Ughhh. I've never been so depressed and embarrassed as an MU fan.
Caedin just made a layup.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 02:45:41 PMUghhh. I've never been so depressed and embarrassed as an MU fan.
Who cares new team next year, and it can't be worse than this. Might go 15-15 next year, and thats still better than this.
Subs getting some run. DO with a glimpse of what he could bring
Shaka showing the foolishness of staying out of the portal
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 13, 2025, 02:51:45 PMSubs getting some run. DO with a glimpse of what he could bring
There have been a few members of the Big East All Glimpse team over the last year or two. Wish one of them would get beyond that level
I thought Royce was decent but that's about it.
PLAY PHILLIPS.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 03:00:08 PMPLAY PHILLIOS.
No joke... He is already better than zaide.
But that has more to do with how bad this team is
Phillips. Best jumper on the roster. Live with the mistakes, it will be worth it.
Time to give Phillips, Owens, and Clark minutes.
Not sure what's happened to Zaide.
Sean is very, very bad. Can't shoot and can't distribute. Essentially dribbles around without a plan.
Hamilton should be unplayable - him continuing to get minutes is perhaps the most bewildering thing for me.
If Phillips played more, the defense would have to come out and MU would get more wide open layups. Ehh, never mind
On a positive note, it's over.
0-5 vs P5 opponents, with average margin of defeat being 14.2 points.
Phillips deserves playing time. At least we would have a shooter on the floor
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 13, 2025, 02:51:45 PMSubs getting some run. DO with a glimpse of what he could bring
Which was what?
I would start the 3 frosh with Chase and Ben. Zaide and Sean have been major disappointments. We have nothing to play for other than developing players for next year as far as I can tell. I'm lost as to what Caedin gives us to be frank.
What exactly is our offense? Ty.
I said in the game thread that this was the best first half we played. At that point we were down 9, on the road, to #6 in the country. If we were even remotely competent on the offensive end we could have had the lead, on the road, to #6. It all fell apart shortly after but to that point it was the best effort of the season.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 13, 2025, 02:55:39 PMI thought Royce was decent but that's about it.
Parham had 19, and shot 50% from the field and the three. Played 27 minutes, one less than Ross. I still have faith in him.
MU again with over 30 three attempts, going 8 for 31. Stats were raised by Phillip's two late ones. He was 2-3 and Parham 3 for 6. Others, not so good.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 13, 2025, 03:08:00 PMI said in the game thread that this was the best first half we played. At that point we were down 9, on the road, to #6 in the country. If we were even remotely competent on the offensive end we could have had the lead, on the road, to #6. It all fell apart shortly after but to that point it was the best effort of the season.
I'm not sure about that. Purdue wasn't exactly playing or shooting well.
Because up to that point in the game, our defense was pretty good, lots of effective ball pressure and Purdue hadn't yet realized they could score at will in the post. Listen, we weren't good, but it was the best I had felt about a performance so far this year.
I see the coaching demeanor of Shaka has also changed. Looked almost frozen today. I forget exact possession (I think it was when Parham missed floater in paint, grabbed own rebound and got blocked), but he just stood there. Nothing shouted at Parham, officials or bench. Just resignation at defeat.
Bench perked up later in 2nd but they too looked pretty quiet for stretches.
Just looks like a group that knows what they are (not very good).
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 13, 2025, 03:13:10 PMBecause up to that point in the game, our defense was pretty good, lots of effective ball pressure and Purdue hadn't yet realized they could score at will in the post. Listen, we weren't good, but it was the best I had felt about a performance so far this year.
It mirrored the IU game and the Whisky game to a degree. "Not good" is being inordinately kind. We're like a #250 team.
That was truly a gentleman's blowout. Painter even tried to keep it under 20 and we couldn't do it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 03:10:03 PMPurdue wasn't exactly playing or shooting well.
Agree. There are more than 20 pts. between these teams if both play their average games.
Obviously, the big problem is the bigs. Ben's not really a 5 and except for the minutes Royce
slides over, we got project city down low. Ojiofor had to have been salivating if he watched this one.
