I presume Jones will be back shortly.
Does Shaka keep James in starting lineup or replace with Jones.
James is so much more better on offense, today he had 20 points on 50% shooting, 4 assists and one turnover. Defense he has to work on, but he is getting game time experience.
Jones better on defense, not close to James offense. But does Shaka go back to Jones due to his culture/development/retention philosphy?
I hope he keeps James as starter, Jones and Stevens off bench and Norman with one to two minutes a half, giving a player rest before TV timeouts.
He should keep James but RGV says start jones :/
James was a difference maker today (be we needed at least one more difference maker). Keep James, Sean as the backup.
I honestly never understood what anyone saw in Sean besides speed and athleticism.
Always struck me as an off the bench spark. Or, at best, defensive energy like Stevie.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 28, 2025, 05:21:01 PMI honestly never understood what anyone saw in Sean besides speed and athleticism.
Always struck me as an off the bench spark. Or, at best, defensive energy like Stevie.
JTY has had some very good moments. Don't forget what he did in Honolulu vs Kansas/Self. And he can cause havoc on the defensive end. I understand he was brutal to start this season, and seemingly hasn't improved his J, but he's still an impact player that hopefully can help us.
Muggs- Sean Jones is not an
" impact player " ... come on. And he sure as heck is not going to save this sinking ship
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 28, 2025, 05:43:05 PMMuggs- Sean Jones is not an
" impact player " ... come on. And he sure as heck is not going to save this sinking ship
I'm not saying he can salvage this season.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 28, 2025, 05:17:57 PMHe should keep James but RGV says start jones :/
Why does RGV say that? Where does it even suggest that? Show your work, please. Thanks!
Quote from: MU82 on November 28, 2025, 07:15:27 PMWhy does RGV say that? Where does it even suggest that? Show your work, please. Thanks!
Idk how to use teal
Ah.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 05:33:09 PMJTY has had some very good moments. Don't forget what he did in Honolulu vs Kansas/Self. And he can cause havoc on the defensive end. I understand he was brutal to start this season, and seemingly hasn't improved his J, but he's still an impact player that hopefully can help us.
Sean Jones is not an "impact player"
Off/Def when Shaka can.
Have to start Nigel. He's been our 2nd best player.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 11:21:32 PMHave to start Nigel. He's been our 2nd best player.
And the only player that gives me any hope for next year - keep him happy and get him as much experience as possible - and work on his 3.
Obviously, James is the point guard for the duration of his career, Tre Norman, a defensive beast and pretty good penetrator the backup. Jones is a spark guy off the bench, can cover points and shooting guards and generally disrupt and offensively is at his best in transition. Obviously not a point guard, but a guard who can bring spark off the bench.
Quote from: JoanofArcMascot on November 29, 2025, 10:23:40 AMObviously, James is the point guard for the duration of his career, Tre Norman, a defensive beast and pretty good penetrator the backup. Jones is a spark guy off the bench, can cover points and shooting guards and generally disrupt and offensively is at his best in transition. Obviously not a point guard, but a guard who can bring spark off the bench.
Oh my Lord, you're not being serious, right? Like for some wild reason, Shaka put him in the game late yesterday, only to watch Pack drive by him for a hoop and hack? Among the many myths that are put out on this board, Tre being a good defender is one of the worst. He'll cheat up for an occasional steal. That's all he's good for defensively. We saw what he'll do if he's asked to actually guard a good player.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 29, 2025, 10:44:01 AMOh my Lord, you're not being serious, right? Like for some wild reason, Shaka put him in the game late yesterday, only to watch Pack drive by him for a hoop and hack?
That was another bizarro personnel choice by Shaka. I just don't understand.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 29, 2025, 10:44:01 AMOh my Lord, you're not being serious, right? Like for some wild reason, Shaka put him in the game late yesterday, only to watch Pack drive by him for a hoop and hack? Among the many myths that are put out on this board, Tre being a good defender is one of the worst. He'll cheat up for an occasional steal. That's all he's good for defensively. We saw what he'll do if he's asked to actually guard a good player.
He's a solid defender. Not a great one.
The issue with Tre really comes down to his shooting. When a defender forgets who they are guarding and closes out on him hard, he's been good at attacking closeouts and he's a patient finisher. But he's never going to be an effective offensive player in this offense with no threat of an outside shot.
Agree with Jay Bee (and others) that it's pretty clear the best 5 on this team are James, Lowery, Chase, Parham, Gold. Those need to be your main 5 and that lineup should be playing as many minutes together as possible. Would play Stevens as a 6th man. Jones when he's healthy as a backup guard. Give Owens some minutes to try to crack that potential. The rest should be getting spot minutes.
Its disappointing that Jones can't stay healthy. Also disappointing that Owens can't seem to play at this level. Shaka and the players have to practice winning out of bound plays.
Definitely need to start Nigel James over Jones at this point. I'm am still holding out a little hope that a fully healthy Jones can contribute, however, it should be off the bench IMO. NJ should have the keys to the car.
James.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 29, 2025, 01:31:48 PMDefinitely need to start Nigel James over Jones at this point. I'm am still holding out a little hope that a fully healthy Jones can contribute, however, it should be off the bench IMO. NJ should have the keys to the car.
Jury is out on SJ. In all fairness to him, he has hardly played at Marquette for the obvious reason. I don't think it is fair to categorize him yet. Give the young fella some time and see what he brings.
Quote from: nyg on November 28, 2025, 05:16:34 PMI presume Jones will be back shortly.
Does Shaka keep James in starting lineup or replace with Jones.
