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Title: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 24, 2025, 08:59:38 PM
Pick up a few NBA cast aways before the new year and we can still make the Tourney!
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Breaking today...

Former Detroit Pistons second-round pick James Nnaji has enrolled at Baylor and is immediately eligible to play for the Bears' men's basketball team, Jonathan Givony reports -- a significant development and unprecedented path to college basketball.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/baylor-former-nba-draft-pick-james-nnaji/
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 24, 2025, 09:06:27 PM
Every sport will do this.

Football will recruit the practice squads and Canadian League

Baseball will recruit the minor league

Basketball will recruit Europe and the summer leagues
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Jay Bee on December 24, 2025, 09:09:33 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 24, 2025, 09:06:27 PMEvery sport will do this.

Football will recruit the practice squads and Canadian League

Baseball will recruit the minor league

Basketball will recruit Europe and the summer leagues

What will AAPL do?
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 24, 2025, 10:06:48 PM
Thanks.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67371.msg1780071#msg1780071
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 24, 2025, 10:13:53 PM
Who will be the 1st two way contract @NBA player with full @ncaa eligibility left to leave an NBA franchise to enroll in College and play for a significant salary increase and have numerous years to play? Drafted or not. It makes no difference. It's coming. Nnaji was in KAT trade

https://x.com/tomcrean/status/2003933680675492113?s=46
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 25, 2025, 03:30:44 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 24, 2025, 08:59:38 PMPick up a few NBA cast aways before the new year and we can still make the Tourney!
—-
Breaking today...

Former Detroit Pistons second-round pick James Nnaji has enrolled at Baylor and is immediately eligible to play for the Bears' men's basketball team, Jonathan Givony reports -- a significant development and unprecedented path to college basketball.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/baylor-former-nba-draft-pick-james-nnaji/

Thank You. Marquette can definitely use this.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Warrior of Law on December 25, 2025, 07:33:54 AM
In a slightly more realistic scenario, UW pulled the redshirt off a player today. Waiting 4-5 years for a player to be productive isn't going to fly anymore.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: dgies9156 on December 25, 2025, 08:40:12 AM
Win
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 25, 2025, 10:36:59 AM
Been reading that the James Nnaji/Baylor decision is going to totally disrupt the NBA draft in June. And this might only be the beginning.

Now EVERY player can hire an agent, submit for the draft, get drafted (or sign as a free agent), play in the summer league, sign a contract, and if they are unable to make the active 15 man active NBA roster, return to school in the fall and play for their college team (or another team if they went into the portal).

They need to sign up for classes at the beginning of the fall semester to maintain their eligibility as a "student." (Note, I did not say go to class.)

And coming next is when NBA players can return to college.

This will effectively end recruiting blue-chip/five-star players. They will be drafted whenever they show the potential (in the case of a Cooper Flagg, maybe before they finish high school). With that "two-way" eligibility allowed, the NBA can send its drafted prospects back to college (where the college will pay them with NIL money) to get better while maintaining their rights.

Of course, the risk is the NBA team yanking the player mid-season because they need them. Imagine if Cooper Flagg were drafted, sent to Duke, and after 10 or so games, the NBA team had seen enough and "called him up?"  If he then struggled in the association, can they "send him down" in time to play Carolina later in the season?

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It has been argued that Shaka's bigger problem is not in unwillingness to use the portal but his unwillingness to deal with agents. He is losing out on blue-chip recruits because of it.

If the Bucks decide to use MU to season their players (so they are close by for team executives and coaches to watch them in person), Shaka is going to have to deal with agents.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 25, 2025, 10:50:58 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 25, 2025, 10:36:59 AMBeen reading that the James Nnaji/Baylor decision is going to totally disrupt the NBA draft in June. And this might only be the beginning.

Now EVERY player can hire an agent, submit for the draft, get drafted (or sign as a free agent), play in the summer league, sign a contract, and if they are unable to make the active 15 man active NBA roster, return to school in the fall and play for their college team (or another team if they went into the portal).

