Tre is the player guest tonight.
Can't wait to find our his favorite color.
Tre how do you feel being the 10th man off the bench in your upcoming senior year?
I was going to make a joke but I'll refrain.
I'm just ready for him to move on so I can stop feeling bad for a kid that's probably making 6 figures to not play for a team I root for that is currently horrible.
😅
Man, no wonder some people have de-Scooped their lives. No need to be so miserable about a guy just because he hasn't met expectations.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 05, 2026, 11:36:31 AMMan, no wonder some people have de-Scooped their lives. No need to be so miserable about a guy just because he hasn't met expectations.
Exactly.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 05, 2026, 11:36:31 AMMan, no wonder some people have de-Scooped their lives. No need to be so miserable about a guy just because he hasn't met expectations.
...and some of them like that the players are finally being paid: Good for the players not so sure it is good for Marquette as this season just
may be the canary in the room.
#cesspool
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 05, 2026, 12:17:57 PM...and some of them like that the players are finally being paid: Good for the players not so sure it is good for Marquette as this season just may be the canary in the room.
"The canary in the room?" ::) ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: The Sultan on February 05, 2026, 03:53:20 PM"The canary in the room?" ::) ::) ::) ::)
I think he meant to say the elephant in the coal mine.
Either way, Muggsy is outraged.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 05, 2026, 03:53:20 PM"The canary in the room?" ::) ::) ::) ::)
Cut the guy some slack. He's just being practical. A canary takes up a lot less space than an elephant in a room. I think an elephant in a coal mine would be quite interesting though.
They are both
magnificent animals. (Happy now Muggsy?)
A lot of it stems from our lack of success this season, but I haven't tuned into any radio shows this year. Definitely took a hit when Jen Lada didn't come back, she did a great job with last season's show.
Quote from: onepost on February 05, 2026, 04:17:05 PMA lot of it stems from our lack of success this season, but I haven't tuned into any radio shows this year. Definitely took a hit when Jen Lada didn't come back, she did a great job with last season's show.
Ah, didn't know she hit the portal.
The gap widens.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 05, 2026, 04:47:22 PMAh, didn't know she hit the portal.
The R part of RGV went south after her fight with Chick
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44843.msg652477#msg652477
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2026, 11:00:13 AMTre is the player guest tonight.
Well, what did he say?
The suspense is killing me.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 05, 2026, 05:49:55 PMWell, what did he say?
The suspense is killing me.
He's very high on Nash Walker. Says his passing and vision are excellent and even compared him to TKO.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 05, 2026, 05:22:21 PMThe R part of RGV went south after her fight with Chick
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44843.msg652477#msg652477
Girl fights are so much more fun than guy fights. ;D
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 05, 2026, 05:49:55 PMWell, what did he say?
The suspense is killing me.
Says Nash will be better than TKO.....
https://www.youtube.com/live/FkDabbWi7YU?si=TPnn1jSkYFUEUjBv
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 05, 2026, 05:22:21 PMThe R part of RGV went south after her fight with Chick
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44843.msg652477#msg652477
That was a hall of fame takedown by Ms. Lada of someone who I remember to be a pretty smug poster and staunch Wojo supporter.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 05, 2026, 06:47:06 PMSays Nash will be better than TKO.....
Classy. Patient with the interviewer. Hyped Nash.
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2026, 08:35:12 PMClassy. Patient with the interviewer. Hyped Nash.
Without being asked about Nash.........
Quote from: WalesOnWells on February 05, 2026, 06:42:04 PMHe's very high on Nash Walker. Says his passing and vision are excellent and even compared him to TK.
In other words, our practice defense is so bad that it makes Nash Walker look like TKO. Got it.
Quote from: tower912 on February 05, 2026, 04:05:02 PMEither way, Muggsy is outraged.
Both idioms are seriously problematic.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 05, 2026, 10:04:05 PMIn other words, our practice defense is so bad that it makes Nash Walker look like TKO. Got it.
It makes Carin look like RJax, so that tracks
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 06, 2026, 07:40:55 AMIt makes Carin look like RJax, so that tracks
I like the new nickname.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 06, 2026, 09:50:12 AMI like the new nickname.
Yes, that's some Shakespearean-level wordplay.
Carin Hamiltoe.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 06, 2026, 01:29:23 PMCarin Hamiltoe.
I don't care
how you spell it, no Karens on our team please.
Quote from: WalesOnWells on February 05, 2026, 06:42:04 PMHe's very high on Nash Walker. Says his passing and vision are excellent and even compared him to TKO.
