I know it's already in the basketball thread, but might as well get this one going.
Jerome Tang out.
Shaka to K-State?
Quote from: Pakuni on February 15, 2026, 08:30:11 PMI know it's already in the basketball thread, but might as well get this one going.
Jerome Tang out.
Shaka to K-State?
No
UMKC also announced that Manzies will finish out the season, but Mark Turgeon will replace him next year. Kind of strange.
Pakuni to K-State!
Quote from: asdfasdf on February 16, 2026, 08:03:46 AMUMKC also announced that Manzies will finish out the season, but Mark Turgeon will replace him next year. Kind of strange.
He's from Kansas. He wasn't going to get a high major gig and likely has plenty of money.
K-State is an interesting money situation.
They owe Tang almost $19 million. They also have one of the more expensive rosters ($8 million) in college basketball.
Quote from: Tarragona on February 16, 2026, 08:19:26 AMK-State is an interesting money situation.
They owe Tang almost $19 million. They also have one of the more expensive rosters ($8 million) in college basketball.
They are attempting to fire him for cause so they won't have to owe him the $$$. I think its pretty questionable honestly.
Quote from: Tarragona on February 16, 2026, 08:19:26 AMThey owe Tang almost $19 million. They also have one of the more expensive rosters ($8 million) in college basketball.
#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2026, 08:27:14 AMThey are attempting to fire him for cause so they won't have to owe him the $$$. I think its pretty questionable honestly.
yeah, that's weak as hell. It's a settlement strategy but it's dumb because Tang will fight it and it will end up costing K-State more in the long run.
K-State has a huge NIL program, they'll be able to attract a lot of attractive candidates. Calhoun from Utah State is someone they should target immediately, especially with his Huggins ties.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2026, 08:27:14 AMThey are attempting to fire him for cause so they won't have to owe him the $$$. I think its pretty questionable honestly.
I'm aware. And that likely means they will meet in the middle to settle, however you want to define the word middle.
But he is likely getting paid a lot of money, in addition to their team roster money and replacement roster money, and in addition to the money for a new coach. He had a contract through 2030.
All of this makes K-State a little less desirable for some coaches with options and leverage.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 16, 2026, 08:28:30 AM#FakeNews #Lies
Curious what is fake about that? It its being reported that K state owes Tang 18 plus million:
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2023191460724535424
It is also been reported that K state spent big in the portal this past offseason. K state paid 2 players 4.5 - 5 million combined - Haggerty and Kostic.
https://www.cjonline.com/story/sports/college/cat-zone/2026/02/09/kansas-state-basketball-nil-name-image-likeness-spending-jerome-tang/88533013007/
Quote from: MUbiz on February 16, 2026, 09:15:25 AMCurious what is fake about that? It its being reported that K state owes Tang 18 plus million:
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2023191460724535424
It is also been reported that K state spent big in the portal this past offseason. K state paid 2 players 4.5 - 5 million combined - Haggerty and Kostic.
https://www.cjonline.com/story/sports/college/cat-zone/2026/02/09/kansas-state-basketball-nil-name-image-likeness-spending-jerome-tang/88533013007/
Reported by Goodman. That's like a mentally ill guy on the corner screaming out stuff. Be careful of your sources. It's false.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 16, 2026, 09:34:10 AMReported by Goodman. That's like a mentally ill guy on the corner screaming out stuff. Be careful of your sources. It's false.
It is not just being reported by Goodman though. Also reported by USA today and Matt Norlander - and many other sources.
https://x.com/MattGlenesk/status/2023220001390436769
https://x.com/MattNorlander/status/2023208578551840817
^^ they dumb
So what are the facts, JB?
Quote from: MU82 on February 16, 2026, 10:44:55 AMSo what are the facts, JB?
Who needs facts in today's world?
Quote from: romey on February 16, 2026, 02:20:55 PMWho needs facts in today's world?
About as useful as fax. But not as helpful as FAQs
Was talking to a lawyer today who looked at the clauses in Tang's contract and his response was "would you be surprised to learn K-State doesn't have a law school?"
Basically said if they try to push this they'll end up paying the full buyout and then some.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 16, 2026, 03:26:27 PMWas talking to a lawyer today who looked at the clauses in Tang's contract and his response was "would you be surprised to learn K-State doesn't have a law school?"
Basically said if they try to push this they'll end up paying the full buyout and then some.
Myron Medcalf mentioned this yesterday, as well as the message it sends to potential candidates. K-State is screwed:
https://x.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/2023227569164677472
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 16, 2026, 03:54:45 PMMyron Medcalf mentioned this yesterday, as well as the message it sends to potential candidates. K-State is screwed:
https://x.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/2023227569164677472
I suppose I'd be willing to get paid $3MM/year to coach KState.
I kinda think we hear this every year a school plays hardball...and it usually works out.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2026, 06:04:12 PMI kinda think we hear this every year a school plays hardball...and it usually works out.
LSU trying to fire Brian Kelly for cause didn't scare away Lane Kiffin.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 16, 2026, 05:19:38 PMI suppose I'd be willing to get paid $3MM/year to coach KState.
I'll do it for $2M. ;)
Quote from: Pakuni on February 16, 2026, 06:18:57 PMLSU trying to fire Brian Kelly for cause didn't scare away Lane Kiffin.
I'm thinking "screwed" in terms of losing the suit and paying out more than $19 million, along with likely having to go above market to hire a proven coach. They went the hot assistant route the last time and other than crazy run in 2023 (thanks to Weber's recruits) it blew up on them.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 16, 2026, 03:54:45 PMMyron Medcalf mentioned this yesterday, as well as the message it sends to potential candidates. K-State is screwed:
https://x.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/2023227569164677472
I can't find it right now, but I saw a tweet from a KSU blogger that basically listed 10-12 bad/disastrous things that Tang has done/overseen over the last year plus before the national media keyed in on him following the press conference comments. Needless to say nobody there is that sad to see him go, especially given they went from an Elite 8 to a bottom 3 team in the B12 within 3 years. And unlike the complaints about Shaka, they spent BIG in the portal and still absolutely stink.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 17, 2026, 01:31:38 PMI can't find it right now, but I saw a tweet from a KSU blogger that basically listed 10-12 bad/disastrous things that Tang has done/overseen over the last year plus before the national media keyed in on him following the press conference comments. Needless to say nobody there is that sad to see him go, especially given they went from an Elite 8 to a bottom 3 team in the B12 within 3 years. And unlike the complaints about Shaka, they spent BIG in the portal and still absolutely stink.
I have to believe that there is more to the story than just the post game rant. KSU can't be that ignorant.
Quote from: Tarragona on February 16, 2026, 08:36:11 AMI'm aware. And that likely means they will meet in the middle to settle, however you want to define the word middle.
But he is likely getting paid a lot of money, in addition to their team roster money and replacement roster money, and in addition to the money for a new coach. He had a contract through 2030.
All of this makes K-State a little less desirable for some coaches with options and leverage.
No chance they meet in the middle. Tang is going to get his money.
Does anyone else keep tabs on Mick Cronin's antics? He's an absolute soundbite machine. He HATES being in the Big Ten and complains about the travel constantly. If Ed Cooley gets fired from Georgetown for some reason, that's who I'd want taking over for the Hoyas.
The Big East has so many fun coaches with Pitino and Hurley. One more character would be more than welcome.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on February 18, 2026, 01:25:51 PMDoes anyone else keep tabs on Mick Cronin's antics? He's an absolute soundbite machine. He HATES being in the Big Ten and complains about the travel constantly. If Ed Cooley gets fired from Georgetown for some reason, that's who I'd want taking over for the Hoyas.
The Big East has so many fun coaches with Pitino and Hurley. One more character would be more than welcome.
I don't think Cronin is all that fun. He's a crank. And there is no way I want his type of basketball in the Big East again.
Steve Lavin out at San Diego. Hopefully Fox can get him back in the studio.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 18, 2026, 01:38:21 PMI don't think Cronin is all that fun. He's a crank. And there is no way I want his type of basketball in the Big East again.
Yeah, agree with this. He's a whiney lil b1tch. I'm not even sure how tall he is, but in my mind he's a loud mouth 5'5" guy
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 18, 2026, 04:14:39 PMYeah, agree with this. He's a whiney lil b1tch. I'm not even sure how tall he is, but in my mind he's a loud mouth 5'5" guy
I had no problem with his response to the reporter about the students. The reporter, probably a blogger or podcaster, was trying to bait him into criticizing the Izzone, especially after Izzo asked them not to boo Booker.
I think Chris Jans makes a lot of sense for K-State.
I've seen Casey Alexander's name in some of the job search discussion. But I think ot will be raise, extension, budget increase, and staying at Belmont.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 18, 2026, 01:38:21 PMI don't think Cronin is all that fun. He's a crank. And there is no way I want his type of basketball in the Big East again.
Cronin is giving off some of those those "I want out" vibes. UCLA has been making a lot of moves to shore up football and much less regarding basketball.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 24, 2026, 09:27:14 AMCronin is giving off some of those those "I want out" vibes. UCLA has been making a lot of moves to shore up football and much less regarding basketball.
UCLA has pretty good basketball money. Maybe not top 10, but close to it, just beyond that. Most places Cronin would go to next, would have less basketball money, and less resources than UCLA. He may talk like they are little sisters of the poor, but they have competitive basketball money. Cronin also has a pretty close knit family situation in L.A. as well. I don't see him choosing to leave vs being asked to leave.
Quote from: DFW HOYA on February 24, 2026, 09:27:14 AMCronin is giving off some of those those "I want out" vibes. UCLA has been making a lot of moves to shore up football and much less regarding basketball.
Now with AI they can bring John Wooden back.
Quote from: Tarragona on February 24, 2026, 09:53:41 AMUCLA has pretty good basketball money. Maybe not top 10, but close to it, just beyond that. Most places Cronin would go to next, would have less basketball money, and less resources than UCLA. He may talk like they are little sisters of the poor, but they have competitive basketball money.
UCLA dedicated a larger share of Rev Share to basketball than most programs in the country, but with the hiring of Chesney, that will change. Cronin is frustrated at UCLA because he took a Pac-12 job, where the most difficult trip was Pullman, WA, not Piscataway, NJ. Three back to backs to the Eastern or Central Time Zone and a one-off trip to Minnesota. Meanwhile, the "traditional" Big Ten teams only go west once.
If we're talking conference schools, I think Cronin would be a good fit at PC or Butler. At K-State he'd have a deep NIL budget too.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 24, 2026, 10:37:05 AMUCLA dedicated a larger share of Rev Share to basketball than most programs in the country, but with the hiring of Chesney, that will change. Cronin is frustrated at UCLA because he took a Pac-12 job, where the most difficult trip was Pullman, WA, not Piscataway, NJ. Three back to backs to the Eastern or Central Time Zone and a one-off trip to Minnesota. Meanwhile, the "traditional" Big Ten teams only go west once.
If we're talking conference schools, I think Cronin would be a good fit at PC or Butler. At K-State he'd have a deep NIL budget too.
Must be hard to be paid $6 million a year to coach basketball.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 24, 2026, 10:37:05 AMUCLA dedicated a larger share of Rev Share to basketball than most programs in the country
Source?
Quote from: The Sultan on February 24, 2026, 10:38:55 AMMust be hard to be paid $6 million a year to coach basketball.
$4.5 million, but when you are judged on wins and losses and under constant scrutiny by the media and fans who still live in the 70s, it isn't easy.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 24, 2026, 10:57:34 AM$4.5 million, but when you are judged on wins and losses and under constant scrutiny by the media and fans who still live in the 70s, it isn't easy.
#FakeNews #Lies
You need read the actual contract and understand it to get a good understanding of comp. $4.5M is just a headline. It's his base + talent fee each year.
If they don't fire him right after this season and stays, he gets another $500k. And some of the bonuses are easy.. for example, if single year APR is just 930 (anything less and you're in the trouble zone -- it's an awful mark) that's another $55k. They get into the tourney.. $45k just for making the field.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 24, 2026, 10:57:34 AM$4.5 million, but when you are judged on wins and losses and under constant scrutiny by the media and fans who still live in the 70s, it isn't easy.
wonder what thats like ::)
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 24, 2026, 10:37:05 AMUCLA dedicated a larger share of Rev Share to basketball than most programs in the country, but with the hiring of Chesney, that will change. Cronin is frustrated at UCLA because he took a Pac-12 job, where the most difficult trip was Pullman, WA, not Piscataway, NJ. Three back to backs to the Eastern or Central Time Zone and a one-off trip to Minnesota. Meanwhile, the "traditional" Big Ten teams only go west once.
If we're talking conference schools, I think Cronin would be a good fit at PC or Butler. At K-State he'd have a deep NIL budget too.
I don't think I could ever see Cronin going to Providence or Butler. I'm not wholly familiar with their NIL situation/standing in the new NCAA realm, but Capel is gonna get fired at Pitt and that on paper matches up pretty well with what Cronin is comfortable with before the move to UCLA out of right field.
Or maybe he wants to go back to Cincy if they move on from Miller now that its a P5 major conference job ;D
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 24, 2026, 10:57:34 AM$4.5 million, but when you are judged on wins and losses and under constant scrutiny by the media and fans who still live in the 70s, it isn't easy.
Shaka, "Sounds familiar"!
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 24, 2026, 11:11:52 AM#FakeNews #Lies
You need read the actual contract and understand it to get a good understanding of comp. $4.5M is just a headline. It's his base + talent fee each year.
If they don't fire him right after this season and stays, he gets another $500k. And some of the bonuses are easy.. for example, if single year APR is just 930 (anything less and you're in the trouble zone -- it's an awful mark) that's another $55k. They get into the tourney.. $45k just for making the field.
You need 'to' read...
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 24, 2026, 10:41:27 AMSource?
A friend who was the director of an EYBL program who helped get one of his former players $1 million to go there.
What do you care anyway if UCLA is allocating 20% instead of the usual 15% most P4 programs do?
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2026345105922089259?s=20
How poor is Xavier?
https://www.wvxu.org/education/2025-09-25/xavier-enrollment-slide
"This semester, the university posted its lowest total enrollment in years. Recently released data shows that 673 freshmen enrolled at Xavier this fall, leaving the school with a total enrollment of less than 5,000 students in all of its undergraduate and graduate programs.
In 2011, the university's total enrollment was 6,945. Since then, enrollment has dropped by nearly 2,000 students."
And, while this is a couple years old, it still holds...
https://x.com/hoyatalk/status/1635754047025164291
Quote from: Pakuni on February 24, 2026, 02:29:31 PMhttps://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2026345105922089259?s=20
But would Providence highly consider Little Richard? Fire a coach that's currently 5-11 in the Big East and replace him with another coach who is 5-11 in the BE. Genius!
Quote from: The Sultan on February 24, 2026, 02:38:17 PMHow poor is Xavier?
https://www.wvxu.org/education/2025-09-25/xavier-enrollment-slide
"This semester, the university posted its lowest total enrollment in years. Recently released data shows that 673 freshmen enrolled at Xavier this fall, leaving the school with a total enrollment of less than 5,000 students in all of its undergraduate and graduate programs.
In 2011, the university's total enrollment was 6,945. Since then, enrollment has dropped by nearly 2,000 students."
And, while this is a couple years old, it still holds...
X deliberately reduced enrollment as their retention rates were poor (under 80%). They shifted towards recruiting students who were more likely to return as sophomores, particularly those who could afford it financially. The rate was around 87% last year. There are financial issues at X, but the enrollment decline isn't as alarming as the article makes it seem.
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.xavier.edu/announcements/documents/preslettertocampusfinal-23-may-2025.pdf
We're also seeing schools across the country, public and private, making cuts to the general institution (DePaul is one, we've made cuts too), but the athletic programs remain unscathed.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 24, 2026, 03:22:29 PMX deliberately reduced enrollment as their retention rates were poor (under 80%). They shifted towards recruiting students who were more likely to return as sophomores, particularly those who could afford it financially. The rate was around 87% last year. There are financial issues at X, but the enrollment decline isn't as alarming as the article makes it seem.
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.xavier.edu/announcements/documents/preslettertocampusfinal-23-may-2025.pdf
We're also seeing schools across the country, public and private, making cuts to the general institution (DePaul is one, we've made cuts too), but the athletic programs remain unscathed.
They are down 2,000 students. Increasing freshman to sophomore retention by 10% wouldn't even make up for a quarter of that figure.
But also, the article mentions a $16 million budget deficit. And the fact that they want to grow enrollment by adding a bunch of new majors.
It's a very poor school by Big East standards.
Isn't Xavier opening a med school soon?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2026, 03:42:23 PMIsn't Xavier opening a med school soon?
A College of Osteopathic Medicine...yes.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 24, 2026, 03:47:16 PMA College of Osteopathic Medicine...yes.
aka a medical school
Quote from: panda on February 24, 2026, 03:48:38 PMaka a medical school
Right. Which is why I said "yes."
Quote from: The Sultan on February 24, 2026, 03:54:21 PMRight. Which is why I said "yes."
lol - you said other things too
Quote from: panda on February 24, 2026, 03:59:08 PMlol - you said other things too
Yes. I was providing more detail. I wasn't meaning anything else by it.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 24, 2026, 04:03:05 PMYes. I was providing more detail. I wasn't meaning anything else by it.
🤝🤝
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 24, 2026, 03:12:54 PMBut would Providence highly consider Little Richard? Fire a coach that's currently 5-11 in the Big East and replace him with another coach who is 5-11 in the BE. Genius!
Not that I'm the biggest Richard Pitino fan, but you're firing a coach who was a very speculative hire with no real track record of success (34-29/18-16 in 2 years at George Mason which was basically what the program had been doing under Paulsen before him) to hire a coach who has taken 2 different teams to the NCAA and won a game there, won an NIT, and is an alumni. He has started slow at X, but Pitino's resume stomps all over English's
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48016298/mens-college-basketball-2026-coaching-carousel-hot-seat-guide-candidates
Borzello article that touches on the Pitino rumors and why it's unlikely. TLDR; not enough $ to fire English and bring in Pitino.
Also worth noting, to nobody's surprise, Shaka is not mentioned in the "jobs that could open" category, the "probably at least a year away" category, or the "candidates to keep an eye on" category.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 25, 2026, 10:17:58 AMhttps://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48016298/mens-college-basketball-2026-coaching-carousel-hot-seat-guide-candidates
Borzello article that touches on the Pitino rumors and why it's unlikely. TLDR; not enough $ to fire English and bring in Pitino.
Also worth noting, to nobody's surprise, Shaka is not mentioned in the "jobs that could open" category, the "probably at least a year away" category, or the "candidates to keep an eye on" category.
Field of 68 is just creating engagement at this point. "Sources" equals "our team."
Meanwhile, all signs point to Matta returning:
https://x.com/THEAkeemGlaspie/status/2026642109290197246
Isn't there another rumor that McDermott may leave to go to ASU (Hurley isn't signed beyond this year)?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 25, 2026, 10:50:46 AMIsn't there another rumor that McDermott may leave to go to ASU (Hurley isn't signed beyond this year)?
Maybe to live in Arizona in retirement.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2026, 11:23:47 AMMaybe to live in Arizona in retirement.
agreed. That's just idle social media chatter.
However, one I could see is Randy Bennett, an AZ native, pulling a Jim Larranaga and taking the ASU job, especially with the WCC losing Gonzaga.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 25, 2026, 11:38:02 AMagreed. That's just idle social media chatter.
However, one I could see is Randy Bennett, an AZ native, pulling a Jim Larranaga and taking the ASU job, especially with the WCC losing Gonzaga.
He's older than McDermott.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 25, 2026, 11:40:08 AMHe's older than McDermott.
Unlike McDermott, he hasn't announced plans to retire and has never been at a high major. As I said, it could be a Laranega situation. Bennett could have a high-major job (and high-major salary) to end his career. He could, at a minimum, triple his salary at ASU.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 25, 2026, 10:07:02 AMNot that I'm the biggest Richard Pitino fan, but you're firing a coach who was a very speculative hire with no real track record of success (34-29/18-16 in 2 years at George Mason which was basically what the program had been doing under Paulsen before him) to hire a coach who has taken 2 different teams to the NCAA and won a game there, won an NIT, and is an alumni. He has started slow at X, but Pitino's resume stomps all over English's
Don't get me wrong, Kim English very much should be fired. I was also very skeptical of his hiring in the first place.
But Richard Pitino made only 2 NCAA tournaments in 8 years at Minnesota. He's made a grand total of 4 NCAA tournaments in 13 (soon to be 14) years as a head coach.
Do you think that is what Providence should aspire to?
Randy Bennett:
12 NCAA Tourneys. Finished 1st or 2nd in 19 of 25 years.
He's coached in the WCC 36 out of the past 40 years. He hasn't lived in AZ in 44 years. In those 44 years, ASU has made the NCAA Tourney 8 times.
Bennett makes just under $2 million. Hurley makes $3.6 million total comp, 11 years into the job.
Bennett's contract is up next year. I expect to see another Bennett extension at St. Mary's, with raise and roster $ budget bump. I don't see him going to ASU or elsewhere. He has a good situation.
Quote from: Tarragona on February 25, 2026, 12:54:31 PMBennett makes just under $2 million. Hurley makes $3.6 million total comp, 11 years into the job.
#FakeNews #Lies
I could see Schirtz going to ASU.
(Just want to see a head explode in here.)
Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2026, 01:46:21 PMI could see Schirtz going to ASU.
(Just want to see a head explode in here.)
I actually think he would be a great fit there. ASU shows a significant amount of ambition compared to SLU. Additionally, St. Louis is just a disgusting place to live, raise a family etc. I think anyone with half a brain would jump at the opportunity to go to one of our nations most esteemed universities in Arizona State.
I don't believe Shaka Smart will leave MU for Arizona State. I also don't believe Greg McDermott will leave Creighton to coach ASU.
Quote from: panda on February 25, 2026, 01:53:28 PMI actually think he would be a great fit there. ASU shows a significant amount of ambition compared to SLU. Additionally, St. Louis is just a disgusting place to live, raise a family etc. I think anyone with half a brain would jump at the opportunity to go to one of our nations most esteemed universities in Arizona State.
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Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 25, 2026, 12:53:26 PMDon't get me wrong, Kim English very much should be fired. I was also very skeptical of his hiring in the first place.
But Richard Pitino made only 2 NCAA tournaments in 8 years at Minnesota. He's made a grand total of 4 NCAA tournaments in 13 (soon to be 14) years as a head coach.
Do you think that is what Providence should aspire to?
Aspire to be? No. But considering what Minnesota has always been and especially what they've been since he left, I think he did a pretty good job there. Gave New Mexico their first success since Steve Alford too.
If they think he's a guy that's had success despite bad coaching situations, I could see them making an offer. And I think he could have success similar to what Cooley had there.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 24, 2026, 03:12:54 PMBut would Providence highly consider Little Richard? Fire a coach that's currently 5-11 in the Big East and replace him with another coach who is 5-11 in the BE. Genius!
His dad did okay as the coach of Providence.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 25, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHis dad did okay as the coach of Providence.
Is the implication here that this is relevant?
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 25, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHis dad did okay as the coach of Providence.
I guess we should hire Allie!!!
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 25, 2026, 03:22:45 PMHis dad did okay as the coach of Providence.
They are very different people. I would be shocked if Richard ever pulled a Porcini.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 25, 2026, 02:54:17 PMAspire to be? No. But considering what Minnesota has always been and especially what they've been since he left, I think he did a pretty good job there. Gave New Mexico their first success since Steve Alford too.
If they think he's a guy that's had success despite bad coaching situations, I could see them making an offer. And I think he could have success similar to what Cooley had there.
Exactly. Was he good at Minnesota? Not really, but Minnesota has a whopping 5 NCAA appearances (and 2 first round wins) in the 25+ years since Clem Haskins. Dan Monson didn't win there, Tubby Smith didn't. Pitino winning an NCAA game there basically makes him the 2nd most successful Gopher coach this millenium.
But his rebound at New Mexico is what made him qualified for Xavier and, more so, Providence. It's not a perennial winner of a job which made what Alford did even more impressive initially. Fraschilla didn't make NCAAs there, Ritchie McKay had a single good year there with Danny Granger and got fired shortly thereafter. The 8 years after Alford left had a single 20+ win season (with Alford's players the year after) and Pitino inherited a program that won 6 games the year before. Getting them to a 26 win team in the NCAAs as an at large 3 years later was a hell of a coaching job and the reason he was a hot name again despite the Minnesota stumbles.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 25, 2026, 12:53:26 PMDon't get me wrong, Kim English very much should be fired. I was also very skeptical of his hiring in the first place.
But Richard Pitino made only 2 NCAA tournaments in 8 years at Minnesota. He's made a grand total of 4 NCAA tournaments in 13 (soon to be 14) years as a head coach.
Do you think that is what Providence should aspire to?
If I heard correctly watching the XU - Providence game, Richard graduated from Providence and got his first basketball coaching job at Providence.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 26, 2026, 05:15:01 AMIf I heard correctly watching the XU - Providence game, Richard graduated from Providence and got his first basketball coaching job at Providence.
I'm well aware of his ties to Providence. Personally, I think the alumni factor is way overrated when it comes to hiring basketball coaches.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 26, 2026, 05:15:01 AMIf I heard correctly watching the XU - Providence game, Richard graduated from Providence and got his first basketball coaching job at Providence.
He was the student manager. He never coached there.
What Big East head coaching positions do we think will open as of today?
I think Providence will be the only job that opens this cycle. Everyone else returns next year.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 26, 2026, 09:55:17 AMWhat Big East head coaching positions do we think will open as of today?
I think Providence will be the only job that opens this cycle. Everyone else returns next year.
Xavier, maybe Butler as well. Don't count out Georgetown.
Butler, possibly Georgetown and Providence. Matta will probably be encouraged to retire or just do it on his own. English and Cooley seats are getting very warm, so we shall see. If Provdience opens up, Pitiino,Jr is a possibility as he is a Providence alum and was a team manager under Tim Walsh. So, Xavier a possibility as well.
One, if Matta decides to walk away. I just don't think PC will be eager to part with the money required to fire English and bring in Rick Jr.
Quote from: Nukem2 on February 26, 2026, 10:18:37 AMButler, possibly Georgetown and Providence. Matta will probably be encouraged to retire or just do it on his own. English and Cooley seats are getting very warm, so we shall see. If Provdience opens up, Pitiino,Jr is a possibility as he is a Providence alum and was a team manager under Tim Walsh. So, Xavier a possibility as well.
I doubt Cooley's seat is any hotter than Shaka's right now, much less very warm. Both will be warm next year if they have seasons similar to the ones they're having.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2026, 10:34:22 AMI doubt Cooley's seat is any hotter than Shaka's right now, much less very warm. Both will be warm next year if they have seasons similar to the ones they're having.
I know of a P4 coach who is campaigning for the PC job that will come with no buyout. Unless Matta walks away he's back at Butler next year after reading an interview with their AD. There could be a succession plan set up.
This was on ESPN.com yesterday from Borzello regarding Cooley.
In reality, Ed Cooley is arguably the safest name on this list. He's only three years into a long-term contract that reportedly pays him nearly $6 million a season, and the Hoyas have poured plenty of resources into helping him be the coach to return them to their glory days. It hasn't gone well thus far, with Cooley entering the week with a 15-41 record in Big East play since taking over in the District. But he'll get at least another season to turn it around.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2026, 10:34:22 AMI doubt Cooley's seat is any hotter than Shaka's right now, much less very warm. Both will be warm next year if they have seasons similar to the ones they're having.
Cooley will be fired after next year without progress.
He's under .500 (.419) overall since he started, and just over .250 (.263) since he came in.
A total embarrassment, and I really wouldn't be surprised if he was sent packing after this season.
People think too much about buyouts. If a coach sucks for too long it can ruin your program very quickly. Syracuse, Pitt, Stanford, Maryland, were perennial power houses but each has fallen on hard times after bad hires. Georgetown is also right at the top of that list.
If a school is serious about hoops (or football) they're not keeping a guy around just because their contract is prohibitively expensive. Money will always be found for a change.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 26, 2026, 11:10:16 AMPeople think too much about buyouts. If a coach sucks for too long it can ruin your program very quickly. Syracuse, Pitt, Stanford, Maryland, were perennial power houses but each has fallen on hard times after bad hires. Georgetown is also right at the top of that list.
If a school is serious about hoops (or football) they're not keeping a guy around just because their contract is prohibitively expensive. Money will always be found for a change.
Stanford has not fallen on hard times under Kyle Smith.
As for the buyouts, in football, yes, but right now, many P4 in that middle level that you mentioned would rather have donors give an eight-figure amount to football NIL than to buy out a hoops coach.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 26, 2026, 10:53:53 AMI know of a P4 coach who is campaigning for the PC job that will come with no buyout.
Porter Moser parachuting to Providence?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 26, 2026, 11:32:08 AMPorter Moser parachuting to Providence?
Better fit than Oklahoma, but there's really no reason to think that Moser would do serious winning at Providence, either.
Quote from: MU82 on February 26, 2026, 12:20:00 PMBetter fit than Oklahoma, but there's really no reason to think that Moser would do serious winning at Providence, either.
Agree. I thought that he would be good at Oklahoma. Loyola was his high-water mark, and Sister Jean is no longer at courtside to guide him both in bball or to pray for divine intervention.
Wayne Tinkle out at Oregon State.
Pissed away his opportunity there.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2026, 01:46:24 PMWayne Tinkle out at Oregon State.
Pissed away his opportunity there.
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Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2026, 01:46:24 PMWayne Tinkle out at Oregon State.
Pissed away his opportunity there.
Milwaukee native.
Anyway, that Elite 8 run he made in the Covid tournament was something huh?
Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2026, 01:46:24 PMWayne Tinkle out at Oregon State.