They need to sign up for classes at the beginning of the fall semester to maintain their eligibility as a "student." (Note, I did not say go to class.)

And coming next is when NBA players can return to college.

This will effectively end recruiting blue-chip/five-star players. They will be drafted whenever they show the potential (in the case of a Cooper Flagg, maybe before they finish high school). With that "two-way" eligibility allowed, the NBA can send its drafted prospects back to college (where the college will pay them with NIL money) to get better while maintaining their rights.

Of course, the risk is the NBA team yanking the player mid-season because they need them. Imagine if Cooper Flagg were drafted, sent to Duke, and after 10 or so games, the NBA team had seen enough and "called him up?"  If he then struggled in the association, can they "send him down" in time to play Carolina later in the season?

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It has been argued that Shaka's bigger problem is not in unwillingness to use the portal but his unwillingness to deal with agents. He is losing out on blue-chip recruits because of it.

If the Bucks decide to use MU to season their players (so they are close by for team executives and coaches to watch them in person), Shaka is going to have to deal with agents.


You've had a way of predicting things like these in the past. I'm buying it.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: JTJ3 on December 25, 2025, 12:03:00 PM
Nnaji is eligible because he never signed an NBA contract.  Yes, he played summer league,  but never was actually signed.  Once you sign an NBA deal, thats apparently when the NCAA is now saying you lose eligibility.  Although Im sure that will change again soon.

Honestly, moving to the hockey model makes some sense now for basketball.  Once you're drafted, you have three years to sign your pro deal, the pro team holds your rights.  But you can go to college to develop for those years so the pro team doesnt have to start the rookie contract until theyre older.  If you dont develop and the pro team doesnt sign a player after the 3 years, theyre then a free agent.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MU82 on December 25, 2025, 12:32:39 PM
Don't worry, NCAA leaders will make things less crazy again soon. If not them, Congress.

Like Gard, they always get it done.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Jockey on December 25, 2025, 12:47:32 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on December 25, 2025, 10:50:58 AMYou've had a way of predicting things like these in the past. I'm buying it.

He's not as crazy as he sounds   ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on December 25, 2025, 02:07:50 PM
Play kids who can shoot threes, free throws and finish at the rim. Kids that can't score should be benched.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: GB Warrior on December 25, 2025, 03:01:35 PM
I think we should recruit kids who can score more than the other team

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Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: dpucane on December 25, 2025, 03:04:35 PM
Can Shaka grow a few of these guys?

https://x.com/ncaabuzzerbters/status/2004278483636432930?s=46 (https://x.com/ncaabuzzerbters/status/2004278483636432930?s=46)
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: dpucane on December 25, 2025, 03:10:59 PM
I'm extremely out on Shaka but if he drinks Underwood's milkshake and puts out a lineup of

Topic
Rokas
Djurisic
Bogoljub
Rocco

I'm so back
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 26, 2025, 08:24:28 AM
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 25, 2025, 12:03:00 PMNnaji is eligible because he never signed an NBA contract.  Yes, he played summer league,  but never was actually signed.  Once you sign an NBA deal, thats apparently when the NCAA is now saying you lose eligibility.  Although Im sure that will change again soon.

Honestly, moving to the hockey model makes some sense now for basketball.  Once you're drafted, you have three years to sign your pro deal, the pro team holds your rights.  But you can go to college to develop for those years so the pro team doesnt have to start the rookie contract until theyre older.  If you dont develop and the pro team doesnt sign a player after the 3 years, theyre then a free agent.

I've been saying this is the way for years, but I believe that NHL teams now hold a player's rights until four years after he was drafted (if drafted at 18). The scale slides if drafted older (three years for 19, two years for 20), so that it's essentially until a player is 22.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 26, 2025, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 24, 2025, 08:59:38 PMPick up a few NBA cast aways before the new year and we can still make the Tourney!
—-
Breaking today...

