Take the redshirt off Pearson.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on November 15, 2025, 03:21:43 PMTake the redshirt off Pearson.
I don't need to see the Clark experiment play out.
Shaka got a reputation for developing raw bigs, but those (Sanders, Allen, Haynes, Kai Jones, Oso) were super athletic. The bigs he's recruited to MU are just the opposite. Gold is at best an OK athlete. Hamilton and Clark are plodding out there.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 15, 2025, 03:38:26 PMShaka got a reputation for developing raw bigs, but those (Sanders, Allen, Haynes, Kai Jones, Oso) were super athletic. The bigs he's recruited to MU are just the opposite. Gold is at best an OK athlete. Hamilton and Clark are plodding out there.
He hasn't proven he can recruit a big when the brand name of Texas isn't enough. Could say that for about 80% of the backcourt recruits too though
Quote from: Pakuni on November 15, 2025, 03:38:26 PMShaka got a reputation for developing raw bigs, but those (Sanders, Allen, Haynes, Kai Jones, Oso) were super athletic. The bigs he's recruited to MU are just the opposite. Gold is at best an OK athlete. Hamilton and Clark are plodding out there.
I for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
Quote from: nyg on November 15, 2025, 03:47:00 PMI for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
Culture year is such a crock of sh!t.
Quote from: nyg on November 15, 2025, 03:47:00 PMI for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
What's a culture year?
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on November 15, 2025, 03:21:43 PMTake the redshirt off Pearson.
That would look ridiculous to be at the bottom of the conference with 3 redshirts sitting out.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 15, 2025, 03:58:29 PMWhat's a culture year?
Where the player assimilates with the players, coaches, system, etc. Redshirting adds an additional year for that. Guess a bad terminology on my part, but as you know culture is at top of Shaka's priority list.
Quote from: nyg on November 15, 2025, 04:03:58 PMWhere the player assimilates with the players, coaches, system, etc. Redshirting adds an additional year for that. Guess a bad terminology on my part, but as you know culture is at top of Shaka's priority list.
Feeling an established culture but it's surely not what they had in mind
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 15, 2025, 04:00:56 PMThat would look ridiculous to be at the bottom of the conference with 3 redshirts sitting out.
Who among them would be helpful?
Quote from: The Sultan on November 15, 2025, 04:05:56 PMWho among them would be helpful?
You might have just summed up the problem with Shaka
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 15, 2025, 03:56:33 PMCulture year is such a crock of sh!t.
You're a little baby, huh.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 15, 2025, 04:09:26 PMYou're a little baby, huh.
Buddy, we're recruiting players that aren't good enough to play. By the program's own admission. Now I don't understand modern basketball finances but that generally isn't where I'm pouring my resources unless I'm more about keeping the floor high (lol) and chasing the once-in-a-blue-moon home run swing
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 15, 2025, 04:07:07 PMYou might have just summed up the problem with Shaka
Dude. Get off the ledge. We might have a down year. I'll take 1 down year out of 5. And Shaka massively overachieved Years 1,2 and 3.
Some MU fans need to relax and chill out. I for sure am not throwing in the towel on this team/season despite the slow start.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 15, 2025, 04:13:41 PMBuddy, we're recruiting players that aren't good enough to play. By the program's own admission. Now I don't understand modern basketball finances but that generally isn't where I'm pouring my resources unless I'm more about keeping the floor high (lol) and chasing the once-in-a-blue-moon home run swing
Like I said, you're a little baby.
I'm upset and as disappointed as anyone by this early showing. Shaka and staff have also earned the benefit of the doubt to fix what's wrong and adjust.
And saying to burn Sheek's redshirt as well as the others is so beyond stupid it's not even worth a discussion.
Quote from: GB Warrior on November 15, 2025, 03:24:48 PMI don't need to see the Clark experiment play out.
Or Hamilton. These are end of the bench guys.
Another year of no inside game !Let me hear again how only 3 pt shots matter! Nothing like a one dimensional offense with no knockdown shooters !
Quote from: drbob on November 15, 2025, 05:01:03 PMAnother year of no inside game !Let me hear again how only 3 pt shots matter! Nothing like a one dimensional offense with no knockdown shooters !
Missing 3 pointers is better than making mid-range shots.
