Just brutal the last few years
David Joplin went from 40% to 36% to 32% from 3
Kam Jones went from 40% to 31% from 3
Ben Gold from 37% to 24% from 3
Chase Ross from 37% to 25% from 3
I'm not going to look up the 2P% stats but Kam and Chase certainly got worse around the rim as well.
What gives? Extra pressure of being the senior leader? The TyKo effect?
Kolek was a wizard and made all 4 of the above better, got them all great looks and much easier buckets.
Either way, the above is extremely disheartening, and a major part of why Marquette had an awful 2025 and current season.
PS- Tyler ain't walking back thru that door.
So, Coach Shaka, imo it might be time to take a deeper look into the offensive philosophy and results the offensive guru on staff brings to the table
Chase, Ben, and Sean have been absolutely ravaged by injuries during their time at MU. I can't remember a cohort with such rotten luck.
Last year was just fatigue, injuries, and depth issues.
Didn't Chase injure his shoulder at some point in his career? Was that last year? Would be interested to see his shooting percentages before and after that injury if it was last year.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 23, 2026, 10:13:48 PMDidn't Chase injure his shoulder at some point in his career? Was that last year? Would be interested to see his shooting percentages before and after that injury if it was last year.
Think that was his soph year
Not injury related
Kam and Jop were fine last season
Ben and Chase are fine this season
Health wise that is...
Kolek lead and commanded on court whereas last year we replaced a true point by sliding Kam in at the 1. He played very well all things considered, but his shooting took a hit not being able to play off ball and shoot in more of a rhythm like he was used to for 3 years. They were gassed as conference play went on.
Mechanically Ben's shot is just bad. Way too flat. Kind of makes sense that his shooting % would drop based on that alone.
This year the talent and leadership is down and obviously the team is struggling. James is awesome...as a frosh he's still finding his way to be a leader and facilitator. Seems more scoring-minded out of necessity. Ross does not have any PG instincts and has mostly been the other lead guard by default. He's been tasked with too much and forcing the issue. They're playing tighter and there isn't much flow. Shots always seem to fall more when the team is in rhythm and winning.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on January 23, 2026, 10:11:32 PMChase, Ben, and Sean have been absolutely ravaged by injuries during their time at MU. I can't remember a cohort with such rotten luck.
Last year was just fatigue, injuries, and depth issues.
We should hang a banner.
This tean doesn't have anyone that is a consistent 3pt threat. The Frosh may get there, but if you look at our other guys it's frankly incomprehensible they could be this bad. And the ones we missed today were WIDE OPEN. They're the shots coaches want. We cqn analyze why certain guys have regressed but we have seen this prob even fron the really good Shaka teams. Remember Mich St. and NC State?
So does that mean we have a philosophical issue? I don't know. Whaf I do know is we're as bad a shooting team as I can ever recall. Regardless of tweaks in strategy this needs to immediately change.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 24, 2026, 12:01:40 AMThis tean doesn't have anyone that is a consistent 3pt threat. The Frosh may get there, but if you look at our other guys it's frankly incomprehensible they could be this bad. And the ones we missed today were WIDE OPEN. They're the shots coaches want. We cqn analyze why certain guys have regressed but we have seen this prob even fron the really good Shaka teams. Remember Mich St. and NC State?
So does that mean we have a philosophical issue? I don't know. Whaf I do know is we're as bad a shooting team as I can ever recall. Regardless of tweaks in strategy this needs to immediately change.
Nothing is changing immediately. This season is cooked. Maybe 10 wins. Worst 3 point shooting in a very long time.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 24, 2026, 12:06:39 AMNothing is changing immediately. This season is cooked. Maybe 10 wins. Worst 3 point shooting in a very long time.
Fair. I'm basically talking about next season.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 23, 2026, 09:58:48 PMJust brutal the last few years
David Joplin went from 40% to 36% to 32% from 3
Kam Jones went from 40% to 31% from 3
Ben Gold from 37% to 24% from 3
Chase Ross from 37% to 25% from 3
I'm not going to look up the 2P% stats but Kam and Chase certainly got worse around the rim as well.
What gives? Extra pressure of being the senior leader? The TyKo effect?
Kolek was a wizard and made all 4 of the above better, got them all great looks and much easier buckets.
Either way, the above is extremely disheartening, and a major part of why Marquette had an awful 2025 and current season.
PS- Tyler ain't walking back thru that door.
So, Coach Shaka, imo it might be time to take a deeper look into the offensive philosophy and results the offensive guru on staff brings to the table
Relationships A-, Growth F, Victory F This is regression not Growth and Victories are far and few between. If this holds we can expect our current freshman to be worse next year.
The off season cannot come soon enough to see where the program is headed.
This team will not improve unless they pick a presence in the middle. Sheek I am sure is better than the two stiffs. Not sold on Clark, hope I am wrong, not great instincts, to soft, to young. If he is let go, I would not be disappointed. So you like at the small forwards next year, not sure there is anyone that excites me. Phillips would be smart to take a redshirt year, to skinny. Militec who knows. DO, so skinny, great athlete, poor defensive player. Then Alex, hope he can play, not like a freshman, but a solid starter. What do you guys think?