The other major deficiency is 3-pt. shooting. Phillips II just has to see the floor more. If I were coaching, there would be no need for 22 to ever take off the warmup jacket - play Nigel and Adrien.
The other other big problem is the coaching. There are five positions and one of them is center. We need a real one. We shall see if Shaka has the onions to make the personnel changes that will prevent next year from being as bad as this one.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 03:19:48 PMIt mirrored the IU game and the Whisky game to a degree. "Not good" is being inordinately kind. We're like a #250 team.
Separate the end result from the first 15 minutes. The first 15 minutes we were decent, as good as we've been all year. Too bad we turned it over a ton and can't shoot at all.
And the worst thing about this game was our front line. Couldn't do anything about Purdue's bigs scoring at will.
One thing that trumps not be recruited over in the portal are parents of players that want their kid to be on a competitive team to better showcase their talents. MU better be prepared to up the money on the players they identify as part of the solution to the talent gap we now have with other major conference teams. RP, AS, NJ, SP and MP and possibly IM. None of these players can transfer or it's a step backwards from this year.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 13, 2025, 03:28:15 PMOne thing that trumps not be recruited over in the portal are parents of players that want their kid to be on a competitive team to better showcase their talents. MU better be prepared to up the money on the players they identify as part of the solution to the talent gap we now have with other major conference teams. RP, AS, NJ, SP and MP and IM. None of these players can transfer or it's a step backwards from this year.
Miletic is a must keep? Based on what?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 13, 2025, 03:28:15 PMOne thing that trumps not be recruited over in the portal are parents of players that want their kid to be on a competitive team to better showcase their talents. MU better be prepared to up the money on the players they identify as part of the solution to the talent gap we now have with other major conference teams. RP, AS, NJ, SP and MP and IM. None of these players can transfer or it's a step backwards from this year.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 13, 2025, 03:28:15 PMOne thing that trumps not be recruited over in the portal are parents of players that want their kid to be on a competitive team to better showcase their talents. MU better be prepared to up the money on the players they identify as part of the solution to the talent gap we now have with other major conference teams. RP, AS, NJ, SP and MP and IM. None of these players can transfer or it's a step backwards from this year.
100% This is a HUGE concern.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 13, 2025, 03:06:06 PMWhich was what?
Played aggressively on both ends, rebounded, took care of the ball. It ain't much, but it was improvement and he showed more in his 10 minutes than several guys ahead of him in the rotation.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 13, 2025, 03:24:40 PMSeparate the end result from the first 15 minutes. The first 15 minutes we were decent, as good as we've been all year. Too bad we turned it over a ton and can't shoot at all.
They also turned it over in the 1st H. I can't think of a single thing our team does consistently well. We also have no leadership or defined roles whatsoever. This team is piss poor fundamentally, and for reasons unknown, several of our returning players have gotten worse.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 13, 2025, 03:31:02 PMMiletic is a must keep? Based on what?
Given the way the year is going, people don't want to hear about "intangibles, but I said to a friend before it was known that IM was going to redshirt, "I hope Ian sees the floor this year, for the sake of the team even more than for himself. I don't see any natural leaders on this team and Ian is always gathering up his teammates and keeping their heads up, coaching them on the floor when he has to." If the way he lead on the floor at RMHS was any indication, Marquette needs this young man going forward.
Quote from: chren21 on December 13, 2025, 03:34:36 PM100% This is a HUGE concern.
Look at the positives. If multiple guys transfer out, Shaka will have no choice but to use the portal. Could be a blessing in disguise...
IM.....And he is a very good shooter. More athletic than you think.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 13, 2025, 03:31:02 PMMiletic is a must keep? Based on what?
Should have said maybe. Depends on what they see in practice. But hard to know if the coaches assessments are reliable at this point.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 13, 2025, 03:40:16 PMShould have said maybe. Depends on what they see in practice. But hard to know if the coaches assessments are reliable at this point.
