Take the redshirt off Pearson.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on Today at 03:21:43 PMTake the redshirt off Pearson.
I don't need to see the Clark experiment play out.
Shaka got a reputation for developing raw bigs, but those (Sanders, Allen, Haynes, Kai Jones, Oso) were super athletic. The bigs he's recruited to MU are just the opposite. Gold is at best an OK athlete. Hamilton and Clark are plodding out there.
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 03:38:26 PMShaka got a reputation for developing raw bigs, but those (Sanders, Allen, Haynes, Kai Jones, Oso) were super athletic. The bigs he's recruited to MU are just the opposite. Gold is at best an OK athlete. Hamilton and Clark are plodding out there.
He hasn't proven he can recruit a big when the brand name of Texas isn't enough. Could say that for about 80% of the backcourt recruits too though
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 03:38:26 PMShaka got a reputation for developing raw bigs, but those (Sanders, Allen, Haynes, Kai Jones, Oso) were super athletic. The bigs he's recruited to MU are just the opposite. Gold is at best an OK athlete. Hamilton and Clark are plodding out there.
I for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
Quote from: nyg on Today at 03:47:00 PMI for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
Culture year is such a crock of sh!t.
Quote from: nyg on Today at 03:47:00 PMI for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
What's a culture year?
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on Today at 03:21:43 PMTake the redshirt off Pearson.
That would look ridiculous to be at the bottom of the conference with 3 redshirts sitting out.
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 03:58:29 PMWhat's a culture year?
Where the player assimilates with the players, coaches, system, etc. Redshirting adds an additional year for that. Guess a bad terminology on my part, but as you know culture is at top of Shaka's priority list.
Quote from: nyg on Today at 04:03:58 PMWhere the player assimilates with the players, coaches, system, etc. Redshirting adds an additional year for that. Guess a bad terminology on my part, but as you know culture is at top of Shaka's priority list.
Feeling an established culture but it's surely not what they had in mind
Quote from: CountryRoads on Today at 04:00:56 PMThat would look ridiculous to be at the bottom of the conference with 3 redshirts sitting out.
Who among them would be helpful?
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 04:05:56 PMWho among them would be helpful?
You might have just summed up the problem with Shaka
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on Today at 03:21:43 PMTake the redshirt off Pearson.
This makes zero sense.
Quote from: GB Warrior on Today at 03:56:33 PMCulture year is such a crock of sh!t.
You're a little baby, huh.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on Today at 04:09:26 PMYou're a little baby, huh.
Buddy, we're recruiting players that aren't good enough to play. By the program's own admission. Now I don't understand modern basketball finances but that generally isn't where I'm pouring my resources unless I'm more about keeping the floor high (lol) and chasing the once-in-a-blue-moon home run swing
Quote from: GB Warrior on Today at 04:07:07 PMYou might have just summed up the problem with Shaka
Dude. Get off the ledge. We might have a down year. I'll take 1 down year out of 5. And Shaka massively overachieved Years 1,2 and 3.
Some MU fans need to relax and chill out. I for sure am not throwing in the towel on this team/season despite the slow start.
Quote from: GB Warrior on Today at 04:13:41 PMBuddy, we're recruiting players that aren't good enough to play. By the program's own admission. Now I don't understand modern basketball finances but that generally isn't where I'm pouring my resources unless I'm more about keeping the floor high (lol) and chasing the once-in-a-blue-moon home run swing
Like I said, you're a little baby.
I'm upset and as disappointed as anyone by this early showing. Shaka and staff have also earned the benefit of the doubt to fix what's wrong and adjust.
And saying to burn Sheek's redshirt as well as the others is so beyond stupid it's not even worth a discussion.
Quote from: GB Warrior on Today at 03:24:48 PMI don't need to see the Clark experiment play out.
Or Hamilton. These are end of the bench guys.
Another year of no inside game !Let me hear again how only 3 pt shots matter! Nothing like a one dimensional offense with no knockdown shooters !
Quote from: drbob on Today at 05:01:03 PMAnother year of no inside game !Let me hear again how only 3 pt shots matter! Nothing like a one dimensional offense with no knockdown shooters !
Missing 3 pointers is better than making mid-range shots.
Hamilton and Clark are just not ready to be major college 5's. Whether either ever gets there is questionable. This strategy of offering projects at the 5 is not paying off.
I think the biggest disappointment (to me) this season thus far is Damarius. I was looking forward to how he'd play when healthy. His athleticism is off the charts but the performance to date is discouraging.
The RGV theory depends on the G, and in Shaka's time here it has been impressive, but this year is starting to look like a bump in the road.
I'm fine with Hamilton. He'd be fine off the bench. I'm more disappointed in Owens and Parham. I was never one who thought Owens would take minutes from Lowery but I didn't think Owens would be a net negative on the floor. Parham has been better than Owens, but he's nowhere near where I thought he'd be after last year.
The best lineup is Lowery, Ross, Gold, Parham, and James. The guys playing meaningful minutes off the bench should be Stevens, Jones, and Hamilton. The remainder of the bench should be playing only mop up minutes.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on Today at 05:10:44 PMHamilton and Clark are just not ready to be major college 5's. Whether either ever gets there is questionable. This strategy of offering projects at the 5 is not paying off.
I think the biggest disappointment (to me) this season thus far is Damarius. I was looking forward to how he'd play when healthy. His athleticism is off the charts but the performance to date is discouraging.
The RGV theory depends on the G, and in Shaka's time here it has been impressive, but this year is starting to look like a bump in the
road.
Offering projects at the 5 is not an issue. You just need production ahead of them and right now we don't.
With this model, the junior class is crucial and the miss on Tre hurts.
5 games in, the team hasn't gotten close to what it needs from Royce and Damarius.
Up to Shaka and staff to improve both recruiting and growth.
I think the Theo James fan club has migrated to Caedin.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on Today at 05:10:44 PMThe RGV theory depends on the G, and in Shaka's time here it has been impressive, but this year is starting to look like a bump in the road.
It rolls off the tongue nicer, but the V can't come last in that equation. Winning teams are happy teams and the relationships follow very quickly. It's not a linear process where those things grow incrementally over time. The R and the G plummet rapidly without the V.
Quote from: nyg on Today at 03:47:00 PMI for one cannot make any criticism of Hamilton. He was an unheralded, nobody Shaka recruit, who redshirted for his culture year at MU and now is entering his third year as the starting center for a Big East team. Good for him, he is doing the best of his ability. The problem is that he is Shaka's center, his recruit, who he developed and retained in his system. Shaka kept him in the program and did not look to replace him. Clark is identical in his development/background and see how it works out.
Hopefully both work out and don't end up like Al Amadou, who was on the same path as both. He transferred to St. Joes and is at the end of the bench with the team managers.
That's a great story and all, but at the end of the day currently Hamilton looks lost. That's all that matters at the top d1 level.
Quote from: #UnleashNigel on Today at 05:38:04 PMThat's a great story and all, but at the end of the day currently Hamilton looks lost. That's all that matters at the top d1 level.
On top of being lost, he's just not there athletically or skills-wise. He'd be lucky to even start for a horizon league team and MU is forced to play him. Pearson appears to be the best big man signing in Shaka's tenure so far. Really have to hope he pans out. With how poor the sophomores and juniors look overall, he really needs to hit on the new signings.