And let me know what you're praying for
Charlie Kirk is a terrible person.
Also, what happened to him is reprehensible and ought to be universally condemned.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
In the gun ok?
Thoughts and prayers.
But honestly, we need to stop political violence on both sides.
On a serious note, do NOT watch the close-up video.
I work in surgery everyday and I thought it was too much.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 02:28:54 PMCharlie Kirk is a terrible person.
Also, what happened to him is reprehensible and ought to be universally condemned.
100%
AND
Tots and pears -- but absolutely no legislation to reduce gun violence, okay everyone?
AND
Reaping & sowing/face-eating leopards -- as noted above, Charlie said gun deaths are an acceptable trade-off for our "god given" right to have all the guns we want
AND
"It's too early to politicize this" -- did I get that right?
Terrible, disgusting sh!t. WTF is wrong with people in this effed-up country?
Quote from: MU82 on September 10, 2025, 02:48:23 PMTerrible, disgusting sh!t. WTF is wrong with people in this effed-up country?
A: See above.
I'm sure DOGE will agree, but I think the state funeral should be combined with Ashli Babbitt for cost reasons.
Shame on some of you. Really disgusting.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2025, 02:56:19 PMShame on some of you. Really disgusting.
Agree. No one asked besides me if the gun was okay.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 02:34:24 PMOn a serious note, do NOT watch the close-up video.
I work in surgery everyday and I thought it was too much.
The close up video was the first reply to a tweet I saw and I've been uneasy ever since. It's REALLY bad, I'd be shocked if that didn't split the carotid artery right in half. Horrible
Shooting at high school in Colorado right now.
I'm sure both will receive the same level of outrage?
Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2025, 03:01:24 PMThe close up video was the first reply to a tweet I saw and I've been uneasy ever since. It's REALLY bad, I'd be shocked if that didn't split the carotid artery right in half. Horrible
Yeah, the close up is pretty clear, I can't imagine there is any way he survives that.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2025, 02:56:19 PMShame on some of you. Really disgusting.
Did he paint his nails?
It is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 02:28:54 PMCharlie Kirk is a terrible person.
Also, what happened to him is reprehensible and ought to be universally condemned.
Yes, both are true.
I just hope POTUS doesn't joke about this like he did over the attempted murder of Mr Pelosi.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Free speech, huh?
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Who's celebrating? A lot of people are pointing out the irony that he has downplayed political violence in the past.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
"The president was enraged," Esper recalled. "He thought that the protests made the country look weak, made us look weak and 'us' meant him. And he wanted to do something about it.
"We reached that point in the conversation where he looked frankly at [Joint Chiefs of Staff] Gen. [Mark] Milley and said, 'Can't you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something?' ... It was a suggestion and a formal question. And we were just all taken aback at that moment as this issue just hung very heavily in the air."
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
This guy said it is a small price to pay for gun freedom. Is he disgusting?
(https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/1290x1902/6a522db0_1480_4e64_a0a2_c421e8960d74_png_06d8daac206fd547713715bca3e41d912b5b9eed.jpg)
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
I'll take "Things that Never Happened" for $1,000.
If you're going to bring the faux outrage, at least make it about something that actually occurred.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 10, 2025, 03:18:56 PMThis guy said it is a small price to pay for gun freedom. Is he disgusting?
Are you lying?
The hypocrisy is equal and pathetic from both sides.
Time to lock this down.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
It's okay to say Charlie Kirk sucks, but not be okay with him being shot and killed because he sucks.
There has to be another way.
Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk said events like this are worth the right to own guns.
JCSO confirming a shooting at Evergreen High School. At least two students have been shot and are enroute to the hospital. Media staging at Evergreen Lake. Stay tuned for more.
https://x.com/jeffcosheriffco/status/1965856366536614235
Charlie's thoughts on shootings.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-its-worth-have-cost-unfortunately-some-gun-deaths-every-single-year-so-we
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2025, 03:22:47 PMAre you lying?
This you, bro?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64122.msg1508095#msg1508095
Kirk has died.
something about karma?
I hope his children - and mine - can grow up in a better world than the one which we currently occupy. This increases the probability that happens.
Quote from: Dish on September 10, 2025, 03:45:19 PMKirk has died.
Political violence begets political violence. The ramifications of this will not be good and whatever hate caused this individual to perform this heinous act will cause more hate and violence.
Quote from: Dish on September 10, 2025, 03:45:19 PMKirk has died.
I thought Penix Jr was impressive too
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 03:50:22 PMPolitical violence begets political violence. The ramifications of this will not be good and whatever hate caused this individual to perform this heinous act will cause more hate and violence.
I hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
Sounds like a threat?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
The only loser will be the American populace, like always, when political violence runs amok
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 04:18:28 PMThe only loser will be the American populace, like always, when political violence runs amok
Amen to that.
Both sides will continue to blame the other and only make things worse.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
You've identified the shooter?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 10, 2025, 04:20:44 PMBoth sides will continue to blame the other and only make things worse.
It's already begun and will only embolden those that want to act out.
What we need is steady, unimpulsive leadership. Unfortunately, we are in short supply of that throughout the nation
What does this do to Marquette's cause?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
Kirk was one of those figures who was largely unknown to people unless they are online a lot. And most people aren't.
