We have a thread on "Shaka's Mess" but I'm curious to see what his response is in a number of areas.
While there have obviously been challenges at times during his first 4 seasons, I think most would agree that they're very happy with the results, aside from the earlier than expected exits as 2 seeds.
This is the first time at Marquette he's faced some real adversity in terms of his approach, the team's performance, the media, the fans, etc.
For example, I love watching his pressers and interviews. I didn't see the presser after the Dayton game but it sounds like he may have gotten a little snippy with Ben Steele, which is out of character for him.
Very curious to see what his response will be in terms of:
-Starting lineup: Will he replace Caedin? Does Nigel continue to start when Sean comes back?
-Rotation: He's already tightened that up a bit but will that continue? Can Owens eventually earn some minutes? Will Stevens play more? Can Phillips carve out a role if his defense improves?
-Defensive approach: Our man defense has obviously been horrendous. Will he play more zone? When in man, will he stop hedging with Ben so far away from the basket?
-Development: Will anything click with any of the guys we were all hoping to see much more from? Especially Owens & Parham. This will go a long way towards the expectations for next season.
-Interactions with the media: What sounds insightful when you're winning can take on a different tone when you're losing. Shaka is a smart dude - will we see that accountability, awareness, and introspection if things continue to go poorly.
Looks, this sucks. No one expected this and I think it's led to some overreactions but many of the concerns are valid based on what we've seen so far.
What are you looking for out of Shaka the rest of the way?
I'll just take it one game at a time. Things I'd like to see tomorrow:
1. Tight rotation with only 8 players getting more than 10 minutes. Our starters need as many possible minutes on the court together. I have no interest in seeing Clark, Phillips, etc get extended run at this point. I don't want hockey line changes with random lineups.
2. Minimal press. We could get 50 deflections against this garbage team tomorrow but it's a waste of time. Less Gold 40 feet from the basket even if it would work against this cupcake.
3. Hamilton loses his starting spot. Shaka needs to drop his weird mission of "trying to prove people wrong" with him (reference last press conference). It's throwing things out of whack. The closer he goes to 0 minutes, the better we'll be and things will look more normal.
Agree with just about all of CountryRoads, but I think Clark should be given a chance to show what he can do while Hamilton watches from the bench. I'm NOT talking starter-just a few minutes here and there. It's worth a try, and a cupcake game is the time to take the chance. To be clear, I do not have high hopes that Clark will shine, but stranger things have happened.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 21, 2025, 05:36:54 PMAgree with just about all of CountryRoads, but I think Clark should be given a chance to show what he can do while Hamilton watches from the bench. I'm NOT talking starter-just a few minutes here and there. It's worth a try, and a cupcake game is the time to take the chance. To be clear, I do not have high hopes that Clark will shine, but stranger things have happened.
I think we can agree Clark has a higher upside due to his size and more years of eligibility. I'm more than fine carrying him to see what he can be as a junior and senior.
The staff's talent evaluation and development worked so well with the recent core. Yes, some were Wojo recruits and transfers but Shaka had to identify or re-recruit and development all that talent.
That wasn't just luck but did the staff get a little high on their own supply after all of that success?
Have their been some blinders on with the current roster based on what happened previously?
I've said it in another thread and I'll say it again here - if I'm Royce parham and Caedin Hamilton keep starting over me, I'm high tailing it straight out of town at the end of the year. Boost up parham and let Clark acquaint himself with the pine.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 05:51:05 PMI've said it in another thread and I'll say it again here - if I'm Royce parham and Caedin Hamilton keep starting over me, I'm high tailing it straight out of town at the end of the year. Boost up parham and let Clark acquaint himself with the pine.
Parham is playing more MPG.
I think he should be starting, too, but he's getting minutes and has not been particularly good.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 06:09:18 PMParham is playing more MPG.
I think he should be starting, too, but he's getting minutes and has not been particularly good.
There just seems to be more upside with Parham. So I think Shaka should continue to give him more minutes.
Could Caedin be used for offensive sets down on the block? Play him 5-10 minutes a game and run some plays for him? I know that's not Shaka's style but he does look like he has a couple moves.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 06:09:18 PMParham is playing more MPG.
I think he should be starting, too, but he's getting minutes and has not been particularly good.
Parham has played at crunch time, too. The only time Caedin did was when Gold was hurt.
Hire onepost as GM would be the start. If he's unwilling to do that, let's find someone who will use all the resources at his disposal to do this job. MUBB is above missing the NCAA Tournament.
Light a fire under these guys and tell them to stop playing timid (yeah, easier said than done). Hand the keys to James to run the offense as a full time starter. He'll be the best player on the team next year if Shaka doesn't enter the portal. Jones can be a spark plug off the bench when he comes back.
Keep Gold around the basket more on both ends. We need work the ball into the paint more to break up the stagnant offense that is so reliant on Chase. Unfortunate reality is all of the big men don't look too capable in the low post right now. Would like to see more aggression from Lowery offensively.
For the short term...more Stevens, less Norman. I still want to know if one of Owens or Phillips can offer something, because MU will need to rely on depth.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 06:09:18 PMParham is playing more MPG.
I think he should be starting, too, but he's getting minutes and has not been particularly good.
"Not been particularly good" is a euphemism for abysmal. He has to get his act together, and that goes for Caedin as well if he's on the floor. We should be seeing a much higher level of intensity from both of them, especially defensively and on the glass. Parham is absolutely capable. He simply must wake up.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 04:57:30 PMWe have a thread on "Shaka's Mess" but I'm curious to see what his response is in a number of areas.
While there have obviously been challenges at times during his first 4 seasons, I think most would agree that they're very happy with the results, aside from the earlier than expected exits as 2 seeds.
This is the first time at Marquette he's faced some real adversity in terms of his approach, the team's performance, the media, the fans, etc.
For example, I love watching his pressers and interviews. I didn't see the presser after the Dayton game but it sounds like he may have gotten a little snippy with Ben Steele, which is out of character for him.
Very curious to see what his response will be in terms of:
-Starting lineup: Will he replace Caedin? Does Nigel continue to start when Sean comes back?
-Rotation: He's already tightened that up a bit but will that continue? Can Owens eventually earn some minutes? Will Stevens play more? Can Phillips carve out a role if his defense improves?
-Defensive approach: Our man defense has obviously been horrendous. Will he play more zone? When in man, will he stop hedging with Ben so far away from the basket?
-Development: Will anything click with any of the guys we were all hoping to see much more from? Especially Owens & Parham. This will go a long way towards the expectations for next season.
-Interactions with the media: What sounds insightful when you're winning can take on a different tone when you're losing. Shaka is a smart dude - will we see that accountability, awareness, and introspection if things continue to go poorly.
Looks, this sucks. No one expected this and I think it's led to some overreactions but many of the concerns are valid based on what we've seen so far.
What are you looking for out of Shaka the rest of the way?
No one expected this? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone who's not a giant homer man baby expected this.
" He'll be the best player on the team next year if Shaka doesn't enter the portal."
and as long as James does not enter the portal...
Quote from: Farley36 on November 21, 2025, 06:50:42 PMNo one expected this? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone who's not a giant homer man baby expected this.
Thank you for your insightful response, Fartley69.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 21, 2025, 06:55:40 PM" He'll be the best player on the team next year if Shaka doesn't enter the portal."
and as long as James does not enter the portal...
Would be surprised given the opportunity he has to play here.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 06:09:18 PMParham is playing more MPG.
I think he should be starting, too, but he's getting minutes and has not been particularly good.
Starting is entirely different mentality, in a positive way. Every undeserved superlative thrown at Hamilton is an insult to parham. Need to encourage parham and Clark, not Hamilton.
Quote from: Farley36 on November 21, 2025, 06:50:42 PMNo one expected this? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone who's not a giant homer man baby expected this.
Trust me - not many people expected this team to be poor. I gave my opinion last year and was almost crucified when I said Sean was going to struggle after two years off, Hamilton has no business on this roster, chase is going to struggle in a lead role and Ben wouldn't develop into anything more than what he already is.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 21, 2025, 06:55:40 PM" He'll be the best player on the team next year if Shaka doesn't enter the portal."
and as long as James does not enter the portal...
Shaka has never lost a rotation player to the portal. Why would his starting PG, who has been handed the keys to the offense, enter the portal?
Quote from: MU82 on November 21, 2025, 07:41:30 PMShaka has never lost a rotation player to the portal. Why would his starting PG, who has been handed the keys to the offense, enter the portal?
The v part of rgv
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 07:46:58 PMThe v part of rgv
I guess he'll transfer to the same school Sean did after last season.
Once Chase is gone, who is the team's star next year? It likely won't be a member of the senior class: Lowry, Norman, Sean.
Remeber when Shaka said Tre would lead the Big East in scoring? Clearly that's not happening. Zaide is a contributor at least. Sean is a spark off the bench.
Parham shows flashes. Owens seems lost.
Nigel looks to be our leader and can bring some NY swagger as well. Stevens will contribute.
We really need some portal guys next year.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 21, 2025, 05:36:54 PMAgree with just about all of CountryRoads, but I think Clark should be given a chance to show what he can do while Hamilton watches from the bench. I'm NOT talking starter-just a few minutes here and there. It's worth a try, and a cupcake game is the time to take the chance. To be clear, I do not have high hopes that Clark will shine, but stranger things have happened.
First time I've wished for a thumbs down :(
Tomorrow: Shaka will start with a tight rotation, but pressure will wear CM down, blowout, plenty of minutes for everyone.
Long term: Shaka is a systems guy. That won't change. In game coaching is minimal.
Quote from: MU82 on November 21, 2025, 07:48:47 PMI guess he'll transfer to the same school Sean did after last season.
Shaka convinced him to stay after he initially told him he was leaving. Gosh I wonder why he wouldn't want to stick around given the dynamic freshman coming in.
And yes - there is a chance that dynamic freshman leaves after a very poor season. Hopefully neither happens.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 08:38:52 PMShaka convinced him to stay after he initially told him he was leaving.
Keep spinning.
Caedin is not a candidate to be a starting BE 5. A few minutes here and there are plenty.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 08:45:11 PMKeep spinning.
No spin. shockingly - some information is only accessible outside of the comfort of your basement and computer screen.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on November 21, 2025, 08:04:05 PMRemeber when Shaka said Tre would lead the Big East in scoring? Clearly that's not happening.
Huh? No, I don't remember this.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 08:51:44 PMNo spin. shockingly - some information is only accessible outside of the comfort of your basement and computer screen.
Yes, the information you claimed was 100% correct turned out to be 100% incorrect.
Amazing accessibility you got there.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 08:56:03 PMYes, the information you claimed was 100% correct turned out to be 100% incorrect.
Amazing accessibility you got there.
People change their minds. Especially 19 and 20 year olds. I was right when I shared the news. I don't control his decision making.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:01:34 PMPeople change their minds. Especially 19 and 20 year olds. I was right when I shared the news. I don't control his decision making.
As I said, keep spinning.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 09:02:12 PMAs I said, keep spinning.
I was right - Sean changed his mind. Find a new slant buddy.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:04:07 PMI was right - Sean changed his mind. Find a new slant buddy.
You tried to impress Scoop with your knowledge and claiming you had sources.
You were wrong and ran away for a few months.
And now you're back claiming otherwise.
Sad.
He had already transferred to OSU.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 09:07:24 PMYou tried to impress Scoop with your knowledge and claiming you had sources.
You were wrong and ran away for a few months.
And now you're back claiming otherwise.
Sad.
Ran away for months aka summer and I have a life that doesn't require me checking in on you and the dork squad in July.
I play golf with one of the biggest NIL contributors to the fund. He shared info with me and I shared it here. Take it or leave it.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:04:07 PMI was right - Sean changed his mind. Find a new slant buddy.
