What is your favorite Buzz scandal? What do you consider a non-issue?
Personality trait you found endearing while he was at MU that now annoys you?
Dry mopping the corners and his hillbilly act was a little annoying.
Liked that he wrote hand written letters to coaches.
Buzz's bunch was a kind thing to do.
Loved the team success.
Loved the dance on WV logo.
Brought in great players to the program.
Obviously player scandal and his handling of it tarnished him here. But I think he will get cheers initially for his overall contribution to the program.
If the question was asked a few years ago, my answer would be different but I generally view Buzz in a positive light now. Sort of the "more than one coach removed" rule I guess where MU is now on their second coach since him and Buzz is on his third school since MU. Same kind of deal with Crean.
Anyways, I'd say Life Lessons. Really felt I grew as person watching them. Also, I schedule meetings at work at odd times like 10:42 or 2:14 now. It makes my coworkers think I really know what I'm doing and not that I'm crazy or anything.
I'm not going to lose my voice cheering for him, but I think a nice warm welcome would be appropriate especially since we're honoring one of the players he coached. I'm interested to see the crowd's reaction though. Students were pretty young when he was here.
Buzz is, and was, a dirtbag. Running the Buzz's Kids media blitz before leaving Marquette to soften his image in case of blowback was disgusting propaganda.
His teams won games, so we looked past the BS and the scandal, but all that did was reinforce the cult of the coach and the ugly side of fandom. And I was part of it, cheering for the "quirky, aw shucks" Buzz, something he never was.
I liked Buzz. Sorry his time here ended on a sour note. Interesting selection for HC, imo, replacing Crean. He wasn't necessarily a 'fit'...Buzz for MU or MU for Buzz. But, Crean's F4 aside, MU's best coach since Al. Brought in talent. Won big games. A really good coach of basketball. Post game radio interviews w/Homer & Mac were always interesting. I hope Buzz kicks arse in the Big Ten and I hope he gets a solid ovation on Saturday. I also hope Marquette kicks his arse with an over early beat down on Saturday!
Favorite Buzz Memory: The year we beat Xavier and Syracuse to go to the Sweet Sixteen I was in the band with the team in Cleveland. We waited for what seemed like forever on the plane on the tarmac as the team had a celebratory pizza party. When they finally arrived, Buzz brought all of the extra pizza on the plane to give away. So I can proudly say that one time, Buzz Williams gave me a whole pizza on an airplane. That pizza made its way back to Campus Town East and was lunch for the next few days.
When he left, I was definitely one who put him into the "slimeballs I'm glad to be rid of" category. But time heals all wounds. I'll probably cheer/clap when he's announced on Saturday. I'm interested to see the cheer/boo percentages.
I rooted for Buzz to succeed, like I do all MU coaches.
I wasn't perturbed about the citations in the bar for underage drinking, as I don't stress about college kids drinking.
The Scott Monarch thing was mouse nuts. Cover up worse than the crime.
The Jae Crowder academics I was willing to overlook as the price of doing business.
The sexual assault caused firings and changes to university policy. Handled about as poorly as possible.
All the juco's didn't bother me, as I am agnostic about transfers.
In the end, a restless, wandering soul that inevitably looks to the next thing. A poor man's Larry Brown. Destined to wander the world looking for his next gig.
A net positive for MU.
Buzz is our only former head coach that I dislike.
Many I can think of that let me know he just wan't a good guy.
Knowing he would make managers valet park his car in the lot across the street from the Al because he refused to walk to and from, and making admin bring him his meals course by course in front of people was pretty ridiculous. The fact MU staff longed for the Creans compared to Buzz and his wife was telling.
I was at an alumni event in NYC with Buzz as the guest. Huge turnout. He stayed in a segregated area, refusing to talk to anyone before the event, and then he bailed immediately after.
On a personal level, a close MU friend was being ordained as a priest, and I wanted to get him an autographed MU basketball as a gift since our mutual love of MU hoops is how we became friends. Buzz wouldn't do it. He bailed on another alumni event too. I just never felt he embraced what MU was about; he thought he was bigger than MU.
Interesting dude.
First time I met him... I was courtside at a game in Vegas during the July evaluation period.. next to Eric Bossi... I'm of course decked out in Marquette gear... Buzz came over to talk to Bossi, but sees me.. gave me a look of 'who is this freak in an extremely large pair of MU shorts?' and says, 'hey, how you doing?'..
Then he went onto his convo with Bossi.. and pulls out a can.. bro is chewing and spitting away while our feet are practically on the playing floor.. essentially the devil's lettuce in legal nicotine form, right in front of the children!
If you looked closer, some of the very detailed things he'd say would actually be wrong.. so.. maybe more of a way he talked, than quality of mind if you will? e.g., 'it's the NLI signing period, so we have 7 days'.. umm, no.. it's 8 my guy.
I do think he got guys to work their freaking tails off.. we had some good, rugged efforts during his tenure.
Whatever the oddities, they have served him pretty dang well.
Overall, I'd give him a short, respectful clap if I were at the game instead of at a H U G E pickleball tournament on Saturday. #pray
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2025, 08:09:07 AMMany I can think of that let me know he just wan't a good guy.
Knowing he could make managers valet park his car in the lot across the street from the Al because he refused to walk to and from, and making admin bring him his meals course by course in front of people was pretty ridiculous. The fact MU staff longed for the Creans compared to Buzz and his wife was telling.
I was at an alumni event in NYC with Buzz as the guest. Huge turnout. He stayed in a segregated area, refusing to talk to anyone before the event, and then he bailed immediately after.
On a personal level, a close MU friend was being ordained as a priest, and I wanted to get him an autographed MU basketball as a gift since our mutual love of MU hoops is how we became friends. Buzz wouldn't do it. He bailed on another alumni event too. I just never felt he embraced what MU was about; he thought he was bigger than MU.
I was at this NYC event and remember the strangely roped off area and then him scurrying off as soon as the interview ended.
Buzz gave us some great memories and several years of success. His last Last year was a train wreck and all the associated nonsense going on.
That said, I really don't care about him anymore. I would neither boo or applaud him. Ignoring him would bother Buzz more.
Here's hoping we pound them!
Most people don't really know why Buzz 'left' Marquette, so I imagine that since the fans have forgiven Crean, they will have a similar approach for Buzz.
He won't be booed. Hopefully, they give his goofy ass the mic and let him talk about his former player.
As other posters have said, time heals all wounds. Scars remain as a reminder of those wounds though.
Reasons I like Buzz:
- I like having success in the NCAA Tournament
- Jimmy Butler & Jae Crowder are two of my favorite MU players of all time
- Met him in the MU Spirit Shop and he signed a basketball and we chatted a bit about hoops. Totally normal interaction. Nothing like the horror stories shared here.
-For the record, I also really liked Crean. I was a student when he was there. I remember waiting in line for big games and Crean brought donuts. He also came and spoke to my Sports Sociology class for the whole period. Really fun memory.