As we would offer me, I offer him. Thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 04:23:59 PMKirk was one of those figures who was largely unknown to people unless they are online a lot. And most people aren't.
My over arching point is that its the crack pots on the fringe of both sides are the ones I'm afraid of, and they maybe the ones who know of Kirk. But I hope your are right and this blows over without any escalation.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
It's a sad day when anyone is shot including the 3 kids in critical condition in Denver.
Have you also posted about your outrage in the numerous threads about the mass murder of kids in this country?
Lots of reaction to this that was missing after the Minnesota politicians were assassinated
Guns are the new god. Gun culture is the new religion. The religion is spreading across political lines, gender lines, etc. Time to celebrate this new religion, and work on a tax exemption.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 04:34:05 PMLots of reaction to this that was missing after the Minnesota politicians were assassinated
Either way, the fundraising will be incredible
Rest in piss lol
Eventually, he will be treated as a martyr to his religion. If he can wrangle a couple of miracles, possible sainthood.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 10, 2025, 04:59:47 PMRest in piss lol
WTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Has Trump pardoned the gun, yet?
Crime in Red states is out of control
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Happy for him he did not pass away a virgin
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Charlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 05:11:33 PMCharlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
Adolf builds a bonfire, Enrico plays with it
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rest_in_piss
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMScoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Pretty small minority. I scraped the site a while ago and pulled together some data to see for myself. Told a pretty sad and pathetic story actually. Was frustrated because the main way I access the site is via the "Recent Posts" section and it was constantly clogged with off topic cherry picked political slop. Thankfully, the Mods removed The Superbar from the Recent Posts, so all is fixed for me now. Thank you Mods!
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Both things can be true. It's terrible he's dead and his children will be fatherless. It's also true he was a terrible person who was racist, homophobic and transphobic and the worst kind of political commentator.
Quote from: CountryRoads on September 10, 2025, 05:22:56 PMPretty small minority. I scraped the site a while ago and pulled together some data to see for myself. Told a pretty sad and pathetic story actually. Was frustrated because the main way I access the site is via the "Recent Posts" section and it was constantly clogged with off topic political slop. Thankfully, the Mods removed The Superbar from the Recent Posts, so all is fixed for me now. Thank you Mods!
And yet here you are
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 05:11:33 PMCharlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
With all the hot takes (and jokes) here, this is probably the best take on today's events.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Apologies. I'd forgotten that being shot erases all the terrible things a person has said and done in their lifetime.
And why'd you leave out the second part of my post?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 05:29:15 PMApologies. I'd forgotten that being shot erases all the terrible things a person has said and done in their lifetimes.
And why'd you leave out the second part of my post?
Oddly, Mike Lee isn't making any jokes about this shooting. He must have learned his lesson.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 05:25:13 PMBoth things can be true. It's terrible he's dead and his children will be fatherless. It's also true he was a terrible person who was racist, homophobic and transphobic and the worst kind of political commentator.
Apparently you're off. He's our MLK and worthy of a Presidential order to fly flags at half mast (which he initially refused to do for President Carter).
https://x.com/DowntownDan/status/1965905026724802673?t=ymXDK2SyX6XIw-O715mi3Q&s=19
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 10, 2025, 05:53:04 PMApparently you're off. He's our MLK and worthy of a Presidential order to fly flags at half mast (which he initially refused to do for President Carter).
https://x.com/DowntownDan/status/1965905026724802673?t=ymXDK2SyX6XIw-O715mi3Q&s=19
Well, Jimmy Carter was pretty evil.
Mariners are woke
https://x.com/mariners/status/1964766569327948018?s=46
For the second time for my wife and I, a school shooting far away struck way too close to home. The school shooting in Colorado was next door to an elementary school where a friend has their kindergartener enrolled. A 5 year old got a little extra education today, learning about live shooter protocols for 5 year olds.
God is not going to be kind to those who aggressively defend gun violence. What about having no gods before Me? What about beating swords into plowshares? Acceptable collateral damage and racist dog whistles in defense of guns is not a conversation one wants to have to defend to St. Peter at the pearly gates.
Edit: the child in question is the niece of my neighbor. My neighbor was out visiting her sister, bil, and niece last week. She went in to read to her niece's class last Friday and was there for the live shooter drill they held. So, the good news is that the 4 and 5 year olds were prepared.
Very disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
I have been saying much of this for ages. Welcome to the party, pal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:35:56 PMVery disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
Huh.
This country is done. #LastDays
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:35:56 PMVery disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
Agree. Full faith our political leaders will do exactly that
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 06:40:35 PMHuh.
A civil war has been the goal of a subset of Americans, going back 30+ years to Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and Michigan militia types.
https://x.com/yankees/status/1965913114450501983?s=46
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 06:43:21 PMA civil war has been the goal of a subset of Americans, going back 30+ years to Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and Michigan militia types.
Again,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
I am sure there is a 5 point plan somewhere.