I want it on the record that I was right on my prediction that Georgia Tech would beat Marquette a few years ago too. The teams just played differently than I thought they would.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 21, 2025, 09:10:52 PMI want it on the record that I was right on my prediction that Georgia Tech would beat Marquette a few years ago too. The teams just played differently than I thought they would.
Difference here is that you're an idiot
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 08:38:52 PMShaka convinced him to stay after he initially told him he was leaving. Gosh I wonder why he wouldn't want to stick around given the dynamic freshman coming in.
And yes - there is a chance that dynamic freshman leaves after a very poor season. Hopefully neither happens.
::)
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:04:07 PMI was right - Sean changed his mind. Find a new slant buddy.
Literally anyone can throw some bullsh*t out there and then use your excuse.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:09:51 PMRan away for months aka summer and I have a life that doesn't require me checking in on you and the dork squad in July.
I play golf with one of the biggest NIL contributors to the fund. He shared info with me and I shared it here. Take it or leave it.
I'll leave it.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:09:51 PMRan away for months aka summer and I have a life that doesn't require me checking in on you and the dork squad in July.
I play golf with one of the biggest NIL contributors to the fund. He shared info with me and I shared it here. Take it or leave it.
He played you like a fiddle and you ran away like a little boy. Sad.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 09:14:38 PM::)
We've all seen how Sean has played. Panda may be more correct than you think.
Then again, I also thought Sean would transfer after he didn't come back when he was able to last year after he realized he wouldn't get many minutes...
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 09:17:58 PMHe played you like a fiddle and you ran away like a little boy. Sad.
Fake news
Rocky, panda doesn't know what he's talking about. He has a track record of being a buffoon.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 09:20:37 PMRocky, panda doesn't know what he's talking about. He has a track record of being a buffoon.
I'm familiar with Panda. I banned Panda for a long time for unrelated reasons.
He also doesn't usually play the bravado part.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2025, 09:21:52 PMI'm familiar with Panda. He also doesn't usually play the bravado part.
I golf with Herm, and he told me they plant stories with panda and make fun of him at the bar.
It's pretty sad.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 09:24:03 PMI golf with Herm, and he told me they plant stories with panda and make fun of him at the bar.
It's pretty sad.
It's sad that you play AI golf
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2025, 09:18:32 PMWe've all seen how Sean has played. Panda may be more correct than you think.
Then again, I also thought Sean would transfer after he didn't come back when he was able to last year after he realized he wouldn't get many minutes...
If the theory is Sean felt he wasn't good enough to play at Marquette so he felt he needed to transfer, I'm not sure transferring to play in the B1G makes a whole lot of sense.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 21, 2025, 09:27:28 PMI'm not sure transferring to play in the B1G makes a whole lot of sense.
Maybe I missed a post or you have some info?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2025, 09:25:08 PMIt's sad that you play AI golf
Well that's the only way I'm any good at it.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2025, 09:31:42 PMMaybe I missed a post or you have some info?
Panda claimed Sean Jones had transferred to Ohio State.
While an at-large is unlikely, I'm not on board with the calls to give max minutes to the young players to better evaluate them. If this team has any hope of playing in the NCAA Tournament, they need to start producing results now. Tighten the rotation and treat every game like it's a tournament game because we are already playing for our tournament lives.
If the season goes as many suspect, there will be plenty of minutes to give to youngsters in conference play when all we have to play for is our Big East seed. As long as there's a chance at an at-large, no matter how slim, you have to play like all these games matter.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 21, 2025, 09:37:38 PMPanda claimed Sean Jones had transferred to Ohio State.
I missed that, I guess?
Watching college hoops this year, much like NBA teams, top tier programs don't really roll with
@MuggsyB anymore.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 21, 2025, 09:37:38 PMPanda claimed Sean Jones had transferred to Ohio State.
Show your work
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:11:53 PMDifference here is that you're an idiot
https://imgur.com/gallery/whoa-just-take-easy-man-drake-josh-1ms9b (https://imgur.com/gallery/whoa-just-take-easy-man-drake-josh-1ms9b)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 21, 2025, 10:11:30 PMhttps://imgur.com/gallery/whoa-just-take-easy-man-drake-josh-1ms9b (https://imgur.com/gallery/whoa-just-take-easy-man-drake-josh-1ms9b)
Just kidding buddy. Keep on keepin on
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 10:15:21 PMJust kidding buddy. Keep on keepin on
Haha right back at ya.
I look forward to the day that Marquette Basketball is so good that everyone has no choice but to be on the same page. Scoop included 😅
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2025, 09:42:59 PMI missed that, I guess?
Watching college hoops this year, much like NBA teams, top tier programs don't really roll with @MuggsyB anymore.
Muggsy was one of one. Don't forget he led the NBA in assists to turns 6 times. He probably would have had 15 thefts vs Dayton. Superior handles, quicks, vert, leadership, and the quickest player in the history of the game. He'd do just fine in any era.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2025, 11:06:20 PMMuggsy was one of one. Don't forget he led the NBA in assists to turns 6 times. He probably would have had 15 thefts vs Dayton. Superior handles, quicks, vert, leadership, and the quickest player in the history of the game. He'd do just fine in any era.
https://iwaspoisoned.com/tag/arbys
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 21, 2025, 11:06:20 PMMuggsy was one of one. Don't forget he led the NBA in assists to turns 6 times. He probably would have had 15 thefts vs Dayton. Superior handles, quicks, vert, leadership, and the quickest player in the history of the game. He'd do just fine in any era.
Heard he hunted manatees as a hobby.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 08:38:52 PMShaka convinced him to stay after he initially told him he was leaving. Gosh I wonder why he wouldn't want to stick around given the dynamic freshman coming in.
And yes - there is a chance that dynamic freshman leaves after a very poor season. Hopefully neither happens.
I'm not the least bit concerned about Nigel leaving after this season. But if I had been, you saying this would make me 100% confident that he'll be back. So thanks!
THE GAP HAS BECOME A CHASM AND IS SOON APPROACHING LIGHT YEARS IN DISTANCE
Captain/Admiral James T Kirk
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 11:27:53 PMHeard he hunted manatees as a hobby.
As usual...Muggsy referring to himself in the 3rd person. ::)
I like Caedin Hamilton. I'll go on record. He's not been good at all, but I think it's in there.
I also liked Kolek and Oso when they were "misses" according to this board.
In full candor, I like all our guys always at all times. So when they develop and flourish I get to say I liked them. When they don't, I still like them. Here's looking at you, Trend Blackledge!
This board has been so harsh. We aren't playing well. The team looks discombobulated. Shaka's approach might be questioned (I personally still love it). But these are our guys. This is our team. Can't we criticize without all the vitriol?
I suppose not. It's part of the nature of the entitled (and when on the Internet — anonymous) world we live in that expects instant gratification at all times and in the process forgets gratitude, loyalty, humility, and respect.
No one likes a soapbox preacher, so I'll get off now.
PS. I like Owens and Tre too.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 08:01:07 AMI like Caedin Hamilton. I'll go on record. He's not been good at all, but I think it's in there.
I also liked Kolek and Oso when they were "misses" according to this board.
In full candor, I like all our guys always at all times. So when they develop and flourish I get to say I liked them. When they don't, I still like them. Here's looking at you, Trend Blackledge!
This board has been so harsh. We aren't playing well. The team looks discombobulated. Shaka's approach might be questioned (I personally still love it). But these are our guys. This is our team. Can't we criticize without all the vitriol?
I suppose not. It's part of the nature of the entitled (and when on the Internet — anonymous) world we live in that expects instant gratification at all times and in the process forgets gratitude, loyalty, humility, and respect.
No one likes a soapbox preacher, so I'll get off now.
PS. I like Owens and Tre too.
Would you like mussolini's kid if he suited up for Marquette?
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 08:07:45 AMWould you like mussolini's kid if he suited up for Marquette?
Ohhhhh! I love logical fallacies, especially when likely not researched.
Which of Mussolini's kids are you referring to? The one that was murdered by the Italian Fascists? The one that become an accomplished film producer and critic? The one that was an experienced pilot? Or the one that was a well rounded artist?
Other questions: Were they recruited to Marquette by Marquette coaches? Why? Did they do anything wrong at Marquette? How did they represent Marquette?
Bud, I need more information! I can't answer this interesting question without better context...! Maybe your golf partner can shed some light on these things?
Quote from: willie warrior on November 22, 2025, 06:13:02 AMTHE GAP HAS BECOME A CHASM AND IS SOON APPROACHING LIGHT YEARS IN DISTANCE
Captain/Admiral James T Kirk
Willie - I'll be at the game again today. Let me know where you're sitting and I'll buy you a beer.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 08:17:31 AMOhhhhh! I love logical fallacies, especially when likely not researched.
Which of Mussolini's kids are you referring to? The one that was murdered by the Italian Fascists? The one that become an accomplished film producer and critic? The one that was an experienced pilot? Or the one that was a well rounded artist?
Other questions: Were they recruited to Marquette by Marquette coaches? Why? Did they do anything wrong at Marquette? How did they represent Marquette?
Bud, I need more information! I can't answer this interesting question without better context...! Maybe your golf partner can shed some light on these things?
As a matter of fact, athleticism runs in the Mussolini family. His great grandson plays soccer in the Italian second division. Many people are asking if basketball is as internationally relevant as it is today, would a more distant relative become a college basketball star?
People are saying yes and would ultimately put many red blooded Americans in a moral quandary on whether or not to support such a vicious man and his family even if the player has spectacular hops and a dangerous step back J.
Something tells me killa cam, relevant nickname here, would overlook the atrocities and see no qualms in rooting on little Benny Jr, as he affectionately references him, as he stars for the blue and gold.
Shameful I say, just shameful.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 08:01:07 AMI like Caedin Hamilton. I'll go on record. He's not been good at all, but I think it's in there.
I also liked Kolek and Oso when they were "misses" according to this board.
In full candor, I like all our guys always at all times. So when they develop and flourish I get to say I liked them. When they don't, I still like them. Here's looking at you, Trend Blackledge!
This board has been so harsh. We aren't playing well. The team looks discombobulated. Shaka's approach might be questioned (I personally still love it). But these are our guys. This is our team. Can't we criticize without all the vitriol?
I suppose not. It's part of the nature of the entitled (and when on the Internet — anonymous) world we live in that expects instant gratification at all times and in the process forgets gratitude, loyalty, humility, and respect.
No one likes a soapbox preacher, so I'll get off now.
PS. I like Owens and Tre too.
Great post. I also recall a good handful of Scoopers hating on Kolek Year 1. At one point Shaka found him crying in either a stall in the bathroom in the locker room, or locker room. These guys pour their heart and soul into being D-1 basketball players and some of the tone used to critique the struggling players has been pretty damn harsh.
I'll second your assessment that Hamilton has worked himself toward being a Big East caliber player. Everything is moving a little too fast for him right now, but he's shown enough with some of his post moves to illustrate he can be effective. He's not great at timing rebounds - but he is our one physical player and we need him to continue to improve. I also feel Tre Norman has improved and played his best game at MU against Dayton.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 09:33:21 AMI'll second your assessment that Hamilton has worked himself toward being a Big East caliber player. Everything is moving a little too fast for him right now, but he's shown enough with some of his post moves to illustrate he can be effective. He's not great at timing rebounds - but he is our one physical player and we need him to continue to improve. I also feel Tre Norman has improved and played his best game at MU against Dayton.
Omg - you've sad some crazy things in your day but this takes the cake. Let's put a pin in this one and address it yet again shortly.
Best response is getting Wins.
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 09:43:34 AMOmg - you've sad some crazy things in your day but this takes the cake. Let's put a pin in this one and address it yet again shortly.
Sounds good. You're clearly a front runner, and never have someone's back when they struggle.
