1) Sure feels that way, doesn't it.
2) Mistakes were made, by everyone involved, but at the end of the day it just seems like this years Marquette just doesn't have it.
3) To a man, let's stop the attacking game on the ones that have taken this program to these new heights. We've been spoiled recently, so a year like this seems extra bad.
4) Really bad Benny 1H, combined with pretty bad Chase 2H and you can't win, not this year.
5) Nigel James Jr, proud of you. Don't care about the mistakes.
6) Stop hedging out to the half court line, please.
7) I asked for zone in the game chat as half, nicely done Shaka. Also, I asked for not subbing in the last 6/7 mins and there was none, thank you.
8) On the flip side- sitting Chase at the 6 min mark in the 1H is a mistake coach wouldn't make in the past. Caedin in overtime... c'mon. I won't pin the last play of regulation on Shaka alone, but between him and Chase you've gotta do better.
9) You know it's gotten bad when you're begging for a freshman in overtime. Ben gets hurt, best play is to go small with Parham at the 5 and Adrien in a small lineup. That's on the staff, and the lack of growth/improvement in the offseason.
10) The fight was there, but there was always a feeling of "Marquette is just not good enough"
11) Don't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone. He's done enough for this program since he's been here. There is a Greek saying that goes "you've made your bed, it's time to sleep in it." Coach has work to do, just let the man do his work.
12) Believe it or not, despite the thread title the season isn't over. Brighter days ahead.
We Are Marquette
If it's not a conflicting statement to say that the team isn't good enough, but Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone, this athletic department is diseased beyond repair.
MU made a run late by switching to zone and discontinuing the press. It's somewhat of an indictment of the staff that guys who are in their second and third years at MU are so lost defensively in man that you have to go zone.
I cringe every time MU takes a 3.
If I'd have been as big and as athletic as Lowery, I'd have tried to drive it to score almost every time I touched the ball. He just doesn't have a scorer's mentality.
This will be a long year. Bottom feeders of a bad Big East. I'm not expecting it to get much better next year.
That said, I'm firmly behind Shaka. If we are in this spot two years from now,I'll question that support. But Shaka needs to re-evaluate.
The slip started last year when no one stepped up. Shaka stayed the course. If he is not going to take transfers, he needs to take a different approach to recruiting. He's made too many mistakes in recent years and it's killed the programs momentum.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:28:47 PM1) Sure feels that way, doesn't it.
2) Mistakes were made, by everyone involved, but at the end of the day it just seems like this years Marquette just doesn't have it.
3) To a man, let's stop the attacking game on the ones that have taken this program to these new heights. We've been spoiled recently, so a year like this seems extra bad.
4) Really bad Benny 1H, combined with pretty bad Chase 2H and you can't win, not this year.
5) Nigel James Jr, proud of you. Don't care about the mistakes.
6) Stop hedging out to the half court line, please.
7) I asked for zone in the game chat as half, nicely done Shaka. Also, I asked for not subbing in the last 6/7 mins and there was none, thank you.
8) On the flip side- sitting Chase at the 6 min mark in the 1H is a mistake coach wouldn't make in the past. Caedin in overtime... c'mon. I won't pin the last play of regulation on Shaka alone, but between him and Chase you've gotta do better.
9) You know it's gotten bad when you're begging for a freshman in overtime. Ben gets hurt, best play is to go small with Parham at the 5 and Adrien in a small lineup. That's on the staff, and the lack of growth/improvement in the offseason.
10) The fight was there, but there was always a feeling of "Marquette is just not good enough"
11) Don't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone. He's done enough for this program since he's been here. There is a Greek saying that goes "you've made your bed, it's time to sleep in it." Coach has work to do, just let the man do his work.
12) Believe it or not, despite the thread title the season isn't over. Brighter days ahead.
We Are Marquette
I'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
Maybe others might agree, but brighter days ahead? Bring that up after the Purdue game.
