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Title: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: DenverEagle on December 04, 2025, 10:19:21 PM
Been super happy to have Shaka guiding our program since his arrival and enjoyed the successes along the way. Still rooting for him and our guys and will keep doing so no matter our record. I have been trying to support Shakas strategy with regard to building our program. But it finally dawned on me that it's not 1990. This is a pro sports business. Here's the rub - it's like the Brewers trying to compete against the Yankees but refusing to sign any free agents (bigger programs or equal programs) and also not using any one from minor leagues (smaller programs where guys can continue to play and grow and improve) It's building a roster where the only guys you use come straight to your pro team from the MLB draft. I don't understand how it could ever work when every other program in the country uses all three tools. If you run a graph of wins and transfers on our roster you can see an incredible correlation to where we are and unless we stop working with both hands tied behind our back, I think it unrealistic to expect much more success.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2025, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: DenverEagle on December 04, 2025, 10:19:21 PMBeen super happy to have Shaka guiding our program since his arrival and enjoyed the successes along the way. Still rooting for him and our guys and will keep doing so no matter our record. I have been trying to support Shakas strategy with regard to building our program. But it finally dawned on me that it's not 1990. This is a pro sports business. Here's the rub - it's like the Brewers trying to compete against the Yankees but refusing to sign any free agents (bigger programs or equal programs) and also not using any one from minor leagues (smaller programs where guys can continue to play and grow and improve) It's building a roster where the only guys you use come straight to your pro team from the MLB draft. I don't understand how it could ever work when every other program in the country uses all three tools. If you run a graph of wins and transfers on our roster you can see an incredible correlation to where we are and unless we stop working with both hands tied behind our back, I think it unrealistic to expect much more success.

That's a horrible analogy.

Also, we had the same number of transfers on our team last year as we do this year. I feel confident in saying your graph would not show the same number of wins this year as it did last year.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Daniel on December 05, 2025, 12:26:08 AM
Maybe we just do not have enough money in the NIL world to compete for great players and Shark's way is the only way we can do it.  Can we really go compete for these top players in the portal?   Maybe we can snag one but not sure.  Shaka way he has to be right 75% of the time on recruitment.  That is tough.  Go Marquette!  I hope we figure it out so it all works out
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 05, 2025, 10:21:59 AM
Quote from: Daniel on December 05, 2025, 12:26:08 AMMaybe we just do not have enough money in the NIL world to compete for great players and Shark's way is the only way we can do it.  Can we really go compete for these top players in the portal?   Maybe we can snag one but not sure.  Shaka way he has to be right 75% of the time on recruitment.  That is tough.  Go Marquette!  I hope we figure it out so it all works out

I really want Shaka's approach to work.  I like being able to watch guys develop at Marquette over 3 - 4 years.  I was fully supportive of it going into this season and I have not written it off yet. 

However, it's impossible for this season not to open your eyes to the downside.  Shaka's approach does not leave much margin for error and now we've seen what some recruiting misses and less development than expected do to the product on the floor. 

Shaka's approach will also make it extremely difficult for him to pivot quickly.  So assuming this year continues to be a disaster, I'll be fascinated to see what happens in the offseason. 

Also, I have no idea what our NIL budget is.  I get the feeling it's not the amount of money Marquette is able to offer in most cases.  The issue is paying someone who has not been at Marquette at all the same as what Chase is now making in his 4th season.  Shaka has said as much. 
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: onepost on December 05, 2025, 10:24:56 AM
Quote from: Daniel on December 05, 2025, 12:26:08 AMMaybe we just do not have enough money in the NIL world to compete for great players and Shark's way is the only way we can do it.  Can we really go compete for these top players in the portal?  Maybe we can snag one but not sure.  Shaka way he has to be right 75% of the time on recruitment.  That is tough.  Go Marquette!  I hope we figure it out so it all works out

I'm so tired of having to respond to this time and time again: WE HAVE THE MONEY.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Mu8891 on December 05, 2025, 10:46:01 AM
One - not trying to argue... just curious...

How do you know MU " has the money "?  cuz it sure seems like they don't.