Btw - How much do you donate to the MU Athletic department? I'm assuming a lot since you golf with one of the biggest donors, and have access to inside info like Sean Jones transferring to Ohio State this past off season.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2025, 11:27:53 PMHeard he hunted manatees as a hobby.
Muggsy could bench 375 lbs. He had a "44 inch vert. His tenacity and intelligence on the court were unparalleled. He made guys better and drove opposing guards insane because of his relentless pressure and ball hawking excellence. Only Magic and Gary Payton could post him up. Bob Wade stated he was the best player on the best hs team in history which had 4 pros and 10 D-1 players. In one game he executed a 360 degree alley oop pass, which resulted in an emphatic flush by Reggie Williams. The crowd erupted, the game literally had to be stopped for 10 mins, and the glee and awe from that move remained in the air for the rest of the game. We're talking about a living legend, an inspiration, and the personification of heart and toughness. You will see a 7 foot combination of Jordan, Jokic, Lebron, Curry, and Durant before we'll see another Muggsy. One of one. Stop disparaging him.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 09:52:13 AMSounds good. You're clearly a front runner, and never have someone's back when they struggle.
Btw - How much do you donate to the MU Athletic department? I'm assuming a lot since you golf with one of the biggest donors, and have access to inside info like Sean Jones transferring to Ohio State this past off season.
There's a difference between a guy like Owens struggling and Hamilton.
Owens belongs on the court but is going through a rough patch.
About 75% of the time, Hamilton looks like he's never been on a basketball court. He is the worst on ball defender I've ever seen. There were probably three times in the Dayton game he pressured at the 3 point line and his man took a quick step and went right past him. If he doesn't get beat, he fouls his man.
He travels almost every time he makes a post move. If he doesn't put it up, he almost always turns the ball over.
His court sense is right around a zero. He has no clue of where he is when he's out there and is a massive detriment to the team defense because of it.
He seems like a good kid and hard worker but neither of that translates to a positive contributor to the team in the capacity which is currently asked of him.
This is a high major program not a make a wish deal.
What are people hoping to see from a 🧁 game today? I think getting RP on track is paramount. I would also tinker with 4 guards and a big. Defensively I assume we'll pressure effectively but in the long run we have to defend monumentally better in the half-court.
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 10:01:23 AMThere's a difference between a guy like Owens struggling and Hamilton.
Owens belongs on the court but is going through a rough patch.
About 75% of the time, Hamilton looks like he's never been on a basketball court. He is the worst on ball defender I've ever seen. There were probably three times in the Dayton game he pressured at the 3 point line and his man took a quick step and went right past him. If he doesn't get beat, he fouls his man.
He travels almost every time he makes a post move. If he doesn't put it up, he almost always turns the ball over.
His court sense is right around a zero. He has no clue of where he is when he's out there and is a massive detriment to the team defense because of it.
He seems like a good kid and hard worker but neither of that translates to a positive contributor to the team in the capacity which is currently asked of him.
This is a high major program not a make a wish deal.
I figured DO would be a major contributor. It's seems like more than a rough patch if Shaka doesn't trust to play him.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 22, 2025, 07:56:12 AMAs usual...Muggsy referring to himself in the 3rd person. ::)
That wasn't 3rd person.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 09:33:21 AMGreat post. I also recall a good handful of Scoopers hating on Kolek Year 1. At one point Shaka found him crying in either a stall in the bathroom in the locker room, or locker room. These guys pour their heart and soul into being D-1 basketball players and some of the tone used to critique the struggling players has been pretty damn harsh.
Huh.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 09:52:13 AMBtw - How much do you donate to the MU Athletic department?
You keep asking this question. Do you believe one's ability to critique the program is directly correlated to the amount he or she donates to the athletic department?
Because in that case, you better be the guy who paid Wojo to leave.
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 10:01:23 AMThere's a difference between a guy like Owens struggling and Hamilton.
Owens belongs on the court but is going through a rough patch.
About 75% of the time, Hamilton looks like he's never been on a basketball court. He is the worst on ball defender I've ever seen. There were probably three times in the Dayton game he pressured at the 3 point line and his man took a quick step and went right past him. If he doesn't get beat, he fouls his man.
He travels almost every time he makes a post move. If he doesn't put it up, he almost always turns the ball over.
His court sense is right around a zero. He has no clue of where he is when he's out there and is a massive detriment to the team defense because of it.
He seems like a good kid and hard worker but neither of that translates to a positive contributor to the team in the capacity which is currently asked of him.
This is a high major program not a make a wish deal.
Got it. The kid was late to the game of basketball, and as I said - the game is moving a little too fast for him right now - but he has some things you can build on, and he's improving. Many Scoopers bitch about us never having a "banger" and Hamilton qualifies as that.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 10:15:51 AMGot it. The kid was late to the game of basketball, and as I said - the game is moving a little too fast for him right now - but he has some things you can build on, and he's improving. Many Scoopers bitch about us never having a "banger" and Hamilton qualifies as that.
None of those reasons qualify as "valid" to carry a guy on a high major roster.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 10:15:01 AMYou keep asking this question. Do you believe one's ability to critique the program is directly correlated to the amount he or she donates to the athletic department?
Because in that case, you better be the guy who paid Wojo to leave.
Yes I do. But no, I did not fund Wojo's buyout. However, it wouldn't have been nearly as large if our admin listened to me Year 1 of letting them know Wojo didn't have it. Instead, an overzealous Admin extended his contract in Year 2 after the amazing performance of knocking off crappy LSU and ASU teams in the Preseason NIT.
I take offense to those bitching about Shaka 6 games into Year 5 after all he's done to turn MU around from the 10 year NCAA tournament win drought prior to his arrival. And doing so while top players are getting paid $750K+/year..and coaching at a school that has a small alumni base as compared to the Power 4 schools.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 10:15:51 AMGot it. The kid was late to the game of basketball, and as I said - the game is moving a little too fast for him right now - but he has some things you can build on, and he's improving. Many Scoopers bitch about us never having a "banger" and Hamilton qualifies as that.
Hamilton isn't a banger.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 22, 2025, 09:59:55 AMMuggsy could bench 375 lbs. He had a "44 inch vert. His tenacity and intelligence on the court were unparalleled. He made guys better and drove opposing guards insane because of his relentless pressure and ball hawking excellence. Only Magic and Gary Payton could post him up. Bob Wade stated he was the best player on the best hs team in history which had 4 pros and 10 D-1 players. In one game he executed a 360 degree alley oop pass, which resulted in an emphatic flush by Reggie Williams. The crowd erupted, the game literally had to be stopped for 10 mins, and the glee and awe from that move remained in the air for the rest of the game. We're talking about a living legend, an inspiration, and the personification of heart and toughness. You will see a 7 foot combination of Jordan, Jokic, Lebron, Curry, and Durant before we'll see another Muggsy. One of one. Stop disparaging him.
winner! Full stop.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 10:15:51 AMGot it. The kid was late to the game of basketball, and as I said - the game is moving a little too fast for him right now - but he has some things you can build on, and he's improving. Many Scoopers bitch about us never having a "banger" and Hamilton qualifies as that.
What makes Caedin a banger? He doesn't really protect the paint or rim. Doesn't block shots. Isn't a particularly good rebounder. I get that he's thick, but not sure what that translates to on the court.
The game is moving too fast for him is a reasonable excuse for a true freshman, not so much a player who's been in the program for three years.
Nothing against the kid. He seems like a good kid and hard worker, but he hasn't developed as we hoped.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 10:23:54 AMYes I do. But no, I did not fund Wojo's buyout. However, it wouldn't have been nearly as large if our admin listened to me Year 1 of letting them know Wojo didn't have it. Instead, an overzealous Admin extended his contract in Year 2 after the amazing performance of knocking off crappy LSU and ASU teams in the Preseason NIT.
I take offense to those bitching about Shaka 6 games into Year 5 after all he's done to turn MU around from the 10 year NCAA tournament win drought prior to his arrival. And doing so while top players are getting paid $750K+/year..and coaching at a school that has a small alumni base as compared to the Power 4 schools.
we see a trend. You see it too. It's worrisome. Hence, we bitch. Btw, you make Marquette seem like a MAC school. Small alumni base? Maybe compared to most state schools. But MU has a solid base, justified basketball and dental school 😉 swagger , and plenty of ca$h.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 10:23:54 AMYes I do. But no, I did not fund Wojo's buyout. However, it wouldn't have been nearly as large if our admin listened to me Year 1 of letting them know Wojo didn't have it. Instead, an overzealous Admin extended his contract in Year 2 after the amazing performance of knocking off crappy LSU and ASU teams in the Preseason NIT.
I take offense to those bitching about Shaka 6 games into Year 5 after all he's done to turn MU around from the 10 year NCAA tournament win drought prior to his arrival. And doing so while top players are getting paid $750K+/year..and coaching at a school that has a small alumni base as compared to the Power 4 schools.
So you'd be OK with the same criticism from a major donor. Got it.
You're either being disingenuous or simply not reading. The critiques of Shaka here aren't about the past six games. They're about the past 20, and the next 20 and the next 20 after that. It's not about a few ugly games, it's about a few ugly trends.
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 10:01:23 AMThere's a difference between a guy like Owens struggling and Hamilton.
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He seems like a good kid and hard worker but neither of that translates to a positive contributor to the team in the capacity which is currently asked of him.
This is a high major program not a make a wish deal.
See, I have no problem with this criticism. I think it's a fair opinion with fair criticism. And, yes, this is high major basketball. He either cuts it or he doesn't; that'll determine his playing time.
The increase in scholarships allows coaches to keep guys around that might not otherwise be around (assuming those guys want to stick around), even if they can't cut it at the high major level. I like that. It allows coaches to be loyal to players in the same way we expect the players to be loyal to Marquette (woe be the player that leaves Marquette, for the barrage of negativity we sling at them).
Being loyal to the guys that maybe don't "cut it" makes receiving loyalty from those that excel much easier. We are loyal through and through.
But that's a different discussion, admittedly. People aren't saying Caedin should be run off (although they're getting quite close). They are questioning if he should be on the floor. Thats a fair question given what we have seen so far.
But do we have to discard him like yesterday's trash and write him off completely? I don't think so; yet that seems to be a common sentiment. As I said earlier, I like the kid's potential. It's not there yet. But he has shown some glimpses. Maybe he never comes around. Maybe he does. But I like the loyalty of sticking with him either way while he works through it. It sure paid off for us with Oso. You don't need to look far to see the people that questioned whether he (or Stevie Mitchell or countless others) was D-1 material early on.
Hopefully I'm right. But if I'm wrong, I hope Caedin continues to be a part of Marquette in whatever level his skill allows as long as he continues to be a hard worker, program stable, and great representative.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 10:51:47 AMSee, I have no problem with this criticism. I think it's a fair opinion with fair criticism. And, yes, this is high major basketball. He either cuts it or he doesn't; that'll determine his playing time.
The increase in scholarships allows coaches to keep guys around that might not otherwise be around (assuming those guys want to stick around), even if they can't cut it at the high major level. I like that. It allows coaches to be loyal to players in the same way we expect the players to be loyal to Marquette (woe be the player that leaves Marquette, for the barrage of negativity we sling at them).
Being loyal to the guys that maybe don't "cut it" makes receiving loyalty from those that excel much easier. We are loyal through and through.
But that's a different discussion, admittedly. People aren't saying Caedin should be run off (although they're getting quite close). They are questioning if he should be on the floor. Thats a fair question given what we have seen so far.
But do we have to discard him like yesterday's trash and write him off completely? I don't think so; yet that seems to be a common sentiment. As I said earlier, I like the kid's potential. It's not there yet. But he has shown some glimpses. Maybe he never comes around. Maybe he does. But I like the loyalty of sticking with him either way while he works through it. It sure paid off for us with Oso. You don't need to look far to see the people that questioned whether he (or Stevie Mitchell or countless others) was D-1 material early on.
