What an absolute disaster. It's easy to blame Sean and Chase , but I have no fking idea what we were doing the final 5 mins. We looked like we were in a corn maze. That's a combination of poor leadership and players having no idea how to play in a tight game down the stretch. Very, very, upsetting.
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Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:20:14 PMWhat an absolute disaster. It's easy to blame Sean and Chase down the stretch, but I have no fking idea what we were doing the final 5 mins. We looked like we were in a corn maze. That's a combination of poor leadership and players having no idea how to play in a tight game down the stretch. Very, very, upsetting.
You'd think veteran players who've been in a system for three years would be a lot better in these situations. We've been absolutely horrible in clutch situations this year. Another blow for RGV.
Apathy is coming quick.
Rgv boys. Rgv.
Marquette basketball is a game of runs. And by runs, I mean sh*tting ourselves whenever we have a significant lead.
Sadly, Marquette closes the year without a single Q1, Q2, or Q3 win. Hopefully next 2026 will be better.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on December 30, 2025, 08:23:21 PMYou'd think veteran players who've been in a system for three years would be a lot better in these situations. We've been absolutely horrible in clutch situations this year. Another blow for RGV.
Apathy is coming quick.
Terrible in every conceivable way. That's why I thought we would need a cushion. But it's beyond the unconscionable turns and matador D. It's literally like we've never played basketball. It's infuriating.
This game kinda reminded me of those games where we'd let a bottom dweller hang around for too long but pull it out in the end. Then we'd all complain that the team needs to get their heads out of their butts and not let such a bad team make it a game.
We're that team now to other fanbases.
RGV sounds like a respiratory virus.
Was pleased with the effort overall. Tightened up in the last few minutes.
Doesn't seem like much leadership on this team. We were promised RGV would prevent that from happening. Ross just seemed out of control at the end. Gold played good.
Didn't miss Zaide at all.
Glad Tre and Caedin didn't play. Those guys need to pack their bags. Sean has been here 4 years also. That's enough. Replace those 3 and we'll have a chance to be decent next year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 30, 2025, 08:26:55 PMRGV sounds like a respiratory virus.
Well, appears to make our guys choke, so...
I think it's best we lose every game the rest of the year.
1) Shaka can move on to somewhere where this is acceptable.
2) I'm not sure any of us want to pick a SoG. None of them deserve it.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 30, 2025, 08:25:50 PMThis game kinda reminded me of those games where we'd let a bottom dweller hang around for too long but pull it out in the end. Then we'd all complain that the team needs to get their heads out of their butts and not let such a bad team make it a game.
We're that team now to other fanbases.
Even MUBB cant even play the spoiler
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 30, 2025, 08:26:55 PMRGV sounds like a respiratory virus.
Rarely Getting Victories
Don't have the stars (talent) to get the job done in a tight game. But I will say this, Chase and Ben had multiple dagger shots that they simply wilted from and missed. Shaka also doesn't seem to like his best lineup in the game to extend leads. Oh well, next year. Keep developing those that can be developed.
At least Lowery didn't cost us this game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:20:14 PMWhat an absolute disaster. It's easy to blame Sean and Chase , but I have no fking idea what we were doing the final 5 mins. We looked like we were in a corn maze. That's a combination of poor leadership and players having no idea how to play in a tight game down the stretch. Very, very, upsetting.
You going to be saying same thing for games to come. Take a deep breath, the season is done and now watch who can play for next year. MU has lost every pertinent home game that has not happened in long time. Only win is Valpo in OT. Wait for UConn and SJU.
Right now, all I want to hear is Shaka in postgame. Let's see if any reporter has the guts to ask "Coach, can you please describe the altercation, was it physical, verbal? Shaka's answer will probably be in the area of "It's a personal matter". But it puts him on record. No answer will continue to stir the pot.
Heck when all the players leave at years end, someone will dial up a source😄
What was the lineup situation this game? Random and sporadic?
nuke the roster. and some of the staff.
Have probably watched a total of 20 minutes of MU hoops this year, I doubt I will watch another 20. I watch MU hoops because when they competitive it's fun and it facilitates me connecting with my college buddies around how MU is doing. This season has been zero fun. I'm still drinking the Shaka kool-aid but if he doesn't realize what is lacking in his strategic vision for the program we are doomed as long as he is the HC. Doomed I say...
Certainly holds wins to low levels.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 30, 2025, 08:26:55 PMRGV sounds like a respiratory virus.
It's funny that FS1 was dunking on MU all game with the missed layup graphics and how many we were averaging.
We all knew we'd lose, it's why I hammered Seton Hall -1. But proud of how they fought for 35 minutes. Great showings from Nigel, Royce, even Josh and Damarius showed flashes. And Shaka sat our worst players like he should have done a month ago, but nice to see a change.
The kind of loss I'm ok with. Back and forth against a decent team with things to build on.
Excuse me Scoopers but it seems to me we have ZERO idea what we are trying to do down the stretch. Yes, Sean began that disaster, but the question is why on God Green earth is he handling the ball for 25 secs two straight possessions? What the H happened to moving the basketball and moving and screening off the ball? Obviously the foul on the 3 was catastrophically ridiculous, but he should have been pulled or our offensive sets should have been different. That's 100% on Shaka imo. I saw 0.0 direction as to what we wanted to do, vs their set defense, with the game on the line. Was there gagging? Yes. But it's much easier to piss all over the place when you're nervous and clueless.
Once SHU showed a zone the entire team's mentality collapsed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:37:15 PMExcuse me Scoopers but it seems to me we have ZERO idea what we are trying to do down the stretch. Yes, Sean began that disaster, but the question is why on God Green earth is he handling the ball for 25 secs two straight possessions? What the H happened to moving the basketball and moving and screening off the ball? Obviously the foul on the 3 was catastrophically ridiculous but he should have pulled or our offensive sets should have been different. That's 100% on Shaka imo. I saw 0.0 direction as to what we wanted to do, vs their set defense, with the game on the line. Was their gagging? Yes. But it's much easier to piss a over the place when you're nervous and clueless.
