https://x.com/marquettembb/status/2002507747506651481?s=46
Gonna need Norman and Owens to really step up if they wanna keep it under 25
Norman give me a break!
Hopefully Stevens and Phillips keep getting more minutes now.
Zaide, hopefully first domino to leave!
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 20, 2025, 04:36:05 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/2002507747506651481?s=46
This is interesting
https://x.com/i/status/2002509939571626160
Quote from: MUbiz on December 20, 2025, 05:00:28 PMThis is interesting
https://x.com/i/status/2002509939571626160
Do you find ludicrous troll accounts interesting?
Well, it it's true, I'm with Zaide on this one.
Seriously, how likely is that the reason for the rift?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 20, 2025, 05:05:51 PMDo you find ludicrous troll accounts interesting?
Oh crap. He changed his name. Didn't realize that. Wasn't it whitesoxfan or something?
Quote from: MUbiz on December 20, 2025, 05:00:28 PMThis is interesting
Pretty sure WhiteSoxBill is a troll account.
EDIT: Ah damn. Beat me to it.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 20, 2025, 05:10:01 PMPretty sure WhiteSoxBill is a troll account.
EDIT: Ah damn. Beat me to it.
Yeah see that now. Thanks!
Was he on the bench the other night?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 20, 2025, 05:25:46 PMWas he on the bench the other night?
Yes. With warmups off, but no apparent sparkle in his eye.
Listen to what Shaka said post game about Zaide and then it is more clear that he is leaving. So with Zaide, Ben and Chase leaving next year the portal may be unavoidable. There appears to be some significant cracks in Shaka's strategy.
Just more evidence that RGV is total nonsense. Guy that's been in the program 3 years gets pulled from a game and immediately just quits? Lol
Quote from: Class71 on December 20, 2025, 06:06:43 PMListen to what Shaka said post game about Zaide and then it is more clear that he is leaving. So with Zaide, Ben and Chase leaving next year the portal may be unavoidable. There appears to be some significant cracks in Shaka's strategy.
That would be only one spot so far. There were 15 scholarships.
Likely a first domino.
Is it crazy to suggest that maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions here?
Maybe this is about Marquette basketball, maybe not.
Maybe there's something happening in his life right now that's more important than a game.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 20, 2025, 06:43:54 PMIs it crazy to suggest that maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions here?
Maybe this is about Marquette basketball, maybe not.
Maybe there's something happening in his life right now that's more important than a game.
That is fair.
Quote from: Class71 on December 20, 2025, 06:06:43 PMListen to what Shaka said post game about Zaide and then it is more clear that he is leaving. So with Zaide, Ben and Chase leaving next year the portal may be unavoidable. There appears to be some significant cracks in Shaka's strategy.
Cracks? Yes sir. Also some huge fissure along with massive gaps.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 20, 2025, 06:43:54 PMIs it crazy to suggest that maybe we shouldn't jump to conclusions here?
Maybe this is about Marquette basketball, maybe not.
Maybe there's something happening in his life right now that's more important than a game.
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(I concur)
He gone? Sad. Always liked Zaide, but obviously he had been brutal this season. Hope all is good with him.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 20, 2025, 06:25:12 PMJust more evidence that RGV is total nonsense. Guy that's been in the program 3 years gets pulled from a game and immediately just quits? Lol
Sure starting to sound like Relationship and Growth are taking a hit with the Lowery saga.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 20, 2025, 06:25:12 PMJust more evidence that RGV is total nonsense. Guy that's been in the program 3 years gets pulled from a game and immediately just quits? Lol
It's total nonsense when we're losing. Everyone loved it for the first 4 years.
Sometimes relationships get strained.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 20, 2025, 04:40:38 PMGonna need Norman and Owens to really step up if they wanna keep it under 25
I, for one, hope we score more than 25.
Enjoy Missouri State Zaide.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 20, 2025, 07:32:54 PMEnjoy Missouri State Zaide.
Probably better than us tbh
So Zaide absence may not be related to recent benching?! lol!
Phillips gives up five points in five seconds.
I think Zaide may be in the right with this decision
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The reason behind this is that Zaide had an argument with Shaka about Caedin Hamilton still starting. Shaka in return benched Zaide.
Zaide will be transferring
Relationships Growth Transferring
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The reason behind this is that Zaide had an argument with Shaka about Caedin Hamilton still starting. Shaka in return benched Zaide.
Zaide will be transferring
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The reason behind this is that Zaide had an argument with Shaka about Caedin Hamilton still starting. Shaka in return benched Zaide.
Zaide will be transferring
If it's in Twitter you know it's true
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The reason behind this is that Zaide had an argument with Shaka about Caedin Hamilton still starting. Shaka in return benched Zaide.
Zaide will be transferring
Thanks for continuing to spread a troll account's Tweets.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 20, 2025, 07:27:09 PMIt's total nonsense when we're losing. Everyone loved it for the first 4 years.
Sometimes relationships get strained.
Let's be honest. This is not hard. NONE OF THIS RGV WORKS WITHOUT TALENT.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 09:17:19 PMLet's be honest. This is not hard. NONE OF THIS RGV WORKS WITHOUT TALENT.
NO KIDDING!
Quote from: wadesworld on December 20, 2025, 09:24:23 PMNO KIDDING!
Then don't bring up the last four years when "everyone liked it". It's a dumb argument. RGV is made up bullcrap. He won because he had talent. Not RGV.
The other fiction is Shaka developed players with marginal talent. He did not. They were future NBA players whether we knew it at the time or not.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 09:26:41 PMThen don't bring up the last four years when "everyone liked it". It's a dumb argument. RGV is made up bullcrap. He won because he had talent. Not RGV.
Relationships and development (growth) are undoubtedly important towards winning in college basketball. Not as important as talent, but they're definitely important.
Find me a college basketball team that doesn't have some cheesy, ultimately pointless motto they live by. When the teams are winning the fans eat it up. When they're losing it's "made up bullcrap."
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 09:27:58 PMThe other fiction is Shaka developed players with marginal talent. He did not. They were future NBA players whether we knew it at the time or not.
I mean come on. Kolek was a great passing, unathletic white kid who couldn't shoot. Oso split time with a high energy, limited skill Kur. OMax couldn't find the court on Clemson. This is just flat out silliness. He/the staff absolutely developed those players.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 09:27:58 PMThe other fiction is Shaka developed players with marginal talent. He did not. They were future NBA players whether we knew it at the time or not.
This is a wild statement. You basically disqualified everyone who made huge leaps under Shaka because they went onto the NBA. Kinda crazy.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 09:26:41 PMThen don't bring up the last four years when "everyone liked it". It's a dumb argument. RGV is made up bullcrap. He won because he had talent. Not RGV.
Last season was the first that he didn't have any transfers on the roster and was carried by a Wojo recruit. This year Shaka and the entire university has gone all in with RGV with the branding and merchandise. It's a brand more than anything now.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 20, 2025, 09:29:17 PMRelationships and development (growth) are undoubtedly important towards winning in college basketball. Not as important as talent, but they're definitely important.
Find me a college basketball team that doesn't have some cheesy, ultimately pointless motto they live by. When the teams are winning the fans eat it up. When they're losing it's "made up bullcrap."
Agree, crazy that we'll all get fooled. RGV is a MINOR FACTOR WHEN COMPARED TO TALENT.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 20, 2025, 09:30:25 PMI mean come on. Kolek was a great passing, unathletic white kid who couldn't shoot. Oso split time with a high energy, limited skill Kur. OMax couldn't find the court on Clemson. This is just flat out silliness. He/the staff absolutely developed those players.
They had talent. You are kidding yourself
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 09:57:53 PMThey had talent. You are kidding yourself
No kidding they had talent. Shaka and the coaching staff absolutely helped develop them into NBA players. I get it. We're all mad about what this team is. You don't have to rewrite history to take any credit away from this coaching staff.
Look, it's probably going to be a long season. Everyone has an opinion as to which player should transfer, and speculation as to the Lowery situation. Maybe next week, it will be a problem with another. Each will get worse as each week goes by.
My worry would be if this disaster continues to play out, with the losses at home, not getting game ending shots off, getting completely smoked/embarrassed and disgruntled players, what happens to the players that should stay. Do they actually want to be a part of this? I know only speculation, but you can just imagine what is going on with the players, most who have never seen anything like this.
Does James go back home to like St. Johns
Does Stevens go back home to Georgetown, Maryland, Virginia
Does Parham go back home to Pitt
What is going on in Pearson's mind, sitting watching this all? Did I make mistake?
Long way to go and maybe MU makes some credible games, but a disaster year usually has disastrous endings.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 20, 2025, 10:00:25 PMNo kidding they had talent. Shaka and the coaching staff absolutely helped develop them into NBA players. I get it. We're all mad about what this team is. You don't have to rewrite history to take any credit away from this coaching staff.
Oh Lord. They would have been NBA players on many other teams. With many other coaches.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 10:06:10 PMOh Lord. They would have been NBA players on many other teams. With many other coaches.
But they didn't play for other teams with other coaches. The idea that Kolek, Oso, and OMax were NBA players when they arrived at Marquette is so far from reality it's incredible.
Ignorant coach. Pathetic team. Historic season.
^^^
From the press conference:
Q: why was Zaide not here?
Shaka: personal reasons.
Q: is he suspended?
Shaka: no.
Q: is he leaving?
Shaka: no.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 20, 2025, 10:17:32 PMBut they didn't play for other teams with other coaches. The idea that Kolek, Oso, and OMax were NBA players when they arrived at Marquette is so far from reality it's incredible.
Wades, they had the talent. Any number of coaches would have gotten them there in two to three years. Shaka did it. He should get some credit for that. But the players are the main reason they got to the NBA. Shaka will get more talent to the NBA when he recruits NBA talent. But you either have it or you don't. Shaka can't make a diamond from coal.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 10:54:52 PMShaka can't make a diamond from coal.
He thinks he can and that's evidenced by his obsession with Hamilton.
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The reason behind this is that Zaide had an argument with Shaka about Caedin Hamilton still starting. Shaka in return benched Zaide.
Zaide will be transferring
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 20, 2025, 05:05:51 PMDo you find ludicrous troll accounts interesting?
The troll comment about this being about Hamilton not starting is not true at all. Zaide isn't "all in" right now and the staff got wind he might be transferring thus leading to them telling him not to travel with the team. They are gonna reevaluate his status after the weekend but I assume he is gone.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 10:54:52 PMWades, they had the talent. Any number of coaches would have gotten them there in two to three years. Shaka did it. He should get some credit for that. But the players are the main reason they got to the NBA. Shaka will get more talent to the NBA when he recruits NBA talent. But you either have it or you don't. Shaka can't make a diamond from coal.
Pretty sure all of those guys would give Shaka and staff high marks as a coaching staff and their role in their development.
Current squad is a trainwreck and seems the coaching staff is also wrecked on how to fix it, but to try to discredit the development of Kam, Kolek, Oso, OMax is disingenuous.
Quote from: #UnleashMalik on December 20, 2025, 09:33:05 PMThis is a wild statement. You basically disqualified everyone who made huge leaps under Shaka because they went onto the NBA. Kinda crazy.
Yep. Have to have the talent first. Lots of coaches out there who would have loved to develop Oso, Kolek, Omax and Kam. He did not screw it up. I'll give you that. He did a good job. Coaching is important. But not more important than talent. Getting a team to play cohesively is important. Definitely helps guys get to the next level when there is team success.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on December 20, 2025, 11:01:29 PMThe troll comment about this being about Hamilton not starting is not true at all. Zaide isn't "all in" right now and the staff got wind he might be transferring thus leading to them telling him not to travel with the team. They are gonna reevaluate his status after the weekend but I assume he is gone.
Bye Bye. Has done nothing all season.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 11:02:30 PMYep. Have to have the talent first. Lots of coaches out there who would have loved to develop Oso, Kolek, Omax and Kam. He did not screw it up. I'll give you that. He did a good job. Coaching is important. But not more important than talent. Getting a team to play cohesively is important. Definitely helps guys get to the next level when there is team success.
Talent is multi-faceted. If you have BBIQ that can trump physical gifts. It's a hunger that gets some of these players to the next level and succeeding as well. Tons of dudes come and go in the NBA who have immense physical talent but no IQ, drive, motor, support system, etc.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 20, 2025, 11:47:08 PMTalent is multi-faceted. If you have BBIQ that can trump physical gifts. It's a hunger that gets some of these players to the next level and succeeding as well. Tons of dudes come and go in the NBA who have immense physical talent but no IQ, drive, motor, support system, etc.
No doubt. The players at MU over the last several years had all those attributes in spades. Shaka was lucky to have them and visa versa. Was a great match for him and them.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 20, 2025, 09:57:53 PMThey had talent. You are kidding yourself
Oso, Kolek, Kam, Stevie, Joplin & Chase > all progressed much more than incoming high school recruits with similar rankings and expectations. Look at their recruiting ratings then look at their Marquette results, individually and as a team.
A big part of it is mental and leadership. When you have Kolek & Oso leading by example other players do not want to let them down and when you have Stevie doing anything possible to help the team win, and sacrificing his body every game, it is motivating for everyone.
If you look at the current Freshmen and Sophomores with the top 4-5 recruiting rankings this season it is similar to the Oso-group mentioned above. I'm not saying they will progress as much, as the Oso-group was special, but they will evolve and we should expect 1-2 to breakout.
I am not concerned about talent and player progression but loosing is deflating so we should all be concerned about loosing top players when the season ends.
Beautiful sunrise 🌞 this morning, so there's that.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 20, 2025, 10:00:25 PMNo kidding they had talent. Shaka and the coaching staff absolutely helped develop them into NBA players. I get it. We're all mad about what this team is. You don't have to rewrite history to take any credit away from this coaching staff.
Right, but wasn't Kolek player of the year in the conference he was in as a Freshman?
Can't say he didn't have loads of talent.
But Oso may not have turned into the player he became under Wojo.
Who knows about Stevie and Kam. Clearly Wojo recruited two guys with a high level of talent.
OMax may not have become the player he became at Clemson.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 21, 2025, 07:46:50 AMRight, but wasn't Kolek player of the year in the conference he was in as a Freshman?
Can't say he didn't have loads of talent.
But Oso may not have turned into the player he became under Wojo.
Who knows about Stevie and Kam. Clearly Wojo recruited two guys with a high level of talent.
OMax may not have become the player he became at Clemson.
He was A10 Freshman of the Year
Quote from: The_Blaze on December 21, 2025, 01:05:46 AMI am not concerned about talent and player progression but loosing is deflating so we should all be concerned about loosing top players when the season ends.
It was going well until this paragraph. :/
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 21, 2025, 07:56:58 AMIt was going well until this paragraph. :/
Right, we might become a team ripe for poaching best talent from.
When was the last time a MU player was benched and then not included on a road trip? Looks like there are some kinks in the "R" portion of the RGV. If this signals a roster overhaul, it can only be viewed as a step in the right direction.
Quote from: onepost on December 20, 2025, 10:19:31 PMIgnorant coach. Pathetic team. Historic season.
I get being frustrated with the season, but this is just uncalled for. It's depressing to see all the vitriol being bandied about from certain Scoopers about the coach, the team, and fellow Scoopers who choose not to jump on the "scorched earth" bandwagon. The minimal participation from select Scoopers who in prior seasons contributed learned posts and analysis - both positive and negative - is noticeable. Unless you join in the bashing, you get jumped on for being a slurper. It gets tiring and makes MUScoop a less attractive forum.
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Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 21, 2025, 11:27:18 AMI get being frustrated with the season, but this is just uncalled for. It's depressing to see all the vitriol being bandied about from certain Scoopers about the coach, the team, and fellow Scoopers who choose not to jump on the "scorched earth" bandwagon. The minimal participation from select Scoopers who in prior seasons contributed learned posts and analysis - both positive and negative - is noticeable. Unless you join in the bashing, you get jumped on for being a slurper. It gets tiring and makes MUScoop a less attractive forum.
Onepost has the emotional fortitude of a 2 year old. As do a handful of other scorched earth Scoopers - some of whom are very likely Badger trolls.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 21, 2025, 11:27:18 AMI get being frustrated with the season, but this is just uncalled for.
It's uncalled for to call what Shaka is doing "ignorance"? Am I wrong? To not work with agents, to not take transfers, and to double and triple down on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - I'd call that ignorant.
We're having a historically bad season, and you're upset posters are meeting that with heightened frustration? It's a message board.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 20, 2025, 10:48:14 PMFrom the press conference:
Q: why was Zaide not here?
Shaka: personal reasons.
Q: is he suspended?
Shaka: no.
Q: is he leaving?
Shaka: no.
Zaide doesn't have a choice right now, as the transfer portal doesn't open up until after the season, and he can't drop to JUCO. Unless he's going to do what the Badger football player (allegedly...) did and transfer on his own without having any contact with the coach or school (allegedly...) he's stuck at MU for the rest of the year.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43458151/xavier-lucas-leaves-wisconsin-miami-entering-portal
NM Wrong Thread
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 21, 2025, 12:24:41 PMZaide doesn't have a choice right now, as the transfer portal doesn't open up until after the season
#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: onepost on December 21, 2025, 11:45:21 AMIt's uncalled for to call what Shaka is doing "ignorance"? Am I wrong? To not work with agents, to not take transfers, and to double and triple down on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - I'd call that ignorant.
We're having a historically bad season, and you're upset posters are meeting that with heightened frustration? It's a message board.
You didn't say his decision to avoid the portal is ignorant. That is a critique of his choice of recruiting philosophy. No issue with that. You called him - the person - ignorant. That is a personal insult.
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Nothing personal with my comment. As I noted, we're all frustrated with the season. Many others have posted similar. Yours just prompted my response. It's bad enough what's going on with the team, and then to have that turn MUScoop into a bitchfest is worse.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 21, 2025, 01:02:30 PMYou didn't say his decision to avoid the portal is ignorant. That is a critique of his choice of recruiting philosophy. No issue with that. You called him - the person - ignorant. That is a personal insult.
I get the confusion, so thanks for allowing me to clear it up. Nothing I ever post on this board is meant to be personal in regards to the coaches or players. I've reiterated as often as I can how highly I think of Shaka the person. In contrast, I find Shaka the coach to be showing an incredible amount of ignorance both in his recruiting and in the game-by-game coaching we're seeing.
Quote from: onepost on December 21, 2025, 11:45:21 AMIt's uncalled for to call what Shaka is doing "ignorance"? Am I wrong? To not work with agents, to not take transfers, and to double and triple down on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - I'd call that ignorant.
We're having a historically bad season, and you're upset posters are meeting that with heightened frustration? It's a message board.
Egbuonu signed with an agent well before committing to Marquette. This is just false.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 21, 2025, 02:44:40 PMEgbuonu signed with an agent well before committing to Marquette. This is just false.
"Won't work with agents" on the whole. It's been noted by a number of national writers that Shaka's unwillingness to work with agents (Morillo most recently) is more damaging than his unwillingness to use the portal.
https://x.com/cbb_central/status/1996265555758645515?s=46&t=XcHvMHlRF0oCgzQY_T0_eg
Quote from: onepost on December 21, 2025, 11:45:21 AMIt's uncalled for to call what Shaka is doing "ignorance"? Am I wrong? To not work with agents, to not take transfers, and to double and triple down on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - I'd call that ignorant.
We're having a historically bad season, and you're upset posters are meeting that with heightened frustration? It's a message board.
Yes, and the irony of you calling anyone ignorant is rich. Explain how you see Shaka as having double and triple downed on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - a level in which you could never possibly dream of playing in, in your wildest dreams - yet have no problem absolutely trashing our players?