Hamilton and Clark are just not ready to be major college 5's. Whether either ever gets there is questionable. This strategy of offering projects at the 5 is not paying off.
I think the biggest disappointment (to me) this season thus far is Damarius. I was looking forward to how he'd play when healthy. His athleticism is off the charts but the performance to date is discouraging.
The RGV theory depends on the G, and in Shaka's time here it has been impressive, but this year is starting to look like a bump in the road.
I'm fine with Hamilton. He'd be fine off the bench. I'm more disappointed in Owens and Parham. I was never one who thought Owens would take minutes from Lowery but I didn't think Owens would be a net negative on the floor. Parham has been better than Owens, but he's nowhere near where I thought he'd be after last year.
The best lineup is Lowery, Ross, Gold, Parham, and James. The guys playing meaningful minutes off the bench should be Stevens, Jones, and Hamilton. The remainder of the bench should be playing only mop up minutes.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 15, 2025, 05:10:44 PMHamilton and Clark are just not ready to be major college 5's. Whether either ever gets there is questionable. This strategy of offering projects at the 5 is not paying off.
I think the biggest disappointment (to me) this season thus far is Damarius. I was looking forward to how he'd play when healthy. His athleticism is off the charts but the performance to date is discouraging.
The RGV theory depends on the G, and in Shaka's time here it has been impressive, but this year is starting to look like a bump in the
road.
Offering projects at the 5 is not an issue. You just need production ahead of them and right now we don't.
With this model, the junior class is crucial and the miss on Tre hurts.
5 games in, the team hasn't gotten close to what it needs from Royce and Damarius.
Up to Shaka and staff to improve both recruiting and growth.
I think the Theo James fan club has migrated to Caedin.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 15, 2025, 05:10:44 PMThe RGV theory depends on the G, and in Shaka's time here it has been impressive, but this year is starting to look like a bump in the road.
It rolls off the tongue nicer, but the V can't come last in that equation. Winning teams are happy teams and the relationships follow very quickly. It's not a linear process where those things grow incrementally over time. The R and the G plummet rapidly without the V.
Quote from: nyg on November 15, 2025, 03:47:00 PMI for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
That's a great story and all, but at the end of the day currently Hamilton looks lost. That's all that matters at the top d1 level.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 15, 2025, 05:38:04 PMThat's a great story and all, but at the end of the day currently Hamilton looks lost. That's all that matters at the top d1 level.
On top of being lost, he's just not there athletically or skills-wise. He'd be lucky to even start for a horizon league team and MU is forced to play him. Pearson appears to be the best big man signing in Shaka's tenure so far. Really have to hope he pans out. With how poor the sophomores and juniors look overall, he really needs to hit on the new signings.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 15, 2025, 03:38:26 PMShaka got a reputation for developing raw bigs, but those (Sanders, Allen, Haynes, Kai Jones, Oso) were super athletic. The bigs he's recruited to MU are just the opposite. Gold is at best an OK athlete. Hamilton and Clark are plodding out there.
Disagree with your assessment of Gold. He works his tail off with a cast of misfit bigs. If he had an experienced center to work with his life would be easier.
We will get our ass beat down low again in the BE this season. We do not have the size nor ability to finish around the rim.
Going to be a long season.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 15, 2025, 05:38:04 PMThat's a great story and all, but at the end of the day currently Hamilton looks lost. That's all that matters at the top d1 level.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on November 15, 2025, 05:38:04 PMThat's a great story and all, but at the end of the day currently Hamilton looks lost. That's all that matters at the top d1 level.
My story was having an ending that Hamilton hatred should be placed on Shaka and his staff, not him as a player. Shaka brought him in and evaluated him. Shaka made the decision to start him. At this point, it's all MU has unless Gold moves back to the center and Parham at the PF. It's not like Hamilton isn't trying, at this point and maybe never, he does not have the required skill set for Big East caliber play.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on November 15, 2025, 03:21:43 PMTake the redshirt off Pearson.
And then we might have the record - THREE centers that aren't ready for Div. 1 college basketball.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 15, 2025, 04:17:56 PMDude. Get off the ledge. We might have a down year. I'll take 1 down year out of 5. And Shaka massively overachieved Years 1,2 and 3.