** I don't expect you to give us names, etc, but just some idea **
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU82 on December 05, 2025, 10:49:13 AM
Both hands tied behind our back? No wonder our shooting sucks!
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 05, 2025, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 05, 2025, 10:46:01 AMOne - not trying to argue... just curious...

How do you know MU " has the money "?  cuz it sure seems like they don't.

** I don't expect you to give us names, etc, but just some idea **


Why doesn't it 'seem' like they don't?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Mu8891 on December 05, 2025, 11:19:06 AM
Because the numbers being floated around on this board ( and others ) of MU's
NIL budget are pretty meager.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: withoutbias on December 05, 2025, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 05, 2025, 10:46:01 AMOne - not trying to argue... just curious...

How do you know MU " has the money "?  cuz it sure seems like they don't.

** I don't expect you to give us names, etc, but just some idea **


Because he's on Discord and everything shared there is accurate.  He's a true insider.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2025, 12:20:33 PM

Sultan stated in another thread that:
There really isn't much reason for a private university to have their athletic department become an LLC. I would like to know why.

I have no idea how much financial resources Marquette has for athletics. Some say we have the money while others say we don't or are not sure. If we are spending the money, this years team is not giving us the bang for the buck and adjustments need to be made. If we are not spending on levels we need to compete for a Natty then this team may be the result of that.

However, Kentucky's athletic department which is now an LLC is not limited to the 20 million dollar cap agreed to in the NCAA settlement. They can now raise as much money as they can.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/05/20/privatization-of-collegiate-athletics-begins-kentucky-announces-champions-blue-llc/

It will be interesting to see if this model succeeds. Who knows. they might even become a football power in the SEC. It appears that they are serious about raising the funds necessary to compete in acquiring the best talent.

As for Marquette we can only speculate, unless someone can produce the receipts.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 05, 2025, 12:59:11 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2025, 12:20:33 PMSultan stated in another thread that:
There really isn't much reason for a private university to have their athletic department become an LLC. I would like to know why.

I have no idea how much financial resources Marquette has for athletics. Some say we have the money while others say we don't or are not sure. If we are spending the money, this years team is not giving us the bang for the buck and adjustments need to be made. If we are not spending on levels we need to compete for a Natty then this team may be the result of that.

However, Kentucky's athletic department which is now an LLC is not limited to the 20 million dollar cap agreed to in the NCAA settlement. They can now raise as much money as they can.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/05/20/privatization-of-collegiate-athletics-begins-kentucky-announces-champions-blue-llc/

It will be interesting to see if this model succeeds. Who knows. they might even become a football power in the SEC. It appears that they are serious about raising the funds necessary to compete in acquiring the best talent.

As for Marquette we can only speculate, unless someone can produce the receipts.

#FakeNews #Lies
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 05, 2025, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2025, 12:20:33 PMSultan stated in another thread that:
There really isn't much reason for a private university to have their athletic department become an LLC. I would like to know why.

I have no idea how much financial resources Marquette has for athletics. Some say we have the money while others say we don't or are not sure. If we are spending the money, this years team is not giving us the bang for the buck and adjustments need to be made. If we are not spending on levels we need to compete for a Natty then this team may be the result of that.

However, Kentucky's athletic department which is now an LLC is not limited to the 20 million dollar cap agreed to in the NCAA settlement. They can now raise as much money as they can.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/05/20/privatization-of-collegiate-athletics-begins-kentucky-announces-champions-blue-llc/

It will be interesting to see if this model succeeds. Who knows. they might even become a football power in the SEC. It appears that they are serious about raising the funds necessary to compete in acquiring the best talent.

As for Marquette we can only speculate, unless someone can produce the receipts.

(https://i.giphy.com/116a8zosxwA0SI.webp)
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 05, 2025, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2025, 12:20:33 PMSultan stated in another thread that:
There really isn't much reason for a private university to have their athletic department become an LLC. I would like to know why.


Because an LLC can raise money without being subject to open records requests. Its the same reason public universities have foundations raise money on their behalf.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2025, 01:32:24 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on December 05, 2025, 01:26:39 PMBecause an LLC can raise money without being subject to open records requests. Its the same reason public universities have foundations raise money on their behalf.


