We've seen this a few times. No poise down the stretch and on both ends of the floor. They will figure it out next season, but it's still difficult to stomach.
Nigel just gets too frenetic. Sometimes just need to bring up the floor and get into the offense. Chase...one good make, not much else. True leader
It hurt a little. And... I'm over it. Lots of good things. (Lights in the darkness) Doing that well with NJ doing that poorly.
Let myself get excited, makes it more difficult. Didn't think we would win going in, but the boys worked. We had it.
This team should be better than our record.
We keep seeing it.
And we keep thinking it's OK?
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on Today at 08:49:01 PMLet myself get excited, makes it more difficult. Didn't think we would win going in, but the boys worked. We had it.
Yes, really can't believe in this team at all, they will always let you down. It sucks but at least they are getting better and the young guys have been our best players
I'm glad Tre contributed those two big buckets to get us going. Gets a lot of heat but played his role today.
Parhammies gave out down the stretch otherwise we probably pull it out
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on Today at 08:49:31 PMWe keep seeing it.
And we keep thinking it's OK?
Nobody thinks it's okay. People realize it's not changing this season. There's a difference.
We're seeing what happens with upper classmen who have never been "the guy" and aren't able to step into that role ass seniors. Hopefully these are growing pains for the underclassmen so they can win games down the stretch in future years.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on Today at 08:49:31 PMWe keep seeing it.
And we keep thinking it's OK?
::)
Experiences like these will be invaluable for Nigel, Adrien and Royce going forward.
Quote from: tower912 on Today at 08:48:05 PMIt hurt a little. And... I'm over it. Lots of good things. (Lights in the darkness) Doing that well with NJ doing that poorly.
Needs to understand when he just has to be a point guard and not trying to drive when 3 have been collapsing on you. They don't teach last TO he had Parham open and didn't pass it.
Barely hurts at this point. I've been resigned to watching the underclassmen develop and their big 3 of the future looks promising. Replacing Gold and Ross will not be very difficult at this point
It's maddening and yet encouraging, if you are willing to admit that this season has effectively been over for months.
This season will be beneficial for the guys who will lead this team for the next 2-3 seasons.
Quote from: Newsdreams on Today at 08:54:18 PMNeeds to understand when he just has to be a point guard and not trying to drive when 3 have been collapsing on you. They don't teach last TO he had Parham open and didn't pass it.
Villanova did some very Villanova and very Willard things defensively. Villanova things were good help, always reaching in when a dribbler was near, jumping passing lanes.
The Willard stuff was physicality and cheap shots.
A potent combination in this game.
Lessons to be learned.
I hope Royce is a fast healer.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:49:14 PMThis team should be better than our record.
The team is trending better than the aggregate record. We've got a lot of angsty fans, but if you look at the team's play the last 6 weeks it is trending toward being more of a team playing like a 45ish ranked team.
Unlike last season where we were getting worse as the season wore on, this team is heading the right direction.
Quote from: tower912 on Today at 08:59:14 PMVillanova did some very Villanova and very Willard things defensively. Villanova things were good help, always reaching in when a dribbler was near, jumping passing lanes.
The Willard stuff was physicality and cheap shots.
A potent combination in this game.
Lessons to be learned.
I hope Royce is a fast healer.
Yes but he had faced them before, needs to understand when is not there for him. Yeah hopefully Parham is just cramps.
I've been on the Parham bandwagon all season (particularly watching him be the only one who seemed to give a damn at Purdue), and I will continue to insist he is part of the foundation for this team. Put him in a Trey Kaufmann-Renn role as the #3 option behind James and an impact transfer, and we're winning 20 games next year.
Nova shot 18-31 from the line and still won. Left 13 free points out there. The game was close on the scoreboard, but if Nova hits throws, the outcome is a no doubter. But, the freshmen and Parham are keepers. We'll get a road win, beat DeP at home, upset Dracula at home, and win a BET game.
Oh C'mon. That was a very entertaining game. What will hurt is if Shaka does not get any transfers that can contribute in the off season.
Quote from: Viper on Today at 09:05:04 PMNova shot 18-31 from the line and still won. Left 13 free points out there. The game was close on the scoreboard, but if Nova hits throws, the outcome is a no doubter. But, the freshmen and Parham are keepers. We'll get a road win, beat DeP at home, upset Dracula at home, and win a BET game.
And MU hit 90% and lost, so??
I'm sorry Scoopers, you have to finish. And when you beat yourself, it hurts. There are no moral wins.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:45:48 PMWe've seen this a few times. No poise down the stretch and on both ends of the floor. They will figure it out next season, but it's still difficult to stomach.
If you let a game like that bother you that much, it's on you. Did you honestly think they were ever likely to win that game after how they have played in close games down the stretch all season?
I'm more upset about Illinois choking away their game to the Badgers.
Quote from: wisblue on Today at 09:10:48 PMIf you let a game like that bother you that much, it's on you. Did you honestly think they were ever likely to win that game after how they have played in close games down the stretch all season?
I'm more upset about Illinois choking away their game to the Badgers.