Muggs. You gotta chill. This season is over. There's nothing to figure out or fix
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 08:36:56 PMWe all knew we'd lose, it's why I hammered Seton Hall -1. But proud of how they fought for 35 minutes. Great showings from Nigel, Royce, even Josh and Damarius showed flashes. And Shaka sat our worst players like he should have done a month ago, but nice to see a change.
The kind of loss I'm ok with. Back and forth against a decent team with things to build on.
I respectfully disagree.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 30, 2025, 08:38:35 PMMuggs. You gotta chill. This season is over. There's nothing to figure out or fix
Well, I'll be in Hawaii tomorrow. Maybe I'll calm down a click or two.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 30, 2025, 08:33:07 PMnuke the roster. and some of the staff.
after the BET, all of the staff, starting with the HC.
Our offense was truly offensive. Coming out of the timeout down one, we set up a kick-out for a three. Really? James had a lane to the bucket too.
At UConn on Saturday. How bad could that be?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 30, 2025, 08:40:58 PMOur offense was truly offensive. Coming out of the timeout down one, we set up a kick-out for a three. Really? James had a lane to the bucket too.
At UConn on Saturday. How bad could that be?
Ouch.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:39:34 PMI respectfully disagree.
Did you actually think we'd win?
Our season has been pretty clearly over since Maryland, there's no need to dwell on individual losses.
Hang your hat on the play of underclassmen if Shaka ends up staying and make some money while Vegas continues to give us too much respect.
Quote from: Boozemon Barro on December 30, 2025, 08:37:37 PMOnce SHU showed a zone the entire team's mentality collapsed.
Which is totally and inexplicably inexcusable.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 30, 2025, 08:40:58 PMOur offense was truly offensive. Coming out of the timeout down one, we set up a kick-out for a three. Really? James had a lane to the bucket too.
At UConn on Saturday. How bad could that be?
i doubt it will be that bad as I can see Hurley experimenting with lineups and resting some players. MU still loses by 20+ though
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 08:42:33 PMDid you actually think we'd win?
Our season has been pretty clearly over since Maryland, there's no need to dwell on individual losses.
Hang your hat on the play of underclassmen if Shaka ends up staying and make some money while Vegas continues to give us too much respect.
I thought we absolutely should have won.
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 08:42:33 PMDid you actually think we'd win?
Our season has been pretty clearly over since Maryland, there's no need to dwell on individual losses.
Hang your hat on the play of underclassmen if Shaka ends up staying and make some money while Vegas continues to give us too much respect.
I don't gamble and would never bet against my team.
Hold your head high, MU players and coaches ... good days will come as long as good habits endure! :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:20:14 PMWhat an absolute disaster. It's easy to blame Sean and Chase , but I have no fking idea what we were doing the final 5 mins.
Don't feel bad, Muggs, neither did Notso.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:46:03 PMI don't gamble and would never bet against my team.
You don't gamble and you never slice do you Judge?
That team is in such a funk that Ben Gold seemed otherworldly good out there at times today.
Then you look at the box score and he was 1-7 from 3. I get he did a lot of other good things, but that's pretty telling.
Muggsy is right that Marquette should have won that game.
Shaka had no business playing Sean in that critical portion of the game with that lineup of Nigel, Adrien, Chase, Royce, Ben playing so good for long stretches in the 2Hz
Literally 0 reason to do that. You needed a win very very badly and that's not the way to let one slip away.
I still felt bad for Coach though, the look of pain on his face at the end of the game said it all
Quote from: MUeng on December 30, 2025, 08:43:57 PMi doubt it will be that bad as I can see Hurley experimenting with lineups and resting some players. MU still loses by 20+ though
I remember a coach in the WCC telling me that during the 2020-21 season, Gonzaga knew it was so much better than every other team in the conference. Few would experiment and play lineups or styles they usually wouldn't play during the first halves of games. I could see Hurley do that against us.
Sister's of the Poor have awesome "habits" and habits as in religious attire but they stink at basketball lol no pun intended
Quote from: TreeGhost on December 30, 2025, 08:48:53 PMHold your head high, MU players and coaches ... good days will come as long as good habits endure! :)
Sister's of the Poor have awesome "habits" and "habits" as in religious attire but they stink at basketball lol no pun intended Haha
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:46:03 PMI don't gamble and would never bet against my team.
Was a first for me too this season
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:46:03 PMI don't gamble and would never bet against my team.
too bad, it's been easy $$ with the insider info (watching games)
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:45:10 PMI thought we absolutely should have won.
Well was it coaching or players to blame?
In last six minutes:
No field goals made. It wasn't as if they were playing an NBA team
Ben Gold missed four wide open threes
Ross missed a break away layup, wide open three and wild layups
Sean Jones missed 2 wide open three, fouled on 3 point shot and turnover
Shaka subbed out James for Jones and bad, bad two minutes
Adrian Stevens jumped up in air with ball in hands
Gold had ball stolen on inbound play
Portal guy from Jacksonville St destroyed them on boards and defense
And that's all top of my head.
Is Shaka mailing it in now?
Maybe it's just the effect of losing, but he didn't seem interested in coaching them to attack.
Starts around the 7 min mark
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2025, 08:55:51 PMIs Shaka mailing it in now?
Maybe it's just the effect of losing, but he didn't seem interested in coaching them to attack.
to have Jones in there, I'd say yeah, Shaka has sent the mail
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 30, 2025, 08:26:55 PMRGV sounds like a respiratory virus.