James is so much more better on offense, today he had 20 points on 50% shooting, 4 assists and one turnover. Defense he has to work on, but he is getting game time experience.
Jones better on defense, not close to James offense. But does Shaka go back to Jones due to his culture/development/retention philosphy?
I hope he keeps James as starter, Jones and Stevens off bench and Norman with one to two minutes a half, giving a player rest before TV timeouts.
I love how you'll keep asking questions like this as if it matters.
I don't think it matters that much who starts.
It might make sense to have Jones start and have him be aggressive on defense without worrying too much about fouls.
Shaka usually brings in a couple of subs about 4 minutes into the game and James could be one of those.
James can easily get 30 minutes without starting, and not having him start can avoid early foul trouble and keep him fresher for more minutes in the second half.
James looked like our best player.
Assuming James remains healthy, he will continue to start even after Jones returns.
He's the better player, and Shaka knows it.
All IMHO, of course.
Quote from: wisblue on November 29, 2025, 07:29:15 PMI don't think it matters that much who starts.
It might make sense to have Jones start and have him be aggressive on defense without worrying too much about fouls.
Shaka usually brings in a couple of subs about 4 minutes into the game and James could be one of those.
James can easily get 30 minutes without starting, and not having him start can avoid early foul trouble and keep him fresher for more minutes in the second half.
Why is it always either/or?
I think Buzz said, it's more important who finishes.
Starting no Matta
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 05:33:09 PMJTY has had some very good moments. Don't forget what he did in Honolulu vs Kansas/Self. And he can cause havoc on the defensive end. I understand he was brutal to start this season, and seemingly hasn't improved his J, but he's still an impact player that hopefully can help us.
Judging a player by his one shining moment is fool's gold, otherwise Ryan Amoroso would have been a lottery pick after the Great Alaskan Shootout.
Yeah his best game was probably v. Creighton just a week or so before his injury. Between Kansas and Creighton, he had a number of outings where he was largely invisible.
I like Sean, but there really isn't evidence that he is a BE level starter right now.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 30, 2025, 09:39:42 AMYeah his best game was probably v. Creighton just a week or so before his injury. Between Kansas and Creighton, he had a number of outings where he was largely invisible.
I like Sean, but there really isn't evidence that he is a BE level starter right now.
My favorite Sean game was against Kansas. He quietly dominated his minutes. Wish we could've have seen him healthy in that Sweet 16 season. Could've been a very helpful player in March with his change of pace.
Unfortunately agree with your last point as of now too.
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2025, 07:57:17 PMAssuming James remains healthy, he will continue to start even after Jones returns.
He's the better player, and Shaka knows it.
All IMHO, of course.
Would not be surprised if he goes with Jones.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 30, 2025, 10:05:45 AMWould not be surprised if he goes with Jones.
Would be totally surprised if he goes with Jones.
Id only be surprised if he goes with Tre.
I'm leaning Sean.
Nigel has been clearly better but I don't see any way Sean returns next season if he's a backup behind a Freshman PG and I'm sure Shaka wants Sean back next year because we don't have another PG set to return or on the recruiting trail.
You can't go into next season with 1 PG and Shaka won't want to use the portal to find a backup for a Sophomore PG either. I'm leaning Sean when fully healthy.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 10:28:49 AMI'm leaning Sean.
Nigel has been clearly better but I don't see any way Sean returns next season if he's a backup behind a Freshman PG and I'm sure Shaka wants Sean back next year because we don't have another PG set to return or on the recruiting trail.
You can't go into next season with 1 PG and Shaka won't want to use the portal to find a backup for a Sophomore PG either. I'm leaning Sean when fully healthy.
Let him go then . You start the clearly better guy and that's Nigel, plus may be better for Sean glass man jones to come off the bench next with all the injuries.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 10:28:49 AMI'm leaning Sean.
Nigel has been clearly better but I don't see any way Sean returns next season if he's a backup behind a Freshman PG and I'm sure Shaka wants Sean back next year because we don't have another PG set to return or on the recruiting trail.
You can't go into next season with 1 PG and Shaka won't want to use the portal to find a backup for a Sophomore PG either. I'm leaning Sean when fully healthy.
OTOH, Nigel could transfer if he isn't starting next year as well.
Shaka shouldn't let that concern him at all.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 30, 2025, 10:32:02 AMOTOH, Nigel could transfer if he isn't starting next year as well.
Shaka shouldn't let that concern him at all.
I agree but we can't go into next season with 1 PG and I think it is much more likely that Nigel comes off the bench than it is Shaka use the portal.
I'd rather see Nigel starting, no doubt.
He single handidly stopped the unstoppable Radford as well, so he has that going for him as well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 09:49:02 AMMy favorite Sean game was against Kansas. He quietly dominated his minutes. Wish we could've have seen him healthy in that Sweet 16 season. Could've been a very helpful player in March with his change of pace.
Unfortunately agree with your last point as of now too.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 30, 2025, 10:37:23 AMHe single handidly stopped the unstoppable Radford as well, so he has that going for him as well.
Incorrect.
That game was won with our frontcourt of Ighodaro/Prosper.
As I recall our bench was absolutely atrocious that day. Joplin couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 10:28:49 AMI'm leaning Sean.
Nigel has been clearly better but I don't see any way Sean returns next season if he's a backup behind a Freshman PG and I'm sure Shaka wants Sean back next year because we don't have another PG set to return or on the recruiting trail.
You can't go into next season with 1 PG and Shaka won't want to use the portal to find a backup for a Sophomore PG either. I'm leaning Sean when fully healthy.
That's silly. If the only reason you hand a guy a starting spot is because you're afraid you'll lose him to the portal if you don't ...