-The only coach I didn't like was Wojo. I met him at the Fiserv Grand Opening - ZERO personality. He didn't make eye contact, which was odd. And I didn't enjoy watching his teams play. It made me long for Crean's over-the-top intensity and Buzz's crazy antics.
I wasn't perturbed about the citations in the bar for underage drinking, as I don't stress about college kids drinking.
Definitely correct on this Tower or we wouldn't like any coach at MU or any other school.
I have no issues with Buzz.
In my opinion, he is Marquette's most successful coach since Al.
A self-made man who can say he did it his way.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 13, 2025, 09:25:09 AMI have no issues with Buzz.
In my opinion, he is Marquette's most successful coach since Al.
A self-made man who can say he did it his way.
You didn't have issues with the sexual assault coverup?
As I recall, Marquette had a history of sexual assault coverups as covered in one of the Chicago papers. Do you have an issue with Marquette?
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 13, 2025, 09:36:40 AMAs I recall, Marquette had a history of sexual assault coverups as covered in one of the Chicago papers. Do you have an issue with Marquette?
Nice deflection.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 13, 2025, 09:36:40 AMAs I recall, Marquette had a history of sexual assault coverups as covered in one of the Chicago papers. Do you have an issue with Marquette?
Sure do, but that doesn't excuse Buzz.
A bunch of wrongs never make a right.
QuoteBut you can't hold an entire fraternity (University) responsible for the actions of a few sick, perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity (University) system? And if the whole fraternity (University) system is to blame, then is this not an indictment of our education system in general?
Only solution is to shut down the school.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 13, 2025, 10:01:25 AMA bunch of wrongs never make a right.
Which is why Steve Cottingham lost his job. As you may recall, he was the University's General Counsel before he was athletic director. And as GC, he would have been responsible for the University's Title IX response, and let's just say it was problematic. So when the story came out about the issues at Marquette, he took the fall.
And Buzz was part of the problem. Encouraging players to contact an alleged victim is...well...incredibly bad. That would have gotten 99% of the employees at the school fired immediately.
Buzz deserves nothing but the most insignificant of mentions upon his return.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 13, 2025, 08:52:30 AMMost people don't really know why Buzz 'left' Marquette, so I imagine that since the fans have forgiven Crean, they will have a similar approach for Buzz.
He said he didn't believe the Big East (and, by implication, MU) would be strong moving forward in the hoops landscape, he wanted to be at a football school, and that we had no AD (ironic, since he led the run-off of Larry Williams).
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2025, 10:15:06 AMHe said he didn't believe the Big East (and, by implication, MU) would be strong moving forward in the hoops landscape, he wanted to be at a football school, and that we had no AD (ironic, since he led the run-off of Larry Williams).
Anyone on this board is not the average fan.
I think Buzz is complicated. Some things in a vacuum like Vander punching the guy at qdoba, the brawl at apartment 720 (with the ensuing underage drinking tickets), the 99% of the team being suspended, all in a vacuum are minor things, heck even the relatively small recruiting violation.
That said, defending recruiting Malek Harris and revoking Newbill's scholarship showed some character issues. Recruiting Noskowiak showed lack of judgement. Recruiting Jae showed that he had no interest in the student portion of recruiting student athletes.
Again that all is minor, but when you tie it all up with the two group sexual assaults that happened and his reaction then to me it's indicative of a problem running much deeper. Plus you add in the weird parish article to defend him leaving (that turned out comically wrong) and it just stinks.
I'm lucky that from deciding to go to MU till my (first) senior year that I got to be a part of the best non Al stretch of MUBB as a student/incoming frosh but with hindsight and having known one of the girls, well I'd be booing my ass off at him if I was going Saturday.
While Buzz was actually at Marquette, I enjoyed watching his teams and loved the S16-S16-E8 runs, though I did cringe as the sexual assault allegations piled up.
His departure from MU was dirtballish. I haven't really thought all that much about him since except to joke about the way he hops around from one school to another.
I do have a favorite memory: The time Jae Crowder scored against West Virginia (I think?) and Buzz ran into the court and tapped Jae on his head in celebration.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 13, 2025, 09:10:14 AMReasons I like Buzz:
- I like having success in the NCAA Tournament
- Jimmy Butler & Jae Crowder are two of my favorite MU players of all time
- Met him in the MU Spirit Shop and he signed a basketball and we chatted a bit about hoops. Totally normal interaction. Nothing like the horror stories shared here.
-For the record, I also really liked Crean. I was a student when he was there. I remember waiting in line for big games and Crean brought donuts. He also came and spoke to my Sports Sociology class for the whole period. Really fun memory.
-The only coach I didn't like was Wojo. I met him at the Fiserv Grand Opening - ZERO personality. He didn't make eye contact, which was odd. And I didn't enjoy watching his teams play. It made me long for Crean's over-the-top intensity and Buzz's crazy antics.
I second all of this and this was my experience as well both with Buzz and Wojo when I met them. Buzz talked to me and Wojo had deer in headlights look.
I also was at MU for the Crean days. He always bought something for us students who stood in line before the game.
One of my coolest memories was when Memphis played at Bradley center in Feb 2004. I was walking through Straz business to see a teacher and ran into John Calipari in the teachers office area. I asked him what he was doing and he said "visiting friends". He was kind enough to sign a notebook for me real quick and then left.
My lasting impression of Brent will always be the image of him showing up on CBS' tournament studio show the day after he left MU wearing a Virginia Tech lapel pin the size of Andre the Giant.
Usually I feel upset with a coach when they leave and soften over time. With Buzz, it's been the opposite.
While he was here, his schtick worked, but when he goes away, you can see what a slimeball he was, dressed up with a folksy manner of speaking. His handling of the alleged sexual assault and trying to bury it was the worst of his moments here, but the handling of DJ Newbill, the recruiting violations, the off court incidents (underage drinking and fighting in public), and his power struggle with admin was all highly objectionable.
Buzz is a good coach but a terrible person. I enjoyed the wins while he was here, but with the benefit of hindsight, I'm glad he's no longer associated with Marquette. I know the rodents to the west will always accuse us of having a dirty program, but it was never more accurate than when Buzz was in charge. Good riddance, may we beat them by 100.
Favorite memories in the moment were the Walk it Out after DJO's dunk and dancing at WVU, which in retrospect feels like a prelude to Tyler singing Country Roads.
My favorite moment was when he suspended DJO, Vander, and Junior for the first half and Todd Mayo for the second half of the game at West Virginia in 2012. Nothing says "I'm going to be the father figure of all these kids who don't have one in their lives and teach them life lessons, but not at the expense of winning basketball games."
Jae goes all 40 minutes, goes for 26 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, and 2 blocks while Kevin Jones shot 5/14 and finished with 12 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 turnovers, basically wrapping up BEPOY for Jae.
Kolek 'em.
