Wow. Where exactly do you sell this stuff if the thieves never get caught?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 11:51:49 AMWow. Where exactly do you sell this stuff if the thieves never get caught?
Probably should watch Lupin.
Crap! I knew that deal on Ebay was too good to be true. Cops just pulled up in our drive.
You win some, you Louvre some.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 11:51:49 AMWow. Where exactly do you sell this stuff if the thieves never get caught?
Some rich person with loose morals
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on October 19, 2025, 01:27:42 PMSome rich person with loose morals
Plenty of those in America
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2025, 01:34:12 PMPlenty of those in America
We're not the only country with assheads. Far from it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 02:09:27 PMWe're not the only country with assheads. Far from it.
Ours just happen to support fascists
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2025, 02:12:48 PMOurs just happen to support fascists
What
IS it with you picking on fascists? Some of my best friends are fascists.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 19, 2025, 02:22:55 PMWhat IS it with you picking on fascists? Some of my best friends are fascists.
There's a lot of them in this country. Just glad to see all the anti fascists across the country yesterday.
This could have been prevented if we had launched a preemptive air strike on the louvre
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 19, 2025, 03:32:08 PMThis could have been prevented if we had launched a preemptive air strike on the louvre
Just hope the thieves were transgender
The police are all over this.
https://bsky.app/profile/mags.colvett.online/post/3m3lhyqc3us2y
Quote from: The Sultan on October 19, 2025, 06:53:23 PMThe police are all over this.
https://bsky.app/profile/mags.colvett.online/post/3m3lhyqc3us2y
RIP Peter Sellers.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2025, 01:34:12 PMPlenty of those in America
George Soros is fencing the jewelry?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 07:27:30 PMRIP Peter Sellers.
Dude, your
very clever post is not welcome where people are making serious political statements.
And FYI, my dog does not bite.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 19, 2025, 08:18:45 PMDude, your very clever post is not welcome where people are making serious political statements.
And FYI, my dog does not bite.
Mr.Sellers was immensely talented. What a terrible loss. Maybe that dog led to some heart problems. :(
Muggsy, what would your 5 pt plan be to rob the Louvre
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 19, 2025, 08:55:31 PMMuggsy, what would your 5 pt plan be to rob the Louvre
Walking under the lasers standing up completely straight
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 19, 2025, 08:55:31 PMMuggsy, what would your 5 pt plan be to rob the Louvre
Is there something specifically that you want other than the Mona Lisa?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 09:21:04 PMIs there something specifically that you want other than the Mona Lisa?
The building to detonate
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 09:21:04 PMIs there something specifically that you want other than the Mona Lisa?
Just for the love of the game
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 19, 2025, 09:30:33 PMJust for the love of the game
Well, I'm pretty sure I could annoy many members of the security team and create diversions. But I would need a few no nonsense problem solvers because I don't like ladders.
I'm a louvre, not a fighter.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 09:42:21 PMWell, I'm pretty sure I could annoy many members of the security team and create diversions. But I would need a few no nonsense problem solvers because I don't like ladders.
How else do you reach the kitchen counter
Quote from: MU1in77 on October 19, 2025, 08:06:55 PMGeorge Soros is fencing the jewelry?
I hope so. I wouldn't want his check to me to bounce.
Quote from: tower912 on October 20, 2025, 06:20:37 AMI hope so. I wouldn't want his check to me to bounce.
Got my sweet protest deposit this morning!
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 09:42:21 PMWell, I'm pretty sure I could annoy many members of the security team and create diversions. But I would need a few no nonsense problem solvers because I don't like ladders.
When I think of no nonsense problem solvers, I think of Scoop
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 08:27:58 PMMr.Sellers was immensely talented. What a terrible loss. Maybe that dog led to some heart problems. :(
Being There is one of the great movies of his. Very prescient for our times still.
The fact that the Louvre heist didn't take place at dawn, but at the very reasonable hour of 9:30 a.m. shows that even French jewel thieves have a better work-life balance than us.�
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 20, 2025, 11:54:27 AMThe fact that the Louvre heist didn't take place at dawn, but at the very reasonable hour of 9:30 a.m. shows that even French jewel thieves have a better work-life balance than us.�
Are we sure that the jewel thieves were French? People are saying it was antifa, with Soros' backing.
