MUScoop

This is probably one you will all want to listen to.

A question is asked of last week's statement of evolving relating to the rosters of college basketball (just after the 9:35 mark). Shaka gave a near 3 minute answer in what is probably a must listen for Marquette fans right now. Possible exciting times ahead.

https://youtu.be/7pq3kDQfuVA?si=hYwWoeAWht3NmjxA

Yup. This was the public commitment to using the portal that dozens of Scoopers had been demanding.

Pitino with a swipe at Catholics in his presser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIa1rGtpmUU

4:16

Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on February 19, 2026, 12:16:54 AMThis is probably one you will all want to listen to.

A question is asked of last week's statement of evolving relating to the rosters of college basketball (just after the 9:35 mark). Shaka gave a near 3 minute answer in what is probably a must listen for Marquette fans right now. Possible exciting times ahead.

https://youtu.be/7pq3kDQfuVA?si=hYwWoeAWht3NmjxA

I think JB should be happy that he corrected the "medical redshirt" terminology.

Quote from: ski44 on February 19, 2026, 01:49:58 AMPitino with a swipe at Catholics in his presser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIa1rGtpmUU

4:16

What was being chanted at Hopkins ?

Quote from: Johnny B on February 19, 2026, 08:03:27 AMWhat was being chanted at Hopkins ?

Pretty sure it was "Duncan Powell".  Which is certainly a choice.

Quote from: ski44 on February 19, 2026, 01:49:58 AMPitino with a swipe at Catholics in his presser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIa1rGtpmUU

4:16

He wasn't taking a swipe at Catholics. He was taking a swipe at Marquette students by claiming they aren't Catholic on Ash Wednesday.

You know...from that renowned pious Catholic Rick Pitino.

Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on February 19, 2026, 12:16:54 AMThis is probably one you will all want to listen to.

A question is asked of last week's statement of evolving relating to the rosters of college basketball (just after the 9:35 mark). Shaka gave a near 3 minute answer in what is probably a must listen for Marquette fans right now. Possible exciting times ahead.

https://youtu.be/7pq3kDQfuVA?si=hYwWoeAWht3NmjxA

Honestly.... this speach was not good...

Really, the issue with this roster is the lack of Sean Jones? Sean Jones, who made worse when he was playing, that Sean jones?

And the focus is on retention? Of which players? If you are focusing on retaining all, you're doing something wrong.

This staff is poor at self evaluations.

Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2026, 12:26:43 AMYup. This was the public commitment to using the portal that dozens of Scoopers had been demanding.

Actually he explicitly stated that the emphasis would be on retention, especially our young talented guys (wink wink that is where most of our revenue share and NIL money will be going). I am not convinced he is actually excited to make the changes required to turn the program around from that interview. If we do not get at least 4 portal players in the off season to support our young guys he is not making a sincere commitment. We shall see.

jf you beat me to it.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 08:13:31 AMHonestly.... this speach was not good...

Really, the issue with this roster is the lack of Sean Jones? Sean Jones, who made worse when he was playing, that Sean jones?

And the focus is on retention? Of which players? If you are focusing on retaining all, you're doing something wrong.

This staff is poor at self evaluations.

It's laughable that is what you took away from his comments and it's very difficult to take you seriously. 

His comment about Jones was innocuous yet you're twisting it to something ludicrous. 

Next, of course retention of your best player has to be a priority this offseason and going forward.  And that primarily means Nigel, Royce, and Adrien.  There's nothing remotely confusing about that comment.

And then you conveniently ignore that he:

1) Said he was excited about the process. He likely feels that he has been freed from his self-imposed restrictions

2) They are going to use metrics to fill gaps.  Understand what the returnees down well and how to best supplement those skill sets in the portal. 

Get some help, dude. 

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:16:22 AMActually he explicitly stated that the emphasis would be on retention, especially our young talented guys (wink wink that is where most of our revenue share and NIL money will be going). I am not convinced he is actually excited to make the changes required to turn the program around from that interview. If we do not get at least 4 portal players in the off season to support our young guys he is not making a sincere commitment. We shall see.

jf you beat me to it.

See my comment above for your bonkers take, as well. 

Also, saying if he doesn't take 4 transfers that he's not sincere about his "commitment" is DUMB.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 08:13:31 AMHonestly.... this speach was not good...

Really, the issue with this roster is the lack of Sean Jones? Sean Jones, who made worse when he was playing, that Sean jones?

And the focus is on retention? Of which players? If you are focusing on retaining all, you're doing something wrong.

This staff is poor at self evaluations.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:16:22 AMActually he explicitly stated that the emphasis would be on retention, especially our young talented guys (wink wink that is where most of our revenue share and NIL money will be going). I am not convinced he is actually excited to make the changes required to turn the program around from that interview. If we do not get at least 4 portal players in the off season to support our young guys he is not making a sincere commitment. We shall see.

jf you beat me to it.

Do you guys not really understand nuance?

Of course he is going to prioritize retaining the players they want to retain. But when he says "rosters are built differently than two or three years ago," what do you think he means by that?  And then after his retention statement he says "around them we need to look at what's best for Marquette basketball." And then claims to be excited about that and excited to see how they can improve the team in "different ways."

What do you think he's talking about here? Did you really expect him to say "we are going to take numerous transfers" or something similar? Of course that's what he's talking about.

Honestly, I think that question was planted so he could give this response.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 08:23:41 AMDo you guys not really understand nuance?

Of course he is going to prioritize retaining the players they want to retain. But when he says "rosters are built differently than two or three years ago," what do you think he means by that?  And then after his retention statement he says "around them we need to look at what's best for Marquette basketball." And then claims to be excited about that and excited to see how they can improve the team in "different ways."

What do you think he's talking about here? Did you really expect him to say "we are going to take numerous transfers" or something similar? Of course that's what he's talking about.

Honestly, I think that question was planted so he could give this response.

That is not nuance. He is prioritizing how the resources will be spent and that means not spending the resources to get the best transfers to help the team. If he were serious he would prioritize both, if he is serious about what is good for the program, which he did not explicitly say. Additionally, all this "nuance" leads me to believe he has not had those tough conversations with the players that need to take place.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:16:22 AMActually he explicitly stated that the emphasis would be on retention, especially our young talented guys (wink wink that is where most of our revenue share and NIL money will be going). I am not convinced he is actually excited to make the changes required to turn the program around from that interview. If we do not get at least 4 portal players in the off season to support our young guys he is not making a sincere commitment. We shall see.

jf you beat me to it.

At least 4? lol what you want 6 transfers? We ain't getting 4 transfers pal.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:42:21 AMThat is not nuance. He is prioritizing how the resources will be spent and that means not spending the resources to get the best transfers to help the team. If he were serious he would prioritize both, if he is serious about what is good for the program, which he did not explicitly say. Additionally, all this "nuance" leads me to believe he has not had those tough conversations with the players that need to take place.

You expect these "conversations" to happen during the season?

Feel like it helps me breathe a sigh of relief. Been a rough year, but at least the usual late season fade has turned into some more optimism instead. Feel like the core players in James, Parham and Stevens give me hope Shaka will supplement properly and let them grow as the cornerstones for this team. Also hopeful some of the redshirts/frosh incomers are hits and Shaka just had a couple of down years recruiting.

Im confused.  Would people prefer we allocate funds to transfers first and not retain Nigel and Royce?  I sure wouldnt bet on finding better players than them in the portal.

We're going to add some good players from the portal to supplement them and take some of the scoring pressure off of them, not replace them.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 08:46:43 AMYou expect these "conversations" to happen during the season?

Sure, why not. Most of those player are not getting much playing time as it is. If you think it will the affect the season adversely it can't get much worse.

Quote from: JTJ3 on February 19, 2026, 08:50:05 AMIm confused.  Would people prefer we allocate funds to transfers first and not retain Nigel and Royce?  I sure wouldnt bet on finding better players than them in the portal.

We're going to add some good players from the portal to supplement them and take some of the scoring pressure off of them, not replace them.

It should not be either/or but both which was not inferred.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:58:34 AMSure, why not. Most of those player are not getting much playing time as it is. If you think it will the affect the season adversely it can't get much worse.

That's just not how things work. The only potential "conversation" about next season would have been with, and initiated by, Sean if he's planning on applying for an additional year of eligibility.

Don't know if he's having the "conversations" as yet or whether he's holding off until
the season is over. It certainly does sound like he and the staff are making themselves aware of the "metrics" and what they need/want. I am sure that they are zeroing in on the kind of players they want, and with his reference to character, perhaps some of the kind of people they want.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:42:21 AMThat is not nuance. He is prioritizing how the resources will be spent and that means not spending the resources to get the best transfers to help the team. If he were serious he would prioritize both, if he is serious about what is good for the program, which he did not explicitly say. Additionally, all this "nuance" leads me to believe he has not had those tough conversations with the players that need to take place.

You are reading way too much into this. He is going to target retaining his guys - Nigel, Adrien, Royce, etc. That's what every coach does. They are going to see what is needed and hit the market.

My guess is that Shaka has a pretty clear understanding of who is going to be here next year and who isn't. They may have already had those conversations! But he isn't going to announce anything to the public in a post game presser when the season isn't even over. Are you kidding me?

Y'all are not seeing the forest through the trees here. It is clear, both from the comments Saturday and Shaka's comments yesterday, that they are hitting the portal. That's what everyone has said they wanted, but now because he isn't saying it the way you want, you're going to get on him for that?

Just nutty stuff.

Happy to see Shaka is willing to adjust and he's not, as some here suggested, willing to take his ball and go home.
Annoyed it took a 20-loss season for him to acknowledge something some of us saw coming two years ago.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 08:13:31 AMHonestly.... this speach was not good...

Really, the issue with this roster is the lack of Sean Jones? Sean Jones, who made worse when he was playing, that Sean jones?

And the focus is on retention? Of which players? If you are focusing on retaining all, you're doing something wrong.

This staff is poor at self evaluations.

Come on man, you can read between the lines. This is about as close as a head coach can come to saying our upperclassmen are crap and that they are prioritizing building around the young core. He's not just going to name names like "Chase Ross has been a huge disappointment. Ben Gold is bad."

Not sure how many others ways they can signal they will use the transfer portal and push out (for lack of better term) dead weight. If that doesn't happen then I think most everyone will agree its time to part ways, but that is clearly not the current messaging coming from the AD or head coach.

Quote from: Tha Hound on February 19, 2026, 10:19:18 AMCome on man, you can read between the lines. This is about as close as a head coach can come to saying our upperclassmen are crap and that they are prioritizing building around the young core. He's not just going to name names like "Chase Ross has been a huge disappointment. Ben Gold is bad."

Not sure how many others ways they can signal they will use the transfer portal and push out (for lack of better term) dead weight. If that doesn't happen then I think most everyone will agree its time to part ways, but that is clearly not the current messaging coming from the AD or head coach.

Shaka Smart is no Jerome Tang.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:42:21 AMThat is not nuance. He is prioritizing how the resources will be spent and that means not spending the resources to get the best transfers to help the team. If he were serious he would prioritize both, if he is serious about what is good for the program, which he did not explicitly say. Additionally, all this "nuance" leads me to believe he has not had those tough conversations with the players that need to take place.

In regard to retention, try to use some common sense.

We have 3 really good underclassmen already in house, one of which looks like he could be a superstar. 

Shaka and staff have built relationships over years with these players.  They have bought into Marquette and its culture. 

Yet you don't think prioritizing these guys, who look like they can be difference makers, is the right decision?

What do you think similar players like that will get in the transfer portal market?  How many schools would Shaka be competing with for players like that?  And what do you think the NIL offers will be? Not prioritizing keeping your best young players is just such an inane, illogical notion. 

Also, I don't know what Marquette's NIL budget is but it is not unlimited.  They staff has to prioritize.  Now that doesn't mean they won't spend in the portal and it certainly doesn't mean they can't find some really good players to fill the gaps around what is coming back.

Marquette doesn't have to add highly-paid stars via the portal to be really good next season. If they do, great...but it is not necessary.   

I can also guarantee he's had some conversations already with players.  You think Sean Jones thinks he's coming back next season?  It couldn't be any more obvious that he's been held out so he could potentially get an extra year with via medical hardship. 

I have no doubt he'll use the portal to fill Zaide's spot.  I think the real question is, will he get rid of the dead weight on the roster - Sean, Caedin, Tre, and Josh Clark?  Heck, even DO and Michael Phillips can go.  Neither of them seem like they'll be close to ready to step into much bigger roles next year.

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on February 19, 2026, 11:06:11 AMI have no doubt he'll use the portal to fill Zaide's spot.  I think the real question is, will he get rid of the dead weight on the roster - Sean, Caedin, Tre, and Josh Clark?  Heck, even DO and Michael Phillips can go.  Neither of them seem like they'll be close to ready to step into much bigger roles next year.

There will not be six additional transfers. There won't be four. IMO there will be two.

I'm not gonna insert common sense into what Shaka is saying. He has lacked the ability to self-evaluate the team for nearly 2 years now.
Sean Jones is/was and probably will remain a bad player. Attributing any of the teams' struggles to his absence is laughable and naïve.
Chase Ross is who he has always been. A good/great defender. A decent offensive player in a limited role.
Ben Gold is slightly worse than he has been, but he was always a guy that shot poorly early in seasons and shot better at the end of the year. The only difference is this year he has gotten injured a fair bit.
The rest of the team has young players, which is fine, but they all are bad on defense, and the priority will remain retention according to the coach.
They have not indicated that they intend to "push out" anyone.  In fact Andy Katz's signaling in game made it seem as if Shaka wants to add "a guy", singular.

Until this staff demonstrates that they can self scout. It feels kinda over.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 11:08:49 AMIMO there will be two.