Loved the Buzz years (on the court)
Favorites:
DJO's 3 vs Syracuse
The Syracuse game at the BC
The Davidson comeback and then that whole elite 8 run
Least favorite:
Blowing that lead at Louisville. I think we were up 15 with less than 5 to go
Getting smoked by ND at the garden the year we won the regular season big east. I was courtside and it sucked
Losing two senior days in a row to G'town my junior year and then to ND my senior year (I think). We had both those games won
Lazar stepping over the line vs mizzou and then the next year blowing the lead vs Washington. We were on our senior trip in Cancun. That sucked
Did anyone see the interview he did with Parrish?
Gary (paraphrasing) asked him about why all the job hopping and his response was "You have to know when to leave the carnival".
So, dropped a folksy anecdote that was LITERALLY SAID BY ACTUAL SNAKE OIL SALESMEN, probably.
(https://media.tenor.com/9nntFNSCTGYAAAAM/boo-annoyed.gif)
This thread is not serious without a discussion of Buzz's flushing habits.
Buzz did more good at MU than bad, but there definitely were some lowlights.
What's kept him on my "unnatural carnal knowledge that guy" list isn't that he left Marquette - it was probably time - or even the way he left Marquette, but the fact he felt the need to piss on Marquette/the Big East on his way out the door. For all the crap Tom Crean took over his departure, he had nothing but good things to say about MU then and ever since.
Marquette pulled Buzz off the scrap heap, gave him an opportunity that no other program of its stature would have and made him a very rich man. He showed his appreciation by taking a dump - without flushing, of course - on the university when he left.
unnatural carnal knowledge that guy.
I think Buzz changed quite a bit from the start of his tenure to the finish. I heard he was a breath of fresh air compared to Crean who sounded a bit like a tyrant to work for. However, after some success, I think Buzz's head had trouble fitting in the doorway.
It's amazing how Wojo makes us nostalgic for his two predecessors, but if it were not for Wojo we would probably not have Shaka.
Wojo doesn't make me nostalgic for Buzz.......Wojo was a good guy who just didn't win enough.......Buzz won a lot but as has been outlined above had so many negatives that I didn't want him here anymore.
Glad Shaka is here and I guess it is ironic how that came to be after almost getting him when Buzz left.
It all worked out.
Maryland at home lost to Georgetown.
Marquette should win this one.
And boo Buzz all you want.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2025, 07:44:59 AMI rooted for Buzz to succeed, like I do all MU coaches.
I wasn't perturbed about the citations in the bar for underage drinking, as I don't stress about college kids drinking.
The Scott Monarch thing was mouse nuts. Cover up worse than the crime.
The Jae Crowder academics I was willing to overlook as the price of doing business.
The sexual assault caused firings and changes to university policy. Handled about as poorly as possible.
All the juco's didn't bother me, as I am agnostic about transfers.
In the end, a restless, wandering soul that inevitably looks to the next thing. A poor man's Larry Brown. Destined to wander the world looking for his next gig.
A net positive for MU.
The downhome lonesome phony cowboy.
Who is this Buzz that people keep talking about?
Aldrin, Lightyear, Ruth Buzzi?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on November 13, 2025, 03:11:07 PMIt's amazing how Wojo makes us nostalgic for his two predecessors, but if it were not for Wojo we would probably not have Shaka.
I don't think anyone expressing true nostalgia for the coaches so much as those days of MUBB, it's hard not to reminisce about where we were think about it like this we were probably a Travis injury from 11/12 NCAA tournaments stil made 10/12. Ranked in the top 10 5 or 6 of those seasons, multiple single digit seeds, 3 of which were our highest seeds ever at the time, 4 times advancing. It was a great era of MUBB. That said Crean was apparently a bit of a prick and Buzz was a complete phony.
Makes me curious to think what we would say about Shaka if he left.
Maybe: "He was better than Wojo." or "He should have used the Portal."
Some coaches wouldn't have benched players at all.
A half is a pretty big punishment. Always amazed people critiqued that.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 13, 2025, 12:04:17 PMMy favorite moment was when he suspended DJO, Vander, and Junior for the first half and Todd Mayo for the second half of the game at West Virginia in 2012. Nothing says "I'm going to be the father figure of all these kids who don't have one in their lives and teach them life lessons, but not at the expense of winning basketball games."
Jae goes all 40 minutes, goes for 26 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, and 2 blocks while Kevin Jones shot 5/14 and finished with 12 points, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 turnovers, basically wrapping up BEPOY for Jae.
Kolek 'em.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 13, 2025, 04:15:41 PMThat said Crean was apparently a bit of a prick and Buzz was a complete phony.
Interesting and factual take. How many successful coaches fit those categories? Izzo, Self, Beoheim, Calhoun, Roy Williams?
Jay Wright is one of a few classy,ethical winners. The majority are flawed.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 13, 2025, 04:33:12 PMInteresting and factual take. How many successful coaches fit those categories? Izzo, Self, Beoheim, Calhoun, Roy Williams?
Jay Wright is one of a few classy,ethical winners. The majority are flawed.
What made Roy Williams a prick? Have never heard a bad thing about him.
There is only one thing to really bring Buzz's return to Marquette full-circle.
We need a Welcome Back Buzz graphic on the tron at Fiserv featuring Scott Monarch.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 13, 2025, 04:35:45 PMWhat made Roy Williams a prick? Have never heard a bad thing about him.
Completely unverified comments from a KU booster who said he acted like everyone was beneath him, but mostly his fake tears were the "phony" aspect I was referring to. Not so much, or at all, a "prick".
Buzz will never be as good as he was at Marquette. His schtick has never been fresher than it was here, he's never been able to recruit better (or badder) dudes, he's never replicated the post-season accomplishments, and his name will never be as hot as it was back in the early 2010s. Back then, it seemed like anything was possible for him. Now, you pretty much know what you're going to get: A top 25 team after a year or two of rebuilding, a few tournament appearances with early exits, and a hasty departure after 5-6 years.
More than the on-court success, I'll always appreciate the *feeling* I had as a Marquette fan during those times. Those were wild years where the only certainties were that we were always going to be the tougher team, and we were always going to get some crazy postgame gobbledygook from Buzz. Watching his teams and his antics, it felt like we had all somehow found ourselves in a parallel universe or different timeline where we were seeing something we weren't supposed to see. And maybe it would've been better if we'd never seen it, but I'm glad I did.
If there are fans that prefer to celebrate Buzz Williams rather than acknowledge the character he revealed, when he's announced, remember the best way is to shout his name very, very loudly. It should sound like this:
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUzz
Some interviews out there. One with Fanta. Buzz's version of trying to make peace.
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1989071860513010066?s=20
My undergrad Buzz was the coach the whole time. The basketball side of things he was great (until his departure where he just ripped the Big East) but it was extremely awkward knowing that there would be multiple assault allegations dropping the day after the season ended (as well as why Reggie Smith left the team).
Will be booing him often Saturday.
