I haven't been all that impressed with them to tell you the truth. Boyd and Blackwell can go off and are good scorers, and they obviously have much better bigs, but we're not talking about worldbeaters here. They will cough it up, the question is will we be able to take advantage? They're also not particularly deep. They have another guard off the bench that can hit 3's, Carrington maybe. 2nd shots is the biggest concern and of course the trifecta. Defensively, they aren't particularly impressive. I guess what I'm saying is I'm not sure they're better than Oklahoma or Dayton. I get we still have probably a 5% chance, and less if we can't hit any threes. Winter is a problem for sure. All that said, stranger things have happened in the annals of 🏀.
No way I would take MU.
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 03, 2025, 08:12:02 AMNo way I would take MU.
I agree. I'm just throwing it out there. We have to plwy with the mentality that this is a great opportunity to erase some pain.
No crazier than them beating us here in 2022. That happened because Chucky hit some of the stupidest shots ever, including the turnaround fade away three near the end of regulation. If we shoot 40+% from three, decent chance we get the win, but I'm not at all convinced we can shoot that well for a full game against anyone, much less a high-major on the road.
Based on press conference comments, sounds like a small chance Sean will be back.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2025, 08:23:54 AMNo crazier than them beating us here in 2022. That happened because Chucky hit some of the stupidest shots ever, including the turnaround fade away three near the end of regulation. If we shoot 40+% from three, decent chance we get the win, but I'm not at all convinced we can shoot that well for a full game against anyone, much less a high-major on the road.
40% from 3 is a tall order. I would take the under on that one.
I wouldnt pick us to win but Wisconsin isnt that great either. Crazier things have happened.
Book it. Hello, 6-4.
There is simply no way we beat them.
First true road game of careers for some of the better players on our team. We can't shoot, they score a ton.
If this game is within 15 I would be stunned. If we keep the Purdue game within 25 I would be stunned.
There is simply no chance.
I doubt we win. Though we did win during ellensons year and during Wojo's last craptastic season and they beat us during our best year of modern basketball so maybe these guys pull some tricks out of their hat.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2025, 10:36:25 AMThere is simply no way we beat them.
First true road game of careers for some of the better players on our team. We can't shoot, they score a ton.
If this game is within 15 I would be stunned. If we keep the Purdue game within 25 I would be stunned.
There is simply no chance.
Based on yesterday's offense if we score at all against Purdue I'd be stunned
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2025, 10:36:25 AMThere is simply no chance.
Technically there's about a 1 in 5 chance. I also have a hard time believing this MU team would beat UW 1 out of every 5 times, but there is a chance.
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 03, 2025, 10:19:54 AM40% from 3 is a tall order. I would take the under on that one.
Probably, but their last four opponents all shot 38.9% or better. Tall order, not impossible.
Did you watch the first half yesterday, maybe one of the worst half's in years. Play like that against Wisky, MU will be down by 25!
Only chance they have would be play James, Ross, Stevens, parham, and gold all 30+ minutes and give 0 minutes to Hamilton
Quote from: Duane6 on December 03, 2025, 10:57:40 AMOnly chance they have would be play James, Ross, Stevens, parham, and gold all 30+ minutes and give 0 minutes to Hamilton
We are mistaking Hamilton being are biggest problem with having adequate guards not named Ross.
Nigel James is good. Norman should also play 0 minutes. I'm not exactly sure what Hamilton does well other than clogging up the paint and taking awful hook shots. Lowery can give you some minutes off the bench. It's pretty bare after that which is completely on Shaka
Throw the records out the window folks
Quote from: Duane6 on December 03, 2025, 11:05:44 AMNigel James is good.
For a freshman... yes. In general... not yet.
Every guard we have not named ross comes off the bench of a good marquette team
Fair point but I don't think Hamilton starts let alone plays 5 plus mins on any other big east team including depaul
Duane man, go out and get a breath of fresh air. We get it - you don't like Hamilton.
Hamilton is really bad. But is someone fighting against Duane on this not named shaka?
I've seen some people defending him on Twitter and on here so had to hammer it home. lol I'll chill
Quote from: lake on December 03, 2025, 11:07:59 AMThrow the records out the window folks
And the stats! hah
Chance to win ? LOL .... no chance
They will most likely get embarrassed.
Beyond how flat out awful they are, this is MU's first road game.
If they can't beat lesser opponents at home, how do they not get crushed?
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 03, 2025, 11:36:44 AMIf they can't beat lesser opponents at home, how do they not get crushed?
At this point, @UW might be a friendlier crowd that at home...
They are favored by 9.5 against Northwestern tonight and Torvik has them as a 6 point favorite.
Torvik has UW as a 9 point favorite against us so I expect the spread to be about 11 or 12.
The line from Dumb & Dumber, when Jim Carrey says to Lauren Holly, "So, you're telling me there's a chance" feels appropriate here.
