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Title: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2026, 12:31:27 PM
The America I grew  up in is dead.  The age of rational discouse is in retrograde and the frame of American government has been bent beyond repair.  We now live in an era of values based soley on the point of view of the holder of those values.  This is not the age of Nihilism but is the age of the brute force, might makes right and the value of a thing is what I say it is.  There is no longer a sense of objective value and common purpose.  I fear that we are at the beginiing of a dark epoch as the world was before 1914. Welcome to the new age of the will to power.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: tower912 on January 22, 2026, 12:38:32 PM
Agreed.  Why I have delved deeper into my faith.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 22, 2026, 12:47:18 PM
Quote from: hawk on Today at 12:31:27 PMThe America I grew  up in is dead.  The age of rational discouse is in retrograde and the frame of American government has been bent beyond repair.  We now live in an era of values based soley on the point of view of the holder of those values.  This is not the age of Nihilism but is the age of the brute force, might makes right and the value of a thing is what I say it is.  There is no longer a sense of objective value and common purpose.  I fear that we are at the beginiing of a dark epoch as the world was before 1914. Welcome to the new age of the will to power.

People forget the horrors of the past because they haven't had to experience them first hand.

You can apply this to many things.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2026, 12:58:18 PM
It is the bane of man that he forgets.  Each iteration of igorance comes with a bigger price to pay.  The last one cost two world wars and thirty 0ne years.  any guesses as to what this episode will cost?  I have seven grandchildren aged 13 to 20 two of whom are in college.  I think that it is that generation that must become the next "great generation" but I wonder what will they have to work with?
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: tower912 on January 22, 2026, 01:00:59 PM
I have a 19 year old son.  Counting down the days until the draft is reinstated.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2026, 01:12:32 PM
Given the age of the unitary president theory, it is possible to have it start again by executive order.  That's pretty scary not so much for the draft itself but for what any new troops would be used for.  Assuming that the debacle of this presidency is unabated what does the world and America itself look like in one year or three  and beyond the 2028 election?  Oligarhs v socialists?  I can't see how anyone wins moving forward.  No president will just give up the power of the wjhite house that was gifted by the supreme court.  The very idea of equal branches has been destroyed. 
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: pbiflyer on January 22, 2026, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: tower912 on Today at 12:38:32 PMAgreed.  Why I have delved deeper into my faith.
Awesome, given your posting history you must be Catholic. That's Christian. you must take comfort in the fact that the country and the government is embracing Christianity. Just like that other country in the 1930s. ;D
Oh, and in before the lock
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2026, 03:18:40 PM
Church and state by the constitution should be seperate.  As a Christian I insist on it.  Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world.  I'd take His word for it.  While it is appropriate that faith informs politics there is no place for it in politics or government proper.  I will be long in my grave before I'm caught singing onward Cristian soldier
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 22, 2026, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: hawk on Today at 03:18:40 PMChurch and state by the constitution should be seperate.  As a Christian I insist on it.  Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world.  I'd take His word for it.  While it is appropriate that faith informs politics there is no place for it in politics or government proper.  I will be long in my grave before I'm caught singing onward Cristian soldier

A pastor at a church I attended (and with whom I still stay in touch) said during a sermon, "When politics and religion are combined, both are corrupted."
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: pbiflyer on January 22, 2026, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 03:35:44 PMA pastor at a church I attended (and with whom I still stay in touch) said during a sermon, "When politics and religion are combined, both are corrupted."
Sounds like a commie church to me!
What's next welcoming foreigners? Feeding the less fortunate?
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2026, 04:24:58 PM
The founding fathers were men of the enlightenment not Jehova.  I must agree with Bill Hoyle.  As for feeding the less fortunate and welcoming forieners, that would seem to be the Christian thing to do
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: tower912 on January 22, 2026, 04:40:56 PM
Welcoming foreigners?
The need is urgent.
Be fair.  No head games.
Don't be as cold as ICE.   That was yesterday. 
Do away with this double vision.  It makes me hot blooded.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2026, 04:49:49 PM
The trouble with blind faith (not the band) is that the faithful come to believe that faith is knowledge.  Faith is never knowledge.  Part of the problem is that everybody thinks they know the truth but the truth is they only know what they think.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: Pakuni on January 22, 2026, 04:58:53 PM
Quote from: tower912 on Today at 04:40:56 PMWelcoming foreigners?
The need is urgent.
Be fair.  No head games.
Don't be as cold as ICE.  That was yesterday. 
Do away with this double vision.  It makes me hot blooded.

I've been waiting, for a post like this to come into my life.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2026, 05:00:31 PM
Don't worry. All will be great as soon as we conquer Iceland.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: hawk on January 22, 2026, 05:59:17 PM
Kidding aside (as entertaining as it is) I have spent a year considering possible outcomes given the present condition of the government and the direction the country seems to be going.  I always try to take into account the possibility that I could be wrong but I can't seem to find a good end game for where I think we are.  It Concerns me that being born in 1951 at the begining of the ascent of the American century and now at 75 I find my country is declining faster than I am.  Any philosophy/poly sci people out there to show me light at the end of tunnel?  Been a long time coming and gonna be a long time gone. 
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: 18thandWells on January 22, 2026, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 04:58:53 PMI've been waiting, for a post like this to come into my life.
Quote from: tower912 on Today at 04:40:56 PMWelcoming foreigners?
The need is urgent.
Be fair.  No head games.
Don't be as cold as ICE.   That was yesterday. 
Do away with this double vision.  It makes me hot blooded.
I rate this post a 4.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: Shaka Shart on January 22, 2026, 07:31:41 PM
I'm suing my bank for being woke.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: jesmu84 on January 22, 2026, 07:39:42 PM
That all sounds bad.

But at least daily living is affordable now. And my taxes are down.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2026, 07:46:51 PM
Hey, sometimes you need a dictator.
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: tower912 on January 22, 2026, 07:48:18 PM
Failure to learn the lessons of a century ago. 
Title: Re: post modern Nietzschian dystopia
Post by: MU82 on January 22, 2026, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: tower912 on Today at 07:48:18 PMFailure to learn the lessons of a century ago. 

C'mon now. Hitler, there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon ... two coats!"
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