1) Sure feels that way, doesn't it.
2) Mistakes were made, by everyone involved, but at the end of the day it just seems like this years Marquette just doesn't have it.
3) To a man, let's stop the attacking game on the ones that have taken this program to these new heights. We've been spoiled recently, so a year like this seems extra bad.
4) Really bad Benny 1H, combined with pretty bad Chase 2H and you can't win, not this year.
5) Nigel James Jr, proud of you. Don't care about the mistakes.
6) Stop hedging out to the half court line, please.
7) I asked for zone in the game chat as half, nicely done Shaka. Also, I asked for not subbing in the last 6/7 mins and there was none, thank you.
8) On the flip side- sitting Chase at the 6 min mark in the 1H is a mistake coach wouldn't make in the past. Caedin in overtime... c'mon. I won't pin the last play of regulation on Shaka alone, but between him and Chase you've gotta do better.
9) You know it's gotten bad when you're begging for a freshman in overtime. Ben gets hurt, best play is to go small with Parham at the 5 and Adrien in a small lineup. That's on the staff, and the lack of growth/improvement in the offseason.
10) The fight was there, but there was always a feeling of "Marquette is just not good enough"
11) Don't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone. He's done enough for this program since he's been here. There is a Greek saying that goes "you've made your bed, it's time to sleep in it." Coach has work to do, just let the man do his work.
12) Believe it or not, despite the thread title the season isn't over. Brighter days ahead.
We Are Marquette
If it's not a conflicting statement to say that the team isn't good enough, but Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone, this athletic department is diseased beyond repair.
MU made a run late by switching to zone and discontinuing the press. It's somewhat of an indictment of the staff that guys who are in their second and third years at MU are so lost defensively in man that you have to go zone.
I cringe every time MU takes a 3.
If I'd have been as big and as athletic as Lowery, I'd have tried to drive it to score almost every time I touched the ball. He just doesn't have a scorer's mentality.
This will be a long year. Bottom feeders of a bad Big East. I'm not expecting it to get much better next year.
That said, I'm firmly behind Shaka. If we are in this spot two years from now,I'll question that support. But Shaka needs to re-evaluate.
The slip started last year when no one stepped up. Shaka stayed the course. If he is not going to take transfers, he needs to take a different approach to recruiting. He's made too many mistakes in recent years and it's killed the programs momentum.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:28:47 PM1) Sure feels that way, doesn't it.
2) Mistakes were made, by everyone involved, but at the end of the day it just seems like this years Marquette just doesn't have it.
3) To a man, let's stop the attacking game on the ones that have taken this program to these new heights. We've been spoiled recently, so a year like this seems extra bad.
4) Really bad Benny 1H, combined with pretty bad Chase 2H and you can't win, not this year.
5) Nigel James Jr, proud of you. Don't care about the mistakes.
6) Stop hedging out to the half court line, please.
7) I asked for zone in the game chat as half, nicely done Shaka. Also, I asked for not subbing in the last 6/7 mins and there was none, thank you.
8) On the flip side- sitting Chase at the 6 min mark in the 1H is a mistake coach wouldn't make in the past. Caedin in overtime... c'mon. I won't pin the last play of regulation on Shaka alone, but between him and Chase you've gotta do better.
9) You know it's gotten bad when you're begging for a freshman in overtime. Ben gets hurt, best play is to go small with Parham at the 5 and Adrien in a small lineup. That's on the staff, and the lack of growth/improvement in the offseason.
10) The fight was there, but there was always a feeling of "Marquette is just not good enough"
11) Don't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone. He's done enough for this program since he's been here. There is a Greek saying that goes "you've made your bed, it's time to sleep in it." Coach has work to do, just let the man do his work.
12) Believe it or not, despite the thread title the season isn't over. Brighter days ahead.
We Are Marquette
I'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
Maybe others might agree, but brighter days ahead? Bring that up after the Purdue game.
Kudos to Ben Gold who played the best three minutes of his MU career from four minutes to one minute left in regulation. He hit two threes, got three rebounds and made two outstanding defensive plays. If not for him MU loses by 10 in regulation. The Lowery airball, James turnover and not getting shot off, all in tie game in last two minutes was terrible, along with three points in OT on one shot made.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2025, 09:43:29 PMI'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
They're a little gamey though
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2025, 09:43:29 PMI'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
Amazes me you didn't know that, weak
5 & 6 are true for sure.