And this will be "two" few.

It doesn't feel good at the momment.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 11:08:49 AMThere will not be six additional transfers. There won't be four. IMO there will be two.

I'll go with 3. 

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 11:10:25 AMI'm not gonna insert common sense into what Shaka is saying. He has lacked the ability to self-evaluate the team for nearly 2 years now.
Sean Jones is/was and probably will remain a bad player. Attributing any of the teams' struggles to his absence is laughable and naïve.
Chase Ross is who he has always been. A good/great defender. A decent offensive player in a limited role.
Ben Gold is slightly worse than he has been, but he was always a guy that shot poorly early in seasons and shot better at the end of the year. The only difference is this year he has gotten injured a fair bit.
The rest of the team has young players, which is fine, but they all are bad on defense, and the priority will remain retention according to the coach.
They have not indicated that they intend to "push out" anyone.  In fact Andy Katz's signaling in game made it seem as if Shaka wants to add "a guy", singular.

Until this staff demonstrates that they can self scout. It feels kinda over.

LOL

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 11:12:09 AMI'll go with 3.

Same.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 11:12:51 AMLOL

They wouldn't be pushing this message two consecutive games if they didn't plan on more transfers and utilizing the portal.

Shaka has always made it very clear what he thinks. He's not always right, but it's easy to tell what he's feeling. He's clearly planning on more departures and bringing some guys in.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 11:12:09 AMI'll go with 3.

Sean for sure. I think one or two of Caedin, Tre, and Josh stick around.

So yeah. 2-3 more out, plus Zaide's spot.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 19, 2026, 08:05:51 AMPretty sure it was "Duncan Powell".  Which is certainly a choice.

Video where you can clearly here the students chant "Duncan Powell" Hopkins said post game he expects that same chant the rest of the year.

https://x.com/FriarFrenzy/status/2024462399579787417

Anything less than 4 will be the end of this staff.

We'll see if they have it in them.

Put me down for 3 portal adds. 

Which means at least 2 departures, but it isnt hard to figure out who it will be.  Would not be shocked either if its 3 or 4 departures, but none of the important young guys will be leaving.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 11:14:57 AMThey wouldn't be pushing this message two consecutive games if they didn't plan on more transfers and utilizing the portal.

Shaka has always made it very clear what he thinks. He's not always right, but he it's easy to tell what he's feeling. He's clearly planning on more departures and bringing some guys in.

Yep, seems very clear to me. 

I can't imagine how anyone could have listened to his comments and think he's going to bring in one guy.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 11:16:06 AMAnything less than 4 will be the end of this staff.

We'll see if they have it in them.

LOL

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 11:16:06 AMAnything less than 4 will be the end of this staff.

We'll see if they have it in them.

This team will need a ton of help next year to compete at the level we expect them to. We also need to cut the deadweight so a replicate of last year and this year don't happen again. Not feeling very confident Shaka has the cajones to have the hard conversations with a bunch of his guys.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 11:12:51 AMLOL

We're gonna finish with a 10-22 record. This staff won't run off anyone. They'll bring in two or three mid level transfers. And we'll go 16-15 next year and miss the tournment again. All because Shaka doesn't feel like evaluating his "guys".

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 11:22:15 AMWe're gonna finish with a 10-22 record. This staff won't run off anyone. They'll bring in two or three mid level transfers. And we'll go 16-15 next year and miss the tournment again. All because Shaka doesn't feel like evaluating his "guys".

Yeah, Shaka's done nothing good here.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 11:11:23 AMAnd this will be "two" few.

It doesn't feel good at the momment.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 11:22:15 AMWe're gonna finish with a 10-22 record. This staff won't run off anyone. They'll bring in two or three mid level transfers. And we'll go 16-15 next year and miss the tournment again. All because Shaka doesn't feel like evaluating his "guys".

Dude, you don't have to be negative about everything. It's OK to remember that Shaka has done a lot of good here.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 11:19:11 AMThis team will need a ton of help next year to compete at the level we expect them to. We also need to cut the deadweight so a replicate of last year and this year don't happen again. Not feeling very confident Shaka has the cajones to have the hard conversations with a bunch of his guys.

As evidenced by his inability to have tough conversations with Ellis, Amadou, Itejere, and Elliot

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 11:17:52 AMLOL

LOL all you want.

If you think only 1-2 transfers will suffice after finishing dead last in the Big East, you might be dumber than willie.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 11:26:04 AMDude, you don't have to be negative about everything. It's OK to remember that Shaka has done a lot of good here.

with transfers and wojo's guys.


Jokes aside, the dude stopped evaluating his roster, and until he starts again we'll remain bad. (hopefully this starts in march)

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 11:28:06 AMLOL all you want.

If you think only 1-2 transfers will suffice after finishing dead last in the Big East, you might be dumber than willie.

Which is why people are saying three.  And Nigel and Royce could be two of the better players in the Big East as soon as next season.  That's a good starting point.  Add in 2 starting level players, 1 rotational level player, hang onto Stevens as well, and see what you have in Egbuonu, Sheek, and how Philips develops, and that COULD be plenty to compete.  It all depends on the caliber of transfer brought in.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 11:32:07 AMwith transfers and wojo's guys.


Jokes aside, the dude stopped evaluating his roster, and until he starts again we'll remain bad. (hopefully this starts in march)

Listen to what he's saying.  He's clearly evaluating the roster now.

Quote from: ski44 on February 19, 2026, 01:49:58 AMPitino with a swipe at Catholics in his presser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIa1rGtpmUU

4:16

Pitino mentioned make your free throws. I'll agree with that.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 11:28:06 AMLOL all you want.

If you think only 1-2 transfers will suffice after finishing dead last in the Big East, you might be dumber than willie.

If we keep all of the key rotation players, and lose Sean and Josh in the process, I think a Kur Kuath like big man, an Omax like wing player, and a nice back up combo guard with experience would defintely be sufficient to get us back into contention.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 19, 2026, 11:32:35 AMWhich is why people are saying three.  And Nigel and Royce could be two of the better players in the Big East as soon as next season.  That's a good starting point.  Add in 2 starting level players, 1 rotational level player, hang onto Stevens as well, and see what you have in Egbuonu, Sheek, and how Philips develops, and that COULD be plenty to compete.  It all depends on the caliber of transfer brought in.

Hamilton, Norman, and Jones are not HM caliber and free up NIL money. They are a better fit at the MM level.

Zaide bounced.

That's 4 spots they should fill via portal.

Having to rely on underclassmen is what led us to this awful record. Why would the staff continue to do that and expect different results? 

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on February 19, 2026, 11:06:11 AMI have no doubt he'll use the portal to fill Zaide's spot.  I think the real question is, will he get rid of the dead weight on the roster - Sean, Caedin, Tre, and Josh Clark?  Heck, even DO and Michael Phillips can go.  Neither of them seem like they'll be close to ready to step into much bigger roles next year.

maybe Sean Jones...otherwise, no one is leaving. Hamilton is getting PT and paid. Same with Tre. Clark? Shaka will retain a guy 7'. Zaide's spot and if Sean moves on. Thus, 2 portal guys, max. 2 plus Nigel, Royce, Stevens, RS' and freshmen might be ok. Might.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 11:08:49 AMThere will not be six additional transfers. There won't be four. IMO there will be two.
[/quot2-3

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 11:08:49 AMThere will not be six additional transfers. There won't be four. IMO there will be two.

2-3 IMO.

Youre assuming guys like Tre and Hamilton would still get paid here next year.

Shakas "evolving" comments were not just about adding guys through the portal.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 11:27:54 AMAs evidenced by his inability to have tough conversations with Ellis, Amadou, Itejere, and Elliot

Each of those players were more blocked than Clark, Hamilton, Jones and Norman for playing time. I could also see him showing loyalty to Jones too. Again just a gut feeling, but we are spinning our wheels if we don't make all of the necessary changes following this catastrophic season

Quote from: Viper on February 19, 2026, 11:42:09 AMHamilton is getting PT and paid. Same with Tre.

Agreed, Shaka has been playing those two more since the portal talk started.  Common sense says that's because he believes in them.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 11:22:15 AMWe're gonna finish with a 10-22 record. This staff won't run off anyone. They'll bring in two or three mid level transfers. And we'll go 16-15 next year and miss the tournment again. All because Shaka doesn't feel like evaluating his "guys".

Sure.

We'll see what happens.  I'm sure you'll be here to admit it if you're proven wrong, right? 

My take...he'll only have the money for NJ, RP & AS if he goes out and get 3 solid portal guys.  He's going to need to spend some to retain some. All booster money will have strings attached. 

"You want to keep Nigel, fine, find someone to pair with him"

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 11:28:06 AMLOL all you want.

If you think only 1-2 transfers will suffice after finishing dead last in the Big East, you might be dumber than willie.

Please remind me where I said 1-2 transfers would suffice, genius. 

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 11:28:06 AMLOL all you want.

If you think only 1-2 transfers will suffice after finishing dead last in the Big East, you might be dumber than willie.

Chase and Ben are gone since they're seniors.  Obviously, Zaide is gone.  I can see one more leaving (Sean), but I'd truly be shocked if it was more than that.  IMO, CH, Tre, and Josh Clark all stick around.  Teams can carry 15 players, and I think Shaka will grab two and roll out with what he has, and the best players will play the majority of the playing time available. 

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 11:56:59 AMAgreed, Shaka has been playing those two more since the portal talk started.  Common sense says that's because he believes in them.

Or, in regard to Caedin, it's because Ben is hurt and Royce was in foul trouble last night. 

As for Norman, he's played 14 and 9 minutes the past two games.  He played 7 and 10 the two games prior to the portal announcement.  This team has no guard depth and Tre has played ok the last few games.  I highly doubt it's any indication he's confident in bringing him back as a key piece next season. 

Shaka does not believe either of those guys will be significant contributors next season and it would be shocking if both are back.  1, maybe. 

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 11:56:59 AMAgreed, Shaka has been playing those two more since the portal talk started.  Common sense says that's because he believes in them.

Or he's trying to get a final read in meaningless games.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 19, 2026, 12:02:49 PMChase and Ben are gone since they're seniors.  Obviously, Zaide is gone.  I can see one more leaving (Sean), but I'd truly be shocked if it was more than that.  IMO, CH, Tre, and Josh Clark all stick around.  Teams can carry 15 players, and I think Shaka will grab two and roll out with what he has, and the best players will play the majority of the playing time available.

Nothin like going from 11th to 8/9th place YoY.

If this is the way the staff decides to go, then YIKES.

I appreciate being admirable, but some of you need a dose of reality when it comes to the talent deficiency on this roster.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 12:00:38 PMPlease remind me where I said 1-2 transfers would suffice, genius.

So angry all the time. Take a Xanax.

Shaka has another year below mid of the conference he's no longer the HC at Marquette. I know that makes you angry, but it's the truth. Sorry, genius.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 10:57:31 AMIn regard to retention, try to use some common sense.

We have 3 really good underclassmen already in house, one of which looks like he could be a superstar. 

Shaka and staff have built relationships over years with these players.  They have bought into Marquette and its culture. 

Yet you don't think prioritizing these guys, who look like they can be difference makers, is the right decision?

What do you think similar players like that will get in the transfer portal market?  How many schools would Shaka be competing with for players like that?  And what do you think the NIL offers will be? Not prioritizing keeping your best young players is just such an inane, illogical notion. 

Also, I don't know what Marquette's NIL budget is but it is not unlimited.  They staff has to prioritize.  Now that doesn't mean they won't spend in the portal and it certainly doesn't mean they can't find some really good players to fill the gaps around what is coming back.

Marquette doesn't have to add highly-paid stars via the portal to be really good next season. If they do, great...but it is not necessary.   

I can also guarantee he's had some conversations already with players.  You think Sean Jones thinks he's coming back next season?  It couldn't be any more obvious that he's been held out so he could potentially get an extra year with via medical hardship. 

Are you kidding? These guys can't win games now. What makes you think they'll win games next season. The in coming class has yet to prove they can play high major D1 ball.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 12:13:51 PMSo angry all the time. Take a Xanax.

Shaka has another year below mid of the conference he's no longer the HC at Marquette. I know that makes you angry, but it's the truth. Sorry, genius.

I'm not remotely angry.  Your idiocy is a little exhausting, though.

Again, remind me where I said 1-2 transfers will suffice.  Don't move the goalposts. 

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on February 19, 2026, 11:06:11 AMI have no doubt he'll use the portal to fill Zaide's spot.  I think the real question is, will he get rid of the dead weight on the roster - Sean, Caedin, Tre, and Josh Clark?  Heck, even DO and Michael Phillips can go.  Neither of them seem like they'll be close to ready to step into much bigger roles next year.

I can't decide whether one or two guys need to go. I'm leaning two right now; can't have 3 of those guys back next year like why..

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 12:16:35 PMI'm not remotely angry.  Your idiocy is a little exhausting, though.

Again, remind me where I said 1-2 transfers will suffice.  Don't move the goalposts.

I find your idiocy amusing as hell. Please keep posting. It's fun as hell to laugh at.

And if they bring in less than 4 transfers, the team will be dogcrap again, and this staff will be fired.

That was the basis of my original point. And the "1-2" was in response to many, many here. Not just you.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 12:19:48 PMAnd if they bring in less than 4 transfers, the team will be dogcrap again, and this staff will be fired.

I'd take the odds on that.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 08:42:21 AMThat is not nuance. He is prioritizing how the resources will be spent and that means not spending the resources to get the best transfers to help the team. If he were serious he would prioritize both, if he is serious about what is good for the program, which he did not explicitly say. Additionally, all this "nuance" leads me to believe he has not had those tough conversations with the players that need to take place.