Do all freshman have to come in and make an immediate impact for them to not be granted a second season with the program? Do all sophomores never improve from their sophomore year to their next two?
This is year 1 of RGV being stress tested, and its been a failure. Nothing Shaka can do now...and you are on here daily throwing pitchforks like a unnatural carnal knowledgeing toddler. You are incredibly ignorant, but most toddlers don't have enough capacity to do much beyond whine when they are frustrated.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 03:38:41 PMyou are on here daily throwing pitchforks like a unnatural carnal knowledgeing toddler. You are incredibly ignorant, but most toddlers don't have enough capacity to do much beyond whine when they are frustrated.
Do you not recall how you were for 7yrs of Wojo?
I mean yes Onepost has been obnoxious but Ners you were so obnoxious you invented weird terms like slurpers for anyone who said anything remotely positive about him (that you've still used). As recently as a year or two ago still get worked up about Derrick Wilson as a player and lastly started a poll (which you were losing but never followed through on because mods shut it down) on whether you should self ban.
Don't throw stones in glass houses. If Onepost becomes the you of the Shaka era then at least have the balls to realize what everyone was saying about you for 7years.
We could all probably practice some self awareness, but Ners might need an intervention.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 03:38:41 PMYes, and the irony of you calling anyone ignorant is rich. Explain how you see Shaka as having double and triple downed on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - a level in which you could never possibly dream of playing in, in your wildest dreams - yet have no problem absolutely trashing our players?
Do all freshman have to come in and make an immediate impact for them to not be granted a second season with the program? Do all sophomores never improve from their sophomore year to their next two?
This is year 1 of RGV being stress tested, and its been a failure. Nothing Shaka can do now...and you are on here daily throwing pitchforks like a unnatural carnal knowledgeing toddler. You are incredibly ignorant, but most toddlers don't have enough capacity to do much beyond whine when they are frustrated.
I'm sorry, Ners. Clearly I've struck the
most sensitive nerve you have and I'm genuinely sorry about that. It's not that serious, man.
No, I didn't play D1 basketball. No, I don't think that precludes me from vocalizing disappointment. Yes, I've been obnoxious and frustrated because this season and recent plummet is so self-inflicted. I had no faith in Wojo, so I wasn't hammering the "slurpers" from 2019-2021. I had so much faith in Shaka, which makes me more vocal about wanting this to work. It seems like many changes are clear and obvious, but I don't think he's willing to make them. So here we are.
Since Dayton I haven't watched very much, but do you think some of the opposing coaches have let up out of professional respect for Shaka? Feel like some of the games could/should have been worse.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 21, 2025, 05:54:18 PMSince Dayton I haven't watched very much, but do you think some of the opposing coaches have let up out of professional respect for Shaka? Feel like some of the games could/should have been worse.
Nah. Aside from the normal garbage-time situations that happen in every blowout game in the country.
McDermott still had most of his starters in with 1-2 minutes to go yesterday. He probably felt he needed to win by as much as possible to improve his team's metrics.
Quote from: MU82 on December 21, 2025, 06:01:30 PMNah. Aside from the normal garbage-time situations that happen in every blowout game in the country.
McDermott still had most of his starters in with 1-2 minutes to go yesterday. He probably felt he needed to win by as much as possible to improve his team's metrics.
Good to know. Minor relief. I thought it maybe worse than it looked on the scoreboard.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 21, 2025, 06:23:29 PMGood to know. Minor relief. I thought it maybe worse than it looked on the scoreboard.
Outside of the 25-2 (or whatever it was) run that happened in about 3 minutes and completely ended the game, Creighton looked pretty mid. Once they got up 30 in the second half, their players seemed to lose interest and they had some really bad shot selection. Them not winning by 40 was more about them than us.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 21, 2025, 06:23:29 PMGood to know. Minor relief. I thought it maybe worse than it looked on the scoreboard.
If a game is in hand, coaches will slow down on offense to use up clock. I wouldn't say that's letting up but it could reduce the margin from what it could have been. MU was not competitive and was really bad on both ends of the floor.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 03:38:41 PMExplain how you see Shaka as having double and triple downed on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - a level in which you could never possibly dream of playing in, in your wildest dreams - yet have no problem absolutely trashing our players?
Do all freshman have to come in and make an immediate impact for them to not be granted a second season with the program? Do all sophomores never improve from their sophomore year to their next two?
I know he's been everyone's favorite whipping boy, from the biggest haters to the most optimistic, but the
process over multiple years that has led to Caedin Hamilton being our starting center is the prime example of Shaka doubling and tripling down on a guy he absolutely shouldn't have.
Shaka takes a project in Itejere that he likely shouldn't have. After two years, it doesn't work out. The smart move would be to replace him with a guy with experience, since all of a sudden there's a two year development hole with that roster spot. Instead, he takes a zero star recruit in Caedin Hamilton who we beat out a prep school for. I could also never dream of playing at the D1 level, but that didn't seem like a great idea.
So Caedin comes in and redshirts as planned. No biggie, we got Oso. Still, looking forward it's concerning that there doesn't seem to be a bridge between Oso and Caedin. What Itejere or his equivalent replacement would've been.
So Oso goes to the NBA. It's clear that Caedin isn't ready. Last year's squad clearly could've used said bridge, but Shaka didn't bother. Things fall apart.
This year, it's clear Caedin still isn't ready. Shaka again doesn't bother. We enter the season with Caedin as our starting center. At no point in his career has Caedin shown he's suited for this level, yet here we are.
Shaka has doubled and tripled down on Caedin. He never should've been recruited, yet three years later he's starting for this terrible squad. In his third year he continues to be a detriment to this squad, yet over and over again, Shaka has made the wrong decision regarding him.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 21, 2025, 07:08:31 PMI know he's been everyone's favorite whipping boy, from the biggest haters to the most optimistic, but the process over multiple years that has led to Caedin Hamilton being our starting center is the prime example of Shaka doubling and tripling down on a guy he absolutely shouldn't have.
Shaka takes a project in Itejere that he likely shouldn't have. After two years, it doesn't work out. The smart move would be to replace him with a guy with experience, since all of a sudden there's a two year development hole with that roster spot. Instead, he takes a zero star recruit in Caedin Hamilton who we beat out a prep school for. I could also never dream of playing at the D1 level, but that didn't seem like a great idea.
So Caedin comes in and redshirts as planned. No biggie, we got Oso. Still, looking forward it's concerning that there doesn't seem to be a bridge between Oso and Caedin. What Itejere or his equivalent replacement would've been.
So Oso goes to the NBA. It's clear that Caedin isn't ready. Last year's squad clearly could've used said bridge, but Shaka didn't bother. Things fall apart.
This year, it's clear Caedin still isn't ready. Shaka again doesn't bother. We enter the season with Caedin as our starting center. At no point in his career has Caedin shown he's suited for this level, yet here we are.
Shaka has doubled and tripled down on Caedin. He never should've been recruited, yet three years later he's starting for this terrible squad. In his third year he continues to be a detriment to this squad, yet over and over again, Shaka has made the wrong decision regarding him.
You summed it up better than I could, thanks SOS.
SOS nailed it.
This isn't bashing Caedin. I don't doubt he's tried/trying his best and has put in all the work. But reality is, the vast majority of human beings aren't capable of playing high-major college basketball, no matter how hard they try. Caedin, through no fault of his own, sure seems to be among that vast majority.
That Shaka and staff either can't see that or can see it, but have messed up the roster so badly they have to play him anyhow, is what deserves the criticism here, not Caedin.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 03:38:41 PMa level in which you could never possibly dream of playing in, in your wildest dreams - yet have no problem absolutely trashing our players?
"Huh?" Derrick Wilson, probably.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 21, 2025, 07:08:31 PMI know he's been everyone's favorite whipping boy, from the biggest haters to the most optimistic, but the process over multiple years that has led to Caedin Hamilton being our starting center is the prime example of Shaka doubling and tripling down on a guy he absolutely shouldn't have.
Shaka takes a project in Itejere that he likely shouldn't have. After two years, it doesn't work out. The smart move would be to replace him with a guy with experience, since all of a sudden there's a two year development hole with that roster spot. Instead, he takes a zero star recruit in Caedin Hamilton who we beat out a prep school for. I could also never dream of playing at the D1 level, but that didn't seem like a great idea.
So Caedin comes in and redshirts as planned. No biggie, we got Oso. Still, looking forward it's concerning that there doesn't seem to be a bridge between Oso and Caedin. What Itejere or his equivalent replacement would've been.
So Oso goes to the NBA. It's clear that Caedin isn't ready. Last year's squad clearly could've used said bridge, but Shaka didn't bother. Things fall apart.
This year, it's clear Caedin still isn't ready. Shaka again doesn't bother. We enter the season with Caedin as our starting center. At no point in his career has Caedin shown he's suited for this level, yet here we are.
Shaka has doubled and tripled down on Caedin. He never should've been recruited, yet three years later he's starting for this terrible squad. In his third year he continues to be a detriment to this squad, yet over and over again, Shaka has made the wrong decision regarding him.
Itejere was a Top 100 recruit, who's rating obviously was too high. It's entirely possible Shaka tried to recruit a higher level big the year Caedin was recruited, and he didn't land one - I don't recall. MU hasn't had a long history of talented big men lining up to play here. Additionally, as I recall, we were involved with Owen Freeman this past portal season, but he chose Creighton.
Caedin was known to be a 5 year project. I don't see it as doubling down/tripling down by staying the course on him. He's just at the mid-point of his development at MU. I think he is better than what he has shown. He's pressing a ton and sped up, trying to prove he belongs and is a mess mentally. Think the whole team is pressing for that matter.
I just find ripping the crap out of Shaka for one bad year incredibly ignorant and classless considering he brought a better resume to the job than any MU hire in history - and massively exceeded expectations in Years 1-3, met expectations in Year 4.
I understand this season has been brutal, we've gotten blown out repeatedly. Yet it was the stress test of RGV, and I feel the players have largely been the ones who haven't performed - and from that underperformance Shaka has gotten into the spin cycle grasping for straws to try to improve the performance.
There's nothing Shaka can do during the season - other than do what he's done - trying to tinker with lineups. To jump to the conclusion that he won't do anything different this off season is pure speculation at best.
What the hell is the point of seeking out a "5 year project". Seems like massive amounts of resources and time for very little to no pay off.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 21, 2025, 09:08:10 PM"Huh?" Derrick Wilson, probably.
Derrick Wilson had no business playing D-1 basketball. No guard in D-1 should be so disrespected that defenders play off 5 feet. That aside, my criticism of him was almost all directed at Buzz and Wojo, and those Scoopers who tried to suggest he was deserving of 30+ minutes per game.
Caedin Hamilton is more worthy of a D-1 scholarship than was Derrick Wilson. Tre Norman's numbers are better than Derrick's FFS. Imagine if Shaka started playing Tre 30 minutes night in night out....Scoop would implode.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 21, 2025, 09:36:50 PMWhat the hell is the point of seeking out a "5 year project". Seems like massive amounts of resources and time for very little to no pay off.
Probably years of seeing Wisconsin have success doing it for about 25 years..
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:32:11 PMCaedin was known to be a 5 year project. I don't see it as doubling down/tripling down by staying the course on him. He's just at the mid-point of his development at MU. I think he is better than what he has shown. He's pressing a ton and sped up, trying to prove he belongs and is a mess mentally. Think the whole team is pressing for that matter.
I just find ripping the crap out of Shaka for one bad year incredibly ignorant and classless considering he brought a better resume to the job than any MU hire in history - and massively exceeded expectations in Years 1-3, met expectations in Year 4.
I understand this season has been brutal, we've gotten blown out repeatedly. Yet it was the stress test of RGV, and I feel the players have largely been the ones who haven't performed - and from that underperformance Shaka has gotten into the spin cycle grasping for straws to try to improve the performance.
There's nothing Shaka can do during the season - other than do what he's done - trying to tinker with lineups. To jump to the conclusion that he won't do anything different this off season is pure speculation at best.
Like Pakuni said, I don't blame Caedin. He seems like a decent kid, great teammate, etc. I just don't think he's very good at basketball, and has never really shown himself capable. My larger point though, is why are we at a place where he's starting? The idea that Shaka could be the one high major coach who could eschew the portal was ludicrous. Everyone whiffs on high school recruits; I don't want Marquette's coach to be the only one who drags his bat back to the dugout while everyone else takes another crack at it.
I like Shaka, but my larger point was that there were choices made over multiple years that led us here. This isn't a fluke. He made some mistakes (like all coaches do), and yet Tre Norman is still getting an NIL check. And it's been repeated ad nauseam, but those teams in year 1-3 had transfers.
I'm not writing him off, and I do think it's possible that he rights the ship. I think his recruiting has improved. But he's gonna need to eat some crow and not run these third years back next year.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:46:36 PMProbably years of seeing Wisconsin have success doing it for about 25 years..
Nope, nope, nope.
Made this same point in another thread. Bo Ryan's "projects" were by and large four-star, top 100 recruits, not zero stars he was snaring away from prep schools and low majors.
Copy/pasting from the other thread ...
Bo Ryan's developmental bigs:
Brian Butch, 5-star, McDonald's AA, RSCI #7
Greg Steinsma, 4-star, RSCI #37
Jon Leuer, 4-star, RSCI #87
JP Gavinski, 4-star, #92 on 247 Composite
Jared Berggren, RSCI #100, 4-star
Evan Anderson, RSCI #95, 4-star
Frank Kaminsky, 3-star, 247
Ethan Happ, 3-star, 247 #150
All of these "developmental" guys, with the exception of Kaminsky and Happ, were top 100 players recruited by high-major programs. Kaminsky had offers from other P5 programs and in Happ's case, he grew three inches from high school to college, so he was seen coming out as a kind of unathletic 3/4 who developed into a crafty/skilled post player when he got tall.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:32:11 PMI think he is better than what he has shown.
When people show you what they are, believe them. He is what he is, and that's not good.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:32:11 PMItejere was a Top 100 recruit, who's rating obviously was too high.
Itejere didn't sniff the top 100 rankings
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:32:11 PMItejere was a Top 100 recruit
No he was not. 247's internal had him as the #39 power forward without an exact national ranking. Their composite ranked him #201. On3/Rivals had him #557. By no stretch was he a top-100 player out of high school.
Orange - Right . The fact that Shaka is the only coach that won't use the portal IS absolutely ludicrous! I mean ... he apparently thinks he's smarter than
( or holier and more " virtuous " ) every other D1 coach.
I don't know which is worse, that or the fact that he thought this roster of mostly Horizon League players could compete in the BE ?
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 22, 2025, 07:50:13 AMOrange - Right . The fact that Shaka is the only coach that won't use the portal IS absolutely ludicrous! I mean ... he apparently thinks he's smarter than
( or holier and more " virtuous " ) every other D1 coach.
I don't know which is worse, that or the fact that he thought this roster of mostly Horizon League players could compete in the BE ?
Yes we know. We're all aware Shaka didn't use the portal.
We all knew this last season, and this summer. When 300 articles about it came out. "The only school to not have a transfer"
Scoop was loving the press then. Rgv was huge. Now that it's clear it completely backfired, yall come out of the woodwork and scream.
Nothing to be done until the portal opens back up.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:32:11 PMItejere was a Top 100 recruit, who's rating obviously was too high.
#FakeNews #Lies
whose vs. who's
Yikes. What a way to start off a long post.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:46:00 PMDerrick Wilson had no business playing D-1 basketball. No guard in D-1 should be so disrespected that defenders play off 5 feet. That aside, my criticism of him was almost all directed at Buzz and Wojo, and those Scoopers who tried to suggest he was deserving of 30+ minutes per game.
Caedin Hamilton is more worthy of a D-1 scholarship than was Derrick Wilson. Tre Norman's numbers are better than Derrick's FFS. Imagine if Shaka started playing Tre 30 minutes night in night out....Scoop would implode.
This is a stupid argument, but Wilson was a serviceable PG. He could defend the position very well, and could run the offense. He's still playing professionally in Europe today.
Right now, Hamilton cannot guard the 5-position, and can't make layups. He is not a serviceable C. Maybe he still develops into one, but at the equivalent point of their careers Wilson was of more value to MU than Hamilton is.
Quote from: forgetful on December 22, 2025, 08:49:40 AMThis is a stupid argument, but Wilson was a serviceable PG. He could defend the position very well, and could run the offense. He's still playing professionally in Europe today.
Right now, Hamilton cannot guard the 5-position, and can't make layups. He is not a serviceable C. Maybe he still develops into one, but at the equivalent point of their careers Wilson was of more value to MU than Hamilton is.
Derrick did excel at running our 4 on 5 offense with him at the helm - I'll give you that. He never faced any ball pressure, wasn't able to force double teams via penetration - how teams defended us with him and how he "could run the offense" was the most disrespectful thing I've seen in 45 years of watching basketball.
That aside, Caedin hasn't been good. At all. But teams do defend him. So, maybe they are equivalent - at least Shaka isn't running Caedin for 30-33/game!
You're arguing Derrick Wilson AGAIN more than 10 years after he left the program & you can't see that your own unhealthy obsession with Wojo/Derrick is the exact same thing as the argument you're making against onepost?
Jesus F Christ, man, wake the hell up and realize you're yelling at a mirror.
Senior year Derrick Wilson would be the second best player on this years team.
And is shaka giving DO minutes so we have two heinous players playing minutes now?
Quote from: jfp61 on December 22, 2025, 09:50:37 AMSenior year Derrick Wilson would be the second best player on this years team.
And is shaka giving DO minutes so we have two heinous players playing minutes now?
Maybe by eye test, but definitely not by metrics. Senior year Wilson is 7th best on this years squad if you are looking at Torvik PRPG!
1. Chase - 2.9
2. Nigel - 1.9
3. Adrien - 1.5
4. Parham - 1.1
5. Gold - 1.0
6. Sean Jones - 1.0
7. Wilson - .9
I'd sure take Derrick Wilson instead of Sean or Tre as the backup PG if given the choice.
Quote from: MUbiz on December 22, 2025, 10:08:04 AMTorvik PRPG!
You allergic to defense?
Are you one of those who thinks Markus Howard is the best player ever? Was 2018 Andrew Rowsey your favorite player ever?
This year's team will have single digit wins. No one on this year's team is gonna have a positive adjusted team efficency rating at this rate.
In his worst year, on wojo's worst team, Wilson's was 11.8.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 22, 2025, 10:47:21 AMYou allergic to defense?
Are you one of those who thinks Markus Howard is the best player ever? Was 2018 Andrew Rowsey your favorite player ever?
This year's team will have single digit wins. No one on this year's team is gonna have a positive adjusted team efficency rating at this rate.
In his worst year, on wojo's worst team, Wilson's was 11.8.
Quite the assumptions here. I am looking at the entire player - hence why I used points over replacement, not just cherry picking certain offensive or defensive stats.
For the record, I am in the fire Shaka this offseason camp if he continues to go RGV and not tell the deadweight they need to go and bring in xfers. But thinking Wilson would be one of the best players on this team, this year is just wrong imho. Wilson was mid at best and he would fit in right in the middle of low performers on this current squad.
Magic Dawson would have this team at 12-1 (loss to Radford)
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:46:00 PMCaedin Hamilton is more worthy of a D-1 scholarship than was Derrick Wilson.
No
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 21, 2025, 09:46:00 PMTre Norman's numbers are better than Derrick's FFS.
They're not.