Hopefully I'm right. But if I'm wrong, I hope Caedin continues to be a part of Marquette in whatever level his skill allows as long as he continues to be a hard worker, program stable, and great representative.
I have minimal issue carrying a project with the 15th spot on the roster.
Caedin is not that. He is starting on a high major roster. A position he has no business being in.
Once again, the rationale from those in support of him are completely irrational.
Quote from: Viper on November 22, 2025, 10:41:36 AMwe see a trend. You see it too. It's worrisome. Hence, we bitch. Btw, you make Marquette seem like a MAC school. Small alumni base? Maybe compared to most state schools. But MU has a solid base, justified basketball and dental school 😉 swagger , and plenty of ca$h.
Size of the alumni base isn't irrelevant, but the alumni base's interest/investment is far more important. MU ranked 9th in the nation in attendance last year. That's a far more important stat thanhow many kids graduated last year. UCF graduates about 15,000 undergrads a year, to MU's 1,500. But I bet MU graduates more kids every year who care a lot about their alma mater's basketball team.
Man, if only we had this level of immediacy with Wojo lol.
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 10:57:04 AMI have minimal issue carrying a project with the 15th spot on the roster.
Caedin is not that. He is starting on a high major roster. A position he has no business being in.
Once again, the rationale from those in support of him are completely irrational.
Question: Is there anyone on this board suggesting Caedin is performing to an appropriate level for a Big East player and is a competent Big East starter at this time, or is that just hyperbole on your part?
If so, who, where, and when did they "support" him in that way?
Just curious. Seems like another logical fallacy (ie Straw Man). Maybe "reason" and "rationale" aren't words you should throw around so lightly.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 11:08:10 AMMan, if only we had this level of immediacy with Wojo lol.
Man, nobody is saying Shaka should be fired or his job is in danger. Some are just noting the troubling trends and suggesting Shaka may want to tweak some of his choices that brought us here.
And if you don't think Wojo faced criticism early and often around here, you weren't paying attention.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 11:16:03 AMQuestion: Is there anyone on this board suggesting Caedin is performing to an appropriate level for a Big East player and is a competent Big East starter at this time, or is that just hyperbole on your part?
If so, who, where, and when did they "support" him in that way?
Just curious. Seems like another logical fallacy (ie Straw Man). Maybe "reason" and "rationale" aren't words you should throw around so lightly.
The issue isn't with posters here Copernicus.
It's with the head coach who's playing a guy way over his skis.
Is that clear enough for you?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 22, 2025, 10:23:54 AMYes I do. But no, I did not fund Wojo's buyout. However, it wouldn't have been nearly as large if our admin listened to me Year 1 of letting them know Wojo didn't have it. Instead, an overzealous Admin extended his contract in Year 2 after the amazing performance of knocking off crappy LSU and ASU teams in the Preseason NIT.
I take offense to those bitching about Shaka 6 games into Year 5 after all he's done to turn MU around from the 10 year NCAA tournament win drought prior to his arrival. And doing so while top players are getting paid $750K+/year..and coaching at a school that has a small alumni base as compared to the Power 4 schools.
The problem is once you make a decision on someone, you have to scream it at everyone as if it's the only possible correct conclusion. You moaned about Wojo because you decided after five minutes he was the devil and got banned repeatedly because you attacked everyone with your POV for years even as results were generally on an upward trendline, and still attack people who didn't turn on Wojo until after year 5.
Now you have sainted Shaka and are unwilling to listen to valid, good faith criticisms of him. This start equals the worst start under Wojo in 2014-15 and is the worst at Marquette in 35 years. We've lost as many home non-con games in 2 weeks as Shaka had lost in 4 years. This roster is clearly not as talented as the last 4. We are building this roster in a way no other high major is, and when you are one of one and it's not working, it will incur more criticism.
I don't think any of these statements are particularly controversial, yet you act like an attack dog every time someone alludes to these realities because you decided Shaka is the be all, end all and can't bear criticism.
The reality is Wojo wasn't the devil, he was an inexperienced coach who was unable to meet program expectations. Shaka isn't a saint, he's an experienced coach who has done very well in his start here but there are some valid reasons for concern about how his model will work in a changing NCAA landscape. And people will have different viewpoints on both coaches, and that's okay.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 11:28:46 AMMan, nobody is saying Shaka should be fired or his job is in danger. Some are just noting the troubling trends and suggesting Shaka may want to tweak some of his choices that brought us here.
And if you don't think Wojo faced criticism early and often around here, you weren't paying attention.
I personally don't want to see Shaka fired anytime soon, but the thought does raise an interesting question IMO.
While's it been mentioned on here that Marquette has never kept a coach after two consecutive losing seasons, I can see a scenario where going sub-.500 this year and next puts him squarely on the hot seat, with his previous successes affording him one last chance and season to turn things around (so long as we haven't been finishing at the bottom of the Big East).
So hypothetically, if this were to happen and Shaka was on his last strike, do we think that he'd finally give in to the pressure and utilize the portal? Or would he double down one last time in the same way he's continuously done so far?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 11:28:46 AMMan, nobody is saying Shaka should be fired or his job is in danger. Some are just noting the troubling trends and suggesting Shaka may want to tweak some of his choices that brought us here.
And if you don't think Wojo faced criticism early and often around here, you weren't paying attention.
I distinctly remember multiple people on here, melting down on a single off year, telling us that making the tournament every year was highly unrealistic. Some went further on and stated that even missing multiple years in a row was normal for Marquette.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 12:59:19 PMI distinctly remember multiple people on here, melting down on a single off year, telling us that making the tournament every year was highly unrealistic. Some went further on and stated that even missing multiple years in a row was normal for Marquette.
Yes, I'm sure "multiple people" and "some" speak for all of Scoop. 🙄🙄
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 22, 2025, 12:02:08 PMThe problem is once you make a decision on someone, you have to scream it at everyone as if it's the only possible correct conclusion. You moaned about Wojo because you decided after five minutes he was the devil and got banned repeatedly because you attacked everyone with your POV for years even as results were generally on an upward trendline, and still attack people who didn't turn on Wojo until after year 5.
Now you have sainted Shaka and are unwilling to listen to valid, good faith criticisms of him. This start equals the worst start under Wojo in 2014-15 and is the worst at Marquette in 35 years. We've lost as many home non-con games in 2 weeks as Shaka had lost in 4 years. This roster is clearly not as talented as the last 4. We are building this roster in a way no other high major is, and when you are one of one and it's not working, it will incur more criticism.
I don't think any of these statements are particularly controversial, yet you act like an attack dog every time someone alludes to these realities because you decided Shaka is the be all, end all and can't bear criticism.
The reality is Wojo wasn't the devil, he was an inexperienced coach who was unable to meet program expectations. Shaka isn't a saint, he's an experienced coach who has done very well in his start here but there are some valid reasons for concern about how his model will work in a changing NCAA landscape. And people will have different viewpoints on both coaches, and that's okay.
This reasonable post might be lost on Ners, who just said one must donate big money to the Marquette athletic department to earn the right to critique the basketball program.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 12:59:19 PMI distinctly remember multiple people on here, melting down on a single off year, telling us that making the tournament every year was highly unrealistic.
So ... exactly like now?
QuoteSome went further on and stated that even missing multiple years in a row was normal for Marquette.
I'd love to see those posts. I mean, it only happened to Wojo in his first and second years and he was given lots of grace given the situation he was left with in the pre-portal era.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 22, 2025, 01:01:48 PMYes, I'm sure "multiple people" and "some" speak for all of Scoop. 🙄🙄
Quote from: The Sultan on November 22, 2025, 01:01:48 PMYes, I'm sure "multiple people" and "some" speak for all of Scoop. 🙄🙄
I thought reading comprehension was bad in today's youth, not those close to medicaid.
Where did I ever say "all of scoop"?
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 01:21:47 PMI thought reading comprehension was bad in today's youth, not those close to medicaid.
Where did I ever say "all of scoop"?
Here:
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 11:08:10 AMMan, if only we had this level of immediacy with Wojo lol.
You are really this easiest guy to own on this board.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 01:06:46 PMSo ... exactly like now?
Being this upset over a 3-3 start after having 3.5 years of tons of success is wild. Being upset that we had a coach witrh room temperature iq for that long is understandable.
At the end of the day the college basketball landscape has completely changed. Shaka attempted a novel idea with it, and it hasn't panned out.
If we have 2 to 3 years of this current garbage and Shaka changes nothing (much like wojo wouldn't change) than we can see the pitchforks.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 22, 2025, 01:25:31 PMHere:
You are really this easiest guy to own on this board.
Could you break down on why you think that statement means "all of scoop"? Please help me.
Edit: looking back now, I think you are fundamentally confused on both of my posts. I suggest you reread the text.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 01:28:17 PMCould you break down on why you think that statement means "all of scoop"? Please help me.
Oh so when you said "we," you didn't actually mean "we."
Man you gotta be better than that to try to get me on my reading comprehension. It doesn't end well for you.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 22, 2025, 01:33:40 PMOh so when you said "we," you didn't actually mean "we."
Man you gotta be better than that to try to get me on my reading comprehension. It doesn't end well for you.
I guess ill break this down for you since you seem to be at the trump level of incompetent.
"Man, if only we had this level of immediacy with Wojo lol."
The we in this sentence is the overall scoop community. As in "of our community" there's a lot of melting down very early.
Put another way it could read as such: "dang, if only there was this much criticizing of wojo early on"
Clearly neither of these statements mean "all of scoop is crazy about this"
Further more when you first decided to be this annoying you were referring to when I was talking about wojo in your "omg you said some and earlier you said all"
These statements are about different topics that are 7 years apart. ::)
Go take your meds man.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 01:26:27 PMBeing this upset over a 3-3 start after having 3.5 years of tons of success is wild. Being upset that we had a coach witrh room temperature iq for that long is understandable.
So, you're also either being disingenuous or not reading.
It's not about six games. It's about the downward trend that started in January and continued into this season, and whether the roster and strategy going forward is the best way to reverse the trend.
Hope that clarifies things.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 01:46:52 PMSo, you're also either being disingenuous or not reading.
It's not about six games. It's about the downward trend that started in January and continued into this season, and whether the roster and strategy going forward is the best way to reverse the trend.
Hope that clarifies things.
To be fair I've been far more concerned over sultans reading ability at this moment.
But we knew coming into this season the team we were getting. The RGV thing doesn't work when one of our seniors is scared to have the ball in his hands.
Sure in hindsight we absolutely should have gone to the portal, but in the off season we were pretty hyped about the no transfers out.
- and sultan, no the "we" here doesn't literally mean everyone on scoop.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 01:44:33 PMI guess ill break this down for you since you seem to be at the trump level of incompetent.
"Man, if only we had this level of immediacy with Wojo lol."
The we in this sentence is the overall scoop community. As in "of our community" there's a lot of melting down very early.
Put another way it could read as such: "dang, if only there was this much criticizing of wojo early on"
Clearly neither of these statements mean "all of scoop is crazy about this"
Further more when you first decided to be this annoying you were referring to when I was talking about wojo in your "omg you said some and earlier you said all"
These statements are about different topics that are 7 years apart. ::)
Go take your meds man.
That's a lot of words when "damn Sultan you got me," would have worked just as well.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 01:46:52 PMSo, you're also either being disingenuous or not reading.
It's not about six games. It's about the downward trend that started in January and continued into this season, and whether the roster and strategy going forward is the best way to reverse the trend.
Hope that clarifies things.
The guy doesn't know what "we" means. He's not the brightest.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 01:46:52 PMSo, you're also either being disingenuous or not reading.
It's not about six games. It's about the downward trend that started in January and continued into this season, and whether the roster and strategy going forward is the best way to reverse the trend.
Hope that clarifies things.
