Shaka makes top 10.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/candid-coaches-if-your-son-played-college-basketball-who-would-you-want-him-to-spend-four-years-with/
Normally, that would be a cool thing.
But then I see Kelvin Sampson, Scott Drew, Todd Golden and Tom Izzo on the list and I'm like...ewwww
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on October 08, 2025, 08:37:36 PMNormally, that would be a cool thing.
But then I see Kelvin Sampson, Scott Drew, Todd Golden and Tom Izzo on the list and I'm like...ewwww
Sampson texted recruits. The others, yeah.
Painter being the top pick by a long shot makes sense. He is a class act.
Nice. Shaka's exactly the kind of coach I'd want my son or grandson to play for.
Given that the question is specifically about playing 4 years for one coach, Shaka and Painter should be 1-2 in some order because they aren't looking to bring in 4, 6, 8 transfers every year.
Where'd Wardle land?
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on October 08, 2025, 08:37:36 PMNormally, that would be a cool thing.
But then I see Kelvin Sampson, Scott Drew, Todd Golden and Tom Izzo on the list and I'm like...ewwww
Don't know enough about Golden but I get the other three
Quote from: BM1090 on October 08, 2025, 11:38:51 PMDon't know enough about Golden but I get the other three
You missed the allegations that he stalked and sent dick pics to undergrads? Or the allegation that one of his assistants sexually assaulted another employee?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 08, 2025, 11:53:17 PMYou missed the allegations that he stalked and sent dick pics to undergrads? Or the allegation that one of his assistants sexually assaulted another employee?
I knew loosely that there were some stories around weird behavior but didn't know more than that.
Crazy behavior. Feels like a clear fireable offense
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on October 08, 2025, 08:37:36 PMNormally, that would be a cool thing.
But then I see Kelvin Sampson, Scott Drew, Todd Golden and Tom Izzo on the list and I'm like...ewwww
What's wrong with Sampson?
Quote from: The Sultan on October 09, 2025, 04:04:05 AMWhat's wrong with Sampson?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Sampson
No other Big East coaches on that list. The GAP widens.
Quote from: TedBaxter on October 09, 2025, 06:59:38 AMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Sampson
He called recruits too much. Oh no!
He recruited a player who backed out of a verbal commitment elsewhere. The horror!
Do you know how laughable those look 20+ years later?
Quote from: The Sultan on October 09, 2025, 08:12:08 AMHe called recruits too much. Oh no!
He recruited a player who backed out of a verbal commitment elsewhere. The horror!
Do you know how laughable those look 20+ years later?
He told the recruits that what he was doing was impermissible and to lie to NCAA investigators if contacted. No big deal, right? I mean, at least Pearl just told his assistants to lie after a kid who was told he couldn't go to Pearl's house showed up anyway.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 09, 2025, 08:18:05 AMHe told the recruits that what he was doing was impermissible and to lie to NCAA investigators if contacted. No big deal, right? I mean, at least Pearl just told his assistants to lie after a kid who was told he couldn't go to Pearl's house showed up anyway.
I don't think that coaches should be defined by relatively harmless incidents that occurred before current recruits were even born. More importantly, its clear that recruits and their families don't seem to give a rip either. What they care about is helping them improve as a player, getting paid, and getting a degree. Sampson has shown the ability to do those things.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 09, 2025, 08:38:52 AMI don't think that coaches should be defined by relatively harmless incidents that occurred before current recruits were even born. More importantly, its clear that recruits and their families don't seem to give a rip either. What they care about is helping them improve as a player, getting paid, and getting a degree. Sampson has shown the ability to do those things.
that he would instruct high school kids to lie to cover up what he told them was impermissible conduct he was engaged in shows his character and the kind of lessons he'll teach kids. Unfortunately for him, one of the recruits was willing to tell the truth and out him.
