Excellent synopsis below. Keep this for the time capsule
https://x.com/noescalators/status/2005480011596509340?s=46
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 10:10:13 PMExcellent synopsis below. Keep this for the time capsule
https://x.com/noescalators/status/2005480011596509340?s=46
If you don't know how to read, MUBB's Tweet does make it sound like a fight happened.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:29:04 PMIf you don't know how to read, MUBB's Tweet does make it sound like a fight happened.
Now Shaka will have to answer questions about what actually happened rather than saying goodbye and good luck to zaide.
Just another low during an all time pathetic season.
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 10:30:36 PMNow Shaka will have to answer questions about what actually happened rather than saying goodbye and good luck to zaide.
Just another low during an all time pathetic season.
I'm certain the media would've never asked him about Zaide leaving in the middle of the season if not for MUBB's Tweet.
Good thing we've established Shaka is a liar to the media already, so he can just do that some more.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:33:35 PMI'm certain the media would've never asked him about Zaide leaving in the middle of the season if not for MUBB's Tweet.
Good thing we've established Shaka is a liar to the media already, so he can just do that some more.
The line of questioning will be much different now than if Marquette account never responded.
Their acknowledgment gives validity to the fact something along those lines occurred.
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 10:36:47 PMThe line of questioning will be much different now than if Marquette account never responded.
Their acknowledgment gives validity to the fact something along those lines occurred.
How?
MU pr department could have and maybe should have wrote "There was no physical altercation", or if they wanted to get specific, "It was a verbal altercation". That is of course if there was no physical contact.
Maybe if Lowery has a social media account, he can help out Shaka the coach that recruited and developed him, by writing something denying the alleged fight.
Let's see if the reporter Ben Steele earns his pay as a beat reporter and can obtain the true, actual facts about what occurred. I am sure he has contacts/sources and there were probably numerous witnesses who can verify if such an incident took place. But, sometimes reporters will not print it in order to save face with the team they cover, fear of losing personal contacts with the team.
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 10:36:47 PMThe line of questioning will be much different now than if Marquette account never responded.
Their acknowledgment gives validity to the fact something along those lines occurred.
There wasn't an acknowledgement. There was a denial. Some of you are intentionally misreading the post - which certainly could have been better worded - so you can have faux outrage over the situation.
I haven't read all the twits about this. Does any one of them claim that a physical altercation happened?
When I first saw the word "altercation," I actually assumed it was verbal, because physical altercations between athletes and coaches are pretty damn rare these days.
I mean, just a few days ago, Steve Kerr and Draymond Green definitely had an altercation. And it definitely wasn't physical. That kind of thing happens fairly often.
I'm with Zaide. Drop gloves on Cody Hatt? Dude definitely has a punchable face. Our next game, tv close-ups of the bench just got interesting. (If it happened, of course 😉)
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 11:00:55 PMThere wasn't an acknowledgement. There was a denial. Some of you are intentionally misreading the post - which certainly could have been better worded - so you can have faux outrage over the situation.
Yes. They certainly could have worded it better.
Or better yet, not said anything at all! No one would have cared.
This was all completely preventable by Mubb. Some of you just don't seem to realize that.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 11:00:55 PMThere wasn't an acknowledgement. There was a denial. Some of you are intentionally misreading the post - which certainly could have been better worded - so you can have faux outrage over the situation.
Eh, I read it and see #muMbb acknowledging an "altercation", don't you? It's problematic, dumb and dangerous. #lawsuitsOnDeck?
May help Zaide get granted immediate eligibility.
So many own goals here. First and foremost, shouldn't Marquette have learned not to respond to troll accounts after the Danielle Josetti disaster trying to argue against the Providence burner "Tyler can't read" jokes?
But in this case, it's not just that they responded to the troll, but instead of deleting and moving on, gave a non-confirmation confirmation by using the wording "the altercation" which turns it from a rumor into something that can be read to have happened.
Presumably, the correction was done by one of the adults in the room after realizing the initial response was poor, and if that's the case speaks really poorly of the adults in the room. This is comms 101 where who you respond to and words you choose to respond matter.
And of course, this will all be more heavily scrutinized in a year where there aren't any wins to discuss. Just PR idiocy all around.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:33:35 PMI'm certain the media would've never asked him about Zaide leaving in the middle of the season if not for MUBB's Tweet.
Good thing we've established Shaka is a liar to the media already, so he can just do that some more.
The Marquette account took away all of shaka's leverage.
Rather than allowing him to control the narrative, now reporters have a responsibility to ask about something the official Marquette basketball account shared, which may or may not be true.
*mind you all of this stems from an official account responding to a gentleman/twitter egg named white Sox bill
The fact that they STILL haven't deleted the Tweet shows how completely incompetent they are.
Quote from: SOSW on December 29, 2025, 07:55:31 AMThe fact that they STILL haven't deleted the Tweet shows how completely incompetent they are.
Something tells me that if they did delete it, you'd come up with some other reason to say they were incompetent for doing so.
I care -zero- if some MU intern makes a middling mistake in responding to a stupid twitter post, whether it is true or not--just like the "Tyler can't read" thing I completely forgot about 5 minutes after it was posted. I forgot about it because it matters -zero- to anyone that is not trying to build a grievance.
I never like to see any player removed from the team I care for because it is a sign that something is wrong. Well, we knew that something was very wrong already. My greatest fear was that our coach wasn't willing to do what needs to be done to fix things. This gets rid of a project that failed, opening the door to get rid of other longshot projects that failed, and has me feeling better about our return to relevance.
As for Zaide, I wish you well, but will promptly forget about your limited contributions to the team as I look forward to a portal addition that will make a difference.
There is indeed a difference between saying that the inaccuracy related to "an altercation" versus saying "the altercation." BFD.
It's a first step. I hope there are more.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 29, 2025, 08:05:57 AMSomething tells me that if they did delete it, you'd come up with some other reason to say they were incompetent for doing so.
Nope. It would be the smart thing to do. Then learn from the mistake and don't do it again.
Someone forgot the first rule of The Fight Club.
I will miss Zaide's ability to dunk in games, something many on this team lack already.
matzos burger needs to tweet some sh1t to MU now
I guess we'll see if anyone has a black eye tomorrow...
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Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 29, 2025, 08:05:57 AMSomething tells me that if they did delete it, you'd come up with some other reason to say they were incompetent for doing so.
Haha exactly. People just want to cry. That's the only reason there is to complain about this.
Josetti responding to a troll saying Kolek couldn't read was such a black eye on the program, the university, and the marketing department that literally nobody cares about it, other than when the team is losing and we can't cry enough about how bad the team is so we have to pretend we're still mad about something that nobody outside of Scoop even remembers happened.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 07:54:29 AMThe Marquette account took away all of shaka's leverage.
Rather than allowing him to control the narrative, now reporters have a responsibility to ask about something the official Marquette basketball account shared, which may or may not be true.
*mind you all of this stems from an official account responding to a gentleman/twitter egg named white Sox bill
What "leverage?" What "narrative" can Shaka now not use because MUBB said there wasn't an altercation?
I can't believe people actually think the "media" would see that a guy who began the year as a starter for Marquette was released from the team midseason, and think that no questions would've been brought up to Shaka if Marquette's basketball Twitter account hadn't denied a rumor that had already been brought up outside of Twitter.
Quote from: connie on December 29, 2025, 08:11:42 AMI care -zero- if some MU intern makes a middling mistake in responding to a stupid twitter post, whether it is true or not--just like the "Tyler can't read" thing I completely forgot about 5 minutes after it was posted. I forgot about it because it matters -zero- to anyone that is not trying to build a grievance.
Nailed it.
This is "Larry Williams wore a dirty cap"-level feigned outrage.
Glad Connie cares -zero-. Makes me feel assured everything is going well with the program right now
Quote from: Markusquette on December 29, 2025, 09:36:39 AMGlad Connie cares -zero-. Makes me feel assured everything is going well with the program right now
If anyone has "responded to a tweet" among their concerns about the program right now, Shaka should thank the person who runs the account for distracting people from things that matter.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 09:32:38 AMNailed it.
This is "Larry Williams wore a dirty cap"-level feigned outrage.
There is no "feigned outrage." There actually isn't any outrage at all. It's pointing out that this is another complete PR own goal by MU's athletic department.
It's really impressive how many PR "experts" there are on this board that don't know wtf they're talking about.
Common MU marketing L
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 09:26:34 AMWhat "leverage?" What "narrative" can Shaka now not use because MUBB said there wasn't an altercation?
I can't believe people actually think the "media" would see that a guy who began the year as a starter for Marquette was released from the team midseason, and think that no questions would've been brought up to Shaka if Marquette's basketball Twitter account hadn't denied a rumor that had already been brought up outside of Twitter.
The venn diagram of people freaking out over the MUBB tweet and the people irrationally mad about shaka/this season is an overlapping circle.
No matter what MU did or did not do after the davenport tweet would have been framed as wrong.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 10:01:16 AMIt's really impressive how many PR "experts" there are on this board that don't know wtf they're talking about.
I mean, I've been working in higher education PR for 30 plus years and given workshops in crisis communications particularly focusing on social media.
At the very least it's given me a great new example of how NOT to do things.
Responding to a troll... using imprecise language away from your well crafted initial statement... watching it Streisand Effect out of your control, etc.
It's actually impressive how bad they managed this.
Quote from: SOSW on December 29, 2025, 09:48:48 AMThere is no "feigned outrage." There actually isn't any outrage at all. It's pointing out that this is another complete PR own goal by MU's athletic department.
I'm not mad. Please don't put in the newspaper that I got mad.
Quote from: connie on December 29, 2025, 08:11:42 AMI care -zero- if some MU intern makes a middling mistake in responding to a stupid twitter post, whether it is true or not--just like the "Tyler can't read" thing I completely forgot about 5 minutes after it was posted. I forgot about it because it matters -zero- to anyone that is not trying to build a grievance.
Simply not true. The response by the initial account brought the issue to the masses and elicited quite a bit of response that would not have been there otherwise. MU very quickly became the butt of the active Big East twitterverse's jokes and main stream media's commentary for more than just its on the court ineptitude this year. You don't have to have a grievance to be embarrassed by that. MU has typically been above that and respected as a program. That was kind of nice. Hard to believe the crapshow the program has become in such a short time.
Quote from: SOSW on December 29, 2025, 10:12:35 AMI mean, I've been working in higher education PR for 30 plus years and given workshops in crisis communications particularly focusing on social media.
At the very least it's given me a great new example of how NOT to do things.
