Watched Painter's post-game - man I like him - class act. Asked about the style and he noted how similar our programs are but that we didn't go to the portal at all and they'll "continue to recruit HS guys, but in March if we see we have a need we'll go to the portal" - seems like a pretty good plan.
No idea who/what/how the Cluff recruitment went and maybe we never would have had a chance anyway even if we sniffed - but that was exactly the type of player we needed on this team and that was obvious last March - not saying we could have got him (or a guy like him - Yaxel Lendeborg (or Aday Mara), Quincy Ballard, Michael Ajayi or even Duke Brennan or Christoph Tilly or Baba Miller or Magoon Gwath etc.) - but if we weren't looking for a guy like him why not? Because we didn't think we had the $$ for that kind of player (because we had made $$ commitments to Sean and Tre and Caedin?) or because we didn't want to recruit over Caedin (and Josh)? Because he wouldn't fit our scheme? None are really a good reason. Not sure even with a Cluff(type) this is a NCAA team, but a lineup of Cluff(type), Ben (Royce), Stevens (Zaide), Chase, and Nigel probably would have more than 5 wins...
IMHO Shaka is a class act just as is Painter. Let this year be a lesson for him. Go get the talent MU needs and back to the top 25 for next year.
SE - I agree. As does the vast majority of the board, and the almost anyone with eyesight.
No one thinks MU should be a program that changes 8 to 12 guys a year, etc.
But ... wake up .. and recognize that you've got 4 to 6 guys on this roster that should be in the Horizon League
( or below ). Add a few guys here and there. One or two a year.
But, I really think Shaka is too dug in on this, and too stubborn.
Hope I'm wrong.
This team is clearly bereft of high D-1 talent and that's on Shaka. And as many have pointed out, if you whiff on recruits, and they can't develop into solid rotational players, you're essentially fked if you don't use the portal. I mean there's no way to sugarcoat this fact. And I'm a big Shaka guy. I think he should be given the opportunity to turn things around next season. However, if we go into 2026-7 as we are presently constructed it's going to be super ugly.
I have no earthly idea how much guys are getting paid, Shaka's stubbornness,or how this will factor with certain players moving forward. Frankly I don't care. If upperclassmen can't produce and insist on staying? Goodbye. Pay them and slam the door. I'm sorry to be harsh but it has to be done. Bite the freaking bullet. And if NIL or the "rules" prohibit us from 🪓 🪓 🪓 players? Then you have to blow up everything as far as I'm concerned and go another direction.
This is a team in the vicinity of #225-250 in the country from what I've seen. It's totally inexcusable and painfully embarrassing. Our issues up front and having a grand total of 0.0 guys that can shoot the ball is 100% on Shaka. We have to completely upgrade this roster and quickly. The sad truth is, the vast majority of recruits that are not top 50 aren't
immediate drop the hammer impact guys. They're just not. It takes time and there are usually ups and downs. Find the right pieces ASAP. It's imperative.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2025, 07:44:36 AMThis team is clearly bereft of high D-1 talent and that's on Shaka. And as many have pointed out, if you whiff on recruits, and they can't develop into solid rotational players, you're essentially fked if you don't use the portal. I mean there's no way to sugarcoat this fact. And I'm a big Shaka guy. I think he should be given the opportunity to turn things around next season. However, if we go into 2026-7 as we are presently constructed it's going to be super ugly.
I have no earthly idea how much guys are getting paid, Shaka's stubbornness,or how this will factor with certain players moving forward. Frankly I don't care. If upperclassmen can't produce and insist on staying? Goodbye. Pay them and slam the door. I'm sorry to be harsh but it has to be done. Bite the freaking bullet. And if NIL or the "rules" prohibit us from 🪓 🪓 🪓 players? Then you have to blow up everything as far as I'm concerned and go another direction.
