LFG!!!
We have no choice. We must subdue the Sooners.
Oklahoma uses the portal so Marquette's already lost.
Outstanding start.
Ughh. Focus Caedin!
Nigel!!!
Gotta d rebound.
Fouls? There are no fouls on Black Friday
Royce hitting the 3 helps.
Stevens!
LFG!!
"Marquette hot from 3". That is a sentence I haven't heard in a long while
First time all season we have looked composed on offense.
Not pushing into mistakes. Just making the right play. If you're open, shoot it. If you're not, pass it. If they give you a lane, drive it.
Making. The. Right. Play!
Playing with a lot of confidence for the first time this year.
Caedin with 2 great moves so far and nothing to show for them
Quote from: MUEng92 on November 28, 2025, 01:21:44 PMCaedin with 2 great moves so far and nothing to show for them
Point blank.
2 big threes for RP.
Oh so this is what fun basketball feels like
C'mon Zaide. Go stronger.
Wow that was an impressive block by OU
Zaide has to play with far more tenacity. He should have grabbed that ball.
Gotta finish. 3rd missed bunny.
Grab the ball Royce!
C'mon Royce that's two loose balls he should have gotten
NJ's was a 2. Bummer
I despise Caedin Hamilton and it's not even his fault.
He cannot be playing in the Big East.
Nigel!
Getting pushed around a bit. Gotta toughen up. Ben looked like a toddler on that block out.
Quote from: MUEng92 on November 28, 2025, 01:21:44 PMCaedin with 2 great moves so far and nothing to show for them
Him getting those looks is a good development though. If he can consistently create that he'll finish eventually
Zaide is so weak attacking the basket. He doesn't know how or want to draw contact. I like his ability, but a major concern of his game. And he's had two blocked now as a result.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 01:28:37 PMHim getting those looks is a good development though. If he can consistently create that he'll finish eventually
Plant, shot fake, relax, and dunk the fking basketball or lay it in. Period.
We'd rather turn the ball over than shoot a mid range jumper
Zaide will be a much more effective player if he learns to absorb contact at the rim and draw fouls.
https://x.com/bensteelemjs/status/1994488569277399431?s=61&t=VdvDjiXrC0JYT0raW4nA0w
Sure, that makes sense
Chase!!!
Great D Stevens
LFG!!
Quote from: Pakuni on November 28, 2025, 01:31:03 PMZaide will be a much more effective player if he learns to absorb contact at the rim and draw fouls.
And plant sometimes and shot fake. Drives me up the wall.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on November 28, 2025, 01:30:41 PMWe'd rather turn the ball over than shoot a mid range jumper
We have two turnovers.
Nigel James has been as good on yhe court as Fanta is bad in the mic. Good Lord
Chase has used 2 Kam moves already today
Get Royce back on the floor.
Is there a way Nielson can track if viewing households in Mequon are giving standing ovations when Porter Moser is shown on screen?
Count that!
Pathan's 3 going in means something is different today
The double heat check
Damn. Missed the two easiest threes.
Quote from: MUEng92 on November 28, 2025, 01:36:04 PMPathan's 3 going in means something is different today
Huge for us if he can find some consistency.
Owens and Hamilton being total 0's killed the season but there is so much else to be excited about. Thankfully Owens was accounted for in the roster construction by guys like Stevens and Phillips being able to step in.
We somehow had no backup plan for Caedin Hamilton.
Very inspiring start all else considered.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 28, 2025, 01:18:51 PMFirst time all season we have looked composed on offense.
Not pushing into mistakes. Just making the right play. If you're open, shoot it. If you're not, pass it. If they give you a lane, drive it.
Making. The. Right. Play!
100% correct. Move the ball, make the right play, knock down wide open looks.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 01:36:42 PMDamn. Missed the two easiest threes.
The reload was ugly mechanics
It's amazing how much better a team is when they're hitting 3's.
Find Pack.
Call the time out.
What's the call??
Sweet Jesus Zaide! Focus!
Execute and get a freaking bucket.
That's three of Zaide's shots in the paint blocked already
Coming back to earth
Unbelievable. Should have called a t-o immediately and gotten in their grills.
Ben gold, my god.
Just a piss poor end to the half.
Expected.
Just an atrocious 4 mins. Shaka absolutely should have called a time out.
Think we just need to acknowledge we aren't a good man to man team for whatever reason...zone has been much more effective
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 01:46:08 PMJust an atrocious 4 mins. Shaka absolutely should have called a time out.
Timeout wasn't the issue...we stopped making shots and they got back in the game as a result.
We should at worst be up 10. Zero points for 4+ mins to close the half? Total lack of focus.
One FT. We're so soft
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 28, 2025, 01:48:18 PMTimeout wasn't the issue...we stopped making shots and they got back in the game as a result.
The possessions weren't good. Didn't move the rock and took bad shots or forced.
So OU scoring the last 9 points of the half isn't great, but they also went scoreless the last 2:43 of the half. Could be worse
Quote from: MUEng92 on November 28, 2025, 01:50:25 PMSo OU scoring the last 9 points of the half isn't great, but they also went scoreless the last 2:43 of the half. Could be worse
True. Wright St. up 3 on Butler.
Decent half overall. At least the first 15 min. We look a bit better than the past few games.
Parham has never met a 3 point shot he did not like. Good attitude for a 25% shooter from 3.
15 good minutes, 5 bad minutes.
Will the Real Slim Shady please standup?
Sure wish these guys would embrace contact in the paint. OU with 7 blocks already because we're little snowflakes in the paint.
