6%. His usage decreased from 17.6% to 16.8%. His rebounding percentage improved.
Parham's usage did increase from 19.6 to 20.1. His defensive rebounding percentage pretty much remained flat at 10%. His offensive rebounding percentage improved from 11.1% to 13.3%. His TO rate increased from 7.1 to 11.6. His EFG% increases from 49.4 to 58.4.
Yes, you're right, Parham improved, and by quite a bit.
Owens went from having almost no presence at all as a freshman to positively impacting a few wins this past season, especially the first one vs Providence. And as already has been pointed out, Owens' defense improved markedly as his soph season went on.
There's still plenty of room for both to get better, and here's hoping they do. They might not. But they might.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 26, 2026, 09:55:39 AMIf the plan is to just have Caedin/Clark be end of the bench scholarship cloggers for the next few years, then the additional open scholarships are more valuable especially if the NIL budget has increased as some have said. Even more so if our portal guys that replace Zaide, Tre, & Sean (assuming departures here) have multiple years of eligibility. Only bring them back if you think they can contribute next year. Maybe there would be room if all of the portal additions are seniors.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 05:55:57 PMIf MU wants to get in the game there NLI money will have to up to 10-12M!
Don't hold your breath on that number.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2026, 05:54:24 PMStill no reason not to dump Hamilton and Clark. If Sean graduates and moves on that is 4 transfers that can help the team next season. Shaka can recruit one or two "culture" guys over the next few seasons but we need guys that can play now.
I haven't seen it in this thread and I'd like you and others who believe in 3-4 transfers in the portal to take 200 game minutes and break it down with the players who you think should return, incoming high school recruits and transfers.
I looked at the 4 recruiting classes (2022-2025) for a school that has relied for years on retaining high school recruits for 4-5 years. In that 4 year span, they had 11 high school recruits and 11 from the portal. 8 players so far played out their eligibility and 9 have left. Of the 8 who played out their eligibility, I'm assuming 2 juniors from this year will remain for their senior years and I included them in the 8. That leaves 4 players who were freshman this year and it remains to be seen whether they stick it out as I expect the program to dip into the portal again this year for 3-4 players. They signed 2 2026 recruits with 1 possibly playing minutes, depending on the transfers they get.
It is a very fine line of adding players from the portal and whether you are going to supplement from the portal occasionally or if you are going to add multiple players every year and risk losing some players who could be starters as juniors or seniors because they feel they are being recruited over.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 27, 2026, 07:34:08 AMI haven't seen it in this thread and I'd like you and others who believe in 3-4 transfers in the portal to take 200 game minutes and break it down with the players who you think should return, incoming high school recruits and transfers.
I looked at the 4 recruiting classes (2022-2025) for a school that has relied for years on retaining high school recruits for 4-5 years. In that 4 year span, they had 11 high school recruits and 11 from the portal. 8 players so far played out their eligibility and 9 have left. Of the 8 who played out their eligibility, I'm assuming 2 juniors from this year will remain for their senior years and I included them in the 8. That leaves 4 players who were freshman this year and it remains to be seen whether they stick it out as I expect the program to dip into the portal again this year for 3-4 players. They signed 2 2026 recruits with 1 possibly playing minutes, depending on the transfers they get.
It is a very fine line of adding players from the portal and whether you are going to supplement from the portal occasionally or if you are going to add multiple players every year and risk losing some players who could be starters as juniors or seniors because they feel they are being recruited over.
Perfectly stated.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 05:55:57 PMIf MU wants to get in the game there NLI money will have to up to 10-12M!
There would be some pissed off donors if that was their spend next year.
Zion Sensely from UCSB. 6'6" guard, 36% from 3, 7.6 rebounds per game.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 27, 2026, 09:34:11 AMZion Sensely from UCSB. 6'6" guard, 36% from 3, 7.6 rebounds per game.
Could make Sensely
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 27, 2026, 07:34:08 AMI haven't seen it in this thread and I'd like you and others who believe in 3-4 transfers in the portal to take 200 game minutes and break it down with the players who you think should return, incoming high school recruits and transfers.
I'll play your game.
Nigel James 32.9
Adrien Stevens 26.1
Transfer 29.0
Royce Parham 29.1
Transfer 27.2
Transfer G 21.3
Damarius Owens 15.7
Sheek Pearson 13.0
All others get spot minutes.
This is just one example of how things might play out. Many variables come into play, such as injuries, player development, and how the competition for minutes play out. Some of the names might change, or the minutes may be allocated slightly differently, but this is my best guess.
Bringing in at least 2 seniors would prevent the long-term logjams. Reassess the roster each year. See how players actually develop, and base portal strategy/roster construction accordingly.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 26, 2026, 04:18:57 PMIt could be, but can you count on that development? Owens did not improve from his freshman year and arguably regressed. During the first half of the season, Parham was worse than last year. During the second half of this season he seems to have shown some improvement over last year but I'm not sure it was a dramatic jump. James and Stevens might be the best players Shaka has recruited as freshman. How much better can James get? He can cut down on TOs but he'll need a much better supporting cast for that to happen IMO. Phillips has a chance to improve but he's still awfully thin at this stage. Frankly, all of these guys will need to improve just to replace Gold and Ross. Without a big contribution from newcomers, this does not look like a tournament contender to me. Shaka needs to have hit it with the redhirts, incoming freshmen, and/or portal players. Transfers seem like the safest bet.
Stating that Owen's and parham have had minimal improvements just shows me that you dont want to take the conversation seriously.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2026, 08:51:03 AMThere would be some pissed off donors if that was their spend next year.
Pissed off as in, they want to spend more? Apologies, but I'm confused at this post.
Followed and following CJ Rivers on IG
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2037560465232982142?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on March 27, 2026, 11:19:45 AMFollowed and following CJ Rivers on IG
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2037560465232982142?s=61
Rivers was on Colorado State's staff for Evans's sophomore season at Colorado State. Hadn't been great in his first 3 years of college basketball but has the size, rim protection, and rebounding we need.
Kyle Evans, yes please.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 26, 2026, 11:53:22 AMHe's not going to be end of the bench. Caedin will probably still play 5-10 minutes a game, and I'm ok with that provided he is used to absorb some fouls, clog the lane, and let whoever our starting center is get some rest. I just don't think he should come anywhere close to starting
He proved in multiple games than 5-to-10 minutes is more than enough time to turn a win into a loss. It's not his fault. He's a Division II player and teams hunt him as soon as he steps on the court and he's a 41% shooter at the rim. Marquette probably wins Xavier game and gets rematch with UConn if Hamilton doesn't play vs. Xavier.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2026, 11:24:46 AMRivers was on Colorado State's staff for Evans's sophomore season at Colorado State. Hadn't been great in his first 3 years of college basketball but has the size, rim protection, and rebounding we need.
Hold up, I was told from many posters here that if a player is mediocre after two seasons they are a lost cause and should be told to find a new team.
You're telling me that a guy who was mediocre for THREE seasons could put it together in year FOUR and be a productive member of his team?
BOLLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they expected hotdogs at the scrimmage for that money...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2026, 10:42:59 AMPissed off as in, they want to spend more? Apologies, but I'm confused at this post.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2026, 10:42:59 AMPissed off as in, they want to spend more? Apologies, but I'm confused at this post.
Pissed off in that they have already committed more than that.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2026, 11:24:46 AMRivers was on Colorado State's staff for Evans's sophomore season at Colorado State. Hadn't been great in his first 3 years of college basketball but has the size, rim protection, and rebounding we need.
Sounds like Relationships and Growth to me, now just need to add Victory.
Top 250 in BPR, BTW. My interest is piqued.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 27, 2026, 12:07:51 PMSounds like Relationships and Growth to me, now just need to add Victory.
Top 250 in BPR, BTW. My interest is piqued.
I just saw that as well. He has one year left of eligibility, so it would fit nicely with Sheek's timeline.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 27, 2026, 07:34:08 AMI haven't seen it in this thread and I'd like you and others who believe in 3-4 transfers in the portal to take 200 game minutes and break it down with the players who you think should return, incoming high school recruits and transfers.
I looked at the 4 recruiting classes (2022-2025) for a school that has relied for years on retaining high school recruits for 4-5 years. In that 4 year span, they had 11 high school recruits and 11 from the portal. 8 players so far played out their eligibility and 9 have left. Of the 8 who played out their eligibility, I'm assuming 2 juniors from this year will remain for their senior years and I included them in the 8. That leaves 4 players who were freshman this year and it remains to be seen whether they stick it out as I expect the program to dip into the portal again this year for 3-4 players. They signed 2 2026 recruits with 1 possibly playing minutes, depending on the transfers they get.
It is a very fine line of adding players from the portal and whether you are going to supplement from the portal occasionally or if you are going to add multiple players every year and risk losing some players who could be starters as juniors or seniors because they feel they are being recruited over.
Perfectly stated, but your scenario of a fine line does not apply to Norman, Hamilton, Clark and Jones. There is no risk in losing any of these players, no?
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2026, 11:25:42 AMKyle Evans, yes please.
Nigel now following him as well.........
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 06:02:35 PM(and NIL vs. NLI; and 'go' or something else needs to be added)
I heard Bill Murray's kid's only hesitation with the BC job is BCHoopster.
I thought the BC in BCHoopster was Brookfield Central
Quote from: MuMark on March 27, 2026, 12:49:53 PMNigel now following him as well.........
On wat platform tho??????
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2026, 01:20:51 PMOn wat platform tho??????
IG. Just checked for myself and he's right. Not sure how much it means but Nigel and Kyle are both following each other.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 27, 2026, 01:40:16 PMIG. Just checked for myself and he's right. Not sure how much it means but Nigel and Kyle are both following each other.
What is Nigel's @??
I believe he doesn't use socials, he just has his own website. Something to do with a lemon party. Google that and report back.
Edit: Guys, don't actually google that. Don't want to send the boomers here to an early grave.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2026, 01:47:15 PMI believe he doesn't use socials, he just has his own website. Something to do with a lemon party. Google that and report back.
Edit: Guys, don't actually google that. Don't want to send the boomers here to an early grave.
Strong disagree about the early grave
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2026, 01:47:15 PMI believe he doesn't use socials, he just has his own website. Something to do with a lemon party. Google that and report back.
Edit: Guys, don't actually google that. Don't want to send the boomers here to an early grave.
Too late. Now I'm on the Cardio floor in UVA Hospital. Should have warned boomers earlier.
Miles Byrd officially in the portal. Here we go.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 27, 2026, 02:01:57 PMToo late. Now I'm on the Cardio floor in UVA Hospital. Should have warned boomers earlier.
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/i-am-sorry-1106c9ea23.jpg)
Quote from: onepost on March 27, 2026, 02:11:12 PMMiles Byrd officially in the portal. Here we go.
Evans and Byrd would be quite a nice offseason
Quote from: onepost on March 27, 2026, 02:11:12 PMMiles Byrd officially in the portal. Here we go.
2,100 Miles and Runnin'
Byrd, Kyle and NM legggooo
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2026, 02:21:32 PM2,100 Miles and Runnin'
Byrd, Kyle and NM legggooo
Reminds me of this
Save your "I'm sorry" crap. You will be hearing from my law firm, Ruggsy, Muggsy, and Guido. I am asking that Guido be assigned to the case. He'll make you an offer you can't refuse.
Quote from: onepost on March 27, 2026, 02:11:12 PMMiles Byrd officially in the portal. Here we go.
