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Will he ever turn into a significant contributor? Some folks on here thought I was a heretic for saying he had no business being on this roster last year.

I think Hamilton takes the cake for all time most hated player on this board. I can't stand the dude being on the team either but damn.

I don't understand polls without an Arby's option.

No. If he transferred to a low major, still no.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2025, 09:41:46 PMI don't understand polls without an Arby's option.

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I miss the days when Joplin was the player everyone complained about most.

Keep in mind, none of this is on Caedin.

Quote from: Johnny B on December 17, 2025, 09:40:28 PMI think Hamilton takes the cake for all time most hated player on this board. I can't stand the dude being on the team either but damn.

I don't hate Hamilton, it's not his fault he should be playing in the Southland or Summit League but instead Shaka is trying to make some kind of statement starting him on a Big East team

Quote from: Pakuni on December 17, 2025, 09:45:30 PMKeep in mind, none of this is on Caedin.

Agree - any chance he is shaka's nephew? Has there been a 23 and me ran?

It is really bizarre that he's on the team. Shaka is going to lose credibility with the team by playing him.

Every time Caedin screws up, Shaka takes minutes away from Lowery.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 17, 2025, 09:51:28 PMIt is really bizarre that he's on the team. Shaka is going to lose credibility with the team by playing him.

I wonder if the players have these conversations. Like "wtf is player xyz doing here" or what's up with the recruiting" etc

Quote from: Johnny B on December 17, 2025, 09:55:21 PMI wonder if the players have these conversations. Like "wtf is player xyz doing here" or what's up with the recruiting" etc

You have to think so. Those guys know hoops better than us.

Quote from: Johnny B on December 17, 2025, 09:55:21 PMI wonder if the players have these conversations. Like "wtf is player xyz doing here" or what's up with the recruiting" etc

What player on this team has the right to ask that question? 

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 17, 2025, 09:47:26 PMI don't hate Hamilton, it's not his fault he should be playing in the Southland or Summit League but instead Shaka is trying to make some kind of statement starting him on a Big East team

A month ago, I complemented Hamilton for what he has done.  He was a zero rated high school recruit, who worked his way to a scholarship on a BE Major team. He redshirted and learned for two years and became a starter on that major BE team.  But, it's not his fault he is put in this position, because he should be playing maybe four minutes a game as a backup, to a real, more capable BE center, one that Shaka never signed.

Agree with poster who asked does Caedin have something on Shaka

Caedin does a lot of the little things right. Unfortunately, he does none of the big stuff even decently.

Quote from: Pakuni on December 17, 2025, 09:45:30 PMKeep in mind, none of this is on Caedin.

This. Management of expectations has never been the strongest for this staff, but it's now a full on liability.  At this rate, I'm not even sure what we are doing anymore. The kids not a Big East level player, no matter how much energy during practice or on the sidelines he shows.

Quote from: nyg on December 17, 2025, 10:10:05 PMA month ago, I complemented Hamilton for what he has done.  He was a zero rated high school recruit, who worked his way to a scholarship on a BE Major team. He redshirted and learned for two years and became a starter on that major BE team.  But, it's not his fault he is put in this position, because he should be playing maybe four minutes a game as a backup, to a real, more capable BE center, one that Shaka never signed.

Maybe you should have complimented him instead.

I think Shaka gambled on recruiting him. Unfortunately, it's a swing and a miss.

The thing is, I saw on the floor last night that Shaka is rewarding those working the hardest in practice.  You saw DO finally have it pay off.  You saw Royce have another decent game offensively.   With regards to Caedin, you can see the footwork.  You can see the effort.   You can see everything except the payoff. 

With regards to the rest of the team, you see them getting the shots they want.  And then thinking, and guiding, and hitching. 

Much like the defensive rotations.  Still not there.  Still thinking instead of doing. 

Sigh. 

It would be nice to see that be the new normal for DO. 

I will say, Cardin is always up on the bench encouraging the guys and super into it. He looks like a great teammate. He might have a future as a coach when his playing days are over.

Quote from: K1 Lover on December 17, 2025, 09:44:53 PMI miss the days when Joplin was the player everyone complained about most.

Were you around for Derrick Wilson?

Quote from: K1 Lover on December 17, 2025, 09:44:53 PMI miss the days when Joplin was the player everyone complained about most.

We only complained about Jolpin.

Caedin has an intimidating looking glare.

Quote from: cheebs09 on Today at 06:27:27 AMI will say, Cardin is always up on the bench encouraging the guys and super into it. He looks like a great teammate. He might have a future as a coach when his playing days are over.

Nobody would complain if he were used as this team's Jack Haley.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 07:44:37 AMWere you around for Derrick Wilson?