Kudos to Ben Gold who played the best three minutes of his MU career from four minutes to one minute left in regulation. He hit two threes, got three rebounds and made two outstanding defensive plays. If not for him MU loses by 10 in regulation. The Lowery airball, James turnover and not getting shot off, all in tie game in last two minutes was terrible, along with three points in OT on one shot made.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2025, 09:43:29 PMI'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
They're a little gamey though
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2025, 09:43:29 PMI'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
Amazes me you didn't know that, weak
5 & 6 are true for sure.
Ben tweaking his ankle at end of regulation probably led to Hamilto being out there in OT.
Agree 13 would have been the better call.
The saddest thing, to me, is that despite this display of ineptitude by multiple people Owens couldn't get a sniff. I was really optimistic that with him healthy we'd see a player.
Hoo boy...I didn't think we would be good, but didn't think it would be this bad. The continuity of our roster was supposed to prevent non-competitive teams. And what exactly is worked on in practice?
Lost season aside, Shaka has earned the benefit of the doubt with what he's done the past four years. He should be given time to fix it.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 19, 2025, 09:47:14 PM5 & 6 are true for sure.
Ben tweaking his ankle at end of regulation probably led to Hamilto being out there in OT.
Agree 13 would have been the better call.
The saddest thing, to me, is that despite this display of ineptitude by multiple people Owens couldn't get a sniff. I was really optimistic that with him healthy we'd see a player.
Owens was healthy the majority of the year last year. His preseason injury was way too played up on scoop as a source of not getting into a rhythm for months and months. The hope was that he would develop with a healthy offseason but he had a healthy season last year and did nothing. At some point you are either good or you are not.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2025, 09:43:29 PMI'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
This season dove bomb at 200 mph.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:28:47 PM11) Don't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone. He's done enough for this program since he's been here. There is a Greek saying that goes "you've made your bed, it's time to sleep in it." Coach has work to do, just let the man do his work.
This is absurd. Shaka's earned a long, long leash, but maybe at least give us a Final Four before handing out lifetime passes. One conference title + one Sweet 16 = "Done Enough" is wildly COLE.
Not sure how anyone on Scoop prevents him from doing his work.
Quote12) Believe it or not, despite the thread title the season isn't over. Brighter days ahead.
We Are Marquette
Yes, there are more games to be played, so technically the season isn't over. But home losses to Dayton and depleted Maryland don't indicate brighter days are ahead. Appreciate the optimism, though.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 19, 2025, 09:46:46 PMAmazes me you didn't know that, weak
Of course I knew that! I just needed a distraction after the game. They don't have any natural predators.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 19, 2025, 09:54:15 PMThis season dove bomb at 200 mph.
It's a fair point.
:(
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:00:57 PMThis is absurd. Shaka's earned a long, long leash, but maybe at least give us a Final Four before handing out lifetime passes. One conference title + one Sweet 16 = "Done Enough" is wildly COLE.
Not sure how anyone on Scoop prevents him from doing his work.
Yes, there are more games to be played, so technically the season isn't over. But home losses to Dayton and depleted Maryland don't indicate brighter days are ahead. Appreciate the optimism, though.
No one mentioned a lifetime pass.
Is your definition of "long long leash" 6 games into a failed season?
Weak definition, my friend.
Totally inexcusable and on Shaka not getting a shot up last possession of regulation. They had 17 seconds and a full timeout to discuss how to attack. The ball barely moved. It was ridiculous and Shaka owns that.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:28:47 PMDon't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone
BS
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 10:05:14 PMNo one mentioned a lifetime pass.
Is your definition of "long long leash" 6 games into a failed season?
Weak definition, my friend.
Nobody's calling for Shaka's job after six games. Quite the opposite, I wrote he has a "long, long leash." Weak straw man, my friend
If not lifetime pass, what exactly do you mean when you say Shaka answers to nobody and has done enough?
I wish I was on the ocean gate sub
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:08:46 PMNobody's calling for Shaka's job after six games. Quite the opposite, I wrote he has a "long, long leash." Weak straw man, my friend
If not lifetime pass, what exactly do you mean when you say Shaka answers to nobody and has done enough?
I mean in this season
Wish Nigel's aggressiveness and confidence would be contagious. He's a work in progress, but much to like.
Sean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
Why is that cringe worthy bad?