Some MU fans need to relax and chill out. I for sure am not throwing in the towel on this team/season despite the slow start.
i appreciate your optimism, but if Shaka hadn't 'overachieved' in the seasons you mention, then maybe we should be really worried?...as in...MU got lucky those years...where we are now is where we maybe should have been? I don't think year 1 was an overachieve as much as it was a team underrated going into the season, imo. Year 2 and 3...I didn't expect 2-seeds, but I felt MU was definitely a solid 5, or thereabouts. Yr 4 played out as I anticipated. Yr 5? I predicted on this site some backsliding...9-11 conf record and NIT bid, but with a little good fortune maybe a last-in ncaa type season. However, not sure anyone is on the ledge after today. Rather, the majority is more-so realistic to what we've seen. Which is...the team isn't very good, with too many recruiting misses.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 15, 2025, 04:17:56 PMDude. Get off the ledge. We might have a down year. I'll take 1 down year out of 5. And Shaka massively overachieved Years 1,2 and 3.
Some MU fans need to relax and chill out. I for sure am not throwing in the towel on this team/season despite the slow start.
Brewcity nailed it in another thread:
Last year is what a "down year" should look like for this program. Spending the money they do on a mid-major team should not fly.
Recruiting misses coupled with being an average to below average in-game coach. His rotations, and his (lack of) use of timeouts in key moments can be real head scratchers.
Maybe this is the year we flip the script and are much better in March than we were in November.
Or maybe the November success of some of the past years is the anomaly and what we've seen in post new year Shaka most years is the real deal.
This whole 'let's replace projects with projects' thing is a disaster
Ideally, MU is spending a fraction on this roster. There's 5 BE players on this roster: James, Gold, Ross, Lowery, and Stevens. I can't imagine paying any of the other players, nor would anyone else. Rebuild and restock the coffers.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on November 15, 2025, 05:16:03 PMI'm fine with Hamilton. He'd be fine off the bench. I'm more disappointed in Owens and Parham. I was never one who thought Owens would take minutes from Lowery but I didn't think Owens would be a net negative on the floor. Parham has been better than Owens, but he's nowhere near where I thought he'd be after last year.
The best lineup is Lowery, Ross, Gold, Parham, and James. The guys playing meaningful minutes off the bench should be Stevens, Jones, and Hamilton. The remainder of the bench should be playing only mop up minutes.
I agree. I am fine with Hamilton. I like the progress that he has made. He would be best suited to be a backup getting 8-10 minutes max a game at this point in his development, but he will be solid his next 2 years. What we don't have this year is legit high level big for this year to take on the other 20-25 minutes. Gold and Parham are fours.
Getting a portal big for this year would have been huge. From a definite need and from a development standpoint for Hamilton, Clark and Pearson.
I get that our tournament hopes are shot but I want to enjoy this year. I feel so bad for Chase and Ben because they have been really good so far. Anything they do the rest of the year doesn't benefit the future of the program. They are playing for this year.
Need an angle for optimism the rest of the way. Who's got one for me?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 16, 2025, 09:37:51 AMNeed an angle for optimism the rest of the way. Who's got one for me?
Where there is failure there is opportunity.
This is a deep group with some higher ceiling players. Shaka needs to gameplay better and a couple of players need to step it up. Not out of the question, that some could step up and really elevate their game for the betterment of this team. Freshmen need to become sophs quickly and Owens/Parham need to believe in their skills.
What I don't get is that for how connected they are as a team/culture, you would think their defending would be significantly better. 24 deflections in a fast paced game is awful. It can only get better from here. Right?
Quote from: Big Papi on November 16, 2025, 09:53:27 AMWhere there is failure there is opportunity.
This is a deep group with some higher ceiling players. Shaka needs to gameplay better and a couple of players need to step it up. Not out of the question, that some could step up and really elevate their game for the betterment of this team. Freshmen need to become sophs quickly and Owens/Parham need to believe in their skills.
What I don't get is that for how connected they are as a team/culture, you would think their defending would be significantly better. 24 deflections in a fast paced game is awful. It can only get better from here. Right?
I like it. I want to see how we respond.