It certainly does this year. For the last couple of years, it sounded like an effective erectile disfunction medicine.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 30, 2025, 08:51:14 PMThat team is in such a funk that Ben Gold seemed otherworldly good out there at times today.
Then you look at the box score and he was 1-7 from 3. I get he did a lot of other good things, but that's pretty telling.
Yep. Open dagger after open dagger missed. Can't do that as a senior "shooter". But without him, MU is not even in the game. His defensive wall ups are great. He had several tough rebounds and I liked his drives to the basket. He is a good player. Just have needed more out of him this year.
Quote from: MUeng on December 30, 2025, 08:43:57 PMi doubt it will be that bad as I can see Hurley experimenting with lineups and resting some players. MU still loses by 20+ though
Hurley isn't like that. He's been very vocal about his respect for Marquette and respects us enough to not hold back.
Case in point, our final home game during the '23-24 season was against UConn. They had already secured the Big East regular season title, and it was our senior night. Hurley saw to it that we lost anyway.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2025, 08:55:51 PMIs Shaka mailing it in now?
Maybe it's just the effect of losing, but he didn't seem interested in coaching them to attack.
He's looked checked out all season
At least we're not talking about tweets.
Shaka totally dejected in the postgame press conference.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 30, 2025, 09:09:19 PMShaka totally dejected in the postgame press conference.
Over what a poor in-game coach he is?
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 30, 2025, 09:09:19 PMShaka totally dejected in the postgame press conference.
Tough to act otherwise when you've had to eat a heaping pile of shhit all season.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 30, 2025, 09:09:19 PMShaka totally dejected in the postgame press conference.
Worn out from all the questions about tweets?
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 08:36:56 PMWe all knew we'd lose, it's why I hammered Seton Hall -1. But proud of how they fought for 35 minutes. Great showings from Nigel, Royce, even Josh and Damarius showed flashes. And Shaka sat our worst players like he should have done a month ago, but nice to see a change.
The kind of loss I'm ok with. Back and forth against a decent team with things to build on.
This is the best MU has played this year. Getting Gold in for Hamilton helped. Gold played well. Gold is the only frontline player that MU has who can play position D. He just needs to stop shooting 3s. James played well. Jones made some critical mistakes at crunch time and shows he's no PG. MU lost due to lack of talent and poor roster construction. MU's bigs get pushed around like rag dolls. MU was killed on the glass. Payne had over 20 rebounds.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 30, 2025, 09:03:53 PMYep. Open dagger after open dagger missed. Can't do that as a senior "shooter". But without him, MU is not even in the game. His defensive wall ups are great. He had several tough rebounds and I liked his drives to the basket. He is a good player. Just have needed more out of him this year.
This was the best version of Ben that I have seen. He wanted this game.
Different game if we could make bunnies
Send a donation to MU by midnight tomorrow to keep the Madison team from overthrowing what Marquette is building. They are scared and will try to stop us. It is our only hope.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 09:28:01 PMHe didn't sound happy.
He sounded like he wanted to cry. He made this team. No sympathy!
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on December 30, 2025, 09:26:54 PMThis was the best version of Ben that I have seen. He wanted this game.
Different game if we could make bunnies
Almost like 3+ years of trying to make him poor man's Steve Novak has been a bad idea all along.
Tightened up in the last few minutes.
- the game ended on a 13-0 SH run
Gold played good.
- He was 1-7 from 3, got pounded on the boards by Payne & then fouled out
Glad Tre and Caedin didn't play.
- Cardin started.
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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2025, 09:32:21 PMHe sounded like he wanted to cry. He made this team. No sympathy!
I don't think you need to worry about me being sympathetic in this case. :)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2025, 09:32:21 PMHe sounded like he wanted to cry. He made this team. No sympathy!
If Shaka stays, I will be amazed if he can hold on to the best players.
At this point I'm hoping there is some major off the court issue, just to explain this disaster.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2025, 09:45:02 PMIf Shaka stays, I will be amazed if he can hold on to the best players.
At this point I'm hoping there is some major off the court issue, just to explain this disaster.
It sounds like you're done WT, and if you had the 🔨 would use it immediately.
On our Dirty Dozen Marquette Brothers for Life Text Chain. I am always positive throughout the years. But I Finally went Negative today and they were saying someone stole my phone. Ha Ha
Stephon Payne of SH had 14pts and 22reb tonight.
Mr. Payne average 8&6 as a junior last year playing for Jacksonville
Marquette, the team, had 29 rebounds tonight
Marquette is littered with top 100 recruits.
I think Shaka will be able to keep his good young players. The freshmen are solid or will be more so. Next year we have some good pieces. Heck we need shooters and rebounder and a bangeri8n the middle. So with the freshmen, redshirts and next years class Shaka could have a de ent base. But he will have to use the portal to get what he feels he needs.
This year.... I think need to play the important pieces and do our best. Not going t9 the tourney so let everything else rip
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 30, 2025, 08:32:50 PMWhat was the lineup situation this game? Random and sporadic?
It was actually a ton better, but some questionable decisions down the stretch
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2025, 09:45:02 PMIf Shaka stays, I will be amazed if he can hold on to the best players.
At this point I'm hoping there is some major off the court issue, just to explain this disaster.
I think it is best we go different directions if Shaka can't commit to making this team as good as possible every single season.
Would someone please turn off the RGV board on the east side of the north basket! It's embarrassing!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2025, 08:55:51 PMIs Shaka mailing it in now?
Maybe it's just the effect of losing, but he didn't seem interested in coaching them to attack.
He's always had a habit of taking his foot off the gas late. The past teams covered it up. This one can't or hasn't yet.