Like how the announcers kept on touting MU making threes, yet Oklahoma is right with them with 6 on 43% and MU with 7 on 44%. Oklahoma's been wide open because Shaka doubling teaming again and player kicks it back out to wide open player.
Difference is Oklahoma blocking 7 shots inside and Hamilton, Parham and Lowery missing a bunch of shorties.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 28, 2025, 02:00:26 PMSure wish these guys would embrace contact in the paint. OU with 7 blocks already because we're little snowflakes in the paint.
Zaide, in particular, could improve in that regard. Been volleyball spiked 3 times so far.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 28, 2025, 02:02:15 PMZaide, in particular, could improve in that regard. Been volleyball spiked 3 times so far.
Absolutely!
It's time to get back to finding our rhythm.
Quote from: nyg on November 28, 2025, 02:01:56 PMLike how the announcers kept on touting MU making threes, yet Oklahoma is right with them with 6 on 43% and MU with 7 on 44%. Oklahoma's been wide open because Shaka doubling teaming again and player kicks it back out to wide open player.
Difference is Oklahoma blocking 7 shots inside and Hamilton, Parham and Lowery missing a bunch of shorties.
The next time Zaide goes strong to the basket will be the first.
Looked like a slip to me there.
Let's go now. Move the rock, let it rain.
Maybd that gets Zaide going.
Three great moves by Caedin but bupkis
My goodness. I don't understand Caedin going one on one from 18 feet.
Great take by Chase there. Good plant in the paint.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 02:07:27 PMMy goodness. I don't understand Caedin going one on one from 18 feet.
Well, his four teammates were standing around watching so I don't know what else he could do
Finally Royce gets a loose ball
Let's go now.
Excellent take by Chase.
If Ben goes up with 2 hands, that's our rebound.
Quote from: nyg on November 28, 2025, 02:01:56 PMLike how the announcers kept on touting MU making threes, yet Oklahoma is right with them with 6 on 43% and MU with 7 on 44%. Oklahoma's been wide open because Shaka doubling teaming again and player kicks it back out to wide open player.
Difference is Oklahoma blocking 7 shots inside and Hamilton, Parham and Lowery missing a bunch of shorties.
Difference? We haven't trailed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 02:07:27 PMMy goodness. I don't understand Caedin going one on one from 18 feet.
That's on the coaches. He needs to keep it simple. He's too often trying to do too much.
I know he hasn't finished at all, but this is the first time I've seen what Caedin could become.
What on earth was that from Royce? Plant two feet in the paint.
My god Hamilton ..
Gift call
Wow. No foul on Oklahoma there. Royce out of control.
Wtf kind of move was that from parham..
He's not been perfect, but Royce's best game this year
Ughh.
Not much contact there.
Which swipe was called? Both Stevens and Nigel swiped at him
Critical stretch with Chase out of the game .
13 is a player
Ben needs to grab that ball.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 02:22:41 PMBen needs to grab that ball.
What are you watching, man? He was flying in and did absolutely everything he could. No chance for him to grab that. Only chance was to keep it alive, which he did.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 02:22:41 PMBen needs to grab that ball.
He has really stunk today
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 02:23:28 PMWhat are you watching, man? He was flying in and did absolutely everything he could. No chance for him to grab that. Only chance was to keep it alive, which he did.
He couldn't use his 2nd hand?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 02:24:27 PMHe couldn't use his 2nd hand?
When he's flying in and adjusting to the bounce while he's in the air? No.
Tre plays like he has today and he can be a solid 8th to 9th guy. Need to see more of this from him.
Ben cannot finish off of one foot in the paint.
I need to caution myself on Nigel. I get so upset at him making just so many mistakes, but he's a freshman. He shouldn't be required to shoulder the load. He should be a backup for a typical team right now.
Our bigs are getting abused on the glass.
OU can get the offensive board when one of their guys pushes two MU players out of bounds
Need to get our heads back into this one.
Hamilton is a very very poor defender
We're just standing around watching them get loose balls. Defense was fine that last play. Then we just watch OU get it back
We don't have enough to keep up. Caedin is a hole on both sides and Royce is being forced out of position much like Ben last year.
The effort is ok, the personnel is just a total failure by Shaka. Just such a miss by him.
Hopefully someone shows some fight here. We are in trouble.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 28, 2025, 02:30:12 PMHamilton is a very very poor defender
There's some potential, but I'm having a hard time seeing why he shoulf play 2p-25 mins. 3 rebs, zero points, 18 mins.
Gold has been absolutely worthless today. A senior
Good possession. ZL needs to lace that.
We were living by 3's in the 1st half. There is a lid on the rim now and we haven't found another way to score.
What is with these scoring droughts??
No moral victories to be had. Win or nothing
Missing wide open triples.
Good cut there from Ben.
I'm old enough to remember MU making 3 pointers in this game. Those were good times
Four good possessions in a row. Three missed shots and now Ben goes to the line.
We're not going to win many if we're missing these shots. The shot quality has been good.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 28, 2025, 02:33:25 PMGold has been absolutely worthless today. A senior
thinking the same.
Can someone please make an open shot
Chase been deferring lately. Needs to take over
Shaka's big man recruiting is just hysterical. unnatural carnal knowledgeing Make-A-Wish Coach.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 02:36:26 PMFour good possessions in a row. Three missed shots and now Ben goes to the line.
We're not going to win many if we're missing these shots. The shot quality has been good.
Agreed.