Responding to a troll... using imprecise language away from your well crafted initial statement... watching it Streisand Effect out of your control, etc.
It's actually impressive how bad they managed this.
And I have a friend that is in high-level PR that completely disagrees with you.
The false info had already started to spread. You had dummies here that were taking it as fact.
When something starts to spread and it involves allegations of a physical altercation the right approach is to squash it and set the record straight.
The only issue was Marquette's response should have been worded better.
Perhaps you should look for a new line of work.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 29, 2025, 10:21:50 AMSimply not true. The response by the initial account brought the issue to the masses and elicited quite a bit of response that would not have been there otherwise. MU very quickly became the butt of the active Big East twitterverse's jokes and main stream media's commentary for more than just its on the court ineptitude this year. You don't have to have a grievance to be embarrassed by that. MU has typically been above that and respected as a program. That was kind of nice. Hard to believe the crapshow the program has become in such a short time.
I can see the signs in MSG now: "MU has inaccurate tweets." No doubt the crushing impact of this fearsome blow will result in a first round exit.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 10:22:57 AMAnd I have a friend that is in high-level PR that completely disagrees with you.
The false info had already started to spread. You had dummies here that were taking it as fact.
When something starts to spread and it involves allegations of a physical altercation the right approach is to squash it and set the record straight.
The only issue was Marquette's response should have been worded better.
Perhaps you should look for a new line of work.
But they didn't squash it. They amplified it through poor language. And they did so using the wrong methodology.
They could have planted a statement with Ben Steele or responded to your own statement with additional clarity. And they could have easily done so this morning.
But they chose...responding to "whitesoxbill" late on a Sunday evening. If your "friend" thinks this was smart, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 29, 2025, 10:21:50 AMSimply not true. The response by the initial account brought the issue to the masses and elicited quite a bit of response that would not have been there otherwise. MU very quickly became the butt of the active Big East twitterverse's jokes and main stream media's commentary for more than just its on the court ineptitude this year. You don't have to have a grievance to be embarrassed by that. MU has typically been above that and respected as a program. That was kind of nice. Hard to believe the crapshow the program has become in such a short time.
Wow, talk about overreacting.
So ... did any reference to any "altercation" between Lowery and Hatt anywhere claim it was physical rather than verbal?
Physical = Knight choking Reed or Sprewell attacking Carlesimo.
Verbal = something that happens in high-level sports regularly.
Big difference, and one that matters IMHO.
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2025, 10:34:33 AMBig difference, and one that matters IMHO.
Agreed, and it's completely possibly the "altercation" was "f*ck you, I'm leaving", and Zaide had already decided to go.
I'll still be on #blackeye #bustedlip watch during the game tomorrow.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 29, 2025, 10:21:50 AMSimply not true. The response by the initial account brought the issue to the masses and elicited quite a bit of response that would not have been there otherwise.
You don't know this, and people who keep saying this don't understand social media. Once something like that is out there, you have no idea where it's going to go. It might die off in hours, or it might "go viral" and be assumed as fact by the masses. Players duking it out with coaches is probably bad for Marquette basketball's reputation, don't you think?
As I wrote in the other thread, Google "Kate Cornett" for an idea of how these things can spiral.
QuoteMU very quickly became the butt of the active Big East twitterverse's jokes and main stream media's commentary for more than just its on the court ineptitude this year.
Who in the mainstream media is talking about Marquette's tweets?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 10:39:46 AMWho in the mainstream media is talking about Marquette's tweets?
. Resolution for 2026: Avoid the active Big East twitterverse.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 09:40:32 AMIf anyone has "responded to a tweet" among their concerns about the program right now, Shaka should thank the person who runs the account for distracting people from things that matter.
Is this the biggest concern? No, obviously that's the program falling to Dukiet levels of success in one offseason. But the constant ineptitude of Marquette's athletic administration is an issue.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 10:01:16 AMIt's really impressive how many PR "experts" there are on this board that don't know wtf they're talking about.
With something like this, it doesn't take a "PR expert" but rather someone with basic social media common sense to see that this is incredibly stupid on MU social media's part.
I must say - the irrational defending of our program's social media account directly responding to an online troll account is the most competitive I have seen the program this season.
For that, I thank all of you.
Zaide Lowery is a Junior that started the first nine games of the season. He lost his starting position to a freshman. I am sure that is difficult to take. Obviously Zaide didn't handle the situation in the best of ways. It happens. Good luck to him at his next school. People need to move on. Doesn't mean the program is falling apart. Is this a tough season? Absolutely. Unfortunately some posters are handling it like Zaide did his situation.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 10:39:46 AMWho in the mainstream media is talking about Marquette's tweets?
The departure is getting more attention than it otherwise would have because MU chiming in about an altercation put a lot more eyes on the issue than a tweet by "Whitesoxbill" to his 1,500 followers would have. People leave programs all the time; there aren't often reported altercations leading to those departures.
Just frustrating and hard to believe how badly MU has fallen in a blink. I was pretty supportive and proud of what Shaka was trying to do with the program. I had no idea they could possibly mis-evaluate what they have in house so incredibly badly. That got this snowball rolling downhill and this Zaide episode is likely a byproduct of the frustration they must all be feeling. The tweets are not a huge deal, but they certainly gave people fodder for more MU jokes than just about terrible play.
Quote from: SOSW on December 29, 2025, 10:12:35 AMI mean, I've been working in higher education PR for 30 plus years and given workshops in crisis communications particularly focusing on social media.
At the very least it's given me a great new example of how NOT to do things.
Responding to a troll... using imprecise language away from your well crafted initial statement... watching it Streisand Effect out of your control, etc.
It's actually impressive how bad they managed this.
Higher education, 30 years, giving workshops in communication - and you didn't get to adverbs yet?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 10:22:57 AMAnd I have a friend that is in high-level PR that completely disagrees with you.
The false info had already started to spread. You had dummies here that were taking it as fact.
Which doesn't mean you have to validate it.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 10:22:57 AMWhen something starts to spread and it involves allegations of a physical altercation the right approach is to squash it and set the record straight.
Except...they didn't do that. With the original tweet or the edit.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 10:22:57 AMThe only issue was Marquette's response should have been worded better.
Perhaps you should look for a new line of work.
No, the correct response would have been far different. First, it shouldn't have been a flippant Twitter reply. It could've been an anonymous report to a trusted local or national source, like Ben Steele or Matt Norlander. Or have an official statement that actually reflects the message you want to put out there.
There's no way to justify making an inadequate response to a known troll account that was "corrected" to make the problem worse as not an issue. Now in tomorrow's post game, Ben HAS to ask about it, and Shaka HAS to respond. That's a stupid position to put the program and coach in when they could've just said nothing and it would've blown over.
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 29, 2025, 11:03:28 AMThe departure is getting more attention than it otherwise would have because MU chiming in about an altercation put a lot more eyes on the issue than a tweet by "Whitesoxbill" to his 1,500 followers would have. People leave programs all the time; there aren't often reported altercations leading to those departures.
So, nobody in the mainstream media is talking about Marquette basketball's tweets.
Got it.
QuoteJust frustrating and hard to believe how badly MU has fallen in a blink. I was pretty supportive and proud of what Shaka was trying to do with the program. I had no idea they could possibly mis-evaluate what they have in house so incredibly badly. That got this snowball rolling downhill and this Zaide episode is likely a byproduct of the frustration they must all be feeling. The tweets are not a huge deal, but they certainly gave people fodder for more MU jokes than just about terrible play.
1. Your frustration/unhappiness with how poorly the season has gone is totally understandable. I share them 100% and have been more critical of Shaka's strategy than most here going back to last offseason. But none of that has anything to do with a poorly worded tweet. It's not related. There's no cause-and-effect. It's not symptomatic of the program's struggles. It's just a poorly worded tweet.
2. You probably shouldn't care so much about what fans of other teams have to say about Marquette on twitter or anywhere else.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 29, 2025, 10:05:39 AMThe venn diagram of people freaking out over the MUBB tweet and the people irrationally mad about shaka/this season is an overlapping circle.
No matter what MU did or did not do after the davenport tweet would have been framed as wrong.
100% correct. As is Pakuni and his take that this is nothing more than faux outrage from those who are all twisted about this tweet language.
The Cracked Sidewalks tweet was ridiculous and more faux outrage - I'm sure BrewCity77 is responsible for this clown tweet:
https://x.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/2005469477069373483
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 11:12:58 AMNow in tomorrow's post game, Ben HAS to ask about it, and Shaka HAS to respond. That's a stupid position to put the program and coach in when they could've just said nothing and it would've blown over.
Ben was going to ask about the reasons for Zaide's departure anyhow. And Shaka was going to have to respond anyhow. And once they do, it'll blow over.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 10:34:01 AMWow, talk about overreacting.
which do you disagree with...that Marquette basketball is currently a crapshow, or the downfall has been swift?
The downfall started about a year ago. That a proud, winning program is not only offering an on-court crapshow, but is 100% in the crapper is irrefutable.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 11:21:09 AMBen was going to ask about the reasons for Zaide's departure anyhow. And Shaka was going to have to respond anyhow. And once they do, it'll blow over.
Exactly. I do not understand how people actually think that if Marquette's basketball account hadn't Tweeted that there wasn't an altercation, or that the details of an altercation were incorrect, that Ben Steele would simply avoid the subject of a guy who had began the season as a starter leaving the program in the middle of the season. Come on now. So much irrationality here.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 29, 2025, 11:19:08 AMThe Cracked Sidewalks tweet was ridiculous and more faux outrage - I'm sure BrewCity77 is responsible for this clown tweet:
https://x.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/2005469477069373483
As usual, you are wrong. The take, however, is correct.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 11:21:09 AMBen was going to ask about the reasons for Zaide's departure anyhow. And Shaka was going to have to respond anyhow. And once they do, it'll blow over.
He would've asked about the departure. Now he has to ask about The Altercation. And that question is wholly of Marquette's making.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 11:32:20 AMHe would've asked about the departure. Now he has to ask about The Altercation. And that question is wholly of Marquette's making.
Inaccurate
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 11:30:42 AMAs usual, you are wrong. The take, however, is correct.
Nah...I know I'm right on this one. That tweet reeks of angry BrewCity77. If only hot dogs had been served at the free open scrimmage awhile back.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 29, 2025, 11:33:13 AMInaccurate
Nominee for post of the year, but only if you edit it ;D
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 29, 2025, 11:34:21 AMNah...I know I'm right on this one. That tweet reeks of angry BrewCity77. If only hot dogs had been served at the free open scrimmage awhile back.
