I find myself growing increasingly frustrated after each postgame as Shaka rolls out the same cliches, the same excuses for why his team continuously fails to execute. And I ask myself each time, "Is he so daft that he doesn't understand this is absolutely not working?"
I have a great deal of respect for Shaka. I think he is a great, intelligent man. He's the type of person I want leading my program. But he's made so many decisions in the last year that shake me to my core. Can someone like this really not see what's happening right in front of him? Can he really think a frontcourt of Clark and Hamilton can win in the Big East? Can he think this roster construction makes any sense at all?
A key aspect to his approach is "relationships." He has loyalty to his guys. He respects those who put in the effort here at Marquette. So I wonder, does he see the writing on the wall, but understand it isn't nice to rip the players clearly not cut out for the roles he's thrust them into? Could his words and actions eventually contradict each other, as he does what must be done next offseason?
Don't read too much into post game comments.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 08:06:12 PMDon't read too much into post game comments.
I think it's fair when they back up his actions. Not taking Hamilton out of the starting lineup shows a complacency to me.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 08:04:56 PMA key aspect to his approach is "relationships." He has loyalty to his guys. He respects those who put in the effort here at Marquette. So I wonder, does he see the writing on the wall, but understand it isn't nice to rip the players clearly not cut out for the roles he's thrust them into? Could his words and actions eventually contradict each other, as he does what must be done next offseason?
He's going to have some work to do after this year.
He wouldn't, nor should he, throw our players under the bus. He is going to remain positive because the roster isn't changing until the Spring. He made one lineup change already today.
I wouldn't be shocked if another isn't made in the coming games.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 08:07:05 PMI think it's fair when they back up his actions. Not taking Hamilton out of the starting lineup shows a complacency to me.
I guarantee you it's not due to "complacency."
I mean do you really want him to come out and point out the massive amounts of missing talent from trhe upper classmen?
Sure hope it's the latter. We'll find out in March/April I guess.
Link to presser?
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on December 06, 2025, 08:34:28 PMLink to presser?
They have posted the last couple pressers from losses.
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on December 06, 2025, 08:34:28 PMLink to presser?
https://youtu.be/IRXNZ5wZhh8
Here you go. Marquette won't post them for some reason.
Has to protect the brand
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on December 06, 2025, 08:28:34 PMI mean do you really want him to come out and point out the massive amounts of missing talent from trhe upper classmen?
He won't, because they are his boys.
Shakes you to the core?
No coach is going to cone out and say their roster sucks in the middle of a season.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2025, 08:48:34 PMNo coach is going to cone out and say their roster sucks in the middle of a season.
Well, unless that coach is Rick Pitino.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2025, 08:48:34 PMShakes you to the core?
No coach is going to cone out and say their roster sucks in the middle of a season.
How could you forget this classic huggy bear rant??
https://www.nbcsports.com/college-basketball/news/bob-huggins-tees-off-on-teams-effort-apologizes-to-west-virginia-fans
Fair, fair. Very few coaches will come out and say that in the middle of the season.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2025, 09:21:49 PMFair, fair. Very few coaches will come out and say that in the middle of the season.
An aside...this is still the best story about a coach in the modern era
QuoteQuinn Slazinski has an incredible story about his time at Iona with Rick Pitino.
Slazinski was asked about Pitino following West Virginia beating UCF Tuesday. Slazinski played for Pitino at Iona before the coach left for St. John's and he left for WVU. Little did people know he would share a story for the ages.
"I didn't box out and this was in practice. And he looks at me...I don't know if I can say this. Out of love, he said he will chop me up in seven pieces and send me back to Detroit, or Houston or wherever the bleep I'm from," Slazinski told the media Tuesday.
"Out of love."
https://x.com/cbeasmoresports/status/1997329707142914254?s=46&t=XcHvMHlRF0oCgzQY_T0_eg
For those asking how you want Shaka to act in these pressers, it would be nice if he showed a shred of this accountability.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 09:44:26 PMhttps://x.com/cbeasmoresports/status/1997329707142914254?s=46&t=XcHvMHlRF0oCgzQY_T0_eg
For those asking how you want Shaka to act in these pressers, it would be nice if he showed a shred of this accountability.
OMG, seriously just focus on the stuff that's important. Not the post game presser.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 08:07:05 PMI think it's fair when they back up his actions. Not taking Hamilton out of the starting lineup shows a complacency to me.
Agree. I love Caiden as a person he is awesome. But Caiden played about half the game today.
0 blocks 0 steals a turnover 1-5 from the field. Missed passes he did not make. The ball stops when it gets to him. Countless rebounds in his area he did not get and loose balls in his area he did not get.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 10:15:27 PMOMG, seriously just focus on the stuff that's important. Not the post game presser.
We've spent all afternoon focusing on stuff that's important. Look at the title of the thread you're in: presser comments are literally what we're talking about.
Back to hammering the point home that Shaka has no grasp on roster construction I go.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 06, 2025, 10:19:38 PMAgree. I love Caiden as a person he is awesome. But Caiden played about half the game today.
0 blocks 0 steals a turnover 1-5 from the field. Missed passes he did not make. The ball stops when it gets to him. Countless rebounds in his area he did not get and loose balls in his area he did not get.
Ffs. It's Caedin.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 10:24:28 PMWe've spent all afternoon focusing on stuff that's important. Look at the title of the thread you're in: presser comments are literally what we're talking about.
It's a dumb and irrelevant topic.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 10:37:59 PMFfs. It's Caedin.
How pedantic can you be Sultan... of Swat.......
Quote from: Johnny B on December 06, 2025, 10:45:43 PMHow pedantic can you be Sultan... of Swat.......
Very.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 10:38:55 PMIt's a dumb and irrelevant topic.
Then take it up with the OP, my man. I thought it was relevant so I gave my thoughts.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 08:07:05 PMI think it's fair when they back up his actions. Not taking Hamilton out of the starting lineup shows a complacency to me.
He benched Ross for being stupid and getting a flagrant. Looked like he was really telling him he effed up.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 10:52:11 PMThen take it up with the OP, my man. I thought it was relevant so I gave my thoughts.
Your thoughts are inane.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 10:53:20 PMYour thoughts are inane.
Certainly not more inane than your complaining about having comments on a message board topic.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 10:55:28 PMCertainly not more inane than your complaining about having comments on a message board topic.
Certainly not more inane than your complaining about me complaining about having comments on a message board topic.
IOW, I win! WHOOP!!!
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 10:58:03 PMCertainly not more inane than your complaining about me complaining about having comments on a message board topic.
IOW, I win! WHOOP!!!
Amazing. I can only tip my cap and move on to the next thread we complain about each other's complaints.
Kudos Sultan, you win this round.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 11:02:14 PMAmazing. I can only tip my cap and move on to the next thread we complain about each other's complaints.
Kudos Sultan, you win this round.
I'm undefeated buddy. I own this place.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 11:02:14 PMAmazing. I can only tip my cap and move on to the next thread we complain about each other's complaints.
Kudos Sultan, you win this round.
