There is no explanation I can think of as to why Caedin started the 2H. I'm sorry but that's 100% on Shaka. I'm not saying we win either way, but it's less comprehendable imo than Finnegan's Wake. I hope Shaka is asked about this.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2026, 09:48:54 PMThere is no explanation I can tbink of as to why Caedin started the 2H. I'm sorry but that's 100% on Shaka. I'm not saying we win either way, but it's less comprehensible imo than Finnegam's Wake. I hope Shaka is asked about this.
That was flat out coaching malpractice on his part. It almost seems like at this point he's just running him out there to try to prove everyone else wrong.
Caedin is awful af basketball. Will be very disheartened if he returns next season.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on January 16, 2026, 09:49:57 PMThat was flat out coaching malpractice on his part. It almost seems like at this point he's just running him out there to try to prove everyone else wrong.
He can't do that.
Caedin could average 25 and 10 the rest of the year and it would still be coaching malpractice. Instead he will average 2 and 1 and get complimented for perseverance.
Nm
Scholl: "You need to replace Jake Presutti with a coach that has experience."
Wojo: "No."
Scholl: "You're fired."
Similar ultimatum needs to be made to Shaka if Caedin, Tre and Sean aren't shown the door 48 hours after the last game. This is unacceptable.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 16, 2026, 09:51:16 PMHe can't do that.
Caedin could average 25 and 10 the rest of the year and it would still be coaching malpractice. Instead he will average 2 and 1 and get complimented for perseverance.
Caedin's defense...or even presence during that stretch was ridiculous. Total ghost. I could have been out there protecting the rim. :)
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 16, 2026, 09:52:10 PMScholl: "You need to replace Jake Presutti with a coach that has experience."
Wojo: "No."
Scholl: "You're fired."
Similar ultimatum needs to be made to Shaka if Caedin, Tre and Sean aren't shown the door 48 hours after the last game. This is unacceptable.
Dude, Sean is hardly the issue.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2026, 09:48:54 PMThere is no explanation I can think of as to why Caedin started the 2H. I'm sorry but that's 100% on Shaka. I'm not saying we win either way, but it's less comprehendable imo than Finnegan's Wake. I hope Shaka is asked about this.
Gold was hurt, hardly played in second half, so it was Hamilton. It is what it is roster wise.
MU played well at end with:
Parham
Ross
Owens
Stevens
James
Two freshmen, two sophomores but got killed on boards and MU took advantage of Depaul missing free throws.
He supposedly took 10,000 hook shots this summer but I have not seen that shot in one game. The game has changed, Shaka wants his players to drive to the hoop, but Caedin normally down there doing nothing. Or he stands at the top of the key picking but never rolls. When Shska watches the replay what does he see from Caedin. I see a weak center, no hands, does not jump, no offense, and no D, am I missing something?
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2026, 09:55:35 PMCaedin's defense...or even presence during that stretch was ridiculous. Total ghost. I could have been out there protecting the rim. :)
I really question how much he likes playing basketball. He seems to have zero competitive fire.
Quote from: nyg on January 16, 2026, 10:04:02 PMGold was hurt, hardly played in second half, so it was Hamilton. It is what it is roster wise.
MU played well at end with:
Parham
Ross
Owens
Stevens
James
Two freshmen, two sophomores but got killed on boards and MU took advantage of Depaul missing free throws.
Gold went back in the game after that initial stretch and was on the floor late. If CH is unplayable and Gold is hurt, go small.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 16, 2026, 10:04:10 PMHe supposedly took 10,000 hook shots this summer but I have not seen that shot in one game. The game has changed, Shaka wants his players to drive to the hoop, but Caedin normally down there doing nothing. Or he stands at the top of the key picking but never rolls. When Shska watches the replay what does he see from Caedin. I see a weak center, no hands, does not jump, no offense, and no D, am I missing something?
I am beginning to think 18 has some blackmail on Shaka and that is why he is getting so much time on court.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 16, 2026, 10:06:04 PMI really question how much he likes playing basketball. He seems to have zero competitive fire.