Quote from: MU82 on October 20, 2025, 12:19:11 PMAre we sure that the jewel thieves were French? People are saying it was antifa, with Soros' backing.
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Where was Danny Ocean and Rusty?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 19, 2025, 09:42:21 PMWell, I'm pretty sure I could annoy many members of the security team and create diversions. But I would need a few no nonsense problem solvers because I don't like ladders.
I have absolutely no doubt that you could annoy
anyone and create diversions. You do both on Scoop on a daily basis.
Quote from: pbiflyer on October 20, 2025, 11:54:27 AMThe fact that the Louvre heist didn't take place at dawn, but at the very reasonable hour of 9:30 a.m. shows that even French jewel thieves have a better work-life balance than us.�
They had coffee and croissants before the robbery and probably took a stroll along the Seine before going to work for the day. Very civilized, methinks.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 20, 2025, 05:34:37 PMThey had coffee and croissants before the robbery and probably took a stroll along the Seine before going to work for the day. Very civilized, methinks.
It's just going to be very hard to follow the trail after they've been on vacation for 3 months
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 20, 2025, 08:07:41 AMBeing There is one of the great movies of his. Very prescient for our times still.
Very good film and performance. But Sellers was a tier 1 comedic actor. Very few were/are at his super elite level.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 20, 2025, 05:30:31 PMI have absolutely no doubt that you could annoy anyone and create diversions. You do both on Scoop on a daily basis.
This just proves you're severely unhinged. And it's why I purposely try not to annoy you. I don't want to put you in the hospital (or worse), so I dial down my relentless perstiferousness. I've never even tried to annoy you. So be grateful, thank me profusely, and hope beyond hope I don't use all the weapons at my disposal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 20, 2025, 06:54:31 PMThis just proves you're severely unhinged. And it's why I purposely try not to annoy you. I don't want to put you in the hospital (or worse), so I dial down my relentless perstiferousness. I've never even tried to annoy you. So be grateful, thank me profusely, and hope beyond hope I don't use all the weapons at my disposal.
;D ;D ;D
Classic example of projection.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 20, 2025, 08:08:32 PM;D ;D ;D
Classic example of projection.
Diminutive citizens literally can't project according to Scoop members.
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 19, 2025, 08:55:31 PMMuggsy, what would your 5 pt plan be to rob the Louvre
My one-point plan would be to wait until a value has been established, and then offer to return the loot for 10%,,
No Questions Asked, no prosecution.
Edit: And the police have to give me my ladder rig back. It's a really nice one.
I'm mostly just impressed that someone was able to find what they were looking for in the Louvre.�
Stolen from the internet (shouldn't all comments about the jewel heist be?)
Someone should make a t-shirt that says: "Jewel heists are for Louvres."
It sounds like the Louvre security was nowhere near where it should be.
5 best heist/robbery flicks?
I would still probably slot The Sting #1.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 21, 2025, 10:35:41 PM5 best heist/robbery flicks?
I would still probably slot The Sting #1.
I figured you'd like The Big Short
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 21, 2025, 10:45:16 PMI figured you'd like The Big Short
Mediocre. And I don't think that's the same genre.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 21, 2025, 10:49:52 PMMediocre. And I don't think that's the same genre.
You're right. Nobody got away with anyone's wealth or money in the financial crisis.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 21, 2025, 10:50:49 PMYou're right. Nobody got away with anyone's wealth or money in the financial crisis.
It's not the same thing and we're talking about movies.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 21, 2025, 10:54:27 PMIt's not the same thing and we're talking about movies.
I'm talking about a movie too
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 22, 2025, 12:39:30 AMI'm talking about a movie too
I consider it a documentary and it's a great movie because the bad guys won
Inside Man
Lot of really interesting facets to this robbery (no pun intended). But the biggest tragedy, if it was indeed originals that were stolen and won't be recovered, is it nearly ALWAYS leads to the end of the items and/or precious stones.