I've been here for a short time, but it's become pretty clear whose opinion I can largely disregard here. If they don't think it's worth discussing, just ignore the input.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 11:05:48 PMI've been here for a short time, but it's become pretty clear whose opinion I can largely disregard here. If they don't think it's worth discussing, just ignore the input.
Dude, you could learn a lot from me.
For instance, don't pay attention to post game press conferences. They are absolutely meaningless. Nothing said is worthwhile.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 11:03:46 PMI own this place.
Well then, I've got a few bills you should reimburse.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 06, 2025, 11:31:25 PMWell then, I've got a few bills you should reimburse.
Actually you should be paying me.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 10:24:28 PMWe've spent all afternoon focusing on stuff that's important. Look at the title of the thread you're in: presser comments are literally what we're talking about.
Back to hammering the point home that Shaka has no grasp on roster construction I go.
Thank God for that!
Quote from: wadesworld on December 06, 2025, 11:50:05 PMThank God for that!
We're so close to being in lockstep WW, I can feel it. Like MUBB, we're gonna turn this around.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 10:15:27 PMOMG, seriously just focus on the stuff that's important. Not the post game presser.
I don't disagree that we shouldn't solely be looking to a post game presser for answers, but I think somewhere, in some way, Shaka needs to acknowledge that his way of doing things is the cause of this and he's willing to change.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 07, 2025, 12:18:50 AMI don't disagree that we shouldn't solely be looking to a post game presser for answers, but I think somewhere, in some way, Shaka needs to acknowledge that his way of doing things is the cause of this and he's willing to change.
He's not willing to change. He has basically already told us that. So he will just have to hope he starts hitting on better talent on the recruiting trail.
Nigel, Stevens, and Egbuonu seem to be that. Hopefully Pearson proves to be as well.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 07, 2025, 12:18:50 AMI don't disagree that we shouldn't solely be looking to a post game presser for answers, but I think somewhere, in some way, Shaka needs to acknowledge that his way of doing things is the cause of this and he's willing to change.
I can understand not publicly addressing the roster construction, I don't understand the self righteous, Bob Kight like arrogance. Maybe dumb reporters and idiot fans are beneath him?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 07, 2025, 12:28:51 AMHe's not willing to change. He has basically already told us that. So he will just have to hope he starts hitting on better talent on the recruiting trail.
Nigel, Stevens, and Egbuonu seem to be that. Hopefully Pearson proves to be as well.
In the presser, he talked about how this roster needs to grow, pointing at the guys on the floor at the end. That was mostly younger guys. I don't disagree there. There's potential.
The issue: Is he going to tell the older guys they need to go so he can replace them with transfers? They're the problem. All 15 scholarships are spoken for next year. That needs to change.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 07, 2025, 12:28:51 AMHe's not willing to change. He has basically already told us that. So he will just have to hope he starts hitting on better talent on the recruiting trail.
Nigel, Stevens, and Egbuonu seem to be that. Hopefully Pearson proves to be as well.
I don't believe Shaka is being honest. If not already, at some point self preservation will kick in.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 11:05:48 PMI've been here for a short time, but it's become pretty clear whose opinion I can largely disregard here. If they don't think it's worth discussing, just ignore the input.
Getting used to this board is fairly easy once you realize that any thought or opinion you share is far more likely to be met with antagonism than constructive dialogue.
There's a guy on here named Tower who you could usually count on for the latter, but it seems he's on vacation this season. Lucky him.
No press conference is worth listening to til the offseason. The roster isn't changing and actions speak louder than words. He's already inserted Stevens into the lineup. I'm sure there will be other rotation changes. But until the offseason, it's all deck chairs on the Titanic
The growth (or lack of) from our returning players is where Shaka whiffed. Tyko, Oso, Stevie, O-Max, and Kam all got better. And Mitchell was a game changer defensively. If you look at our returning guys, none of them have really improved. Including Chase. His usage is way higher so his numbers look stronger, but he's essentially the same player from the last few seasons. In his defense he's getting no help whatsoever, but the fact that he and none of our guards can really make consistent plays off the dribble vs a set defense is astounding to me. And the shooting is even more perplexing. We may very well be the worst shooting team in the country. This live by the 3, die by the 3 philosophy, isn't a recipe for ultimate success imo. Shaka has been bit by it with much better teams.
Yipers. Here we are at game 10.
22 more games to go.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 07, 2025, 12:18:50 AMI don't disagree that we shouldn't solely be looking to a post game presser for answers, but I think somewhere, in some way, Shaka needs to acknowledge that his way of doing things is the cause of this and he's willing to change.
He's not going to do that in that setting. He's not going to publicly do that at all.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 07, 2025, 12:28:51 AMHe's not willing to change. He has basically already told us that. So he will just have to hope he starts hitting on better talent on the recruiting trail.
Nigel, Stevens, and Egbuonu seem to be that. Hopefully Pearson proves to be as well.
When did he say he isn't willing to change?
I got to believe no point beating a lame horse.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 07:07:56 AMHe's not going to do that in that setting. He's not going to publicly do that at all.
True. But what is going to do after the season? Because running it back with our incoming class seems like basically a crap shoot.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2025, 07:13:59 AMTrue. But what is going to do after the season? Because running it back with our incoming class seems like basically a crap shoot.
We will find out when it happens.
But people who think he needs to be publicly accountable or something aren't thinking clearly. That's not how this works.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 06, 2025, 09:02:57 PMWell, unless that coach is Rick Pitino.
was thinking the same...or maybe Bobby Knight back in the day.
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 10:24:28 PMWe've spent all afternoon focusing on stuff that's important. Look at the title of the thread you're in: presser comments are literally what we're talking about.
Back to hammering the point home that Shaka has no grasp on roster construction I go.
...its Sultan. Just sayin'
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 10:38:55 PMIt's a dumb and irrelevant topic.
...and yet you posted anyway. Good grief, man
Quote from: Viper on December 07, 2025, 08:24:14 AM...and yet you posted anyway. Good grief, man
Yep. I am educating people on what is important. If you were smart you would heed my wise words. But...
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 07, 2025, 04:37:58 AMGetting used to this board is fairly easy once you realize that any thought or opinion you share is far more likely to be met with antagonism than constructive dialogue.
There's a guy on here named Tower who you could usually count on for the latter, but it seems he's on vacation this season. Lucky him.
cocktail of your choice is mandatory when scrolling through any Scoop thread. I'm sure you agree 🤣. (for that matter, cocktail of choice is mandatory while watching this current edition of Marquette basketball. Doing so, and hey, Caedin doesn't look so bad. Ben Gold even looks NBA worthy)
If you're expecting Shaka to walk into a press conference and start calling out individual players for playing terrible, you're crazy. That's not productive at all.
But it sure is happening behind the scenes already. Zaide was benched. Hamilton was finally benched to start the 2nd half yesterday. Phillips is playing over Owens now. Plenty of examples of Shaka starting to make changes that we haven't seen him do in prior years. And more will happen if the young guys keep outplaying vets.