Nigel!! Maybe that wakes us up?
Did not need a 3 attempt by Nigel there.
Ughh. Nigel will learn to set up the O there.
Now driving Nigel=good.
Count that!! LFG!!
Random thought: Porter Moser has to be fathered by Don Nelson?
Let's go now!! Time to rebound and make open looks.
Is there any reason Chase isn't even getting a touch the last few possessions?
Pack is tough.
Great D Tre ::)
Time-out.
Fk.
Nothing you can do about that Pack triple.
Awful
Turned it off.
This team is bad
We don't have a go to guy to get a bucket. That's a problem.
Felt like the dagger
This team has two legit guys on the roster. 2!
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 02:45:10 PMTime-out.
Gotta hand it to the 24 years old in his 6th year of CBB.
Their 2 best players have taken over. Very upsetting that we couldn't make wide open 3's in tbe 2H.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 28, 2025, 02:43:31 PMIs there any reason Chase isn't even getting a touch the last few possessions?
It's just unbelievable. MU jacking threes, yet Ross not getting touches, driving. Well, until just now. Then another three miss. Shaka live and die by the three offense back on track. Gold is having very, very bad day. Davis is eating them up inside and Pack is having a Steph Curry day.
Quote from: forgetful on November 28, 2025, 02:47:10 PMWe don't have a go to guy to get a bucket. That's a problem.
We didn't have a field goal for almost 7 mins.
That should have been an and 1.
LFG!
Quote from: nyg on November 28, 2025, 02:48:29 PMIt's just unbelievable. MU jacking threes, yet Ross not getting touches, driving. Well, until just now. Then another three miss. Shaka live and die by the three offense back on track. Gold is having very, very bad day. Davis is eating them up inside and Pack is having a Steph Curry day.
Gold isn't an aggressive guy. Doesn't seem to have a feel for the game. Gotta roll with it, unfortunately
How about that, get the ball in your best players hands
And another double team for kick out three by Oklahoma. Nice turnover....
Will MU get a shot of this time??????
Do we get a shot this time?
LFG!!! Find a way to get Chase the ball or a dive to the rim on an attack.
Please draw up a play that results in a shot
Quote from: nyg on November 28, 2025, 02:59:41 PMAnd another double team for kick out three by Oklahoma. Nice turnover....
Will MU get a shot of this time??????
We have an extra sec. :)
I would hard throttle attack with Chase.
18 seconds and that is the best we can get. Sad.
Well I guess that was kind of a shot
Son of a B.
Unbelievable
Quote from: MUEng92 on November 28, 2025, 03:00:30 PMPlease draw up a play that results in a shot
Nice coaching again, good grief that was terrible.
We didn't get a shot off again.
That was the best shot we could get? Pathetic.
We covered. Small victories
Quote from: forgetful on November 28, 2025, 03:02:00 PM18 seconds and that is the best we can get. Sad.
Held the ball way too long. Three guys standing around.
Brutal, brutal, loss.
Enormous probs.
Shaka's a joke. Another massive fail with last possession
Good thing Shaka had a TO to set up a good play.
Great play call.
So the play was, Nigel dribble around, then Chase dribble around. Not a single screen or anything resembling a play
Quote from: nyg on November 28, 2025, 03:02:31 PMNice coaching again, good grief that was terrible.
Chase had a wide open look on the hand off from NJ. Same shot he just knocked down. No idea why he didn't take it.
Tremendous choke job by Warriors. To a team loaded with transfers. Surely Reeker will have some astute smart ass comment about Porter Moser outcoaching Shaka.
Gold looks tremendously improved as a senior. Not. Give the keys to James. Far superior to Jones. Gold absolutely torched on defense.
What a mess.Shaka now playing with all his guys. 5 years to judge? Hmmmm....Is there a gap? What is Reeker pontificating about the widening gap?
Double edged sword: we all want Ross to fire no matter what but i guess gotta pass if there is nothing there like that
Putting the ball in the hands of a freshman point guard only to watch him dribble 12 seconds off the clock was certainly a choice.
Best to take this season off. This is a horrible team.
I'm trying to be patient with this team, but c'mon with this coaching staff. That ball needs to be inbounded to Chase and he needs to control it the entire time, whether that results in him shooting or not.
Relationships are strong but in-game coaching is not his forte.
Certainly won't confuse a Shaka team being closers if any form. What horse crap again
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:03:47 PMChase had a wide open look on the hand off from NJ. Same shot he just knocked down. No idea why he didn't take it.
Lame as hell. Run something. No off ball screening. Nobody making the defense move. James dribbling out the clock for the second time.
Can Gold be any less of a contributor on offense?
The defense still stinks.
Just a bad team this season.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 28, 2025, 03:02:39 PMWe didn't get a shot off again.
By definition that was a shot. I think
The program has become an embarrassment overnight. How does that happen?
Actually unbelievable.
That is what you get when you don't use the portal when you don't have experienced players that know how to finish off games.
Ross is a great secondary player. Gold is well Gold.
Unbelievable. This nightmare season is all on Shaka.
It would be nice for Shaka to be asked what exactly the play draw up was there, and to explain what/where the actual growth is of these players he recruited from last year
Gold and Caedin bring nothing to the table, hard to win when they do nothing, great game by Nigel, looks like Owens is down for the count. Why not play Phillips in the second half when this team at times can not score. Last play was an abomination, two times now
Quote from: Big Papi on November 28, 2025, 03:06:27 PMThat is what you get when you don't use the portal when you don't have experienced players that know how to finish off games.
