I don't make millions of dollar to coach the basketball, so I'm probably pretty stupid but could you please tell me:
1) Why Chase and Ben didn't switch back on Clark at 2:10 so we could avoid Ben getting iso'd 25 feet from the hoop? Did you think Ben would be able to stay in front of Clark isod?
2) Why Ben bring a high-hedge on Clark 45 feet from the basket at 1:24 which leads to us giving up a wide open 3? Did you think Ben was going to strip Clark?
I would graciously receive your wisdom so I too can make millions of dollars for coaching the basketball.
Your humble servant,
1SE
Shaka if you are reading this, can you please quit so MU bball at least has a small chance of being a winning program again?
Quote from: 1SE on January 31, 2026, 03:18:44 PMI'm probably pretty stupid (you said it, not me D) but could you please tell me:
I would graciously receive your wisdom (I just puked!) so I too can make millions of dollars for coaching the basketball.
Your humble servant (cue the song....Oh Lord it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in so many ways)
1SE (In case you actually HAVE been reading scoop, I'm the guy who adamantly insisted that the regular season is solely preparation for the tourney. Nothing else matters at all besides the tourney.)
I hope you don't mind my suggested editing.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 31, 2026, 03:32:55 PMI hope you don't mind my suggested editing.
Man, all I can say is I feel bad about not paying rent.
Quote from: 1SE on January 31, 2026, 03:38:31 PMMan, all I can say is I feel bad about not paying rent.
;D ;D ;D
Like in Seinfeld Shaka has turned into the Transfer Nazi and The Shake Nazi. No Shakes for You! Shaka has changed his tune on Shakes. This season is a conspiracy not to sell Shakes. Like the NFL is a conspiracy to sell food.
Shaka, don't read scoop. Don't let your players read scoop. Block it on all of their devices.
If you do reference it, use it as a teaching tool about what not to read and what not to pay attention to.
Yep. Fan boards for any team are no good. Would probably say social media is a worse place for negative commentary however.
Maybe we should have had today as a day off from Scoop. Perhaps Scoop should go on hiatus until the off season when will know in which direction the program is headed.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2026, 07:36:31 PMMaybe we should have had today as a day off from Scoop. Perhaps Scoop should go on hiatus until the off season when will know in which direction the program is headed.
Every game day should be a day off from scoop
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2026, 07:36:31 PMMaybe we should have had today as a day off from Scoop. Perhaps Scoop should go on hiatus until the off season when will know in which direction the program is headed.
Trust me, most casual fans have already moved on. Appreciate those of you still hanging on, there aren't many.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 07:45:41 PMTrust me, most casual fans have already moved on. Appreciate those of you still hanging on, there aren't many.
Casual Fan is an oxymoron.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2026, 07:36:31 PMMaybe we should have had today as a day off from Scoop. Perhaps Scoop should go on hiatus until the off season when will know in which direction the program is headed.
No! Scoop only closes for political causes, damn it!
Maybe the casual fans have moved on, but what has been left behind is frightening. This team is young and improving. The recruiting classes look great, and Shaka is a wonderful representative of Marquette. Get a collective grip, or maybe just get a life.
Quote from: PJDunn on January 31, 2026, 07:59:46 PMMaybe the casual fans have moved on, but what has been left behind is frightening. This team is young and improving. The recruiting classes look great, and Shaka is a wonderful representative of Marquette. Get a collective grip, or maybe just get a life.
Wow, for those of you that think this place is bad, you should check outside your front door occasionally.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 07:45:41 PMTrust me, most casual fans have already moved on. Appreciate those of you still hanging on, there aren't many.
Scoop is much appreciated! Scoop is also much needed for venting especially in a Season like this Season. Thank You for Scoop!
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 31, 2026, 07:57:39 PMNo! Scoop only closes for political causes, damn it!
Wahhhhhhhh
Scoop may be better than the outside world at large, but we should expect a bit more. That is an incredibly low bar right now. We had a chance to beat the Hall at home. Our inexperience showed, but that will correct over time.
Quote from: PJDunn on January 31, 2026, 08:11:12 PMScoop may be better than the outside world at large, but we should expect a bit more. That is an incredibly low bar right now. We had a chance to beat the Hall at home. Our inexperience showed, but that will correct over time.
We'll agree to disagree. There are no moral victories and we're 0-11 on tbe road. We definitely have shown improvement, but we need to cash in. The game was right there for us but we didn't execute down the stretch.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 31, 2026, 07:36:31 PMMaybe we should have had today as a day off from Scoop. Perhaps Scoop should go on hiatus until the off season when will know in which direction the program is headed.
What's next? Forfeiting the remaining games? If an individual scooper wants to go "on hiatus", DO it! No need to close it down for any
one scooper.
Quote from: PJDunn on January 31, 2026, 08:11:12 PMScoop may be better than the outside world at large, but we should expect a bit more. That is an incredibly low bar right now. We had a chance to beat the Hall at home. Our inexperience showed, but that will correct over time.
I don't think you could have found a lower bar if your life depended upon it. ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 31, 2026, 08:24:31 PMI don't think you could have found a lower bar if your life depended upon it. ;D
Scoop: better than your lowest expectations! (And better than the real world)
Quote from: PJDunn on January 31, 2026, 08:11:12 PMScoop may be better than the outside world at large, but we should expect a bit more. That is an incredibly low bar right now. We had a chance to beat the Hall at home. Our inexperience showed, but that will correct over time.
Seton Hall has been better than Marquette all year, home or away. Today was entirely expected.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 31, 2026, 07:57:39 PMNo! Scoop only closes for political causes, damn it!
roger that
Quote from: Viper on January 31, 2026, 08:34:46 PMroger that
That's like accepting an invitation to Epstein Island! Lol
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 08:28:59 PMSeton Hall has been better than Marquette all year, home or away. Today was entirely expected.
I anticipated a loss today too... but I'm feeling better about the team with 9 regular season games remaining. In fact, 6-3 down the stretch...and I'll say it now, MU beats Dracula, er, Pitino & St. John's outright at Fiserv. My worry is Shaka thinking a decent close to the season justifies RGV, and there's no portal shopping.
Quote from: Viper on January 31, 2026, 08:41:44 PM6-3 down the stretch...
I would be pleasantly surprised with 2 more wins
Quote from: Farley36 on January 31, 2026, 03:21:25 PMShaka if you are reading this, can you please quit so MU bball at least has a small chance of being a winning program again?
Marquette has a far better chance of being a winner if Shaka stays and adapts than if he leaves.
You should be wanting him to use the portal. If he leaves or is fired we will just become a stepping stone again.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 08:44:42 PMI would be pleasantly surprised with 2 more wins
I think they'll get more than that. Based on current form, DePaul and Butler at home should be wins. Have to think they'll get a road game somewhere, maybe.
If you sort T Rank since 1/10 we're the 70th best team in basketball. 50th best since 1/17. Small samples, but I think that matches the eye test in those time frames. If we continue to play like that, I think we can snag 4-5 more wins.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 31, 2026, 09:33:49 PMIf you sort T Rank since 1/10 we're the 70th best team in basketball. 50th best since 1/17. Small samples, but I think that matches the eye test in those time frames. If we continue to play like that, I think we can snag 4-5 more wins.