Quote from: noblewarrior on September 10, 2025, 06:48:29 PMhttps://x.com/yankees/status/1965913114450501983?s=46
I mean kudos to them for protesting respectfully. Meanwhile my tickets to the Cardinals series are for sale.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:50:30 PMAgain,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
Both sides lol
Blessings to all.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:50:30 PMAgain,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
The president of the United States and numerous other GOP "leaders," not to mention Fox News types, were outright giddy after Paul Pelosi was savagely attacked. Trayvon Martin and George Floyd were publicly executed, and the president and others on the right not only implied that the victims deserved what they got but also came to support the murderers.
Please provide links showing that Dem political leaders and/or left-leaning legacy media have had a similar reaction today.
Thanks.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 10, 2025, 06:57:37 PMBoth sides lol
It's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 10, 2025, 04:59:47 PMRest in piss lol
Sounds like a bannable comment if I've seen one. Your soul has been converted to the devil. But this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:06:49 PMSounds like a bannable comment if I've seen one. Your soul has been converted to the devil. But this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
You still mad about the Shaka hire?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:06:49 PMBut this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
I feel the same way. I keep bringing up scripture and people keep defending purveyors of racism and misogyny. #sad
"You still mad about the Shaka hire? "
Not the place to deflect loser
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:10:51 PM"You still mad about the Shaka hire? "
Not the place to deflect loser
Are you?
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 02:29:01 PMhttps://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
"I didn't mean ME! Damn it's hot in here.
Charlie Kirk, 9/10/2025
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:06:49 PMSounds like a bannable comment if I've seen one. Your soul has been converted to the devil. But this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
Your presence here isn't mandatory.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
Only one side seems to denounce all political violence however.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
The fringe crack pots on both sides think they are righteous.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:10:51 PM"You still mad about the Shaka hire? "
Not the place to deflect loser
Looks like he's deflecting loser pretty well.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:35:56 PMVery disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
From the guy who calls for the assassination of "bad guys' like Putin, even though it would certainly lead to war, probably nuclear.
From the guy who was embarrassingly gleeful when the IDF bombed Gaza, even though many innocent people were killed. "Happens", right?
From the guy who wrote that moose have the right to kill people
without mercy.
From the guy who furiously goes after and insults everyone who disagrees with him with vitriol.
Thank you for suggesting that we all need to come together to renounce violence.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
What if the victims are Palestinian Americans though
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
You should look at the actual data and statistics that compare this stuff
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 04:34:05 PMLots of reaction to this that was missing after the Minnesota politicians were assassinated
Bump
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 07:26:47 PMYou should look at the actual data and statistics that compare this stuff
https://bsky.app/profile/saladshooter.bsky.social/post/3lyjakhe7d22r
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 07:24:23 PMWhat if the victims are Palestinian Americans though
Ni idea what you're trying to say.
"we're gonna avenge Charlie's death"
The world would be a much better place if this country had the same reaction to dozens of children in schools being gunned down as there has been to the guy who said those lives are the cost of protecting a 234 year old document made when you could fire 2 bullets in a minute at that time gets killed. I'm not happy to see the guy murdered, but it's crazy to see who suddenly comes out of the woodwork when that are nowhere to be found when many more people die.
It is interesting that his own words after a shooting ate suddenly inappropriate after his shooting.
It's almost like they're hypocritical.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 10, 2025, 07:57:19 PMIt is interesting that his own words after a shooting ate suddenly inappropriate after his shooting.
It's almost like they're hypocritical.
Kids dying is fine. Rich and famous isn't.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
One side has attempted or succeeded in several political assassinations in the past few years. The other side hasn't as far as I can recall. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Paul Pelosi's attempted murder, murdering those two politicians in Minnesota, attempted kidnapping and murder of the MI governor, attempted assassination of the president.
Might as well take credit, they've absolutely cornered the market on violent crazies.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 07:24:23 PMWhat if the victims are Palestinian Americans though
Muggsy doesn't see color. He identifies as white because algorithms make it easier to get a home loan
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 08:07:55 PMMuggsy doesn't see color. He identifies as white because algorithms make it easier to get a home loan
I actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:20:22 PMI actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
Muggsy thinks he's part of a superior class
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:20:22 PMI actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
The body sometimes compensates for other shortcomings.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:20:22 PMI actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
Freak
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:22:41 PMThe body sometimes compensates for other shortcomings.
My eyesight is highly unusual. Especially for my height.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:25:56 PMMy eyesight is highly unusual. Especially for my height.
There are
many things about you that are "highly unusual".
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:25:56 PMMy eyesight is highly unusual. Especially for my height.
They should use you for scoping out militant tunnels under hospitals
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 08:35:52 PMThey should use you for scoping out militant tunnels under hospitals
If only he had been in Utah today he could have spotted the assassin
Quote from: wadesworld on September 10, 2025, 07:47:39 PMThe world would be a much better place if this country had the same reaction to dozens of children in schools being gunned down as there has been to the guy who said those lives are the cost of protecting a 234 year old document made when you could fire 2 bullets in a minute at that time gets killed. I'm not happy to see the guy murdered, but it's crazy to see who suddenly comes out of the woodwork when that are nowhere to be found when many more people die.
Bingo.