Sampson also turned a blind eye to rampant drug use and multiple failed drug tests among his players at IU (all but two had positive tests - DJ White and Eric Gordon). And yet Izzo yelling at his players while never committing a Level I or II violation is somehow worse than that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 09, 2025, 09:02:52 AMthat he would instruct high school kids to lie to cover up what he told them was impermissible conduct he was engaged in shows his character and the kind of lessons he'll teach kids. Unfortunately for him, one of the recruits was willing to tell the truth and out him.
Sampson also turned a blind eye to rampant drug use and multiple failed drug tests among his players at IU (all but two had positive tests - DJ White and Eric Gordon). And yet Izzo yelling at his players while never committing a Level I or II violation is somehow worse than that.
Oh, Izzo has other skellies.
I would want my son to play for hologram AI Bobby Knight.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on October 09, 2025, 09:06:42 AMOh, Izzo has other skellies.
You mean the rapes and rape coverups
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 09, 2025, 09:02:52 AMthat he would instruct high school kids to lie to cover up what he told them was impermissible conduct he was engaged in shows his character and the kind of lessons he'll teach kids. Unfortunately for him, one of the recruits was willing to tell the truth and out him.
Sampson also turned a blind eye to rampant drug use and multiple failed drug tests among his players at IU (all but two had positive tests - DJ White and Eric Gordon). And yet Izzo yelling at his players while never committing a Level I or II violation is somehow worse than that.
Uh...Izzo has other skeletons in his closet.
Anyway, you seem to think I am absolving Sampson for all his past sins. I most certainly am not. I am saying his violations were relatively minor and happened a long time ago. It seems like he has learned from them and has run a successful program at Houston since then. I can most definitely see why coaches would want their kids to play for him.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 09, 2025, 09:02:52 AMthat he would instruct high school kids to lie to cover up what he told them was impermissible conduct he was engaged in shows his character and the kind of lessons he'll teach kids. Unfortunately for him, one of the recruits was willing to tell the truth and out him.
Sampson also turned a blind eye to rampant drug use and multiple failed drug tests among his players at IU (all but two had positive tests - DJ White and Eric Gordon). And yet Izzo yelling at his players while never committing a Level I or II violation is somehow worse than that.
I'm certain those are the only two college basketball players who were smoking marijuana.
Quote from: tower912 on October 09, 2025, 09:08:48 AMI would want my son to play for hologram AI Bobby Knight.
A hologram AI of Bobby is a
great idea! I think you should not only form a committee to make this happen, but you should chair it also.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 09, 2025, 10:21:37 AMA hologram AI of Bobby is a great idea! I think you should not only form a committee to make this happen, but you should chair it also.
haha
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 09, 2025, 10:21:37 AMA hologram AI of Bobby is a great idea! I think you should not only form a committee to make this happen, but you should chair it also.
He wouldn't want to be thrown around like that.
Only if I get to work with Neil Reed.
You'd never get college coaches to go on record with this, but who do you think they'd say if the question asked which coach you DONT want your son to play for?
Quote from: The Sultan on October 09, 2025, 08:12:08 AMHe called recruits too much. Oh no!
He recruited a player who backed out of a verbal commitment elsewhere. The horror!
Do you know how laughable those look 20+ years later?
Prior to the findings by the NCAA, Kelvin Sampson was the President of the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC), an organization that supports basketball coaches across the country. During his tenure the Ethics Committee of the NABC was formed to address the many problems with violations that college basketball faced going into the 2003 season. That very same Ethics Committee would later reprimand Kelvin Sampson as a result of the NCAA findings, placing him on probation for three years, during which time he would not be eligible to serve in any official capacity for the NABC, be considered for Coach of the Year honors, or receive Final Four ticket privileges.[27]
As coach at Indiana in October 2007, Sampson again came under scrutiny for making impermissible phone calls. Despite being restricted from making any outbound recruiting phone calls, Sampson participated in approximately 10 conference calls with recruits that violate the terms of the sanctions levied against him by the NCAA. IU assistant Rob Senderoff (who later resigned) also made some 35 impermissible phone calls to recruits from his home. On February 8, 2008, the NCAA informed Indiana that Sampson had committed five "major" rules violations. The NCAA alleged that Sampson knowingly violated telephone recruiting restrictions imposed on him. More seriously, the NCAA also alleged that Sampson lied to IU and NCAA officials regarding his involvement in the impermissible calls.[28]Whether anyone thinks this is a big deal or not now, he was head of the NABC when they formed the Ethics Committee and he was breaking the rules. That still hangs over him in other coaches eyes just like it did with Bruce Pearl.