I donno, vs Creighton was our best game, and @ Creighton was our worst game. So you're eliminating our worst, but including our best. I agree MU has been playing better, but I don't think we have a tough team.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 09:38:08 PMI donno, vs Creighton was our best game, and @ Creighton was our worst game. So you're eliminating our worst, but including our best. I agree MU has been playing better, but I don't think we have a tough team.
Keeps the 24 point loss @SJU in there, though. And road losses to Butler and DePaul. Even with those three games, they're playing a lot better. Covering more spreads, more competitive.
I think learning to win on the road is more of a skill than toughness. They're getting closer. We'll see if they figure it out this year. I'm hoping they do because it'll really change the perspective on next year if they can finish strong. We'll see.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 31, 2026, 10:09:28 PMchange the perspective on next year if they can finish strong. We'll see.
Nigel is 200% of the key there.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 31, 2026, 07:57:39 PMNo! Scoop only closes for political causes, damn it!
As it should Truly be!
Roster construction aside, this team has executed poorly in"winning time" pretty much all year. That's either because Shaka is dialing up bad choices or his players aren't exectuing the good ones - both on him.
Just because we are now playing better than the absolute dumpster fire of a few weeks ago doesn't excuse the otherwise really subpar in game coaching this year.
I'll still hold out hope for the BET because never say die, but we have get to see this team close games in a way that gives me any confidence we won't see and early exit.
Quote from: 1SE on January 31, 2026, 11:52:52 PMJust because we are now playing better than the absolute dumpster fire of a few weeks ago doesn't excuse the otherwise really subpar in game coaching this year.
I said (maybe not here), we're the mid major team, we can hang on for a half.
I'm glad the guys had the Creighton game, they've worked hard and deserved that
Quote from: 1SE on January 31, 2026, 11:52:52 PMRoster construction aside, this team has executed poorly in"winning time" pretty much all year. That's either because Shaka is dialing up bad choices or his players aren't exectuing the good ones - both on him.
It seems simple to me. Chase Ross cannot be on the court with less than 2 minutes left in a close game. In fact, I'd like to see him benched for the next game in favor of Owens or Phillips just to see how they could do with serious minutes. Why not? What is there to lose?
Marquette Basketball has only had 2 Teams with more than 18 losses in its very long History. This may be the 3rd Team. We are a Feeble Embarrasung Disgrace Basketball Wise this year. Believe in Shaka but wish he would use the Portal.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 31, 2026, 09:33:49 PMI think they'll get more than that. Based on current form, DePaul and Butler at home should be wins. Have to think they'll get a road game somewhere, maybe.
If you sort T Rank since 1/10 we're the 70th best team in basketball. 50th best since 1/17. Small samples, but I think that matches the eye test in those time frames. If we continue to play like that, I think we can snag 4-5 more wins.
Yep. They have a good chance to beat everyone but UConn and St John's. Yesterday was a wasted opportunity. I think they are better than Seton Hall talent wise but just not as experienced. Lean to win on the road this year and get it out of the way for next.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 11:56:47 PMI said (maybe not here), we're the mid major team, we can hang on for a half.
I'm glad the guys had the Creighton game, they've worked hard and deserved that
Creighton played like us in the first half of that game. They couldn't put the ball in the ocean and dug a hole so deep there was no way for them to dig out of. Sure we played great but they played really poorly which contributed their blowout loss.
Shaka is responsible for this season as we have no senior leadership. Chase looks like he is just going through the motions. Ben tries but again is no go to guy. If we just keep the team we have, next season will not be much different than this season; but will know they play really well in practice.
One silver lining: If our shooting keeps improving there maybe hope, Dr V's post on regressing is depressing however.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 01, 2026, 06:30:17 AMYep. They have a good chance to beat everyone but UConn and St John's. Yesterday was a wasted opportunity. I think they are better than Seton Hall talent wise but just not as experienced. Lean to win on the road this year and get it out of the way for next.
While I am not as confident as you are regarding "ability to beat everyone but UCONN and St. Johns", I agree with your SH comments regarding talent. But rather than focusing on lack of experience, I see lack of confidence, intelligent decision making, ball movement, not knowing where teammates are, and the discipline that comes with a well-coached team. The all-too-familiar deer in the headlights looks in yesterday's game once again were clearly present.
MU has been through seasons before where players who were expected to slide into to the senior leadership role didn't. Think Jamil Wilson and Davante Gardner. That was also the season that cemented in my mind the need for guard depth, which is currently influencing my opinion about what MU needs from the portal.
Anyway, it appears that, like Jamil and Davante, Chase and Ben are more comfortable being complementary players rather than the leaders. Yes, it would be better if on the court Chase was more Vander than Jamil.
After watching MU playing as a well oiled machine for several seasons, I see a young team learning on the fly.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2026, 09:23:37 PMMarquette has a far better chance of being a winner if Shaka stays and adapts than if he leaves.
You should be wanting him to use the portal. If he leaves or is fired we will just become a stepping stone again.
This you?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2025, 08:28:43 PMI think it's best we lose every game the rest of the year.
1) Shaka can move on to somewhere where this is acceptable.
2) I'm not sure any of us want to pick a SoG. None of them deserve it.
Quote from: 1SE on January 31, 2026, 11:52:52 PMRoster construction aside, this team has executed poorly in"winning time" pretty much all year. That's either because Shaka is dialing up bad choices or his players aren't exectuing the good ones - both on him.
Just because we are now playing better than the absolute dumpster fire of a few weeks ago doesn't excuse the otherwise really subpar in game coaching this year.
I'll still hold out hope for the BET because never say die, but we have get to see this team close games in a way that gives me any confidence we won't see and early exit.
Exactly. All year I've been saying my concerns are much more than just roster construction, but most people are still only on that. The truth is there have been mind-boggling coaching decisions throughout this season. It's wacky as eff and very concerning as we think about the future.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2026, 09:11:10 AMExactly. All year I've been saying my concerns are much more than just roster construction, but most people are still only on that. The truth is there have been mind-boggling coaching decisions throughout this season. It's wacky as eff and very concerning as we think about the future.
Crazy it's taken a Sean jones injury and tre Norman/caedin Hamilton consistently putting in some of the worst performances ever seen in a Marquette uniform to change the rotations for the better.
Absolutely insane behavior playing Hamilton over parham.
Quote from: panda on February 01, 2026, 09:27:57 AMCrazy it's taken a Sean jones injury and tre Norman/caedin Hamilton consistently putting in some of the worst performances ever seen in a Marquette uniform to change the rotations for the better.
Absolutely insane behavior playing Hamilton over parham.
I've tried to come up with plausible explanations. There's only one - which I don't believe to be the case - that I get to a spot where I go, "OK, this makes sense"... and that is Shaka had a huge bet on under X wins for MU this season.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 01, 2026, 12:11:34 AMIt seems simple to me. Chase Ross cannot be on the court with less than 2 minutes left in a close game. In fact, I'd like to see him benched for the next game in favor of Owens or Phillips just to see how they could do with serious minutes. Why not? What is there to lose?
He lost all mojo and is a complete dumpster fire... 🔥 it really would be better to move on with his minutes at this point but Shaka wouldn't do that...