Is there a MU connection with Byrd or is he just on the wishlist?
Quote from: swoopem on March 27, 2026, 02:39:02 PMIs there a MU connection with Byrd or is he just on the wishlist?
I'm confident that he is an MU target.
I'm also confident that he will be target for dozens of other schools too.
Quote from: swoopem on March 27, 2026, 02:39:02 PMIs there a MU connection with Byrd or is he just on the wishlist?
Byrd was recruited at Colorado State when CJ Rivers was there.
Hopefully Marquette rented out a SoCal apartment for Rivers from the day we lost to Xavier through April.
Quote from: MuMark on March 27, 2026, 11:19:45 AMFollowed and following CJ Rivers on IG
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2037560465232982142?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on March 27, 2026, 12:49:53 PMNigel now following him as well.........
Good detective work and love the player. Would be very happy trotting him out for 30 mpg next year.
Quote from: swoopem on March 27, 2026, 02:39:02 PMIs there a MU connection with Byrd or is he just on the wishlist?
From what I heard, our analytics team determined he's as strong a fit with Nigel and Adrien as you could get (their words) from potential portal entries and he's very much been high on our list for a few weeks now. But like TAMU and others have noted, long line.
Minessale, Byrd, Evans would be a fantastic portal class IMO.
Still love Somto Cyril as my #1 center option though.
Quote from: onepost on March 27, 2026, 03:09:54 PMFrom what I heard, our analytics team determined he's as strong a fit with Nigel and Adrien as you could get (their words) from potential portal entries and he's very much been high on our list for a few weeks now. But like TAMU and others have noted, long line.
Minessale, Byrd, Evans would be a fantastic portal class IMO.
Still love Somto Cyril as my #1 center option though.
Byrd and Evans were both named DPOY in their respective conferences. I can see the vision..
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 27, 2026, 03:13:47 PMByrd and Evans were both named DPOY in their respective conferences. I can see the vision..
Same. Nigel, Royce, Adrien, Minessale, maayybbee Phillips can be your main scoring options; Byrd and Evans serve as your low-usage 3-and-D and interior scoring options while more importantly improving our (very much improved in the late season) defense considerably.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2026, 10:42:59 AMPissed off as in, they want to spend more? Apologies, but I'm confused at this post.
Correct
Quote from: MuMark on March 27, 2026, 11:19:45 AMFollowed and following CJ Rivers on IG
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2037560465232982142?s=61
On paper, I love him. Great rim finisher, elite shot blocker, and UCI was #1 in the country in 2PFG% at the rim.
But they play a lot of drop coverage. Can he be switchable and hold up in a system like ours? Will be interesting to see if we pursue.
I'm under the impression that Villanova is a favorite for Byrd if they want him. Will be up to them if he is a fit, but hard to imagine his game wouldn't be.
His dad played at Nova for 4 seasons under current CBS broadcaster Steve Lappas.
I just discovered that Miles Byrd is left handed. Keep the tradition alive. #LeftHandU
https://x.com/i/status/2037609786234023960
Kyle Evans highlights:
https://x.com/i/status/2037561758265594339
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 27, 2026, 06:08:24 PMI just discovered that Miles Byrd is left handed. Keep the tradition alive. #LeftHandU
https://x.com/i/status/2037609786234023960
I've seen Bryd play in person many times. I have no idea if there is actual interest either way, but he would be a terrific pick-up. Good size, and can fill it up. And Dutcher demands defense or you don't find the floor for the Aztecs.
Quote from: cnse70 on March 27, 2026, 06:42:29 PMI've seen Bryd play in person many times. I have no idea if there is actual interest either way, but he would be a terrific pick-up. Good size, and can fill it up. And Dutcher demands defense or you don't find the floor for the Aztecs.
Defensive Player of the Year, but statistically not a good shooter. 30.5% 3-pt shooter this season and 30.8% for career. 40.5% overall this season, 39.3% for career. Not saying I wouldn't want him, just don't want anyone getting hopes up that he's a good shooter.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2026, 05:55:57 PMIf MU wants to get in the game there NLI money will have to up to 10-12M!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2026, 08:51:03 AMThere would be some pissed off donors if that was their spend next year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 27, 2026, 11:44:32 AMPissed off in that they have already committed more than that.
Ok, so I'm trying to make sense of this. Lets say MU donors are going to spend 15-20M next year?
Maybe NJ is getting the 2M reported, Parham, and Stevens 1.5M each, and Owens 1M. We're up to 6M.
2M each for 3 portal players? We're up to 12M, leaving 3M (?) for the 5 Frosh/RS Frosh + MP, Caedin and Clark (375k each)?
You're low on NJ and $2M each probably won't go far. I'm guessing our top portal targets (probably 2) will be in the $3-4M range.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 31, 2026, 09:01:15 PMYou're low on NJ and $2M each probably won't go far. I'm guessing our top portal targets (probably 2) will be in the $3-4M range.
Fair... If true portaling will be more interesting than I'm expecting.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2026, 08:47:54 PMOk, so I'm trying to make sense of this. Lets say MU donors are going to spend 15-20M next year?
Maybe NJ is getting the 2M reported, Parham, and Stevens 1.5M each, and Owens 1M. We're up to 6M.
2M each for 3 portal players? We're up to 12M, leaving 3M (?) for the 5 Frosh/RS Frosh + MP, Caedin and Clark (375k each)?
Clark and Caedin 375 each, are you serious?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 31, 2026, 09:08:29 PMClark and Caedin 375 each, are you serious?
I mean sure, if that's what true and rs frosh are getting too.
But really, I'm just saying Duke and Kentucky are reported to be in the $15-20M range this year. I'm trying to figure out where that dough is going for MU!?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 31, 2026, 09:01:15 PMYou're low on NJ and $2M each probably won't go far. I'm guessing our top portal targets (probably 2) will be in the $3-4M range.
Am I the crazy one here? That's more that (reportedly) Toppin, Boozer, and Lendeborg got (individually). If we've got 3 guys in the $3M range (including NJ), we better be ballin!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2026, 08:47:54 PMOk, so I'm trying to make sense of this. Lets say MU donors are going to spend 15-20M next year?
Maybe NJ is getting the 2M reported, Parham, and Stevens 1.5M each, and Owens 1M. We're up to 6M.
2M each for 3 portal players? We're up to 12M, leaving 3M (?) for the 5 Frosh/RS Frosh + MP, Caedin and Clark (375k each)?
After that series of posts you quoted, I tried doing the math as well and struggled to get up to the reported number. Guess I didn't consider that the mercenaries would be the highest paid players, but I guess that is what it will take. Funny that MU will have several players earning as much or more next season than the current MU guys in the NBA.
So are we expecting Nash/Sheek/Ian to make returning/leaving announcements as well or are they just expected back?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2026, 03:02:46 PMSo are we expecting Nash/Sheek/Ian to make returning/leaving announcements as well or are they just expected back?
The redshirts are still arriving so to speak. In the meantime, wehave not heard from Hamilton or Clark yet.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2026, 03:02:46 PMSo are we expecting Nash/Sheek/Ian to make returning/leaving announcements as well or are they just expected back?
It would seem weird to cut anybody that has never played, but Shaka has had time to evaluate the redshirts for a year.
I kinda find it weird that *anybody* needs to announce they're coming back, but I guess it's what players do these days.
Kids today!
I love kids as long as they stay off my lawn.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 31, 2026, 11:15:23 PMAfter that series of posts you quoted, I tried doing the math as well and struggled to get up to the reported number. Guess I didn't consider that the mercenaries would be the highest paid players, but I guess that is what it will take. Funny that MU will have several players earning as much or more next season than the current MU guys in the NBA.
...or most MU grads cumulative earnings 10 years after graduation.
Wow. $15-20 mil. Scoop better do an NIL fundraiser like it did for Al's Run.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 01, 2026, 04:25:55 PM...or most MU grads cumulative earnings 10 years after graduation.
15,000 people don't show up 15-20 times a year to watch most MU grads do their jobs.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2026, 05:30:17 PM15,000 people don't show up 15-20 times a year to watch most MU grads do their jobs.
Or millions watch them do their jobs on TV throughout the year.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2026, 05:30:17 PM15,000 people don't show up 15-20 times a year to watch most MU grads do their jobs.
Back when TV was wholesome and women didn't wear trousers, we were able to watch kids play for the name on the front of the jersey and not the back
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 31, 2026, 09:01:15 PMYou're low on NJ and $2M each probably won't go far. I'm guessing our top portal targets (probably 2) will be in the $3-4M range.
How much of that from rev share (and what kind of hole does that put in the Uni finances - aren't we cutting $31 million from the budget over the next 5 years?) and how much from donors? I realize you gotta spend to make, but do we really have the kind of donor pool that can sustain 10 million
annually indefinitely?
Do we think the three spots currently open will remain at three or jump to 4 or even 5? I think one more spot will open, which is a change from my initial thoughts that it would top off at three when the poll was created. I do think Hamilton will leave and find his level of competition. But for the three open spots, I'd like to see the following for transfers in. I don't want to see any banked scholarships.
- A senior (not talking geriatrics here), defensive minded, rebounding big/center... NOT a stretch big/center
- A Senior stretch 4 who can also play defense against opposing centers
- A high usage combo guard, junior or senior who can play along side NJ and Stevens and handle PG duties when NJ is out...
If a forth spot opens, maybe look at bringing someone in with 2-3 yrs of eligibility to round out/balance either the 2026-2027 sophomore or junior classes... if that's even a thing anymore. Who plans for the future :-\
Quote from: noblewarrior on April 02, 2026, 09:22:11 AMDo we think the three spots currently open will remain at three or jump to 4 or even 5? I think one more spot will open, which is a change from my initial thoughts that it would top off at three when the poll was created. I do think Hamilton will leave and find his level of competition. But for the three open spots, I'd like to see the following for transfers in. I don't want to see any banked scholarships.
- A senior (not talking geriatrics here), defensive minded, rebounding big/center... NOT a stretch big/center
- A Senior stretch 4 who can also play defense against opposing centers
- A high usage combo guard, junior or senior who can play along side NJ and Stevens and handle PG duties when NJ is out...
If a forth spot opens, maybe look at bringing someone in with 2-3 yrs of eligibility to round out/balance either the 2026-2027 sophomore or junior classes... if that's even a thing anymore. Who plans for the future :-\
We have that in Royce.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 02, 2026, 09:31:47 AMWe have that in Royce.
Isn't Royce a Junior? Regardless, isn't two at that position better than one?
If there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
Scoop would explode if Shaka triples down on Caedin. I wouldn't mind taking the chance on Sheek if we have to spend extra budget on guards.
I really don't care. Going into a season without guard depth is far greater coaching malpractice than relying on project bigs.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
Respectfully, this is insane.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
Hard disagree. A starting 5 has to be a top priority. No way can this team go into the season with Sheek, Caedin and Josh as the only options at the 5.
I don't see MU back in the NCAAs next year with that group at the 5 unless Pearson is an immediate starter and is very good.
Disagree. Now picture a quality big, no guard depth, and a bad sprained ankle for NJ that keeps him out for a month.
I see Joe Chapman/Marcus Jackson, Derrick Wilson/Jake Thomas scenarios without addressing guard depth.
If there aren't quality bigs brought in, I see Barro/Burke scenarios.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:21:25 AMDisagree. Now picture a quality big, no guard depth, and a bad sprained ankle for NJ that keeps him out for a month.