Is this to be read in the tone of "the two Bobs" scene in OfficeSpace?
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on December 13, 2025, 03:48:19 PMIs this to be read in the tone of "the two Bobs" scene in OfficeSpace?
Ha! Love that scene.
I'm glad you like Ian's upside as someone who has seen him play. It's good to hear. Need more shooters and length.
Guys to keep from this year's roster:
James
Phillips
Stevens
Guys who need to go down a couple levels:
Owens
Lowery
Norman
Jones
Guys who need to bag groceries:
Hamilton
Nevada Smith
Possible keepers with MASSIVE improvement:
Parham
Clark
Quote from: Pakuni on December 13, 2025, 03:35:27 PMPlayed aggressively on both ends, rebounded, took care of the ball. It ain't much, but it was improvement and he showed more in his 10 minutes than several guys ahead of him in the rotation.
Ii aint much....and it aint enough.
The worst part is that nowadays these kids are getting paid a sickening amount of money to play like this.
So they can all come away taking positives from a season like this.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 13, 2025, 04:48:57 PMThe worst part is that nowadays these kids are getting paid a sickening amount of money to play like this.
So they can all come away taking positives from a season like this.
Which is why none will transfer. Can't lose that big payday to sit on the bench. You got Norman making the same this year as end of the bench bucks players ffs..... Alright I'm being hyperbolic. I think
This is a collective failure, but I have to say that I'm astounded how bad our players are with basic fundamentals. I watch other teams and it just amplifies my horror at what I'm seeing from Shaka and our players. We are beyond undisciplined and there is ZERO cohesion on the floor.
Tre is making a couple million less than the Bucks cheapest bench players. There's no comparison between college and NBA pay.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 13, 2025, 05:03:19 PMTre is making a couple million less than the Bucks cheapest bench players. There's no comparison between college and NBA pay.
Sometimes there is. There are a few college dudes making more than nba guys
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 13, 2025, 05:03:19 PMTre is making a couple million less than the Bucks cheapest bench players. There's no comparison between college and NBA pay.
Unfortunately for us, Tre has no chance of leaving to the NBA.
He isn't making more anywhere else but here. We are stuck with him and everyone else next year. It is going to suck. I don't see any out unless Shaka mans up and cuts some guys loose.
When was the last time we had a team this terrible and is this one of the top five worst MU teams in the last 50 years?
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 13, 2025, 04:43:52 PMIi aint much....and it aint enough.
Enough for what? Playing time on a team going nowhere?
Quote from: Pakuni on December 13, 2025, 05:10:36 PMEnough for what? Playing time on a team going nowhere?
Enough to warrant meaningful minutes on a terrible team.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on December 13, 2025, 05:09:55 PMWhen was the last time we had a team this terrible and is this one of the top five worst MU teams in the last 50 years?
It's the worst Marquette team I can remember. Including the Wojo teams. My first MU solid memory I think was '89 or whatever was Tony Smith' Sr. season. Wojo had some really bad teams but I don't recall the feeling of not being competitive at all before halftime on a regular basis. I mean there isn't like say a thought that if we do A, B, or C we have a remote chance. We don't have a player than can get theirs, or change the game defensively, on the glass, drilling threes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on December 13, 2025, 05:09:55 PMWhen was the last time we had a team this terrible and is this one of the top five worst MU teams in the last 50 years?
https://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette (https://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette)
Per Torvik, we are currently the #104 team in the country. Wojos first and worst team (who finished the season 4-14 in conference) ended the year #84. Prior to this season that was the worst MU team listed on Torvik (going back to 2008). So a pretty good chance this is at least th worst MU team this century.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on December 13, 2025, 05:17:30 PMhttps://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette (https://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette)
Per Torvik, we are currently the #104 team in the country. Wojos first and worst team (who finished the season 4-14 in conference) ended the year #84. Prior to this season that was the worst MU team listed on Torvik (going back to 2008). So a pretty good chance this is at least th worst MU team this century.