All I know is Buzz put a lot of well coached, hard working teams on the court and won a lot. Never met him in a drugstore and I have no idea who Scott Monarch is, so there's that.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on November 13, 2025, 05:01:55 PM...and we were always going to get some crazy postgame gobbledygook from Buzz
My favorite Buzz moment was his magnum opus
https://youtu.be/OzCQpUlS8wE?si=5-s_7k00eZq-7eAt
I think Brew mentioned this already but probably my second favorite:
https://youtu.be/6HVd493yAhM?si=8QTsoeG9Xl_SqiX5
I loved the roller coaster but have soured considerably since and and will be booing.
Buzz 6 years at MU: averaged 23 wins a season in the Big East, made the tourney five times, advanced to the round of 32 four times, three sweet sixteens, one elite eight.
Buzz's performance at VTech and A&M were very good as well turning both those programs around and he was at both for 5-6 years like MU so the job hopping criticism is not warranted given the pressure on high level D1 coaches to perform and that Maryland is a very good historical program.
It needs to be noted that Crean took us from obscurity to the final 4 & BigEast Conference deserving of MU Hall of Fame status. It is much more difficult to be a trailblazer but the wrong hire after Crean may have put us in a 3-5 year hole yet Buzz kept the train rolling uphill.
We can all criticize on an anonymous forum and the way Buzz's tenure ended at MU was not good - some of it should be cast on him as the head of the program but not all.
Bottom line: the Marquette basketball program benefited from Buzz's hard work.
Buzz should get a pre-game applaud on Saturday and then Marquette better win.
Quote from: The_Blaze on November 14, 2025, 03:08:18 AMBuzz 6 years at MU: averaged 23 wins a season in the Big East, made the tourney five times, advanced to the round of 32 four times, three sweet sixteens, one elite eight.
Buzz's performance at VTech and A&M were very good as well turning both those programs around and he was at both for 5-6 years like MU so the job hopping criticism is not warranted given the pressure on high level D1 coaches to perform and that Maryland is a very good historical program.
It needs to be noted that Crean took us from obscurity to the final 4 & BigEast Conference deserving of MU Hall of Fame status. It is much more difficult to be a trailblazer but the wrong hire after Crean may have put us in a 3-5 year hole yet Buzz kept the train rolling uphill.
We can all criticize on an anonymous forum and the way Buzz's tenure ended at MU was not good - some of it should be cast on him as the head of the program but not all.
Bottom line: the Marquette basketball program benefited from Buzz's hard work.
Buzz should get a pre-game applaud on Saturday and then Marquette better win.
What is being criticized is off the court stuff that was well documented and part of a headline story that caused embarrassment to the university and harm to its students.
It has nothing to do with an anonymous message board. Jeez.
I'll be booing tomorrow. Way too much bad stuff at the end to overcome a pretty good amount of good stuff before that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 13, 2025, 05:05:50 PMIf there are fans that prefer to celebrate Buzz Williams rather than acknowledge the character he revealed, when he's announced, remember the best way is to shout his name very, very loudly. It should sound like this:
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUzz
They were saying BOOOO-uzz. BOOOO-uzz.
Went to the Chicago fundraiser in October 2008, was kind of standoffish. But I will remember the crux of his speech was how he had to talk to NCAA compliance because there were rumors that MU was going to practice at Whitney Young that weekend. Weird guy.
Quote from: zcg2013 on November 13, 2025, 09:39:12 PMMy undergrad Buzz was the coach the whole time. The basketball side of things he was great (until his departure where he just ripped the Big East) but it was extremely awkward knowing that there would be multiple assault allegations dropping the day after the season ended (as well as why Reggie Smith left the team).
Will be booing him often Saturday.
I don't remember Reggie Smith or anything about what he did or didn't do, but I know in the sexual assault case a the walk on transfer kid, Singleton, was forced to take the fall for a starter.
Others here have mentioned the disgraceful way he handled Newbill, but he also screwed over Brett Roseboro. Perhaps Buzz made a mistake recruiting him (taking a limo to the kid's house and pressuring him to commit on the spot) but to bring him in during the summer then run him off telling him to redshirt or go at the end of the summer then having to get a waiver to play as a freshman was a dick move.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 13, 2025, 08:04:28 PMhttps://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1989071860513010066?s=20
That seems like the perfect answer to encapsulate Buzz. Long and rambling, with the very humble pieces. At face value, it's a nice sentiment. Knowing what we know, it's probably well coached PR.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 13, 2025, 08:52:30 AMMost people don't really know why Buzz 'left' Marquette, so I imagine that since the fans have forgiven Crean, they will have a similar approach for Buzz.
He won't be booed. Hopefully, they give his goofy ass the mic and let him talk about his former player.
As other posters have said, time heals all wounds. Scars remain as a reminder of those wounds though.
This is the right answer. For about 95% of fans, the only bad memory about Buzz was that he left Marquette.
All the other stuff is inside baseball.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 14, 2025, 08:42:00 AMThis is the right answer. For about 95% of fans, the only bad memory about Buzz was that he left Marquette.
All the other stuff is inside baseball.
There were articles about this stuff in the Chicago Tribune and New York Times.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 14, 2025, 08:42:00 AMThis is the right answer. For about 95% of fans, the only bad memory about Buzz was that he left Marquette.
All the other stuff is inside baseball.
look I can get that view for the weird recruits, the running off players/revoking scholarships, the weird folksy anecdotes, the suspensions, Scott monarch violations, fights, underage drinking. But come on you can't honestly be lumping the sexual assaults under the banner of "all the other stuff is inside basketball" (unless you actually meant baseball in which case I'm genuinely confused)
I was wearing a Marquette hat at a work happy hour this past summer and someone brought up the assault allegations and it's been over a decade
Quote from: The Sultan on November 14, 2025, 08:44:36 AMThere were articles about this stuff in the Chicago Tribune and New York Times.
Yep, and that was a decade ago, and most people have forgotten or never read the articles.
We've been a TV society for decades.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2025, 08:55:41 AMYep, and that was a decade ago, and most people have forgotten or never read the articles.
We've been a TV society for decades.
Should the Epstein stuff be washed as "inside politics"? Should Weinstein have been "inside Hollywood"? Your average Joe had no idea it was going on, happened ages ago, and it wasn't well reported at the time. People keep bringing up crimes of this nature to be the voice for those that don't, because for two girls starting their early days of college do you think it being over a decade ago matters anymore?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 14, 2025, 09:04:53 AMShould the Epstein stuff be washed as "inside politics"? Should Weinstein have been "inside Hollywood"? Your average Joe had no idea it was going on, happened ages ago, and it wasn't well reported at the time. People keep bringing up crimes of this nature to be the voice for those that don't, because for two girls starting their early days of college do you think it being over a decade ago matters anymore?
Correct. But I'll argue people are way more mad about him leaving than the sexual assaults. And that's the problem. And I'm guilty of giving him a pass when he was here.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2025, 09:07:39 AMCorrect. But I'll argue people are way more mad about him leaving than the sexual assaults. And that's the problem. And I'm guilty of giving him a pass when he was here.