I haven't tweeted from that account in over a decade. I'm barely on Twitter at all.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 11:35:10 AMNominee for post of the year, but only if you edit it ;D
I saw a tweet yesterday that had me laughing out loud. They kept the #MUBB and #WeAreMarquette in the footer of the original message. Just absolutely hilarious.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 11:32:20 AMHe would've asked about the departure. Now he has to ask about The Altercation. And that question is wholly of Marquette's making.
Ben wouldn't have asked if there was an altercation had MU not tweeted at all?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 11:32:20 AMHe would've asked about the departure. Now he has to ask about The Altercation. And that question is wholly of Marquette's making.
I just hope Shaka and the program can recover from being asked a slightly modified version of a question he was going to be asked regardless.
Saying a prayer for him tonight.
***Reporter before Marquette tweet - "Shaka, is there anything you want to say regarding Zaide leaving the program?"
Shaka - "We wish him well, he's good hard-working kid and we will help him land somewhere we he can succeed."
***Reporter after Marquette tweet - "Shaka, can you address the rumors swirling of a physical altercation between a player and staff member? Was that the reason the player left your program? Was he kicked off of the team, or did he decide to leave on his own?
Shaka - "Next question. I won't be addressing rumors."
There is a big difference optically in the response between the two.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 11:47:29 AM***Reporter before Marquette tweet - "Shaka, is there anything you want to say regarding Zaide leaving the program?"
Shaka - "We wish him well, he's good hard-working kid and we will help him land somewhere we he can succeed."
***Reporter after Marquette tweet - "Shaka, can you address the rumors swirling of a physical altercation between a player and staff member? Was that the reason the player left your program? Was he kicked off of the team, or did he decide to leave on his own?
Shaka - "Next question. I won't be addressing rumors."
There is a big difference optically in the response between the two.
Neither question would be/will be asked that way.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 11:47:29 AMThere is a big difference optically in the response between the two.
Is there? I'm going to need an explanation on why because I see them both as coach-speak non answers. Which, to be fair, is all that I ever expected to hear from any coach about a departing player.
Since the original tweet came from White Sox Bill, aren't we not allowed to get excited about all this?
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 11:47:29 AM***Reporter before Marquette tweet - "Shaka, is there anything you want to say regarding Zaide leaving the program?"
Shaka - "We wish him well, he's good hard-working kid and we will help him land somewhere we he can succeed."
***Reporter after Marquette tweet - "Shaka, can you address the rumors swirling of a physical altercation between a player and staff member? Was that the reason the player left your program? Was he kicked off of the team, or did he decide to leave on his own?
Shaka - "Next question. I won't be addressing rumors."
There is a big difference optically in the response between the two.
Why wouldn't Ben ask about physical altercation rumors if MU never tweeted?
I'm just glad the program defenders are working harder on their responses in this thread than Marquette's MBB social media manager put into that tweet.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 12:17:30 PMI'm just glad the program defenders are working harder on their responses in this thread than Marquette's MBB social media manager put into that tweet.
I've been plenty critical of the program on issues that actually matter ... roster construction, the portal, use of resources, recruiting, etc. I was saying long ago that Shaka's strategy would lead to a decline, while some of us were painting a wildly inaccurate and rosy picture about this team's prospects.
Maybe if things were rolling on the court I'd have to stoop to hot dogs and tweets for something to complain about. But as it is, I find it trivial and unimportant.
Quote from: connie on December 29, 2025, 10:29:44 AMI can see the signs in MSG now: "MU has inaccurate tweets." No doubt the crushing impact of this fearsome blow will result in a first round exit.
Huh? Reading is a skill.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 12:26:42 PMMaybe if things were rolling on the court I'd have to stoop to hot dogs and tweets for something to complain about. But as it is, I find it trivial and unimportant.
Actually, it IS the most interesting conversation about Marquette hoops right now, as evidenced by your replies ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 11:12:58 AMWhich doesn't mean you have to validate it.
Except...they didn't do that. With the original tweet or the edit.
No, the correct response would have been far different. First, it shouldn't have been a flippant Twitter reply. It could've been an anonymous report to a trusted local or national source, like Ben Steele or Matt Norlander. Or have an official statement that actually reflects the message you want to put out there.
There's no way to justify making an inadequate response to a known troll account that was "corrected" to make the problem worse as not an issue. Now in tomorrow's post game, Ben HAS to ask about it, and Shaka HAS to respond. That's a stupid position to put the program and coach in when they could've just said nothing and it would've blown over.
Wrong. You're assuming it would have "blown over". You're assuming it wouldn't have spread further, yet you had dumbasses here repeating it as fact. People here have quoted that account multiple times thinking it was an actual source because they don't take the time to look into it.
If you don't think that could have spread further or continued to impact Zaide adversely with it being ignored I don't know what to tell you other than you're wrong.
Unfortunately, this is the world we live in now. Criticizing the execution is fair. Ignoring wouldn't have been the right move.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2025, 12:30:40 PMActually, it IS the most interesting conversation about Marquette hoops right now, as evidenced by your replies ;D
Kinda fair point, but I wouldn't call interesting a synonym for important.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 12:35:11 PMKinda fair point, but I wouldn't call interesting a synonym for important.
Oh, well I totally agree it's trivial and unimportant!
Well, Zaide leaving is the important part. But even if he needed to go, the question of how/why now is interesting.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 12:32:44 PMWrong. You're assuming it would have "blown over". You're assuming it wouldn't have spread further, yet you had dumbasses here repeating it as fact. People here have quoted that account multiple times thinking it was an actual source because they don't take the time to look into it.
If you don't think that could have spread further or continued to impact Zaide adversely with it being ignored I don't know what to tell you other than you're wrong.
Unfortunately, this is the world we live in now. Criticizing the execution is fair. Ignoring wouldn't have been the right move.
WSB throws stuff like this at the wall all the time and nothing comes of it. I know it would've blown over because time and time again it's blown over, even when it was mentioned on the hallowed halls of Scoop. This was a nothing burger that Marquette turned into a s**t sandwich.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2025, 12:38:28 PMOh, well I totally agree it's trivial and unimportant!
Well, Zaide leaving is the important part. But even if he needed to go, the question of how/why now is interesting.
So it's neither trivial nor unimportant. We've amassed 20+ pages on this issue alone and the same people vehemently defending the program's supposedly competent PR team are the ones saying "who cares" and it will blow over in 24 hours, etc.
Cannot wait for a lawsuit that allows Zaide to play for someone still this season. #PortalIsNotClosed
Quote from: Markusquette on December 29, 2025, 12:42:55 PMSo it's neither trivial nor unimportant. We've amassed 20+ pages on this issue alone and the same people vehemently defending the program's supposedly competent PR team are the ones saying "who cares" and it will blow over in 24 hours, etc.
Hah, pages on scoop aren't an indication of importance. We have about 500 pages on a post someone would have preferred to delete (NM).
Frankly, most things discussed here are unimportant, but it's good for business :)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2025, 12:46:56 PMHah, pages on scoop aren't an indication of importance. We have about 500 pages on a post someone would have preferred to delete (NM).
Frankly, most things discussed here are unimportant, but it's good for business :)
Well of course, but we're a very small community and relatively speaking it's important. The fact is that a player is gone from the program, possibly dismissed for "the" altercation and it's sadly the most interesting thing to happen this season other than being a terrible team. Opens the door for a possible transfer at the very least. Far from trivial in terms of MUBB chatter.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 29, 2025, 12:43:09 PMCannot wait for a lawsuit that allows Zaide to play for someone still this season. #PortalIsNotClosed
I would expect the lawsuit to demand his NIL $ for Jan-Mar. But all sorts of crazy in the world.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 11:52:05 AMNeither question would be/will be asked that way.
There obviously is no way to know what question would have been asked had Marquette not responded to the twit at all. But I'd be curious to hear your prediction of what question(s) Ben will ask tomorrow regarding the Lowery situation.
More dramatics on the current season drama.
We already struck "V" from RGV. Now maybe we also strike the "R".
Quote from: MU82 on December 29, 2025, 01:14:59 PMThere obviously is no way to know what question would have been asked had Marquette not responded to the twit at all. But I'd be curious to hear your prediction of what question(s) Ben will ask tomorrow regarding the Lowery situation.
I'd guess something like "Can you discuss the reasons for Zaide's departure and reports that there may have been an altercation etween him and a member of the coaching staff?"
I don't think Ben is going to go Perry Mason on Shaka because of a tweet.
"Isn't it true, Mr. Smart, that there was a fight between Mr. Lowery and a member of your entourage? Why, if it did not occur, did an official Marquette basketball social media account make reference to an 'altercation'?"
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 01:21:56 PMI'd guess something like "Can you discuss the reasons for Zaide's departure and reports that there may have been an altercation etween him and a member of the coaching staff?"
I don't think Ben is going to go Perry Mason on Shaka because of a tweet.
"Isn't it true, Mr. Smart, that there was a fight between Mr. Lowery and a member of your entourage? Why, if it did not occur, did an official Marquette basketball social media account make reference to an 'altercation'?"
Agree on all of the above.
I actually might be looking forward to the postgame presser more than I am to watching the game. That, in itself, is another thing that sucks about this season!
Shaka did say he wasn't leaving, so maybe he wasn't lying if he was dismissed instead ;)
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 12:40:47 PMWSB throws stuff like this at the wall all the time and nothing comes of it. I know it would've blown over because time and time again it's blown over, even when it was mentioned on the hallowed halls of Scoop. This was a nothing burger that Marquette turned into a s**t sandwich.
It's a nothingburger that will continue to be a nothingburger.
National media were all over stories of Todd Golden sending dick pics and stalking Florida University students. That lasted like 3 days, Florida said there's nothing to see here, and Todd Golden coached a team to a national title a couple of months later.
Auburn had to divert their flight because of a fist fight between players mid air. The story was talked about on one episode of everyone's podcast and then nobody cared.
But I'm sure Marquette's response on Twitter to "an altercation" is going to...keep some Big East Twitter account engaged for all of like 12 more hours? THE HORROR!
People are so dramatic. Sports stories move fast. This one isn't even a blip on the radar.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 29, 2025, 12:43:09 PMCannot wait for a lawsuit that allows Zaide to play for someone still this season. #PortalIsNotClosed
Oh no. Not an athlete being ruled eligible that wouldn't have in the past! The NCAA would never!
Shaka should have sent Zaide and Cody to "time out" so they could work out their differences and foster their relationship.
But I forgot, Shaka doesn't use time-outs.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 29, 2025, 02:05:46 PMShaka should have sent Zaide and Cody to "time out" so they could work out their differences and foster their relationship.