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2026, 09:40:04 AMI've tried to come up with plausible explanations. There's only one - which I don't believe to be the case - that I get to a spot where I go, "OK, this makes sense"... and that is Shaka had a huge bet on under X wins for MU this season.
Playing Caedin Hamilton and others over who is playing now and taking this long to realize is more damaging to shaka's rep than him pulling a Pete rose and betting on his team imo.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2026, 09:11:10 AMExactly. All year I've been saying my concerns are much more than just roster construction, but most people are still only on that. The truth is there have been mind-boggling coaching decisions throughout this season. It's wacky as eff and very concerning as we think about the future.
Based on the rotations lately he seems to have figured some parts of it out. Why it took him so long is unclear. JB, besides playing the wrong players and sticking with them for so long, what other decisions are you most concerned about now. Current substitution patterns? Particular offensive and defensive schemes? Not enough allocation of time to particular players (Owens, Phillips, Clark)? Just curious about your thoughts. Also, were there concerns over the previous four years as well. Something that held MU back from taking advantage of the last run.
He played the guys who worked harder and set the right example in practice, and that's an acceptable move regardless of talent level to begin a season with so many "newcomers" to their roles imo.
The problem became that he stuck with it for far too long, even after it was plain as day that it would not work.
It wasn't only obvious to him, it was very clear to simpletons.
Sticking with it is an exemplary attribute, more people need it and coach has it.
However, as we've seen it definitely has its flaws
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 01, 2026, 10:11:07 AMBased on the rotations lately he seems to have figured some parts of it out. Why it took him so long is unclear. JB, besides playing the wrong players and sticking with them for so long, what other decisions are you most concerned about now. Current substitution patterns? Particular offensive and defensive schemes? Not enough allocation of time to particular players (Owens, Phillips, Clark)? Just curious about your thoughts. Also, were there concerns over the previous four years as well. Something that held MU back from taking advantage of the last run.
The substitution patterns were batsh1t crazy; better now. Owens sitting early I didn't like. I get that he had/has issues, but his ceiling is just so much higher than some of the other guys that I didn't like him being pinned to the bench early this year.
Defensive schemes and decisions have been bonkers at times. Maybe it's mostly personnel but he keeps trying, but some of the breakdowns leading to gimme-baskets for the opponent are difficult to watch.
End of game and other situational plans and certainly execution.. wacko.
And, don't like the some of the other stuff 'off the court' such as Zaide and The Altercation.
Oh well. Hope we can pull off a few more wins and shine some light on the new guys... and I'm hoping Benny and Chase go off a couple of times and end on a better note. #pray
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 01, 2026, 09:11:10 AMExactly. All year I've been saying my concerns are much more than just roster construction, but most people are still only on that. The truth is there have been mind-boggling coaching decisions throughout this season. It's wacky as eff and very concerning as we think about the future.
I think we're seeing that there was enough talent for this to have been a bubble team - just like we and everyone else thought - but that assumed the right lineups and solid in game coaching (remember when we used to be team second half? I wanted to punch Johnny Exclamation Point Fanta in the mouth and see how HE'D react every time he made some asinine cliche about SHs 2nd half prowess)
Quote from: wadesworld on February 01, 2026, 09:09:47 AMThis you?
Yes.
I don't know how many times this has to be said. This is an unserious board where unserious things are said in the heat of embarrassing disappointment.
Marquette is factually better off with Shaka getting his head out of the sand, than starting over with someone else. Will he? Is the question. We shall see. I don't have confidence in it, but I hope he does because he could probably have some pretty good seasons with Nigel James leading the team if he adds actually basketball players to the mix. It would be a shame not to. It would be a real shame.
I think this offseason is his last chance. If he doesn't use the portal and the team is uncompetitive again, he will be gone and I'm not sure why he's doing this to himself. Oh well I guess.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 01, 2026, 10:55:07 AMYes.
I don't know how many times this has to be said. This is an unserious board where unserious things are said in the heat of embarrassing disappointment.
Marquette is factually better off with Shaka getting his head out of the sand, than starting over with someone else. Will he? Is the question. We shall see. I don't have confidence in it, but I hope he does because he could probably have some pretty good seasons with Nigel James leading the team if he adds actually basketball players to the mix. It would be a shame not to. It would be a real shame.
I think this offseason is his last chance. If he doesn't use the portal and the team is uncompetitive again, he will be gone and I'm not sure why he's doing this to himself. Oh well I guess.
And even with all that being said if his plan is to not use the portal yet again, then yes, it is best we move on from him as soon as possible. We are better off if Shaka stays and uses the portal but if he is going to remain stubborn then we are better off ripping off the band aid and finding someone that will.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2026, 08:39:35 AMWhile I am not as confident as you are regarding "ability to beat everyone but UCONN and St. Johns", I agree with your SH comments regarding talent. But rather than focusing on lack of experience, I see lack of confidence, intelligent decision making, ball movement, not knowing where teammates are, and the discipline that comes with a well-coached team. The all-too-familiar deer in the headlights looks in yesterday's game once again were clearly present.
I wouldn't mind having Clark in a MU uniform. SH's inferior talent is 16-6 to our superior talent at 8-14.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2026, 11:39:16 AMI wouldn't mind having Clark in a MU uniform.
Sure, but my point was that I do not think it was a talent disparity. I listed some other factors that I thought accounted for yet another blown chance at a W.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2026, 08:39:35 AMWhile I am not as confident as you are regarding "ability to beat everyone but UCONN and St. Johns", I agree with your SH comments regarding talent. But rather than focusing on lack of experience, I see lack of confidence, intelligent decision making, ball movement, not knowing where teammates are, and the discipline that comes with a well-coached team. The all-too-familiar deer in the headlights looks in yesterday's game once again were clearly present.
Don't you think that those things usually come with more experience?
Kam, TK, O Max, and Oso all took time there too. They just had more experienced, steady guys leading them on the court.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 01, 2026, 11:47:13 AMDon't you think that those things usually come with more experience?
Kam, TK, O Max, and Oso all took time there too. They just had more experienced, steady guys leading them on the court.
Fair, but the extent/depth of the problems I listed seems deeper to me than it should be. And Ben and Chase? This is their final season. They have 8 more regular season games to show us what they can do.
Quote from: 1SE on February 01, 2026, 10:15:48 AMI think we're seeing that there was enough talent for this to have been a bubble team - just like we and everyone else thought - but that assumed the right lineups and solid in game coaching (remember when we used to be team second half? I wanted to punch Johnny Exclamation Point Fanta in the mouth and see how HE'D react every time he made some asinine cliche about SHs 2nd half prowess)
A bubble team for what tournament? Maybe the NIT. There's not enough talent to be a bubble team, and Shaka completely missing on the junior class means that while we have roster continuity, all but 2 of the contributors are underclassmen who have very little experience at this level of basketball, so there was always going to be a learning curve even if the rotations were right from the start.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2026, 11:43:52 AMSure, but my point was that I do not think it was a talent disparity. I listed some other factors that I thought accounted for yet another blown chance at a W.