Cool.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2025, 09:55:25 AMI'm certain those are the only two college basketball players who were smoking marijuana.
I don't care about athletics smoking weed (and it was those two are the only ones who didn't have a positive test). It was the ordering of the IU training room to ignore and bury the positive tests, something that Syracuse got nailed for. Again, character issues:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1091853-syracuse-basketball-report-claims-school-violated-internal-drug-policy#:~:text=Syracuse%20Basketball:%20Report%20Claims%20School%20Violated%20Internal%20Drug%20Policy,-Adam%20WellsJun&text=Syracuse%20basketball%20again%20finds%20itself,t%20offering%20up%20any%20information.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 09, 2025, 09:02:52 AMthat he would instruct high school kids to lie to cover up what he told them was impermissible conduct he was engaged in shows his character and the kind of lessons he'll teach kids. Unfortunately for him, one of the recruits was willing to tell the truth and out him.
Sampson also turned a blind eye to rampant drug use and multiple failed drug tests among his players at IU (all but two had positive tests - DJ White and Eric Gordon). And yet Izzo yelling at his players while never committing a Level I or II violation is somehow worse than that.
That's not why people don't like Izzo
I do know of recruits who were contacted by Sampson that were worried that they wouldn't be eligible at their university because they were on the NCAA's list. Recruits may not care now, but they did 20 years ago.
It would have been inconvenient to Izzo's teams' successes to suspend his staff and players. I get it.
So Sampson texted players and his players were smoking weed and he lied about these things tw decades ago. Nowadays, players can legally smoke weed pretty in most states, and you can now give kids millions of dollars to come play for your team. If I had a son who was a 5 star basketball recruit, I'm not all that worried that Kelvin Sampson might text my son at the wrong time. These things aren't important anymore.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 09, 2025, 02:08:55 PMSo Sampson texted players and his players were smoking weed and he lied about these things tw decades ago. Nowadays, players can legally smoke weed pretty in most states, and you can now give kids millions of dollars to come play for your team. If I had a son who was a 5 star basketball recruit, I'm not all that worried that Kelvin Sampson might text my son at the wrong time. These things aren't important anymore.
I'd be concerned he will blatantly disregard current rules and get his program into trouble. He's done it before.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 09, 2025, 02:27:37 PMI'd be concerned he will blatantly disregard current rules and get his program into trouble. He's done it before.
lol
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 09, 2025, 02:27:37 PMI'd be concerned he will blatantly disregard current rules and get his program into trouble. He's done it before.
Oh no. He texted players. It was also 20 years ago.
Reeko has Bernie Fine #1 on their list
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 09, 2025, 03:03:01 PMReeko has Bernie Fine #1 on their list
Bernie definitely seems like he's much more your type.
Anyway, I'm sure the Houston basketball program and its fans are very nervous about Kelvin Sampson at the moment. Doubt they've enjoyed the past decade at all, worrying all the time about what he did 20 years ago instead.
Have to think it's severely limited him in recruiting, too. How he's put rosters together is mind-boggling.
Wonder what his tax situation is.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 09, 2025, 02:27:37 PMI'd be concerned he will blatantly disregard current rules and get his program into trouble. He's done it before.
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Sloppy steaks at Five O'Clock
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 09, 2025, 11:39:30 AMThat's not why people don't like Izzo
Right? The problem with Izzo is he a player's coach to a fault. I haven't seen criticism of Izzo for being to hard on players.
I've said it before; Izzo is a great basketball coach. Outside of that, he is a very average man.
Statistically, anyone after Izzo falls into the category of "Others Receiving Votes."