Wow, you have no clue. You think he is having any tough conversations during the season with the players? Ridiculous.
Many issues will be addressed in March/April. Changes are for sure coming. Until then, relax.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 12:21:44 PMI'd take the odds on that.

If they do, that'd be two straight years of bottom of the conference performance. I don't think that would sit well with those in charge.

I don't think the number of ins need to equal the number of outs necessarily. From a NIL financial standpoint, it might make more sense to drop 4 more players (5 total including Zaide), add 3 new players, and then either leave 2 spots open for a more loaded class next year or fill them with $0 NIL walkons. 15 mouths to feed is a lot, especially for 3rd and 4th year benchwarmers. Maybe they will be fine with a pay cut.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 12:21:44 PMI'd take the odds on that.

I think we run into the same depth issue we've run into the last two seasons if we don't make wholesale changes. Not enough competent players and not enough reinforcements when things don't go our way.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 12:24:34 PMIf they do, that'd be two straight years of bottom of the conference performance. I don't think that would sit well with those in charge.

That's not what you said though.  I'd take the odds that they don't add 4 transfers.  I'd take the odds that their not "dogcrap" (technically a subjective term though).  And I'd take the odds of Shaka getting fired 14 months from now. Think you'll go 0-3.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 12:25:18 PMI think we run into the same depth issue we've run into the last two seasons if we don't make wholesale changes. Not enough competent players and not enough reinforcements when things don't go our way.

There's a balance to it though.  Shaka went all in on development and it clearly didn't work. I don't think swinging to a StJ/KSU model will happen/work either (especially with our budget).  Bring in a couple of players that you know will contribute from day one, and continue to sprinkle in development from the likes of Nash/Alex/Phillips.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 12:26:27 PMThat's not what you said though.  I'd take the odds that they don't add 4 transfers.  I'd take the odds that their not "dogcrap" (technically a subjective term though).  And I'd take the odds of Shaka getting fired 14 months from now. Think you'll go 0-3.

1. I hope they take 4. Did not say they will take 4.
2. I am of the belief they will be bottom of the conference with only 1-2 transfers. If you think otherwise you do not know ball, or have been gaslit into thinking the talent is of HM caliber other than a select few.
3. If they finish bottom of the conference again, the staff would not be retained.

Is it crazy to suggest the quality of transfers matters more than the quantity?
Two high-quality transfers, preferably a big and a 3-and-D wing who are capable of starting for most good P5 programs, would help this team far more than four depth pieces.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 19, 2026, 12:30:33 PMIs it crazy to suggest the quality of transfers matters more than the quantity?
Two high-quality transfers, preferably a big and a 3-and-D wing, would help this team far more than four depth pieces.

Ding, ding ding. That's what Mr. Murph here is not getting. We can take less than 4 transfer and not be a bottom half of the conference team.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 12:12:33 PMNothin like going from 11th to 8/9th place YoY.

If this is the way the staff decides to go, then YIKES.

I appreciate being admirable, but some of you need a dose of reality when it comes to the talent deficiency on this roster.

This is a reality check for you.  What I'm suggesting is what will likely happen, not what I think should happen.

Also, somewhat funny to predict what any team might finish in next year's standings since we haven't even had any off season  ::)

If you think two portal players can't fix the roster (I'd assume a guard and a big) then you're crazy.  Remember, every guy you add to your roster from the portal increases the chance that you lose guys from your team as well.  If Shaka grabs a couple of guards does Adrien or Royce see their minutes impacted by a player who might only be around a year and leave too?

This is what a lot of people here do not think about and do not consider.  Our players could easily portal for better money/opportunity.

If you think keeping Nigel, Royce, and Adrien is a guarantee you're nuts.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 12:29:45 PMThere's a balance to it though.  Shaka went all in on development and it clearly didn't work. I don't think swinging to a StJ/KSU model will happen/work either (especially with our budget).  Bring in a couple of players that you know will contribute from day one, and continue to sprinkle in development from the likes of Nash/Alex/Phillips.

I am not advocating for wholesale changes every year and frankly do not like/appreciate that model. However, when a chunk of your team last place in conference team has proven they cannot hack it, larger than usual changes are necessary.

Now that Shaka has indicated he is now open to using the transfer portal on some level, I am amazed that some people think he should bring in four or five transfers for next year. That is not going to happen.

Shaka knows better than any of us just how much he needs an effective big man. That is bound to be his top priority. But, those just don't grow on trees and the good bigs all have multiple suitors each year.

He also has to find a way to give Nigel James some rest. Either a back-up point guard or a combo guard who can play on the ball for limited stretches is the second priority. Which way he goes probably depends on what is happening with Sean Jones. If Jones wants to come back in a back-up role to NJ, Shaka may well be ok with that. If not, then he has to find a combo guard transfer who can play starter minutes and shoot effectively.

That's probably the end of the transfer list for next year. Yes, a really good wing would be nice, but I just can't see Shaka going that deep into the transfer pool in what is, for all practical purposes, his first time out.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 12:36:37 PMI am not advocating for wholesale changes every year and frankly do not like/appreciate that model. However, when a chunk of your team last place in conference team has proven they cannot hack it, larger than usual changes are necessary.

As long as the players that have proved that can't contribute are 11-15 on the depth chart does it matter?

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 12:07:06 PMOr, in regard to Caedin, it's because Ben is hurt and Royce was in foul trouble last night. 

As for Norman, he's played 14 and 9 minutes the past two games.  He played 7 and 10 the two games prior to the portal announcement.  This team has no guard depth and Tre has played ok the last few games.  I highly doubt it's any indication he's confident in bringing him back as a key piece next season. 

Shaka does not believe either of those guys will be significant contributors next season and it would be shocking if both are back.  1, maybe.

I really hope Shaka gets this right.  He needs to.

But your fantasy version of what he's saying and doing so far doesn't match up with what he's actually saying and doing.

Shaka has always been very clear about his intentions for the team.  I'm suggestion that hasn't changed.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 19, 2026, 12:33:24 PMThis is a reality check for you.  What I'm suggesting is what will likely happen, not what I think should happen.

Also, somewhat funny to predict what any team might finish in next year's standings since we haven't even had any off season  ::)

If you think two portal players can't fix the roster (I'd assume a guard and a big) then you're crazy.  Remember, every guy you add to your roster from the portal increases the chance that you lose guys from your team as well.  If Shaka grabs a couple of guards does Adrien or Royce see their minutes impacted by a player who might only be around a year and leave too?

This is what a lot of people here do not think about and do not consider.  Our players could easily portal for better money/opportunity.

If you think keeping Nigel, Royce, and Adrien is a guarantee you're nuts.

"Remember, every guy you add to your roster from the portal increases the chance that you lose guys from your team as well."

This was the same tiresome reply from previous offseasons. No crap guys can transfer out. That's why priority #1 is always retaining your best talent.

You supplement HS recruiting misses with the portal. This is fact. This is what serious programs do, and is what programs that have been successful over the past few seasons have done. They focus their efforts on retaining their best from HS recruiting, while supplementing the misses with the transfer portal.

This staff had two straight bad recruiting classes. They did not pan out as expected. We've seen that play out in real time this season.

Nigel is not going to transfer out solely because Shaka brought in select guys to compliment him and Royce. What even is that response?

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 12:40:54 PMAs long as the players that have proved that can't contribute are 11-15 on the depth chart does it matter?

Yes - those spots should be held for guys who show promise but may not be ready for the bright lights yet. Or as another poster suggested, leave the spot(s) empty. This isn't a charity - those guys are proven deadweight and will do nothing to change the fortunes of this team/program. Fresh start after this years calamity.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 12:45:02 PMYes - those spots should be held for guys who show promise but may not be ready for the bright lights yet. Or as another poster suggested, leave the spot(s) empty. This isn't a charity - those guys are proven deadweight and will do nothing to change the fortunes of this team/program. Fresh start after this years calamity.

"ding, ding, ding"

Quote from: The Lens on February 19, 2026, 11:58:39 AMMy take...he'll only have the money for NJ, RP & AS if he goes out and get 3 solid portal guys.  He's going to need to spend some to retain some. All booster money will have strings attached. 

"You want to keep Nigel, fine, find someone to pair with him"

Interesting take.  This makes sense to me.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 12:16:16 PMAre you kidding? These guys can't win games now. What makes you think they'll win games next season. The in coming class has yet to prove they can play high major D1 ball.

It's not complicated.

Nigel, Royce and Adrien have already shown considerable improvement in-season.  It's reasonable for them to take another leap this offseason.  And unlike guys like Tre, Sean, Zaide, etc., they've already shown they can compete at this level.

The reason this team is not winning games is because the junior class is  a complete zero and the senior class are a couple of role players miscast as impact guys who have not played well. 

Yes, guys like Sheek and Egbuonu are unknowns but it shouldn't be surprising if they help this team win next year.

And as for the portal, are only highly-paid stars available?  That's a narrow view of what is available in the portal.  You don't have to break the bank to find really good players and really good fits. 

And that's one of the reason Shaka specifically mentioned data/metrics - what are the skillsets that can best fill the needs of this team that the returnees, redshirts, and incoming freshman don't have. 

Someone doesn't have to be a star to to be a good player and significantly impact winning. 

does this mean the Spirit Shop is going to have a huge clearance sale on RGV items? I've been needing some new pint glasses, keychains, and coffee mugs, but $18.00? Come on...

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 12:42:30 PM"Remember, every guy you add to your roster from the portal increases the chance that you lose guys from your team as well."

This was the same tiresome reply from previous offseasons. No crap guys can transfer out. That's why priority #1 is always retaining your best talent.

You supplement HS recruiting misses with the portal. This is fact. This is what serious programs do, and is what programs that have been successful over the past few seasons have done. They focus their efforts on retaining their best from HS recruiting, while supplementing the misses with the transfer portal.

This staff had two straight bad recruiting classes. They did not pan out as expected. We've seen that play out in real time this season.

Nigel is not going to transfer out solely because Shaka brought in select guys to compliment him and Royce. What even is that response?

It's reality.  There is zero guarantee that we retain ANY player on the roster.  Teams will absolutely come for Nigel James.  If you prioritize keeping him, you have less available for others.  This isn't a zero sum game.

Furthermore, guys have to agree to come.  They will want money, and they will want guaranteed playing time.

Sounds really cool and simple to just say, 'grab some really good players from the portal'. 

Literally, every team will be doing that exact same thing.  Marquette isn't exempt from losing players, nor is it a destination that every kid will want to play at.  FURTHERMORE, Prior success is not a guarantee of future results.  A bunch of people here are clamoring for player x or player y.  But a lot of those guys are playing low major ball, and when they move up no one knows if the success continues.

That's all I'm saying.  There are zero guarantees.

I don't care which of the three bottom 5 or so players (including Sean) on this team leave, but it has to happen. If they don't want to go, tough crap, Shaka needs to have that conversation.

From there, bring in at least two immediate impact starters to play alongside our young core. I could see one more mid-level, high upside transfer. That, coupled with the growth of NJ and Parham, should make us very competitive. Basically, the number of transfers doesn't matter, its all about quality. I'd much rather 2 starters than 4 unproven guys.

If we are only in for Kur Kuath-level transfers, it's almost certainly not going to work and Shaka will lose his job. Things are more dire than most here would like to admit. But its fixable!

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 12:45:02 PMYes - those spots should be held for guys who show promise but may not be ready for the bright lights yet. Or as another poster suggested, leave the spot(s) empty. This isn't a charity - those guys are proven deadweight and will do nothing to change the fortunes of this team/program. Fresh start after this years calamity.

So you'd rather run it back with an empty chair than someone who's been in the program for years?

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 12:19:48 PMI find your idiocy amusing as hell. Please keep posting. It's fun as hell to laugh at.

And if they bring in less than 4 transfers, the team will be dogcrap again, and this staff will be fired.

That was the basis of my original point. And the "1-2" was in response to many, many here. Not just you.

I trust you'll show up here and admit you were wrong if this doesn't come to fruition, right? 

And when you say 4 transfers, my assumption is you mean 4 guys that would be in the regular rotation. 

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 12:52:18 PMSo you'd rather run it back with an empty chair than someone who's been in the program for years?

Yes - there is no benefit to keeping any of Hamilton, Clark, Jones, Norman. None are particularly talented, none show much of any potential and none are looked upon as leaders. It's not the nicest thing to say, but there is a reason we are having such a poor season and a lot of it is because of those names.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 12:41:57 PMI really hope Shaka gets this right.  He needs to.

But your fantasy version of what he's saying and doing so far doesn't match up with what he's actually saying and doing.

Shaka has always been very clear about his intentions for the team.  I'm suggestion that hasn't changed.

Fair enough - we'll see what happens.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 12:59:34 PMYes - there is no benefit to keeping any of Hamilton, Clark, Jones, Norman. None are particularly talented, none show much of any potential and none are looked upon as leaders. It's not the nicest thing to say, but there is a reason we are having such a poor season and a lot of it is because of those names.

Very much disagree. Even if it doesn't always show up in a box score, there's a benefit to having experience on the roster.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 01:12:03 PMVery much disagree. Even if it doesn't always show up in a box score, there's a benefit to having experience on the roster.

What benefit does a bunch of deadweight "experience" bring to a team that needs change in a bad way?

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 11:58:22 AMSure.

We'll see what happens.  I'm sure you'll be here to admit it if you're proven wrong, right? 

I won't run to Scoop to say it, but i'll be happy.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 01:16:52 PMWhat benefit does a bunch of deadweight "experience" bring to a team that needs change in a bad way?

That it's not an empty chair. Players can practice and help the underclassmen. They can be called upon, if needed, to perform a role.

To be clear, transfers are needed, but kicking players off the team and only carrying 12-13 scholarship players is a mistake.