1. Why would you be more willing to lose James than Jones?
2. You're not a very good communicator as a coach.
3. Why would you be more willing to lose James than Jones?
4. You probably should look for a job in a different profession.
5. Why would you be more willing to lose James than Jones?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 10:28:49 AMI'm leaning Sean.
Nigel has been clearly better but I don't see any way Sean returns next season if he's a backup behind a Freshman PG and I'm sure Shaka wants Sean back next year because we don't have another PG set to return or on the recruiting trail.
You can't go into next season with 1 PG and Shaka won't want to use the portal to find a backup for a Sophomore PG either. I'm leaning Sean when fully healthy.
Playing the worse player for more minutes then the better player because we're scared of losing the worse player probably isnt the best strategy.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 30, 2025, 11:32:50 AMPlaying the worse player for more minutes then the better player because we're scared of losing the worse player probably isnt the best strategy.
Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 11:19:45 AMThat's silly. If the only reason you hand a guy a starting spot is because you're afraid you'll lose him to the portal if you don't ...
1. Why would you be more willing to lose James than Jones?
2. You're not a very good communicator as a coach.
3. Why would you be more willing to lose James than Jones?
4. You probably should look for a job in a different profession.
5. Why would you be more willing to lose James than Jones?
I agree with all of the above.
They will both get lots of minutes if/when Jones comes back. James has by far the bigger upside but he makes a ton of mistakes. With Jones, any outside shot is a bad shot. With James, I have confidence that his might go in.
I tried hard but couldn't think of one practical reason why Jones would start over James when he returns. I think anyone who says Jones is more saying that because they think Shaka is too stubborn to adjust the starters once the season begins.
Truth is that both Sean and Nigel are going to struggle defensively sometimes just because of their size. If they cannot generate a turnover and have to guard in halfcourt, it's going to be hard for them against a bigger guy. But, the other truth is that Nigel James is a really, really good basketball player who is only going to get better. Offensively, he is light years ahead of SJ. With Sean, he hasn't really played enough for us to know what we have. It is interesting, however, that, as one poster noted, Shaka needs both of them next year so has to balance egos as well.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 11:52:42 AMI agree with all of the above.
Good. It also means you agree that earlier post makes no sense.
Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 02:17:01 PMGood. It also means you agree that earlier post makes no sense.
It makes a lot of sense given what Shaka entered this season with.
If he wasn't willing to hit the portal this year, why would he next year? I hope he does, but I'm thinking he'd prefer Sean Jones stay than have to go to the portal and get another PG.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 03:42:27 PMIt makes a lot of sense given what Shaka entered this season with.
If he wasn't willing to hit the portal this year, why would he next year? I hope he does, but I'm thinking he'd prefer Sean Jones stay than have to go to the portal and get another PG.
It makes zero sense. I guess start Norman over Ross. Ross is gone anyway next year so may want to start Norman instead so he doesn't get mad and transfer.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 03:42:27 PMIt makes a lot of sense given what Shaka entered this season with.
If he wasn't willing to hit the portal this year, why would he next year? I hope he does, but I'm thinking he'd prefer Sean Jones stay than have to go to the portal and get another PG.
I think there are two reasons. First, if this year continues down this track, it will be the continuation of a downward trend that ends with the bottom falling out. He would need to realize that there just isn't enough talent on the roster and that his prefered method to build a team needs some alterations.
Second, I will be surprised if there are no transfers out after this year. I think it is one thing to sacrifice playing time when the team is successful, but bad seasons can become bad locker rooms, and players may just want to move on to somewhere else.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 30, 2025, 03:57:09 PMIt makes zero sense. I guess start Norman over Ross. Ross is gone anyway next year so may want to start Norman instead so he doesn't get mad and transfer.
That's a completely different scenario.
I'm all for Nigel starting over Sean and I hope he does. I just don't trust Shaka to do it.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 30, 2025, 04:06:29 PMI think there are two reasons. First, if this year continues down this track, it will be the continuation of a downward trend that ends with the bottom falling out. He would need to realize that there just isn't enough talent on the roster and that his prefered method to build a team needs some alterations.
Second, I will be surprised if there are no transfers out after this year. I think it is one thing to sacrifice playing time when the team is successful, but bad seasons can become bad locker rooms, and players may just want to move on to somewhere else.
I hope there is some turnover, preferably with Hamilton first...but if they already gave him the delusional idea that he is good enough to start here...why would he leave next year when he will be getting paid more.
I want to believe we will cut ties with those that are clearly incapable, but I'll have to see it first.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 04:12:13 PMI hope there is some turnover, preferably with Hamilton first...but if they already gave him the delusional idea that he is good enough to start here...why would he leave next year when he will be getting paid more.
I want to believe we will cut ties with those that are clearly incapable, but I'll have to see it first.
It will also be the players. A hypothetical here... Why wouldn't you leave if you are Demarius Owens? You were a top 100 player who can't get playing time on a bad team. And you have two years left to salvage your career.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 03:42:27 PMIt makes a lot of sense given what Shaka entered this season with.
If he wasn't willing to hit the portal this year, why would he next year? I hope he does, but I'm thinking he'd prefer Sean Jones stay than have to go to the portal and get another PG.
Wut? You're really struggling with this one.
Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 04:32:55 PMWut? You're really struggling with this one.
It's really not as difficult as
you are (Jay Bee peer edit) making it seem.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 30, 2025, 04:20:04 PMIt will also be the players. A hypothetical here... Why wouldn't you leave if you are Demarius Owens? You were a top 100 player who can't get playing time on a bad team. And you have two years left to salvage your career.