Hundreds of years ago, even decades, things would get stolen and then randomly appear in a collection when someone died, a house of a collector was sold, or even when items would reappear for sale. Some of the worlds largest or most famous diamonds were "lost" and then found that way. But there is no rich or notable collector that either wants to buy something this hot that they can't display or even if its broken up, the technology is such that the stones will be easily able to be traced back to the stolen item.
So what ends up happening is the stones are recut. So a magnificent huge historical emerald or ruby or diamond that size of a golf ball gets cut into numerous smaller stones and sold that way. Diamonds can still be tricky when it comes to origin and provenance, especially in stones of that size, as big stones are pretty well known once they come out of the ground, much less polished. But the colored gemstones trade is literally the Wild West. A massive rough or polished diamond comes out and a big deal is made of the mine where it was found and who bought and cut the rough. Yet every year massive colored gemstones appear and MAYBE they know what country it came from, cause it passes through so many hands going to market.
Hopefully they are found, but every day that passes, the chances of recovery plummets. The irony is those stones, especially the emeralds, are going to end up as smaller stones in the hands of random every day consumers who don't know that their 1-2 carat emerald recut from a stolen necklace commissioned by Napoleon is any different than another emerald in the store mined normally in Colombia.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 22, 2025, 02:01:15 PMLot of really interesting facets to this robbery (no pun intended). But the biggest tragedy, if it was indeed originals that were stolen and won't be recovered, is it nearly ALWAYS leads to the end of the items and/or precious stones.
Hundreds of years ago, even decades, things would get stolen and then randomly appear in a collection when someone died, a house of a collector was sold, or even when items would reappear for sale. Some of the worlds largest or most famous diamonds were "lost" and then found that way. But there is no rich or notable collector that either wants to buy something this hot that they can't display or even if its broken up, the technology is such that the stones will be easily able to be traced back to the stolen item.
So what ends up happening is the stones are recut. So a magnificent huge historical emerald or ruby or diamond that size of a golf ball gets cut into numerous smaller stones and sold that way. Diamonds can still be tricky when it comes to origin and provenance, especially in stones of that size, as big stones are pretty well known once they come out of the ground, much less polished. But the colored gemstones trade is literally the Wild West. A massive rough or polished diamond comes out and a big deal is made of the mine where it was found and who bought and cut the rough. Yet every year massive colored gemstones appear and MAYBE they know what country it came from, cause it passes through so many hands going to market.
Hopefully they are found, but every day that passes, the chances of recovery plummets. The irony is those stones, especially the emeralds, are going to end up as smaller stones in the hands of random every day consumers who don't know that their 1-2 carat emerald recut from a stolen necklace commissioned by Napoleon is any different than another emerald in the store mined normally in Colombia.
And that's why I only buy conflict diamonds
Quote from: JWags85 on October 22, 2025, 02:01:15 PMLot of really interesting facets to this robbery (no pun intended). But the biggest tragedy, if it was indeed originals that were stolen and won't be recovered, is it nearly ALWAYS leads to the end of the items and/or precious stones.
Hundreds of years ago, even decades, things would get stolen and then randomly appear in a collection when someone died, a house of a collector was sold, or even when items would reappear for sale. Some of the worlds largest or most famous diamonds were "lost" and then found that way. But there is no rich or notable collector that either wants to buy something this hot that they can't display or even if its broken up, the technology is such that the stones will be easily able to be traced back to the stolen item.
So what ends up happening is the stones are recut. So a magnificent huge historical emerald or ruby or diamond that size of a golf ball gets cut into numerous smaller stones and sold that way. Diamonds can still be tricky when it comes to origin and provenance, especially in stones of that size, as big stones are pretty well known once they come out of the ground, much less polished. But the colored gemstones trade is literally the Wild West. A massive rough or polished diamond comes out and a big deal is made of the mine where it was found and who bought and cut the rough. Yet every year massive colored gemstones appear and MAYBE they know what country it came from, cause it passes through so many hands going to market.
Hopefully they are found, but every day that passes, the chances of recovery plummets. The irony is those stones, especially the emeralds, are going to end up as smaller stones in the hands of random every day consumers who don't know that their 1-2 carat emerald recut from a stolen necklace commissioned by Napoleon is any different than another emerald in the store mined normally in Colombia.