Shaka has an idea of how many players he wants to fill out the roster. Cutting 5 players and only filling 2-3 is just leaving meat on the bone. If you have 15 scholarships, you should fill 15 scholarships.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 12:58:13 PMI trust you'll show up here and admit you were wrong if this doesn't come to fruition, right? 

And when you say 4 transfers, my assumption is you mean 4 guys that would be in the regular rotation.

If they bring in only 1-3 players and finish top half of the big east/tourney berth, I'd be ecstatic. Would gladly eat crow for that. I just do not think the roster as currently constructed is built to do that with so little changes. We'd be once again asking true freshman/RS freshman and sophomores to perform at a level they historically don't. I understand you and others disagree, but many were also confident going into this season they'd be much better than what has played out.

What happened to "get old, stay old" that was the foundational piece of Shaka's entire philosophy? Why are we now so confident in relying on youth to compete for top of the BE?

And preferably these hypothetical four would be in the rotation, whether that be starting or off the bench.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 01:27:26 PMThat it's not an empty chair. Players can practice and help the underclassmen. They can be called upon, if needed, to perform a role.

To be clear, transfers are needed, but kicking players off the team and only carrying 12-13 scholarship players is a mistake.

Shaka has an idea of how many players he wants to fill out the roster. Cutting 5 players and only filling 2-3 is just leaving meat on the bone. If you have 15 scholarships, you should fill 15 scholarships.

It wasn't me who brought it up, but taking the last 2 roster spots NIL distribution and using towards useful players on your roster is far more impactful than running Caedin Hamilton and Tre Norman back one more time for old times sake.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 01:28:58 PMIt wasn't me who brought it up, but taking the last 2 roster spots NIL distribution and using towards useful players on your roster is far more impactful than running Caedin Hamilton and Tre Norman back one more time for old times sake.

Would it?  We don't know what those dollar figures are/will be. It's been hinted that the pay structure will be adapting. If they come back, I would bet the farm (not that anyone would have any way to prove/disprove) that Tre and Sean are nowhere near our top earners. If Shaka adjusts to something along the lines of your pay pro-rated to what your expected minutes are and Tre makes less than Sheek would that make you feel better?  I feel like a comment that Shaka made 3-ish off-season's ago is continuing to get a lot of mileage.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 01:27:26 PMThat it's not an empty chair. Players can practice and help the underclassmen. They can be called upon, if needed, to perform a role.

To be clear, transfers are needed, but kicking players off the team and only carrying 12-13 scholarship players is a mistake.

Shaka has an idea of how many players he wants to fill out the roster. Cutting 5 players and only filling 2-3 is just leaving meat on the bone. If you have 15 scholarships, you should fill 15 scholarships.

IMO, you leave at least one spot open for a mid-year pickup - an international player or an early HS grad (what Shaka did for Walker this year). Maybe it's a Euro or Aussie who can contribute immediately too.

I'd be surprised if two of Tre, Caedin, Clark, and Jones are not gone next year.  Would expect 2, would think 3 is more likely than 1 or 0.  Whether Shaka then uses all 3 spots on portal players we'll see, but my guess is yes.

People constantly overrate the need for depth here.  You need 7 good players to be a competitive team.  My preference would be a rotation of 8.

We were a 2 seed two years ago with a sophomore Ben Gold 7th in minutes and a sophomore Sean Jones 8th in minutes, prior to getting injured for the year half way through the season.  Nobody past those guys played more than 10 minutes per game, and Kolek missed a number of games late in the season with injury as well.  We were running a 6 man rotation for a while.  The year before that we won double Big East titles with freshman Sean Jones 8th in mpg at 12.  And people think Gold and Jones are "fat we should've cut" prior to their 4th year in the program, let alone years 1 and 2.

I've consistently brought up Villanova's two national title teams.  6 guys played 27+ mpg, Gillespie played 14, and nobody else was more than 12 on their second title team under Wright, and their first title under Wright they had an 8 man rotation.

Florida won a national title last year with 6 players over 20 mpg, one player just under 15 mpg, and nobody else above 12.  They basically played 7.  You can go on and on looking at how deep national title teams' rotations are.  Some are deeper, but most are 7 or 8.

You don't need 15 Big East rotational players to be competitive in college basketball.  The idea that we need to completely flip the roster is so far from the truth.  Nigel and Royce should be two of the best offensive players in the Big East next year.  Stevens is a proven 3 point shooter, and I trust we'll see an improvement defensively and going to the hoop.  He's definitely a rotational Big East player.  If you get 3 Big East rotational level players, you can easily find Ben Gold/Sean Jones sophomore year level of production from one of Sheek, Egbuonu, Philips, Walker, Miletic, or Owens.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 08:13:31 AMHonestly.... this speach was not good...

Really, the issue with this roster is the lack of Sean Jones? Sean Jones, who made worse when he was playing, that Sean jones?

And the focus is on retention? Of which players? If you are focusing on retaining all, you're doing something wrong.

This staff is poor at self evaluations.

Your inability to grasp any of this is pretty remarkable. Kudos, man.

I've been as critical as anyone of Shaka this season, and found what I felt was his pride and stubbornness with roster building incredibly frustrating in November and December. But this is about as clear a mea culpa as a guy like Shaka will confess in a presser.

The issue is obviously not Sean Jones, it's what directly preceded him talking about Sean Jones: "This year, to be 100% honest, we had some older guys we felt could do more...and they haven't. But the young guys have really stepped forward in a major way." I don't know how much clearer he needs to be for you. Acknowledging Sean's injury is Shaka being a nice guy and highlighting a guy dealing with injury not contributing as opposed to outwardly lambasting the terrible play of Chase Ross, poor play of Ben Gold, vanishing act of Zaide Lowery, irrelevance of Tre Norman. He will literally never do that, ever.

OF COURSE the focus is on our retention of young players...how is that not something you comprehend. He literally says his "evolving" starts with keeping Nigel, Adrien, Royce, and Damarius in the program. "But certainly around them, we have to look at what's best for Marquette basketball and our roster...and I'm excited about that. How we can improve our team in different ways." Like is he speaking a different language here than you?

In my opinion, I think Sean, Tre, and one of Caedin (ideally) or Josh leaves the program: add in Zaide and that leaves 4 openings. I personally think we bring in 3 meaningful contributors to this team and maybe a Nash-type flier as a 4th since we know Shaka likes doing that.

Nigel, Royce, Adrien, Damarius, Michael, Alex, Sheek, Ian, portal guard like Minessale, portal wing like a Leon Bond, portal big man is a team that gives me a LOT of optimism. Thinking that 2026-2027 roster is a bottom dweller is crazy to me. We're led by freshmen and sophomores currently playing blind and with one hand tied behind our back and are taking Nova to the brink twice, St. John's to the brink, Seton Hall to the brink twice, running mid-tier Butler and Creighton out of the gym. Not seeing our growth and projecting a damn good team next year now that we're portaling makes no sense IMO.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 08:19:11 AMIt's laughable that is what you took away from his comments and it's very difficult to take you seriously. 

His comment about Jones was innocuous yet you're twisting it to something ludicrous. 

Next, of course retention of your best player has to be a priority this offseason and going forward.  And that primarily means Nigel, Royce, and Adrien.  There's nothing remotely confusing about that comment.

And then you conveniently ignore that he:

1) Said he was excited about the process. He likely feels that he has been freed from his self-imposed restrictions

2) They are going to use metrics to fill gaps.  Understand what the returnees down well and how to best supplement those skill sets in the portal. 

Get some help, dude.

Yup. It's amazing that people watched that and came out of it with anything else.

He is going to keep James and Parham (and likely Stevens) come hell or high water, and he is then going to bolster the roster by using the portal.

Any other take is just kvetching for the sake of it. Jeesh.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 19, 2026, 12:30:33 PMIs it crazy to suggest the quality of transfers matters more than the quantity?
Two high-quality transfers, preferably a big and a 3-and-D wing who are capable of starting for most good P5 programs, would help this team far more than four depth pieces.

I don't think you necessarily need big money guys. A big like Jones or Traore at Butler would instantly improve our projected line-up for next year (James, Stevens, Parham, not sure who would be a the 3. Maybe Owens). Neither are stars, neither cost Butler a lot, but they'd be a significant upgrade from what we are looking at for experience at the 5 next year (assuming one or both come back) and help Sheek develop. I don't think we need to buy a Tarris Reed, Jr. or Hunter Dickenson type at the 5...but I wouldn't be opposed.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 12:16:16 PMAre you kidding? These guys can't win games now. What makes you think they'll win games next season. The in coming class has yet to prove they can play high major D1 ball.

Justin Lewis, Oso and Greg Elliott couldn't win games in 2020-21. Yet Shaka surrounded those players with quality transfers and they made the tournament the next year.

Don't you think that putting some quality around the core of Royce, NJ and Adrien can result in a better team? I sure think so...

Quote from: MU82 on February 19, 2026, 02:04:34 PMYup. It's amazing that people watched that and came out of it with anything else.

He is going to keep James and Parham (and likely Stevens) come hell or high water, and he is then going to bolster the roster by using the portal.

Any other take is just kvetching for the sake of it. Jeesh.

James, Parham and Stevens will be priorities for retention. If I had to guess, Phillips and the redshirts would be next. I don't see Owens as being at the same level in terms of priority. Great athlete but plays like Poppin Fresh.

Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 19, 2026, 01:27:29 PMIf they bring in only 1-3 players and finish top half of the big east/tourney berth, I'd be ecstatic. Would gladly eat crow for that. I just do not think the roster as currently constructed is built to do that with so little changes. We'd be once again asking true freshman/RS freshman and sophomores to perform at a level they historically don't. I understand you and others disagree, but many were also confident going into this season they'd be much better than what has played out.

What happened to "get old, stay old" that was the foundational piece of Shaka's entire philosophy? Why are we now so confident in relying on youth to compete for top of the BE?

And preferably these hypothetical four would be in the rotation, whether that be starting or off the bench.

First, what changes the equation to me is Nigel, Royce, and Adrien.  They are proving with each game they can be counted on next season and beyond.

Royce will be an upper classmen. Nigel might be pre-season All Big East 1st or 2nd team next season as a sophomore.  And Adrien has shown a lot as well. 

For me, that's a very nice core to start with. 

In regard to the portal, I think we do need to balance out the classes with a couple of one-year guys that will be seniors, and maybe a guy with 2 years left.  If Sean and Tre are both gone, this team will have no seniors so that is a spot where you can add that experience. 

I'd like to see them add 3 guys via the portal.  A starting 5 with one year of eligibility left, a starting wing (one or two years left), and a combo guard (one or two years left). 

Starters:
C - Portal addition
F - Royce
G/F - Portal Addition
SG - Adrien
PG - Nigel

Bench:
Portal addition (combo guard)
Sheek
Owens
Egbuonu

Plus, Phillps, Miletic, Walker

I get that the bench is unproven but I see depth and upside.  To me, I don't see why this hypothetical squad wouldn't be competitive. 

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 19, 2026, 01:59:16 PMIMO, you leave at least one spot open for a mid-year pickup - an international player or an early HS grad (what Shaka did for Walker this year). Maybe it's a Euro or Aussie who can contribute immediately too.

With 15 spots, I agree that keeping one spot open for flexibility makes a lot of sense.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 19, 2026, 02:02:48 PMI'd be surprised if two of Tre, Caedin, Clark, and Jones are not gone next year.  Would expect 2, would think 3 is more likely than 1 or 0.  Whether Shaka then uses all 3 spots on portal players we'll see, but my guess is yes.

People constantly overrate the need for depth here.  You need 7 good players to be a competitive team.  My preference would be a rotation of 8.

We were a 2 seed two years ago with a sophomore Ben Gold 7th in minutes and a sophomore Sean Jones 8th in minutes, prior to getting injured for the year half way through the season.  Nobody past those guys played more than 10 minutes per game, and Kolek missed a number of games late in the season with injury as well.  We were running a 6 man rotation for a while.  The year before that we won double Big East titles with freshman Sean Jones 8th in mpg at 12.  And people think Gold and Jones are "fat we should've cut" prior to their 4th year in the program, let alone years 1 and 2.

I've consistently brought up Villanova's two national title teams.  6 guys played 27+ mpg, Gillespie played 14, and nobody else was more than 12 on their second title team under Wright, and their first title under Wright they had an 8 man rotation.

Florida won a national title last year with 6 players over 20 mpg, one player just under 15 mpg, and nobody else above 12.  They basically played 7.  You can go on and on looking at how deep national title teams' rotations are.  Some are deeper, but most are 7 or 8.

You don't need 15 Big East rotational players to be competitive in college basketball.  The idea that we need to completely flip the roster is so far from the truth.  Nigel and Royce should be two of the best offensive players in the Big East next year.  Stevens is a proven 3 point shooter, and I trust we'll see an improvement defensively and going to the hoop.  He's definitely a rotational Big East player.  If you get 3 Big East rotational level players, you can easily find Ben Gold/Sean Jones sophomore year level of production from one of Sheek, Egbuonu, Philips, Walker, Miletic, or Owens.

Yep, basically what I just posted and have been repeating.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 02:24:14 PMFirst, what changes the equation to me is Nigel, Royce, and Adrien.  They are proving with each game they can be counted on next season and beyond.

Royce will be an upper classmen. Nigel might be pre-season All Big East 1st or 2nd team next season as a sophomore.  And Adrien has shown a lot as well. 

For me, that's a very nice core to start with. 

In regard to the portal, I think we do need to balance out the classes with a couple of one-year guys that will be seniors, and maybe a guy with 2 years left.  If Sean and Tre are both gone, this team will have no seniors so that is a spot where you can add that experience. 

I'd like to see them add 3 guys via the portal.  A starting 5 with one year of eligibility left, a starting wing (one or two years left), and a combo guard (one or two years left). 