Put yourself in his shoes- you now realize that your system, as designed, isn't fool proof if the upperclassmen don't carry their weight.
However, you've got two very usable 3 year possible starting freshmen guards. You've got some good recruits coming in. You don't want guys like parham, or even Damarius, to jump ship before they can develop into usable.
Even if you plan on shifting course and portalling you stay the same course in the message to retain the youth, and keep the useful upperclassmen. If you feel like you need to, which I think you do, you move on from a few guys and bring in 1-2 talented players in the portal as a stop gap, and let the talent shake itself out.
There are 25 games left, have faith in coach's ability to figure it out if this year is lost, and it's not yet
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
What's cringe worthy bad?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2025, 10:19:59 PMWhat's cringe worthy bad?
A few things. I can ignore the media thing, and give him the benefit of the doubt that he's trying to play the "us against the world/nobody believes in us" thing.
But the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
What do you want him to say?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:31:09 PMA few things. I can ignore the media thing, and give him the benefit of the doubt that he's trying to play the "us against the world/nobody believes in us" thing.
But the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
I guess I might buy it being "cringe worthy bad" if the rest of the actual quote was in there. But it's cut off in the middle of the sentence here...
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:31:09 PMA few things. I can ignore the media thing, and give him the benefit of the doubt that he's trying to play the "us against the world/nobody believes in us" thing.
But the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
Did you click through to read the rest of his comment?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 19, 2025, 10:34:06 PMDid you click through to read the rest of his comment?
Why would anyone click through to that website?!?!
https://xcancel.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://xcancel.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
Quote from: nyg on November 19, 2025, 09:45:02 PMMaybe others might agree, but brighter days ahead? Bring that up after the Purdue game.
Kudos to Ben Gold who played the best three minutes of his MU career from four minutes to one minute left in regulation. He hit two threes, got three rebounds and made two outstanding defensive plays. If not for him MU loses by 10 in regulation. The Lowery airball, James turnover and not getting shot off, all in tie game in last two minutes was terrible, along with three points in OT on one shot made.
Yeah, well, we need way more than three minute stretches of solid play from Gold. 6 points, 2/7 from the field, 4 turnovers, and not one trip to the line in 35 minutes is not enough from a senior on a young team like this. He's way too inconsistent.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2025, 10:33:43 PMI guess I might buy it being "cringe worthy bad" if the rest of the actual quote was in there. But it's cut off in the middle of the sentence here...
The entire quote:
"We've had a lot of success around here. The way we've gone about things is not new. What is a little bit different right now is, we've had in the past couple years, six guys exit our program, that before you even talk about them as basketball players, who they were in terms of teammates and leaders and culture builders, we're responding to that. We're having to react and grow from that."
Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding RGV, but I've been told a big part of it is building a sustainable culture of success. If that's true, then the culture and success should be able to withstand players using up their eligibility. Why, six games into a season, are they having to react and grow from players departing? The whole point of the model, I thought, was for that growth and development to come over multiple years in the program.
Edit: To be clear, like most of us, I expected a bit of a step back this year with the roster losses of the past two years. But I definitely wasn't expecting the floor to drop out as it has. I imagine Shaka didn't either, but that's his job, not mine.
When you go all in on your model against conventional wisdom, you get the praise when it works and the scorn when it doesn't. Shaka's going to have to get used to this because this team just doesn't have the talent to compete at the level we're accustomed to so the questions will keep coming. Like just about everyone, I wish he wouldn't have painted himself into the corner with the portal. No one forced him there, he willingly went even though we were short a guy or two even with all-Americans the last couple years. And then he doubled down with the RGV bullcrap.
Either you adapt or you die.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 19, 2025, 10:38:06 PMYeah, well, we need way more than three minute stretches of solid play from Gold. 6 points, 2/7 from the field, 4 turnovers, and not one trip to the line in 35 minutes is not enough from a senior on a young team like this. He's way too inconsistent.