Ross is a great secondary player. Gold is well Gold.
Unbelievable. This nightmare season is all on Shaka.
CAREFUL. Wades, Vander Blue Man Group, and MU82 will say you're just being unreasonable. Trust Shaka and the direction he's chosen!!
Shaka smart ruined kam jones, David Joplin, Stevie Mitchell and chase Ross' senior years because he thought Caedin Hamilton is better than any big man in the portal the last two years.
Quote from: NickelDimer on November 28, 2025, 03:04:18 PMPutting the ball in the hands of a freshman point guard only to watch him dribble 12 seconds off the clock was certainly a choice.
You've got to punch the paint in that situation, make help come, and then find the open space.
Quote from: panda on November 28, 2025, 03:10:25 PMShaka smart ruined kam jones, David Joplin, Stevie Mitchell and chase Ross' senior years because he thought Caedin Hamilton is better than any big man in the portal the last two years.
They're all buddies. That's what matters to this staff.
The only ounce of silver lining is Nigel's quick ascension to the second best player on the team, however this is indicative of the lack of talent around him and Ross (Parham played better).
Quote from: panda on November 28, 2025, 03:10:25 PMShaka smart ruined kam jones, David Joplin, Stevie Mitchell and chase Ross' senior years because he thought Caedin Hamilton is better than any big man in the portal the last two years.
Caedin and Ben weren't Duncan and Robinson out there.
Nigel, go hard. No hesitation. Everyone crash the rim.
Or, Nigel, go hard...kick to Ross.
Instead, dribblethon at the top. Ugh
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 28, 2025, 03:06:11 PMThe program has become an embarrassment overnight. How does that happen?
Actually unbelievable.
After four great years Shaka has set this program back who knows how long with this abysmal roster construction. Just so many misses on the recruiting trail :it's crazy: this team will be near the bottom of the conference at least 2 years in a row with this crap
You can't blame the players, the experience, the lack of growth, the lack of execution.
This is all on Shaka.
The Shaka RGV marketing needs to go away.
8 seconds left. Nigel hands off to Ross. He steps into it like he's going to shoot the three. Dribbles instead. Goes nowhere. Have to shoot the ball.
They looked better today. The team isn't as bad as some of you are making them out to be. But they aren't good either.
And I thought Wades was hyperbolic. Some of these comments are out of control
Quote from: willie warrior on November 28, 2025, 03:03:59 PMTremendous choke job by Warriors. To a team loaded with transfers. Surely Reeker will have some astute smart ass comment about Porter Moser outcoaching Shaka.
Gold looks tremendously improved as a senior. Not. Give the keys to James. Far superior to Jones. Gold absolutely torched on defense.
What a mess.Shaka now playing with all his guys. 5 years to judge? Hmmmm....Is there a gap? What is Reeker pontificating about the widening gap?
plenty on Scoop mock the portal...sometimes justifiably so, other times not...but this RGV team is just awful aside from James. He's the deal!
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 03:08:05 PMGold and Caedin bring nothing to the table, hard to win when they do nothing, great game by Nigel, looks like Owens is down for the count. Why not play Phillips in the second half when this team at times can not score. Last play was an abomination, two times now
Yes, the starting big men Hamilton and Gold scored 3 points. Gold 1 for 7, Hamilton 0 for 4. Gold had 7 rebounds but two were slaps backs. Gold beaten on defense by Davis in second half was not good. Tough to win games when your starters, especially NBA bound Ben play like that. Parham was very good today.
Shaka cut rotation. No Clark or Owens. When Jones returns, I presume Norman is the next with very minimal minutes. Phillips got three minutes ahead of the much more heralded recruit Owens. See how this continues as season goes with Owens. No way he will be happy in current situation.
MU 2 for 11 from three in second half, same theme in Shaka offense. Very bad loss. Oklahoma, like MU has not beaten anyone and is probably a bottom feeder in SEC. The Wisconsin and Purdue games might be unbearable, then BE play.
Last 17 seconds...
Another TOTAL train wreck. My God !
Can Shaka coach a late game situation?
No ball movement. No play run. Dribbling and standing... then ( again ) he ends game w / a time out as it happens directly in front of him !
What the actual F ? >:(
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:15:14 PM8 seconds left. Nigel hands off to Ross. He steps into it like he's going to shoot the three. Dribbles instead. Goes nowhere. Have to shoot the ball.
They looked better today. The team isn't as bad as some of you are making them out to be. But they aren't good either.
The thing is we are losing to teams that are not very good. Our competition is only going to get tougher.
I don't know if I can stomach watching us against Purdue and Wisconsin.
Quote from: panda on November 28, 2025, 03:10:25 PMShaka smart ruined kam jones, David Joplin, Stevie Mitchell and chase Ross' senior years because he thought Caedin Hamilton is better than any big man in the portal the last two years.
I would also argue he did this to Tyler and Oso by refusing to find a replacement for OMax and just hoping Ben and Chase could be their whole bench
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 28, 2025, 03:17:33 PMLast 17 seconds...
Another TOTAL train wreck. My God !
Can Shaka coach a late game situation?
No ball movement. No play run. Dribbling and standing... then ( again ) he ends game w / a time out as it happens directly in front of him !
What the actual F ? >:(
No time outs left.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 28, 2025, 03:06:11 PMThe program has become an embarrassment overnight. How does that happen?
Actually unbelievable.
the trend last season pointed to this. Unfortunately, this season is unlikely a one-off.