We should unban rocket and 4ever for 24 hours but limited only to this thread
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 08:41:37 PMWe should unban rocket and 4ever for 24 hours but limited only to this thread
I would prefer some inside knowledge on dental crimes but other than that I agree.
Let us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Amen.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Agreed.
And civil disobedience isn't violence, right folks?
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
I think this in an excellent post to wrap this thread up.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Yes. Hopefully some good comes out of this.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
I would add that we should condemn violence/murders of all kinds.
This country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often.
What do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Eye-opening. I did not appreciate he wasn't qualified until just now.
Flags at half mast for Charlie?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 10, 2025, 09:06:59 PMThis country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often.
America's insistence on ignorance over education has always been what will be our undoing.
Whether it's our rejection of science over superstition, our fear of understanding history over embarrassment of our past or lust for fame and fortune over common decency, we've been heading down this path a very long time.
We had the opportunity to overcome the injustices of our inequalities but instead of striving to fight the oligarchs, we've allowed ourselves to be stuck in pointless culture wars, perpetuated by those in power. We are here because we reject knowledge.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 09:25:26 PMAmerica's insistence on ignorance over education has always been what will be our undoing.
Whether it's our rejection of science over superstition, our fear of understanding history over embarrassment of our past or lust for fame and fortune over common decency, we've been heading down this path a very long time.
We had the opportunity to overcome the injustices of our inequalities but instead of striving to fight the oligarchs, we've allowed ourselves to be stuck in pointless culture wars, perpetuated by those in power. We are here because we reject knowledge.
Our recent education scores are not good.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 09:21:42 PMEye-opening. I did not appreciate he wasn't qualified until just now.
Is the first part about how he takes portraits
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 09:25:26 PMAmerica's insistence on ignorance over education has always been what will be our undoing.
Whether it's our rejection of science over superstition, our fear of understanding history over embarrassment of our past or lust for fame and fortune over common decency, we've been heading down this path a very long time.
We had the opportunity to overcome the injustices of our inequalities but instead of striving to fight the oligarchs, we've allowed ourselves to be stuck in pointless culture wars, perpetuated by those in power. We are here because we reject knowledge.
I don't know I could have said this better.
And I assume by the bolded you mean here on Scoop
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 09:23:22 PMFlags at half mast for Charlie?
A black police officer was killed at the CDC a month ago by a lunatic who was radicalized against the CDC. Flags at half staff for him? A word of condemnation from the administration? Of course not.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 09:36:54 PMI don't know I could have said this better.
And I assume by the bolded you mean here on Scoop
Hold up! I have to grab some popcorn before these fireworks start.
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This country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often. "
Yeah great talk chief. And yet u still haven't banned skat. You're gross too
Topper-
Can you link how to quote posts?
Thanks
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Kash Patel in the position he's in explains a lot about modern American exceptionalism
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 09:43:14 PMA black police officer was killed at the CDC a month ago by a lunatic who was radicalized against the CDC. Flags at half staff for him? A word of condemnation from the administration? Of course not.
A cynical person would point out the police are pigs, but thankfully I'm not cynical.
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Elections have consequences or some such.
Damn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Ah, a transphobe.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 09:53:23 PMA cynical person would point out the police are pigs, but thankfully I'm not cynical.
A cynical person would point out "Back The Blue", but I'm not cynical
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Who would have thought pushing out senior officials and hiring podcasters to run the agency was a bad idea?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:50:30 PMAgain,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
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Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 10, 2025, 10:20:21 PMjesussssssssssss
It's too late to ask for forgiveness for both him and myself
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
There it is!
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 09:21:42 PMEye-opening. I did not appreciate he wasn't qualified until just now.
Since he's not a white Christian male, he was obviously a DEI hire. Just goes to show what happens when you don't hire the straight white Christian male.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 10, 2025, 10:34:54 PMSince he's not a white Christian male, he was obviously a DEI hire. Just goes to show what happens when you don't hire the straight white Christian male.
He's snorting enough white to get grandfathered in?
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
im sure he has some conspiracy theories.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Before this incident, the last time you posted here was four-plus years ago when you talked about how bad the Shaka hire was and that we would have been better with Porter Moser.
We will miss your keen insights.
Are we coming together yet?
I want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, his background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
No, they won't
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 10, 2025, 09:06:59 PMThis country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often.
...and why should we be surprised about that? Political violence is nothing knew. I lived it: JKF, Lee Harvey Oswald, Malcom X, George Wallace, MLK and RFK Sr, not to mention all the lesser known Civil Rights leaders in the south who were also murdered.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
per twitter we've already caught the shooter twice!
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
"This is who I am"
Don't worry, loser, you won't be missed.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
people living on the fringe aren't looking for facts, they're just looking for an excuse
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 11, 2025, 05:20:24 AMAre we coming together yet?
Mad about being called Nazi's, yet call this a Reichstag moment. You can't write the stupidity
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 11, 2025, 05:20:24 AMAre we coming together yet?
Interesting thing to do. Advertising their mental instability like that.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
Consider that they may line up with the mania and that the truth no longer matters. Only what runs first and the reaction it causes.
A truly chilling world we've made for ourselves.
Indeed. Reaping what has been sown.