Shaka was late to his postgame presser yesterday. If you think it was all sunshine and rainbows in the locker room, you've never been in a locker room after a loss like yesterday. Some guys were getting their asses chewed out for how they played in the biggest game of the year to date.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 07, 2025, 08:52:45 AMIf you're expecting Shaka to walk into a press conference and start calling out individual players for playing terrible, you're crazy. That's not productive at all.
But it sure is happening behind the scenes already. Zaide was benched. Hamilton was finally benched to start the 2nd half yesterday. Phillips is playing over Owens now. Plenty of examples of Shaka starting to make changes that we haven't seen him do in prior years. And more will happen if the young guys keep outplaying vets.
Shaka was late to his postgame presser yesterday. If you think it was all sunshine and rainbows in the locker room, you've never been in a locker room after a loss like yesterday. Some guys were getting their asses chewed out for their effort in the biggest game of the year to date.
Absolutely. The locker room I think is actually where Shaka is the best as a coach. He's not drawing up complex plays out of a timeout, and yes he needs to get more talent in the door, but I have no doubts the guy can manage that aspect of the job.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 07, 2025, 12:35:09 AMIn the presser, he talked about how this roster needs to grow, pointing at the guys on the floor at the end. That was mostly younger guys. I don't disagree there. There's potential.
The issue: Is he going to tell the older guys they need to go so he can replace them with transfers? They're the problem. All 15 scholarships are spoken for next year. That needs to change.
That's the conundrum right now. Shaka has created self-imposed limits on his flexibility, both in regards to the RGV model and using all 15 scholarships.
I just get the feeling Shaka won't outright cut a kid (I don't think that's what happened with Ellis or Itejere).
I don't have any info about how our NIL works - my rudimentary understanding is the classes get paid the same or similarly (not counting outside NIL deals) and you get a "raise" each season.
So if you're looking at it from the perspective of a Tre Norman, his compensation would likely be higher his senior year at Marquette mostly riding the bench vs. transferring down and getting more playing time. There's not the same incentive to transfer compared to when playing time was the main driver of that decision.
If my understanding of the above is wrong, someone can correct me.
In the future, it probably makes sense to use 14 scholarships and leave one for additional flexibility. Of course, the fear is that one of the guys we actually want to stay makes the decision to leave.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 07, 2025, 08:52:45 AMIf you're expecting Shaka to walk into a press conference and start calling out individual players for playing terrible, you're crazy. That's not productive at all.
Agreed, but neither is being a self righteous a-hole to the media and fans.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 09:08:12 AMI just get the feeling Shaka won't outright cut a kid (I don't think that's what happened with Ellis or Itejere).
I know Ellis saw the writing on the wall and wanted to be closer to home (Davenport, IA) which is why he initially transferred to Bradley. When that didn't work, he went wherever he could to get a scholarship, which is how he ended up in Louisiana.
Now it looks like he is at an NAIA school in Iowa, and even though he has been mentioned as playing in a couple of stories, doesn't look like he has any stats. So has he left the team?? Who knows...
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 09:08:12 AMThat's the conundrum right now. Shaka has created self-imposed limits on his flexibility, both in regards to the RGV model and using all 15 scholarships.
I just get the feeling Shaka won't outright cut a kid (I don't think that's what happened with Ellis or Itejere).
I don't have any info about how our NIL works - my rudimentary understanding is the classes get paid the same or similarly (not counting outside NIL deals) and you get a "raise" each season.
So if you're looking at it from the perspective of a Tre Norman, his compensation would likely be higher his senior year at Marquette mostly riding the bench vs. transferring down and getting more playing time. There's not the same incentive to transfer compared to when playing time was the main driver of that decision.
If my understanding of the above is wrong, someone can correct me.
In the future, it probably makes sense to use 14 scholarships and leave one for additional flexibility. Of course, the fear is that one of the guys we actually want to stay makes the decision to leave.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 09:08:12 AMI don't have any info about how our NIL works - my rudimentary understanding is the classes get paid the same or similarly (not counting outside NIL deals) and you get a "raise" each season.
So if you're looking at it from the perspective of a Tre Norman, his compensation would likely be higher his senior year at Marquette mostly riding the bench vs. transferring down and getting more playing time. There's not the same incentive to transfer compared to when playing time was the main driver of that decision.
Would like to know how they do it as well. My best guess is that it's more role based than class based, which in a perfect world go hand in hand. If there's a disagreement on the player's role, the NIL talks probably don't even start and they'd enter the portal. If they're in agreement, then they offer them a competitive package in that range for the role with maybe a small bump for time in the program.
I think Shaka gives these guys a fair "growth plan" when they get here and won't throw a wrench in it by recruiting over them, but at some point you have to have a difficult conversation and acknowledge that they're just not on the trajectory you thought. Guessing several of those conversations will soon be taking place, if not already.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 07, 2025, 10:16:06 AMI think Shaka gives these guys a fair "growth plan" when they get here and won't throw a wrench in it by recruiting over them, but at some point you have to have a difficult conversation and acknowledge that they're just not on the trajectory you thought. Guessing several of those conversations will soon be taking place, if not already.
I agree with this. I would be more shocked if Shaka was promising playing time than if he turned over 10 players next year. These players come from an experience of performance begets playing time. I don't think very good players would come to MU if they believed playing time was predetermined by seniority.
As I've said before, some of our best players may move on if they don't see Shaka filling in the holes in the roster by any means possible. Players still like to win.
The "old guys" are already losing playing time to the freshman. And based on recent performances it is going to keep happening even more. Despite all the relationship talk in the program, some guys will move on since they don't want to have a reduced role for their last year or two of college. It's not hard to speculate who that could be.
Quote from: JTJ3 on December 07, 2025, 10:29:13 AMThe "old guys" are already losing playing time to the freshman. And based on recent performances it is going to keep happening even more. Despite all the relationship talk in the program, some guys will move on since they don't want to have a reduced role for their last year or two of college. It's not hard to speculate who that could be.
With NIL in the mix I don't think it's that simple anymore. Playing time isn't the only driver of that decision.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 10:37:40 AMWith NIL in the mix I don't think it's that simple anymore. Playing time isn't the only driver of that decision.
What a freaking mess.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 10:37:40 AMWith NIL in the mix I don't think it's that simple anymore. Playing time isn't the only driver of that decision.
If Shaka is recruiting guys who care more about money than playing time or winning, then MU is screwed and Shaka is gone. This is a situation 180 degrees from RGV.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 11:02:55 AMIf Shaka is recruiting guys who care more about money than playing time or wining, then MU is screwed and Shaka is gone. This is a situation 180 degrees from RGV.
Hopefully they are "winers" who kin spel!
Quote from: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 07:09:45 AMWhen did he say he isn't willing to change?
As I recall it, Kolek asked Shaka to get a guy from the portal and he said nah. "Why we recruit over X when we believe he can grow"
Even if someone does leave on their own accord, we'll still have someone else on the roster that Shaka will believe can grow into that role.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 07, 2025, 01:37:54 PMAs I recall it, Kolek asked Shaka to get a guy from the portal and he said nah. "Why we recruit over X when we believe he can grow"
Even if someone does leave on their own accord, we'll still have someone else on the roster that Shaka will believe can grow into that role.