Clark is not being "let go".......I assure you. Shaka took a flyer......very low expectations. So, in that regard, he is not disappointed.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 24, 2026, 04:08:55 PMThis team will not improve unless they pick a presence in the middle. Sheek I am sure is better than the two stiffs. Not sold on Clark, hope I am wrong, not great instincts, to soft, to young. If he is let go, I would not be disappointed. So you like at the small forwards next year, not sure there is anyone that excites me. Phillips would be smart to take a redshirt year, to skinny. Militec who knows. DO, so skinny, great athlete, poor defensive player. Then Alex, hope he can play, not like a freshman, but a solid starter. What do you guys think?
Phillips is not "to" skinny and could be a guy to take a leap next season. We need shooting and he'll be one of our better options to provide it as of now.
I'd expect Johnston to RS and would be surprised if Phillips did.
DO is also not skinny.
It's much harder when you're the #1 or #2 versus being a role player.
Who cares about shooting. We have only had one worse defensive team this in the 21st century. And that team was top 10 in offense.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 25, 2026, 07:47:42 AMPhillips is not "to" skinny and could be a guy to take a leap next season. We need shooting and he'll be one of our better options to provide it as of now.
I'd expect Johnston to RS and would be surprised if Phillips did.
DO is also not skinny.
Bless your soul for actually reading a BC post. I know it's not easy.
I think Kam's shooting regression were somewhat easy to predict. I didn't think it would drop as much as it did, but being the focal point of the offense takes a much different physical toll and mental approach.
Jop became a pretty good defender largely due to increased effort and focus on that end, which the team desperately needed from him. Again, not surprised it dropped.
Chase and Ben are harder to explain. Ben's responsibilities have increased a lot, so there's that. But he's largely shooting the same spot up threes he's taken his whole career. A few percent drop wouldn't surprise me. 13% is shocking. Probably mental at this point.
Chase's defense has also fell off a cliff and his offensive responsibilities have decreased since conference play started. So I've got nothing there.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 25, 2026, 07:47:42 AMPhillips is not "to" skinny and could be a guy to take a leap next season. We need shooting and he'll be one of our better options to provide it as of now.
I'd expect Johnston to RS and would be surprised if Phillips did.
DO is also not skinny.
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Quote from: jfp61 on January 25, 2026, 09:02:04 AMWho cares about shooting. We have only had one worse defensive team this in the 21st century. And that team was top 10 in offense.
I care about shooting.
Shaka and Nevada Smith care about shooting too.
Then recruit kids that can shoot!
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 25, 2026, 05:40:26 PMThen recruit kids that can shoot!
He has but the background doesn't help
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 25, 2026, 05:40:26 PMThen recruit kids that can shoot!
If you were half as smart as you think you are...you would be the best coach in the BEAST.
Not an X and O person, but I have seen enough basketball, to understand talent, particularly high school or college talent.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 25, 2026, 08:27:18 PMNot an X and O person, but I have seen enough basketball, to understand talent, particularly high school or college talent.
Impressive, especially considering your spelling would make a third grader blush.
JaY Bee, hard to believe I got a college degree and was a president of a multi million dollar company that I started! Guess I failed English, oh well.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 26, 2026, 10:27:38 AMJaY Bee, hard to believe I got a college degree and was a president of a multi million dollar company that I started! Guess I failed English, oh well.
Didn't Scoop have a spell checker in the past? I guess the mods though it was cheaper to pay Jay Bee to be our spelling/grammar police. He snagged me more than once. The Mods better give Jay Bee a raise as he is doing a bang up job.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 26, 2026, 11:39:27 AMDidn't Scoop have a spell checker in the past?
There was a spell check feature, but now I *think* every modern browser has spell check included when typing into forms. At least for me I get a red squiggly under misspelled words...you should too.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 26, 2026, 11:39:27 AMDidn't Scoop have a spell checker in the past? I guess the mods though it was cheaper to pay Jay Bee to be our spelling/grammar police. He snagged me more than once. The Mods better give Jay Bee a raise as he is doing a bang up job.
Classic. Why don't you pay attention to his corrections and potentially improve, instead of attacking others for your spelling deficiencies.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 26, 2026, 12:26:33 PMThere was a spell check feature, but now I *think* every modern browser has spell check included when typing into forms. At least for me I get a red squiggly under misspelled words...you should too.
...but I thought it auto corrected as well, not just a squiggly. Not to make excuses but my typing skills are neither hear or their. ;D
Saw this thread title and I thought ICE murdered some 65+ folks.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2026, 02:34:51 PMSaw this thread title and I thought ICE murdered some 65+ folks.
Every time I see a reply, I assume Ben or Chase are in trouble (off of the court).
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2026, 02:34:51 PMSaw this thread title and I thought ICE murdered some 65+ folks.
The Professional Pickleball Association (PPA) classifies those 50 or older as seniors!