So we can find out how much money is going to Marquette's Athletic Department and how the athletes are being reimbursed through the NCAA settlement agreement by asking for an open records request?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 05, 2025, 01:54:14 PM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 05, 2025, 01:32:24 PMSo we can find out how much money is going to Marquette's Athletic Department and how the athletes are being reimbursed through the NCAA settlement agreement by asking for an open records request?

<sigh>

No. Marquette is a private university and not subject to open records.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 05, 2025, 01:58:43 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on December 05, 2025, 01:54:14 PM<sigh>

No. Marquette is a private university and not subject to open records.

#FakeNews #Lies
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: DenverEagle on December 05, 2025, 02:06:09 PM
Safe to say we don't know exactly what the NIL total is but we do know it's not zero. My thing is that I think we literally chose to tie our hands behind our backs if we don't utilize all the sources available to us to add quality players.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 05, 2025, 02:06:39 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 05, 2025, 01:58:43 PM#FakeNews #Lies

Nope.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Daniel on December 05, 2025, 07:53:08 PM
Quote from: onepost on December 05, 2025, 10:24:56 AMI'm so tired of having to respond to this time and time again: WE HAVE THE MONEY.

So sorry I am not in the know like you are.   Ok. If you say we have the money fine.  Go Marquette
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: 79Warrior on December 05, 2025, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: onepost on December 05, 2025, 10:24:56 AMI'm so tired of having to respond to this time and time again: WE HAVE THE MONEY.

What's the budget? Pretty confident you have no clue.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: NCMUFan on December 06, 2025, 07:14:49 AM
What we need is a study done of correlation between D1 teams W-L record and NIL money spent.  Then we can see what our opponents are spending and have a pretty good idea of our probability of winning. 
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 06, 2025, 07:40:37 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on December 05, 2025, 01:54:14 PM<sigh>

No. Marquette is a private university and not subject to open records.

Then why not form an LLC like Kentucky which is also not subject to open records?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MuggsyB on December 06, 2025, 07:50:48 AM
Does Marcus Lemonis support MU hoops?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 08:19:51 AM
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 06, 2025, 07:40:37 AMThen why not form an LLC like Kentucky which is also not subject to open records?


Can you read???
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: muwarrior69 on December 06, 2025, 09:53:18 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 08:19:51 AMCan you read???

Actually I found this link that states Kentucky's Athletic Department  non-profit LLC is subject to an open records request. Whether you subject to an open request report or not what is the downside for Marquette to form an LLC? Maybe it makes sense for Kentucky why not Marquette as noted before their not subject to the 20 million dollar cap as required in the settlement.

https://www.thestudentathleteadvisors.com/blog/why-kentucky-athletics-is-moving-into-an-llcand-what-it-could-mean-for-the-future-of-college-sports
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 06, 2025, 09:59:40 AM
^^ Sultan only understands things at a high level. The specifics and details are too much for him.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: onepost on December 06, 2025, 02:22:54 PM
Quote from: Daniel on December 05, 2025, 07:53:08 PMSo sorry I am not in the know like you are.   Ok. If you say we have the money fine.  Go Marquette

Apology accepted, Daniel
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on December 06, 2025, 06:32:44 PM
Quote from: DenverEagle on December 05, 2025, 02:06:09 PMSafe to say we don't know exactly what the NIL total is but we do know it's not zero. My thing is that I think we literally chose to tie our hands behind our backs if we don't utilize all the sources available to us to add quality players.

Agree and not sure but in talking to some feel we have enough money to add a player or 2 in the portal. Seemed like Chase had his hands tied behind his back at the line today. What did it look like on television
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:07:37 AM
Quote from: onepost on December 06, 2025, 02:22:54 PMApology accepted, Daniel
So you have no idea
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: onepost on December 07, 2025, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:07:37 AMSo you have no idea

No, I do. Which is why I said as much.
We have the money.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 06, 2025, 09:59:40 AM^^ Sultan only understands things at a high level. The specifics and details are too much for him.

Uh. I claimed that private companies universities are not subject to open records requests. You claimed I was wrong...but I am not.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Viper on December 07, 2025, 10:34:45 AM
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 06, 2025, 06:32:44 PMAgree and not sure but in talking to some feel we have enough money to add a player or 2 in the portal. Seemed like Chase had his hands tied behind his back at the line today. What did it look like on television
that his hands were tied behind his back (4/13 FG, 3/7 FT)
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Equalizer on December 07, 2025, 10:36:24 AM
I don't understand the fixation with open records in this thread.

