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Leaving out seniors. 

Leaving out Nigel and Adrian as I think everyone mostly in agreement they've shown a lot of upside already. 

Leaving out Josh and MP since little playing time and first year players.  Plus, many like their skill set.  They rightly haven't been given any disappointment label yet. 

Please don't get me started on Tre if you think he should have been an option. 

I still like Royce the most to take the biggest jump forward. 

I voted caedin. His EGB output is unparalleled. It's all going to click for him once he gets up to 20,000 hook shots

Quote from: panda on December 20, 2025, 08:11:28 AMI voted caedin. His EGB output is unparalleled. It's all going to click for him once he gets up to 20,000 hook shots

Let's face facts, they're all elite in EGB's.

We may not be winning games, but we're sure generating a ton of egbs!

I just can't get there on Demarius. That balloon ball looking 3 shot looks ridiculous.  Air balled one at key moment in 2nd half Wednesday of course.  Goes off the wrong foot on his drives.  An athlete without basketball skill, especially at this level. 

Shaka.  Holding out for him to fire Nevada Smith and get a proper people and ball movement offense installed.

I hope they all are league leaders in clarity of purpose.

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 20, 2025, 08:40:38 AMShaka.  Holding out for him to fire Nevada Smith and get a proper people and ball movement offense installed.

we have a roster that should be cutting, slashing, back dooring...yet we rely on 3's. It's cray. Ross, Owens, Steven's, Phillips, even Lowrey...pick n roll, constant motion. But no, jack some 3-balls.

Quote from: Viper on December 20, 2025, 09:12:22 AMwe have a roster that should be cutting, slashing, back dooring...yet we rely on 3's. It's cray. Ross, Owens, Steven's, Phillips, even Lowrey...pick n roll, constant motion. But no, jack some 3-balls.

Though, teams have been playing zone quite a bit against MU.

If you can't make 3's in today's game, your ceiling is limited.  Motion and pick and roll are nice, but not as important as hitting 3's at a good clip. 

If we are going t rely on the 3 ball then you must recruit and land elite shooters. Give us some Novaks and this offense can crank.     In general, the offense creates good looks.    We just don't hit the shots. 

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 20, 2025, 09:29:00 AMIf you can't make 3's in today's game, your ceiling is limited.  Motion and pick and roll are nice, but not as important as hitting 3's at a good clip. 

Omaha is a friendly place to play for struggling offenses. Seems like a shooters gym. Always a lot of points there.

I'm more worried about our non existent defense. They may score 100.

Nevadas offense is not the problem.  It still generates great looks at the rim and from 3.

Shaka just recruited terrible fits for that in his first 2 classes, and we're seeing that now that they're upperclassmen.

Thankfully we've got some more natural drivers and shooters in the underclassmen and incoming.

Quote from: JTJ3 on December 20, 2025, 10:13:08 AMNevadas offense is not the problem.  It still generates great looks at the rim and from 3.

Shaka just recruited terrible fits for that in his first 2 classes, and we're seeing that now that they're upperclassmen.

Thankfully we've got some more natural drivers and shooters in the underclassmen and incoming.

The offense is not fine.  There's no ball movement, no easy buckets, very little people movement, too much dribbling and it's very easy to defend against MU's system.  Greg McDermott (god forbid) has a better offense than MU and that's just a disgrace.  MU has more talent than half the teams in the big east, but no system to get buckets. 

I voted for Caedin. He's clearly struggled early and has earned his criticism.  If he can get some stretches together, develop some confidence, he can be a difference maker just on his size alone.

But there is a lot to work on, obviously.

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 20, 2025, 10:21:56 AMI voted for Caedin. He's clearly struggled early and has earned his criticism.  If he can get some stretches together, develop some confidence, he can be a difference maker just on his size alone.

But there is a lot to work on, obviously.

I admire your saying this.  It's a very unpopular opinion to hold right now here.  But I agree with you. 

Quote from: Daniel on December 20, 2025, 09:48:19 AMIf we are going t rely on the 3 ball then you must recruit and land elite shooters. Give us some Novaks and this offense can crank.     In general, the offense creates good looks.    We just don't hit the shots. 

He did.  They're just either glued to the bench (Philips), redshirting (Miletic), or just got to campus (Walker).

The offense has to better once those guys get on the floor.

I'm not sure I can hold out hope.  I hate to say it but I enjoy watching the Badgers this year.

Quote from: 1988warriorindependent on December 20, 2025, 12:42:59 PMI'm not sure I can hold out hope.  I hate to say it but I enjoy watching the Badgers this year.

You're the only one. They suck.

Quote from: Johnny B on December 20, 2025, 12:47:39 PMYou're the only one. They suck.

Not true. This guy and Viper.

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 20, 2025, 10:17:23 AMThe offense is not fine.  There's no ball movement, no easy buckets, very little people movement, too much dribbling and it's very easy to defend against MU's system.  Greg McDermott (god forbid) has a better offense than MU and that's just a disgrace.  MU has more talent than half the teams in the big east, but no system to get buckets. 