Maybe, but he'd also probably be leaving a lot of money on the table based on how Marquette is rumored to structure the pay.
He's not going to get anything lucrative in the portal based on how he's played. It will certainly be interesting to see what some guys decide to do.
Caedin, Tre, Damarius and possibly Sean at the top of the list.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 04:39:35 PMIt's really not as difficult as your making it seem.
Is spelling as difficult as you're making it?
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 30, 2025, 04:48:12 PMIs spelling as difficult as you're making it?
The guy I'm conversing with spelled 'What'... 'Wut' so it doesn't seem too important.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 03:42:27 PMIt makes a lot of sense given what Shaka entered this season with.
If he wasn't willing to hit the portal this year, why would he next year? I hope he does, but I'm thinking he'd prefer Sean Jones stay than have to go to the portal and get another PG.
I'm sure he'd prefer Sean stay, but not at the expense of playing his 2nd best player
Quote from: BM1090 on November 30, 2025, 05:00:35 PMI'm sure he'd prefer Sean stay, but not at the expense of playing his 2nd best player
We should soon find out!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 04:39:35 PMIt's really not as difficult as you are (Jay Bee peer edit) making it seem.
My post on the subject couldn't have been simpler: Nigel will keep starting.
You, on the other hand, made a nonsensical post that also "made it difficult," bringing in factors that had nothing to do with who's the better player. Funny!
Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 05:55:25 PMMy post on the subject couldn't have been simpler: Nigel will keep starting.
You, on the other hand, made a nonsensical post that also "made it difficult," bringing in factors that had nothing to do with who's the better player. Funny!
I'm in agreement that Nigel is better.
I'm just not sold that Shaka will continue to start him is all. I don't think anyone thinks Sean is better.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 05:57:34 PMI'm in agreement that Nigel is better.
I'm just not sold that Shaka will continue to start him is all. I don't think anyone thinks Sean is better.
I disagree that Shaka will turn back to Sean ... but at least this is less "difficult" than your convoluted reasoning about Shaka benching his second-best player because he's afraid of losing Sean to the portal but not afraid of losing Nigel to the portal.
Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 06:24:33 PMI disagree that Shaka will turn back to Sean ... but at least this is less "difficult" than your convoluted reasoning about Shaka benching his second-best player because he's afraid of losing Sean to the portal but not afraid of losing Nigel to the portal.
Freshman know what they are signing up for when they come to Marquette. Nigel is the first Freshman to start for Shaka so I don't think it would be even a little bit of a surprise to see him turn back to Sean.
We shall see soon enough.
I was going to start a thread about Nigel James Jr. and his odds of getting BE Freshman of the Year but I'll just put it here
Nigel will likely be on a short list with
Acaden Lewis and Matt Hodge from Villanova and Reibe from UConn for the award.
That, on its own, answers the question for me. Nigel should start and play a majority of the minutes, with Sean relieving him and giving Marquette a different look as needed.
I think Nigel will have a great shot at the award, given a full season of health
Starting no Matta
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 04:52:45 PMThe guy I'm conversing with spelled 'What'... 'Wut' so it doesn't seem too important.
Wut?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 07:37:08 PMFreshman know what they are signing up for when they come to Marquette. Nigel is the first Freshman to start for Shaka so I don't think it would be even a little bit of a surprise to see him turn back to Sean.
We shall see soon enough.
It would be a surprise.
If Scoop and the Coaching staff can't figure out which guy should get the vast majority of PG minutes moving forward, then we're way more lost than ever imagined. I'm done.
Quote from: MessWithAll on November 30, 2025, 11:45:43 PMIf Scoop and the Coaching staff can't figure out which guy should get the vast majority of PG minutes moving forward, then we're way more lost than ever imagined. I'm done.
Buh-bye!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 07:37:08 PMFreshman know what they are signing up for when they come to Marquette. Nigel is the first Freshman to start for Shaka so I don't think it would be even a little bit of a surprise to see him turn back to Sean.
We shall see soon enough.
Most of them do. Because they either redshirt or aren't ready to contribute much. James is clearly a better player, so he should be upset if Jones takes his spot that he already earned.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 10:28:49 AMI'm leaning Sean.
Nigel has been clearly better but I don't see any way Sean returns next season if he's a backup behind a Freshman PG and I'm sure Shaka wants Sean back next year because we don't have another PG set to return or on the recruiting trail.
You can't go into next season with 1 PG and Shaka won't want to use the portal to find a backup for a Sophomore PG either. I'm leaning Sean when fully healthy.
I know Shaka is all about culture, but what kind of successful sports culture doesn't begin with play the best guys or the guys who give you the best chance to win?
I need to know who the sean truthers are, and where they buy their drugs from.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 01, 2025, 02:41:44 PMI know Shaka is all about culture, but what kind of successful sports culture doesn't begin with play the best guys or the guys who give you the best chance to win?
Great question. Caedin Hamilton has started 8 of 8 games this season.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 28, 2025, 05:21:01 PMOr, at best, defensive energy like Stevie.
Stevie is a top tier Marquette defender. Pretty much only bigs were ever on his level. Its Oso, Jae, and maybe Trent if we are being nice to include another guard.
Sean has yet to be a better defender than upperclassmen versions of Markus Howard.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 01, 2025, 02:48:50 PMGreat question. Caedin Hamilton has started 8 of 8 games this season.
Josh Clark and Michael Phillips are somehow playing less than Owens.
Clark and Phillips are also playing less combine than Caedin is.
This is how your culture turns bad quickly.