One of the linked articles states flat out that Kentucky's effort is "not an attempt to privatize athletics or shield it from public oversight—unlike similar structures in places like Florida, Champions Blue remains subject to Kentucky's Open Records Act."

Reading the articles linked, the main benefits to Kentucky athletics seem to be a) bypassing the perceived slowness of decision-making by the university at large to provide greater flexibility, and b) creating direct employment and NIL opportunities with an LLC that bypasses the $20 million post-House compensation cap.

Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Florida Warrior on December 07, 2025, 10:37:02 AM
For the non-transfer portal system to run smoothly every year, you absolutely have to get production out of your classes every year. We're not getting that from our juniors or sophomores. 1 - Zaide Lowery is OK, but with his athleticism, he should have taken a significant leap this year. I'd argue he was better last season. 2 - Tre Norman. Unless he becomes the next Pat Foley (1987-88 season) where he was a non-contributor for three seasons but then developed an outside shot and could drive to the basket and draw fouls, he's just taking up space. Both those guys were big-time recruits that haven't developed. 3 - Damarius Owens looks like he was out for Wisconsin (flu?) but he hasn't done anything this year. 4 - Royce Parham has been the best of the group. The other thing - they have no shooters (free throws or three-pointers). Some of the guys coming in looks like they will be decent. But we have no Kam Jones, Tyler Kolek, Sam Hauser, Andrew Rowsey, Markus Howard that can really knock them down with consistency. That just kills us. Indiana and Wisconsin beat us with three-pointers. We actually had more points in the paint than Wisky. You can get all the deflections, steals, beautiful drive-and-kicks or shot fakes and drives to the paint, but if you can't put the ball in the hoop, all the cardio, weight training, camaraderie, teamwork, positive culture and athleticism you have is canceled out. So far, we are not seeing the "growth" or the "success" of the RGV mantra.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Viper on December 07, 2025, 11:08:43 AM
Quote from: Florida Warrior on December 07, 2025, 10:37:02 AMFor the non-transfer portal system to run smoothly every year, you absolutely have to get production out of your classes every year. We're not getting that from our juniors or sophomores. 1 - Zaide Lowery is OK, but with his athleticism, he should have taken a significant leap this year. I'd argue he was better last season. 2 - Tre Norman. Unless he becomes the next Pat Foley (1987-88 season) where he was a non-contributor for three seasons but then developed an outside shot and could drive to the basket and draw fouls, he's just taking up space. Both those guys were big-time recruits that haven't developed. 3 - Damarius Owens looks like he was out for Wisconsin (flu?) but he hasn't done anything this year. 4 - Royce Parham has been the best of the group. The other thing - they have no shooters (free throws or three-pointers). Some of the guys coming in looks like they will be decent. But we have no Kam Jones, Tyler Kolek, Sam Hauser, Andrew Rowsey, Markus Howard that can really knock them down with consistency. That just kills us. Indiana and Wisconsin beat us with three-pointers. We actually had more points in the paint than Wisky. You can get all the deflections, steals, beautiful drive-and-kicks or shot fakes and drives to the paint, but if you can't put the ball in the hoop, all the cardio, weight training, camaraderie, teamwork, positive culture and athleticism you have is canceled out. So far, we are not seeing the "growth" or the "success" of the RGV mantra.
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Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: BCHoopster on December 07, 2025, 11:27:17 AM
Just to refresh some of you, MU has about 6M to play with, the issue is Shaka wants results and freshman only get so much. To most of us, that money is ver good. Reason he keeps retention, is that most of the other players have not produced enough to go somewhere else.  No bidding for those kids.  So to improve the team next year, need to show some tough love and find a new home for a few kids.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 11:35:05 AM
Quote from: Viper on December 07, 2025, 10:34:45 AMthat his hands were tied behind his back (4/13 FG, 3/7 FT)

I've been watching basketball for a loooooong time, and Chase's fumbled attempt at a FT was the first time I had ever seen such a thing.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 07, 2025, 11:27:17 AMJust to refresh some of you, MU has about 6M to play with, the issue is Shaka wants results and freshman only get so much. To most of us, that money is ver good. Reason he keeps retention, is that most of the other players have not produced enough to go somewhere else.  No bidding for those kids.  So to improve the team next year, need to show some tough love and find a new home for a few kids.