Yep. I'm still a fan of Ben but up until that point he looked tentative at best. Has to be aggressive every minute he is in. Still too passive. Has to act like this is his and chase's team. Too often he doesn't even look to shoot and if he does he hesitates.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:46:22 PMwe've had in the past couple years, six guys exit our program
1) He counts Amadou, hah
2) He had plenty of warning on Oso and Tyler
3) Pretty good likelihood he knew about Jones, Mitchell, and Joplin too
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 19, 2025, 10:52:30 PM1) He counts Amadou, hah
2) He had plenty of warning on Oso and Tyler
3) Pretty good likelihood he knew about Jones, Mitchell, and Joplin too
Even though he said a "couple" he's definitely referring to OMax as part of the 6.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
His whole answer to that question sounded a lot worse on the video than it read. Little inappropriate to snap at Steele for asking it as well. The media here is pretty easy on them.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2025, 10:19:59 PMWhat's cringe worthy bad?
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 10:19:18 PMWhy is that cringe worthy bad?
Put yourself in his shoes- you now realize that your system, as designed, isn't fool proof if the upperclassmen don't carry their weight.
However, you've got two very usable 3 year possible starting freshmen guards. You've got some good recruits coming in. You don't want guys like parham, or even Damarius, to jump ship before they can develop into usable.
Even if you plan on shifting course and portalling you stay the same course in the message to retain the youth, and keep the useful upperclassmen. If you feel like you need to, which I think you do, you move on from a few guys and bring in 1-2 talented players in the portal as a stop gap, and let the talent shake itself out.
There are 25 games left, have faith in coach's ability to figure it out if this year is lost, and it's not yet
I find it cringe worthy because I genuinely want Shaka to be the guy long term and I don't know that he'll get the time necessary to survive bad years. People have the expectation of winning around here, and rightfully so. This program has so much that others don't. It should be a winner.
When we were rolling it was so much fun and I'm not sure why he is limiting himself so much with his roster construction. The growth mindset still works with transfers. You can still have great relationships with transfers. It's ok that he's not winning right now, that happens, but he's just capping his potential so much. I really think he has what it takes to dominate both the high school recruiting and the portal. He has that ability.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 11:20:30 PMI find it cringe worthy because I genuinely want Shaka to be the guy long term and I don't know that he'll get the time necessary to survive bad years. People have the expectation of winning around here, and rightfully so. This program has so much that others don't. It should be a winner.
When we were rolling it was so much fun and I'm not sure why he is limiting himself so much with his roster construction. The growth mindset still works with transfers. You can still have great relationships with transfers. It's ok that he's not winning right now, that happens, but he's just capping his potential so much. I really think he has what it takes to dominate both the high school recruiting and the portal. He has that ability.
Sure, but you have no idea what ability he has financially in the high school level or in the portal
It's obvious he's formed a system of retention- stick around and be a stud and gets huge pay day.
I've asked before what happens when the upperclassmen don't earn that pay? Ben is a good example- he's fine, but not worth the 1M$ salary Tyler and Kam got. It's more
Drastic with Zaide and Tre next year, for example.... All things that Shaka now has to navigate thru.
His system of retention and then get paid big is smart, but has veered and will be tested
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 11:28:33 PMSure, but you have no idea what ability he has financially in the high school level or in the portal
It's obvious he's formed a system of retention- stick around and be a stud and gets huge pay day.
I've asked before what happens when the upperclassmen don't earn that pay? Ben is a good example- he's fine, but not worth the 1M$ salary Tyler and Kam got. It's more
Drastic with Zaide and Tre next year, for example.... All things that Shaka now has to navigate thru.
His system of retention and then get paid big is smart, but has veered and will be tested
You are correct, I have no idea on the $$$. But from everything I've seen and heard we are near the top of the Big East in that capability. We should be able to build rosters with high end high school and portal talent when necessary and I would think after this season it would be necessary!
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:31:09 PMBut the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
Agree. If you purchased RGV shirt can you get a refund and No I do not want an RGL shirt.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 19, 2025, 10:38:06 PMYeah, well, we need way more than three minute stretches of solid play from Gold. 6 points, 2/7 from the field, 4 turnovers, and not one trip to the line in 35 minutes is not enough from a senior on a young team like this. He's way too inconsistent.
also passing the ball up with .5 on the clock is wild.