Illinois can't make a FT. Also their 2nd best player is out.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 09:04:57 PMI've been on the Parham bandwagon all season (particularly watching him be the only one who seemed to give a damn at Purdue), and I will continue to insist he is part of the foundation for this team. Put him in a Trey Kaufmann-Renn role as the #3 option behind James and an impact transfer, and we're winning 20 games next year.
Hard to talk about next year when you have no idea who will be on the team.
In the past you might have said "the future is bright". Now all you can say is "the future is unknown".
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 09:04:57 PMI've been on the Parham bandwagon all season (particularly watching him be the only one who seemed to give a damn at Purdue), and I will continue to insist he is part of the foundation for this team. Put him in a Trey Kaufmann-Renn role as the #3 option behind James and an impact transfer, and we're winning 20 games next year.
Wow. You're really a Nostradamus. Everyone expected Parham to be one of our best players this year and knew his early season struggles weren't indicative of the player he is/would be.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 09:13:22 PMIllinois can't make a FT. Also their 2nd best player is out.
Even with a player out Illinois is a top 10 team with a double digit lead in the last seven minutes playing at home. That's a game that has to be won.
Bad teams like Marquette find a way to lose.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 09:02:51 PMThe team is trending better than the aggregate record. We've got a lot of angsty fans, but if you look at the team's play the last 6 weeks it is trending toward being more of a team playing like a 45ish ranked team.
LOL.
We're 4-8 over the last six weeks, with wins over KenPom #62, #73, #78 and #95 ... all at home. That does not add up to a top 45 team.
But I think we'd have lost this game by double digits in December, so I guess that's progress.
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 09:23:24 PMLOL.
We're 4-8 over the last six weeks, with wins over KenPom #62, #73, #78 and #95.
Yes.....but that's an improvement from what we saw earlier in the year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 09:13:22 PMIllinois can't make a FT. Also their 2nd best player is out.
Fts 😂
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:45:48 PMWe've seen this a few times. No poise down the stretch and on both ends of the floor. They will figure it out next season, but it's still difficult to stomach.
Muggs look at my post in the Shaka cost us the game thread.
We've seen it more than a few, but this team is better than it's been.
Gave us something to be proud of for a long time tonight, so there's that
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 09:23:24 PMLOL.
We're 4-8 over the last six weeks, with wins over KenPom #62, #73, #78 and #95 ... all at home. That does not add up to a top 45 team.
But I think we'd have lost this game by double digits in December, so I guess that's progress.
A little worse (52) over a little less than the last 6 weeks (since the calendar year 2026 started, which I found out is what matters and not actual sports seasons because it made the narrative that last year sucked fit so we had more to complain about here).
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 09:23:24 PMLOL.
We're 4-8 over the last six weeks, with wins over KenPom #62, #73, #78 and #95 ... all at home. That does not add up to a top 45 team.
But I think we'd have lost this game by double digits in December, so I guess that's progress.
You're right. Shaka has lost the team. They've mailed it in. Fire Shaka. Bring TJO home. Miss an NCAA 1 out of every 5 years at MU and that is grounds for hot seat/potential firing.
Assuming MU does not fire Shaka this offseason, do you think MU will be a better team next season? If they are better but miss the NCAA, what are you doing as AD at MU? Retain Shaka or move on?
Quote from: NinjaWes on Today at 08:47:13 PMNigel just gets too frenetic. Sometimes just need to bring up the floor and get into the offense. Chase...one good make, not much else. True leader
Agreed, he seemed too pumped to be playing against Lewis. Went at it at Sean speed instead of Nigel speed.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 10:09:42 PMYou're right. Shaka has lost the team. They've mailed it in. Fire Shaka. Bring TJO home. Miss an NCAA 1 out of every 5 years at MU and that is grounds for hot seat/potential firing.
Assuming MU does not fire Shaka this offseason, do you think MU will be a better team next season? If they are better but miss the NCAA, what are you doing as AD at MU? Retain Shaka or move on?
This is sad, even for you.
Firing Shaka is a dumbass argument and shouldn't be given any credence.
Not this season, not next season.
I usually like to look at both sides of things but we really need to move on from this idiocy, please
Quote from: DoctorV on Today at 10:16:16 PMFiring Shaka is a dumbass argument and shouldn't be given any credence.
Not this season, not next season.
I usually like to look at both sides of things but we really need to move on from this idiocy, please
Shaka shouldn't be fired. He should be forced to add good players to this team.
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 10:13:55 PMThis is sad, even for you.
This is on par for you. You've suggested Shaka will/should be on the hot seat going in to next year. But you can't answer basic questions about what you'd do as AD at the end of next season with a very straightforward scenario laid out for you.
But, you've been an awesome complainer all season long!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on Today at 10:18:52 PMShaka shouldn't be fired. He should be forced to add good players to this team.
I just agreed with you on a comment.
Now you've embarrassed me.
Don't open yourself up to more ridicule, makes me feel bad for you
Quote from: DoctorV on Today at 10:16:16 PMFiring Shaka is a dumbass argument and shouldn't be given any credence.
Not this season, not next season.