Prior to this year, it was really my only complaint about Shaka
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 09:33:01 PMAlmost like 3+ years of trying to make him poor man's Steve Novak has been a bad idea all along.
Poor man's Dan Fitzgerald, who wss a poor man's Steve Novak.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 09:48:22 PMIt sounds like you're done WT, and if you had the 🔨 would use it immediately.
You are on the mark. But Shaka has accomplished enough to finish the season.
We can all see at DePaul what 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 win in the BE teams do to attendance and recruiting. There will be serious repercussions to a season like this.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 30, 2025, 09:59:32 PMHe's always had a habit of taking his foot off the gas late. The past teams covered it up. This one can't or hasn't yet.
Prior to this year, it was really my only complaint about Shaka
The offense is creating lots of open shots. We don't hit them. We miss 13-14 layups a game. We have no internal rim defense. These are problems. Our players can't shot, and defense this year is mediocre. Now Shaka's the coach so he is responsible. But shooters shoot in practice but in games they miss. lol. Hm.
Quote from: Daniel on December 30, 2025, 10:06:14 PMThe offense is creating lots of open shots. We don't hit them. We miss 13-14 layups a game. We have no internal rim defense. These are problems. Our players can't shot, and defense this year is mediocre. Now Shaka's the coach so he is responsible. But shooters shoot in practice but in games they miss. lol. Hm.
You're right but there's more nuance to this discussion. We did miss a bunch of open looks in the last 6 mins, but we also got ZERO opportunities inside the paint minus the Ross miss in transition. Furthermore, in ultimate crunch time, we had 3 turns, 2 bail outs where we out of control but got to the line, and two asinine fga's. None of them were good shots.
Team played well for 36 minutes, they the truth happened, poor coaching, no leadership on the court.
I watched Adrian Stevens a lot, did not score, he is a step slow. Not sure if the new frosh can score next year, but that has to be an area of concern.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 30, 2025, 10:10:50 PMTeam played well for 36 minutes, they the truth happened, poor coaching, no leadership on the court.
I watched Adrian Stevens a lot, did not score, he is a step slow. Not sure if the new frosh can score next year, but that has to be an area of concern.
True but would rather have Stevens in than Jones. Feel Marquette lost Momentum when Jones was in and it was too late and could not get momentum back after taking out Jones.
This team is missing a lot of pieces but the main one is we don't have an alpha scorer. Ross is a secondary role scorer.
Last year we had Kam and Jop. Prior years, Kolek.
That's why you have games where we cant finish games. No one wants the ball.
That's on Shaka.
Quote from: Big Papi on December 30, 2025, 10:17:58 PMThis team is missing a lot of pieces but the main one is we don't have an alpha scorer. Ross is a secondary role scorer.
Last year we had Kam and Jop. Prior years, Kolek.
That's why you have games where we cant finish games. No one wants the ball.
That's on Shaka.
Kolek was never our leading scorer in a season. That's what made us so good.
We had a starting lineup of 4 NBA players and Stevie. We are stratospheres away from that. Portal. Portal. Portal.
Mitchell often made huge plays during crunch time. And timely plays as well.
T-rank projects us to finish 9-22 after tonight (not including BET). I have no clue where to find four conference wins from. Projected to be favorites at home against Xavier and DePaul. That's it. And that may change shortly.
Marquette history aside, this will be an unprecedented trajectory of failure (four straight NCAAT seasons into a 20+ loss season). I cannot find a similar case study like this.
This team is so bad it's not even fun to come troll Scoop anymore. Anyone of you who want to keep Shaka as coach are insane.
Just heard one of the wildest sports related things I've heard in some time.
New Mexico, who beat Marquette in the tournament, lost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER AND COACH from last years team. Pitinos son left for Xavier.
Every single player.
They are 10-2!
Marquette lost 0 players and coaches.
They are 5-9.
Unbelievable. Remarkable. Devastating.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 30, 2025, 10:29:13 PMT-rank projects us to finish 9-22 after tonight (not including BET). I have no clue where to find four conference wins from. Projected to be favorites at home against Xavier and DePaul. That's it. And that may change shortly.
Marquette history aside, this will be an unprecedented trajectory of failure (four straight NCAAT seasons into a 20+ loss season). I cannot find a similar case study like this.
In college hoops history??
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 30, 2025, 10:03:27 PMPoor man's Dan Fitzgerald, who was a poor man's Steve Novak.
Reminds me of one of my favorite Josh Ritter songs, "Kathleen," including the lyrics near the beginning...
"They try and they try but everything that they do
Is the ghost of a trace of a pale imitation of you
I'll be the one to drive you back home Kathleen"
https://youtu.be/2Wbqlok2GbE?si=wJDJB4bHkVEZdNN-
And, yes, tonight's performance was a collective failure. Though I am a passionate and relentless MU fan, I choose to step away from the craziness and desolation of our current situation. I hope for better next year, like I did as a student from 84-88. Yikes.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 30, 2025, 10:31:47 PMJust heard one of the wildest sports related things I've heard in some time.
New Mexico, who beat Marquette in the tournament, lost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER AND COACH from last years team. Pitinos son left for Xavier.
Every single player.
They are 10-2!
Marquette lost 0 players and coaches.
They are 5-9.
Unbelievable. Remarkable. Devastating.
Wow. That is worth noting.
Elonsmusk is somewhere fuming that he can't point to a win as some evidence of "progress". Poor guy.
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 10:39:08 PMElonsmusk is somewhere fuming that he can't point to a win as some evidence of "progress". Poor guy.
I was impressed with a couple stretches where they got lost in the fight
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 30, 2025, 08:24:43 PMMarquette basketball is a game of runs. And by runs, I mean sh*tting ourselves whenever we have a significant lead.
Sadly, Marquette closes the year without a single Q1, Q2, or Q3 win. Hopefully next 2026 will be better.