I see Joe Chapman/Marcus Jackson, Derrick Wilson/Jake Thomas scenarios without addressing guard depth.
If there aren't quality bigs brought in, I see Barro/Burke scenarios.
The good news is it doesn't have to be one or the other. In an ideal world, we bring in an instant impact 5 and 2 that can handle the ball. Add a promising 6th man for guard depth. But not addressing the 5 would be malpractice and in my opinion result in another lost year and Shaka being shown the door.
Agreed.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2026, 09:38:35 AMIsn't Royce a Junior? Regardless, isn't two at that position better than one?
Yes, he's a junior, but we have our stretch 4 who will start. I don't think a senior is going to come in to sit behind Royce. I'd rather see a traditional power 4 banger to play down low, and could also play the 5 when we go small. To go way back, a Marcus Jackson or Terry Sanders type.
We definitely need a back-up scoring PG.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:21:25 AMI see Joe Chapman/Marcus Jackson, Derrick Wilson/Jake Thomas scenarios without addressing guard depth.
I definitely think MU needs backcourt depth. I'm thinking a combo guard of some sort plus a wing that can play the backcourt as well.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:21:25 AMIf there aren't quality bigs brought in, I see Barro/Burke scenarios.
Barro and Burke were significantly better than Caedin and Josh. Sheek is just unknown.
I think it is also clear that a post player is necessary. Given the rumors over who we are talking to, I think the coaching staff realizes that as well.
https://x.com/transferportal/status/2039742121536565515?s=61
One to watch for sure. Been a lot of Oswin-MU talk the last couple weeks.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 11:35:51 AMI definitely think MU needs backcourt depth. I'm thinking a combo guard of some sort plus a wing that can play the backcourt as well.
Barro and Burke were significantly better than Caedin and Josh. Sheek is just unknown.
I think it is also clear that a post player is necessary. Given the rumors over who we are talking to, I think the coaching staff realizes that as well.
As the new GM I am on it.
Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 11:41:09 AMOne to watch for sure. Been a lot of Oswin-MU talk the last couple weeks.
Would be interesting, he was a pretty legit recruit.
https://x.com/tomcrean/status/2039745128357564689?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Per Crean, sounds like $15M (Marquette's rumored budget) is what's needed to be competitive. One coach saying that's not enough.
Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 11:41:09 AMOne to watch for sure. Been a lot of Oswin-MU talk the last couple weeks.
Pretty much the same numbers as Ben Gold.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 02, 2026, 12:08:39 PMhttps://x.com/tomcrean/status/2039745128357564689?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
Per Crean, sounds like $15M (Marquette's rumored budget) is what's needed to be competitive. One coach saying that's not enough.
When you say "competitive," do you mean to compete for the top prospects? Or field a competitive team?
Because those are two different things.
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2026, 11:40:09 AMhttps://x.com/transferportal/status/2039742121536565515?s=61
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Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
God no.
Nigel will play 30+ mpg next year. I expect Stevens to play the Chase role and be a secondary ball handler as needed. We'll add another guard in the portal. But center is an even bigger priority than that.
Getting to $15m without overpaying seems like it will be a challenge if they bring back Hamilton & Clark.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:21:25 AMDisagree. Now picture a quality big, no guard depth, and a bad sprained ankle for NJ that keeps him out for a month.
I see Joe Chapman/Marcus Jackson, Derrick Wilson/Jake Thomas scenarios without addressing guard depth.
If there aren't quality bigs brought in, I see Barro/Burke scenarios.
We have three spots and probably at least one more opening, so two guards and a big is doable
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2026, 12:11:51 PMPretty much the same numbers as Ben Gold.
This is why you get repeatedly dunked on here. He is nothing like Ben Gold. He does all his scoring from the inside and hasn't taken a single three in two years. He was top ten in both blocks and rebounds this past year. He is the rim protector needed for this defense.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 02, 2026, 12:17:14 PMWe have three spots and probably at least one more opening, so two guards and a big is doable
Under the current roster make up, my first choice.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2026, 12:11:51 PMPretty much the same numbers as Ben Gold.
Good lord, man.
What was his FG%? How many shots did he take per game? How many shots did he block per game?
It's pretty obvious they couldn't be more different as players.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
And herein lies the major issue going into next season. Tower is saying the quiet part out loud. We have no guard depth, need to replace starters production from last season and have no front court depth, with only three currently available spots to fill. Nowhere near enough talent to get back to a comfortable tournament team, all while there are two bigs on our roster who have definitely and almost definitely proven they have no business playing at this level.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2026, 12:11:51 PMPretty much the same numbers as Ben Gold.
Gotta be a bit.
Quote from: noblewarrior on April 02, 2026, 09:22:11 AMDo we think the three spots currently open will remain at three or jump to 4 or even 5? I think one more spot will open, which is a change from my initial thoughts that it would top off at three when the poll was created. I do think Hamilton will leave and find his level of competition. But for the three open spots, I'd like to see the following for transfers in. I don't want to see any banked scholarships.
- A senior (not talking geriatrics here), defensive minded, rebounding big/center... NOT a stretch big/center
- A Senior stretch 4 who can also play defense against opposing centers
- A high usage combo guard, junior or senior who can play along side NJ and Stevens and handle PG duties when NJ is out...
If a forth spot opens, maybe look at bringing someone in with 2-3 yrs of eligibility to round out/balance either the 2026-2027 sophomore or junior classes... if that's even a thing anymore. Who plans for the future :-\
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 02, 2026, 09:31:47 AMWe have that in Royce.
I'd prefer MU field a squad with a rotation of 3 competent PF/C players...(we have plenty of SF/wings) and stretching doesn't necessarily mean not being able to bang (pause)....maybe I should have expanded on being, "able to play defense against opposing centers", was an allusion to being a banger.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 12:27:09 PMAnd herein lies the major issue going into next season. Tower is saying the quiet part out loud. We have no guard depth, need to replace starters production from last season and have no front court depth, with only three currently available spots to fill. Nowhere near enough talent to get back to a comfortable tournament team, all while there are two bigs on our roster who have definitely and almost definitely proven they have no business playing at this level.
Yeah, I disagree. I think, even with only three openings, the right additions could definitely make this a "comfortable tournament team."
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 12:37:37 PMYeah, I disagree. I think, even with only three openings, the right additions could definitely make this a "comfortable tournament team."
100%.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 12:37:37 PMYeah, I disagree. I think, even with only three openings, the right additions could definitely make this a "comfortable tournament team."
There is a lot of theoretical talk now and we will have a clearer idea once the additions are made. However I don't see how a bad team in a really bad conference could make such a big turnaround barely replacing the pieces that left the previous season. We'll see
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2026, 12:11:51 PMPretty much the same numbers as Ben Gold.
Thanks, eeyore69, you never fail to amaze.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
pass dat sh1t, bruh
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 12:18:49 PMThis is why you get repeatedly dunked on here. He is nothing like Ben Gold. He does all his scoring from the inside and hasn't taken a single three in two years. He was top ten in both blocks and rebounds this past year. He is the rim protector needed for this defense.
The post stated that Oswin averaged 7 pts and 8 rebounds. Ben Gold averaged 8 pts and 6 rebounds. Those numbers look similar, no. Nothing more and nothing less as the post does not go any further than that. I never said he is like Ben Gold just that their numbers are similar. Is there anything wrong having similar number as Ben?
Wasn't there talk that Nash could play backup point guard? I thought someone was on the Shaka radio hour and said he's been playing PG in practice.
I'm still hopeful Caedin leaves and we have an extra opening but as it stands I think getting a center, wing, and guard (in that order) should be the plan
Quote from: swoopem on April 02, 2026, 12:59:43 PMWasn't there talk that Nash could play backup point guard? I thought someone was on the Shaka radio hour and said he's been playing PG in practice.
I'm still hopeful Caedin leaves and we have an extra opening but as it stands I think getting a center, wing, and guard (in that order) should be the plan
I don't think we should be pinning our hopes of a big rebound year on a foreign player who has regressed each year.
The second half of the season gives me hope they can be a tournament team with the right additions and much needed impact from some of the redshirts and freshmen. The trio of Nigel/Royce/Stevens is a great foundation. Big man is the biggest need though. They will not be a great team with the current front court.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 02, 2026, 01:10:21 PMI don't think we should be pinning our hopes of a big rebound year on a foreign player who has regressed each year.
Uhhh? Who's regressed? The guy who hasn't played a single minute?
And I'm talking about a backup spot for maybe 7-8 minutes, probably less. No one is pinning our hopes of a big rebound year on backups. This is why I said a center and wing should be priorities
And we still need Caedin to leave
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:21:25 AMDisagree. Now picture a quality big, no guard depth, and a bad sprained ankle for NJ that keeps him out for a month.
I see Joe Chapman/Marcus Jackson, Derrick Wilson/Jake Thomas scenarios without addressing guard depth.
If there aren't quality bigs brought in, I see Barro/Burke scenarios.
The difference is that we have James/Stevens, not Derrick Wilson/Jake Thomas.
Quote from: swoopem on April 02, 2026, 01:16:30 PMUhhh? Who's regressed? The guy who hasn't played a single minute?
And I'm talking about a backup spot for maybe 7-8 minutes, probably less. No one is pinning our hopes of a big rebound year on backups. This is why I said a center and wing should be priorities
And we still need Caedin to leave
I'm talking about his national team contributions the last 4 years.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
Then, there will have to be forced departures. You are correct that guard depth is huge. But an experienced talented big man is as well. They cannot spend the kind of money they will have to spend this offseason to be competitive just to fall woefully short at either position. They are going to have to walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 12:27:09 PMAnd herein lies the major issue going into next season. Tower is saying the quiet part out loud. We have no guard depth, need to replace starters production from last season and have no front court depth, with only three currently available spots to fill. Nowhere near enough talent to get back to a comfortable tournament team, all while there are two bigs on our roster who have definitely and almost definitely proven they have no business playing at this level.
You're constantly overrating depth.
Not that I expect it to be exactly this, but if our roster next year is:
James
Stevens
Byrd
Parham
Oswin/Evans
Minessale
Pearson
Owens
Egbuonu
Philips
Miletic
Walker
Johnston
2 of Clark/Hamilton/Odih
That's a top 3 Big East team that should be in contention for a protected seed. The top 6 would all be proven contributors, Owens can give 10 minutes per game, and I have faith one of Sheek/Alex/Philips can give you 10 minutes per game. That's all you need in college basketball to have a very good team.
Quote from: swoopem on April 02, 2026, 12:59:43 PMWasn't there talk that Nash could play backup point guard? I thought someone was on the Shaka radio hour and said he's been playing PG in practice.
I'm still hopeful Caedin leaves and we have an extra opening but as it stands I think getting a center, wing, and guard (in that order) should be the plan
We definitely have to get an additional ball handler/PG or Combo G. Any injury to Nigel would leave us extremely vulnerable. Next I would say a power 5 and a triple lacing two-way wing. The question is how impactful will our newcomers be and whether DO and MP can be solid at the 3. The bottom line is we must get at minimum two high impact portal additions.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 01:29:44 PMYou're constantly overrating depth.