But I forgot, Shaka doesn't use time-outs.
;D ;D
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 01:36:35 PMIt's a nothingburger that will continue to be a nothingburger.
National media were all over stories of Todd Golden sending dick pics and stalking Florida University students. That lasted like 3 days, Florida said there's nothing to see here, and Todd Golden coached a team to a national title a couple of months later.
Auburn had to divert their flight because of a fist fight between players mid air. The story was talked about on one episode of everyone's podcast and then nobody cared.
But I'm sure Marquette's response on Twitter to "an altercation" is going to...keep some Big East Twitter account engaged for all of like 12 more hours? THE HORROR!
People are so dramatic. Sports stories move fast. This one isn't even a blip on the radar.
I think this is probably true, but MU and Shaka have positioned themselves as a very unique (and failing) brand and model of program development. They are in the news all the time because of it. So, this has the potential to be talked about a bit more and harm Shaka and MU more than a random guy leaving a random team mid year.
And, is WSB no longer a troll, seems to have hit on something rather specific here. Perhaps he knows more than meets the eye...sort of like the Transformers.
Pretty disappointed in Shaka, MU, and Zaide, but I give Zaide more leeway and grace than the other two. I liked Zaide, being an athlete is tough, losing is tough, not playing is tough. He gave his all for 2+ years. I fear this is the first domino...as it were.
Why fear? The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal.
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped. Etc.
Why the fear? This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for. A player perceived as underperforming to leave. Why fear more leaving? It is what the cognoscenti want. They should be euphoric.
I see a lot of people are hot and bothered today.
Personally I am going to wait for a "smoke and mirrors" tweet from the Marquette Mom's account before I jump out my window.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 29, 2025, 03:05:24 PMI see a lot of people are hot and bothered today.
Personally I am going to wait for a "smoke and mirrors" tweet from the Marquette Mom's account before I jump out my window.
Jabs and haymakers.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 03:02:35 PMWhy fear? The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal.
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped. Etc.
Why the fear? This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for. A player perceived as underperforming to leave. Why fear more leaving? It is what the cognoscenti want. They should be euphoric.
I'm not sad. Zaide was overrated by many here on the basis of his Ryan Amoroso moment during a game in which MU was getting crushed by a mediocre team.
That one game accounted for almost 20% of his scoring output last year. Take away that game, and you've got a guy who averaged 4.2 ppg last year while shooting 42% from the floor and 31% from three. Meh. Hardly the kind of output that's hard to replace.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 29, 2025, 12:15:20 PMWhy wouldn't Ben ask about physical altercation rumors if MU never tweeted?
Because it came from a troll/twitter egg account...
MU account acknowledging it gives credence to the low level rumor.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 03:02:35 PMWhy fear? The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal.
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped. Etc.
Why the fear? This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for. A player perceived as underperforming to leave. Why fear more leaving? It is what the cognoscenti want. They should be euphoric.
Who is disappointed with Zaide leaving? It was very clear he was gone when he didn't travel to Nebraska. The dialogue is centered around the non-sense following the announcement.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 03:55:34 PMWho is disappointed with Zaide leaving? It was very clear he was gone when he didn't travel to Nebraska. The dialogue is centered around the non-sense following the announcement.
I agree this would not be a big deal, if MU was 8-5, not 5-8 with 4 20+ point losses. Players move on and leave programs all the time. The state of the program leads to all sorts of questions being asked, and some/most are not worth the energy. I am as guilty as anyone, as I have convinced myself that there is some big unknown off the court issue. >:(
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 03:02:35 PMWhy fear? The zeitgeist on this board is that multiple players need to depart so that Shaka can hit the portal.
To review...
Zaide was starting.
Zaide had a game where he missed several bunnies and it affected his defensive effort.
Shaka said that he and Zaide had a heart to heart about it.
AS replaced Zaide in the starting line up.
Zaide's minutes dropped. Etc.
Why the fear? This exactly what scoop was ostensibly looking for. A player perceived as underperforming to leave. Why fear more leaving? It is what the cognoscenti want. They should be euphoric.
Mountain out of a mole hill.
This will have little to no effect on the team - this year or next. A senior class with Zaide, Tre, and Sean does not move the needle. This program will go as far as the freshmen classes (this year and next) plus portal players (if we don't go after a big or two this year we are lost and none of this will matter anyway) will take us.
Right now, I think next year will be the one to rebuild the program. Many of us thought this year's team could hold down the fort, but it didn't happen. Just makes the hill a bit higher next year.
I agree this is likely a mountain out of a mole hill. Best of luck, ZL.
A mediocre player leaving a horsesh!t college basketball team is barely news (except to those invested in the program, such as Scoopers).
As soon as "altercation" between a player and a coach became a possible thing, it became actual news ... but really only if it turns out to have been a physical altercation.
Will we ever find out what really happened? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a player or two will write a letter about it.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 01:36:35 PMNational media were all over stories of Todd Golden sending dick pics and stalking Florida University students. That lasted like 3 days, Florida said there's nothing to see here, and Todd Golden coached a team to a national title a couple of months later.
Auburn had to divert their flight because of a fist fight between players mid air. The story was talked about on one episode of everyone's podcast and then nobody cared.
What silly false equivalencies. Yeah, when Florida & Auburn barnstormed to 1-seeds, the Final Four, and in Florida's case a national title, people forget about the scandals.
This isn't the biggest of deals, but it's another in a long line of regular rakes Marquette is stepping on and I'm pretty sure we aren't going to have a Final Four to help us forget administration's stupidity.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 06:30:04 PMWhat silly false equivalencies. Yeah, when Florida & Auburn barnstormed to 1-seeds, the Final Four, and in Florida's case a national title, people forget about the scandals.
This isn't the biggest of deals, but it's another in a long line of regular rakes Marquette is stepping on and I'm pretty sure we aren't going to have a Final Four to help us forget administration's stupidity.
You do realize those things both happened in November of 2024, right? Nobody cared about it by December of 2024. It certainly did not take until April of 2025 to forget about those scandals, which were WAY worse scandals than a freaking Tweet for God's sake. To term this a "scandal" is hilarious.
Marquette twitter posts average around 15-20k per post.
The Altercation post is settling just below 600,000 views.
Another social media win for the home team!
Now that we have an opening are there any NBA players we can bring on board?
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 06:45:16 PMMarquette twitter posts average around 15-20k per post.
The Altercation post is settling just below 600,000 views.
Another social media win for the home team!
You keep acting like this has some negative impact on the program when in reality no one gives a rats ass what the twitter account says. Just cause it got shared by a few sports anyalists and a bunch of ppl scrolled past it without a thought generating views for it doesn't mean anyone cares. Completely zero stakes situation. Laughable
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 29, 2025, 07:04:14 PMNow that we have an opening are there any NBA players we can bring on board?
I heard Giannis was involved in an altercation...
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 06:44:23 PMYou do realize those things both happened in November of 2024, right? Nobody cared about it by December of 2024. It certainly did not take until April of 2025 to forget about those scandals, which were WAY worse scandals than a freaking Tweet for God's sake. To term this a "scandal" is hilarious.
I didn't call it a scandal. I also didn't make stupid false equivalencies.
Auburn was forgotten because they beat Houston the next day. Florida was a talking point for 4 months. But again, really, really ludicrous comparisons.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 29, 2025, 07:16:02 PMYou keep acting like this has some negative impact on the program when in reality no one gives a rats ass what the twitter account says. Just cause it got shared by a few sports anyalists and a bunch of ppl scrolled past it without a thought generating views for it doesn't mean anyone cares. Completely zero stakes situation. Laughable
It absolutely has a negative impact on the program in the same way a big win has a positive impact on the program. People remember talented teams and dumpster fires. This situation is the current floor for our programs pathetic state now.
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 07:56:49 PMIt absolutely has a negative impact on the program in the same way a big win has a positive impact on the program. People remember talented teams and dumpster fires. This situation is the current floor for our programs pathetic state now.
In the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.
A big win gets Marquette on Sportscenter and ESPN socials, on the front of the Journal Sentinel sports page and website, and talked about by prominent names in college basketball like Goodman, Parrish, Katz, Bilas and Rothstein.
This Tweet did exactly none of those things.
It's not close to the same thing.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 08:07:06 PMIn the words of John McEnroe, you cannot be serious.
A big win gets Marquette on Sportscenter and ESPN socials, on the front of the Journal Sentinel sports page and website, and talked about by prominent names in college basketball like Goodman, Parrish, Katz, Bilas and Rothstein.
This Tweet did exactly none of those things.
It's not close to the same thing.
This is 2025. Different no one is watching sports center. Socials are the preeminent news source.
This is also the biggest spotlight the team experienced so far this season. Smh
Quote from: panda on December 29, 2025, 08:24:45 PMThis is 2025. Different no one is watching sports center. Socials are the preeminent news source.
This is also the biggest spotlight the team experienced so far this season. Smh
Sportscenter's X account has 41.5 million followers. The main ESPN account has 56.3 million.
And you're here acting like 600K views on a MU tweet is massive and the same thing.
OK.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 08:37:47 PMSportscenter's X account has 41.5 million followers. The main ESPN account has 56.3 million.
And you're here acting like 600K views on a MU tweet is massive and the same thing.
OK.
Quick check over at the sport center account and they average around 150-200k views/tweet. So yes 600k is a lot
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 08:37:47 PMSportscenter's X account has 41.5 million followers. The main ESPN account has 56.3 million.
And you're here acting like 600K views on a MU tweet is massive and the same thing.
OK.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 07:20:46 PMI didn't call it a scandal. I also didn't make stupid false equivalencies.
Auburn was forgotten because they beat Houston the next day. Florida was a talking point for 4 months. But again, really, really ludicrous comparisons.
Agreed. It's a ludicrous comparison because MU's Tweet is as nothingburger as nothingburgers come, yet you and a number of others are acting like this is some meaningful problem for the program. It's hysterical how offended you get over every little thing.
Absolutely nobody was talking about Todd Golden's dick pics and stalking four months after it happened. Heck, not even four days after it happened. The only time it popped up after November was when Florida's formal investigation was completed and concluded he didn't do anything against his contract or Florida's code in January. Nobody cared beyond one podcast cycle.
I don't think this is some major blow to the program. However, I do think it's another example the AD leadership may not be very good.
Sorry if this has been said somewhere else, but here's my view of the edited Tweet by MU Basketball.