I still have traumatic memories of 2001 when we went into Kohl ranked 14th and undefeated and they were 3-6 in D1 games. It's a rivalry game, throw out the records.
I think we go up by 10 in the second half, give up the lead late, go down one with :17 to play, and dribble out the clock. Or, will the third time be the charm?
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 03, 2025, 12:34:22 PMI think we go up by 10 in the second half, give up the lead late, go down one with :17 to play, and dribble out the clock. Or, will the third time be the charm?
Fourth.
Maybe ben will go 12-15 for 3s.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2025, 11:44:36 AMThey are favored by 9.5 against Northwestern tonight and Torvik has them as a 6 point favorite.
Torvik has UW as a 9 point favorite against us so I expect the spread to be about 11 or 12.
We know the underdog do better than expected — just ax our opponents like CMU and Valpo!
#pray #RRL
Glad to see Scoopers' sense of humor hasn't been diminished! Go Marquette!
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2025, 08:23:54 AMNo crazier than them beating us here in 2022. That happened because Chucky hit some of the stupidest shots ever, including the turnaround fade away three near the end of regulation. If we shoot 40+% from three, decent chance we get the win, but I'm not at all convinced we can shoot that well for a full game against anyone, much less a high-major on the road.
yeah, Chucky got us. That sucked. I don't think this year is necessarily a bad match-up for MU. Ross/Blackwell is somewhat a draw. I'm fine with James on anyone they have at point. We are more athletic. But Parham, Gold, Lowery have to show up. RED has had guys get us in the past I didn't count on, so maybe it's our turn this year. Owens, you up? But, MU can't shoot 26% from 3 or it's over. Their crowd smells blood, so gotta use their energy against them. I'm not predicting a win by any means, but not thinking 20 pt blowout loss either.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2025, 10:40:04 AMTechnically there's about a 1 in 5 chance. I also have a hard time believing this MU team would beat UW 1 out of every 5 times, but there is a chance.
Man, how we have regressed.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 03, 2025, 10:55:41 AMDid you watch the first half yesterday, maybe one of the worst half's in years. Play like that against Wisky, MU will be down by 25!
100% agree BC. I'm not sure we beat Whitewater if we play like we did in the 1st half yesterday.
My 7th grade might have beaten them, those kids can make layups at least!
Quote from: 79Warrior on December 03, 2025, 10:19:54 AM40% from 3 is a tall order. I would take the under on that one.
40% from 2 is a tall order!
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 03, 2025, 02:18:13 PMMy 7th grade might have beaten them, those kids can make layups at least!
We have no earthly idea how to play under control and off of two feet once we punch the paint. I'm not saying we shouldn't take traditional lay-ups or dunks off of one foot, but whatever happened to balance and a shot fake? Or rudimentary footwork with your pivot? We look like far lighter versions of the Bulls in Pamplona? WTF happened to a change of direction off the dribble? Drives me up the freaking wall. We are about as balanced as Humpty Dunpty.
If we play like Warriors we'll win with a lot of full court pressing and fast breaking. The rodents are old. We've got to play fast and out run them. Tired rats can't shoot well. Go Marquette!
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 03, 2025, 03:06:45 PMIf we play like Warriors we'll win with a lot of full court pressing and fast breaking. The rodents are old. We've got to play fast and out run them. Tired rats can't shoot well. Go Marquette!
Old? You make it sound like they're in their 40s or something.
Quote from: Viper on December 03, 2025, 02:01:15 PMyeah, Chucky got us. That sucked. I don't think this year is necessarily a bad match-up for MU. Ross/Blackwell is somewhat a draw. I'm fine with James on anyone they have at point. We are more athletic. But Parham, Gold, Lowery have to show up. RED has had guys get us in the past I didn't count on, so maybe it's our turn this year. Owens, you up? But, MU can't shoot 26% from 3 or it's over. Their crowd smells blood, so gotta use their energy against them. I'm not predicting a win by any means, but not thinking 20 pt blowout loss either.
Their crowd is quiet as hell.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 03, 2025, 03:52:39 PMTheir crowd is quiet as hell.
Wouldn't be to hyped for the net 150 golden chickens coming to town if I were a Bucky boy
Quote from: BM1090 on December 03, 2025, 03:52:39 PMTheir crowd is quiet as hell.
Yeah. It's definitely not like it was 15-20 years ago.
(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/dumb-and-dumber-theres-a-chance-gif-gif.208500/full)
UW wants to avoid a Q4 loss, they'll be fired up
We are now the team others want to avoid a bad loss to.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 03, 2025, 04:42:38 PMWe are now the team others want to avoid a bad loss to.
Maybe we can beat DePaul and keep them out of the tournament
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 03, 2025, 10:36:25 AMThere is simply no way we beat them.