Quote from: Mu8891 on November 28, 2025, 03:17:33 PMLast 17 seconds...
Another TOTAL train wreck. My God !
Can Shaka coach a late game situation?
No ball movement. No play run. Dribbling and standing... then ( again ) he ends game w / a time out as it happens directly in front of him !
What the actual F ? >:(
As good a game as James had (and I see him as a building block for the program), the ball should have been in Chase's hands from the beginning and drawn up for just what Tarik Turner called for - Chase going left.
Quote from: Big Papi on November 28, 2025, 03:18:39 PMThe thing is we are losing to teams that are not very good. Our competition is only going to get tougher.
I don't know if I can stomach watching us against Purdue and Wisconsin.
I get it. It's tough to stomach. We're losing to average teams. We could have pulled out the last three losses. We didn't. That sucks. It's killed our resume. Barring huge wins in the next few weeks our at large chances are shot.
We aren't a meaningfully different team if we pull out Dayton and Oklahoma, yet the vibes and attitude surrounding the whole team would be way better.
I expect them to be solid in BE play. That won't be enough to salvage the season because of the hole they've dug themselves into. But they're a lot closer to figuring it out than they were two weeks ago.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:23:26 PMI expect them to be solid in BE play. That won't be enough to salvage the season because of the hole they've dug themselves into. But they're a lot closer to figuring it out than they were two weeks ago.
The one saving grace for the season might be that the BE is not very good this year.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:15:14 PM8 seconds left. Nigel hands off to Ross. He steps into it like he's going to shoot the three. Dribbles instead. Goes nowhere. Have to shoot the ball.
They looked better today. The team isn't as bad as some of you are making them out to be. But they aren't good either.
Oklahoma will be near the bottom of the SEC. MU will be 0-6 in significant non con games. The criticism is valid
Quote from: Johnny B on November 28, 2025, 03:29:34 PMOklahoma will be near the bottom of the SEC. MU will be 0-6 in significant non con games. The criticism is valid
Its been a long time since I've written off MU having a chance to make the Big Dance in November.
Quote from: Johnny B on November 28, 2025, 03:29:34 PMOklahoma will be near the bottom of the SEC. MU will be 0-6 in significant non con games. The criticism is valid
Never said the criticism isn't valid. I said you're all being dramatic/hyperbolic.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:23:26 PMI get it. It's tough to stomach. We're losing to average teams. We could have pulled out the last three losses. We didn't. That sucks. It's killed our resume. Barring huge wins in the next few weeks our at large chances are shot.
Why is anyone on this board talking about at-large chances?? Turn your brains on. This season has been toast since the Maryland loss to anyone who's watched basketball in their lives.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:34:03 PMNever said the criticism isn't valid. I said you're all being dramatic/hyperbolic.
We're 0-4. Do you think we'll beat Purdue and Bucky? Or are you saying Oklahoma will not be a Big 12 bottom feeder?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 28, 2025, 03:04:32 PMI'm trying to be patient with this team, but c'mon with this coaching staff. That ball needs to be inbounded to Chase and he needs to control it the entire time, whether that results in him shooting or not.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Didn't work out well at the end versus Dayton.
At least we will get higher draft picks...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2025, 03:36:07 PMWe're 0-4. Do you think we'll beat Purdue and Bucky? Or are you saying Oklahoma will not be a Big 12 bottom feeder?
Why do I have to be saying either of those things? Read my posts.
But to answer your questions I think Oklahoma will be a middle of the pack SEC team. And I don't think they'll beat Purdue or Wisconsin.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2025, 03:05:28 PMBy definition that was a shot. I think
That was a shot in the sense Chase was probably thinking, "Can't have a repeat of Dayton, I have to throw it up in the direction of the rim at least."
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 03:35:54 PMWhy is anyone on this board talking about at-large chances?? Turn your brains on. This season has been toast since the Maryland loss to anyone who's watched basketball in their lives.
You're literally just agreeing with me. This team isn't making the tournament.
Do any of you actually read what you're responding to?
Quote from: nyg on November 28, 2025, 03:17:18 PMYes, the starting big men Hamilton and Gold scored 3 points. Gold 1 for 7, Hamilton 0 for 4. Gold had 7 rebounds but two were slaps backs. Gold beaten on defense by Davis in second half was not good. Tough to win games when your starters, especially NBA bound Ben play like that. Parham was very good today.
Shaka cut rotation. No Clark or Owens. When Jones returns, I presume Norman is the next with very minimal minutes. Phillips got three minutes ahead of the much more heralded recruit Owens. See how this continues as season goes with Owens. No way he will be happy in current situation.
MU 2 for 11 from three in second half, same theme in Shaka offense. Very bad loss. Oklahoma, like MU has not beaten anyone and is probably a bottom feeder in SEC. The Wisconsin and Purdue games might be unbearable, then BE play.
It is very hard to see where Gold has improved offensively during his time at MU. He has no inside game, which is a crime for a guy that size. He rushes his 3 pt shot and tries to shoot like Del Curry. That's been a big mistake and his 3pt % is the proof. Gold has improved on D and rebounds better but he's a liability on offense.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:39:00 PMYou're literally just agreeing with me. This team isn't making the tournament.
Do any of you actually read what you're responding to?
Of course I am. Even *referencing* the possibility of an at-large is comical. This team can't even get a decent shot off in 17 seconds and you're typing the words "at-large" as if it's in the realm of possibility?
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:34:03 PMNever said the criticism isn't valid. I said you're all being dramatic/hyperbolic.