Hutch,
This is seemingly a team issue. I saw zero tenacity once we were punched in the 2H. And yes, we showed several good things in the 1H offensively.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 16, 2026, 10:04:10 PMHe supposedly took 10,000 hook shots this summer but I have not seen that shot in one game.
Divide that by ~100 days and that is a mere 100 a day? If he made 1 every 20 seconds that would take 30 minutes a day. What am I missing here with that? The videos they showed on social media were of him unguarded shooting by himself.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 16, 2026, 10:07:29 PMI am beginning to think 18 has some blackmail on Shaka and that is why he is getting so much time on court.
It's this or a betting scandal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2026, 10:09:19 PMHutch,
This is seemingly a team issue. I saw zero tenacity once we were punched in the 2H. And yes, we showed several good things in the 1H offensively.
Yes, DePaul jumped on them after half and they had no punch back until the very end. Just wilted.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 16, 2026, 10:10:46 PMDivide that by ~100 days and that is a mere 100 a day? If he made 1 every 20 seconds that would take 30 minutes a day. What am I missing here with that? The videos they showed on social media were of him unguarded shooting by himself.
Very true. Add to it that, he doesn't have a feel for the game. He doesn't look raw, he looks lost.
JB, way to stick with Owens. Played well tonight. I've been waiting for that first drive and dunk he had tonight for the last year and a half. Needs to be more aggressive in my opinion.
Country - the fact that Shaka had Hamilton taking hook shots at all - as if THAT would make him a D1 player- tells you how stupid he is.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 16, 2026, 10:06:35 PMGold went back in the game after that initial stretch and was on the floor late. If CH is unplayable and Gold is hurt, go small.
Gold played four minutes 16 to 12 minute mark, then 45 seconds from 3 minute mark.
MU went small after that with lineup I stated. If Hamilton is unplayable, then why is he on team and starting? Because he is on the team and he is all Shaka has. On Shaka for taking project, but Hamilton is not going to sit on the bench with this roster, no matter how frustrated you are
It is what it is.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 16, 2026, 10:18:02 PMJB, way to stick with Owens. Played well tonight. I've been waiting for that first drive and dunk he had tonight for the last year and a half. Needs to be more aggressive in my opinion.
Other than his 22 footer that went 24 feet, he had a good night offensively. But he was continually getting beat on drives to the paint. Poor night defensively like the rest of the team.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 16, 2026, 10:04:10 PMHe supposedly took 10,000 hook shots this summer but I have not seen that shot in one game. The game has changed, Shaka wants his players to drive to the hoop, but Caedin normally down there doing nothing. Or he stands at the top of the key picking but never rolls. When Shska watches the replay what does he see from Caedin. I see a weak center, no hands, does not jump, no offense, and no D, am I missing something?
Hey, he did make a hook shot last game.
Quote from: nyg on January 16, 2026, 10:04:02 PMGold was hurt, hardly played in second half, so it was Hamilton. It is what it is roster wise.
MU played well at end with:
Parham
Ross
Owens
Stevens
James
Two freshmen, two sophomores but got killed on boards and MU took advantage of Depaul missing free throws.
Why was Gold playing the last couple of minutes if he was hurting?
Quote from: nyg on January 16, 2026, 10:19:54 PMGold played four minutes 16 to 12 minute mark, then 45 seconds from 3 minute mark.
MU went small after that with lineup I stated. If Hamilton is unplayable, then why is he on team and starting? Because he is on the team and he is all Shaka has. On Shaka for taking project, but Hamilton is not going to sit on the bench with this roster, no matter how frustrated you are
It is what it is.
Okay. Why didn't he see if he could play from the 20-16 min mark?
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 16, 2026, 10:23:47 PMWhy was Gold playing the last couple of minutes if he was hurting?
45 seconds starting at three minute to go. Brought in on offense maybe to shoot a three. Didn't play minutes, only four and half second half
And now that I think about it....DePaul went 8-0 and tied the game at 44 in about 2 mins. Shaka calls a t-o and then stays with CH and that line-up? Totally dumbfounding.
How tall is Parham? He seems so weak and plays like he is about 6"3. Rather have Pat Smith down low. Hamilton plays like he isn't even there. Why didn't Shaka play box in one on Gunn? Like Al used to say. Cut off the head and the body dies. It is so frustrating every game.