This is a team in the vicinity of #225-250 in the country from what I've seen. It's totally inexcusable and painfully embarrassing. Our issues up front and having a grand total of 0.0 guys that can shoot the ball is 100% on Shaka. We have to completely upgrade this roster and quickly. The sad truth is, the vast majority of recruits that are not top 50 aren't
immediate drop the hammer impact guys. They're just not. It takes time and there are usually ups and downs. Find the right pieces ASAP. It's imperative.
Our current NET ranking is 168, two spots below Robert Morris from the Horizon League.
But take heart, we're 4 spots better than DePaul still.
after yesterday's game I watched the UConn - Southern Cal women's game for awhile. I am not sure MU could beat the UConn women's team. Those girls are really good, play very aggressive team defense, shoot the lights out, rebound well, and move the ball constantly and effectively. In short, they do all the things well that MU doesn't. Yes, the MU guys would be bigger, bit I am not sure it would matter simply because the UConn women play beautiful team basketball. It makes me sad to say this.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2025, 07:44:36 AMI have no earthly idea how much guys are getting paid, Shaka's stubbornness,or how this will factor with certain players moving forward. Frankly I don't care. If upperclassmen can't produce and insist on staying? Goodbye. Pay them and slam the door. I'm sorry to be harsh but it has to be done. Bite the freaking bullet. And if NIL or the "rules" prohibit us from 🪓 🪓 🪓 players? Then you have to blow up everything as far as I'm concerned and go another direction.
Our Sophomores and Juniors are on this team because someone thought they could contribute. They were paid for their time. They are not producing. We can keep them around and keep whatever promises of undying loyalty were made to these players. At the same time, our competition is recognizing that things are not working out and are moving on and we are falling behind. You do not need to have 11 new players every year, but when the potential you are counting on and have already paid for does not materialize, your obligation ends. All keeping them around does is let the next batch know you can get to your junior year, play 13 minutes and have a stat line full of -0-, and nobody is talking about you losing a paycheck.
Quote from: connie on December 14, 2025, 08:53:28 AMOur Sophomores and Juniors are on this team because someone thought they could contribute. They were paid for their time. They are not producing. We can keep them around and keep whatever promises of undying loyalty were made to these players. At the same time, our competition is recognizing that things are not working out and are moving on and we are falling behind. You do not need to have 11 new players every year, but when the potential you are counting on and have already paid for does not materialize, your obligation ends. All keeping them around does is let the next batch know you can get to your junior year, play 13 minutes and have a stat line full of -0-, and nobody is talking about you losing a paycheck.
in sales (real world)...the kind of position many folks go into directly out of school, don't make #'s in two consecutive years, it's typically good bye, good luck. Paying players creates that dynamic. Don't produce?...good bye, good luck.
but RVG and our standing as the absolute paragon of virtue in college sports is destroyed if we do what Painter has done and take two graduate transfers in three years. It would make all of those RVG sweatshirts, pint glasses, and keychains for sale obsolete.
Or maybe Shaka is recruiting HS kids, so fragile bringing in one graduate transfer would destroy team chemistry like it did Purdue's in 2023-24. Oh, wait...
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 14, 2025, 08:31:18 AMafter yesterday's game I watched the UConn - Southern Cal women's game for awhile. I am not sure MU could beat the UConn women's team. Those girls are really good, play very aggressive team defense, shoot the lights out, rebound well, and move the ball constantly and effectively. In short, they do all the things well that MU doesn't. Yes, the MU guys would be bigger, bit I am not sure it would matter simply because the UConn women play beautiful team basketball. It makes me sad to say this.
MU would win 100 to 15 lol
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 14, 2025, 08:31:18 AMafter yesterday's game I watched the UConn - Southern Cal women's game for awhile. I am not sure MU could beat the UConn women's team. Those girls are really good, play very aggressive team defense, shoot the lights out, rebound well, and move the ball constantly and effectively. In short, they do all the things well that MU doesn't. Yes, the MU guys would be bigger, bit I am not sure it would matter simply because the UConn women play beautiful team basketball. It makes me sad to say this.