Ugh.
You'd have hoped he would have learned the downside of setting unrealistic expectations.
Underpromise and overdeliver, Shaka, not the other way around.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2026, 02:28:20 PMUgh.
You'd have hoped he would have learned the downside of setting unrealistic expectations.
Underpromise and overdeliver, Shaka, not the other way around.
Yep. Shaka just jinxed the guy. He would have had great passing and vision. but now it's
gone. No worry though-he can grow it back.
Edit: Oops. I see Tower's correction. Yay! Nash will be fine.
Tre said it, not Shaka.
And, coaches are supposed to hype their players.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2026, 02:28:20 PMUgh.
You'd have hoped he would have learned the downside of setting unrealistic expectations.
Underpromise and overdeliver, Shaka, not the other way around.
If I read the posts correctly, Tre was the one hyping Nash. Not Shaka
But I agree with other posters, it's probably not hard to look good in practice going against our own guys
Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2026, 02:33:40 PMTre said it, not Shaka.
And, coaches are supposed to hype their players.
If it was Tre, my mistake.
But no, coaches are not supposed to hype players. Coaches are supposed to protect players. Setting unrealistic expectations for a player only serves to increase the scrutiny and criticism of the player if he underperforms. It's setting up a kid for failure.
The lasting memory of Caedin Hamilton's time at Marquette likely won't be anything he did on the court, it will be 10,000 hook shots and "well-embedded moles." And that's on Shaka.
Frustration has fried your logic circuits and given you the long term perspective of a goldfish. Coaches have always boosted their players.
Shaka hyped Oso, Omax, TKo, Stevie, Kam, Joplin, Justin, too. Remember?
But, completely moot in this instance. It was Tre singing Nash's praises.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2026, 02:28:20 PMUgh.
You'd have hoped he would have learned the downside of setting unrealistic expectations.
Underpromise and overdeliver, Shaka, not the other way around.
Tre said that.
Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2026, 03:42:18 PMFrustration has fried your logic circuits and given you the long term perspective of a goldfish. Coaches have always boosted their players.
Tower resorting to personal insults?
Bless your heart.
Inflating expectations for players incapable of meeting them is coaching malpractice.
And bless yours.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2026, 03:51:56 PMInflating expectations for players incapable of meeting them is coaching malpractice.
You've got some weird takes sometimes. How do you really know if he's incapable of meeting them? And maybe, just MAYBE the kid actually does show the potential but has difficulty putting it together at game time and supporting him publicly is to try and demonstrate Shaka's confidence in him? Oooorrrr... any other of a million reasons Shaka had for pumping him up??
Nah, you probably know best since I'm sure you're around them for every practice, every scrimmage, every training session, etc.
I believe Hamilton was the hardest worker during the offseason. I don't believe Shaka was engaged in some sort of long con. Clearly, it didn't trabslate to games this season. But, as I posted above, Shaka also hyped Oso, TKo, Omax, Stevie, Kam, Justin. Not coaching malpractice
Quote from: UWW2MU on February 06, 2026, 03:59:02 PMYou've got some weird takes sometimes. How do you really know if he's incapable of meeting them?
Is this a serious question?
Andrei at Paint Touches had the exact same take a few weeks ago. Hope you let him know how weird it was.
So while I will get into some of the stats in a minute, I want to try and emphasize that a lot of the hate going towards Caedin isn't even basketball related. Shaka and the staff have done a very poor job of protecting him. They set unreasonable expectations early on and have unintentionally made him the face of the season by continuing to start him as the losses mount.https://painttouches.com/2026/01/07/greska-the-caedin-hamilton-conundrum-marquette-shaka-smart/
I think Tower and Pakuni both have valid points. I don't think it's as black & white as either of them are making it, though.
Coaches should always boost their players and build confidence in private, with the team, etc.
I think doing so publicly can depend on the individual player, how they're wired, and how accurate the praise is.
The offseason praise for Caedin ultimately probably did him a disservice. But for guys like a Kam or a TKO or maybe a Nigel or Royce going forward, that could the right way to go.
Really good take VBMG.
It ultimately didn't work as well with Caedin as it did with the aforementioned now legends. However, on a related note, Shaka took NJ and AS to NYC for the Big East media event, breaking tradition and (gasp) hyping them.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 06, 2026, 04:15:16 PMI think Tower and Pakuni both have valid points. I don't think it's as black & white as either of them are making it, though.
Coaches should always boost their players and build confidence in private, with the team, etc.
