THIS is the radio partner of Marquette basketball? FFS. One of these is right. The others, no chance.
https://x.com/espnmilwaukee/status/2013726962955509792?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
I would submit:
PG Butch Lee
SG Dwyane Wade (Hey they got one right)
SF George Thompson
PF Bo Ellis
C Jim Chones
After that, you can argue Jae with guys like Meminger, Lucas, Kojis, Howard, and others for sixth man or second team.
After seeing Butch Lee nearly taking down the USA Olympic team single handedly playing for Puerto Rico and being the leader of the NCAA Championship team, I think he deserves to be on there. A backcourt of Wade and Lee would be unstoppable.
https://montrealgazette.com/sports/montreal-olympics-puerto-ricans-pushed-u-s-hoops-team-to-the-brink
Farming the outrage, and it worked. Sounds like they know their audience is older white dudes.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 21, 2026, 03:46:56 PMFarming the outrage, and it worked. Sounds like they know their audience is older white dudes.
That would correct if white people could read and use a computer.
Jae and Jimmy being off is ridiculous.
Someone's going to come in and say Howard though.
I think one of the interesting things about George Thompson, Butch Lee and Jerome Whitehead is that all 3 entered college at 17 years old.
George Thompson didn't turn 18 years old until November 29th of his freshman year at Marquette. Butch Lee was still 2 days away from his 18th birthday when he played against St. John's (MN) as a 17 year old on December 3, 1974. Whitehead turned 18 on September 30 of his freshman year at Riverside (CA) Community College. 3 of McGuire's most physical players finished their college careers as 21 year olds.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on January 21, 2026, 04:22:53 PMJae and Jimmy being off is ridiculous.
Someone's going to come in and say Howard though.
Jimmy doesn't belong. People vastly overrate him in the lores of MUBB
Wade is obvious
Jae at least has an argument to be on the team. Jimmy Mac seems like they just wanted to select the best/most renown player from the 90s.
Love Dom but seriously?
Markus & Kolek both have arguments to be on the team whether or not starting 5 is probably a no.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2026, 04:31:12 PMWade is obvious
Jae at least has an argument to be on the team. Jimmy Mac seems like they just wanted to select the best/most renown player from the 90s.
Love Dom but seriously?
Markus & Kolek both have arguments to be on the team whether or not starting 5 is probably a no.
Dom wasn't even the best of the 3 amigos
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 21, 2026, 04:27:59 PMJimmy doesn't belong. People vastly overrate him in the lores of MUBB
He's on the Marquette in the NBA Mount Rushmore, but his college career wasn't nearly as decorated as his pro career.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 21, 2026, 05:49:16 PMHe's on the Marquette in the NBA Mount Rushmore, but his college career wasn't nearly as decorated as his pro career.
Yeah absolutely though our nba Mount Rushmore isn't a who's who of HoF players or even all stars
Slow news day.
clickbait for small minds
Older white dude here - how can anyone argue that Butch Lee doesn't belong? He lead the Warriors to the 77 championship and was National Player of the year in 78. Remember that this is what they did at MU not in the pros (see Jimmy Butler).
Slow news day. Dumb list ...
James ? good player... but he's behind at least the following guards:
Butch Lee, McNeal, Howard, Kolek and even Kam, amount others.
I went
PG: Kolek
SG: Wade
SF: Crowder
PF: Novak
C: Chones
Kolek shot 38% and 39% from 3 his final 2 years here and 3s play in the modern game. Novak is a lights out shooter around the playmaking Wade. Crowder can shoot and is sort of interchangable with Novak at the 3/4. Chones a double-double machine as a rim presence on both sides of the floor. Shooting, defense, athleticism, passing.
I also don't think those are the best 5, just a group of 5 I'd love to see play together.
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 21, 2026, 08:01:05 PMSlow news day. Dumb list ...
James ? good player... but he's behind at least the following guards:
Butch Lee, McNeal, Howard, Kolek and even Kam, amount others.
a list created by a bunch of Gen Z sports fans who barely acknowledge anything that happened pre 2010. The only reason Mac got included is probably that he was our color analyst for many years; they would have voted Devonte at MU's greatest all-time center.