I think Shaka looks to Matt Painter as his mentor. Painter took a 7'4" kid out of Canada that nobody else recruited and built him into a two-time POY. Shaka saw this and figured he could do the same with Hamilton & Clark. Shaka, you are no Matt Painter.
Caedin was an enormous liability out there. Phillips is a better option btw.
Quote from: MUbiz on January 16, 2026, 10:07:29 PMI am beginning to think 18 has some blackmail on Shaka and that is why he is getting so much time on court.
I'll tell you what it is: Shaka's ego. He took a guy from California that Big West schools like Northridge and Long Beach weren't interested in and he's going to prove he was smarter than those guys and saw what they didn't. Hamilton is Shaka's RVG poster boy.
Quote from: Superfan on January 16, 2026, 10:31:38 PMI think Shaka looks to Matt Painter as his mentor. Painter took a 7'4" kid out of Canada that nobody else recruited and built him into a two-time POY. Shaka saw this and figured he could do the same with Hamilton & Clark. Shaka, you are no Matt Painter.
Eady was a three star who was overshadowed by top ten players at IMG. Hamilton was a zero star who didn't have interest from Big West programs in his backyard.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 16, 2026, 10:33:19 PMEady was a three star who was overshadowed by top ten players at IMG. Hamilton was a zero star who didn't have interest from Big West programs in his backyard.
Did Clarke have any other offers. Pretty sure Ham had literally no other D1 offers. Idk wtf shaka was thinking bringing these two inept players on board. Maybe he was banking on ittejere to work out but damn what a joke.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 16, 2026, 10:22:39 PMHey, he did make a hook shot last game.
Is that what that was? Hard to tell
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 16, 2026, 10:33:19 PMEady was a three star who was overshadowed by top ten players at IMG. Hamilton was a zero star who didn't have interest from Big West programs in his backyard.
"
Shaka, you are no Matt Painter."
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 16, 2026, 10:21:57 PMOther than his 22 footer that went 24 feet, he had a good night offensively. But he was continually getting beat on drives to the paint. Poor night defensively like the rest of the team.
It's a start though. Wasn't showing anything positive for about 25 games. I like his aggressivness on offense lately. Hopefully that will lead to better defense.
My goal is to expend no more mental energy on this team. If Notso doesn't change his stripes, same for next year.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 16, 2026, 10:47:33 PMIt's a start though. Wasn't showing anything positive for about 25 games. I like his aggressivness on offense lately. Hopefully that will lead to better defense.
No argument on that. We're a fanbase starving for positives and hope.
This kind of feels like the point in the season where you absolutely need to lean into the "tanking" angle. Play the freshmen max minutes. We're thin right now due to injury anyway. I'm also not sure why Phillips and Clark didn't see time tonight. That negates any of the positives we might have taken away from a bad L.
Quote from: Johnny B on January 16, 2026, 10:38:24 PMDid Clarke have any other offers. Pretty sure Ham had literally no other D1 offers. Idk wtf shaka was thinking bringing these two inept players on board. Maybe he was banking on ittejere to work out but damn what a joke.
Hamilton had offers from Drexel and northeastern according to 247
#FREEJOSH
Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 16, 2026, 11:19:13 PMHamilton had offers from Drexel and northeastern according to 247
In what sport?
Not sure why I continue to go watch us play this season haha, I'm 0-3 (IU, Maryland, DePaul). My guess is it'll be 0-4 when I go up for NMD.
Was really encouraged by Nigel's hot start, Royce's aggressive takes in the 1st half, and more Damarius glimpses and confidence going to the rack. Man he can literally SOAR out there, it's astonishing to see up close. The growth of the underclassmen has long been all I care about this season. 2nd half was about as brutal as it gets: the lack of stops was infuriating in real time but I didn't realize it was Shaka's second worst defensive game at MU per PaintTouches (Butler 2022).
Just don't understand the Caedin loyalty. I really don't. I get Ben is banged up but we were playing our best in the 1st half with him on the bench. He starts the 2nd half and we immediately give up a 14-0 run. If we need size, I'd much rather have Josh in there if Ben can't go. I'm also bummed out we got zero Michael Phillips minutes...why?? We have 1 shooter on this team and apparently he's not good enough to play a single second? Especially when DePaul is playing a zone and we need anyone to bust it. So confusing to me.