As has clearly been discussed, usage of "the" altercation implies that indeed there was an altercation. If we are going to speculate as to how the original/troll Tweet was inaccurate as to details of "the" altercation, we might as well consider the possibilities. Maybe it was inaccurate as to the parties involved. Zaide vs Shaka? Zaide vs Caedin? Zaide vs some combination of Shaka, Caedin, and Cody? Zaide, Sam Hauser, and Ben Steele vs Shaka, Joey Hauser and Markus Howard? 😩
In the end, who really gives a crap besides a few over-obsessed scoopers about Zaide leaving/kicked off or how it was handled by Marquette? Move along to bitching about RGV....
Quote from: Dish on December 29, 2025, 12:12:39 PMSince the original tweet came from White Sox Bill, aren't we not allowed to get excited about all this?
For what it's worth, he changed his name to Mike Davenport to make the tweet then went back to Whitesoxbill once people bit on it.
See the username in the link below:
https://x.com/mikedavenport24/status/2005387293746754005?s=10
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 29, 2025, 11:20:15 PMIn the end, who really gives a crap besides a few over-obsessed scoopers about Zaide leaving/kicked off or how it was handled by Marquette? Move along to bitching about RGV....
I'd guess the majority of Marquette fans don't even know Zaide is leaving yet much less any of the Twitter stuff.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 30, 2025, 08:12:24 AMI'd guess the majority of Marquette fans don't even know Zaide is leaving yet much less any of the Twitter stuff.
Yup!
Quote from: Johnny B on December 29, 2025, 07:16:02 PMYou keep acting like this has some negative impact on the program when in reality no one gives a rats ass what the twitter account says. Just cause it got shared by a few sports anyalists and a bunch of ppl scrolled past it without a thought generating views for it doesn't mean anyone cares. Completely zero stakes situation. Laughable
Exactly. Recuit visiting today, Business as usual. except for drama queens in the fanbase.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 30, 2025, 08:12:24 AMI'd guess the majority of Marquette fans don't even know Zaide is leaving yet much less any of the Twitter stuff.
Or I'd guess that a bunch of people saw something in passing on Twitter or Instagram about an altercation and now think Zaide was kicked off the team for fighting.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 30, 2025, 08:12:24 AMI'd guess the majority of Marquette fans don't even know Zaide is leaving yet much less any of the Twitter stuff.
Yeah most of the fans probably checked out from this crap show weeks ago
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 30, 2025, 08:12:24 AMI'd guess the majority of Marquette fans don't even know Zaide is leaving yet much less any of the Twitter stuff.
Not sure about that. The article on the social media gaffe from Anonymous Eagle is their most viewed article since Megan Duffy left for Va Tech. Seems like Marquette fans beyond the Scoop/Twitter spheres are paying attention.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 30, 2025, 10:26:12 AMNot sure about that. The article on the social media gaffe from Anonymous Eagle is their most viewed article since Megan Duffy left for Va Tech. Seems like Marquette fans beyond the Scoop/Twitter spheres are paying attention.
I'm also guessing that most Marquette fans don't even know what Anonymous Eagle is.
Three of my MU buddies and I have a text chain going during almost every game. They are Marquette hoops fans with above-average interest in the team - for example, they traveled tp the 2024 NCAAT games in Indy, they have met me for road games in Cinci and DC, etc. - but they aren't fanatical enough to spend time with lunatics like us on sites like this.
I get most of my Marquette news from Scoop, and my friends get most of their Marquette news from me (after I've read it on Scoop and relay it to them).
Hours after Lowery being gone was announced, they hadn't heard about it until I told them. Same with my son, who also is a big MU hoops fan but not a Scoopy lunatic like us here.
And I highly doubt any of them, even now, has any idea whether MU handled its tweets and press releases well, poorly or otherwise. Nor would they care.
It seems Marquette's PR people could have handled the situation better. But I think some folks are seriously overestimating how much the vast majority of MU fans care about such minutiae ... or even know about it.
You guys are acting like Michael Scott in the watermark episode making a bigger deal out of it than it really is.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 30, 2025, 10:40:50 AMI'm also guessing that most Marquette fans don't even know what Anonymous Eagle is.
6,000 plus page views as of yesterday afternoon would indicate plenty of them do.
Still waiting for Norlander and Parrish's emergency podcast on this travesty. They should be fired for waiting this long.
I'm going to go ahead and guess that the vast majority of sports podcasts that cover college basketball, the vast majority of college basketball game broadcasts, halftime shows, pregame shows, etc. etc. etc., essentially anywhere that anyone would hear college basketball news, will not even mention Zaide Lowery leaving Marquette's program at all, let alone Marquette basketball Tweeting about a potential altercation. And the VERY few that do mention either of those things, I would bet they will not do it on more than one episode/game, etc.
I can't believe people are this worked up about a nearly completely meaningless Tweet.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2025, 11:33:22 AMI can't believe people are this worked up about a nearly completely meaningless Tweet.
You don't have to be worked up about it. It is just emblematic of the incompetence running deep.
Another blemish on the most pathetic season in decades
Quote from: jfp61 on December 30, 2025, 11:35:22 AMYou don't have to be worked up about it. It is just emblematic of the incompetence running deep.
And yet people think TJ Otzelberger would come running if we give him a ring.
The only incompetence that matters is the roster that was put together this year. Hot dogs at a scrimmage, Tweets, lack of free autographs, all the other trivial stuff that people love to cry about are completely meaningless.
Ticket price increases are meaningful, but that's the reality of college athletics and nowhere near unique to Marquette University, so not sure that that's "incompetence running deep."
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 30, 2025, 11:25:35 AM6,000 plus page views as of yesterday afternoon would indicate plenty of them do.
So I am right in assuming the majority of Marquette fans don't know what Anonymous Eagle is.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2025, 11:33:22 AMStill waiting for Norlander and Parrish's emergency podcast on this travesty. They should be fired for waiting this long.
I'm going to go ahead and guess that the vast majority of sports podcasts that cover college basketball, the vast majority of college basketball game broadcasts, halftime shows, pregame shows, etc. etc. etc., essentially anywhere that anyone would hear college basketball news, will not even mention Zaide Lowery leaving Marquette's program at all, let alone Marquette basketball Tweeting about a potential altercation. And the VERY few that do mention either of those things, I would bet they will not do it on more than one episode/game, etc.
I can't believe people are this worked up about a nearly completely meaningless Tweet.
I'm not worked up about it, but consider it dumb & dangerous, as well as stupid and insane.
That said, I have some friends who are somewhat-fans.. they'll check out the team when convenient. Last night, I get a text from a buddy with a link to some of the X tweets in a friend-group text.. the guy thought it was all real, and was a bit irked by it.
Amazing how gullible people are. Scary. I will say though, the "CTC" tweet breaking the news of his "BIL"'s employment was awesome.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2025, 11:45:40 AMAnd yet people think TJ Otzelberger would come running if we give him a ring.
The only incompetence that matters is the roster that was put together this year. Hot dogs at a scrimmage, Tweets, lack of free autographs, all the other trivial stuff that people love to cry about are completely meaningless.
Ticket price increases are meaningful, but that's the reality of college athletics and nowhere near unique to Marquette University, so not sure that that's "incompetence running deep."
No one thinks TJ would come. Cyclones have real money. The best hire for a marquette will always be a mid major coach on the rise. Need someone with hunger.
The staff is currently too bloated, too many guys that don't do anything/ have stopped telling shaka no. The roster is broken and has maybe 2 players that should be on it.
Having staff the replys to tweets from whitesoxbill's burner is not stable and competent behavior.
The increase in ticket prices are a direct result of bloated spending in other avenues.
I get that Broeker decieded he had to increase prices, but their talent evaluation in all aspects is clearly questionable at best. Well adjusted companies increase prices when they have something new and improved to offer, not significantly worse.
All of this just shows... that we lack some competence.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 30, 2025, 11:33:22 AMStill waiting for Norlander and Parrish's emergency podcast on this travesty. They should be fired for waiting this long.
I'm going to go ahead and guess that the vast majority of sports podcasts that cover college basketball, the vast majority of college basketball game broadcasts, halftime shows, pregame shows, etc. etc. etc., essentially anywhere that anyone would hear college basketball news, will not even mention Zaide Lowery leaving Marquette's program at all, let alone Marquette basketball Tweeting about a potential altercation. And the VERY few that do mention either of those things, I would bet they will not do it on more than one episode/game, etc.
I can't believe people are this worked up about a nearly completely meaningless Tweet.
I think it has more to do with relevancy than anything. Nobody will talk about it because no one cares about MU basketball right now, same way an identical event could happen at DePaul and we'd never hear of it. But if it had happened somewhere like Purdue instead, then yes the media heads would be discussing it, because the stakes are higher and so is the interest from a national audience.
I agree the Zaide situation is trivial in the overall CBB picture and not worth the public attention. But context matters. The reason they're not talking about the departure/altercation isn't because an event like that is insignificant on its own, it's because Marquette basketball is currently insignificant.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 30, 2025, 12:44:48 PMNo one thinks TJ would come. Cyclones have real money.
Do they, though?
https://iowastatedaily.com/319285/sports/iowa-state-ceases-hilton-coliseum-renovations-after-facing-a-147-million-deficit/
Iowa State University's athletic department has halted the renovation of the Hilton Coliseum and the construction of a new wrestling facility, implementing budget cuts in response to a projected $147 million budget deficit through 2031.
"These are challenging times, but the university remains confident and optimistic that through a coordinated effort, a solution to address the currently projected budget shortfall will be implemented and Cyclones Athletics will continue to thrive," Iowa State University said in a statement to the Daily.
The presented $147 million deficit stemmed from the Big 12's realignment of 10 to 16 teams, the House v. NCAA settlement over revenue sharing with student-athletes and the College Football Playoff revenue distribution model.
The budget deficit stemming from different sources in the landscape of college athletics has created a projected $24 million shortfall for the fiscal year 2026.https://www.thegazette.com/article/hawkeye-athletics-sets-another-revenue-record-while-isu-uni-struggle/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOBPV1jbGNrA4E8OmV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHoQNrS14Ei1ayAbH0cV-vfN75vpuG-l5cXNQs4NoBlNYOGJMtnd4sS8XKOlK_aem_rBERzs6oatOyrdWGpJpvyQ
Iowa State Athletics similarly reported a $2.8 million revenue drop from 2024's $116.9 million to $114.1 million in 2025 — which was $133,174 below expectations for the year.
Over the summer, in looking ahead to the current 2026 budget year, Iowa State flagged "transformational changes in college athletics that will result in $30 million in recurring annual financial repercussions to the athletics department beginning this year."