And then you wake up one day and Caedin Hamilton is starting.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 07, 2025, 01:37:54 PMAs I recall it, Kolek asked Shaka to get a guy from the portal and he said nah. "Why we recruit over X when we believe he can grow"
Even if someone does leave on their own accord, we'll still have someone else on the roster that Shaka will believe can grow into that role.
The beauty of this entire situation is Shaka job is to win games, so this will resolve itself in time.
For all of Wojo's positives, MU judged him on the results and not his process, system nor culture.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 07, 2025, 01:40:44 PMAnd then you wake up one day and Caedin Hamilton is starting.
Yup!
I don't think Shaka is dumb enough to start Caedin forever, but he also doesn't have many options right now aside from Parham which he started in the 2nd half yesterday, and that's also his fault so I don't feel bad for him. I also don't think he will punt Caedin out of the program like most winning programs would do. Hoping Sheek is good enough to be a starter next year or we may be right back in the same spot but without Ben in the mix.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 01:48:10 PMThe beauty of this entire situation is Shaka job is to win games, so this will resolve itself in time.
For all of Wojo's positives, MU judged him on the results and not his process, system nor culture.
Umm Broeker gave an interview where he said he was surprised at how disappointed the MU fanbase was with Wojo's cumulative work. I'm apprehensive that he may not have his finger on the pulse of what winning expectations the fanbase has.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 11:02:55 AMIf Shaka is recruiting guys who care more about money than playing time or wining, then MU is screwed and Shaka is gone. This is a situation 180 degrees from RGV.
Come on, dude. Of course he is not recruiting those guys but use some common sense.
He preaches relationships and family. If someone like Tre, who is very likely not going to play ball professionally, would forfeit a significant amount of money his senior year by transferring, you don't think that is going to play into Tre's decision making process? And rightfully so.
And in that hypothetical scenario, I don't think Shaka says "Sorry Tre, you're out."
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 07, 2025, 02:31:19 PMUmm Broeker gave an interview where he said he was surprised at how disappointed the MU fanbase was with Wojo's cumulative work. I'm apprehensive that he may not have his finger on the pulse of what winning expectations the fanbase has.
If the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February. As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways. So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable. This year could be a different story.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 02:58:22 PMCome on, dude. Of course he is not recruiting those guys but use some common sense.
He preaches relationships and family. If someone like Tre, who is very likely not going to play ball professionally, would forfeit a significant amount of money his senior year by transferring, you don't think that is going to play into Tre's decision making process? And rightfully so.
And in that hypothetical scenario, I don't think Shaka says "Sorry Tre, you're out."
If Tre can cut down on the really bad plays, he's just fine as an 8-12 minute guy next season.
Nonetheless, it's not a wild thought to imagine him going down to (another?) a mid-major school and getting heavy PT to wrap up his college career. Not a bad thing.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 07, 2025, 03:05:19 PMIf the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February. As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways. So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable. This year could be a different story.
I'm worried about what happens when the boos come out at home
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 07, 2025, 02:31:19 PMUmm Broeker gave an interview where he said he was surprised at how disappointed the MU fanbase was with Wojo's cumulative work. I'm apprehensive that he may not have his finger on the pulse of what winning expectations the fanbase has.
I seriously doubt the fans feelings were
very important in the decision to fire Wojo.
MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 02:58:22 PMCome on, dude. Of course he is not recruiting those guys but use some common sense.
He preaches relationships and family. If someone like Tre, who is very likely not going to play ball professionally, would forfeit a significant amount of money his senior year by transferring, you don't think that is going to play into Tre's decision making process? And rightfully so.
And in that hypothetical scenario, I don't think Shaka says "Sorry Tre, you're out."
I think it is reasonable for players to transition into guys who simply collect checks, it happens in other pro sports. Shaka is tasked with identifying those issues and dealing with it in an ethical way. Maybe as simple as reserving 1 or 2 spots for transfers?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 03:05:51 PMIf Tre can cut down on the really bad plays, he's just fine as an 8-12 minute guy next season.
Nonetheless, it's not a wild thought to imagine him going down to (another?) a mid-major school and getting heavy PT to wrap up his college career. Not a bad thing.
Tre has improved. He's fine as depth and I don't have an issue with him using a roster spot.
However, I'm skeptical that he would make the same or more NIL transferring down. Maybe I'm completely wrong on that.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 03:23:04 PMI think it is reasonable for players to transition into guys who simply collect checks, it happens in other pro sports. Shaka is tasked with identifying those issues and dealing with it in an ethical way. Maybe as simple as reserving 1 or 2 spots for transfers?
In this hypothetical, I'm not saying the only reason Tre or another guy would stay is the paycheck, but it's obviously now a major consideration.
And yeah, Shaka may want to start keeping one roster spot open for that additional flexibility.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 07, 2025, 04:07:55 PMTre has improved. He's fine as depth and I don't have an issue with him using a roster spot.
However, I'm skeptical that he would make the same or more NIL transferring down. Maybe I'm completely wrong on that.
Yes, I don't know what the market would pay for him. Would he be willing to enter the portal and see if he can find a bag AND get major PT? Maybe. I don't know and hopefully he doesn't know until a decision is made. The idea he may get the same or a bit more $$ playing elsewhere doesn't seem crazy to me tbh.
Quote from: Viper on December 07, 2025, 08:18:47 AMwas thinking the same...or maybe Bobby Knightback in the day.
Of course, coming from a total trash of a human being would be expected
Quote from: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 07:07:56 AMHe's not going to do that in that setting. He's not going to publicly do that at all.
Folks actually think that, 10 games into the season, a coach is going to use a postgame presser to say, "I've been wrong about everything all along, and I'm gonna make a 180-degree change to my philosophy." So funny.
Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 05:06:44 PMFolks actually think that, 10 games into the season, a coach is going to use a postgame presser to say, "I've been wrong about everything all along, and I'm gonna make a 180-degree change to my philosophy." So funny.
10, 20 or 30 games into the season, no coach would ever say that.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 07, 2025, 03:05:19 PMIf the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February. As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways. So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable. This year could be a different story.
I saw photos from the Valpo game showing a maybe 1/3 full student-section (and that was with the tarp covering the top rows). It reminded me of my student section experiences during the Deane years. Apathy is setting in among the students.
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I seriously doubt the fans feelings were very important in the decision to fire Wojo.
MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it.
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" MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it." Hoping you are correct. Not sure what the current Prez might know of MU's hoops pedigree, or the importance it is to the overall good.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 07, 2025, 05:28:53 PMI saw photos from the Valpo game showing a maybe 1/3 full student-section (and that was with the tarp covering the top rows). It reminded me of my student section experiences during the Deane years. Apathy is setting in among the students.
Absolutely. I was there and it was a terrible showing and I thought of the Deane years too.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 03:17:53 PMI seriously doubt the fans feelings were very important in the decision to fire Wojo.
MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it.