By 2026, I assume you're referring to next Fall?
Quote from: DoctorV on December 30, 2025, 10:31:47 PMJust heard one of the wildest sports related things I've heard in some time.
New Mexico, who beat Marquette in the tournament, lost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER AND COACH from last years team. Pitinos son left for Xavier.
Every single player.
They are 10-2!
Marquette lost 0 players and coaches.
They are 5-9.
Unbelievable. Remarkable. Devastating.
Pretty sure Marquette lost a few important players.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 30, 2025, 09:22:41 PMThis is the best MU has played this year. Getting Gold in for Hamilton helped. Gold played well. Gold is the only frontline player that MU has who can play position D. He just needs to stop shooting 3s. James played well. Jones made some critical mistakes at crunch time and shows he's no PG. MU lost due to lack of talent and poor roster construction. MU's bigs get pushed around like rag dolls. MU was killed on the glass. Payne had over 20 rebounds.
He won't stop shooting 3's, if he is open is what he is supposed to do.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2025, 08:40:29 PMWell, I'll be in Hawaii tomorrow. Maybe I'll calm down a click or two.
Enjoy the new 11% tax
Quote from: Markusquette on December 30, 2025, 10:43:22 PMI was impressed with a couple stretches where they got lost in the fight
That was the 30 minutes in between them just being "lost", right?
It's going to be funny when Shaka moves on after this year but Nigel, Stevens and Sheek stay for the new coach instead of going with him
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 30, 2025, 10:57:02 PMHe won't stop shooting 3's, if he is open is what he is supposed to do.
The problem isn't him taking open 3s. The problem is that taking 3s is the entirety of his offensive game most nights. And if you're hitting them at a below 35% clip - and below 30% this year - that should not be the entirety of your offensive game.
Ben should have been developed as a well-rounded big who could stretch teams when necessary, but also provide some offense in the post. Instead, he was developed as a really tall spot-up shooter.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 30, 2025, 11:03:22 PMIt's going to be funny when Shaka moves on after this year but Nigel, Stevens and Sheek stay for the new coach instead of going with him
It would be ironic, but I think the roster might be like New Mexico's situation with a complete overhaul if he's gone.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 30, 2025, 10:43:22 PMI was impressed with a couple stretches where they got lost in the fight
Yup. And the way they "poured into each other" the first 35 minutes. Just wish they kept "pouring into each other" the last 5 minutes. That was the difference.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 30, 2025, 11:03:22 PMIt's going to be funny when Shaka moves on after this year but Nigel, Stevens and Sheek stay for the new coach instead of going with him
I don't think he's going anywhere, but if he flees from the mess he made it'll be the quickest heel turn since Hulk Hogan joined NWO.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 11:04:13 PMThe problem isn't him taking open 3s. The problem is that taking 3s is the entirety of his offensive game most nights. And if you're hitting them at a below 35% clip - and below 30% this year - that should not be the entirety of your offensive game.
Ben should have been developed as a well-rounded big who could stretch teams when necessary, but also provide some offense in the post. Instead, he was developed as a really tall spot-up shooter.
With a bad, flat shot at that.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 30, 2025, 11:03:22 PMIt's going to be funny when Shaka moves on after this year but Nigel, Stevens and Sheek stay for the new coach instead of going with him
Your lips to God's ears, JTJ3!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2025, 10:21:37 PMKolek was never our leading scorer in a season. That's what made us so good.
We had a starting lineup of 4 NBA players and Stevie. We are stratospheres away from that. Portal. Portal. Portal.
He wanted the ball at the end of games. He didn't have to shoot to win us games but he did take control of games.
There is not one single player on this team you can say that about.
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 11:05:46 PMYup. And the way they "poured into each other" the first 35 minutes. Just wish they kept "pouring into each other" the last 5 minutes. That was the difference.
The clichés and catchphrases are harder to stomach when the team is terrible
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 11:05:46 PMYup. And the way they "poured into each other" the first 35 minutes. Just wish they kept "pouring into each other" the last 5 minutes. That was the difference.
Hardly.
The difference in this game (and all the others) is the staggering amount of layups this team misses. It's bad enough we don't have shooters, missing layups is insane. Hit half your layups and the last 5 minutes would never have been an issue. We have to be the worst in division 1.
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 30, 2025, 11:12:04 PMHardly.
The difference in this game (and all the others) is the staggering amount of layups this team misses. It's bad enough we don't have shooters, missing layups is insane. Hit half your layups and the last 5 minutes would never have been an issue. We have to be the worst in division 1.
I was being facetious with Shaka's annoying ass cliches and platitudes.
Yes in all seriousness you're 1000% right. You know it's bad when FS1 has graphics ready for our awful layup percentages and we manage to hit that average.
Quote from: Big Papi on December 30, 2025, 11:10:18 PMHe wanted the ball at the end of games. He didn't have to shoot to win us games but he did take control of games.
There is not one single player on this team you can say that about.
None even close.
And as good as Kolek was, his job was made easier surrounded by 4 guys that could go get a buck themselves.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 11:05:58 PMI don't think he's going anywhere, but if he flees from the mess he made it'll be the quickest heel turn since Hulk Hogan joined NWO.
Can TJO be Sting hanging in the rafters?
Quote from: Markusquette on December 30, 2025, 10:43:22 PMI was impressed with a couple stretches where they got lost in the fight
Agree although All teams have stretches but Yes our 16 - 0 was nice. But followed by their 13-0 run.
According to ESPNs prob tracker thing, MU was over 90% to win at the 3:25 mark.
Guess ESPNs algo thought probability of us scoring more than 0 points in the last 3:25 of a basketball game was 0>. Shows what they know!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 30, 2025, 08:28:43 PMI think it's best we lose every game the rest of the year.