If Marquette doesn't win every game after this I'm going to self harm
I notice that freshman are being freshman. I hope they help me cut myself
Quote from: Shaka Shart on November 20, 2025, 12:58:17 AMIf Marquette doesn't win every game after this I'm going to self harm
Quote from: Shaka Shart on November 20, 2025, 12:59:03 AMI notice that freshman are being freshman. I hope they help me cut myself
With that attitude, how am I supposed to feel bad for myself?
And, I still remember your first post here. So valuable:
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 26, 2010, 11:46:06 AMAny PC will slow down due to the massive amount of files downloaded and crap people put on there. Both PCs and Macs have their pros and cons for different things, but unfortunately taking 5 minutes to run antivirus software and a simply speed check program that is free to download will take care of most of your issues on a PC. As far as Macs go, great battery life but I am unwilling to pay 2000 dollars for a macbook pro when I can buy a 600 dollar toshiba with about the same performance when you factor in all of the features that Mac is not capable of.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:46:22 PMThe entire quote:
"We've had a lot of success around here. The way we've gone about things is not new. What is a little bit different right now is, we've had in the past couple years, six guys exit our program, that before you even talk about them as basketball players, who they were in terms of teammates and leaders and culture builders, we're responding to that. We're having to react and grow from that."
Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding RGV, but I've been told a big part of it is building a sustainable culture of success. If that's true, then the culture and success should be able to withstand players using up their eligibility. Why, six games into a season, are they having to react and grow from players departing? The whole point of the model, I thought, was for that growth and development to come over multiple years in the program.
Edit: To be clear, like most of us, I expected a bit of a step back this year with the roster losses of the past two years. But I definitely wasn't expecting the floor to drop out as it has. I imagine Shaka didn't either, but that's his job, not mine.
And does he think RGV happens organically? Was he monitoring last year for what the next crop was going to be? That they were capable of being leaders both as teammates and as players?
Surely there were warning signs that this wasn't it, and that is the opportunity to augment with outside talent.
As we have no shooters I hope Nash Walker is as advertised.
We seem to have fundamental flaws on both ends.
Offensively, we prioritize threes, but haven't developed shooters. We're taking over 43% of our shots from deep but hitting just 31.2%. in 2022-24, the shooting came around in conference play, but last year it didn't and it's hard to see where it improves this year.
Beyond that, the ball movement and maybe more important off ball movement isn't enough to create looks. At the rim, we're making just 58.4% of our shots. That's 166th nationally. Where's the big man pick & roll, the back door cuts, the other actions that made this offense successful? L'Etang took away so much at the rim and we kept driving, hoping the next wild shot would find its way over and in.
Defensively, Dayton was a poor shooting team but we left them wide open, rarely fighting over screens effectively. What use is a weekly Jrue Holiday award if no one will go over a screen? We're not forcing teams deep into the shot clock.
And for the love of god, challenge shots! We've played three non-cupcake opponents. Our eFG% allowed is 60.6% (IU), 60.0% (MD), and 60.2% (Dayton). Giving up 60+ eFG every time you play an opponent with a pulse is a recipe for disaster.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on November 20, 2025, 12:59:03 AMI notice that freshman are being freshman. I hope they help me cut myself
Speller are being speller, man.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 20, 2025, 06:54:42 AMWe seem to have fundamental flaws on both ends.
Offensively, we prioritize threes, but haven't developed shooters. We're taking over 43% of our shots from deep but hitting just 31.2%. in 2022-24, the shooting came around in conference play, but last year it didn't and it's hard to see where it improves this year.
Beyond that, the ball movement and maybe more important off ball movement isn't enough to create looks. At the rim, we're making just 58.4% of our shots. That's 166th nationally. Where's the big man pick & roll, the back door cuts, the other actions that made this offense successful? L'Etang took away so much at the rim and we kept driving, hoping the next wild shot would find its way over and in.
Defensively, Dayton was a poor shooting team but we left them wide open, rarely fighting over screens effectively. What use is a weekly Jrue Holiday award if no one will go over a screen? We're not forcing teams deep into the shot clock.