I don't celebrate political violence. Incidents like this tend to beget more incidents like this. Kirk supporters will use it as a justification to enact violence on the people they paint as "opponents" and it will only further divide us as a nation.
That said, I'm not sure anyone has done more to stoke that division over the past 13 years than Kirk. I keep seeing how he's a "Christian" yet the things he says about immigrants, minority communities, and the poor are about as antithetical to the words of Jesus Christ as one can be. His comments on gun violence only underscore how he's a victim of the violence he claimed was good for our country.
In the long run, this will make things worse, not better. I expect it will push us further apart and lead to more violence. And the victims most likely will be people that had nothing to do with any of this.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Person who uses "trannies" as a derogatory slur thinks he has captured the moral high ground
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 11, 2025, 07:28:58 AMI don't celebrate political violence. Incidents like this tend to beget more incidents like this. Kirk supporters will use it as a justification to enact violence on the people they paint as "opponents" and it will only further divide us as a nation.
That said, I'm not sure anyone has done more to stoke that division over the past 13 years than Kirk. I keep seeing how he's a "Christian" yet the things he says about immigrants, minority communities, and the poor are about as antithetical to the words of Jesus Christ as one can be. His comments on gun violence only underscore how he's a victim of the violence he claimed was good for our country.
In the long run, this will make things worse, not better. I expect it will push us further apart and lead to more violence. And the victims most likely will be people that had nothing to do with any of this.
Yes.
I am not celebrating his death, but I also will not be celebrating his life.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 06:13:30 AMper twitter we've already caught the shooter twice!
You spelled Kash wrong.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 11, 2025, 07:28:58 AMThat said, I'm not sure anyone has done more to stoke that division over the past 13 years than Kirk. I keep seeing how he's a "Christian" yet the things he says about immigrants, minority communities, and the poor are about as antithetical to the words of Jesus Christ as one can be. His comments on gun violence only underscore how he's a victim of the violence he claimed was good for our country.
He also called for the public execution of people that thwarted Trump. Public executions, sponsored by corporations. Not of criminals, just people that opposed Trump's agenda.
This is a guy that feed the bonfire of hate gallons and gallons of gasoline because it made him rich. Eventually it consumed him.
He supposedly paid to bus and house people to attend a rally where they assaulted law enforcement officers and tried to overturn a fair election.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 08:22:49 AMHe supposedly paid to bus and house people to attend a rally where they assaulted law enforcement officers and tried to overturn a fair election.
Tourists
A person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
I don't think he should have been killed. Also the world is better when some people aren't in it. He was a man filled with hate.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
I've seen every prominent democratic politician come out and denounce this. Prominent people outside of politics, that vehemently disagree with everything Kirk has ever said, vehemently denounce this.
These people highlight the lengthy trend in violence towards political figures, which has been overwhelmingly directed at those on the left.
This build up of hate driven dialogue, and hate-driven politics has been giving many/most Americans pause for a while.
All the above said, most of what I've seen where individuals might be thinking that a person/poster is celebrating this heinous attack, is not celebrating (in my opinion), rather them trying to highlight who Charlie Kirk was, and what some of those "beliefs" were as counterpoints to his being celebrated as a saint/martyr.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 11, 2025, 08:47:26 AMFreedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
I don't think he should have been killed. Also the world is better when some people aren't in it. He was a man filled with hate.
Very first sentence: victim blaming.
Second paragraph:
Sentence one: how magnanimous of you.
Sentence two: you are not sincere about sentence one.
Sentence three: hate is the new shorthand word for stuff one does not agree with.
I fail to see what freedom of speech has to do with any of this.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2025, 07:48:33 AMYou spelled Kash wrong.
Im genuinely curious how bad the circumstantial evidence was on the person they arrested that they announced they arrested the shooter and within hours they had already released them and said they were innocent.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
I don't think anyone disagrees with this. I think the frustrations are that political violence has been occurring quite a lot recently, and much of it is being ignored because it doesn't fit a certain narrative.
Not to mention that yesterday's victim has had a role to play in both rising violence and ignoring its consequences.
Look, I would stand up an applaud if our leaders had the moral courage to tone down the rhetoric and seek a more compromising tone. However my guess is that the violence from one "side" will continue to be ignored, while we stamp out the rights of another.
I hope I am wrong.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Did you graduate in '88?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 08:58:11 AMI don't think anyone disagrees with this. I think the frustrations are that political violence has been occurring quite a lot recently, and much of it is being ignored because it doesn't fit a certain narrative.
Not to mention that yesterday's victim has had a role to play in both rising violence and ignoring its consequences.
Look, I would stand up an applaud if our leaders had the moral courage to tone down the rhetoric and seek a more compromising tone. However my guess is that the violence from one "side" will continue to be ignored, while we stamp out the rights of another.
I hope I am wrong.
Unfortunately, you're already right. There is no suspect in custody, no motive, no anything. And yet, the leader of our country has decided that it was "radical left violence". A truly abhorrent disgusting accusation from the President of the United States that will do nothing but pour gasoline on an already dangerous situation.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 08:57:21 AMIm genuinely curious how bad the circumstantial evidence was on the person they arrested that they announced they arrested the shooter and within hours they had already released them and said they were innocent.