Yes, last year was worse than the year before. This year is worse than last year - no bueno.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 11:00:57 AMSize of the alumni base isn't irrelevant, but the alumni base's interest/investment is far more important. MU ranked 9th in the nation in attendance last year. That's a far more important stat thanhow many kids graduated last year. UCF graduates about 15,000 undergrads a year, to MU's 1,500. But I bet MU graduates more kids every year who care a lot about their alma mater's basketball team.
agreed
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 01:44:33 PMI guess ill break this down for you since you seem to be at the trump level of incompetent.
"Man, if only we had this level of immediacy with Wojo lol."
The we in this sentence is the overall scoop community. As in "of our community" there's a lot of melting down very early.
Put another way it could read as such: "dang, if only there was this much criticizing of wojo early on"
Clearly neither of these statements mean "all of scoop is crazy about this"
Further more when you first decided to be this annoying you were referring to when I was talking about wojo in your "omg you said some and earlier you said all"
These statements are about different topics that are 7 years apart. ::)
Go take your meds man.
hmm...gardening leave, maybe?
Quote from: The Sultan on November 22, 2025, 02:03:30 PMThe guy doesn't know what "we" means. He's not the brightest.
Are you really telling us that you've never used the term we while speaking about a team, community, or group of people? Okay bud.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 01:53:10 PMTo be fair I've been far more concerned over sultans reading ability at this moment.
But we knew coming into this season the team we were getting. The RGV thing doesn't work when one of our seniors is scared to have the ball in his hands.
Sure in hindsight we absolutely should have gone to the portal, but in the off season we were pretty hyped about the no transfers out.
- and sultan, no the "we" here doesn't literally mean everyone on scoop.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 22, 2025, 01:53:10 PMTo be fair I've been far more concerned over sultans reading ability at this moment.
But we knew coming into this season the team we were getting. The RGV thing doesn't work when one of our seniors is scared to have the ball in his hands.
Sure in hindsight we absolutely should have gone to the portal, but in the off season we were pretty hyped about the no transfers out.
- and sultan, no the "we" here doesn't literally mean everyone on scoop.
I don't think Chase Ross is the problem with this team and I think the way the Seniors have played is pretty much more or less what people expected this season. The rest of the roster is the problem. And there were plenty of us that wanted Shaka to use the portal this offseason and have actually wanted him to use it every season.
Quote from: LAZER on November 22, 2025, 03:11:38 PMI don't think Chase Ross is the problem with this team and I think the way the Seniors have played is pretty much more or less what people expected this season. The rest of the roster is the problem. And there were plenty of us that wanted Shaka to use the portal this offseason and have actually wanted him to use it every season.
Well Ross isn't the problem, but he needed to be the leader and he hasn't so far. No leadership on this team and no talking on defense like previous years you could see people pointing, talking and even pushing underclassmen into position on D. Team is too complacent no sense of urgency.
Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 09:44:39 PMShow your work
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@wades
Quote from: LAZER on November 22, 2025, 03:11:38 PMI don't think Chase Ross is the problem with this team and I think the way the Seniors have played is pretty much more or less what people expected this season. The rest of the roster is the problem. And there were plenty of us that wanted Shaka to use the portal this offseason and have actually wanted him to use it every season.
Oh that was not directed at chase
Quote from: Farley36 on November 21, 2025, 06:50:42 PMNo one expected this? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone who's not a giant homer man baby expected this.
Agreed. It is obvious to those who are realistic the team will struggle. If things go well expect progress with the freshman. With most of the upper classmen what you are seeing will likely change little.
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 09:15:43 AMAs a matter of fact, athleticism runs in the Mussolini family. His great grandson plays soccer in the Italian second division. Many people are asking if basketball is as internationally relevant as it is today, would a more distant relative become a college basketball star?
People are saying yes and would ultimately put many red blooded Americans in a moral quandary on whether or not to support such a vicious man and his family even if the player has spectacular hops and a dangerous step back J.
Something tells me killa cam, relevant nickname here, would overlook the atrocities and see no qualms in rooting on little Benny Jr, as he affectionately references him, as he stars for the blue and gold.
Shameful I say, just shameful.
He'd probably transfer to The Ohio State University, though.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2025, 08:14:56 PMHe'd probably transfer to The Ohio State University, though.
Show your work bozo.
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@wades
You're claiming you didn't say Sean had transferred to Ohio State this offseason? Not sure which one of your usernames it came from and don't really feel like scrolling through posts of multiple usernames to find something you said.
Sean left it would be no game changer, look at Nick Boyd at Wisky, that's the type of player they need next year. A bucket getter. Sean just to small.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 22, 2025, 09:09:29 PMSean left it would be no game changer, look at Nick Boyd at Wisky, that's the type of player they need next year. A bucket getter. Sean just to small.
Nigel is the same size and probably going to be starting here for 4 years barring change of staff.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 22, 2025, 09:09:29 PMSean left it would be no game changer, look at Nick Boyd at Wisky, that's the type of player they need next year. A bucket getter. Sean just to small.
They would've lost by 50 instead of 30 yesterday without him.
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 08:07:45 AMWould you like mussolini's kid if he suited up for Marquette?
You and I both know he'd suit up for a pitino
Quote from: panda on November 22, 2025, 11:29:58 AMThe issue isn't with posters here Copernicus.
It's with the head coach who's playing a guy way over his skis.
Is that clear enough for you?
Not very clear at all, I must confess. Since you used the word "those" in the phrase "those in support of him," and since we were talking about the board, I figured you meant the posters. Seems odd to refer to Shaka as "those," or to claim Shaka as "in support of him."
So, unfortunately, it is not clear at all. Clear as mud, really.
The most logical explanation would be that you did mean the posters here are the problem for being "in support of him," but having been caught with your logical reasoning pants down, you've opted to move the goal posts.
But what do I know? Copernicus wasn't exactly known for logical reasoning. More of a math and astronomy sort of fella, but I'm sure you knew that, Aristotle.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 22, 2025, 09:09:29 PMNick Boyd at Wisky, that's the type of player they need next year. A bucket getter. Sean just to small.
Yeah, where would the Weasels have been without Boyd on Friday? They wouldn't have dominated BYU without him! I'm sure he'll help Gard get to the Final Four for, what, the 5th time?
Quote from: MU82 on November 22, 2025, 11:41:41 PMYeah, where would the Weasels have been without Boyd on Friday? They wouldn't have dominated BYU without him! I'm sure he'll help Gard get to the Final Four for, what, the 5th time?
He is better than James or Jones, he actually can shoot the ball. Guess you do not like that. Not to many teams are going to beat BYU how they use The NLI.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 22, 2025, 11:55:52 PMHe is better than James or Jones, he actually can shoot the ball. Guess you do not like that. Not to many teams are going to beat BYU how they use The NLI.
We get it - you like the Weasels. It's OK, but you're on the wrong fan board.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 10:07:01 PMNot very clear at all, I must confess. Since you used the word "those" in the phrase "those in support of him," and since we were talking about the board, I figured you meant the posters. Seems odd to refer to Shaka as "those," or to claim Shaka as "in support of him."
So, unfortunately, it is not clear at all. Clear as mud, really.
The most logical explanation would be that you did mean the posters here are the problem for being "in support of him," but having been caught with your logical reasoning pants down, you've opted to move the goal posts.
But what do I know? Copernicus wasn't exactly known for logical reasoning. More of a math and astronomy sort of fella, but I'm sure you knew that, Aristotle.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 10:07:01 PMNot very clear at all, I must confess. Since you used the word "those" in the phrase "those in support of him," and since we were talking about the board, I figured you meant the posters. Seems odd to refer to Shaka as "those," or to claim Shaka as "in support of him."
So, unfortunately, it is not clear at all. Clear as mud, really.
The most logical explanation would be that you did mean the posters here are the problem for being "in support of him," but having been caught with your logical reasoning pants down, you've opted to move the goal posts.
But what do I know? Copernicus wasn't exactly known for logical reasoning. More of a math and astronomy sort of fella, but I'm sure you knew that, Aristotle.
Now that...was a massive take down. Well done Einstein.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 22, 2025, 11:55:52 PMHe is better than James or Jones, he actually can shoot the ball. Guess you do not like that. Not to many teams are going to beat BYU how they use The NLI.
National Letter of Intent is a powerful tool
Quote from: willie warrior on November 23, 2025, 05:37:17 AMNow that...was a massive take down. Well done Einstein.
Says the guy who can't use the quote function correctly.
Quote from: MUCam on November 22, 2025, 10:07:01 PMNot very clear at all, I must confess. Since you used the word "those" in the phrase "those in support of him," and since we were talking about the board, I figured you meant the posters. Seems odd to refer to Shaka as "those," or to claim Shaka as "in support of him."
So, unfortunately, it is not clear at all. Clear as mud, really.
The most logical explanation would be that you did mean the posters here are the problem for being "in support of him," but having been caught with your logical reasoning pants down, you've opted to move the goal posts.
But what do I know? Copernicus wasn't exactly known for logical reasoning. More of a math and astronomy sort of fella, but I'm sure you knew that, Aristotle.
Whattttt in the world is this incoherent rambling?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 22, 2025, 08:35:07 PMYou're claiming you didn't say Sean had transferred to Ohio State this offseason? Not sure which one of your usernames it came from and don't really feel like scrolling through posts of multiple usernames to find something you said.
I most definitively never said he'd transfer to Ohio state. "I don't feel like looking back" means you made it up and can't confirm it.
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 07:04:21 AMI most definitively never said he'd transfer to Ohio state. "I don't feel like looking back" means you made it up and can't confirm it.
It means I have no idea which of your numerous usernames was the one that wasn't banned at the time.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2025, 06:07:34 AMNational Letter of Intent is a powerful tool
especially now that it no longer exists. :D
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2025, 10:33:53 AMespecially now that it no longer exists. :D
Leave it up to BYU to cheat the system and gap everyone
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 09:21:10 AMIt means I have no idea which of your numerous usernames was the one that wasn't banned at the time.
Panda and panda2.0. Go for it.
My prediction on your response - I'm not going back and searching through your posts, I'm way better than that (you're not). I know what I said is correct (it's not) and I don't need to do any leg work to prove it (because you can't).
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 10:50:50 AMPanda and panda2.0. Go for it.
My prediction on your response - I'm not going back and searching through your posts, I'm way better than that (you're not). I know what I said is correct (it's not) and I don't need to do any leg work to prove it (because you can't).
You're right I'm not going to go through previous posts. Apologies if it wasn't you that predicted The Ohio State University.
Now we'll see if you'll admit you were full of shyte when you said Sean Jones was in the transfer portal or. If you'll keep using the crutch of "my source is as legit as they come. They were right, things change."
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 11:30:18 AMYou're right I'm not going to go through previous posts. Apologies if it wasn't you that predicted The Ohio State University.
Now we'll see if you'll admit you were full of shyte when you said Sean Jones was in the transfer portal or. If you'll keep using the crutch of "my source is as legit as they come. They were right, things change."
Weird way of saying I made it up...
And no why would I say I lied when I didn't. I 20 year old kid changed his mind. Is that possible?
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 11:56:03 AMWeird way of saying I made it up...
And no why would I say I lied when I didn't. I 20 year old kid changed his mind. Is that possible?
He was never in the portal. Your source sucks or you lied. One or the other.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 12:18:42 PMHe was never in the portal. Your source sucks or you lied. One or the other.
Prove it
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 12:20:44 PMProve what?
[/quotQuote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 12:20:44 PMProve what?
Prove he was never in the portal.
You're speaking in so many definitives when you and I both know you have no clue.
Look man - I know what was told to me didn't transpire and I owned it when it never happened.
You look like a clown now speaking in definitives about a couple things when you just can't say one way or the other if it was ever true. It's very unbecoming.