This is insane
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2025, 09:16:00 AMbut RVG and our standing as the absolute paragon of virtue in college sports is destroyed if we do what Painter has done and take two graduate transfers in three years. It would make all of those RVG sweatshirts, pint glasses, and keychains for sale obsolete.
Or maybe Shaka is recruiting HS kids, so fragile bringing in one graduate transfer would destroy team chemistry like it did Purdue's in 2023-24. Oh, wait...
Changing the model can't be as easily spun as some would suggest.
"Shaka never said he wouldn't use the portal" will be a common post on here if (and that's a big if) he does ultimately change his ways.
He specifically said that since they've had such good retention, which really means not losing players you don't want to lose, they haven't needed the portal. There is a very obvious difference between that and sending a low performing kid packing and replacing him with a better player. That's what is needed next season and that will be blatantly obvious to anyone that is what is happening and thus RGV will be dead.
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 14, 2025, 08:31:18 AMafter yesterday's game I watched the UConn - Southern Cal women's game for awhile. I am not sure MU could beat the UConn women's team. Those girls are really good, play very aggressive team defense, shoot the lights out, rebound well, and move the ball constantly and effectively. In short, they do all the things well that MU doesn't. Yes, the MU guys would be bigger, bit I am not sure it would matter simply because the UConn women play beautiful team basketball. It makes me sad to say this.
I'm a guy who spent countless hours coaching girls basketball and it is a great game but this is the most negative MU basketball and Shaka post ever.
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 14, 2025, 08:31:18 AMafter yesterday's game I watched the UConn - Southern Cal women's game for awhile. I am not sure MU could beat the UConn women's team. Those girls are really good, play very aggressive team defense, shoot the lights out, rebound well, and move the ball constantly and effectively. In short, they do all the things well that MU doesn't. Yes, the MU guys would be bigger, bit I am not sure it would matter simply because the UConn women play beautiful team basketball. It makes me sad to say this.
I realize we're all justifiably upset over the current state of MU basketball, but come on, man. There is no way you could possibly believe that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2025, 09:55:10 AMI realize we're all justifiably upset over the current state of MU basketball, but come on, man. There is no way you could possibly believe that.
What if the other team had Caitlin Clark
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 14, 2025, 09:43:31 AMChanging the model can't be as easily spun as some would suggest.
"Shaka never said he wouldn't use the portal" will be a common post on here if (and that's a big if) he does ultimately change his ways.
He specifically said that since they've had such good retention, which really means not losing players you don't want to lose, they haven't needed the portal. There is a very obvious difference between that and sending a low performing kid packing and replacing him with a better player. That's what is needed next season and that will be blatantly obvious to anyone that is what is happening and thus RGV will be dead.
Exactly! This is the outcome needed for Shaka and MU. But with a 15 man roster, I'm not sure why you can't have 2 transfers and 2 projects, or there about.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 14, 2025, 10:17:06 AMMU -75.
Marquette cant defend anyone. Caitlin Clarke would rip them to shreds. Imagine pick and roll with Caedin Hamilton getting switched onto her. She would put him in the shadow realm
Speaking of being like Matt, let's develop one of our project bigs the way he seems to develop every project big.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 14, 2025, 10:39:49 AMSpeaking of being like Matt, let's develop one of our project bigs the way he seems to develop every project big.
or better yet, take bigs that other schools, not just high majors, actually want and can play and contribute as a freshman:
https://247sports.com/player/daniel-jacobsen-46141941/
As a freshman, Edey came off the bench in 26 of his 28 games played, only averaging 8.7 points and 4.4 rebounds per game before bumping those averages up to 14.4 points and 7.7 rebounds as a sophomore.
Exactly.
MU doesn't have " projects " ...