Starters:
C - Portal addition
F - Royce
G/F - Portal Addition
SG - Adrien
PG - Nigel

Bench:
Portal addition (combo guard)
Sheek
Owens
Egbuonu

Plus, Phillps, Miletic, Walker

I get that the bench is unproven but I see depth and upside.  To me, I don't see why this hypothetical squad wouldn't be competitive. 

Yep. Your starting line up is exactly what I am picturing.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 19, 2026, 02:02:48 PMI'd be surprised if two of Tre, Caedin, Clark, and Jones are not gone next year.  Would expect 2, would think 3 is more likely than 1 or 0.  Whether Shaka then uses all 3 spots on portal players we'll see, but my guess is yes.

People constantly overrate the need for depth here.  You need 7 good players to be a competitive team.  My preference would be a rotation of 8.

We were a 2 seed two years ago with a sophomore Ben Gold 7th in minutes and a sophomore Sean Jones 8th in minutes, prior to getting injured for the year half way through the season.  Nobody past those guys played more than 10 minutes per game, and Kolek missed a number of games late in the season with injury as well.  We were running a 6 man rotation for a while.  The year before that we won double Big East titles with freshman Sean Jones 8th in mpg at 12.  And people think Gold and Jones are "fat we should've cut" prior to their 4th year in the program, let alone years 1 and 2.

I've consistently brought up Villanova's two national title teams.  6 guys played 27+ mpg, Gillespie played 14, and nobody else was more than 12 on their second title team under Wright, and their first title under Wright they had an 8 man rotation.

Florida won a national title last year with 6 players over 20 mpg, one player just under 15 mpg, and nobody else above 12.  They basically played 7.  You can go on and on looking at how deep national title teams' rotations are.  Some are deeper, but most are 7 or 8.

You don't need 15 Big East rotational players to be competitive in college basketball.  The idea that we need to completely flip the roster is so far from the truth.  Nigel and Royce should be two of the best offensive players in the Big East next year.  Stevens is a proven 3 point shooter, and I trust we'll see an improvement defensively and going to the hoop.  He's definitely a rotational Big East player.  If you get 3 Big East rotational level players, you can easily find Ben Gold/Sean Jones sophomore year level of production from one of Sheek, Egbuonu, Philips, Walker, Miletic, or Owens.

Depth doesn't matter unless you're the 24/25 Marquette team

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 02:28:18 PMYep. Your starting line up is exactly what I am picturing.

His bench makes me very nervous. But again - I haven't seen the freshmen play on this stage so I'm erring on the side of the unknown.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 02:24:14 PMFirst, what changes the equation to me is Nigel, Royce, and Adrien.  They are proving with each game they can be counted on next season and beyond.

Royce will be an upper classmen. Nigel might be pre-season All Big East 1st or 2nd team next season as a sophomore.  And Adrien has shown a lot as well. 

For me, that's a very nice core to start with. 

In regard to the portal, I think we do need to balance out the classes with a couple of one-year guys that will be seniors, and maybe a guy with 2 years left.  If Sean and Tre are both gone, this team will have no seniors so that is a spot where you can add that experience. 

I'd like to see them add 3 guys via the portal.  A starting 5 with one year of eligibility left, a starting wing (one or two years left), and a combo guard (one or two years left). 

Starters:
C - Portal addition
F - Royce
G/F - Portal Addition
SG - Adrien
PG - Nigel

Bench:
Portal addition (combo guard)
Sheek
Owens
Egbuonu

Plus, Phillps, Miletic, Walker

I get that the bench is unproven but I see depth and upside.  To me, I don't see why this hypothetical squad wouldn't be competitive. 

This is what I expect as well.  And that is a tournament team.

Didn't think I'd be liking a One Post take...

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyM3A4aHIzOGVpNjd3M2RrOTZqbnVqeXlzZnN3N3dwbGV6amFmcW83diZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/zBpI2QxyCMD9cx6Nue/giphy.gif)

Don't forget incoming freshman Ethan Johnston next year. His 6'7" athleticism as a wing defender/rebounder may also help the team. Of course, he may also redshirt next year to improve his offense, but I'm surprised everyone seems to be ignoring him when discussing next year's team.

Quote from: MU1985 on February 19, 2026, 02:44:22 PMDon't forget incoming freshman Ethan Johnston next year. His 6'7" athleticism as a wing defender/rebounder may also help the team. Of course, he may also redshirt next year to improve his offense, but I'm surprised everyone seems to be ignoring him when discussing next year's team.

You're not wrong.  If he can truly defend at a Big East level, there's certainly an opportunity for minutes for him.

Quote from: onepost link=msg=1794929 date=1771531396
Nigel, Royce, Adrien, Damarius, Michael, Alex, Sheek, Ian, portal guard like Minessale, portal wing like a Leon Bond, portal big man.
/quote]

This a best case scenario, and this team feel like a 17-18 win team.

And until they run people off, this whole diatribe is aimless. They havn't acted that way towards their players in the past, they likely won't in the future.

Meanwhile, I won't infer competence in a staff. They are now 14-26 in their last 40 games.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 02:56:09 PMThis a best case scenario, and this team feel like a 17-18 win team.

And until they run people off, this whole diatribe is aimless. They havn't acted that way towards their players in the past, they likely won't in the future.

Meanwhile, I won't infer competence in a staff. They are now 14-26 in their last 40 games.

And 107-59 at Marquette, and 379-201 overall.

But sure, keep hearing reports that Shaka and staff are changing their ways and ignoring it.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 19, 2026, 02:58:08 PMAnd 107-59 at Marquette, and 379-201 overall.

But sure, keep hearing reports that Shaka and staff are changing their ways and ignoring it.

Without winning out. This is the single worst Marquette basketball season in the 21st century.

Let's see if they will be better than 1990-91.

Culture is how you act, interact, and responed.

They are changing their ways because they failed, not because they are pressing their advantages.

Sorry that this season doesn't make me optimistic

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 02:56:09 PM[quote author=onepost link=msg=1794929 date=1771531396
Nigel, Royce, Adrien, Damarius, Michael, Alex, Sheek, Ian, portal guard like Minessale, portal wing like a Leon Bond, portal big man.


This a best case scenario, and this team feel like a 17-18 win team.

And until they run people off, this whole diatribe is aimless. They havn't acted that way towards their players in the past, they likely won't in the future.

Meanwhile, I won't infer competence in a staff. They are now 14-26 in their last 40 games.

You're welcome to hypothesize any win total you want, that roster ^ is closer to a protected seed in the tournament than a Crown participant if you ask me.

"They haven't acted that way towards players in the past"...yet Shaka and the admin are making it about as subtle as a sledgehammer that they are changing up their ways. You're welcome to keep your head in the sand, the rest of us will focus on who we could bring in to supplement the young core we are retaining...you know...like Shaka literally said 16 hours ago.

Quote from: MU1985 on February 19, 2026, 02:44:22 PMDon't forget incoming freshman Ethan Johnston next year. His 6'7" athleticism as a wing defender/rebounder may also help the team. Of course, he may also redshirt next year to improve his offense, but I'm surprised everyone seems to be ignoring him when discussing next year's team.

Ethan Johnston is the #195 player in his class according to the 247 composite and #225 according to on3.
The rankings aren't always right and there are times a lower-rated prospect comes in and has an immediate impact, but those tend to be exceptions. Expecting him to come in and help the team next year seems a tough ask. He's more likely a long-term swing on upside.

Yes, I understand that expectations are relatively low for Ethan Johnston due to the various low rankings, but to completely ignore him and not even include his name on the team as a bench player next year doesn't feel right to me due to his athleticism as a 6'7" wing player

Quote from: MU1985 on February 19, 2026, 03:21:25 PMYes, I understand that expectations are relatively low for Ethan Johnston due to the various low rankings, but to completely ignore him and not even include his name on the team as a bench player next year doesn't feel right to me due to his athleticism as a 6'7" wing player

Barring departures, this team next year will have no shortage of 6'7"ish wing players.
Again, I have no idea where Johnston ends up on the depth chart and how/whether he helps the team, but expectations should be low.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 03:05:30 PMCulture is how you act, interact, and responed.

They are changing their ways because they failed, not because they are pressing their advantages.

Did you pull this nonsense off of LinkedIn or something?

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 03:32:56 PMDid you pull this nonsense off of LinkedIn or something?

You don't know how much of a self own this is.

It is Shaka Smart's definition of culture in his Culture Document.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 02:56:09 PM[quote author=onepost link=msg=1794929 date=1771531396
Nigel, Royce, Adrien, Damarius, Michael, Alex, Sheek, Ian, portal guard like Minessale, portal wing like a Leon Bond, portal big man.


This a best case scenario, and this team feel like a 17-18 win team.

And until they run people off, this whole diatribe is aimless. They havn't acted that way towards their players in the past, they likely won't in the future.

Meanwhile, I won't infer competence in a staff. They are now 14-26 in their last 40 games.

How does this team "feel like" a 17 or 18 win team when we

A) don't know our schedule
B) don't know what other rosters will look like
C) don't know what our roster will look like

What if we just add a couple of really good players? It's feasible that we could. In that case I would say the sky is the limit for that roster.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 03:35:13 PMYou don't know how much of a self own this is.

It is Shaka Smart's definition of culture in his Culture Document.

Actually the Culture Doc says respond, not responed.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 03:35:13 PMYou don't know how much of a self own this is.

It is Shaka Smart's definition of culture in his Culture Document.

Self own? I don't give a rip what's in his Culture Document.

I care that he is changing course. He's a smart enough gut to figure it out.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 03:22:07 AMI think JB should be happy that he corrected the "medical redshirt" terminology.

Us professionals like to use the proper terminology at times. Shame on Shaka and I for being righteous.

btw, saw anonymous eagle do a write up re: sean and this situation.. it's factually very wrong.

I've posted about it before.. but, again, the public comments by MU re: Sean last year were D&D. Oh well.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 03:05:30 PMWithout winning out. This is the single worst Marquette basketball season in the 21st century.

Let's see if they will be better than 1990-91.

Culture is how you act, interact, and responed.

They are changing their ways because they failed, not because they are pressing their advantages.

Sorry that this season doesn't make me optimistic

Does it really matter at this point why their roster building approach is evolving?

If you're looking at wins & losses right now to determine your optimism moving forward you're not looking at the right things. 

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 02:24:14 PMFirst, what changes the equation to me is Nigel, Royce, and Adrien.  They are proving with each game they can be counted on next season and beyond.

Royce will be an upper classmen. Nigel might be pre-season All Big East 1st or 2nd team next season as a sophomore.  And Adrien has shown a lot as well. 

For me, that's a very nice core to start with. 

In regard to the portal, I think we do need to balance out the classes with a couple of one-year guys that will be seniors, and maybe a guy with 2 years left.  If Sean and Tre are both gone, this team will have no seniors so that is a spot where you can add that experience. 

I'd like to see them add 3 guys via the portal.  A starting 5 with one year of eligibility left, a starting wing (one or two years left), and a combo guard (one or two years left). 

Starters:
C - Portal addition
F - Royce
G/F - Portal Addition
SG - Adrien
PG - Nigel

Bench:
Portal addition (combo guard)
Sheek
Owens
Egbuonu

Plus, Phillps, Miletic, Walker

I get that the bench is unproven but I see depth and upside.  To me, I don't see why this hypothetical squad wouldn't be competitive. 

How so? They have not played one game of D1 ball. You don't even know the caliber of play of the transfers. I'll reserve judgement until next year's team plays some actual games and performs better than they do in practice.

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 08:13:31 AMHonestly.... this speach was not good...

Really, the issue with this roster is the lack of Sean Jones? Sean Jones, who made worse when he was playing, that Sean jones?

And the focus is on retention? Of which players? If you are focusing on retaining all, you're doing something wrong.

This staff is poor at self evaluations.

I'm as mad as anyone with the way the team has played this season, and because of that hopefully Shaka pulls his head out of his a$$ about using the portal. But Shaka clearly brought up Sean Jones only to inform everyone he'd be out the rest of the season with injury, and nothing else. He never said or implied that he was the missing piece this year. How is it even possible to not understand that?

Quote from: jfp61 on February 19, 2026, 08:13:31 AMHonestly.... this speach was not good...

Wat r speach?

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 19, 2026, 04:48:29 PMHow so? They have not played one game of D1 ball. You don't even know the caliber of play of the transfers. I'll reserve judgement until next year's team plays some actual games and performs better than they do in practice.

Uh...you weren't reserving judgement earlier today...

Quote from: The Sultan on February 19, 2026, 06:34:50 PMUh...you weren't reserving judgement earlier today...

Don't you have some freshman to scowl at for drinking?

Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 19, 2026, 06:49:48 PMDon't you have some freshman to scowl at for drinking?

WTF are you talking about?

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 01:36:56 PMWould it?  We don't know what those dollar figures are/will be. It's been hinted that the pay structure will be adapting. If they come back, I would bet the farm (not that anyone would have any way to prove/disprove) that Tre and Sean are nowhere near our top earners. If Shaka adjusts to something along the lines of your pay pro-rated to what your expected minutes are and Tre makes less than Sheek would that make you feel better?  I feel like a comment that Shaka made 3-ish off-season's ago is continuing to get a lot of mileage.

Well, he said this six weeks ago:

QuoteBut Smart is steadfast in his belief that incoming portal players should not be paid more than guys who are already in the program. There's a tier-system that Marquette employs when paying players, and Smart is loathe to depart from it. 

https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/ncaa-transfer-portal-st-johns-marquette-dan-hurley-21277022.php

Any player in the transfer market worth their salt is gonna expect more than several guys already in the program, and they should.