You did agree with Shooter that we have a better talented team than SH who beat us twice and has a winning record which is absurd. The only stat that matters are the Ws and Ls.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2026, 12:10:11 PMYou did agree with Shooter that we have a better talented team than SH who beat us twice and has a winning record which is absurd. The only stat that matters are the Ws and Ls.
And I said that that I thought there were other reasons for the loss and listed them. This time of year there are no cherries on the trees, so stop trying to pick them.
That's absurd. ;D
But hey! You got the W/Ls right. Kudos!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 31, 2026, 08:22:34 PMWhat's next? Forfeiting the remaining games? If an individual scooper wants to go "on hiatus", DO it! No need to close it down for any one scooper.
Then no one should complain about repeating all the deficiencies of individual players, will the 26 class actually produce, the team in general, the coaching staff, the coach, and do we have the money to get the best HS recruits or players elsewhere. I repeat the off season cannot come soon enough to see where the program is headed.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2026, 12:23:48 PMAnd I said that that I thought there were other reasons for the loss and listed them. This time of year there are no cherries on the trees, so stop trying to pick them. That's absurd. ;D
But hey! You got the W/Ls right. Kudos!
...but you were certainly picking them for why we lost.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2026, 12:29:33 PMThen no one should complain about repeating all the deficiencies of individual players, will the 26 class actually produce, the team in general, the coaching staff, the coach, and do we have the money to get the best HS recruits or players elsewhere. I repeat the off season cannot come soon enough to see where the program is headed.
Repeating and asking questions are things you are very good at. Again-Kudos!
Your idea of going on a hiatus from scoop until things are clearer going forward in the off season is your best idea yet, but only for yourself.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2026, 12:32:41 PM...but you were certainly picking them for why we lost.
How did you get to be the age you are and still not understand what "picking cherries" means? ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2026, 12:38:20 PMHow did you get to be the age you are and still not understand what "picking cherries" means? ;D
it also means picking the best reasons to make a point.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 01, 2026, 11:51:12 AMFair, but the extent/depth of the problems I listed seems deeper to me than it should be. And Ben and Chase? This is their final season. They have 8 more regular season games to show us what they can do.
What you see is what you get from Ben and Ross. I expect more of the same the next 8 games. Season is almost over. This will be one of the more interesting off seasons at MU in a long time.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 01, 2026, 10:55:07 AMI don't know how many times this has to be said. This is an unserious board where unserious things are said in the heat of embarrassing disappointment.
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I am enjoying watching the sausage being made, the growth, the becoming. Adversity reveals character and gives us all a chance to be better.
I enjoy Big East championships more.
Shaka Smart, if you read Scoop, pay attention to me and only me. I'm the smart one.
DM if you need some ideas.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 07:45:41 PMTrust me, most casual fans have already moved on. Appreciate those of you still hanging on, there aren't many.
Thanks Rocky. Shaka needs to do a 180 quickly to get the casual fans back.
If continuing like this gets you to enter the fan portal, it will have been worth it.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 07:45:41 PMTrust me, most casual fans have already moved on. Appreciate those of you still hanging on, there aren't many.
Thanks Rocky. Shaka needs to do a 180 quickly to get the casual fans back.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2026, 08:28:59 PMSeton Hall has been better than Marquette all year, home or away. Today was entirely expected.
Yes and thney are better with a whole bunch of transfers.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2026, 02:34:44 PMIf continuing like this gets you to enter the fan portal, it will have been worth it.
Ha! Need those fans to help pay the bills. SRO should be the goal!
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2026, 02:20:02 PMI am enjoying watching the sausage being made, the growth, the becoming. Adversity reveals character and gives us all a chance to be better.
I enjoy Big East championships more.
I hope James Jr. feels the same way.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 01, 2026, 05:10:20 PMI hope James Jr. feels the same way.
I'd be shocked if he's not back.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 01, 2026, 05:10:20 PMI hope James Jr. feels the same way.
I hope the 14 projected scholarship players for next season feel the same way.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2026, 05:14:01 PMI hope the 14 projected scholarship players for next season feel the same way.
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 01, 2026, 05:12:08 PMI'd be shocked if he's not back.
My Shock Meter Ratings
preseason "MU has 18+ loses" 10/10
now "James not retuning" 8/10
So I do agree with you, but it would be less shocking than this season. So I'm not ruling out being shocked.
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Like I always told my kids, your face is going to freeze like that.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2026, 05:48:18 PMLike I always told my kids, your face is going to freeze like that.
I'm actually afraid it might if the 14 projected scholarship players for next season are all there to start the season.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 01, 2026, 05:45:54 PMMy Shock Meter Ratings
preseason "MU has 18+ loses" 10/10
now "James not retuning" 8/10
So I do agree with you, but it would be less shocking than this season. So I'm not ruling out being shocked.
I thought you were unShakable.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2026, 05:14:01 PMI hope the 14 projected scholarship players for next season feel the same way.
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I would love to have as much retention as possible. But we've now seen what happens when your senior class is average to below average and your junior class is a complete zero.
I'm not a fan of telling a kid who wants to be here to pack his bags. However, RGV is useless without the "V" and I think we need two open spots going into the offseason.
We have one with Zaide's departure. I'm not sure why Sean would want to come back to play 10 MPG behind Nigel. There's your two spots and we'll see what happens with Hamilton and Norman.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 01, 2026, 02:35:51 PMThanks Rocky. Shaka needs to do a 180 quickly to get the casual fans back.Yes and thney are better with a whole bunch of transfers.
...but we have superior talent according to some here. Yes a 180 would be appreciated.
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I would love to have as much retention as possible. But we've now seen what happens when your senior class is average to below average and your junior class is a complete zero.
I'm not a fan of telling a kid who wants to be here to pack his bags. However, RGV is useless without the "V" and I think we need two open spots going into the offseason.
We have one with Zaide's departure. I'm not sure why Sean would want to come back to play 10 MPG behind Nigel. There's your two spots and we'll see what happens with Hamilton and Norman.
If the coach is not going to cut them why would any of them leave if they're being paid and getting a 70+K scholarship. You really think they'll wind up better elsewhere?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2026, 10:00:37 AMIf the coach is not going to cut them why would any of them leave if they're being paid and getting a 70+K scholarship. You really think they'll wind up better elsewhere?
It's certainly a possibility, especially for Tre and Caedin.
After all of Sean's injuries, I could see him wanting the opportunity to actually play extended minutes. I could certainly see a mid-major giving him that chance.
If he doesn't play again this season, I could also see him trying to get another year of eligibility (but not sure how likely that would be).
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2026, 10:00:37 AMIf the coach is not going to cut them why would any of them leave if they're being paid and getting a 70+K scholarship. You really think they'll wind up better elsewhere?
I 100% follow the logic here and I believe it can apply to many MU players. The troubling take-a-way from your (and others) conclusions is that it begs to question Shaka's evaluation of players he is recruiting. He appears to have a blind spot concerning the competitive drive of the young men he is bringing in. I think great coaches can usually get a feel for who is willing to push themselves for the team and their own personal growth. The case being made that many players are in it just for a payday should be a potential red flag as to the kind of players Shaka is bringing to MU.
That said, if I was at MU and determined I had no future in basketball, I think I'd wave the white flag, do my part and cash the checks also. It is not unreasonable.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 02, 2026, 10:28:33 AMIt's certainly a possibility, especially for Tre and Caedin.