Kind of a win Homer didn't pick Novak and 4 other white dudes
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 21, 2026, 08:38:00 PMa list created by a bunch of Gen Z sports fans who barely acknowledge anything that happened pre 2010. The only reason Mac got included is probably that he was our color analyst for many years; they would have voted Devonte at MU's greatest all-time center.
Fwiw I'm a millennial and was at MU 09-14. If it was Gen Z they're voting for Theo or Luke Fischer or Oso.
Butch Lee was National Player of the Year and won only National Champioship team in '77. Yes DWade was better player but did not do what Butch did.
Pg Butch Lee
Sg Dwayne Wade
Sf Don Kojis
Pf Maurice Lucas
C Jimmy Chones
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 21, 2026, 08:38:30 PMKind of a win Homer didn't pick Novak and 4 other white dudes
All time MU white guy starting five:
Kolek
Diener
Novak
Rand
McIlvaine
All time Golden Eagles roster:
Kolek (PG)
Markus (G)
Wade (G)
Jae (PF)
Oso (C)
Bench:
Lazar (PF)
Jerel (G)
DJO (G)
Kam (G)
Diener (PG)
Quote from: Don_Kojis on January 21, 2026, 11:29:32 PMPg Butch Lee
Sg Dwayne Wade
Sf Don Kojis
Pf Maurice Lucas
C Jimmy Chones
You have 2 guys from the Al Era, so I'm going with you, not that young punk Galway.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 22, 2026, 09:20:57 AMYou have 2 guys from the Al Era, so I'm going with you, not that young punk Galway.
Haha It was just a golden eagles roster! Didn't want to offend the sensibilities of any warriors on here
Quote from: Don_Kojis on January 21, 2026, 11:29:32 PMPg Butch Lee
Sg Dwayne Wade
Sf Don Kojis
Pf Maurice Lucas
C Jimmy Chones
Tough to narrow list to five but any list has to consider Maurice Lucas. The guy defined the PF position.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 22, 2026, 09:15:09 AMAll time Golden Eagles roster:
Kolek (PG)
Markus (G)
Wade (G)
Jae (PF)
Oso (C)
Bench:
Lazar (PF)
Jerel (G)
DJO (G)
Kam (G)
Diener (PG)
would you consider players that were both Warriors and Golden Eagles? If so, I would add Tony Miller and Amal.
https://x.com/MUOverload/status/2013816850694455436
Quote from: SaveOD238 on January 22, 2026, 06:17:06 AMAll time MU white guy starting five:
Kolek
Diener
Novak
Rand
McIlvaine
You forgot Murf
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 22, 2026, 10:46:11 AMwould you consider players that were both Warriors and Golden Eagles? If so, I would add Tony Miller and Amal.
https://x.com/MUOverload/status/2013816850694455436
Hmm probably. Not sure who I'd cut though. Would need to default to the expertise of someone who was there.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 22, 2026, 10:56:48 AMHmm probably. Not sure who I'd cut though. Would need to default to the expertise of someone who was there.
I would replace DJO with Miller.
Also, since 12 used to be the usual roster size, you could go with that.
I keep thinking Hutch needs to be on there somewhere, too.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 22, 2026, 11:47:03 AMI would replace DJO with Miller.
Also, since 12 used to be the usual roster size, you could go with that.
I keep thinking Hutch needs to be on there somewhere, too.
Hutch was fun to watch.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 22, 2026, 08:09:54 AMYeah, this is a thread for July.
Hopefully in July will know if the program is going to compete in today's college sports environment and either celebrating or complaining about the direction of the program.
Bunch of old boomers in here thinking Crowder and kolek wouldn't cook some dudes from the 70s lol
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 22, 2026, 11:47:03 AMI would replace DJO with Miller.
Also, since 12 used to be the usual roster size, you could go with that.
I keep thinking Hutch needs to be on there somewhere, too.