We have losses to KenPom teams #60, #67 #92. Our best win is over KenPom #195.
I'm not sure it's possible to be too dramatic when describing what a disaster this team is right now.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on November 28, 2025, 03:41:22 PMIt is very hard to see where Gold has improved offensively during his time at MU. He has no inside game, which is a crime for a guy that size. He rushes his 3 pt shot and tries to shoot like Del Curry. That's been a big mistake and his 3pt % is the proof. Gold has improved on D and rebounds better but he's a liability on offense.
He has improved his rebounding and ability to put the ball on the floor and drive. He just doesn't do it enough
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 03:42:07 PMOf course I am. Even *referencing* the possibility of an at-large is comical. This team can't even get a decent shot off in 17 seconds and you're typing the words "at-large" as if it's in the realm of possibility?
Didn't realize saying that barring a miracle this team isn't making the tournament means I think it's in the realm of possibility
Quote from: BM1090 on November 28, 2025, 03:43:47 PMDidn't realize saying that barring a miracle this team isn't making the tournament means I think it's in the realm of possibility
Well now you know
Quote from: Pakuni on November 28, 2025, 03:42:17 PMWe have losses to KenPom teams #60, #67 #92. Our best win is over KenPom #195.
I'm not sure it's possible to be too dramatic when describing what a disaster this team is right now.
Well said. This is truly Defcon 1. I have to recalculate a lot of stuff moving forward. I honestly never thought we'd be in this position.
Tough one today, crowd was actually pretty good, and there was some good energy. Guys nearly won in spite of Shaka. The plays after TOs are brutal, we have now had the end of game situation twice and did the same thing. Shaka seemed very frustrated even yelling at Stevens. The mid second half collapses seem to indicate we don't either have the stamina or the horses to play the way we play for a full game. And, #13 dominated us, wow, he is a good player. I still think we improve as the season progresses, lots of good things today, but we have to finish. On to the next.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2025, 03:43:17 PMHe has improved his rebounding and ability to put the ball on the floor and drive. He just doesn't do it enough
That true to a point. He's improved more as a defensive rebounder and he can't score if he does drive. He has absolutely no post-up game. Shaka's staff has done a good job with development generally, but they've done a poor job with Gold's offense. It might be the result of the Nevada Smith offense, which really has not worked for a while.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on November 28, 2025, 03:50:51 PMTough one today, crowd was actually pretty good, and there was some good energy. Guys nearly won in spite of Shaka. The plays after TOs are brutal, we have now had the end of game situation twice and did the same thing. Shaka seemed very frustrated even yelling at Stevens. The mid second half collapses seem to indicate we don't either have the stamina or the horses to play the way we play for a full game. And, #13 dominated us, wow, he is a good player. I still think we improve as the season progresses, lots of good things today, but we have to finish. On to the next loss.
You forgot a word
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 03:48:03 PMWell said. This is truly Defcon 1. I have to recalculate a lot of stuff moving forward. I honestly never thought we'd be in this position.
it was totally obvious last year looking foward
Look who killed us today:
- Pack: transfer 6th year senior
- Reid: transfer sophomore
- Davis: transfer senior
- Nwanko: transfer senior
Quote from: willie warrior on November 28, 2025, 03:57:11 PMit was totally obvious last year looking foward
This is 2025. If you're not armed with game ready players in transfers, you better be bringing in the top 30 high school players to have a prayer at succeeding. Redshirts who aren't developing amd high school kids in the 75-120 range will fall way short. This isn't 2015 anymore. The landscape has radically changed, but Shaka and a few people here think we can still pull this rabbit out of our ass.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on November 28, 2025, 03:50:51 PMTough one today, crowd was actually pretty good, and there was some good energy. Guys nearly won in spite of Shaka. The plays after TOs are brutal, we have now had the end of game situation twice and did the same thing. Shaka seemed very frustrated even yelling at Stevens. The mid second half collapses seem to indicate we don't either have the stamina or the horses to play the way we play for a full game. And, #13 dominated us, wow, he is a good player. I still think we improve as the season progresses, lots of good things today, but we have to finish. On to the next.
Jump,
The way I see it, our bigs are a more significant prob defensively and securing the glass. When they switch, it's a total disaster. Sometimes Ben is okay in tbe paint but all three of our bigs are a sieve defensively. It's incredibly frustrating. Poor/slow reactions with help as well.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 03:48:03 PMWell said. This is truly Defcon 1. I have to recalculate a lot of stuff moving forward. I honestly never thought we'd be in this position.
It's been obvious since Jan 1st, 2025. We were Weekend at Bernie's the last 3 months of last season.
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:00:42 PMLook who killed us today:
- Pack: transfer 6th year senior
- Reid: transfer sophomore
- Davis: transfer senior
- Nwanko: transfer senior
The other losses wouldn't look much different.
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:00:42 PMLook who killed us today:
- Pack: transfer 6th year senior
- Reid: transfer sophomore
- Davis: transfer senior
- Nwanko: transfer senior
Yep. And we've got Ben Gold as one of our two seniors. Hopeless.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 28, 2025, 03:57:11 PMit was totally obvious last year looking foward
Perhaps. I thought guys would develop. Boy is this frustrating .