I think there are clearly 200 teams better than us right now.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 13, 2025, 05:16:35 PMEnough to warrant meaningful minutes on a terrible team.
And yet Zaide, Sean and Caedin continue to see the floor.
<shrug>
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 05:18:40 PMI think there are clearly 200 teams better than us right now.
Yeah I don't think we've found our ranking floor yet, either
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 05:18:40 PMI think there are clearly 200 teams better than us right now.
You can't prove that
I can't disprove that. >:(
Some quotes from the presser:
On Owens and Phillips:
"That's a good start. Those guys, based on how they played today, should play more. But they got to keep getting better in practice as well. They've got to impact their teammates in practice, impact winning in practice. But those are two guys that, to me, stood out at the end."
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on December 13, 2025, 05:22:51 PMYeah I don't think we've found our ranking floor yet, either
What does playing well look like for us? I honestly don't know. We hit threes early against Oklahoma but we all know that's an aberration and the Sooners suck defensively. Forcing turns I thought would be our calling card but we have only 7 guys that are playable right now. If that. We occasionally drive and kick or Chase makes a shot in tbe paint, but I have no idea what exactly we're trying to do offensively.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 13, 2025, 05:26:24 PMSome quotes from the presser:
On Owens and Phillips:
"That's a good start. Those guys, based on how they played today, should play more. But they got to keep getting better in practice as well. They've got to impact their teammates in practice, impact winning in practice. But those are two guys that, to me, stood out at the end."
Translation: I have no answers.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 13, 2025, 05:22:35 PMAnd yet Zaide, Sean and Caedin continue to see the floor.
<shrug>
Yep. Would expect Zaide and Sean to continue to lose more time to frosh, and Damarius to get garbage time as he has.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 13, 2025, 05:26:24 PMSome quotes from the presser:
On Owens and Phillips:
"That's a good start. Those guys, based on how they played today, should play more. But they got to keep getting better in practice as well. They've got to impact their teammates in practice, impact winning in practice. But those are two guys that, to me, stood out at the end."
We talking about practice? We ain't talking about the game. We talking about practice, man.
Shaka should have had our rotations shored up by now. Instead, we have musical chairs and guys seemingly having no idea what they're doing out there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 05:16:52 PMIt's the worst Marquette team I can remember. Including the Wojo teams. My first MU solid memory I think was '89 or whatever was Tony Smith' Sr. season. Wojo had some really bad teams but I don't recall the feeling of not being competitive at all before halftime on a regular basis. I mean there isn't like say a thought that if we do A, B, or C we have a remote chance. We don't have a player than can get theirs, or change the game defensively, on the glass, drilling threes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Bob Dukiet's last two teams were very bad, worse than this one. KO's second team won only 11 games, but there was a lot of optimism with his first class (Mac, Key, Logtermann and Charles Brakes), plus the addition of Ron Curry.
What has happened to chase? Yes played awful in the last couple games. No confidence.He and Ben show no leadership. I think a line up of Parham, James, Stevens, Phillips and Clark might have a chance to compete.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 13, 2025, 05:40:24 PMBob Dukiet's last two teams were very bad, worse than this one. KO's second team won only 11 games, but there was a lot of optimism with his first class (Mac, Key, Logtermann and Charles Brakes), plus the addition of Ron Curry.
I remember the KO teams. You're right, you could see good things would eventually happen. Especially when Miller ran the Point. All I see with this roster is misery.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on December 13, 2025, 05:17:30 PMhttps://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette (https://www.barttorvik.com/team-history.php?team=Marquette)
Per Torvik, we are currently the #104 team in the country. Wojos first and worst team (who finished the season 4-14 in conference) ended the year #84. Prior to this season that was the worst MU team listed on Torvik (going back to 2008). So a pretty good chance this is at least th worst MU team this century.
So the positive is we may be seeing history in the making.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 13, 2025, 05:58:03 PMWhat has happened to chase? Yes played awful in the last couple games. No confidence.He and Ben show no leadership. I think a line up of Parham, James, Stevens, Phillips and Clark might have a chance to compete.