I would think that given what James has shown so far I would have to think that James will continue to start after Jones returns. I don't however see the need to denigtrate Jones's game. I just don't get the either/or nature of people in Hoop Scoop. I see jones more like a pitcher coming back from Tommy John surgrry. he's fit to play and can play but it won't be until next season that he is back to where he was before the injury. Under an circumstances having Jones back is a big plus, now and intonext season. Further I think that Stevens and Philips need more minutes even at the expense of Norman, Owens and Lowery. The freshmen are tough minded and hungry to play and get better. The issue for the team however remains post play. Somebody needs to step up and be the third scorer. It shoulf br Gold but I think that ship has sailed and I don't think it is Hamilton this year. I am hopeful that Parham can smooth out his game and become that player before conference play starts. I'd also give Clark some minutes becaus he at least knows how to dunk and make a layup.
Quote from: Markusquette on December 01, 2025, 02:32:17 PMMost of them do. Because they either redshirt or aren't ready to contribute much. James is clearly a better player, so he should be upset if Jones takes his spot that he already earned.
Yup. Freshmen might "know what they are signing up for when they come to Marquette," as GE03 says. But Nigel's in a far different spot now than when he arrived on campus in the summer, when practice began and even when the season started. He has been elevated to PG1, he has gotten the minutes, and he has performed pretty darn well overall. If Jones is just handed the spot after returning from injury, I don't think James would just shrug his shoulders and say, "Oh well, I knew what I was signing up for." He probably wouldn't publicly protest, but he wouldn't be happy about it ... and it could lead to his early departure from the program.
Thankfully, this conversation will be moot. Barring injury, James will continue to start and get the majority of PG minutes.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 10:28:49 AMI'm leaning Sean.
Nigel has been clearly better but I don't see any way Sean returns next season if he's a backup behind a Freshman PG and I'm sure Shaka wants Sean back next year because we don't have another PG set to return or on the recruiting trail.
You can't go into next season with 1 PG and Shaka won't want to use the portal to find a backup for a Sophomore PG either. I'm leaning Sean when fully healthy.
Its disappointing that Jones is injury prone. Expected him to be a star, leading the team this year. It's sad that he doesn't play.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 03, 2025, 06:45:16 AMIts disappointing that Jones is injury prone. Expected him to be a star, leading the team this year. It's sad that he doesn't play.
Yeah, I doubt that was going to be the case.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 03, 2025, 06:45:16 AMIts disappointing that Jones is injury prone. Expected him to be a star, leading the team this year. It's sad that he doesn't play.
You did?? What evidence did you base that on?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 03, 2025, 08:53:13 AMYou did?? What evidence did you base that on?
I thought he would be that based on what the staff has been saying. Shaka was talking him up as ready to go last year. At one point, when asked about his impact another staff member pointed to Marquette having different players be back-to-back Cousy nominees (Tyler & Kam).
If you believed what the staff was saying about these guys, their self-evaluation indicated Sean would at least be an all-league caliber guy this year. Part of my concern going forward is their evaluations of many of these players and the belief this roster would be competitive based on said evaluations.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2025, 09:43:28 AMIf you believed what the staff was saying about these guys, their self-evaluation indicated Sean would at least be an all-league caliber guy this year. Part of my concern going forward is their evaluations of many of these players and the belief this roster would be competitive based on said evaluations.
That is the biggest headscratcher. We rolled with a strategy and bet on development, and it didnt play out. Move on and adjust, I get it.
But it didnt take a basketball savant to envision we would be in rough shape this year. The shock is 1. its worse than anyone envisioned and 2. it seems to be a surprise versus the expectations being set by the program and admin. It's almost like the coaching staff has no idea what a high level D1 standard is listening to the words versus seeing the development results.
The few Scoopers who think Shaka will bench James and start Jones when Sean is healthy are probably stunned that Lowery wasn't allowed to get off the pine after Shaka benched him in favor of Stevens yesterday.
I know it sometimes doesn't feel like it, but Shaka wants to win. He wasn't "loyal" to Lowery yesterday, and he won't be "loyal" to Jones just because.
Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2025, 11:44:55 AMThe few Scoopers who think Shaka will bench James and start Jones when Sean is healthy are probably stunned that Lowery wasn't allowed to get off the pine after Shaka benched him in favor of Stevens yesterday.
I know it sometimes doesn't feel like it, but Shaka wants to win. He wasn't "loyal" to Lowery yesterday, and he won't be "loyal" to Jones just because.
Now take that same approach and apply it to 18. Why is he still starting? MUBB is near 20 points per 100 possessions better with 18 on bench than floor. Parham, although he has not made a jump, is worlds better than 18.
Quote from: MUbiz on December 03, 2025, 11:46:58 AMNow take that same approach and apply it to 18. Why is he still starting? MUBB is near 20 points per 100 possessions better with 18 on bench than floor. Parham, although he has not made a jump, is worlds better than 18.
Because Shaka thinks that starting Hamilton and bringing in Parham off the bench is better for the team? One could argue that Shaka is wrong - and you just did - but I really don't think it's out of a sense of "loyalty" to Hamilton. Obviously, I can't prove it; nor can anybody who says it's only out of loyalty.
Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2025, 11:51:11 AMBecause Shaka thinks that starting Hamilton and bringing in Parham off the bench is better for the team? One could argue that Shaka is wrong - and you just did - but I really don't think it's out of a sense of "loyalty" to Hamilton. Obviously, I can't prove it; nor can anybody who says it's only out of loyalty.
When you are starting someone with the on/off stats of 18 and its not loyalty, it is malpractice - and that is worse than loyalty imho. We have enough empirical evidence to suggest that 18 should be seeing extremely limited minutes - I am questioning Shaka's ability to coach because of the head scratching minutes.