Pissed away his opportunity there.
Mid-Major Madness
‪@mid-majormadness.bsky.social‬
When it Waynes it Tinkles
Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2026, 01:46:24 PMWayne Tinkle out at Oregon State.
Pissed away his opportunity there.
It could have been worse. He could have been named Wang Tinkle.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 26, 2026, 03:22:41 PMIt could have been worse. He could have been named Wang Tinkle.
Or Dick Trickle.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 26, 2026, 02:41:12 PMMilwaukee native.
Anyway, that Elite 8 run he made in the Covid tournament was something huh?
He was done until that crazy run - Pac 12 title then the Elite Eight.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 25, 2026, 10:33:19 AMField of 68 is just creating engagement at this point. "Sources" equals "our team."
Meanwhile, all signs point to Matta returning:
https://x.com/THEAkeemGlaspie/status/2026642109290197246
I didn't read it that way at all. The quote basically says Y1-3 were the fault of admin, but this year they gave Thad the money to be competitive so the failures are all on him. Definitely a "we're considering a different direction" comment.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2026, 09:58:02 AMI didn't read it that way at all. The quote basically says Y1-3 were the fault of admin, but this year they gave Thad the money to be competitive so the failures are all on him. Definitely a "we're considering a different direction" comment.
Thad will come back with "yes, you did, and our big money guy was lost for the season in early December." They did really well in the non-conference (hey knocked off UVA) before the injuries took their toll.
Officially official.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2029634964761751930?s=20
Joe Gallo from Merrimack, makes sense for Providence.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 05, 2026, 02:40:34 PMJoe Gallo from Merrimack, makes sense for Providence.
He's never worked at a school larger than the one he is at now. Even as an assistant. (I guess outside of being an assistant at Dartmouth.)
I think he would need a step before coming up to the Big East.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2026, 02:58:25 PMHe's never worked at a school larger than the one he is at now. Even as an assistant. (I guess outside of being an assistant at Dartmouth.)
I think he would need a step before coming up to the Big East.
Josh Schertz would be great at Providence.
https://x.com/wesleyscoops/status/2029612461981089912?s=61
Sounds like there might be an opening at Cal State-Bakersfield.
https://x.com/espn/status/2029586065502126531?s=20
Quote from: MuMark on March 05, 2026, 03:19:36 PMhttps://x.com/wesleyscoops/status/2029612461981089912?s=61
I can't believe he's ruling out Coach K already. Very short sighted.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2026, 03:28:27 PMSounds like there might be an opening at Cal State-Bakersfield.
https://x.com/espn/status/2029586065502126531?s=20
Michigan State has offered him the job to replace Izzo?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 05, 2026, 03:13:57 PMJosh Schertz would be great at Providence.
I would think he could wait for a bigger job to open up. Most of SLU's core is returning (portal contingent) and PC is a heavy lift. I would think he'd wait for a higher profile opening than PC.
Quote from: panda on March 05, 2026, 03:34:52 PMI would think he could wait for a bigger job to open up. Most of SLU's core is returning (portal contingent) and PC is a heavy lift. I would think he'd wait for a higher profile opening than PC.
Yep, Schetrz isn't going to PC. He's paid handsomely at SLU and has the biggest NIL budget in the A10.
I'm joking about Schertz to PC. But he'll be going somewhere this offseason. You can go 26-3 at SLU and be a 9 seed or go 10-8 in the SEC and get a 5 seed while being paid more. Pretty easy choice.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 05, 2026, 04:05:00 PMI'm joking about Schertz to PC. But he'll be going somewhere this offseason. You can go 26-3 at SLU and be a 9 seed or go 10-8 in the SEC and get a 5 seed while being paid more. Pretty easy choice.
Since you mentioned the SEC, I think he's waiting for Tennessee. Barnes can't stay around much longer, can he?
He's over $2 million at SLU and will get a nice raise after this season to stick around. Why not wait for the right job than jumping for a fast payday at a bad fit (e. g., Porter Moser)?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 05, 2026, 04:05:00 PMI'm joking about Schertz to PC. But he'll be going somewhere this offseason. You can go 26-3 at SLU and be a 9 seed or go 10-8 in the SEC and get a 5 seed while being paid more. Pretty easy choice.
Schertz sounded pretty committed to SLU at least for next season in his Postgame Senior Night speech last night.
Maybe waiting for a specific or better job to open in the next few years, but he sounded a lot like a guy headed back to SLU for another year.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2026, 03:28:27 PMSounds like there might be an opening at Cal State-Bakersfield.
https://x.com/espn/status/2029586065502126531?s=20
Quite a side-hustle. Or maybe the coaching was the side hustle...
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 05, 2026, 05:12:57 PMQuite a side-hustle. Or maybe the coaching was the side hustle...
Buddy if you ain't pimpin you ain't tryin
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2026, 05:01:32 PMSchertz sounded pretty committed to SLU at least for next season in his Postgame Senior Night speech last night.
Maybe waiting for a specific or better job to open in the next few years, but he sounded a lot like a guy headed back to SLU for another year.
Yeah man, guys never talk like that and then just leave for a better job and higher paycheck!
Former MU women's coach available again
https://x.com/joel_haas1/status/2029650828085141762?s=61
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 05, 2026, 05:25:20 PMYeah man, guys never talk like that and then just leave for a better job and higher paycheck!
Never said they didn't!
Billy Donovan played at PC. Gotta at least give him a call.
I think Kim English got such a raw deal for his first 2 seasons. They should have been in the tournament his first season. That Bryce Hopkins injury and ensuing crapshow damaged last season's results and made it difficult to navigate the offseason.
This year, though? Lots of portal additions and a some young pieces like Mela, Oswin, and Vaaks all made for a good push to the tournament. Results weren't there for whatever reason. I think it's a bummer he's being let go because next season could have been successful if he kept that core together.
Kim English is completely mediocre...at best.
There are two tiers in the Big East.
Butler, Providence, Seton Hall, and Xavier are the poor schools.
The rest are far more financially well off.
And if you really want to dive down, there are really three tiers because Georgetown has so much money.
I think the tiers are as follows:
Tier 1:
Georgetown
UCONN
Tier 2:
Villanova
St. John's
Creighton
Marquette
Tier 3:
Providence
Butler
Xavier
Tier 4:
DePaul
Seton Hall
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 06, 2026, 10:49:04 AMI think the tiers are as follows:
Tier 1:
Georgetown
UCONN
Tier 2:
Villanova
St. John's
Creighton
Marquette
Tier 3:
Providence
Butler
Xavier
Tier 4:
DePaul
Seton Hall
There is no way Georgetown is in Tier 1 of anything anymore.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 06, 2026, 10:49:04 AMI think the tiers are as follows:
Tier 1:
Georgetown
UCONN
Tier 2:
Villanova
St. John's
Creighton
Marquette
Tier 3:
Providence
Butler
Xavier
Tier 4:
DePaul
Seton Hall
They are talking about finances. Butler, PC, Xavier and Seton Hall have the smallest endowments by a significant margin.
Then you have Creighton and UConn (but they're a public university)
Then another batch of Marquette, DePaul, St. Johns and Villanova.
Then a wide gap to Georgetown.
The Athletic listed 6 possible replacements for English:
Gallo; Bryan Hodgson (S Fla); Moser; Luke Murray (UConn asst); Schertz (while acknowledging that he probably wouldn't leave StL for a non-top-flight job); Steele.
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2026, 11:32:03 AMThe Athletic listed 6 possible replacements for English:
Gallo; Bryan Hodgson (S Fla); Moser; Luke Murray (UConn asst); Schertz (while acknowledging that he probably wouldn't leave StL for a non-top-flight job); Steele.
NO, NOT BEN!
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2026, 11:32:03 AMThe Athletic listed 6 possible replacements for English:
Gallo; Bryan Hodgson (S Fla); Moser; Luke Murray (UConn asst); Schertz (while acknowledging that he probably wouldn't leave StL for a non-top-flight job); Steele.
Luke Murray? Great! Maybe his dad would show up at Fiserv and our band could play Ghostbusters. It's always a gamble giving an assistant his first HC gig, but I think this one may be a good gamble.
I think Moser may be headed back to a mid-major somewhere.
Hey! What about Wojo? ;D
Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2026, 11:32:03 AMThe Athletic listed 6 possible replacements for English:
Gallo; Bryan Hodgson (S Fla); Moser; Luke Murray (UConn asst); Schertz (while acknowledging that he probably wouldn't leave StL for a non-top-flight job); Steele.
Xavier fans heads would explode if Steele lead another BE program to success while Pitino Jr flames out again like at Minnesota.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 06, 2026, 11:50:21 AMXavier fans heads would explode if Steele lead another BE program to success while Pitino Jr flames out again like at Minnesota.
Mack should be the bigger concern. Steele stunk there. Mack has proven to be a good coach at this level. They should've brought him back, but I'm sure they were worried about how it would look if a second straight coach used Xavier as a stepping stone job, for the second time in their career.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2026, 11:51:42 AMMack should be the bigger concern. Steele stunk there. Mack has proven to be a good coach at this level. They should've brought him back, but I'm sure they were worried about how it would look if a second straight coach used Xavier as a stepping stone job, for the second time in their career.
Agreed while the optics would be bad they aren't in a financial position to gamble on coaches and if I recall it was pretty widely known that Mack(as an alum) was only going to leave for Louisville because his wife's from there.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2026, 11:51:42 AMMack should be the bigger concern. Steele stunk there. Mack has proven to be a good coach at this level. They should've brought him back, but I'm sure they were worried about how it would look if a second straight coach used Xavier as a stepping stone job, for the second time in their career.
Steele was the coach while my daughter was a student. He was their Wojo, he could recruit and they'd look mostly good during the season but no NCAA success.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 06, 2026, 09:36:47 AMThere are two tiers in the Big East.
Butler, Providence, Seton Hall, and Xavier are the poor schools.
The rest are far more financially well off.
And if you really want to dive down, there are really three tiers because Georgetown has so much money.
Th
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2026, 11:05:12 AMThey are talking about finances. Butler, PC, Xavier and Seton Hall have the smallest endowments by a significant margin.
Then you have Creighton and UConn (but they're a public university)
Then another batch of Marquette, DePaul, St. Johns and Villanova.
Then a wide gap to Georgetown.
Endowments don't really play into athletics, though. Reportedly, PC has the fourth highest NIL budget in the Big East. Meanwhile, DFW Hoya has posted here that Georgetown athletics is rather cash-strapped despite the billion-dollar endowment of the institution.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2026, 03:28:27 PMSounds like there might be an opening at Cal State-Bakersfield.
https://x.com/espn/status/2029586065502126531?s=20
Like they say, winning basketball games ain't easy...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 06, 2026, 12:34:56 PMTh
Endowments don't really play into athletics, though. Reportedly, PC has the fourth highest NIL budget in the Big East. Meanwhile, DFW Hoya has posted here that Georgetown athletics is rather cash-strapped despite the billion-dollar endowment of the institution.
Of course endowments play into athletics. The more money that is in your endowment, the better your budget relief is across the board. The reason Georgetown athletics is "cash strapped" is a budgetary issue more than a revenue one.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 05, 2026, 04:19:59 PMSince you mentioned the SEC, I think he's waiting for Tennessee. Barnes can't stay around much longer, can he?
He's over $2 million at SLU and will get a nice raise after this season to stick around. Why not wait for the right job than jumping for a fast payday at a bad fit (e. g., Porter Moser)?
Syracuse fans very much want Schertz. Whether the school feels that way remains to be seen.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 06, 2026, 12:28:35 PMSteele was the coach while my daughter was a student. He was their Wojo, he could recruit and they'd look mostly good during the season but no NCAA success.
Ah.....recruiting wasn't Wojo's problem......lol
Quote from: Tums Festival on March 06, 2026, 01:36:38 PMSyracuse fans very much want Schertz. Whether the school feels that way remains to be seen.
Syracuse better do something as their share of the ACC pie is shrinking.
Losing to Marquette was the final straw.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2026, 01:12:16 PMOfficially official.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2029634964761751930?s=20
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2026, 11:05:12 AMThey are talking about finances. Butler, PC, Xavier and Seton Hall have the smallest endowments by a significant margin.
Then you have Creighton and UConn (but they're a public university)
Then another batch of Marquette, DePaul, St. Johns and Villanova.
Then a wide gap to Georgetown.
I don't think Creighton is a public u.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2026, 12:57:58 PMOf course endowments play into athletics. The more money that is in your endowment, the better your budget relief is across the board. The reason Georgetown athletics is "cash strapped" is a budgetary issue more than a revenue one.
Wrong. There are strict limitations on how endowment money is spent. Billy is correct.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 06, 2026, 09:27:06 PMWrong. There are strict limitations on how endowment money is spent. Billy is correct.
No kidding. I work in higher education so I know exactly how endowments work.
Large endowments allow certain programs to be funded through endowment distributions, which frees up money to be directed elsewhere through the general budget.
I will give you an example. The college where I am now has an academic department with three faculty members, which is enough to meet current student demand. Endowments completely underwrite all three faculty members - compensation, research, etc. The department receives no annual budget support through the college. That means that dollars that normally would be funding an academic department, can be reallocated to fund something else.
That's why I said Georgetown's athletic department's funding issues is one of budget and priorities. My guess is that they could easily fund their basketball progream more substantially, but simply choose not to.
Rashon Burno out at Northern Illinois.
That program is wretched. Maybe the move to the Horizon League helps.
Damon Stoudemire out at Georgia Tech.
A couple of former MU assistants, Chris Carrawell and Justin Gainey, reportedly among the leading candidates.
Boston College fires Earl Grant.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2026, 11:32:46 AMDamon Stoudemire out at Georgia Tech.
A couple of former MU assistants, Chris Carrawell and Justin Gainey, reportedly among the leading candidates.
Carrawell always seemed like dead weight on Wojo's staff, a Coach K bootlicker to the core. Wouldn't be excited about that one if I was a GT fan.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 08, 2026, 01:52:47 PMCarrawell always seemed like dead weight on Wojo's staff, a Coach K bootlicker to the core. Wouldn't be excited about that one if I was a GT fan.
What about from a Noon-ball standpoint?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2026, 12:44:05 PMBoston College fires Earl Grant.
Man that is just a poverty athletic department. I have no idea where they can go from here.
Former MU assistant Dwayne Stephens fired by Western Michigan.
San Diego is Hiring Iowa State Assistant JR Blount as its next head coach
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 09, 2026, 02:50:18 PMSan Diego is Hiring Iowa State Assistant JR Blount as its next head coach
Wow. I remember watching him play in high school. He's put together a really nice coaching career.
Not a surprise, but sounds like Bobby Hurley is officially out at ASU once their season ends.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 09, 2026, 02:50:18 PMSan Diego is Hiring Iowa State Assistant JR Blount as its next head coach
He's the guy that steals all the Wisconsin kids away from us.
I can think of a few on their roster I'd love to have over here!
Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on March 09, 2026, 03:33:18 PMHe's the guy that steals all the Wisconsin kids away from us.
I can think of a few on their roster I'd love to have over here!
I thought that was mostly TJO. Although, I'm sure Blount utilized those connections. I just wouldn't expect that pipeline to stop anytime soon.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 09, 2026, 03:36:36 PMI thought that was mostly TJO. Although, I'm sure Blount utilized those connections. I just wouldn't expect that pipeline to stop anytime soon.
I'm sure TJ has a great deal of say in it all but
"Blount has been a major piece for Iowa State in recruiting priority regions in Wisconsin and the Midwest, too. Blount served as a key recruiter for current Cyclone freshmen Jamarion Batemon and Xzavion Mitchell. He also helped Iowa State land 2026 signee Yusef Gray Jr. and is one of Iowa State's lead recruiters for 2027 top 50 nationally ranked recruit Donovan Davis."
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2026, 03:30:41 PMNot a surprise, but sounds like Bobby Hurley is officially out at ASU once their season ends.
Bobby Hurley to Providence?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2026, 03:30:41 PMNot a surprise, but sounds like Bobby Hurley is officially out at ASU once their season ends.
Ive always thought his entire career was pretty fugazi. His brother was clearly the far superior coach during his assistant stints. Funny enough, Rhode Island absolutely stunk when he was an assistant there before taking the Buffalo job. Dan only got them cooking 3-4 years after Bobby left.
Not that he walked into a plum gig in Buffalo, but he inherited a team of mostly juniors and seniors in a down spell for the MAC after Groce left for U of I (but before he came back to Akron), before Kowalczyk got successful at Toledo, none of the head coaches of the "top teams" in the MAC during Hurley's tenure are either back to assistant gigs or HCs at a lower level than mid major. He had 2 decent years, with no significant or impressive non conference wins and a lone NCAA appearance and first round exit. What Oats did at Buffalo after him was VASTLY more impressive even if he had flamed out at Bama.
Then he's been utter garbage at ASU. 11 years of his mediocrity shows how little they actually care about basketball in Tempe. 2 NCAA bids, a First Four appearance, and ZERO postseason wins in 11 seasons...not even an NIT or CBI/CBC win.
If anyone is dumb enough to give him another HC job this season or next, its simply because they loved early 90s Duke and nothing else cause his resume makes Wojo look like Wooden.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 09, 2026, 08:13:27 PMIve always thought his entire career was pretty fugazi. His brother was clearly the far superior coach during his assistant stints. Funny enough, Rhode Island absolutely stunk when he was an assistant there before taking the Buffalo job. Dan only got them cooking 3-4 years after Bobby left.
Not that he walked into a plum gig in Buffalo, but he inherited a team of mostly juniors and seniors in a down spell for the MAC after Groce left for U of I (but before he came back to Akron), before Kowalczyk got successful at Toledo, none of the head coaches of the "top teams" in the MAC during Hurley's tenure are either back to assistant gigs or HCs at a lower level than mid major. He had 2 decent years, with no significant or impressive non conference wins and a lone NCAA appearance and first round exit. What Oats did at Buffalo after him was VASTLY more impressive even if he had flamed out at Bama.
Then he's been utter garbage at ASU. 11 years of his mediocrity shows how little they actually care about basketball in Tempe. 2 NCAA bids, a First Four appearance, and ZERO postseason wins in 11 seasons...not even an NIT or CBI/CBC win.
If anyone is dumb enough to give him another HC job this season or next, its simply because they loved early 90s Duke and nothing else cause his resume makes Wojo look like Wooden.
Hurley hired Oats at Buffalo. He was a high school coach in Michigan where he was coaching E.C. Matthews. Hurley recruited him to Rhode Island.
Matthews was at one point being recruited by Buzz to come to MU.
Adrian Autry getting fired. Hopefully, he will be back in the saddle again soon.
https://x.com/i/status/2031705275904717244
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2026, 10:50:09 AMAdrian Autry getting fired. Hopefully, he will be back in the saddle again soon.
https://x.com/i/status/2031705275904717244
It's got to be Gerry McNamara, right?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 11, 2026, 11:05:26 AMIt's got to be Gerry McNamara, right?
I would guess, but man that feels risky. He really is the only one though if they want to stick with the Boeheim tree. This would be the perfect time to make a break from it though.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 11, 2026, 11:21:13 AMI would guess, but man that feels risky. He really is the only one though if they want to stick with the Boeheim tree. This would be the perfect time to make a break from it though.
You're probably not wrong, but I imagine McNamara is someone they can most easily get the NIL donors to rally behind, which isn't an insignificant consideration for that program.
I'd probably be more perturbed playing against a McNamara team than any of the current BEast coaches. eff that guy
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 11, 2026, 10:50:09 AMAdrian Autry getting fired. Hopefully, he will be back in the saddle again soon.
https://x.com/i/status/2031705275904717244
I think finding a new job is in his Genes.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 11, 2026, 03:01:14 PMI think finding a new job is in his Genes.
He Au-try landing a mid-major job.
https://x.com/angiemachado1/status/2031807438551466035?s=61
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2026, 02:21:27 PMMan that is just a poverty athletic department. I have no idea where they can go from here.
True, true, but who cares? I have a ton of relatives and friends that are BC people, but the
Eagles have been totally insignificant since they took the $$$ for the ACC jump. They got what they deserved.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 11, 2026, 03:40:57 PMTrue, true, but who cares? I have a ton of relatives and friends that are BC people, but the
Eagles have been totally insignificant since they took the $$$ for the ACC jump. They got what they deserved.
And that $$$ is shrinking in the new ACC revenue sharing agreement. :o
Quote from: MuMark on March 11, 2026, 03:23:26 PMhttps://x.com/angiemachado1/status/2031807438551466035?s=61
Oregon State is lucky that Justin Joyner is married to the Oregon Women's Soccer Head Coach.
Would be surpassed when Devendorf gets to the HC level.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 11, 2026, 11:34:00 AMI'd probably be more perturbed playing against a McNamara team than any of the current BEast coaches. eff that guy
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 11, 2026, 04:24:06 PMWould be surpassed when Devendorf gets to the HC level.
Would they allow his double-wide on campus?
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2032293856494985282?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 12, 2026, 10:14:40 PMhttps://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2032293856494985282?s=20
Never guaranteed, but that's a good hire.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 12, 2026, 10:14:40 PMhttps://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2032293856494985282?s=20
That's a good hire for K-State. Big loss for Belmont. Tough day for Belmont people. Casey spent 27 years at Belmont as a player, assistant coach and Head coach. And he spent 31 of the last 33 years in Nashville.
It's a sign of how challenging he thinks that job has become at this time.
He lost some studs that he recruited and developed to the portal. (Richard, Gillespie, Tyson, etc..) with more on the way. That takes a toll.
Someone may need to do a wellness check on wadesworld:
https://x.com/studurando/status/2032471190699188683?s=46
Quote from: Tarragona on March 13, 2026, 10:30:40 AMSomeone may need to do a wellness check on wadesworld:
https://x.com/studurando/status/2032471190699188683?s=46
No coach has ever left after signing a contract extension...
But congrats! If his career goals are to be ranked because they win a bunch of games against bad teams, go 30-4 or whatever, and get a 9 seed, good for him!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2026, 10:49:48 AMNo coach has ever left after signing a contract extension...
But congrats! If his career goals are to be ranked because they win a bunch of games against bad teams, go 30-4 or whatever, and get a 9 seed, good for him!
Or maybe SLU threw a bunch of money at him, likes it there, and realizes that he is only 50 years old and will likely have plenty of opportunities to move if he stays successful.
Remember it took Shaka awhile before he left VCU as well.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 13, 2026, 11:13:55 AMOr maybe SLU threw a bunch of money at him, likes it there, and realizes that he is only 50 years old and will likely have plenty of opportunities to move if he stays successful.
Remember it took Shaka awhile before he left VCU as well.
Correct, he will wait until a job that makes sense opens up. The best jobs to open up so far are Providence, K State, and ASU.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2026, 11:21:10 AMCorrect, he will wait until a job that makes sense opens up. The best jobs to open up so far are Providence, K State, and ASU.
Syracuse is the best job that has opened up.
Two years ago, after committing to SLU, Louisville wanted him but he stuck with his commitment. I doubt he is leaving this time after signing an extension.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 13, 2026, 11:28:52 AMSyracuse is the best job that has opened up.
Two years ago, after committing to SLU, Louisville wanted him but he stuck with his commitment. I doubt he is leaving this time after signing an extension.
You're probably right. I thought some better jobs would open up. They still could due to some retirements, but it looks like bigger jobs will remain filled this offseason.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2026, 10:49:48 AMNo coach has ever left after signing a contract extension...
But congrats! If his career goals are to be ranked because they win a bunch of games against bad teams, go 30-4 or whatever, and get a 9 seed, good for him!
You said several times that he was leaving this year, this cycle. You were wrong.
They have top tier Big East resources, and they would have the 2nd largest endowment in the Big East if they were in it.
You also said they will always be a 9 seed with 30 wins etc....without considering they can keep elevating after just 2 seasons. Majerus knew he could win big there under more challenging circumstances than Schertz. He built NCAA teams that had seeds of 9, 4, and 5. If not for health problems he would have kept that going. There's no reason to believe Schertz can't do that too. Gonzaga and St. Mary's etc did similar.
You also said he could go elsewhere, be 10-8 in conference play and receive a 5 seed. That has only happened a limited number of times ever, and, that is not happening this year.
Lots of rumors Kansas is going to open but the rumors I've seen are they'll go after Todd Golden
Quote from: swoopem on March 13, 2026, 12:10:41 PMLots of rumors Kansas is going to open but the rumors I've seen are they'll go after Todd Golden
That would be right on brand for KU. Klassy University.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2026, 11:30:32 AMYou're probably right. I thought some better jobs would open up. They still could due to some retirements, but it looks like bigger jobs will remain filled this offseason.
It's also about the right fit, not just taking a bigger job with a bigger salary. Shaka to Texas wasn't a good fit, Moser to Oklahoma, Lickliter to Iowa, Capel to Oklahoma (going back a number of years), Grant to BC, and English to PC are some examples off the top of my head. When Tennessee comes open or a Big Ten job, I can see him jumping to that one, but why not get a big payday at SLU and continue to increase his asking price for when he does leave?
Quote from: Tarragona on March 13, 2026, 12:07:34 PMYou said several times that he was leaving this year, this cycle. You were wrong.
It's still pretty early in this cycle SLUser
Quote from: Tarragona on March 13, 2026, 12:07:34 PMYou said several times that he was leaving this year, this cycle. You were wrong.
They have top tier Big East resources, and they would have the 2nd largest endowment in the Big East if they were in it.
You also said they will always be a 9 seed with 30 wins etc....without considering they can keep elevating after just 2 seasons. Majerus knew he could win big there under more challenging circumstances than Schertz. He built NCAA teams that had seeds of 9, 4, and 5. If not for health problems he would have kept that going. There's no reason to believe Schertz can't do that too. Gonzaga and St. Mary's etc did similar.
You also said he could go elsewhere, be 10-8 in conference play and receive a 5 seed. That has only happened a limited number of times ever, and, that is not happening this year.
Congrats in advance in SLU winning the national title, shoothoops.
The only way your favorite school could do better than Schertz would be if they hired Yadi.
https://x.com/reboundrundown/status/2032515664305389680?s=61
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/2032523572988481678?s=61
UNC Greensboro is open and available for Wes Miller.
Jerrod Calhoun is the obvious name for UC if they can get that done.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 13, 2026, 12:07:34 PMYou said several times that he was leaving this year, this cycle. You were wrong.
They have top tier Big East resources, and they would have the 2nd largest endowment in the Big East if they were in it.
You also said they will always be a 9 seed with 30 wins etc....without considering they can keep elevating after just 2 seasons. Majerus knew he could win big there under more challenging circumstances than Schertz. He built NCAA teams that had seeds of 9, 4, and 5. If not for health problems he would have kept that going. There's no reason to believe Schertz can't do that too. Gonzaga and St. Mary's etc did similar.
You also said he could go elsewhere, be 10-8 in conference play and receive a 5 seed. That has only happened a limited number of times ever, and, that is not happening this year.
Did I miss something? Did the MO Senator's letter to the Big East work? When did SLU join the Big East?
I know this will break your heart, but SLU will not be going to 27 straight NCAA Tournaments, 9 straight Sweet 16s, 5 Elite 8s in an 8 year (not including the COVID season) span, or 2 national title games in a 4 year span. But if you want to believe, keep believing! I remember sitting in a bar between the MU vs. Davidson and MU vs. Butler games in Lexington and hearing Butler fans talking about how they were the next Duke and Brad Stevens was never leaving them, he'll be their Coach K. At least it paid off in a Big East invite for Butler, but yeah, that was never happening and SLU will never be Gonzaga.
Also, not sure if you've been paying attention, but college basketball is a little different than it was in 2012. And Rick Majerus only coached one SLU team to the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 13, 2026, 01:48:50 PMDid I miss something? Did the MO Senator's letter to the Big East work? When did SLU join the Big East?
I know this will break your heart, but SLU will not be going to 27 straight NCAA Tournaments, 9 straight Sweet 16s, 5 Elite 8s in a 8 year (not including the COVID season) span, or 2 national title games in a 4 year span. But if you want to believe, keep believing! I remember sitting in a bar between the MU vs. Davidson and MU vs. Butler games in Lexington and hearing Butler fans talking about how they were the next Duke and Brad Stevens was never leaving them, he'll be their Coach K. At least it paid off in a Big East invite for Butler, but yeah, that was never happening and SLU will never be Gonzaga.
Also, not sure if you've been paying attention, but college basketball is a little different than it was in 2012. And Rick Majerus only coached one SLU team to the NCAA Tournament.
I didn't say they joined the Big East. I used the conference as a reference to explain their current resource situation. I also previously posted that their Senator was deflecting and distracting from failure to keep the NFL team (Chiefs) in their state.
I also didn't say any of the other things you listed, nor did I say they would he Gonzaga. I did reference Gonzaga, St. Mary's as something for which they can aspire to be as a program. I could have also said Utah when Majerus was coaching them in the WAC and Mountain West.
Quote from: MuMark on March 13, 2026, 01:28:24 PMhttps://x.com/jonrothstein/status/2032523572988481678?s=61
$14 million buyout. It makes more sense to use that money to build a roster. Plus he reportedly has a strong freshmen class coming in.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2032532782203765076?s=20
Man, that is really an odd quote. Not exactly enthusiastic.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 13, 2026, 02:19:02 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2032532782203765076?s=20
This is shocking.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 13, 2026, 02:21:43 PMMan, that is really an odd quote. Not exactly enthusiastic.
Yes. Something you'd read on PR Newswire after a company renews a contract with a troubled vendor.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 13, 2026, 02:21:43 PMMan, that is really an odd quote. Not exactly enthusiastic.