^^^This
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 07, 2025, 11:27:17 AMJust to refresh some of you, MU has about 6M to play with

How do you know?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Billy Hoyle on December 07, 2025, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 07, 2025, 11:27:17 AMJust to refresh some of you, MU has about 6M to play with,

Is that for MBB only or all sports? How do you know this?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 12:27:47 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 10:18:50 AMUh. I claimed that private companies universities are not subject to open records requests. You claimed I was wrong...but I am not.

You are wrong.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 12:30:44 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 12:27:47 PMYou are wrong.

I am not. But keep digging.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 12:30:44 PMI am not. But keep digging.

I'm not digging. Just stating facts.

https://www.marquette.edu/mupd/record-request.php

Let the excuses begin!
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 01:04:53 PMI'm not digging. Just stating facts.

https://www.marquette.edu/mupd/record-request.php

Let the excuses begin!


Law enforcement records because Marquette has an official PD. Not relevant at all to what I was talking about, but sure.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 01:14:46 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 01:10:53 PMLaw enforcement records because Marquette has an official PD. Not relevant at all to what I was talking about, but sure.

Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 01:14:46 PMThanks for admitting you were wrong.

Yes. I was. I forgot that private schools that have law enforcement agencies are subject to such requests. I shouldn't have been so absolute in my statement.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 04:16:56 PM
Quote from: onepost on December 07, 2025, 10:08:32 AMNo, I do. Which is why I said as much.
We have the money.
Well tell us how much
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 04:52:00 PM
It's fun to read Scoopy statements, presented as facts with 100% certainty, but with absolutely no evidence to support their claims.

It's like when our parents used to say: "Because I said so!"
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: burger on December 07, 2025, 05:12:21 PM
Once fans don't show up on mass.....And applications to the school start drying up.....Actions will be taken....

Seton Hall is a totally crap school in many respects....Once the pressure was put on them to produce a better basketball product.....There team is like day and night vs.last year.....
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 07, 2025, 05:16:36 PM
Quote from: burger on December 07, 2025, 05:12:21 PMOnce fans don't show up on mass.....And applications to the school start drying up.....Actions will be taken....

Seton Hall is a totally crap school in many respects....Once the pressure was put on them to produce a better basketball product.....There team is like day and night vs.last year.....

Their vs. there, but Seton Hall blows
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: onepost on December 07, 2025, 07:38:56 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 04:16:56 PMWell tell us how much

I know there's a CEO in Wisconsin who's on the Board and wants to spend money that Shaka won't use. He personally bought out Wojo, he was going to personally pay ~$1.3M for Kolek to come back for one more year. And I do know he and others are openly frustrated Shaka isn't using all the resources at his disposal and these are the results.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: onepost on December 07, 2025, 07:38:56 PMI know there's a CEO in Wisconsin who's on the Board and wants to spend money that Shaka won't use. He personally bought out Wojo, he was going to personally pay ~$1.3M for Kolek to come back for one more year. And I do know he and others are openly frustrated Shaka isn't using all the resources at his disposal and these are the results.
FYI Kolek said no. Do you know how NIL is structured at MU?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: GoFastAndWin on December 07, 2025, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 07, 2025, 10:36:24 AMI don't understand the fixation with open records in this thread.

One of the linked articles states flat out that Kentucky's effort is "not an attempt to privatize athletics or shield it from public oversight—unlike similar structures in places like Florida, Champions Blue remains subject to Kentucky's Open Records Act."

Reading the articles linked, the main benefits to Kentucky athletics seem to be a) bypassing the perceived slowness of decision-making by the university at large to provide greater flexibility, and b) creating direct employment and NIL opportunities with an LLC that bypasses the $20 million post-House compensation cap.



Like Al used to say, "when someone calls, pay attention to the third thing they say, that's the reason they called."