I read somewhere that he was apprehended because he was a known political activist and was at the scene.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 11, 2025, 09:10:34 AMUnfortunately, you're already right. There is no suspect in custody, no motive, no anything. And yet, the leader of our country has decided that it was "radical left violence". A truly abhorrent disgusting accusation from the President of the United States that will do nothing but pour gasoline on an already dangerous situation.
Beyond that, he said that liberal criticism of conservatives was "directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today," and he vowed to go after groups that fund or support it.
Shocking that he didn't similarly condemn conservative criticism of liberals for being directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and that he didn't vow to go after conservatives groups that fund or support it.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:55:46 AMVery first sentence: victim blaming.
Second paragraph:
Sentence one: how magnanimous of you.
Sentence two: you are not sincere about sentence one.
Sentence three: hate is the new shorthand word for stuff one does not agree with.
I've noticed you haven't had anything to say when children in schools get murdered. Honestly curious, why was this the person whose life meant enough to take a stand?
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:55:46 AMVery first sentence: victim blaming.
Second paragraph:
Sentence one: how magnanimous of you.
Sentence two: you are not sincere about sentence one.
Sentence three: hate is the new shorthand word for stuff one does not agree with.
The very first sentence is the core of free speech in America. Punch a Nazi, arrest the person yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater, imprison the lechers chatting up kids. There are limits to free speech, and that's not a controversial concept.
The second thought: Just because the world is a better place without hatemongers doesn't mean that they should be murdered. Both things can be true without any cognitive dissonance. For an extreme example: I wish we had the opportunity to imprison and put Hitler on trial for his crimes instead of him taking the easy way out. Murder/suicide isn't the answer. Also, the world is better once certain people are gone.
Edit: Non-sequitur, but it's funny talking to all these debate bros that listened to that community college dropout's podcast. Some of the dumbest rhetoric mostly resonates with their tribe, I suppose. All dog whistles and fallacies. I can't believe so many people are up in arms about a podcaster and not the ~40 kids that have been shot since the beginning of the school year last month.
Enrique Tarrio, the former leader of the Proud Boys, reposted to his X account a post from a fellow Jan. 6 defendant calling for "war."
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 11, 2025, 09:27:35 AMThe very first sentence is the core of free speech in America. Punch a Nazi, arrest the person yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater, imprison the lechers chatting up kids. There are limits to free speech, and that's not a controversial concept.
The second thought: Just because the world is a better place without hatemongers doesn't mean that they should be murdered. Both things can be true without any cognitive dissonance. For an extreme example: I wish we had the opportunity to imprison and put Hitler on trial for his crimes instead of him taking the easy way out. Murder/suicide isn't the answer. Also, the world is better once certain people are gone.
Shouting "fire in a crowded theater" is not illegal; it is protected 1st Amendment speech.
That there are limits to the free speech is not controversial. What those limits are, on the other hand, are very controversial.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 09:32:50 AMShouting "fire in a crowded theater" is not illegal; it is protected 1st Amendment speech.
That there are limits to the free speech is not controversial. What those limits are, on the other hand, are very controversial.
If there's not a fire and your yelling of "fire" is likely to cause a stampede you'll be arrested.
Everything has an exception and it makes it hard to discuss things with internet lawyers. :p
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 11, 2025, 09:42:03 AMIf there's not a fire and your yelling of "fire" is likely to cause a stampede you'll be arrested.
Everything has an exception and it makes it hard to discuss things with internet lawyers. :p
Look it can be a dumb thing to do, but it is not illegal. It was a rhetorical flourish used in one case the justify jailing a person who was protesting the draft, a case that was the absolute high-water mark of the state's power to arrest people for their speech and which was *immediately* and consistently abandoned and walked back.
I do not think you should shout "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. But doing so is not against the law, and repeating the assertion that it is actually makes it difficult to understand what the real restrictions to free speech are and how they function in the real world.
Sorry to be a buzzkill.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 09:47:02 AMSorry to be a buzzkill.
I think it's the whole point of the internet. No need to apologize for being correct.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 08:54:27 AMThese people highlight the lengthy trend in violence towards political figures, which has been overwhelmingly directed at those on the left.
I suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 09:32:50 AMShouting "fire in a crowded theater" is not illegal; it is protected 1st Amendment speech.
That there are limits to the free speech is not controversial. What those limits are, on the other hand, are very controversial.
Incorrect. It is very illegal if it causes panic or harm, which it most likely would.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
He said very ironically.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
Go ahead and list the recent successful/attempted political assassinations by 'those on the left'.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 11, 2025, 10:00:55 AMIncorrect. It is very illegal.
Should we go through the Brandenburg Test for incitement? I'm having lots of fun flashbacks to the socratic method we could re-enact. There's only about a hundred prominent first amendment lawyers who've collectively published thousands of articles explaining the whole "fire in a crowded theater" thing, we could just link to one and let people read it for themselves. Or, of course, we could go back to "it's a fun rhetorical flourish and I don't care what actual first amendment jurisprudence says."
In any case, we're distracting from this thread's regularly scheduled event of "should I believe the plain reality of the world being presented to me via evidence" vs "no bro, get out of your bubble, I'm totally right."