Former Detroit Pistons second-round pick James Nnaji has enrolled at Baylor and is immediately eligible to play for the Bears' men's basketball team, Jonathan Givony reports -- a significant development and unprecedented path to college basketball.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/baylor-former-nba-draft-pick-james-nnaji/

Did Baylor have an opening or did they cut someone from the squad?
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: wisblue on December 26, 2025, 06:54:44 PM
This is the latest step toward destroying my interest in major college basketball.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 26, 2025, 09:10:18 PM
Fran Fraschilla today ...
(Reads like a message to Shaka)

If you want stay in step as a college coach in the "new normal," you will need to conform to survive:

1. Academic requirements & graduate rates mean nothing to most families of star athletes. It's about the money.

2. Accept that agents now run college basketball. And, unlike NBA certified agents, many are clueless at best & shysters at worst. Still have to deal with them.

3. Evaluation of high school & transfer portal talent is at all-time low. These decisions are torpedoing even great programs. So hire people who know hoops.

4. You have to be willing to cut players who can't play. Do you want to feed their family or your family?

5. Cultivate "sugar daddies" for your program. But don't have them paying for bad evaluations. These are smart business people. You'll be cooked.

6. Hire an NBA guy that knows the international market (most of you already behind) or G League talent.

7. Study new world of NIL insurance so you are protected against liability when the athlete sues. You'll also need to determine how to claw back funds when player is injured for extended period of time.

8. Don't worry about tampering. That's out the window too.

Understand that, while some say college basketball is at it best right now, there will be unintended consequences. Some of it is good, some bad & much, an overcorrection. Anyone who thinks they know where this ends, especially with non-existent leadership at the top of the sport, is a fool.

https://x.com/franfraschilla/status/2004594891200893296?s=46
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 26, 2025, 09:56:12 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 26, 2025, 02:36:30 PMDid Baylor have an opening or did they cut someone from the squad?

They would have to been under 15. Once rosters are set for the first game there is no replacing players. But, teams can add if they are under 15.

Unfortunately, Marquette is not
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: dgies9156 on December 26, 2025, 11:58:13 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 25, 2025, 10:36:59 AMOf course, the risk is the NBA team yanking the player mid-season because they need them. Imagine if Cooper Flagg were drafted, sent to Duke, and after 10 or so games, the NBA team had seen enough and "called him up?"  If he then struggled in the association, can they "send him down" in time to play Carolina later in the season?


Gee, we have never seen that at Marquette, now have we?  ;D
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 27, 2025, 07:34:48 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 26, 2025, 09:10:18 PMFran Fraschilla today ...
(Reads like a message to Shaka)

If you want stay in step as a college coach in the "new normal," you will need to conform to survive:

1. Academic requirements & graduate rates mean nothing to most families of star athletes. It's about the money.

2. Accept that agents now run college basketball. And, unlike NBA certified agents, many are clueless at best & shysters at worst. Still have to deal with them.

3. Evaluation of high school & transfer portal talent is at all-time low. These decisions are torpedoing even great programs. So hire people who know hoops.

4. You have to be willing to cut players who can't play. Do you want to feed their family or your family?

5. Cultivate "sugar daddies" for your program. But don't have them paying for bad evaluations. These are smart business people. You'll be cooked.

6. Hire an NBA guy that knows the international market (most of you already behind) or G League talent.

7. Study new world of NIL insurance so you are protected against liability when the athlete sues. You'll also need to determine how to claw back funds when player is injured for extended period of time.

8. Don't worry about tampering. That's out the window too.

Understand that, while some say college basketball is at it best right now, there will be unintended consequences. Some of it is good, some bad & much, an overcorrection. Anyone who thinks they know where this ends, especially with non-existent leadership at the top of the sport, is a fool.

https://x.com/franfraschilla/status/2004594891200893296?s=46

Will the NCAAT survive past 2032?
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 27, 2025, 08:21:49 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 27, 2025, 07:34:48 AMWill the NCAAT survive past 2032?
Div. 1 FB and BB is a small part of what the NCAA administers, so yes is my answer.