1) Shaka can move on to somewhere where this is acceptable.
2) I'm not sure any of us want to pick a SoG. None of them deserve it.
This you?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 23, 2025, 11:42:39 PMStill feel the exact same. I hope be recognizes that this is a place he can win big at for a long time. That will come with an occasional talent replenishment from the portal like we need this offseason.
I'd love for him to become synonymous with Marquette like Mark Few has become with Gonzaga or Izzo with Michigan State or Matt Painter with Purdue, etc. Because that would mean a whole bunch of winning here just like he's done so far.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2025, 12:32:50 AMThis you?
Yes.
Being the worst current program in high major basketball is an emotional experience. It's worse than I thought. We have nobody on this team capable of making a winning play against Seton Hall. 13-0 run at home to close is just flat out unacceptable.
Our Seniors next year are set to be Tre and Sean, both have been NET negatives to the team. We have no big man. In this very moment, I am personally ready for it to be over. Maybe tomorrow I'll think differently.
This team sucks and next year's will be worse without massive overhaul.
Collective failure is right. Many things involved. Feel Marquette's Program Strength this year has decreased and Saint John's has increased which is another problem or concern.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 30, 2025, 10:10:50 PMTeam played well for 36 minutes, they the truth happened, poor coaching, no leadership on the court.
I watched Adrian Stevens a lot, did not score, he is a step slow. Not sure if the new frosh can score next year, but that has to be an area of concern.
Not sure who this Adrian is, but "team played well for 36 minutes" is nonsense. We started off like a pile of dung; fortunately fouls helped the staff use the right lineup. for a good portion of the game. Then, more weird personnel choices near the end.
Just bizarre stuff that I cannot understand, unless SS has millions on a crazy under X wins bet.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 31, 2025, 12:37:35 AMYes.
Being the worst current program in high major basketball is an emotional experience. It's worse than I thought. We have nobody on this team capable of making a winning play against Seton Hall. 13-0 run at home to close is just flat out unacceptable.
Our Seniors next year are set to be Tre and Sean, both have been NET negatives to the team. We have no big man. In this very moment, I am personally ready for it to be over. Maybe tomorrow I'll think differently.
This team sucks and next year's will be worse without massive overhaul.
We are not a high major. We are a low major on our way to D2
It was obvious late in the game that we lack any leadership. Continuing to think that Chase Ross will make a good basketball decision is on the coaches. He's a dribbling turnover machine and Sean Jones brings nothing either. The 2 freshmen turnovers were painful too, but they're freshman with a potential upside.
Stop missing 14 lay ups a game.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 30, 2025, 10:31:47 PMJust heard one of the wildest sports related things I've heard in some time.
New Mexico, who beat Marquette in the tournament, lost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER AND COACH from last years team. Pitinos son left for Xavier.
Every single player.
They are 10-2!
Marquette lost 0 players and coaches.
They are 5-9.
Unbelievable. Remarkable. Devastating.
This is a terrible comparison
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 11:05:58 PMI don't think he's going anywhere, but if he flees from the mess he made it'll be the quickest heel turn since Hulk Hogan joined NWO.
Shaka is no Macho Man, not even Ravishing Rick Rude, that's for damn sure
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 10:39:08 PMElonsmusk is somewhere fuming that he can't point to a win as some evidence of "progress". Poor guy.
the usual optimists of dumbassery are no where to be found. But hey, Shaka had 4 great years and is our forever coach. ❤️
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 11:04:13 PMThe problem isn't him taking open 3s. The problem is that taking 3s is the entirety of his offensive game most nights. And if you're hitting them at a below 35% clip - and below 30% this year - that should not be the entirety of your offensive game.
Ben should have been developed as a well-rounded big who could stretch teams when necessary, but also provide some offense in the post. Instead, he was developed as a really tall spot-up shooter.
all the more reason why MU needs to do a Texas on Shaka in March. Our Cignetti is out there.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 30, 2025, 10:31:47 PMJust heard one of the wildest sports related things I've heard in some time.
New Mexico, who beat Marquette in the tournament, lost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER AND COACH from last years team. Pitinos son left for Xavier.
Every single player.
They are 10-2!
Marquette lost 0 players and coaches.
They are 5-9.
Unbelievable. Remarkable. Devastating.
You mean besides NBA draft pick Kam Jones, and four year contributors Jop and Stevie?
Viper - yes ... less and less
" optimists of dumbassery " around to defend Shaka. Unfortunately my guess would be that Kimo and Broeker are two of them ...
Marquette University has been ranked as high as #20 on what they spend on their Men's basketball program in recent years. We have the resources to be competitive.
The problem is we have a coach who chooses not to take advantage of the new rules in college basketball.
If we keep the coach and he doesn't adapt to the new landscape of college basketball we are Doomed to fail.
No one will watch this crap on tv or pay $$ to attend games.
Contributions to the Blue & Gold fund will dry up.
Shaka needs to address the issues not only to the administration but the fans.
The scarry part is the coaching staff sees the talent level of the players every day in practice and yet they
believe these players can succeed in the Big East.
Quote from: onepost on December 30, 2025, 11:22:35 PMI was being facetious with Shaka's annoying ass cliches and platitudes.
Yes in all seriousness you're 1000% right. You know it's bad when FS1 has graphics ready for our awful layup percentages and we manage to hit that average.
Anyone know what national average is for layup %? I have no idea.
Shaka and the coaches were enamored with the development of the original secondary NBA and high major players on their roster and thought they could do the same with similarly "ranked" high school players that were not in anyway similar in talent.