Spot on. And saying that is the usual reaction of all schools' fans-e.g., Penn State fans are still pissed that Paterno was fired-isn't a good enough answer.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 14, 2025, 08:44:36 AMThere were articles about this stuff in the Chicago Tribune and New York Times.
Lol. Heavens to betsy, dozens of people will surely remember that.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2025, 08:55:41 AMYep, and that was a decade ago, and most people have forgotten or never read the articles.
This is correct. Not to mention, our country has a dozen GALACTICALLY WORSE scandals each month.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 14, 2025, 09:04:53 AMShould the Epstein stuff be washed as "inside politics"? Should Weinstein have been "inside Hollywood"? Your average Joe had no idea it was going on, happened ages ago, and it wasn't well reported at the time. People keep bringing up crimes of this nature to be the voice for those that don't, because for two girls starting their early days of college do you think it being over a decade ago matters anymore?
I am not excusing the behavior. I am saying the average fan doesn't know why Buzz left and as a result will not boo him. Nothing more, nothing less. The average fan wasn't a student at the time and doesn't know any of the victims, nor are they crazy enough to be on this board. Might some remember the story from 2014 if they read the Trib? Sure, but that number isn't enough to outweigh the people who have forgotten. This is why time heals all wounds is an accurate statement for the average person.
If you're ever unsure if a story is too 'inside baseball' walk to the nearest bus stop and ask the bus driver what he thinks. Give him no background. If he doesn't know what you're talking about then it's too 'inside baseball'. This is the bus driver test.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 14, 2025, 09:18:54 AMLol. Heavens to betsy, dozens of people will surely remember that.
This is correct. Not to mention, our country has a dozen GALACTICALLY WORSE scandals each month.
Well, rape is legal now, I think
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 14, 2025, 09:18:54 AMLol. Heavens to betsy, dozens of people will surely remember that.
But that's way different than "inside baseball," which implies that only insiders knew what was actually going on. Sure people forget and move on, but it was far from "inside baseball." It was well known and had implications for how the institution was lead and governed.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 14, 2025, 09:34:09 AMBut that's way different than "inside baseball," which implies that only insiders knew what was actually going on. Sure people forget and move on, but it was far from "inside baseball." It was well known and had implications for how the institution was lead and governed.
Sure, but the people who remember won't be booing loud enough to be heard over the majority.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2025, 09:42:39 AMSure, but the people who remember won't be booing loud enough to be heard over the majority.
I don't disagree with that.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2025, 09:42:39 AMSure, but the people who remember won't be booing loud enough to be heard over the majority.
What? You don't think the vesties can boo loud enough?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 14, 2025, 09:47:24 AMWhat? You don't think the vesties can boo loud enough?
I think the vesties didn't see a problem
Quote from: The Sultan on November 14, 2025, 09:34:09 AMBut that's way different than "inside baseball," which implies that only insiders knew what was actually going on. Sure people forget and move on, but it was far from "inside baseball." It was well known and had implications for how the institution was lead and governed.
Inside baseball doesn't equal "secret baseball" as I'd use the phrase.
Yes, thousands read the articles. Very few remember any of it -- because of the distance of years, because of the constant onslaught of scandal, and yeah, because it's unpleasant and most alumni are happy to memory hole that -- and none of it happened on the court.
In honesty .. I barely recall any of this.
I look very fondly at the Buzz era and "count on" MUScoop to remind me how I should not. :-\
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2025, 09:42:39 AMSure, but the people who remember won't be booing loud enough to be heard over the majority.
Agreed. My prediction for the Buzz reaction:
Mostly Indifferent: ~14,000 fans
Mild Boos (Buzz left for VT): ~1,000 fans
Loud Boos (Buzz = slimeball): 12 scoopers
The guy did coach here several more seasons after these incidents and I didn't notice the average fan changing their opinion much of him as a result during that time.
Not much different than any other opposing coach.
I think it will be mostly cheers. Jerel's jersey is being retired, and people are generally respectful. They'll see no reason to act up when it's Jerel's day, not Buzz's.
I won't boo. I won't cheer.
I'll give a nice short little clap and move on. Hoping the crowd and particularly the student section is more focused on the win than the boo'ing of Buzz but I'm guessing it won't be. Most of the kids in the student section probably have little recollection of Buzz at MU but the easy thing for them to do will be boo.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 14, 2025, 10:56:57 AMI won't boo. I won't cheer.
I'll give a nice short little clap and move on. Hoping the crowd and particularly the student section is more focused on the win than the boo'ing of Buzz but I'm guessing it won't be. Most of the kids in the student section probably have little recollection of Buzz at MU but the easy thing for them to do will be boo.
I would guess a good portion of the students will have no idea who Buzz even is.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 14, 2025, 10:00:34 AMInside baseball doesn't equal "secret baseball" as I'd use the phrase.
Yes, thousands read the articles. Very few remember any of it -- because of the distance of years, because of the constant onslaught of scandal, and yeah, because it's unpleasant and most alumni are happy to memory hole that -- and none of it happened on the court.
In honesty .. I barely recall any of this.
I look very fondly at the Buzz era and "count on" MUScoop to remind me how I should not. :-\
Oh C'mon! This ranks right up there with the Paterno/Sandusky scandal at Penn State. Buzz was a sleaze ball, but we won games on the basketball court and that is all that matters.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 14, 2025, 08:44:36 AMThere were articles about this stuff in the Chicago Tribune and New York Times.
...credible journalism?
Quote from: Viper on November 14, 2025, 11:15:06 AM...credible journalism?
Well, they don't have Megyn Kelly's sex crimes expertise, but they're pretty good.
Quote from: Viper on November 14, 2025, 11:15:06 AM...credible journalism?
News outlets that confirm your biases = credible.
News outlets that report facts you don't like = not credible.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 14, 2025, 11:24:08 AMWell, they don't have Megyn Kelly's sex crimes expertise, but they're pretty good.
There's a difference between diddling a 5 year-old and a 15 year-old
I met Buzz at the midnight madness a couple of different years and had extremely positive interactions (along with very positive interactions with Jimmy Butler, Lazar, etc.)
Someone said Buzz was a bad fit for MU...maybe between him and the admin, but from a purely basketball perspective I can't disagree more. His teams played hard for him and when we could actually score more than 40 points (Syracuse Elite 8 game 2013...still hurts) were a nightmare to play against.
Clearly, he made some big mistakes while at MU that have slightly tarnished his legacy. I think it's fair to reminisce about his time here while keeping in mind those faults. I won't be at the game but I would definitely be clapping.
The most successful Marquette coach since Al. All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in. Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.
I think if Shaka stays he is will attain that level and hopefully more.
Quote from: Farley36 on November 14, 2025, 12:52:37 PMThe most successful Marquette coach since Al. All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in. Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.
Turds of a feather, plop together, I guess.
Don't forget to flush, loser.
Quote from: Farley36 on November 14, 2025, 12:52:37 PMThe most successful Marquette coach since Al. All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in. Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.