It maynot be funded in the same way, via the NCAA Tourney, but by the member institutions, basically student tuition.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: NCMUFan on December 27, 2025, 08:30:58 AM
Justin Lewis available?
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: NCMUFan on December 27, 2025, 09:11:26 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 26, 2025, 09:10:18 PMFran Fraschilla today ...
(Reads like a message to Shaka)

If you want stay in step as a college coach in the "new normal," you will need to conform to survive:

1. Academic requirements & graduate rates mean nothing to most families of star athletes. It's about the money.

2. Accept that agents now run college basketball. And, unlike NBA certified agents, many are clueless at best & shysters at worst. Still have to deal with them.

3. Evaluation of high school & transfer portal talent is at all-time low. These decisions are torpedoing even great programs. So hire people who know hoops.

4. You have to be willing to cut players who can't play. Do you want to feed their family or your family?

5. Cultivate "sugar daddies" for your program. But don't have them paying for bad evaluations. These are smart business people. You'll be cooked.

6. Hire an NBA guy that knows the international market (most of you already behind) or G League talent.

7. Study new world of NIL insurance so you are protected against liability when the athlete sues. You'll also need to determine how to claw back funds when player is injured for extended period of time.

8. Don't worry about tampering. That's out the window too.

Understand that, while some say college basketball is at it best right now, there will be unintended consequences. Some of it is good, some bad & much, an overcorrection. Anyone who thinks they know where this ends, especially with non-existent leadership at the top of the sport, is a fool.

https://x.com/franfraschilla/status/2004594891200893296?s=46
Great post.  Like it or not, this is where the sport stands. 
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 27, 2025, 09:58:51 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 26, 2025, 09:10:18 PMFran Fraschilla today ...
(Reads like a message to Shaka)

If you want stay in step as a college coach in the "new normal," you will need to conform to survive:

1. Academic requirements & graduate rates mean nothing to most families of star athletes. It's about the money.

2. Accept that agents now run college basketball. And, unlike NBA certified agents, many are clueless at best & shysters at worst. Still have to deal with them.

3. Evaluation of high school & transfer portal talent is at all-time low. These decisions are torpedoing even great programs. So hire people who know hoops.

4. You have to be willing to cut players who can't play. Do you want to feed their family or your family?

5. Cultivate "sugar daddies" for your program. But don't have them paying for bad evaluations. These are smart business people. You'll be cooked.

6. Hire an NBA guy that knows the international market (most of you already behind) or G League talent.

7. Study new world of NIL insurance so you are protected against liability when the athlete sues. You'll also need to determine how to claw back funds when player is injured for extended period of time.

8. Don't worry about tampering. That's out the window too.


1. This has always been true. Does anyone think Derrick Rose went to Memphis for academics? Or Marcus Dupree chose Oklahoma for its graduation rates?

2. Agree

3. Seems like this has always been true, at least the part about the importance of good player evaluations and hiring good people.

4. Agree. Not sure this is anything new at many places.

5. Again, this has always been true. It's just more out in the open now.

6. Agree.

7. Sure.

8. When was the last time a major program was sanctioned for tampering? Another thing I think that has always been true, it's just more out in the open now.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: brewcity77 on December 27, 2025, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 27, 2025, 07:34:48 AMWill the NCAAT survive past 2032?

In its current form, I don't think so. More likely we'll get a BCS style tournament where the top football leagues run things and they give a few at-large bids to mid-major leagues and champions. I expect they'll do away with auto bids for the 14-16 seed type teams and replace them with HM teams that are higher in the metrics despite poor records.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MU82 on December 27, 2025, 04:39:02 PM
Agree with most of what Fraschilla says. The last sentence is certainly true, and that also applies to Fraschilla.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: tower912 on December 27, 2025, 06:18:01 PM
Whole concept is pathetic.  One step closer to voluntary extinction.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: BCHoopster on December 27, 2025, 09:58:22 PM
Why not play Walker right away? Supposedly a shooter, MU has none right now, so let him play!
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 27, 2025, 11:23:50 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 27, 2025, 09:58:22 PMWhy not play Walker right away? Supposedly a shooter, MU has none right now, so let him play!

