Purdue and Wisconsin will be ugly unless we find a way to defend for starters.
Parham can't be a non-factor moving forward.
We're getting zero from Owens/Tre and our 5's.
The missed chippies are more than one bad game. Poor balance and we rarely play off of two feet.
The inability of our bigs to switch is killing us.
Shaka had a bad day imo this afternoon. Didn't get the rotation at the 14 min mark.
Lastly, I have at least another 25 or so concerns.
I hope I'm wrong.
We just aren't that good. Hopefully we will improve. But when your seniors don't play well down the stretch, getting old doesn't matter much.
I just remembered I forgot to schedule something for 12/6 that will keep me far away from my TV and phone for the afternoon
We hebben een serieus probleem.
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 03:28:45 PMWe just aren't that good. Hopefully we will improve. But when your seniors don't play well down the stretch, getting old doesn't matter much.
We're not good fundamentally from what I've seen, and our bigs have a myriad of issues.
You cannot lecture people about how you're doing things the right way, when you're the only one doing it this way, and then put this out there.
At some point, you're just telling us to not believe our eyes and ears. It becomes insulting.
Instead of "Stud of the Game" tally on the site, we may need an "Embarrassing Loss" counter.
Dabo and Shaka are Exhibit A in the NIL era of why to not avoid the portal. It is arrogant and idealistic.
To compete at the highest levels, you need proven talent, period. Wish it wasn't the case, but it is the truth.
Marquette Basketball is operating in fantasy world. And we are living in it.
"may be in serious trouble"? More like "are in serious trouble".
Thankfully most of the Big East teams look like total crap too so we'll be able to hide how bad this season is in the middle of the pack.
Quote from: dpucane on Today at 03:32:54 PMYou cannot lecture people about how you're doing things the right way, when you're the only one doing it this way, and then put this out there.
At some point, you're just telling us to not believe our eyes and ears. It becomes insulting.
Who has lectured people? When has anyone claimed that they're doing it the right way?
I think we do these young men a disservice to suggest that they won't be replaced if they suck at their job.
You left out Dayton and Oklahoma. MU beat three cupcakes and has been beat by two portal laden teams. Maryland had three players not starting and lost their best player to an injury with twelve minutes to go. MU gave up 89 points to them and 100 to Indiana. Oklahoma at neutral site, Wisconsin and Purdue away. Should be interesting to say the least.
MU lost game at 13 minute mark, when for the next 4 minutes, outscored by 15, with MU jacking up threes and missing. Took 39 today. Too many for a team that supposedly has no real shooters, but that's a Shaka philosophy and he has no problem with it. Not a good look for MU losing at home to an injury plagued Maryland squad.
I don't even want think what will happen if Ross gets in any type of foul trouble early and has to sit.
Shaka needs to recruit over Sean and Tre for next season. We need a much higher level of guard play to go alongside Nigel and Stevens.
I'm hoping this is the low point of the Shaka era, at least for awhile. Tough to have your tournament hopes dashed in November.
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 03:36:38 PMWho has lectured people? When has anyone claimed that they're doing it the right way?
There's a reason every pre-game and halftime show talks about Marquette's no transfer philosophy. That's being pushed by the school.
Kimo also directly contrasted MU and St John's teambuilding last week, saying we were lucky to have this strategy because it builds relationships instead of needing a new rosters every year.
Shaka's philosophy isn't 3 pt shots, it is 2 in the paint or open 3's
Maryland isn't good.
Absolute fail by Shaka and staff. If you don't want to get transfers, fine. But you need to recruit better. Collectively, you need a better junior and sophomore class. That's squarely on him.
This team sucks, you could see it coming from a mile away way. In order for shakas approach to work he need to hit a high percent of recruits. Ross is decent but not a star, lead guy. The junior and sophomore classes are total busts. Freshman look alright but they ain't James and McNeal
Ben gold is our second best player... this is not good
I don't really understand why we cannot use the portal n occasion. We are continuously recruiting players hopefully better than the ones we have already. That is a form of recruiting over. If we recruit a better point than the ones we have already are we committed to playing the lesser player? So, I don't see why it is not ok to use the portal when needed.
The recruit, develop and keep is a great way of doing thing . . . But you can also use the portal within that same system.
Quote from: dpucane on Today at 03:42:08 PMThere's a reason every pre-game and halftime show talks about Marquette's no transfer philosophy. That's being pushed by the school.
Kimo also directly contrasted MU and St John's teambuilding last week, saying we were lucky to have this strategy because it builds relationships instead of needing a new rosters every year.