After all of Sean's injuries, I could see him wanting the opportunity to actually play extended minutes. I could certainly see a mid-major giving him that chance.
If he doesn't play again this season, I could also see him trying to get another year of eligibility (but not sure how likely that would be).
So he would give up a D1 NIL and revenue share to go to a mid major just to play more?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2026, 12:55:32 PMSo he would give up a D1 NIL and revenue share to go to a mid major just to play more?
If he has any serious aspirations of playing beyond college, he needs to actually play in college.
Really depends on what he wants. If he wants to become a better player and be noticed by (international) scouts, he needs to get on the court. If he thinks his playing days are over, then maybe he prefers to stay.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2026, 12:55:32 PMSo he would give up a D1 NIL and revenue share to go to a mid major just to play more?
He would still be in D1 and receive NIL. How that would potentially compare to what he gets at Marquette, I don't know.
And, as Pakuni said, there are other considerations if he intends to try to continue playing beyond college.
I do think we have more talent than SH. We bring this team back they will be better and competitive next year. A reliable defensive big via portal seems like a no brainer - and I say that as one of the few (only?) fans who think Clark and Hamilton are going to be good eventually.
Our W/L seems to me to be on Shaka/coaches rather than the talent. In SH game why did he not have DO on Clark the majority of game? He could have shut him down and Clark was the key to the game. The 1st half of season missed lay ups and open 3s, the substitutions and end game plays - they all point to coaching misses.. Shaka has always played alot of weird combos for what I assume are long term developmental purposes and retention. It has burned him before. He has just had a horrible year - it happens. The long term trajectory this same coach has put us on tho I think is the best one for being consistently in top tier of Big East in the NIL era. I am with Tower in that the adversity will pay off and Shaka and the team will ultimately be better for it - a shame this season was a loss but thats life. The long term is we retain our players and they get older and we have an old team full of 23 year old redshirts year after year - in a NIL model we can afford and sustain. Some of the 5 year bigs other teams got in the portal were probably not much better than Hamilton in year 2/3 of their career but were more than serviceable in year 4/5. Get a big to smooth over til they get there - I like our guards and wings - stick with them...
Quote from: milwaukee expat on February 02, 2026, 01:30:46 PMI do think we have more talent than SH. We bring this team back they will be better and competitive next year. A reliable defensive big via portal seems like a no brainer - and I say that as one of the few (only?) fans who think Clark and Hamilton are going to be good eventually.
Our W/L seems to me to be on Shaka/coaches rather than the talent. In SH game why did he not have DO on Clark the majority of game? He could have shut him down and Clark was the key to the game. The 1st half of season missed lay ups and open 3s, the substitutions and end game plays - they all point to coaching misses.. Shaka has always played alot of weird combos for what I assume are long term developmental purposes and retention. It has burned him before. He has just had a horrible year - it happens. The long term trajectory this same coach has put us on tho I think is the best one for being consistently in top tier of Big East in the NIL era. I am with Tower in that the adversity will pay off and Shaka and the team will ultimately be better for it - a shame this season was a loss but thats life. The long term is we retain our players and they get older and we have an old team full of 23 year old redshirts year after year - in a NIL model we can afford and sustain. Some of the 5 year bigs other teams got in the portal were probably not much better than Hamilton in year 2/3 of their career but were more than serviceable in year 4/5. Get a big to smooth over til they get there - I like our guards and wings - stick with them...
Dr. Vs post on the trajectory of our scoring over the years was just devastating. We have no idea if there is an NJ in the 26 class as it is all hope and high expectations. Having said all this I hope you're right, but I'll hold judgement until I see winning performance on the court and our Donors pony up for players for the top 75 HS recruits or transfers.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2026, 02:19:54 PMand our Donors pony up for players for the top 75 HS recruits or transfers.
If you can afford to live in NJ,
you can pony up too.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 02, 2026, 02:33:40 PMIf you can afford to live in NJ, you can pony up too.
I am no whale, more like a guppy.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 02, 2026, 03:52:20 PMI am no whale, more like a guppy.
No problem. I'll pony up. I'm a manatee.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2026, 05:14:01 PMI hope the 14 projected scholarship players for next season feel the same way.
Alright here comes a hypothetical
If Shaka calls you the day after we lose in the big east tournament (which is looking like Thursday) and says, ok tower you're calling the shots this offseason. What should I do? Do you really say, bring everyone back? That's insane
Quote from: swoopem on February 02, 2026, 07:24:32 PMAlright here comes a hypothetical
If Shaka calls you the day after we lose in the big east tournament (which is looking like Thursday) and says, ok tower you're calling the shots this offseason. What should I do? Do you really say, bring everyone back? That's insane
I wouldn't run off players who want to stay. And I have said what I am looking for if there is only one player. So, how much money do I have to play with?
If only one more player leaves, if that player is a guard or wing, I look for a second combo guard. If that player is Royce or one of the 3 centers, I look for a 6'9 stretch 4.
Please, Shaka, block scoop on any and all devices of players and coaches.
Quote from: swoopem on February 02, 2026, 07:24:32 PMIf Shaka calls you the day after we lose in the big east tournament (which is looking like Thursday)
Whaaaat? Who do you have us beating? #COLE
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 02, 2026, 08:34:04 PMWhaaaat? Who do you have us beating? #COLE
I initially thought that too, but then realized he meant shaka calls on Thursday. #comprehension
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2026, 07:38:01 PMI wouldn't run off players who want to stay. And I have said what I am looking for if there is only one player. So, how much money do I have to play with?
If only one more player leaves, if that player is a guard or wing, I look for a second combo guard. If that player is Royce or one of the 3 centers, I look for a 6'9 stretch 4.
Please, Shaka, block scoop on any and all devices of players and coaches.
Would you be 100% honest about their roll and PT on the team going forward?
I have no idea how the roster will shake out next season. If MU misses the tournament again next year, then I think Shaka's seat will be pretty warm. This season has been an inexcusable debacle, with MU sitting near the bottom of the league and having a losing record in non-conference. How Shaka gets them back into the tournament is up to him. Heading into next year with Hamilton, Clark, and Pearson (i.e., no proven layer) at the 5 would be a bold move.
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2026, 07:38:01 PMI wouldn't run off players who want to stay. And I have said what I am looking for if there is only one player. So, how much money do I have to play with?
If only one more player leaves, if that player is a guard or wing, I look for a second combo guard. If that player is Royce or one of the 3 centers, I look for a 6'9 stretch 4.
Please, Shaka, block scoop on any and all devices of players and coaches.
1- To answer the original question in the thread topic, I don't think Shaka reads scoop but his assistants might.
2- Shaka's responsibility is to win, above all else. If he sees no path to playing time for player(s) X, or XYZ, that wouldn't be running them off.
Now, if player X is ok collecting an inflated paycheck and just practicing with the boys, as in the scenario above, I would hope the system has creating an appropriate sum of money that doesnt affect the rest of th roster construction. If it doesn't, and player and coach are ok with the funds player X is to receive while just being a valued teammate and practice guy, and there is a spot for someone on Shaka's bench then ok.