1 stud transfer could make all the difference

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 07:01:37 PMWell, he said this six weeks ago:

https://www.ctinsider.com/sports/uconn-mens-basketball/article/ncaa-transfer-portal-st-johns-marquette-dan-hurley-21277022.php

Any player in the transfer market worth their salt is gonna expect more than several guys already in the program, and they should.

That's not a quote. A quote is something Shaka actually says. This was a UConn piece where they paraphrased an old Shaka quote, the same one that gets repeated around here a lot, that is from approx. 3 off-season's ago (I can't remember if it was after Justin left early or after O-Max left early). Further, Shaka has had actual real quotes more recently than six weeks ago that very strongly indicate that a change in philosophy is coming.  Is it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on using the portal, but not his stance on pay structure?

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 07:17:48 PMThat's not a quote. A quote is something Shaka actually says. This was a UConn piece where they paraphrased an old Shaka quote, the same one that gets repeated around here a lot, that is from approx. 3 off-season's ago (I can't remember if it was after Justin left early or after O-Max left early). Further, Shaka has had actual real quotes more recently than six weeks ago that very strongly indicate that a change in philosophy is coming.  Is it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on using the portal, but not his stance on pay structure?

Well there are quotes from Shaka in that piece about his change in philosophy about the portal, which he told the writer, but you're just going to assume said writer dug up an old quote from three years ago instead of asking him about the pay structure?

That's not how this stuff works, man.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 07:17:48 PMIs it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on using the portal, but not his stance on pay structure?

Is it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on using the portal?

Yes.

Is it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on pay structure?

Yes

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 07:25:15 PMIs it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on using the portal?

Yes.

Is it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on pay structure?

Yes

Right ? The proof is this season. He rode RGV into the situation we're in now. Either he's married to that philosophy or he's a poor talent evaluator. I don't know which is worse.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 07:21:58 PMWell there are quotes from Shaka in that piece about his change in philosophy about the portal, which he told the writer, but you're just going to assume said writer dug up an old quote from three years ago instead of asking him about the pay structure?

That's not how this stuff works, man.

If there are actual Shaka quotes, why didn't you use them? Is it because they don't actually mention MU? He talks about UConn, Purde and Mich St.

"I think the UConns, the Purdues, the Michigan States, in terms of sustaining success from year to year, that appears to be the way to go about it," Marquette coach Shaka Smart told CT Insider. "What those guys have done through the combination of their high school recruiting, retention and transfer recruiting is they've kept their talent and their culture at a very high level. And that gives you a chance to win."

And again, there are more recent quotes, which is why this thread is titled what it is, why are you ignoring those and focusing on what a UConn article from 6 weeks ago is saying? Things have clearly changed.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 07:25:15 PMIs it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on using the portal?

Yes.

Is it so hard to believe that he'll change his stance on pay structure?

Yes

Why? His comments seem pretty clear.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 07:30:56 PMWhy? His comments seem pretty clear.

Agreed.  Shaka has always told us what he is is going to do.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 07:31:51 PMAgreed.  Shaka has always told us what is is going to do.

You're right, he's going out of his way to lie to us.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 07:33:37 PMYou're right, he's going out of his way to lie to us.

Disagree.  He is excited to use the portal for players that are leaving.  Results, TBD.

Does Theo John have a younger brother.....

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 07:29:59 PMIf there are actual Shaka quotes, why didn't you use them? Is it because they don't actually mention MU? He talks about UConn, Purde and Mich St.

"I think the UConns, the Purdues, the Michigan States, in terms of sustaining success from year to year, that appears to be the way to go about it," Marquette coach Shaka Smart told CT Insider. "What those guys have done through the combination of their high school recruiting, retention and transfer recruiting is they've kept their talent and their culture at a very high level. And that gives you a chance to win."

And again, there are more recent quotes, which is why this thread is titled what it is, why are you ignoring those and focusing on what a UConn article from 6 weeks ago is saying? Things have clearly changed.

It's in the article. This is basic journalism. Just because someone wasn't directly quoted doesn't mean they didn't say it to the reporter. That part would've been omitted if he hadn't, but instead you're assuming the writer just dug up some old quote from three years ago. And if that were the case, why wouldn't he just use the original quote? Again, just not how this stuff works.

And it's clear from the article that his thinking had already changed, like you quoted. Last night he said 'We decided for the past four years not to take D-1 transfers' and he's changed his mind about that. That's not different in any substantial way from "I think the UConns, the Purdues, the Michigan States, in terms of sustaining success from year to year, that appears to be the way to go about it," Marquette coach Shaka Smart told CT Insider. "What those guys have done through the combination of their high school recruiting, retention and transfer recruiting is they've kept their talent and their culture at a very high level. And that gives you a chance to win.""

I haven't seen anything that makes me think his thinking about pay structure has changed in the last six weeks.

Quote from: burger on February 19, 2026, 07:38:01 PMDoes Theo John have a younger brother.....

Yes, but Alex has to be like 25 now

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 07:26:56 PMRight ? The proof is this season. He rode RGV into the situation we're in now. Either he's married to that philosophy or he's a poor talent evaluator. I don't know which is worse.

This doesn't make any sense.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 07:45:10 PMThis doesn't make any sense.

Let me break it down for you -

Shaka kept a bunch of players who are not up to standard on the roster the past couple of years because of his philosophy (rgv).

When the initial crop of players graduated, we were left with players who were misevaluated and he thought they would be bigger contributors.

Because of that, we're going through an abysmal season.

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 08:14:19 PMLet me break it down for you -

Shaka kept a bunch of players who are not up to standard on the roster the past couple of years because of his philosophy (rgv).

When the initial crop of players graduated, we were left with players who were misevaluated and he thought they would be bigger contributors.

Because of that, we're going through an abysmal season.

Except your response was in regard to what's going to happen next and not what happened last year or what's happened this season

Shaka has already indicated he's going to use the portal.

So you think he's lying?

Like I said, it doesn't make sense.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 19, 2026, 08:28:59 PMExcept your response was in regard to what's going to happen next and not what happened last year or what's happened this season

Shaka has already indicated he's going to use the portal.

So you think he's lying?

Like I said, it doesn't make sense.

I've stated many times I have my doubts he will use it to the extent the team next year needs him to use it to be highly competitive.

I think that because of his naivety in roster construction the last couple of seasons. 

Quote from: panda on February 19, 2026, 08:37:48 PMI've stated many times I have my doubts he will use it to the extent the team next year needs him to use it to be highly competitive.

I think that because of his naivety in roster construction the last couple of seasons. 

Let's just see what happens.  He essentially admitted he has made mistakes. 

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 07:41:13 PMI haven't seen anything that makes me think his thinking about pay structure has changed in the last six weeks.

If you can't see it, it's because you're choosing not to see it, in which case, I can't help you. This whole circular argument is pointless anyways since anyone who actually has the financial information is not posting it to Scoop.

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 19, 2026, 09:16:48 PMIf you can't see it, it's because you're choosing not to see it, in which case, I can't help you. This whole circular argument is pointless anyways since anyone who actually has the financial information is not posting it to Scoop.

You keep conflating using the portal and changing the pay structure. They are not the same thing. I hope his mind has changed, but I haven't seen any indication it has. It being mentioned in an article is much more valid than being posted on this message board.

But since he has been willing to talk about the pay structure, I do wish the local media would ask him about it.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 09:33:00 PMYou keep conflating using the portal and changing the pay structure. They are not the same thing. I hope his mind has changed, but I haven't seen any indication it has. It being mentioned in an article is much more valid than being posted on this message board.

But since he has been willing to talk about the pay structure, I do wish the local media would ask him about it.

Shaka is not willing to talk about pay, lol

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 09:44:24 PMShaka is not willing to talk about pay, lol

pay =/= pay structure

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 09:46:24 PMpay =/= pay structure

I agree.  But Shaka only has a degree in history and "social science"

Guys, they really wouldn't be going public with this unless they've officially reconsidered their position.

They wouldn't reconsider the transfer portal if they weren't reconsidering the pay and everything surrounding it.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 09:53:57 PMGuys, they really wouldn't be going public with this unless they've officially reconsidered their position.

They wouldn't reconsider the transfer portal if they weren't reconsidering the pay and everything surrounding it.

Shaka is 100% using the transfer portal.  For Zaide's spot.

I'm pretty sure you're doing a bit right now but I want to argue with you so bad.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 09:56:43 PMI'm pretty sure you're doing a bit right now but I want to argue with you so bad.

Go ahead...

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 09:53:57 PMGuys, they really wouldn't be going public with this unless they've officially reconsidered their position.

They wouldn't reconsider the transfer portal if they weren't reconsidering the pay and everything surrounding it.

Here's to hoping! Not saying he won't change, just that the concern isn't unjustified.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 10:00:53 PMHere's to hoping! Not saying he won't change, just that the concern isn't unjustified.

I don't think they'll pay for top transfers. But I do think they'll pay for good transfers and pay them the same as an established player would get at MU

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 10:02:20 PMI don't think they'll pay for top transfers. But I do think they'll pay for good transfers and pay them the same as an established player would get at MU

History shows this, no?

Shaka has told us what is going to happen.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 10:02:20 PMI don't think they'll pay for top transfers. But I do think they'll pay for good transfers and pay them the same as an established player would get at MU

I hope they do too. It's just that considering the talent on this team, good transfers would be making top 5 money here if we only got two. It's a big change in philosophy is all.

And while I'm not fully on board with Rocky's comment about only replacing Zaide, I do think there are some assumptions being made about how many changes will happen. Zaide chose to leave, and it seems like Sean is planning to as well. Those read like player choices. I don't think skepticism about the staff being willing to tell Tre and Caedin that it's time to go are unwarranted. Different situations.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 10:09:19 PMSean is planning to as well.

Why would he!?!  # relationships

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 09:55:41 PMShaka is 100% using the transfer portal.  For Zaide's spot.

Yep.  We have people saying, "Sean Jones is 100% gone."  Is he?  Is even one of Tre, Caedin, or Josh Clark gone?  I'll believe it when I see it.

Quote from: Biggie Clausen on February 19, 2026, 10:12:39 PMYep.  We have people saying, "Sean Jones is 100% gone."  Is he?  Is even one of Tre, Caedin, or Josh Clark gone?  I'll believe it when I see it.

Unless someone says they want more playing time, and less money.  They're not leaving.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 10:04:25 PMHistory shows this, no?

Shaka has told us what is going to happen.

I'm paying a hacker to take down scoop.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 10:15:45 PMI'm paying a hacker to take down scoop.

That is a strategy...

(fwiw, since it's happened, just target me. It'll make it easier for the folks you're going to have to pay)

Quote from: BM1090 on February 19, 2026, 10:15:45 PMI'm paying a hacker to take down scoop.

DM me. A friend of mine has told me that his 10-year-old son has taken down international companies, so taking down scoop is something he could easily do right after soccer practice tomorrow.

The kid is not cheap, but he's good. Full disclosure: I get a commission.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 19, 2026, 10:43:08 PMThe kid is not cheap,

We've been recruiting him.  Seems...not right.

Back to the subject at hand: Many of you folks are over-analyzing the Portal issue. Coach Smart either goes to the Portal or he bets on Caedin Hamilton and a group of redshirts/incoming freshmen to carry his water next year.

That path is a sure ticket to unemployment in 2027!

Marquette's needs are simple: depth at guard and a center that's a beast. Our season has fallen apart this year because (a) Zaide, Tre and Sean never became anything close to what Coach Smart had expected; and, (b) Our center(s) are better equipped to play in the Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association than the Big East.

Our core is basically very good. Keep Nigel, Royce and Adrian, work with Damarius and our incoming and we have the foundation for a good team next year. But without Portal depth at guard and center, we're headed for another disaster.

Let's see what Coach Smart does. In the meantime, the sooner this season ends, the better.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 10:14:25 PMUnless someone says they want more playing time, and less money.  They're not leaving.

Like Lowery.

Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 19, 2026, 11:21:31 PMLike Lowery.

He chose quitting over money.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 19, 2026, 11:24:09 PMHe chose quitting over money.

We've been told guys won't leave because they make too much money. Yet, for whatever reason, Lowery did. If Shaka is so principled that he's willing to sacrifice his career to continue his approach, then he'll retire at the end of the season. If he wants to keep coaching, he'll make room on the roster. IMO, he'd have nothing to be ashamed of if he changes his approach. He gave that approach a better go than any other D-1 coach.

Again, Shaka saying the program will "evolve" includes the payment structure for players, not just being very active in the portal.  Everything is changing, it already is.

Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 20, 2026, 08:14:57 AMWe've been told guys won't leave because they make too much money. Yet, for whatever reason, Lowery did.

My statement about Zaide was incorrect, and incomplete.  I'm guessing he'll get plenty of money.

Though the other guys people hope Shaka will run off...

Quote from: JTJ3 on February 20, 2026, 08:23:43 AMAgain, Shaka saying the program will "evolve" includes the payment structure for players, not just being very active in the portal.  Everything is changing, it already is.

Appreciate your confidence on this, but you can't possibly know that. The only people who know what Shaka means by "evolve" are Shaka and his bosses. The rest of us will just have to wait and find out.

Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 20, 2026, 08:14:57 AMWe've been told guys won't leave because they make too much money. Yet, for whatever reason, Lowery did.

He couldn't show his face on campus after getting whooped by Cody Hatt.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on February 19, 2026, 10:09:19 PMI hope they do too. It's just that considering the talent on this team, good transfers would be making top 5 money here if we only got two. It's a big change in philosophy is all.

And while I'm not fully on board with Rocky's comment about only replacing Zaide, I do think there are some assumptions being made about how many changes will happen. Zaide chose to leave, and it seems like Sean is planning to as well. Those read like player choices. I don't think skepticism about the staff being willing to tell Tre and Caedin that it's time to go are unwarranted. Different situations.