Haha, I came here to say this. The funny thing is: It's not the fault of the player. There's no way either should have started or getting the type of minutes they have. Unfair to the player.

People are to focused on starting.  Starting no matta. He's 7th in mpg, he's far from the biggest problem we have. Would I like for us to have the quality of players so that his current 19 mpg drops? Sure, but where are those minutes going to go? Hopefully Owens can build upon last night and take some of them, but it's clear that this year Hamilton is going to be a part of the rotation.

We are #1, the best, the first, the most underdog team to root for.  Some team has to aspire to be a Cinderella team.  We fit the bill.  Half the country roots for Marquette every time we take the floor. 

One of these days Alice, one of these days.
We will make headlines, biggest upset of the year is just around the corner.

Quote from: Its DJOver on Today at 10:00:17 AMPeople are to focused on starting.  Starting no matta. He's 7th in mpg, he's far from the biggest problem we have. Would I like for us to have the quality of players so that his current 19 mpg drops? Sure, but where are those minutes going to go? Hopefully Owens can build upon last night and take some of them, but it's clear that this year Hamilton is going to be a part of the rotation.

I think Hamilton being "far from the biggest problem" is pretty debatable. He's certainly a big problem.
But even if true, the reason he's taking so much heat is because he's emblematic of the glaring failure of RGV this year. A third-year player who still looks lost out on the court, has developed no discernible skills (being large enough to snag a few rebounds isn't a skill) and is forced into the starting lineup/rotation because of the lack of recruiting/development around him.
It's unfair to him on a personal level, but it is what it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI&t=3s

Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 10:19:50 AMI think Hamilton being "far from the biggest problem" is pretty debatable. He's certainly a big problem.
But even if true, the reason he's taking so much heat is because he's emblematic of the glaring failure of RGV this year. A third-year player who still looks lost out on the court, has developed no discernible skills (being large enough to snag a few rebounds isn't a skill) and is forced into the starting lineup/rotation because of the lack of recruiting/development around him.
It's unfair to him on a personal level, but it is what it is.

Sure, overall, he's a prime target of RGV not working this year (although certainly not the only one), but I could list quite a few individual specific things that are a bigger problem than our 7th leading mpg player that only had a 15% usage rate.

Quote from: tower912 on Today at 06:26:37 AMThe thing is, I saw on the floor last night that Shaka is rewarding those working the hardest in practice.  You saw DO finally have it pay off.  You saw Royce have another decent game offensively.   With regards to Caedin, you can see the footwork.  You can see the effort.   You can see everything except the payoff. 

With regards to the rest of the team, you see them getting the shots they want.  And then thinking, and guiding, and hitching. 

Much like the defensive rotations.  Still not there.  Still thinking instead of doing. 

Sigh. 

It would be nice to see that be the new normal for DO. 

Agree on a lot of this.

The chemistry is off. There's not really a leader either on the floor. Last year there were 3 guys doing it. This year, none.

Quote from: Markusquette on Today at 10:25:14 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI&t=3s

Those poor 4 subscribers

Quote from: panda on Today at 11:25:32 AMThose poor 4 subscribers

This is what Shaka briefed Clark with upon his arrival to the Al

Quote from: Hards Alumni on Today at 07:44:37 AMWere you around for Derrick Wilson?

I was not.

Quote from: Its DJOver on Today at 10:29:54 AMSure, overall, he's a prime target of RGV not working this year (although certainly not the only one), but I could list quite a few individual specific things that are a bigger problem than our 7th leading mpg player that only had a 15% usage rate.

A lot of eye test stuff here because I dont love defensive metrics/plus minus etc. His offensive numbers you referenced are poor but certainly not the reason for our struggles. However, defensively he is an absolute mess. He has no clue where he is on the floor most of the time. There were several times last night where he was on the weak side and had no sense to shift over to stop the dribble drive and it resulted in a wide open lay up.

Buzz did a good job of isolating him on the perimeter multiple times and he looked absolutely horrible in a 1v1 situation giving up an easy dribble penetration. 

Again, very subjective, but it seems like we give up lots of runs with him on the floor because of his poor court sense.

Lots of issues on this team, but his defense is top for me. We can definitely run a smaller line up without him on the floor. There are options to not play him, but Shaka is just being crazy stubborn with him for some reason.

Quote from: K1 Lover on Today at 11:32:28 AMI was not.

Joplin never had it as bad as Derrick Wilson did around here.

Quote from: panda on Today at 11:25:32 AMThose poor 4 subscribers

Dude can't wear a mic or just record the audio separately? Can't hear a damn thing he's saying