If not, Shaka's responsibility to win supersedes player Xs relationship and growth within the program. So if Shaka retains and pays someone to not add value on gameday, and the wins don't come, then it's on coach
Quote from: DoctorV on February 02, 2026, 11:16:29 PM2- Now, if player X is ok collecting an inflated paycheck and just practicing with the boys,
I would hope that Zaide knew he was worth more than both Sean and Tre, and Shaka would agree. But that didn't happen.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 02, 2026, 09:11:23 PMWould you be 100% honest about their roll and PT on the team going forward?
Explaining their role is how most coaches roll. It is part of the job. Do you think Shaka isn't? Do you think he wasn't honest with Zaide?
If the remaining 14 all return, how many do you think already have defined roles? 2? Possibly 3? If you think that Shaka erred starting Caedin based on his offseason practice performance, wouldn't it be an even bigger error to pre-assign roles before the offseason work begins?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 02, 2026, 09:11:23 PMWould you be 100% honest about their roll and PT on the team going forward?
You callin them fat??
Perhaps he meant bankroll. Although I suspect he meant their place on the payroll.
I think that one of the challenges of this year was that, going into the season, roles were less clear than in the past few years. No surprise, really, as the full core of Shaka's early success at MU was gone, and there was uncertainty about who might step up. I'm with you, Tower, that pre-defining roles can be dangerous, and I think that the more recent positive showing by individuals and as a team has been partly a result of clarifying roles and rotations. (I also feel that Zaide's departure may have proven a net positive and that Sean's injury took pressure off of Shaka to take away the starting role from him.)
I disagree, though, with the idea that you wouldn't (and your implication that Shaka shouldn't) "run off players who want to stay." I think that would be Shaka doing a disservice to the team and avoiding his responsibility to lead and make the tough calls to foster a winning program. I get the value of commitment and of mentoring young men but, at some point, Shaka needs to acknowledge his duty to win and to use the range of resources available to help put a winning product on the court.
I have been 100% comfortable with Shaka not running players off in previous years, as I appreciate the RGV approach and, frankly, it's worked fairly well. But, with a clear gap in talent this year and limited scholarship openings heading into this coming offseason, he needs to make the tough call. He needs to use Zaide's place and facilitate 1-3 more openings and fill them with players who will be expected to immediately challenge/surpass current roster members for playing time.
I wasn't the one asked what I would say to Shaka, but it would be this: Be the leader by making the hard choice(s) to show that, at the end of the day, the Victory part of RGV is equal to the R and the G.
Finally, with this notion of the hot seat: if Shaka doesn't make offseason changes to his RGV approach (ie, fill 1 or more spaces with transfer portal guys), then I think his seat will be very warm heading into the 2026-27 season. Success (top third finish in the BEast and getting into the NCAA tournament, at a minimum) would possibly save him, but no changes and same results as this year and he gone.
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2026, 05:44:53 AMExplaining their role is how most coaches roll. It is part of the job. Do you think Shaka isn't? Do you think he wasn't honest with Zaide?
If the remaining 14 all return, how many do you think already have defined roles? 2? Possibly 3? If you think that Shaka erred starting Caedin based on his offseason practice performance, wouldn't it be an even bigger error to pre-assign roles before the offseason work begins?
I was not commenting on how Shaka runs thing, but your statement that 'you wouldn't run off players'.
I believe Shaka will be honest, that will likely result in transfers, but I wouldn't define that as running off players.
I don't think coaches should BS players to be kind or loyal. Tell them how it is and let them decide.
I think it likely Shaka is always honest with his players. I think he prides himself on it. And I think it is why he won't run off players.
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2026, 07:45:10 AMI think it likely Shaka is always honest with his players. I think he prides himself on it. And I think it is why he won't run off players.
Shake will not "run" any player off. Players know where they sit in the rotations. If they want to play more, then another program may be the answer. He will not buzz cut anyone.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 02, 2026, 08:41:14 PMI initially thought that too, but then realized he meant shaka calls on Thursday. #comprehension
Correct. Wednesday loss, Shaka calls on Thursday, and then it seems like Tower would want the same team back in the Al Friday.
I'm hoping Tre, Sean, and Caedin (maybe Josh too) are heading to General Mitchell Friday morning
Quote from: swoopem on February 03, 2026, 07:56:10 AMCorrect. Wednesday loss, Shaka calls on Thursday, and then it seems like Tower would want the same team back in the Al Friday.
I'm hoping Tre, Sean, and Caedin (maybe Josh too) are heading to General Mitchell Friday morning
Sorry for the misread.
But, I do want them to stay through the semester and keep the GPA up and not negatively affect APR!
Quote from: tower912 on February 02, 2026, 07:38:01 PMI wouldn't run off players who want to stay. And I have said what I am looking for if there is only one player. So, how much money do I have to play with?
If only one more player leaves, if that player is a guard or wing, I look for a second combo guard. If that player is Royce or one of the 3 centers, I look for a 6'9 stretch 4.
Please, Shaka, block scoop on any and all devices of players and coaches.
It didn't help Wojo.
The players are technically not employees, but are being compensated via NIL/ Revenue Sharing. Even if they are not cutting it, you are still OK with them staying? If the entire '26 class is a bust, your OK with Shaka keeping them on for the next 3 years? If the '27 class is a bust will keep them too?
In the real world performance matters.
Sure, you sound like the Badger fans that said Bo never cut anyone, they just lost the love for the game of basketball and left the team.
With $M at stake and a job on the line, pretty sure ALL teams "run" players off.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 03, 2026, 07:55:42 AMShake will not "run" any player off. Players know where they sit in the rotations. If they want to play more, then another program may be the answer. He will not buzz cut anyone.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 03, 2026, 12:21:52 PMIt didn't help Wojo.
The players are technically not employees, but are being compensated via NIL/ Revenue Sharing. Even if they are not cutting it, you are still OK with them staying? If the entire '26 class is a bust, your OK with Shaka keeping them on for the next 3 years? If the '27 class is a bust will keep them too?
In the real world performance matters.
In the real world CEOs run companies into the ground and receive golden parachutes. Go through multiple bankruptcies, are sexual predators, still get supported.
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2026, 01:42:00 PMIn the real world CEOs run companies into the ground and receive golden parachutes. Go through multiple bankruptcies, are sexual predators, still get supported.
In the real world of college athletics, the coaches and athletic directors are the CEOs. The players are just the labor.
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2026, 01:42:00 PMIn the real world CEOs run companies into the ground and receive golden parachutes. Go through multiple bankruptcies, are sexual predators, still get supported.
Just like Wojo (without the sexual predator non-sense) and maybe Shaka is next. In this new era of college basketball players just might be getting golden parachutes when told to move on.
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2026, 01:42:00 PMIn the real world CEOs run companies into the ground and receive golden parachutes. Go through multiple bankruptcies, are sexual predators, still get supported.
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So weird.
In the real world some CEOs get paid solely on performance. Should MU do that with the players? Also, some NBA, MLB and NFL players get paid to not even play.
The "run off" vs "be honest about a player's role" is a distinction without a difference. Which term you use is largely dependent on whether you're team is doing it or some other team.
If a coach sits a player down at the end of the season and says, "Listen, son, you're a great kid, but I see no path to you having a role on this team next season and your NIL will reflect that," that's running the kid off.