Quote from: MUbiz on December 22, 2025, 10:56:16 AMQuite the assumptions here. I am looking at the entire player - hence why I used points over replacement, not just cherry picking certain offensive or defensive stats.
For the record, I am in the fire Shaka this offseason camp if he continues to go RGV and not tell the deadweight they need to go and bring in xfers. But thinking Wilson would be one of the best players on this team, this year is just wrong imho. Wilson was mid at best and he would fit in right in the middle of low performers on this current squad.
PRPG! is overwhelmingly an offensive stat. Using individual offensive rating and usage. So defensive first players are just undervalued to them.
And this years team could use alot of mid right now. Guys like Sean, Tre, Caedin, and Damarius are actively bad.
This year's team is bad, but the thought that Derrick Wilson could save us to some degree (e.g., second best player) is a little bit nutzo.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 22, 2025, 11:23:23 AMThis year's team is bad, but the thought that Derrick Wilson could save us to some degree (e.g., second best player) is a little bit nutzo.
This team just so bad that it is breaking my brain.
Like lets get weird with this...
Derrick Wilson vs Sean Jones
Symir Torrence vs Tre Norman
Steven Taylor vs Caedin Hamilton
Joe Fulce vs Zaide Lowery
Jake Thomas vs Damarius Owens
Would John Dawson help or hurt this roster?
If Zaide ends up being gone for good, they better be playing Michael Phillips a bunch. See if he's got anything in the tank to build on.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 22, 2025, 11:55:50 AMThis team just so bad that it is breaking my brain.
Like lets get weird with this...
Derrick Wilson vs Sean Jones
Symir Torrence vs Tre Norman
Steven Taylor vs Caedin Hamilton
Joe Fulce vs Zaide Lowery
Jake Thomas vs Damarius Owens
Would John Dawson help or hurt this roster?
Is that a serious question. How many of these guys have the nickname "magic"? I'll hang up and listen
Yet another thread to ...
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This thread proves that Derrick Wilson is a memorable Marquette player.
If was a bit better or the roster was different his senior year then no one would remember him.
Wilson was a very good teammate, student-athlete and representative of Marquette University.
The two questions on everyone's minds:
1. Did Derrick Wilson travel with the team?
2. Is he vaxxed?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 22, 2025, 06:27:11 PMThe two questions on everyone's minds:
1. Did Derrick Wilson travel with the team?
2. Is he vaxxed?
Vaccines caused his lack of shooting range.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 22, 2025, 06:27:11 PMThe two questions on everyone's minds:
1. Did Derrick Wilson travel with the team?
2. Is he vaxxed?
We know Liam McMorrow sure was!
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 22, 2025, 10:40:52 AMI'd sure take Derrick Wilson instead of Sean or Tre as the backup PG if given the choice.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 22, 2025, 09:50:37 AMSenior year Derrick Wilson would be the second best player on this years team.
And is shaka giving DO minutes so we have two heinous players playing minutes now?
Thanks for the laughs. Proof positive some Scoopers have gone off the rails.
These posts are almost as silly as getting mad about hot dogs not being served at a free open scrimmage. And almost as dumb as thinking Shaka's seat should be warm for having 1 down year out of 5, during a tenure in which the first 4 seasons included Big East regular season and conference championship, two 2 seeds, a Sweet 16, and 4 out of 4 making the NCAA.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 22, 2025, 10:36:55 PMThanks for the laughs. Proof positive some Scoopers have gone off the rails.
These posts are almost as silly as getting mad about hot dogs not being served at a free open scrimmage. And almost as dumb as thinking Shaka's seat should be warm for having 1 down year out of 5, during a tenure in which the first 4 seasons included Big East regular season and conference championship, two 2 seeds, a Sweet 16, and 4 out of 4 making the NCAA.
You mean the 4 seasons where he went 3-4 in the NCAA (2-5 ATS - where we covered against the 15 seeds (Yay!) - and total of -60 ATS over those 7 games?) despite those two 2 seeds, never beating a higher seed (and in fact never beating better than a 10 seed) and exiting to a lower seed each year except the 8/9 UNC?
Certainly being in the tourney is better than not being in the tourney (boy don't we feel that this year) - but let's not pretend Shaka brought us dazzling March success. Making a FF puts serious money in the bank. Making an unexpectedly deep run puts serious money in the bank. Washing out when it matters most after a good regular season is, at best, a wash.
The best we could say was that Shaka had us on a good trajectory
despite the disappointing tourney results - but now it looks like we peaked on January 3rd, 2025. Where the nadir is who knows but Shaka is certainly plumbing the depths looking. To get us back on trajectory would mean back in the T-25 and in the protected seed conversation late in the year. Upward trajectory would be a run to and past the S16. That gonna happen next year? The year after? 5 years to judge?
If Marquette simply doesn't have the resources to compete in this era then that absolutely sucks but so be it - but I want a coach that is at least willing to try with all the resources at their disposal. It would be great if Shaka is that guy because there is so much else to like about him, but if he's not going to do what it takes to put us in the best position to win each season, then see ya.
Quote from: 1SE on December 23, 2025, 02:47:28 AMYou mean the 4 seasons where he went 3-4 in the NCAA (2-5 ATS - where we covered against the 15 seeds (Yay!) - and total of -60 ATS over those 7 games?) despite those two 2 seeds, never beating a higher seed (and in fact never beating better than a 10 seed) and exiting to a lower seed each year except the 8/9 UNC?
Certainly being in the tourney is better than not being in the tourney (boy don't we feel that this year) - but let's not pretend Shaka brought us dazzling March success. Making a FF puts serious money in the bank. Making an unexpectedly deep run puts serious money in the bank. Washing out when it matters most after a good regular season is, at best, a wash.
The best we could say was that Shaka had us on a good trajectory despite the disappointing tourney results - but now it looks like we peaked on January 3rd, 2025. Where the nadir is who knows but Shaka is certainly plumbing the depths looking. To get us back on trajectory would mean back in the T-25 and in the protected seed conversation late in the year. Upward trajectory would be a run to and past the S16. That gonna happen next year? The year after? 5 years to judge?
If Marquette simply doesn't have the resources to compete in this era then that absolutely sucks but so be it - but I want a coach that is at least willing to try with all the resources at their disposal. It would be great if Shaka is that guy because there is so much else to like about him, but if he's not going to do what it takes to put us in the best position to win each season, then see ya.
When we won the Big East regular season and Tournament title and got our first NCAA Tournament win in over a decade our season was "a wash at best?" When we made a Sweet 16 our season was "a wash at best" because of seeds and Vegas spreads? The reward for being awesome in the regular season is playing worse teams earlier in the Tournament. Trying to discredit seasons because of a single result is crazy, but MU fans will be MU fans.
I genuinely wonder how Marquette fans get this attitude that we are above Sweet Sixteens and can turn our nose up on those. We have 17 Sweet Sixteen appearances in the history of the program. 11 of those came before 1980. We are not the program that a decent amount of Scoopers think we are.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 22, 2025, 06:27:11 PMThe two questions on everyone's minds:
1. Did Derrick Wilson travel with the team?
2. Is he vaxxed?
he shoots...he scores!!
Quote from: 1SE on December 23, 2025, 02:47:28 AMYou mean the 4 seasons where he went 3-4 in the NCAA (2-5 ATS - where we covered against the 15 seeds (Yay!) - and total of -60 ATS over those 7 games?) despite those two 2 seeds, never beating a higher seed (and in fact never beating better than a 10 seed) and exiting to a lower seed each year except the 8/9 UNC?
Certainly being in the tourney is better than not being in the tourney (boy don't we feel that this year) - but let's not pretend Shaka brought us dazzling March success. Making a FF puts serious money in the bank. Making an unexpectedly deep run puts serious money in the bank. Washing out when it matters most after a good regular season is, at best, a wash.
The best we could say was that Shaka had us on a good trajectory despite the disappointing tourney results - but now it looks like we peaked on January 3rd, 2025. Where the nadir is who knows but Shaka is certainly plumbing the depths looking. To get us back on trajectory would mean back in the T-25 and in the protected seed conversation late in the year. Upward trajectory would be a run to and past the S16. That gonna happen next year? The year after? 5 years to judge?
If Marquette simply doesn't have the resources to compete in this era then that absolutely sucks but so be it - but I want a coach that is at least willing to try with all the resources at their disposal. It would be great if Shaka is that guy because there is so much else to like about him, but if he's not going to do what it takes to put us in the best position to win each season, then see ya.
...100%!! But the birds gonna chirp.
Quote from: 1SE on December 23, 2025, 02:47:28 AMYou mean the 4 seasons where he went 3-4 in the NCAA (2-5 ATS - where we covered against the 15 seeds (Yay!) - and total of -60 ATS over those 7 games?) despite those two 2 seeds, never beating a higher seed (and in fact never beating better than a 10 seed) and exiting to a lower seed each year except the 8/9 UNC?
Certainly being in the tourney is better than not being in the tourney (boy don't we feel that this year) - but let's not pretend Shaka brought us dazzling March success. Making a FF puts serious money in the bank. Making an unexpectedly deep run puts serious money in the bank. Washing out when it matters most after a good regular season is, at best, a wash.
The best we could say was that Shaka had us on a good trajectory despite the disappointing tourney results - but now it looks like we peaked on January 3rd, 2025. Where the nadir is who knows but Shaka is certainly plumbing the depths looking. To get us back on trajectory would mean back in the T-25 and in the protected seed conversation late in the year. Upward trajectory would be a run to and past the S16. That gonna happen next year? The year after? 5 years to judge?
If Marquette simply doesn't have the resources to compete in this era then that absolutely sucks but so be it - but I want a coach that is at least willing to try with all the resources at their disposal. It would be great if Shaka is that guy because there is so much else to like about him, but if he's not going to do what it takes to put us in the best position to win each season, then see ya.
This logic equates to 2011 > 2023 or at best a wash. I'm sorry but that's flat out absurd.
It also assumes upward trajectory is linear, it's not. I am pissed about this year and Shaka deserves all the heat he's getting, I'm more scared/pissed about next (Barring major pivots). But nobody in their right mind reads upward trajectory and says "well next season we have to make it past that round or else it's a downward trajectory". Anyone who has bought a stock at the right time or panicked and sold before it rebounded knows that.
Also to wades point let's be honest about where we are as a program. We can expect to be a tournament team almost every year but in my 34yrs on this earth Marquette has 6 second weekend runs... only 2 of those were past the sweet 16. In fact, we can extend that to anyone who was born since Raymond's made the S16 in 79 meaning if you're born in mid April 1977 or later we as a program have advanced past the S16 twice. I don't care if we beat an NCCAA team to get there as a 1seed, I'll take it and won't minimize it.
Quote from: 1SE on December 23, 2025, 02:47:28 AMIf Marquette simply doesn't have the resources to compete in this era then that absolutely sucks but so be it - but I want a coach that is at least willing to try with all the resources at their disposal. It would be great if Shaka is that guy because there is so much else to like about him, but if he's not going to do what it takes to put us in the best position to win each season, then see ya.
If Marquette doesn't have the resources to complete then they are absolute fools to do a multi-million dollar buyout a serviceable coach. The facts and actions of MU don't support the notion MU is one of the "have nots". MU acts and spends money like a top 40 program.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 23, 2025, 09:50:59 AMIf Marquette doesn't have the resources to complete then they are absolute fools to do a multi-million dollar buyout a serviceable coach. The facts and actions of MU don't support the notion MU is one of the "have nots". MU acts and spends money like a top 40 program.
Maybe that is why we have the team we have this year. We spent money like a top 40 program before the NIL/Revenue sharing era. Not sure if we'll be in the top 40 going forward, but if Seton Hall can put a competitive team with supposedly less resources than we have on the court there is no reason to lose hope; unless the Administration does not want to spend that kind of money anymore. Again, it will be an interesting off season.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 23, 2025, 10:29:33 AMMaybe that is why we have the team we have this year. We spent money like a top 40 program before the NIL/Revenue sharing era. Not sure if we'll be in the top 40 going forward, but if Seton Hall can put a competitive team with supposedly less resources than we have on the court there is no reason to lose hope; unless the Administration does not want to spend that kind of money anymore. Again, it will be an interesting off season.
The administration aren't the ones spending the money? I've questioned it too but by all accounts it sounds like we have whatever money available that we need to build a roster. It even sounds like there is more available that we just don't need to use because the roster doesn't warrant it.
We are no different than any other Big East school in regards to NIL and likely in the top half of the league when we want to be or need to be.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2025, 07:05:36 AMWhen we won the Big East regular season and Tournament title and got our first NCAA Tournament win in over a decade our season was "a wash at best?" When we made a Sweet 16 our season was "a wash at best" because of seeds and Vegas spreads? The reward for being awesome in the regular season is playing worse teams earlier in the Tournament. Trying to discredit seasons because of a single result is crazy, but MU fans will be MU fans.
I genuinely wonder how Marquette fans get this attitude that we are above Sweet Sixteens and can turn our nose up on those. We have 17 Sweet Sixteen appearances in the history of the program. 11 of those came before 1980. We are not the program that a decent amount of Scoopers think we are.
Nailed it. 1SE is a drama king, and many other Scoopers proving to be so as well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 23, 2025, 10:32:13 AMThe administration aren't the ones spending the money? I've questioned it too but by all accounts it sounds like we have whatever money available that we need to build a roster. It even sounds like there is more available that we just don't need to use because the roster doesn't warrant it.
We are no different than any other Big East school in regards to NIL and likely in the top half of the league when we want to be or need to be.
Of course this roster does not warrant any extra money and if it is the coaching staff doing the spending, I hope they realize that they certainly overpaid for this roster.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2025, 07:05:36 AMWhen we won the Big East regular season and Tournament title and got our first NCAA Tournament win in over a decade our season was "a wash at best?" When we made a Sweet 16 our season was "a wash at best" because of seeds and Vegas spreads? The reward for being awesome in the regular season is playing worse teams earlier in the Tournament. Trying to discredit seasons because of a single result is crazy, but MU fans will be MU fans.
I genuinely wonder how Marquette fans get this attitude that we are above Sweet Sixteens and can turn our nose up on those. We have 17 Sweet Sixteen appearances in the history of the program. 11 of those came before 1980. We are not the program that a decent amount of Scoopers think we are.
In all fairness we had to win only one game to get into the S16 before 1980.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 23, 2025, 10:29:33 AMMaybe that is why we have the team we have this year. We spent money like a top 40 program before the NIL/Revenue sharing era. Not sure if we'll be in the top 40 going forward, but if Seton Hall can put a competitive team with supposedly less resources than we have on the court there is no reason to lose hope; unless the Administration does not want to spend that kind of money anymore. Again, it will be an interesting off season.
I always feared we couldn't compete in this new era of college athletics. But...
I can promise you, we're in the T40. Between the initial investment, the proposed practice facility, and our NIL... we are in the T40. The only reason we aren't in the T40, would be a result of the coach not using all the resources available to him, which is the rumor atm.
Finances aren't a problem, when the boosters are in unison. I do believe, if there ever is a situation where Shaka were to leave, and Marquette didn't have a buyout to pay... you'd be surprised at who we'd call, and the resources that'd be afforded to the new coach.
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 11:27:00 AM... you'd be surprised at who we'd call, and the resources that'd be afforded to the new coach.
It's Billy Donovan isn't it....I mean you have to, right?
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 23, 2025, 11:41:19 AMIt's Billy Donovan isn't it....I mean you have to, right?
I'm not going to name names. As I find it pointless to spend the next 3 months arguing over who would take the job, and who wouldn't, we can't afford his, yes we can, etc.
What I will say. Is we'd be a lot of coaches 1st choice, should it come open. And there's a chance some coaches you wouldn't expect to take the call, would entertain the idea.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 23, 2025, 11:41:19 AMIt's Billy Donovan isn't it....I mean you have to, right?
And Shaka would stay on as his assistant.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 23, 2025, 11:41:19 AMIt's Billy Donovan isn't it....I mean you have to, right?
This is awesome.
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 11:44:13 AMI'm not going to name names. As I find it pointless to spend the next 3 months arguing over who would take the job, and who wouldn't, we can't afford his, yes we can, etc.
What I will say. Is we'd be a lot of coaches 1st choice, should it come open. And there's a chance some coaches you wouldn't expect to take the call, would entertain the idea.
Like Porter Moser?
Moser would take the Marquette job tomorrow, but he would be far down the list for us. And we wont have to go that far down the list either.
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 11:27:00 AM.... you'd be surprised at who we'd call, and the resources that'd be afforded to the new coach.
I've heard this before. MU has never hired a top head coach from another program who was at the peak of his game. Shaka is the closest and he was on some thin ice at UT.
I do not expect MU to can Shaka at the end of the season, but I'm surprised at those who simply call this a "down" year. Missing the NCAAs would be a down year. Finishing last in the BE and playing the way MU is playing is a disaster. The team is clueless on both ends of the floor. If MU goes winless in the BE, I'd suspect Shaka's job security would be shaky at best.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 23, 2025, 12:29:35 PMI've heard this before. MU has never hired a top head coach from another program who was at the peak of his game. Shaka is the closest and he was on some thin ice at UT.
Times have changed. I'm not going to use names. But there are boosters who are willing, and very capable of making things happen.
We had to pay Wojo to leave, something around $14m. So your options were more limited, than what they'd be should Shaka leave on his own accord.
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 12:36:59 PMWe had to pay Wojo to leave, something around $14m.
#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 23, 2025, 12:43:10 PM#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 23, 2025, 12:43:10 PM#FakeNews #Lies
Marquette University paid former head coach Steve Wojciechowski over $10 million in total buyout payments following his firing in March 2021.
Key details regarding the buyout include:
Total Amount: The payments made to Wojciechowski to not coach the team totaled over $10 million in the 2022 and 2023 fiscal years.
Payment Breakdown: In 2023 alone, two years after his firing, the school paid him $4.6 million.
Context: While the initial reported buyout figure was around $6 million in 2021, subsequent tax filings revealed the total amount exceeded $10 million.
Total Earnings: Over his nine years associated with the school, including salary and buyouts, he received over $25 million.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 23, 2025, 12:36:34 PMI do not expect MU to can Shaka at the end of the season, but I'm surprised at those who simply call this a "down" year. Missing the NCAAs would be a down year. Finishing last in the BE and playing the way MU is playing is a disaster. The team is clueless on both ends of the floor. If MU goes winless in the BE, I'd suspect Shaka's job security would be shaky at best.
I fully expected a re-building year, hopeful the team could get to bubble status. I'd be a slightly disappointed, but still a content fan if that were transpiring.
This year is far worse. Calling it a "down year" is like wondering why the smoke detector is going off when flames are shooting out of the windows.
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 12:46:14 PMMarquette University paid former head coach Steve Wojciechowski over $10 million in total buyout payments following his firing in March 2021.
Key details regarding the buyout include:
Total Amount: The payments made to Wojciechowski to not coach the team totaled over $10 million in the 2022 and 2023 fiscal years.
Payment Breakdown: In 2023 alone, two years after his firing, the school paid him $4.6 million.
Context: While the initial reported buyout figure was around $6 million in 2021, subsequent tax filings revealed the total amount exceeded $10 million.
Total Earnings: Over his nine years associated with the school, including salary and buyouts, he received over $25 million.
Where's the part where you try to argue what you said ("around $14m") is anywhere close to correct? lol
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 23, 2025, 01:20:37 PMWhere's the part where you try to argue what you said ("around $14m") is anywhere close to correct? lol
The article says over $10m. I had heard the number was closer to $14m w/ someone more familiar with his contract structure.
