All you can hope for is improvement from the young guys this year.
It's not going to be a successful season in the W/L category.
Get Nigel and Stevens a bunch of minutes.
They'll improve. Just frustrating how they arent really at a good starting point. Chemistry is way off. Offense is...stagnant.
Right now it is a group of individuals in a pickup game. Hopefully there is some flow to be found on that end of the floor.
So maybe a new team slogan of RGV(NY)? Relationships, Growth, Victory (Next Year)
Shaka needs to answer some tough questions and face some heat. Wtf is this roster? The least amount of talent since Deane. None of the sophomores or juniors improved. Season is basically over in November barring a miracle
We took them to overtime.
Well, at least we can hang our hats on Relationships...
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 19, 2025, 09:01:22 PMThey'll improve. Just frustrating how they arent really at a good starting point. Chemistry is way off. Offense is...stagnant.
Right now it is a group of individuals in a pickup game. Hopefully there is some flow to be found on that end of the floor.
Ya. I meant from a fan perspective.
This season should be considered a "success" based on improvement not on wins
We lost to a mid major team at home.
the athletic director needs to have a discussion with Shaka.
First and foremost, ask him and his offensive coordinator, Nevada Smith to get on the same page.
Don't recruit a bunch of guys who can't hit threes to shoot threes, especially when said guys get within five feet of the hoop are instructed to pass.
My goodness.
Just play the young guys at this point. They need to clean some serious house with several older players.
I really wonder what they do in practice. It can't be anything worthwhile because this team has no idea what to do on either end of the court.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 19, 2025, 08:57:04 PMAll you can hope for is improvement from the young guys this year.
They can improve all they want but our horrible offensive AND defensive strategies will not let victories happen. I know they're the same as years past but the personnel is different and changes are needed to be made.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 19, 2025, 09:01:22 PMThey'll improve. Just frustrating how they arent really at a good starting point. Chemistry is way off. Offense is...stagnant.
Right now it is a group of individuals in a pickup game. Hopefully there is some flow to be found on that end of the floor.
The good news is they'll improve. The bad news is so will everyone else.
Isn't a supposed major advantage of RGV continuity and cohesiveness?
I'm very pro-Shaka and his approach but there was really nothing positive to take away from that game. Not from the coaching and not from the players.
Total ineptitude.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 19, 2025, 09:06:12 PMWell, at least we can hang our hats on Relationships...
And DEFLECTIONS!! lots and lots of them tonight.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on November 19, 2025, 09:06:37 PMDon't recruit a bunch of guys who can't hit threes to shoot threes, especially when said guys get within five feet of the basketball.
Failing to get a shot off with 17 seconds was astonishing.
This roster makeup is just inherently flawed. Need a big who you can run offense through at high post to settle down possessions. Caden ain't it. Thought Royce maybe could be that guy, but he has not developed into that role yet. Also need shooters to spread floor. We don't have any pure shooters and makes our offense look bunched together and out of control.
At ke
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on November 19, 2025, 09:06:37 PMWe lost to a mid major team at home.
the athletic director needs to have a discussion with Shaka.
First and foremost, ask him and his offensive coordinator, Nevada Smith to get on the same page.
Don't recruit a bunch of guys who can't hit threes to shoot threes, especially when said guys get within five feet of the basketball.
My goodness.
At least we aren't Maryland who went to OT at home against Mount Saint Mary's.
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on November 19, 2025, 09:11:29 PMThis roster makeup is just inherently flawed. Need a big who you can run offense through at high post to settle down possessions. Caden ain't it. Thought Royce maybe could be that guy, but he has not developed into that role yet. Also need shooters to spread floor. We don't have any pure shooters and makes our offense look bunched together and out of control.
All great points spencer Pratt
If there was a successful ball screen thrown tonight by Marquette, I missed it.
This was an offensive strategy that seemed demonstrable in not having a strategy. A little bit of hero ball with more misses then I could count. And the turnovers .. sheesh!
And Rocky's right -- its inexcusable that they could not get a shot off in the last 17 seconds. I would have felt better if SOMEONE shot and missed than what happened.
There's a lot of work that needs to be done.
Chase and Ben were both bad.
Not sure I recall Chase getting beat off the dribble as he has consistently this season.
Quote from: warriors141 on November 19, 2025, 09:04:59 PMShaka needs to answer some tough questions and face some heat. Wtf is this roster? The least amount of talent since Deane. None of the sophomores or juniors improved. Season is basically over in November barring a miracle
Nah, he doesn't have to answer to anyone.
He's done enough at Marquette in a short period of time.
The only person he has to answer to is himself, which is the hardest person to please when you're a guy like Shaka.
Everyone makes mistakes, and he has to work hard to correct his
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on November 19, 2025, 09:06:37 PMWe lost to a mid major team at home.
the athletic director needs to have a discussion with Shaka.
First and foremost, ask him and his offensive coordinator, Nevada Smith to get on the same page.
Don't recruit a bunch of guys who can't hit threes to shoot threes, especially when said guys get within five feet of the hoop.
My goodness.
don't recruit a bunch of guys that shouldn't be in high D-1.
Again, none of you saw this coming? Was easy to see that the talent leaving was far superior to the talent coming in. Shaka's inability to adapt to the modern landscape of college basketball is a disaster.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 19, 2025, 09:08:26 PMI'm very pro-Shaka and his approach but there was really nothing positive to take away from that game. Not from the coaching and not from the players.
Total ineptitude.
Mostly agree...except Nigel James showed up big time. Chase faded as the game went on. Zaide seemed like he wasn't locked in.
Shaka has never had a team of his be outside the Top 50 in Ken Pom D - it's astounding how much this team is struggling defensively.