It doesn't take long to build team chemistry. Amount of time played together is also a much smaller factor than just simply having talented and unselfish players. If anything, I think complacency sets in when a unit is together too long. You see that sometimes in the real world workplace as well. New faces that challenge the status quo is sometimes not a bad thing.
So, yes, I'm pretty frustrated by the game. However, we were in control in the "third quarter" rolling pretty well, their stud goes down, we fall apart. So while we got out worked early, we came back and took control. I'm not selling the team, but I am "worried" that it will take too long to gel, we lose too many OOC games, and we are on the outside of the tourney looking in. What really makes me unhappy is that we had the game.
Maryland is not very talented but they are well coached. We are not very talented and we were not well coached.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on Today at 03:46:25 PMSo, yes, I'm pretty frustrated by the game. However, we were in control in the "third quarter" rolling pretty well, their stud goes down, we fall apart. So while we got out worked early, we came back and took control. I'm not selling the team, but I am "worried" that it will take too long to gel, we lose too many OOC games, and we are on the outside of the tourney looking in. What really makes me unhappy is that we had the game.
There cannot be 'gelling' in this approach to roster-building. There just can't. This is a .500 team.
It's not uncommon for a team to fall apart when a team's best player leaves with a gruesome injury. It's just usually the team of that player.
Quote from: dpucane on Today at 03:42:08 PMThere's a reason every pre-game and halftime show talks about Marquette's no transfer philosophy. That's being pushed by the school.
Kimo also directly contrasted MU and St John's teambuilding last week, saying we were lucky to have this strategy because it builds relationships instead of needing a new rosters every year.
LOL. The best you can do is some off hand comments by the president? Fail.
Quote from: nyg on Today at 03:38:31 PMYou left out Dayton and Oklahoma. MU beat three cupcakes and has been beat by two portal laden teams. Maryland had three players not starting and lost their best player to an injury with twelve minutes to go. MU gave up 89 points to them and 100 to Indiana. Oklahoma at neutral site, Wisconsin and Purdue away. Should be interesting to say the least.
MU lost game at 13 minute mark, when for the next 4 minutes, outscored by 15, with MU jacking up threes and missing. Took 39 today. Too many for a team that supposedly has no real shooters, but that's a Shaka philosophy and he has no problem with it. Not a good look for MU losing at home to an injury plagued Maryland squad.
I don't even want think what will happen if Ross gets in any type of foul trouble early and has to sit.
We will struggle to beat Dayton or Oklahoma as well.
Quote from: GB Warrior on Today at 03:48:56 PMThere cannot be 'gelling' in this approach to roster-building. There just can't. This is a .500 team.
right that was supposed to be the whole point
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on Today at 03:46:25 PMSo, yes, I'm pretty frustrated by the game. However, we were in control in the "third quarter" rolling pretty well, their stud goes down, we fall apart. So while we got out worked early, we came back and took control. I'm not selling the team, but I am "worried" that it will take too long to gel, we lose too many OOC games, and we are on the outside of the tourney looking in. What really makes me unhappy is that we had the game.
We started to fall apart before that. We had a couple of empty possessions prior to the injury, and Payne had already started to show his stuff as well.
If we aren't going to defend worth a damn anyway, might as well throw some shooters in there.Phillips and Miletic can't do worse. I realize Miletic is redshirting, but this
team cannot shoot consistently or defend. Tough combo.
Quote from: cheebs09 on Today at 03:41:12 PMI'm hoping this is the low point of the Shaka era, at least for awhile. Tough to have your tournament hopes dashed in November.
Let's do the limbo. How low can you go?
Assuming this is Defcon 2, what would you do moving forward? What tinkering would you consider? Ty.
I still think it's early in the season so there is a smidgen of hope.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 03:55:41 PMAssuming this is Defcon 2, what would you do moving forward? What tinkering would you consider? Ty.
I still think it's early in the season so there is a smidgen of hope.
The problem is that we have a bunch of players who can't hit shots consistently. That doesn't change. They just have to hope they can have an outlier shooting night, or out hustle some other teams, but that's not really a recipe for long term success.
Why doesn't Ben in particular ever play off of 2 feet once he punches the paint? I get he had wide open bunnies, but he misses them often because he's off balanced.
Quote from: Newsdreams on Today at 03:42:15 PMShaka's philosophy isn't 3 pt shots, it is 2 in the paint or open 3's
Oh, must have missed that. MU took 76 shots today, 40 of which were threes. 53%
Not too many NCAA teams take 53% of their shots from three. But Shaka does say, if you are open for a three, take it, he has no problem with it. Been like that for past four years.