Even if we take $10.3, that's till significant in trying to lure another coach. As you have to pay a buyout. Which is why we got Shaka, because Texas waived his buyout close so he could leave.
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 01:24:14 PMThe article says over $10m. I had heard the number was closer to $14m w/ someone more familiar with his contract structure.
Even if we take $10.3, that's till significant in trying to lure another coach. As you have to pay a buyout. Which is why we got Shaka, because Texas waived his buyout close so he could leave.
"Even if" it's $10.3M, saying around $14M is stupid and wrong. Don't know who your "source" who's "more familiar with" the contract, but we can see it's nowhere near $14M via a review of tax filings. You're just wrong, my guy.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 23, 2025, 01:07:03 PMI fully expected a re-building year, hopeful the team could get to bubble status. I'd be a slightly disappointed, but still a content fan if that were transpiring.
This year is far worse. Calling it a "down year" is like wondering why the smoke detector is going off when flames are shooting out of the windows.
I agree with this. 2 weeks ago I was in the 'down year' camp, but this is a full fledged disaster. Anyone still framing this as a 'down year' is being dishonest.
If this year continues on the same trajectory, it will be discussed and referenced for decades in MU circles, right? None of Wojo's years will ever be remembered as this historic.
But, if Shaka wants to continue coaching, and coaching at MU, and is willing to reengage 100%, I want him back even with the 20+ loses this year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 23, 2025, 01:27:06 PM"Even if" it's $10.3M, saying around $14M is stupid and wrong. Don't know who your "source" who's "more familiar with" the contract, but we can see it's nowhere near $14M via a review of tax filings. You're just wrong, my guy.
I'm sorry. I was told his contract was fully guaranteed, and we had to pay other staff members, which brought the number closer to 14m.
Haynes was hired at $420k just for clarity sake.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2025, 07:05:36 AMWhen we won the Big East regular season and Tournament title and got our first NCAA Tournament win in over a decade our season was "a wash at best?" When we made a Sweet 16 our season was "a wash at best" because of seeds and Vegas spreads? The reward for being awesome in the regular season is playing worse teams earlier in the Tournament. Trying to discredit seasons because of a single result is crazy, but MU fans will be MU fans.
I genuinely wonder how Marquette fans get this attitude that we are above Sweet Sixteens and can turn our nose up on those. We have 17 Sweet Sixteen appearances in the history of the program. 11 of those came before 1980. We are not the program that a decent amount of Scoopers think we are.
Thanks for this
1SEs post is peak insanity
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 11:27:00 AMI always feared we couldn't compete in this new era of college athletics. But...
I can promise you, we're in the T40. Between the initial investment, the proposed practice facility, and our NIL... we are in the T40. The only reason we aren't in the T40, would be a result of the coach not using all the resources available to him, which is the rumor atm.
Finances aren't a problem, when the boosters are in unison. I do believe, if there ever is a situation where Shaka were to leave, and Marquette didn't have a buyout to pay... you'd be surprised at who we'd call, and the resources that'd be afforded to the new coach.
LOL
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 12:46:14 PMMarquette University paid former head coach Steve Wojciechowski over $10 million in total buyout payments following his firing in March 2021.
Key details regarding the buyout include:
Total Amount: The payments made to Wojciechowski to not coach the team totaled over $10 million in the 2022 and 2023 fiscal years.
Payment Breakdown: In 2023 alone, two years after his firing, the school paid him $4.6 million.
Context: While the initial reported buyout figure was around $6 million in 2021, subsequent tax filings revealed the total amount exceeded $10 million.
Total Earnings: Over his nine years associated with the school, including salary and buyouts, he received over $25 million.
LOL alternative facts
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 01:24:14 PMThe article says over $10m. I had heard the number was closer to $14m w/ someone more familiar with his contract structure.
Even if we take $10.3, that's till significant in trying to lure another coach. As you have to pay a buyout. Which is why we got Shaka, because Texas waived his buyout close so he could leave.
MU in reality didn't pay
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 23, 2025, 12:36:34 PMI do not expect MU to can Shaka at the end of the season, but I'm surprised at those who simply call this a "down" year. Missing the NCAAs would be a down year. Finishing last in the BE and playing the way MU is playing is a disaster. The team is clueless on both ends of the floor. If MU goes winless in the BE, I'd suspect Shaka's job security would be
DQuote from: Zog from Margo on December 23, 2025, 12:36:34 PMI do not expect MU to can Shaka at the end of the season, but I'm surprised at those who simply call this a "down" year. Missing the NCAAs would be a down year. Finishing last in the BE and playing the way MU is playing is a disaster. The team is clueless on both ends of the floor. If MU goes winless in the BE, I'd suspect Shaka's job security would be shaky at best.
Don't really matter if they finish .500 or .250. People gotta go. Gota bring in new guys. In the time of the portal you turn things around in a single off season
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2025, 07:05:36 AMWhen we won the Big East regular season and Tournament title and got our first NCAA Tournament win in over a decade our season was "a wash at best?" When we made a Sweet 16 our season was "a wash at best" because of seeds and Vegas spreads? The reward for being awesome in the regular season is playing worse teams earlier in the Tournament. Trying to discredit seasons because of a single result is crazy, but MU fans will be MU fans.
I genuinely wonder how Marquette fans get this attitude that we are above Sweet Sixteens and can turn our nose up on those. We have 17 Sweet Sixteen appearances in the history of the program. 11 of those came before 1980. We are not the program that a decent amount of Scoopers think we are.
Also, the spread against CU bounced between 3.5 and 4.5 on gameday. It was a cover for my ticket, and at worst it was a loss by 0.5. It's a terrible argument.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 23, 2025, 02:01:31 PMThanks for this
1SEs post is peak insanity
Hey you're cool with 3 total NCAAT wins from two 2 seeds (and three total NCAAT wins in 5 seasons) - more power to you.
Quote from: 1SE on December 23, 2025, 05:08:45 PMHey you're cool with 3 total NCAAT wins from two 2 seeds (and three total NCAAT wins in 5 seasons) - more power to you.
Like Galway said, if you're under 55 years old you are old enough to remember just two runs further than what Shaka has provided in your lifetime. Why you think this program is above a Sweet Sixteen loss is beyond me.
We all hoped for deeper runs. To scoff at that? Some fans need to check in on what program they're rooting for.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2025, 05:29:10 PMLike Galway said, if you're under 55 years old you are old enough to remember just two runs further than what Shaka has provided in your lifetime. Why you think this program is above a Sweet Sixteen loss is beyond me.
We all hoped for deeper runs. To scoff at that? Some fans need to check in on what program they're rooting for.
And one of the two quite literally took having arguably a top 25 basketball player the game has ever seen posting a triple double along the way.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2025, 05:29:10 PMLike Galway said, if you're under 55 years old you are old enough to remember just two runs further than what Shaka has provided in your lifetime. Why you think this program is above a Sweet Sixteen loss is beyond me.
We all hoped for deeper runs. To scoff at that? Some fans need to check in on what program they're rooting for.
A Sweet 16 run is a big success and should be celebrated.
One Sweet 16 run in five seasons shouldn't be celebrated as Marquette basketball at its zenith. It should be treated as an expectation.
And more importantly, Shaka Smart is not uniquely gifted with the ability to have success at Marquette, as at least one person here seems to believe. Kevin O'Neill had success here. Tom Crean had success here. Buzz Williams had success here. We're not some bottom feeder program rescued from the college basketball wasteland by a miracle worker named Shaka. We weren't Gonzaga before Dan Monson, or - perhaps a better comparison -Houston before Kelvin Sampson. There have been ups and downs over the past 40 years, but it's been a mostly successful, respected program since Dukiet.
Shaka's had a great run at Marquette, and that's earned him an opportunity to fix the mess he's made this season. But if he's unwilling or incapable of doing that, I have no doubt MU can find someone else to run a successful program. MU basketball is bigger than one coach.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 23, 2025, 06:15:55 PMA Sweet 16 run is a big success and should be celebrated.
One Sweet 16 run in five seasons shouldn't be celebrated as Marquette basketball at its zenith. It should be treated as an expectation.
And more importantly, Shaka Smart is not uniquely gifted with the ability to have success at Marquette, as at least one person here seems to believe. Kevin O'Neill had success here. Tom Crean had success here. Buzz Williams had success here. We're not some bottom feeder program rescued from the college basketball wasteland by a miracle worker named Shaka. We weren't Gonzaga before Dan Monson, or - perhaps a better comparison -Houston before Kelvin Sampson. There have been ups and downs over the past 40 years, but it's been a mostly successful, respected program since Dukiet.
Shaka's had a great run at Marquette, and that's earned him an opportunity to fix the mess he's made this season. But if he's unwilling or incapable of doing that, I have no doubt MU can find someone else to run a successful program. MU basketball is bigger than one coach.
The difference between Shaka and his predecessors is there were plenty of signs he wanted to make this his long-term and perhaps last stop.
I think most here would want that kind of stability, which does assume consistent success.
Obviously, the results this season are completely unacceptable and Shaka has some significant decisions to make once the season ends.
If either side moves on, if feels like we'll be back to being a perpetual stepping stone, where we either fire someone if they don't succeed or someone moves on in 5-6 years if they're successful.
That's why I'm more inclined to give Shaka a bit more leeway to clean up this mess.
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 01:38:37 PMI'm sorry. I was told his contract was fully guaranteed, and we had to pay other staff members, which brought the number closer to 14m.
Haynes was hired at $420k just for clarity sake.
You're a lying, ignorant piece of sh1t. FOH
Quote from: Pakuni on December 23, 2025, 06:15:55 PMA Sweet 16 run is a big success and should be celebrated.
One Sweet 16 run in five seasons shouldn't be celebrated as Marquette basketball at its zenith. It should be treated as an expectation.
And more importantly, Shaka Smart is not uniquely gifted with the ability to have success at Marquette, as at least one person here seems to believe. Kevin O'Neill had success here. Tom Crean had success here. Buzz Williams had success here. We're not some bottom feeder program rescued from the college basketball wasteland by a miracle worker named Shaka. We weren't Gonzaga before Dan Monson, or - perhaps a better comparison -Houston before Kelvin Sampson. There have been ups and downs over the past 40 years, but it's been a mostly successful, respected program since Dukiet.
Shaka's had a great run at Marquette, and that's earned him an opportunity to fix the mess he's made this season. But if he's unwilling or incapable of doing that, I have no doubt MU can find someone else to run a successful program. MU basketball is bigger than one coach.
Right, and between 2000-2001 and Wojo a "down year" was still a winning record and a NIT invite.
And I didn't realize/recall that Few has NEVER missed the tourney.
If this is our Nova 2011-2012 year then we can all have a good chuckle some day. But also Jay was coming off 7 (not 4) straight tourney appearances with 2 S16s, an EE and a FF. That's serious money in the bank.
As I and others have said so many years times, this isn't a run of the mill down year - which most expected and could have stomached. This is a historically bad year in which it looks like Shaka has forgotten how to 1) evaluate talent 2) put together winning rotations 3) be any sort of in-game coach. And as the season has progressed these issues have gotten worse rather than better.
Quote from: 1SE on December 23, 2025, 05:08:45 PMHey you're cool with 3 total NCAAT wins from two 2 seeds (and three total NCAAT wins in 5 seasons) - more power to you.
I'm cool with the totality of what shaka had accomplished prior to this season.
I don't consider only NCAA tourney success in whether I think about coach or program is succeeding
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 23, 2025, 08:42:55 PMThe difference between Shaka and his predecessors is there were plenty of signs he wanted to make this his long-term and perhaps last stop.
Are you suggesting Buzz was being disingenuous when he said he'd be at Marquette as long as they'd have him?
I don't know whether Shaka would or wouldn't make this his last stop. But I think the standards and expectations should be the same regardless.
Quote from: 1SE on December 24, 2025, 12:35:17 AMAs I and others have said so many years times, this isn't a run of the mill down year - which most expected and could have stomached. This is a historically bad year in which it looks like Shaka has forgotten how to 1) evaluate talent 2) put together winning rotations 3) be any sort of in-game coach. And as the season has progressed these issues have gotten worse rather than better.
This. From an optimism and hope standpoint, it is void. Fans have no confidence that the team can beat anyone, either due to the moribund roster, poor coaching or both. The worst part is that there is absolutely no light at the end of the tunnel. Fans can tough out a bad stretch if they believe things will improve. Things haven't improved; they worsened. The empty seats at FF are pretty clear proof.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 24, 2025, 07:09:09 AMAre you suggesting Buzz was being disingenuous when he said he'd be at Marquette as long as they'd have him?
I don't know whether Shaka would or wouldn't make this his last stop. But I think the standards and expectations should be the same regardless.
Yes, I think Buzz was disingenuous and his path since leaving Marquette sure seems to support that.
Yes, standards should remain high but not considering additional context and looking at things in a vacuum would be shortsighted.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 24, 2025, 08:20:13 AMThis. From an optimism and hope standpoint, it is void. Fans have no confidence that the team can beat anyone, either due to the moribund roster, poor coaching or both. The worst part is that there is absolutely no light at the end of the tunnel. Fans can tough out a bad stretch if they believe things will improve. Things haven't improved; they worsened. The empty seats at FF are pretty clear proof.
It's one thing if it were just talent evaluation and a moribund roster (word of the day calendar?), But it's how he got there - his insistence on eschewing the Portal, the Portal, and not just protecting, but further promoting the RVG brand. Any of us who have friends who are fans of Minnesota Football know how annoyed they were the the "Row The Boat" stuff Fleck promoted, but one wasn't overwhelmed with merchandise with the catch phrase when shopping for Golden Gophers gear like we are RVG. And "Row the Boat" didn't dictate his roster building strategy.
What is Shaka's top priority? Winning or being known as the coach who doesn't take transfers while building the RVG brand?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 24, 2025, 07:09:09 AMAre you suggesting Buzz was being disingenuous when he said he'd be at Marquette as long as they'd have him?
Is this sarcasm? Because i think everyone realized that pretty quickly lol.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 23, 2025, 06:15:55 PMA Sweet 16 run is a big success and should be celebrated.
One Sweet 16 run in five seasons shouldn't be celebrated as Marquette basketball at its zenith. It should be treated as an expectation.
Then Marquette has not been at its zenith since Raymonds. You're posting like we've had the tournament success Xavier had where they were in like every over sweet 16.
QuoteAnd more importantly, Shaka Smart is not uniquely gifted with the ability to have success at Marquette, as at least one person here seems to believe. Kevin O'Neill had success here. Tom Crean had success here. Buzz Williams had success here. We're not some bottom feeder program rescued from the college basketball wasteland by a miracle worker named Shaka. We weren't Gonzaga before Dan Monson, or - perhaps a better comparison -Houston before Kelvin Sampson. There have been ups and downs over the past 40 years, but it's been a mostly successful, respected program since Dukiet.
Shaka's had a great run at Marquette, and that's earned him an opportunity to fix the mess he's made this season. But if he's unwilling or incapable of doing that, I have no doubt MU can find someone else to run a successful program. MU basketball is bigger than one coach.
Yes this, shakas done great over 4 years, this is not a down year it's a bottom falling out year and pro Shaka need to call it what it is. Then due to his previous statements people are right to panic about the next year as well rather than expect a pivot. If he pivots and gets back to respectable program then as 1SE put it great we'll all laugh about it but if he doesn't then as you put it he's not uniquely gifted at having success here
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2025, 08:39:55 AMIs this sarcasm? Because i think everyone realized that pretty quickly lol.
Yes, obviously. Didn't think teal was needed for that one.
QuoteThen Marquette has not been at its zenith since Raymonds. You're posting like we've had the tournament success Xavier had where they were in like every over sweet 16.
If you're thinking making one Sweet 16 every five years is the absolute best Marquette can ever hope for, then we disagree. I mean, Buzz made three in three years, yet one in 5 years is peak Marquette? How does that make sense?
Marquette isn't Duke or Kansas, where anything less than an Elite 8 is a terrible season. But a goal of advancing to the second weekend just 20% of the time doesn't seem outlandish to me.
Why should Marquette should set its standards lower than Xavier? Or Creighton? Or Nova?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2025, 08:39:55 AMYes this, shakas done great over 4 years, this is not a down year it's a bottom falling out year and pro Shaka need to call it what it is. Then due to his previous statements people are right to panic about the next year as well rather than expect a pivot. If he pivots and gets back to respectable program then as 1SE put it great we'll all laugh about it but if he doesn't then as you put it he's not uniquely gifted at having success here
This exactly, Galway. It's four 20+ point losses; it's barely scraping by Valpo. It's brutal home losses to bad, undermanned teams like Maryland and Georgetown. It's going into games, seeing the spread and thinking, "Oh yeah, Purdue will cover that" while people in Mackey are asking "what the hell happened to Marquette?"
If we had lost close games to IU and Purdue and not melted down on our home court against Maryland or Georgetown, and had optimism for turning things around instead of wondering where the BE wins were going to come from, then that would be a "down" year. But this is a meltdown; we're a bad team and other fans and national media all recognize it.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 24, 2025, 08:49:49 AMYes, obviously. Didn't think teal was needed for that one.
If you're thinking making one Sweet 16 every five years is the absolute best Marquette can ever hope for, then we disagree. I mean, Buzz made three in three years, yet one in 5 years is peak Marquette? How does that make sense?
Marquette isn't Duke or Kansas, where anything less than an Elite 8 is a terrible season. But a goal of advancing to the second weekend just 20% of the time doesn't seem outlandish to me.
Why should Marquette should set its standards lower than Xavier? Or Creighton? Or Nova?
Well for starters Creighton has no history to suggest that should be their expectation, till a couple years ago they hadn't advanced in like 60yrs or something.
I think that's a reasonable goal to reach for and it's my hope and believe that Marquette can get there but as Wades and I both pointed out there's zero in our history that doesn't include AL to show that we should reasonably expect that as of now. If you're 55 you've seen MU advance 7 times
Let's look at some data cuts without AL to figure out why we should expect that level of success:
Since AL 7 S16 or higher in 53 tournaments, don't need to be a math wiz to see that that's not ideal.
But Majerus, Dukiet and the first couple O'Neil years were rough so let's go since 93 of 32 potential tournaments 6 S16 or higher, that's less than every 5 years.
Ok well Deane broke us and Crean needed to rebuild, so let's go since he got us back in 02 5 >S16 in 23 potential tournaments which while above 1 every 5yrs is rounded up to every 5yrs.
But let's step back and see the entire program since its first appearance, sans Al, that's 56 potential tournaments we've advanced in 9 of them...
Let's splice it into just Crean and buzz because that's the best stretch since AL. advanced 4x in 15 years. Your win not exactly a glowing example of us at our zenith.
Outside of those three buzz years (one of which id take 2023 100% of the time over), and Al, there's no point in 70 potential tournaments since our program first came on the map that we've been at our "zenith"
I've gotta get the kids ready for Xmas, so I'll leave you with this. This is the first year since i started following MU after deciding to go to Marquette in 08/09 that I've taken down my flag mid season so I am pissed and disheartened. But I throw out all these stats because without context of our program's position, without one of probably the top 20 or so coaches all time, then we'll always be disappointed.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 23, 2025, 08:42:55 PMThe difference between Shaka and his predecessors is there were plenty of signs he wanted to make this his long-term and perhaps last stop.
I think most here would want that kind of stability, which does assume consistent success.
Obviously, the results this season are completely unacceptable and Shaka has some significant decisions to make once the season ends.
If either side moves on, if feels like we'll be back to being a perpetual stepping stone, where we either fire someone if they don't succeed or someone moves on in 5-6 years if they're successful.