And for the love of god, challenge shots! We've played three non-cupcake opponents. Our eFG% allowed is 60.6% (IU), 60.0% (MD), and 60.2% (Dayton). Giving up 60+ eFG every time you play an opponent with a pulse is a recipe for disaster.
The passes don't come quick enough. The offense is this: drive until you're stuck, then jump pass or plant, spin, and pass. There is no secondary cutting or motion. Four Marquette guys standing around waiting for the outlet pass. Every defender sees it coming. Help defense down low and let Marquette shoot threes all day because they can't make them.
It's very basic to defend against Marquette right now because the offense is about as dynamic as the three man weave.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:28:47 PM9) You know it's gotten bad when you're begging for a freshman in overtime. Ben gets hurt, best play is to go small with Parham at the 5 and Adrien in a small lineup. That's on the staff, and the lack of growth/improvement in the offseason.
This is what I was hoping for. Caedin just isn't a top level post player. He has developed some decent moves on offense, but defensively...oy. Maybe a 10 minute change of pace guy at best.
BTW, putting in a zone was a smart coaching move, but it also is exactly opposite from how Shaka likes to defend. He has no choice though because the rotations right now are terrible.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 19, 2025, 09:47:14 PM5 & 6 are true for sure.
Ben tweaking his ankle at end of regulation probably led to Hamilto being out there in OT.
Agree 13 would have been the better call.
The saddest thing, to me, is that despite this display of ineptitude by multiple people Owens couldn't get a sniff. I was really optimistic that with him healthy we'd see a player.
thought the same re: Owens. 3 mins of PT. Curious what he's not doing in practice that Shaka needs to see change/improve to get more run time
Quote from: Viper on November 20, 2025, 07:59:50 AMthought the same re: Owens. 3 mins of PT. Curious what he's not doing in practice that Shaka needs to see change/improve to get more run time
Defensively he's pretty bad.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 20, 2025, 08:07:10 AMDefensively he's pretty bad.
He's also extremely careless with the ball. He also tries to force points every time he gets the ball.
After having time to digest, other than the freshman, this team for the most part are players who have been role players or subs for the last 3 years. They seem to still have the same mentality and are waiting for Kam or Tyler or Oso or Jop or Stevie to bail them out of a play.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 20, 2025, 10:00:22 AMAfter having time to digest, other than the freshman, this team for the most part are players who have been role players or subs for the last 3 years. They seem to still have the same mentality and are waiting for Kam or Tyler or Oso or Jop or Stevie to bail them out of a play.
Jop was at the game last night and I was desperately hoping they'd find a way to get him in.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on November 20, 2025, 10:00:22 AMAfter having time to digest, other than the freshman, this team for the most part are players who have been role players or subs for the last 3 years. They seem to still have the same mentality and are waiting for Kam or Tyler or Oso or Jop or Stevie to bail them out of a play.
Yep, Nigel seems to be the only one who could be an alpha, but he is just getting his feet wet as a frosh.
Nightmares returned from watching the Knegele Knight game.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 11:20:30 PMI find it cringe worthy because I genuinely want Shaka to be the guy long term and I don't know that he'll get the time necessary to survive bad years. People have the expectation of winning around here, and rightfully so. This program has so much that others don't. It should be a winner.
When we were rolling it was so much fun and I'm not sure why he is limiting himself so much with his roster construction. The growth mindset still works with transfers. You can still have great relationships with transfers. It's ok that he's not winning right now, that happens, but he's just capping his potential so much. I really think he has what it takes to dominate both the high school recruiting and the portal. He has that ability.
Sure. Shaka has not won here and Marquette prior to Shaka is immune to down years. Let's move on. Unfortunate situation as Shaka is likeable, but his results here aren't good enough for this fanbase.
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Winning should be expected here. Shaka has done a lot of that here. He clearly didn't do a good enough job of putting together the roster, and the team is not coached well enough this year. If this fanbase wants to move on from him because of this year then we'll I'm not sure where we turn for our next coach. We aren't Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc. Any decent coach is going to look at Marquette and be like, "Shaka took a program that hadn't won a Tourney game in a decade, won a BE regular season and Tournament title, went to 4 straight Tournaments, had the program's 2 best seeds ever, and with one bad year the fanbase wants him gone? Yeah, I'll stay where I am, thank you."