Or in Swiss vaults
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 22, 2025, 03:37:32 PMOr in Swiss vaults
Its not highly publicized, but most of the major Swiss institutions require documentation surrounding gems and jewelry. They are happy to be aloof and unbothered about the flow of funds into the accounts, but they don't like to be sitting on stolen goods or artwork. There was a fairly large rough diamond that was stolen about 20 years ago from an auction in Antwerp. Inside job with armored car and some swapping. The thieves got away pretty cleanly for about 9 months.
Unbeknownst to most, they didn't polish it but basically cleaved it into 2 pieces. One was sold to a dealer in London who contacted DeBeers when his buyer fell through (once their monopoly broke down, DeBeers for awhile was pretty obsessive about buying any large rough diamonds discovered anywhere outside of their mines. Not for any real reason other than pride). He was directed to the executive at DeBeers who headed up their rough sourcing operations at the time, who is a family friend. The Debeers exec, coincidentally, was contacted the same week by one of the prestigious Swiss banks who had someone who had deposited/wanted to a hold a large rough diamond there but couldn't provide any sort of purchase/chain of custody info. The Debeers exec flew down, with the other half of the rough diamond, and basically place them together and see it was two parts of the original stolen stone.
Real National Treasure/James Bond crap, but totally true. The Debeers guy was basically the point man for finding any of the aforementioned large rough stones and acquiring them for the company, originally in the time before smartphones and the internet. So it was a lot of flying to places in Europe/Africa and using connections and friends/associates cultivated over decades. The man has the most insane stories. He has one about Idi Amin, a Ugandan diamond mine, and using a satellite phone while hiding in a bush away from armed militants distracted by a friendly soldier who he bribed that makes Solomon Vandy and Blood Diamond sound like poorly written African conflict fan fiction.
But yea, long story short, Swiss banks aren't your sealed lip confidant for expensive stolen gems unless MAYBE you're a long standing customer of theirs with tons of other assets under their protection. But most jewel thieves, even the best ones, aren't super wealthy dudes like Francois Toulour.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 22, 2025, 04:32:33 PMIts not highly publicized, but most of the major Swiss institutions require documentation surrounding gems and jewelry. They are happy to be aloof and unbothered about the flow of funds into the accounts, but they don't like to be sitting on stolen goods or artwork. There was a fairly large rough diamond that was stolen about 20 years ago from an auction in Antwerp. Inside job with armored car and some swapping. The thieves got away pretty cleanly for about 9 months.
Unbeknownst to most, they didn't polish it but basically cleaved it into 2 pieces. One was sold to a dealer in London who contacted DeBeers when his buyer fell through (once their monopoly broke down, DeBeers for awhile was pretty obsessive about buying any large rough diamonds discovered anywhere outside of their mines. Not for any real reason other than pride). He was directed to the executive at DeBeers who headed up their rough sourcing operations at the time, who is a family friend. The Debeers exec, coincidentally, was contacted the same week by one of the prestigious Swiss banks who had someone who had deposited/wanted to a hold a large rough diamond there but couldn't provide any sort of purchase/chain of custody info. The Debeers exec flew down, with the other half of the rough diamond, and basically place them together and see it was two parts of the original stolen stone.
Real National Treasure/James Bond crap, but totally true. The Debeers guy was basically the point man for finding any of the aforementioned large rough stones and acquiring them for the company, originally in the time before smartphones and the internet. So it was a lot of flying to places in Europe/Africa and using connections and friends/associates cultivated over decades. The man has the most insane stories. He has one about Idi Amin, a Ugandan diamond mine, and using a satellite phone while hiding in a bush away from armed militants distracted by a friendly soldier who he bribed that makes Solomon Vandy and Blood Diamond sound like poorly written fan African conflict fiction.
But yea, long story short, Swiss banks aren't your sealed lip confidant for expensive stolen gems unless MAYBE you're a long standing customer of theirs with tons of other assets under their protection. But most jewel thieves, even the best ones, aren't super wealthy dudes like Francois Toulour.
Irish vaults probably more affordable anyway
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 22, 2025, 05:00:15 PMIrish vaults probably more affordable anyway
Irish you wouldn't have said that.