And if NIL distributions aren't heavily influenced by a player's anticipated role ... well, that's a good way to build a losing program and culture. Cause if I'm, say, Nigel James and I'm earning substantially less than a 5 mpg guy player simply because he's been around longer, I'm outta here.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 03, 2026, 02:04:53 PMThe "run off" vs "be honest about a player's role" is a distinction without a difference. Which term you use is largely dependent on whether you're team is doing it or some other team.
If a coach sits a player down at the end of the season and says, "Listen, son, you're a great kid, but I see no path to you having a role on this team next season and your NIL will reflect that," that's running the kid off.
And if NIL distributions aren't heavily influenced by a player's anticipated role ... well, that's a good way to build a losing program and culture. Cause if I'm, say, Nigel James and I'm earning substantially less than a 5 mpg guy player simply because he's been around longer, I'm outta here.
Actually, the bolded phrased should end with "and you will no longer have a scholarship" to be running the kid off. In today's NCAA, NIL pay might in effect convince a guy to leave, but it is really the scholarship limits that push a guy out the door. No openings, no new players. For Shaka, for next year, no pulled scholarships, no notable change in the roster heading into 2026-27. And, to me, that's worrisome. He needs to be willing to have more than one open scholarship this coming offseason
Quote from: mug644 on February 03, 2026, 02:24:56 PMActually, the bolded phrased should end with "and you will no longer have a scholarship" to be running the kid off. In today's NCAA, NIL pay might in effect convince a guy to leave, but it is really the scholarship limits that push a guy out the door. No openings, no new players. For Shaka, for next year, no pulled scholarships, no notable change in the roster heading into 2026-27. And, to me, that's worrisome. He needs to be willing to have more than one open scholarship this coming offseason
Exactly. It only hurts the program if he doesn't. Retention only works if the player is proving his worth. There should at the very least be 4 openings for the portal/elsewhere this off season. I would give Clark another year to see if he can contribute.
Quote from: mug644 on February 03, 2026, 02:24:56 PMActually, the bolded phrased should end with "and you will no longer have a scholarship" to be running the kid off. In today's NCAA, NIL pay might in effect convince a guy to leave, but it is really the scholarship limits that push a guy out the door. No openings, no new players. For Shaka, for next year, no pulled scholarships, no notable change in the roster heading into 2026-27. And, to me, that's worrisome. He needs to be willing to have more than one open scholarship this coming offseason
Is Shaka
really allowing the
players to make the final decision as to whether or not they are on the '26-27' team? Does RGV include tenure for any player who signs up with Marquette?
Deduct our 5 cupcake wins, including the one that we just barely won, and we are 3-15 vs major conference opponents. Two of those Ws are by 1 point. But let's hope our coach will not "run off" the worst players to make room for transfers with demonstrable skills. That would not be nice.
The analogy to business decisions requiring that poor performing employees need to be replaced with better performing ones is apropos for discussing the poor performances of some of Marquette's bball players who need to be replaced. For someone who risked his entire savings in founding a company, ridiculing this analogy is not only very offensive but also profoundly ignorant. I speak from personal experience, having to make often difficult personnel decisions, but my employees ' signatures were not on any loan documents. They were not liable for the company's debts. I was. So I made the final decisions. Not them.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 03, 2026, 06:40:27 PMIs Shaka really allowing the players to make the final decision as to whether or not they are on the '26-27' team? Does RGV include tenure for any player who signs up with Marquette?
Deduct our 5 cupcake wins, including the one that we just barely won, and we are 3-15 vs major conference opponents. Two of those Ws are by 1 point. But let's hope our coach will not "run off" the worst players to make room for transfers with demonstrable skills. That would not be nice.
As long as they're trying hard in practice then it's all good
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 03, 2026, 12:21:52 PMIt didn't help Wojo.
The players are technically not employees, but are being compensated via NIL/ Revenue Sharing. Even if they are not cutting it, you are still OK with them staying? If the entire '26 class is a bust, your OK with Shaka keeping them on for the next 3 years? If the '27 class is a bust will keep them too?
In the real world performance matters.
Not really...
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2026, 02:02:15 PM::)
So weird.
In the real world some CEOs get paid solely on performance. Should MU do that with the players? Also, some NBA, MLB and NFL players get paid to not even play.
Nope, CEOs is more posturing, I mean I helped take down who is currently the country's CEO in the 90's and he got rehabilitated by a fake "reality" show and book.....
The biggest problem I see is this team needs a general manager. This staff has a model that really doesn't allow for recruiting misses & they missed on an entire class and positional group. They've had some hits too, but need to be at an 80% hit rate for this to work.
If they're going to the portal, someone needs to be identifying transfer targets early, evaluating fit, and scouring every level during the season while the staff is busy worrying about season results.
Whether they like it or not, they're a professional organization now. Time to start acting like it.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 03, 2026, 09:09:03 PMNope, CEOs is more posturing, I mean I helped take down who is currently the country's CEO in the 90's and he got rehabilitated by a fake "reality" show and book.....
What??
I'm not fan of the President but this is weird stuff for a basketball forum. Just follow the rules. There are a million sites to vent on, so let's just talk hoops.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2026, 10:57:37 PMWhat??
I'm not fan of the President but this is weird stuff for a basketball forum. Just follow the rules. There are a million sites to vent on, so let's just talk hoops.
I said CEO....
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 03, 2026, 10:57:37 PMWhat??
I'm not fan of the President but this is weird stuff for a basketball forum. Just follow the rules. There are a million sites to vent on, so let's just talk hoops.
I know lots of CEO's even the aholes at Blackstone
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2026, 07:45:10 AMI think it likely Shaka is always honest with his players. I think he prides himself on it. And I think it is why he won't run off players.
But he should. Now that they are receiving compensation, they should be treated like any other employee. Either they get the job done or it's time to upgrade. Futhermore, if a "regular" student can lose their scholarship based on poor academic performance, than a basketball player can lose theirs based on poor basketball performance.
Now there is a 100 reasons why it wouldn't be smart to "cut" multiple players every year. That type of workplace generally doesn't endear itself to higher performers. But it would not be wrong to tell Caedin Hamilton for instance, who might be the worst scholarship player of the last decade, that it would be best for him to move on. He's had three seasons. He shouldn't be guaranteed two more because Shaka believed in him back in 2023.
Welcome back.
Thanks.
Regardless, I think there will be another opening next season. Sean Jones was injured in the first half of the season and will miss more than 30% of our contests. Read into that what you will.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 04, 2026, 08:20:01 AMNow that they are receiving compensation, they should be treated like any other employee. Either they get the job done or it's time to upgrade.
This!
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2026, 08:30:41 AMWelcome back.
Ditto. Maybe TAMU will return some day. I hope so.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 04, 2026, 08:57:30 AMDitto. Maybe TAMU will return some day. I hope so.
Is Reeker still gone too?
I traded messages with him in early December. Too much negativity for him.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 04, 2026, 09:07:12 AMIs Reeker still gone too?
Yes. I messaged him and he replied that he is "avoiding the misery".
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2026, 09:09:58 AMI traded messages with him in early December. Too much negativity for him.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 04, 2026, 09:13:58 AMYes. I messaged him and he replied that he is "avoiding the misery".