Waste a year of eligibility on a lost season. Smart!

Did the alumni determine he's one of the players that will get money or is his being pulled?
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 27, 2025, 11:33:13 PM
Things are now moving fast ...

Three weeks ago Flowers played and scored for the Chicago Bulls.

Now at least 12 schools are lining up NIL money to sign him.

It's possible he plays in a college game in a few weeks when the spring semester starts.

https://x.com/joetipton/status/2005136366003437876?s=46
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 27, 2025, 11:52:02 PM
Michigan State's Tom Izzo rips the NCAA for allowing professional players back into college.

Izzo: "Shame on the players and same in the coaches."

https://x.com/spartans_illo/status/2005002310955729259?s=46
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: jesmu84 on December 28, 2025, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 27, 2025, 11:52:02 PMMichigan State's Tom Izzo rips the NCAA for allowing professional players back into college.

Izzo: "Shame on the players and same in the coaches."

https://x.com/spartans_illo/status/2005002310955729259?s=46

Tom should probably focus on the athlete related sexual assault on his campus first
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: BCHoopster on December 28, 2025, 12:25:58 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on December 27, 2025, 11:23:50 PMWaste a year of eligibility on a lost season. Smart!

Did the alumni determine he's one of the players that will get money or is his being pulled?

Redshirts now are ridiculous, MU needs a scorer right now, having a player for 3 years is fine, they will have enough time to find somebody else. MU needs help now, still have 19 games to play.  Let's see what he can do, has to be better then what they have now.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 28, 2025, 12:43:03 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 28, 2025, 12:25:58 AMRedshirts now are ridiculous, MU needs a scorer right now, having a player for 3 years is fine, they will have enough time to find somebody else. MU needs help now, still have 19 games to play.  Let's see what he can do, has to be better then what they have now.

Right now, Marquette has not beaten a team ranked in the top 200, and they've got four losses of more than 20 points

They're looking at a 12 and 20 season, probably worse.

—-

Let's assume Walker exceeds everyone's expectations, and maybe Even is the best shooter in NCAA basketball in the second half.


Where's that put Marquette at the end of the season? 15-17? 14-18?

This season is over. Quit trying to salvage the unsalvageable.

Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 08:29:46 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 28, 2025, 12:25:58 AMRedshirts now are ridiculous, MU needs a scorer right now, having a player for 3 years is fine, they will have enough time to find somebody else. MU needs help now, still have 19 games to play.  Let's see what he can do, has to be better then what they have now.

I'm not sure why we'd assume a kid who's never played in North America (other than perhaps a youth tourney) and apparently had no other known offers before committing to Marquette would be better than what they have right now.
Regardless, burning a full year of eligibility on half a lost season is a waste. Let's say the kid is great ... what does that do for us? Win 12 games instead of 10? No matta.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 28, 2025, 09:56:20 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 28, 2025, 12:43:03 AMRight now, Marquette has not beaten a team ranked in the top 200, and they've got four losses of more than 20 points

They're looking at a 12 and 20 season, probably worse.

—-

Let's assume Walker exceeds everyone's expectations, and maybe Even is the best shooter in NCAA basketball in the second half.


Where's that put Marquette at the end of the season? 15-17? 14-18?

This season is over. Quit trying to salvage the unsalvageable.



12-20?? lol, they'd be lucky to win 8. Not a chance this team wins 7 games ROS.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 28, 2025, 10:00:41 AM
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 08:29:46 AMI'm not sure why we'd assume a kid who's never played in North America (other than perhaps a youth tourney) and apparently had no other known offers before committing to Marquette would be better than what they have right now.
Regardless, burning a full year of eligibility on half a lost season is a waste. Let's say the kid is great ... what does that do for us? Win 12 games instead of 10? No matta.