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 30, 2025, 12:52:54 PMI think it has more to do with relevancy than anything. Nobody will talk about it because no one cares about MU basketball right now, same way an identical event could happen at DePaul and we'd never hear of it. But if it had happened somewhere like Purdue instead, then yes the media heads would be discussing it, because the stakes are higher and so is the interest from a national audience.
I agree the Zaide situation is trivial in the overall CBB picture and not worth the public attention. But context matters. The reason they're not talking about the departure/altercation isn't because an event like that is insignificant on its own, it's because Marquette basketball is currently insignificant.
Nah. A player getting kicked out of a P5 school for physically fighting a coach is going to make the news, regardless of the team's current record.
The reason it's not making the news is because it almost certainly didn't happen.
I suspect Goodman, Norlander, Katz, Parrish, etc., likely all saw the tweet (and likely follow MU basketball). And they likely did the responsible thing by checking into it, finding out what happened and moved along.
And they moved along because they aren't in the business of hyperventilating over poorly worded tweets (unlike certain Marquette basketball blog writers).
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 01:13:53 PMNah. A player getting kicked out of a P5 school for physically fighting a coach is going to make the news, regardless of the team's current record.
The reason it's not making the news is because it almost certainly didn't happen.
I suspect Goodman, Norlander, Katz, Parrish, etc., likely all saw the tweet (and likely follow MU basketball). And they likely did the responsible thing by checking into it, finding out what happened and moved along.
And they moved along because they aren't in the business of hyperventilating over poorly worded tweets (unlike certain Marquette basketball blog writers).
So they all did their due diligence but the official Marquette account decided a burner account deserved a response ??
Quote from: panda on December 30, 2025, 01:15:10 PMSo they all did their due diligence but the official Marquette account decided a burner account deserved a response ??
Read it. Learn it. Live it.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 01:16:31 PMRead it. Learn it. Live it.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
My point from the beginning is Marquette acted foolishly responding to a burner account.
Which you clearly agree with.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 01:13:53 PMNah. A player getting kicked out of a P5 school for physically fighting a coach is going to make the news, regardless of the team's current record.
The reason it's not making the news is because it almost certainly didn't happen.
I suspect Goodman, Norlander, Katz, Parrish, etc., likely all saw the tweet (and likely follow MU basketball). And they likely did the responsible thing by checking into it, finding out what happened and moved along.
And they moved along because they aren't in the business of hyperventilating over poorly worded tweets (unlike certain Marquette basketball blog writers).
I agree with this too. To be clear, I'm not convinced a physical altercation transpired either. Perhaps I could've been more specific, but my previous post was written in relation to players departing due to a conflict with the coach/program in general, not something as far or egregious as a physical fight.
If people are up in arms because they think the media should talk about a fight that never happened, then yeah that's silly.
If folks are still upset about the tweet situation, it's a reflection of underlying loathing for the coaching staff and MU admin.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 30, 2025, 12:53:35 PMDo they, though?
https://iowastatedaily.com/319285/sports/iowa-state-ceases-hilton-coliseum-renovations-after-facing-a-147-million-deficit/
Iowa State University's athletic department has halted the renovation of the Hilton Coliseum and the construction of a new wrestling facility, implementing budget cuts in response to a projected $147 million budget deficit through 2031.
"These are challenging times, but the university remains confident and optimistic that through a coordinated effort, a solution to address the currently projected budget shortfall will be implemented and Cyclones Athletics will continue to thrive," Iowa State University said in a statement to the Daily.
The presented $147 million deficit stemmed from the Big 12's realignment of 10 to 16 teams, the House v. NCAA settlement over revenue sharing with student-athletes and the College Football Playoff revenue distribution model.
The budget deficit stemming from different sources in the landscape of college athletics has created a projected $24 million shortfall for the fiscal year 2026.
https://www.thegazette.com/article/hawkeye-athletics-sets-another-revenue-record-while-isu-uni-struggle/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOBPV1jbGNrA4E8OmV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHoQNrS14Ei1ayAbH0cV-vfN75vpuG-l5cXNQs4NoBlNYOGJMtnd4sS8XKOlK_aem_rBERzs6oatOyrdWGpJpvyQ
Iowa State Athletics similarly reported a $2.8 million revenue drop from 2024's $116.9 million to $114.1 million in 2025 — which was $133,174 below expectations for the year.
Over the summer, in looking ahead to the current 2026 budget year, Iowa State flagged "transformational changes in college athletics that will result in $30 million in recurring annual financial repercussions to the athletics department beginning this year."
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 30, 2025, 12:53:35 PMDo they, though?
https://iowastatedaily.com/319285/sports/iowa-state-ceases-hilton-coliseum-renovations-after-facing-a-147-million-deficit/
Iowa State University's athletic department has halted the renovation of the Hilton Coliseum and the construction of a new wrestling facility, implementing budget cuts in response to a projected $147 million budget deficit through 2031.
"These are challenging times, but the university remains confident and optimistic that through a coordinated effort, a solution to address the currently projected budget shortfall will be implemented and Cyclones Athletics will continue to thrive," Iowa State University said in a statement to the Daily.
The presented $147 million deficit stemmed from the Big 12's realignment of 10 to 16 teams, the House v. NCAA settlement over revenue sharing with student-athletes and the College Football Playoff revenue distribution model.
The budget deficit stemming from different sources in the landscape of college athletics has created a projected $24 million shortfall for the fiscal year 2026.
https://www.thegazette.com/article/hawkeye-athletics-sets-another-revenue-record-while-isu-uni-struggle/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOBPV1jbGNrA4E8OmV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHoQNrS14Ei1ayAbH0cV-vfN75vpuG-l5cXNQs4NoBlNYOGJMtnd4sS8XKOlK_aem_rBERzs6oatOyrdWGpJpvyQ
Iowa State Athletics similarly reported a $2.8 million revenue drop from 2024's $116.9 million to $114.1 million in 2025 — which was $133,174 below expectations for the year.
Over the summer, in looking ahead to the current 2026 budget year, Iowa State flagged "transformational changes in college athletics that will result in $30 million in recurring annual financial repercussions to the athletics department beginning this year."
Ok. Get out the checkbook for TJO.He will come running.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 30, 2025, 12:44:48 PMNo one thinks TJ would come.
No one? I mean, Hards literally said this:
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 26, 2025, 10:47:42 AMI see you're picking up what I'm putting down.
And JTJ3 responded:
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 26, 2025, 11:23:52 AMI'm not that confident, but he would definitely pick up our call. I have no doubts about that.
And several Scoopers have mentioned TJO as a possibility in other threads the last month or two.
Quote from: MU82 on December 30, 2025, 03:02:46 PMNo one? I mean, Hards literally said this:
And JTJ3 responded:
And several Scoopers have mentioned TJO as a possibility in other threads the last month or two.
If you want a reliable answer, everyone on Scoop knows that the best way to read a coach's mind is to decipher the cryptic coachspeak said in postgame pressers.
I just hope they have a prepared statement for this question. 1-2 sentences, simple and put it to bed. No need for another unprepared condescending quote from Shaka.
Quote from: MU82 on December 30, 2025, 11:02:15 AMThree of my MU buddies and I have a text chain going during almost every game. They are Marquette hoops fans with above-average interest in the team - for example, they traveled tp the 2024 NCAAT games in Indy, they have met me for road games in Cinci and DC, etc. - but they aren't fanatical enough to spend time with lunatics like us on sites like this.
I get most of my Marquette news from Scoop, and my friends get most of their Marquette news from me (after I've read it on Scoop and relay it to them).
Hours after Lowery being gone was announced, they hadn't heard about it until I told them. Same with my son, who also is a big MU hoops fan but not a Scoopy lunatic like us here.
And I highly doubt any of them, even now, has any idea whether MU handled its tweets and press releases well, poorly or otherwise. Nor would they care.
It seems Marquette's PR people could have handled the situation better. But I think some folks are seriously overestimating how much the vast majority of MU fans care about such minutiae ... or even know about it.
I don't disagree, 82...especially when the team is this bad it's entirely off their radar. Other than the taunts of '96-76' or '4of5' I receive from a certain idiot in my world, the Zaide situation is a zippo.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 30, 2025, 11:35:22 AMYou don't have to be worked up about it. It is just emblematic of the incompetence running deep.
It's not. At all.
Linking a poorly worded tweet to bad recruiting/roster decisions is a stretch that would make Simone Biles proud.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 30, 2025, 06:01:22 PMIt's not. At all.
Linking a poorly worded tweet to bad recruiting/roster decisions is a stretch that would make Simone Biles proud.
Hense the word "emblematic", not "demonstrative".
20 page hits?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 30, 2025, 10:26:12 AMNot sure about that. The article on the social media gaffe from Anonymous Eagle is their most viewed article since Megan Duffy left for Va Tech. Seems like Marquette fans beyond the Scoop/Twitter spheres are paying attention.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 30, 2025, 12:44:48 PMNo one thinks TJ would come. Cyclones have real money. The best hire for a marquette will always be a mid major coach on the rise. Need someone with hunger.
The staff is currently too bloated, too many guys that don't do anything/ have stopped telling shaka no. The roster is broken and has maybe 2 players that should be on it.
Having staff the replys to tweets from whitesoxbill's burner is not stable and competent behavior.
The increase in ticket prices are a direct result of bloated spending in other avenues.
I get that Broeker decieded he had to increase prices, but their talent evaluation in all aspects is clearly questionable at best. Well adjusted companies increase prices when they have something new and improved to offer, not significantly worse.
All of this just shows... that we lack some competence.
Oh there are DEFINITELY posters who will be throwing fits when Otz isn't our coach next year and claim that he wants the Marquette job, Marquette's athletic department is just incompetent and won't take him. I won't pretend to know the financial situation of Iowa State athletics/men's basketball, but if he wants out he'll go to another B12, B1G, or SEC program.
A lot of the rest of this is just nonsense. The staff is like any other high major staff in the country. Tons of people, all reporting to the head coach.
The Tweet is a nothingburger. The ticket price increase has nothing to do with bloated spending elsewhere and everything to do with schools are now paying student athletes. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone's ticket prices in football and basketball are going up. Nothing unique to Marquette whatsoever.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2025, 12:18:49 AMOh there are DEFINITELY posters who will be throwing fits when Otz isn't our coach next year and claim that he wants the Marquette job, Marquette's athletic department is just incompetent and won't take him. I won't pretend to know the financial situation of Iowa State athletics/men's basketball, but if he wants out he'll go to another B12, B1G, or SEC program.