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 10:06:49 AMShould we go through the Brandenburg Test for incitement? I'm having lots of fun flashbacks to the socratic method we could re-enact. There's only about a hundred prominent first amendment lawyers who've collectively published thousands of articles explaining the whole "fire in a crowded theater" thing, we could just link to one and let people read it for themselves. Or, of course, we could go back to "it's a fun rhetorical flourish and I don't care what actual first amendment jurisprudence says."
In any case, we're distracting from this thread's regularly scheduled event of "should I believe the plain reality of the world being presented to me via evidence" vs "no bro, get out of your bubble, I'm totally right."
I welcome you to trot down to your local AMC and give it a shot.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 10:06:49 AMShould we go through the Brandenburg Test for incitement? I'm having lots of fun flashbacks to the socratic method we could re-enact. There's only about a hundred prominent first amendment lawyers who've collectively published thousands of articles explaining the whole "fire in a crowded theater" thing, we could just link to one and let people read it for themselves. Or, of course, we could go back to "it's a fun rhetorical flourish and I don't care what actual first amendment jurisprudence says."
720 ILCS 5/26-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 26-1)
Sec. 26-1. Disorderly conduct.
(a) A person commits disorderly conduct when he or she knowingly:
(1) Does any act in such unreasonable manner as to
alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace;
(2) Transmits or causes to be transmitted in any
manner to the fire department of any city, town, village or fire protection district a false alarm of fire, knowing at the time of the transmission that there is no reasonable ground for believing that the fire exists;
https://www.ilga.gov/Documents/legislation/ilcs/documents/072000050K26-1.htm
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
Where was all this defensiveness for the following:
Timothy McVeigh's bombing
Minnesota assisinations
Gabrielle Giffords shooting
Buffalo Shooting
Charleston shooting
Unite the right killing
Abortion clinic bombings
Just to name a few. Furthermore university of Maryland ran a study on political violence by political ideology. Right wing domestic terrorism is 45% more likely than left wing. Now the fact that there's any left wing at all is despicable but you're trying to draw an equivalency to deflect blame when there's clearly a significantly bigger problem on one side than the other.
https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
One could take a statement of his such as "gay people should be stoned to death" as a direct threat. That's not political discourse or open debate. If I said badgerhater should be killed that's not me just positing an extreme ideology that's quite literally saying I believe you should die.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:33:23 AMOne could take a statement of his such as "gay people should be stoned to death" as a direct threat. That's not political discourse or open debate. If I said badgerhater should be killed that's not me just positing an extreme ideology that's quite literally saying I believe you should die.
#FakeNews #Lies
He didn't say that.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 10:36:05 AM#FakeNews #Lies
He didn't say that.
Ok the direct quote is apparently false, instead he quoted scripture in this podcast mentioning that the Bible says if you lay with another man you should be stoned to death.
https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1800678317030564306/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1800678317030564306¤tTweetUser=patriottakes
to rico's point didn't you claim a bunch of #fakenews and #lies yourself about pelosi's husband? Glass houses and what not.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
'Leave your echo chamber and enter mine'
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:30:23 AMWhere was all this defensiveness for the following:
Timothy McVeigh's bombing
Minnesota assisinations
Gabrielle Giffords shooting
Buffalo Shooting
Charleston shooting
Unite the right killing
Abortion clinic bombings
Just to name a few. Furthermore university of Maryland ran a study on political violence by political ideology. Right wing domestic terrorism is 45% more likely than left wing. Now the fact that there's any left wing at all is despicable but you're trying to draw an equivalency to deflect blame when there's clearly a significantly bigger problem on one side than the other.
https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups
The problem is that this is in the liberal echo chamber and you're not listening to studies from outside that filled with nonsequiters, red herrings and the feelings of enraged white men
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
I routinely watch news/media from all sides of the spectrum to get an idea of what they are all saying. While there is always blame to be found on both sides, there is a decided difference in the tone and narrative of the different groups out there.
"We don't yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight, especially his wife Erika and their two young children." Barack Obama
This horrific act is a reminder that political violence has no place in our society. Regardless of our beliefs or affiliations, resorting to violence to settle differences is never acceptable. Let's not retreat into silence or hatred, but rise above violence by recommitting ourselves to the democratic principles of civil engagement and mutual respect," Katie Hobbs, Democratic Governor of Arizona.
"Political violence has absolutely no place in our nation. All Americans should pray for Charlie Kirk's recovery and hold the entire UVU community in our hearts as they endure the trauma of this gun violence." Nancy Pelosi
"The scourge of gun violence and political violence must end. The shooting of Charlie Kirk is the latest incident of this chaos and it must stop. We cannot go down this road." AOC
"For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie Kirk to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This type of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now." Donald J. Trump
"They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it or not. What are we gonna do about it" Jesse Watters, Foxnews.
"Charlie Kirk is a casualty of war. We are at war in this country. We are." Steve Bannon.
"If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die" Elon Musk
"We are up against demonic forces from the pit of Hell. This is existential. A fight for our own existence and the existence of our country." Matt Walsh, political commentator.
See any differences? And remember, we don't know who did this or why yet.