Not that I expect it to be exactly this, but if our roster next year is:
James
Stevens
Byrd
Parham
Oswin/Evans
Minessale
Pearson
Owens
Egbuonu
Philips
Miletic
Walker
Johnston
2 of Clark/Hamilton/Odih
That's a top 3 Big East team that should be in contention for a protected seed. The top 6 would all be proven high major contributors, Owens can give 10 minutes per game, and I have faith one of Sheek/Alex/Philips can give you 10 minutes per game. That's all you need in college basketball to have a very good team.
Byrd?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2026, 01:34:34 PMByrd?
Miles Byrd. Like I said, I don't think our roster will look exactly like that, but that level/style of transfer. A starting 3 who is a good perimeter defender, a starting 5 who can rebound and finish at the rim, and a 6th man combo guard are what I think we will add.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 01:35:54 PMMiles Byrd. Like I said, I don't think our roster will look exactly like that, but that level/style of transfer. A starting 3 who is a good perimeter defender, a starting 5 who can rebound and finish at the rim, and a 6th man combo guard are what I think we will add.
He'd be a great fit at MU! But the competition to get him will be difficult. My suggestion: Get the kid on our roster, tomorrow! Do whatever it takes. :)
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 01:29:44 PMYou're constantly overrating depth.
Not that I expect it to be exactly this, but if our roster next year is:
James
Stevens
Byrd
Parham
Oswin/Evans
Minessale
Pearson
Owens
Egbuonu
Philips
Miletic
Walker
Johnston
2 of Clark/Hamilton/Odih
That's a top 3 Big East team that should be in contention for a protected seed. The top 6 would all be proven high major contributors, Owens can give 10 minutes per game, and I have faith one of Sheek/Alex/Philips can give you 10 minutes per game. That's all you need in college basketball to have a very good team.
That would be a grand total of 2 guys off the bench with any proven success at the collegiate level. We're one injury away from big trouble. We disagree about the season two years ago, but lack of depth played a major factor in the team significantly underachieving. They ran out of gas. Faith doesn't win games - experience and talent does. It's a big roll of the dice to expect freshmen to contribute when all of your competition is finding experienced players to fill those gaps.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 12:13:17 PMWhen you say "competitive," do you mean to compete for the top prospects? Or field a competitive team?
Because those are two different things.
You'd have to ask Tom, it's not my tweet. I'm just sharing.
Sananda Fru is the other big man I've heard we're interested in. But the big man market is out of control so we'll see what pans out. LOT of Timofey Mozgov free agency vibes.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 01:39:47 PMThat would be a grand total of 2 guys off the bench with any proven success at the collegiate level. We're one injury away from big trouble. We disagree about the season two years ago, but lack of depth played a major factor in the team significantly underachieving. They ran out of gas. Faith doesn't win games - experience and talent does. It's a big roll of the dice to expect freshmen to contribute when all of your competition is finding experienced players to fill those gaps.
All of our competition will be bringing in experienced players from the portal to come off the bench?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 02, 2026, 01:42:39 PMAll of our competition will be bringing in experienced players from the portal to come off the bench?
They will either have returning players from the program capable of playing the minutes or will find a player or two in the portal to supplement their talent. Uconn did it with Smith, St. Johns did it with Ian Jackson, nova did it with a couple guys Willard brought with him from Maryland.
This is not a novel concept - if you have holes in the team and need to improve, coaches fill it with available talent. Teams trying to compete shouldn't sit and hope.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 01:39:47 PMThat would be a grand total of 2 guys off the bench with any proven success at the collegiate level. We're one injury away from big trouble. We disagree about the season two years ago, but lack of depth played a major factor in the team significantly underachieving. They ran out of gas. Faith doesn't win games - experience and talent does. It's a big roll of the dice to expect freshmen to contribute when all of your competition is finding experienced players to fill those gaps.
How many teams have 4-5 players on their bench "with proven success at the collegiate level" going into seasons? You need 2 guys off your bench to be good. And much of the time, those players aren't going into the season with "proven success at the collegiate level."
The Final Four is:
UCONN plays an 8 man rotation. Reibe who was ranked 27th in the class of 2025 averaging 6 points, 3 rebounds, Jayden Ross averaging 5 points, 2 rebounds after never having averaged over 2 ppg in his first 2 seasons at UCONN, and Malachi Smith averaging 3 points and 3 assists per game after being a solid role player for Dayton for 4 years. (1 player coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Illinois' plays an 8 man rotation. Jake Davis averaging 5 points and 2 rebounds after averaging 3 points in 9 minutes at IL last year, Zvonimir Ivisic averaging 6 points and 5 rebounds after being a solid player at 2 high majors, and Ben Humrichous averaging 6 points and 4 rebounds after being a starter last year. (3 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Arizona plays an 8 man rotation. Tobe Awaka averages 9 and 9 and has been a solid role player for 3 years, Anthony Dell'Orso averages 9/2/2 after being a role player last year and a mid major stud the prior 2 years, and Dwayne Aristode averages 4 poinst and 2 rebounds as a freshman. (2 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Michigan played a 9 man rotation, but Cason is out for the year so they play an 8 man rotation with Tschetter averaging 4 and 2, McKenney averaging 10 and 3, and Gayle averaging 7 and 3. All 3 of those guys have been solid contributors. (4 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
It's incredibly rare to have 4-5 players on their bench with "proven success at the collegiate level" going into the season.
We'll be in great shape if we have 2 players with "proven success at the collegiate level" coming off our bench going into next season.
Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 01:41:38 PMSananda Fru is the other big man I've heard we're interested in. But the big man market is out of control so we'll see what pans out. LOT of Timofey Mozgov free agency vibes.
Now that's a name
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 01:20:47 PMThe difference is that we have James/Stevens, not Derrick Wilson/Jake Thomas.
Injuries. Crucial part of the scenario that makes me prioritize guards.
Diener, James, Kolek, Mitchell, Jones, Jones, Ross.
To me quality guard depth is more important. I am comfortable on this hill.
I expect two guards and a big if no one else leaves.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 01:52:45 PMHow many teams have 4-5 players on their bench "with proven success at the collegiate level" going into seasons? You need 2 guys off your bench to be good. And much of the time, those players aren't going into the season with "proven success at the collegiate level."
The Final Four is:
UCONN plays an 8 man rotation. Reibe who was ranked 27th in the class of 2025 averaging 6 points, 3 rebounds, Jayden Ross averaging 5 points, 2 rebounds after never having averaged over 2 ppg in his first 2 seasons at UCONN, and Malachi Smith averaging 3 points and 3 assists per game after being a solid role player for Dayton for 4 years. (1 player coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Illinois' plays an 8 man rotation. Jake Davis averaging 5 points and 2 rebounds after averaging 3 points in 9 minutes at IL last year, Zvonimir Ivisic averaging 6 points and 5 rebounds after being a solid player at 2 high majors, and Ben Humrichous averaging 6 points and 4 rebounds after being a starter last year. (3 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Arizona plays an 8 man rotation. Tobe Awaka averages 9 and 9 and has been a solid role player for 3 years, Anthony Dell'Orso averages 9/2/2 after being a role player last year and a mid major stud the prior 2 years, and Dwayne Aristode averages 4 poinst and 2 rebounds as a freshman. (2 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Michigan played a 9 man rotation, but Cason is out for the year so they play an 8 man rotation with Tschetter averaging 4 and 2, McKenney averaging 10 and 3, and Gayle averaging 7 and 3. All 3 of those guys have been solid contributors. (4 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
It's incredibly rare to have 4-5 players on their bench with "proven success at the collegiate level" going into the season.
We'll be in great shape if we have 2 players with "proven success at the collegiate level" coming off our bench going into next season.
How many successful teams have bench depth of a bunch of freshmen and previous D1 non contributors?
There's a ton of available bigs, and imo, not much separation between/among them.
This is an easy equation.
Get Minnesale. Get a middle-tier 5.
GET FREAKING MILES BYRD!!
Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, and Jose Feliciano all could see how perfectly he would fit in Shaka's system!! Talk about a symbiotic relationship!!!
Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 01:41:38 PMSananda Fru is the other big man I've heard we're interested in. But the big man market is out of control so we'll see what pans out. LOT of Timofey Mozgov free agency vibes.
Fru could be fruitful.
Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 01:41:38 PMSananda Fru is the other big man I've heard we're interested in. But the big man market is out of control so we'll see what pans out. LOT of Timofey Mozgov free agency vibes.
Good lord, the variants of his misspelled name on Scoop would make it worth it, whatever the cost (isn't happening)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2026, 02:03:55 PMGood lord, the variants of his misspelled name on Scoop would make it worth it, whatever the cost (isn't happening)
What's 🎶 Sananda you, hey?!
I want Byrd, badly. He's absolutely the kind of player we need and haven't had for some time. He completely changes our defensive identity. Plus, we could get into transition more which gets Nigel into the open floor.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 02, 2026, 02:02:41 PMThere's a ton of available bigs, and imo, not much separation between/among them.
This is an easy equation.
Get Minnesale. Get a middle-tier 5.
GET FREAKING MILES BYRD!!Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, and Jose Feliciano all could see how perfectly he would fit in Shaka's system!! Talk about a symbiotic relationship!!!
...but will Byrd's agent?
Byrd would look great flying around as a golden Eagle
Byrds aren't real.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 01:52:45 PMHow many teams have 4-5 players on their bench "with proven success at the collegiate level" going into seasons? You need 2 guys off your bench to be good. And much of the time, those players aren't going into the season with "proven success at the collegiate level."
The Final Four is:
UCONN plays an 8 man rotation. Reibe who was ranked 27th in the class of 2025 averaging 6 points, 3 rebounds, Jayden Ross averaging 5 points, 2 rebounds after never having averaged over 2 ppg in his first 2 seasons at UCONN, and Malachi Smith averaging 3 points and 3 assists per game after being a solid role player for Dayton for 4 years. (1 player coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Illinois' plays an 8 man rotation. Jake Davis averaging 5 points and 2 rebounds after averaging 3 points in 9 minutes at IL last year, Zvonimir Ivisic averaging 6 points and 5 rebounds after being a solid player at 2 high majors, and Ben Humrichous averaging 6 points and 4 rebounds after being a starter last year. (3 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Arizona plays an 8 man rotation. Tobe Awaka averages 9 and 9 and has been a solid role player for 3 years, Anthony Dell'Orso averages 9/2/2 after being a role player last year and a mid major stud the prior 2 years, and Dwayne Aristode averages 4 poinst and 2 rebounds as a freshman. (2 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
Michigan played a 9 man rotation, but Cason is out for the year so they play an 8 man rotation with Tschetter averaging 4 and 2, McKenney averaging 10 and 3, and Gayle averaging 7 and 3. All 3 of those guys have been solid contributors. (4 players coming off their bench that had "proven success at the collegiate level" coming into the season)
It's incredibly rare to have 4-5 players on their bench with "proven success at the collegiate level" going into the season.
We'll be in great shape if we have 2 players with "proven success at the collegiate level" coming off our bench going into next season.
...but they're in the final 4. Did any of them lose 20 games last season?
'I would love a Rubin', he said wryly.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 11:07:31 AMIf there are no more departures, the top two priorities have to be experienced guards, as there are only two currently on the roster.
I would rather take my chances with Sheek, Caedin, and Josh than to go into a seasonon without guard depth.
You want to go into next season with our bigs being Sheek, Hamilton and Clark?????