I think doing so publicly can depend on the individual player, how they're wired, and how accurate the praise is.
The offseason praise for Caedin ultimately probably did him a disservice. But for guys like a Kam or a TKO or maybe a Nigel or Royce going forward, that could the right way to go.
I think this is fair.
I'm also all for offseason praise. If a kid is working hard, showing commitment, that's awesome. Say so.
But I think there's a big difference between praising effort and suggesting a player has undergone a "massive transformation." The latter sets an expectation that, if unmet, is going to lead to harsher criticism. And in Caedin's case, it obviously wasn't true.
Given his play, Caedin was always probably doomed to be a pinata for how the seasons played out. But I think the preseason expectations created by the staff made it much worse.
Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2026, 04:47:33 PMIt ultimately didn't work as well with Caedin as it did with the aforementioned now legends. However, on a related note, Shaka took NJ and AS to NYC for the Big East media event, breaking tradition and (gasp) hyping them.
You sure?
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2025/10/17/mens-basketball-2025-big-east-media-day-attendees-announced.aspx
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 06, 2026, 04:15:16 PMI think Tower and Pakuni both have valid points. I don't think it's as black & white as either of them are making it, though.
Coaches should always boost their players and build confidence in private, with the team, etc.
I think doing so publicly can depend on the individual player, how they're wired, and how accurate the praise is.
The offseason praise for Caedin ultimately probably did him a disservice. But for guys like a Kam or a TKO or maybe a Nigel or Royce going forward, that could the right way to go.
I think it comes down to accurate evaluations. When Shaka came in, added Tyler Kolek, and almost immediately started comparing him to Travis Diener, my thought was "okay, let's slow this train down." A couple years later it was more like "might have been an understatement."
The problem isn't putting a Sean into Cousy Award comparisons or saying Caedin will be a major impact guy if that's actually the case. But when that evaluation is off base it makes it easy for the fanbase to turn on those players. Especially when the team is arguably the worst in a generation, which usually leaves fans looking for someone to blame and those overhyped players being convenient scapegoats.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2026, 04:55:17 PMYou sure?
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2025/10/17/mens-basketball-2025-big-east-media-day-attendees-announced.aspx
My bad. Mandela effect.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2026, 03:27:19 PMIf it was Tre, my mistake.
But no, coaches are not supposed to hype players. Coaches are supposed to protect players. Setting unrealistic expectations for a player only serves to increase the scrutiny and criticism of the player if he underperforms. It's setting up a kid for failure.
The lasting memory of Caedin Hamilton's time at Marquette likely won't be anything he did on the court, it will be 10,000 hook shots and "well-embedded moles." And that's on Shaka.
I'm guessing 90+% of Marquette basketball fans have no clue what "well embedded moles" referred to, what those moles said, or that Caiden made 10K hook shots. On Scoop maybe that's what he'll be remembered for but to the vast majority of MU fans, no.
It's fine to acknowledge hard work and sing their praises in a controlled public manner.
Going back and re-reading the October article on RGV and Hamilton's so-called explosive growth borders on comedic. It's almost hard to believe part of his ritual was just yelling out that he's the biggest baddest motherf#%ker and taking a bunch of hook shots (has he even attempted a hook shot this season?).
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2026, 07:08:50 PMI'm guessing 90+% of Marquette basketball fans have no clue what "well embedded moles" referred to, what those moles said, or that Caiden made 10K hook shots. On Scoop maybe that's what he'll be remembered for but to the vast majority of MU fans, no.
Right. The other 90% of Marquette fans will view him as a pretty bad player. So much better.
He has tried many hook shots this season. Often instead of a simpler shot.
Quote from: tower912 on February 06, 2026, 08:00:56 PMHe has tried many hook shots this season. Often instead of a simpler shot.
Well at least he tried.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 06, 2026, 07:59:37 PMRight. The other 90% of Marquette fans will view him as a pretty bad player. So much better.
Sure. But nobody will really think about him much after he leaves. How often do you think about Erik Williams or Patrick Hazel?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2026, 08:20:05 PMSure. But nobody will really think about him much after he leaves. How often do you think about Erik Williams or Patrick Hazel?
Rarely. But what is your point exactly? That will be as forgettable as Erik Williams and Patrick Hazel?
Quote from: The Sultan on February 06, 2026, 08:27:57 PMRarely. But what is your point exactly? That will be as forgettable as Erik Williams and Patrick Hazel?