Ok UK, yada yada yada. It's the compensation cap, as it relates to percentage of asset distribution!

"Hey, Al it's Adolph Rupp. I liked that 'don't call me son unless I show up in your last will & testament' comment you made last year.

"How is the family doing?"

"Hey listen, so we down here in the Commonwealth are a bit concerned about the financials of UK basketball with all this football liability, what's it like being an Independent that's about to drop football? Any advice on how to maximize our dollar?"


Anyhow, it's all about staying ahead of the game and the reported advantage the BigEast is supposed to be getting post-House. We aren't seeing it yet. With savvy moves like this from Kentucky and others to follow, you had to know that powerful forces would be  working on working around this competitive disadvantage.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: onepost on December 07, 2025, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 07:50:40 PMFYI Kolek said no. Do you know how NIL is structured at MU?

That wasn't even my point. You asked about money and I'm just sharing who the big money people are and examples of their willingness to spend. Kolek had guarantees from the NBA and left, as he should have.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:00:53 PM
Quote from: onepost on December 07, 2025, 08:31:58 PMThat wasn't even my point. You asked about money and I'm just sharing who the big money people are and examples of their willingness to spend. Kolek had guarantees from the NBA and left, as he should have.
So what is the amount of money and do you know how NIL is structured at MU? You made it seem like it was Shaka's fault that Kolek didn't stay, when that is false. You said we have the money, tell me how much? Or say you don't know.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: onepost on December 07, 2025, 09:18:11 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:00:53 PMSo what is the amount of money and do you know how NIL is structured at MU? You made it seem like it was Shaka's fault that Kolek didn't stay, when that is false. You said we have the money, tell me how much? Or say you don't know.

Ok WHERE did I say it was Shaka's fault Kolek didn't stay? Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

I'm reiterating that the program and our boosters have money and willingness to spend that money: as evidence by buying out Wojo when most thought that wasn't feasible and ponying up for another season of Kolek to name notable examples. Of course there was nothing Shaka could do with Kolek leaving, nor did I ever say there was. Those are mutually exclusive thoughts.

What I AM saying is since then, Shaka has continued to refuse spending that money in regards to freshmen like JJ Andrews, Cam Ward, (Morillo was the agent not the money), and the portal in its entirety. THAT is what I'm saying.

I don't know the exact dollar amount available. From what I've gathered, as recruits and worthwhile retainees have come up, the money has consistently been available.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:49:29 PM
Quote from: onepost on December 07, 2025, 09:18:11 PMOk WHERE did I say it was Shaka's fault Kolek didn't stay? Now you're just putting words in my mouth.

I'm reiterating that the program and our boosters have money and willingness to spend that money: as evidence by buying out Wojo when most thought that wasn't feasible and ponying up for another season of Kolek to name notable examples. Of course there was nothing Shaka could do with Kolek leaving, nor did I ever say there was. Those are mutually exclusive thoughts.

What I AM saying is since then, Shaka has continued to refuse spending that money in regards to freshmen like JJ Andrews, Cam Ward, (Morillo was the agent not the money), and the portal in its entirety. THAT is what I'm saying.

I don't know the exact dollar amount available. From what I've gathered, as recruits and worthwhile retainees have come up, the money has consistently been available.
You don't seem to know how it works, do you?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: onepost on December 07, 2025, 10:04:37 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:49:29 PMYou don't seem to know how it works, do you?

Sure, you're right
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 11:04:06 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:49:29 PMYou don't seem to know how it works, do you?
This is a fascinating response. I'm looking forward to you adding some color to it.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 11:19:29 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 11:04:06 PMThis is a fascinating response. I'm looking forward to you adding some color to it.
Which spectrum would you like?
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 11:19:29 PMWhich spectrum would you like?
I'm a MU grad, so make it super simple. Red, blue & yellow if possible.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU86NC on December 07, 2025, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2025, 09:00:53 PMSo what is the amount of money and do you know how NIL is structured at MU? You made it seem like it was Shaka's fault that Kolek didn't stay, when that is false. You said we have the money, tell me how much? Or say you don't know.
STFU....
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on December 08, 2025, 06:30:36 AM
Shaka has ruined this team by his over emphasis of defense and lack of emphasis of offense. The Badger game clearly showed again hos this team can't shoot whether from long or mid range and we choke around the rim. It seems that the players are rewarded with playing time by their defense in practice with no encouragement on their offense. That is not a winning formula. More emphasis has to be put on shooting in practice. Players should play based on their ability to score. Reflections are good, but points are better.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MuggsyB on December 08, 2025, 07:02:00 AM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 08, 2025, 06:30:36 AMShaka has ruined this team by his over emphasis of defense and lack of emphasis of offense. The Badger game clearly showed again hos this team can't shoot whether from long or mid range and we choke around the rim. It seems that the players are rewarded with playing time by their defense in practice with no encouragement on their offense. That is not a winning formula. More emphasis has to be put on shooting in practice. Players should play based on their ability to score. Reflections are good, but points are better.