The benefit would be getting him acclimated to Big East Basketball so he is more advanced in his development next year. Also allows Shaka to know if he really has a player.  Obviously practicing against our current players is not useful for Shaka's assessments which have been poor partly because the talent on our roster is poor. But I get your point as well.  Just throwing it out there. 
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 28, 2025, 10:14:00 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 27, 2025, 10:19:17 AMIn its current form, I don't think so. More likely we'll get a BCS style tournament where the top football leagues run things and they give a few at-large bids to mid-major leagues and champions. I expect they'll do away with auto bids for the 14-16 seed type teams and replace them with HM teams that are higher in the metrics despite poor records.

absolutely. The high majors really started seething when George Mason made the Final Four, then other mid-majors like VCU, Butler, WSU, and Loyola made it. It was ok for those schools to spring the occasional upset and maybe make a Sweet 16, but the Final Four and the revenue from the units was supposed to be for the power conferences.

The power in college sports has not been consolidated with the P4 as much as it has been with the Big Ten and SEC. They're telling Charlie Baker what to do, and Baker is often caving to them. The expansion of the tourney is to ensure that 17-15 Minnesota or 16-16 South Carolina gets a bid, not 29-4 High Point or 27-6 Montana, who both dared to lose their in-conference tourney title games after winning their conference regular-season titles. Those schools don't even get an NIT bid anymore. Baker has talked openly about a new division. While the thought was that it would be for football, it's going to be an FBS/FCS split across all sports, and I suspect programs will have to dedicate a minimum amount of spending to be in that top division.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: illiniwarriors on December 28, 2025, 11:20:42 AM
In the current wild west of college basketball with the ability to transfer Every year there is no reason to redshirt anyone.
What the coaching staff sees in practice every day from our redshirts is not indicative of what these kids can do in the Big East. Chase is the only player on Marquette that would start for any Big East program.
Let the freshmen play now. It won'thant be any more painful to watch than the crap we see currently.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 12:37:30 PM
Quote from: illiniwarriors on December 28, 2025, 11:20:42 AMIn the current wild west of college basketball with the ability to transfer Every year there is no reason to redshirt anyone.
What the coaching staff sees in practice every day from our redshirts is not indicative of what these kids can do in the Big East. Chase is the only player on Marquette that would start for any Big East program.
Let the freshmen play now. It won'thant be any more painful to watch than the crap we see currently.

Then what's the solution for 2029-2030 when there's a chance they could be out of eligibility?

Most everyone understands it doesn't make sense to lift the redshirts "now" given how this season has fallen off a cliff, but it never made sense to have 20% of our roster sitting out so they can solely focus on relationships and growth. Say what you want about how it made sense for an individual player, but that's just really poor roster building. We'll have 5 players (a third of the team) on next year's roster who have never played a minute of college basketball.

Also, amidst all of this chaos in the current landscape, it sure would be nice to have a scholarship or two open as well if an opportunity arose to get somebody. Having 3 redshirts and being full really limits that flexibility.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 02:23:28 PM
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 28, 2025, 10:00:41 AMThe benefit would be getting him acclimated to Big East Basketball so he is more advanced in his development next year. Also allows Shaka to know if he really has a player.  Obviously practicing against our current players is not useful for Shaka's assessments which have been poor partly because the talent on our roster is poor. But I get your point as well.  Just throwing it out there. 

I see your point, but I can't think of many worse environments for a legit evaluation than throwing a guy straight off the plane into this mix.
You're setting him up for failure if you ask him to come in and produce a few days after he arrives on campus - no preseason, no familiarity with his teammates, no experience in the system, maybe a couple of practices - especially with this lineup around him.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 28, 2025, 02:44:38 PM
More coaches are weighing in that college athletics (particularly basketball) is broken.

https://x.com/coachbrucepearl/status/2005283017754022184?s=20


https://x.com/NILnotNLI/status/2005099188506493059?s=20
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 28, 2025, 02:47:59 PM
This is not good for the sport.
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Good morning, This is an educated guess based on anecdotal information but of the roughly 5,000 D-I players I bet that, over Christmas break, a 1,000 were reached out to by agents, other schools' coaches or a combination of the two,  about transferring after the season. Anyone in the know dispute that?

https://x.com/franfraschilla/status/2005265989139579306?s=20

Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 28, 2025, 12:25:58 AMRedshirts now are ridiculous, MU needs a scorer right now, having a player for 3 years is fine, they will have enough time to find somebody else. MU needs help now, still have 19 games to play.  Let's see what he can do, has to be better then what they have now.