What makes you confident that "Zaide chose to leave"? I think it looks like he was told that he was losing his starting position to Stevens and he didn't take it well. So, he was benched and didn't travel with the team for a game. Then, he continued to pout (and was perhaps a negative presence within the team) and was cut. I suppose it is possible that he was told to man up and wouldn't/couldn't do that, and rather quit, but even that doesn't really feel like he "chose to leave."

As for Sean, it feels likely to me that, following his injury and Nigel's emergence, he was told that he wouldn't get his starting spot back. He seems to have accepted that and so remains a valued part of the team, just as he was during his recovery from his knee injury. That said, I think he realizes that the team next year will be Nigel's and he will, at best, be a back up. For me, I hope that Shaka sees Sean's limitations and injury vulnerability and realizes that he will want a back up point guard that brings different skills (truth is, Sean is small like Nigel, quick like Nigel but has looser handles, lower game sense and worse shooting; the one advantage I'd say that Sean has over Nigel is defense, but that could change too). I'll admit that I'd like to see Sean move on, as I think it would be better for Sean (just like Jamal Cain playing his final year at Oakland) and for MU.

Quote from: dgies9156 on February 19, 2026, 10:59:19 PMBack to the subject at hand: Many of you folks are over-analyzing the Portal issue. Coach Smart either goes to the Portal or he bets on Caedin Hamilton and a group of redshirts/incoming freshmen to carry his water next year.

That path is a sure ticket to unemployment in 2027!

Marquette's needs are simple: depth at guard and a center that's a beast. Our season has fallen apart this year because (a) Zaide, Tre and Sean never became anything close to what Coach Smart had expected; and, (b) Our center(s) are better equipped to play in the Wisconsin Interscholastic Athletic Association than the Big East.

Our core is basically very good. Keep Nigel, Royce and Adrian, work with Damarius and our incoming and we have the foundation for a good team next year. But without Portal depth at guard and center, we're headed for another disaster.

Let's see what Coach Smart does. In the meantime, the sooner this season ends, the better.

I'll keep hammering this drum - the bolded is not enough. A beast center for sure, I agree. But we also need a beast wing. And from there a quality depth piece or two would be nice.

Tough to see us shelling out the kind of cash that would take but in my opinion that's the bare minimum to be in legit contention next year.

Quote from: Tha Hound on February 20, 2026, 10:07:25 AMI'll keep hammering this drum - the bolded is not enough. A beast center for sure, I agree. But we also need a beast wing. And from there a quality depth piece or two would be nice.

Tough to see us shelling out the kind of cash that would take but in my opinion that's the bare minimum to be in legit contention next year.

We definitely need a scoring wing. Hoped that DO could step into that role, but alas...

Quote from: Tha Hound on February 20, 2026, 10:07:25 AMI'll keep hammering this drum - the bolded is not enough. A beast center for sure, I agree. But we also need a beast wing. And from there a quality depth piece or two would be nice.

Tough to see us shelling out the kind of cash that would take but in my opinion that's the bare minimum to be in legit contention next year.

What happens in the off season will tells us a lot about how much cash we actually have to spend and where it will be spent.

Quote from: Tums Festival on February 19, 2026, 06:26:42 PMI'm as mad as anyone with the way the team has played this season, and because of that hopefully Shaka pulls his head out of his a$$ about using the portal. But Shaka clearly brought up Sean Jones only to inform everyone he'd be out the rest of the season with injury, and nothing else. He never said or implied that he was the missing piece this year. How is it even possible to not understand that?

Shaka "brought up" Sean Jones only after he was asked about Sean Jones at a press conference.

Quote from: The Sultan on February 20, 2026, 10:36:46 AMWe definitely need a scoring wing. Hoped that DO could step into that role, but alas...

There's still time for Damarius Owens... He needs the game to slow down for him a little bit. There are so many flashes, despite the injuries. That lanky frame and athleticism alone are so useful. Watch him "transfer down" to a Dayton or SLU only to get huge money from an ACC school his senior year after he breaks out for real. I'd rather him bloom late for us.

Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on February 20, 2026, 12:23:15 PMThere's still time for Damarius Owens... He needs the game to slow down for him a little bit. There are so many flashes, despite the injuries. That lanky frame and athleticism alone are so useful. Watch him "transfer down" to a Dayton or SLU only to get huge money from an ACC school his senior year after he breaks out for real. I'd rather him bloom late for us.

Sure, but he has not shown enough to start next year.

Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 19, 2026, 12:10:53 PMOr he's trying to get a final read in meaningless games.

Or is he shopping them?

Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on February 20, 2026, 12:23:15 PMThere's still time for Damarius Owens... He needs the game to slow down for him a little bit. There are so many flashes, despite the injuries. That lanky frame and athleticism alone are so useful. Watch him "transfer down" to a Dayton or SLU only to get huge money from an ACC school his senior year after he breaks out for real. I'd rather him bloom late for us.

I haven't given up on him and would rather he not leave, but if he leaves because we bring in a stud wing, so be it.

I expect we'll add 4 players, at least 3 transfers. Sean, Tre, & Caedin will go. Expect a big, a combo guard, & another starting caliber player.

The last will probably either be a longer term flyer or a freshman. Maybe a reclassified 2027 or someone who decommits in spring.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2026, 03:45:02 PMI expect we'll add 4 players, at least 3 transfers. Sean, Tre, & Caedin will go. Expect a big, a combo guard, & another starting caliber player.

The last will probably either be a longer term flyer or a freshman. Maybe a reclassified 2027 or someone who decommits in spring.

So you see Clark staying?

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 20, 2026, 03:52:10 PMSo you see Clark staying?

Not for certain, but with 3 years left I think he's more likely to get another go around.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 20, 2026, 03:45:02 PMI expect we'll add 4 players, at least 3 transfers. Sean, Tre, & Caedin will go. Expect a big, a combo guard, & another starting caliber player.

The last will probably either be a longer term flyer or a freshman. Maybe a reclassified 2027 or someone who decommits in spring.

Pretty ideal offseason.

Return 3 starters, bring in 3 more capable of starting level minutes.  Owens, Sheek, Philips, etc. battle it out for the remaining minutes.

Thats a tournament team.

Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on February 20, 2026, 12:23:15 PMThere's still time for Damarius Owens... He needs the game to slow down for him a little bit. There are so many flashes, despite the injuries. That lanky frame and athleticism alone are so useful. Watch him "transfer down" to a Dayton or SLU only to get huge money from an ACC school his senior year after he breaks out for real. I'd rather him bloom late for us.

Amen. I hope he stays - the ceiling is still high for DO.

But, yeah.. one 'good' path for him would be .. go to a mid major and get major run. Just go absolutely crazy. Then back to a HM for big $ as a senior.

Quote from: JTJ3 on February 20, 2026, 04:33:39 PMPretty ideal offseason.

Return 3 starters, bring in 3 more capable of starting level minutes.  Owens, Sheek, Philips, etc. battle it out for the remaining minutes.

Thats a tournament team.

Well the 3 starters can't win games now what makes you think they will games next season or even be here?

We don't even know who these players are but they'll be capable of starting level minutes?

Sheek and the in coming class are unproven. Owens and Philips have not really shown much in limited play. 

As Doctor V noted our scoring has regressed over successive seasons. Unless that trend is reversed it could be another disaster season just as well.


The point is we just don't know as of now what next season will bring.

Quote from: Jay Bee on February 21, 2026, 10:42:00 AMAmen. I hope he stays - the ceiling is still high for DO.

But, yeah.. one 'good' path for him would be .. go to a mid major and get major run. Just go absolutely crazy. Then back to a HM for big $ as a senior.

Jamal Cain would have done quite well for himself had he left MU a year earlier.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 21, 2026, 11:04:53 AMWell the 3 starters can't win games now what makes you think they will games next season or even be here?

We don't even know who these players are but they'll be capable of starting level minutes?

Sheek and the in coming class are unproven. Owens and Philips have not really shown much in limited play.

As Doctor V noted our scoring has regressed over successive seasons. Unless that trend is reversed it could be another disaster season just as well.


The point is we just don't know as of now what next season will bring.

It would be hard to see a shooting regression again next year, given how bad this year and last have been from 3.

If there is, I wouldn't suspect it comes from Nigel because his shot/form aren't all that great but it's been working this season.

Even if he does he will find other ways to score because he's a stud.
Hopefully some of the newcomers and returnees can shoot well in live action

Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2026, 11:48:28 AMJamal Cain would have done quite well for himself had he left MU a year earlier.

Jamal is actually a good comp for Damarius.  Could very well follow same trajectory, although in 4 years versus the 5 it took Jamal.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2026, 01:55:58 PMJamal is actually a good comp for Damarius.  Could very well follow same trajectory, although in 4 years versus the 5 it took Jamal.

I hope you're right but I'm not seeing it. As I recall, Cain always had a good shooting stroke. Owens can hit dunks without traffic and the occasional 3. I haven't seen him being able to convert anything else. Owens is a great athlete and hopefully it clicks next year.

High major schools have reached out about Damarius and I had heard we told them "thanks but he's staying". So I see him being here next season, which is great by me.

Quote from: onepost on February 21, 2026, 02:38:01 PMHigh major schools have reached out about Damarius and I had heard we told them "thanks but he's staying". So I see him being here next season, which is great by me.

So schools now have the power, not the athlete?  Didn't know in this day and age of the portal that a kid could only go into the portal with the school's approval.

Quote from: onepost on February 21, 2026, 02:38:01 PMHigh major schools have reached out about Damarius and I had heard we told them "thanks but he's staying". So I see him being here next season, which is great by me.

lol. Who did they reach out to? Who is "we" told them no thanks. Nobody makes a decision for DO but DO.
Sell that BS somewhere else.

What high major wants him. Doesn't make any sense. I'm struggling to hold onto a modicum of faith he can become a decent player. Tough to watch at times. Makes elementary level turnovers, instantly launches threes the moment he has an inch of space like he has the ultimate green light, and struggles to
Finish in traffic.

Quote from: DoctorV on February 21, 2026, 01:42:04 PMIt would be hard to see a shooting regression again next year, given how bad this year and last have been from 3.

If there is, I wouldn't suspect it comes from Nigel because his shot/form aren't all that great but it's been working this season.

Even if he does he will find other ways to score because he's a stud.
Hopefully some of the newcomers and returnees can shoot well in live action

Point taken, but with so much unknown I find it a stretch to say we will have a tourney team next season. 

Quote from: 79Warrior on February 21, 2026, 03:27:43 PMlol. Who did they reach out to? Who is "we" told them no thanks. Nobody makes a decision for DO but DO.
Sell that BS somewhere else.

You can believe it or not, I don't care. I was told Syracuse had reached out to see if Damarius would be transferring and were told he was staying at MU. I took that as Damarius already letting it be known to the staff he's staying.

Quote from: onepost on February 21, 2026, 04:53:19 PMYou can believe it or not, I don't care. I was told Syracuse had reached out to see if Damarius would be transferring and were told he was staying at MU. I took that as Damarius already letting it be known to the staff he's staying.

Not criticizing, just curious ...

So you're saying that Power 5 School A contacts P5 School B - in the middle of a season - to ask if Player X might want to transfer?

Quote from: 79Warrior on February 21, 2026, 03:27:43 PMlol. Who did they reach out to? Who is "we" told them no thanks. Nobody makes a decision for DO but DO.
Sell that BS somewhere else.

Yes, that was a comically bad story, and we've all read some doosies here before.

Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2026, 05:39:02 PMNot criticizing, just curious ...

So you're saying that Power 5 School A contacts P5 School B - in the middle of a season - to ask if Player X might want to transfer?

Unfortunately it happens all the time now.  Marquette is already feeling out potential portal adds as well.

Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2026, 05:39:02 PMNot criticizing, just curious ...

So you're saying that Power 5 School A contacts P5 School B - in the middle of a season - to ask if Player X might want to transfer?

Yes

Quote from: onepost on February 21, 2026, 06:12:36 PMYes

Quote from: JTJ3 on February 21, 2026, 05:53:23 PMUnfortunately it happens all the time now.  Marquette is already feeling out potential portal adds as well.

Interesting. I knew schools were talking to agents/parents of kids they hoped to get as transfers. It didn't dawn on me that a representative of a school would call his counterpart at a rival school and basically ask, "Mind if we poach one of your players?"

Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2026, 06:55:31 PMInteresting. I knew schools were talking to agents/parents of kids they hoped to get as transfers. It didn't dawn on me that a representative of a school would call his counterpart at a rival school and basically ask, "Mind if we poach one of your players?"

I had the same initial thought, 82: "wow that seems incredibly brazen and stupid of them". But it was more presented as them asking if Marquette wanted Damarius back next season because they had interest in him if we didn't. We told them yes, we want him back.

Quote from: onepost on February 21, 2026, 07:19:24 PMI had the same initial thought, 82: "wow that seems incredibly brazen and stupid of them". But it was more presented as them asking if Marquette wanted Damarius back next season because they had interest in him if we didn't. We told them yes, we want him back.

::)  ::)

You're making this even more ridiculous. If Syracuse wants him, they will offer him a package he can't refuse. End of story.

I just don't see Owens being in demand among Power 5 programs. He's not even a starter on a very poor MU team. If he's back, I'll be a bit concerned if MU views him as a starter going into next season. He hasn't really proven much to date.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 21, 2026, 07:40:02 PM::)  ::)

You're making this even more ridiculous. If Syracuse wants him, they will offer him a package he can't refuse. End of story.

That doesn't make sense.

Quote from: Jay Bee on February 21, 2026, 10:42:00 AMAmen. I hope he stays - the ceiling is still high for DO.