All of this said, not sure what any of that has to do with his answers being "cringe worthy."
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 20, 2025, 10:05:04 AMJop was at the game last night and I was desperately hoping they'd find a way to get him in.
With college rules these days, might as well have just put him in. Anybody can play.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 20, 2025, 10:31:24 AMSure. Shaka has not won here and Marquette prior to Shaka is immune to down years. Let's move on. Unfortunate situation as Shaka is likeable, but his results here aren't good enough for this fanbase.
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Winning should be expected here. Shaka has done a lot of that here. He clearly didn't do a good enough job of putting together the roster, and the team is not coached well enough this year. If this fanbase wants to move on from him because of this year then we'll I'm not sure where we turn for our next coach. We aren't Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc. Any decent coach is going to look at Marquette and be like, "Shaka took a program that hadn't won a Tourney game in a decade, won a BE regular season and Tournament title, went to 4 straight Tournaments, had the program's 2 best seeds ever, and with one bad year the fanbase wants him gone? Yeah, I'll stay where I am, thank you."
All of this said, not sure what any of that has to do with his answers being "cringe worthy."
We are falling back towards the middle of this conference and he is doubling down on a philosophy that is outdated and clearly not working. I cringed because his comments make it seem like he has 0 room for adjustment of his plan. I'm rooting for him to be right on this, but it is hard to see that being the case.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 20, 2025, 10:42:48 AMWe are falling back towards the middle of this conference and he is doubling down on a philosophy that is outdated and clearly not working. I cringed because his comments make it seem like he has 0 room for adjustment of his plan. I'm rooting for him to be right on this, but it is hard to see that being the case.
Falling back into the middle of this conference - which is one of the weakest BE conference seasons that I can remember. Not good.
Quote from: MUbiz on November 20, 2025, 10:53:19 AMFalling back into the middle of this conference - which is one of the weakest BE conference seasons that I can remember. Not good.
Correct. If he can continue to get results like he has, it's fine. But he's not! Last year was evidence of major major wear down. Instead of help the roster fix that, he threw more unprepared guys into the fire. That's not fair to Chase and Ben, not fair for fans, it's not fair for the unprepared guys. I can't imagine how he could possibly think this is the right path after everything that has taken place.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
"cringe-worthy" is an opinion, and you're entitled to it. Seems a little hyperbolic to me (and I'm not always opposed to hyperbole).
Having said that, I watched the press conference and it was the first time I can remember being disappointed with a few of his answers. His snippy retort to Steele's perfectly good question was uncalled for, and the lead recruiter (aka the head coach) is always the one responsible for an inability to move on successfully from departed players.
Quote from: MU82 on November 20, 2025, 11:14:17 AM"cringe-worthy" is an opinion, and you're entitled to it. Seems a little hyperbolic to me (and I'm not always opposed to hyperbole).
Having said that, I watched the press conference and it was the first time I can remember being disappointed with a few of his answers. His snippy retort to Steele's perfectly good question was uncalled for, and the lead recruiter (aka the head coach) is always the one responsible for an inability to move on successfully from departed players.
Ya. That seemed totally uncalled for towards Ben Steele.
The questions are only going to get more frequent, so if he's already annoyed from hearing it, he's probably only going to get more snippy. I just hope he's not too stubborn to adjust. I truly think he could dominate the portal and recruiting trails at the same time. He's the perfect guy at a great spot to do it. He just doesn't want to it seems.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2025, 09:43:29 PMI'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
You sound like Shaka describing our team speed. So what?! Means nothing if you don't get your prey. 🦅
Quote from: MUbiz on November 20, 2025, 10:53:19 AMFalling back into the middle of this conference - which is one of the weakest BE conference seasons that I can remember. Not good.
Middle of the Conference may be a tough goal for this team.
Over the last 2 weeks, I have gone from hoping to be in the top 4 to hoping we're not in the bottom 3.