Over the offseason, I looked at some Texas boards, there were posts about Shaka being loyal and not playing his best players while at Texas.
We will never know the true reason why Shaka is doing what he is doing - but either way it does not look good for Shaka.
Starting no matta. RP plays more mpg than CH despite the fact that he is worse than he was last year as a Freshman. If you want CH to play less, there should be just as much teeth gnashing about RP playing better and making Shaka play him more.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2025, 12:00:55 PMStarting no matta. RP plays more mpg than CH despite the fact that he is worse than he was last year as a Freshman. If you want CH to play less, there should be just as much teeth gnashing about RP playing better and making Shaka play him more.
Fair - 18 should not be playing 20 min a game like he averages now. Starting or as a bench player. He should be leading the team in EGBs from the bench.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2025, 12:00:55 PMStarting no matta. RP plays more mpg than CH despite the fact that he is worse than he was last year as a Freshman. If you want CH to play less, there should be just as much teeth gnashing about RP playing better and making Shaka play him more.
Thats kind of where I'm at - we're short talent at a few places and that can no longer be addressed. I think Shaka should tighten up the rotation but mixing and matching amongst those that will get the majority mins at this point only marginally improves the situation.
Quote from: MUbiz on December 03, 2025, 12:03:18 PMFair - 18 should not be playing 20 min a game like he averages now. Starting or as a bench player. He should be leading the team in EGBs from the bench.
Sure, but somebody has to play, and I haven't seen sh!t from Royce that suggests that those minutes should be going to him.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2025, 12:06:22 PMSure, but somebody has to play, and I haven't seen sh!t from Royce that suggests that those minutes should be going to him.
We are 20 points worse per 100 possessions with 18 on floor. Does anyone know what Royce's on off is with the same other 4 players? My guess is not nearly as bad as 18.
Quote from: MUbiz on December 03, 2025, 12:14:43 PMWe are 20 points worse per 100 possessions with 18 on floor. Does anyone know what Royce's on off is with the same other 4 players? My guess is not nearly as bad as 18.
You can continue to repeat that stat as many times as you want, it doesn't change the fact that Royce has been worse than he was last year, while Hamilton has been better than he was last year. Royce has done nothing to suggest that those minutes should be going to him.
I wouldn't hate the idea of going small. Ben, Chase, Stevens, Zaide and NJ would have been worth trying last night, especially when Ben was matched up with 6-8 200 lb Dease who was consistently taking him off the dribble. Let Chase take that match-up and throw Ben down low with Tupuola. The problem is, for that to work, Zaide needs to not be awful.
Quote from: MUbiz on December 03, 2025, 11:56:49 AMWhen you are starting someone with the on/off stats of 18 and its not loyalty, it is malpractice - and that is worse than loyalty imho. We have enough empirical evidence to suggest that 18 should be seeing extremely limited minutes - I am questioning Shaka's ability to coach because of the head scratching minutes.
Over the offseason, I looked at some Texas boards, there were posts about Shaka being loyal and not playing his best players while at Texas.
We will never know the true reason why Shaka is doing what he is doing - but either way it does not look good for Shaka.
I think he is starting Hamilton because he doesn't want Ben Gold to play defense in the post so that he limits his fouls and makes a meaningful impact offensively. And he doesn't completely trust Royce there either.
It most certainly can be argued that Hamilton is playing too much. But he's not simply playing him for the sake of loyalty - otherwise, Tre would be getting huge minutes as well.
Could see Shaka starting both Sean and Nigel at this point to try to shake things up. Surprised Zaide has struggled to take a bigger jump - think his minutes are at risk if getting reduced by Stevens and Sean if he doesn't pick it up.
Quote from: The Sultan on December 03, 2025, 12:26:50 PMI think he is starting Hamilton because he doesn't want Ben Gold to play defense in the post so that he limits his fouls and makes a meaningful impact offensively. And he doesn't completely trust Royce there either.
It most certainly can be argued that Hamilton is playing too much. But he's not simply playing him for the sake of loyalty - otherwise, Tre would be getting huge minutes as well.
Good analysis.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 03, 2025, 12:36:00 PMCould see Shaka starting both Sean and Nigel at this point to try to shake things up. Surprised Zaide has struggled to take a bigger jump - think his minutes are at risk if getting reduced by Stevens and Sean if he doesn't pick it up.
Interesting, maybe we will be able to play fast and hound guys on D. Let's try it!
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2025, 12:06:22 PMSure, but somebody has to play, and I haven't seen sh!t from Royce that suggests that those minutes should be going to him.
Royce isn't the only option. Sounds like your take is CH's playing time is optimal for us to win games. Weird
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 03, 2025, 01:11:03 PMRoyce isn't the only option. Sounds like your take is CH's playing time is optimal for us to win games. Weird
I suggested another option of going small, you must have missed that. Weird.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2025, 12:20:04 PMI wouldn't hate the idea of going small. Ben, Chase, Stevens, Zaide and NJ would have been worth trying last night, especially when Ben was matched up with 6-8 200 lb Dease who was consistently taking him off the dribble. Let Chase take that match-up and throw Ben down low with Tupuola. The problem is, for that to work, Zaide needs to not be awful.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 03, 2025, 09:43:28 AMI thought he would be that based on what the staff has been saying. Shaka was talking him up as ready to go last year. At one point, when asked about his impact another staff member pointed to Marquette having different players be back-to-back Cousy nominees (Tyler & Kam).