A team like we have should be able to come out angry and play with some real energy. You're totally right that it starts with Owens and Parham though because the rest of our guys that are capable, are playing fairly well. Those two need to grow up. Seeing a team respond to adversity is one of the most fun things about the college game. Hopefully we do.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 15, 2025, 06:16:12 PMDisagree with your assessment of Gold. He works his tail off with a cast of misfit bigs. If he had an experienced center to work with his life would be easier.
We will get our ass beat down low again in the BE this season. We do not have the size nor ability to finish around the rim.
Going to be a long season.
My assessment of Gold is that he's just an OK athlete. Do you think he's comparable athletically to, say, Oso?
Said nothing about how hard he works or his supporting cast.
Quote from: Big Papi on November 16, 2025, 09:53:27 AMWhere there is failure there is opportunity.
This is a deep group with some higher ceiling players. Shaka needs to gameplay better and a couple of players need to step it up. Not out of the question, that some could step up and really elevate their game for the betterment of this team. Freshmen need to become sophs quickly and Owens/Parham need to believe in their skills.
Some might say Owens and Parham need to believe a little less in their skills and believe a little more in playing within themselves and the system.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 16, 2025, 09:37:51 AMI get that our tournament hopes are shot but I want to enjoy this year. I feel so bad for Chase and Ben because they have been really good so far. Anything they do the rest of the year doesn't benefit the future of the program. They are playing for this year.
Need an angle for optimism the rest of the way. Who's got one for me?
Our Tournament hopes are not shot after 5 games. We just aren't a good team. But the idea that losses to 2 mediocre Power 5 teams in November ends our seasons is crazy.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2025, 07:49:16 PMOur Tournament hopes are not shot after 5 games. We just aren't a good team. But the idea that losses to 2 mediocre Power 5 teams in November ends our seasons is crazy.
Given the limited opportunities for quality wins, yes, they needed them. Unless you are thinking they are winning @ Purdue, UW, or against UConn.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 16, 2025, 07:55:01 PMGiven the limited opportunities for quality wins, yes, they needed them. Unless you are thinking they are winning @ Purdue, UW, or against UConn.
So our tournament hopes are not shot. There are plenty of opportunities for wins. The team just isn't good enough to get them.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 16, 2025, 07:56:08 PMSo our tournament hopes are not shot. There are plenty of opportunities for wins. The team just isn't good enough to get them.
I don't think the "we still have a chance because there are games left that we aren't good enough to win" is a rousing endorsement of those tournaments hopes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 17, 2025, 09:36:42 AMI don't think the "we still have a chance because there are games left that we aren't good enough to win" is a rousing endorsement of those tournaments hopes.
If we play to your #2 preseason predicted position in the Big East, we will have ZERO problem getting into the NCAA Tournament, despite some here claiming that our NCAA Tournament chances were slammed shut on 11/15.
The reality is, we probably were never good enough to be a Tournament team given how we've played against the two high major teams we've played. Getting one of the games against Indiana or Maryland is unlikely going to be the difference in us making or not making the Tournament. So, I guess our season ended in September.
That was based on the expectation (largely informed by our own staff) that the young returning players would take a step they haven't taken & SJ was going to be break m very good & he hasn't been.
Also as much an expectation that SJU & Creighton wouldn't be as good as expected, and they haven't been. The only thing I'd change is swapping us and Georgetown.
But regardless, I'm talking about what's actually happened, not preseason predictions.
Quote from: Jockey on November 15, 2025, 05:20:54 PMI think the Theo James fan club has migrated to Caedin.
I don't remember any Scoopers being a fan of Theo James.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 17, 2025, 12:15:38 PMI don't remember any Scoopers being a fan of Theo James.
I don't know about that. There were plenty of people on here who loved when he would flex his muscles in celebration after picking up his second foul five minutes into the game. Then again, those were probably the same people who said Traci Carter was Jay Wright's biggest recruiting miss. Strange times.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 17, 2025, 12:15:38 PMI don't remember any Scoopers being a fan of Theo James.
There definitely were some. The same fans also loved Ramsey.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 17, 2025, 12:53:05 PMThere definitely were some. The same fans also loved Ramsey.
Oh please. No one who loved Ramsey also loved a guy with corn rows.
Not sure about Theo James, but I've always been a big fan of Marcus, Cam, Parnham and O'Toule.
And of course, Hamilto. That goes without saying.