I don't know that there's much of a gap if any. A pair of 2 seeds and a Big East championship and BET championship is up there. Other than an Elite 8 (big caveat) I'd say Shaka is ahead.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 14, 2025, 01:35:25 PMI don't know that there's much of a gap if any. A pair of 2 seeds and a Big East championship and BET championship is up there. Other than an Elite 8 (big caveat) I'd say Shaka is ahead.
Buzz leads in damage to the university which is a plus for some
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 14, 2025, 09:27:59 AMWell, rape is legal now, I think
If you home grown christian, yes
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 14, 2025, 10:56:57 AMI won't boo. I won't cheer.
I'll give a nice short little clap and move on. Hoping the crowd and particularly the student section is more focused on the win than the boo'ing of Buzz but I'm guessing it won't be. Most of the kids in the student section probably have little recollection of Buzz at MU but the easy thing for them to do will be boo.
The MU student section would boo the Pope if he coached the opposing team.
Quote from: Badgerhater on November 14, 2025, 03:16:32 PMThe MU student section would boo the Pope if he coached the opposing team.
Especially Kentucky.
Quote from: Farley36 on November 14, 2025, 12:52:37 PMThe most successful Marquette coach since Al. All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in. Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.
2012 and 2024 were comparable but edge to 2024 for better seed.
2010 and last year were comparable edge to 2010 for better seed
2022 and 2011 were comparable. If you grade regular season edge to 2022 if you grade March edge to 2011.
2023 & 2013 were comparable and again it depends on your opinion of conference tournament championship & higher seed vs elite 8.
Really all Shaka needs is to have a comparable year to 2009 and have horrible year despite having an unbelievably experienced team of a 6th year SR, 2 5th yr seniors, a regular senior and 2 juniors who all played under his system for years and years.
Buzz catching 4.5 against his former school
#Gap
Quote from: tower912 on November 14, 2025, 03:19:55 PMEspecially Kentucky.
Incidently, met Coach Pope a few weeks ago. Nice guy.
Quote from: Farley36 on November 14, 2025, 12:52:37 PMThe most successful Marquette coach since Al. All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in. Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 14, 2025, 01:11:52 PMTurds of a feather, plop together, I guess.
You can dislike Buzz (I do) and really like Shaka (again, I do) and still acknowledge that Farley's post is pretty much true. The double-BEast championship was fantastic. But I have to assume that even Shaka has his sights set higher.
Quote from: Badgerhater on November 14, 2025, 03:16:32 PMThe MU student section would boo the Pope if he coached the opposing team.
Cause the Pope is woke.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 14, 2025, 05:19:22 AMWhat is being criticized is off the court stuff that was well documented and part of a headline story that caused embarrassment to the university and harm to its students.
It has nothing to do with an anonymous message board. Jeez.
The current administration may have chosen Jerel's number retirement ceremony during this game since Buzz was his coach. If you do not forgive Buzz then do the right thing and do not boo him so Jerel can have his day with nothing tarnishing it.
I forgot about the 2010 and 2011 incidents which were very bad - well beyond a coach's eccentricities, and questionable decisions by the staff and the athletes. I should not have forgotten about those incidents as that is disrespectful to the victims.
If you do not forgive Buzz, fine. But, few fans are going to recall what happened 15 years ago, when it was clearly hidden as best as possible, and booing will be seen by 99.99% of the audience as Marquette fans not liking Buzz because he chose to move on. The booing will not be seen as a tribute to the victims - so let Jerel have his day, untarnished.
Quote from: The_Blaze on November 14, 2025, 05:14:24 PMThe current administration may have chosen Jerel's number retirement ceremony during this game since Buzz was his coach. If you do not forgive Buzz then do the right thing and do not boo him so Jerel can have his day with nothing tarnishing it.
I forgot about the 2010 and 2011 incidents which were very bad - well beyond a coach's eccentricities, and questionable decisions by the staff and the athletes. I should not have forgotten about those incidents as that is disrespectful to the victims.
If you do not forgive Buzz, fine. But, few fans are going to recall what happened 15 years ago, when it was clearly hidden as best as possible, and booing will be seen by 99.99% of the audience as Marquette fans not liking Buzz because he chose to move on. The booing will not be seen as a tribute to the victims - so let Jerel have his day, untarnished.
Counterpoint: Who cares what people think if you boo
Quote from: The_Blaze on November 14, 2025, 05:14:24 PMThe current administration may have chosen Jerel's number retirement ceremony during this game since Buzz was his coach. If you do not forgive Buzz then do the right thing and do not boo him so Jerel can have his day with nothing tarnishing it.
I forgot about the 2010 and 2011 incidents which were very bad - well beyond a coach's eccentricities, and questionable decisions by the staff and the athletes. I should not have forgotten about those incidents as that is disrespectful to the victims.
If you do not forgive Buzz, fine. But, few fans are going to recall what happened 15 years ago, when it was clearly hidden as best as possible, and booing will be seen by 99.99% of the audience as Marquette fans not liking Buzz because he chose to move on. The booing will not be seen as a tribute to the victims - so let Jerel have his day, untarnished.
As long as we cheer loud as hell for Jerel, I doubt he'll care.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 14, 2025, 05:38:31 PMAs long as we cheer loud as hell for Jerel, I doubt he'll care.
Buzz was his coach for 2 years and his head coach his final year at MU so Jerel likely would care. And even if I am wrong it still looks bad. I explained why in my last post.
Quote from: The_Blaze on November 14, 2025, 05:52:59 PMBuzz was his coach for 2 years and his head coach his final year at MU so Jerel likely would care. And even if I am wrong it still looks bad. I explained why in my last post.
Oh, no!
reeko wants 2 get blessed by Mark Pope
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 14, 2025, 06:15:40 PMreeko wants 2 get blessed by Mark Pope
I can't believe he got the job over Scott Drew. Meat eaters said it was a done deal.
Quote from: Farley36 on November 14, 2025, 12:52:37 PMThe most successful Marquette coach since Al. All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in. Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.
Buzz, is that you?
I really enjoyed being a Marquette fan during the Buzz years, it was a heckuva lot of fun.
I was kinda ticked when he left, since I had a weird feeling Marquette basketball was going to take a turn for the worst with regards to NCAAt success, and then that indeed happened.
In time, I realized that he wasn't as great of a dude as my mind made him feel like when he was at Marquette and I thought to myself, well it's a good thing he left.
Then I forgot about him outside of following up on some of his schtick pressers and getting a chuckle.
It's about as simple as that for me when it comes to buzz.
Sort of like the gal that tricked you into thinking she was a wholesome family girl until you realized otherwise, but then you look back and appreciate the good times while realizing it's a blessing that you didn't fall for the trap.
Or something like that
Quote from: The_Blaze on November 14, 2025, 05:14:24 PMThe current administration may have chosen Jerel's number retirement ceremony during this game since Buzz was his coach. If you do not forgive Buzz then do the right thing and do not boo him so Jerel can have his day with nothing tarnishing it.