Many scoopers, including myself, had said that since the end of last year the roster didn't look good enough , with the caveat the we HOPED Shaka and many on the board were right in their assessments that this new wave of players were good enough. But it was pretty obvious we didn't have any alphas mentally or elite basketball skills on the roster (elite passers, elite shooters, elite rebounders, elite basketball instincts of any sort).
Huge lesson for everyone that stats don't lie and really, the eye test doesn't lie. To be a consistent top 25 team in the future we all should feel REALLY confident that 3-4 players are ELITE at something on our team. Not HOPE they will be.
I'll start. On next years team Nigel is an elite ball handler.
Thats it. Thats the entirety of the list so far for next year. So Shaka and the coaches have some work to do.
This reminds me of MU being one of the last schools to join a conference and we had to join the MCC.
By not utilizing the portal for the last 3 years MU has put themselves behind other teams when it comes to rebuilding a roster. I expect the results of this season will change that.
Quote from: Afroman on December 30, 2025, 08:29:16 PM
What is that swinging from the left side of his face?
Quote from: illiniwarriors on December 31, 2025, 08:58:53 AMMarquette University has been ranked as high as #20 on what they spend on their Men's basketball program in recent years. We have the resources to be competitive.
The problem is we have a coach who chooses not to take advantage of the new rules in college basketball.
If we keep the coach and he doesn't adapt to the new landscape of college basketball we are Doomed to fail.
No one will watch this crap on tv or pay $$ to attend games.
Contributions to the Blue & Gold fund will dry up.
Shaka needs to address the issues not only to the administration but the fans.
The scarry part is the coaching staff sees the talent level of the players every day in practice and yet they
believe these players can succeed in the Big East.
I have actually heard in the last couple days that Marquette's NIL chest was low this year and possibly a mess. Sounds like they need to hire a GM to get the actual collective organized.
I don't know how much that has to do with Shaka's
RELATIONSHIPS with the money guys or if that goes above him.
Unfortunately this program is equally in deep bantha poodoo whether this is all true or not
Quote from: Norm on December 31, 2025, 01:39:28 PMThis reminds me of MU being one of the last schools to join a conference and we had to join the MCC.
By not utilizing the portal for the last 3 years MU has put themselves behind other teams when it comes to rebuilding a roster. I expect the results of this season will change that.
Maybe. But the gap has become a galactic chasm.
Uphill. But what has changed?
Shaka put together a NCAA Tourney team his first year. I have confidence he can right the ship.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 31, 2025, 04:00:35 PMUphill. But what has changed?
Shaka put together a NCAA Tourney team his first year. I have confidence he can right the ship.
How is that working these days?
Everyone makes mistakes.
In my opinion, worth giving him the opportunity to redeem.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 01, 2026, 10:32:40 AMEveryone makes mistakes.
In my opinion, worth giving him the opportunity to redeem.
Shaka will be back unless he decides otherwise. He has built a lot of goodwill within the university. A repeat of this season in 26-27 and then it might be game over. Adjustments will be made. He is not an idiot.
Sometimes you recruit athletes and sometimes you recruit ballplayers.
Those who are both are special and rare.
The recent good teams had a good mix, especially with a very good ballplayer in Kolek running the show.
Today's team is definitely athlete (some are speculative on their athletic development) heavy with far less collective basketball skill.
The portal is a tactic to address this inbalance, but the overall recruiting strategy needs to shift to a balance between athlete and ballplayer.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 01, 2026, 10:32:40 AMEveryone makes mistakes.
In my opinion, worth giving him the opportunity to redeem.
The problem is he's built his brand (and MU leadership has doubled down on it) with his mistakes. Going into the Portal would be an admission that RVG hasn't worked and would result in a bunch of kids in Guatemala wearing "RVG" branded gear. Is Shaka (and Broker and Kimo) willing to do that?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 01, 2026, 01:32:58 PMThe problem is he's built his brand (and MU leadership has doubled down on it) with his mistakes. Going into the Portal would be an admission that RVG hasn't worked and would result in a bunch of kids in Guatemala wearing "RVG" branded gear. Is Shaka (and Broker and Kimo) willing to do that?
100% yes. I can't believe that is a real question.
The concept that MU is a bumbling Summit League university without leadership and that will piss away millions and their jobs is crazy. Seriously crazy.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 01, 2026, 01:32:58 PMThe problem is he's built his brand (and MU leadership has doubled down on it) with his mistakes. Going into the Portal would be an admission that RVG hasn't worked and would result in a bunch of kids in Guatemala wearing "RVG" branded gear. Is Shaka (and Broker and Kimo) willing to do that?
They'd all lose their jobs otherwise.
Trash - I hope you're right that SS will pivot on the RGV BS, but I think you're underestimating his hubris.
And, ( unlike the prior Admin ) I have
zero faith in Kimo and Broeker. Neither of them has any experience in their current roles and I think they both are likely in over their heads.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on January 01, 2026, 01:32:58 PMThe problem is he's built his brand (and MU leadership has doubled down on it) with his mistakes. Going into the Portal would be an admission that RVG hasn't worked and would result in a bunch of kids in Guatemala wearing "RVG" branded gear. Is Shaka (and Broker and Kimo) willing to do that?
It's a choice between staying employed at a P5 program with excellent support and good resources (plus $3 million-plus salary) or unemployment followed by a stint back in the A-10 or maybe American or Mountain West, for between a quarter and a third of the money.
I don't think it's all that hard of a decision.
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 01, 2026, 03:00:44 PMTrash - I hope you're right that SS will pivot on the RGV BS, but I think you're underestimating his hubris.
And, ( unlike the prior Admin ) I have
zero faith in Kimo and Broeker. Neither of them has any experience in their current roles and I think they both are likely in over their heads.
If true, then MU alumni and employees have more to worry about than basketball.