Quote from: MU82 on November 17, 2025, 01:56:20 PMNot sure about Theo James, but I've always been a big fan of Marcus, Cam, Parnham and O'Toule.
And of course, Hamilto. That goes without saying.
I was with you until Hamilto,
especially after adding "that goes without saying".
Really 82? I think Ransey should take his starter position.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 17, 2025, 12:15:38 PMI don't remember any Scoopers being a fan of Theo James.
Sarcasm is our friend.
Was Rowsey Ramsey?
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on November 17, 2025, 12:48:50 PMI don't know about that. There were plenty of people on here who loved when he would flex his muscles in celebration after picking up his second foul five minutes into the game. Then again, those were probably the same people who said Traci Carter was Jay Wright's biggest recruiting miss. Strange times.
Fairly certain Theo James never did this in a Marquette game.
Quote from: MU82 on November 17, 2025, 01:56:20 PMNot sure about Theo James, but I've always been a big fan of Marcus, Cam, Parnham and O'Toule.
And of course, Hamilto. That goes without saying.
Agreed!
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Quote from: BM1090 on November 17, 2025, 02:48:57 PMWas Rowsey Ramsey?
No, but Ramsey is rowdy and randy.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 17, 2025, 03:19:27 PMFairly certain Theo James never did this in a Marquette game.
This is correct. He's Dominic James' little brother and never was a showoff.
Gotta like the neck on Cam.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 17, 2025, 12:53:05 PMThere definitely were some. The same fans also loved Ramsey.
Does he still have eligibility? Could use him.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 17, 2025, 05:11:23 PMDoes he still have eligibility? Could use him.
Ramsey had a no-show job at Mazos but when they closed, he decided to transfer to St. John's
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2025, 05:27:34 PMRamsey had a no-show job at Mazos but when they closed, he decided to transfer to St. John's
He went with the disgusting Pitino? Sad
More NIL.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 17, 2025, 05:33:27 PMHe went with the disgusting Pitino? Sad
Marquette's lack of NIL didn't help. But Ramsey's head was always in his rectum and he played like dung
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 17, 2025, 02:03:34 PMI was with you until Hamilto, especially after adding "that goes without saying". Really 82? I think Ransey should take his starter position.
Ransey was certainly no Ramsey.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 18, 2025, 09:13:07 AMRansey was certainly no Ramsey.
Ha! Corrected. Surprised Willie didn't catch it before you did.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 18, 2025, 10:06:40 AMHa! Corrected. Surprised Willie didn't catch it before you did.
Willie is meeting with other big-time boosters to discuss the direction of the program.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2025, 10:22:00 AMWillie is meeting with other big-time boosters to discuss the direction of the program.
In his basement?
After the Indiana and Maryland games, I reluctantly admit that this is simply not a good team - right now. What is puzzling to me is that there are good players on the team. Ross, Gold, and Lowery are good. Maybe not superstars but really good, solid players. And, James and Stevens both look like the real deal. Parham can provide some good minutes and even Hamilton can play a little bit for a few minutes here and there. Sean Jones is a question mark and Owens continues to be a lost soul who may eventually figure it out. Phillips has shown he can shoot a little but I have not seen him do much else. Granted, there is no strong player art the 5 spot, but you would think there is enough talent in that group to play better than they have.
It is certainly possible for a talented group of players to never jell as a team. It happens. And maybe the weakness up front is more significant than I realize. Maybe they get better over the course of the season; maybe they don't.
The one hope is that Lowery, Stevens, and James continue to get better this year. But, then who are they going to be playing with next year? Pearson will be a freshman and cannot be expected to solve the frontline problem by himself. Maybe Parham develops into a solid, reliable player - maybe. Owens... Jones... Hamilton? Who knows. But, I am concerned that, quite frankly, next year may not be a lot better.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on November 17, 2025, 12:48:50 PMI don't know about that. There were plenty of people on here who loved when he would flex his muscles in celebration after picking up his second foul five minutes into the game. Then again, those were probably the same people who said Traci Carter was Jay Wright's biggest recruiting miss. Strange times.
Yeah, but that guy's name was Theo John.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 19, 2025, 10:58:49 AMYeah, but that guy's name was Theo John.
You weren't supposed to say anything, just let him prattle on.