Their fans are even less thrilled.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 13, 2026, 03:00:05 PMTheir fans are even less thrilled.
what makes you say that? ;D
https://x.com/ThetaBuuurn/status/2032542378737725903
https://x.com/HinkleFieldhome/status/2032540756594806998
As expected:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25403163-kim-english-providence-part-ways-after-3-seasons-amid-struggles
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2032869944170340391?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 14, 2026, 12:26:47 PMhttps://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2032869944170340391?s=20
Excellent move. It's nice to have a bubble team every year.
Thad Matta retiring.
https://butlersports.com/news/2026/3/16/butler-mens-basketball-coach-thad-matta-to-retire.aspx
I would guess their top choice would be Travis Steele?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2026, 10:17:49 AMThad Matta retiring.
https://butlersports.com/news/2026/3/16/butler-mens-basketball-coach-thad-matta-to-retire.aspx
I would guess their top choice would be Travis Steele?
Gotta make Brad Stevens turn them down first.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 13, 2026, 02:19:02 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2032532782203765076?s=20
I guess not.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2026, 10:28:05 AMGotta make Brad Stevens turn them down first.
On the topic of Brad Stevens, I've seen Butler fans getting very annoyed with the whole "Butler Way" stuff as they recognize the "way" was a once-in-a-generation coach who had two NBA draft picks on his roster. They are worried the search will be limited to Butler grads or coaches with strong Butler ties.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2026, 10:28:05 AMGotta make Brad Stevens turn them down first.
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Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2026, 10:28:05 AMGotta make Brad Stevens turn them down first.
After that you gotta call Billy Donovan.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 16, 2026, 11:20:50 AMOn the topic of Brad Stevens, I've seen Butler fans getting very annoyed with the whole "Butler Way" stuff as they recognize the "way" was a once-in-a-generation coach who had two NBA draft picks on his roster. They are worried the search will be limited to Butler grads or coaches with strong Butler ties.
The last time they didn't hire an alum or an assistant coach was 1977.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2026, 11:28:51 AMThe last time they didn't hire an alum or an assistant coach was 1977.
Anything else happen that year?
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2026, 11:18:19 AMI guess not.
Gosh. Just hate to see Goodman getting a scoop wrong.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 16, 2026, 11:48:34 AMGosh. Just hate to see Goodman getting a scoop wrong.
The AD said on a podcast that Matta was returning. It wasn't a "scoop" for Goodman or anybody else.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 16, 2026, 11:20:50 AMOn the topic of Brad Stevens, I've seen Butler fans getting very annoyed with the whole "Butler Way" stuff as they recognize the "way" was a once-in-a-generation coach who had two NBA draft picks on his roster. They are worried the search will be limited to Butler grads or coaches with strong Butler ties.
Stevens obviously brought the program to new heights, but they were a really good low/mid-major before he became head coach. In the 10 years before Stevens, they won 20+ games eight times, made six NCAA tournaments and advanced to the second weekend in two of them.
I imagine Butler fans would be thrilled with that kind of outcome these days.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2026, 12:13:36 PMStevens obviously brought the program to new heights, but they were a really good low/mid-major before he became head coach. In the 10 years before Stevens, they won 20+ games eight times, made six NCAA tournaments and advanced to the second weekend in two of them.
I imagine Butler fans would be thrilled with that kind of outcome these days.
They sure would, but they also are frustrated with the idea that only Butler grads or former Butler coaches should be considered. And, it was established during a time where they were the big dogs in their low/mid major conference. They aren't in the Horizon anymore.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 16, 2026, 01:09:41 PMThey aren't in the Horizon anymore.
Pretty close, though
#COLE
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 16, 2026, 01:09:41 PMThey sure would, but they also are frustrated with the idea that only Butler grads or former Butler coaches should be considered. And, it was established during a time where they were the big dogs in their low/mid major conference. They aren't in the Horizon anymore.
Oh, I agree that the silly insistence on hiring from within the family is outdated and needlessly limits the talent pool. Just pointing out that the success of Butler isn't limited to just a once-in-a-generation coach.
As for no longer in the Horizon, true, but being in the Big East also means they don't have to win the conference or win 25+ games to make the tournament. The opposition is tougher, but the margin for error is larger.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 11, 2026, 11:34:00 AMI'd probably be more perturbed playing against a McNamara team than any of the current BEast coaches. eff that guy
Nobody wants to hear about your fantasies, buddy.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2026, 12:13:36 PMStevens obviously brought the program to new heights, but they were a really good low/mid-major before he became head coach. In the 10 years before Stevens, they won 20+ games eight times, made six NCAA tournaments and advanced to the second weekend in two of them.
I imagine Butler fans would be thrilled with that kind of outcome these days.
Agreed, but it still speaks to how crazy of an ascension Stevens brought to Butler basketball that its reasonable that they could make a run at Steele if they desired.
That last Lickliter team was really good, but they were still a low mid major (albeit a very successful one) at best cause of how weak their conference was. Lot of winning both the MCC/Horizon, and the tournament, and getting a 10/11/12. Hell, the first two Stevens teams went 30-2 and 25-4 and got 8 seeds. The MAC has fallen off over the last 15 years but was pretty often a 2 bid (or borderline 2 bid) conference back then. Butler was probably the best program by a safe margin between the Horizon/MAC combined, but a coach leaving a good MAC school for Butler would have been nuts, pre-Stevens, as it was a clear step down in conference.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 16, 2026, 02:28:44 PMAgreed, but it still speaks to how crazy of an ascension Stevens brought to Butler basketball that its reasonable that they could make a run at Steele if they desired.
That last Lickliter team was really good, but they were still a low mid major (albeit a very successful one) at best cause of how weak their conference was. Lot of winning both the MCC/Horizon, and the tournament, and getting a 10/11/12. Hell, the first two Stevens teams went 30-2 and 25-4 and got 8 seeds. The MAC has fallen off over the last 15 years but was pretty often a 2 bid (or borderline 2 bid) conference back then. Butler was probably the best program by a safe margin between the Horizon/MAC combined, but a coach leaving a good MAC school for Butler would have been nuts, pre-Stevens, as it was a clear step down in conference.
Horizon.
Seems like Butler is going after former player Ronald Nored. He's currently an assist with the Hawks
Quote from: swoopem on March 16, 2026, 03:05:11 PMSeems like Butler is going after former player Ronald Nored. He's currently an assist with the Hawks
The last time Nored was recruiting a player to a college program, Henry Ellenson was our leading scorer.
Butler doesn't need a coach with NBA assistant coaching experience. It needs someone that can recruit high-level Big East players and attract talent through the portal (which hopefully leads to them winning more games than the past four seasons).
This will he Butler's 5th Head Coach in 14 seasons, since joining the Big East Conference.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 16, 2026, 04:11:28 PMThis will he Butler's 5th Head Coach in 14 seasons, since joining the Big East Conference.
Stevens - 1 year went to the NBA
Holtmann - 3 years, went to Ohio State
Jordan - 5 years - fired
Matta - 5 years, "retired"
Brandon Miller was a weird situation. He coached one year before he had a mental breakdown and hasn't coached again.
Tobin Anderson New Coach of the Golden Eagles.
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles that is.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2026, 02:33:40 PMHorizon.
No I know, I kind of jumbled 2 points. Just saying that back when Stevens took over, Butler was a very good program, albeit in a terrible conference (Horizon) that wouldn't have been able to poach a coach from a better mid major conference at the time (MAC) even with their success. But now, as a result of Stevens they've elevated conferences and their program in general that they could fairly easily.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 16, 2026, 09:22:14 PMTobin Anderson New Coach of the Golden Eagles.
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles that is.
While Anderson got completely screwed by Iona, hes's a fantastic coach who was obviously gonna get another gig. That being said...what an odd fit. Spent the last 35 years coaching and recruiting in the Northeast and now ends up in Cookeville, TN coaching in the SoCon.
https://x.com/coachbrucepearl/status/2033695994513395847?s=46
Bruce Pearl is out here getting fooled by fake news accounts. Lol
Edit:
Pearl deleted the tweet. He originally replied to a post claiming that Miami-OH coach, Travis Steele, had been hired as the next coach at Butler, Steele's alma mater.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2026, 02:33:40 PMHorizon.
Butler was already in the A10 by the time they joined the Big East.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 16, 2026, 07:40:33 PMBrandon Miller was a weird situation. He coached one year before he had a mental breakdown and hasn't coached again.
Looking back, even before his mental breakdown, that was a TERRIBLE hire and a bizarre choice outside of just Butler's preferred in-house continuity at the time. He was only 34 and less than 2 years before quit coaching when he was at OSU to focus on his family. Then he came back as a special assistant to Groce at Illinois, not even a full/proper assistant, for a season. Then had just came back Butler 3 months earlier to work under Stevens and got the big chair.
In retrospect, I think Butler probably panicked a bit cause Matthew Graves (now the coach at Indiana State) was likely the succession choice but he took that job at South Alabama a few months before and Miller was hired to replace him as an assistant. Thought that probably wouldn't have worked either as Graves stunk at USA and has had a rough start at ISU as well.
Also, this has to be it for Matta as a HC, right? Its kind of crazy that he's still youngish (58) cause he's been a top level coach for 25+ years. But he stepped down at OSU at 50 cause of health issues and clearly wasn't close to the same coach the last few years at Butler. He made plenty of money at OSU and was well paid at Butler this time around. Keep the cushy 6 figure gig in the athletic department at Butler, stay around the program/university you love, and focus on his health.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 17, 2026, 08:04:09 AMButler was already in the A10 by the time they joined the Big East.
For one season.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2026, 08:25:49 AMLooking back, even before his mental breakdown, that was a TERRIBLE hire and a bizarre choice outside of just Butler's preferred in-house continuity at the time. He was only 34 and less than 2 years before quit coaching when he was at OSU to focus on his family. Then he came back as a special assistant to Groce at Illinois, not even a full/proper assistant, for a season. Then had just came back Butler 3 months earlier to work under Stevens and got the big chair.
In retrospect, I think Butler probably panicked a bit cause Matthew Graves (now the coach at Indiana State) was likely the succession choice but he took that job at South Alabama a few months before and Miller was hired to replace him as an assistant. Thought that probably wouldn't have worked either as Graves stunk at USA and has had a rough start at ISU as well.
Also, this has to be it for Matta as a HC, right? Its kind of crazy that he's still youngish (58) cause he's been a top level coach for 25+ years. But he stepped down at OSU at 50 cause of health issues and clearly wasn't close to the same coach the last few years at Butler. He made plenty of money at OSU and was well paid at Butler this time around. Keep the cushy 6 figure gig in the athletic department at Butler, stay around the program/university you love, and focus on his health.
Well, I think something had been brewing behind the scenes as well. They made that lukewarm "he's returning" statement last week, only to have him retire this week. I think Billy might be right that some of the boosters are getting a little tired of the "Butler guy needs to run this program" point of view.
I would think there's a Purdue assistant that would be worth looking at if I were Butler. There's gotta be someone with ties to Indy and who clearly comes from a good program
Quote from: swoopem on March 17, 2026, 09:22:27 AMI would think there's a Purdue assistant that would be worth looking at if I were Butler. There's gotta be someone with ties to Indy and who clearly comes from a good program
I don't know if you're directly referring to it, but Painter's second lead assistant is Terry Johnson who was with Stevens and Holtmann at Butler for a decade and then with Holtmann at OSU until he joined Painter. Though, it feels like he kind of has career assistant vibes.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2026, 11:59:53 AMI don't know if you're directly referring to it, but Painter's second lead assistant is Terry Johnson who was with Stevens and Holtmann at Butler for a decade and then with Holtmann at OSU until he joined Painter. Though, it feels like he kind of has career assistant vibes.
Don't know why they would want Lusk, who's an awesome guy, but had a chance at Missouri State. Maybe PJ Thompson, who's their "offensive coordinator" and I think is from Indy.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2034047734630519174?s=20
Consider that Butler is going to have a rough time hiring someone they want because it is kind of a crap job.
I like the Belmont hire. Not a surprise that was likely going to be Evan Bradds or Mick Hedgepeth. Solid.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 18, 2026, 02:24:58 PMConsider that Butler is going to have a rough time hiring someone they want because it is kind of a crap job.
The issue isn't Butler getting someone they want, it's who they want - someone with Butler ties. Wardle's name has been mentioned for a few years. If they wanted Wardle, they could probably get him, but the whole "Butler Way" stuff (shoved down peoples thoats more than RVG) demands it be someone who went to or previously coached for a significant period of time at Butler.
I can't imagine Miami's Travis Steele isn't getting calls from Butler's AD. He had a tough go of it at Xavier, but the past few years in the MAC will have him more prepared.
Not sure how big the jump is from NBA assistant to college HC but I probably wouldn't want Marquette to go that route if they needed a new coach.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 19, 2026, 10:01:16 AMI can't imagine Miami's Travis Steele isn't getting calls from Butler's AD. He had a tough go of it at Xavier, but the past few years in the MAC will have him more prepared.
Not sure how big the jump is from NBA assistant to college HC but I probably wouldn't want Marquette to go that route if they needed a new coach.
I'm sure Steele is Butler's top choice.
The NBA assistant to college HC path has worked out for BYU and Florida State. Young hadn't coached in college for 15 years.
https://x.com/On3/status/2034976142004834544?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 07:57:19 AMhttps://x.com/On3/status/2034976142004834544?s=20
very good hire for Tech.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2026, 08:22:41 AMvery good hire for Tech.
Is it? I have no idea. He seems to have the typical mid-major resume, which fails as often as it succeeds.
No surprise, but there is speculation as to whether UNC will thank Hubert Davis for his service and wish him well in his future ventures. With UNC's history and program, I think there is a good chance that UNC will decide after that yesterday's meltdown, they need a new coach.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 08:29:27 AMIs it? I have no idea. He seems to have the typical mid-major resume, which fails as often as it succeeds.
Built each of the programs he has been to into competitors before bolting for a better job and repeating. He's fairly young at 51.
Georgia Tech has been pretty stinky as a program for a long time now. Seems like a good hire for them. He'll probably dip when a Texas school opens up if he does well at Georgia Tech.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2026, 08:37:40 AMBuilt each of the programs he has been to into competitors before bolting for a better job and repeating. He's fairly young at 51.
Georgia Tech has been pretty stinky as a program for a long time now. Seems like a good hire for them. He'll probably dip when a Texas school opens up if he does well at Georgia Tech.
??? He was at Arlington for 12 seasons, getting to the NCAA's in his second, winning the regular season championship in his 11th before leaving for an assistant gig at TCU.
Yeah he has done well at Troy. But as I said, it's a typical mid-major resume that fails as often as it succeeds.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 08:43:44 AM??? He was at Arlington for 12 seasons, getting to the NCAA's in his second, winning the regular season championship in his 11th before leaving for an assistant gig at TCU.
Yeah he has done well at Troy. But as I said, it's a typical mid-major resume that fails as often as it succeeds.
This is less about Cross and more about evaluation.
Are you saying not making the NCAA Tourney is a failure in the Southland conference? Or insert the other two conferences they switched to as well?
I will respectfully disagree. It's much more difficult to make the NCAA tourney in the other conferences. Turning around programs, winning a league, consistently finishing in the top few of a league etc matter more than counting NCAA Tourneys in those leagues. Full season's work vs a few day tourney.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 08:32:46 AMNo surprise, but there is speculation as to whether UNC will thank Hubert Davis for his service and wish him well in his future ventures. With UNC's history and program, I think there is a good chance that UNC will decide after that yesterday's meltdown, they need a new coach.
Absolutely. Kind of like Butler, they need to decide if family is of paramount importance. Excellent article right here:
https://x.com/DanWolken/status/2034826678451540349
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 08:43:44 AM??? He was at Arlington for 12 seasons, getting to the NCAA's in his second, winning the regular season championship in his 11th before leaving for an assistant gig at TCU.
Yeah he has done well at Troy. But as I said, it's a typical mid-major resume that fails as often as it succeeds.
Georgia Tech is not a great job. He took Troy to the tournament the last two years. Seems like a better gamble than a 15 year assistant coach from Duke. 8-)
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2026, 09:00:22 AMAbsolutely. Kind of like Butler, they need to decide if family is of paramount importance. Excellent article right here:
https://x.com/DanWolken/status/2034826678451540349
Boy, it's going to be entertaining to see UNC go the direction that Indiana has.
I think Billy Donovan would be an excellent hire for UNC. Plus there are millions of Chicagoans who would help him pack to save him a few bucks. Win - Win.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2026, 09:14:36 AMBoy, it's going to be entertaining to see UNC go the direction that Indiana has.
UNC should not have been in the tournament last year too.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 20, 2026, 08:52:32 AMThis is less about Cross and more about evaluation.
Are you saying not making the NCAA Tourney is a failure in the Southland conference? Or insert the other two conferences they switched to as well?
I will respectfully disagree. It's much more difficult to make the NCAA tourney in the other conferences. Turning around programs, winning a league, consistently finishing in the top few of a league etc matter more than counting NCAA Tourneys in those leagues. Full season's work vs a few day tourney.
Where did I ever say it was a "failure?" Maybe stop making strawman arguments?
I am simply pushing back on the notion that it is a "very good" hire. I have no idea if that's the case since his resume looks like a bunch of other mid-major coaches who have either succeeded or failed.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2026, 08:32:46 AMNo surprise, but there is speculation as to whether UNC will thank Hubert Davis for his service and wish him well in his future ventures. With UNC's history and program, I think there is a good chance that UNC will decide after that yesterday's meltdown, they need a new coach.
Seems like a no brainer to me.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 10:06:58 AMWhere did I ever say it was a "failure?" Maybe stop making strawman arguments?
I am simply pushing back on the notion that it is a "very good" hire. I have no idea if that's the case since his resume looks like a bunch of other mid-major coaches who have either succeeded or failed.
Fair enough.
You can say the same for other types of hires too. Tommy Lloyd has been successful at Arizona when many others haven't been while on that path. It's always about the specific individual situation and fit, less so than type of hire.
Russell Turner for example is obviously a very good HC at UC Irvine. 11 of 12 seasons in the top 2 in the Big West, but he doesn't often win the few game tourney. Or Olen when he was at UCSD going from D2 to D1.
We'll see.
Who are some candidates for UNC if it opens?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 04:18:26 PMWho are some candidates for UNC if it opens?
Phil Jackson if they want to follow what they did in football
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2026, 04:23:53 PMPhil Jackson if they want to follow what they did in football
Jordan could do it.
Villanova soon to be looking for some new assistants
https://x.com/i/status/2035094943505813854
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 20, 2026, 04:31:33 PMVillanova soon to be looking for some new assistants
I wonder who hired those assistants.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 04:18:26 PMWho are some candidates for UNC if it opens?
A little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 05:31:16 PMA little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.
Hopefully they have a second choice prepared!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 05:31:16 PMA little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2026, 05:31:16 PMA little birdie tells me Shaka is their first choice.
See? Elon was right! He said that a P4 school would take Shaka in a heartbeat, knowing that this was just one bad season.
Wojo to UNC
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2026, 10:06:58 AMWhere did I ever say it was a "failure?" Maybe stop making strawman arguments?
I am simply pushing back on the notion that it is a "very good" hire. I have no idea if that's the case since his resume looks like a bunch of other mid-major coaches who have either succeeded or failed.
It's a tricky evaluation. While a bit unfair, I always mentally have a bit of a bias against hires from a mid major who never had any real experience at major conference program as an assistant (he spent his entire career (player and assistant) at low major UTA before Troy save for his stint at TCU which was literally only 10 months long. And he did good work at Troy, but had only 1 decent OOC win in 2 years (SDSU), which was followed nearly immediately by losing at home to might West Georgia, and lost the two NCAA games by an average of 24 points.
But on the other hand, while results weren't flashy, he did a sneaky incredible job at UTA, which was a truly garbage job. Before they hired him, in 40 years as a D1 program, they never made the NCAA tournament and made a single NIT appearance 20 years prior. The previous head coach had been their 15 years and was 15 games under .500 in conference, even worse overall. In those 40 years, UTA won 20 games twice. Cross won 20+ games 6 times, made their first NCAA and multiple NITs. Their dumbass AD fired him after another 21 win season cause they "needed change" and they've been terrible again ever since. And the AD was encouraged to retire 4 years later.
So while it's still an unknown, he seems like he could maybe be the right kind of hire for a program like GT that has been a coaching graveyard since that random NCAA run to the final in 2004
Shaka to UNC ? lolllll ...
Right. They are going to bring in a guy with ( virtually ) NO NCAAT success, coming off a 20 loss season. Sure.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2026, 07:20:46 AMShaka to UNC ? lolllll ...
Right. They are going to bring in a guy with ( virtually ) NO NCAAT success, coming off a 20 loss season. Sure.
If making a Final Four is virtually no NCAA Tournament success you nailed it.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2026, 07:20:46 AMShaka to UNC ? lolllll ...
Right. They are going to bring in a guy with ( virtually ) NO NCAAT success, coming off a 20 loss season. Sure.
More of a resume than the last guy they hired.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2026, 08:56:12 AMMore of a resume than the last guy they hired.
Scott Drew to UNC.
Is it possible the Bulls part ways with Donovan and he'd be a candidate? I did see they extended him last year, but this hasn't been a great year for them.
Gotta make Brad Stevens say no.
Bring back Roy "Droopy the Dog" Williams.
Wades - Yes. SS made a Final Four ...
15 years ago. Since then, no tournament success whatsoever at two schools.
Quote from: Mu8891 on March 21, 2026, 09:53:34 AMWades - Yes. SS made a Final Four ...
15 years ago. Since then, no tournament success whatsoever at two schools.
Winning tournament games and making a S16 isn't tournament success?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 21, 2026, 09:51:16 AMWojo is available.
Scott Drew is a better choice because he's a Christian who does it the right way. Or so I've been told.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2026, 09:34:49 AMIs it possible the Bulls part ways with Donovan and he'd be a candidate? I did see they extended him last year, but this hasn't been a great year for them.
I think he could make sense there. The Bulls likely would not fire him and he and AK did sign extensions, but I don't think they have more than two years left and there are faint rumors the extensions were short to allow the Bulls to move on soon with little expense.
In short, the writing maybe on the wall and Donovan might wish to go before getting axed.
As much as he's proven he is not a good NBA coach, he has a great resume in college and would be an easy sell to the UNC fan base. (for the record, BD is not good but not the biggest issue with the Bulls)
https://x.com/chriskarpman/status/2035383265968914737?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on March 21, 2026, 11:29:17 AMhttps://x.com/chriskarpman/status/2035383265968914737?s=61
Bennett is a good coach, but I'm not sure hiring a 63-year-old with no high-major experience is what ASU needs right now.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2026, 11:58:42 AMBennett is a good coach, but I'm not sure hiring a 63-year-old with no high-major experience is what ASU needs right now.
Then again, Curt Cignetti...
Mostly joking.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2026, 12:23:01 PMThen again, Curt Cignetti...
Mostly joking.
I get it, but Cignetti spent time at Bama, Pitt and NC State.
Before St. Mary's, Bennett was at St. Louis, Pepperdine, San Diego and Idaho.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2026, 11:58:42 AMBennett is a good coach, but I'm not sure hiring a 63-year-old with no high-major experience is what ASU needs right now.
ASU has no tradition. I see this like Miami hiring Jim Larranega, and that worked out well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 20, 2026, 04:18:26 PMWho are some candidates for UNC if it opens?
I'd guess they'll go outside the family. Nate Oats would probably be near the top of the list. TJO would likely take it, sounds like he wants out of Iowa State because their NIL sucks. I'd imagine they'd consider Tommy Lloyd, Dusty May, and Todd Golden, though I'm not sure how attainable those are.
The funniest scenario would be Oats taking UNC and Bryan Hodgson backing out on PC to take Alabama.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2026, 01:39:27 PMI'd guess they'll go outside the family. Nate Oats would probably be near the top of the list. TJO would likely take it, sounds like he wants out of Iowa State because their NIL sucks. I'd imagine they'd consider Tommy Lloyd, Dusty May, and Todd Golden, though I'm not sure how attainable those are.
The funniest scenario would be Oats taking UNC and Bryan Hodgson backing out on PC to take Alabama.
Oates would kill it there.
Considering the immense success UNC has had in hiring Bill Belichick, I think hiring Larry Brown would be a grand slam.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2026, 01:43:48 PMOates would kill it there.
Bradon Miller isn't that far away...
Rumored top names for Butler (all with ties to "The Butler Way"):
Steele
Groce
Noreed
Michah Shrewsbury (also an Indy native)
Though he doesn't have HC experience, I think Noreed would be the best hire as he has a similar profile as Kevin Young and Luke Loukes coming from the NBA assistant world. But man, it shows just how much the cultishness of staying "within the family" limits the ability to get high quality candidates.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2026, 10:06:35 AMScott Drew is a better choice because he's a Christian who does it the right way. Or so I've been told.
Yes! He's back!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2026, 01:39:27 PMI'd guess they'll go outside the family. Nate Oats would probably be near the top of the list. TJO would likely take it, sounds like he wants out of Iowa State because their NIL sucks. I'd imagine they'd consider Tommy Lloyd, Dusty May, and Todd Golden, though I'm not sure how attainable those are.
The funniest scenario would be Oats taking UNC and Bryan Hodgson backing out on PC to take Alabama.
Golden would be shocking for UNC to even consider.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 21, 2026, 02:39:08 PMGolden would be shocking for UNC to even consider.
What's worse, having a coach who stalked and sent unwanted dick pics to female students at the school, or continuing to play a guy who brought a friend his gun prior to that gun being used to murder a woman?
Honestly Aden Holloway having weed is far less problematic than what Miller did.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 21, 2026, 02:31:43 PMRumored top names for Butler (all with ties to "The Butler Way"):
Steele
Groce
Noreed
Michah Shrewsbury (also an Indy native)
Though he doesn't have HC experience, I think Noreed would be the best hire as he has a similar profile as Kevin Young and Luke Loukes coming from the NBA assistant world. But man, it shows just how much the cultishness of staying "within the family" limits the ability to get high quality candidates.
Groce actually might be a pretty shout for Butler if not Noreed. He flamed out at Illinois but was very good at Ohio U and has been consistently good again at Akron for 5+ years after coming back to the MAC.
The Steele/Butler discussion is interesting. Obviously Butler is a better job, purely by nature of conference affiliation. But Butler's pretty clearly the worst job in the Big East in terms of facilities and budget/support. And Miami is unique in the MAC in terms of a big money donor base that had been dormant due to apathy in both football and basketball, but now has come alive (not unlike SMU compared to some of their former mid level conference peers). Hence the approval of their new basketball arena last month and big upgrades in NIL spend upcoming seasons (fueled by donations from Starbucks CEO, who is an alum, and others). Not to mention, according to a friend of mine in the athletic department in Oxford, the AD, key boosters, and an advisory firm have begun discussions/due diligence towards a conference upgrade.
That's obviously not to say Steele is gonna turn down a good power conference move if offered, but being at a school with a renewed commitment to basketball and increased budget, not to mention returning 75% of their scoring, and getting back their star PG who they lost to injury in November, makes it a bit different than the standard outlier senior driven mid major run that the coach needs to cash in on immediately.
And not for nothing, Steele graduated from Butler, but never coached there after and has spent the last 20 years in the greater Cincy area, where he met his wife who is from a well connected big money Cincinnati family. Id think UC would be a far more dangerous option to poach him but it seems like they are focusing on Calhoun from Utah St.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2026, 01:39:27 PMI'd guess they'll go outside the family. Nate Oats would probably be near the top of the list. TJO would likely take it, sounds like he wants out of Iowa State because their NIL sucks. I'd imagine they'd consider Tommy Lloyd, Dusty May, and Todd Golden, though I'm not sure how attainable those are.
The funniest scenario would be Oats taking UNC and Bryan Hodgson backing out on PC to take Alabama.
Woah. Otz wanting out of Iowa State is interesting. Had no idea Iowa State was in rough shape.
You think Oats would be higher on the list than Otz?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48270301/sources-unc-davis-discussing-future-tournament-loss
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2026, 02:45:13 PMWhat's worse, having a coach who stalked and sent unwanted dick pics to female students at the school, or continuing to play a guy who brought a friend his gun prior to that gun being used to murder a woman?
Honestly Aden Holloway having weed is far less problematic than what Miller did.
Agreed.
If you're UNC you have to at least make Bill Self say no. What's the worst that can happen? Another school gets punished for your tampering?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 21, 2026, 05:08:23 PMIf you're UNC you have to at least make Bill Self say no. What's the worst that can happen? Another school gets punished for your tampering?
Is there such a thing as a "dirty" program or coach anymore? Bruce Pearl to UNC.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 21, 2026, 05:13:20 PMIs there such a thing as a "dirty" program or coach anymore? Bruce Pearl to UNC.
Yes!
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 21, 2026, 05:08:23 PMIf you're UNC you have to at least make Bill Self say no. What's the worst that can happen? Another school gets punished for your tampering?
I still think there's a decent chance he retires in the next month or so.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2026, 05:28:29 PMI still think there's a decent chance he retires in the next month or so.
He can't have much time left. His health is becoming a real issue.
I want a Few retirement. Open that recruitment back up Dooney.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2026, 05:28:29 PMI still think there's a decent chance he retires in the next month or so.
Nobody wants to work anymore
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2026, 06:08:14 PMI want a Few retirement. Open that recruitment back up Dooney.
In all seriousness you could argue he waited too long and might have doomed Gonzaga by letting Tommy Lloyd leave
https://x.com/On3/status/2035696342303916412?s=20
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 21, 2026, 06:09:06 PMIn all seriousness you could argue he waited too long and might have doomed Gonzaga by letting Tommy Lloyd leave
He's only 63 and was only 58 when Lloyd left.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2026, 06:08:14 PMI want a Few retirement. Open that recruitment back up Dooney.