You're wrong

Every advanced stat points to this offense being outstanding at getting the looks it is designed to get.

Quote from: 1988warriorindependent on December 20, 2025, 12:42:59 PMI'm not sure I can hold out hope.  I hate to say it but I enjoy watching the Badgers this year.

One post too many.  ;)
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Quote from: jesmu84 on December 20, 2025, 01:50:52 PMYou're wrong

Every advanced stat points to this offense being outstanding at getting the looks it is designed to get.

The "advanced stats" might say that, but the eye test says otherwise.  I agree with Warriorfan.  Do these advanced stats take into account difficulty of shots?  The shots around the basket are always very contested and our three-point shooting is as well. 

I personally can't stand watching 3-4 players stand around the perimeter as the other attempts to drive the ball to the hoop.  We don't get good open shots.  The offensive sets are broken, "advanced stats" be damned.

Quote from: Big Papi on December 20, 2025, 03:45:39 PMThe "advanced stats" might say that, but the eye test says otherwise.  I agree with Warriorfan.  Do these advanced stats take into account difficulty of shots?  The shots around the basket are always very contested and our three-point shooting is as well. 

I personally can't stand watching 3-4 players stand around the perimeter as the other attempts to drive the ball to the hoop.  We don't get good open shots.  The offensive sets are broken, "advanced stats" be damned.

Wrong

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 20, 2025, 10:17:23 AMThe offense is not fine.  There's no ball movement, no easy buckets, very little people movement, too much dribbling and it's very easy to defend against MU's system.  Greg McDermott (god forbid) has a better offense than MU and that's just a disgrace.  MU has more talent than half the teams in the big east, but no system to get buckets. 

Are we watching the same team? If they had talent they would get buckets regardless of the system. How many easy layups and open shots do talented players miss? If more than half the teams in the league have less talent than MU then why are we the only team with a loosing record.

I am holding out hope that we clear out 3-5 players at the end of the year.

Quote from: Viper on December 20, 2025, 09:12:22 AMwe have a roster that should be cutting, slashing, back dooring...yet we rely on 3's. It's cray. Ross, Owens, Steven's, Phillips, even Lowrey...pick n roll, constant motion. But no, jack some 3-balls.

Viper- you don't know what you are talking about.  this team sucks

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 20, 2025, 07:51:41 PMWrong

The advanced stats don't matter much when the number in the W column is lower than the number in the L column.
Fact is, MU offense is too easy to defend and doesn't create easy buckets.  How many easy buckets did Creighton have vs. MU?  Those come from a system.

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 21, 2025, 04:55:14 AMThe advanced stats don't matter much when the number in the W column is lower than the number in the L column.
Fact is, MU offense is too easy to defend and doesn't create easy buckets.  How many easy buckets did Creighton have vs. MU?  Those come from a system.

I spared myself from watching last night, but statistically speaking, Marquette is one of the best teams in the nation at creating shots at the rim. Unfortunately, they're one of the worst teams in the nation at making shots at the rim.
The problem isn't getting looks, the problem is having players who can't convert them.

Quote from: Pakuni on December 21, 2025, 08:14:55 AMI spared myself from watching last night, but statistically speaking, Marquette is one of the best teama in the nation at creating shots at the rim. Unfortunately, they're one of the worst teams in the nation in making shots at the rim.
The problem isn't getting looks, the problem is having players who can't convert them.

I can't believe I would even think this but is there any chance some of our players are on the take?

It would explain the unexplainable.

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 21, 2025, 04:55:14 AMThe advanced stats don't matter much when the number in the W column is lower than the number in the L column.
Fact is, MU offense is too easy to defend and doesn't create easy buckets.  How many easy buckets did Creighton have vs. MU?  Those come from a system.

You're still wrong.

Look at Pakunis comment

Quote from: Pakuni on December 21, 2025, 08:14:55 AMI spared myself from watching last night, but statistically speaking, Marquette is one of the best teams in the nation at creating shots at the rim. Unfortunately, they're one of the worst teams in the nation at making shots at the rim.
The problem isn't getting looks, the problem is having players who can't convert them.

It's getting to the point where I feel like I'm watching fourth graders play. Each layup is an adventure, and very likely the result of the attempt will be an ugly miss. Almost shocking.

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 21, 2025, 09:12:20 AMIt's getting to the point where I feel like I'm watching fourth graders play. Each layup is an adventure, and very likely the result of the attempt will be an ugly miss. Almost shocking.

It is actually hard to believe how poorly this team finishes at the rim. I don't recall ever seeing anything like it. Incredible.

Quote from: We R Final Four on December 20, 2025, 12:52:58 PMNot true. This guy and Viper.

amen!!! They (RED) do suck...it's just that we suck more. A lot more.