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 03:57:49 PMThe problem is that we have a bunch of players who can't hit shots consistently. That doesn't change. They just have to hope they can have an outlier shooting night, or out hustle some other teams, but that's not really a recipe for long term success.
Ya....this is certainly a major reason for our issues.
Quote from: nyg on Today at 03:59:35 PMOh, must have missed that. MU took 76 shots today, 40 of which were threes. 53%
Not too many NCAA teams take 53% of their shots from three. But Shaka does say, if you are open for a three, take it, he has no problem with it. Been like that for past four years.
Other teams realize we can't shoot. So they pack it in. We missed A TON of wide open threes. Just like last year. I'm not sure there is a fix besides "recruit better shooters."
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 03:55:41 PMAssuming this is Defcon 2, what would you do moving forward? What tinkering would you consider? Ty.
I still think it's early in the season so there is a smidgen of hope.
Go smaller and slow the game down. "Havoc" is a joke against high major teams. We don't have the fire power or skill to play in high possession games.
Quote from: CountryRoads on Today at 04:05:01 PMGo smaller and slow the game down. "Havoc" is a joke against high major teams. We don't have the fire power or skill to play in high possession games.
Makes more sense when you consider we aspire to be SLU
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 03:36:38 PMWho has lectured people? When has anyone claimed that they're doing it the right way?
the majority sentiment is Shaka knows what he's doing.
Quote from: Viper on Today at 04:06:06 PMthe majority sentiment is Shaka knows what he's doing.
Right. But Shaka certainly isn't lecturing anyone.
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 04:02:02 PMI'm not sure there is a fix besides "recruit better shooters."
If this is the gameplan, then Nevada Smith doesn't have the cache he thinks he does.
I personally still don't find the offense to be the issue. Of course, if your philosophy is 3s and at the rim, you need guys who can hit 3s and finish at the rim. But with a Shaka team, if you score 82 and 77 against Maryland and Indiana, you need to be at least very much in it in the last minute. And we have been very much not in it.
Need to defend. In my opinion, stop the chaotic full court press. High major players are too good to play into that, and you're turning their offense into layup lines and wide open 3 kick outs on a collapsing, rotating, unsettled defense. Stop desperately hedging on screens 40 feet from the hoop. Same result as the insane press. Everyone goes into rotation, which we aren't good at, and their offense turns into what Shaka wants our offense to be, just actually making the open attempts.
Shorten the rotation. Stop recruiting guys that even UWGB hasn't heard of. Show talented bigs the NBA guys you've coached, and up the talent level.
Quote from: GB Warrior on Today at 03:48:56 PMThere cannot be 'gelling' in this approach to roster-building. There just can't. This is a .500 team.
Disagree, but I understand your point as it relates to portal vs retention. We have new players starting in new, expanded roles, and our defense is very selfish at the moment. They need to gel on defense.
Quote from: nyg on Today at 03:59:35 PMOh, must have missed that. MU took 76 shots today, 40 of which were threes. 53%
Not too many NCAA teams take 53% of their shots from three. But Shaka does say, if you are open for a three, take it, he has no problem with it. Been like that for past four years.
You think that perhaps the opponent knows we'll shoot between 25 percent and 35 percent from 3-land. If I was playing MU, I'd tell my guys, "let 'em shoot away!"
Unless what we're seeing is an aberration, it's going to be a rough year. I feel for Chase, because he's coming into his own. But, as it stands now, I don't think we're even .500 unless the defense picks up and the turnovers slow.
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 03:53:22 PMWe started to fall apart before that. We had a couple of empty possessions prior to the injury, and Payne had already started to show his stuff as well.
But, that stuff happens in a game. We were still in control even with a couple empty possessions and Payne playing like the player he is. Probably just a case of missing a ton of layups and open threes. Until we gel on D, we need to make a ton of shots, which we didn't.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 03:42:41 PMMaryland isn't good.
Agree Maryland lost at home to Georgetown by 10
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 04:02:02 PMOther teams realize we can't shoot. So they pack it in. We missed A TON of wide open threes. Just like last year. I'm not sure there is a fix besides "recruit better shooters."
And the prior years. Think back two years ago to NC State as I believe a two seed NCAA game, 4 for 31, with some pretty good shooters on MU. This is now all Shaka recruits, so he should have recruited them already. Some current players go on nice three point runs, but then the others don't. One guy goes 4 for 10, then others go 2 for 14. Not consistent enough and the offense is based upon it.