First true road game of careers for some of the better players on our team. We can't shoot, they score a ton.
If this game is within 15 I would be stunned. If we keep the Purdue game within 25 I would be stunned.
There is simply no chance.
Gard always gets it done.
Saturday could certainly look like their game right now vs Northwestern.
Probably the only year you can't really that and mean it.
Quote from: lake on December 03, 2025, 11:07:59 AMThrow the records out the window folks
Quote from: Miss Katie's on December 03, 2025, 08:42:11 PMSaturday could certainly look like their game right now vs Northwestern.
Or it's good news for us? They won't play like this Saturday.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 03, 2025, 08:45:53 PMOr it's good news for us? They won't play like this Saturday.
They're currently shooting 47% from deep against Northwestern (with Blackwell being 5-7). Law of averages wants me to say yes, but our 3pt defense might have something to say about that.
Force Boyd right. Make the concerted effort. As for Blackwell? He's capable of going off but is definitely streaky. The glass is our biggest issue.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 03, 2025, 04:23:26 PM(https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/media/dumb-and-dumber-theres-a-chance-gif-gif.208500/full)
Yes Jimginia, there is a Santa Claus and a tooth fairy.
Looking at FanMatch for Saturday.. crazy to see MU / Becky sooooo far down the list. Really stinks. We're far behind glorious match ups that day like George Mason at Va Tech, Santa Clara at New Mex, OK St. vs. Grand Canyon, Boise St. at Buter, and Utah Valley at Bowling Green.
Will the game be over by the time my clinic with HURRICANE TYRA BLACK (https://ppatour.com/athlete/hurricane-tyra-black/) is done at 1:30pm on Saturday? Hope not.
Quote from: Miss Katie's on December 03, 2025, 08:42:11 PMSaturday could certainly look like their game right now vs Northwestern.
Why is that?
Because the BOT, board of trustees, have similar values. It's called priorities. Academic priorities.
I was active around here ten years ago when I witnessed decisionsto turn Marquette basketball into Princeton basketball. Here we are, enjoy.
The BIG issue was Buzz using junior college players. Now the issue is the transfer portal.
Nothing changes.
All that changes is that MUSCOOP is apparently more civilized. Not civilized, but more civilized. I'm now 82, who cares, but what goes around comes around.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2025, 08:23:54 AMNo crazier than them beating us here in 2022. That happened because Chucky hit some of the stupidest shots ever, including the turnaround fade away three near the end of regulation. If we shoot 40+% from three, decent chance we get the win, but I'm not at all convinced we can shoot that well for a full game against anyone, much less a high-major on the road.
For reasons that I gave when you said this on another thread, it would be MUCH crazier.
Quote from: vogue65 on December 04, 2025, 07:16:52 AMWhy is that?
Because the BOT, board of trustees, have similar values. It's called priorities. Academic priorities.
I was active around here ten years ago when I witnessed decisionsto turn Marquette basketball into Princeton basketball. Here we are, enjoy.
The BIG issue was Buzz using junior college players. Now the issue is the transfer portal.
This is just misguided. Shaka could use the transfer portal all he wants - he just doesn't want to.
And this team was ranked in the top 10 just a year ago.
Stop being so dramatic.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 03, 2025, 10:07:19 PMForce Boyd right. Make the concerted effort. As for Blackwell? He's capable of going off but is definitely streaky. The glass is our biggest issue.
Shooting,lack of in our case, is our biggest issue.
Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 07:35:50 AMFor reasons that I gave when you said this on another thread, it would be MUCH crazier.
It wouldn't be.
If you go through T-Rank, Marquette was playing like the #16 team in the country to that point of the 2023 season, Wisconsin was playing like the #55 team in the country. It isn't quite apples to apples, but when current #56 Butler plays at #15 St. John's this year, T-Rank has Butler as a +12.2 point underdog with a 14% chance to win.
Currently, T-Rank has us as a +10.4 underdog with an 18% chance to win. That's using preseason data. If you filter it to just this year, we are ranked #112 and Wisconsin is #35. If you look at when current #112 DePaul plays at current #38 Creighton, they are +11.4 with a 15% chance to win.
The spread was likely lower at the time because Vegas was factoring in preseason expectations that had us ranked #32 in kenpom and Wisconsin just slightly behind at #47, but we all know the gap in reality was much larger between those two teams. Any way you split it, the probabilities would be within a few points on either spreads or percentages.
Quote from: vogue65 on December 04, 2025, 07:16:52 AMWhy is that?
Because the BOT, board of trustees, have similar values. It's called priorities. Academic priorities.
I was active around here ten years ago when I witnessed decisionsto turn Marquette basketball into Princeton basketball. Here we are, enjoy.
The BIG issue was Buzz using junior college players. Now the issue is the transfer portal.