If he was in the portal, it would have been widely reported. My guess is that he discussed it with Shaka and the guy panda was caddying for just misunderstood.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 23, 2025, 12:29:22 PMIf he was in the portal, it would have been widely reported. My guess is that he discussed it with Shaka and the guy panda was caddying for just misunderstood.
Semantics. He said he was leaving which was known in the program. Never announced because he wasn't officially in the program.
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 12:28:35 PMProve he was never in the portal.
You're speaking in so many definitives when you and I both know you have no clue.
Look man - I know what was told to me didn't transpire and I owned it when it never happened.
You look like a clown now speaking in definitives about a couple things when you just can't say one way or the other if it was ever true. It's very unbecoming.
So your claim is he was in the portal but not one single person picked it up? With how much publicity there has been given to MU/Shaka and having nobody transferring out? Ben Steele just missed this?
Yeah. I believe you. And it seems like all of Scoop does too. My apologies for ever doubting you! You're the man. Please set up a golf trip with your huge booster soon. Need some real inside MUBB news.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2025, 10:40:17 AMLeave it up to BYU to cheat the system and gap everyone
Mormons!:p
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 12:31:58 PMSo your claim is he was in the portal but not one single person picked it up? With how much publicity there has been given to MU/Shaka and having nobody transferring out? Ben Steele just missed this?
Yeah. I believe you. And it seems like all of Scoop does too. My apologies for ever doubting you! You're the man. Please set up a golf trip with your huge booster soon. Need some real inside MUBB news.
Said he was leaving. He didn't leave after Shaka had a long converstion with him. End of story.
We could also discuss how he delayed his return two months because he jumped up after a big moment playjng nba 2k a couple weeks after his surgery and aggravated his injury but that was never reported on blue sky so there's no possible way it could've happened.
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 12:30:57 PMSemantics. He said he was leaving which was known in the program. Never announced because he wasn't officially in the program.
Ah. "Semantics."
You two have arrived at
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Maybe one of you can just
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Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 12:37:47 PMSaid he was leaving. He didn't leave after Shaka had a long converstion with him. End of story.
We could also discuss how he delayed his return two months because he jumped up after a big moment playjng nba 2k a couple weeks after his surgery and aggravated his injury but that was never reported on blue sky so there's no possible way it could've happened.
Sure, you never said he was in the portal.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 10, 2025, 08:04:14 PMAnd it won't be four years in a row. A certain injured PG is in the portal right now.
Lol.
Keep spinning into pretzels buddy. You lied or your source sucked. It's one or the other.
But I'm totally buying that he reaggrevated an ACL tear playing video games. Your inside info has proven to be spot on. Can't wait for your next golf trip!
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 01:10:56 PMSure, you never said he was in the portal.
Lol.
Keep spinning into pretzels buddy. You lied or your source sucked. It's one or the other.
But I'm totally buying that he reaggrevated an ACL tear playing video games. Your inside info has proven to be spot on. Can't wait for your next golf trip!
Another tell tale sign you have no inside source here. Anyone here in the circle knows that is true. Tuck tale and move on junior
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 05:24:23 PMAnother tell tale sign you have no inside source here. Anyone here in the circle knows that is true. Tuck tale and move on junior
Your "inside source" has Sean Jones not at Marquette University. 😂😂😂😂
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 05:33:53 PMYour "inside source" has Sean Jones not at Marquette University. 😂😂😂😂
Buddy do you have a Asperger's or do you just enjoy being a pedantic hyperbolic dip?
In the names of Pere Marquette and Al McGuire, everyone is friends here, right?
Gaslight.
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 06:24:41 PMBuddy do you have a Asperger's or do you just enjoy being a pedantic hyperbolic dip?
Guy asks for receipts, then melts down when receipts are provided. Sad.
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 06:24:41 PMBuddy do you have a Asperger's or do you just enjoy being a pedantic hyperbolic dip?
Aspergers is no longer an official diagnosis, piggy!
Quote from: wadesworld on November 25, 2025, 10:50:03 AMGuy asks for receipts, then melts down when receipts are provided. Sad.
*no receipts provided and only excuses put forth when asked to provide receipts
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 25, 2025, 02:30:30 PMAspergers is no longer an official diagnosis, piggy!
what if i'm a doctor? the words on this screen are as official as it gets beejay
Quote from: panda on November 23, 2025, 05:24:23 PMAnother tell tale sign you have no inside source here. Anyone here in the circle knows that is true. Tuck tale and move on junior
He re- tore it playing 2k and had another surgery? I'm trying to figure this out.
Quote from: MUDPT on November 25, 2025, 04:19:32 PMHe re- tore it playing 2k and had another surgery? I'm trying to figure this out.
Don't question this dude's source. Sean Jones is no longer at Marquette and as a Doctor of PT, you wouldn't know how you reaggravate a torn ACL.
Wow, Tower's started thread on "Shaka's Hot Seat" vanished.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 25, 2025, 05:02:24 PMWow, Tower's started thread on "Shaka's Hot Seat" vanished.
It's in the super bar... Where he started it.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 25, 2025, 04:24:09 PMDon't question this dude's source. Sean Jones is no longer at Marquette and as a Doctor of PT, you wouldn't know how you reaggravate a torn ACL.
Is it possible for a patient to non compliantly stretch their post op indications too early, thusly slowing down their recovery time?
Quote from: panda on November 25, 2025, 04:18:23 PMwhat if i'm a doctor? the words on this screen are as official as it gets beejay
sh1t bag, it's not an official diagnosis still. Shame on you, fat piggy plump plump
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 25, 2025, 07:56:52 PMsh1t bag, it's not an official diagnosis still. Shame on you, fat piggy plump plump
I think you confused me with wades world.
Quote from: panda on November 25, 2025, 04:18:23 PMwhat if i'm a doctor? the words on this screen are as official as it gets beejay
If you're a doctor, write properly.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 25, 2025, 08:36:59 PMIf you're a doctor, write properly.
Life is about telling not spelling dream boy
Quote from: panda on November 25, 2025, 08:49:04 PMLife is about telling not spelling dream boy
You do have issues, you need some psychedelics.
Quote from: panda on November 25, 2025, 05:29:11 PMIs it possible for a patient to non compliantly stretch their post op indications too early, thusly slowing down their recovery time?
What's a post op indication? Do you mean contraindication? What were his contraindications, and how did he "stretch" them? (I've never heard the term stretch in this context before.)
Quote from: MUDPT on November 26, 2025, 05:36:04 AMWhat's a post op indication? Do you mean contraindication? What were his contraindications, and how did he "stretch" them? (I've never heard the term stretch in this context before.)
Oh, this post is pure gold. Kudos!
Quote from: MUDPT on November 26, 2025, 05:36:04 AMWhat's a post op indication? Do you mean contraindication? What were his contraindications, and how did he "stretch" them? (I've never heard the term stretch in this context before.)
Ha! Maybe post op complications?
I don't have time to read this whole crap thread.
You said this. you said that....Blah....Blah....Blah....
I can't believe you guys can type so much with only "one hand" free in your basements....
Here are the facts.
Tre was a miss......Sean is close to being a miss....We have a young team with little experience..... Our coaching is coaching the same old way with a team that needs different strategies. We are a 6 win team in the Big East. Relationships are not going to "float" for long. Look how far both Seton Hall and Providence have come in one year with the coaching staff adapting.....Time for Shaka to adapt and change some things up. The basketball team lives like they are top 10 program in amenities and et al. Being a sub 100 team with a top 15 team investment wise is going to have a very short shelf life.
Happy T-Day.
Shaka gets paid a lot. Figure it out. Time to adapt... Or otherwise.....Become Wojo....
Shaka should not kid himself.....MU may be kindler and gentler now......But alumni from the 70's and 80's are "Warriors" and align more with the Al McGuire/Rick Majerus/Kevin O'Neil mode. We are the silent majority that "has an edge"....This is not the Jesuit school where "rich go to play".....
Quote from: burger on November 26, 2025, 08:09:13 AMHappy T-Day.
And a Happy T-Day to you too Burger.
Edit: Hey, did you notice that Clark had a nice 8 minutes in the CMU game?
Quote from: burger on November 26, 2025, 08:09:13 AMI don't have time to read this whole crap thread.
You said this. you said that....Blah....Blah....Blah....
I can't believe you guys can type so much with only "one hand" free in your basements....
Here are the facts.
Tre was a miss......Sean is close to being a miss....We have a young team with little experience..... Our coaching is coaching the same old way with a team that needs different strategies. We are a 6 win team in the Big East. Relationships are not going to "float" for long. Look how far both Seton Hall and Providence have come in one year with the coaching staff adapting.....Time for Shaka to adapt and change some things up. The basketball team lives like they are top 10 program in amenities and et al. Being a sub 100 team with a top 15 team investment wise is going to have a very short shelf life.
Happy T-Day.
Shaka gets paid a lot. Figure it out. Time to adapt... Or otherwise.....Become Wojo....
Shaka should not kid himself.....MU may be kindler and gentler now......But alumni from the 70's and 80's are "Warriors" and align more with the Al McGuire/Rick Majerus/Kevin O'Neil mode. We are the silent majority that "has an edge"....This is not the Jesuit school where "rich go to play".....
Sure, Jan
Quote from: burger on November 26, 2025, 08:09:13 AMI don't have time to read this whole crap thread.
You said this. you said that....Blah....Blah....Blah....
I can't believe you guys can type so much with only "one hand" free in your basements....
Here are the facts.
Tre was a miss......Sean is close to being a miss....We have a young team with little experience..... Our coaching is coaching the same old way with a team that needs different strategies. We are a 6 win team in the Big East. Relationships are not going to "float" for long. Look how far both Seton Hall and Providence have come in one year with the coaching staff adapting.....Time for Shaka to adapt and change some things up. The basketball team lives like they are top 10 program in amenities and et al. Being a sub 100 team with a top 15 team investment wise is going to have a very short shelf life.
Happy T-Day.
Shaka gets paid a lot. Figure it out. Time to adapt... Or otherwise.....Become Wojo....
Shaka should not kid himself.....MU may be kindler and gentler now......But alumni from the 70's and 80's are "Warriors" and align more with the Al McGuire/Rick Majerus/Kevin O'Neil mode. We are the silent majority that "has an edge"....This is not the Jesuit school where "rich go to play".....
Curious to hear more about how far Providence has come after 6 games and a 4-2 record.
Quote from: burger on November 26, 2025, 08:09:13 AMThe basketball team lives like they are top 10 program in amenities and et al.
In what ways? You really think Humphrey Hall is a top 10 accommodation? The Al is nice, but there's a reason they were fundraising for a new practice facility before they started being able to pay players. Almost every high major charters flights. What makes them "live like they are top 10 program in amenities and et al?"
Quote from: MUDPT on November 26, 2025, 05:36:04 AMWhat's a post op indication? Do you mean contraindication? What were his contraindications, and how did he "stretch" them? (I've never heard the term stretch in this context before.)
post op indication = after surgery rehab guideline
out of curiosity - what is your typical 0-2 week protocol for a BTB ACL reconstruction on a high level athlete? does it include jumping?
Quote from: burger on November 26, 2025, 08:09:13 AMI don't have time to read this whole crap thread.
You said this. you said that....Blah....Blah....Blah....
I can't believe you guys can type so much with only "one hand" free in your basements....
Here are the facts.
Tre was a miss......Sean is close to being a miss....We have a young team with little experience..... Our coaching is coaching the same old way with a team that needs different strategies. We are a 6 win team in the Big East. Relationships are not going to "float" for long. Look how far both Seton Hall and Providence have come in one year with the coaching staff adapting.....Time for Shaka to adapt and change some things up. The basketball team lives like they are top 10 program in amenities and et al. Being a sub 100 team with a top 15 team investment wise is going to have a very short shelf life.