Summary...thought my just prior post deleted.
...Hopefully you are correct re: current MU Prez.. Hoops junkie like Father Wild was would be awesome. However, even if not, recognition of a successful MBB program to the overall good is critical imo.
Quote from: Viper on December 07, 2025, 05:38:08 PMSummary...thought my just prior post deleted.
...Hopefully you are correct re: current MU Prez.. Hoops junkie like Father Wild was would be awesome. However, even if not, recognition of a successful MBB program to the overall good is critical imo.
In the past 35 years has MU ever failed to make the tough or expensive decisions to support the team?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 05:49:31 PMIn the past 35 years has MU ever failed to make the tough or expensive decisions to support the team?
This.
And it's more than just the President, it's the Board of Trustees, and they fully know how much a successful Men's Basketball program means to the university. It wasn't just Lovell and Scholl who made the call on Wojo, my guess is it was the BOT who pushed that decision.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 05:12:32 PM10, 20 or 30 games into the season, no coach would ever say that.
Of course not. That at least a few Scoopers think he should is pretty laughable.
Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 05:06:44 PMFolks actually think that, 10 games into the season, a coach is going to use a postgame presser to say, "I've been wrong about everything all along, and I'm gonna make a 180-degree change to my philosophy." So funny.
Cool strawman.
He doesn't need to say that. Hopefully behind closed doors he's at least telling his boss his philosophy needs a real adjustment. "I need to do better" at a presser wouldn't hurt.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 07, 2025, 04:37:58 AMGetting used to this board is fairly easy once you realize that any thought or opinion you share is far more likely to be met with antagonism than constructive dialogue.
There's a guy on here named Tower who you could usually count on for the latter, but it seems he's on vacation this season. Lucky him.
This point is so good I looked up at your Avatar and thought it was smoking 🚬! 🦅
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 07, 2025, 08:44:57 PMCool strawman.
He doesn't need to say that. Hopefully behind closed doors he's at least telling his boss his philosophy needs a real adjustment. "I need to do better" at a presser wouldn't hurt.
If you've been reading Scoop, you'd know it's not a strawman. Some folks here seem to want him to admit during the season that his player-procurement philosophy has failed.
Agree with your last sentence. A coach should include himself when talking about his or her team's struggles.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 09:12:41 AMAgreed, but neither is being a self righteous a-hole to the media and fans.
WWCHRSSAT?
(What Would Cypress Hill's "Rock Superstar" Say About This?)
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 07, 2025, 03:05:19 PMIf the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February. As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways. So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable. This year could be a different story.
Which part of his final year were we "not completely out of the running for an at-large bid"
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on December 07, 2025, 09:18:42 PMWWCHRSSAT?
(What Would Cypress Hill's "Rock Superstar" Say About This?)
I can get behind sharing this link
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 07, 2025, 09:19:44 PMWhich part of his final year were we "not completely out of the running for an at-large bid"
Started the season 5-2, with wins over #4 Wisconsin and #9 Creighton.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 07, 2025, 10:35:18 PMStarted the season 5-2, with wins over #4 Wisconsin and #9 Creighton.
I think everyone knew WI wasn't actually the number 4 team that year. Genuinely can't remember the Creighton win.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 08, 2025, 09:57:00 AMI think everyone knew WI wasn't actually the number 4 team that year. Genuinely can't remember the Creighton win.
Everyone but the pollsters and KenPom, I guess.
That team slumped badly at the end of the year (kind of like another recent team from the state of Wisconsin), but spent the first half of the season in the top 10.
Anyhow, the point is, at 5-2 and with two top-10 wins, MU would have been a safe bet for the field at that point of the season.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 08, 2025, 10:18:00 AMEveryone but the pollsters and KenPom, I guess.
That team slumped badly at the end of the year (kind of like another recent team from the state of Wisconsin), but spent the first half of the season in the top 10.
Anyone, the point is, at 5-2 and with two top-10 wins, MU would have been a safe bet for the field at that point of the season.
And we were on the bubble most of the year. I had us in the field at 8-6 (4-4) on January 23rd before the 1-6 stretch that mostly killed our chances. That was a much better team than this one, though, IMO.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 05:49:31 PMIn the past 35 years has MU ever failed to make the tough or expensive decisions to support the team?
not that I'm aware of. Hopefully this trend continues.
Is there any hope? I can't remember being this depressed MU hoopwise. Even during the Wojo years. :(
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 08, 2025, 08:38:39 PMIs there any hope? I can't remember being this depressed MU hoopwise. Even during the Wojo years. :(
"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane."
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 08:54:01 PM"Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane."
Red made it Zihautaneo. This situation
may be more worrisome.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 06, 2025, 09:02:57 PMWell, unless that coach is Rick Pitino.
Yeah! Huggy Bear and Pitino are my generation and even Al would call out a player not cutting it. Of course back then the rules were different.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 09, 2025, 06:18:44 AMYeah! Huggy Bear and Pitino are my generation and even Al would call out a player not cutting it. Of course back then the rules were different.
What does "call out" a player mean?
I don't think calling out a player who lacks skill is leadership.
Unfortunately a few Marquette players lack talent, they can't shoot.
Does calling that out help? It probably makes the situation worse, it's called stress.
In the Wisconsin game Marquette had more shots, problem is many didn't go in.
What's the solution?
Slower pace, less defense, fewer substitutions, more zone, conserve energy, I haven't a clue. However, I don't think calling out a kid who can't make a basket solves anything.
If only we had a coach who would choke players, Marquette would be undefeated!
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2025, 11:05:16 AMIf only we had a coach who would choke players, Marquette would be undefeated!
Question: Al McGuire - Bernard Toone fist fight?
From Brave AI generated answer:
A physical altercation between Marquette basketball coach Al McGuire and player Bernard Toone occurred at halftime of the first-round NCAA Tournament game against Cincinnati in Omaha on March 17, 1977.
The confrontation, which took place in the locker room, was sparked by Toone's performance and his complaints about limited playing time.
According to multiple accounts, McGuire grabbed Toone, shoved him against a wall, and slapped him across the face.
Some witnesses recall McGuire lunging at Toone, attempting to grab him, and even swinging a chair, while assistant coach Rick Majerus intervened to prevent further escalation.
The incident, though intense, is widely regarded as a pivotal moment that galvanized the team, leading to a 15-point second-half comeback and ultimately a national championship.
McGuire later described the event as a necessary psychological catalyst, stating he "hit him, and the whole room ignited to break us apart".
The story has become legendary in Marquette basketball lore, symbolizing the intense, fiery coaching style that defined McGuire's tenure.
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Quote from: NCMUFan on December 09, 2025, 11:43:23 AMQuestion: Al McGuire - Bernard Toone fist fight?
From Brave AI generated answer:
A physical altercation between Marquette basketball coach Al McGuire and player Bernard Toone occurred at halftime of the first-round NCAA Tournament game against Cincinnati in Omaha on March 17, 1977.
The confrontation, which took place in the locker room, was sparked by Toone's performance and his complaints about limited playing time.