That's why I'm more inclined to give Shaka a bit more leeway to clean up this mess.
Indeed and not just cutting some players. He and his staff have done a poor job of evaluating HS talent. If Shaka stays some of them will have to go as well. RGV could have worked if the players were good enough to pay them to stay (i.e. retention) but they're not. If the season thus far is any indication, we are actually over paying these guys assuming Marquette's financial resources are there. How many on our current roster would be picked by another high major program via the portal?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 24, 2025, 08:50:40 AMwe're a bad team and other fans and national media all recognize it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2025, 10:01:32 AMI've taken down my flag mid season so I am pissed and disheartened.
Yeah, it's disappointing that I can't give a good reason for it when I talk about my MU fandom with people. Chatted with a random SJU fan on the chair lift, I said something like, "I'm a Marquette fan, but they're pretty bad this year", he responded with something like "Yeah, they're bad. When they're good they are really good, but they suck this year"
Similar conversation with a friend (Texas fan), who said he turned on one of our games to see how we were doing, and changed the channel quickly because we were so bad.
Anyhow, I'll stop venting. Merry Christmas y'all.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 24, 2025, 10:56:38 AMYeah, it's disappointing that I can't give a good reason for it when I talk about my MU fandom with people. Chatted with a random SJU fan on the chair lift, I said something like, "I'm a Marquette fan, but they're pretty bad this year", he responded with something like "Yeah, they're bad. When they're good they are really good, but they suck this year"
Similar conversation with a friend (Texas fan), who said he turned on one of our games to see how we were doing, and changed the channel quickly because we were so bad.
Anyhow, I'll stop venting. Merry Christmas y'all.
Merry Christmas to you as well, Rocky, and all fellow posters!
Discussions around here about MU. Me: Bad this year. Shaka bet on developing players already in the program and it didn't work this season. Discussions of where and why this season went sideways.
Inevitably segues into discussions about the portal, how much it is hated, and a surprising number of relatively neutral fans were secretly hoping Shaka's no-portal philosophy would pan out. A fair amount had no idea and were shocked he would even try.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2025, 10:01:32 AMWell for starters Creighton has no history to suggest that should be their expectation, till a couple years ago they hadn't advanced in like 60yrs or something.
I think that's a reasonable goal to reach for and it's my hope and believe that Marquette can get there but as Wades and I both pointed out there's zero in our history that doesn't include AL to show that we should reasonably expect that as of now. If you're 55 you've seen MU advance 7 times
Let's look at some data cuts without AL to figure out why we should expect that level of success:
Since AL 7 S16 or higher in 53 tournaments, don't need to be a math wiz to see that that's not ideal.
But Majerus, Dukiet and the first couple O'Neil years were rough so let's go since 93 of 32 potential tournaments 6 S16 or higher, that's less than every 5 years.
Ok well Deane broke us and Crean needed to rebuild, so let's go since he got us back in 02 5 >S16 in 23 potential tournaments which while above 1 every 5yrs is rounded up to every 5yrs.
But let's step back and see the entire program since its first appearance, sans Al, that's 56 potential tournaments we've advanced in 9 of them...
Let's splice it into just Crean and buzz because that's the best stretch since AL. advanced 4x in 15 years. Your win not exactly a glowing example of us at our zenith.
Outside of those three buzz years (one of which id take 2023 100% of the time over), and Al, there's no point in 70 potential tournaments since our program first came on the map that we've been at our "zenith"
I've gotta get the kids ready for Xmas, so I'll leave you with this. This is the first year since i started following MU after deciding to go to Marquette in 08/09 that I've taken down my flag mid season so I am pissed and disheartened. But I throw out all these stats because without context of our program's position, without one of probably the top 20 or so coaches all time, then we'll always be disappointed.
Put your flag back up! That's uncalled for Galway!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2025, 10:01:32 AMWell for starters Creighton has no history to suggest that should be their expectation, till a couple years ago they hadn't advanced in like 60yrs or something.
I think that's a reasonable goal to reach for and it's my hope and believe that Marquette can get there but as Wades and I both pointed out there's zero in our history that doesn't include AL to show that we should reasonably expect that as of now. If you're 55 you've seen MU advance 7 times
Let's look at some data cuts without AL to figure out why we should expect that level of success:
Thanks for your reply and crunching those numbers.
Still, I'm going to disagree a bit here.
I don't believe that Marquette basketball is somehow fated to be an amalgamation of its past performances. Because the program made one Final Four, one Elite 8 and seven Sweet 16s over the past 40 years doesn't mean that one Final Four, one Elite 8 and seven Sweet 16s is the best or target outcome for the next 40 years.
We're not slaves to the past 40 years. I don't imagine Nate Oats brought that fatalism to Tuscaloosa or Curt Cignetti brought it to Bloomington. And they were right.
Second, if we're setting expectations for performance based on past results - and that's what we're doing here, right - why are we factoring bad runs into that equation?
Mike Deane and Wojo were fired for failing to meet the program's standards. So why are we including their tenures in some formula establishing reasonable standards? It makes no sense. I'd rather look at the successful tenures, and the successes of similarly situated programs, and set that as the expectation, not some average that includes failed administrations.
Lastly, you started off by referring to Creighton. How successful do you think McDermott's tenure would have been if he'd looked at the 40 years that preceded him and said "that's all this program should aspire to be?"
Quote from: Pakuni on December 24, 2025, 01:36:09 PMThanks for your reply and crunching those numbers.
Still, I'm going to disagree a bit here.
Lastly, you started off by referring to Creighton. How successful do you think McDermott's tenure would have been if he'd looked at the 40 years that preceded him and said "that's all this program should aspire to be?"
Mic drop!?!? :D
Crazy question to ask given the thread's title, but I'll go for it anyway:
What's the latest with Zaide?
Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2025, 03:17:41 PMCrazy question to ask given the thread's title, but I'll go for it anyway:
What's the latest with Zaide?
Waiting to see if he gets coal in his stocking or not.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 24, 2025, 10:01:32 AMWell for starters Creighton has no history to suggest that should be their expectation, till a couple years ago they hadn't advanced in like 60yrs or something.
I think that's a reasonable goal to reach for and it's my hope and believe that Marquette can get there but as Wades and I both pointed out there's zero in our history that doesn't include AL to show that we should reasonably expect that as of now. If you're 55 you've seen MU advance 7 times
Let's look at some data cuts without AL to figure out why we should expect that level of success:
Since AL 7 S16 or higher in 53 tournaments, don't need to be a math wiz to see that that's not ideal.
But Majerus, Dukiet and the first couple O'Neil years were rough so let's go since 93 of 32 potential tournaments 6 S16 or higher, that's less than every 5 years.
Ok well Deane broke us and Crean needed to rebuild, so let's go since he got us back in 02 5 >S16 in 23 potential tournaments which while above 1 every 5yrs is rounded up to every 5yrs.
But let's step back and see the entire program since its first appearance, sans Al, that's 56 potential tournaments we've advanced in 9 of them...
Let's splice it into just Crean and buzz because that's the best stretch since AL. advanced 4x in 15 years. Your win not exactly a glowing example of us at our zenith.
Outside of those three buzz years (one of which id take 2023 100% of the time over), and Al, there's no point in 70 potential tournaments since our program first came on the map that we've been at our "zenith"
I've gotta get the kids ready for Xmas, so I'll leave you with this. This is the first year since i started following MU after deciding to go to Marquette in 08/09 that I've taken down my flag mid season so I am pissed and disheartened. But I throw out all these stats because without context of our program's position, without one of probably the top 20 or so coaches all time, then we'll always be disappointed.
Hank was brutally booed, I'm sort of ashamed to say I was part of it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 24, 2025, 11:55:14 AMPut your flag back up! That's uncalled for Galway!
LOL
Quote from: ghostofcorms77 on December 23, 2025, 01:38:37 PMI'm sorry. I was told his contract was fully guaranteed, and we had to pay other staff members, which brought the number closer to 14m.
Haynes was hired at $420k just for clarity sake.
lol you keep changing your story. $14M is not the number, dummy.
Quote from: MU82 on December 24, 2025, 03:17:41 PMCrazy question to ask given the thread's title, but I'll go for it anyway:
What's the latest with Zaide?
Did Zaide travel home for Christmas?
He was just on Instagram live shooting in a big stadium with maroon seats. Couldn't make out what the floor said. Maybe Missouri State?
Was he wearing Marquette shorts?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 24, 2025, 01:36:09 PMThanks for your reply and crunching those numbers.
Still, I'm going to disagree a bit here.
I don't believe that Marquette basketball is somehow fated to be an amalgamation of its past performances. Because the program made one Final Four, one Elite 8 and seven Sweet 16s over the past 40 years doesn't mean that one Final Four, one Elite 8 and seven Sweet 16s is the best or target outcome for the next 40 years.
We're not slaves to the past 40 years. I don't imagine Nate Oats brought that fatalism to Tuscaloosa or Curt Cignetti brought it to Bloomington. And they were right.
Second, if we're setting expectations for performance based on past results - and that's what we're doing here, right - why are we factoring bad runs into that equation?
Mike Deane and Wojo were fired for failing to meet the program's standards. So why are we including their tenures in some formula establishing reasonable standards? It makes no sense. I'd rather look at the successful tenures, and the successes of similarly situated programs, and set that as the expectation, not some average that includes failed administrations.
Lastly, you started off by referring to Creighton. How successful do you think McDermott's tenure would have been if he'd looked at the 40 years that preceded him and said "that's all this program should aspire to be?"
As far as us being slaves to our past. You're right it has no bearing on court performance but it should have an impact on fan expectations. If it doesn't why stop at the S16? Why shouldn't every program expect to be in the S16 every year? We'd laugh if a Chicago state fan said "we expect to be in the S16 every year".
As far as bad runs, because it's an indicator of how Marquette does during its good years where the program has had the chance to make a run. I get your point, but Deane wasn't fired for 96 or 97. Wojo wasn't fired for 2017 or 2019. In fact Bill Scholl talked after hiring Shaka that he was surprised that people felt Wojo wasn't hitting expectations.
Regarding McDermotts tenure, I'd challenge you to find a single Creighton fan that was calling for his job prior to their 2017 S16 and actually, Dana Altman was highly revered there despite never advancing so I think that showcases how their expectations were set based off of their history.
The examples you give regarding McDermott or Nate Oats are about the coach and staff's expectations I'm only talking about the expectations of fans.
Anybody have any knowledge of this situation?
Is Zaide expected to be back?
He is not a difference maker, MU needs some open spots next year, score ya
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 27, 2025, 03:32:18 PMAnybody have any knowledge of this situation?
Is Zaide expected to be back?
I'm sure there'll be some update Tuesday
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 27, 2025, 01:59:05 PMAs far as us being slaves to our past. You're right it has no bearing on court performance but it should have an impact on fan expectations. If it doesn't why stop at the S16? Why shouldn't every program expect to be in the S16 every year? We'd laugh if a Chicago state fan said "we expect to be in the S16 every year".
Because not every program has the same resources, support and commitment to basketball that Marquette has. Given MU's commitment, a S16 every 4-5 years isn't an outlandish expectation. Given Chicago State's commitment, a S16 every year would be outlandish. Surely you can see the difference, right?
And I think you've reached straw man territory here. There's a pretty wide gap between my suggestion - a Sweet 16 every 4-5 years - and "S16 every year."
QuoteRegarding McDermotts tenure, I'd challenge you to find a single Creighton fan that was calling for his job prior to their 2017 S16 and actually, Dana Altman was highly revered there despite never advancing so I think that showcases how their expectations were set based off of their history.
I'm going to take a pass on combing through Creighton message board archives from 2014 to find the McDermott haters.
But no, expectations weren't based on their history. They're based on their present. And the present at Creighton - vastly increased fan and financial support, move to a major conference, etc. - is vastly different than where they were 30 years ago.
Do you believe the expectations for a Big East program should be the same as those for a Missouri Valley program? Heck, then we might as well hire Wardle for real.
QuoteThe examples you give regarding McDermott or Nate Oats are about the coach and staff's expectations I'm only talking about the expectations of fans.
Why should they be different? It's OK for Shaka to expect a Sweet 16 every 4-5 years, but it's ridiculous for us to do the same?
I swear Zaide's instagram account use to say Marquette Basketball in the bio...
Cannot verify but this is what I heard:
Zaide Lowery will not return for the second semester after being dismissed from the team by Shaka Smart following an altercation with assistant coach Cody Hatt.
Based on the account that posted it, I'd be very hesitant to believe it
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 28, 2025, 04:28:49 PMBased on the account that posted it, I'd be very hesitant to believe it
Idk - regardless of the source, it isn't a huge leap to believe something like that happened here
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 28, 2025, 04:28:49 PMBased on the account that posted it, I'd be very hesitant to believe it
Explain please
When does the team return? Thought it would be today at some point.
Quote from: MU1in77 on December 28, 2025, 04:10:29 PMCannot verify but this is what I heard:
Zaide Lowery will not return for the second semester after being dismissed from the team by Shaka Smart following an altercation with assistant coach Cody Hatt.
Why wouldn't you link to the source?
https://x.com/i/status/2005387293746754005
It is true. He is no longer on the team.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 28, 2025, 05:14:34 PMWhy wouldn't you link to the source?
https://x.com/i/status/2005387293746754005
Why wouldn't you reference the official Marquette site's roster that he's no longer listed on?
LINK (https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster?sort=name)
He's gone. Just officially announced by Marquette.
Yep. He gowne. Things clearly went south pretty fast in the last couple weeks with Zaide. Given the rumor of alteration with Cody Hatt, makes me wonder if there was anything about the rumor about him getting into a fight with Shaka(or Cody?) over Caedin's minutes
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/2005421050532888655?s=61
No relationships. No growth. No victory.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 28, 2025, 05:39:14 PMNo relationships. No growth. No victory.
None this year anyways. The last 4 were pretty darn fun.
The portal is the way of the future. That much has become clearer here now. We milked that RGV for every drop it was worth. Time to shift!
#bRRL
Portal time!
I guess without G and V, your Rs aren't worth much.
Also, didn't Shaka say he wasn't leaving? Not a great sign if he really believed that when he said it.
Really thought a breakout year was possible. Oops.
One spot open for next season now. Need 1-2 more.
A shame.
I wasn't as high on Lowery as some others here, but I still thought he would be a solid contributor to a team that would at least be on the bubble this season. But like other MU players, he not only didn't improve, he actually regressed.
Aside from Al slapping Bo Ellis, it's generally not good to see players and coaches getting into major conflicts - certainly a conflict so bad that it necessitates severe discipline, let alone the nuclear option of dismissal. It's a sign that the harmony and chemistry that marked all of Shaka's earlier teams at MU has eroded; losing tends to do that.
On a related note: I won't say Shaka outright lied when he was asked point-blank if Lowery was going to be dismissed and he immediately responded, "No." Maybe he didn't know for sure then. If he did, however, the proper response would have been, "All I'll keep saying regarding Zaide is there are personal reasons he's not with the team now."
You have to at least make Kyle Kuzma say no. Make him listen
Shaka was not going to tell the media Zaide was being kicked off the team prior to the official release of him. And they probably weren't going to do that until the end of the semester.
Best of luck in all future endeavors, young man.
Opportunity awaits for others.
So at least we can confirm now, that zaide was not good.
Quote from: jfp61 on December 28, 2025, 05:58:58 PMSo at least we can confirm now, that zaide was not good.
He cooled on us smh
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 05:56:57 PMShaka was not going to tell the media Zaide was being kicked off the team prior to the official release of him.
He didn't have to. As I said a few mins ago, if Shaka knew when asked, rather than a quick and authoritative "No," he should have briefly responded with coachspeak. He and coaches everywhere do it all the time. Lying was unnecessary.
I've heard he's our #2 guy on offense lol
Wasn't Cody Hatt the one that pushed Shaka to take Kolek when Shaka said he wasn't a fit? Was he also the one that wasn't sold on Zaide when Shaka wanted him as a top priority?
I definitely don't see this is a positive, but time to move on and focus on who is here.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2025, 05:50:05 PMA shame.
I wasn't as high on Lowery as some others here, but I still thought he would be a solid contributor to a team that would at least be on the bubble this season. But like other MU players, he not only didn't improve, he actually regressed.
Aside from Al slapping Bo Ellis, it's generally not good to see players and coaches getting into major conflicts - certainly a conflict so bad that it necessitates severe discipline, let alone the nuclear option of dismissal. It's a sign that the harmony and chemistry that marked all of Shaka's earlier teams at MU has eroded; losing tends to do that.
On a related note: I won't say Shaka outright lied when he was asked point-blank if Lowery was going to be dismissed and he immediately responded, "No." Maybe he didn't know for sure then. If he did, however, the proper response would have been, "All I'll keep saying regarding Zaide is there are personal reasons he's not with the team now."
Harmony is easy, RGV is easy, with, wait for it, talented players. Shaka was given way too much credit for developing NBA talent. Let's have some TRGV going forward. I've already copyrighted it. Will be selling it in the book store next year.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 06:02:30 PMWasn't Cody Hatt the one that pushed Shaka to take Kolek when Shaka said he wasn't a fit? Was he also the one that wasn't sold on Zaide when Shaka wanted him as a top priority?
Yup.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2025, 06:01:32 PMHe didn't have to. As I said a few mins ago, if Shaka knew when asked, rather than a quick and authoritative "No," he should have briefly responded with coachspeak. He and coaches everywhere do it all the time. Lying was unnecessary.
People would just say he's a liar then too. Or they'd correctly assume that by not denying it was saying everything they needed to know. The only "true" answer was "No, not until the end of the semester."
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 05:56:57 PMShaka was not going to tell the media Zaide was being kicked off the team prior to the official release of him. And they probably weren't going to do that until the end of the semester.
If Shaka was kicking him off the team -or even contemplating it - and then publicly stated he wouldn't be leaving, that makes him a liar. But I doubt that's the case. More likely, Zaide is not being kicked off the team. He's choosing to leave. And when he was asked the question last week, Shaka didn't believe he'd be choosing to leave.
I don't think that reflects terribly well on Shaka's relationship with Zaide. If he could sit before a microphone eight days ago and confidently state that Zaide wasn't leaving, he obviously didn't have great insight into the situation. But that's better than being a liar, IMO.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 28, 2025, 06:04:16 PMI definitely don't see this is a positive, but time to move on and focus on who is here.
Does this even rate in the top 10 of MU's negatives this year?
This was obvious the moment he didn't travel with the team. Not playing and being on the bench is one thing. Not even traveling when healthy (and team is struggling) is a glaring sign of dysfunction (along with rumored altercation with assistant coach).
This season continues to find new depths to fall to. It's conclusion cannot come soon enough. Sadly we we still not at official midpoint and a another two months of this train wreck.
I was informed here that the money was too good at MU for any player to leave so why risk it with an altercation? Doesn't make sense that anything else would matter to a player.
In any event, it's just further evidence of the mess this season has become due to some poor recruiting and questionable coaching and development. MU is in rebuild mode.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 06:09:05 PMIf Shaka was kicking him off the team -or even contemplating it - and then publicly stated he wouldn't be leaving, that makes him a liar. But I doubt that's the case. More likely, Zaide is not being kicked off the team. He's choosing to leave. And when he was asked the question last week, Shaka didn't believe he'd be choosing to leave.
I don't think that reflects terribly well on Shaka's relationship with Zaide. If he could sit before a microphone eight days ago and confidently state that Zaide wasn't leaving, he obviously didn't have great insight into the situation. But that's better than being a liar, IMO.