One hasn't played a second of D1, the other two were so unready, that they rarely played.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2026, 12:52:31 PMThe post stated that Oswin averaged 7 pts and 8 rebounds. Ben Gold averaged 8 pts and 6 rebounds. Those numbers look similar, no. Nothing more and nothing less as the post does not go any further than that. I never said he is like Ben Gold just that their numbers are similar. Is there anything wrong having similar number as Ben?
Oswin is near elite levels on defensive side of ball:
Metric Oswin Gold
ORB% 14.3 6.4
DRB% 22.1 17.5
TRB% 18.9 11.3
BLK% 8.6 3.3
Offensive side - Note Oswin does not shoot 3s
Metric Oswin Gold
FG% 0.697 0.429
3P% 0.000 0.327
FT% 0.500 0.670
TS% 0.668 0.554
eFG% 0.697 0.541
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 02, 2026, 02:18:17 PMYou want to go into next season with our bigs being Sheek, Hamilton and Clark?????
One hasn't played a second of D1, the other two were so unready, that they rarely played.
Instead of no guard depth?!?!? HELL, YES!!!!
Moot point. I expect both are being pursued
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 02, 2026, 02:18:17 PMYou want to go into next season with our bigs being Sheek, Hamilton and Clark?????
One hasn't played a second of D1, the other two were so unready, that they rarely played.
I think Shaka wants to keep his job, sticking with those 3 would be a disaster for the team and his career
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2026, 02:21:33 PMI think Shaka wants to keep his job, sticking with those 3 would be a disaster for the team and his career
Not getting guard depth and having NJ join the long list of MU guards who have had injuries that derailed season isn't better.
I assume Shaka is taking a both/and approach. If, in the hypothetical scenario that I had to choose either/or, I will choose guard depth over a 4th big.
I prefer scenarios where Royce, DO, Ian, MP, Egbuono, EJ, Walker are defending 6'10 players to scenarios where they have to initiate offense.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 02:30:58 PMIf, in the hypothetical scenario that I had to choose either/or, I will choose guard depth over a 4th big.
We are already not in that scenario with three openings.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 02, 2026, 12:52:31 PMThe post stated that Oswin averaged 7 pts and 8 rebounds. Ben Gold averaged 8 pts and 6 rebounds. Those numbers look similar, no. Nothing more and nothing less as the post does not go any further than that. I never said he is like Ben Gold just that their numbers are similar. Is there anything wrong having similar number as Ben?
If that's all you meant, then it's an inane comparison because there is no context to those numbers. That's like saying the sky is similar to my computer monitor because they are both blue. While factually true, it is a comparison without any relevance.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 02:36:49 PMIf that's all you meant, then it's an inane comparison because there is no context to those numbers. That's like saying the sky is similar to my computer monitor because they are both blue. While factually true, it is a comparison without any relevance.
Then why do they post them for portal tranfers?
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 02:20:05 PMInstead of no guard depth?!?!? HELL, YES!!!!
Moot point. I expect both are being pursued
having those 3 play is having ZERO big depth though.
I see one or both centers moving on.
It seems everyone is obsessed with Miles Byrd but I don't think he should be the priority. He'd help our team a ton and I'd never say no to a player of his caliber, but the guys we need to spend $$$ on are a center and combo guard.
We need a capable ball handler who can take mileage off of Nigel. We're unnatural carnal knowledgeed if he gets injured because he's playing 36 minutes a night. We REALLY need a competent center that has experience. We need Miles Byrd, yes. But MPIII and Owens spot that production well enough that it shouldn't take up valuable resources for the other holes we need to fill.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 02, 2026, 02:41:46 PMhaving those 3 play is having ZERO big depth though.
Looking over the last quarter century of MU basketball, how many teams have been successful due to quality big man play? One year of Robert Jackson? The Oso years?
Conversely, how many seasons have been successful due to quality guard play and how many have been derailed when there wasn't enough guard depth, which was exposed by injuries, suspensions, and departures?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2026, 02:42:58 PMI see one or both centers moving on.
Maybe one. Definitely not both
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 02, 2026, 03:01:06 PMMaybe one. Definitely not both
What's your confidence level in one leaving? 50/50? 75?
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 02:50:43 PMLooking over the last quarter century of MU basketball, how many teams have been successful due to quality big man play? One year of Robert Jackson? The Oso years?
Conversely, how many seasons have been successful due to quality guard play and how many have been derailed when there wasn't enough guard depth, which was exposed by injuries, suspensions, and departures?
You're setting up a false choice here. There's nothing stopping MU from adding a quality big and guard depth.
But second, is your argument here "because Marquette hasn't had a lot of quality bigs over the years, they should therefore not prioritize landing a quality big?"
Perhaps the better question is, how often has the lack of a quality big hurt the chances of a team otherwise primed for a deep run (i.e. 07-08, 24-25).
I have already agreed that MU can do both and expect that they are.
Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 01:41:38 PMSananda Fru is the other big man I've heard we're interested in. But the big man market is out of control so we'll see what pans out. LOT of Timofey Mozgov free agency vibes.
This is the kind of two-way player that could really help us. Maybe my favorite option yet outside of Somto. Neither seem particularly likely given they'd both start on 99% of D1 teams, but man that would be a statement of intent.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 02:50:43 PMLooking over the last quarter century of MU basketball, how many teams have been successful due to quality big man play? One year of Robert Jackson? The Oso years?
Conversely, how many seasons have been successful due to quality guard play and how many have been derailed when there wasn't enough guard depth, which was exposed by injuries, suspensions, and departures?
Didn't we have quality bigs for each of the 4 NCAA appearances in the 90s? McCaskill, Crawford, & Mac all played in the NBA. But I do agree with the point overall.
Edit: oops lost track of how long ago a quarter century was. I'm not in my mid 30s it's still 2013 what are you talking about.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2026, 03:06:00 PMPerhaps the better question is, how often has the lack of a quality big hurt the chances of a team otherwise primed for a deep run (i.e. 07-08, 24-25).
2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2019. Lacking one in 2018 might've gotten over the hump.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 02:50:43 PMLooking over the last quarter century of MU basketball, how many teams have been successful due to quality big man play? One year of Robert Jackson? The Oso years?
I dont see the history of MU basketball as some lesson as to why we shouldn't go all in on a solid big man.
I'd rather take a different lesson and show you teams like Uconn or Purdue, who have been slapping teams around with the 7 foot neanderthals they continue to find.
I never said MU shouldn't get a big. I said I prioritize guard depth more highly. And,if I had to make a hypothetical choice between the two, I would choose guard depth.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 01:49:01 PMThey will either have returning players from the program capable of playing the minutes or will find a player or two in the portal to supplement their talent. Uconn did it with Smith, St. Johns did it with Ian Jackson, nova did it with a couple guys Willard brought with him from Maryland.
This is not a novel concept - if you have holes in the team and need to improve, coaches fill it with available talent. Teams trying to compete shouldn't sit and hope.
Sounds exactly like what Marquette is likely to do.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 02:50:43 PMLooking over the last quarter century of MU basketball, how many teams have been successful due to quality big man play? One year of Robert Jackson? The Oso years?
Conversely, how many seasons have been successful due to quality guard play and how many have been derailed when there wasn't enough guard depth, which was exposed by injuries, suspensions, and departures?
At the same time, look at the top of the sport. What's winning right now? It's size. Look at who's in the Final Four. Michigan isn't winning because of Eliot Cadeau and Nimari Burnett, they're winning because of Yaxel, Morez Johnson, and Aday Mara. Arizona is well rounded for sure at the top, but Peat/Kharchenkov/Krivas/Awaka is dominating. Illinois is even more balanced, but they are huge everywhere. And UCONN is winning because of Karaban and Reed, not because of Demary and Ball.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 02, 2026, 03:30:40 PMSounds exactly like what Marquette is likely to do.
50% effort is no way to go through life. Hamilton and Clark are not contributors at this level, never will be and we need a talent infusion beyond the 3 available spots now. This is big boy basketball not a charity. Our goal shouldn't be the bubble and that's what we're looking at next season.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 03:44:14 PM50% effort is no way to go through life. Hamilton and Clark are not contributors at this level, never will be and we need a talent infusion beyond the 3 available spots now. This is big boy basketball not a charity. Our goal shouldn't be the bubble and that's what we're looking at next season.
Nobody has any idea what we're looking at. We have 3 solid starters returning, 2 bench pieces returning, 3 open spots, and a lot of time to have more exits and additions.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 02, 2026, 02:50:16 PMIt seems everyone is obsessed with Miles Byrd but I don't think he should be the priority. He'd help our team a ton and I'd never say no to a player of his caliber, but the guys we need to spend $$$ on are a center and combo guard.
We need a capable ball handler who can take mileage off of Nigel. We're unnatural carnal knowledgeed if he gets injured because he's playing 36 minutes a night. We REALLY need a competent center that has experience. We need Miles Byrd, yes. But MPIII and Owens spot that production well enough that it shouldn't take up valuable resources for the other holes we need to fill.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 02, 2026, 02:50:16 PMIt seems everyone is obsessed with Miles Byrd but I don't think he should be the priority. He'd help our team a ton and I'd never say no to a player of his caliber, but the guys we need to spend $$$ on are a center and combo guard.
We need a capable ball handler who can take mileage off of Nigel. We're unnatural carnal knowledgeed if he gets injured because he's playing 36 minutes a night. We REALLY need a competent center that has experience. We need Miles Byrd, yes. But MPIII and Owens spot that production well enough that it shouldn't take up valuable resources for the other holes we need to fill.
I respectfully disagree although I think we do have these other needs. Byrd gives us a gargantuan piece on both ends of the floor. He's a high, high, impact player that every team covets. If we can get him, you take him. Immediately.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 03:45:41 PMNobody has any idea what we're looking at. We have 3 solid starters returning, 2 bench pieces returning, 3 open spots, and a lot of time to have more exits and additions.
As well as relationships and growth. And likely a slightly different offense due to Coach Smith's departure.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 04:02:22 PMAs well as relationships and growth. And likely a slightly different offense due to Coach Smith's departure.
Victory?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 03:45:41 PMNobody has any idea what we're looking at. We have 3 solid starters returning, 2 bench pieces returning, 3 open spots, and a lot of time to have more exits and additions.
We shall see. Would love to eat crow.
We have 1 awesome starter returning. A decent sophomore and a decent junior.
1 high ceiling junior who hasn't come remotely close to his potential and a sophomore who probably would be best red shirting next season.
I'm not being negative but I think there's a lot of blue and gold goggles evaluating returning talent for next season.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2026, 03:28:44 PMI never said MU shouldn't get a big. I said I prioritize guard depth more highly. And,if I had to make a hypothetical choice between the two, I would choose guard depth.
My hesitancy with your prioritization, Tower, is that you are placing greater emphasis on a potential "if" rather than a current issue. That is, should NJ go down, the current lack of guard depth would indeed be a critical concern. But, right now, our lack of competent big is indeed a critical concern. I find myself worrying than Hamilton, Clark and Sheek will not be up to par more than I worry about NJ going down and other guards not being able to step in. So, my priority is a quality big. Said slightly differently, unless we get a quality big, next year remains likely to be too similar to this year. If NJ is injured, that would be a major blow to the year regardless of who else is on the roster.
I agree with you and others who flag that we have three open places and so it's not one or the other. Except that it sort of is, in that we have limited resources to attract guys from the portal. I'd rather put more money towards a big that can help immediately than a guard who would be available should the need arise. And I presume that quality bigs are more expensive, as they are fewer and more in demand. So, get both, but put greater investment in ensuring that we have the right big man.