Gtown will make tg
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on Today at 04:15:17 PMAgree Maryland lost at home to Georgetown by 10
Gtown will make the ncaa tournament
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 03:25:33 PMPurdue and Wisconsin will be ugly unless we find a way to defend for starters.
Parham can't be a non-factor moving forward.
We're getting zero from Owens/Tre and our 5's.
The missed chippies are more than one bad game. Poor balance and we rarely play off of two feet.
The inability of our bigs to switch is killing us.
Shaka had a bad day imo this afternoon. Didn't get the rotation at the 14 min mark.
Lastly, I have at least another 25 or so concerns.
I hope I'm wrong.
you mention the bench, and rotation. 2fgs from the bench. That's it. Two. Factor in Hamilton and you have three guys taking not a single shot! Parnham made just 1. Rotation? It's Parnham and maybe Stevens. Owens is a head scratcher. Athletic as heck. A backslide was foreshadowed as late last season unfolded. But, not sure I see much turnaround with this roster, this season.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on Today at 04:15:17 PMAgree Maryland lost at home to Georgetown by 10
They're aren't and will lose a lot of games. Especially with Payne out.
Quote from: Viper on Today at 04:27:32 PMyou mention the bench, and rotation. 2fgs from the bench. That's it. Two. Factor in Hamilton and you have three guys taking not a single shot! Parnham made just 1. Rotation? It's Parnham and maybe Stevens. Owens is a head scratcher. Athletic as heck. A backslide was foreshadowed as late last season unfolded. But, not sure I see much turnaround with this roster, this season.
Owens has been extremely disappointing to put it mildly. And I have no idea why he played 10 mins today, and in critical stretches. I'm less concerned about the FGA's than the anemic defense.
Quote from: CountryRoads on Today at 04:05:01 PMGo smaller and slow the game down. "Havoc" is a joke against high major teams. We don't have the fire power or skill to play in high possession games.
This is totally antithetical to Shaka's philosophy. If we don't have the skill to play in a high possession game, what makes you think we would in a low possession game? It seems to me that we don't run very effective h-c sets and struggle executing in general other than Chase going solo.
Applying pressure to high quality teams just seems to result in extra fatigue for Marquette. Fools good thinking what pressure did to Little Rock works against Big Ten teams or any other decent team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 04:36:14 PMThis is totally antithetical to Shaka's philosophy. If we don't have the skill to play in a high possession game, what makes you think we would in a low possession game? It seems to me that we don't run very effective h-c sets and struggle executing in general other than Chase going solo.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 04:09:28 PMIf this is the gameplan, then Nevada Smith doesn't have the cache he thinks he does.
Someone took his hiding place?
Quote from: Viper on Today at 04:17:33 PMGtown will make tgGtown will make the ncaa tournament
Agree and hopefully Georgetown does make it. But Maryland losing by double digits to an unranked teams at home is not the best thing. That is why I agree with the poster Maryland is not very good and Marquette was favored today by 8.5 points
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 04:31:14 PMOwens has been extremely disappointing to put it mildly. And I have no idea why he played 10 mins today, and in critical stretches. I'm less concerned about the FGA's than the anemic defense.
Few days ago I went to below site just to read on 2026 draft. Read somewhere 2026 is best draft prospects in ages. I have gone to this site before and enjoyed it, they have been extremely accurate in the past.
NBA bound Ben Gold not listed in like 200 players evaluated, but please look at numbers 85 and 87. This was their updated list as of 11/8/25. I will not spoil it for you.
https://nbadraftroom.com/2026-2nd-round/
Quote from: nyg on Today at 04:51:50 PMFew days ago I went to below site just to read on 2026 draft. Read somewhere 2026 is best draft prospects in ages. I have gone to this site before and enjoyed it, they have been extremely accurate in the past.
NBA bound Ben Gold not listed in like 200 players evaluated, but please look at numbers 85 and 87. This was their updated list as of 11/8/25. I will not spoil it for you.
https://nbadraftroom.com/2026-2nd-round/
That makes the whole thing even more upsetting. We know DO has talent.
Quote from: Viper on Today at 04:17:33 PMGtown will make tgGtown will make the ncaa tournament
But will we?
Instead of practicing free throws the team needs to practice layups.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on Today at 05:08:56 PMInstead of practicing free throws the team needs to practice layups.
There are no FGs in RGV
Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 04:56:47 PMThat makes the whole thing even more upsetting. We know DO has talent.
DO's problem is primarily a lack of confidence now. Looked like he played not to make a mistake today. Thought he got hammered on his first drive to the basket today with no call which set a bad tone for him.