Happy T-Day.
Shaka gets paid a lot. Figure it out. Time to adapt... Or otherwise.....Become Wojo....
Shaka should not kid himself.....MU may be kindler and gentler now......But alumni from the 70's and 80's are "Warriors" and align more with the Al McGuire/Rick Majerus/Kevin O'Neil mode. We are the silent majority that "has an edge"....This is not the Jesuit school where "rich go to play".....
I don't have time to read this whole crap post.
Quote from: panda on November 26, 2025, 11:37:12 AMpost op indication = after surgery rehab guideline
out of curiosity - what is your typical 0-2 week protocol for a BTB ACL reconstruction on a high level athlete? does it include jumping?
In almost 20 years of doing this, I've never heard that term used before.
Anyway, the second part. A lot of questions. Why would you use any other graft on a high level athlete? Is this incident the cause of why he was on crutches forever and his knee was locked in extension?
Quote from: MUDPT on November 26, 2025, 12:14:06 PMIn almost 20 years of doing this, I've never heard that term used before.
Anyway, the second part. A lot of questions. Why would you use any other graft on a high level athlete? Is this incident the cause of why he was on crutches forever and his knee was locked in extension?
Rule 1,2 and 3 of medicine - never stop learning.
I'll repeat since you didn't answer my question and it will help clarify your initial query "He re- tore it playing 2k and had another surgery?" - what is your typical 0-2 week protocol for a BTB ACL reconstruction on a high level athlete? does it include jumping?
To answer the question you presented from my question - some surgeons, not me, are more comfortable harvesting the gracilis and offers less post op anterior knee pain. Some consider the graft to be stiffer as well which in a vacuum I agree with however modern fixation methods allow the same or even greater stiffness with bone plugs and the patellar tendon. Different ways to skin a cat.
It would seem that 1 subpar year every 5 or 6 is tolerable if the next upswing is higher than the prior upswing. Progress is rarily if ever uniform. I would agree that Shaka needs to adapt but not just to the portal but to the players he has. He needs to coach the team he has and not the team he wants. James,Hamilton, Stevens and Parham are good players. The futur of MU seems pretty bright to me is Shaka figures it out.
Quote from: hawk on November 26, 2025, 03:28:30 PMIt would seem that 1 subpar year every 5 or 6 is tolerable if the next upswing is higher than the prior upswing. Progress is rarily if ever uniform. I would agree that Shaka needs to adapt but not just to the portal but to the players he has. He needs to coach the team he has and not the team he wants. James,Hamilton, Stevens and Parham are good players. The future of MU seems pretty bright to me is Shaka figures it out.
Very interesting sentence. It sounds so simple and direct, but I don't think it is. Please explain what the "team he has" is and why he should not turn them into "the team he wants." I'm
not trying to give you a hard time. It's an honest question.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2025, 03:37:04 PMVery interesting sentence. It sounds so simple and direct, but I don't think it is. Please explain what the "team he has" is and why he should not turn them into "the team he wants." I'm not trying to give you a hard time. It's an honest question.
I'm not hawk, but I'll throw something out here ...
When I coach, I have an offensive system I like, as well as a full-court press I like to use. They were perfect for the conference-championship (middle school) team I coached. After a couple years as a HS assistant, I returned to MS level, though a far more competitive one. I really wanted that team to use my offense and press, but I learned fairly quickly that the personnel simply couldn't run the press, and they weren't very good at executing the offense, either. So I chucked the press - went with more of an half-court trap - and made numerous changes to the offense. I coached the team I had, not the one I wanted.
I'm interpreting what hawk said, at least in part, to Shaka still running a 3-heavy offense even though we're not a good shooting team, and a defense in which our 5 hedges 40 feet from the hoop even though it has mostly yielded poor results so far this season. Is he coaching the team he wants? Maybe.
Quote from: panda on November 26, 2025, 02:22:54 PMRule 1,2 and 3 of medicine - never stop learning.
I'll repeat since you didn't answer my question and it will help clarify your initial query "He re- tore it playing 2k and had another surgery?" - what is your typical 0-2 week protocol for a BTB ACL reconstruction on a high level athlete? does it include jumping?
To answer the question you presented from my question - some surgeons, not me, are more comfortable harvesting the gracilis and offers less post op anterior knee pain. Some consider the graft to be stiffer as well which in a vacuum I agree with however modern fixation methods allow the same or even greater stiffness with bone plugs and the patellar tendon. Different ways to skin a cat.
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Quote from: MU82 on November 26, 2025, 05:30:06 PMI'm not hawk, but I'll throw something out here ...
When I coach, I have an offensive system I like, as well as a full-court press I like to use. They were perfect for the conference-championship (middle school) team I coached. After a couple years as a HS assistant, I returned to MS level, though a far more competitive one. I really wanted that team to use my offense and press, but I learned fairly quickly that the personnel simply couldn't run the press, and they weren't very good at executing the offense, either. So I chucked the press - went with more of an half-court trap - and made numerous changes to the offense. I coached the team I had, not the one I wanted.
I'm interpreting what hawk said, at least in part, to Shaka still running a 3-heavy offense even though we're not a good shooting team, and a defense in which our 5 hedges 40 feet from the hoop even though it has mostly yielded poor results so far this season. Is he coaching the team he wants? Maybe.
I appreciate your reply, but I think the old "apples and oranges" cliche' comes into play here, in the sense that you did not recruit your team, right? Jim Boeheim had his version of the zone defense that was the foundation of his Syracuse teams, and they played it exceptionally well. He once said that he recruited players who he thought could play defense the way he wanted them to, and added that he would "coach them up" to playing offense if that was necessary.
I remember Al McGuire once saying something along the lines of "I've got horses, so I'm going to let them run."
So... where is Shaka in this "coach the team you have, not the one you want?" Do
they need to adapt to what he wants, or does
he need to accept them with the talents (or lack thereof) that they have demonstrated? For now, let's try to avoid the answer "somewhere in between the two", even though that may be true. I'm interested in a debate between the two.
Quote from: panda on November 26, 2025, 08:25:37 PMHave an ounce of faith dreamer
An ounce of weed is better, faith is woke
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 26, 2025, 09:17:42 PMAn ounce of weed is better, faith is woke
Tell it to St. Peter
Quote from: panda on November 26, 2025, 09:29:33 PMTell it to St. Peter
He was a junkie like major Tom
MU82 gets it. I think it gets easy for a coach, especialy a good or successful one to think in terms a system and mold players into it wehther or not they fit it. Hamilton should never lrave the paint. He can't create his own shot but is effective around the basket. For old guys like me think Pat Smith. Gold needs to be fined if he does't take 15 3's a game. I jist tjhink Shaka thinks every big in the world is Osso. have to coach the players you have. I think Shaka is getting close if next years freshmen is an indicater. Need to play some bully ball
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2025, 07:05:58 PMI appreciate your reply, but I think the old "apples and oranges" cliche' comes into play here, in the sense that you did not recruit your team, right? Jim Boeheim had his version of the zone defense that was the foundation of his Syracuse teams, and they played it exceptionally well. He once said that he recruited players who he thought could play defense the way he wanted them to, and added that he would "coach them up" to playing offense if that was necessary.
I remember Al McGuire once saying something along the lines of "I've got horses, so I'm going to let them run."
So... where is Shaka in this "coach the team you have, not the one you want?" Do they need to adapt to what he wants, or does he need to accept them with the talents (or lack thereof) that they have demonstrated? For now, let's try to avoid the answer "somewhere in between the two", even though that may be true. I'm interested in a debate between the two.
I think it's possible that Shaka thought he was recruiting enough players who could play like he wants. Take Owens. Good athlete. Good shooter in HS. Showed some PG skills. 6-8 with good wing span for pressing. Recruited by lots of P5 schools, so it's not as if Shaka was the only one who saw the potential. But he just hasn't clicked yet for whatever reason. Parham - had a nice freshman year and even most Eeyores thought he was gonna be a player for us. But he hasn't taken that next step for whatever reason.
If the criticism is that Shaka has missed on HS evaluations and/or hasn't developed players well enough to fit the systems he wants to use AND that he refuses to use the portal to overcome some shortcomings, that's probably valid.
Still, the body of work has to mean something, no? If so, how much time does he get to prove what he's doing will work? If not, what? Fire him now? That seems drastic (and I'm not suggesting you're saying that).
Quote from: hawk on November 26, 2025, 09:51:57 PMMU82 gets it. I think it gets easy for a coach, especialy a good or successful one to think in terms a system and mold players into it wehther or not they fit it. Hamilton should never lrave the paint. He can't create his own shot but is effective around the basket. For old guys like me think Pat Smith. Gold needs to be fined if he does't take 15 3's a game. I jist tjhink Shaka thinks every big in the world is Osso. have to coach the players you have. I think Shaka is getting close if next years freshmen is an indicater. Need to play some bully ball
Quote from: MU82 on November 27, 2025, 12:13:02 AMI think it's possible that Shaka thought he was recruiting enough players who could play like he wants. Take Owens. Good athlete. Good shooter in HS. Showed some PG skills. 6-8 with good wing span for pressing. Recruited by lots of P5 schools, so it's not as if Shaka was the only one who saw the potential. But he just hasn't clicked yet for whatever reason. Parham - had a nice freshman year and even most Eeyores thought he was gonna be a player for us. But he hasn't taken that next step for whatever reason.
If the criticism is that Shaka has missed on HS evaluations and/or hasn't developed players well enough to fit the systems he wants to use AND that he refuses to use the portal to overcome some shortcomings, that's probably valid.
Still, the body of work has to mean something, no? If so, how much time does he get to prove what he's doing will work? If not, what? Fire him now? That seems drastic (and I'm not suggesting you're saying that).
I think one more year will show that - if this season pans out on its current trajectory and next year if the current frosh/soph don't take the leap and the incoming class isn't ready to go AND he doesn't go to the portal probably time for a different path.
But a lot of ball between now and then - win the next four and it's a completely different narrative for this year, not to mention next.
Quote from: hawk on November 26, 2025, 09:51:57 PMMU82 gets it. I think it gets easy for a coach, especialy a good or successful one to think in terms a system and mold players into it wehther or not they fit it. Hamilton should never lrave the paint. He can't create his own shot but is effective around the basket. For old guys like me think Pat Smith. Gold needs to be fined if he does't take 15 3's a game. I jist tjhink Shaka thinks every big in the world is Osso. have to coach the players you have. I think Shaka is getting close if next years freshmen is an indicater. Need to play some bully ball
I hope Shaka doesn't get coaching advice like this.
He plays Hamilton and Gold nothing like Oso and nothing like one another.
Quote from: MU82 on November 27, 2025, 12:13:02 AMStill, the body of work has to mean something, no? If so, how much time does he get to prove what he's doing will work? If not, what? Fire him now? That seems drastic (and I'm not suggesting you're saying that).
Oh, not even
close to suggesting the bolded. I am interested in the "coach the team you have" vs. "coach the team you want" discussions. I think it is a blend of the two, but not necessarily 50/50.
I trust Shaka. He's a great recruiter and excellent coach. He'll fine tune this team to play his winning style. He knows how to win.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 27, 2025, 06:36:09 AMI hope Shaka doesn't get coaching advice like this.
He plays Hamilton and Gold nothing like Oso and nothing like one another.
Hawk has some 'indicaters' of being a lil bit crazay.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on November 27, 2025, 10:25:16 AMI trust Shaka. He's a great recruiter and excellent coach. He'll fine tune this team to play his winning style. He knows how to win.
Thanks! This is what I was hoping for. Another scooper might say he needs to partially deal with the players' limitations.
I think Shaka is a fine coach but honestly the one facet of his tenure that has been disappointing is his recruiting. I expected much better results on the national level.