I mean that sounds good, but I think we all know that willie's intellectual arguments finally got the best of him.
I have never read that combination of words before.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 04, 2026, 08:20:01 AMBut he should. Now that they are receiving compensation, they should be treated like any other employee. Either they get the job done or it's time to upgrade.
It also isn't fair to the players that do put the work in and develop to keep guys that don't hold up the growth end filling upperclassman scholarships. Keeping Tre as a senior, keeping Caedin as a junior, that's doing a disservice to guys like Royce & Nigel who deserve to have teammates as talented and committed as they are.
Part of the growth is recognizing when it isn't there and the staff having the internal growth to go in a different direction when guys simply aren't good enough.
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2026, 09:09:58 AMI traded messages with him in early December. Too much negativity for him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 04, 2026, 09:35:13 AMIt also isn't fair to the players that do put the work in and develop to keep guys that don't hold up the growth end filling upperclassman scholarships. Keeping Tre as a senior, keeping Caedin as a junior, that's doing a disservice to guys like Royce & Nigel who deserve to have teammates as talented and committed as they are.
Part of the growth is recognizing when it isn't there and the staff having the internal growth to go in a different direction when guys simply aren't good enough.
Another perspective well-stated in the bolded.
To be very clear, I am NOT in the "fire Shaka " camp. I
really want the
previous version of him-along with his stunning successes- to reappear. But I'm not hopeful that will happen.
I don't know who is going to transfer, but I bet it'll just be one player. I think Shaka will max out at 2 portal additions. It seems so unlike him to swing the pendulum completely the other way. I very much want
I would be totally fine with basically everyone back next year so long as we can add a productive guard and a physical center who can rebound, defend, and score at a reasonable clip. That does require one guy moving on.
I've said this before, but I think Caedin, Sean and Tre are good "culture" guys who can add value. But one of them needs to go, while the others should keep the vibes similar to what we had with Kolek, Kam, Jop, Oso, and Stevie.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on February 04, 2026, 10:11:39 AMI don't know who is going to transfer, but I bet it'll just be one player. I think Shaka will max out at 2 portal additions. It seems so unlike him to swing the pendulum completely the other way. I very much want
I would be totally fine with basically everyone back next year so long as we can add a productive guard and a physical center who can rebound, defend, and score at a reasonable clip. That does require one guy moving on.
I've said this before, but I think Caedin, Sean and Tre are good "culture" guys who can add value. But one of them needs to go, while the others should keep the vibes similar to what we had with Kolek, Kam, Jop, Oso, and Stevie.
I agree this team can be competitive next season with 2 very good portal additions (a 5 and scoring wing are my two preference but also understand the need for a combo guard).
I also think there can be a place for a culture guy or two like Tre.
But if you want to have that luxury, you can't complete whiff on an entire class (Zaide, Tre, etc.) and have another very underwhelming class (Chase, Ben) as your upperclassmen.
I've said in another thread that I like Shaka using the added roster spots to redshirt some guys and/or to take a flier on a guy like Clark. But he might be best suited going forward to leave at least one spot open to give himself some additional flexibility.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 04, 2026, 01:18:44 PMBut he might be best suited going forward to leave at least one spot open to give himself some additional flexibility.
It's nice to find something we agree upon Vander. FWIW...I respect your opinions despite disagreeing with a fair number of them this season. Your reasoning is sound. I just wish you would see things
my way. ;D ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 04, 2026, 01:30:30 PMIt's nice to find something we agree upon Vander. FWIW...I respect your opinions despite disagreeing with a fair number of them this season. Your reasoning is sound. I just wish you would see things my way. ;D ;D
Can you remind me what we've disagreed on other than you being out on Shaka and me thinking he absolutely deserves a chance to fix it?
Granted, that is a big point of contention. :)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 04, 2026, 03:20:20 PMCan you remind me what we've disagreed on other than you being out on Shaka and me thinking he absolutely deserves a chance to fix it?
Granted, that is a big point of contention. :)
I'm not "out on Shaka" unless he insists upon going forward with RGV as his operating system. I want the original version of Shaka back for next season, not this Coach Don Quixote version of him. He deserves a chance to dump his wildly unsuccessful RGV as an operating system and return Marquette to where he had us, and he needs to say adios to players like Hamilton.
There is nothing wrong with RGV. Yeah the branding of it is strange, but the core concept is fine. It just has to be flexible enough to allow for more roster turnover.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 04, 2026, 03:55:03 PMI'm not "out on Shaka" unless he insists upon going forward with RGV as his operating system. I want the original version of Shaka back for next season, not this Coach Don Quixote version of him. He deserves a chance to dump his wildly unsuccessful RGV as an operating system and return Marquette to where he had us, and he needs to say adios to players like Hamilton.
I just cannot fathom how Shaka can see guys like Kolek and Prosper and Morsell and not try to replicate that every season with 1 or 2 guys.
Quote from: tower912 on February 04, 2026, 09:09:58 AMI traded messages with him in early December. Too much negativity for him.
Ha! There were two choices for most of the year and especially early. Talk about how incompetent the team was or leave the board. There were very few positives to discuss and those positives were overshadowed by horrible substitution patterns and poor end game performances. The lack of posting is not some badge of courage or moral high ground. More than likely it's because they have become apathetic to this year of Marquette basketball. To others who have stayed, it was better to discuss the carnage than run from it. To each his own.
Thank goodness there are some real positives (there freshmen and sophomores) to discuss now and a little light at the end of the tunnel.
Agree Winning and RGV are not mutually exclusive but feel Shaka went too far with RGV this year and Shaka should allow more roster turnover. Believe This team has a chance yet at the most losses in Marquette Basketball History of well over 100 years and that should not be forgotten. But let's win and not get that record.
NM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 04, 2026, 09:55:23 PMHa! There were two choices for most of the year and especially early. Talk about how incompetent the team was or leave the board. There were very few positives to discuss and those positives were overshadowed by horrible substitution patterns and poor end game performances. The lack of posting is not some badge of courage or moral high ground. More than likely it's because they have become apathetic to this year of Marquette basketball. To others who have stayed, it was better to discuss the carnage than run from it. To each his own.
Thank goodness there are some real positives (there freshmen and sophomores) to discuss now and a little light at the end of the tunnel.
Reminds me of this quote:
"The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." - Thomas Paine, The American Crisis.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 04, 2026, 11:46:10 PMAgree Winning and RGV are not mutually exclusive but feel Shaka went too far with RGV this year and Shaka should allow more roster turnover. Believe This team has a chance yet at the most losses in Marquette Basketball History of well over 100 years and that should not be forgotten. But let's win and not get that record.
As the leader of the program (both as head coach and playing the GM role), Shaka has to be active, not passive, in relation to the bolded bit. "Shaka should facilitate more roster turnover" is how I'd put it.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 04, 2026, 08:05:04 PMThere is nothing wrong with RGV. Yeah the branding of it is strange, but the core concept is fine. It just has to be flexible enough to allow for more roster turnover.
Nothing wrong with RGV until you prioritize the R over the V and assume the G.
RGV in some form and under many different names is part of most teams. Substitute culture and improvement. Frequently cited by players and coaches.