According to multiple accounts, McGuire grabbed Toone, shoved him against a wall, and slapped him across the face.
Some witnesses recall McGuire lunging at Toone, attempting to grab him, and even swinging a chair, while assistant coach Rick Majerus intervened to prevent further escalation.
The incident, though intense, is widely regarded as a pivotal moment that galvanized the team, leading to a 15-point second-half comeback and ultimately a national championship.
McGuire later described the event as a necessary psychological catalyst, stating he "hit him, and the whole room ignited to break us apart".
The story has become legendary in Marquette basketball lore, symbolizing the intense, fiery coaching style that defined McGuire's tenure.
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I think this is the time where Al McGuire glared at Toone and said "I'll kills you!" With the "s" and all.
Slap, choke, maybe punch. That's the way Shaka can turn this season around.
It surely would help him on the recruiting trail, too. What 17-year-old doesn't want physical altercations with his future coach?
Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 09:09:33 PMIf you've been reading Scoop, you'd know it's not a strawman. Some folks here seem to want him to admit during the season that his player-procurement philosophy has failed.
Agree with your last sentence. A coach should include himself when talking about his or her team's struggles.
You're clearly referencing me, but this absolutely is a strawman.
Again, never did I say or intimate that Shaka needs to come out and admit he's stupid and his philosophy failed and the team he assembled is terrible.
What does bother me is how defiant and combative he's getting in these pressers when guys who are overwhelmingly in his corner propose tepid about questions the portal or "do you have a message for fans". Pointing to results from years ago to explain things happening today, saying "we're not going to cancel the season", talking down to Ben Steele: I find that ridiculous from a guy like Shaka who we know to be a fantastic steward of MUB
He'll never throw his guys under the bus like that and no one is asking him to do that. There's a gray area, as always.
Quote from: onepost on December 09, 2025, 05:27:51 PMYou're clearly referencing me, but this absolutely is a strawman.
Again, never did I say or intimate that Shaka needs to come out and admit he's stupid and his philosophy failed and the team he assembled is terrible.
What does bother me is how defiant and combative he's getting in these pressers when guys who are overwhelmingly in his corner propose tepid about questions the portal or "do you have a message for fans". Pointing to results from years ago to explain things happening today, saying "we're not going to cancel the season", talking down to Ben Steele: I find that ridiculous from a guy like Shaka who we know to be a fantastic steward of MUB
He'll never throw his guys under the bus like that and no one is asking him to do that. There's a gray area, as always.
Gotta be honest, I think Ben would have to be pretty sensitive to think that's "talking down" to him. To me, that's a very normal response.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 09, 2025, 05:58:28 PMGotta be honest, I think Ben would have to be pretty sensitive to think that's "talking down" to him. To me, that's a very normal response.
I'm referencing when Ben asked about the portal after Dayton and Shaka responded with "Are YOU asking me that, Ben? No? Then I'm not gonna answer it." I think to be so dismissive and arrogant to a beat writer who's been nothing short of awesome for this program is beneath him. IMO.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 09, 2025, 05:58:28 PMGotta be honest, I think Ben would have to be pretty sensitive to think that's "talking down" to him. To me, that's a very normal response.
Gotta be honest that high major players who are ultra competitive would be pretty sensitive lose faith in Shaka if he brought in a few transfers to fairly compete for playing time.
Quote from: onepost on December 09, 2025, 05:27:51 PMYou're clearly referencing me, but this absolutely is a strawman.
Again, never did I say or intimate that Shaka needs to come out and admit he's stupid and his philosophy failed and the team he assembled is terrible.
Respectfully, it's not always about you.
Quote from: 1SE on December 06, 2025, 04:08:44 PMYes, an experiment that would have been cool had it succeeded but clearly hasn't.
But might as well fess up to that publicly now - maybe you get a few guys to transfer out which opens up some roster slots to bring 2 or 3 guys in.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 08:04:56 PMI find myself growing increasingly frustrated after each postgame as Shaka rolls out the same cliches, the same excuses for why his team continuously fails to execute. And I ask myself each time, "Is he so daft that he doesn't understand this is absolutely not working?"
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 07, 2025, 12:18:50 AMI don't disagree that we shouldn't solely be looking to a post game presser for answers, but I think somewhere, in some way, Shaka needs to acknowledge that his way of doing things is the cause of this and he's willing to change.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 06, 2025, 08:45:10 PMHe won't, because they are his boys.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 06, 2025, 07:03:14 PMThis isn't what fans want to hear right now. We're not watching our kids play T-Ball. ... It's about showing some frustration or anger about how we're playing. It's about being pissed that we look like one of the absolute worst teams in the country.
Just a few examples. Not a strawman.
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Quote from: onepost on December 09, 2025, 05:27:51 PMWhat does bother me is how defiant and combative he's getting in these pressers when guys who are overwhelmingly in his corner propose tepid about questions the portal or "do you have a message for fans".
We agree.
We are not alone.
Villanova got blown out tonight by M.
Looks like all the talent is now on four or five teams and we're not one of them.
Who is the best of the rest?
Quote from: vogue65 on December 09, 2025, 08:25:06 PMLooks like all the talent is now on four or five teams and we're not one of them.
Yep, Michigan, Indiana, Maryland, Oklahoma, Dayton and Wisconsin have all the talent. >:(
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2025, 07:32:49 PMRespectfully, it's not always about you.
Just a few examples. Not a strawman.
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We agree.
Jayzus, these aren't 5th graders who need participation trophies, they are adult professional athletes who are paid to put a ball through a hoop. Saying something like "we aren't executing like we need to make our offensive scheme work. That's on me and if we aren't able to start executing I'll need to rethink my offensive scheme or my roster construction" is all it takes - and maybe lights a fire under guys to do their JOB or else they'll be shown the door. The price of getting paid like a big boy is you have to take accountability for your performance like a big boy.
Otherwise might as well dish out some NIL to mugsy who can put 80%+ through the nerf hoop.
Quote from: 1SE on December 09, 2025, 10:16:08 PMJayzus, these aren't 5th graders who need participation trophies, they are adult professional athletes who are paid to put a ball through a hoop. Saying something like "we aren't executing like we need to make our offensive scheme work. That's on me and if we aren't able to start executing I'll need to rethink my offensive scheme or my roster construction" is all it takes - and maybe lights a fire under guys to do their JOB or else they'll be shown the door. The price of getting paid like a big boy is you have to take accountability for your performance like a big boy.
Otherwise might as well dish out some NIL to mugsy who can put 80%+ through the nerf hoop.
Nothing Shaka says at a press conference is going to "light a fire" under anyone. To think so, as well as this line of conversation, is ludicrous.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 10, 2025, 09:49:01 AMNothing Shaka says at a press conference is going to "light a fire" under anyone. To think so, as well as this line of conversation, is ludicrous.
We have some desperate fans, and I get it. But all this stuff about what Shaka should or shouldn't say at pressers is silliness.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 10, 2025, 09:49:01 AMNothing Shaka says at a press conference is going to "light a fire" under anyone. To think so, as well as this line of conversation, is ludicrous.