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 26, 2026, 03:37:32 PMThe Professional Pickleball Association (PPA) classifies those 50 or older as seniors!
Does anybody under 50 years old play pickleball?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 25, 2026, 07:47:42 AMPhillips is not "to" skinny and could be a guy to take a leap next season. We need shooting and he'll be one of our better options to provide it as of now.
I'd expect Johnston to RS and would be surprised if Phillips did.
DO is also not skinny.
Kevin Durant is also "to" skinny.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 25, 2026, 05:40:26 PMThen recruit kids that can shoot!
Agreed. Shaka doesn't seem to recruit shooters. Its also true that the players shoot worse at Marquette than when they played in high school. It seems that Shaka doesn't emphasize shooting or free throws. We've lost a lot of games because of poor free throw shooting.
Don't know if it has been brought up here but there was a recent video of Geno Auriemma and Dan Hurley talking with a reporter about the type of basketball player they recruit. First and foremost were players who could put the ball in the basket with defensive instincts and ability second. Offensive ability was a much higher priority for both. And they laughed at any other thought on the matter.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 03, 2026, 10:10:44 AMAgreed. Shaka doesn't seem to recruit shooters. Its also true that the players shoot worse at Marquette than when they played in high school. It seems that Shaka doesn't emphasize shooting or free throws. We've lost a lot of games because of poor free throw shooting.
Kam
Joplin
Parhams and Owens were prodigious scorers
Walker
Shaka has referenced your point in recent interviews.
Finally, Wojo had epic shooters.
Tre Norman's high school stats would shock a lot of people.
Quote from: Tha Hound on February 03, 2026, 01:19:17 PMTre Norman's high school stats would shock a lot of people.
Unless he was shooting 50% from three... his stats won't shock anyone. Average high schoolers arn't particularly good basketball players.
Quote from: tower912 on February 03, 2026, 10:17:58 AMKam
Joplin
Parhams and Owens were prodigious scorers
Walker
Shaka has referenced your point in recent interviews.
Finally, Wojo had epic shooters.
Kam was a Wojo recruit. Understood that Shaka had to get him to reaffirm his commitment, but let's not pretend Shaka went out and targeted him. Had Kam not previously committed, there's pretty much zero chance he winds up at Marquette.
Jop wasn't a shooter. He was above average his sophomore season coming off the bench. His shooting his last two years as a starter was thoroughly average.
Walker has played zero college basketball games.
So, your examples of "shooters" recruiting by Shaka include a guy recruited by Wojo, an average shooter and a total unknown.
Not exactly beating the charge.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 03, 2026, 10:10:44 AMAgreed. Shaka doesn't seem to recruit shooters. Its also true that the players shoot worse at Marquette than when they played in high school. It seems that Shaka doesn't emphasize shooting or free throws. We've lost a lot of games because of poor free throw shooting.
LOL
Quote from: jfp61 on February 03, 2026, 01:33:48 PMUnless he was shooting 50% from three... his stats won't shock anyone. Average high schoolers arn't particularly good basketball players.
Would not call 23.3 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 4.3 APG, and 2.0 SPG at Peach Jam an "average high schooler" but sure, whatever you say.
Quote from: Tha Hound on February 05, 2026, 01:29:11 PMWould not call 23.3 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 4.3 APG, and 2.0 SPG at Peach Jam an "average high schooler" but sure, whatever you say.
I knew these stats. And they are from the PIT. Kinda different than "Peach Jam".
And those stats shouldn't surprise people.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 26, 2026, 10:27:38 AMJaY Bee, hard to believe I got a college degree and was a president of a multi million dollar company that I started! Guess I failed English, oh well.
At least you're not failing Providence
Sean Jones and Chase Ross judged a Dunk Contest at Marquette High Tonight. Chase Ross was dunking afterward.
Just to keep things in perspective, the greatest player in the world, who entered the game as a top-5 NBA shooter from 3, went 1-for-13 Wed night. Teammate Jamal Murray went 3-for-14.
Ben is now shooting 21% from the arc since the Wisconsin game, yet still being allowed to attempt five 3s per game over the last six contests.
At what point does the staff realize his shooting is actively hurting the team and tell him to cool it a bit? Or is there really no point now?
Quote from: Pakuni on February 11, 2026, 07:27:46 PMBen is now shooting 21% from the arc since the Wisconsin game, yet still being allowed to attempt five 3s per game over the last six contests.
At what point does the staff realize his shooting is actively hurting the team and tell him to cool it a bit? Or is there really no point now?
He hit 2 late in the game yesterday to keep the team in it.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 11, 2026, 07:27:46 PMBen is now shooting 21% from the arc since the Wisconsin game, yet still being allowed to attempt five 3s per game over the last six contests.
At what point does the staff realize his shooting is actively hurting the team and tell him to cool it a bit? Or is there really no point now?
LOL. This explains why you were such a Projo. Just another awful take. But right on brand for you.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 11, 2026, 09:15:41 PMLOL. This explains why you were such a Projo. Just another awful take. But right on brand for you.
Another intelligent reply from the Magic Dawson guy.