Going through the motions. I think he's extremely frustrated and can check out mentally.
observations from inside the arena:
-Mackey is probably the best college atmosphere I've experienced, and people around me were saying it was nothing like a Big Ten game. Decibel levels hit 104.
-I thought Purdue played at maybe 80% for most of the game. Nothing like seeing the bench cleared before the four minute timeout
-our PGs with a combined 0 points on 0/11 shooting. Sean was brutal upon coming into the game. He was a -16 on the day, James only a -2.
-Does Cadein have incriminating evidence on Shaka?
-Ben played relatively hard but was embarrassed by Cluff in the paint.
-The early offensive strategy was penetration into the paint then cutting baseline. Purdue figured that out pretty quickly. After that I don't know what our offensive strategy was.
-Royce played hard all the way through. I liked what I saw from Stevens and Phillips. On the contrary, Zaide. Ugh. And Chase didn't seem that into it today.
-Our rebounding was non-existent
-Purdue was running that 7-4 redshirt freshman out there for 16 minutes, but Shaka couldn't give Clark any time until garbage time. That doesn't give me much confidence in Clark.
-Speaking of Shaka, he didn't seem as into it as usual. Rather calm.
-I actually saw people who bought "RVG" gear.
It almost felt like we were a buy game today. No Purdue fan expected a loss or even a close game. I did hear more than a few "what happened to Marquette" comments from fans who remembered the Kam show from last season. Just two years ago, I was in the house to see us take down Illinois in Champaign, so I'm kind of asking the same question.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 13, 2025, 05:58:03 PMWhat has happened to chase? Yes played awful in the last couple games. No confidence.He and Ben show no leadership. I think a line up of Parham, James, Stevens, Phillips and Clark might have a chance to compete.
Chase and Ben are our two best players and deserve to play.
Aside from that, I'd like to see James, Stevens, Parham, Phillips, Owens and Clark get the bulk of remaining minutes.
I'd add Zaide to that group but he's clearly in the doghouse. I was very high on him going into the season.
I did a double take on Shawn.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 13, 2025, 05:03:19 PMTre is making a couple million less than the Bucks cheapest bench players. There's no comparison between college and NBA pay.
and Tre (and the others on the team) is not only getting a free Marquette education but is also getting more money now than any of their classmates who are paying for school will make within their first five to 10 years out of MU...and for many, ever.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 13, 2025, 06:06:54 PMChase and Ben are our two best players and deserve to play.
Say what now? Ben one of our two best players?
Quote from: PistolPete on December 13, 2025, 06:53:28 PMSay what now? Ben one of our two best players?
Yes. This has already been discussed multiple times and the analytics confirm as much.
Now, he's nowhere near as valuable as Chase and everyone else has been varying degrees of mediocre to awful, but that's the reality.
I've reached complete apathy. Knew we'd get smoked, didn't even watch or change plans to watch, I don't care cause it feels like they don't care.
Beyond depressing.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 05:35:29 PMShaka should have had our rotations shored up by now. Instead, we have musical chairs and guys seemingly having no idea what they're doing out there.
He tried. He had the lineup of Nigel, Adrien/Zaide, Chase, Royce, Ben pretty locked in as his go to lineup for key stretches when there were signs of life.
Even at that time, however, he oddly used Caedin in key stretches.
Many of us, including myself, thought that lineup could be usable and effective and grow as the season progressed.
Not quite, so now he's scuffling and throwing spaghetti at the wall trying to find something that sticks, like he did early in the season.
Ain't nothin stickin though
One change that should happen in the off season is Nevada Smith has to go. Too big of a disconnect between the "offense" he runs and the players we have/what Shaka recruits
You know it's bad when ur calling for assistant coaches to get canned. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel
Quote from: Johnny B on December 13, 2025, 07:16:04 PMYou know it's bad when ur calling for assistant coaches to get canned. Really scraping the bottom of the barrel
The assistant to the traveling secretary needs to go also.