I'll go with 12, I think DJO is underrated and people forget how great he was playing next to Jae his senior year, Jimmy & Jae junior year, and Lazar & Jimmy his freshman year. But he was the leading scorer in 2011 & 2012 and was an immediate key piece of the 2010 team to ease the pressure from lazar.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on January 22, 2026, 04:13:14 PMBunch of old boomers in here thinking Crowder and kolek wouldn't cook some dudes from the 70s lol
This is a good question. When would the decline of the player skill levels occur? 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 40 years ago? I would love to see a 1970s Butch Lee and Maurice Lucas versus Crowder and Kolek.
Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on January 21, 2026, 08:16:05 PMI went
PG: Kolek
SG: Wade
SF: Crowder
PF: Novak
C: Chones
Kolek shot 38% and 39% from 3 his final 2 years here and 3s play in the modern game. Novak is a lights out shooter around the playmaking Wade. Crowder can shoot and is sort of interchangable with Novak at the 3/4. Chones a double-double machine as a rim presence on both sides of the floor. Shooting, defense, athleticism, passing.
I also don't think those are the best 5, just a group of 5 I'd love to see play together.
If no Butch not legit
Butch Lee was the leading scorer for the only NCAA championship team in school history and national Player of the Year, but some here think he's not good enough to be on Marquette's all-time team because he's the choice of "old folks."
:o
Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2026, 01:17:23 AMButch Lee was the leading scorer for the only NCAA championship team in school history and national Player of the Year, but some here think he's not good enough to be on Marquette's all-time team because he's the choice of "old folks."
:o
And what many may not realize is those were in separate seasons. He was MOP of the Final Four and 2nd Team All-American in 1977 and NPOY and 1st team All-American in 1978.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 22, 2026, 07:42:50 PMThis is a good question. When would the decline of the player skill levels occur? 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 40 years ago? I would love to see a 1970s Butch Lee and Maurice Lucas versus Crowder and Kolek.
Probably somewhere in the 90s. There became a huge swing in trainings and practices. Plus the shear athletism of players now.
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on January 23, 2026, 08:01:29 AMProbably somewhere in the 90s. There became a huge swing in trainings and practices. Plus the shear athletism of players now.
Bigger, faster, more agile trimming of sheep?
Quote from: tower912 on January 23, 2026, 08:11:11 AMBigger, faster, more agile trimming of sheep?
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Quote from: MU82 on January 23, 2026, 01:17:23 AMButch Lee was the leading scorer for the only NCAA championship team in school history and national Player of the Year, but some here think he's not good enough to be on Marquette's all-time team because he's the choice of "old folks."
:o
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 23, 2026, 05:13:10 AMAnd what many may not realize is those were in separate seasons. He was MOP of the Final Four and 2nd Team All-American in 1977 and NPOY and 1st team All-American in 1978.
...and not to mention he almost single handedly defeated the US Olympic team in 1976.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 23, 2026, 05:13:10 AMAnd what many may not realize is those were in separate seasons. He was MOP of the Final Four and 2nd Team All-American in 1977 and NPOY and 1st team All-American in 1978.
Yup. He had a tremendous career at Marquette and was one of those directly responsible for an incredibly successful era in the school's basketball history.
These things are always subjective, but it's objectively dopey to leave Butch Lee off of any all-time Marquette team. Lee and Wade are the only total no-brainers.
And FWIW, this isn't a matter of me stumping for a guy from my time at Marquette. I arrived on campus a few months after his eligibility ended.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 21, 2026, 03:30:21 PMTHIS is the radio partner of Marquette basketball? FFS. One of these is right. The others, no chance.
https://x.com/espnmilwaukee/status/2013726962955509792?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw
I would submit:
PG Butch Lee
SG Dwyane Wade (Hey they got one right)
SF George Thompson
PF Bo Ellis
C Jim Chones
After that, you can argue Jae with guys like Meminger, Lucas, Kojis, Howard, and others for sixth man or second team.
I'd agree with four of the five, Wade, Lee, Ellis and Chones. As much as I liked George Thompson, the fifth member of the Marquette all-time team should be Maurice Lucas. He was THAT good.