Ben tweaking his ankle at end of regulation probably led to Hamilto being out there in OT.
Agree 13 would have been the better call.
The saddest thing, to me, is that despite this display of ineptitude by multiple people Owens couldn't get a sniff. I was really optimistic that with him healthy we'd see a player.
Hoo boy...I didn't think we would be good, but didn't think it would be this bad. The continuity of our roster was supposed to prevent non-competitive teams. And what exactly is worked on in practice?
Lost season aside, Shaka has earned the benefit of the doubt with what he's done the past four years. He should be given time to fix it.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 19, 2025, 09:47:14 PM5 & 6 are true for sure.
Ben tweaking his ankle at end of regulation probably led to Hamilto being out there in OT.
Agree 13 would have been the better call.
The saddest thing, to me, is that despite this display of ineptitude by multiple people Owens couldn't get a sniff. I was really optimistic that with him healthy we'd see a player.
Owens was healthy the majority of the year last year. His preseason injury was way too played up on scoop as a source of not getting into a rhythm for months and months. The hope was that he would develop with a healthy offseason but he had a healthy season last year and did nothing. At some point you are either good or you are not.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 19, 2025, 09:43:29 PMI'm watching Golden Eagles videos. Most people don't realize they can dive bomb at 200 mph and go 110 mph horizontally.
This season dove bomb at 200 mph.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:28:47 PM11) Don't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone. He's done enough for this program since he's been here. There is a Greek saying that goes "you've made your bed, it's time to sleep in it." Coach has work to do, just let the man do his work.
This is absurd. Shaka's earned a long, long leash, but maybe at least give us a Final Four before handing out lifetime passes. One conference title + one Sweet 16 = "Done Enough" is wildly COLE.
Not sure how anyone on Scoop prevents him from doing his work.
Quote12) Believe it or not, despite the thread title the season isn't over. Brighter days ahead.
We Are Marquette
Yes, there are more games to be played, so technically the season isn't over. But home losses to Dayton and depleted Maryland don't indicate brighter days are ahead. Appreciate the optimism, though.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 19, 2025, 09:46:46 PMAmazes me you didn't know that, weak
Of course I knew that! I just needed a distraction after the game. They don't have any natural predators.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 19, 2025, 09:54:15 PMThis season dove bomb at 200 mph.
It's a fair point.
:(
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:00:57 PMThis is absurd. Shaka's earned a long, long leash, but maybe at least give us a Final Four before handing out lifetime passes. One conference title + one Sweet 16 = "Done Enough" is wildly COLE.
Not sure how anyone on Scoop prevents him from doing his work.
Yes, there are more games to be played, so technically the season isn't over. But home losses to Dayton and depleted Maryland don't indicate brighter days are ahead. Appreciate the optimism, though.
No one mentioned a lifetime pass.
Is your definition of "long long leash" 6 games into a failed season?
Weak definition, my friend.
Totally inexcusable and on Shaka not getting a shot up last possession of regulation. They had 17 seconds and a full timeout to discuss how to attack. The ball barely moved. It was ridiculous and Shaka owns that.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:28:47 PMDon't ever forget, Shaka doesn't have to answer to anyone
BS
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 10:05:14 PMNo one mentioned a lifetime pass.
Is your definition of "long long leash" 6 games into a failed season?
Weak definition, my friend.
Nobody's calling for Shaka's job after six games. Quite the opposite, I wrote he has a "long, long leash." Weak straw man, my friend
If not lifetime pass, what exactly do you mean when you say Shaka answers to nobody and has done enough?
I wish I was on the ocean gate sub
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:08:46 PMNobody's calling for Shaka's job after six games. Quite the opposite, I wrote he has a "long, long leash." Weak straw man, my friend
If not lifetime pass, what exactly do you mean when you say Shaka answers to nobody and has done enough?
I mean in this season
Wish Nigel's aggressiveness and confidence would be contagious. He's a work in progress, but much to like.
Sean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
Why is that cringe worthy bad?
Put yourself in his shoes- you now realize that your system, as designed, isn't fool proof if the upperclassmen don't carry their weight.
However, you've got two very usable 3 year possible starting freshmen guards. You've got some good recruits coming in. You don't want guys like parham, or even Damarius, to jump ship before they can develop into usable.