I usually like to look at both sides of things but we really need to move on from this idiocy, please
100% agree. Yet we have dense Scoopers like Pakuni, Sultan, Brewcity, Onepost, who think Shaka should be fired if he has another bad season next year.
Improvement is there. Team still young.
That kinda sucked at the end though. Let myself let a LITTLE bit of light in for the road win hopes.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 10:26:37 PM100% agree. Yet we have dense Scoopers like Pakuni, Sultan, Brewcity, Onepost, who think Shaka should be fired if he has another bad season next year.
A lot more than that if next year is anything like this year!
Everybody needs to calm down. I never thought I would be the soother of scoop. We have a nice trio to build around next season. Now, we must add pieces for sure. I've mentioned how imperative a badass big is, a sniper, and perhaps a back-up pg. I think we have to get two impact portal guys for sure. All this said? Losing this game still sucked and all of these games are important.
Are we somewhat gassed at the end of games because we don't have a bench?
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 10:58:45 PMWe have a nice trio to build around next season.
2 sophs, and 1 junior (classes next year). That's your soothing thought?
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 11:00:16 PMAre we somewhat gassed at the end of games because we don't have a bench?
I mean we really don't. 3 redshirts, Sean hurt, Zaide gone. 3 players unplayable... Leaves shaka with 7.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on Today at 11:01:40 PM2 sophs, and 1 junior (classes next year). That's your soothing thought?
Yes. What's the problem?
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 11:05:24 PMYes. What's the problem?
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Stevens has a chance to be a heck of a player.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 11:10:58 PMStevens has a chance to be a heck of a player.
I agree, I'm slightly concerned with him modeling his game off of Stevie, because I think he could be much more valuable on offense. Not that Stevie was an offensive slouch in the end. But I'd rather Stevens play good defense, and great offense.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 11:10:58 PMStevens has a chance to be a heck of a player.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 11:10:58 PMStevens has a chance to be a heck of a player.
He will be. A backcourt of Nigel and AS will be good to elite for 3 more seasons given retention imo.
Rocky's point still stands though, it's slim pickens. Even if the above pan out and Royce is the stud we expect.
Nigel is a high impact guy, both within the game results and the way he plays. Dude is constantly barreling into people. Royce seems like hes a bit injury risk, Adrien seems solid.
Need more, more star power and more depth.
I had the discussion with my wife about paying Nigel like a sr next season and she says "nope, can't do that. Shaka has a system and if he does it to one he will have to account to all"
So I says "well you also can't have a guy like Nigel leave"
She said "why? Sure he's good but why can't Shaka get better? He's no Tyler"
Threw me for a loop. Nigel is great and he deserves both accolades and money from Marquette but it's a down year. Imagine bringing in a stud pg in the portal, or recruiting another stud pg like Shaka is trying to.
One stud is good, two or several is elite. We can't lose sight of that if the goal is elite
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 08:49:14 PMThis team should be better than our record.
No we shouldn't. We sucked early. We're solid now. Once we learn to win on the road and consistently close games, we'll be good.
Quote from: DoctorV on Today at 11:19:54 PMShe said "why? Sure he's good but why can't Shaka get better? He's no Tyler"
I agree, and disagree. He's way better than Tyler, especially as a frosh.
Quote from: DoctorV on Today at 11:19:54 PMHe will be. A backcourt of Nigel and AS will be good to elite for 3 more seasons given retention imo.
Rocky's point still stands though, it's slim pickens. Even if the above pan out and Royce is the stud we expect.
Nigel is a high impact guy, both within the game results and the way he plays. Dude is constantly barreling into people. Royce seems like hes a bit injury risk, Adrien seems solid.
Need more, more star power and more depth.
I had the discussion with my wife about paying Nigel like a sr next season and she says "nope, can't do that. Shaka has a system and if he does it to one he will have to account to all"
So I says "well you also can't have a guy like Nigel leave"
She said "why? Sure he's good but why can't Shaka get better? He's no Tyler"
Threw me for a loop. Nigel is great and he deserves both accolades and money from Marquette but it's a down year. Imagine bringing in a stud pg in the portal, or recruiting another stud pg like Shaka is trying to.
One stud is good, two or several is elite. We can't lose sight of that if the goal is elite
We definitely need more Dr.V! Way more. But I think Shaka will pivot and get some strong pieces. If he doesn't it will be MU hoops malpractice, and my calm disposition will turn to relentless wrath and demanding immediate change. :)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on Today at 11:22:54 PMI agree, and disagree. He's way better than Tyler, especially as a frosh.
Yea but you've got to understand she's my wife, and any basketball engagement I get is a net positive.
You can learn things from all opinions
She is right in one sense though- find a way to bring in more while retaining what you've built as your system and let it play out on the court, regardless of position
Quote from: DoctorV on Today at 11:34:39 PMShe is right in one sense though- find a way to bring in more while retaining what you've built as your system and let it play out on the court, regardless of position
Now you're putting words in her mouth! Lol
Quote from: rocky_warrior on Today at 11:36:19 PMNow you're putting words in her mouth! Lol
Sometimes those darn jokes, they write themselves