This is just insanely stupid and I'm astounded that people keep bringing up pulling redshirts. Stop it.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 04:26:59 PM
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 12:37:30 PMThen what's the solution for 2029-2030 when there's a chance they could be out of eligibility?

Most everyone understands it doesn't make sense to lift the redshirts "now" given how this season has fallen off a cliff, but it never made sense to have 20% of our roster sitting out so they can solely focus on relationships and growth. Say what you want about how it made sense for an individual player, but that's just really poor roster building. We'll have 5 players (a third of the team) on next year's roster who have never played a minute of college basketball.

Also, amidst all of this chaos in the current landscape, it sure would be nice to have a scholarship or two open as well if an opportunity arose to get somebody. Having 3 redshirts and being full really limits that flexibility.

Why is it bad roster building? How much is more Michael Philips developing by playing a couple minutes a game in blowouts than Sheek is by redshirting? No rotation is going to play 15 guys. And why do you need an open scholarship?

Not having enough talent in players 1-12 is the issue with this roster. Not saving open scholarships in case NBA players suddenly become eligible to play college basketball again.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MU82 on December 28, 2025, 04:58:19 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 28, 2025, 12:25:58 AMRedshirts now are ridiculous, MU needs a scorer right now, having a player for 3 years is fine, they will have enough time to find somebody else. MU needs help now, still have 19 games to play.  Let's see what he can do, has to be better then what they have now.

Maybe, just maybe, neither Walker nor Shaka think he is ready to play at this level quite yet. And maybe, just maybe, they know more about the situation than some Scoop perma-Eeyore.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Jay Bee on December 29, 2025, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2025, 04:58:19 PMMaybe, just maybe, neither Walker nor Shaka think he is ready to play at this level quite yet. And maybe, just maybe, they know more about the situation than some Scoop perma-Eeyore.

I think it can get down to the reason for the redshirt. For example, the geek from uw-madison that just started playing.. he was redshirting because ze wanted to. He got more comfortable as time went on and became open to the idea of playing this year. Could that happen with one of our guys? Sure.

The calculation can be far more complex than, "welp, don't burn a year bc we suck this year". Lots of potential different angles.

Nonetheless, we have plenty of bodies at this point in time. Let DO cook, even if it comes with some ugliness at times..
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on December 29, 2025, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 29, 2025, 12:41:54 PMLet DO cook, even if it comes with some ugliness at times..

Yessir
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 29, 2025, 04:47:30 PM
Opposing teams smell blood in the water. Sharka is building relationships.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Small Orange Soda on December 29, 2025, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2025, 04:58:19 PMMaybe, just maybe, neither Walker nor Shaka think he is ready to play at this level quite yet. And maybe, just maybe, they know more about the situation than some Scoop perma-Eeyore.

The guys Shaka has recruited who 'aren't ready to play at this level quite yet' have shown they aren't ready to play at this level at all. Hopefully Nash is an exception.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 29, 2025, 05:04:15 PM
In an effort to try and be positive lol. Shaka may save the season by having as bad as Marquette has played in the first half maybe Marquette plays the opposite in the second half. Hopefully Nash is an exception and hopefully Marquette has enough talent to make it happen.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Viper on December 29, 2025, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 29, 2025, 05:04:15 PMIn an effort to try and be positive lol. Shaka may save the season by having as bad as Marquette has played in the first half maybe Marquette plays the opposite in the second half. Hopefully Nash is an exception and hopefully Marquette has enough talent to make it happen.
love your optimism, MarquetteMike, but this season is toast. It can turn around quickly in basketball...case in point Shaka's first season at MU!! But, he's reverted to using a Garmin suction-cupped to his windshield. The programming has him taking the long way dirt road to Loserville.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MU82 on December 29, 2025, 06:10:56 PM
Can't save this season. But this excellent job of tanking will get us the most ping-pong balls in the college hoops draft lottery.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 29, 2025, 07:24:09 PM
Could this mess galvanize us tomorrow?  Or is it completely futile?
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 08:22:58 PM
Probably galvanize us to a 3-point loss where we don't get a shot off on the final possession.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 29, 2025, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2025, 08:22:58 PMProbably galvanize us to a 3-point loss where we don't get a shot off on the final possession.