Even if you plan on shifting course and portalling you stay the same course in the message to retain the youth, and keep the useful upperclassmen. If you feel like you need to, which I think you do, you move on from a few guys and bring in 1-2 talented players in the portal as a stop gap, and let the talent shake itself out.
There are 25 games left, have faith in coach's ability to figure it out if this year is lost, and it's not yet
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
What's cringe worthy bad?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2025, 10:19:59 PMWhat's cringe worthy bad?
A few things. I can ignore the media thing, and give him the benefit of the doubt that he's trying to play the "us against the world/nobody believes in us" thing.
But the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
What do you want him to say?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:31:09 PMA few things. I can ignore the media thing, and give him the benefit of the doubt that he's trying to play the "us against the world/nobody believes in us" thing.
But the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
I guess I might buy it being "cringe worthy bad" if the rest of the actual quote was in there. But it's cut off in the middle of the sentence here...
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:31:09 PMA few things. I can ignore the media thing, and give him the benefit of the doubt that he's trying to play the "us against the world/nobody believes in us" thing.
But the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
Did you click through to read the rest of his comment?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 19, 2025, 10:34:06 PMDid you click through to read the rest of his comment?
Why would anyone click through to that website?!?!
https://xcancel.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://xcancel.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
Quote from: nyg on November 19, 2025, 09:45:02 PMMaybe others might agree, but brighter days ahead? Bring that up after the Purdue game.
Kudos to Ben Gold who played the best three minutes of his MU career from four minutes to one minute left in regulation. He hit two threes, got three rebounds and made two outstanding defensive plays. If not for him MU loses by 10 in regulation. The Lowery airball, James turnover and not getting shot off, all in tie game in last two minutes was terrible, along with three points in OT on one shot made.
Yeah, well, we need way more than three minute stretches of solid play from Gold. 6 points, 2/7 from the field, 4 turnovers, and not one trip to the line in 35 minutes is not enough from a senior on a young team like this. He's way too inconsistent.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2025, 10:33:43 PMI guess I might buy it being "cringe worthy bad" if the rest of the actual quote was in there. But it's cut off in the middle of the sentence here...
The entire quote:
"We've had a lot of success around here. The way we've gone about things is not new. What is a little bit different right now is, we've had in the past couple years, six guys exit our program, that before you even talk about them as basketball players, who they were in terms of teammates and leaders and culture builders, we're responding to that. We're having to react and grow from that."
Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding RGV, but I've been told a big part of it is building a sustainable culture of success. If that's true, then the culture and success should be able to withstand players using up their eligibility. Why, six games into a season, are they having to react and grow from players departing? The whole point of the model, I thought, was for that growth and development to come over multiple years in the program.
Edit: To be clear, like most of us, I expected a bit of a step back this year with the roster losses of the past two years. But I definitely wasn't expecting the floor to drop out as it has. I imagine Shaka didn't either, but that's his job, not mine.
When you go all in on your model against conventional wisdom, you get the praise when it works and the scorn when it doesn't. Shaka's going to have to get used to this because this team just doesn't have the talent to compete at the level we're accustomed to so the questions will keep coming. Like just about everyone, I wish he wouldn't have painted himself into the corner with the portal. No one forced him there, he willingly went even though we were short a guy or two even with all-Americans the last couple years. And then he doubled down with the RGV bullshit.
Either you adapt or you die.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 19, 2025, 10:38:06 PMYeah, well, we need way more than three minute stretches of solid play from Gold. 6 points, 2/7 from the field, 4 turnovers, and not one trip to the line in 35 minutes is not enough from a senior on a young team like this. He's way too inconsistent.
Yep. I'm still a fan of Ben but up until that point he looked tentative at best. Has to be aggressive every minute he is in. Still too passive. Has to act like this is his and chase's team. Too often he doesn't even look to shoot and if he does he hesitates.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:46:22 PMwe've had in the past couple years, six guys exit our program
1) He counts Amadou, hah
2) He had plenty of warning on Oso and Tyler
3) Pretty good likelihood he knew about Jones, Mitchell, and Joplin too
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 19, 2025, 10:52:30 PM1) He counts Amadou, hah
2) He had plenty of warning on Oso and Tyler
3) Pretty good likelihood he knew about Jones, Mitchell, and Joplin too
Even though he said a "couple" he's definitely referring to OMax as part of the 6.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 10:13:49 PMSean is out a few more weeks. Our schedule is only getting tougher but the play on the court seems to be getting worse. Shaka's answers in the Postgame were pretty cringe worthy bad.