Quote from: onepost on December 13, 2025, 07:02:25 PMI've reached complete apathy. Knew we'd get smoked, didn't even watch or change plans to watch, I don't care cause it feels like they don't care.
Beyond depressing.
Agree. It appears they care about their inner team relationships but not about us or winning unfortunately. It is beyond depressing.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on December 13, 2025, 03:38:47 PMGiven the way the year is going, people don't want to hear about "intangibles, but I said to a friend before it was known that IM was going to redshirt, "I hope Ian sees the floor this year, for the sake of the team even more than for himself. I don't see any natural leaders on this team and Ian is always gathering up his teammates and keeping their heads up, coaching them on the floor when he has to." If the way he lead on the floor at RMHS was any indication, Marquette needs this young man going forward.
You're right, zero interest in hearing about intangibles watching this dumpster fire.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2025, 05:16:52 PMIt's the worst Marquette team I can remember. Including the Wojo teams. My first MU solid memory I think was '89 or whatever was Tony Smith' Sr. season. Wojo had some really bad teams but I don't recall the feeling of not being competitive at all before halftime on a regular basis. I mean there isn't like say a thought that if we do A, B, or C we have a remote chance. We don't have a player than can get theirs, or change the game defensively, on the glass, drilling threes, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
definitely Dukiet's 3 yrs, or Deane yr 5 were harsh. Woj got it respectable in yr 2 after Buzz took a dump on the program, but this current team is garbage. Just embarrassing.I wonder what Shaka & staff actually think? Staring at what, 3 wins in conference?
Quote from: Viper on December 13, 2025, 08:05:53 PMdefinitely Dukiet's 3 yrs, or Deane yr 5 were harsh. Woj got it respectable in yr 2 after Buzz took a dump on the program, but this current team is garbage. Just embarrassing.I wonder what Shaka & staff actually think? Staring at what, 3 wins in conference?
I thought 6 because of how bad the BEast is, but now I'm not sure we get 3. I don't know if we're better than DePaul. We're definitely not better than the other 9 teams.
The first time since 1997 that we lost consecutive games by 20. Good news, we made the tourney that year. Bad news, weve lost three by 20 or more this season, unlike that season.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 13, 2025, 07:26:20 PMThe assistant to the traveling secretary needs to go also.
We don't deserve to stay in that Ramada
The fact is that MU could have gotten the same results paying a coach 250K and the team 10K. Every dollar spent over that amount is money down the drain. No corporation would overpay for such awful returns. Most CEOs (ADs/Coaches) would be shown the door by now. We're MU so we'll be forced to grossly overpay for an awful product for another season.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 13, 2025, 10:22:50 PMThe fact is that MU could have gotten the same results paying a coach 250K and the team 10K. Every dollar spent over that amount is money down the drain. No corporation would overpay for such awful returns. Most CEOs (ADs/Coaches) would be shown the door by now. We're MU so we'll be forced to grossly overpay for an awful product for another season.
Well given Shakas ultimately judged on an annual basis I'd say it's more likely he'd be put on a PIP and shown the door if he didn't make the necessary adjustments.
Quote from: warriors141 on December 13, 2025, 07:12:44 PMOne change that should happen in the off season is Nevada Smith has to go. Too big of a disconnect between the "offense" he runs and the players we have/what Shaka recruits
Can't disagree with this more
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 13, 2025, 10:22:50 PMThe fact is that MU could have gotten the same results paying a coach 250K and the team 10K. Every dollar spent over that amount is money down the drain. No corporation would overpay for such awful returns. Most CEOs (ADs/Coaches) would be shown the door by now. We're MU so we'll be forced to grossly overpay for an awful product for another season.
Jesus, this is dumb.
On a positive note there will be plenty of minutes next year for anyone they pursue in the portal. Should be easier to sell the program
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on December 13, 2025, 11:54:53 PMOn a positive note there will be plenty of minutes next year for anyone they pursue in the portal. Should be easier to sell the program
They don't have spots available on the roster let alone minutes. These players aren't going to willingly turn down the amount of money Marquette is giving them because they are all overpaid. Shaka will have to kick them out and I just don't see it happening.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 13, 2025, 06:58:19 PMYes. This has already been discussed multiple times and the analytics confirm as much.