Nothing changes.
All that changes is that MUSCOOP is apparently more civilized. Not civilized, but more civilized. I'm now 82, who cares, but what goes around comes around.
the issue wasn't JUCOs, it was that those JUCOs (and other Buzz recruits) were eligibility risks every year, as well as the off-court behavior by players.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 04, 2025, 08:31:31 AMthe issue wasn't JUCOs, it was that those JUCOs (and other Buzz recruits) were eligibility risks every year, as well as the off-court behavior by players.
Correct. The issue was the academic eligibility, which is why we still brought in Jameel McKay from JUCO and would've brought Willie Atwood (ended up at ASU) had Buzz stuck around. As long as academics were in line, admin was okay with it, but some of those transcripts (Jae Crowder in particular) were disasters.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2025, 08:47:33 AMCorrect. The issue was the academic eligibility, which is why we still brought in Jameel McKay from JUCO and would've brought Willie Atwood (ended up at ASU) had Buzz stuck around. As long as academics were in line, admin was okay with it, but some of those transcripts (Jae Crowder in particular) were disasters.
when nearly every player on the roster needed summer classes just to get eligible that's a problem. Summer classes are meant to get players ahead, so there aren't PTD or minimum GPA issues. That wasn't happening under Buzz, and he didn't care.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 03, 2025, 04:46:56 PMMaybe we can beat DePaul and keep them out of the tournament
Keeping DePaul out of the CBI would make this season worth it.
Five years ago today a crappy MU team knocked off the #4 Badgers.
Granted, circumstances were unique.
https://x.com/MUOverload/status/1996585094811705662
Quote from: 1SE on December 03, 2025, 04:39:47 PMUW wants to avoid a Q4 loss, they'll be fired up
I had to check the numbers to confirm, but we are actually a Q4 game on the road right now. Our NET is 167 and the cutoff between Q3 and Q4 is at 161.
Only Q3 Neutral and at the Fiserv.
Yikes.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 04, 2025, 09:20:11 AMFive years ago today a crappy MU team knocked off the #4 Badgers.
Granted, circumstances were unique.
https://x.com/MUOverload/status/1996585094811705662
Bucky was a so so team that season as well.
Quote from: Nukem2 on December 04, 2025, 12:42:42 PMBucky was a so so team that season as well.
They were in a loaded Big 10. Finished #14 at kenpom and despite their 9-seed, 9 of their 14 losses came to teams ranked in the top-11 at kenpom.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 03, 2025, 08:37:54 PMGooollllllddd Brick!
34% three point shooter this year, by the way.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2025, 08:47:33 AMCorrect. The issue was the academic eligibility, which is why we still brought in Jameel McKay from JUCO and would've brought Willie Atwood (ended up at ASU) had Buzz stuck around. As long as academics were in line, admin was okay with it, but some of those transcripts (Jae Crowder in particular) were disasters.
Remind me - why did McKay transfer out? Was it his position/role?
Quote from: vogue65 on December 04, 2025, 07:16:52 AMAll that changes is that MUSCOOP is apparently more civilized. Not civilized, but more civilized.
Aww, that might be nicest thing anybody has said about scoop all year.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on December 04, 2025, 01:49:42 PMRemind me - why did McKay transfer out? Was it his position/role?
Yes, he came assuming he would be a 3/4 wing, but Buzz saw him better suited at the 5. They also weren't sure Otule would be back that year, so that might have impacted the minutes he'd get. So he went to Iowa State where he played two seasons entirely at the 5.
Northwestern could not get WI turnovers but if Marquette can like TCU did and Marquette makes 3s we have a chance
Quote from: The Sultan on December 04, 2025, 07:59:22 AMThis is just misguided. Shaka could use the transfer portal all he wants - he just doesn't want to.
And this team was ranked in the top 10 just a year ago.
Stop being so dramatic.
Shaka has a boss.
If the boss wanted transfers, the boss would get transfers.
Sorry, that's probably a little too dramatic.
O.K., if an academically qualified player with a strong basketball resume, good references and recommendations wanted to transfer and he would demonstrably fill a need, he would be signed.
Now to find such an individual.
Quote from: vogue65 on December 04, 2025, 03:15:53 PMShaka has a boss.
If the boss wanted transfers, the boss would get transfers.
Sorry, that's probably a little too dramatic.
O.K., if an academically qualified player with a strong basketball resume, good references and recommendations wanted to transfer and he would demonstrably fill a need, he would be signed.
Now to find such an individual.
If Shaka wanted transfers, Marquette would accept transfers. Why is this so hard to understand?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2025, 08:17:06 AMIt wouldn't be.
If you go through T-Rank, Marquette was playing like the #16 team in the country to that point of the 2023 season, Wisconsin was playing like the #55 team in the country. It isn't quite apples to apples, but when current #56 Butler plays at #15 St. John's this year, T-Rank has Butler as a +12.2 point underdog with a 14% chance to win.