Quote from: MUEng92 on November 28, 2025, 03:03:43 PMSo the play was, Nigel dribble around, then Chase dribble around. Not a single screen or anything resembling a play
Agree with this..we really don't screen much at all in our offense. It's space it way out, try to break down the D off the dribble and either finish at the rim or kick out for a three.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 04:01:30 PMJump,
The way I see it, our bigs are a more significant prob defensively and securing the glass. When they switch, it's a total disaster. Sometimes Ben is okay in tbe paint but all three of our bigs are a sieve defensively. It's incredibly frustrating. Poor/slow reactions with help as well.
I hear you, Muggs. Perhaps the defensive philosophy is so poor at putting our bigs in a good position that they really don't have a chance. They are not good enough yet, so maybe switch the way we defend a little.
I think Shaka needs to embrace the G in RGV.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 28, 2025, 04:05:59 PMAgree with this..we really don't screen much at all in our offense. It's space it way out, try to break down the D off the dribble and either finish at the rim or kick out for a three.
Pretty simple offense with a guru on the bench. That 17 seconds was brutally frustrating.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 04:03:03 PMPerhaps. I thought guys would develop. Boy is this frustrating .
In Shaka's 5 seasons, he's had one (1) recruit who's truly developed: Chase Ross. What led you to believe he was capable of developing his own guys in a meaningful way? The fact Hamilton, Gold, Norman have all improved and still absolutely suck tells you all you need to know.
He either can't develop heralded recruits (Ellis, Owens, Amadou, Norman, Jones) that they transfer out or don't belong or his recruits are so bad (Gold, Hamilton, Clark, Itejere) that even modest improvement makes them largely unplayable or clear that they don't belong.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on November 28, 2025, 04:06:29 PMI hear you, Muggs. Perhaps the defensive philosophy is so poor at putting our bigs in a good position that they really don't have a chance. They are not good enough yet, so maybe switch the way we defend a little.
I think Shaka needs to embrace the G in RGV.
They're also bad in zone as evidenced by that wide open corner triple late. I have no idea Jump, why Shaka would put two bigs on the floor in a close game down tbe stretch. I think I probably go Chase, Nigel, Zaide, Stevens, Royce or Ben.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 04:13:33 PMThey're also bad in zone as evidenced by that wide open corner triple late. I have no idea Jump, why Shaka would put two bigs on the floor in a close game down tbe stretch. I think I probably go Chase, Nigel, Zaide, Stevens, Royce or Ben.
I thought Shaka was poor today, all around. I realize the zone we play leaves the corners open, but after we give up so many, I think we need to change. Shaka seems so stubborn, which surprises me a little. Growth sure doesn't happen on the back of stubbornness.
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:10:13 PMIn Shaka's 5 seasons, he's had one (1) recruit who's truly developed: Chase Ross. What led you to believe he was capable of developing his own guys in a meaningful way? The fact Hamilton, Gold, Norman have all improved and still absolutely suck tells you all you need to know.
He either can't develop heralded recruits (Ellis, Owens, Amadou, Norman, Jones) that they transfer out or don't belong or his recruits are so bad (Gold, Hamilton, Clark, Itejere) that even modest improvement makes them largely unplayable or clear that they don't belong.
I understand this is tremendously upsetting. Would you completely start over? I was just curious.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 04:15:47 PMI understand this is tremendously upsetting. Would you completely start over? I was just curious.
Muggsy, Shaka either needs to adapt to the landscape of college athletics in 2025 or get out of the way. I had a little hope yet too it was just early, but I'm done after today. We've failed every test and haven't even played a true road game yet.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 04:15:47 PMI understand this is tremendously upsetting. Would you completely start over? I was just curious.
I'd supplement. James is a keeper, you can win with Parham, Stevens looked good in the first half and has potential, probably off the bench next ueart. There's two definite starters for next year. Bring in a shooter and a 5 man for next year who can help develop Sheek.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 28, 2025, 04:22:18 PMI'd supplement. James is a keeper, you can win with Parham, Stevens looked good in the first half and has potential, probably off the bench next ueart. There's two definite starters for next year. Bring in a shooter and a 5 man for next year who can help develop Sheek.
I think it's now obvious we have to get some immediate ballers from the portal.
I can actually live without having a Hakeem like big. That said, MU has to be a team with multiple guys that can do damage off the bounce, and at least 1 lights out spot shooter. My wish has always been a 6'5 Rowsey that can defend like Ginobli.
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:10:13 PMIn Shaka's 5 seasons, he's had one (1) recruit who's truly developed: Chase Ross. What led you to believe he was capable of developing his own guys in a meaningful way? The fact Hamilton, Gold, Norman have all improved and still absolutely suck tells you all you need to know.
He either can't develop heralded recruits (Ellis, Owens, Amadou, Norman, Jones) that they transfer out or don't belong or his recruits are so bad (Gold, Hamilton, Clark, Itejere) that even modest improvement makes them largely unplayable or clear that they don't belong.
sure Ross has developed. But hell is freshman Ross the best player on this team right now? Maybe ..
Are we fighting with 2 hands tied behind our back
Bringing in kids to redshirt was fine years ago, today no. Bring in transfers that can play right away. Caedin, Clark now Sheek and Militic, I hope those 2 can play, those early recruits can not. Trimble at NC wanted to transfer here but Shaka was to stubborn.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 04:36:12 PMBringing in kids to redshirt was fine years ago, today no. Bring in transfers that can play right away. Caedin, Clark now Sheek and Militic, I hope those 2 can play, those early recruits can not. Trimble at NC wanted to transfer here but Shaka was to stubborn.
To be sure, Sheek and Ian are different level guys who have skills. Hamilton and Clark were and still are projects.