If you believed what the staff was saying about these guys, their self-evaluation indicated Sean would at least be an all-league caliber guy this year. Part of my concern going forward is their evaluations of many of these players and the belief this roster would be competitive based on said evaluations.
Past evidence indicates that Shaka indulges in a lot of this sort of Coach Talk. However, nothing in Sean's ACTUAL performances indicated this, and that was before coming off a major knee injury. Expecting him to leap from "energy guy that couldn't shoot and got burned on defense repeatedly despite all-world speed, then had a major knee injury" to "star" seems like a fantasy.
For all the other good things the staff says about him, I just don't think he is a guy that can consistently help achieve the V part of RGV.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 03, 2025, 01:12:30 PMI suggested another option of going small, you must have missed that. Weird.
Suggest? You say you "wouldn't hate" it if Zaide isn't awful.
First it was CHs mins are fine bc Royce doesn't deserve them. Now you're hinting maybe smaller would be ok, but I can't tell.
Is your stance that CH's minutes are too high or not?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 03, 2025, 01:21:11 PMSuggest? You say you "wouldn't hate" it if Zaide isn't awful.
First it was CHs mins are fine bc Royce doesn't deserve them. Now you're hinting maybe smaller would be ok, but I can't tell.
Is your stance that CH's minutes are too high or not?
My stance is that everyone that isn't Chase, Ben and NJ's minutes are too high, but unless were going to start playing 4 v 5, 200 minutes have to come from somewhere. CH has been getting a ton of hate and I agree that he's not great, but there are no good options, and overall I'm more disappointed about true Sophomore's regressing than I am about a RSSP only improving marginally.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 03, 2025, 01:13:39 PMPast evidence indicates that Shaka indulges in a lot of this sort of Coach Talk. However, nothing in Sean's ACTUAL performances indicated this, and that was before coming off a major knee injury. Expecting him to leap from "energy guy that couldn't shoot and got burned on defense repeatedly despite all-world speed, then had a major knee injury" to "star" seems like a fantasy.
For all the other good things the staff says about him, I just don't think he is a guy that can consistently help achieve the V part of RGV.
Yeah, but they typically keep on with that coach talk until it's proven otherwise, then stop talking about the player altogether. The Sean stuff started nearly a year ago and continued until last month. I truly believe they THOUGHT he was going to be that type of player.
The other thing that gave me faith is DeAndre Haynes' track record with guards. Zavier Simpson, Ant Cowan, Eric Ayala, Tyler Kolek, Kam Jones, it was a pretty decent sample size and this staff showed the ability to get players to develop. The combination of the staff's belief and their developmental track record seemed like pretty sound rationale to believe Sean would be ready to be an all-league player this year (not necessarily first team, but someone in that top-15 players).
As much as it's starting to look like we had an awesome crop of talent on that first team that carried us for years, the way players emerged year after year gave me hope it would continue beyond the Guardians.
I thought Stevens played quite well yesterday. Mostly stayed with his man; made all 3 shots he took, including a 3 we desperately needed at the time; hit 2 big FTs; didn't try to force things offensively; and still had energy at the end despite having played most of the 2H and OT in place of the deservedly benched Lowery.
He obviously needs to keep getting better, but with Stevens and James, that's a nice start to a "backcourt of the future."
Sorry if that's being too positive about something having to do with Marquette basketball.
Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2025, 05:00:43 PMI thought Stevens played quite well yesterday. Mostly stayed with his man; made all 3 shots he took, including a 3 we desperately needed at the time; hit 2 big FTs; didn't try to force things offensively; and still had energy at the end despite having played most of the 2H and OT in place of the deservedly benched Lowery.
He obviously needs to keep getting better, but with Stevens and James, that's a nice start to a "backcourt of the future."
Sorry if that's being too positive about something having to do with Marquette basketball.
The future is now. Look at what the kid can do, not what he can't do yet.
Jones is a backup PG for 5-10 min at most. That's his role on this team.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 06, 2025, 01:58:10 PMJones is a backup PG for 5-10 min at most. That's his role on this team.
This year and next.
Huh. Jones is healthy but Shaka still started James. We were told 637 times by GE03 that wouldn't happen. Huh.
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2025, 02:59:34 PMHuh. Jones is healthy but Shaka still started James. We were told 637 times by GE03 that wouldn't happen. Huh.
Because we don't want him to get mad and transfer!
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2025, 02:59:34 PMHuh. Jones is healthy but Shaka still started James. We were told 637 times by GE03 that wouldn't happen. Huh.
I'm happy he didn't!
I really thought Shaka wouldn't have the balls. I enjoyed that part of today.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 03:11:05 PMI'm happy he didn't!
I really thought Shaka wouldn't have the balls. I enjoyed that part of today.
I enjoyed it, too, but it wasn't even a little surprising. What "balls" did it take?
Stevens got the start over Lowery, too, as warranted. Hopefully, Parham over Hamilton is the next decision that shouldn't be difficult.
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2025, 03:31:13 PMI enjoyed it, too, but it wasn't even a little surprising. What "balls" did it take?
Stevens got the start over Lowery, too, as warranted. Hopefully, Parham over Hamilton is the next decision that shouldn't be difficult.
Because I truly think Shaka doesn't want to sniff the portal. And Sean is almost certainly going to leave as a guy lined up to be a bench player in his Senior year. I'm all for it, I just think Shaka isn't going to like it. In a year that's already lost, I thought he would just play the older guy.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 03:36:00 PMBecause I truly think Shaka doesn't want to sniff the portal. And Sean is almost certainly going to leave as a guy lined up to be a bench player in his Senior year. I'm all for it, I just think Shaka isn't going to like it. In a year that's already lost, I thought he would just play the older guy.