Dude, he lied. It is totally justifiable, but still a lie.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 28, 2025, 06:05:22 PMHarmony is easy, RGV is easy, with, wait for it, talented players. Shaka was given way too much credit for developing NBA talent. Let's have some TRGV going forward. I've already copyrighted it. Will be selling it in the book store next year.
Obviously need talent. But I think Shaka and his assistants have been given just about the right amount of credit for bringing Kolek and OMax in, for convincing Oso and Kam to stay at Marquette, and for helping them all become NBA-caliber players. I give the players themselves most of the credit, and I always have. It's OK if you disagree; America is still a free country, for now.
As for harmony, chemistry, "culture" and all of those buzzwords ... it's possible to make an NCAA tournament without great team chemistry, but it's hard to maintain it on a team that gets its ass kicked game after game.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 28, 2025, 06:11:26 PMI was informed here that the money was too good at MU for any player to leave so why risk it with an altercation? Doesn't make sense that anything else would matter to a player.
In any event, it's just further evidence of the mess this season has become due to some poor recruiting and questionable coaching and development. MU is in rebuild mode.
Because altercations are not some planned event. People lose their cool and act foolishly.
Not concerned at all. Honestly seems like they needed that domino to fall to start the true rebuild using the portal in the off season.
Good lord. Always rolled my eyes when fans were saying they felt like they knew Shaka even though they'd never met him and that they learn something from Shaka every time they listen to him. Now it's equally as absurd that people think Shaka is a liar or questioning his character because Shaka didn't come out and say he's kicking a player off the team to the media before everything was finalized. Or coming to conclusions as to whether he has good relationships with his players.
Zaide got few minutes against Purdue, then didn't play at all, then didn't travel with the team. I doubt Shaka's blindsided by this. I also don't think that a coach not telling the media everything that is going on is a liar. Sometimes people aren't fully truthful when asked something for a number of reasons. Happens with coaches. Happens in everyday life. Happens for a lot of reasons. Some information is worth protecting. If you think everyone who doesn't give you completely accurate information on everything you ask them about is a liar, then everyone in your life is a liar. Which we all lie, but looking at everyone in your life as a liar is a hell of a way to go through life.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 06:06:51 PMYup.
Yeah...and Cody Hatt was the lead on Tre Norman. But unnatural carnal knowledge it, we should fire Shaka and promote Cody!!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 28, 2025, 06:11:53 PMDude, he lied. It is totally justifiable, but still a lie.
Why would be lie? There's zero downside to telling the truth in that situation.
He could have dodged the question, as 82 suggests.
Instead, he now looks (at best) like a fool for not knowing the situation or a liar for knowing the situation but stating the opposite.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 06:17:16 PMYeah...and Cody Hatt was the lead on Tre Norman. But unnatural carnal knowledge it, we should fire Shaka and promote Cody!!
Lmfaoooooooooooooooooooo
Sorry you've been proven to be an idiot for weeks now. Smoke some weed and chill. It's going to be okay.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2025, 06:12:32 PMAs for harmony, chemistry, "culture" and all of those buzzwords ... it's possible to make an NCAA tournament without great team chemistry, but it's hard to maintain it on a team that gets its ass kicked game after game.
MU doesn't have the luxury to worry about culture; how about the coaches and players just earning their paychecks?
We can discuss culture when MU is a top 100 team.
Who cares.He left. He pretty much did nothing so no loss in my book. Next man up.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 28, 2025, 06:15:38 PMBecause altercations are not some planned event. People lose their cool and act foolishly.
Not concerned at all. Honestly seems like they needed that domino to fall to start the true rebuild using the portal in the off season.
Love how the "altercation" has gone from twitter rumor to established fact in about 45 minutes, despite no actual confirmation that it occurred. It will soon be a part of Scoop lore, like the Hauser brothers slipping notes under Wojo's office door and Buzz's distaste for flushing.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 06:19:06 PMLmfaoooooooooooooooooooo
Sorry you've been proven to be an idiot for weeks now. Smoke some weed and chill. It's going to be okay.
Nah. Just own your dumb "Yup" in response to the idiot who tried to suggest Cody Hatt is some brilliant recruiter.
And the only idiots on Scoop are the 25% of fans like you who have completely unraveled due to one bad season, and totally discounted everything accomplished by our coach the last 4 years.
I care less than zero how a head coach answers a question about an unresolved personnel matter. I care about why we see the obvious downgrade in talent across multiple classes.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 06:23:04 PMNah. Just own your dumb "Yup" in response to the idiot who tried to suggest Cody Hatt is some brilliant recruiter.
And the only idiots on Scoop are the 25% of fans like you who have completely unraveled due to one bad season, and totally discounted everything accomplished by our coach the last 4 years.
Who said he was a "brilliant recruiter"?
Unraveled? Who? Just simply confirming his post. Sorry you got offended since Shaka can do no wrong :(
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 06:23:04 PMNah. Just own your dumb "Yup" in response to the idiot who tried to suggest Cody Hatt is some brilliant recruiter.
Wasn't implying anything, man. Was just asking a question. Good call on Zaide in the preseason though. Think you were pretty high on him.
Quote from: connie on December 28, 2025, 06:25:01 PMI care less than zero how a head coach answers a question about an unresolved personnel matter. I care about why we see the obvious downgrade in talent across multiple classes.
100%
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 04:48:46 PMIdk - regardless of the source, it isn't a huge leap to believe something like that happened here
How physical would a jr have to be with a coach to be thrown off the team? I'm thinking a heat of the moment shove wouldn't do it
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 06:25:39 PMWasn't implying anything, man. Was just asking a question. Good call on Zaide in the preseason though. Think you were pretty high on him.
I was high on Zaide. Surprised it went south, and he didn't take a step. That aside, what did Tyler Kolek's recruitment have to do with anything related to Zaide leaving MU?
Quote from: Johnny B on December 28, 2025, 06:33:06 PMHow physical would a jr have to be with a coach to be thrown off the team? I'm thinking a heat of the moment shove wouldn't do it
You realize there's no proof that actually happened, right?
Quote from: Johnny B on December 28, 2025, 06:33:06 PMHow physical would a jr have to be with a coach to be thrown off the team? I'm thinking a heat of the moment shove wouldn't do it
We've all seen zaide play. Couldn't have been more than a pillow fight.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 06:22:22 PMLove how the "altercation" has gone from twitter rumor to established fact in about 45 minutes, despite no actual confirmation that it occurred. It will soon be a part of Scoop lore, like the Hauser brothers slipping notes under Wojo's office door and Buzz's distaste for flushing.
I don't know if that account is legit or sarcasm. He seems to have a vendetta against Shaka.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 06:37:36 PMYou realize there's no proof that actually happened, right?
lol - what do you want? footage from inside the AL during practice? The program mentioning the exact details in the press release? Smh
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 28, 2025, 06:49:15 PMI don't know if that account is legit or sarcasm. He seems to have a vendetta against Shaka.
Wonder what his Scoop username is.
Well, I guess that's that. More opportunities for Adrien and Tre. I honestly thought Zaide would be a major impact player for us. Pretty disappointing.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2025, 06:57:23 PMWell, I guess that's that. More opportunities for Adrien and Tre. I honestly thought Zaide would be a major impact player for us. Pretty disappointing.
He needed to be for this team to be any good. But here we are.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 28, 2025, 06:58:13 PMHe needed to be for this team to be any good. But here we are.
True. It's extremely depressing.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 06:37:19 PMI was high on Zaide. Surprised it went south, and he didn't take a step. That aside, what did Tyler Kolek's recruitment have to do with anything related to Zaide leaving MU?
Just noting a few examples of where Shaka didn't have the best judgment on who would be a good fit in the program. Longer list of players recruited who are/were nowhere near the level needed to compete - Tre included as you mentioned. The assistants are disposable to me and definitely wasn't suggesting Hatt is some star on the recruiting trail. Speaking of some of the players in this class (Tre, Zaide, Amadou, Hamilton), I'm wondering where this class will end up ranking in MU history.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 06:37:36 PMYou realize there's no proof that actually happened, right?
Yeah for the moment. Just posing the question
I'm guessing this is far from the low point yet, but at least we've started the process of getting this over with.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 07:08:01 PMJust noting a few examples of where Shaka didn't have the best judgment on who would be a good fit in the program. Longer list of players recruited who are/were nowhere near the level needed to compete - Tre included as you mentioned. The assistants are disposable to me and definitely wasn't suggesting Hatt is some star on the recruiting trail. Speaking of some of the players in this class (Tre, Zaide, Amadou, Hamilton), I'm wondering where this class will end up ranking in MU history.
I'm gonna say not very high.
Thank goodness we have good talent waiting in the wings
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 06:49:55 PMlol - what do you want? footage from inside the AL during practice? The program mentioning the exact details in the press release? Smh
Wow, you're really this stupid. Amazing.
I guess an unsubstantiated rumor is great for low IQ individuals.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 07:09:17 PMI'm guessing this is far from the low point yet, but at least we've started the process of getting this over with.
Great. I hope you're just referring to the misery of losing a lot of our remaining games?
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 07:08:01 PMJust noting a few examples of where Shaka didn't have the best judgment on who would be a good fit in the program. Longer list of players recruited who are/were nowhere near the level needed to compete - Tre included as you mentioned. The assistants are disposable to me and definitely wasn't suggesting Hatt is some star on the recruiting trail. Speaking of some of the players in this class (Tre, Zaide, Amadou, Hamilton), I'm wondering where this class will end up ranking in MU history.
Worst 4 man class eva
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2025, 06:57:23 PMWell, I guess that's that. More opportunities for Adrien and Tre. I honestly thought Zaide would be a major impact player for us. Pretty disappointing.
No idea what you are talking about, Tre Norman has had three years for his opportunities to showcase his talent.
It is now Owen's time to show anything. Let's see how many minutes Shaka plays him.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 07:08:01 PMSpeaking of some of the players in this class (Tre, Zaide, Amadou, Hamilton), I'm wondering where this class will end up ranking in MU history.
I know it will be ranked ahead of our 1999 incoming class
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2025, 07:14:04 PMGreat. I hope you're just referring to the misery of losing a lot of our remaining games?
I'm sure we will see more tempers flair. The scores are going to continue to be ugly. More guys will question whether they want to be a part of this mess. It will be embarrassing, it won't be fun, but it is what it is.
This isn't what any of them signed up for.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 07:08:01 PMJust noting a few examples of where Shaka didn't have the best judgment on who would be a good fit in the program. Longer list of players recruited who are/were nowhere near the level needed to compete - Tre included as you mentioned. The assistants are disposable to me and definitely wasn't suggesting Hatt is some star on the recruitin Speaking of some of the players in this class (Tre, Zaide, Amadou, Hamilton), I'm wondering where this class will end up ranking in MU history.
That 2003 class of Dameon Mason, Brandon Bell, James Matthews and Carlton Christian might be slightly ahead of this one
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 07:21:30 PMI'm sure we will see more tempers flair. The scores are going to continue to be ugly. More guys will question whether they want to be a part of this mess. It will be embarrassing, it won't be fun, but it is what it is.
This isn't what any of them signed up for.
Let their whiny ass out the door then. You post this a lot as if the few decent guys on the team are getting more and more upset each day that goes by. What can be done mid season?Every fan player and coach knows the year is a calamity. It's still one year. Lowery is already gone and I think there will be a ton of new faces next year on top of sheek and egbbongbu or whatever his name his. There's 3 guys on the roster I would be upset by them leaving and 2 are freshman. If they're that doom and gloom snowflakes cause one bad year just leave already.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 23, 2025, 07:05:36 AMWhen we won the Big East regular season and Tournament title and got our first NCAA Tournament win in over a decade our season was "a wash at best?" When we made a Sweet 16 our season was "a wash at best" because of seeds and Vegas spreads? The reward for being awesome in the regular season is playing worse teams earlier in the Tournament. Trying to discredit seasons because of a single result is crazy, but MU fans will be MU fans.
I genuinely wonder how Marquette fans get this attitude that we are above Sweet Sixteens and can turn our nose up on those. We have 17 Sweet Sixteen appearances in the history of the program. 11 of those came before 1980. We are not the program that a decent amount of Scoopers think we are.
MU is a top 20 all-time program. Wins. Post season tournament bids. All Americans. People are shocked we suck. Why?...We have a pedigree of winning. I have friends in DC that are blown away at the downfall. You always diminish our excellence. Why?
Quote from: nyg on December 28, 2025, 07:19:19 PMNo idea what you are talking about, Tre Norman has had three years for his opportunities to showcase his talent.
It is now Owen's time to show anything. Let's see how many minutes Shaka plays him.
Touche.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 28, 2025, 07:34:52 PMLet their whiny ass out the door then. You post this a lot as if the few decent guys on the team are getting more and more upset each day that goes by. What can be done mid season?Every fan player and coach knows the year is a calamity. It's still one year. Lowery is already gone and I think there will be a ton of new faces next year on top of sheek and egbbongbu or whatever his name his. There's 3 guys on the roster I would be upset by them leaving and 2 are freshman. If they're that doom and gloom snowflakes cause one bad year just leave already.
I don't disagree, I was just pointing out that this likely isn't the low point.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 07:44:37 PMI don't disagree, I was just pointing out that this likely isn't the low point.
Right now one (1) of our players would be in high demand in the portal.
If it's true that Lowry got in an altercation with an assistant, it will be first time in his MU career he was actually aggressive. We basically got nothing for two years and he becomes a starter this year. Shows a few signs of promise then disappears for long stretches.
Time to admit that he was part of one of the weakest recruiting classes we've ever had.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on December 28, 2025, 07:58:11 PMIf it's true that Lowry got in an altercation with an assistant, it will be first time in his MU career he was actually aggressive. We basically got nothing for two years and he becomes a starter this year. Shows a few signs of promise then disappears for long stretches.
Time to admit that he was part of one of the weakest recruiting classes we've ever had.
That probably didn't happen.
Clown car operation. Not even close to rock bottom
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/2005455008788292034?s=46
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 07:57:51 PMRight now one (1) of our players would be in high demand in the portal.
I agree with high demand.
I'd guess all MU players have been contacted to transfer by now. "There is blood in the water"
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:05:17 PMClown car operation. Not even close to rock bottom
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/2005455008788292034?s=46
Told ya! This is a tough situation to grab ahold of. It is going to spiral for a while, but at least the process has started.
Why do they even bother answering that guy. Hasn't he been a known troll for years? He's been posted on here dozens of times spewing BS. How does the administration not just dismiss that as such.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 08:07:51 PMTold ya! This is a tough situation to grab ahold of. It is going to spiral for a while, but at least the process has started.
Why do they even bother answering that guy. Hasn't he been a known troll for years? He's been posted on here dozens of times spewing BS. How does the administration not just dismiss that as such.
Probably because they see the rumor gaining traction here and elsewhere. We have people in this thread stating it as fact. I actually give them credit for proactively squelching it.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 08:07:51 PMTold ya! This is a tough situation to grab ahold of. It is going to spiral for a while, but at least the process has started.
This is exactly what this program needs. ::)
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:05:17 PMClown car operation. Not even close to rock bottom
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/2005455008788292034?s=46
It is a bad look responding to this stuff.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 08:07:51 PMTold ya! This is a tough situation to grab ahold of. It is going to spiral for a while, but at least the process has started.
Why do they even bother answering that guy. Hasn't he been a known troll for years? He's been posted on here dozens of times spewing BS. How does the administration not just dismiss that as such.
They bothered responding because it can be really damaging to Zaide and dummies like Panda accept it immediately as fact.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 08:15:28 PMThey bothered responding because it can be really damaging to Zaide and dummies like Panda accept it immediately as fact.
Lmfao. Responding to a burner.
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:05:17 PMClown car operation. Not even close to rock bottom
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/2005455008788292034?s=46
Your golf buddy told you about the altercation hey?
As I've stated before, I have no insider knowledge, but this season is playing out like there's something big going on behind the scenes. It seems impossible that Shaka has lost control to this extent, mostly on the court but also off.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 08:18:42 PMLmfao. Responding to a burner.
Nice job missing the point. When bullsh#t starts about a physical altercation it needs to be squashed.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 08:15:28 PMThey bothered responding because it can be really damaging to Zaide and dummies like Panda accept it immediately as fact.
VBMG now (https://media.tenor.com/y-ntA0VDk5gAAAAe/holding-fart.png)
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:20:38 PMVBMG now (https://media.tenor.com/y-ntA0VDk5gAAAAe/holding-fart.png)
You're projecting, dummy.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 08:19:12 PMYour golf buddy told you about the altercation hey?
No inside info on this.
My entire point is some people here will never accept information unless it's plainly stamped on their forehead.
There is a world where things happen that are not discussed in a publicly accessible forum.
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:22:00 PMNo inside info on this.
My entire point is some people here will never accept information unless it's plainly stamped on their forehead.
There is a world where things happen that are not discussed in a publicly accessible forum.
Totally agree with this. I don't care one way or another whether Marquette responded to a Tweet.
It's not our business why Lowery left or what happened behind closed doors (frankly I just don't care). This is a positive development though as things obviously need to start changing and the sooner it happens, the better.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 08:20:12 PMNice job missing the point. When bullsh#t starts about a physical altercation it needs to be squashed.
Dude 😂😂😂
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 06:49:55 PMlol - what do you want? footage from inside the AL during practice? The program mentioning the exact details in the press release? Smh
How about one report from anyone other than a twitter account that has historically been a troll account?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 08:20:12 PMNice job missing the point. When bullsh#t starts about a physical altercation it needs to be squashed.
I think we just found out who runs the Marquette twitter account
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:29:30 PMI think we just found out who runs the Marquette twitter account
Someone who understands social media and crisis management?
I dont know if it's just me, but I dont like the use of just the word: INACCURATE!!! It tells me there is SOME Truth to the post. If it wasn't true, shouldn't MU state the post is not true?? :P
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:29:30 PMI think we just found out who runs the Marquette twitter account
You suffer a serious head injury you never got checked out?
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on December 28, 2025, 08:42:04 PMI dont know if it's just me, but I dont like the use of just the word: INACCURATE!!! It tells me there is SOME Truth to the post. If it wasn't true, shouldn't MU state the post is not true?? :P
They just doubled down and edited it...this is getting embarrassing.
WTF are they doing??????
Recruiting misses happen.
Have to replace him with a quality transfer though.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 08:34:17 PMDude 🤡 🤡 🤡
https://x.com/crackedsidewlks/status/2005469477069373483?s=46&t=jOIAE3JSVy6X9HsYnQP8Nw (https://x.com/crackedsidewlks/status/2005469477069373483?s=46&t=jOIAE3JSVy6X9HsYnQP8Nw)
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on December 28, 2025, 08:42:04 PMI dont know if it's just me, but I dont like the use of just the word: INACCURATE!!! It tells me there is SOME Truth to the post. If it wasn't true, shouldn't MU state the post is not true?? :P
They did
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 08:44:00 PMhttps://x.com/crackedsidewlks/status/2005469477069373483?s=46&t=jOIAE3JSVy6X9HsYnQP8Nw (https://x.com/crackedsidewlks/status/2005469477069373483?s=46&t=jOIAE3JSVy6X9HsYnQP8Nw)
Thanks for sharing another dumb tweet.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 28, 2025, 08:45:03 PMThey did ???
Help me here... All they said it was INACCURATE.. They didn't say it wasn't true. SO it tells me there is some truth to the post...