A lot of the rest of this is just nonsense. The staff is like any other high major staff in the country. Tons of people, all reporting to the head coach.
The Tweet is a nothingburger. The ticket price increase has nothing to do with bloated spending elsewhere and everything to do with schools are now paying student athletes. Nothing more, nothing less. Everyone's ticket prices in football and basketball are going up. Nothing unique to Marquette whatsoever.
Who's throwing fits? Jesus Christ you are the most dramatic ass dude on this board. And Elonsmusk is writing his annual "Stan" letter to Derrick Wilson as we speak. Even more dramatic than me. But because you won't ever concede that me and many others have been proven right over and over this season at your expense, this is your current crutch to hold on tightly to: "Otzelberger will NOT be our coach! So HA. Go cry about it!"
There's a wishlist thread here and for shiits and giggles I put Otzelberger in there. Trilly Donovan said he'd be a gettable candidate for Marquette and that "Marquette is an awesome job, top 15-20 IMO". Gonna go ahead and put more credence into what he has to say, thanks. By the way, Iowa State's NIL and rev share IS a problem, as stated by people more knowledgable than us.
I just think it's a loser mentality that too many here have to assume Marquette will simply hire some mid major maybe. Hell, Shaka was a home run hire until he decided to dig his heels in and not get with the times.
This is now a white Sox billiam thread
https://x.com/whitesoxbill/status/2006238184313610308?s=46
Quote from: panda on December 31, 2025, 07:04:30 AMThis is now a white Sox billiam thread
https://x.com/whitesoxbill/status/2006238184313610308?s=46
Live look inside MU PR offices when Wild Bill tweets.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/9/4/1315143879260/Andrew-Card-and-George-Bu-007.jpg?width=465&dpr=2&s=none&crop=none)
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 31, 2025, 07:32:19 AMLive look inside MU PR offices when Wild Bill tweets.
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/9/4/1315143879260/Andrew-Card-and-George-Bu-007.jpg?width=465&dpr=2&s=none&crop=none)
Lol
Idk if WS Bill is " legit " or not, but after the DNP last night and with everything else going on ... I can't see any reason Norman would stay.
Hopefully Sean and Hamilton are right behind him. But, I doubt it
Quote from: onepost on December 31, 2025, 12:55:58 AMWho's throwing fits? Jesus Christ you are the most dramatic ass dude on this board. And Elonsmusk is writing his annual "Stan" letter to Derrick Wilson as we speak. Even more dramatic than me. But because you won't ever concede that me and many others have been proven right over and over this season at your expense, this is your current crutch to hold on tightly to: "Otzelberger will NOT be our coach! So HA. Go cry about it!"
There's a wishlist thread here and for shiits and giggles I put Otzelberger in there. Trilly Donovan said he'd be a gettable candidate for Marquette and that "Marquette is an awesome job, top 15-20 IMO". Gonna go ahead and put more credence into what he has to say, thanks. By the way, Iowa State's NIL and rev share IS a problem, as stated by people more knowledgable than us.
I just think it's a loser mentality that too many here have to assume Marquette will simply hire some mid major maybe. Hell, Shaka was a home run hire until he decided to dig his heels in and not get with the times.
The drama king of scoop calling someone else a "dramatic ass." That's rich. You legitimately have the emotional fortitude of a two year old. And the logic skills as well.
I hope you encounter a tough phase in your life, and all of your "friends" turn their back on you and discredit any good you've done in your time as friends. Or perhaps professionally (though I think it's likely you are a trust fund baby) you have 4 great years, and then less than 2 months into you struggling on the job, you have a manager at work who craps on you throughout the company and doesn't stop until you get fired.
No Marquette fan is happy with this season, but those of us who are Shaka slurpers think he is more than capable of turning things around. We also realize there is nothing he can do during the season to change the roster. And he can't make the layups, or wide open 3 point shots for our players.
Hard as it may be for you to have some perspective and not be a spoiled brat, give it a shot in 2026.
Quote from: onepost on December 31, 2025, 12:55:58 AMWho's throwing fits? Jesus Christ you are the most dramatic ass dude on this board. And Elonsmusk is writing his annual "Stan" letter to Derrick Wilson as we speak. Even more dramatic than me. But because you won't ever concede that me and many others have been proven right over and over this season at your expense, this is your current crutch to hold on tightly to: "Otzelberger will NOT be our coach! So HA. Go cry about it!"
There's a wishlist thread here and for shiits and giggles I put Otzelberger in there. Trilly Donovan said he'd be a gettable candidate for Marquette and that "Marquette is an awesome job, top 15-20 IMO". Gonna go ahead and put more credence into what he has to say, thanks. By the way, Iowa State's NIL and rev share IS a problem, as stated by people more knowledgable than us.
I just think it's a loser mentality that too many here have to assume Marquette will simply hire some mid major maybe. Hell, Shaka was a home run hire until he decided to dig his heels in and not get with the times.
I think my point is proven.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2025, 08:38:53 AMThe drama king of scoop calling someone else a "dramatic ass." That's rich. You legitimately have the emotional fortitude of a two year old. And the logic skills as well.
I hope you encounter a tough phase in your life, and all of your "friends" turn their back on you and discredit any good you've done in your time as friends. Or perhaps professionally (though I think it's likely you are a trust fund baby) you have 4 great years, and then less than 2 months into you struggling on the job, you have a manager at work who craps on you throughout the company and doesn't stop until you get fired.
No Marquette fan is happy with this season, but those of us who are Shaka slurpers think he is more than capable of turning things around. We also realize there is nothing he can do during the season to change the roster. And he can't make the layups, or wide open 3 point shots for our players.
Hard as it may be for you to have some perspective and not be a spoiled brat, give it a shot in 2026.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2025, 08:38:53 AMThe drama king of scoop calling someone else a "dramatic ass." That's rich. You legitimately have the emotional fortitude of a two year old. And the logic skills as well.
I hope you encounter a tough phase in your life, and all of your "friends" turn their back on you and discredit any good you've done in your time as friends. Or perhaps professionally (though I think it's likely you are a trust fund baby) you have 4 great years, and then less than 2 months into you struggling on the job, you have a manager at work who craps on you throughout the company and doesn't stop until you get fired.
No Marquette fan is happy with this season, but those of us who are Shaka slurpers think he is more than capable of turning things around. We also realize there is nothing he can do during the season to change the roster. And he can't make the layups, or wide open 3 point shots for our players.
Hard as it may be for you to have some perspective and not be a spoiled brat, give it a shot in 2026.
Give what a shot?
Unfortunately, there is no way TJO would take the Marquette job if Iowa State remains a top 15 program under his watch. He will be able to hold out for one of the really big jobs like Kentucky, UNC, etc. For an established coach like him, Marquette is a port in a storm if things start to go south fast (like it was for Shaka, or how Sean Miller jumped to Texas) but MU isn't going to steal a good coach from a power conference program.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2025, 09:12:43 AMI think my point is proven.
Just not the one you think, man.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2025, 08:38:53 AMThe drama king of scoop calling someone else a "dramatic ass." That's rich. You legitimately have the emotional fortitude of a two year old. And the logic skills as well.
I hope you encounter a tough phase in your life, and all of your "friends" turn their back on you and discredit any good you've done in your time as friends. Or perhaps professionally (though I think it's likely you are a trust fund baby) you have 4 great years, and then less than 2 months into you struggling on the job, you have a manager at work who craps on you throughout the company and doesn't stop until you get fired.
No Marquette fan is happy with this season, but those of us who are Shaka slurpers think he is more than capable of turning things around. We also realize there is nothing he can do during the season to change the roster. And he can't make the layups, or wide open 3 point shots for our players.
Hard as it may be for you to have some perspective and not be a spoiled brat, give it a shot in 2026.
I think your heart is in the right place and most MU fans are like you with appreciation and faith that Shaka (if he really wants to) can right the ship. BUT, your messaging (like MU ;) ) is lacking. You come off like a$$ who is just trying to push peoples buttons and not simply defending Shaka.
With any major college program there are extreme fans, but I'd encourage you to look and follow other fan boards and see how genuinely reasonable MU fans are compared to other fan bases.
Also, college coaches like Shaka get paid huge sums of money because they run the show, so he is directly responsible for "
can't make the layups, or wide open 3 point shots for our players." Statements like that have merit in the NBA, but hold no water in college hoops.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2025, 08:38:53 AMThe drama king of scoop calling someone else a "dramatic ass." That's rich. You legitimately have the emotional fortitude of a two year old. And the logic skills as well.
I hope you encounter a tough phase in your life, and all of your "friends" turn their back on you and discredit any good you've done in your time as friends. Or perhaps professionally (though I think it's likely you are a trust fund baby) you have 4 great years, and then less than 2 months into you struggling on the job, you have a manager at work who craps on you throughout the company and doesn't stop until you get fired.
Lol. Good grief, calm down. It is
not that serious. This boils down to a really good coach doubling and tripling down on poor roster management over multiple seasons and now we're here. When faced with a similar situation in 2021 he bolted to Marquette rather than change things up at Texas. So it would lend that if told to change things up here, he will bolt again.
I think TJO would crush it at Marquette and it wasn't a definitive "no" from college basketball's main insider. Probably won't happen, but it's a message board so who cares what hypotheticals we throw out there. I'd be good with Mark Byington or Josh Schertz too!
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2025, 08:38:53 AMNo Marquette fan is happy with this season, but those of us who are Shaka slurpers think he is more than capable of turning things around. We also realize there is nothing he can do during the season to change the roster. And he can't make the layups, or wide open 3 point shots for our players.
But he recruits and retains the players who can't make the layups or wide open 3's.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 31, 2025, 09:49:11 AMUnfortunately, there is no way TJO would take the Marquette job if Iowa State remains a top 15 program under his watch. He will be able to hold out for one of the really big jobs like Kentucky, UNC, etc. For an established coach like him, Marquette is a port in a storm if things start to go south fast (like it was for Shaka, or how Sean Miller jumped to Texas) but MU isn't going to steal a good coach from a power conference program.
it sure as hell wont be TJO. He is rocking with Iowa State. We are now a low major and will only attract the type of fly that a low major would attract.
Time to bring Wardle home.
People are way underestimating the coaches who will want this job
Quote from: JTJ3 on January 01, 2026, 11:28:37 AMPeople are way underestimating the coaches who will want this job
Ed Cooley rumored to be interested in the Marquette job per white Sox "wild" bill
Quote from: onepost on December 31, 2025, 04:47:50 PMBut he recruits and retains the players who can't make the layups or wide open 3's.