Hamilton and Clark are 0 star guys that no one - no one - wanted.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2025, 10:47:38 AMor better yet, take bigs that other schools, not just high majors, actually want and can play and contribute as a freshman:
https://247sports.com/player/daniel-jacobsen-46141941/
As a freshman, Edey came off the bench in 26 of his 28 games played, only averaging 8.7 points and 4.4 rebounds per game before bumping those averages up to 14.4 points and 7.7 rebounds as a sophomore.
Painter's reputation with bigs has helped him land players like Jacobsen. Earlier on, he was succeeding with guys like Isaac Haas (3-star, 144 overall), Matt Haarms (3-star, 367 overall) and of course, Zach Edey (3-star, 436 overall).
Quote from: connie on December 14, 2025, 08:53:28 AMOur Sophomores and Juniors are on this team because someone thought they could contribute. They were paid for their time. They are not producing. We can keep them around and keep whatever promises of undying loyalty were made to these players. At the same time, our competition is recognizing that things are not working out and are moving on and we are falling behind. You do not need to have 11 new players every year, but when the potential you are counting on and have already paid for does not materialize, your obligation ends. All keeping them around does is let the next batch know you can get to your junior year, play 13 minutes and have a stat line full of -0-, and nobody is talking about you losing a paycheck.
Exactly. As I've stated numerous times Connie, this isn't 1st grade T-Ball. You either produce at the high D-1 level or you don't. If you're not capable and more than half the time you're basically a dumpster 🔥? Pack your bags. And if you don't recognize that you have an arsenal of q-tips as opposed to a lethal and unstoppable rebel force? As the leader of this tremendous MU hoops program? Buh-Bye. I'm sorry but it needs to be said. We're not just mediocre or even bad, we're an abomination that is almost too difficult to quantify. When the game is over, before it even starts, you have what I call unconscionable problems.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 14, 2025, 07:21:12 AMBut, I really think Shaka is too dug in on this, and too stubborn.
Hope I'm wrong.
I'm a never say never guy, so I'd say there is maybe a 2% chance of Shaka digging his heels in and being too stubborn to change. As the OP noted (and I agree) MU is not going to be getting 8-12 new players every year (and I would hate that). But 2-4? I can see that happening without Shaka having to abandon the RGV model. He'll do some tweaking next season. Shaka and basketball coaches in general are too competitive not to.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 14, 2025, 02:54:23 PMI'm a never say never guy, so I'd say there is maybe a 2% chance of Shaka digging his heels in and being too stubborn to change. As the OP noted (and I agree) MU is not going to be getting 8-12 new players every year (and I would hate that). But 2-4? I can see that happening without Shaka having to abandon the RGV model. He'll do some tweaking next season. Shaka and basketball coaches in general are too competitive not to.
Yes.
Add a proven:
Two badass bigs with skills on both ends
Attacking Switchable/Omax type
Lights out Shooter/Preferably 6'6 in the Rowsey mold that can also defend. Meaning a guy who can also lace J's off the dribble a la the stop and pop.
I'm not saying getting these guys is easy, but it simply must be done. Scour every corner of the Earth.
So just add 4 NBA players. Sounds easy enough.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 14, 2025, 03:30:39 PMSo just add 4 NBA players. Sounds easy enough.
I overshot a bit, but I think people get my point. At the end of the day you need weapons at various positions.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2025, 07:44:36 AMThis team is clearly bereft of high D-1 talent and that's on Shaka. And as many have pointed out, if you whiff on recruits, and they can't develop into solid rotational players, you're essentially fked if you don't use the portal. I mean there's no way to sugarcoat this fact. And I'm a big Shaka guy. I think he should be given the opportunity to turn things around next season. However, if we go into 2026-7 as we are presently constructed it's going to be super ugly.
First of all, I'm a big Shaka guy too. I think the world of him and I give him credit for what he's done in his first four years. That alone warrants a mulligan for this year. Period.