Currently, T-Rank has us as a +10.4 underdog with an 18% chance to win. That's using preseason data. If you filter it to just this year, we are ranked #112 and Wisconsin is #35. If you look at when current #112 DePaul plays at current #38 Creighton, they are +11.4 with a 15% chance to win.
The spread was likely lower at the time because Vegas was factoring in preseason expectations that had us ranked #32 in kenpom and Wisconsin just slightly behind at #47, but we all know the gap in reality was much larger between those two teams. Any way you split it, the probabilities would be within a few points on either spreads or percentages.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this point.
When UW beat MU in 2022 it wasn't considered an upset. If MU wins on Saturday as a double digit underdog it would be a shocker, especially to anyone who has watched MU struggle at home against CMU and Valpo.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 04, 2025, 03:18:02 PMIf Shaka wanted transfers, Marquette would accept transfers. Why is this so hard to understand?
Because there are selection criteria.
You are correct, I don't know the rest of the story. Nevertheless, Marquette looks to me more like Northwestern or Princeton than St. John's or Seton Hall.
Remember when the decision-makers wanted MU to reassemble Duke?
Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 03:20:24 PMWhen UW beat MU in 2022 it wasn't considered an upset.
It was literally an upset.
Quote from: vogue65 on December 04, 2025, 03:23:02 PMBecause there are selection criteria.
You are correct, I don't know the rest of the story. Nevertheless, Marquette looks to me more like Northwestern or Princeton than St. John's or Seton Hall.
Remember when the decision-makers wanted MU to reassemble Duke?
I think it's safe to say that you don't know any of the story.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2025, 03:08:19 PMYes, he came assuming he would be a 3/4 wing, but Buzz saw him better suited at the 5. They also weren't sure Otule would be back that year, so that might have impacted the minutes he'd get. So he went to Iowa State where he played two seasons entirely at the 5.
Wasn't there talk of redshirting him too? Maybe I'm misremembering that part.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 04, 2025, 03:26:37 PMIt was literally an upset.
If you consider it an upset any time a team favored by a couple of points loses,maybe it was. But I'll bet if you went back and looked at reports of that game you wouldn't see headlines like "Badgers Upset Eagles" or "Wisconsin Shocks Marquette".
If Marquette wins Saturday you will definitely see words like that thrown around. In my book there's a pretty big difference in expectation for a game with a 4 point spread as opposed to a double digit spread.
If <insert definition of an upset> happened, then maybe it's an upset.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 04, 2025, 03:43:18 PMIf <insert definition of an upset> happened, then maybe it's an upset.
LOL. Right?
Quote from: The Sultan on December 04, 2025, 03:18:02 PMIf Shaka wanted transfers, Marquette would accept transfers. Why is this so hard to understand?
The idea that a coach with Shaka's resume would be handcuffed by the administration on a ubiquitous roster building strategy is laughable.
In the context of this conversation, I am disputing the statement that a double digit underdog winning would be no "crazier" than a four point underdog winning.
Even if the Badgers win over MU in 2022 was technically an "upset" by the broadest definition of the word, it was not considered one or reported that way at the time.
Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 04:35:04 PMIn the context of this conversation, I am disputing the statement that a double digit underdog winning would be no "crazier" than a four point underdog winning.
Even if the Badgers win over MU in 2022 was technically an "upset" by the broadest definition of the word, it was not considered one or reported that way at the time.
Marquette was favored by 6. It was an upset.
When Marquette upset #1 Villanova in 2017, we were 5 point underdogs.
Quote from: BM1090 on December 04, 2025, 06:00:24 PMMarquette was favored by 6. It was an upset.
When Marquette upset #1 Villanova in 2017, we were 5 point underdogs.
Yes and Yes.
So, what everyone seems to be saying is that if a 5 point underdog winning is an upset, and a 12 point underdog winning is an upset, then a 12 point underdog winning is no "crazier" than a 5 point underdog winning.
I don't agree with that logic.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2022/12/03/wisconsin-badgers-vs-marquette-golden-eagles-college-basketball-game-updates-at-fiserv-forum/69694329007/
Here is the JSOnline story on that game. I see no reference to the UW victory being an upset, surprise, or shock.
I guarantee that, in the unlikely event MU wins on Saturday, some of those words will appear.
Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 06:14:29 PMSo, what everyone seems to be saying is that if a 5 point underdog winning is an upset, and a 12 point underdog winning is an upset, then a 12 point underdog winning is no "crazier" than a 5 point underdog winning.
I don't agree with that logic.
What I was saying is that if UW beating Marquette wasn't an upset, then neither was MU taking down #1 and eventual national champion Nova. And we all know the latter was an upset. So the former was too.