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on December 28, 2025, 08:48:49 PMHelp me here... All they said it was INACCURATE.. They didn't say it wasn't true. SO it tells me there is some truth to the post...
Followup tweet
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 08:48:34 PMDumb*
VBMG and the Marquette twitter account seem to be editing quite a bit of their recent work...
Very suspicious similarities
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 08:42:59 PMThey just doubled down and edited it...this is getting embarrassing.
WTF are they doing??????
What's embarrassing? You get embarrassed too easily.
I clearly don't understand what is going on.
Can someone explain?
An account tweeted out that zaide was leaving due to a physical altercation with an assistant coach.
That tweet/story began gaining traction in multiple locations.
Marquette bball felt it important to correct the record that that story was false likely to protect the reputation of the coach and player.
Why is that bad?
This whole situation, while salacious/stupid, is so unimportant. I'm surprised MU cares enough to respond but also surprised people care that they did.
The issue is still the same — we need to upgrade the talent. The people running the program hopefully now realize what many saw coming for a while and do something about it.
https://x.com/i/status/2005468328207253836
"The information regarding the altercation is inaccurate."
So there was an altercation?
The official Marquette Basketball account on Twitter replying to a random unverified account is only something a dysfunctional person or organization would do. The fact it's still up is an embarrassment.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 08:55:18 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2005468328207253836
"The information regarding the altercation is inaccurate."
So there was an altercation?
Who cares?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 08:51:54 PMWhat's embarrassing? You get embarrassed too easily.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 28, 2025, 08:52:48 PMI clearly don't understand what is going on.
Can someone explain?
An account tweeted out that zaide was leaving due to a physical altercation with an assistant coach.
That tweet/story began gaining traction in multiple locations.
Marquette bball felt it important to correct the record that that story was false likely to protect the reputation of the coach and player.
Why is that bad?
It's not. It's logical. And all reactions to the contrary are pure idiocy.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 08:56:00 PMThe official Marquette Basketball account on Twitter replying to a random unverified account is only something a dysfunctional person or organization would do. The fact it's still up is an embarrassment.
Buddy you ever check out the Twitter account of the president of the United States of America?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 08:56:00 PMThe official Marquette Basketball account on Twitter replying to a random unverified account is only something a dysfunctional person or organization would do. The fact it's still up is an embarrassment.
Except that folks on twitter - and on here - were buying into the story...
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 08:56:00 PMThe official Marquette Basketball account on Twitter replying to a random unverified account is only something a dysfunctional person or organization would do. The fact it's still up is an embarrassment.
It's like the Marquette Gold debacle. No one outside of a small group cares
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 23, 2025, 08:42:55 PMIf either side moves on, if feels like we'll be back to being a perpetual stepping stone, where we either fire someone if they don't succeed or someone moves on in 5-6 years if they're successful.
What makes you say this? No one predicted Shaka would so radically oppose the things needed to compete in today's landscape when he was hired.
Whatever happens, I don't think Shaka leaving has any bearing on the next guy wanting this to be a long-lasting partnership.
If there was an "altercation" there would be a non-disclosure agreement as a part of a release & payment. MU wouldn't be able to say anything about it, therefore there was no altercation. MU decided to get it out there, and I think that was a reasonable response.
Ultimately when things like this happen, whatever happened, falls on the head coach. I am now worried that Shaka may not be the guy. Where there is smoke there is fire. Not sure what is happening but time to start the clock on the head coach.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 08:56:00 PMThe official Marquette Basketball account on Twitter replying to a random unverified account is only something a dysfunctional person or organization would do. The fact it's still up is an embarrassment.
You're wrong on two counts.
First, there are multiple accounts on X - including blue checkmarks - claiming Zaide was dismissed after an altercation with a coach. Do a search. This isn't about "a random unverified account."
Second, it's in Marquette's interest to squelch fake "news" posts that cast the program in a negative light. To do otherwise means people will believe it - go back a few pages in this thread for proof - and it damages the program's reputation.
You may think "Oh, it's just a BS rumor on X that would have blown over if Marquette didn't call attention to it," and that might be true. Then again, it might not. You never know what's going to take hold out there and sitting back and hoping for the best isn't a good strategy. Best to proactively get out in front of it.
Google Kate Cornett.
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on December 28, 2025, 08:48:49 PMHelp me here... All they said it was INACCURATE.. They didn't say it wasn't true. SO it tells me there is some truth to the post...
Seriously? Was MU supposed to say it's a "lie"?
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 08:58:32 PMWhat makes you say this? No one predicted Shaka would so radically oppose the things needed to compete in today's landscape when he was hired.
Whatever happens, I don't think Shaka leaving has any bearing on the next guy wanting this to be a long-lasting partnership.
What makes me say that? The last 40-50 years of Marquette history.
Quote from: MU82 on December 28, 2025, 05:50:05 PMA shame.
I wasn't as high on Lowery as some others here, but I still thought he would be a solid contributor to a team that would at least be on the bubble this season. But like other MU players, he not only didn't improve, he actually regressed.
Aside from Al slapping Bo Ellis, it's generally not good to see players and coaches getting into major conflicts - certainly a conflict so bad that it necessitates severe discipline, let alone the nuclear option of dismissal. It's a sign that the harmony and chemistry that marked all of Shaka's earlier teams at MU has eroded; losing tends to do that.
On a related note: I won't say Shaka outright lied when he was asked point-blank if Lowery was going to be dismissed and he immediately responded, "No." Maybe he didn't know for sure then. If he did, however, the proper response would have been, "All I'll keep saying regarding Zaide is there are personal reasons he's not with the team now."
Shaka bungling a postgame comment, you say?
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 08:51:40 PMVBMG and the Marquette twitter account seem to be editing quite a bit of their recent work...
Very suspicious similarities
Yeah...the slurping is odd.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 09:15:12 PMWhat makes me say that? The last 40-50 years of Marquette history.
I don't think any coach will see the job Shaka is doing here right now, take said job following a separation, and think Shaka's departure has any relevance to his own time at MU. That it makes that coach any less likely to work out long-term. Just my opinion.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 08:57:27 PMBuddy you ever check out the Twitter account of the president of the United States of America?
Yup. I think he says a lot of crazy things. But I dont believe he responds to unverified or random folks on the app (or at least not this term).
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 09:21:09 PMYeah...the slurping is odd.
Right. Saying the university is handling this properly is definitely slurping.
You're dumb.
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 09:21:20 PMI don't think any coach will see the job Shaka is doing here right now, take said job following a separation, and think Shaka's departure has any relevance to his own time at MU. That it makes that coach any less likely to work out long-term. Just my opinion.
I didn't say a single thing you just mentioned.
Would you care to list how long each of our coaches were at Marquette post-Al?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 09:12:58 PMYou're wrong on two counts.
First, there are multiple accounts on X - including blue checkmarks - claiming Zaide was dismissed after an altercation with a coach. Do a search. This isn't about "a random unverified account."
Second, it's in Marquette's interest to squelch fake "news" posts that cast the program in a negative light. To do otherwise means people will believe it - go back a few pages in this thread for proof - and it damages the program's reputation.
You may think "Oh, it's just a BS rumor on X that would have blown over if Marquette didn't call attention to it," and that might be true. Then again, it might not. You never know what's going to take hold out there and sitting back and hoping for the best isn't a good strategy. Best to proactively get out in front of it.
Google Kate Cornett.
Then the athletic department or communications department should have released an official statement saying as such, not allowing the intern or manager running the account to respond to it without any official oversight.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 28, 2025, 08:57:37 PMExcept that folks on twitter - and on here - were buying into the story...
Guess it was a major fail that the MU account didn't respond to the Hauser letter rumors then. I know that was rampant on Twitter when that situation was happening.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 08:55:18 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2005468328207253836
"The information regarding the altercation is inaccurate."
So there was an altercation?
That reads really poorly. Wonder if Zaide could explore legal options on it since it could impact future NIL deals and where he ends up.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 09:24:47 PMRight. Saying the university is handling this properly is definitely slurping.
You're dumb.
Amplifying a known burner account's rumor to an even larger audience on twitter is dumb.
You should stop doubling down.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 09:26:43 PMThen the athletic department or communications department should have released an official statement saying as such, not allowing the intern or manager running the account to respond to it without any official oversight.
Of course there was oversight to a response on that subject matter. Come on.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 09:26:43 PMThen the athletic department or communications department should have released an official statement saying as such, not allowing the intern or manager running the account to respond to it without any official oversight.
Amateur Hour. >:(
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 09:29:38 PMAmplifying a known burner account's rumor to an even larger audience on twitter is dumb.
You should stop doubling down.
The problem is you don't know WTF you're talking about.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 09:30:44 PMThe problem is you don't know WTF you're talking about.
Ehhhhh I think you should look in the mirror.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 09:28:28 PMGuess it was a major fail that the MU account didn't respond to the Hauser letter rumors then. I know that was rampant on Twitter when that situation was happening.
Do you really not see the difference between a letter and allegations of a physical altercation?
FFS.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 28, 2025, 09:29:52 PMOf course there was oversight to a response on that subject matter. Come on.
Glad they didnt need to edit it then after the fact. You know, since it had oversight originally.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 09:28:28 PMGuess it was a major fail that the MU account didn't respond to the Hauser letter rumors then. I know that was rampant on Twitter when that situation was happening.
Did those rumors cast MU basketball in a false or damaging light?
Are rumors about players writing letters whining about usage the same thing to you as those claiming a physical altercation between a coach and a player?
Kind of a dumb analogy when put that way, don't you think?
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 09:29:05 PMThat reads really poorly. Wonder if Zaide could explore legal options on it since it could impact future NIL deals and where he ends up.
????
Or they are saying there was no altercation, but he is leaving the program (or was dismissed).
Y'all are making a lot out of absolutely nothing.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 09:29:05 PMThat reads really poorly. Wonder if Zaide could explore legal options on it since it could impact future NIL deals and where he ends up.
Ya. I mean if nothing physical happened then I'd be pretty upset if I were Zaide reading this. And this was their 2nd attempt at it!
It is interesting that MU didn't say the part of the post saying Shaka dismissed Lowery from the team is inaccurate.
Two more misses hopefully next.....More juniors....
Quote from: BM1090 on December 28, 2025, 09:34:25 PMY'all are making a lot out of absolutely nothing.
This sums it up perfectly.
If it's true that Lowry got in an altercation with an assistant, it will be first time in his MU career he was actually aggressive. We basically got nothing for two years and he becomes a starter this year. Shows a few signs of promise then disappears for long stretches.
Time to admit that he was part of one of the weakest recruiting classes we've ever had.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on December 28, 2025, 09:29:38 PMAmplifying a known burner account's rumor to an even larger audience on twitter is dumb.
You should stop doubling down.
They didn't amplify the rumor. They shut it down. Not that hard to follow, yet some idiots can't seem to comprehend that MU said there was no altercation. What don't you get?
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 09:29:05 PMThat reads really poorly. Wonder if Zaide could explore legal options on it since it could impact future NIL deals and where he ends up.
You're a clown. MU did Zaide a favor by shutting down any rumor about there being an altercation. Even if the origin of the rumor was some twitter burner account.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:39:33 PMThey didn't amplify the rumor. They shut it down. Not that hard to follow, yet some idiots can't seem to comprehend that MU said there was no altercation. What don't you get?
You're a clown. MU did Zaide a favor by shutting down any rumor about there being an altercation. Even if the origin of the rumor was some twitter burner account.
There is sure lots of follow up engagement from the edited initial tweet to say they "shut it down" lol
Quote from: panda on December 28, 2025, 09:41:24 PMThere is sure lots of follow up engagement from the edited initial tweet to say they "shut it down" lol
They don't get it
So Marquette responds to a known Twitter troll, and in the process confirms that an altercation occurred, and people here legitimately think it's no big deal??
This is a master class on how to NOT manage a situation. There is no need to say anything. Just ignore it!
Now Shaka is going to be asked about it and Zaide has been tossed under the bus.
Just dumb PR all around.
Lack of institutional control
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:39:33 PMThey didn't amplify the rumor. They shut it down. Not that hard to follow, yet some idiots can't seem to comprehend that MU said there was no altercation. What don't you get?
Not surprised you don't get this but responding to a troll at all (MUBB hashtags included), and editing it to acknowledge "an altercation" happened, is only making matters worse for Marquette.
You released a statement, that's it. Now you're giving oxygen to a known troll and doing it clumsily?? A complete joke.
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 08:58:32 PMWhat makes you say this? No one predicted Shaka would so radically oppose the things needed to compete in today's landscape when he was hired.
Whatever happens, I don't think Shaka leaving has any bearing on the next guy wanting this to be a long-lasting partnership.
100%. In fact, other than Crean leaving for IU...and Crean was here for what, 8 seasons...MU has never been a stepping stone program going back to when McGuire retired. Raymonds assumed the mantle. Majerus was the heir apparent. Dukiet was fired. KO only left for TN because the MU admin at the time gave him a garbage contract offer. Deane was fired. Crean, as mentioned. Buzz took a step down. Wojo fired. MU being basketball-centric, and with a history of winning, facilities, budget...is an attractive gig. Steppingstone programs are where we've gone to get Dukiet, Deane, Crean. IF, big IF, MU is in the HC market soon, go big! I would not call obscure assistants from the MEAC, or call mid-major guys from the MAC. Villanova didn't. Maryland didn't. Not sure Xavier did either in getting Pitino from NM. Heck, he beat us!
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 09:45:14 PMSo Marquette responds to a known Twitter troll, and in the process confirms that an altercation occurred, and people here legitimately think it's no big deal??
This is a master class on how to NOT manage a situation. There is no need to say anything. Just ignore it!
Now Shaka is going to be asked about it and Zaide has been tossed under the bus.
Just dumb PR all around.
Does anyone really think this, (Shaka's tenure) is going to last?
I will always be his fan, but this (the program) is spinning so far out of control.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 28, 2025, 09:24:13 PMYup. I think he says a lot of crazy things. But I dont believe he responds to unverified or random folks on the app (or at least not this term).
This is a joke, right?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:39:33 PMThey didn't amplify the rumor. They shut it down. Not that hard to follow, yet some idiots can't seem to comprehend that MU said there was no altercation. What don't you get?
You're a clown. MU did Zaide a favor by shutting down any rumor about there being an altercation. Even if the origin of the rumor was some twitter burner account.
They literally confirmed an altercation took place. How does that help Zaide or Mubb?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:39:33 PMThey didn't amplify the rumor. They shut it down. Not that hard to follow, yet some idiots can't seem to comprehend that MU said there was no altercation. What don't you get?
You're a clown. MU did Zaide a favor by shutting down any rumor about there being an altercation. Even if the origin of the rumor was some twitter burner account.
I disagree. If they were trying to do him a favor by saying there was no altercation, they should have said in bold letters
"There was no altercation"
Instead they said "information regarding the altercation (not "an altercation") is not true."
They made it about as clear as mud.
Not sure why we have posters in here pretending it's no big deal. Guy appears to have been dismissed from the program, X account is fumbling PR on the matter...to say "who cares" is silly. Anyone who's a fan of the team should have interest in what transpired to lead to this, whether it's as dramatic as said altercation or not.
Officially shut down !
https://x.com/trillydonovan/status/2005485245471265013?s=46
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:39:33 PMYou're a clown. MU did Zaide a favor by shutting down any rumor about there being an altercation. Even if the origin of the rumor was some twitter burner account.
You are in the small minority thinking MU is handling this correctly, but I guess that is not unusual.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 28, 2025, 09:52:22 PMNot sure why we have posters in here pretending it's no big deal. Guy appears to have been dismissed from the program, X account is fumbling PR on the matter...to say "who cares" is silly. Anyone who's a fan of the team should have interest in what transpired to lead to this, whether it's as dramatic as said altercation or not.
Responding to "White Sox Bill"
Just amateur hour stuff...
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 28, 2025, 09:54:25 PMYou are in the small minority thinking MU is handling this correctly, but I guess that is not unusual.
You're vastly overrating the number of people who actually care that MUBB's Twitter account shut down a rumor they say is false.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 28, 2025, 09:52:22 PMNot sure why we have posters in here pretending it's no big deal. Guy appears to have been dismissed from the program, X account is fumbling PR on the matter...to say "who cares" is silly. Anyone who's a fan of the team should have interest in what transpired to lead to this, whether it's as dramatic as said altercation or not.
Not surprised. Some posters here think we're just having an off year, like a 90th ranked team.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 09:51:59 PMI disagree. If they were trying to do him a favor by saying there was no altercation, they should have said in bold letters
"There was no altercation"
Instead they said "information regarding the altercation (not "an altercation") is not true."
They made it about as clear as mud.
Let's see - Burner account says Zaide was involved in an altercation with Cody Hatt and was dismissed from the team.
MU replies: INACCURATE
Dumb Scoopers want more info.
MUBB edits: The information regarding the altercation is inaccurate.
How do you or anyone else think MU confirmed an altercation took place??
I would settle for SLU
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 09:56:13 PMYou're vastly overrating the number of people who actually care that MUBB's Twitter account shut down a rumor they say is false.
They literally amplified it through their response.
Just say nothing. PR 101.
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 09:51:40 PMThey literally confirmed an altercation took place. How does that help Zaide or Mubb?
Are you serious with this? They "literally" confirmed there was no altercation.
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 09:59:22 PMThey literally amplified it through their response.
Just say nothing. PR 101.
And literally nobody will care about it in 24 hours. Except for Scoopers who just want to cry about the program.
Relax guys. No one cares if the worst team in the Big East dismissed a player for fighting a coach.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:58:34 PMLet's see - Burner account says Zaide was involved in an altercation with Cody Hatt and was dismissed from the team.
MU replies: INACCURATE
Dumb Scoopers want more info.
MUBB edits: The information regarding the altercation is inaccurate.
How do you or anyone else think MU confirmed an altercation took place??
By saying "...the altercation." This is elementary English.
And it's elementary PR not to respond to trolls.
Defending this is insane.
Don't forget about MU's Deputy AD reaponding to a troll Twitter account that said Kolek flunked out at midterms. Maybe our PR program needs to improve.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:00:23 PMAnd literally nobody will care about it in 24 hours. Except for Scoopers who just want to cry about the program.
Then they probably should have just said nothing at all.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:58:34 PMLet's see - Burner account says Zaide was involved in an altercation with Cody Hatt and was dismissed from the team.
MU replies: INACCURATE
Dumb Scoopers want more info.
MUBB edits: The information regarding the altercation is inaccurate.
How do you or anyone else think MU confirmed an altercation took place??
Well for one. Don't reply to clowns at all.
Responding made it seem worthy of attention. If it didn't happen, let it be nothing. Then they worded it as if there was an altercation. Not exactly doing Zaide any good.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:58:34 PMLet's see - Burner account says Zaide was involved in an altercation with Cody Hatt and was dismissed from the team.
MU replies:
This is all you had to say.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 09:59:55 PMAre you serious with this? They "literally" confirmed there was no altercation.
Is the English language usually this difficult for you?
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 09:45:14 PMSo Marquette responds to a known Twitter troll, and in the process confirms that an altercation occurred, and people here legitimately think it's no big deal??
This is a master class on how to NOT manage a situation. There is no need to say anything. Just ignore it!
Now Shaka is going to be asked about it and Zaide has been tossed under the bus.
Just dumb PR all around.
jfc, some people are struggling to read tonight.
The Marquette X account said reports of an altercation were inaccurate, aka not true. It didn't confirm anything.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:00:23 PMAnd literally nobody will care about it in 24 hours. Except for Scoopers who just want to cry about the program.