The broader concern I have is that almost nobody saw coming what we have so far this year. Yeah, nobody thought this team would be 1977 v2.0 but did anyone really think we'd be 0 for the BIG and barely get by Valpo? I know I didn't. I expected that Parham and Owens would step up and Hamilton would at least be serviceable. Maybe that will happen in the Big East season, but I'm not holding my breath.
When you add to the failure so far this year the apparent smugness the university appears to have in the RGV program, you begin to see some of the anger in here and at other sites.
For the rest of this year, the equation is really simple: figure out what Marquette has. Can Owens somehow revive his career? Are Stevens, Phillips, Parham and James the anchors around which next year's team is built? Most importantly, who needs to find a new home and what does Marquette seek in the portal?
It's possible that a light goes on and we go about 15-5 in the Big East. I think I'd be in cardiac arrest if that happened. I'll support this team and Coach Shaka as much if not more than ever, but barring a miracle, it's exam time and everyone is on the clock!
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 14, 2025, 08:38:16 PMFirst of all, I'm a big Shaka guy too. I think the world of him and I give him credit for what he's done in his first four years. That alone warrants a mulligan for this year. Period.
The broader concern I have is that almost nobody saw coming what we have so far this year. Yeah, nobody thought this team would be 1977 v2.0 but did anyone really think we'd be 0 for the BIG and barely get by Valpo? I know I didn't. I expected that Parham and Owens would step up and Hamilton would at least be serviceable. Maybe that will happen in the Big East season, but I'm not holding my breath.
When you add to the failure so far this year the apparent smugness the university appears to have in the RGV program, you begin to see some of the anger in here and at other sites.
For the rest of this year, the equation is really simple: figure out what Marquette has. Can Owens somehow revive his career? Are Stevens, Phillips, Parham and James the anchors around which next year's team is built? Most importantly, who needs to find a new home and what does Marquette seek in the portal?
It's possible that a light goes on and we go about 15-5 in the Big East. I think I'd be in cardiac arrest if that happened. I'll support this team and Coach Shaka as much if not more than ever, but barring a miracle, it's exam time and everyone is on the clock!
Well said Brother Dgies. I didn't see it coming either. I thought all of our guys would improve and that Caedin was a legitimate 5. I figured we'd probably be a 9-11 NCAA seed. Sadly not only have our players not improved, many have regressed. Even with how bad the BEast is, I'd be shocked if we do better than 5-15. And don't forget in a normal year for the BEast we probably go 2-18. Yes. See what we have moving forward. Play the youngsters.
Nm
Players have to compete for playing time within a team. So, you produce or you don't play a lot. So, the goal can still be recruiting high school kids, and then get a portal or two players.
Basketball is competing. Against other teams and against each other. That's how life is, as someone said about workers getting hired and have to produce. Excellence should be expected.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 14, 2025, 08:38:16 PMFirst of all, I'm a big Shaka guy too. I think the world of him and I give him credit for what he's done in his first four years. That alone warrants a mulligan for this year. Period.
The broader concern I have is that almost nobody saw coming what we have so far this year. Yeah, nobody thought this team would be 1977 v2.0 but did anyone really think we'd be 0 for the BIG and barely get by Valpo? I know I didn't. I expected that Parham and Owens would step up and Hamilton would at least be serviceable. Maybe that will happen in the Big East season, but I'm not holding my breath.
When you add to the failure so far this year the apparent smugness the university appears to have in the RGV program, you begin to see some of the anger in here and at other sites.
For the rest of this year, the equation is really simple: figure out what Marquette has. Can Owens somehow revive his career? Are Stevens, Phillips, Parham and James the anchors around which next year's team is built? Most importantly, who needs to find a new home and what does Marquette seek in the portal?
It's possible that a light goes on and we go about 15-5 in the Big East. I think I'd be in cardiac arrest if that happened. I'll support this team and Coach Shaka as much if not more than ever, but barring a miracle, it's exam time and everyone is on the clock!
I'd rather the light go on and win 4 straight in the BET, but like the UCONN women beating our men's team it's just all hyperbole and a reaction that this team like the Emperor has no clothes.