Yesterday was the first I've really seen of Dooney. Sometimes hard to determine how good a guy is against Wisconsin high school talent, but it looked pretty clear with Dooney.
Some tough step back jumpers for a 6'7" guy was more impressive to me than the at the rim stuff. Bright future for him for certain.
Hodgson to PC, McNamara to Syracuse.
Seems like Vaaks would likely stay as his game is a good fit with Hodgson's style
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2026, 08:26:26 AMYesterday was the first I've really seen of Dooney. Sometimes hard to determine how good a guy is against Wisconsin high school talent, but it looked pretty clear with Dooney.
Some tough step back jumpers for a 6'7" guy was more impressive to me than the at the rim stuff. Bright future for him for certain.
He was impressive. Kohnen struggled yesterday, but he didn't get much help.
Yeah, I watched Dooney yesterday, but it certainly is tough to determine anything when he is playing against Cambridge. Obviously his AAU season is way more telling about his potential.
Dooney is really, really good. Very skilled. Will need to bulk up to reach his potential but his ceiling is definitely a long NBA career.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 22, 2026, 11:53:17 AMHodgson to PC, McNamara to Syracuse.
Seems like Vaaks would likely stay as his game is a good fit with Hodgson's style
Ennis was a good player for USF this year. Wonder if he follows Hodgson to Providence.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 22, 2026, 11:53:17 AMHodgson to PC, McNamara to Syracuse.
Seems like Vaaks would likely stay as his game is a good fit with Hodgson's style
BREAKING: Syracuse is working to finalize a deal to hire Siena head coach Gerry McNamara, an Orange alum, as the school's next head coach.
McNamara won a national championship at Syracuse in 2003.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2026, 06:08:14 PMI want a Few retirement. Open that recruitment back up Dooney.
Never considered this. That'd be huge.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2026, 06:08:14 PMI want a Few retirement. Open that recruitment back up Dooney.
I doubt Few will retire now as Gonzaga is finally heading to a better conference. All of those rumors about the Big East and Big 12 were planted by him using his media guys like Rothstein. Why would he leave when he's finally getting what he's wanted for 10 years?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2026, 03:22:02 PMWoah. Otz wanting out of Iowa State is interesting. Had no idea Iowa State was in rough shape.
You think Oats would be higher on the list than Otz?
TJO and ISU have been discussed at length here. He is going to get mentioned everywhere with an opening, and deservedly so.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2026, 05:28:29 PMI still think there's a decent chance he retires in the next month or so.
Oh, I think it is a certainty, and there is a good chance TJO ends up there.
https://x.com/On3/status/2036082144259269037?s=20
Sources: Creighton's Greg McDermott retiring after season - ESPN (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48286872/sources-creighton-greg-mcdermott-retiring-season)
Gregg McDermott is retiring
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 09:10:03 AMhttps://x.com/On3/status/2036082144259269037?s=20
I mean, this isn't at all surprising. If it wasn't this year, it would be next year. The writing was on the wall as soon as Huss left a NCAA tourney team at High Point (that was clearly going to be even better this year) to come back and be coach in waiting.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 23, 2026, 06:54:01 AMOh, I think it is a certainty, and there is a good chance TJO ends up there.
I saw a tweet after the game yesterday that was like "Self is not so secretly relieved that this season is finally over".
I think Greg McDermott is retiring and Alan Huss is the coach in waiting like creighton announced when they re-hired Alan huss
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 23, 2026, 09:48:05 AMSource?
Here is ESPN - it's probably where On3 stole the info from
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48286872/sources-creighton-greg-mcdermott-retiring-season
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2026, 09:32:27 AMGregg McDermott is retiring
Did someone let Joe Lieberman know?
Charlotte hiring Wes Miller.
Pope is on the hot seat. UK, KU, and UNC looking to hire at the same time could make for some interesting musical chairs.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 23, 2026, 10:18:24 AMPope is on the hot seat. UK, KU, and UNC looking to hire at the same time could make for some interesting musical chairs.
At first, I thought you were thinking Villanova's early loss had far-reaching implications.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 23, 2026, 10:18:24 AMPope is on the hot seat. UK, KU, and UNC looking to hire at the same time could make for some interesting musical chairs.
Did not realized God is a UK fan.
Respect to Coach McDermott
https://x.com/jays_classic/status/2036140980206813512?s=61
Leaving the plantation.
Quote from: withoutbias on March 23, 2026, 02:48:31 PMLeaving the plantation.
One unfortunate poor choice of words in a long career..............by all accounts a good man and an excellent coach.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 23, 2026, 10:18:24 AMPope is on the hot seat. UK, KU, and UNC looking to hire at the same time could make for some interesting musical chairs.
According to who, UK bloggers? Has he set the world on fire? No. But he's made 2 tournaments and not been a 1 and done in either. I get UK thinks they should make the second weekend every year but haven't they learned their lesson from the last search that was Nate Oats, Scott Drew, Dan Hurley talk that ended up with Mark Pope? (Of course they haven't learned their lesson, or they wouldn't be suggesting moving on already, it was rhetorical).
I would think UK would be the clear 3rd best job in the queue if KU and UNC both opened up as well. The ACC and B12 are going to be much easier conferences to navigate moving forward when the SEC has Golden, Oats, Byington, Barnes, and Cal with his Tyson/Wal Mart war chest. That's not even factoring in Chris Beard bouncing back after a bad year, Sean Miller turning around Kentucky, or what a very good young coach in McMillan can do at TAMU.
In least surprising news of the cycle, Jerrod Calhoun is leaving Utah State for Cincinnati
Bennett to Arizona State.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2036178386242953404?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 03:37:08 PMBennett to Arizona State.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2036178386242953404?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
WCC will be pretty interesting next year. If Bennett had been back, that team would have been a big favorite given the youth (assuming they kept everyone).
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2026, 03:41:13 PMWCC will be pretty interesting next year. If Bennett had been back, that team would have been a big favorite given the youth (assuming they kept everyone).
Word is they were looking at a major exodus even if he stayed. That he stayed so long is a testament to his loyalty. The school has been bleeding enrollment for a while, is in a bad situation financially, and doesn't support athletics well. Their last AD, Mark Orr, left after SMC received a donation to build a new basketball facility, and the President refused to let it be built, and the money was used elsewhere on campus.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2026, 03:34:19 PMIn least surprising news of the cycle, Jerrod Calhoun is leaving Utah State for Cincinnati
A little surprised he didn't wait for a better gig, but strike while the iron is hot, I guess.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 03:49:21 PMWord is they were looking at a major exodus even if he stayed. That he stayed so long is a testament to his loyalty. The school has been bleeding enrollment for a while, is in a bad situation financially, and doesn't support athletics well. Their last AD, Mark Orr, left after SMC received a donation to build a new basketball facility, and the President refused to let it be built, and the money was used elsewhere on campus.
Not surprised. Opportunity for another school to fill the gap
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2026, 03:52:10 PMA little surprised he didn't wait for a better gig, but strike while the iron is hot, I guess.
Never mind. Thought he played there. Is an alum, fwiw and from Ohio.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2026, 03:52:48 PMNot surprised. Opportunity for another school to fill the gap
Santa Clara will own the WCC now and UCSD will be very competitive when they start WCC play. Back to being a one-bid league.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 03:49:21 PMWord is they were looking at a major exodus even if he stayed. That he stayed so long is a testament to his loyalty. The school has been bleeding enrollment for a while, is in a bad situation financially, and doesn't support athletics well. Their last AD, Mark Orr, left after SMC received a donation to build a new basketball facility, and the President refused to let it be built, and the money was used elsewhere on campus.
Yikes. I didn't realize how bad their enrollment has gotten. From 4,000+ ten years ago to around 2,700 today. Kind of amazing considering its location.
Santa Clara University, located in the same metro area, has seen an increase by about the same number of students.
Probably because one has an endowment of $250M and the other $1.6B.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 23, 2026, 04:06:07 PMYikes. I didn't realize how bad their enrollment has gotten. From 4,000+ ten years ago to around 2,700 today. Kind of amazing considering its location.
Santa Clara University, located in the same metro area, has seen an increase by about the same number of students.
Probably because one has an endowment of $250M and the other $1.6B.
They may be in the same metro area, but they are very different. Moraga is a town (17,000 people), is quite isolated, whereas Santa Clara is very close to San Jose and Silicon Valley (which the last AD was smart to finally tap into). SMC has always been a small school, and due to the area they are in, it can't expand the size of its campu, which has kept academic offerings limited.
Speaking of the WCC, another hire, this time for Pepperdine. You want to talk about a stunning campus! They are opening a new arena too.
https://x.com/BigBlueBud/status/2036163782422954149
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2036179802219061332?s=46
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 03:49:21 PMTheir last AD, Mark Orr, left after SMC received a donation to build a new basketball facility, and the President refused to let it be built, and the money was used elsewhere on campus.
source?
This sounds like #FakeNews #Lies
Interesting....
One of the finalists for the Butler job is Chris Holtmann. Steele apparently is out.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2026/03/23/butler-basketball-coach-rumors-search-news-john-groce-micah-shrewsberry-ronald-nored-travis-steele/89293360007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z115147p115250c115250e1189xxv115147d--50--b--50--&gca-ft=169&gca-ds=sophi
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 08:19:10 PMInteresting....
One of the finalists for the Butler job is Chris Holtmann. Steele apparently is out. Groce, Nored, and Shrewsberry are the other three finalists.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2026/03/23/butler-basketball-coach-rumors-search-news-john-groce-micah-shrewsberry-ronald-nored-travis-steele/89293360007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z115147p115250c115250e1189xxv115147d--50--b--50--&gca-ft=169&gca-ds=sophi
Imagine Holtmann doing that to DePaul after how hyped everyone was for their year they just had.
That is not an inspiring list.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 03:49:21 PMWord is they were looking at a major exodus even if he stayed. That he stayed so long is a testament to his loyalty. The school has been bleeding enrollment for a while, is in a bad situation financially, and doesn't support athletics well. Their last AD, Mark Orr, left after SMC received a donation to build a new basketball facility, and the President refused to let it be built, and the money was used elsewhere on campus.
Obviously football, especially FCS (or at the time 1-AA) football, is a totally different beast, but shades of the non-support of athletics of the end of St Mary's football program 20 years ago. They almost lost D1 status for basketball in the 90s cause they had a D2 football program, but reluctantly elevated to 1-AA to avoid it. But even still, they didn't support it. A decade before they dropped football all together, they were offering something like 15 scholarships for football when I think the standard was in the low 60s. Be like Hartford or Saint Francis basketball offering 4 scholarships instead of 15 for the last few years before dropping to D3. Shout out St Mary's football casualty, Ryan Coogler of Sinners fame, who just finished his freshman year when they axed the program.
Would not be shocked if Bennett was further pushed out the door by them struggling and not supporting basketball like their peers...yet adding water polo and swimming programs. Not that its the same sort of budget, but still thats further AD resources not going to their most notable sport.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 04:03:24 PMSanta Clara will own the WCC now and UCSD will be very competitive when they start WCC play. Back to being a one-bid league.
Based on what though? That ENTIRE basketball program was Eric Olen. They weren't even a good D2 program before he got there. My buddy's boss in LA played there in the early 2000s. In the 13 years of being D2 before Olen took over, they made the tournament only once, after a fluke run in their conference tournament in a year they were 11-9 in conference and not one of the top teams. Other than that, they finished higher than 7th in their 12 team conference twice (a T-4th and a T-5th, 5 years apart I believe). They had more years finishing in the bottom 3 than they did making the 8 team conference tournament.
Their new coach played for Olen when he was an assistant and has been with him through the transition, which is good. But Olen took the rest of the staff to New Mexico with him. They took a step back this year with a lot of turnover, but even still underperformed pre-season projections. The WCC will be weakened losing Gonzaga, Oregon St, and Wash St, but even still its a step up from the Big West which is just UC Irvine, Hawaii, and a bunch of trash (pending Long Beach St post-Monson).
Quote from: JWags85 on March 23, 2026, 09:09:19 PMBased on what though?
For UCSD? Money. They will immediately have one of the biggest budgets in the WCC, if not the biggest. Before they made the jump to D1 they made the D2 tournament five straight years. They brought in a new AD with significant fundraising experience and are fully up and running like a true D1 department (it is actually willing to bend academic standards to recruit athletes now).
In the times you mentioned, athletics was poorly funded or supported by the school. Multiple attempts to move to D1 were rejected by students and faculty. Now it's a top 5 public school in the country, has expanded by adding a new residential college. It's also a school that continues to grow, while many schools in the WCC have financial issues and are bleeding enrollment. Oh yeah, there's that little factor called San Diego, the greatest city in the history of mankind."
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 23, 2026, 09:08:55 PMThat is not an inspiring list.
That's what happens when the search is being directed by the cultish "The Butler Way" mentality.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2026, 08:35:44 AMThat's what happens when the search is being directed by the cultish "The Butler Way" mentality.
It's just a stopgap until Brad Stevens Jr. can coach
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 24, 2026, 08:36:53 AMIt's just a stopgap until Brad Stevens Jr. can coach
Surely they've already reached out to him.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2026, 08:35:44 AMThat's what happens when the search is being directed by the cultish "The Butler Way" mentality.
I'm not sure they could do much better anyway.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 24, 2026, 08:46:44 AMI'm not sure they could do much better anyway.
If they wind up with Holtmann, that's a win for them. Wardle would have been a better choice than the other three, IMO, but no, "The Butler Way."
Wojo to DePaul?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2026, 08:28:21 PMImagin Holtmann doing that to DePaul after how hyped everyone was for their year they just had.
I'd actually feel sorry for DePaul, and that's not easy to admit.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2026, 09:10:34 AMIf they wind up with Holtmann, that's a win for them. Wardle would have been a better choice than the other three, IMO, but no, "The Butler Way."
Is Wardle better than Groce???
Quote from: The Sultan on March 24, 2026, 11:05:35 AMIs Wardle better than Groce???
Maybe?
What would scare me about Groce is that he got his chance at a power-conference program - a good one, where it's hard to fail - and was a disaster.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2026, 11:22:24 AMMaybe?
What would scare me about Groce is that he got his chance at a power-conference program - a good one, where it's hard to fail - and was a disaster.
Is it hard to fail at Illinois? I would guess it's a middle of the pack Big Ten job. He had them on the bubble most years it looks like, so he wasn't a total failure. I think Underwood just might be that good of a coach.
Holtmann just put this out...
https://x.com/chrisholtmann/status/2036474130250322159?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 11:30:54 AMHoltmann just put this out...
https://x.com/chrisholtmann/status/2036474130250322159?s=61
That means Butler has their coach and it ain't him.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2026, 11:45:46 AMThat means Butler has their coach and it ain't him.
Or, he just got a raise
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 24, 2026, 12:16:21 PMOr, he just got a raise
Floating his name to flush out a raise? I think that's called The Buzz Williams Special.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 24, 2026, 12:19:04 PMFloating his name to flush out a raise? I think that'll called The Buzz Williams Special.
Nice. You got floating and flush into your post. ;D
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 24, 2026, 12:19:04 PMFloating his name to flush out a raise? I think that'll called The Buzz Williams Special.
We will be on high alert if there is a Holtmann Heroes segment on CBS this weekend.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 24, 2026, 11:25:16 AMIs it hard to fail at Illinois? I would guess it's a middle of the pack Big Ten job. He had them on the bubble most years it looks like, so he wasn't a total failure. I think Underwood just might be that good of a coach.
It's one of the best jobs in the Big Ten. The scuffling of the back half of Weber's tenure leading into Groce rubbed off a lot of its sheen that Underwood has restored.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 24, 2026, 12:30:25 PMNice. You got floating and flush into your post. ;D
It's gotta be post of the year so far.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 24, 2026, 12:48:23 PMIt's one of the best jobs in the Big Ten. The scuffling of the back half of Weber's tenure leading into Groce rubbed off a lot of its sheen that Underwood has restored.
Yes, easily one of the best jobs in the B1G
Michigan, MSU, UCLA, Indiana are the top tier with Illinois right behind.
Aside from Groce, every Illinois coach over the last 50 years has had a good stretch of success. Henson and Weber went to Finar Fours; Henson, Self and Underwood went to Elite Eights; Kruger righted the program after it had withered in Henson's later years. All of those coaches were able to attract significant talent.
Kruger and Self saw it as a stepping-stone job. Henson and Weber would have stayed forever but they were fired after their programs eventually stalled. Time will tell about Underwood's staying power; seems like a real good coach.
I think it's a pretty darn good job - a coach can build a long-term winner there.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 01:14:26 PMAside from Groce, every Illinois coach over the last 50 years has had a good stretch of success. Henson and Weber went to Finar Fours; Henson, Self and Underwood went to Elite Eights; Kruger righted the program after it had withered in Henson's later years. All of those coaches were able to attract significant talent.
Kruger and Self saw it as a stepping-stone job. Henson and Weber would have stayed forever but they were fired after their programs eventually stalled. Time will tell about Underwood's staying power; seems like a real good coach.
I think it's a pretty darn good job - a coach can build a long-term winner there.
Yes, but if Kansas comes calling for Brad he might take that job. He'd be perfect there.
That could open Illinois for TJO.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 24, 2026, 11:25:16 AMIs it hard to fail at Illinois? I would guess it's a middle of the pack Big Ten job. He had them on the bubble most years it looks like, so he wasn't a total failure. I think Underwood just might be that good of a coach.
Fourth best job in the Big 10, according to the coaches.
https://www.on3.com/sites/field-of-68/news/big-ten-basketball-job-rankings/
In the 42 seasons between 1980 and 2012, under four different coaches, the Illini missed the tournament just eight times.
They missed four consecutive years under Groce and then two more while Underwood rebuilt the program.
Lou Henson won there. Lon Kruger won there. Bill Self won there. Bruce Weber won there. Brad Underwood has won there. John Groce did not win there.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2026, 01:11:49 PMYes, easily one of the best jobs in the B1G
Michigan, MSU, UCLA, Indiana are the top tier with Illinois right behind.
Indiana is a football school now.
Purdue, on the other hand...
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2026, 01:21:18 PMYes, but if Kansas comes calling for Brad he might take that job. He'd be perfect there.
That could open Illinois for TJO.
I know nothing about Underwood and his level of happiness at Illinois. I guess he'd leave for Kansas, unless he's extremely happy at Illinois and would rather not face the pressure of following Self.
TJO almost surely would thrive at Illinois.
Appreciate the feedback. Evidently I'm underrating the Illinois job.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 24, 2026, 01:21:18 PMYes, but if Kansas comes calling for Brad he might take that job. He'd be perfect there.
That could open Illinois for TJO.
Underwood is from Kansas though his alma mater is K-State.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 01:46:41 PMI know nothing about Underwood and his level of happiness at Illinois. I guess he'd leave for Kansas, unless he's extremely happy at Illinois and would rather not face the pressure of following Self.
TJO almost surely would thrive at Illinois.
Obviously would not be surprised if Underwood wanted to leave for a job like KU, but it seems like Illinois sits in a pretty good spot in the new NIL world and that gap between the two jobs isn't as big as it was 5yrs ago. Similarly, TJO is doing great at ISU,but not sure if UofI is enough for him to leave. I'm not familiar where ISU stands with NIL dollars though.
Quote from: LAZER on March 24, 2026, 02:50:40 PMObviously would not be surprised if Underwood wanted to leave for a job like KU, but it seems like Illinois sits in a pretty good spot in the new NIL world and that gap between the two jobs isn't as big as it was 5yrs ago. Similarly, TJO is doing great at ISU,but not sure if UofI is enough for him to leave. I'm not familiar where ISU stands with NIL dollars though.
ISU NIL is not great
If I were Kansas, I would go for TJO rather than Underwood. Underwood is only a year younger than Self. TJO can really coach and I think would knock it out of the park in Lawrence.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 24, 2026, 03:01:58 PMIf I were Kansas, I would go for TJO rather than Underwood. Underwood is only a year younger than Self. TJO can really coach and I think would knock it out of the park in Lawrence.
Does TJO have the required "slimy" factor required at KU; because if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying at KU.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 24, 2026, 05:20:19 PMDoes TJO have the required "slimy" factor required at KU; because if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying at KU.
I'm still not clear on how one cheats under the current rules.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 24, 2026, 05:22:41 PMI'm still not clear on how one cheats under the current rules.
You're probably correct judging on KU recent record, but where there is a will there is a way.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 24, 2026, 05:20:19 PMDoes TJO have the required "slimy" factor required at KU; because if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying at KU.
He's "cheated" at Iowa State, so probaly
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 24, 2026, 05:22:41 PMI'm still not clear on how one cheats under the current rules.
tampering is pretty much all that is left and the Big Ten is pushing for that to be allowed (provided it's one of their schools doing the tampering).
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2026, 01:34:56 PMFourth best job in the Big 10, according to the coaches.
https://www.on3.com/sites/field-of-68/news/big-ten-basketball-job-rankings/
In the 42 seasons between 1980 and 2012, under four different coaches, the Illini missed the tournament just eight times.
They missed four consecutive years under Groce and then two more while Underwood rebuilt the program.
Lou Henson won there. Lon Kruger won there. Bill Self won there. Bruce Weber won there. Brad Underwood has won there. John Groce did not win there.
Might want to check your math again there, Chief.
#FakeNews #Lies #Pickleball #SmallPickle #Sad
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 24, 2026, 05:57:31 PMMight want to check your math again there, Chief.
#FakeNews #Lies #Pickleball #SmallPickle #Sad
OK. 32.
Hubert Davis out at UNC.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2026, 07:57:05 PMHubert Davis out at UNC.
that will be an interesting hire. Could set off a big chain reaction.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 24, 2026, 08:01:38 PMthat will be an interesting hire. Could set off a big chain reaction.
Maybe? 3 names popping up are TJO, Byington & Oats. None of those coach at basketball hotbeds. Replacing one of those 3 doesn't feel like a lot of other power conference schools have to sweat.
I'd hire Byington out of those 3.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2026, 07:57:05 PMHubert Davis out at UNC.
The dominoes will be interesting. I'd be surprised if they go with Billy Donovan. My guess is Golden or T.J Otz.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2026, 08:06:17 PMMaybe? 3 names popping up are TJO, Byington & Oats. None of those coach at basketball hotbeds. Replacing one of those 3 doesn't feel like a lot of other power conference schools have to sweat.
I'd hire Byington out of those 3.
Todd Golden is the favorite at Draft Kings.
Kalshi has TJO #1, Billy Donovan #2.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 24, 2026, 08:08:40 PMThe dominoes will be interesting. I'd be surprised if they go with Billy Donovan. My guess is Golden or T.J Otz.
I think Donovan would listen. I think he'd be fantastic back in college.
Golden seems to be too tainted for UNC. Kansas would be a better fit.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2026, 08:08:50 PMTodd Golden is the favorite at Draft Kings.
Kalshi has TJO #1, Billy Donovan #2.
Norlander's piece on CBS mentioned this is one job that could entice Donovan back to college. I have my doubts.
Norlander also mentioned Dusty May and Tommy Lloyd. Like Golden, I'm not sure UNC is that much better as a job other than history.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2026, 08:08:50 PMTodd Golden is the favorite at Draft Kings.
Kalshi has TJO #1, Billy Donovan #2.
I could be wrong but it's just hard for me to envision Donovan going back to college coaching after so many years away.......especially at his age.
It should be interesting...........established successful high major coaches weren't exactly beating down the door in recent years at Kentucky, Louisville etc......,
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2026, 08:15:08 PMNorlander also mentioned Dusty May and Tommy Lloyd. Like Golden, I'm not sure UNC is that much better as a job other than history.
If I were May or Lloyd, I'd have my agent suggest to Michigan/Arizona that UNC is coming after me and use it to get a nice raise. But there's really no reason to leave Michigan or Arizona for UNC.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 08:24:22 PMIf I were May or Lloyd, I'd have my agent suggest to Michigan/Arizona that UNC is coming after me and use it to get a nice raise. But there's really no reason to leave Michigan or Arizona for UNC.
You never know what is happening behind the scenes at any of these places to make a coaches eyes wander but I agree.
Hubert not trying to sugar coat it........
https://x.com/unc_zone/status/2036612640017961014?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 08:16:44 PMI could be wrong but it's just hard for me to envision Donovan going back to college coaching after so many years away.......especially at his age.
It should be interesting...........established successful high major coaches weren't exactly beating down the door in recent years at Kentucky, Louisville etc......,
As for Donovan, there are more rumblings (today's SunTimes) that he is not thrilled with Bull's VP Karnisovas and/or vise-versa. I'm not convinced that he is employable in another HC role in the NBA, so UNC could be a great landing spot with a similar salary. And, I suspect that UNC has or will get a GM to make the job more attractive.
Hard to see Donovan going back to the college scene and all nonsense with revenue sharing, nil and portal to go along with the normal issues. At 63, I suspect he has socked away far more money than anyone needs to live rather well.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 24, 2026, 09:14:07 PMAt 63, I suspect he has socked away far more money than anyone needs to live rather well.
Who's 63??
I can't believe how old everyone is getting. smh
It's funny to see Iowa State fans trying to rationalize why TJO might stay. "He has so many ties to the program! His wife's jersey is literally hanging in the rafters!" Like any of that would stop him from leaving for a job that would put him at the very top of his profession and pay him more money.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 24, 2026, 09:14:07 PMHard to see Donovan going back to the college scene and all nonsense with revenue sharing, nil and portal to go along with the normal issues. At 63, I suspect he has socked away far more money than anyone needs to live rather well.
Maybe so, but if he's not motivated by money, why is he still with the Bulls? He generally looks worn out and never gets excited about his teams in Chicago. He gives off the "I'm just here for a paycheck" vibe. Maybe the Bulls sucked the love of basketball out of him, which would make for a bad hire at UNC.
Either way, it appears that it is a very long shot he's the Bulls coach for more than one more year. Maybe retirement is the goal that he gets with one year's salary as a pension.
Personally, he seems like a nice guy and I'd like to see him take another shot at being a winner and UNC could be the ticket.
No wonder Hubert failed: He lives by ORE!
Opportunity, relationships, experiences.
Quote from: MuMark on March 24, 2026, 08:47:10 PMHubert not trying to sugar coat it........
https://x.com/unc_zone/status/2036612640017961014?s=61
Gotta wonder what level he gets hired. Because his coaching wasn't stellar.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 24, 2026, 09:33:24 PMIt's funny to see Iowa State fans trying to rationalize why TJO might stay. "He has so many ties to the program! His wife's jersey is literally hanging in the rafters!" Like any of that would stop him from leaving for a job that would put him at the very top of his profession and pay him more money.
Iowa State will come up with the cash to keep him. He is rolling there and they would be foolish not to keep him.
Not to say some other programs will also offer him huge zoides. He definitely is ensconced in the driver's seat.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2026, 05:23:54 AMIowa State will come up with the cash to keep him. He is rolling there and they would be foolish not to keep him.
Not to say some other programs will also offer him huge zoides. He definitely is ensconced in the driver's seat.
Iowa State is relatively poor though. Plus the more you are paying the coach the less you have for NIL.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2026, 05:23:54 AMIowa State will come up with the cash to keep him. He is rolling there and they would be foolish not to keep him.
There was talk months ago that he'd be leaving this offseason because Iowa State doesn't have the NIL to keep up. Entirely possible they can't come up with the cash to keep him.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2026, 05:23:54 AMIowa State will come up with the cash to keep him. He is rolling there and they would be foolish not to keep him.
Not to say some other programs will also offer him huge zoides. He definitely is ensconced in the driver's seat.
Let's put some cash on it if you're so sure, little willie.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 05:35:47 AMIowa State is relatively poor though. Plus the more you are paying the coach the less you have for NIL.
Willie is good at spending other people's money. Does he donate to his preferred program? Absolutely not, but he is always sure the money is there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 06:37:27 AMWillie is good at spending other people's money. Does he donate to his preferred program? Absolutely not, but he is always sure the money is there.
Give willie a break. His old lady keeps him down and gives him a $25 a month allowance. He can't send that all to Marquette.
If UNC gets Billy D and then Scheyer goes to the Bulls that's a double win for them
No clue if Scheyer would go to the Bulls but I bet he'd be considered
I know it's not among the popular choices, and they got thumped in the tournament, but I really like Grant McCasland. That team was primed for a deep run before Toppin went down. He develops players and is a really good coach. Maybe he doesn't leave the state of Texas but I don't think T.J., May, Lloyd, or Golden are necessarily better fits. Stevens is an interesting thought as well. If you're Carolina you also give Jay Wright a call. He likely passes but you just never know.
If UNC offers T.J. the job there's a 0% chance Iowa St. keeps him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2026, 07:54:27 AMI know it's not among the popular choices, and they got thumped in the tournament, but I really like Grant McCasland. That team was primed for a deep run before Toppin went down. He develops players and is a really good coach. Maybe he doesn't leave the state of Texas but I don't think T.J., May, Lloyd, or Golden are necessarily better fits. Stevens is an interesting thought as well. If you're Carolina you also give Jay Wright a call. He likely passes but you just never know.
Brad Stevens isn't happening. Jay Wright isn't happening.
If Sean Miller becomes interested in UNC and Texas opens, Grant would slot in perfectly at Texas.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2026, 07:54:27 AMI know it's not among the popular choices, and they got thumped in the tournament, but I really like Grant McCasland. That team was primed for a deep run before Toppin went down. He develops players and is a really good coach. Maybe he doesn't leave the state of Texas but I don't think T.J., May, Lloyd, or Golden are necessarily better fits. Stevens is an interesting thought as well. If you're Carolina you also give Jay Wright a call. He likely passes but you just never know.