Tough season. As hard as it is, we probably need these losses to spur Shaka to make meaningful changes come April. So......yay?
Damarius looked pretty good. Glad he's been getting to double digits. Royce bullying his way to the basket is fun to watch. I think he'll get better even at that - plus maybe adding some kick-outs to MP, Ian, and Nash next season.
Michael Phillips needs to play every night. They opted not to redshirt him despite being HS age because he has NBA upside (he really does) and you want to get as much as possible out of him. He is going to probably make the biggest leap this offseason and be VERY good. Unless he was banged up, getting a DNP is another confounding coaching decision in a season full of those. Clark, too. I don't get it.
Not playing Josh, who is far and away our best rebounder (given in a small sample), in a game where we won kept close in pretty much every other statline battle, but were outrebounded 42-30 including 15-8 on the offensive glass is... coaching malfesance.
I assume MU can fire Shaka for cause? That has to be pretty close.
#FREEJOSH
Beyond our roster issues, this team is fragile and fundamentally a complete mess. Mostly defending and rebounding. As others have pointed out, we go into panic mode and lose any semblance of cohesion. What's more troubling is there have been times during games where guys look disinterested and the effort and focus aren't there. If you can't stop the ball, or lose sight of the ball, good luck beating even mediocre teams. Watching these guys rebound is an extremely unpleasant experience.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 17, 2026, 12:21:32 AMBeyond our roster issues, this team is fragile and fundamentally a complete mess. Mostly defending and rebounding. As others have pointed out we go into panic mode and lose any semblance of cohesion. What's more troubling is there have been times during games where guys look disinterested and the effort and focus aren't there. If you can't stop the ball, or lose sight of the ball, good luck beating even mediocre teams. Watching these guys rebound is an extremely unpleasant experience.
You know who might be able to rebound? Our 7 ft guy who has rebounded really well in the minutes he's gotten. But I guess he doesn't "pour" enough during practice.
#FREEJOSH
Quote from: 1SE on January 17, 2026, 12:27:06 AMYou know who might be able to rebound? Our 7 ft guy who has rebounded really well in the minutes he's gotten. But I guess he doesn't "pour" enough during practice.
#FREEJOSH
Believe it or not Caedin had 7 boards in 15 mins. Of course 2 or 3 of them were from his own missed chippies.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 16, 2026, 10:15:43 PMIt's this or a betting scandal.
Fear is a great motivator.
Some schools have no fear.
WOJO was chosen from fear and the fear continues.
I don't see that changing.
Buzz knows no fear so he had to go.
This is by far the worst MU team defensively seen in a long time. Just piss poor terrible defense. Nobody can defend down low. This team is totally on Shaka Kahn.
Anybody think it is time for the red hot poker near Shakas kielbasa?
The gap has widened for MU even against DePaul.
Where is Reekers big mouth these days?
Quote from: Johnny B on January 16, 2026, 10:38:24 PMDid Clarke have any other offers. Pretty sure Ham had literally no other D1 offers. Idk wtf shaka was thinking bringing these two inept players on board. Maybe he was banking on ittejere to work out but damn what a joke.
Clark reportedly had offers from UT-Arlington and Sam Houston.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 17, 2026, 07:18:22 AMClark reportedly had offers from UT-Arlington and Sam Houston.
The best thing to happen to Josh Clark is to play behind Caedin Hamilton. Ultimate back up quarterback syndrome
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on January 16, 2026, 10:21:57 PMOther than his 22 footer that went 24 feet, he had a good night offensively. But he was continually getting beat on drives to the paint. Poor night defensively like the rest of the team.
with his athleticism and length, should be a lock-down defender. In contrast to his hops on offense, it's as if his feet are in cement Nike's on D.
Halftime we were up by 8. I came a minute and half late to the start of the second half and we were down 10. I couldn't believe it. I didn't know what happened? Guess now I have an idea.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 17, 2026, 05:51:35 AMThis is by far the worst MU team defensively seen in a long time. Just piss poor terrible defense. Nobody can defend down low. This team is totally on Shaka Kahn.