I'm also getting out the popcorn to see what Shaka comes up with.
Quote from: mug644 on April 02, 2026, 04:33:53 PMMy hesitancy with your prioritization, Tower, is that you are placing greater emphasis on a potential "if" rather than a current issue. That is, should NJ go down, the current lack of guard depth would indeed be a critical concern. But, right now, our lack of competent big is indeed a critical concern. I find myself worrying than Hamilton, Clark and Sheek will not be up to par more than I worry about NJ going down and other guards not being able to step in. So, my priority is a quality big. Said slightly differently, unless we get a quality big, next year remains likely to be too similar to this year. If NJ is injured, that would be a major blow to the year regardless of who else is on the roster.
I agree with you and others who flag that we have three open places and so it's not one or the other. Except that it sort of is, in that we have limited resources to attract guys from the portal. I'd rather put more money towards a big that can help immediately than a guard who would be available should the need arise. And I presume that quality bigs are more expensive, as they are fewer and more in demand. So, get both, but put greater investment in ensuring that we have the right big man.
I'm also getting out the popcorn to see what Shaka comes up with.
I tend to agree with you but there's a caveat: If you can get a versatile 6'7 guy who can play multiple positions, and guard multiple players when there are switches, that changes everything as far as seeking a back up 1 or 2, or even a 5. You take the most versatile high impact player possible unless we're talking a clear superstar from the portal. Getting a back-up guard or a question mark 5, as opposed to a Miles Byrd because of pure need, would be total insanity.
Nm.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 03:44:14 PM50% effort is no way to go through life. Hamilton and Clark are not contributors at this level, never will be and we need a talent infusion beyond the 3 available spots now. This is big boy basketball not a charity. Our goal shouldn't be the bubble and that's what we're looking at next season.
As Wades detailed, your expectation for the bench is unrealistic. Guys with significant experience and production are not going to transfer here to come off the bench and potentially play limited minutes.
Between one transfer, returnees, and the incoming class, I'm confident the bench will be fine.
I also think you're underestimating the improvements we'll see from the 3 returning starters.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 02, 2026, 04:50:00 PMAs Wades detailed, your expectation for the bench is unrealistic. Guys with significant experience and production are not going to transfer here to come off the bench and potentially play limited minutes.
Between one transfer, returnees, and the incoming class, I'm confident the bench will be fine.
I also think you're underestimating the improvements we'll see from the 3 returning starters.
My point is - there's more of an opportunity for playing time than many here are realizing. We have almost zero bench and two/three starting spots very available.
Not sure how much more production we can expect from Nigel. I don't think Stevens is going to turn into a high usage player over night and parham is going to be solid but I don't see him taking an astronomical jump beyond his production this season. Just my opinion.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 04:57:42 PMMy point is - there's more of an opportunity for playing time than many here are realizing. We have almost zero bench and two/three starting spots very available.
Not sure how much more production we can expect from Nigel. I don't think Stevens is going to turn into a high usage player over night and parham is going to be solid but I don't see him taking an astronomical jump beyond his production this season. Just my opinion.
We have two starting spots available, not three. And Nigel, RP, and Adrien will all be better next year. This is a good triumvirate Panda, you're selling them short.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2026, 05:04:03 PMWe have two starting spots available, not three. And Nigel, RP, and Adrien will all be better next year. This is a good triumvirate Panda, you're selling them short.
I've never seen a fan base so content with talent returning from a terrible team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2026, 05:04:03 PMWe have two starting spots available, not three. And Nigel, RP, and Adrien will all be better next year. This is a good triumvirate Panda, you're selling them short.
Why are you convinced Adrien will start?
I think you will be able to tell whether Adrien is believed to be the starter by the quality of two guard that says yes to MU.
Quote from: swoopem on April 02, 2026, 03:02:28 PMWhat's your confidence level in one leaving? 50/50? 75?
Normally I get ripped when I bring something here, been right so far on 2 leaving, I would say 90 percent somebody else is gone
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 05:06:53 PMI've never seen a fan base so content with talent returning from a terrible team.
Dude,
You can't win when three of your best players are two Frosh & and Soph unless they're burger boys. And if players 4-7 essentially suck, lots of luck to you. They were 3 of our 4 best players last year, and in our best wins were all huge factors. RP was brutal to start the season and got much better. Stevens was thrown into the starting line-up and handled it pretty damn well. Marquette was way, way, way, better and more competitive during the latter half of the season. No one denies the reality that we were terrible last year, but that doesn't mean these 3 aren't a good nucleus. The Spurs sucked under year 1 with Wemby. It can take some time for young players to gel and we have to get a few more pieces. Having a crappy season and immediately assuming players won't improve or that fortifications aren't coming is foolish. Especially with Shaka's job on the line.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 05:11:17 PMWhy are you convinced Adrien will start?
He had many good games, but was super inconsistent. He has shown the ability to defend and knock down the triple. I fully expect a dedicated offseason for the young man and for him to have a strong sophomore campaign.
I believe that Adrien showed enough last year that they are comfortable with him as the starter. It would probably cost a lot to get someone better in the portal........
Certainly I could be wrong but I will be surprised if Stevens isn't a starter next season.
Next few weeks will be interesting.
Ps if you look at Stevens freshman year and compare it to Kam's on sites like Torvik and Miya......it looks slightly better ......and no I'm not projecting AS to have that kind of career......just think he looks like a guy that will keep getting better.
Unless he doesn't and if so I'm sure someone will remind me.....😎
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 05:06:53 PMI've never seen a fan base so content with talent returning from a terrible team.
Have you considered the possibility that you might be the one that's off-base when evaluating the chances of success next season?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2026, 04:45:44 PMI tend to agree with you but there's a caveat: If you can get a versatile 6'7 guy who can play multiple positions, and guard multiple players when there are switches, that changes everything as far as seeking a back up 1 or 2, or even a 5. You take the most versatile high impact player possible unless we're talking a clear superstar from the portal. Getting a back-up guard or a question mark 5, as opposed to a Miles Byrd because of pure need, would be total insanity.
💯, Muggs. MB can guard 1 through 4, he can basically play 1 through 4, ok 2 through 4.
A 7 foot wingspan, and given the gas it often burns to play Shaka's defense, sometimes he will spell Owens, more often vice-versa. He can give Adrien a break and vice-versa. Royce as well.
Byrd is good for at least 2 steals and over a block a game. He can rebound, and when he misses a long defensive board, with quick recovery he can either pick your pocket or block you, off to the races. Like Muggsy said, with Nigel in the backcourt, Byrd really would open things up. He covers a lot of ground with his footwork and quick,long arms on defense and his stride in the open court after a steal is deceptively quick. I think single-handedly he raises MU's KenPom D by at least 20-25 spots, if we signed nobody else. I realize that's still not enough.
Again, my previous point was if the choice is a high-tier 5, plus Minnesale, with no Byrd...or Byrd and only one of the other two, you HAVE to go with MB, he's that big of an impact player! On this MU team, he wouldn't have to raise his offense that much to be a huge positive. He put tons of pressure on himself at SDSU after being named the Preseason POY in the Mountain West, and he underproduced on offense. Playing aside Royce, Nigel, and Adrien would take some of that burden to be "the man" off him. I think he would have a much greater impact than Trent Lockett had on that Buzz team. Of course, he's flying under nobody's radar as that comparison goes.
And again, I don't think there's that huge a difference between the top Center available and the lower rated. The market however, doesn't always reflect that, and MU can get a value 5, which would allow room for Byrd.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 02, 2026, 05:52:16 PMHave you considered the possibility that you might be the one that's off-base when evaluating the chances of success next season?
Given some of the people on the other side of the fence - I've never been more confident in my opinion.
Last 10 games of the regular season, Stevens averaged 12.1 ppg on 49% shooting (46% from 3), and 2.4 steals.
Can we find - and pay for - a transfer who would be able to eclipse that, thereby pushing Adrien to the bench? I suppose ... and I'd be pretty happy to land a guy that good. But given our needs, I have my doubts we'll bring in a guy to supplant him.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2026, 03:45:41 PMNobody has any idea what we're looking at. We have 3 solid starters returning, 2 bench pieces returning, 3 open spots, and a lot of time to have more exits and additions.
Hearing Bizjack. From an unreliable source. Can he handle well enough?
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 06:06:29 PMGiven some of the people on the other side of the fence - I've never been more confident in my opinion.
Which, in turn, makes me super-confident you're wrong.
We'll see.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 02, 2026, 05:58:49 PM💯, Muggs. MB can guard 1 through 4, he can basically play 1 through 4, ok 2 through 4.
A 7 foot wingspan, and given the gas it often burns to play Shaka's defense, sometimes he will spell Owens, more often vice-versa. He can give Adrien a break and vice-versa. Royce as well.
Byrd is good for at least 2 steals and over a block a game. He can rebound, and when he misses a long defensive board, with quick recovery he can either pick your pocket or block you, off to the races. Like Muggsy said, with Nigel in the backcourt, Byrd really would open things up. He covers a lot of ground with his footwork and quick,long arms on defense and his stride in the open court after a steal is deceptively quick. I think single-handedly he raises MU's KenPom D by at least 20-25 spots, if we signed nobody else. I realize that's still not enough.
Again, my previous point was if the choice is a high-tier 5, plus Minnesale, with no Byrd...or Byrd and only one of the other two, you HAVE to go with MB, he's that big of an impact player! On this MU team, he wouldn't have to raise his offense that much to be a huge positive. He put tons of pressure on himself at SDSU after being named the Preseason POY in the Mountain West, and he underproduced on offense. Playing aside Royce, Nigel, and Adrien would take some of that burden to be "the man" off him. I think he would have a much greater impact than Trent Lockett had on that Buzz team. Of course, he's flying under nobody's radar as that comparison goes.
And again, I don't think there's that huge a difference between the top Center available and the lower rated. The market however, doesn't always reflect that, and MU can get a value 5, which would allow room for Byrd.
I couldn't agree more with this analysis. Back up the Brinks Truck, talk to Lemonis if necessary. MB is a perfect fit at MU.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 05:06:53 PMI've never seen a fan base so content with talent returning from a terrible team.
This is so foolish it has to be a troll
Quote from: onepost on April 02, 2026, 06:16:09 PMThis is so foolish it has to be a troll
How many BE teams would Steven's start on next year? Again we can revisit these conversations after rosters are established but I'm not sure it would even be half of the league.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 06:56:02 PMHow many BE teams would Steven's start on next year? Again we can revisit these conversations after rosters are established but I'm not sure it would even be half of the league.
*Stevens
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 04:05:53 PMWe shall see. Would love to eat crow.
We have 1 awesome starter returning. A decent sophomore and a decent junior.
1 high ceiling junior who hasn't come remotely close to his potential and a sophomore who probably would be best red shirting next season.
I'm not being negative but I think there's a lot of blue and gold goggles evaluating returning talent for next season.
I actually don't disagree with your assessment of the returners, but I'd be very curious to hear what you think other tournament caliber teams have. Sure, the Dukes of the world will have multiple excellent, NBA level players. But I could name a number of tournament/top 25 level teams that have "1 awesome player" and a couple of decent returners as you described.
Seems to me that this awful season may have distorted some views of what you actually need to be successful in college basketball. I'm more of the opinion that if you didn't have the worst Center group in Marquette history, the rest of the team was good enough to be half decent this past season.