Inaccurate
The #altercation just overtook the letter
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 10:05:27 PMjfc, some people are struggling to read tonight.
The Marquette X account said reports of an altercation were inaccurate, aka not true. It didn't confirm anything.
No. They said the reports of *the* altercation were inaccurate.
Very different. Essentially they confirmed an altercation took place.
https://x.com/crackedsidewlks/status/2005469477069373483?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
Yep.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 10:03:48 PMWell for one. Don't reply to clowns at all.
Responding made it seem worthy of attention. If it didn't happen, let it be nothing. Then they worded it as if there was an altercation. Not exactly doing Zaide any good.
How did MU word it as if there was an altercation?? And you're a walking contradiction - don't respond to a burner account that puts our FALSE info about and altercation involving Zaide an Cody Hatt - but when MU clarifies the info about an altercation was inaccurate that "not exactly doing Zaide any good?"
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 10:12:06 PMHow did MU word it as if there was an altercation?? And you're a walking contradiction - don't respond to a burner account that puts our FALSE info about and altercation involving Zaide an Cody Hatt - but when MU clarifies the info about an altercation was inaccurate that "not exactly doing Zaide any good?"
Sounds like Zaide won the fight and Marquette is doing damage control
Holy hell.
Our fan base has the team it deserves.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 10:12:06 PMHow did MU word it as if there was an altercation?? And you're a walking contradiction - don't respond to a burner account that puts our FALSE info about and altercation involving Zaide an Cody Hatt - but when MU clarifies the info about an altercation was inaccurate that "not exactly doing Zaide any good?"
The said "information about the altercation isn't true." So there was an altercation but the details were wrong? That's how it reads.
If there is no altercation say "an altercation" not "the altercation". Their wording was terrible and they got multiple cracks at coming up with something clear.
Marquette needs to put this to bed and release the CCTV of coach Hatt body slamming Zaide.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 28, 2025, 10:12:06 PMHow did MU word it as if there was an altercation?? And you're a walking contradiction - don't respond to a burner account that puts our FALSE info about and altercation involving Zaide an Cody Hatt - but when MU clarifies the info about an altercation was inaccurate that "not exactly doing Zaide any good?"
Again by saying "the altercation" it confirms there was one.
Elementary English.
Elementary PR is to ignore a known troll. They already released a statement! Just laugh and go to bed. No one will care in the morning.
there's been an altercation in the kitchen
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Don't think Shaka is here next season.
More confident than ever he exits stage left in March.
There were no specifics about what occurred with "the altercation" in the original Tweet. All that was said was that he was released after "an altercation." Marquette responded that the information about the altercation is inaccurate. Meaning an altercation did not occur. This really isn't this hard or complicated.
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 10:21:32 PMDon't think Shaka is here next season.
More confident than ever he exits stage left in March.
Like a firing or bouncing like he did at Texas?
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 10:17:06 PMAgain by saying "the altercation" it confirms there was one.
Elementary English.
Elementary PR is to ignore a known troll. They already released a statement! Just laugh and go to bed. No one will care in the morning.
I read the edit to clarify Zaide is still leaving the program and just the altercation part is inaccurate. However, I think it's dumb they responded to the troll account in the first place.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:21:58 PMThere were no specifics about what occurred with "the altercation" in the original Tweet. All that was said was that he was released after "an altercation." Marquette responded that the information about the altercation is inaccurate. Meaning an altercation did not occur. This really isn't this hard or complicated.
I'm frankly worried about the quality of English majors that the university is pumping out.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 10:15:17 PMThe said "information about the altercation isn't true." So there was an altercation but the details were wrong? That's how it reads.
If there is no altercation say "an altercation" not "the altercation". Their wording was terrible and they got multiple cracks at coming up with something clear.
It reads that way if you don't know how to read.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:21:58 PMThere were no specifics about what occurred with "the altercation" in the original Tweet. All that was said was that he was released after "an altercation." Marquette responded that the information about the altercation is inaccurate. Meaning an altercation did not occur. This really isn't this hard or complicated.
Their reply doesn't make me any more convinced there was no altercation than one taking place. That's the problem.
This is why you don't respond from the official account. Nothing to gain, a lot to lose.
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 10:21:32 PMDon't think Shaka is here next season.
More confident than ever he exits stage left in March.
Keep us updated on what they're saying on Discord like you do.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 28, 2025, 05:39:14 PMNo relationships. No growth. No victory.
You should write a blog and get another Marquette basketball coach fired.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on December 28, 2025, 10:28:23 PMThis is why you don't respond from the official account. Nothing to gain, a lot to lose.
Oh I'm not so sure anything was lost. Certainly not a lot was lost. I'm trying to think of the worst case scenario, and I'm coming up with nothing.
Quote from: withoutbias on December 28, 2025, 10:31:06 PMKeep us updated on what they're saying on Discord like you do.
Not sure what a Discord is saying, but that talk has started to get stronger the last couple weeks.
Lots of non-blueblood ACC jobs are gonna open that make sense. Can take the roster from here with him too since theyre all from that part of the country.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 28, 2025, 10:33:55 PMNot sure what a Discord is saying, but that talk has started to get stronger the last couple weeks.
Lots of non-blueblood ACC jobs are gonna open that make sense. Can take the roster from here with him too since theyre all from that part of the country.
I don't think Shaka takes transfers.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 28, 2025, 10:33:55 PMNot sure what a Discord is saying, but that talk has started to get stronger the last couple weeks.
Lots of non-blueblood ACC jobs are gonna open that make sense. Can take the roster from here with him too since theyre all from that part of the country.
BC? Shaka will take a big pay cut to go there.
Pitt? Capel is signed through 2030.
Va Tech? Young isn't going anywhere.
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 10:07:57 PMNo. They said the reports of *the* altercation were inaccurate.
Very different. Essentially they confirmed an altercation took place.
No they didn't. They said the portion of the tweet to which they were responding was inaccurate in saying there was an altercation. What in the tweet MU was responding to would be accurate regarding "the" altercation if the part of the tweet regarding "the" altercation was inaccurate? The thing they didn't deny was that Shaka dismissed Lowery from the team.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 28, 2025, 10:39:27 PMBC? Shaka will take a big pay cut to go there.
Pitt? Capel is signed through 2030.
Va Tech? Young isn't going anywhere.
ND? WF? GT? Not sure if any of those guys get fired, but none are doing great.
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 10:21:32 PMDon't think Shaka is here next season.
More confident than ever he exits stage left in March.
Lol
Quote from: LAZER on December 28, 2025, 11:04:54 PMND? WF? GT? Not sure if any of those guys get fired, but none are doing great.
A coach coming off a 10-win season who's built his identity around being the Luddite of the college basketball world is going to be a scorching hot commodity come spring.
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 10:07:57 PMNo. They said the reports of *the* altercation were inaccurate.
Very different. Essentially they confirmed an altercation took place.
Give it a rest.
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 10:21:32 PMDon't think Shaka is here next season.
More confident than ever he exits stage left in March.
R-e-l-a-x
If there was "an/the altercation", it would have just been the final straw. Something has been going on for a couple weeks with Zaide. There is a reason he wasn't playing.
Whether it affects anyone else on the team would be doubtful, IMO. The players are at practice every day and know what has been going on.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 28, 2025, 09:50:22 PMDoes anyone really think this, (Shaka's tenure) is going to last?
I will always be his fan, but this (the program) is spinning so far out of control.
Ya..I'd like to know the actual facts but it's hard to feel great about our program right now. Clearly this wasn't handled well.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 28, 2025, 10:25:12 PMIt reads that way if you don't know how to read.
Never seen someone be so confidently wrong as often as wades. Acknowledging "an altercation" period is dumb as hell from an MU socials standpoint. Responding to a troll account is dumb as hell and simply gives credence to the troll.
The fact that literally everyone outside of the usual 5 of you agrees is telling.
Quote from: Jockey on December 28, 2025, 11:25:20 PMIf there was "an/the altercation", it would have just been the final straw. Something has been going on for a couple weeks with Zaide. There is a reason he wasn't playing.
Whether it affects anyone else on the team would be doubtful, IMO. The players are at practice every day and know what has been going on.
Good point. This was apparently brewing for some time.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 28, 2025, 11:24:47 PMR-e-l-a-x
Where am I not relaxed? I simply reiterated my belief Shaka is gone in March, of his own accord.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 28, 2025, 11:24:47 PMR-e-l-a-x
I'm working on it. Been watching rhino videos.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 28, 2025, 11:34:45 PMI'm working on it. Been watching rhino videos.
Hahaha post of the year nominee
LOWROSHIMA!
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Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 11:14:06 PMA coach coming off a 10-win season who's built his identity around being the Luddite of the college basketball world is going to be a scorching hot commodity come spring.
word of the day!! Luddite!!! Appropriately fitting!
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 28, 2025, 10:58:20 PMNo they didn't. They said the portion of the tweet to which they were responding was inaccurate in saying there was an altercation. What in the tweet MU was responding to would be accurate regarding "the" altercation if the part of the tweet regarding "the" altercation was inaccurate? The thing they didn't deny was that Shaka dismissed Lowery from the team.
Go back and read it again. If that was their intent they used awful wording. For some reason they have kept the tweet up responding to a troll so it's right there.
Incompetence on many levels.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 28, 2025, 10:23:01 PMLike a firing or bouncing like he did at Texas?
He'll do the Bennett/Wright thing of stepping down (which will be taken less seriously because he doesn't have a natty like they do).
He'll do TV for 2-3 years then come back when there's a salary cap or you can sign these guys to actual multi-year contracts.
Well ... the MU media / comms / pr team is clueless and incompetent. Is Broeker awake ? On vacation?
So ... of course they would bungle this.
Just more fuel on the dumpster fire of a season.
And guess what.... It's likely to get worse before it gets better. No way is Zaide the only departure
Quote from: Pakuni on December 28, 2025, 06:22:22 PMLove how the "altercation" has gone from twitter rumor to established fact in about 45 minutes, despite no actual confirmation that it occurred. It will soon be a part of Scoop lore, like the Hauser brothers slipping notes under Wojo's office door and Buzz's distaste for flushing.
Sometime after this season is mercifully over we'll need to resurrect David Letterman's Top 10 and do a group Scoop heard rumors including these 3 and something at Jimmy John's.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 29, 2025, 08:18:07 AMWell ... the MU media / comms / pr team is clueless and incompetent. Is Broeker awake ? On vacation?
So ... of course they would bungle this.
Just more fuel on the dumpster fire of a season.
And guess what.... It's likely to get worse before it gets better. No way is Zaide the only departure
Which should please you.
Quote from: LAZER on December 28, 2025, 11:04:54 PMND? WF? GT? Not sure if any of those guys get fired, but none are doing great.
Shrewsbury is only in his third year at ND with a contract paying $4 million/year through 2030. Does ND care enough about basketball to eat that contract and pay Shaka more?
Stoudamire is only in his third year at GT and is currently 9-4, though with a new AD, he could feel some heat.
Forbes at Wake, maybe? 9-4, with two one-point losses to Michigan and Texas Tech. He got a "long-term" extension after 2022 (reportedly, through 2030). But this is his sixth year with no tourney appearances despite multiple 20 win seasons. But, at nine wins Wake is almost certain to have more wins on the season than MU. How would the Wake AD justify bringing in Shaka with fewer wins in 2025-26?
Quote from: dpucane on December 29, 2025, 07:08:55 AMHe'll do the Bennett/Wright thing of stepping down (which will be taken less seriously because he doesn't have a natty like they do).
He'll do TV for 2-3 years then come back when there's a salary cap or you can sign these guys to actual multi-year contracts.
How do you expect there to be a salary cap in 2-3 years?
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 11:28:11 PMNever seen someone be so confidently wrong as often as wades. Acknowledging "an altercation" period is dumb as hell from an MU socials standpoint. Responding to a troll account is dumb as hell and simply gives credence to the troll.
The fact that literally everyone outside of the usual 5 of you agrees is telling.
Learn how to read. The only information about "the altercation" that was presented in the original Tweet was that Zaide was released from Marquette because an altercation happened. Marquette basketball then Tweets out that the information about "the altercation" is incorrect, when the only information was that "an altercation" happened. So the only possible conclusion would be that Marquette is saying an altercation happening was inaccurate. It's not hard to read. You and a couple other babies just want to tell everyone how awful Marquette is at everything.
Can't wait to hear your temper tantrum when TJ Otzelberger isn't our coach next year.
Quote from: SOSW on December 29, 2025, 08:25:30 AMHow do you expect there to be a salary cap in 2-3 years?
Not sure what actual changes will be made I'm just speculating. But there has to be changes this is getting too silly.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 09:29:39 AMSo the only possible conclusion would be that Marquette is saying an altercation happening was inaccurate. It's not hard to read.
You're really double and tripling down on this. I don't really care, but (and this will be a complete shock to you), it could certainly (and more likely) read that an altercation happened, but the details are "inaccurate".
It could absolutely mean "There was no altercation", but that is definitely NOT what it says.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 29, 2025, 08:18:07 AMWell ... the MU media / comms / pr team is clueless and incompetent. Is Broeker awake ? On vacation?
I don't have big feelings about this, but being asleep or on vacation would have been the correct play. Not sure who's thumbs are on the official MU twitter account at 9:45 pm responding to unverified accounts on a Sunday night over Christmas break, but just like - don't.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2025, 09:43:19 AMYou're really double and tripling down on this. I don't really care, but (and this will be a complete shock to you), it could certainly (and more likely) read that an altercation happened, but the details are "inaccurate".
It could absolutely mean "There was no altercation", but that is definitely NOT what it says.
But THERE WERE NO DETAILS ABOUT THE ALTERCATION PROVIDED! So how could the details be inaccurate, when there were zero details provided about the altercation.
Quote from: onepost on December 28, 2025, 09:47:12 PMNot surprised you don't get this but responding to a troll at all (MUBB hashtags included), and editing it to acknowledge "an altercation" happened, is only making matters worse for Marquette.
You released a statement, that's it. Now you're giving oxygen to a known troll and doing it clumsily?? A complete joke.
You and others are the ones that don't get it.
Quote from: SOSW on December 28, 2025, 09:59:22 PMThey literally amplified it through their response.
Just say nothing. PR 101.
That is not PR 101.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 10:04:43 AMBut THERE WERE NO DETAILS ABOUT THE ALTERCATION PROVIDED! So how could the details be inaccurate, when there were zero details provided about the altercation.
Yes, there were details.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 10:04:43 AMBut THERE WERE NO DETAILS ABOUT THE ALTERCATION PROVIDED! So how could the details be inaccurate, when there were zero details provided about the altercation.
Maybe you haven't read the original tweet?
Quotefollowing an altercation with assistant coach Cody Hatt. #mubb
Personally, I think this Bill guy was throwing random crap out, and that crap landed too close to the truth.
In other news, the best reply to MU's response came from a UConn fan: "Someone is going to have to read this to Tyler Kolek"
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2025, 09:29:39 AMCan't wait to hear your temper tantrum when TJ Otzelberger isn't our coach next year.
Otzelberger to MU is a pipe dream, and that pipe has some pretty good stuff in it.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 29, 2025, 10:15:54 AMOtzelberger to MU is a pipe dream, and that pipe has some pretty good stuff in it.
No kidding.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 29, 2025, 10:08:12 AMThat is not PR 101.
Yes it is. You don't respond to a Twitter troll. You let your initial statement stand on its own. By this morning, no one would have cared a bit what "Whitesoxbill" said. Yet today the response is being mentioned on social media, the Field of 68 newsletter etc.
It was managed completely wrong.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 29, 2025, 10:11:29 AMWell then MU needs to take PR 102.
I'm in marketing and often work closely with PR. I have a friend in PR who I've posed this scenario to.
Ignoring trolls when they have not created any traction on a topic is one thing.
However, when something inaccurate starts to spread on social media, especially when there is an allegation of a physical altercation, ignoring it is NOT "PR 101" like so many "experts" here seem to believe.
Controlling the narrative and immediately squashing the rumor is the right approach. I'll acknowledge Marquette's wording of it's response could have and should have been better.
Quote from: SOSW on December 29, 2025, 10:17:07 AMYes it is. You don't respond to a Twitter troll. You let your initial statement stand on its own. By this morning, no one would have cared a bit what "Whitesoxbill" said. Yet today the response is being mentioned on social media, the Field of 68 newsletter etc.
It was managed completely wrong.
Wrong.
Quote from: SOSW on December 29, 2025, 10:21:18 AMI guess we found Broeker's burner.
Nice work - very lazy and stupid. At least you're consistent.
How much traction did it actually gain? Outside of the perpetually online (myself being firmly in there), I don't think it really was making its way midstream. Those of us that know the whitesoxbill account already know it's not reliable.
Just have Paint Touches or Ben Steele cite sources close to the program say that the altercation was false and then even those online move on.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 29, 2025, 10:30:32 AMHow much traction did it actually gain? Outside of the perpetually online (myself being firmly in there), I don't think it really was making its way midstream. Those of us that know the whitesoxbill account already know it's not reliable.
Just have Paint Touches or Ben Steele cite sources close to the program say that the altercation was false and then even those online move on.
Bingo.
It is going to be funny as hell if Shaka uses the available scholarship on a high schooler.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 11:25:13 AMIt is going to be funny as hell if Shaka uses the available scholarship on a high schooler.
I am very worried we use that on a late high school lottery ticket.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2025, 09:43:19 AMYou're really double and tripling down on this. I don't really care, but (and this will be a complete shock to you), it could certainly (and more likely) read that an altercation happened, but the details are "inaccurate".
It could absolutely mean "There was no altercation", but that is definitely NOT what it says.
It was poorly worded, but a more generous - and accurate, IMO - reading would be:
1. Rumor of an altercation gains steam on X and elsewhere (including here).
2. Social media manager hopes to get out in front of it and too pithily replies "Inaccurate" to one of the X accounts spreading the rumor
3. Social media manager sees people here and elsewhere questioning what's inaccurate.
4. Social media manager updates the original reply to say the altercation part is inaccurate.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 11:25:13 AMIt is going to be funny as hell if Shaka uses the available scholarship on a high schooler.
More losing will sure be hilarious
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 11:25:13 AMIt is going to be funny as hell if Shaka uses the available scholarship on a high schooler.
I feel like our RS project big pipeline needs to be refilled.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 11:25:13 AMIt is going to be funny as hell if Shaka uses the available scholarship on a high schooler.
I'd be cool with firing him if he does so.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 29, 2025, 11:47:13 AMIt was poorly worded, but a more generous - and accurate, IMO - reading would be:
1. Rumor of an altercation gains steam on X and elsewhere (including here).
2. Social media manager hopes to get out in front of it and too pithily replies "Inaccurate" to one of the X accounts spreading the rumor
3. Social media manager sees people here and elsewhere questioning what's inaccurate.
4. Social media manager updates the original reply to say the altercation part is inaccurate.
But which part of the altercation part, that's the issue. The existence of an altercation? Physical? Verbal? Zaide? Assistant coach? The meaning of "altercation?"
If there wasn't an altercation either say there wasn't, or refer to the original statement, or don't respond.
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2025, 11:25:13 AMIt is going to be funny as hell if Shaka uses the available scholarship on a high schooler.
...that Cody Hatt recommends.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 29, 2025, 03:15:04 PMBut which part of the altercation part, that's the issue. The existence of an altercation? Physical? Verbal? Zaide? Assistant coach? The meaning of "altercation?"
Hah, true. "Zaide put down an ass-whooping on assistant coach Cody Hatt" could be more accurate (though...I'm not saying it is).