Anybody think it is time for the red hot poker near Shakas kielbasa?
The gap has widened for MU even against DePaul.
Where is Reekers big mouth these days?
Letting Gunn go off like that was ridiculous and preventable. He was continually open or at least had enough daylight to have a good look. When a kid like him with a nice shot gets that, he can kill you if he's locked in. You get in his grill and give him zero space.
You don't go to help off of him as
Chase did one of his buckets in the first half. Left him for a second to drop and help on a drive, it was kicked back to Gunn who drilled it. Chase had a hand up on the release, but it wasn't close to bother the shot any.
Quote from: Viper on January 17, 2026, 07:31:44 AMwith his athleticism and length, should be a lock-down defender. In contrast to his hops on offense, it's as if his feet are in cement Nike's on D.
It is quite a contrast for him offense/defense. He seems in general lacking any toughness. Just plays soft defensively. Like you said, tools are there to be much better. Maybe more game reps he'll figure it out. But sometimes, crazy athletes like him are just soft. We'll see.
This is essentially true for the entire team but I had high expectations for Chase defensively but it feels like he has gotten beat off the dribble this season.
The "deflection counter" used to be shown on nearly every broadcast but I don't even remember the last time that's happened this season.
The most surprising thing about this season has been just how horrendous the team has been defensively.
Every good AD keeps a 'list'. Is Broeker a good AD?
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 17, 2026, 07:37:15 AMHalftime we were up by 8. I came a minute and half late to the start of the second half and we were down 10. I couldn't believe it. I didn't know what happened? Guess now I have an idea.
Runs happen, but how fast DePaul did it to us, typical of this season. They needed less than 3 minutes for a 14-0 run! 😳
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 17, 2026, 07:37:15 AMHalftime we were up by 8. I came a minute and half late to the start of the second half and we were down 10. I couldn't believe it. I didn't know what happened? Guess now I have an idea.
Does everyone remember when we all used to praise Shaka's halftime adjustments and how the team used to come out and play so much better in the 2nd half?
I'm not one who believes that Shaka is mailing it in or will leave after the season, but the total reversal of what used to be a strength and is now yet another weakness does make you have to wonder what the heck is going on.
Is Broeker a good AD ? No.
He's a career No. 2 guy. Boring. No personality and has never had to make an actual decision at MU ... not one.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 17, 2026, 08:00:00 AMDoes everyone remember when we all used to praise Shaka's halftime adjustments and how the team used to come out and play so much better in the 2nd half?
I'm not one who believes that Shaka is mailing it in or will leave after the season, but the total reversal of what used to be a strength and is now yet another weakness does make you have to wonder what the heck is going on.
It does feel like Buzz's last season, but without the off the court drama.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 17, 2026, 08:09:45 AMIt does feel like Buzz's last season, but without the off the court drama.
Well...
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 17, 2026, 08:09:45 AMIt does feel like Buzz's last season, but without the off the court drama.
The Altercation
#mubb
Things are quite bizarre. Maybe in the off season things will become clearer.
Shaka when making out the starting lineup for each half.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUGWSctmMFzJmCHkmOlVe-DfYP8t3_QZs_tpWZS3OHtg&s=10)
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 17, 2026, 08:19:09 AMThings are quite bizarre. Maybe in the off season things will become clearer.
April First?
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 17, 2026, 07:37:15 AMHalftime we were up by 8. I came a minute and half late to the start of the second half and we were down 10. I couldn't believe it. I didn't know what happened? Guess now I have an idea.
Lucky you. I wish I had come back a minute and a half late.
My wife accompanies me on my cardiologist appointments, and I made her swear that she
never, ever mentions my watching Marquette games.
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 17, 2026, 08:00:38 AMIs Broeker a good AD ? No.
He's a career No. 2 guy. Boring. No personality and has never had to make an actual decision at MU ... not one.
Are you his assistant?
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 17, 2026, 08:00:38 AMIs Broeker a good AD ? No.
He's a career No. 2 guy. Boring. No personality and has never had to make an actual decision at MU ... not one.