He can say it in the locker room too - not mutually exclusive. And certainly not crazy for MUs highest paid employee, by far, to take some public accountability for dismal underperformance.
Quote from: 1SE on December 10, 2025, 12:40:44 PMHe can say it in the locker room too - not mutually exclusive. And certainly not crazy for MUs highest paid employee, by far, to take some public accountability for dismal underperformance.
We have no idea what he says in the locker room or at practices or in individual meetings with players.
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2025, 01:23:07 PMWe have no idea what he says in the locker room or at practices or in individual meetings with players.
Why introduce truth and fact? Killjoy. >:(
Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2025, 01:23:07 PMWe have no idea what he says in the locker room or at practices or in individual meetings with players.
Rest assured, whatever it is, much of Scoop considers it damaging and WRONG!
We've seen what Hamilton can do. Now it's time to see what Clark can do.
Quote from: 1SE on December 10, 2025, 12:40:44 PMHe can say it in the locker room too - not mutually exclusive. And certainly not crazy for MUs highest paid employee, by far, to take some public accountability for dismal underperformance.
I have very little doubt that is being communicated in the locker room. Shaka has done this at a high level for a long time.
While I'm sure he may adapt his style based on his group of players each season, he's not going to play guys that are not giving full effort. Anything he says during a public press conference won't resonate compared to what he says in the locker room.
The problem is we just don't have enough talent right now and anything Shaka says is not going to change that.
I do think Shaka could have handled a couple of those innocuous press conference questions better but he doesn't owe fans a certain type of answer to convey he is accountable. He knows that and we know that.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2025, 06:52:18 AMThe growth (or lack of) from our returning players is where Shaka whiffed. Tyko, Oso, Stevie, O-Max, and Kam all got better. And Mitchell was a game changer defensively. If you look at our returning guys, none of them have really improved. Including Chase. His usage is way higher so his numbers look stronger, but he's essentially the same player from the last few seasons. In his defense he's getting no help whatsoever, but the fact that he and none of our guards can really make consistent plays off the dribble vs a set defense is astounding to me. And the shooting is even more perplexing. We may very well be the worst shooting team in the country. This live by the 3, die by the 3 philosophy, isn't a recipe for ultimate success imo. Shaka has been bit by it with much better teams.
Shocked no one is enjoying watching "The Can't Shoot Straight Gang" attempt to shoot/play offense ::)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 10, 2025, 02:33:59 PMI have very little doubt that is being communicated in the locker room. Shaka has done this at a high level for a long time.
While I'm sure he may adapt his style based on his group of players each season, he's not going to play guys that are not giving full effort. Anything he says during a public press conference won't resonate compared to what he says in the locker room.
The problem is we just don't have enough talent right now and anything Shaka says is not going to change that.
I do think Shaka could have handled a couple of those innocuous press conference questions better but he doesn't owe fans a certain type of answer to convey he is accountable. He knows that and we know that.
But see... he does... because if certain kinds of fans get fed up with his sucking teams and bs platitudes they'll stop buying tickets to games and giving to the B&G. Do you feel like Shaka has given us anything on 1)why we suck 2) what he is going to do to have us not suck? I think those are two pretty reasonable things to communicate to a certain kind of fan.
Quote from: 1SE on December 10, 2025, 05:06:33 PMBut see... he does... because if certain kinds of fans get fed up with his sucking teams and bs platitudes they'll stop buying tickets to games and giving to the B&G. Do you feel like Shaka has given us anything on 1)why we suck 2) what he is going to do to have us not suck? I think those are two pretty reasonable things to communicate to a certain kind of fan.
I don't think the "certain kind of fan" you're describing is owed a single thing.
And if their reaction to not being given answers they think they deserve in press conferences is to stop buying tickets or merchandise or donating, they need to get some perspective and grow the f*ck up.
Personally, I typically head up from Chicago to catch 2-3 home games per year. This year that number will likely be 0 and it's because the team sucks, not because of anything Shaka has or hasn't said.
Quote from: KingKolek on December 06, 2025, 08:04:56 PMI find myself growing increasingly frustrated after each postgame as Shaka rolls out the same cliches, the same excuses for why his team continuously fails to execute. And I ask myself each time, "Is he so daft that he doesn't understand this is absolutely not working?"
I have a great deal of respect for Shaka. I think he is a great, intelligent man. He's the type of person I want leading my program. But he's made so many decisions in the last year that shake me to my core. Can someone like this really not see what's happening right in front of him? Can he really think a frontcourt of Clark and Hamilton can win in the Big East? Can he think this roster construction makes any sense at all?
A key aspect to his approach is "relationships." He has loyalty to his guys. He respects those who put in the effort here at Marquette. So I wonder, does he see the writing on the wall, but understand it isn't nice to rip the players clearly not cut out for the roles he's thrust them into? Could his words and actions eventually contradict each other, as he does what must be done next offseason?
Coaches should not be ripping players in public in any form unless they're doing very dumb things like techs, flagrants, or other non basketball stuff. That stuff gets saved for the practice court and locker room.
Press conferences are for glue sniffing dumbasses who want a coach to say something that isn't coach speak. Shaka is a professional (aside from the Ben Steele rudeness) and absolutely will not be tearing down his guys in front of the media and public eye.
You guys aren't listening. Listen to what he said about Ben Gold in the Inside MU basketball show. Listen to him describe his conversation with Zaide and then starting AS. Look at him start Royce in the second half and Listen to the same interview when he says why.
Then think about how he has always publicly protected his players and realize that he is most likely being very forthright with them face to face.
Smh
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2025, 09:19:55 AMCoaches should not be ripping players in public in any form unless they're doing very dumb things like techs, flagrants, or other non basketball stuff. That stuff gets saved for the practice court and locker room.
Press conferences are for glue sniffing dumbasses who want a coach to say something that isn't coach speak. Shaka is a professional (aside from the Ben Steele rudeness) and absolutely will not be tearing down his guys in front of the media and public eye.
Exactly this.
Zero issues with Shaka protecting/backing his guys in public. I'd think less of him if he didn't.
I wouldn't mind seeing a little more introspection/self-criticism, but hopefully that comes in March.
C'mon folks. You really think Coach Shaka is going to throw his players under the bus? He's better than that.
Shaka speaks "Coachspeak." It's a form of BS that says nothing while making the average listener think they heard something. It's not indicative of what he tells the guys in practice and in private.
All of us who've been managers in our lives do the same thing. When one of my reports missed something or, God forbid, made a mistake that got out the door, I fell on my sword, practiced service recovery and made good. My staff received my wrath, trust me, they did, but we never let our dirty laundry out the door. I suspect most of you are the same way and I promise Coach Shaka is as well!
Just got my new #muMbb "Lost in the Loss" sweatshirt. It's awesome!
Quote from: tower912 on December 11, 2025, 09:26:52 AMYou guys aren't listening. Listen to what he said about Ben Gold in the Inside MU basketball show. Listen to him describe his conversation with Zaide and then starting AS. Look at him start Royce in the second half and Listen to the same interview when he says why.