Lol. 
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 09:08:16 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2025, 07:24:09 PMCould this mess galvanize us tomorrow?  Or is it completely futile?

If Shaka didn't have to answer questions from the media about the departure it could've. Alas, MU's Twitter made sure that will not happen.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: K1 Lover on December 29, 2025, 09:55:05 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2025, 07:24:09 PMCould this mess galvanize us tomorrow?  Or is it completely futile?

Interestingly, ESPN and BartTorvik predict a relatively close game, with a slight edge in favor of Seton Hall. Seems generous considering that SH has the 13th best defense in the country.

My guess is that the predictions models have been overestimating Marquette's current home court advantage this season.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MuggsyB on December 29, 2025, 10:21:51 PM
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 29, 2025, 09:55:05 PMInterestingly, ESPN and BartTorvik predict a relatively close game, with a slight edge in favor of Seton Hall. Seems generous considering that SH has the 13th best defense in the country.

My guess is that the predictions models have been overestimating Marquette's current home court advantage this season.

I think your guess is likely right.  My only thought was if we don't play with the highest possible level of 🔥 and tenacity tomorrow, we won't see it for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on December 29, 2025, 10:59:36 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2025, 10:21:51 PMI think your guess is likely right.  My only thought was if we don't play with the highest possible level of 🔥 and tenacity tomorrow, we won't see it for the rest of the season.

Seton Hall's offense is terrible. That's why they predict it close. Problem is that our offense and defense is terrible and even more important than that, we aren't tough...at all, and that will make it easier for Seton Hall to get some buckets.

They should beat us but it may be ugly.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Heisenberg on December 30, 2025, 06:56:01 AM
Danny Hurley saying college basketball is broken and at risk of ruining the game.

https://x.com/mattnorlander/status/2005842309930172552?s=46
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: MU82 on December 30, 2025, 10:45:38 AM
Oh well. College hoops has had a good run.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 30, 2025, 12:05:55 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 30, 2025, 10:45:38 AMOh well. College hoops has had a good run.
Meh. Not so good except for 1977. MMA and Esports are the future.  8-)
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: BE_GoldenEagle on January 02, 2026, 04:08:13 PM
He simply cannot. This is how we are viewed across college basketball right now. Maybe it can be a turning point for an era of Marquette Basketball, but it won't be saved this year.

https://x.com/i/status/2007126043472371856
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: PointWarrior on January 02, 2026, 05:28:44 PM
But Elon, VBMG and wades say everything is fine.


Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on January 02, 2026, 04:08:13 PMHe simply cannot. This is how we are viewed across college basketball right now. Maybe it can be a turning point for an era of Marquette Basketball, but it won't be saved this year.

https://x.com/i/status/2007126043472371856
:)
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: wadesworld on January 02, 2026, 05:51:37 PM
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 02, 2026, 05:28:44 PMBut Elon, VBMG and wades say everything is fine.

 :)

I'd like to see where I said that.

I also don't think our program is thought of as an embarrassment to the sport of basketball.
Title: Re: How Shaka Can Save This Season
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 03, 2026, 09:11:03 AM
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 02, 2026, 05:28:44 PMBut Elon, VBMG and wades say everything is fine.

 :)

Feel free to show me once where I've said everything is fine, genius.

In fact, I've said the opposite multiple times.
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