But we hired him after a "national search" and paid a firm big bucks
Right. A " national search " that found the guy in the next office. lol
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 17, 2026, 07:47:10 AMThis is essentially true for the entire team but I had high expectations for Chase defensively but it feels like he has gotten beat off the dribble this season.
The "deflection counter" used to be shown on nearly every broadcast but I don't even remember the last time that's happened this season.
The most surprising thing about this season has been just how horrendous the team has been defensively.
Yep. This was supposed to be the strength of the team with wave after wave of swarming athletes. A second form of Havoc if you will. Another grave miscalculation. The personnel assessments were way off.
But, they again played competently enough for it to be a game. Small consolation, but there is development. Keep the best and get 3-4 transfers and this turns around in a hurry. Need two more players guard/wings who can create their own shot. Although Stevens is starting to show more than just being a corner three man. And a big man that is tough enough to rebound and play defense against a Big East big.
Thought before the game MU should have won this one. Really thought I was going to have a chuckle at the expense of all the DePaul fans (who hate Marquette) hoping to finally turn the tables on us. Was hoping they couldn't beat us even in the worst of times. Oh well. We all know we are seeing depths we haven't in a long time. Just keep developing.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 17, 2026, 08:00:00 AMDoes everyone remember when we all used to praise Shaka's halftime adjustments and how the team used to come out and play so much better in the 2nd half?
I'm not one who believes that Shaka is mailing it in or will leave after the season, but the total reversal of what used to be a strength and is now yet another weakness does make you have to wonder what the heck is going on.
How canyon be sure Shaka is not mailing it in?
This teams glaring poor performance sure as hell looks like the mail has already been delivered.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 17, 2026, 08:00:00 AMDoes everyone remember when we all used to praise Shaka's halftime adjustments and how the team used to come out and play so much better in the 2nd half?
I'm not one who believes that Shaka is mailing it in or will leave after the season, but the total reversal of what used to be a strength and is now yet another weakness does make you have to wonder what the heck is going on.
It's all about experienced real talent. If we had experienced talent, we could make adjustments.
Now don't get me wrong, its not like there is zero talent on this team. But there is very raw inexperienced talent at this time.
The seniors and juniors are not good enough to make adjustments. Shaka can say all he wants in the locker room until he is blue in the face and he simply doesn't have the leaders and experienced talent to make it happen.
Shaka needed to get a Morsell this year and he didn't. He needed to get a tone setter. Thought he had one in Chase but he was wrong. Thought he had A Kur Kueth in Ben or gulp, Caedin, and he was wrong.
There are no players to teach other players how it's done.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 17, 2026, 07:18:22 AMClark reportedly had offers from UT-Arlington and Sam Houston.
Arlington looked at him but did not offer and were stunned when MU did
If you look at it we have one 1 pt win vs a high D-1 program. It's really difficult to wrap my head around that kind of drop after our last three seasons. And when you look at the intangibles, and basic competing and fundamentals, we're nowhere close to where we should be. There's 0.0 cohesion on this team or competitive drive as far as I can tell.
Chase literally wasn't involved at all for about 16 mins of the 2H. I don't get that. Some scoppers have suggested he's checked out, I have no frigging idea. In back to back games he's been great in the 1H and a total no show in the 2H. WTF is going on here?
Again, we're not having a bad year, we're having a catastrophic season with a team that is maybe the worst in the history of our program. We don't compete, that's what's so frustrating. Until that 25 pt swing in the 2H it looked like we were fking Edgewood or Carroll College.
What exactly were we trying to do on the court during this stretch? Both defensively and offensively? Did we have no gas in the tank? Did guys simply quit? Are there psychological issues? When you allow lay-up, dunk, lay-uo, dunk, tip-dunk, corner three, lay-up, uncontested 3, uncontested 3, bunny, bunny, etc, etc, etc, wtf do you expect? It was a 25 pt swing in like 9 mins. Against DePaul!!! Cannot happen. Ever. The competitive fire has to be there. If guys are loafing or disinterested? Glue them to the bench and let Scoopers call them for 2 hours.
Great teams have five options to score.
Good teams like the three Amigos and Lazar or three Amigos and Novak have four options.