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991357146999714246?t=n0CMRYTrBwkNARU-L1k9fg&s=19
https://x.com/MatthewBaltzMU/status/1991354379262390575?t=2X1s1l_S3wxj-B57m88ZFw&s=19
His whole answer to that question sounded a lot worse on the video than it read. Little inappropriate to snap at Steele for asking it as well. The media here is pretty easy on them.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2025, 10:19:59 PMWhat's cringe worthy bad?
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 10:19:18 PMWhy is that cringe worthy bad?
Put yourself in his shoes- you now realize that your system, as designed, isn't fool proof if the upperclassmen don't carry their weight.
However, you've got two very usable 3 year possible starting freshmen guards. You've got some good recruits coming in. You don't want guys like parham, or even Damarius, to jump ship before they can develop into usable.
Even if you plan on shifting course and portalling you stay the same course in the message to retain the youth, and keep the useful upperclassmen. If you feel like you need to, which I think you do, you move on from a few guys and bring in 1-2 talented players in the portal as a stop gap, and let the talent shake itself out.
There are 25 games left, have faith in coach's ability to figure it out if this year is lost, and it's not yet
I find it cringe worthy because I genuinely want Shaka to be the guy long term and I don't know that he'll get the time necessary to survive bad years. People have the expectation of winning around here, and rightfully so. This program has so much that others don't. It should be a winner.
When we were rolling it was so much fun and I'm not sure why he is limiting himself so much with his roster construction. The growth mindset still works with transfers. You can still have great relationships with transfers. It's ok that he's not winning right now, that happens, but he's just capping his potential so much. I really think he has what it takes to dominate both the high school recruiting and the portal. He has that ability.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 19, 2025, 11:20:30 PMI find it cringe worthy because I genuinely want Shaka to be the guy long term and I don't know that he'll get the time necessary to survive bad years. People have the expectation of winning around here, and rightfully so. This program has so much that others don't. It should be a winner.
When we were rolling it was so much fun and I'm not sure why he is limiting himself so much with his roster construction. The growth mindset still works with transfers. You can still have great relationships with transfers. It's ok that he's not winning right now, that happens, but he's just capping his potential so much. I really think he has what it takes to dominate both the high school recruiting and the portal. He has that ability.
Sure, but you have no idea what ability he has financially in the high school level or in the portal
It's obvious he's formed a system of retention- stick around and be a stud and gets huge pay day.
I've asked before what happens when the upperclassmen don't earn that pay? Ben is a good example- he's fine, but not worth the 1M$ salary Tyler and Kam got. It's more
Drastic with Zaide and Tre next year, for example.... All things that Shaka now has to navigate thru.
His system of retention and then get paid big is smart, but has veered and will be tested
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 11:28:33 PMSure, but you have no idea what ability he has financially in the high school level or in the portal
It's obvious he's formed a system of retention- stick around and be a stud and gets huge pay day.
I've asked before what happens when the upperclassmen don't earn that pay? Ben is a good example- he's fine, but not worth the 1M$ salary Tyler and Kam got. It's more
Drastic with Zaide and Tre next year, for example.... All things that Shaka now has to navigate thru.
His system of retention and then get paid big is smart, but has veered and will be tested
You are correct, I have no idea on the $$$. But from everything I've seen and heard we are near the top of the Big East in that capability. We should be able to build rosters with high end high school and portal talent when necessary and I would think after this season it would be necessary!
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 10:31:09 PMBut the whole point of his RGV philosophy is supposedly that it builds a sustainable culture of success that carries on from one group of players to the next. That when you lose one set of leaders, the next set - having learned from the previous group - fills in seamlessly.
And now at the first sign of trouble, he blames his team's struggles on the loss of players who've moved on. Seems like he's using as a crutch the exact thing his strategy is supposed to prevent.
Agree. If you purchased RGV shirt can you get a refund and No I do not want an RGL shirt.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 19, 2025, 10:38:06 PMYeah, well, we need way more than three minute stretches of solid play from Gold. 6 points, 2/7 from the field, 4 turnovers, and not one trip to the line in 35 minutes is not enough from a senior on a young team like this. He's way too inconsistent.
also passing the ball up with .5 on the clock is wild.