If they're defending in practice, it's not translating to stopping guys during actua games.  Right now we can defend, score, or shoot.  That's not exactly a winning formula. 
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 08, 2025, 09:29:04 AM
Quote from: MU86NC on December 07, 2025, 11:50:55 PMSTFU....
Nice!
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 08, 2025, 09:56:33 AM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 11:28:47 PMI'm a MU grad, so make it super simple. Red, blue & yellow if possible.
Red: A crap color for crap schools & Shaka isn't changing his approach any time soon,
Blue: Will be bruised, with mediocre to bad results all year,
Yellow: NIL model MU is using, if it hasn't changed, is a collective rewarding for time at MU and performance (how this is calculated I have no idea), how much is in the NIL's coffers and what the expenses are, I have no idea. Thus, I don't know if MU has the budget to really offer portal players of significance which is why I asked onepost if he knew the amount available. Boosters can donate to the collective or they can arrange NIL deals (don't know exact rules). All I know is that Shaka doesn't want players that prioritize money and MU just becomes a springboard to players transferring out for more money. Recruits are presented with the model, obviously some won't agree.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 08, 2025, 09:57:46 AM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 08, 2025, 06:30:36 AMShaka has ruined this team by his over emphasis of defense and lack of emphasis of offense. The Badger game clearly showed again hos this team can't shoot whether from long or mid range and we choke around the rim. It seems that the players are rewarded with playing time by their defense in practice with no encouragement on their offense. That is not a winning formula. More emphasis has to be put on shooting in practice. Players should play based on their ability to score. Reflections are good, but points are better.
Shaka has always been a defensive minded coach first, that won't change.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 11:03:01 AM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 08, 2025, 09:56:33 AMRed: A crap color for crap schools & Shaka isn't changing his approach any time soon,
Blue: Will be bruised, with mediocre to bad results all year,
Yellow: NIL model MU is using, if it hasn't changed, is a collective rewarding for time at MU and performance (how this is calculated I have no idea), how much is in the NIL's coffers and what the expenses are, I have no idea. Thus, I don't know if MU has the budget to really offer portal players of significance which is why I asked onepost if he knew the amount available. Boosters can donate to the collective or they can arrange NIL deals (don't know exact rules). All I know is that Shaka doesn't want players that prioritize money and MU just becomes a springboard to players transferring out for more money. Recruits are presented with the model, obviously some won't agree.
I understand. The overarching message I'm hearing is that Shaka will not change his ways, so the amount of money available at MU is irrelevant.

Interesting that you contradict (I think correctly) the concept that MU players will not transfer out because the money is too good at MU that has been forwarded on this board. I agree that Shaka recruits players that are motivated to develop, play and win as opposed to just cashing a check. This is why I believe Shaka could be putting some of his good young talent at risk to move to winning programs if he does not adjust.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 11:10:34 AM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 08, 2025, 09:57:46 AMShaka has always been a defensive minded coach first, that won't change.
MU's offense is light years ahead of the defense. If we could shoot at a reasonable (not great or even above average) clip, we'd be significantly better. Shaka's offense (#120 PPG) looks fine to me, the defense (# 252 in PPG) is an abortion.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2025, 11:15:40 AM
Nobody knows whether or not Shaka will change his philosophy after a painful season. Also, nobody knows if Marquette will start losing players we want to keep; so far, that has happened 0.00% of the time under Shaka.