McCasland is a really good coach. But Tech has a lot of money flowing in right now. Not saying it's a better job but it's not the job it was 15 years ago
For fun, I think Lloyd says no and UNC ends up with TJ. Wade to LSU. Gainey to NC State. Would have to think about Iowa State. Last cycle for them they considered Craig Smith.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 25, 2026, 08:14:38 AMFor fun, I think Lloyd says no and UNC ends up with TJ. Wade to LSU. Gainey to NC State. Would have to think about Iowa State. Last cycle for them they considered Craig Smith.
They'd get Josh Schertz.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 08:17:23 AMThey'd get Josh Schertz.
I think you have me confused with Billy Hoyle. He's the SLU alum here.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 25, 2026, 08:20:12 AMI think you have me confided with Billy Hoyle. He's the SLU alum here.
I don't. Schertz would be a prime candidate for Iowa State. He isn't staying in St. Louis long term. He saw their ceiling this year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 05:35:47 AMIowa State is relatively poor though. Plus the more you are paying the coach the less you have for NIL.
#FakeNews #Lies
It's not a zero sum game. Many intricate decisions to be made.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2026, 05:23:54 AMIowa State will come up with the cash to keep him. He is rolling there and they would be foolish not to keep him.
Not to say some other programs will also offer him huge zoides. He definitely is ensconced in the driver's seat.
What cash?
https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2025/07/25/iowa-state-university-athletics-forecasts-budget-gaps-in-coming-years/
Iowa State University's athletics budget is feeling the fallout of changes to contracts and other shifts in collegiate sports infrastructure, according to budgets submitted to the Iowa Board of Regents, leading the university to halt capital projects and implement cost reduction strategies.
ISU's proposed athletic budget for the 2026 fiscal year totals $141 million, exceeding the previous athletic budget by $27 million. According to board documents, "several transformational changes" in collegiate athletics over the past two years have resulted in projected $30 million "recurring annual financial repercussions" to the university's athletics department, starting this year.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 08:22:50 AMI don't. Schertz would be a prime candidate for Iowa State. He isn't staying in St. Louis long term. He saw their ceiling this year.
Iowa State would have to wait in line. Pack Insider thinks they are getting Schertz too. So did Arizona State, Providence, Syracuse, Kansas State. Some others. Gonna have to go bigger than that, and it would need to not be a pressure cooker place for him.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 08:22:50 AMI don't. Schertz would be a prime candidate for Iowa State. He isn't staying in St. Louis long term. He saw their ceiling this year.
Not sure of that. SLU has a lot of money.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2026, 04:21:04 PMSpeaking of the WCC, another hire, this time for Pepperdine. You want to talk about a stunning campus! They are opening a new arena too.
Stunning campus, but also weird AF vibe
If I was hiring a coach, I'd check out Chris Beard's personal situation and motivation. He's a great coach, IMO.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 08:34:22 AMNot sure of that. SLU has a lot of money.
He's not staying in St. Louis. Don't care how much money they have.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 25, 2026, 08:33:10 AMIowa State would have to wait in line. Pack Insider thinks they are getting Schertz too. So did Arizona State, Providence, Syracuse, Kansas State. Some others. Gonna have to go bigger than that, and it would need to not be a pressure cooker place for him.
ASU, Providence, Syracuse and Kansas State all got better coaches
Nored to Butler. He was the name from the beginning.
https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/2036796511128793349?s=46
Butler 2 Basement
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2026, 05:40:17 AMThere was talk months ago that he'd be leaving this offseason because Iowa State doesn't have the NIL to keep up. Entirely possible they can't come up with the cash to keep him.
Milan Momcilovic come on down! (this is a desperate prayer, but he would be ao good here)
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 25, 2026, 08:36:32 AMStunning campus, but also weird AF vibe
They've loosened up the religious rules over the past few years. Attending chapel 3x a week is no longer required, but rather students have to attend weekly as part of a class for credit. Still, no drinking and no co-ed dorms.
Personally, I thought Loyola Marymount was the better campus. It also looks like a country club and is far less isolated than Pepp, being very close to Venice Beach.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 25, 2026, 08:41:49 AMNored to Butler. He was the name from the beginning.
https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/2036796511128793349?s=46
Hiring someone from the NBA assistant ranks worked out well for BYU and seems to be working at Florida State. I'm skeptical, but we'll see.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 08:54:48 AMThey've loosened up the religious rules over the past few years. Attending chapel 3x a week is no longer required, but rather students have to attend weekly as part of a class for credit. Still, no drinking and no co-ed dorms.
Personally, I thought Loyola Marymount was the better campus. It also looks like a country club and is far less isolated than Pepp, being very close to Venice Beach.
Duke's re-opened in Malibu two weeks ago. I've been to Pepperdine several times for sporting events over the years. It's definitely isolated. But the views are great.
Dockweiler is the closest to LMU. South Bay is also popular as it is less crowded and cleaner than VB or SM. LMU is a somewhat popular school for West Coast kids of MU (and similar) alums. Good location. SDSU down the coast, is a popular choice too for some.
We can end the Brad Stevens to UNC silliness.
https://x.com/i/status/2036780255696834879
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 08:55:51 AMHiring someone from the NBA assistant ranks worked out well for BYU and seems to be working at Florida State. I'm skeptical, but we'll see.
I like Loucks, but BYU's recent success probably has more to do with an influx of NIL $$ than Ben Young's coaching.
Alex Jensen didn't exactly kill it at Utah this year.
No idea how Nored turns out.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 25, 2026, 09:21:14 AMWe can end the Brad Stevens to UNC silliness.
https://x.com/i/status/2036780255696834879
Total control over one of American sports' iconic franchises, or spending your summers watching teens play AAU ball and sucking up to donors?
Tough call!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 09:22:07 AMI like Loucks, but BYU's recent success probably has more to do with an influx of NIL $$ than Ben Young's coaching.
Alex Jensen didn't exactly kill it at Utah this year.
No idea how Nored turns out.
Butler is making a significant financial commitment for Nored. Jackson (their prize Portal signing last year but missed the season with an injury) has announced he is coming back. If they can keep Bizjack Haywood, Oliogu-Elabor, and Robinson that's a nice core.
https://x.com/ButlerGuru/status/2036809891424145454
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 09:33:31 AMButler is making a significant financial commitment for Nored. Jackson (their prize Portal signing last year but missed the season with an injury) has announced he is coming back. If they can keep Bizjack Haywood, Oliogu-Elabor, and Robinson that's a nice core.
https://x.com/ButlerGuru/status/2036809891424145454
Bad quote. Article (which can't be trusted anyway) does NOT say it 'looks like' Butler plans to increase their NIL spending to $9M. I think the breakdown because direct payments and third-party NIL is very important, and there's no breakdown here. Zero transparency in this world.
Unfortunate for them, 9mil budget will still be near the bottom of the conference. Great nationally, but not for the Big East.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 25, 2026, 09:51:19 AMUnfortunate for them, 9mil budget will still be near the bottom of the conference. Great nationally, but not for the Big East.
source?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2026, 08:53:51 AMMilan Momcilovic come on down! (this is a desperate prayer, but he would be ao good here)
He'll follow TJO. As would I.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 08:30:26 AMWhat cash?
https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2025/07/25/iowa-state-university-athletics-forecasts-budget-gaps-in-coming-years/
Iowa State University's athletics budget is feeling the fallout of changes to contracts and other shifts in collegiate sports infrastructure, according to budgets submitted to the Iowa Board of Regents, leading the university to halt capital projects and implement cost reduction strategies.
ISU's proposed athletic budget for the 2026 fiscal year totals $141 million, exceeding the previous athletic budget by $27 million. According to board documents, "several transformational changes" in collegiate athletics over the past two years have resulted in projected $30 million "recurring annual financial repercussions" to the university's athletics department, starting this year.
Where there is a will there is a way.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 10:11:05 AMLol
He's literally Wojo yelling, "PLAY HARDER" in the huddle.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2026, 10:08:50 AMWhere there is a will there is a way.
Their only hope is a rich person that has ISU NIL in their will goes.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 25, 2026, 09:52:45 AMsource?
Everyone knows these kids are choosing the university and not anything related to NIL or what schools are doing to be competitive financially with the roster.
🙄
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 08:54:48 AMThey've loosened up the religious rules over the past few years. Attending chapel 3x a week is no longer required, but rather students have to attend weekly as part of a class for credit. Still, no drinking and no co-ed dorms.
Personally, I thought Loyola Marymount was the better campus. It also looks like a country club and is far less isolated than Pepp, being very close to Venice Beach.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 08:54:48 AMThey've loosened up the religious rules over the past few years. Attending chapel 3x a week is no longer required, but rather students have to attend weekly as part of a class for credit. Still, no drinking and no co-ed dorms.
Personally, I thought Loyola Marymount was the better campus. It also looks like a country club and is far less isolated than Pepp, being very close to Venice Beach.
Liked near Pepperdine for 30+ years. I personally prefer Malibu to Venice Beach
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 25, 2026, 09:40:23 AMBad quote. Article (which can't be trusted anyway) does NOT say it 'looks like' Butler plans to increase their NIL spending to $9M. I think the breakdown because direct payments and third-party NIL is very important, and there's no breakdown here. Zero transparency in this world.
Trilly's discord is saying Butler NIL will be 6-7 million next year. This is why I can't trust any reported NIL numbers.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2026, 08:24:22 PMIf I were May or Lloyd, I'd have my agent suggest to Michigan/Arizona that UNC is coming after me and use it to get a nice raise. But there's really no reason to leave Michigan or Arizona for UNC.
...but there is. UNC is superior, on all fronts.
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 11:08:16 AM...but there is. UNC is superior, on all fronts.
If you have basketball spending budgets going forward for all three schools, please share them. Thanks.
Otherwise, a top coach can recruit studs and win a national title at Michigan or Arizona just the same as he can win one at UNC.
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 11:08:16 AM...but there is. UNC is superior, on all fronts.
nope
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 11:13:21 AMIf you have basketball spending budgets going forward for all three schools, please share them. Thanks.
Otherwise, a top coach can recruit studs and win a national title at Michigan or Arizona just the same as he can win one at UNC.
Yeah, the level of parity seems to make the jump to blue bloods less attractive. A good coach can win at just as high of a level without the outsized expectations.
Yup. Michigan and Arizona both have loaded rosters, and both figure to have loaded rosters in future years. May and Lloyd need not relocate to UNC or anywhere else to contend annually for a national title.
Now, if someone has real numbers showing that both coaching salary and player-procurement/retention budget are higher at UNC, I'll listen to the argument.
Lol Will Wade being Will Wade
North Carolina should hire one of the two main coaches in Iowa
Quote from: jfp61 on March 25, 2026, 11:31:13 AMLol Will Wade being Will Wade
Jeff Landry being Jeff Landry
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 11:13:21 AMIf you have basketball spending budgets going forward for all three schools, please share them. Thanks.
Otherwise, a top coach can recruit studs and win a national title at Michigan or Arizona just the same as he can win one at UNC.
I'd also ask UNC what conference they plan on being in moving forward because if they end up leaving the ACC, that job becomes less desirable.
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 11:08:16 AM...but there is. UNC is superior, on all fronts.
Than Arizona? Sure, but it's debatable. Than Michigan? Nope.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 25, 2026, 11:31:13 AMLol Will Wade being Will Wade
Wade got busted/fired for being sloppy about paying players, which everyone in SEC was doing obviously, and is no longer illegal. Violations aside, from what I recall, Wade was very well liked in Baton Rouge/inside the AD, not the standard egomaniac type of coach, and had really good relationships with his players. So if you get past the "ZOMG a cheater forever" mentality, which isn't uncommon thing to do in college sports, then it makes sense as a move, cause he's shown both before and after the sanctions, he's a really good basketball coach and is only 43. It's a way easier moral sell than hiring someone like Beard for example. And McMahon has been very underwhelming
Leaving NC State after one season is a dick move though. One that no one will care about but NC State fans though.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 12:33:20 PMLeaving NC State after one season is a dick move though. One that no one will care about but NC State fans though.
Not that I think it would work, but it would be something if they hired Hubert Davis
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 12:33:20 PMLeaving NC State after one season is a dick move though. One that no one will care about but NC State fans though.
Yep, it would all be forgotten in a year or two. Exactly the same with Sean Miller should he decide he doesn't want Texas anymore.
But what about "loyalty"?
This article was a good long form LSU read which helps explain where they are now:
https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/breaking-news/article/the-sordid-tale-of-lsu-football-the-louisiana-governor-and-a-years-long-feud-173500472.html
UNC's center is the most attractive big man.
And if/when they have major roster disfunction after the firing.
I think our core and $1.5 for him would get us to 80% of a starting 5.
He has one year of eligibility and is low 2nd rounder in the NBA draft. So taking one more shot at tournament would be attractive.
The problem is. St. John's UConn etc will be after him also.
We will have to compete on the $$$ for him with the big boys/spenders.
Quote from: burger on March 25, 2026, 01:13:07 PMUNC's center is the most attractive big man.
And if/when they have major roster disfunction after the firing.
I think our core and $1.5 for him would get us to 80% of a starting 5.
He has one year of eligibility and is low 2nd rounder in the NBA draft. So taking one more shot at tournament would be attractive.
The problem is. St. John's UConn etc will be after him also.
We will have to compete on the $$$ for him with the big boys/spenders.
I can promise you, literally everyone will make a pitch for him
That's going to be the case for all good players.
Which is why a lot of people around here are going to be very disappointed. I'll have my popcorn ready.
Quote from: burger on March 25, 2026, 01:13:07 PMUNC's center is the most attractive big man.
And if/when they have major roster disfunction after the firing.
I think our core and $1.5 for him would get us to 80% of a starting 5.
He has one year of eligibility and is low 2nd rounder in the NBA draft. So taking one more shot at tournament would be attractive.
The problem is. St. John's UConn etc will be after him also.
We will have to compete on the $$$ for him with the big boys/spenders.
A shot at the tournament will have little to no bearing on his decision.
Quote from: burger on March 25, 2026, 01:13:07 PMUNC's center is the most attractive big man.
And if/when they have major roster disfunction after the firing.
I think our core and $1.5 for him would get us to 80% of a starting 5.
He has one year of eligibility and is low 2nd rounder in the NBA draft. So taking one more shot at tournament would be attractive.
The problem is. St. John's UConn etc will be after him also.
We will have to compete on the $$$ for him with the big boys/spenders.
$1.5 million would get us laughed at by his agent.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 01:54:31 PM$1.5 million would get us laughed at by his agent.
I was thinking that, too.
I'm one of Scoop's biggest MU hoops optimists, but I'm also realistic enough to know that we're not gonna be landing the big-name, big-money free agents that will be subject to bidding wars.
If that's COLE, I can live with it; I like slaw with my BBQ.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 09:24:45 AMTotal control over one of American sports' iconic franchises, or spending your summers watching teens play AAU ball and sucking up to donors?
Tough call!
I, among many others, always thought Stevens back to college was a very slim chance. That went for slim to "never gonna happen" by his pretty clear lack of interest in taking over IU and bringing them back to blue blood status, which was the only thing I could have ever seen being appealing in some way.
When you really look at it, it's insane that people even still bring it up.
First off, he never played at or sat on the bench at a major program, much less was the HC at one. He spent his entire college coaching career at a low major, save for his last year when Butler went to the A-10. That's not to say he couldn't handle a step up like is a worry with some coaches, but rather he'd be leaving for a huge challenge/unfamiliar administrative set up, not one that he'd been away from awhile and may have changed, but one that he'd never dealt with, period.
Second, people seem to overlook/forget that, even forgetting about his front office tenure, he was the coach of the Celtics for 2 years longer than he was a college coach at Butler. All together he's been in Boston longer than he was at Butler. Donovan, for example, was a guy who spent 20+ years as a college HC. Stevens is as much an NBA guy at this point as he ever was a college guy.
Third, and probably most importantly, he's been very successful since leaving Butler. He never made a finals as a coach but did well and made conference finals 3 of the last 5 seasons before he resigned. Since moving to the front office, the Celtics have won a title and been a top 2 seed in the East every year. Donovan would make a move cause he had a decent year with Durant that first year in OKC and then hasn't won a playoff series since. He's missed the playoffs as often as made them. Calipari came back cause he failed with the Nets. Hoiberg went back to college cause he failed in Chicago. Stevens hasn't failed like all of them so why would he need to go back to college for comfort or chasing past success?
But Stevens won't be 50 for another 6 months so we have a solid decade of lazy writers and bloggers bringing up his name whenever a top 10 job opens
Listening to the radio this morning I heard some guy say that UNC's first call should be to Dan Hurley. My first thought was why?, so Dan can tell them he has a better job and they win more than UNC.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2026, 03:31:19 PMListening to the radio this morning I heard some guy say that UNC's first call should be to Dan Hurley. My first thought was why?, so Dan can tell them he has a better job and they win more than UNC.
"Come to UNC you can be a part of our tradition of 6 titles since 57!"
"Oh you mean like the 6 my school has since 99?"
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 01:54:31 PM$1.5 million would get us laughed at by his agent.
Who is his agent?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2026, 01:54:31 PM$1.5 million would get us laughed at by his agent.
Perhaps I should have a pleasant little chat with the two of them? We need a 5. BADLY.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2026, 03:43:40 PMWho is his agent?
Perhaps I should have a pleasant little chat with the two of them?
He would have a pleasant little dunk with you ending up stuck in the net, upside down, like a bat.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 11:13:21 AMIf you have basketball spending budgets going forward for all three schools, please share them. Thanks.
Otherwise, a top coach can recruit studs and win a national title at Michigan or Arizona just the same as he can win one at UNC.
UNC is like no other. If you need metrics...go have some ice cream...pecan, is it?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 12:14:03 PMThan Arizona? Sure, but it's debatable. Than Michigan? Nope.
UNC is the bluest of blue bloods. Body of work says you can't get more blue blood. Michigan, respectfully, no.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2026, 11:18:54 AMnope
Michael Jordan would like a word. Phil Ford will escort you to Walter Davis' office. Walter will take you over to Mitch Kupchak. Mitch and Bob McAdoo will escort you to MJ. Try not to cry, ok?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 25, 2026, 04:18:18 PMHe would have a pleasant little dunk with you ending up stuck in the net, upside down, like a bat.
Bats are awesome.
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 04:47:06 PMUNC is like no other. If you need metrics...go have some ice cream...pecan, is it?
Ah, so you've got no financial facts. Thanks.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 05:12:30 PMAh, so you've got no financial facts. Thanks.
you need finances? Finances have nothing to do with 'Blueblood'. If that's the case, Harvard wins. Body of work, 82. History. Pecan ice cream home made. Blueblood personified. Charlie Scott jumper. Tommy LaGarde jump hook. Blueblood!
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 05:28:21 PMyou need finances? Finances have nothing to do with 'Blueblood'. If that's the case, Harvard wins. Body of work, 82. History. Pecan ice cream home made. Blueblood personified. Charlie Scott jumper. Tommy LaGarde jump hook. Blueblood!
Ah, so you've got absolutely nothing. Thanks!
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 04:53:21 PMUNC is the bluest of blue bloods. Body of work says you can't get more blue blood. Michigan, respectfully, no.
Blue bloods don't mean much any longer. Money does. Michigan's got more of it.
I'd be shocked if any coach leaves a top end Big 10 school in any sport.
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 05:00:38 PMMichael Jordan would like a word. Phil Ford will escort you to Walter Davis' office. Walter will take you over to Mitch Kupchak. Mitch and Bob McAdoo will escort you to MJ. Try not to cry, ok?
Walter Davis who has been dead for 3 years is gonna take you to Mitch Kupchak's office? Beyond the fact that driving while deceased is pretty hard, you'll need a car cause Mitch will be at the Hornets facility where he's an advisor, not at UNC where he's had no role for the last 30 years while he's been an NBA exec. And oh, he'll join McAdoo who played a single season in Chapel Hill and hasn't been involved with the university at all since then other than token alumni events? Got it.
Bizarre that you think that, outside of MJ, name dropping a bunch of guys who played at UNC 50+ years ago and who aren't key figures in the basketball program now is what actually matters about winning a title against programs who have been much better at being competitive in the last 5 years.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2026, 05:33:03 PMAh, so you've got absolutely nothing. Thanks!
I just spelled it out. Blueblood!!! UNC is the def of, 82. AZ...good since Lute. Michigan? Love em...Johnny Orr on up, solid. Ain't UNC.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 25, 2026, 05:43:01 PMWalter Davis who has been dead for 3 years is gonna take you to Mitch Kupchak's office? Beyond the fact that driving while deceased is pretty hard, you'll need a car cause Mitch will be at the Hornets facility where he's an advisor, not at UNC where he's had no role for the last 30 years while he's been an NBA exec. And oh, he'll join McAdoo who played a single season in Chapel Hill and hasn't been involved with the university at all since then other than token alumni events? Got it.
Bizarre that you think that, outside of MJ, name dropping a bunch of guys who played at UNC 50+ years ago and who aren't key figures in the basketball program now is what actually matters about winning a title against programs who have been much better at being competitive in the last 5 years.
humorless, I see. You miss the point. 85, you miss the point.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 05:40:13 PMBlue bloods don't mean much any longer. Money does. Michigan's got more of it.
I'd be shocked if any coach leaves a top end Big 10 school in any sport.
did Willard take a step down leaving MD for 'nova? If May (in the rumor mill)left UM for UNC...step down?
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 05:48:02 PMdid Willard take a step down leaving MD for 'nova? If May (in the rumor mill)left UM for UNC...step down?
Marylands not really top end.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 05:49:22 PMMarylands not really top end.
Willard specifically cited a lack of investment and resources in the basketball program as a reason he left
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2026, 05:06:23 PMBats are awesome.
They spread disease worse than a fraternity basement. Kill em all
The new incoming AD at UNC pretty much spelled the end of Hubert Davis. If Bubba Cunningham was still the AD for the long term, I don't think Hubert would have been canned. In the modern NIL era, Blue Blood status still matters, however $$$,$$$ to $,$$$,$$$ matter a lot more and lets face it Hubert not a guy who can really attract Big Money donors even though he is a great guy. My guess is that UNC will go outside their Chapel Hill family and hire someone who has had proven win loss success at High Major conference.
Programs like MU that have some ability to focus their NIL resources, and more importantly immediate playing time, can still be successful recruiting high school players. Shaka is the exact right coach for MU in this environment and I expect the team to be back in the National Conversation again soon. If there are any decent players who end up getting dislocated in the UNC coaching change, it would be great if MU took a run at them if they are not too expensive.
Sounds like Luke Murray is likely to get the BC job. Not sure why he'd want it.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2026, 06:33:17 PMDry campus.
I have a friend whose daughter went there. She isn't very religious but actually enjoyed the dry aspect. Not much of a partier obviously, but she loved the beach.
Chris Mack takes the South Florida gig. Hard to believe his commitment he made a year ago to Charleston after being passed over for the Xavier job has passed us by.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 06:24:15 PMSounds like Luke Murray is likely to get the BC job. Not sure why he'd want it.
At some point, he probably had no choice but to take a job like this.
Quote from: UNC Eagle on March 25, 2026, 06:10:44 PMThe new incoming AD at UNC pretty much spelled the end of Hubert Davis. If Bubba Cunningham was still the AD for the long term, I don't think Hubert would have been canned. In the modern NIL era, Blue Blood status still matters, however $$$,$$$ to $,$$$,$$$ matter a lot more and lets face it Hubert not a guy who can really attract Big Money donors even though he is a great guy. My guess is that UNC will go outside their Chapel Hill family and hire someone who has had proven win loss success at High Major conference.
Programs like MU that have some ability to focus their NIL resources, and more importantly immediate playing time, can still be successful recruiting high school players. Shaka is the exact right coach for MU in this environment and I expect the team to be back in the National Conversation again soon. If there are any decent players who end up getting dislocated in the UNC coaching change, it would be great if MU took a run at them if they are not too expensive.
I've always been a fan of tobacco road hoops. My Dad was stationed at Bragg in the 70's. Everyone had a fav...UNC, State, Wake or Duke. The ACC was sooo good then 👍
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 05:00:38 PMMichael Jordan would like a word. Phil Ford will escort you to Walter Davis' office. Walter will take you over to Mitch Kupchak. Mitch and Bob McAdoo will escort you to MJ. Try not to cry, ok?
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The funny thing is that four of the five guys Viper mentioned never won a championship at UNC.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 06:24:15 PMSounds like Luke Murray is likely to get the BC job. Not sure why he'd want it.
the only BC Job anyone should care about is in the Old Testament - Scott Drew
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 05:43:36 PMI just spelled it out. Blueblood!!! UNC is the def of, 82. AZ...good since Lute. Michigan? Love em...Johnny Orr on up, solid. Ain't UNC.
Ah, so this is a bit. Not very funny, but thanks.
Quote from: Viper on March 25, 2026, 05:00:38 PMMichael Jordan would like a word. Phil Ford will escort you to Walter Davis' office. Walter will take you over to Mitch Kupchak. Mitch and Bob McAdoo will escort you to MJ. Try not to cry, ok?
Jordan is 63, Ford is 70, Davis is 69, Kupchak is 71, McAdoo is 75.
Times change, UNC is just Indiana with a different color scheme these days. Focused on past success thinking they're entitled to being top dog. Game has changed in the last 5 years. There is nothing special about them anymore in a world where money outweighs tradition.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 06:12:08 AMTimes change, UNC is just Indiana with a different color scheme these days.
I think they could fall to that level but aren't there yet. They have 3 Final Fours and a national title in the past decade. Hubert didn't help, but they could easily turn it around with the right coach next year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 25, 2026, 05:40:13 PMBlue bloods don't mean much any longer. Money does. Michigan's got more of it.
I'd be shocked if any coach leaves a top end Big 10 school in any sport.
Tend to agree with you. Look at UCLA which has won more titles than any school, but not so much over the last 30 years.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 25, 2026, 03:28:34 PMI, among many others, always thought Stevens back to college was a very slim chance. That went for slim to "never gonna happen" by his pretty clear lack of interest in taking over IU and bringing them back to blue blood status, which was the only thing I could have ever seen being appealing in some way.
When you really look at it, it's insane that people even still bring it up.
First off, he never played at or sat on the bench at a major program, much less was the HC at one. He spent his entire college coaching career at a low major, save for his last year when Butler went to the A-10. That's not to say he couldn't handle a step up like is a worry with some coaches, but rather he'd be leaving for a huge challenge/unfamiliar administrative set up, not one that he'd been away from awhile and may have changed, but one that he'd never dealt with, period.
Second, people seem to overlook/forget that, even forgetting about his front office tenure, he was the coach of the Celtics for 2 years longer than he was a college coach at Butler. All together he's been in Boston longer than he was at Butler. Donovan, for example, was a guy who spent 20+ years as a college HC. Stevens is as much an NBA guy at this point as he ever was a college guy.
Third, and probably most importantly, he's been very successful since leaving Butler. He never made a finals as a coach but did well and made conference finals 3 of the last 5 seasons before he resigned. Since moving to the front office, the Celtics have won a title and been a top 2 seed in the East every year. Donovan would make a move cause he had a decent year with Durant that first year in OKC and then hasn't won a playoff series since. He's missed the playoffs as often as made them. Calipari came back cause he failed with the Nets. Hoiberg went back to college cause he failed in Chicago. Stevens hasn't failed like all of them so why would he need to go back to college for comfort or chasing past success?
But Stevens won't be 50 for another 6 months so we have a solid decade of lazy writers and bloggers bringing up his name whenever a top 10 job opens
Stevens told Nate Oats, he would only ever return to a school where football is first. So maybe back to Indiana?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2026, 07:24:36 AMI think they could fall to that level but aren't there yet. They have 3 Final Fours and a national title in the past decade. Hubert didn't help, but they could easily turn it around with the right coach next year.
I'm going to disagree. I think blue blood doesn't mean anything in today's CBB. Sure, they may be able to lean on a little bit of cache from the brand, but coaches and money trump the storied traditions of these schools. If Baylor is throwing $4m at a kid, and UNC can do $2m is the kid going to turn down that kind of money to play on Tobacco Road? Can UNC financially compete with some of the schools with ultrawealthy donors? That will remain to be seen.
Quote from: MUDPT on March 26, 2026, 07:50:30 AMStevens told Nate Oats, he would only ever return to a school where football is first. So maybe back to Indiana?
You mean the job that was open just last year that he showed no interest in?
There is zero chance he goes back to college unless he is fired. But with what he has done with the Celtic, I doubt that happens.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 08:08:03 AMYou mean the job that was open just last year that he showed no interest in?
There is zero chance he goes back to college unless he is fired. But with what he has done with the Celtic, I doubt that happens.
I'm guessing it's more a joke now that Indiana is a football school.
MU needs to start a football program to lure Brad Stevens
Not sure it was mentioned here (unless I missed it) but TJO seems to be staying at ISU.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 08:08:03 AMYou mean the job that was open just last year that he showed no interest in?
There is zero chance he goes back to college unless he is fired. But with what he has done with the Celtic, I doubt that happens.
Even if fired, I imagine another NBA team would snatch him up quickly.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 08:07:59 AMI think blue blood doesn't mean anything in today's CBB.
Of course it means something. Is Jon Scheyer doing the same thing somewhere else as opposed to what he's done at Duke? Maybe eventually, but not this fast. Does anyone else have the payroll of Kentucky? Where did Caleb Wilson and Henri Veesaar go last year? Was it because Hubert is so elite as a coach?
It's not the only thing, but if you can have at elite payroll at UNC or South Carolina, you're taking UNC all day. If you can choose in a vacuum between Iowa State and Kansas, every coach is going to Lawrence.