And continues to play them in mind boggling ways
Quote from: panda on January 01, 2026, 11:29:37 AMEd Cooley rumored to be interested in the Marquette job per white Sox "wild" bill
I couldnt care less what the twitter troll says.
But we'll do way better than Ed Cooley.
Quote from: Jables1604 on January 01, 2026, 11:21:34 AMTime to bring Wardle home.
Thought Reeker was working on that.
Quote from: JTJ3 on January 01, 2026, 11:28:37 AMPeople are way underestimating the coaches who will want this job
As always. You can't fix stupid.
Don't want anyone else to have to wade through this stupid thread if they are looking for Shaka's presser, so here it is.
Only question about Zaide comes at 2:01.
Quote from: barfolomew on January 01, 2026, 12:27:51 PMDon't want anyone else to have to wade through this stupid thread if they are looking for Shaka's presser, so here it is.
Only question about Zaide comes at 2:01.
1000% inaccurate
Quote from: Markusquette on January 01, 2026, 12:35:45 PM1000% inaccurate
He's confirming a fight! Just not with Haynes!
Lol.
Haynes out for 2 games. White Sox Bill is all in on it...
Quote from: Warrior of Law on January 04, 2026, 04:46:28 PMHaynes out for 2 games. White Sox Bill is all in on it...
"He missed the games because of a team matter," Smart said. "He'll be back tomorrow
Quote from: MUbiz on January 04, 2026, 04:53:34 PM"He missed the games because of a team matter," Smart said. "He'll be back tomorrow
He was also asked if his absence was tied to Zaide's transfer.
Anyway, I think rocky was right. White Sox Bill hit too close to home last week. So they responded...which did nothing to tamp down the rumors.
Great job guys.
Quote from: SOSW on January 04, 2026, 05:00:05 PMHe was also asked if his absence was tied to Zaide's transfer.
Anyway, I think rocky was right. White Sox Bill hit too close to home last week. So they responded...which did nothing to tamp down the rumors.
Great job guys.
::)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2026, 05:11:16 PM::)
It must be difficult for you to see how accurate I was. Maybe your "friend" would like a lesson? DM me for my contact info.
I heard some insight on the Haynes matter. Feel free to reach out.
Quote from: SOSW on January 04, 2026, 05:20:41 PMIt must be difficult for you to see how accurate I was. Maybe your "friend" would like a lesson? DM me for my contact info.
I'm good considering it's a complete non-issue.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2026, 05:30:43 PMI'm good considering it's a complete non-issue.
Your "friend's" loss I guess.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 04, 2026, 05:30:43 PMI'm good considering it's a complete non-issue.
(https://miro.medium.com/0*ZjYSm_q36J4KChdn)"Player quits and coach is suspended in a complete non issue"
Quote from: panda on January 04, 2026, 05:57:51 PM(https://miro.medium.com/0*ZjYSm_q36J4KChdn)"Player quits and coach is suspended in a complete non issue"
Coach has been asked about it during multiple press conferences. White Sox Bill posting that he was suspended without pay for two weeks. Will Marquette respond again? If not, and since they responded the first time, does that mean Bill is correct? Hmmmm...
As I said lat week, this was managed awfully.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 05:23:54 PMI heard some insight on the Haynes matter. Feel free to reach out.
Consider this message to be the entire board reaching out, asking you to share whatever insights you might have. Do tell, this time.
Quote from: SOSW on January 04, 2026, 06:01:02 PMCoach has been asked about it during multiple press conferences. White Sox Bill posting that he was suspended without pay for two weeks. Will Marquette respond again? If not, and since they responded the first time, does that mean Bill is correct? Hmmmm...
As I said lat week, this was managed awfully.
At this point I'm expecting Broeker to teeet at WSB, "NOW, you have the facts right."
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 04, 2026, 06:40:46 PMAt this point I'm expecting Broeker to teeet at WSB, "NOW, you have the facts right."
"accurate"
Quote from: mug644 on January 04, 2026, 06:36:35 PMConsider this message to be the entire board reaching out, asking you to share whatever insights you might have. Do tell, this time.
Would rather not share on a public forum. I'll send via DM.
We need two more "altercations" before the portal opens up.....
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 08:12:53 PMWould rather not share on a public forum. I'll send via DM.
Why not share? You're anonymous here. No harm in posting something you know to be true. Allegedly. But in reality you're just trolling.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 04, 2026, 08:23:47 PMWhy not share? You're anonymous here. No harm in posting something you know to be true. Allegedly. But in reality you're just trolling.
Haha classic. Because I don't want to publicly air out what someone is dealing with. Plenty of people have asked and I've been happy to share privately.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 08:27:13 PMHaha classic. Because I don't want to publicly air out what someone is dealing with. Plenty of people have asked and I've been happy to share privately.
Okay. DM me. Thanks.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 08:29:46 PMNah
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Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 08:12:53 PMWould rather not share on a public forum. I'll send via DM.
Id be interested as well if youre in the sharing mood
Quote from: onepost on December 31, 2025, 04:39:41 PMLol. Good grief, calm down. It is not that serious. This boils down to a really good coach doubling and tripling down on poor roster management over multiple seasons and now we're here. When faced with a similar situation in 2021 he bolted to Marquette rather than change things up at Texas. So it would lend that if told to change things up here, he will bolt again.
I think TJO would crush it at Marquette and it wasn't a definitive "no" from college basketball's main insider. Probably won't happen, but it's a message board so who cares what hypotheticals we throw out there. I'd be good with Mark Byington or Josh Schertz too!
There would be a Mutiny on the Bounty and a typhoon in Laramie before it's a Byington Spring.
The actual story is pretty much nothing. In practice, Stevens inadvertantly directed a ball that bounced off Haynes' head. Haynes thought it was intentional and overreacted, yelling and pointing his finger into Stevens' chest.
It wasn't major, but because it involved contact between player & coach, an investigation was done. The investigation confirmed that it wasn't a big deal, minor suspension for Haynes because of the contact.
It wouldn't have been anything if the social media director didn't mistake White Sox Bill for an actual non-troll account. But changing his handle (but not username) was enough to fool the inexperienced social media guy, he did the inaccurate tweet, made it worse by editing it, and Shaka made it worse by repeating inaccurate which convinced people something happened. And something did, but if not for a stupid quote tweet and poor wording, no one would've ever paid this any mind.
Anyone hearing that it was more serious assault, that's bad information and not true. Anyone hearing this had anything to do with Zaide and his departure, that's bad information and untrue. It was just the kind of temper flaring that happens in bad seasons getting blown out of proportion because the social media side mishandled it.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 05:23:54 PMI heard some insight on the Haynes matter. Feel free to reach out.
The hero we don't deserve but desperately need.
You claim you "don't want to share your info on a public forum" but post this.
What would we do without your reciting Discord information?
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 04, 2026, 10:30:40 PMThe actual story is pretty much nothing.
Sounds like a long complicated story to hide the truth. ;D
So let me get this straight... Haynes and Stevens got into it. Completely separately Zaide left the team, with an altercation with Hatt that MU called "inaccurate". Meanwhile Stevens is still starting and Haynes hasn't been seen...for routine reasons.
Y'all can't be this dense right?
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 04, 2026, 10:30:40 PMHaynes thought it was intentional and overreacted, yelling and pointing his finger into Stevens' chest.
It wasn't major, but because it involved contact between player & coach, an investigation was done. The investigation confirmed that it wasn't a big deal, minor suspension for Haynes because of the contact.
So Stevens took offense and reported Haynes to MU HR ;D
Did MU put out a statement that Haynes was going to miss two games or were they just hoping that no one would notice? It seems the only reason it was addressed is because people online picked up on it last game and asked Steele to ask about it. Would be nice to know if an assistant coach is suspended, but maybe that's asking way too much.
Quote from: CountryRoads on January 04, 2026, 11:51:34 PMWould be nice to know if an assistant coach is suspended, but maybe that's asking way too much.
If you ask Brew, MU PR doesn't even understand that kids would want hotdogs at Marquette preseason scrimmages.
He's not that wrong.
My biggest worry for the remainder of the season (other than consistently losing) is what that losing does to the players and coaches within the program. We have already had a departure from a player; and now we have had a coach miss time because frustrations clearly boiled over at a practice.
The worst part of our season hasn't happened yet.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 04, 2026, 10:30:40 PMThe actual story is pretty much nothing. In practice, Stevens inadvertantly directed a ball that bounced off Haynes' head. Haynes thought it was intentional and overreacted, yelling and pointing his finger into Stevens' chest.
It wasn't major, but because it involved contact between player & coach, an investigation was done. The investigation confirmed that it wasn't a big deal, minor suspension for Haynes because of the contact.
It wouldn't have been anything if the social media director didn't mistake White Sox Bill for an actual non-troll account. But changing his handle (but not username) was enough to fool the inexperienced social media guy, he did the inaccurate tweet, made it worse by editing it, and Shaka made it worse by repeating inaccurate which convinced people something happened. And something did, but if not for a stupid quote tweet and poor wording, no one would've ever paid this any mind.
Anyone hearing that it was more serious assault, that's bad information and not true. Anyone hearing this had anything to do with Zaide and his departure, that's bad information and untrue. It was just the kind of temper flaring that happens in bad seasons getting blown out of proportion because the social media side mishandled it.
Hey onepost, is this consistent with what you heard? just a "yes" or "no" will do. Thanks.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 08:27:13 PMHaha classic. Because I don't want to publicly air out what someone is dealing with. Plenty of people have asked and I've been happy to share privately.
Well..what were you so oddly afraid about to post that Haynes had a misunderstanding with a player that resulted in the suspension. From Brew's account, its a pretty minor deal..
Crickets.
Sounds like Haynes should be let go regardless.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 05:23:54 PMI heard some insight on the Haynes matter. Feel free to reach out.
Quote from: mug644 on January 04, 2026, 06:36:35 PMConsider this message to be the entire board reaching out, asking you to share whatever insights you might have. Do tell, this time.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 08:12:53 PMWould rather not share on a public forum. I'll send via DM.
Never got it.
Quote from: onepost on January 04, 2026, 08:27:13 PMHaha classic. Because I don't want to publicly air out what someone is dealing with. Plenty of people have asked and I've been happy to share privately.
Still waiting.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on January 07, 2026, 02:27:35 PMHey onepost, is [brew77's post] consistent with what you heard? just a "yes" or "no" will do. Thanks.
I'm also curious about this.
Quote from: mug644 on January 08, 2026, 07:58:55 AMNever got it.
Still waiting.
I'm also curious about this.
Incredible.
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