But speculating is fun, so carry on ...
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2025, 11:15:40 AMNobody knows whether or not Shaka will change his philosophy after a painful season. Also, nobody knows if Marquette will start losing players we want to keep; so far, that has happened 0.00% of the time under Shaka.

But speculating is fun, so carry on ...
Agreed. Plus MU and fans will judge Shaka on wins and loses. As long as everything is above board and ethical, nobody cares what the system is, they care about the results.

Personally, transfers or no transfers doesn't matter. Wins do.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on December 08, 2025, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 11:10:34 AMMU's offense is light years ahead of the defense. If we could shoot at a reasonable (not great or even above average) clip, we'd be significantly better. Shaka's offense (#120 PPG) looks fine to me, the defense (# 252 in PPG) is an abortion.

I don't think strictly looking at PPG is the best way to analyze our offense vs. our defense.

Our ORtg on KenPom is 119th and our DRtg is 82nd.  Both awful but at least this particular source says our D is considerably better than our O.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 12:04:50 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 08, 2025, 11:54:18 AMI don't think strictly looking at PPG is the best way to analyze our offense vs. our defense.

Our ORtg on KenPom is 119th and our DRtg is 82nd.  Both awful but at least this particular source says our D is considerably better than our O.
Fair enough. IMO, I see Shaka's offense generating plenty of good shots and I'm mostly frustrated by the shots they don't take rather than the ones they do.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on December 08, 2025, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 11:10:34 AMMU's offense is light years ahead of the defense. If we could shoot at a reasonable (not great or even above average) clip, we'd be significantly better. Shaka's offense (#120 PPG) looks fine to me, the defense (# 252 in PPG) is an abortion.

per game stats no matta.

This is some of the worst analysis I've seen ever.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 08, 2025, 01:26:21 PMper game stats no matta.

This is some of the worst analysis I've seen ever.
My bad.

My MUScoop analysis is ..... Marquette sucks.

Thanks for prompting me for a deeper dive. I won't let it happen again.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Newsdreams on December 08, 2025, 03:31:31 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 08, 2025, 11:10:34 AMMU's offense is light years ahead of the defense. If we could shoot at a reasonable (not great or even above average) clip, we'd be significantly better. Shaka's offense (#120 PPG) looks fine to me, the defense (# 252 in PPG) is an abortion.
Was replying to the poster upset about Shaka's defensive emphasis.
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 05, 2026, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 06, 2025, 07:50:48 AMDoes Marcus Lemonis support MU hoops?

Apparently this is what Marcus Lemonis has been up to.



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Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on January 05, 2026, 03:52:10 PM
B,B+B closed all of its places here in California as they didn't pencil out given the existing business climate
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: mug644 on January 05, 2026, 03:53:36 PM
Did the name of the company at the bottom of his letter really have a typo ("Bead Bath & Beyond"?!
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 05, 2026, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: mug644 on January 05, 2026, 03:53:36 PMDid the name of the company at the bottom of his letter really have a typo ("Bead Bath & Beyond"?!

BB&B has been owned by Overstock who bought the name and is a full online only company.   
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: mug644 on January 05, 2026, 04:04:48 PM
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 05, 2026, 03:59:56 PMBB&B has been owned by Overstock who bought the name and is a full online only company.   

Ok, but I'm curious if the letter you posted was a copy and paste, and included a misspelling of the word Bed at the end, under his name and title. If so, quite funny. If that was a typo that you made, no biggie (I'm not interested in being the grammar or spelling police).
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 05, 2026, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: mug644 on January 05, 2026, 04:04:48 PMOk, but I'm curious if the letter you posted was a copy and paste, and included a misspelling of the word Bed at the end, under his name and title. If so, quite funny. If that was a typo that you made, no biggie (I'm not interested in being the grammar or spelling police).

Ah, just noticed.  That is a typo. It was a jpg at the end of the email so I had to type, obviously incorrectly. 
Title: Re: Both Hands Tied Behind Our Back
Post by: Jay Bee on January 05, 2026, 06:54:11 PM
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 05, 2026, 06:43:03 PMAh, just noticed.  That is a typo. It was a jpg at the end of the email so I had to type, obviously incorrectly. 

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