Truth is that college basketball and football is now big business and players are now paid employees - sometimes very highly paid employees. The old culture schtick and RGV simply may not be applicable in this new environment. RGV is a nice sentiment, but, in the meantime other coaches are using the transfer portal effectively to build better teams. As a matter of fact, the best player Shaka has brought to MU (TK) was a transfer.
So, what do you do in business with under-performing or non-performing employees? You get rid of them and replace them with someone else. Hamilton, Jones, Lowery, and Norman are not going to leave voluntarily. Shaka is going to have to show them the door. Owens is a question mark. He is not showing much so far but you probably can't replace more than two or three guys at a time.
I hate the whole transfer portal system and particularly hate to see players moving to different teams every year. But, that's the system we have now. I admire Shaka's principles, but I also think his stubbornness is jeopardizing the program. Programs like Purdue seem to be able to marry the RGV concept with limited use of the portal, so Shaka could do that too if he wanted. But, the holier than thou RGV stuff is wearing thin.
Quote from: Daniel on December 14, 2025, 09:27:25 PMPlayers have to compete for playing time within a team. So, you produce or you don't play a lot. So, the goal can still be recruiting high school kids, and then get a portal or two players.
Basketball is competing. Against other teams and against each other. That's how life is, as someone said about workers getting hired and have to produce. Excellence should be expected.
The concept put forward here that the current players will be negatively affected by transfers assumes one of two things:
1. Shaka has assembled a group that has no stomach for competition. or
2. Shaka promised he would never accept transfers and he would cause problems by not standing by his word.
1. seems impossible to believe and 2. while highly doubtful, but if true, would be a major red flag concerning Shaka's decision making and leadership. But, a good leader, which I still believe Shaka is, can and will admit errors and course correct. Assuming MU players still believe in Shaka (99% sure they do) they will accept and probably respect Shaka for admitting an error and resetting the strategy for the betterment of the team.
I think if certain promises were made relating to NIL, we may have to allow time for the budget to sort itself out. If Shaka is committed to giving MU and himself transfer player flexibility, I think it would be reasonable for MU to suffer another bad year in 2026 to clear the books and move forward.
Anyways, maybe I'm wrong but that's the way I see it.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=nil%20deals%20pros%20and%20cons&mid=1DA2935403685D761A1B1DA2935403685D761A1B&ajaxhist=0
Insight into how NIL works.
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 15, 2025, 08:18:16 AMTruth is that college basketball and football is now big business and players are now paid employees - sometimes very highly paid employees. The old culture schtick and RGV simply may not be applicable in this new environment. RGV is a nice sentiment, but, in the meantime other coaches are using the transfer portal effectively to build better teams. As a matter of fact, the best player Shaka has brought to MU (TK) was a transfer.
So, what do you do in business with under-performing or non-performing employees? You get rid of them and replace them with someone else. Hamilton, Jones, Lowery, and Norman are not going to leave voluntarily. Shaka is going to have to show them the door. Owens is a question mark. He is not showing much so far but you probably can't replace more than two or three guys at a time.
I hate the whole transfer portal system and particularly hate to see players moving to different teams every year. But, that's the system we have now. I admire Shaka's principles, but I also think his stubbornness is jeopardizing the program. Programs like Purdue seem to be able to marry the RGV concept with limited use of the portal, so Shaka could do that too if he wanted. But, the holier than thou RGV stuff is wearing thin.
Another topic related to Shaka's stubbornness is player agents. I'll admit, I don't know if
he absolutely will not deal with an agent or not, but it is an issue that has been mentioned on the board. There was an intimation that things cooled with Morillo because he had an agent.
To repeat, or as the politicians say, "to be clear," I don't know if this is a true black and white issue with Shaka. If it is, it's likely to hurt his and MU's chances of building good teams. Since NIL, the money has increased significantly, and will likely continue to do so. The more money that's out there, the more agents there will be, and even kids outside the top 50 will be showing up with them.