Has Buzz asked for forgiveness?
Quote from: The_Blaze on November 14, 2025, 05:52:59 PMBuzz was his coach for 2 years and his head coach his final year at MU so Jerel likely would care. And even if I am wrong it still looks bad. I explained why in my last post.
Don't worry Ms. Williams. I won't be there.
Quote from: The_Blaze on November 14, 2025, 05:52:59 PMBuzz was his coach for 2 years and his head coach his final year at MU so Jerel likely would care. And even if I am wrong it still looks bad. I explained why in my last post.
It wouldn't look (or sound) bad at all if Marquette fans boo a coach who spurned Marquette and then shat on the Marquette program on his way out the door. The more I think about it, the more disappointed I'll be if MU fans don't boo Buzx.
But of course they should cheer Jerel. It's not an either/or thing.
He's going to be the opposing coach, for the love of pedro. He should be booed for that alone.
The only reason I might not boo him is if I had credible evidence that Jerel is his good buddy, and if I happened to be sitting near Jaxson Davis.
Even then, it'd be tough.
I also wouldn't boo him if I had credible evidence that he had been in rehab.
Because if he had, that means he probably couldn't handle his boos.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 14, 2025, 09:18:54 AMLol. Heavens to betsy, dozens of people will surely remember that.
This is correct. Not to mention, our country has a dozen GALACTICALLY WORSE scandals each month.
Oh no, not Lorne Greene too.
I very much appreciate the achievements of MU b-ball during the Buzz years. I could sense his disengagement during his final year, and I disliked his comments when he left. Once gone, I paid attention to him and where he coached like some relatives. Like, my ex-brother in law went to VT and my distant cousin went to A&M. I've never really cared about those teams but was curious.
Let's kick Maryland's butt tomorrow.
Quote from: mug644 on November 14, 2025, 11:28:19 PMI very much appreciate the achievements of MU b-ball during the Buzz years. I could sense his disengagement during his final year, and I disliked his comments when he left. Once gone, I paid attention to him and where he coached like some relatives. Like, my ex-brother in law went to VT and my distant cousin went to A&M. I've never really cared about those teams but was curious.
Let's kick Maryland's butt tomorrow.
Quote from: mug644 on November 14, 2025, 11:28:19 PMI very much appreciate the achievements of MU b-ball during the Buzz years. I could sense his disengagement during his final year, and I disliked his comments when he left. Once gone, I paid attention to him and where he coached like some relatives. Like, my ex-brother in law went to VT and my distant cousin went to A&M. I've never really cared about those teams but was curious.
Let's kick Maryland's butt tomorrow.
Agree. Got a report Buzz is on the 7th Floor at the Westin Milwaukee tonight. Go Marquette!
"It wouldn't look (or sound) bad at all if Marquette fans boo a coach who spurned Marquette and then shat on the Marquette program on his way out the door. The more I think about it, the more disappointed I'll be if MU fans don't boo Buzx."
Very few are going to recall one comment a coach made when leaving unless it was very bad and it was not.
FWIW, Mike J introduced Killings, "please welcome back former Marquette assistant Dwayne Killings." I'm curious if they will do the same for Buzz...
Will it placate some if I boo loudly when Brent is introduced right before tip-off but stay silent if and when Brent is mentioned before or during McNeal's ceremony?
Quote from: MUDPT on November 15, 2025, 05:31:22 AMFWIW, Mike J introduced Killings, "please welcome back former Marquette assistant Dwayne Killings." I'm curious if they will do the same for Buzz...
Of course he will.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 14, 2025, 06:39:01 PMBuzz, is that you?
I really enjoyed being a Marquette fan during the Buzz years, it was a heckuva lot of fun.
I was kinda ticked when he left, since I had a weird feeling Marquette basketball was going to take a turn for the worst with regards to NCAAt success, and then that indeed happened.
In time, I realized that he wasn't as great of a dude as my mind made him feel like when he was at Marquette and I thought to myself, well it's a good thing he left.
Then I forgot about him outside of following up on some of his schtick pressers and getting a chuckle.
It's about as simple as that for me when it comes to buzz.
Sort of like the gal that tricked you into thinking she was a wholesome family girl until you realized otherwise, but then you look back and appreciate the good times while realizing it's a blessing that you didn't fall for the trap.
Or something like that
Quote from: DoctorV on November 14, 2025, 06:39:01 PMBuzz, is that you?
I really enjoyed being a Marquette fan during the Buzz years, it was a heckuva lot of fun.
I was kinda ticked when he left, since I had a weird feeling Marquette basketball was going to take a turn for the worst with regards to NCAAt success, and then that indeed happened.
In time, I realized that he wasn't as great of a dude as my mind made him feel like when he was at Marquette and I thought to myself, well it's a good thing he left.
Then I forgot about him outside of following up on some of his schtick pressers and getting a chuckle.
It's about as simple as that for me when it comes to buzz.
Sort of like the gal that tricked you into thinking she was a wholesome family girl until you realized otherwise, but then you look back and appreciate the good times while realizing it's a blessing that you didn't fall for the trap.
Or something like that
The downhome lonesome phony cowboy.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 15, 2025, 07:21:17 AMThe downhome lonesome phony cowboy.
Hi, Wilson. If you're at the game, I'd like to buy you a delicious beer. Where will you be sitting?
The point is, how do you know Buzz isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model basketball programs" says Buzz; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's players accused of sexual assault, and your athletic director is gone. I seen it a hundred times.
It would be a great gesture by Marquette if they brought out some of Buzz's Kids in the pregame
Im glad there's almost zero chance we will have this conversation about Wojo.
You would be able to hear the boos atr goolsbys.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 08:20:39 AMIm glad there's almost zero chance we will have this conversation about Wojo.
You would be able to hear the boos atr goolsbys.
When they retire Markus Howard's jersey, that'll be a proxy
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2025, 07:27:28 AMHi, Wilson. If you're at the game, I'd like to buy you a delicious beer. Where will you be sitting?
He will be in the basement with the banner
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2025, 07:27:28 AMHi, Wilson. If you're at the game, I'd like to buy you a delicious beer. Where will you be sitting?
Wait! You're saying there is "delicious" beer at Fiserv?
Better idea-buy a 6 pack of delicious beer and watch the game together in Willie's basement. Cheaper, safer than going out in public in Milwaukee, and the two of you can spend some quality time after the game as well.
Another Dodds punchline. A thread parallel to this popped up on his site. He got into it with a poster (who also posts here) about whether the negative off court stuff was worthy of discussion.
Dodds deleted the entire thread.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 15, 2025, 09:11:40 AMWait! You're saying there is "delicious" beer at Fiserv?
Better idea-buy a 6 pack of delicious beer and watch the game together in Willie's basement. Cheaper, safer than going out in public in Milwaukee, and the two of you can spend some quality time after the game as well.