Quote from: rccola42 on April 02, 2026, 07:22:38 PMSeems to me that this awful season may have distorted some views of what you actually need to be successful in college basketball. I'm more of the opinion that if you didn't have the worst Center group in Marquette history, the rest of the team was good enough to be half decent this past season.
Agreed. In addition, our losses from this year who puts in minutes this past year (e.g., Sean, Tre, Zaide and yes.. Chase and Ben) had some serious issues that will result in 'easy' comps for next season's team. Finding people to shoot at least a bit better than Chase and Ben from three isn't some wild thing.. in fact, would be difficult to find people who you would project to be worse.
Quote from: rccola42 on April 02, 2026, 07:22:38 PMI actually don't disagree with your assessment of the returners, but I'd be very curious to hear what you think other tournament caliber teams have. Sure, the Dukes of the world will have multiple excellent, NBA level players. But I could name a number of tournament/top 25 level teams that have "1 awesome player" and a couple of decent returners as you described.
Seems to me that this awful season may have distorted some views of what you actually need to be successful in college basketball. I'm more of the opinion that if you didn't have the worst Center group in Marquette history, the rest of the team was good enough to be half decent this past season.
Most recently - I think of the '24-'25 team which as things stand, had a far more talented core than what we have now. The team completely ran out of gas after a phenomenal start. Terrible roster construction and no depth were contributing factors to a top team dropping to a 7 seed. The core of this team is nowhere near that experience or talent level of those juniors and seniors.
Quote from: panda on April 02, 2026, 07:29:52 PMMost recently - I think of the '24-'25 team which as things stand, had a far more talented core than what we have now. The team completely ran out of gas after a phenomenal start. Terrible roster construction and no depth were contributing factors to a top team dropping to a 7 seed. The core of this team is nowhere near that experience or talent level of those juniors and seniors.
I'd absolutely disagree regarding talent level.
Royce has a higher ceiling than Jop. Adrien has a higher ceiling than Stevie, IMO. We all see how talented Nigel is.
The question is will they put it all together and when.
Finding a talented player like Oso is the hard part!
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2026, 06:07:22 PMLast 10 games of the regular season, Stevens averaged 12.1 ppg on 49% shooting (46% from 3), and 2.4 steals.
Can we find - and pay for - a transfer who would be able to eclipse that, thereby pushing Adrien to the bench? I suppose ... and I'd be pretty happy to land a guy that good. But given our needs, I have my doubts we'll bring in a guy to supplant him.
Well, it seems like some on this board are convinced Minessale is coming here. Although he's played in a lesser conference, hes been better than Adrien both years. Who knows how that translates to big east play, but the numbers don't lie.
I'd love to have both.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 02, 2026, 03:15:56 PMThis is the kind of two-way player that could really help us. Maybe my favorite option yet outside of Somto. Neither seem particularly likely given they'd both start on 99% of D1 teams, but man that would be a statement of intent.
I'd like to amend my highly unlikely dream 5 list to include this guy in the first spot.
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2039873578561061221?s=46&t=LCzMRL3ptlzrT-YJdOEoUg
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2026, 05:43:50 PMI believe that Adrien showed enough last year that they are comfortable with him as the starter. It would probably cost a lot to get someone better in the portal........
Certainly I could be wrong but I will be surprised if Stevens isn't a starter next season.
Next few weeks will be interesting.
Ps if you look at Stevens freshman year and compare it to Kam's on sites like Torvik and Miya......it looks slightly better ......and no I'm not projecting AS to have that kind of career......just think he looks like a guy that will keep getting better.
Unless he doesn't and if so I'm sure someone will remind me.....😎
I think this statement pretty much explains why Stevens is likely to start next year. With limited resources and crucial needs in terms of a quality big and then point guard depth, I hope Shaka won't spend the money to 'over recruit' Adrien.
If Minessale is to come, my guess is that he won't be as high price as others in the portal, and he will be seen as versatile contributor, not a guaranteed starter.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 02, 2026, 08:31:08 PMWell, it seems like some on this board are convinced Minessale is coming here. Although he's played in a lesser conference, hes been better than Adrien both years. Who knows how that translates to big east play, but the numbers don't lie.
I'd love to have both.
Yes to all of that.
Who knows how playing at St. Thomas translates into playing in the Big East (even if the Tommies are honorary BE members)?
And I'd be happy with both.
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2026, 06:07:22 PMLast 10 games of the regular season, Stevens averaged 12.1 ppg on 49% shooting (46% from 3), and 2.4 steals.
Can we find - and pay for - a transfer who would be able to eclipse that, thereby pushing Adrien to the bench? I suppose ... and I'd be pretty happy to land a guy that good. But given our needs, I have my doubts we'll bring in a guy to supplant him.
Putting a lot of faith in the last ten games can be foolish. I guess we will see.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 09:14:34 PMPutting a lot of faith in the last ten games can be foolish. I guess we will see.
I don't disagree with that.
But I do think it's notable that he didn't even become starter until the 10th game, and then I'm guessing there was an acclimation period as his minutes and usage gradually increased.
For a larger sample size ...
Over his last 17 games - starting with his first 30-minute outing - he averaged 10 ppg on 46% shooting (41% from 3), and 1.8 steals. Still pretty good for a freshman who played progressively better as the season went on IMHO.
Again, I know for certain that there will be better guards in the portal. I'm less certain that Shaka will choose to afford one of those when he's assessing how he wants to divvy up the $$$ pie.
I do not know who will be better, Stevens or Minnesale, let them play it out. You need 3 good guards, MU had zero depth last year, bench sucked. Not even sure he is coming to MU or not. April is going to be fun
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 09:14:34 PMPutting a lot of faith in the last ten games can be foolish. I guess we will see.
We actually agree on this.
Stevens is a way better 3-pt shooter. Minessale is a career 30% pt shooter is a low level mid-major league. Everyone bitched about Chase and Ben this past season from 3. NS is not much better.
Quote from: Wade-A-Minute on April 03, 2026, 12:55:41 PMStevens is a way better 3-pt shooter. Minessale is a career 30% pt shooter is a low level mid-major league. Everyone bitched about Chase and Ben this past season from 3. NS is not much better.
If we're judging basketball players by 3pt% alone, we've got bigger problems.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 03, 2026, 01:07:26 PMIf we're judging basketball players by 3pt% alone, we've got bigger problems.
Pretty sure everyone did that for Ben
Not sure why we would be comparing Minessale to Ben.......
Ben took almost twice as many 3s as he did 2s.....rarely got to the free throw line and was a low usage player
Minessale took twice as many 2s as 3s.....got to the free throw line a lot.....and was a high usage guy.
One was 4/5 the other is a guard/wing
Certainly the question will be how does his game translate to a higher level but that is the case with lots of transfers.
If you average around 20 a game and do not hit a bunch of threes, you must know how to get to the rim or have a midrange game. I have only seen at a gym once, my thought at that time was, why did MU not over him a scholarship. I was impressed with his hops and physically built body.
Offer not
Over
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 03, 2026, 01:59:52 PMPretty sure everyone did that for Ben
I don't judge Ben by his 3pt%. A judge the coaching staff for having a guy with his 3pt% take about two-thirds of his shots from three.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 04:46:07 PMI don't judge Ben by his 3pt%. A judge the coaching staff for having a guy with his 3pt% take about two-thirds of his shots from three.
He had no post game, so it was threes and drives. He was a good driver this year. But he didn't make any threes, so it was tougher to drive.
Whether they should have worked on his post game is another discussion.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 04:46:07 PMI don't judge Ben by his 3pt%. A judge the coaching staff for having a guy with his 3pt% take about two-thirds of his shots from three.
I appreciate him going out there and giving his all with an early season rib injury and bone spurs on his ankles requiring surgery.
Alas, he always had nagging injuries during his two seasons as a starter.
Quote from: tower912 on April 03, 2026, 04:50:51 PMI appreciate him going out there and giving his all with an early season rib injury and bone spurs on his ankles requiring surgery.
Alas, he always had nagging injuries during his two seasons as a starter.
Agree. And Ben's bone spurs were
real.
Quote from: tower912 on April 03, 2026, 04:50:51 PMI appreciate him going out there and giving his all with an early season rib injury and bone spurs on his ankles requiring surgery.
Alas, he always had nagging injuries during his two seasons as a starter.
And a Scooper always willing to make excuses for him as well.
Guilty of facts.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 04:46:07 PMI don't judge Ben by his 3pt%. A judge the coaching staff for having a guy with his 3pt% take about two-thirds of his shots from three.
Most of the time 3 point percentages will revert somewhere in the neighborhood of career averages......so when a guy starts off struggling coaches want them to keep shooting good shots ....shots that they have a history of knocking down........it's one thing to have Tre Norman take a bunch of 3s.........that would be malpractice.........the previous 2 seasons Ben shot 36 and 37% from 3.
He had a terrible shooting season............it sucks but it does happen...........Kam and Jop both shot well below career norms as seniors.........you can't just tell them to stop shooting.
Facts are misleading? Unusual stance for you.
True or False? Ben Gold had a series of injuries during his final two seasons at MU?
Quote from: tower912 on April 03, 2026, 06:49:39 PMFacts are misleading? Unusual stance for you.
True or False? Ben Gold had a series of injuries during his final two seasons at MU?
How many D1 basketball players aren't dealing with nagging injuries by the end of the season?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 07:10:34 PMHow many D1 basketball players aren't dealing with nagging injuries by the end of the season?
Yep.
Quote from: MuMark on April 03, 2026, 06:26:49 PMMost of the time 3 point percentages will revert somewhere in the neighborhood of career averages......so when a guy starts off struggling coaches want them to keep shooting good shots ....shots that they have a history of knocking down........it's one thing to have Tre Norman take a bunch of 3s.........that would be malpractice.........the previous 2 seasons Ben shot 36 and 37% from 3.
I understand your point, and I don't entirely disagree.
But I think at some point the staff needed to acknowledge that "Ben ain't got it this year" rather than hope that 20+ games into the season he's going to find his stroke. We're not talking about an elite shooter here. Even at his best, he was average.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 07:24:30 PMI understand your point, and I don't entirely disagree.
But I think at some point the staff needed to acknowledge that "Ben ain't got it this year" rather than hope that 20+ games into the season he's going to find his stroke. We're not talking about an elite shooter here. Even at his best, he was average.
Ok I would just say.....36-37% is a good solid 3 point shooter.........definitely not elite but above average.
I just don't think any coach is going to tell a senior who has made a bunch of 3s at a good percentage to stop shooting.........but maybe some do.
Any coaches in the house? 😎
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 07:10:34 PMHow many D1 basketball players aren't dealing with nagging injuries by the end of the season?
Word, pickleball players too. Same guys, athletically.
Quote from: MuMark on April 03, 2026, 07:36:48 PMOk I would just say.....36-37% is a good solid 3 point shooter.........definitely not elite but above average.
I just don't think any coach is going to tell a senior who has made a bunch of 3s at a good percentage to stop shooting.........but maybe some do.
Any coaches in the house? 😎
36-37% may look good compared to an average player, but it's much less so compared with players who take a high volume of 3s.
In Gold's best season - 37% - he averaged 4.2 three attempts per game.