MU won, covered
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:00:42 PMLook who killed us today:
- Pack: transfer 6th year senior
- Reid: transfer sophomore
- Davis: transfer senior
- Nwanko: transfer senior
Frustrated with the loss but alternatively you could say a team with the following composition led by as many as 13, led for 31 minutes of a 40 minute game, but lost by 1 point:
Freshman PG
Junior G
Senior G
Senior F
Sophomore C
And a freshman (Stevens) and sophomore (Parham) who made good contributions.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 28, 2025, 05:15:09 PMFrustrated with the loss but alternatively you could say a team with the following composition led by as many as 13, led for 31 minutes of a 40 minute game, but lost by 1 point:
Freshman PG
Junior G
Senior G
Senior F
Sophomore C
And a freshman (Stevens) and sophomore (Parham) who made good contributions.
With all due respect, leading for 31 mins and losing by 1 is irrelevant. We also didn't have a FG from like the 13 min mark till the 6:30 mark.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 28, 2025, 05:15:09 PMFrustrated with the loss but alternatively you could say a team with the following composition led by as many as 13, led for 31 minutes of a 40 minute game, but lost by 1 point:
Freshman PG
Junior G
Senior G
Senior F
Sophomore C
And a freshman (Stevens) and sophomore (Parham) who made good contributions.
And I would say I don't care about moral victories against average HM teams. Maybe 5-10 years ago, but it's a new sport now and the losing product we're trotting out each game is unacceptable.
Cool, we actually led today for a bit as opposed to the Indiana crap kicking. Yet we blew that 13 point lead with an incredible scoring drought, scrapped to even be in the game late, and pissed down our legs with 17 seconds for the second time in a week. That's pathetic.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 05:18:13 PMWith all due respect, leading for 31 mins and losing by 1 is irrelevant. We also didn't have a FG from like the 13 min mark till the 6:30 mark.
Yes, those players he mentioned did not score a point for the last four minutes of first half. Then there was a five minute period in second half, when they were up that 13 points, where they did not score a field goal. Thats nine minutes or 25% (one quarter), with no field goals made.
Our team doesn't handle pressure particularly well and we're wildly inconsistent with practice jumpers. What I'm specifically referring to are the wide as the Pacific Ocean triples Zaide and Ben missed during the Oklahoma run. Those must be drilled at a very high percentage.
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:01:55 PMIt's been obvious since Jan 1st, 2025. We were Weekend at Bernie's the last 3 months of last season.
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Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 05:27:22 PMOur team doesn't handle pressure particularly well and we're wildly inconsistent with practice jumpers. What I'm specifically referring to are the wide as the Pacific Ocean triples Zaide and Ben missed during the Oklahoma run. Those must be drilled at a very high percentage.
Especially from a senior.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 05:27:22 PMOur team doesn't handle pressure particularly well and we're wildly inconsistent with practice jumpers. What I'm specifically referring to are the wide as the Pacific Ocean triples Zaide and Ben missed during the Oklahoma run. Those must be drilled at a very high percentage.
Yes our team is like clueless manatees
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 28, 2025, 07:23:11 PMYes our team is like clueless manatees
Manatees handle anxiety and stress quite well if the situation isn't life threatening. Again, this is a species that should never be mocked or ridiculed. They adapt and perform their daily routines calmly. They're basically sea Newfoundlands or St.Bernards, with a little extra weight.
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:00:42 PMLook who killed us today:
- Pack: transfer 6th year senior
- Reid: transfer sophomore
- Davis: transfer senior
- Nwanko: transfer senior
It ain't like we lost to one of Bo Ryan's Final Four teams, where all the starters were upperclassmen who'd been deeply entrenched in the program and culture for years. The guys you listed are just a random assortment of hired guns who came to Oklahoma to collect a paycheck.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 07:53:25 PMManatees handle anxiety and stress quite well if the situation isn't life threatening. Again, this is a species that should never be mocked or ridiculed. They adapt and perform their daily routines calmly. They're basically sea Newfoundlands or St.Bernards, with a little extra weight.
They're fat, slow & dumb, pigs of the seas
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 28, 2025, 08:03:44 PMThey're fat, slow & dumb, pigs of the seas
Pigs are quite intelligent for starters, and Manatees are significantly faster than they look. They're also naturally heavy as are Walruses.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 28, 2025, 08:08:03 PMPigs are quite intelligent for starters, and Manatees are significantly faster than they look. They're also naturally heavy as are Walruses.
Manatees are best fried, very delicious, taste like bacon.
Quote from: Big Papi on November 28, 2025, 03:32:40 PMIts been a long time since I've written off MU having a chance to make the Big Dance in November.
Dukiet era?
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 04:00:42 PMLook who killed us today:
- Pack: transfer 6th year senior
- Reid: transfer sophomore
- Davis: transfer senior
- Nwanko: transfer senior
Helen Keller agrees
Quote from: Viper on November 28, 2025, 08:12:41 PMDukiet era?
Deane's last season, maybe Wojo's first?
And even in those seasons we weren't celebrating moral victories like "we led most of the game."
Considering my limited expectations for this team, my only goal is to see some improvement. The freshman have an upside, and they've had some close losses. So, there's that. Keep getting Parham some minutes and maybe they'll be ok by February. Cutting minutes for Lowery, Gold and Hamilton would be in the best interests of 2026.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 28, 2025, 02:47:43 PMGotta hand it to the 24 years old in his 6th year of CBB.
If only NCAA rules wouldn't prohibit us from getting that type of player. But then you're winning dirty I suppose. SMH