Then think about how he has always publicly protected his players and realize that he is most likely being very forthright with them face to face.
Smh
I don't think anyone outside of perhaps a couple unreasonable people are asking him to dump on specific players anywhere. The question is if after this season he's going to tell those guys 'hey, this isn't working. Best to look elsewhere'
Quote from: tower912 on December 11, 2025, 09:26:52 AMYou guys aren't listening. Listen to what he said about Ben Gold in the Inside MU basketball show. Listen to him describe his conversation with Zaide and then starting AS. Look at him start Royce in the second half and Listen to the same interview when he says why.
Then think about how he has always publicly protected his players and realize that he is most likely being very forthright with them face to face.
Smh
Thanks for pointing this out. I just watched the video and I thought Shaka had less coach-speak and more direct comments about individual players than he normally does. I agree with all of your assessments.
On a side note, I know it was a highlight video but ... wow, did Walker show some incredible range and a really quick release. Looked like a taller version of Rowsey, and that's not a bad thing.
From Paint Touches today (https://painttouches.com/2025/12/15/marquettes-2026-nonconference-report-card/):
"What I think has made the most surprisingly negative impact, from a fan standpoint, is treating the resulting angst of one of the worst seasons in the last 30 years of Marquette history as if it's somehow irrational. I get he doesn't have answers for why players are missing the same shots he sees them hit in practice. I get that he's taught defense the same way for 15 years and has nothing but sterling results to show for it, so he's not going to change. I get that with a young team, there will be an increased learning curve. And I get fans, myself included, are fickle and stupid.
But the way he has snapped at reporters post-game at mere portal-adjacent questions and generally dismissed the idea that the results indicate any larger issues, feels like he's avoiding introspection, and assigning blame to outside noise instead."
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2025, 06:52:18 AMThe growth (or lack of) from our returning players is where Shaka whiffed. Tyko, Oso, Stevie, O-Max, and Kam all got better. And Mitchell was a game changer defensively.
Transfer, Wojo signee, Wojo signee, transfer, Wojo recruit.
MUBB just shared a video of Jolp opening a box full of RGV items, trying to find ways to get rid of excess stock
Quote from: Markusquette on December 15, 2025, 05:04:22 PMMUBB just shared a video of Jolp opening a box full of RGV items, trying to find ways to get rid of excess stock
The new media team is having a hard time reading the room.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 15, 2025, 03:44:33 PMTransfer, Wojo signee, Wojo signee, transfer, Wojo recruit.
So? Does that mean they didn't improve under Shaka's watch? What is the point you're trying to make by responding this way to Muggsy's post?
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2025, 06:25:40 PMSo? Does that mean they didn't improve under Shaka's watch? What is the point you're trying to make by responding this way to Muggsy's post?
No, but it does mean Shaka didn't find these guys in HS.
If you're going to build your entire recruiting strategy around finding lower-rated players in HS before others recognize them, you better be pretty good at it. Chase Ross alone doesn't suggest that Shaka has some innate talent for predicting future development.
What's frustrating with his anti-portal approach is that we can all see that he found great players like Prosper and Kolek and Morsell and Kur in the portal. Why doesn't he leverage that? Why dump what was a very successful approach?
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 15, 2025, 07:11:48 PMNo, but it does mean Shaka didn't find these guys in HS.
If you're going to build your entire recruiting strategy around finding lower-rated players in HS before others recognize them, you better be pretty good at it. Chase Ross alone doesn't suggest that Shaka has some innate talent for predicting future development.
What's frustrating with his anti-portal approach is that we can all see that he found great players like Prosper and Kolek and Morsell and Kur in the portal. Why doesn't he leverage that? Why dump what was a very successful approach?
We actually agree on most of this stuff.
But to somehow suggest that he doesn't get credit for helping develop Kam, Oso and Stevie after convincing them to stay at Marquette ... Billy is better than that. Shaka deserves plenty of criticism; do we really need to try to criticize him for the things he actually did well, too?
Quote from: Markusquette on December 15, 2025, 05:04:22 PMMUBB just shared a video of Jolp opening a box full of RGV items, trying to find ways to get rid of excess stock
That is not a new video.
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2025, 06:25:40 PMSo? Does that mean they didn't improve under Shaka's watch? What is the point you're trying to make by responding this way to Muggsy's post?
no, it wasn't about lack of improvement. My concern is Shaka's poor evaluation of HS guys and their ceiling for development being rather low compared to the transfers and Wojo guys.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 15, 2025, 08:16:19 PMno, it wasn't about lack of improvement. My concern is Shaka's poor evaluation of HS guys and their ceiling for development being rather low compared to the transfers and Wojo guys.
Fair enough. He's had a few bad misses, that's for sure. I'm optimistic about James, Stevens and (still) Parham, but Shaka can't afford all of his misses if he's gonna go with only high schoolers.
So we agree. But we're also beating a dead horse. Our two posts here mark the 864th and 865th time it's been said here on Scoop in the last month.
Quote from: MU82 on December 15, 2025, 08:59:29 PMBut we're also beating a dead horse. Our two posts here mark the 864th and 865th time it's been said here on Scoop in the last month.
Right now this site is like the stock market when the economy is in recession. The Bears are in control. Instead of irrational selling there is irrational posting. All you can do is ride it out.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 15, 2025, 05:04:22 PMMUBB just shared a video of Jolp opening a box full of RGV items, trying to find ways to get rid of excess stock
unsold stock? I'm sure RGV swag would be happily worn by crews on those Indian Ocean pirate boats. Drop off a load at St Vinny, hey
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 15, 2025, 07:11:48 PMNo, but it does mean Shaka didn't find these guys in HS.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 15, 2025, 08:16:19 PMno, it wasn't about lack of improvement. My concern is Shaka's poor evaluation of HS guys and their ceiling for development being rather low compared to the transfers and Wojo guys.
I'd suggest you guys take a look at Oso's final 3 schools and then where Shaka coached before he came to MU. I'm not saying your wrong in the overall point but use the examples that actually prove it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 16, 2025, 08:02:23 AMI'd suggest you guys take a look at Oso's final 3 schools and then where Shaka coached before he came to MU. I'm not saying your wrong in the overall point but use the examples that actually prove it.
I think the situations were very different.
Texas had 10 other top 100 players on their roster in what was Oso's freshman year, all ranked ahead of Oso. That list included #8 Greg Brown who was in the same class and same position as Oso.
I don't think Shaka was looking to build a team around lower-rated players at the time.
Quote from: Viper on December 16, 2025, 07:31:49 AMunsold stock? I'm sure RGV swag would be happily worn by crews on those Indian Ocean pirate boats. Drop off a load at St Vinny, hey
Except they're no where near St. Vinny, unless you're a woke Disney gurly guy.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 17, 2025, 02:25:19 PMExcept they're no where near St. Vinny, unless you're a woke Disney gurly guy.
good point all the way around
Shaka is doubling down on relationships as evidenced by Sean's Mom's Tweet, Coach Haynes speaking over again about relationships on the pregame show and starting Hamilton ugh