Gentlemen
Our beloved basketball program is in a world of hurt as we all know.The way out is clear and doable but will Shaka admit he was wrong and start using the portal and bring in some mercenaries.The days of student athletes and loyalty to a school and program are forever Gone.
As I sit here watching the Rose Bowl you can see how a young energetic coach with access to a lot of $$$ to use for pay to play and NIL from Mark Cuban can turn a losing culture for 40 + years into America's team.
And lets face it it is so much harder to do in football as compared to basketball.
If you want to win in the current landscape of college basketball you Must deal with agents and use the portal.
If Shaka is uncomfortable doing it then he needs to hire a GM or resign and find an Ivy league job.Who does he think he's fooling.
I think there are levels to abandoning RGV, and my fear is Shaka only does a half measure and uses Zaide's scholarship on a Wrightsil level player. He needs to tell a couple more players that it's time to go, and the highest paid players on the team should be the transfers even if they're only hired guns, because that's what it's gonna take to actually turn this thing around in a meaningful way.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on January 01, 2026, 05:37:54 PMI think there are levels to abandoning RGV, and my fear is Shaka only does a half measure and uses Zaide's scholarship on a Wrightsil level player. He needs to tell a couple more players that it's time to go, and the highest paid players on the team should be the transfers even if they're only hired guns, because that's what it's gonna take to actually turn this thing around in a meaningful way.
Yes. He cannot use RGV to fill the empty starting spots.
James
Stevens
Parham
can start. The other 2 starting spots must be filled with Veteran transfers that can lead a team. Use RGV to earn spots moving forward but the rest of our starting lineup and identity must come from the portal. A scoring guard and an actual real center.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 01, 2026, 07:06:44 PMYes. He cannot use RGV to fill the empty starting spots.
James
Stevens
Parham
can start. The other 2 starting spots must be filled with Veteran transfers that can lead a team. Use RGV to earn spots moving forward but the rest of our starting lineup and identity must come from the portal. A scoring guard and an actual real center.
You're forgetting about our starting center. 10,000 more hook shots this summer and we're good to go.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 01, 2026, 07:10:46 PMYou're forgetting about our starting center. 10,000 more hook shots this summer and we're good to go.
Plus his NBA level enthusiasm :-\
Quote from: illiniwarriors on January 01, 2026, 04:26:30 PMGentlemen
Our beloved basketball program is in a world of hurt as we all know.The way out is clear and doable but will Shaka admit he was wrong and start using the portal and bring in some mercenaries.The days of student athletes and loyalty to a school and program are forever Gone.
As I sit here watching the Rose Bowl you can see how a young energetic coach with access to a lot of $$$ to use for pay to play and NIL from Mark Cuban can turn a losing culture for 40 + years into America's team.
And lets face it it is so much harder to do in football as compared to basketball.
If you want to win in the current landscape of college basketball you Must deal with agents and use the portal.
If Shaka is uncomfortable doing it then he needs to hire a GM or resign and find an Ivy league job.Who does he think he's fooling.
I guess they ignored the IU fan boards complaining how terrible their football program has been and went for the money. Otherwise it would have never happened.
Quote from: illiniwarriors on January 01, 2026, 04:26:30 PMGentlemen
Our beloved basketball program is in a world of hurt as we all know.The way out is clear and doable but will Shaka admit he was wrong and start using the portal and bring in some mercenaries.The days of student athletes and loyalty to a school and program are forever Gone.
As I sit here watching the Rose Bowl you can see how a young energetic coach with access to a lot of $$$ to use for pay to play and NIL from Mark Cuban can turn a losing culture for 40 + years into America's team.
And lets face it it is so much harder to do in football as compared to basketball.
If you want to win in the current landscape of college basketball you Must deal with agents and use the portal.
If Shaka is uncomfortable doing it then he needs to hire a GM or resign and find an Ivy league job.Who does he think he's fooling.
Indiana's football coach is 64 years old.
Quote from: Badgerhater on January 01, 2026, 12:07:51 PMSometimes you recruit athletes and sometimes you recruit ballplayers.
Those who are both are special and rare.
The recent good teams had a good mix, especially with a very good ballplayer in Kolek running the show.
Today's team is definitely athlete (some are speculative on their athletic development) heavy with far less collective basketball skill.
The portal is a tactic to address this inbalance, but the overall recruiting strategy needs to shift to a balance between athlete and ballplayer
I have a friend who has been an NBA scout for the last 35 years and he says the same thing about being athletic and being a basketball player That combo is rare
Quote from: illiniwarriors on January 01, 2026, 04:26:30 PMGentlemen
Our beloved basketball program is in a world of hurt as we all know.The way out is clear and doable but will Shaka admit he was wrong and start using the portal and bring in some mercenaries.The days of student athletes and loyalty to a school and program are forever Gone.
As I sit here watching the Rose Bowl you can see how a young energetic coach with access to a lot of $$$ to use for pay to play and NIL from Mark Cuban can turn a losing culture for 40 + years into America's team.
And lets face it it is so much harder to do in football as compared to basketball.
If you want to win in the current landscape of college basketball you Must deal with agents and use the portal.
If Shaka is uncomfortable doing it then he needs to hire a GM or resign and find an Ivy league job.Who does he think he's fooling.
If "a young energetic coach" is a reference to Curt Cignetti, then must not know he's 64 years old. Which makes him 16 years older than Shaka.
Quote from: Tums Festival on January 04, 2026, 03:22:55 AMIf "a young energetic coach" is a reference to Curt Cignetti, then must not know he's 64 years old. Which makes him 16 years older than Shaka.
64 is the new 34, amirite?
The spread on MU vs UCONN down to 19.5.
Quote from: illiniwarriors on January 04, 2026, 07:47:31 AMThe spread on MU vs UCONN down to 19.5.
How many times have we been roughly 20 point dogs?