The real advantage to CBB blue bloods is they know they are basketball programs. It's not just the history, it's that their donors care about that and will send their money specifically for that. UNC had the money last year, they just didn't spend it well. Combine a coach like Oats, Lloyd, or May with that brand and financial backing and they will be top-5 again as soon as November rolls around.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 08:07:59 AMI'm going to disagree. I think blue blood doesn't mean anything in today's CBB. Sure, they may be able to lean on a little bit of cache from the brand, but coaches and money trump the storied traditions of these schools. If Baylor is throwing $4m at a kid, and UNC can do $2m is the kid going to turn down that kind of money to play on Tobacco Road? Can UNC financially compete with some of the schools with ultrawealthy donors? That will remain to be seen.
They were able give Belichick a $10 million salary and $20 million NIL budget for a football program nobody really cares about. And they're the Jordan Brand flagship program.
I don't think UNC athletics is hurting for money, or needs to be terribly concerned about being outbid by the Baylors of the world.
If success is all going to hinge on ultrawealthy donors, the Ivies and Stanford are going to be killing it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2026, 08:54:41 AMOf course it means something. Is Jon Scheyer doing the same thing somewhere else as opposed to what he's done at Duke? Maybe eventually, but not this fast. Does anyone else have the payroll of Kentucky? Where did Caleb Wilson and Henri Veesaar go last year? Was it because Hubert is so elite as a coach?
It's not the only thing, but if you can have at elite payroll at UNC or South Carolina, you're taking UNC all day. If you can choose in a vacuum between Iowa State and Kansas, every coach is going to Lawrence.
The real advantage to CBB blue bloods is they know they are basketball programs. It's not just the history, it's that their donors care about that and will send their money specifically for that. UNC had the money last year, they just didn't spend it well. Combine a coach like Oats, Lloyd, or May with that brand and financial backing and they will be top-5 again as soon as November rolls around.
So you agree, coaching and finances are very important. All other things being equal, sure kids are going to choose the blue blood schools, but things are not equal.
And each year that passes this will become more true.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 26, 2026, 07:42:01 AMTend to agree with you. Look at UCLA which has won more titles than any school, but not so much over the last 30 years.
UCLA has one title since the 70s and one other title game appearance and Indiana has one title in 50 years and one other title game appearance. Meanwhile, Gonzaga and Butler have two title game appearances in that time frame.
Kentucky has three titles since 1978, and Kansas has three since 1985. The same number as Villanova.
We were the second most successful program of the 70s and we have one Final Four appearance in 49 years. Meanwhile, Bucky, an absolute joke of a program into the 90s, has three.
Meanwhile, UConn has six national titles since 1999.
Times change. That said, if any "blue blood" is going to be able to stay at the top, it's UNC, but not because of players like Jordan.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 08:59:02 AMThey were able give Belichick a $10 million salary and $20 million NIL budget for a football program nobody really cares about. And they're the Jordan Brand flagship program.
I don't think UNC athletics is hurting for money, or needs to be terribly concerned about being outbid by the Baylors of the world.
Baylor was an example, choose any school with super wealthy donors. Arkansas, TAMU, etc.
I also never said UNC is hurting for money, just that they can be outspent, easily.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 08:59:59 AMSo you agree, coaching and finances are very important. All other things being equal, sure kids are going to choose the blue blood schools, but things are not equal.
And each year that passes this will become more true.
Coaching and finances have always been important. UNC has finances that maybe 3-5 schools in the country can match. Hubert had between $14-16M to spend on this roster. It's not like it's been decades since UNC had success. They cut nets in 2017. They went to the Final Four in 2021. They spend at a top-5 level.
You're being wildly premature heaping dirt on their grave. I'd be surprised if they didn't pull a top-level head coach and I'd be surprised if that doesn't result in a top-level roster & protected seed next year.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 09:06:14 AMBaylor was an example, choose any school with super wealthy donors. Arkansas, TAMU, etc.
I also never said UNC is hurting for money, just that they can be outspent, easily.
I understand what you're saying. I'm just not sure it's true. I don't see any indication that TAMU or Arkansas is out there spending more, or has any desire to spend more, on basketball than UNC. Or that UNC is incapable of spending like those programs. Again, UNC just made Bill Belichick one of the 10 highest-paid coaches in college football, and UNC doesn't really care about college football. The idea that they're going to let hoops wither on the vine - or that Jordan Brand would allow that - for lack of resources just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2026, 09:18:11 AMCoaching and finances have always been important. UNC has finances that maybe 3-5 schools in the country can match. Hubert had between $14-16M to spend on this roster. It's not like it's been decades since UNC had success. They cut nets in 2017. They went to the Final Four in 2021. They spend at a top-5 level.
You're being wildly premature heaping dirt on their grave. I'd be surprised if they didn't pull a top-level head coach and I'd be surprised if that doesn't result in a top-level roster & protected seed next year.
Now do that same analysis and tell me why Indiana isn't crushing it as a blue blood. Why isn't Kentucky (despite all of their spending) getting protected seeds year in and year out? UCLA and Cronin's team has gotten worse every single year since the 2021 final four appearance.
If being a blue blood matters then why can't these teams succeed? Is it financial? Is it coaching?
I'm not writing UNC's epitaph, I just find it pretty humorous that they're treated like some inevitability as a successful program simply by firing Hubert Davis.
https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/2037162578435026946?s=61
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2026, 08:54:41 AMIt's not the only thing, but if you can have at elite payroll at UNC or South Carolina, you're taking UNC all day. If you can choose in a vacuum between Iowa State and Kansas, every coach is going to Lawrence.
Well, sure between South Carolina and North Carolina, yes you would make that choice. But between Michigan and UNC? Or Arizona and UNC? Then the question becomes more difficult.
Furthermore, you are right about Iowa State and Kansas "in a vacuum," but the question is whether a coach like TJO would make the leap to Kansas from ISU. If TJO likes his boss, is comfortable in Ames, and has plenty of resources to attract a top staff and players, he very well may not. He clearly can compete now without the blue blood name.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 09:29:12 AMI understand what you're saying. I'm just not sure it's true. I don't see any indication that TAMU or Arkansas is out there spending more, or has any desire to spend more, on basketball than UNC. Or that UNC is incapable of spending like those programs. Again, UNC just made Bill Belichick one of the 10 highest-paid coaches in college football, and UNC doesn't really care about college football. The idea that they're going to let hoops wither on the vine - or that Jordan Brand would allow that - for lack of resources just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
I disagree about them not caring about football. Maybe the AD didn't, but the money spenders do.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 08:42:47 AMNot sure it was mentioned here (unless I missed it) but TJO seems to be staying at ISU.
It was a pretty emphatic denial, but still not the total withdrawal, a la Brad Stevens yesterday.
Tommy Lloyd brushing off UNC speculation pretty much reads like every other coach who knows he's on the short list.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48307528/arizona-lloyd-brushes-unc-speculation-ahead-sweet-16
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 09:30:05 AMNow do that same analysis and tell me why Indiana isn't crushing it as a blue blood. Why isn't Kentucky (despite all of their spending) getting protected seeds year in and year out? UCLA and Cronin's team has gotten worse every single year since the 2021 final four appearance.
If being a blue blood matters then why can't these teams succeed? Is it financial? Is it coaching?
I'm not writing UNC's epitaph, I just find it pretty humorous that they're treated like some inevitability as a successful program simply by firing Hubert Davis.
Making good coaching choices still matters, a lot. Being a blue blood doesn't mean you can escape the consequences of a bad or mediocre hire. But it makes success easier when you make a good hire.
Would Scheyer be having the same success at TAMU as he's having at Duke? Would Dan Hurley be winning back-to-back titles at Cal if he had the exact same resources?
Would Hubert Davis have made a Final Four in his first season at Virginia Tech?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 09:30:05 AMNow do that same analysis and tell me why Indiana isn't crushing it as a blue blood. Why isn't Kentucky (despite all of their spending) getting protected seeds year in and year out? UCLA and Cronin's team has gotten worse every single year since the 2021 final four appearance.
Because of years of missteps. Because of multiple missed coaching decisions. Which could happen to UNC if they get it wrong a couple more times.
It wasn't Mike Davis, it was having to cut bait with Kelvin Sampson, never accepting Crean despite success, then two more bad hires in Archie & Woodson. It was 20 years of bad decisions.
At UCLA, their problem was a toxic administration. After Wooden, their next four coaches all lasted no more than 3 seasons and resigned, including a future Hall of Famer in Larry Brown (who took them to a national title game). The next three were fired, including Jim Harrick one year removed from winning the national title. At the same time, the Lakers were ascendant which let LA fans shift focus to Showtime.
Both are completely different and took a lot longer to fall than the time between Roy's retirement and today.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 09:44:39 AMMaking good coaching choices still matters, a lot. Being a blue blood doesn't mean you can escape the consequences of a bad or mediocre hire. But it makes success easier when you make a good hire.
Would Scheyer be having the same success at TAMU as he's having at Duke? Would Dan Hurley be winning back-to-back titles at Cal if he had the exact same resources?
Would Hubert Davis have made a Final Four in his first season at Virginia Tech?
Bolded: How so?
What I'm saying is being a blue blood no longer has the importance it once did. If we're rating why or why not programs are successful the list starts and ends with coaching and finances. Having a 'rich tradition' is a nice selling point for kids, but the majority of kids who are picking a school are looking at coaches and money.
I'd argue that good coaches with enough money will succeed no matter the name of the school. Additionally, I'm sure some coaches would rather NOT work at some of the blue bloods simply because of the crazy amount of pressure from irrational fans stuck in the past who expect to compete for a championship every year without fail.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2026, 09:51:52 AMBecause of years of missteps. Because of multiple missed coaching decisions. Which could happen to UNC if they get it wrong a couple more times.
It wasn't Mike Davis, it was having to cut bait with Kelvin Sampson, never accepting Crean despite success, then two more bad hires in Archie & Woodson. It was 20 years of bad decisions.
At UCLA, their problem was a toxic administration. After Wooden, their next four coaches all lasted no more than 3 seasons and resigned, including a future Hall of Famer in Larry Brown (who took them to a national title game). The next three were fired, including Jim Harrick one year removed from winning the national title. At the same time, the Lakers were ascendant which let LA fans shift focus to Showtime.
Both are completely different and took a lot longer to fall than the time between Roy's retirement and today.
Yes, that's all I'm saying! If they dick up another hire at UNC they're Indiana. Administrators will panic and hire the next "It guy" to preserve their jobs, and all of these blue bloods could easily go by the wayside.
"Is it open?"
https://x.com/shelbymswanson/status/2032168594549641521?s=46
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 09:55:00 AMBolded: How so?
What I'm saying is being a blue blood no longer has the importance it once did. If we're rating why or why not programs are successful the list starts and ends with coaching and finances. Having a 'rich tradition' is a nice selling point for kids, but the majority of kids who are picking a school are looking at coaches and money.
I'd argue that good coaches with enough money will succeed no matter the name of the school. Additionally, I'm sure some coaches would rather NOT work at some of the blue bloods simply because of the crazy amount of pressure from irrational fans stuck in the past who expect to compete for a championship every year without fail.
OK, then answer my questions.
Do you think Hurley would have the same success at Cal as he's had at UConn, if given the same resources? Would Scheyer have the same success at A&M that he's had at Duke?
If not, why not, if all that matters is the coach and the money?
Being a blue blood is more than just a name. It means the program has an institutional structure and a culture of success (and we've certainly heard a lot about the importance of culture around here, haven't we?). That culture doesn't inoculate a program from failure if it makes a blah hire or support falls off, but it creates an easier path to success.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 09:38:24 AMI disagree about them not caring about football. Maybe the AD didn't, but the money spenders do.
Care is a relative term, and in this case, relative to other P4 programs.
UNC plays in a 50,000-seat stadium that they don't regularly sell out. They have a long history of retaining coaches with middling levels of success that would get them fired after two seasons at programs that care (see: Larry Fedora survived seven seasons while going 43-41 overall, 28-28 in the ACC; Mack Brown's second tenure lasted six years despite finishing just once in the top 25 and a 67-58 ACC record).
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 10:28:51 AMOK, then answer my questions.
Do you think Hurley would have the same success at Cal as he's had at UConn, if given the same resources? Would Scheyer have the same success at A&M that he's had at Duke?
If not, why not, if all that matters is the coach and the money?
Being a blue blood is more than just a name. It means the program has an institutional structure and a culture of success (and we've certainly heard a lot about the importance of culture around here, haven't we?). That culture doesn't inoculate a program from failure if it makes a blah hire or support falls off, but it creates an easier path to success.
Yes to both.
That is an argument that probably held more water prior to the wild west of NIL money.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 10:28:51 AMDo you think Hurley would have the same success at Cal as he's had at UConn, if given the same resources?
Yes. I think he would.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 10:28:51 AMWould Scheyer have the same success at A&M that he's had at Duke?
That's a little different since IMO he is benefitting from being promoted from within. I do think he would have been a good coach elsewhere however.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 10:38:29 AMCare is a relative term, and in this case, relative to other P4 programs.
UNC plays in a 50,000-seat stadium that they don't regularly sell out. They have a long history of retaining coaches with middling levels of success that would get them fired after two seasons at programs that care (see: Larry Fedora survived seven seasons while going 43-41 overall, 28-28 in the ACC; Mack Brown's second tenure lasted six years despite finishing just once in the top 25 and a 67-58 ACC record).
Recent happenings suggest the money donors are investing/caring in football. The other stuff is all true but in the past. I'm not saying it's a wise investment but they overrode the AD to go get Belichick and overpay him and his staff and roster.
Indiana's money people didn't invest in football until recently either. Investing wisely still matters but there was a time Indiana football got pittance versus the basketball program. Football drives the bus.
Indiana's stadium was always empty at one time, too. Things change.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 10:50:27 AMYes. I think he would.
That's a little different since IMO he is benefitting from being promoted from within. I do think he would have been a good coach elsewhere however.
Dan Hurley is good coach regardless of where he is. There's a reason UConn wanted him and why a lot of college basketball people thought he'd kill it there.
DePaul could have had Scheyer and we might have learned about him. Alas, they went Blue.
Quote from: MuMark on March 26, 2026, 09:30:24 AMhttps://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/2037162578435026946?s=61
they are preparing to make him a strong-ass offer
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 08:08:03 AMYou mean the job that was open just last year that he showed no interest in?
There is zero chance he goes back to college unless he is fired. But with what he has done with the Celtic, I doubt that happens.
I should have put it in teal.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 10:52:05 AMIndiana's stadium was always empty at one time, too. Things change.
But that only happened when they started winning. I'm sure if UNC football becomes a national title contender, fans will fill the seats.
Quote from: MuMark on March 26, 2026, 09:30:24 AMhttps://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/2037162578435026946?s=61
#donedeal
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2037200195541168281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2037200195541168281%7Ctwgr%5E3bc73260e9ecd632c7dc5b741688b60894ed8409%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.on3.com%2Fnews%2Frick-pitino-claims-college-basketball-has-no-blue-bloods-anymore-i-think-thats-great%2F
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 11:30:53 AMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2037200195541168281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2037200195541168281%7Ctwgr%5E3bc73260e9ecd632c7dc5b741688b60894ed8409%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.on3.com%2Fnews%2Frick-pitino-claims-college-basketball-has-no-blue-bloods-anymore-i-think-thats-great%2F
He's wrong. There is still one program where the name means more than the $$ for potential players. It's not UNC or Kansas or Kentucky...with NIL those are just another state school and there's no reason a similarly sized state school can't match them blow for blow. It's not even UConn, though the back to back Nattys have some pull.
It's Duke. The Duke brand still matters. Duke has plenty of money to throw around, but I think they are the one remaining Blue Blood in that they have the name recognition power that pulls kids in.
Confirmed, Pitino reads scoop for my takes!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 11:49:55 AMConfirmed, Pitino reads scoop for my takes!
Or are you Rick Pitino?
NC State fans with predictable reactions............
https://x.com/coachwadencsu/status/2037212313925628374?s=61
Their "in love with a stripper"
Quote from: MuMark on March 26, 2026, 12:11:14 PMNC State fans with predictable reactions............
https://x.com/coachwadencsu/status/2037212313925628374?s=61
"I can't believe that leopard ate our faces."
There are lots of people who would argue that UConn isn't a "blueblood," even though they've won 5 titles since 1999, but that UCLA and Indiana are because of what they were under Wooden and Knight.
Anyhoo, I'll just stick with my belief that, money being equal, there is absolutely no reason for May or Lloyd to leave Michigan or Arizona for UNC or any other alleged blueblood.
I think the actual answer to the Bluebood banter is that they're are fewer Bluebloods, and they have fewer advantages, not that they don't exist. Pakuni is correct that they have structures in place in addition to their name. Indiana and UCLA are no longer BB's. Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky are absolutely BB's. And while NIL decreases their dominance, and coaches matter a lot, none of these schools will ever be bereft of talent or in jeopardy of irrelevance.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 08:59:02 AMThey were able give Belichick a $10 million salary and $20 million NIL budget for a football program nobody really cares about.
#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 01:47:38 PMOh, it is.
It's as fake news as saying players committed to schools and not coaches.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 01:48:44 PMIt's as fake news as saying players committed to schools and not coaches.
Back in the day, many literally signed contracts stating they did. So, quite real.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 12:40:53 PMThere are lots of people who would argue that UConn isn't a "blueblood," even though they've won 5 titles since 1999, but that UCLA and Indiana are because of what they were under Wooden and Knight.
Anyhoo, I'll just stick with my belief that, money being equal, there is absolutely no reason for May or Lloyd to leave Michigan or Arizona for UNC or any other alleged blueblood.
6 titles: 99, 04, 11, 14, 23, 24
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 01:41:29 PM#FakeNews #Lies
https://x.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1866961856612753906?s=20
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 01:51:07 PMBack in the day, many literally signed contracts stating they did. So, quite real.
Mhm
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 01:56:28 PMhttps://x.com/MattHayesCFB/status/1866961856612753906?s=20
Oh, I'm well aware of this December 2024 tweet. It's nonsense #FakeNews #Lies.
Do you know when the House vs. NCAA Settlement was an approved #donedeal? lol
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2037245141853896814?s=61
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 02:03:10 PMOh, I'm well aware of this December 2024 tweet. It's nonsense #FakeNews #Lies.
Do you know when the House vs. NCAA Settlement was an approved #donedeal? lol
Not in December 2024.
Shaheen to NC State. #donedeal
I would be surprise if he let his name be out there before the Sweet Sixteen games.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 26, 2026, 10:17:30 AM"Is it open?"
https://x.com/shelbymswanson/status/2032168594549641521?s=46
no way Will Wade would be dishonest:
https://x.com/fleischman_noah/status/2037236169486844131
The NCST AD is a fool
The guy resigned by email through his agent........
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2037255065635876939?s=61
Yeah, the AD is probably feeling a lot of heat for taking a big swing and miss with a known slimeball. The football program has been monumentally average as well.
Quote from: MuMark on March 26, 2026, 02:53:16 PMThe guy resigned by email through his agent........
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2037255065635876939?s=61
Sheesh. Even Lane probably told him he didn't handle that the best.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 03:00:01 PMYeah, the AD is probably feeling a lot of heat for taking a big swing and miss with a known slimeball. The football program has been monumentally average as well.
Correct. He should absolutely be let go
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 03:01:23 PMCorrect. He should absolutely be let go
Well, he is a Domer
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 09:37:13 AMWell, sure between South Carolina and North Carolina, yes you would make that choice. But between Michigan and UNC? Or Arizona and UNC? Then the question becomes more difficult.
Furthermore, you are right about Iowa State and Kansas "in a vacuum," but the question is whether a coach like TJO would make the leap to Kansas from ISU. If TJO likes his boss, is comfortable in Ames, and has plenty of resources to attract a top staff and players, he very well may not. He clearly can compete now without the blue blood name.
Any to follow this up, here is what TJO said when asked about the UNC job:
https://bsky.app/profile/norlander.bsky.social/post/3mhygsbuxe222
Quote from: The Sultan on March 26, 2026, 03:30:23 PMAny to follow this up, here is what TJO said when asked about the UNC job:
https://bsky.app/profile/norlander.bsky.social/post/3mhygsbuxe222
"We're futured for our future even better than the five years we've had."
(https://media.tenor.com/tilghGGEvDEAAAAM/whatcha-talking-about-w-illis-what-are-you-talking-about.gif)
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 26, 2026, 01:52:11 PM6 titles: 99, 04, 11, 14, 23, 24
I sit corrected. Thanks.
Quote from: MuMark on March 26, 2026, 02:12:03 PMhttps://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2037245141853896814?s=61
TJO waiting for Shaka to get fired so he can come home.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 04:10:12 PMTJO waiting for Shaka to get fired so he can come home.
Brother, I so look forward to that delusional conversation when the day comes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2026, 04:15:14 PMBrother, I so look forward to that delusional conversation when the day comes
Forms of that conversation have already taken place on Scoop. It was wishful (delusional?) thinking by some.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 04:06:45 PMI sit corrected. Thanks.
Good! No need to take this correction lying down.
You've been right a bizillion times, so no big deal.
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2037286488128319573?s=61
That would be a heckuva hire for BC.
Can't possibly be a less likeable coaching triumvirate in history than Will Wade, Lane Kiffin and Kim Mulkey.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 26, 2026, 05:31:36 PMThat would be a heckuva hire for BC.
For several reasons. Having Bill as a supporter will increase their Nil budget.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 26, 2026, 06:07:39 PMFor several reasons. Having Bill as a supporter will increase their Nil budget.
#FakeNews #Lies
They're already planning to cap out at the $21.32 this next year, with approx. 75% going to football.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 06:10:43 PM#FakeNews #Lies
They're already planning to cap out at the $21.32 this next year, with approx. 75% going to football.
Not going to get much of team together for $21 and some change. That'll barely get you six gallons of gas in Boston these days.
#BadMath #FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 06:31:18 PMNot going to get much of team together for $21 and some change. That'll barely get your six gallons of gas in Boston these days.
#BadMath #FakeNews #Lies
It's just a few pennies higher, what's the big deal?
#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2026, 06:12:08 AMJordan is 63, Ford is 70, Davis is 69, Kupchak is 71, McAdoo is 75.
Times change, UNC is just Indiana with a different color scheme these days. Focused on past success thinking they're entitled to being top dog. Game has changed in the last 5 years. There is nothing special about them anymore in a world where money outweighs tradition.
Hubert had em in the natty game. Should have won it. (but did knock out Coach K in that F4) From there not to UNC standards, absolutely ...because they are a Blueblood. If they get the right guy (I think they will), they'll be back and dominant.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 06:31:18 PMNot going to get much of team together for $21 and some change.
Hey, Dayton does it.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 26, 2026, 06:07:39 PMFor several reasons. Having Bill as a supporter will increase their Nil budget.
Or actually put people in the arena actually watching a BC home game.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2026, 05:45:39 PMCan't possibly be a less likeable coaching triumvirate in history than Will Wade, Lane Kiffin and Kim Mulkey.
Kim gets a bad rap from the media. I have a few friends who have worked with her professionally and have nothing but good things to say about her as a coach and person. She did Angel Reese a favor by benching her so she could focus on academics and not be ineligible for her final semester. The wild outfits she wears are from small, local designers and meant to bring them attention to grow their businesses.
Wade and Kiffin? I don't know anyone with a positive thing to say about them.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2026, 10:17:10 AMKim gets a bad rap from the media. I have a few friends who have worked with her professionally and have nothing but good things to say about her as a coach and person. She did Angel Reese a favor by benching her so she could focus on academics and not be ineligible for her final semester. The wild outfits she wears are from small, local designers and meant to bring them attention to grow their businesses.
Wade and Kiffin? I don't know anyone with a positive thing to say about them.
Yes, telling fans to not get upset that her employer systematically covered up rapes by football players is just the media giving her a bad rap.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2026, 10:17:10 AMKim gets a bad rap from the media. I have a few friends who have worked with her professionally and have nothing but good things to say about her as a coach and person. She did Angel Reese a favor by benching her so she could focus on academics and not be ineligible for her final semester. The wild outfits she wears are from small, local designers and meant to bring them attention to grow their businesses.
Wade and Kiffin? I don't know anyone with a positive thing to say about them.
The media didn't force her to make light of sexual assault. The media didn't tell her to suggest that parents be "knocked in the face" for not wanting to send their daughter to Baylor given its handling of assault allegations. The media didn't cause her to tell players to hide their sexual orientation.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 26, 2026, 06:10:43 PM#FakeNews #Lies
They're already planning to cap out at the $21.32 this next year, with approx. 75% going to football.
There are other ways to do it beyond the school cap. Players can cut their own sponsorship deals.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2026, 11:09:57 AMThere are other ways to do it beyond the school cap. Players can cut their own sponsorship deals.
#FakeNews #Lies
The response was to the claim it was "their (BC's) budget". That is false. Players cutting their own deals with third parties is not a part of BC's budget.
Butler is losing two local kids who announced they're entering the Portal today, freshman PG Stink Robinson and sophomore SG Evan Haywood. That's four total, with Jamie Kaiser and the freshman Jack McCaffrey (no more Caitlin Clark sightings at Hinkle, I guess).
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2026, 11:09:57 AMThere are other ways to do it beyond the school cap. Players can cut their own sponsorship deals.
Anyway you cut it, Murray at BC will help players maximize their earning potential, thus, increasing BC's NIL opportunities. The budget will definitely be bigger.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2026, 11:09:57 AMThere are other ways to do it beyond the school cap. Players can cut their own sponsorship deals.
Those are likely to be small potatoes for most guys?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2026, 04:02:46 PMButler is losing two local kids who announced they're entering the Portal today, freshman PG Stink Robinson and sophomore SG Evan Haywood. That's four total, with Jamie Kaiser and the freshman Jack McCaffrey (no more Caitlin Clark sightings at Hinkle, I guess).
Just looked up McCaffrey. He apparently doesn't shoot it like his brothers did.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2026, 05:15:21 PMJust looked up McCaffrey. He apparently doesn't shoot it like his brothers did.
He was supposed to be the best overall player of the three. He can go play at Penn
Butler got the ol' Jack-Off
https://x.com/lupusbeowulf/status/2038049761496846814?s=42
https://x.com/marksingelais/status/2038337097329713342?s=61
Is Shaka being considered for the UNC job?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6jXzqpA56sGQrmrh6
Quote from: Kikito MU89 on March 29, 2026, 07:32:40 PMIs Shaka being considered for the UNC job?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6jXzqpA56sGQrmrh6
Very very doubtful.
Not carousel news, but ...
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/2038379496097612161?s=20
Schertz turns down NC State to stay at SLU. A good move; he'll get better offers after next season.
Justin Gainey 2 NC State
#muMbb
Ben Jacobson to Utah State. USU prioritized stability after losing 4 coaches to high majors since 2018 (Craig Smith was the longest tenured at three seasons). Jacobson turned down multiple opportunities to leave Northern Iowa during his 20 year tenure there.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2026, 08:33:38 PMNot carousel news, but ...
https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/2038379496097612161?s=20
How long is Rick realistically able to continue? I mean he's 74, he should be looking at presidential campaign not coaching basketball.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 30, 2026, 09:30:35 AMBen Jacobson to Utah State. USU prioritized stability after losing 4 coaches to high majors since 2018 (Craig Smith was the longest tenured at three seasons). Jacobson turned down multiple opportunities to leave Northern Iowa during his 20 year tenure there.
That's an interesting move. Surprised that's the place he left for.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2026, 10:19:15 AMThat's an interesting move. Surprised that's the place he left for.
I kinda wonder if he had better offers earlier in his career that he turned down, only to have the market dry up a bit since he's been rather pedestrian prior to this season.
I also think Utah State in the new Pac-12 is still a better place than the MVC, which isn't close to what it was when he started there.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2026, 10:36:57 AMI kinda wonder if he had better offers earlier in his career that he turned down, only to have the market dry up a bit since he's been rather pedestrian prior to this season.
Entirely possible. If I remember correctly, his name was floated in Madison at one time when there was doubts about Gard getting the gig full time.
I think he'll do fine at Utah State. Just weird timing with the move to the Frankenstein PAC-12. Should have more financial support, I'd think. They have a kid from Wisconsin Lutheran committed at UNI. Wonder if he follows or reopens his recruitment
Didn't see this coming ...
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2038642803018764505?s=20
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2026, 10:39:53 AMEntirely possible. If I remember correctly, his name was floated in Madison at one time when there was doubts about Gard getting the gig full time.
I think he'll do fine at Utah State. Just weird timing with the move to the Frankenstein PAC-12. Should have more financial support, I'd think. They have a kid from Wisconsin Lutheran committed at UNI. Wonder if he follows or reopens his recruitment
Good call on Zens. He's a good player. Better than Kager.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2026, 10:46:06 AMDidn't see this coming ...
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2038642803018764505?s=20
Another surprise. Charleston has definitely had its share of solid coaches through the years.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 30, 2026, 10:47:13 AMGood call on Zens. He's a good player. Better than Kager.
He is a good player and he is better than Kager now. I'm not sure he will be better than Kager a couple years from now.
Maybe it's me, but I'm a bit perplexed why UNC would want Billy Donovan. Among the younger coaches, they'll land one. I mean why would you hire Donovan over say Todd Golden or T.J.?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2026, 06:37:39 PMMaybe it's me, but I'm a bit perplexed why UNC would want Billy Donovan. Among the younger coaches, they'll land one. I mean why would you hire Donovan over say Todd Golden or T.J.?
Makes sense up until you wrote Todd Golden.
Donovan hasn't impressed me in the NBA, but he is a proven commodity in college. If he has the desire to keep coaching and win, UNC could be a great spot. But his total acceptance of the Bulls below average results makes one question his desire to win versus collect a paycheck.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2026, 07:44:49 PMMakes sense up until you wrote Todd Golden.
Donovan hasn't impressed me in the NBA, but he is a proven commodity in college. If he has the desire to keep coaching and win, UNC could be a great spot. But his total acceptance of the Bulls below average results makes one question his desire to win versus collect a paycheck.