Nada
Quote from: DoctorV on December 13, 2025, 07:09:25 PMHe tried. He had the lineup of Nigel, Adrien/Zaide, Chase, Royce, Ben pretty locked in as his go to lineup for key stretches when there were signs of life.
Even at that time, however, he oddly used Caedin in key stretches.
Many of us, including myself, thought that lineup could be usable and effective and grow as the season progressed.
Not quite, so now he's scuffling and throwing spaghetti at the wall trying to find something that sticks, like he did early in the season.
Ain't nothin stickin though
Agreed. And I've never understood why people still throw spaghetti at their refrigerators. I know it's fun and all, but it's still stupid. You cook pasta close to al dente and finish it off for a minute or two in your sauce. And anyone who runs their pasta through sink water in their colander and then sauces it?? Don't ever speak to me about anything related to food or cooking again. That's a good example of poor discipline, focus, and lacking rudimentary intelligence. That simply cannot happen. Ever.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on December 13, 2025, 11:54:53 PMOn a positive note there will be plenty of minutes next year for anyone they pursue in the portal. Should be easier to sell the program
What a deal. Come to MU to get lots of minutes as a low major getting your ass kicked by Dayton and Valpo. That is the ultimate recruiting pitch.
We can only hope that Shaka finally realizes the futility of his strategy. No, I do not want him to bring in five or six portal guys every year - none of us want that. But, there are plenty of really good programs - Purdue and UConn for example - who bring in one or two transfers each season to shore up weak spots. I admire Shaka's principles, but eventually you have to accept reality.
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 14, 2025, 08:40:25 AMWe can only hope that Shaka finally realizes the futility of his strategy. No, I do not want him to bring in five or six portal guys every year - none of us want that. But, there are plenty of really good programs - Purdue and UConn for example - who bring in one or two transfers each season to shore up weak spots. I admire Shaka's principles, but eventually you have to accept reality.
agreed, 100%. Shaka isn't going to admit his strategy is a bust, of course. But, if a player does leave after this offseason, Shaka HAS to go to the portal, right?
Quote from: willie warrior on December 14, 2025, 07:37:02 AMWhat a deal. Come to MU to get lots of minutes as a low major getting your ass kicked by Dayton and Valpo. That is the ultimate recruiting pitch.
while getting a free education at one of the best schools in America and at least $400k a year for four (or five) years on top of that.
Everyone who feels Shaka should utilize the portal thinks that 6+ transfers a year is an equal failure to zero transfers.
First year coaches might have to deal with significant departures and bring in many transfers, but that's not Shaka.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 14, 2025, 10:01:43 AMEveryone who feels Shaka should utilize the portal thinks that 6+ transfers a year is an equal failure to zero transfers.
First year coaches might have to deal with significant departures and bring in many transfers, but that's not Shaka.
Izzo and Painter currently have top ten teams with a total of three transfers between them (and one for MSU is out for the season). Tell me where having 6+ transfers a year is necessary to use the Portal?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2025, 10:15:58 AMIzzo and Painter currently have top ten teams with a total of three transfers between them (and one for MSU is out for the season). Tell me where having 6+ transfers a year is necessary to use the Portal?
Exactly. 6 transfers would be troubling and I think a red flag, just like a zero transfer policy.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 13, 2025, 10:22:50 PMThe fact is that MU could have gotten the same results paying a coach 250K and the team 10K. Every dollar spent over that amount is money down the drain. No corporation would overpay for such awful returns. Most CEOs (ADs/Coaches) would be shown the door by now. We're MU so we'll be forced to grossly overpay for an awful product for another season.
For one down year after being incredibly successful his or her entire tenure? Yeah, I don't think that's how it works.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 14, 2025, 10:22:10 AMFor one down year after being incredibly successful his or her entire tenure? Yeah, I don't think that's how it works.