But, yeah.. one 'good' path for him would be .. go to a mid major and get major run. Just go absolutely crazy. Then back to a HM for big $ as a senior.

Weirdest bold I've ever seen

Quote from: onepost on February 21, 2026, 07:19:24 PMI had the same initial thought, 82: "wow that seems incredibly brazen and stupid of them". But it was more presented as them asking if Marquette wanted Damarius back next season because they had interest in him if we didn't. We told them yes, we want him back.

Hmmm. Thanks for the response.

Quote from: onepost on February 21, 2026, 02:38:01 PM"thanks but he's staying". So I see him being here next season, which is great by me.

So, you, and he said nothing.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 21, 2026, 08:22:38 PMThat doesn't make sense.

What doesn't make sense?

Players are free to transfer any year they want. As others have mentioned and everyone knows interested schools will reach out through back channels to gauge interest. Or, players will reach out letting schools know they are going to move on.

There is zero reason for a school to call another coach to see if they are going to "cut" a player.

Plus, there is zero reason for a coach to tell anyone they are going to "cut" a player. It would be a terrible look if Owens heard from Syracuse that Shaka wants him out.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 21, 2026, 07:40:02 PM::)  ::)

You're making this even more ridiculous. If Syracuse wants him, they will offer him a package he can't refuse. End of story.

Absolutely. His post is flat out garbage. No school asks for permission anyway. There is no protocol. Whoever his "source" is clueless. In  addition, no school speaks for the players. Players can do whatever they want.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 22, 2026, 08:52:00 AMWhat doesn't make sense?

Players are free to transfer any year they want. As others have mentioned and everyone knows interested schools will reach out through back channels to gauge interest. Or, players will reach out letting schools know they are going to move on.

There is zero reason for a school to call another coach to see if they are going to "cut" a player.

Plus, there is zero reason for a coach to tell anyone they are going to "cut" a player. It would be a terrible look if Owens heard from Syracuse that Shaka wants him out.

"If Syracuse wants him, they will offer him a package he can't refuse. End of story."

The above is the part of your post I was referring to.  There's no absolute certainty like you describe above.

Hypothetically, Syracuse might want him.  But even if they do, saying "they will offer him a package he can't refuse. End of story" is silly. 

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 22, 2026, 10:10:55 AM"If Syracuse wants him, they will offer him a package he can't refuse. End of story."

The above is the part of your post I was referring to.  There's no absolute certainty like you describe above.

Hypothetically, Syracuse might want him.  But even if they do, saying "they will offer him a package he can't refuse. End of story" is silly. 

You're are missing the whole point of the discussion. I and others are discrediting a ridiculous story devoid of logic and support. I was simply cutting to the chase to summarize the transfer situation.

Basically I was saying if Syracuse had targeted him as an attractive transfer they could have a compelling package put together to present him the second he hits the portal.

Even in some bizzarro world they did reach out to Shaka, and in a cocaine fog Shaka said he was cutting him loose, what would Syracuse gain?

If Syacuse knew he was going to transfer but has not announced or entered the portal, they'd end up working through back channels anyways.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 22, 2026, 10:33:58 AMYou're are missing the whole point of the discussion. I and others are discrediting a ridiculous story devoid of logic and support. I was simply cutting to the chase to summarize the transfer situation.

Basically I was saying if Syracuse had targeted him as an attractive transfer they could have a compelling package put together to present him the second he hits the portal.

Even in some bizzarro world they did reach out to Shaka, and in a cocaine fog Shaka said he was cutting him loose, what would Syracuse gain?

If Syacuse knew he was going to transfer but has not announced or entered the portal, they'd end up working through back channels anyways.

No, I understand the overall point. I just thought that one piece of your response was ludicrous.

I've disagreed with onepost a fair amount this year, but he typically has had some good information.

I'm not going to pretend I understand the intricacies of the transfer portal and if this might happen. But I don't think it's impossible.

I have a general observation.  Is it a stretch to think these back channels aren't being tested?  We all know there have been violations in college sports for decades, some say John Wooden pushed the envelope all the time and even engaged in NCAA violation-level tactics.  School have been placed on probation, coaches and players have been censured, etc. etc.  For Syracuse to reach out to MU to inquire about a player doesn't seem like an impossibility to me.  Just because we have new rules with NIL and the transfer portal, who's to say they're not being violated?

Talk amongst yourselves.

Thanks

Quote from: BM1090 on February 22, 2026, 11:54:30 AMBut I don't think it's impossible.

For sure DO might have gotten an offer from Cuse.  He might even go.  But I doubt an offer was made without his knowledge, or that he just told someone at Marquette to take the call and say no thanks.

Quote from: romey on February 22, 2026, 12:00:47 PMI have a general observation.  Is it a stretch to think these back channels aren't being tested?  We all know there have been violations in college sports for decades, some say John Wooden pushed the envelope all the time and even engaged in NCAA violation-level tactics.  School have been placed on probation, coaches and players have been censured, etc. etc.  For Syracuse to reach out to MU to inquire about a player doesn't seem like an impossibility to me.  Just because we have new rules with NIL and the transfer portal, who's to say they're not being violated?

Talk amongst yourselves.

Thanks

Danny Hurley a few times talked about and referenced his players being tampered with during the season (60 minutes interview he mentioned it)

It happens all the time because the NCAA does not enforce tampering violations. Tampering in some cases is also very hard to prove.

To think it doesn't happen is pretty asinine IMHO.

Quote from: BM1090 on February 22, 2026, 11:54:30 AMI've disagreed with onepost a fair amount this year, but he typically has had some good information.

I'm not going to pretend I understand the intricacies of the transfer portal and if this might happen. But I don't think it's impossible.

Man I didn't realize I said so much crap that poster's agreements were couched with "I don't agree with him but" so often. You're never too old for humble pie.

Quote from: romey on February 22, 2026, 12:00:47 PMIs it a stretch to think these back channels aren't being tested?

Oh, back channels aren't being tested, they are 100% active, up and running. It's just regular operating procedure at any major program that has intent to be involved with the portal.

Quote from: onepost on February 22, 2026, 12:31:48 PMMan I didn't realize I said so much crap that poster's agreements were couched with "I don't agree with him but" so often. You're never too old for humble pie.

I meant it more as a way to say that I wouldn't be dismissing it as easily as some people are.

But yeah, you suck.

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 22, 2026, 01:23:03 PMOh, back channels aren't being tested, they are 100% active, up and running. It's just regular operating procedure at any major program that has intent to be involved with the portal.

So Syracuse may have reached out to MU about whether DO may be "available"?

No clue how these things work, and I doubt Autry called Shaka, but with basically everyone tampering all the time, wouldn't you rather have a program that might be interested in a player on your roster reaching out to you rather than trying to go behind your back? Maybe some designated portal scout/recruiter on one staff reaches out to one on the team's staff of a player they might be interested and says, "Hey, DO doesn't see a ton of minutes with you. Are you happy with him? Is he happy at MU? If you know there will be a parting of ways, can you get us in touch with his people?"

Again, no idea. But I'd think if I was running a program I'd know other programs are probably sneaking around players on my roster, and might appreciate that approach.

Quote from: romey on February 22, 2026, 02:03:28 PMSo Syracuse may have reached out to MU about whether DO may be "available"?

Reaching out to MU would not be a back channel communication. That is the crux of the argument.

I would never say onepost didn't hear the rumor, but whoever started it doesn't understand the college situation. They think college is like the NBA and its like the Knicks called the Bucks to ask if Giannis is available.

Rules are still being written.

Quote from: wadesworld on February 22, 2026, 03:11:04 PMNo clue how these things work, and I doubt Autry called Shaka, but with basically everyone tampering all the time, wouldn't you rather have a program that might be interested in a player on your roster reaching out to you rather than trying to go behind your back? Maybe some designated portal scout/recruiter on one staff reaches out to one on the team's staff of a player they might be interested and says, "Hey, DO doesn't see a ton of minutes with you. Are you happy with him? Is he happy at MU? If you know there will be a parting of ways, can you get us in touch with his people?"

Again, no idea. But I'd think if I was running a program I'd know other programs are probably sneaking around players on my roster, and might appreciate that approach.

To clarify, it's definitely not Autry calling Shaka asking for his blessing, but rather backend staffer contacting backend staffer. To my knowledge.

Quote from: onepost on February 22, 2026, 04:00:37 PMTo clarify, it's definitely not Autry calling Shaka asking for his blessing, but rather backend staffer contacting backend staffer. To my knowledge.

OK. One favor please. Can you use your influence to get Syracuse to take Hamilton? I'll pay you.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 22, 2026, 04:04:36 PMOK. One favor please. Can you use your influence to get Syracuse to take Hamilton? I'll pay you.

They call him 18 around here, bub.

I feel like this is a game of telephone, where the original message changed slightly with each retelling.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 22, 2026, 04:04:36 PMOK. One favor please. Can you use your influence to get Syracuse to take Hamilton? I'll pay you.

DO, Hamilton and 'cash considerations'? Shaka should do the deal.  :D

Quote from: wadesworld on February 22, 2026, 03:11:04 PMNo clue how these things work, and I doubt Autry called Shaka, but with basically everyone tampering all the time, wouldn't you rather have a program that might be interested in a player on your roster reaching out to you rather than trying to go behind your back? Maybe some designated portal scout/recruiter on one staff reaches out to one on the team's staff of a player they might be interested and says, "Hey, DO doesn't see a ton of minutes with you. Are you happy with him? Is he happy at MU? If you know there will be a parting of ways, can you get us in touch with his people?"

Again, no idea. But I'd think if I was running a program I'd know other programs are probably sneaking around players on my roster, and might appreciate that approach.

You must have found some examples you were satisfied with?

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 22, 2026, 04:19:09 PMYou must have found some examples you were satisfied with?

I don't know what this means, but you got me I guess?

Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 22, 2026, 03:57:00 PMRules are still being written.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyNzQ3a3NyNTR1OGo3YmEzem0wNDB6N2Iwa3hucjI4MG84amlsNGlncyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/ma4msCmcHpAoBLU6hl/giphy.gif)

Not that this is definitive confirmation that Damarius Owens stays per se, but MUBB's social media just dropped this hype video:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVFBwVpDnvO/?igsh=bHk3cnQyOTYycTQ1

It starts with Shaka talking about a "group of four" that is extremely close and connected, then proceeds to show clips of Damarius, Royce, Adrien, and Nigel. If I had to guess based on this video alone, it seems to me like Shaka intends on keeping this group together.

I don't think anyone here doubts that "tampering" is going on all the time. Someone representing School A calls an agent or parent or even the player himself from School B  to express interest? Like it or not (and I vote not), that no doubt happens every freakin' day.

It's the idea that a representative of School A calls his counterpart at School B to inquire about possibly poaching a player from School A that seems a little out there. To me, anyway.

Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2026, 05:56:44 PMI don't think anyone here doubts that "tampering" is going on all the time. Someone representing School A calls an agent or parent or even the player himself from School B  to express interest? Like it or not (and I vote not), that no doubt happens every freakin' day.

It's the idea that a representative of School A calls his counterpart at School B to inquire about possibly poaching a player from School A that seems a little out there. To me, anyway.

It's completely out there.

Let's not rule out anyone on the Syracuse staff may be poking around for another team besides Syracuse for next year.

Let's also not rule out the concept/idea of  Shaka/MU hyping up one of their guys that they know will be moving on to allow said player to get better offers if/as he departs.

Not saying it's happening in this case, but I could see it happening with someone like Damarius if Shaka and player decide to move on.

It would be more difficult to pull off with Caedin  :o

Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2026, 05:56:44 PMI don't think anyone here doubts that "tampering" is going on all the time. Someone representing School A calls an agent or parent or even the player himself from School B  to express interest? Like it or not (and I vote not), that no doubt happens every freakin' day.

It's the idea that a representative of School A calls his counterpart at School B to inquire about possibly poaching a player from School A that seems a little out there. To me, anyway.

Al and Dean Smith were friends and if my memory is correct Dean referred a player, who I can't remember as well, to Al
and he ended up playing for Marquette.

On another note you are I correct and gladly admit, I don't know a lot.

Quote from: DoctorV on February 22, 2026, 09:33:45 PMLet's also not rule out the concept/idea of  Shaka/MU hyping up one of their guys that they know will be moving on to allow said player to get better offers if/as he departs.

Not saying it's happening in this case, but I could see it happening with someone like Damarius if Shaka and player decide to move on.

It would be more difficult to pull off with Caedin  :o

I imagine another high major would take a flyer on him if they get ahold of his summer hook shot training program footage

Quote from: DoctorV on February 22, 2026, 09:33:45 PMLet's also not rule out the concept/idea of  Shaka/MU hyping up one of their guys that they know will be moving on to allow said player to get better offers if/as he departs.

Not saying it's happening in this case, but I could see it happening with someone like Damarius if Shaka and player decide to move on.

It would be more difficult to pull off with Caedin  :o

Shaka would certainly do whatever he could to help any player that is moving on find the best opportunity. 

But zero chance that would be part of the calculus for a hype video like the one that was just shared.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 23, 2026, 06:32:10 AMAl and Dean Smith were friends and if my memory is correct Dean referred a player, who I can't remember as well, to Al
and he ended up playing for Marquette.

On another note you are I correct and gladly admit, I don't know a lot.

I believe that player was Jim Boylan. Dean Smith was not taking transfers at that point.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 23, 2026, 06:32:10 AMAl and Dean Smith were friends and if my memory is correct Dean referred a player, who I can't remember as well, to Al
and he ended up playing for Marquette.

Situation is not remotely the same.

Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2026, 12:09:19 PMSituation is not remotely the same.

...but what is the same is that a representative of School A called his counterpart at School B.

Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2026, 12:09:19 PMSituation is not remotely the same.

Agree.