I just assume a super fan who has been watching Marquette basketball since Taft ascended to the White House (without Nancy Reaganing Bubba) would be at the game
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 15, 2025, 09:11:40 AMWait! You're saying there is "delicious" beer at Fiserv?
Better idea-buy a 6 pack of delicious beer and watch the game together in Willie's basement. Cheaper, safer than going out in public in Milwaukee, and the two of you can spend some quality time after the game as well.
It puts the empties in the basket.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 08:20:39 AMIm glad there's almost zero chance we will have this conversation about Wojo.
You would be able to hear the boos atr goolsbys.
Wojo would not be booed.
Wojo was not the coach we hoped he would be. His tenure did not bring negative publicity related to off court issues to the university.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 15, 2025, 09:53:16 AMWojo would not be booed.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How in 2025 are there any Projo's left. Dude was the worst coach I've seen in my lifetime.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 10:05:49 AM;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How in 2025 are there any Projo's left. Dude was the worst coach I've seen in my lifetime.
What's Projo about saying he wouldn't be booed? He would generate indifference. Like if Mike Deane came back and coached against Marquette.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 10:05:49 AM;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How in 2025 are there any Projo's left. Dude was the worst coach I've seen in my lifetime.
He wouldn't get any sort of ovation. He would be given a polite clap. He wasn't a bad guy...just not a good coach.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/
Mike Deane was a better coach than Wojo.
Mike Deane took over a program that was, for a lack of better words, not in the national spotlight.
Wojo took over a program that went to the NCAA tournament in 8 of the past 9 years. Wojo had not one, but two losing records. (An absolute joke for a top level D1 program) And had a top 10 team entirely team implode under his watch. Hes pure trash.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2025, 10:08:26 AMWhat's Projo about saying he wouldn't be booed? He would generate indifference. Like if Mike Deane came back and coached against Marquette.
IDK why the quote for you went away!
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 10:15:09 AMhttps://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/
Mike Deane was a better coach than Wojo.
Mike Deane took over a program that was, for a lack of better words, not in the national spotlight.
Wojo took over a program that went to the NCAA tournament in 8 of the past 9 years. Wojo had not one, but two losing records. (An absolute joke for a top level D1 program) And had a top 10 team entirely team implode under his watch. Hes pure trash.
He still would not be booed.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 10:15:09 AMhttps://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/
Mike Deane was a better coach than Wojo.
Mike Deane took over a program that was, for a lack of better words, not in the national spotlight.
Wojo took over a program that went to the NCAA tournament in 8 of the past 9 years. Wojo had not one, but two losing records. (An absolute joke for a top level D1 program) And had a top 10 team entirely team implode under his watch. Hes pure trash.
Mike Deane took over a team that had just gone to the Sweet 16.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 15, 2025, 09:53:16 AMWojo would not be booed.
This is correct. He's a nobody.
Nm
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 10:05:49 AM;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
How in 2025 are there any Projo's left. Dude was the worst coach I've seen in my lifetime.
You must not be very old......
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2025, 08:09:07 AMMany I can think of that let me know he just wan't a good guy.
Knowing he would make managers valet park his car in the lot across the street from the Al because he refused to walk to and from, and making admin bring him his meals course by course in front of people was pretty ridiculous. The fact MU staff longed for the Creans compared to Buzz and his wife was telling.
I was at an alumni event in NYC with Buzz as the guest. Huge turnout. He stayed in a segregated area, refusing to talk to anyone before the event, and then he bailed immediately after.
On a personal level, a close MU friend was being ordained as a priest, and I wanted to get him an autographed MU basketball as a gift since our mutual love of MU hoops is how we became friends. Buzz wouldn't do it. He bailed on another alumni event too. I just never felt he embraced what MU was about; he thought he was bigger than MU.
I think Chicos used to say similar things about Buzz.
Quote from: MuMark on November 15, 2025, 11:37:58 AMYou must not be very old......
Or your too old! First coach of my lifetime was Deane.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 11:48:38 AMOr your too old! First coach of my lifetime was Deane.
The list of college basketball coaches much worse than Wojo is very long and can be found in the recent past.
You don't have to be old or an MU fan to know this.
Ask DePaul fans......Kentucky fans, Louisville fans......or Georgetown fans they can fill you in......
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 10:15:09 AMhttps://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/
Mike Deane was a better coach than Wojo.
Mike Deane took over a program that was, for a lack of better words, not in the national spotlight.
Wojo took over a program that went to the NCAA tournament in 8 of the past 9 years. Wojo had not one, but two losing records. (An absolute joke for a top level D1 program) And had a top 10 team entirely team implode under his watch. Hes pure trash.
Woj took over a hot mess. Did some good things at MU, just not enough.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on November 15, 2025, 11:48:38 AMOr your too old! First coach of my lifetime was Deane.
*you're
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2025, 10:22:33 AMMike Deane took over a team that had just gone to the Sweet 16.
Facts no matta on Scoop
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 15, 2025, 12:55:51 PMFacts no matta on Scoop
Unleash is a good poster. He's just wrong on this.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2025, 12:57:26 PMUnleash is a good poster. He's just wrong on this.
Just saying...
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 14, 2025, 01:35:25 PMI don't know that there's much of a gap if any. A pair of 2 seeds and a Big East championship and BET championship is up there. Other than an Elite 8 (big caveat) I'd say Shaka is ahead.
Plus Buzz inherited a loaded team from Crean that had made the tournament three straight times. Shaka inherited one proven player, two recruits who became great players, and a guy who barely played as a freshman who he turned into an NBA player. He had to go out and get Morsell, Kuath, Kolek, and O-Max.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on November 15, 2025, 01:26:51 PMPlus Buzz inherited a loaded team from Crean that had made the tournament three straight times. Shaka inherited one proven player, two recruits who became great players, and a guy who barely played as a freshman who he turned into an NBA player. He had to go out and get Morsell, Kuath, Kolek, and O-Max.
Not sure why Shaka rarely gets credit for re-recruiting Oso, Kam, and Stevie.
Quote from: We R Final Four on November 15, 2025, 11:40:23 AMI think Chicos used to say similar things about Buzz.
We have talked and I know he wasn't a fan, and it appears we are not the only two
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 15, 2025, 04:22:15 PMWe have talked and I know he wasn't a fan, and it appears we are not the only two
Beer summit?
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 15, 2025, 04:49:08 PMBeer summit?
Met up at NBA All Star weekend a few years ago. No beer though.
Quote from: MuMark on November 15, 2025, 11:56:06 AMThe list of college basketball coaches much worse than Wojo is very long and can be found in the recent past.
You don't have to be old or an MU fan to know this.
Ask DePaul fans......Kentucky fans, Louisville fans......or Georgetown fans they can fill you in......
Not sure what any of those guys have to do with marquette.
Unless for some reason you assumed I meant outside of marquette, which would be insane with the context.
However in that case, my middle school coach was overly bad.
Also didn't check any other posts yet, but the boos for Buzz were VERY audible.