Quote from: drbob on November 27, 2025, 11:10:35 AMI think Shaka is a fine coach but honestly the one facet of his tenure that has been disappointing is his recruiting. I expected much better results on the national level.
He is no Wojo
Quote from: panda on November 26, 2025, 02:22:54 PMRule 1,2 and 3 of medicine - never stop learning.
I'll repeat since you didn't answer my question and it will help clarify your initial query "He re- tore it playing 2k and had another surgery?" - what is your typical 0-2 week protocol for a BTB ACL reconstruction on a high level athlete? does it include jumping?
To answer the question you presented from my question - some surgeons, not me, are more comfortable harvesting the gracilis and offers less post op anterior knee pain. Some consider the graft to be stiffer as well which in a vacuum I agree with however modern fixation methods allow the same or even greater stiffness with bone plugs and the patellar tendon. Different ways to skin a cat.
Obviously, no jumping for the first two weeks. What are your criteria for progression to plyometrics? Wouldn't you agree that if he injured it in an excited 2k moment, it likely would have also happened walking to class, getting out of the shower, showing EGBs on the bench?
Quote from: MUDPT on November 27, 2025, 11:46:23 AMObviously, no jumping for the first two weeks. What are your criteria for progression to plyometrics? Wouldn't you agree that if he injured it in an excited 2k moment, it likely would have also happened walking to class, getting out of the shower, showing EGBs on the bench?
No - jumping without a hinged brace presents a completely different risk than managed partial/non weight bearing activities.
panda, what are you a doctor of?
Nm
I guess panda decided to take the fifth.
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2025, 10:25:59 PMI guess panda decided to take the fifth.
I sent wades a private message as I do not feel the need to discuss my personal life on this forum.
Quote from: panda on November 29, 2025, 10:27:17 PMI sent wades a private message as I do not feel the need to discuss my personal life on this forum.
I'd welcome a private message, too. But you're under no obligation to share with me or anyone else.
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2025, 10:40:07 PMI'd welcome a private message, too. But you're under no obligation to share with me or anyone else.
MU82 is lookin for a gyno??
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on November 27, 2025, 10:25:16 AMI trust Shaka. He's a great recruiter and excellent coach. He'll fine tune this team to play his winning style. He knows how to win.
Actually agree with this. Let's Beat Valpo and take it from there. Go Marquette!
I think it interesting that some describe Shaka as a "great recruiter." I'm not so sure about that. Yes, he has recruited some nice players and a couple of really, really good players - Tyler and Chase. But, other than those two and probably Nigel James, I have trouble identifying an outstanding player he has brought to MU. That's three really good players in five years. His other really good players (Oso, Stevie, and Kam) were Wojo recruits. Yes, Shaka convinced them to stay at MU, but, truth is, he did not identify them and bring them to MU. Three really good players in five years is not going to result in a really good team if you refuse to use the portal. On the other hand, there is a fairly long list of Shaka recruits who either did not pan out at all or who are not the players they needed to be.
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 02, 2025, 09:17:34 AMI think it interesting that some describe Shaka as a "great recruiter." I'm not so sure about that. Yes, he has recruited some nice players and a couple of really, really good players - Tyler and Chase. But, other than those two and probably Nigel James, I have trouble identifying an outstanding player he has brought to MU. That's three really good players in five years. His other really good players (Oso, Stevie, and Kam) were Wojo recruits. Yes, Shaka convinced them to stay at MU, but, truth is, he did not identify them and bring them to MU. Three really good players in five years is not going to result in a really good team if you refuse to use the portal. On the other hand, there is a fairly long list of Shaka recruits who either did not pan out at all or who are not the players they needed to be.
He did recruit Jolp, while at Texas
Quote from: rgoode57 on December 02, 2025, 09:17:34 AMI think it interesting that some describe Shaka as a "great recruiter." I'm not so sure about that. Yes, he has recruited some nice players and a couple of really, really good players - Tyler and Chase. But, other than those two and probably Nigel James, I have trouble identifying an outstanding player he has brought to MU. That's three really good players in five years. His other really good players (Oso, Stevie, and Kam) were Wojo recruits. Yes, Shaka convinced them to stay at MU, but, truth is, he did not identify them and bring them to MU. Three really good players in five years is not going to result in a really good team if you refuse to use the portal. On the other hand, there is a fairly long list of Shaka recruits who either did not pan out at all or who are not the players they needed to be.
Yeah being in the guy's final 3 and then re-recruiting him to stay means he never identified and recruited him.
I actually agree with this sentiment but every time it's made people ignore that Shaka almost had Oso at Texas, or have flat out not included Joplin.
Let's dive into Shakas 4* recruits' rankings via 247
Egbuonu: 75
Johnson: 147
Stephens: 78
James: 86
Phillips: 105
Ian: 111
Sheek (after reclassified): 119
Owens: 76
Parham: 94
Tre: 95
Zaide: 105
Chase: 135
Joplin: 84
Ellis: 86
Kam: 107
Stevie: 115
Oso (because Shaka did try to recruit him to Texas): 81
his "range" has basically stayed the same based on objective talent evaluators and isn't different than what MU generally gets. I'm more worried about the growth and development than identifying talent, or he's inordinately great at identifying busts
Maybe recruiting from 75-125 is simply going to be a roller coaster ride with large drop offs every once in a while. How long and far the drop offs go could be a problem, especially in this day and age. You have to pay players now. MU can pay players based on fan support. But there will be less paying customers if the down turn becomes prolonged.
Do all freshmen get the same amount of money? It's possible MU may need to go outside this way of thinking and pay for better players in a tier system based on recruiting rankings.
1-25 $1 mil/year off the bat.
25-50 $500 k
50-100 $250 k
Etc.
Reasses every year and pay accordingly. Those that contribute well (efg%, usage) get $250 k bumps. Those that are not contributing could go down. Those players that are truly legit (Tyler, Kam, Oso, Lewis, Omax) and would stick around get more if it's in the budget.
None of these numbers in the example are set in stone. They are examples. I don't know the going rate. But everyone getting the same out of high school will not lead to better recruits IMO. The top tier recruits should get more.
So now Shaka is both a bad recruiter and a bad coach. Crazy the success he's had in spite of him being bad at the two things a good college coach needs to be good at.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 02, 2025, 01:02:46 PMSo now Shaka is both a bad recruiter and a bad coach. Crazy the success he's had in spite of him being bad at the two things a good college coach needs to be good at.
I'm not in this argument, but it's worth pointing out that there's a difference between saying A) Shaka is a bad recruiter, and B) Shaka is not necessarily a "great recruiter".
It didn't seem to me like anyone is suggesting A. If they are, I wouldn't agree with that and believe the incoming classes will put that notion to rest. I think Shaka is a good recruiter that can definitely do better but simply chooses not to, hence B.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 02, 2025, 01:02:46 PMSo now Shaka is both a bad recruiter and a bad coach. Crazy the success he's had in spite of him being bad at the two things a good college coach needs to be good at.
Well the current roster is built with 4 of his recruiting classes and the outlook for next year isn't looking good either, so he's done something wrong.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 02, 2025, 01:23:52 PMI'm not in this argument, but it's worth pointing out that there's a difference between saying A) Shaka is a bad recruiter, and B) Shaka is not necessarily a "great recruiter".
It didn't seem to me like anyone is suggesting A. If they are, I wouldn't agree with that and believe the incoming classes will put that notion to rest. I think Shaka is a good recruiter that can definitely do better but simply chooses not to, hence B.
get in the argument...you are winning here
Quote from: wadesworld on December 02, 2025, 01:02:46 PMSo now Shaka is both a bad recruiter and a bad coach. Crazy the success he's had in spite of him being bad at the two things a good college coach needs to be good at.
I don't think Shaka is a bad recruiter. His track record at Texas proves otherwise.
I do think that during his time at Marquette, he's swung and missed too often on upside, overestimating his staff's ability to take a kid with traits (height, speed, athleticism) and turn him into a basketball player.
Taking a shot on a raw big man is OK every once in a while. Buzz did it with guys like Mbao and McMorrow. He also moved on from them quickly. But recruiting
only projects for your frontcourt - and that includes Gold, IMO - puts you at risk of landing where we are today.
I also think there may have been an overemphasis on recruiting a certain type of kid, i.e. one who'll bide his time and buy into the RGV model, at the expense of recruiting the best players you can get. Nobody wants to bring jerks into the the program. But there's nothing wrong with trying to land kids who hope they can get to the league quickly. It's not going to wreck your precious culture.
It's less about his ability to recruit than it his recruiting choices.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 02, 2025, 02:39:06 PMI don't think Shaka is a bad recruiter. His track record at Texas proves otherwise.
I do think that during his time at Marquette, he's swung and missed too often on upside, overestimating his staff's ability to take a kid with traits (height, speed, athleticism) and turn him into a basketball player.
Taking a shot on a raw big man is OK every once in a while. Buzz did it with guys like Mbao and McMorrow. But recruiting only projects for your frontcourt - and that includes Gold, IMO - puts you a risk of landing where we are today.
I also think there may have been an overemphasis on recruiting a certain type of kid, i.e. one who'll bide his time and buy into the RGV model, at the expense of recruiting the best players you can get. I get it, nobody wants to bring jerks into the the program. But there's nothing wrong with trying to land kids who hope they can get to the league quickly.
It's less about his ability to recruit than it his recruiting choices.
He's recruited a good amount of higher level talent, usually 1-2 guys he goes pretty hard for in each class. He just hasn't landed them, unfortunately. Why? I'm not sure. But guys like Dooney Johnson, Cam Ward, JJ Andrews, Kon Knipple, Nyk Lewis, and others that are higher level kids than Shaka has landed have all had legitimate interest in Marquette. The guys he's landed have been between 75-125ish for the most part, which has typically been the sweet spot for Marquette, with an occasional higher ranked kid every couple years.
I don't think Shaka is avoiding recruiting higher level players who would push for immediate minutes over returners. There's just a lot of competition for those players.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 02, 2025, 02:46:38 PMI don't think Shaka is avoiding recruiting higher level players who would push for immediate minutes over returners. There's just a lot of competition for those players.
Agreed. I don't think there is a coach in college, in any sport, who would pass on talent to reward current players. That is kind of the whole premise of competitive sports. Whoever gives the team the best chance to win, plays. That starts in like 5th grade.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 02, 2025, 03:29:56 PMAgreed. I don't think there is a coach in college, in any sport, who would pass on talent to reward current players.
Isn't that exactly what Shaka says he's doing when asked why he doesn't use the portal?
Trash - well ... it depends how you look at it. Shaka has swung and missed on higher level talent ( Kon ), but he actively and intentionally passes on kids in the portal.
That's why he has the roster he has, and why a guy like Hamilton is playing FFS.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 02, 2025, 03:29:56 PMAgreed. I don't think there is a coach in college, in any sport, who would pass on talent to reward current players. That is kind of the whole premise of competitive sports. Whoever gives the team the best chance to win, plays. That starts in like 5th grade.
https://today.marquette.edu/2025/07/mens-basketball-coach-shaka-smart-talks-our-way-how-marquette-approaches-player-retention-development-differently/
Shaka on the portal:
"For us, we are not against transfers. Tyler Kolek and O-Max Prosper were transfers. Those guys were really good for us. But we are in favor of, and I actually got this from Travis Diener, who is as thoughtful and good a representative of Marquette basketball and Marquette University as we've had in our program in the last few decades. Travis said to me,
'I just think it makes sense to reward the guys who have worn the jersey.' I think about that often. It just makes a lot of sense."
"Once you start bringing in a bunch of transfers, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. It impacts your roster and your program. We have made a decision and a commitment to the guys in our program. Yes, we could have gone in the transfer portal and recruited some guys, but we feel like it would have stunted their growth. We feel if we value growth, that would be a contradiction, and we believe that we can be a lot better than people think without taking transfers."
There it is, Effen Diener!