Yes. That people are overreacting to how "harmful" Shaka has been to Caedin by talking him up to "well embedded moles."
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2026, 08:32:48 PMYes. That people are overreacting to how "harmful" Shaka has been to Caedin by talking him up to "well embedded moles."
Setting unrealistic expectations of a player isn't helpful at all. Again, this is a strange hill to die on.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 06, 2026, 08:47:29 PMSetting unrealistic expectations of a player isn't helpful at all. Again, this is a strange hill to die on.
Not dying on a hill. Just not overreacting to something that hasn't changed anything about the player or this team.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2026, 08:50:16 PMNot dying on a hill. Just not overreacting to something that hasn't changed anything about the player or this team.
So just dismiss Shaka's comments on players going forward?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 06, 2026, 08:57:01 PMSo just dismiss Shaka's comments on players going forward?
I'd just take everything with a grain of salt, especially if it's Rothstein posting about his well-embedded moles.
I remember Shaka, before the season, saying how Nigel and Adrien were going to play a lot this year.
Nevada Smith was also hyping Nigel in preseason.
Were those instances ok? Or was it a warning sign that our returners weren't improving as much as hoped?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 06, 2026, 08:32:48 PMYes. That people are overreacting to how "harmful" Shaka has been to Caedin by talking him up to "well embedded moles."
Harmful seems subjective here, but he did Caedin no favors by creating lofty expectations that he couldn't meet.
As PT said, Shaka and staff made Caedin the face of this year's failures. That seems unfair to Caedin, as he's just one of several players who've underperformed ... and he's probably underperformed less than others relative to talent.
Is that harmful? YMMV
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 06, 2026, 09:11:34 PMI'd just take everything with a grain of salt, especially if it's Rothstein posting about his well-embedded moles.
I mean, it wasn't the "well-embedded moles" it was Shaka saying Caedin's name first or second as a major impact guy every interview leading up to the season. At Big East media day, to Norlander, at the public events, it was a constant repeated mantra. And he reinforced that mistaken belief by starting him the first 17 games of the season.
The comments didn't help Caedin. What seems to be the staff's incredibly inaccurate assessment of his ability did, and that was reinforced the more they tried to make him into something he wasn't.
Through Dec 21, Caedin played double digits in all 13 games and we were #159 in Torvik during that time. Since then he's played double digits in 2/10 games & we rank #66. Maybe that is coincidence, but the misevaluation and the steadfast efforts to push Caedin into that role seem to have been harmful to the team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 06, 2026, 10:56:25 PMI mean, it wasn't the "well-embedded moles" it was Shaka saying Caedin's name first or second as a major impact guy every interview leading up to the season. At Big East media day, to Norlander, at the public events, it was a constant repeated mantra. And he reinforced that mistaken belief by starting him the first 17 games of the season.
The comments didn't help Caedin. What seems to be the staff's incredibly inaccurate assessment of his ability did, and that was reinforced the more they tried to make him into something he wasn't.
Through Dec 21, Caedin played double digits in all 13 games and we were #159 in Torvik during that time. Since then he's played double digits in 2/10 games & we rank #66. Maybe that is coincidence, but the misevaluation and the steadfast efforts to push Caedin into that role seem to have been harmful to the team.
I wasn't referring specifically to Caedin.
All is to say that fetch didn't happen after all.
Happy National Marquette Day Yall!
So I read all this, and the best takeaway is that Nash is better than Tre?
Yay.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 06, 2026, 09:11:34 PMI'd just take everything with a grain of salt, especially if it's Rothstein posting about his well-embedded moles.
So, essentially dismiss his comments.
If I tell someone to take my input with a grain of salt, I'm conceding that I'm talking out my a$$.
Nothing terribly wrong with this, Shaka does "coach speak" which we can all set aside.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 07, 2026, 12:17:05 PMSo, essentially dismiss his comments.
If I tell someone to take my input with a grain of salt, I'm conceding that I'm talking out my a$$.
Nothing terribly wrong with this, Shaka does "coach speak" which we can all set aside.
No, I'm not saying to dismiss his comments entirely. But I think we have enough of a sample size to not take any of them as gospel.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 07, 2026, 12:45:57 PMNo, I'm not saying to dismiss his comments entirely. But I think we have enough of a sample size to not take any of them as gospel.
Unless you have the decifer code, it safer to ignore him and let the results stand for themselves.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 07, 2026, 02:19:47 PMUnless you have the decifer code, it safer to ignore him and let the results stand for themselves.
Does anyone ever have a decifer code?