Quote from: MU82 on November 20, 2025, 11:14:17 AM"cringe-worthy" is an opinion, and you're entitled to it. Seems a little hyperbolic to me (and I'm not always opposed to hyperbole).
Having said that, I watched the press conference and it was the first time I can remember being disappointed with a few of his answers. His snippy retort to Steele's perfectly good question was uncalled for, and the lead recruiter (aka the head coach) is always the one responsible for an inability to move on successfully from departed players.
Not sure how many folks here follow college football, but the analogy that springs to mind is Dabo Swinney at Clemson. Obviously had a ton of success, but the way rosters are now constructed has changed, and Dabo has dug his heels in with diminishing success.
A lot of his press conferences are similar to the ones that just happened, where the attitude is: "How can you question my approach, when I've had so much success here in the past?"
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 20, 2025, 06:17:18 AMAs we have no shooters I hope Nash Walker is as advertised.
Or maybe Militec. Oops sorry, Shaka put him on redshirt.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 20, 2025, 04:22:45 PMOr maybe Militec. Oops sorry, Shaka put him on redshirt.
That's really not how it works, but OK.
Oh my gosh. It looks like the gap is widening, even against Dayton. Let the coffers again scoff.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 20, 2025, 04:06:10 PMNot sure how many folks here follow college football, but the analogy that springs to mind is Dabo Swinney at Clemson. Obviously had a ton of success, but the way rosters are now constructed has changed, and Dabo has dug his heels in with diminishing success.
A lot of his press conferences are similar to the ones that just happened, where the attitude is: "How can you question my approach, when I've had so much success here in the past?"
This was the first one that I thought Shaka had a "how dare you" vibe. I mean, he'd better get used to it.
I just can't get over his growth mindset comment. COLE behavior
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 20, 2025, 06:58:47 AMSpeller are being speller, man.
I appreciate you keeping this culture of accountability on Scoop JB. God bless
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 20, 2025, 07:01:22 PMI just can't get over his growth mindset comment. COLE behavior
That's because you're part of the 99% that just doesn't get it.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 20, 2025, 09:07:29 PMThat's because you're part of the 99% that just doesn't get it.
No, it was a ridiculous statement......kids dealing with adversity all over that growth mindsets....that was some preachy ass crap from Shaka
His response to Ben's question was equally pathetic
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 20, 2025, 04:06:10 PMNot sure how many folks here follow college football, but the analogy that springs to mind is Dabo Swinney at Clemson. Obviously had a ton of success, but the way rosters are now constructed has changed, and Dabo has dug his heels in with diminishing success.
A lot of his press conferences are similar to the ones that just happened, where the attitude is: "How can you question my approach, when I've had so much success here in the past?"
Yes. Only football I watch is college football. Difference with Clemson this year is they were pre-season top 3. So, people thought the roster was there.
This stuff cracks me up. MU fans when Shaka is winning: I try to listen to every Shaka interview I can. I've never met the guy, yet I feel like I learn something every time I hear Shaka speak.
MU fans when Shaka loses 3 games early: Shaka is cringy. So preachy and holier than thou. He's unnecessarily rude to people just doing their job.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 20, 2025, 09:48:03 PMThis stuff cracks me up. MU fans when Shaka is winning: I try to listen to every Shaka interview I can. I've never met the guy, yet I feel like I learn something every time I hear Shaka speak.
MU fans when Shaka loses 3 games early: Shaka is cringy. So preachy and holier than thou. He's unnecessarily rude to people just doing their job.
He was unnecessarily rude to Ben Steele.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 20, 2025, 09:07:29 PMThat's because you're part of the 99% that just doesn't get it.
Picturing a CEO talking about missing earnings but with a growth mindset.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 21, 2025, 07:29:47 AMPicturing a CEO talking about missing earnings but with a growth mindset.
Happens all the time — but that growth usually includes significant CHANGE. Don't think we have that at #muMbb
Steele laid out what the loss meant to MU and their chances of making the tournament pretty starkly in the post game article. He's definitely not a shill for Shaka and the program. So the discussion we are having on scoop is being laid out in black and white terms to the people who still read sports sections.