Who the F cares! We should all be focused on a wide range of strategies to beat them and salvage at least aninfinitesimal crumb of the season.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 04, 2025, 07:50:10 PMWho the F cares! We should all be focused on a wide range of strategies to beat them and salvage at least a infinitesimal crumb of the season.
I might do that if I had any chance to have an impact on the outcome.
Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 06:18:28 PMhttps://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2022/12/03/wisconsin-badgers-vs-marquette-golden-eagles-college-basketball-game-updates-at-fiserv-forum/69694329007/
Here is the JSOnline story on that game. I see no reference to the UW victory being an upset, surprise, or shock.
I guarantee that, in the unlikely event MU wins on Saturday, some of those words will appear.
This was a fun article to reread. I had *completely* forgotten about those two failed inbounds passes from Kolek, but now remember how pissed I was at him and Shaka at the time for not drawing up something that would, you know, at least give us a chance to take a freaking shot. Funny how some games or moments stick with you, and some don't.
Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 06:14:29 PMSo, what everyone seems to be saying is that if a 5 point underdog winning is an upset, and a 12 point underdog winning is an upset, then a 12 point underdog winning is no "crazier" than a 5 point underdog winning.
I don't agree with that logic.
No, that's not the point. The point was that had those teams been accurately reflected without preseason bias impacting the projections, we would've been a bigger favorite in that game, similar to the line we're likely to see on Saturday.
Quote from: vogue65 on December 04, 2025, 03:23:02 PMRemember when the decision-makers wanted MU to reassemble Duke?
I didn't know Duke had to be put back together
Tyler Kolek couldn't read but we're a roster of Princeton students?
How out of touch have MU fans become? Good Lord.
+10.5 to open
+490 ML
Brutal
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 05, 2025, 01:25:06 PM+10.5 to open
+490 ML
Brutal
Might be the first line to make sense all year.
Considering how explosive UW's offense is, taking UW and giving the points seems like a good bet.
Quote from: wisblue on December 05, 2025, 02:17:32 PMConsidering how explosive UW's offense is, taking UW and giving the points seems like a good bet.
They're capable, "explosive" is a bit of a stretch. That's not to say they won't light us up, but that 26 pts in the 2H they laid on the Horned Frogs, wasn't exactly impressive.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 05, 2025, 03:24:22 PMThey're capable, "explosive" is a bit of a stretch. That's not to say they won't light us up, but that 26 pts in the 2H they laid on the Horned Frogs, wasn't exactly impressive.
Yeah, well our defense is six shades of total ass, and we probably can't keep up on offense.
I'd take UW -10.5
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 05, 2025, 03:30:11 PMI'd take UW -10.5
For just the first half or the whole game? Steele predicted we'll get blown out 82-67 in his pregame article.
At least we were mentioned in the article.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 05, 2025, 04:40:32 PMFor just the first half or the whole game? Steele predicted we'll get blown out 82-67 in his pregame article.
I'd be pretty happy if we managed to keep it that close
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 05, 2025, 04:40:32 PMFor just the first half or the whole game? Steele predicted we'll get blown out 82-67 in his pregame article.
Steele is pretty objective. Probably no one wants MU to be successful more because it increases readership. But he's no fanboy.
Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 08:15:25 PMI might do that if I had any chance to have an impact on the outcome.
Remember Muggsy has a 28 point plan ready to go in the locker room and demand Shaka implements it
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 05, 2025, 05:00:37 PMSteele is pretty objective. Probably no one wants MU to be successful more because it increases readership. But he's no fanboy.
He's also a Madison alum.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 05, 2025, 05:31:14 PMRemember Muggsy has a 28 point plan ready to go in the locker room and demand Shaka implements it
There's a reason it's the 5 pt plan and not Basketball related.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 05, 2025, 03:30:11 PMYeah, well our defense is six shades of total ass, and we probably can't keep up on offense.
I'd take UW -10.5
I don't disagree with you. Tremendously upsetting.
The Kenpom Badger bias in effect
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2025, 12:53:08 PMThey were in a loaded Big 10. Finished #14 at kenpom and despite their 9-seed, 9 of their 14 losses came to teams ranked in the top-11 at kenpom.
'Tis the season for a Christmas miracle.
10.5 point dogs on the road with the way we've been playing is generous. The game must be played. We need a record day for the season so far hitting shots. Then we need defense. Tall order, but the game must be played. Go Marquette!
Taking MU money line. Time to get rich(er).
Why did Valpo nearly win?
Could it be because they didn't have to win?
No pressure, they played lose as a goose.
We had to win, we nearly (I'm being kind) panicked.
Winners play with intuition, they believe in themselves and their teammates.
I think we have too many players who believe in their teammates, but not in themselves.
Too much time sitting on the bench being good teammates, cheerleaders if you will.
Too much time watching videos.