Average teams have three options.
Bad teams have only two.
When scoring options decrease, much easier to defend the only scorers.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 17, 2026, 10:43:28 AMGreat teams have five options to score.
Good teams like the three Amigos and Lazar or three Amigos and Novak have four options.
Average teams have three options.
Bad teams have only two.
When scoring options decrease, much easier to defend the only scorers.
Does that mean DePaul had 20 options?
https://x.com/brianhanley534/status/2012380005737677195?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Did people Anyone post this tweet yet
Caedin practices hard but many people practice and work hard.
Caedin may be the worst player in Division 1 but it is NOT HIS FAULT HE PLAYS and is put out there.
Isn't that the former SunTimes columnist and 670 the score Mully and Hanley show Brian Hanley.
77 - Right. Hamilton is AWFUL. He's a low D1 player ( Horizon or below ).
It's the coaching malpractice by SS that puts him out there. >:(
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 17, 2026, 11:11:58 AMIsn't that the former SunTimes columnist and 670 the score Mully and Hanley show Brian Hanley.
Maybe but not sure. Knew a Brian Hanley at Marquette University who passed away from I believe cancer. We both used to date Dorothy Murphy in college.
This columnist was probably an 84ish grad. Huge Marquette fan. Always had some Marquette related barbs for ND at public speaking events.
Quote from: panda on January 17, 2026, 07:28:46 AMThe best thing to happen to Josh Clark is to play behind Caedin Hamilton. Ultimate back up quarterback syndrome
At least with Clark you can see it in theory. The tools are there. You could see him becoming a bigger, stronger Kuath type rim protector and lob threat.
With Hamilton I can't even picture what a fully actualized version looks like.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 17, 2026, 10:23:39 AMIf you look at it we have one 1 pt win vs a high D-1 program. It's really difficult to wrap my head around that kind of drop after our last three seasons. And when you look at the intangibles, and basic competing and fundamentals, we're nowhere close to where we should be. There's 0.0 cohesion on this team or competitive drive as far as I can tell.
Chase literally wasn't involved at all for about 16 mins of the 2H. I don't get that. Some scoppers have suggested he's checked out, I have no frigging idea. In back to back games he's been great in the 1H and a total no show in the 2H. WTF is going on here?
Again, we're not having a bad year, we're having a catastrophic season with a team that is maybe the worst in the history of our program. We don't compete, that's what's so frustrating. Until that 25 pt swing in the 2H it looked like we were fking Edgewood or Carroll College.
What exactly were we trying to do on the court during this stretch? Both defensively and offensively? Did we have no gas in the tank? Did guys simply quit? Are there psychological issues? When you allow lay-up, dunk, lay-uo, dunk, tip-dunk, corner three, lay-up, uncontested 3, uncontested 3, bunny, bunny, etc, etc, etc, wtf do you expect? It was a 25 pt swing in like 9 mins. Against DePaul!!! Cannot happen. Ever. The competitive fire has to be there. If guys are loafing or disinterested? Glue them to the bench and let Scoopers call them for 2 hours.
With Chase I think the issue is as simple as he's a great role player. He can play off good players and be a really valuable member of a team in that role as a spot up shooter, slasher, defender, and transition player.
He doesn't have many sklls on ball in the halfcourt and there's obviously not enough talent around him for him to play the role he could thrive in.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 17, 2026, 01:33:43 PMAt least with Clark you can see it in theory. The tools are there. You could see him becoming a bigger, stronger Kuath type rim protector and lob threat.
With Hamilton I can't even picture what a fully actualized version looks like.
Exactly my point - anyone compared to Hamilton looks competent and filled with potential
Quote from: BM1090 on January 17, 2026, 01:36:05 PMWith Chase I think the issue is as simple as he's a great role player. He can play off good players and be a really valuable member of a team in that role as a spot up shooter, slasher, defender, and transition player.
He doesn't have many sklls on ball in the halfcourt and there's obviously not enough talent around him for him to play the role he could thrive in.
I agree with you that he's much better off the ball, and as a 3rd option guy, but he's still one of our best scorers. He's also had abysmal defensive stretches. And not having the right skills in the h-c, as a 4 year guy, with his speed and athleticism, is a total failure. That's on him and the coaching staff.