What do you call the second half of last season?
Quote from: panda on December 14, 2025, 12:18:56 PMWhat do you call the second half of last season?
I don't really look at seasons by the half season. We were a 7 seed, 4th in the Big East, and made the BET semifinals. You can discredit Shaka however you would like.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 14, 2025, 12:22:13 PMI don't really look at seasons by the half season. We were a 7 seed, 4th in the Big East, and made the BET semifinals. You can discredit Shaka however you would like.
Although I agree to extent, I think it's important to look at trends and there was a clear 1st half vs. second half trend shift last year that cannot be avoided in conversation. Especially when the trend continues into a following season.
I'm by no means trying to cherry pick results as you're implying. His teams underachieving has happened for awhile and is impossible to brush under the rug with the guise of, "last season was successful."
Quote from: wadesworld on December 14, 2025, 12:22:13 PMI don't really look at seasons by the half season. We were a 7 seed, 4th in the Big East, and made the BET semifinals. You can discredit Shaka however you would like.
What happened after that?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2025, 12:15:08 AMThey don't have spots available on the roster let alone minutes. These players aren't going to willingly turn down the amount of money Marquette is giving them because they are all overpaid. Shaka will have to kick them out and I just don't see it happening.
What exactly is the amount of money they're getting? Give me the amount per player.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 14, 2025, 08:57:56 PMWhat exactly is the amount of money they're getting? Give me the amount per player.
Enough to be flexing brand new vehicles around campus and jewelry and high end clothing and whatever else on their social media pages according to fans on Twitter.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2025, 09:44:07 PMEnough to be flexing brand new vehicles around campus and jewelry and high end clothing and whatever else on their social media pages according to fans on Twitter.
A MU video last year showed Chase pulling up to the Al in an X3. Maybe his parents bought it for him, I'm not going to judge him for that, but why is he driving from Humphrey to the Al?
Purdue covered the spread.....
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2025, 09:44:07 PMEnough to be flexing brand new vehicles around campus and jewelry and high end clothing and whatever else on their social media pages according to fans on Twitter.
Those are independent NIL deals not MU money. So I just want a figure on what each player is being payed directly by MU.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 14, 2025, 09:58:34 PMA MU video last year showed Chase pulling up to the Al in an X3. Maybe his parents bought it for him, I'm not going to judge him for that, but why is he driving from Humphrey to the Al?
So you are going to judge him for driving from Humphrey to the Al?
Lol
Quote from: We R Final Four on Today at 08:50:28 AMSo you are going to judge him for driving from Humphrey to the Al?
Lol
Did I say I was judging him? No, But driving five blocks? I don't understand that. It's not like the MU campus is like Madison, Michigan, MSU, etc.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 08:54:40 AMDid I say I was judging him? No, But driving five blocks? I don't understand that. It's not like the MU campus is like Madison, Michigan, MSU, etc.
Saving his energy for EGBs.
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 08:59:30 AMSaving his energy for EGBs.
Watching him on Saturday, I guess he walked to the Al on Friday.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 13, 2025, 05:40:24 PMBob Dukiet's last two teams were very bad, worse than this one. KO's second team won only 11 games, but there was a lot of optimism with his first class (Mac, Key, Logtermann and Charles Brakes), plus the addition of Ron Curry.
Dukiet was my first two years at MU. At least we had Tony Smith and Trevor Powell.
There definitely was a lot more optimism after KO's arrival.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on Today at 09:33:13 AMDukiet was my first two years at MU. At least we had Tony Smith and Trevor Powell.
There definitely was a lot more optimism after KO's arrival.
Definitely. Even in the lean years, we had some players with potential that could pull an upset. It provided a glimmer of hope and optimism.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 08:54:40 AMDid I say I was judging him? No, But driving five blocks? I don't understand that. It's not like the MU campus is like Madison, Michigan, MSU, etc.
No...you said you weren't judging him.....and then proceeded to judge him.....twice. Who gives a sheet if he drives to practice. Odd