Donovan hates Jaden Ivey. #Purdue
Golden isn't a cultural fit at UNC and probably wouldn't have taken it anyway
TJ seems genuinely happy at ISU......like Few at Gonzaga.
Not everyone wants the fish bowl of coaching at a blue blood.......especially when they are already at a place where they can win and pays them well.
Quote from: MuMark on March 30, 2026, 10:08:44 PMGolden isn't a cultural fit at UNC and probably wouldn't have taken it anyway
TJ seems genuinely happy at ISU......like Few at Gonzaga.
Not everyone wants the fish bowl of coaching at a blue blood.......especially when they are already at a place where they can win and pays them well.
Isn't the cultural fit at every program not to have a guy accused of stalking and sexual harassment? I suppose the SEC doesn't care but this isn't Dean Smith's UNC. They're going outside the family, so what do you believe is the specific cultural fit there?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2026, 10:26:07 PMIsn't the cultural fit at every program not to have a guy accused of stalking and sexual harassment? I suppose the SEC doesn't care but this isn't Dean Smith's UNC. They're going outside the family, so what do you believe is the specific cultural fit there?
So you're surprised that UNC has higher standards for who the person is and how they conduct themselves than LSU and Florida?
Really?
Culture fit there is someone without baggage , who won't embarrass them.....and who will win a lot.....
I'm sure they'd love to have someone like Tommy Lloyd but don't know if he will move either......especially if he wins it all.
I'm sure they will get somebody good.......but Kentucky had to settle for Mark Pope so..........
Quote from: MuMark on March 30, 2026, 10:34:42 PMSo you're surprised that UNC has higher standards for who the person is and how they conduct themselves than LSU and Florida?
Really?
Culture fit there is someone without baggage , who won't embarrass them.....and who will win a lot.....
I'm sure they'd love to have someone like Tommy Lloyd but don't know if he will move either......especially if he wins it all.
I'm sure they'd love will get somebody good.......but Kentucky had to settle for Mark Pope so..........
I'll concede the perception is the SEC has lower (or no) standards compared to other schools, but it's hard to really know whether scumbaggery among big-time coaches is night and day school to school. Especially massive state schools whose main priority is to win.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2026, 10:46:06 AMDidn't see this coming ...
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2038642803018764505?s=20
Unexpected, but Groce is only 54 and presumably didn't want to be a MAC lifer, so making the jump to a program where it's fairly easy to win (4 of the last 5 coaches have been success) and the last 3 coaches all got $1MM+ promotions out of it...makes sense. He's done really well at Akron, but anamoly of this year aside, the MAC is a one bid league and you risk getting stuck in coaching purgatory as an older coach if you don't win the MAC tourney (shout out Tod Kowalczyk who would have multiple NCAA bids and have gotten a high mid major/low P5 gig if he did what he's done at Toledo in the early 2000s MAC or current MVC/A10/CAA). Also, fairly certain Akron isn't putting much more into the program resource-wise. Good move by Groce
Woj media influence getting On3 to provide a glowing review of him hiring his good friend and alumni buddy at St Bonnie...
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2038632478898889066?s=20 (https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2038632478898889066?s=20)
He's had 2 good years the last 2 seasons in a HORRIBLE conference. 9 team conference, only had 1 other team above .500 overall this year, 2 other teams over .500 last year. In his 11 previous years at Daeman, in said terrible conference that doesn't have a track record of teams succeeding in the D2 tourney, he only won the conference 2 other years besides 25/26 (Tobin Anderson, recently fired at Iona, owned him annually). In those previous 11 years, he only won 4 D2 NCAA tourney games (3 of which were in 2021 in a tourney played without fans). Last year they were upset in the second round as the #1 seed despite playing the regional at home.
In 8 years at D3 Medaille prior to Daeman, he made the tourney only 3 years and won a single game.
And that's his positive resume to get him hired, cause he previously was the HC at Canisus where he finished 30 games below .500 in conference in 9 years in which he finished above 7th in the MAAC just once.
I'm sure Woj and St Bonaventure decision makers will say they are trying to replicate the success of D2 coaches given how well McCollum and Schertz have done. But that's like somebody poaching Wojo cause of the success of the previous 2 MU coaches and he was also a MU coach that made the NCAA tourney.
Last 10 years in D2 before being hired...
McCollum: 305-48, 10 conference titles (1 shared), 4 national champions, 3 S16s, 9 of 9 tournaments made (1 cancelled for COVID), 1 first round loss
Schertz: 276-43, 8 conference titles, 1 runner up, 2 F4s, 2 S16s, 8 of 9 tournaments made (1 cancelled for COVID), no first round losses
McDonald: 225-77, 3 conference titles, 2 E8s, 5 of 9 tournaments made (1 cancelled for COVID), 2 first round losses
Oh and for fun, ol Bruce when he got hired from D2 Southern Indiana in 9 years:
231-46, 5 conference titles, 1 natty, 1 runner up, 4 S16s, 9 of 9 tournaments made, 2 first round losses.
And Schertz/McCollum/Pearl were in their early/mid 40s at their first HC gigs, not 60 year old failed D1 coaches. And Schertz/McCollum were hired to the MVC, which I'd argue is a step down from the A10 as it currently stands. Obviously Pearl was hired into the much lower Horizon.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2026, 06:37:39 PMMaybe it's me, but I'm a bit perplexed why UNC would want Billy Donovan. Among the younger coaches, they'll land one. I mean why would you hire Donovan over say Todd Golden or T.J.?
My understanding is the UNC list is:
1) Lloyd
2) May
3) Donovan
That's the top 3, in order. Some reports have said that TJ isn't interested, and UNC may not be interested in Golden. (Reports of $16 million buyout that drops to $11 million in mid April) There would be a next tier. But that is supposedly the top tier or first tier until after the NCAA Tourney is complete.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 31, 2026, 10:31:51 AMWoj media influence getting On3 to provide a glowing review of him hiring his good friend and alumni buddy at St Bonnie...
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2038632478898889066?s=20 (https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2038632478898889066?s=20)
He's had 2 good years the last 2 seasons in a HORRIBLE conference. 9 team conference, only had 1 other team above .500 overall this year, 2 other teams over .500 last year. In his 11 previous years at Daeman, in said terrible conference that doesn't have a track record of teams succeeding in the D2 tourney, he only won the conference 2 other years besides 25/26 (Tobin Anderson, recently fired at Iona, owned him annually). In those previous 11 years, he only won 4 D2 NCAA tourney games (3 of which were in 2021 in a tourney played without fans). Last year they were upset in the second round as the #1 seed despite playing the regional at home.
In 8 years at D3 Medaille prior to Daeman, he made the tourney only 3 years and won a single game.
And that's his positive resume to get him hired, cause he previously was the HC at Canisus where he finished 30 games below .500 in conference in 9 years in which he finished above 7th in the MAAC just once.
I'm sure Woj and St Bonaventure decision makers will say they are trying to replicate the success of D2 coaches given how well McCollum and Schertz have done. But that's like somebody poaching Wojo cause of the success of the previous 2 MU coaches and he was also a MU coach that made the NCAA tourney.
Last 10 years in D2 before being hired...
McCollum: 305-48, 10 conference titles (1 shared), 4 national champions, 3 S16s, 9 of 9 tournaments made (1 cancelled for COVID), 1 first round loss
Schertz: 276-43, 8 conference titles, 1 runner up, 2 F4s, 2 S16s, 8 of 9 tournaments made (1 cancelled for COVID), no first round losses
McDonald: 225-77, 3 conference titles, 2 E8s, 5 of 9 tournaments made (1 cancelled for COVID), 2 first round losses
Oh and for fun, ol Bruce when he got hired from D2 Southern Indiana in 9 years:
231-46, 5 conference titles, 1 natty, 1 runner up, 4 S16s, 9 of 9 tournaments made, 2 first round losses.
And Schertz/McCollum/Pearl were in their early/mid 40s at their first HC gigs, not 60 year old failed D1 coaches. And Schertz/McCollum were hired to the MVC, which I'd argue is a step down from the A10 as it currently stands. Obviously Pearl was hired into the much lower Horizon.
Bonnies have to be creative. It's tough to get to Olean, and it's tough to convince some to go to Olean.
They recently hired a soccer coach (Ray Leone) whose resume includes stops at:
Berry (HC)
Creighton (HC)
Clemson AC
Clemson (HC)
Arizona State (HC)
Harvard (HC)
Maryland (HC)
IMG Academy (AC)
Northern Arizona (AC)
United States Sports Academy (HC)
New College of Florida (AHC)/FC Sarasota
Some stops were co-coaching with his wife Tracey, who is currently an AC at UNC. (Former standout player at UNC and with the USWNT)
MacDonald and Woj knew one another back when they were at St. Bonnies as students. Don't over think this. He hired his friend.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 10:55:26 AMMacDonald and Woj knew one another back when they were at St. Bonnies as students. Don't over think this. He hired his friend.
It's the A-10. No one wants to coach there unless they have to.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 31, 2026, 10:40:33 AMMy understanding is the UNC list is:
1) Lloyd
2) May
3) Donovan
They're probably gonna have to expand their list.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 10:55:26 AMMacDonald and Woj knew one another back when they were at St. Bonnies as students. Don't over think this. He hired his friend.
I don't know of if that was to me or shoot, but that's 1000% what it is. I just found the tweet funny, as if winning 100 games at each level is impressive when you spend 10 years at a stop. Also I realize that Woj still is incredibly well connected media wise so the various tweets/posts spinning this as a smart hire is a result of that, I imagine you wouldn't see the same if Duquesne made a similar hire.
Olean may not be Orlando, but there are dozens of coaches with a better resume who'd jump at an A10 job paying high 6 figures (Schmidt made $1.5MM but supposedly they aren't trying to spend more than $750K on a new coach).
Woj is looking like an absolute mess as a GM. Hasn't used his connections to retain talent, hasn't been able to leverage them into better NIL funding, and now an incredibly underwhelming buddy buddy hire after firing the second best coach in program history. I can understand maybe wanting a change, been an underwhelming few seasons after those top 25 level teams 4-5 years ago. But not if you don't have an exciting option in the wings, especially given the aforementioned challenges and failings since he became GM.
Dayton/VCU/SLU adapting to the new game, Woj and SBU gonna have a fun few years on the other side of the coin before they end up backsliding into the MAAC or NEC.
Zens asked for his release from Northern Iowa. Not sure if MU had much interest. 6'7" and can shoot. Also pretty strong. Likely need more transfers than expected to add to that class.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 12:15:49 PMThey're probably gonna have to expand their list.
They might. But for now it's 1 of those 3. And Donovan is apparently more of a candidate than some may think.
If Kansas opened, McCollum, Otzleberger, McCasland would likely be some of the targets there.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 31, 2026, 12:16:38 PMWoj is looking like an absolute mess as a GM. Hasn't used his connections to retain talent, hasn't been able to leverage them into better NIL funding, and now an incredibly underwhelming buddy buddy hire after firing the second best coach in program history. I can understand maybe wanting a change, been an underwhelming few seasons after those top 25 level teams 4-5 years ago. But not if you don't have an exciting option in the wings, especially given the aforementioned challenges and failings since he became GM.
Honestly I never quite understood how Woj was going to get more NIL for St. Bonnies. The entire model never made much sense to me.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 31, 2026, 12:49:39 PMThey might. But for now it's 1 of those 3. And Donovan is apparently more of a candidate than some may think.
Well, UNC hired a 106-year-old football coach who had never coached in college. So I guess I'm not surprised they're interested in a 61-year-old guy going through the motions in the NBA who hasn't coached in college for more than a decade - when the landscape was nothing like it is now.
I'd be more surprised if Donovan actually were interested in getting back into the rat race at this stage, but then again Thad Matta was ...
And I'd be REALLY surprised if Lloyd or May left pat situations.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 31, 2026, 10:40:33 AMMy understanding is the UNC list is:
1) Lloyd
2) May
3) Donovan
My guess is it's one of the first two, probably Lloyd. The fact that there's so little talk around the biggest open job leads me to believe Carolina already knows they've got their man. Think about Kentucky when it opened, we knew everyone who was turning them down.
Seems like the reason we aren't hearing that is because the coach they're getting is still coaching.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 31, 2026, 01:49:08 PMMy guess is it's one of the first two, probably Lloyd. The fact that there's so little talk around the biggest open job leads me to believe Carolina already knows they've got their man. Think about Kentucky when it opened, we knew everyone who was turning them down.
Seems like the reason we aren't hearing that is because the coach they're getting is still coaching.
$$$ being equal, I wouldn't leave what Lloyd has going at Arizona for UNC ... but if he's the choice, we don't know what would be part of the deal. Gotta say I'd still be a little surprised, but not shocked or anything.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 01:57:07 PM$$$ being equal, I wouldn't leave what Lloyd has going at Arizona for UNC ... but if he's the choice, we don't know what would be part of the deal. Gotta say I'd still be a little surprised, but not shocked or anything.
Lloyd might do it if UNC will leave the ACC and head to the Big Whatever.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 01:57:07 PM$$$ being equal, I wouldn't leave what Lloyd has going at Arizona for UNC ... but if he's the choice, we don't know what would be part of the deal. Gotta say I'd still be a little surprised, but not shocked or anything.
It could be one of the top 2 is unhappy for some unknown reason at their current position, even as they have great success. As outsiders, we don't really know the inner workings of the athletic departments. Michigan, in particular, has been messy the last few years.
I'd also say, being the first outside the Carolina family in 70+ years and establishing your own lineage has to be appealing. While you can win just as easily elsewhere, these guys may still see it as special and have the egos to be the next legend in Tar Heel blue.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2026, 01:59:32 PMLloyd might do it if UNC will leave the ACC and head to the Big Whatever.
I think that makes the Carolina gig way less attractive.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 01:26:42 PMWell, UNC hired a 106-year-old football coach who had never coached in college. So I guess I'm not surprised they're interested in a 61-year-old guy going through the motions in the NBA who hasn't coached in college for more than a decade - when the landscape was nothing like it is now.
I'd be more surprised if Donovan actually were interested in getting back into the rat race at this stage, but then again Thad Matta was ...
And I'd be REALLY surprised if Lloyd or May left pat situations.
If I'm UNC, I would have no qualms about bringing in Donovan despite his time away from the college game. Historically speaking, guys who went from college to the pros then back to college have done pretty well upon their return (thinking Pitino, Hoiberg, Calipari, Kruger, Larry Brown, even Leonard Hamilton). And Donovan doesn't seem like a guy who would struggle with the new dynamics of college sports. He's not some crotchety old-school guy.
People would be glazing UNC if they pulled Brad Stevens out of Boston, even though he's been away from the college game longer than Donovan and out of coaching entirely for five.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 02:06:05 PMIf I'm UNC, I would have no qualms about bringing in Donovan despite his time away from the college game. Historically speaking, guys who went from college to the pros then back to college have done pretty well upon their return (thinking Pitino, Hoiberg, Calipari, Kruger, Larry Brown, even Leonard Hamilton). And Donovan doesn't seem like a guy who would struggle with the new dynamics of college sports. He's not some crotchety old-school guy.
People would be glazing UNC if they pulled Brad Stevens out of Boston, even though he's been away from the college game longer than Donovan and out of coaching entirely for five.
I'd also trust Donovan to put together a top notch staff more so than Belichick. I'd bet he'd have his pick of assistants.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2026, 01:59:32 PMLloyd might do it if UNC will leave the ACC and head to the Big Whatever.
I would be very surprised if he left Arizona.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 01:57:07 PM$$$ being equal, I wouldn't leave what Lloyd has going at Arizona for UNC ... but if he's the choice, we don't know what would be part of the deal. Gotta say I'd still be a little surprised, but not shocked or anything.
Maybe it's Dusty. But if it's not one of those two, we'd probably have some indicators by now. There would be extensions announced or bold statements. Instead, Tommy Lloyd talked about how Arizona had good coaches before him and will have good coaches after him.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 02:06:05 PMIf I'm UNC, I would have no qualms about bringing in Donovan despite his time away from the college game. Historically speaking, guys who went from college to the pros then back to college have done pretty well upon their return (thinking Pitino, Hoiberg, Calipari, Kruger, Larry Brown, even Leonard Hamilton). And Donovan doesn't seem like a guy who would struggle with the new dynamics of college sports. He's not some crotchety old-school guy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 31, 2026, 02:07:26 PMI'd also trust Donovan to put together a top notch staff more so than Belichick. I'd bet he'd have his pick of assistants.
All of this is reasonable.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 31, 2026, 01:49:08 PMMy guess is it's one of the first two, probably Lloyd. The fact that there's so little talk around the biggest open job leads me to believe Carolina already knows they've got their man. Think about Kentucky when it opened, we knew everyone who was turning them down.
Seems like the reason we aren't hearing that is because the coach they're getting is still coaching.
At the very least it seems to be a clear top 3.
After that it gets interesting as they might skip over Oates and Golden and go to McCasland. I would think Kansas would be more of a fit for McCollum. Even though some say extensions don't matter, I don't see Byington signing one and going there a few weeks later.
But it doesn't seem like it is going to get past the first 3.
If it is Lloyd, the Arizona AD is the same one that hired TJO at UNLV. That may or may not matter.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 31, 2026, 02:41:09 PMAt the very least it seems to be a clear top 3.
After that it gets interesting as they might skip over Oates and Golden and go to McCasland. I would think Kansas would be more of a fit for McCollum. Even though some say extensions don't matter, I don't see Byington signing one and going there a few weeks later.
But it doesn't seem like it is going to get past the first 3.
If it is Lloyd, the Arizona AD is the same one that hired TJO at UNLV. That may or may not matter.
Good catch! I would think TJO would need to ask Matt Campbell to recommend an Ames area realtor if Arizona came open. That's an elite job.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 31, 2026, 03:00:25 PMGood catch! I would think TJO would need to ask Matt Campbell to recommend an Ames area realtor if Arizona came open. That's an elite job.
TJO is waiting for the Marquette job to open
Assistant Coach job posting on the Marquette site.
I'd imagine that means Nevada landed the Siena job.
If it ends up being Lloyd to UNC, what a crazy 5 year career trajectory change. Spends his entire life/career in southern/southeastern Washington (outside of an outlier year playing at CSU-Pueblo). Spends his entire 20 year coaching career as an assistant to Few at Gonzaga. Slated as the coach in waiting in Spokane. Start of 2021 seems like he'd be a Gonzaga lifer as long as he was successful. Then 5 years later, left Spokane, makes 3 S16s, a Final Four, and potentially taking one of the 5 most historically prestigious jobs in the sport. Wild
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 02:06:05 PMIf I'm UNC, I would have no qualms about bringing in Donovan despite his time away from the college game. Historically speaking, guys who went from college to the pros then back to college have done pretty well upon their return (thinking Pitino, Hoiberg, Calipari, Kruger, Larry Brown, even Leonard Hamilton). And Donovan doesn't seem like a guy who would struggle with the new dynamics of college sports. He's not some crotchety old-school guy.
People would be glazing UNC if they pulled Brad Stevens out of Boston, even though he's been away from the college game longer than Donovan and out of coaching entirely for five.
Yup. And even if Donovan knew he wanted to leave for UNC and had their offer on the table, I'd assume he'd still finish out the NBA season. So they could be waiting on any of Lloyd, May, or Donovan.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2026, 04:25:05 PMYup. And even if Donovan knew he wanted to leave for UNC and had their offer on the table, I'd assume he'd still finish out the NBA season. So they could be waiting on any of Lloyd, May, or Donovan.
Why? Bulls aren't playing for anything.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 31, 2026, 04:36:06 PMWhy? Bulls aren't playing for anything.
There are paychecks to collect. And you don't burn bridges.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 31, 2026, 04:36:06 PMWhy? Bulls aren't playing for anything.
Well for one, he's under contract, having just been extended last summer. He can't exactly walk away. Nor would the Bulls likely allow him to walk away without some kind of buyout.
Quote from: Tarragona on March 31, 2026, 02:41:09 PMAt the very least it seems to be a clear top 3.
After that it gets interesting as they might skip over Oates and Golden and go to McCasland. I would think Kansas would be more of a fit for McCollum. Even though some say extensions don't matter, I don't see Byington signing one and going there a few weeks later.
But it doesn't seem like it is going to get past the first 3.
If it is Lloyd, the Arizona AD is the same one that hired TJO at UNLV. That may or may not matter.
Just to follow up regarding Byington. He just hired the Associate HC at Ohio State (formerly 7 years with Calipari at Kentucky, both are UNCW alums) Joel Justus. This is after recently signing a lucrative extension. They have very good 8 figure roster money. It doesn't sound like someone that is going anywhere.
The new or recent Vandy has athletics money besides other money. They decided to go for it in Athletics with the current Chancellor and AD. $700 million worth of Athletics facility projects alone. (football, baseball, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, golf, tennis) They added a sport (Volleyball), and they have a $50 million campaign for Women's sports only.
They just opened the 3 story Huber Center Basketball building, 90,000 square feet.
https://vucommodores.com/hubercenter/
Quote from: Tarragona on March 31, 2026, 05:45:01 PMJust to follow up regarding Byington. He just hired the Associate HC at Ohio State (formerly 7 years with Calipari at Kentucky, both are UNCW alums) Joel Justus. This is after recently signing a lucrative extension. They have very good 8 figure roster money. It doesn't sound like someone that is going anywhere.
The new or recent Vandy has athletics money besides other money. They decided to go for it in Athletics with the current Chancellor and AD. $700 million worth of Athletics facility projects alone. (football, baseball, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, golf, tennis) They added a sport (Volleyball), and they have a $50 million campaign for Women's sports only.
They just opened the 3 story Huber Center Basketball building, 90,000 square feet.
https://vucommodores.com/hubercenter/
Justus will have an inside track on the gig when Byington leaves in the next year or so
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 01:26:42 PMWell, UNC hired a 106-year-old football coach who had never coached in college. So I guess I'm not surprised they're interested in a 61-year-old guy going through the motions in the NBA who hasn't coached in college for more than a decade - when the landscape was nothing like it is now.
I'd be more surprised if Donovan actually were interested in getting back into the rat race at this stage, but then again Thad Matta was ...
And I'd be REALLY surprised if Lloyd or May left pat situations.
Ya...I'd be absolutely shocked if Lloyd left Zona. Dusty May? I honestly don't know.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2026, 06:18:42 PMYa...I'd be absolutely shocked if Lloyd left Zona. Dusty May? I honestly don't know.
Unless he just doesn't like it there, all things being equal, Michigan is the better job.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 06:27:00 PMUnless he just doesn't like it there, all things being equal, Michigan is the better job.
Personally, I'd prefer to live in North Carolina.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 04:46:09 PMWell for one, he's under contract, having just been extended last summer. He can't exactly walk away. Nor would the Bulls likely allow him to walk away without some kind of buyout.
I believe that is all true, but it would not surprise me if the buyout was less than any other canidate.
Also, unless I missed it (very possible), the Bulls didn't announce any of the terms of the extension, but the prevailing thought is he and AK are under contract only one or two more years.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 06:27:00 PMUnless he just doesn't like it there, all things being equal, Michigan is the better job.
BIG aside, why is UM the better job?
Quote from: Viper on March 31, 2026, 08:34:59 PMBIG aside, why is UM the better job?
I mean its a better job than Arizona, but I think it might be a better job than UNC as well. And you can't just say "BIG aside." The money that Big Ten schools get makes it easier to be more competitive. There is a reason the conference has won three straight football titles (with three different schools), and has half the Final Four and half the Frozen Four. Money matters.
Outside of tradition, what exactly does UNC have that Michigan doesn't? And it's not as though Michigan is without basketball tradition either.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 07:56:34 AMI mean its a better job than Arizona, but I think it might be a better job than UNC as well. And you can't just say "BIG aside." The money that Big Ten schools get makes it easier to be more competitive. There is a reason the conference has won three straight football titles (with three different schools), and has half the Final Four and half the Frozen Four. Money matters.
Outside of tradition, what exactly does UNC have that Michigan doesn't? And it's not as though Michigan is without basketball tradition either.
Outside of tradition doesn't seem all that different than "outside of BIG." Tradition isn't just some abstract concept. It translates into institutional support. UNC cares about basketball way more than, say, Clemson, and that means the university and athletic department is going to direct more resources to it. Basketball will always play second fiddle at Michigan, and is probably closer to the hockey program in terms of importance to the university community than it is the football program.
This doesn't mean that tradition guarantees success or that lack of tradition prevents it. But the same can be said for money.
As for UNC vs Michigan, a fair argument can be made either way, I suppose. But one thing UNC has that Michigan doesn't is being the flagship program for Jordan Brand. Michigan also has a huge deal with Nike, so I'm not sure there's much, if any, difference in $$, but UNC gets tons of exposure through JB's socials and other media presence.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2026, 09:37:46 AMOutside of tradition doesn't seem all that different than "outside of BIG." Tradition isn't just some abstract concept. It translates into institutional support. UNC cares about basketball way more than, say, Clemson, and that means the university and athletic department is going to direct more resources to it. Basketball will always play second fiddle at Michigan, and is probably closer to the hockey program in terms of importance to the university community than it is the football program.
This doesn't mean that tradition guarantees success or that lack of tradition prevents it. But the same can be said for money.
As for UNC vs Michigan, a fair argument can be made either way, I suppose. But one thing UNC has that Michigan doesn't is being the flagship program for Jordan Brand. Michigan also has a huge deal with Nike, so I'm not sure there's much, if any, difference in $$, but UNC gets tons of exposure through JB's socials and other media presence.
Nobody has more money than Michigan
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 01, 2026, 09:43:17 AMNobody has more money than Michigan
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/19/cnbc-official-college-sports-valuations-2025-top-75-athletic-programs.html
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2026, 09:47:59 AMhttps://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/19/cnbc-official-college-sports-valuations-2025-top-75-athletic-programs.html
Yay! Made up nonsense!
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 01, 2026, 09:52:09 AMYay! Made up nonsense!
Feel free to point out the errors!
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2026, 09:37:46 AMOutside of tradition doesn't seem all that different than "outside of BIG." Tradition isn't just some abstract concept. It translates into institutional support. UNC cares about basketball way more than, say, Clemson, and that means the university and athletic department is going to direct more resources to it. Basketball will always play second fiddle at Michigan, and is probably closer to the hockey program in terms of importance to the university community than it is the football program.
This doesn't mean that tradition guarantees success or that lack of tradition prevents it. But the same can be said for money.
Is there any evidence that basketball plays "second fiddle" to football in any meaningful way? It seems like there are plenty of resources available to the basketball program and that fans care quite a bit about basketball.
A fanbase can care about two different sports. Even three different sports! As long as the resources are there, why does it matter?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 07:56:34 AMI mean its a better job than Arizona, but I think it might be a better job than UNC as well. And you can't just say "BIG aside." The money that Big Ten schools get makes it easier to be more competitive. There is a reason the conference has won three straight football titles (with three different schools), and has half the Final Four and half the Frozen Four. Money matters.
Outside of tradition, what exactly does UNC have that Michigan doesn't? And it's not as though Michigan is without basketball tradition either.
Basketball will always be first. It will never be first at Michigan. There's also a double edged sword to the Big 10 of it all. In the ACC, a quality UNC program will really only have 1-2 other teams that might be on their level. In the Big 10, you could have a great team and still be fifth or sixth in the league. (See sixth place Purdue this year)
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 10:00:01 AMIs there any evidence that basketball plays "second fiddle" to football in any meaningful way? It seems like there are plenty of resources available to the basketball program and that fans care quite a bit about basketball.
What are you considering "meaningful" here?
We can start with financial support. Michigan directs about 75% of its revenue-sharing funds to football, with the rest divided among other sports (though presumably a majority of the rest going to hoops).
Football sells out a 107,000-seat stadium - with attendance usually above capacity - while basketball doesn't sell out every game in a 12,700-seat arena.
They just gave Kyle Whittingham $8.2 million to coach the football team. Dusty May makes $5.1 million.
Are these things meaningful?
QuoteA fanbase can care about two different sports. Even three different sports! As long as the resources are there, why does it matter?
I didn't say anything contrary to this.
Saying Chicago is a Bears town doesn't mean people don't care about the Cubs.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2026, 10:17:07 AMBasketball will always be first. It will never be first at Michigan.
Why does that matter though?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 10:24:35 AMWhy does that matter though?
For some individuals, it won't. For others, it will and may be a big deal. If you want to be the BMOC, you can't do that if your job isn't perceived as the most important one on campus. Plenty of coaches seem to relish not being in that limelight while others need it. But acting like it's inconsequential is a bit silly, IMO.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2026, 10:17:07 AMBasketball will always be first. It will never be first at Michigan. There's also a double edged sword to the Big 10 of it all. In the ACC, a quality UNC program will really only have 1-2 other teams that might be on their level. In the Big 10, you could have a great team and still be fifth or sixth in the league. (See sixth place Purdue this year)
That sixth place team was still able to earn a 2 seed.
It is an interesting discussion. Time changes all. Based on titles, UCLA is the greatest program. Based on dominance over consecutive years, again it is easily UCLA. Ten titles over twelve years. Duke and UNC were the great beneficiaries of ESPN and Vitale. UConn is actually the best program over the last 15 years. The new portal era and paid players again changes all. I do not see UNC or Duke as having any great advantage over Michigan or Arizona but I'm not sure how Lloyd or May sees it. The ACC is a shaky conference.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2026, 10:21:35 AMWhat are you considering "meaningful" here?
We can start with financial support. Michigan directs about 75% of its revenue-sharing funds to football, with the rest divided among other sports (though presumably a majority of the rest going to hoops).
Football sells out a 107,000-seat stadium - with attendance usually above capacity - while basketball doesn't sell out every game in a 12,700-seat arena.