Compared with MU players who averaged 4+ per game over the past decade:
M. Howard (2016-27): 55%
S. Hauser (2017-18): 49%
A. Rowsey (2016-27): 45%
S. Hauser (2016-17): 45%
A. Rowsey (2017-18): 42%
M. Howard (2019-20): 41%
K. Jones (2023-24): 41%
M. Howard (2017-18): 40%
M. Howard (2018-19): 40%
S. Hauser (2018-19): 40%
D. Joplin (2022-23): 40%
S. Anim (2019-20): 39%
K. Jones (2021-22): 39%
B. Bailey (2019-20): 38%
K. Reinhardt (2016-17): 38%
B. Gold (2024-25): 37%D. Joplin (2023-24): 36%
K. Jones (2022-23): 36%
J. Lewis (2021-22): 35%
D. Morsell (2021-22): 35%
K. McEwen (2020-21): 34%
D. Joplin (2024-25): 32%
K. Jones (2024-25): 31%
K. McEwen (2019-20): 29%
D. Carton (2020-21): 28%
T. Kolek (2021-22): 28%
B. Gold (2025-26): 26%
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 09:18:31 PM36-37% may look good compared to an average player, but it's much less so compared with players who take a high volume of 3s.
In Gold's best season - 37% - he averaged 4.2 three attempts per game.
Compared with MU players who averaged 4+ per game over the past decade:
M. Howard (2016-27): 55%
S. Hauser (2017-18): 49%
A. Rowsey (2016-27): 45%
S. Hauser (2016-17): 45%
A. Rowsey (2017-18): 42%
M. Howard (2019-20): 41%
K. Jones (2023-24): 41%
M. Howard (2017-18): 40%
M. Howard (2018-19): 40%
S. Hauser (2018-19): 40%
D. Joplin (2022-23): 40%
S. Anim (2019-20): 39%
K. Jones (2021-22): 39%
B. Bailey (2019-20): 38%
K. Reinhardt (2016-17): 38%
B. Gold (2024-25): 37%
D. Joplin (2023-24): 36%
K. Jones (2022-23): 36%
J. Lewis (2021-22): 35%
D. Morsell (2021-22): 35%
K. McEwen (2020-21): 34%
D. Joplin (2024-25): 32%
K. Jones (2024-25): 31%
K. McEwen (2019-20): 29%
D. Carton (2020-21): 28%
T. Kolek (2021-22): 28%
B. Gold (2025-26): 26%
Awesome stats - thanks for posting
Ben always seemed to be perfect for Nevada Smith's O — above avg 3's and should be driving to the basket for dunks and lay ups.
The two never seemed to happen the same year.
Whether injuries or the coaching direction to him - things were different in different years.
If he drove the lane like 2025-26 in the year he shot 37% from 3 — he would have been beloved by all MU fans.
Still happy he spent 4 years in MKE - wish him well in the next chapter.
Quote from: tsciii on April 03, 2026, 09:43:46 PMBen always seemed to be perfect for Nevada Smith's O — above avg 3's and should be driving to the basket for dunks and lay ups.
The two never seemed to happen the same year.
Great point. We saw flashes of so much from Ben, but never all the positives at the same time.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2026, 07:22:36 AMGreat point. We saw flashes of so much from Ben, but never all the positives at the same time.
NBA bound?
Ben's gone, he was what he was. Let it be.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2026, 09:18:31 PM36-37% may look good compared to an average player, but it's much less so compared with players who take a high volume of 3s.
In Gold's best season - 37% - he averaged 4.2 three attempts per game.
Compared with MU players who averaged 4+ per game over the past decade:
M. Howard (2016-27): 55%
S. Hauser (2017-18): 49%
A. Rowsey (2016-27): 45%
S. Hauser (2016-17): 45%
A. Rowsey (2017-18): 42%
M. Howard (2019-20): 41%
K. Jones (2023-24): 41%
M. Howard (2017-18): 40%
M. Howard (2018-19): 40%
S. Hauser (2018-19): 40%
D. Joplin (2022-23): 40%
S. Anim (2019-20): 39%
K. Jones (2021-22): 39%
B. Bailey (2019-20): 38%
K. Reinhardt (2016-17): 38%
B. Gold (2024-25): 37%
D. Joplin (2023-24): 36%
K. Jones (2022-23): 36%
J. Lewis (2021-22): 35%
D. Morsell (2021-22): 35%
K. McEwen (2020-21): 34%
D. Joplin (2024-25): 32%
K. Jones (2024-25): 31%
K. McEwen (2019-20): 29%
D. Carton (2020-21): 28%
T. Kolek (2021-22): 28%
B. Gold (2025-26): 26%
Just curious. Where would Novak and Wade stack up? You have a typo as Howard and Rowsey did not play for us for eleven years as nice as that would have been.
Visited MU before picking Tennessee I believe
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2041187374525288895?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 06, 2026, 11:23:07 AMVisited MU before picking Tennessee I believe
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2041187374525288895?s=61
Would gladly take him at MU.
Quote from: MuMark on April 06, 2026, 11:23:07 AMVisited MU before picking Tennessee I believe
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2041187374525288895?s=61
Interesting that he visited, I don't remember that. He might move up to the top of my list of potential targets.
Tennessee couldn't keep him........💰
https://x.com/williampatteson/status/2041189985844334666?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 06, 2026, 11:29:16 AMTennessee couldn't keep him........💰
https://x.com/williampatteson/status/2041189985844334666?s=61
NC State
Quote from: MuMark on April 06, 2026, 11:23:07 AMVisited MU before picking Tennessee I believe
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2041187374525288895?s=61
Holy Cow — dude had Official Visits to about 6 schools and offers from 23
We didn't make Rothsteins Preseason Top 45.
Won't this horrible run ever end!
https://x.com/i/status/2041357334287417622
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 06, 2026, 11:11:00 PMWe didn't make Rothsteins Preseason Top 45.
Won't this horrible run ever end!
https://x.com/i/status/2041357334287417622
We should fold the program.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 06, 2026, 11:14:17 PMWe should fold the program.
Well embedded moles are telling me that is not an option.
Why would MU be rated higher, sure they have some talent, but with no experience at key positions right now, they might be as bad as last year. Next few weeks will tell what the future is all about
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 06, 2026, 11:35:01 PMWhy would MU be rated higher, sure they have some talent, but with no experience at key positions right now, they might be as bad as last year. Next few weeks will tell what the future is all about
Almost like rankings for next year are a complete waste of time right now.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2026, 09:50:22 AMAlmost like rankings for next year are a complete waste of time right now.
It's clickbait... So that's exactly what it is.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 06, 2026, 11:35:01 PMWhy would MU be rated higher, sure they have some talent, but with no experience at key positions right now, they might be as bad as last year. Next few weeks will tell what the future is all about
As presently constructed, would any MU fan (much less the media) think they are a top 50 team?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 07, 2026, 09:54:17 AMAs presently constructed, would any MU fan (much less the media) think they are a top 50 team?
There are some here who seem to think they'd be top 25.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 07, 2026, 09:54:17 AMAs presently constructed, would any MU fan (much less the media) think they are a top 50 team?
Yeah but what's "presently constructed" isn't what's going to be taking the court in November for almost every team. It's a useless exercise.
Mustapha Thiam in the portal.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 07, 2026, 10:01:24 AMThere are some here who seem to think they'd be top 25.
No one here thinks that.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 07, 2026, 10:01:24 AMThere are some here who seem to think they'd be top 25.
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Names and quotes, please.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 07, 2026, 10:01:24 AMThere are some here who seem to think they'd be top 25.
No one thinks that.
But there are some here who seem to think they'd be #350. And that's if everything goes right this offseason. Which it won't. Because ... woe is us!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 07, 2026, 10:04:45 AMYeah but what's "presently constructed" isn't what's going to be taking the court in November for almost every team. It's a useless exercise.
I agree with that. Just pointing out that if you are doing the 'fool's errand' of a "way too early" ranking, MU should not be considered right now.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 07, 2026, 11:27:35 AMI agree with that. Just pointing out that if you are doing the 'fool's errand' of a "way too early" ranking, MU should not be considered right now.
I don't participate in fool's errands. I take my off-season roster building very seriously.
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2026, 11:20:47 AMNo one thinks that.
But there are some here who seem to think they'd be #350. And that's if everything goes right this offseason. Which it won't. Because ... woe is us!
No one thinks that. There's probably a lot that think if we don't make significant additions, we'll miss the tournament again.
Quote from: LAZER on April 07, 2026, 11:38:34 AMNo one thinks that. There's probably a lot that think if we don't make significant additions, we'll miss the tournament again.
I know that. I was countering Zog's silly hyperbole with my own.
Oh, I also think if we don't make significant additions, we'll miss the tournament again. And I'm one of Scoop's biggest optimists.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2026, 10:36:45 AMNo one here thinks that.
I'm confident in our ability to land a meaningful wing and center (and 6th man) in the portal so I genuinely do think we'll be a top 25 team
Quote from: onepost on April 07, 2026, 11:57:21 AMI'm confident in our ability to land a meaningful wing and center (and 6th man) in the portal so I genuinely do think we'll be a top 25 team
Same. Probably not preseason top 25, but the talent to be there during the season for sure.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 06, 2026, 11:14:17 PMWe should fold the program.
Once the Big East TV contract expires we'll see how valued the league is first.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 07, 2026, 12:49:56 PMOnce the Big East TV contract expires we'll see how valued the league is first.
You know when you have an opportunity to fret about a future situation that may or may not happen.....6 years down the road.....you just have to take it!
Donnie Freeman to portal. We were in on him before. Talented wing.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 07, 2026, 01:45:53 PMDonnie Freeman to portal. We were in on him before. Talented wing. ;D
Freeman is a former Top 10 recruit and was offered by MU. He is also on some mock drafts.
Rumor is he wants to return home to DC, so Maryland is probably the favorite if they have the NIL. He will be one of the highest ranked portal players this year.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 07, 2026, 12:49:56 PMOnce the Big East TV contract expires we'll see how valued the league is first.
It was literally negotiated just a couple of years ago.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 07, 2026, 12:49:56 PMOnce the Big East TV contract expires we'll see how valued the league is first.
Jesus Christ
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 07, 2026, 12:49:56 PMOnce the Big East TV contract expires we'll see how valued the league is first.
You never fail to disappoint, eeyore69. Well done.
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Quote from: The Sultan on April 07, 2026, 02:13:25 PMIt was literally negotiated just a couple of years ago.
Has the new extension even started yet?
Guys, what's #mubb's plan when the sun dies? Are we even planning for the next 5 billion years.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 07, 2026, 02:25:15 PMHas the new extension even started yet?
This year was the first.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 20, 2026, 09:17:40 PMShaka isn't going to abandon both his beloved RGV brand and the poster child of it. Having Caedin hit the road and staring for Humbolt State next year is the umtimate sign RGV failed.
He couldn't find the floor for Humbolt State's team....Are you kidding me....
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2026, 02:26:31 PMGuys, what's #mubb's plan when the sun dies? Are we even planning for the next 5 billion years.
You can bet St John's and UConn have a plan for this. The gap widens.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2026, 02:26:31 PMGuys, what's #mubb's plan when the sun dies? Are we even planning for the next 5 billion years.
depending on how today goes, might not even have to plan for next season
Shaka is killing it in the portal so far. No leaks.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 07, 2026, 02:52:27 PMdepending on how today goes, might not even have to plan for next season
True. No civilization and the TV contracts won't matter.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 07, 2026, 03:25:20 PMShaka is killing it in the portal so far. No leaks.
Is this source of yours also how you know Clark is gone?