I am totally with those who say that Shaka has shown me enough the first four years that his seat shouldn't be warm at this point. Failure to change, failure to adjust, and bringing out
another version of a team like this next year would completely change my mind as to his tenure.
Trash - I think Shaka has assembled a team lacking ( somewhat ) in a true stomach for competition.
Where's the Alpha ? It's not Ross.
Where's the fire ? There's sure as hell no TKO on this team. Just another in the long list of problems w / this roster.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 15, 2025, 11:55:23 AMTrash - I think Shaka has assembled a team lacking ( somewhat ) in a true stomach for competition.
Where's the Alpha ? It's not Ross.
Where's the fire ? There's sure as hell no TKO on this team. Just another in the long list of problems w / this roster.
I guess anything is possible and I can see why you might draw that conclusion. It just seems hard to believe that A) these players could get to a Big East program without a passion for competition and B) Shaka and his assistant could be so unaware of the character of the players they recruit. I thought he was all about relationships?
Quote from: panda on December 14, 2025, 10:20:18 AMMarquette cant defend anyone. Caitlin Clarke would rip them to shreds. Imagine pick and roll with Caedin Hamilton getting switched onto her. She would put him in the shadow realm
Double, recover. The others aren't beating you 4 on 3.
What are we doing here?
Quote from: BM1090 on December 15, 2025, 01:09:10 PMDouble, recover. The others aren't beating you 4 on 3.
What are we doing here?
I don't think you've watched enough women's basketball. This marquette team somehow significantly worse defensively than Wojo's worst teams. Caitlin Clark would absolutely shred them to bits. If a woman can't defend her you think these clowns can?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 15, 2025, 11:28:48 AMAnother topic related to Shaka's stubbornness is player agents. I'll admit, I don't know if
he absolutely will not deal with an agent or not, but it is an issue that has been mentioned on the board. There was an intimation that things cooled with Morillo because he had an agent.
To repeat, or as the politicians say, "to be clear," I don't know if this is a true black and white issue with Shaka. If it is, it's likely to hurt his and MU's chances of building good teams. Since NIL, the money has increased significantly, and will likely continue to do so. The more money that's out there, the more agents there will be, and even kids outside the top 50 will be showing up with them.
I am totally with those who say that Shaka has shown me enough the first four years that his seat shouldn't be warm at this point. Failure to change, failure to adjust, and bringing out
another version of a team like this next year would completely change my mind as to his tenure.
Egbuonu has an agent.
My understanding is he doesn't care if the player has an agent. The issue is he will not negotiate NIL with an agent because of how Marquette structures the compensation.
The payment structure is what is and there is no negotiation.
If that above is incorrect, happy to be corrected.
Quote from: panda on December 15, 2025, 02:09:11 PMI don't think you've watched enough women's basketball. This marquette team somehow significantly worse defensively than Wojo's worst teams. Caitlin Clark would absolutely shred them to bits. If a woman can't defend her you think these clowns can?
Yes.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 15, 2025, 02:30:27 PMYes.
ya but have you ever seen caitlin clark miss a shot? hard to defend that
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 15, 2025, 02:30:08 PMEgbuonu has an agent.
My understanding is he doesn't care if the player has an agent. The issue is he will not negotiate NIL with an agent because of how Marquette structures the compensation.
The payment structure is what is and there is no negotiation.
If that above is incorrect, happy to be corrected.
Got it. Thanks, Blue.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 15, 2025, 03:59:37 PMPanda got you! ;D
No gotcha here. I don't understand what you're talking about ;-)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 15, 2025, 02:30:08 PMEgbuonu has an agent.
My understanding is he doesn't care if the player has an agent. The issue is he will not negotiate NIL with an agent because of how Marquette structures the compensation.
The payment structure is what is and there is no negotiation.
If that above is incorrect, happy to be corrected.
Yes MU has a collective NIL, but players can get external NIL deals.