Thanks for having the "balls" to admit you were wrong.
Quote from: MU82 on December 06, 2025, 03:31:13 PMHopefully, Parham over Hamilton is the next decision that shouldn't be difficult.
It only makes it more painful to deal with. It's 100% amazing. Crazy to an insane degree.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 06, 2025, 07:46:58 PMIt only makes it more painful to deal with. It's 100% amazing. Crazy to an insane degree.
But the hook shots. And the meaningless rebounds. How can you overlook those ?
Where can we get plus minus stats for every game?
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 07, 2025, 09:09:49 AMWhere can we get plus minus stats for every game?
I go here for stats. +/- is kind of useless so I don't know if they have it.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/2026-schedule.html
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2025, 03:36:00 PMBecause I truly think Shaka doesn't want to sniff the portal. And Sean is almost certainly going to leave as a guy lined up to be a bench player in his Senior year. I'm all for it, I just think Shaka isn't going to like it. In a year that's already lost, I thought he would just play the older guy.
A) You speak with a certainty that isn't warranted
B) Then UCF or some other mid-major will be lucky to have him
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on December 07, 2025, 10:45:13 AMA) You speak with a certainty that isn't warranted
B) Then UCF or some other mid-major will be lucky to have him
Again...I'm fine with it.
Just not how Shaka typically operates. He loves his guys and will do whatever he can to avoid needing to bring in outside players
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 07, 2025, 11:07:16 AMAgain...I'm fine with it.
Just not how Shaka typically operates. He loves his guys and will do whatever he can to avoid needing to bring in outside players
And again, you said the exact same thing - with total certainty - about Jones returning to the starting lineup.
In an age of uncertainty I will suggest that Jones isn't going anywhere regarless of his status on the team. For this season everybody should be damn glad he is back and playing. James will wear down as season goes on and Jones will be of great value. I thought he brought good energy to the team vs Wisconsin and given time to play himself into shape and back to feeling comfortable on the court I expect his performances to continue to improve. Since Smart really doesn't like to play people more that 25 or 30 minutes a game and I don't see a true point guard in the incoming class, I suspect that he will stay to contribute to an improved team next year regardless of starting or not. He could be a great mentor for James. Looking forward to next season I would expect Owens and Norman to leave the program giving Smart two shots at the portal. I think at least one of them will go to a senior or graduate student as a center to solidify the only real need moving forward.
Quote from: hawk on December 07, 2025, 12:11:49 PMLooking forward to next season I would expect Owens and Norman to leave the program giving Smart two shots at the portal. I think at least one of them will go to a senior or graduate student as a center to solidify the only real need moving forward.
This is a total guess, with zero to support it. But it could be as good (or bad) as any number of other total guesses we Scoopers have been making.
Everything is a guess until it becomes a fact. Knowledge is always past tense. My guess is that Owwens isn't playing because he either can't or won't buy into Smarts thnking. Regarless about what you think about MU's offense, they are scoring enough points to win games. Defense seems to be the real issue and Owens has never presented as wantng to play defense. I only surmise that Norman would leave because there seems no place for him to spread his wings at MU any longer. 15 players on a roster is a lot of players, I would not recind his schalorship but he may just choose to go.
Quote from: hawk on December 07, 2025, 02:59:53 PMEverything is a guess until it becomes a fact. Knowledge is always past tense. My guess is that Owwens isn't playing because he either can't or won't buy into Smarts thnking. Regarless about what you think about MU's offense, they are scoring enough points to win games. Defense seems to be the real issue and Owens has never presented as wantng to play defense. I only surmise that Norman would leave because there seems no place for him to spread his wings at MU any longer. 15 players on a roster is a lot of players, I would not recind his schalorship but he may just choose to go.
Is this like a fake account? Has to be.
Good lordt. There is no such thing as 'scoring enough points to win games). Our offense is insufferable and is the bigger issue... however, we knew there was an ugly floor this year. The defense, compared to reasonable expectations, has been brutally bad. Nonetheless, to be clear, our offense has been complete dog crap.
Quote from: hawk on December 07, 2025, 02:59:53 PMEverything is a guess until it becomes a fact. Knowledge is always past tense. My guess is that Owwens isn't playing because he either can't or won't buy into Smarts thnking. Regarless about what you think about MU's offense, they are scoring enough points to win games. Defense seems to be the real issue and Owens has never presented as wantng to play defense. I only surmise that Norman would leave because there seems no place for him to spread his wings at MU any longer. 15 players on a roster is a lot of players, I would not recind his schalorship but he may just choose to go.
Marquette's offense is ranked 118 out of 300 or so teams. That's pretty bad.
They had a top 10 offense three years ago, and top 35 the last two seasons.
The defense isn't great either (82nd) but it's higher ranked than the offense.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 07, 2025, 09:09:49 AMWhere can we get plus minus stats for every game?
Real sports app on your phone has it.
The average score for teams in the NCAA last season was around 80 points. MU averages about 81, thus they score enough points to win games. The key would be to not allow 82,thus more defense is required.
Quote from: hawk on December 07, 2025, 07:53:44 PMThe average score for teams in the NCAA last season was around 80 points. MU averages about 81, thus they score enough points to win games. The key would be to not allow 82,thus more defense is required.
Any points per game discussion without talking about the number of possessions is kind of useless. Marquette plays faster than most so they are going to have more chances to score...but so will the other team.
Quote from: hawk on December 07, 2025, 07:53:44 PMThe average score for teams in the NCAA last season was around 80 points.
#FakeNews #Lies
...and the other stuff is just mind-boggling dumb.