Just play.
I wouldn't bet a dime for or against this team.
When they start showing a sweat, imight reconsider.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 05, 2025, 03:30:11 PMYeah, well our defense is six shades of total ass, and we probably can't keep up on offense.
I'd take UW -10.5
Very solid, made me laugh
Take the points
Pouring $$$ on MU to win
Haven't been this calm before this game maybe ever. Even Wojo's first team in '14 where rodents were returning a FF team and #2 I think. That year we were defending home court and felt like it was opportunity to establish our identity under new coach as our rebuild started. Knew we were going to get beat up that day, but felt we had to show some fight still, which we did.
Today, 5th year coach overseeing a massive decline. Depressing.
Hutch - Sadly, I agree. This has the makings of a total A$$ kicking, and one of the worst since KO revived the program.
The fact that this is the first road game makes it even worse. If MU stays within 10 to 15 pts I will be shocked.
Quote from: Mu8891 on December 06, 2025, 08:26:37 AMHutch - Sadly, I agree. This has the makings of a total A$$ kicking, and one of the worst since KO revived the program.
The fact that this is the first road game makes it even worse. If MU stays within 10 to 15 pts I will be shocked.
And the rodents are good, but not world beaters by any stretch. It's a reflection of how awful we've shown.
We need a win today or next Saturday to avoid our first losing non-conference season in 25 years.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 06, 2025, 09:31:08 AMWe need a win today or next Saturday to avoid our first losing non-conference season in 25 years.
Wow. It's a very depressing possibility, Brew.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2025, 08:06:46 AMHaven't been this calm before this game maybe ever. Even Wojo's first team in '14 where rodents were returning a FF team and #2 I think. That year we were defending home court and felt like it was opportunity to establish our identity under new coach as our rebuild started. Knew we were going to get beat up that day, but felt we had to show some fight still, which we did.
Today, 5th year coach overseeing a massive decline. Depressing.
Expect us to fully look the part of the Q4 team that we currently are sadly. "Our way" has been easy for other teams to game plan for and has just been rerun after rerun every game so far. Expecting zero adjustments in any aspect of the game and a total blow out as a result. It wouldn't take much for me to be pleasantly surprised this afternoon.
Even in our best years, this is the one game I really cared about almost more than any other game.
This year I don't even care if I watch it.
15%. (And no, I will not be putting anything of value on the line)
Ye of !little faith. Shake will unleash his havoc defense today wearing out the old semi pro weasels.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 06, 2025, 10:05:04 AMThis year I don't even care if I watch it.
My wife is so pissed off at this team that she is not going to watch today. I will hang in
but I expect some bad language will happen.
Upsets happen just about every day in college basketball. Marquette's gonna win this game.
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2025, 11:34:09 AMUpsets happen just about every day in college basketball. Marquette's gonna win this game.
Send the pipe my way plz
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2025, 11:34:09 AMUpsets happen just about every day in college basketball. Marquette's gonna win this game.
Our roster isn't set up to upset anyone. You can't pull an upset on the road without an elite shooting day or an elite defensive day. Sometimes it takes both. We don't have the capability of either.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 11:40:28 AMOur roster isn't set up to upset anyone. You can't pull an upset on the road without an elite shooting day or an elite defensive day. Sometimes it takes both. We don't have the capability of either.
It's extremely unlikely but to say it's impossible is ludicrous.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 11:40:28 AMOur roster isn't set up to upset anyone. You can't pull an upset on the road without an elite shooting day or an elite defensive day. Sometimes it takes both. We don't have the capability of either.
Cmon...
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 06, 2025, 11:51:29 AMIt's extremely unlikely but to say it's impossible is ludicrous.
Nothing is impossible so they say, but it has nothing to do with them and everything to do about us. We are bad.
Damarius Owens didn't make the trip. Sean Jones is warming up.
Owens sick... of not playing?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 06, 2025, 08:06:46 AMHaven't been this calm before this game maybe ever. Even Wojo's first team in '14 where rodents were returning a FF team and #2 I think. That year we were defending home court and felt like it was opportunity to establish our identity under new coach as our rebuild started. Knew we were going to get beat up that day, but felt we had to show some fight still, which we did.
Today, 5th year coach overseeing a massive decline. Depressing.
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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 12:00:48 PMDamarius Owens didn't make the trip. Sean Jones is warming up.
Hmm, I guess
@Pakuni isn't going to get his wish.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 12:00:48 PMDamarius Owens didn't make the trip. Sean Jones is warming up.
WTF?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 12:00:48 PMDamarius Owens didn't make the trip. Sean Jones is warming up.
Apparently he is sick.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 06, 2025, 09:31:08 AMWe need a win today or next Saturday to avoid our first losing non-conference season in 25 years.
Where does this season's non-con SOS fall compared to others?