Sadly, the next five are mostly older dudes as well:
Dean Meminger
Jerome Whitehead
Earl Tatum
Markus Howard
George Thompson
Jimmy Mac probably could give Jerome a run for his money. I would think Wes Matthews would give Tatum a run and maybe I could find a place for Bob Lackey, who was special.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 23, 2026, 06:29:31 PMI'd agree with four of the five, Wade, Lee, Ellis and Chones. As much as I liked George Thompson, the fifth member of the Marquette all-time team should be Maurice Lucas. He was THAT good.
Sadly, the next five are mostly older dudes as well:
Dean Meminger
Jerome Whitehead
Earl Tatum
Markus Howard
George Thompson
I would think Wes Matthews
Kolek, Crowder, Kam, Lazar, Jerel, DJO... and you say Wes? I think his NBA career is tainting your evaluation.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 23, 2026, 08:08:25 PMKolek, Crowder, Kam, Lazar, Jerel, DJO.
Kolek was a two-time All-American and also Big East POY, and he led our first Sweet 16 team in a decade. He at least deserves mention among the all-time greats.
Crowder was Big East POY as a senior, and that means something, but he only played two seasons, and his first was nothing special. Loved the others, but it's a reach to say any of them rate among our all-time top 10 IMHO.
You guys are too young and he was not well publicized on really crappy teams....
Tony Smith would go for 20 to 30 going 1 on 5 literally....
Plus he dropped 44 on the Badgersl.....
Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2026, 02:27:35 PMKolek was a two-time All-American and also Big East POY, and he led our first Sweet 16 team in a decade. He at least deserves mention among the all-time greats.
Crowder was Big East POY as a senior, and that means something, but he only played two seasons, and his first was nothing special. Loved the others, but it's a reach to say any of them rate among our all-time top 10 IMHO.
Ok first off if we're going to say Kolek was an all American it's only fair to say the same regarding Crowder. As far as the two seasons argument Wade and Chones might like a word. In terms of his first season, he averaged 12 & 7 being the third look on the team. I'm not saying that otherworldly but 99% of the time we're taking that in a heart beat.
For my general thought process:
we've had 32 all Americans, if you're in that group you warrant a look
26 that were above honorable mention to me if you among those you now definitely warrant a look.
20 were able to lead their teams to the tournament. To me that leaves the selection between the below 20
Rand, Kojis, Thompson, Meminger, Chones, Lucas, Ellis, Tatum, Walton, Lee, Whitehead, Toone, Worthen, Rivers, Wade, McNeal, Crowder, Howard, Kolek, Kam
We've had all of 5 conference POYs in our esteemed history, to me if you're one of those 5 you warrant a look and 4 are on that list of 20. I'm too young to rank everyone but I think crowder would be above the middle of the pack there.
As far as whether crowder would make top 10 all time that's tough as I don't know the old guys well enough but Id say he's closer than you're giving him credit for
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 25, 2026, 05:43:59 PMOk first off if we're going to say Kolek was an all American it's only fair to say the same regarding Crowder. As far as the two seasons argument Wade and Chones might like a word. In terms of his first season, he averaged 12 & 7 being the third look on the team. I'm not saying that otherworldly but 99% of the time we're taking that in a heart beat.
For my general thought process:
we've had 32 all Americans, if you're in that group you warrant a look
26 that were above honorable mention to me if you among those you now definitely warrant a look.
19 were able to lead their teams to the tournament. To me that leaves the selection between the below 19
Rand, Kojis, Thompson, Meminger, Chones, Lucas, Ellis, Tatum, Walton, Lee, Whitehead, Toone, Worthen, Rivers, Wade, McNeal, Crowder, Howard, Kolek
We've had all of 5 conference POYs in our esteemed history, to me if you're one of those 5 you warrant a look and 4 are on that list of 19. I'm too young to rank everyone but I think crowder would be above the middle of the pack there.
As far as whether crowder would make top 10 all time that's tough as I don't know the old guys well enough but Id say he's closer than you're giving him credit for
I honestly didn't remember Crowder being an All-American, so thanks for pointing that out.
Chones, Wade and Lucas were dominant players in each of their two seasons at Marquette, though I could see Chones getting an asterisk for not finishing his second year.