They just gave Kyle Whittingham $8.2 million to coach the football team. Dusty May makes $5.1 million.
Are these things meaningful?
I didn't say anything contrary to this.
Saying Chicago is a Bears town doesn't mean people don't care about the Cubs.
Of course more NIL is going toward football. There are more football players than basketball players. "Meaningful" means they have the resources to attract and retain a quality team - which they clearly do right.
Furthermore, do you think that if Michigan didn't care about football that Dusty May would be making $8 million? BB is making $10 million a year coaching football at UNC. Zero chance that Lloyd or May make more than that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2026, 10:27:54 AMFor some individuals, it won't. For others, it will and may be a big deal. If you want to be the BMOC, you can't do that if your job isn't perceived as the most important one on campus. Plenty of coaches seem to relish not being in that limelight while others need it. But acting like it's inconsequential is a bit silly, IMO.
But being viewed as the BMOC is completely logical? Give me a break.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2026, 10:28:08 AMThat sixth place team was still able to earn a 2 seed.
Sure, but teams 2-5 earned lower seeds. Iowa was top-25 in kenpom but given a 9-seed. If you use kenpom as the primary quality metric, only Wisconsin was seeded ahead of their ranking (5-seed at #22). In the ACC, 5/8 teams were seeded higher than their metric rank.
It depends on what you want, but it's a lot easier to get lost in the shuffle of a league like the B10.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 10:31:30 AMBut being viewed as the BMOC is completely logical? Give me a break.
So you don't think human ego exists? More notably, you don't believe it exists among people who are the highest achieving in their field? Give me a break.
Nevada to Siena
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2026, 10:34:35 AMSo you don't think human ego exists? More notably, you don't believe it exists among people who are the highest achieving in their field? Give me a break.
It's entirely possible UNC isn't in the ACC in the very near future
Quote from: onepost on April 01, 2026, 10:36:00 AMNevada to Siena
How does he feel about the station of Michigan's vs UNC's basketball program within the university?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 01, 2026, 10:34:35 AMSo you don't think human ego exists? More notably, you don't believe it exists among people who are the highest achieving in their field? Give me a break.
I think it is pretty far down on the lists of priorities for most people.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 10:30:21 AMOf course more NIL is going toward football. There are more football players than basketball players. "Meaningful" means they have the resources to attract and retain a quality team - which they clearly do right.
Furthermore, do you think that if Michigan didn't care about football that Dusty May would be making $8 million? BB is making $10 million a year coaching football at UNC. Zero chance that Lloyd or May make more than that.
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Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2026, 10:52:35 AM(https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-18-2023/q2wBwF.gif)
Nope. I'm responding directly to your (very poorly thought out) points.
former MU assistant Kyle Green is the new HC at Northern Iowa:
https://hoopdirt.com/green-named-head-basketball-coach-at-northern-iowa/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2026, 11:20:00 AMformer MU assistant Kyle Green is the new HC at Northern Iowa:
https://hoopdirt.com/green-named-head-basketball-coach-at-northern-iowa/
Looks like a good hire for them. Lots of experience both at UNI and under some good coaches.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2026, 11:35:52 AMLooks like a good hire for them. Lots of experience both at UNI and under some good coaches.
Ugh, a Crean assistant. Crean ruined Marquette.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 01, 2026, 11:59:56 AMUgh, a Crean assistant. Crean ruined Marquette.
The year he was here, MU went to the NIT. Is it going to be UNI-T?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2026, 12:10:38 PMThe year he was here, MU went to the NIT. Is it going to be UNI-T?
That's probably the best they could hope for. And he'll be going up against the "NIT Prince", Brian Wardle. Good luck to Panther fans
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/charlotte/news/2026/03/31/tv-deals-and-nil-era-leave-acc-behind
only posting because CJ is a friend and damn, this is a blistering statement on the way out!
https://x.com/CoachAndrzejek/status/2039407127421141168?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2026, 01:27:23 PMonly posting because CJ is a friend and damn, this is a blistering statement on the way out!
https://x.com/CoachAndrzejek/status/2039407127421141168?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
LOL...he was there one year.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2026/04/01/louisville-basketball-staff-pat-kelsey-john-andrzejek-campbell-associate-head-coach-uofl-cardinals/89291869007/
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 01:43:45 PMLOL...he was there one year.
Some guys are excited to get an HC job. He said their collective only had money for three recruits, and he had to rebuild the entire roster. It's not uncommon for these low-major school to promise candidates and not deliver when the guy is hired.
Super smart guy - he graduated from Columbia in 5 semesters while serving as the basketball manager.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2026, 01:47:43 PMSome guys are excited to get an HC job. He said their collective only had money for three recruits, and he had to rebuild the entire roster. It's not uncommon for these low-major school to promise candidates and not deliver when the guy is hired.
Super smart guy - he graduated from Columbia in 5 semesters while serving as the basketball manager.
I don't care that he's leaving, just that the entire quote makes himself sound like he is a long-term legend or something.
I like that his Wikipedia pic somehow looks like it's a screenshot from NCAA2K
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Andrzejek
Quote from: JWags85 on April 01, 2026, 02:34:56 PMI like that his Wikipedia pic somehow looks like it's a screenshot from NCAA2K
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Andrzejek
Roll Humps is a pretty iconic sign-off too.
Self is not retiring........" nenewed clarity and ongoing support" .........
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2039470223804563823?s=61
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 10:45:09 AMI think it is pretty far down on the lists of priorities for most people.
I think a few years ago it was somewhat relevant. Now I think Fat Wallet on Campus is more enticing (and more legal).
Quote from: MuMark on April 01, 2026, 05:43:22 PMSelf is not retiring........" nenewed clarity and ongoing support" .........
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2039470223804563823?s=61
I predict he steps down midway through next season.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2026, 07:56:34 AMI mean its a better job than Arizona, but I think it might be a better job than UNC as well. And you can't just say "BIG aside." The money that Big Ten schools get makes it easier to be more competitive. There is a reason the conference has won three straight football titles (with three different schools), and has half the Final Four and half the Frozen Four. Money matters.
Outside of tradition, what exactly does UNC have that Michigan doesn't? And it's not as though Michigan is without basketball tradition either.
My Duke grad boss said he's worried if UNC gets this hire 'right', the tide shifts significantly. Certainly NIL diminishes any programs past success (players forgoing pedigree for dollars). However, Davis recruited title talent, just didn't coach it up. Does anyone compares ACC football to the BIG or SEC? Hockey? On the college level still rather regional, somewhat niche. The BIG definitely has the tv $ at this point...stronger conference overall...absolutely. I read that a new arena is a distinct possibility in Chapel Hill, with an infusion of $ in facilities. Hence, facilities are a non issue. If May leaves Michigan for UNC after the F4, I won't be surprised. A couple UM alums I know worry that call will be made. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't see a current college basketball HC job more prestigious than the UNC job...akin to Notre Dame football, imo (and I really dislike ND football!)
Quote from: Viper on April 01, 2026, 09:06:40 PMMy Duke grad boss said he's worried if UNC gets this hire 'right', the tide shifts significantly. Certainly NIL diminishes any programs past success (players forgoing pedigree for dollars). However, Davis recruited title talent, just didn't coach it up. Does anyone compares ACC football to the BIG or SEC? Hockey? On the college level still rather regional, somewhat niche. The BIG definitely has the tv $ at this point...stronger conference overall...absolutely. I read that a new arena is a distinct possibility in Chapel Hill, with an infusion of $ in facilities. Hence, facilities are a non issue. If May leaves Michigan for UNC after the F4, I won't be surprised. A couple UM alums I know worry that call will be made. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't see a current college basketball HC job more prestigious than the UNC job...akin to Notre Dame football, imo (and I really dislike ND football!)
I think Kansas is the one I might put above it, just because they pretty much never get coaching hires wrong. They've hired three coaches in the last 43 years and all of them are in the Hall of Fame.
Quote from: Viper on April 01, 2026, 09:06:40 PMMy Duke grad boss said he's worried if UNC gets this hire 'right', the tide shifts significantly. Certainly NIL diminishes any programs past success (players forgoing pedigree for dollars). However, Davis recruited title talent, just didn't coach it up. Does anyone compares ACC football to the BIG or SEC? Hockey? On the college level still rather regional, somewhat niche. The BIG definitely has the tv $ at this point...stronger conference overall...absolutely. I read that a new arena is a distinct possibility in Chapel Hill, with an infusion of $ in facilities. Hence, facilities are a non issue. If May leaves Michigan for UNC after the F4, I won't be surprised. A couple UM alums I know worry that call will be made. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't see a current college basketball HC job more prestigious than the UNC job...akin to Notre Dame football, imo (and I really dislike ND football!)
Why would the tide change significantly? Duke won a ton when UNC was fully operational and Davis had success against Duke. Your Duke grad boss is a moron.
Quote from: Viper on April 01, 2026, 09:06:40 PMMy Duke grad boss said he's worried if UNC gets this hire 'right', the tide shifts significantly. Certainly NIL diminishes any programs past success (players forgoing pedigree for dollars). However, Davis recruited title talent, just didn't coach it up. Does anyone compares ACC football to the BIG or SEC? Hockey? On the college level still rather regional, somewhat niche. The BIG definitely has the tv $ at this point...stronger conference overall...absolutely. I read that a new arena is a distinct possibility in Chapel Hill, with an infusion of $ in facilities. Hence, facilities are a non issue. If May leaves Michigan for UNC after the F4, I won't be surprised. A couple UM alums I know worry that call will be made. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't see a current college basketball HC job more prestigious than the UNC job...akin to Notre Dame football, imo (and I really dislike ND football!)
You deserve to have a Duke grad for a boss.
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2026, 12:40:53 PMThere are lots of people who would argue that UConn isn't a "blueblood," even though they've won 5 titles since 1999, but that UCLA and Indiana are because of what they were under Wooden and Knight.
Anyhoo, I'll just stick with my belief that, money being equal, there is absolutely no reason for May or Lloyd to leave Michigan or Arizona for UNC or any other alleged blueblood.
It's 6 since 1999 (if you include 1999). 99, 04, 11, 14, 22 and 23. Tied with UNC for third most. Only schools with more are UCLA (11-1995 was last one) and Kentucky (8-2012). That's blue-bloody to me.
Quote from: Viper on April 01, 2026, 09:06:40 PMMy Duke grad boss said he's worried if UNC gets this hire 'right', the tide shifts significantly. Certainly NIL diminishes any programs past success (players forgoing pedigree for dollars). However, Davis recruited title talent, just didn't coach it up. Does anyone compares ACC football to the BIG or SEC? Hockey? On the college level still rather regional, somewhat niche. The BIG definitely has the tv $ at this point...stronger conference overall...absolutely. I read that a new arena is a distinct possibility in Chapel Hill, with an infusion of $ in facilities. Hence, facilities are a non issue. If May leaves Michigan for UNC after the F4, I won't be surprised. A couple UM alums I know worry that call will be made. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't see a current college basketball HC job more prestigious than the UNC job...akin to Notre Dame football, imo (and I really dislike ND football!)
And plenty of people have turned Notre Dame down in the past too. Again, tradition isn't everything and is increasingly less important.
Quote from: Viper on April 01, 2026, 09:06:40 PMMy Duke grad boss said he's worried if UNC gets this hire 'right', the tide shifts significantly. Certainly NIL diminishes any programs past success (players forgoing pedigree for dollars). However, Davis recruited title talent, just didn't coach it up. Does anyone compares ACC football to the BIG or SEC? Hockey? On the college level still rather regional, somewhat niche. The BIG definitely has the tv $ at this point...stronger conference overall...absolutely. I read that a new arena is a distinct possibility in Chapel Hill, with an infusion of $ in facilities. Hence, facilities are a non issue. If May leaves Michigan for UNC after the F4, I won't be surprised. A couple UM alums I know worry that call will be made. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I don't see a current college basketball HC job more prestigious than the UNC job...akin to Notre Dame football, imo (and I really dislike ND football!)
Duke grad boss, knowing multiple Michigan alums. You drink a lot, don't you?
The arena issue in Chapel Hill is a controversial one. Three options - renovate the Dean Dome, on-campus arena, or quasi-off-campus arena.
https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2026/03/04/unc-smith-center-arena-decision-carolina-north-odum-village-renovation
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 02, 2026, 07:56:45 AMIt's 6 since 1999 (if you include 1999). 99, 04, 11, 14, 22 and 23. Tied with UNC for third most. Only schools with more are UCLA (11-1995 was last one) and Kentucky (8-2012). That's blue-bloody to me.
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2026, 06:06:51 AMWhy would the tide change significantly? Duke won a ton when UNC was fully operational and Davis had success against Duke. Your Duke grad boss is a moron.
his incredible self-made career success says he's not. Thx.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 02, 2026, 06:38:38 AMYou deserve to have a Duke grad for a boss.
I appreciate your sarcasm. However, awesome dude...even if his Lake Minnetonka crib is the ultimate in mine-is-bigger-than-yours! I got hired more on potential...working within his organization absolutely changed my fortunes...and keeps me around despite my Duke basketball dislike! (not to RED level dislike, but close)
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 08:05:45 AMAnd plenty of people have turned Notre Dame down in the past too. Again, tradition isn't everything and is increasingly less important.
absolutely
Quote from: Viper on April 02, 2026, 09:56:42 AMhis incredible self-made career success says he's not. Thx.
A lot of "self-made success stories" are morons about a lot of stuff
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 02, 2026, 07:56:45 AMIt's 6 since 1999 (if you include 1999). 99, 04, 11, 14, 22 and 23. Tied with UNC for third most. Only schools with more are UCLA (11-1995 was last one) and Kentucky (8-2012). That's blue-bloody to me.
Another Scooper beat you to this, and I already thanked him for the correction.
Not a very good non-denial denial.
https://x.com/AdamZagoria/status/2039788413595844681?s=20
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2039800124617191866?s=46
....and word is Donovan is going to meet with Bull's leadership after the season. Hmmm, what will they discuss with the coach under contract?
Lots of smoke everywhere.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 02, 2026, 05:00:29 PM....and word is Donovan is going to meet with Bull's leadership after the season. Hmmm, what will they discuss with the coach under contract?
Lots of smoke everywhere.
After the season? That means zero smoke for a college job.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 05:02:37 PMAfter the season? That means zero smoke for a college job.
The portal window opens April 7.
The Bulls season ends April 12.
If Billy wants the UNC gig, he won't want to wait until after the NBA season to leave.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2026, 05:16:31 PMThe portal window opens April 7.
The Bulls season ends April 12.
If Billy wants the UNC gig, he won't want to wait until after the NBA season to leave.
Good point. Waiting until after the portal opens puts him behind the 8-ball.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 02, 2026, 06:10:27 PM#FakeNews #Lies
Changes to the transfer windows in several sports were approved by the NCAA's Division I cabinet Wednesday, most notably shortening and moving back those in men's and women's basketball to the day after the national championship games.
The transfer windows in basketball will now open for a 15-day period the day after each sport's championship game.
The changes are effective immediately, meaning this spring the basketball window will be open April 7-21 for men and April 6-20 for women.https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/47612584/ncaa-division-cabinet-approves-new-transfer-windows-men-women-basketball-other-sports
Announcement from the NCAA:
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/1/14/media-center-division-i-cabinet-adopts-new-transfer-windows-in-several-sports.aspx
As always, you're welcome to share contrary evidence. For some reason, you never do.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2026, 06:23:54 PMChanges to the transfer windows in several sports were approved by the NCAA's Division I cabinet Wednesday, most notably shortening and moving back those in men's and women's basketball to the day after the national championship games.
The transfer windows in basketball will now open for a 15-day period the day after each sport's championship game.
The changes are effective immediately, meaning this spring the basketball window will be open April 7-21 for men and April 6-20 for women.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/47612584/ncaa-division-cabinet-approves-new-transfer-windows-men-women-basketball-other-sports
Announcement from the NCAA:
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/1/14/media-center-division-i-cabinet-adopts-new-transfer-windows-in-several-sports.aspx
As always, you're welcome to share contrary evidence. For some reason, you never do.
Both links are inaccurate.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2026, 06:23:54 PMChanges to the transfer windows in several sports were approved by the NCAA's Division I cabinet Wednesday, most notably shortening and moving back those in men's and women's basketball to the day after the national championship games.
The transfer windows in basketball will now open for a 15-day period the day after each sport's championship game.
The changes are effective immediately, meaning this spring the basketball window will be open April 7-21 for men and April 6-20 for women.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/47612584/ncaa-division-cabinet-approves-new-transfer-windows-men-women-basketball-other-sports
Announcement from the NCAA:
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2026/1/14/media-center-division-i-cabinet-adopts-new-transfer-windows-in-several-sports.aspx
As always, you're welcome to share contrary evidence. For some reason, you never do.
Thanks, Pak. Glad to have this information.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 02, 2026, 06:48:05 PMBoth links are inaccurate.
The NCAA's offical statement about what dates the NCAA established for the NCAA portal window is inaccurate?
Got it.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2026, 07:28:15 PMThe NCAA's offical statement about what dates the NCAA established for the NCAA portal window is inaccurate?
Got it.
Lol, that's not their official statement. That's some low-level dimwit trying to explain something much more complex. Do you ever see 'official statements' from Marquette that are wildly wrong? It's quite common, dumbo.
You really think there's a transfer period that begins April 7 and ends April 21? Lol. Idiot.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67772.0
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 02, 2026, 07:29:58 PMLol, that's not their official statement. That's some low-level dimwit trying to explain something much more complex. Do you ever see 'official statements' from Marquette that are wildly wrong? It's quite common, dumbo.
You really think there's a transfer period that begins April 7 and ends April 21? Lol. Idiot.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67772.0
https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-passes-blind-transfer-legislation-for-division-i/
https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-passes-blind-transfer-legislation-for-division-i/
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2026, 08:29:32 PMhttps://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-passes-blind-transfer-legislation-for-division-i/
https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-passes-blind-transfer-legislation-for-division-i/
Yes, I'm familiar. Hasn't been much an issue - some rate football obes here and there.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 02, 2026, 07:29:58 PMLol, that's not their official statement. That's some low-level dimwit trying to explain something much more complex. Do you ever see 'official statements' from Marquette that are wildly wrong? It's quite common, dumbo.
You really think there's a transfer period that begins April 7 and ends April 21? Lol. Idiot.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67772.0
That's when kids can enter the portal (unless they're grad transfers, they can enter now). Obviously recruiting is going to continue well after the 21st.
So Bill Self committed to next season ... but not beyond. I wonder how much that will affect KU's recruiting and player retention (if it affects it at all).
Quote from: Viper on April 02, 2026, 09:56:42 AMhis incredible self-made career success says he's not. Thx.
Good to hear you don't work for Rocket and are allowed haircuts to your hearts content
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2026, 09:04:16 PMSo Bill Self committed to next season ... but not beyond. I wonder how much that will affect KU's recruiting and player retention (if it affects it at all).
They're all on one-year deals; it probably won't matter. My hunch is amounts will increase to try and get Self a title in his (unofficial) farewell season.
% chance Self leaves before next season is complete? Not tiny
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 03, 2026, 08:31:00 AM% chance Self leaves before next season is complete? Not tiny
I mean, not having to coach through another season of Darryn Peterson probably lowers the percentage a bit, and is part of the reason he isn't flat out retiring.
When you have the career that Self has had and you have a top 3 most talented player in you career that is a total and utter head case (among all the other moving parts and challenges in the new NIL world when you're a program like KU), I can understand it pushing you to tap out, especially since he was very likely considering it even before it all. I wouldn't be shocked if he had that age 65 number in his head to hang it up and DP pushed him to debate moving it up a year
Dusty May, please approach the courtesy telephone...
https://x.com/petethamel/status/2040116562326159778?s=46 (https://x.com/petethamel/status/2040116562326159778?s=46)
Quote from: JWags85 on April 03, 2026, 12:48:21 PMDusty May, please approach the courtesy telephone...
https://x.com/petethamel/status/2040116562326159778?s=46 (https://x.com/petethamel/status/2040116562326159778?s=46)
When Carolina hires Jerry Stackhouse, I wonder how he'll be accepted
A major condition in the LLoyd extension, is he now reports directly to their school President instead of their AD:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/tommy-lloyd-staying-at-arizona-wildcats-coach-turning-down-massive-offer-from-north-carolina/
Quote from: JWags85 on April 03, 2026, 12:48:21 PMDusty May, please approach the courtesy telephone...
https://x.com/petethamel/status/2040116562326159778?s=46 (https://x.com/petethamel/status/2040116562326159778?s=46)
Yup. As expected, Lloyd is staying after using the UNC opening to get what he wanted from Arizona.
I'll be surprised if May doesn't do similar.
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2026, 03:18:31 PMYup. As expected, Lloyd is staying after using the UNC opening to get what he wanted from Arizona.
I'll be surprised if May doesn't do similar.
What has happened to the Vegas odds on Donovan?
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2026, 03:18:31 PMYup. As expected, Lloyd is staying after using the UNC opening to get what he wanted from Arizona.
I'll be surprised if May doesn't do similar.
I'd be surprised but not stunned. Lloyd bolting would have been shocking.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 03, 2026, 04:54:04 PMWhat has happened to the Vegas odds on Donovan?
He was probably finishing up his interview when the Bulls went down 20-1 to start the game last night
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2026, 10:42:58 AMHe was probably finishing up his interview when the Bulls went down 20-1 to start the game last night
Right? The Bulls must think in addition to your record, the amount of 30+ point losses improves your draft slot.
I've no idea if Billy is interested in UNC, but I'm getting the feeling that the Bulls' disfunction is wearing on him. There are unspecified reports that the Bulls' FO in fraying.
It is, but there will be a lot of NBA coaching turnover. If Donovan wants a job in the league, he'll find one.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2026, 02:43:53 PMIt is, but there will be a lot of NBA coaching turnover. If Donovan wants a job in the league, he'll find one.
Do you think a 60-year-old Billy Donovan will be hired as an HC elsewhere? The trend in the NBA has been for younger assistants who've come up on Analytics (Mitch Johnson, Mark Daigneault, Jordan Ott, Will Hardy) and former players (e.g., JJ Reddick, Joe Mazzulla, Doug Christie, Jason Kidd) to get HC jobs (unless you're Doc Rivers).
Read an article in a local Chicago newspaper. Believe or not, Donovan still has a good reputation in the NBA. I think he would land another job.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2026, 03:59:25 PMDo you think a 60-year-old Billy Donovan will be hired as an HC elsewhere?
Yes. Without question.
Quote from: Wade-A-Minute on April 04, 2026, 04:07:40 PMRead an article in a local Chicago newspaper. Believe or not, Donovan still has a good reputation in the NBA. I think he would land another job.
His NBA resume is bad, but he doesn't make waves so GMs may find that attractive?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 04, 2026, 04:26:17 PMHis NBA resume is bad, but he doesn't make waves so GMs may find that attractive?
I think NBA people know he coaches for a dumpster-fire organization. Like Mike Brown when he was in Sacramento.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 04, 2026, 05:04:21 PMI think NBA people know he coaches for a dumpster-fire organization. Like Mike Brown when he was in Sacramento.
Yes, he is far from the biggest issue with the Bulls. The fact that he has agreed to multiple extensions with said dumpster-fire is a reason to question his desire to win.
May removes his name from consideration for the UNC job. Carefully worded statement mentiones he isn't a candidate for other "college jobs." I can see him in the NBA.
In the least surprising development since Tommy Lloyd removed his name from consideration, Dusty May will not be the next head coach at UNC.
All that tradition wasn't enough for UNC to get Lloyd or May
Bwahahahahahaha. Jerry Stackhouse, you are who they wanted all along, come on down! You are the next contestant on the UNC coaching price is right.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2026, 04:44:03 PMIn the least surprising development since Tommy Lloyd removed his name from consideration, Dusty May will not be the next head coach at UNC.
All that tradition wasn't enough for UNC to get Lloyd or May
Predictable. I was genuinely surprised some thought either of them would leave for UNC.
Looks like Michael Malone will be the new coach at UNC.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 12:57:11 PMLooks like Michael Malone will be the new coach at UNC.
Interesting. He's got a great NBA resume.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 12:57:11 PMLooks like Michael Malone will be the new coach at UNC.
Did not have that on my bingo card.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 12:57:11 PMLooks like Michael Malone will be the new coach at UNC.
A much better choice IMHO than a 61-year-old who has been mailing it in for years.
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2026, 12:23:04 PMAnother Scooper beat you to this, and I already thanked him for the correction.
Sorry, I don't generally read the follow-up comments before responding to the one I just read. Didn't mean to gang up on you!
Pretty light college experience and even that was a long time ago...........so much for the pundits who told us that UNC can pretty much get anyone they want........
Obviously has the coaching chops but was fired by Nuggets because of chemistry issues
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2026, 01:06:00 PMA much better choice IMHO than a 61-year-old who has been mailing it in for years.
Malone would have been a great hire for the Bulls.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 12:57:11 PMLooks like Michael Malone will be the new coach at UNC.
Maybe Scott Drew prayed again and said no?
The UNC process was interesting. They clearly had a top 4. (LLoyd, May, Donovan, Otzelberger).
THe assumption was Malone would take Orlando NBA. But he has huge UNC fandom, not just for his daughter's volleyball team, but other things as well. He's there often. You would think a strong pursuit would have paid offand it finally did.
It has been reported (Norlander) that next were McCollum and Scott Drew, who both declined in person interviews. All 3 of TJO, McCollum, Drew, had by far the smallest buyouts of the college coaches, after Lloyd and May's higher buyouts.
This gets them a big name, and it allows them to not keep being turned down by more college coaches.
https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/2041227917229773114?s=61
Quote from: Tarragona on April 06, 2026, 02:20:09 PMThe UNC process was interesting. They clearly had a top 4. (LLoyd, May, Donovan, Otzelberger).
THe assumption was Malone would take Orlando NBA. But he has huge UNC fandom, not just for his daughter's volleyball team, but other things as well. He's there often. You would think a strong pursuit would have paid offand it finally did.
It has been reported (Norlander) that next were McCollum and Scott Drew, who both declined in person interviews. All 3 of TJO, McCollum, Drew, had by far the smallest buyouts of the college coaches, after Lloyd and May's higher buyouts.
This gets them a big name, and it allows them to not keep being turned down by more college coaches.
🙄
Apparently Malone was the only person who would take the job.......
https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/2041220361149153408?s=61
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 06, 2026, 01:03:45 PMDid not have that on my bingo card.
Malone was on the radar as plan E or F. This could be a complete disaster at UNC. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2026, 02:25:03 PMMalone was on the radar as plan E or F. This could be a complete disaster at UNC. :)
Let's see his staff first. I'm not a fan of this hire but if he puts a solid staff together with some guys that can recruit HS and the portal, he's got the coaching chops.
Quote from: MuMark on April 06, 2026, 02:20:55 PMhttps://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/2041227917229773114?s=61
I don't know. I think this is probably more accurate.
https://x.com/DanWolken/status/2041240886563000465?s=20
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 03:01:23 PMI don't know. I think this is probably more accurate.
https://x.com/DanWolken/status/2041240886563000465?s=20
Lucky for Billy almost no GM wants to hire their own HC. ::)
Though I really do think the Michigan and Arizona jobs are every bit as good as the UNC gig, I get that UNC is a historically top-notch basketball program that usually will flourish under the right leadership.
With that, though, comes even more pressure in an already pressure-filled profession. So I understand why coaches that some might think would jump at the job decide to pass.
In today's environment, you simply do not need to be at UNC or any of the other bluebloods to win big and to make big money.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 02:28:52 PMLet's see his staff first. I'm not a fan of this hire but if he puts a solid staff together with some guys that can recruit HS and the portal, he's got the coaching chops.
Yep.
Adding to that, it's a whole different recruiting world out there. Who can offer a kid the best deal is as/more important than selling a kid on your school and coaching style.
I don't think Malone is going to have difficulty persuading recruits that he understands what it takes to get to the NBA.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 02:28:52 PMLet's see his staff first. I'm not a fan of this hire but if he puts a solid staff together with some guys that can recruit HS and the portal, he's got the coaching chops.
Fair point but I don't really see the guy as a college coach. I could be wrong though.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2026, 03:09:11 PMThough I really do think the Michigan and Arizona jobs are every bit as good as the UNC gig, I get that UNC is a historically top-notch basketball program that usually will flourish under the right leadership.
With that, though, comes even more pressure in an already pressure-filled profession. So I understand why coaches that some might think would jump at the job decide to pass.
In today's environment, you simply do not need to be at UNC or any of the other bluebloods to win big and to make big money.
I don't know about that. By and large, the programs contending for Final 4s and titles today are basically the same that were contending for Final 4s and titles 10, 20, 30 years ago.
I know Michigan isn't historically considered a blueblood, but this is their third Final Four since 2013. And they had a run of three in five years in the late 80s/early 90s.
There hasn't really been an Indiana football of college basketball yet.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 03:14:59 PMI don't know about that. By and large, the programs contending for Final 4s and titles today are basically the same that were contending for Final 4s and titles 10, 20, 30 years ago.
I know Michigan isn't historically considered a blueblood, but this is their third Final Four since 2013. And they had a run of three in five years in the late 80s/early 90s.
There hasn't really been an Indiana football of college basketball yet.
Reading this comment, I don't see how disagree.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2026, 03:12:40 PMFair point but I don't really see the guy as a college coach. I could be wrong though.
Basketball is basketball. If he can focus on the coaching part of it and attract good players, that takes care of a lot of it.
This isn't Belichick whose best days were behind him.
I get the hesitation and it could fail but I'm betting it's more likely he finds some success. He'll have to adapt his personal skills from what it sounds like. I think that's more of a concern.