I swear I'm not being argumentative or playing semantics. We stink either way. Just curious
Praying for a miracle.
Unreal starting lineup.
Sean Jones
Chase
Stevens
Gold
Hamilton
Edit: graphic changed to Nigel. Phew.
We got this. Ran into a couple wearing Badger gear on the way to the farmers market this morning. Turns out the dude went to MU, and I asked why the hell is he wearing Badger gear. Kids, I guess. Anyway, he says MU is winning, so that combined with a beautiful marina, a Christmas parade, and a few spicy bloodys lead me to believe he is right. Go Marquette!!
Zaide benched
Nigel
Chase
Adrien
Ben
Caedin
starting
How does Zaide get benched before Caedin? Ridiculous.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 12:48:39 PMZaide benched
Nigel
Chase
Adrien
Ben
Caedin
starting
How does Zaide get benched before Caedin? Ridiculous.
Cause Zaide can't play the 5
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on December 06, 2025, 12:51:54 PMCause Zaide can't play the 5
Who cares? Ben can. Royce is better than Caedin by miles.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 12:48:39 PMZaide benched
Nigel
Chase
Adrien
Ben
Caedin
starting
How does Zaide get benched before Caedin? Ridiculous.
Uh. They don't play the same position.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 12:53:23 PMWho cares? Ben can. Royce is better than Caedin by miles.
Well UW is big, I'd rather Caedin pick up a couple fouls than Royce at the 4. How bout we start Caedin and Josh!!
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 12:53:53 PMUh. They don't play the same position.
How is that at all relevant?
Caedin has by far been our biggest issue. Start Royce.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 12:59:06 PMHow is that at all relevant?
Caedin has by far been our biggest issue. Start Royce.
Yes. But Stevens starting has nothing to do with that.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 01:02:14 PMYes. But Stevens starting has nothing to do with that.
Had nothing to do with Stephens. I just can't believe Zaide's leash is shorter than Caedin.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 01:06:13 PMHad nothing to do with Stephens. I just can't believe Zaide's leash is shorter than Caedin.
If it has nothing to do with Stevens (note spelling), why the f*** did you bring him up???
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 01:22:13 PMIf it has nothing to do with Stevens (note spelling), why the f*** did you bring him up???
I didn't?
"How does Zaide get benched before Caedin?" was the quote lmao
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 01:26:26 PMI didn't?
"How does Zaide get benched before Caedin?" was the quote lmao
🙄🙄🙄🙄 Sorry. You brought up the guy Stevens replaced.
Shaka's using his TO's today.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 01:38:46 PM🙄🙄🙄🙄 Sorry. You brought up the guy Stevens replaced.
Yes. Because I can't believe he has a shorter leash than Hamilton who is our worst player to anyone with eyes.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 01:40:19 PMYes. Because I can't believe he has a shorter leash than Hamilton who is our worst player to anyone with eyes.
Honestly how do you participate here being such a basketball dimwit?
You really think this is about a "shorter leash?"
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 01:42:57 PMHonestly how do you participate here being such a basketball dimwit?
You really think this is about a "shorter leash?"
It most definitely is. Otherwise Hamilton would be benched too. Royce looks like our best player on the day getting to the basket. Hamilton again looks like the worst.
I have no problem starting Stevens in favor of Zaide but he still fails to address our #1 problem by starting Hamilton.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 01:45:41 PMIt most definitely is. Otherwise Hamilton would be benched too. Royce looks like our best player on the day getting to the basket. Hamilton again looks like the worst.
I have no problem starting Stevens in favor of Zaide but we still fails to address our #1 problem by starting Hamilton.
Sorry that I called you a dimwit.
You are a full blown dumba$$.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 06, 2025, 01:46:38 PMSorry that I called you a dimwit.
You are a full blown dumba$$.
🤣 So angry. For what?
Hamilton is terrible.
0.0
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2025, 11:34:09 AMUpsets happen just about every day in college basketball. Marquette's gonna win this game.
OK, so my attempt to push positive vibes didn't exactly go swimmingly. I blame Wojo.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 06, 2025, 12:12:08 PMHmm, I guess @Pakuni isn't going to get his wish.
Probably wouldn't have seen the court anyhow. Couldn't risk him lining up wrong in a 10-possession game like that.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 01:47:40 PM🤣 So angry. For what?
Hamilton is terrible.
...forgive Sultan. These are rough days for him...you know, his spiral into irrelevance. Either that or he's never fully recovered from getting toilet paper bombed by a window marksman from Schroeder 10North
Quote from: Viper on December 07, 2025, 08:57:29 AM...forgive Sultan. These are rough days for him...you know, his spiral into irrelevance. Either that or he's never fully recovered from getting toilet paper bombed by a window marksman from Schroeder 10North
Is this true? Was it followed by a swirly?