Quote from: Farley36 on November 19, 2025, 09:15:07 PMAgain, none of you saw this coming? Was easy to see that the talent leaving was far superior to the talent coming in. Shaka's inability to adapt to the modern landscape of college basketball is a disaster.
Really odd from a coach whose biggest success here (Kolek) was a transfer. I get not wanting to do a line change every year, but taking 1 or 2 strategic transfers per season feels like it can still fit his culture (considering it's already been done).
This team plays wayyyyy too fast for their skill level. It worked with Kolek or kam running the show, but this team does not protect the ball like past teams. Self inflicted punishment playing at the pace they're currently operating at.
A team that can't shoot 3s
A team that has no post game
A team that plays poor defense
Is not a team that is set for success.
We could see this coming last year, but hoped player development would occur. It has not. It's a lost year, likely two.
Shaka needs to re-evaluate.
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Total ineptitude.
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And if he doesn't want to do transfers, then he can't do this. Freaking Dayton?
Quote from: Farley36 on November 19, 2025, 09:15:07 PMAgain, none of you saw this coming? Was easy to see that the talent leaving was far superior to the talent coming in. Shaka's inability to adapt to the modern landscape of college basketball is a disaster.
A lot of people did.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on November 19, 2025, 09:18:30 PMQuote from: Vander Blue Man Group link=msg=1769920 date=1763608106
Total ineptitude.
And if he doesn't want to do transfers, then he can't do this. Freaking Dayton?
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Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 19, 2025, 09:16:23 PMMostly agree...except Nigel James showed up big time. Chase faded as the game went on. Zaide seemed like he wasn't locked in.
Shaka has never had a team of his be outside the Top 50 in Ken Pom D - it's astounding how much this team is struggling defensively.
Nigel had some really nice moments but I can't say he played well. He's a freshman and there's a lot on his shoulders so his struggles didn't bother me.
To his credit, he's aggressive and doesn't play scared. He's going to be a really good one.
Haven't seen this level of incompetence since 87-88. Worse than the fact they are physically limited I think the mental limitations are even worse. Bad combination. Will be lucky to be even close to .500 in the Big East.
It's the type of team that casual MU fans will stop watching and going to games.
My wife had a comment that made me chuckle tonight. She said "We're bad at 3's, ... and
2's, and 1's.
Quote from: panda on November 19, 2025, 09:18:07 PMThis team plays wayyyyy too fast for their skill level. It worked with Kolek or kam running the show, but this team does not protect the ball like past teams. Self inflicted punishment playing at the pace they're currently operating at.
Agree with this analysis.
Bluntly, there is very little high level talent on the roster.
There is no interior post presence. There are no outside shooters. There is no experienced guard play to facilitate and/or protect the ball. There is no defense.
If next year's team is to once again compete for an NCAAT appearance, half of the projected returning roster needs to be replaced. There's several players that would be best served going down a level or two.
This is going to be a long year, reminiscent of 2014-15.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 19, 2025, 09:08:13 PMThe good news is they'll improve. The bad news is so will everyone else.
Isn't a supposed major advantage of RGV continuity and cohesiveness?
RGV, culture, EGG, EKG, KGB, PSA, whatever.....too many mottos. I just would like to see players who can make a basket for Shaka's live or die by three, not see them potentialy grow, maybe develop.
"Sit back and watch growth and development", "patience, tournament team"
Heck others have said Shaka is "God"
This is Shaka's team, his recruits and roster construction. His culture talk has been consistent, he even mentioned it in press conference after Maryland loss. Maybe he is just afraid to hurt players feelings if they do not meet expectations. It's early in season but almost every game has been difficult. Oklahoma at neutral site, at Wisconsin and at Purdue, it could move from difficult to watch to unbearable. I really hope not, but too many issues to correct.
Get clobbered by Indiana, lose at home to a depleted Maryland team and then Dayton at home, who had 25 turnovers and still won. Shaka has his hands full.
Another predictable result. How long will it take for this coach to see his mistakes? Does it take years? Possibly.
Quote from: Class71 on November 19, 2025, 09:34:05 PMAnother predictable result. How long will it take for this coach to see his mistakes? Does it take years? Possibly.
Well, he did only play 9 today. If Owens hadn't gotten 3 minutes, it would be 8.
I do think this team can finish 11th in the Big East. Anything over 9th place would be huge success. The team just sucks. I wouldn't spend a nickel on anyone but James. The rest can go to the Patriot/Horizon league.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 19, 2025, 09:22:10 PMHaven't seen this level of incompetence since 87-88. Worse than the fact they are physically limited I think the mental limitations are even worse. Bad combination. Will be lucky to be even close to .500 in the Big East.
It's the type of team that casual MU fans will stop watching and going to games.
Already canceled the plans for next Friday.
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on November 19, 2025, 09:11:29 PMThis roster makeup is just inherently flawed. Need a big who you can run offense through at high post to settle down possessions. Caden ain't it. Thought Royce maybe could be that guy, but he has not developed into that role yet. Also need shooters to spread floor. We don't have any pure shooters and makes our offense look bunched together and out of control.
Yep. Watched the Arizona-UCONN game. They are light years better than Marquette. We have not even played a really
good team yet. This is setting up to be a bad year.
Quote from: panda on November 19, 2025, 09:18:07 PMThis team plays wayyyyy too fast for their skill level. It worked with Kolek or kam running the show, but this team does not protect the ball like past teams. Self inflicted punishment playing at the pace they're currently operating at.
And this is how Shaka wants them to play. They're playing how they're being coached. And it's painfully obvious they can't do it.