Pretty easy to feel the hate in here. Hamilton did have 7 rebounds in 15 minutes plus 3 points. He certainly is not a starter or a srtar but he can fill 15 minutes. I am sure that nobody in august body except for myself has ever struggled to learn or succeed. How bountiful your gratitude is. Cut the kiod some slack, who are any of you to question his motivation or intent? Answer: Let he among you without sin cast the first stone.
Quote from: panda on January 17, 2026, 01:44:00 PMExactly my point - anyone compared to Hamilton looks competent and filled with potential
Look, there is absolutely no reason known that I can even conjure, including Ben's injury, that explains CH starting the 2H. None. End of discussion. And I'm not trying to rip on the kid at all, he's just not ready at this level. And may never get there. This is 100% on Shaka and I don't want to see it again.
Quote from: hawk on January 17, 2026, 02:42:35 PMPretty easy to feel the hate in here. Hamilton did have 7 rebounds in 15 minutes plus 3 points. He certainly is not a starter or a srtar but he can fill 15 minutes. I am sure that nobody in august body except for myself has ever struggled to learn or succeed. How bountiful your gratitude is. Cut the kiod some slack, who are any of you to question his motivation or intent? Answer: Let he among you without sin cast the first stone.
Those 7 rebs are a bit misleading. 2 were on his own misses. A couple fell into his lap.
Quote from: panda on January 17, 2026, 01:44:00 PMExactly my point - anyone compared to Hamilton looks competent and filled with potential
MU's defense has made competent BE players look great; Shaka may see Hamilton in scrimmages and conclude he's ok.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 17, 2026, 02:48:48 PMMU's defense has made competent BE players look great; Shaka may see Hamilton in scrimmages and conclude he's ok.
We have a sample size WT.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 17, 2026, 02:51:49 PMWe have a sample size WT.
Agreed, but I'm grasping at straws to justify Shaka playing him. Shaka is better than this. >:(
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 17, 2026, 03:15:15 PMAgreed, but I'm grasping at straws to justify Shaka playing him. Shaka is better than this. >:(
Fair enough. And good use of the idiom... or metaphorical idiom. Because there is no excuse in most cases for straws. We must save our tremendous 🐢 🐢 🐢 populations. :)
Quote from: hawk on January 17, 2026, 02:42:35 PMPretty easy to feel the hate in here. Hamilton did have 7 rebounds in 15 minutes plus 3 points. He certainly is not a starter or a srtar but he can fill 15 minutes. I am sure that nobody in august body except for myself has ever struggled to learn or succeed. How bountiful your gratitude is. Cut the kiod some slack, who are any of you to question his motivation or intent? Answer: Let he among you without sin cast the first stone.
He can fill 15 minutes for this team. Not for one that is tournament level.
And I definitely don't question his motivation or intent. He seems to be a really good kid and a hard worker. He just doesn't have it at this level.
Quote from: hawk on January 17, 2026, 02:42:35 PMPretty easy to feel the hate in here. Hamilton did have 7 rebounds in 15 minutes plus 3 points. He certainly is not a starter or a srtar but he can fill 15 minutes. I am sure that nobody in august body except for myself has ever struggled to learn or succeed. How bountiful your gratitude is. Cut the kiod some slack, who are any of you to question his motivation or intent? Answer: Let he among you without sin cast the first stone.
I have very negative feelings toward Ham What Am. I have (to myself) cussed him out. I have to continually remind myself that it's not his fault. It's not his fault. It's not his fault.
It's Notso's fault.
Quote from: vogue65 on January 17, 2026, 01:37:14 AMFear is a great motivator.
Some schools have no fear.
WOJO was chosen from fear and the fear continues.
I don't see that changing.
Buzz knows no fear so he had to go.
Buzz chose to go
Quote from: nyg on January 16, 2026, 10:28:46 PM45 seconds starting at three minute to go. Brought in on offense maybe to shoot a three. Didn't play minutes, only four and half second half
Well if your ankle is hurting bad, you're not going to be good at shooting 3's or rebounding, so still doesn't make sense.