Also, I'm out of this conversation. There is not going to be productive conversation here, which is part of the problem and part of why we are at this point in our society.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:42:34 AMOk the direct quote is apparently false,
Shhhh. Stop there, youngin. And stop lying.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 10:52:11 AMShhhh. Stop there, youngin. And stop lying.
#fakenews #lies Jay bee's trying to lie about what Kirk said literally on video.
The Democratic Party platform, Kirk wrote in a bulleted list last year, was "Mass migration, Dirty cities, Men in women's sports, Baby killing, High taxes, Inflationary spending, Anti-police, Anti-male, Anti-woman, Anti-whites, Anti-American, Pro-foreigner, Pro-gangbanger, [and] Pro-Hamas."
Responding to a commenter, Kirk added: "Pro-child grooming, yes."
"The Democrat Party supports everything that God hates," he said a few days before the presidential election. "The Democrat Party is espousing the death of the unborn, the mutilation of our teenage kids, open borders, the destruction of our sovereignty, the elimination of our currency status."
MSNBC fired political analyst Matthew Dowd and apologized for his "inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable" comments about Kirk.
https://www.editorandpublisher.com/stories/msnbc-apologizes-over-matthew-dowds-insensitive-on-air-comments-after-charlie-kirk,257678?
Fox News, meanwhile, is filled with hate-filled, anti-left screeds. It no doubt will reward those who are most hate-filled.
Again ... both sides.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2025, 11:18:16 AMMSNBC fired political analyst Matthew Dowd and apologized for his "nappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable" comments about Kirk.
https://www.editorandpublisher.com/stories/msnbc-apologizes-over-matthew-dowds-insensitive-on-air-comments-after-charlie-kirk,257678?
Fox News, meanwhile, is filled with hate-filled, anti-left screeds. It no doubt will reward those who are most hate-filled.
Again ... both sides.
This is a good example of differences. Based on the quote in the article, there really wasn't anything incorrect about what Dowds said, but it was insensitive and inappropriate from a national voice in a time where a family, and friends were grieving. Give people time to grieve, and always respect the sanctity of life.
MSNBC did the right thing in punishing him.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2025, 11:18:16 AMMSNBC fired political analyst Matthew Dowd and apologized for his "inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable" comments about Kirk.
https://www.editorandpublisher.com/stories/msnbc-apologizes-over-matthew-dowds-insensitive-on-air-comments-after-charlie-kirk,257678?
Fox News, meanwhile, is filled with hate-filled, anti-left screeds. It no doubt will reward those who are most hate-filled.
Again ... both sides.
Nonsense from you, once again.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 11:46:16 AMNonsense from you, once again.
You might find facts to be nonsense, but some of us don't.
It has begun
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/11/hbcus-lockdown-threats/86094019007/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 12:22:14 PMIt has begun
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/11/hbcus-lockdown-threats/86094019007/
Democratic activists as per usual
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 12:25:06 PMDemocratic activists as per usual
Nobody can claim the moral high ground. Nobody. America has never reconciled its original sin. And both sides exploit it to sow division.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 12:34:19 PMNobody can claim the moral high ground. Nobody. America has never reconciled its original sin. And both sides exploit it to sow division.
Indian burial grounds?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 12:22:14 PMIt has begun
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/11/hbcus-lockdown-threats/86094019007/
Thought this was gonna be about the whitewashing of his legacy.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 10:51:36 AMI routinely watch news/media from all sides of the spectrum to get an idea of what they are all saying. While there is always blame to be found on both sides, there is a decided difference in the tone and narrative of the different groups out there.
"We don't yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight, especially his wife Erika and their two young children." Barack Obama
This horrific act is a reminder that political violence has no place in our society. Regardless of our beliefs or affiliations, resorting to violence to settle differences is never acceptable. Let's not retreat into silence or hatred, but rise above violence by recommitting ourselves to the democratic principles of civil engagement and mutual respect," Katie Hobbs, Democratic Governor of Arizona.
"Political violence has absolutely no place in our nation. All Americans should pray for Charlie Kirk's recovery and hold the entire UVU community in our hearts as they endure the trauma of this gun violence." Nancy Pelosi
"The scourge of gun violence and political violence must end. The shooting of Charlie Kirk is the latest incident of this chaos and it must stop. We cannot go down this road." AOC
"For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie Kirk to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This type of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now." Donald J. Trump
"They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it or not. What are we gonna do about it" Jesse Watters, Foxnews.
"Charlie Kirk is a casualty of war. We are at war in this country. We are." Steve Bannon.
"If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die" Elon Musk
"We are up against demonic forces from the pit of Hell. This is existential. A fight for our own existence and the existence of our country." Matt Walsh, political commentator.
See any differences? And remember, we don't know who did this or why yet.
Also, I'm out of this conversation. There is not going to be productive conversation here, which is part of the problem and part of why we are at this point in our society.
This is perfect. And proves that you reap what you sow.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:53:48 AM#fakenews #lies Jay bee's trying to lie about what Kirk said literally on video.
I think the technicality is that he referred to the scripture passage that says this rather than actually saying those words.
Wasn't the assassin of Minnesota politicians and their families recently brought onto Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" to try and victim blame?
Oh right yes
https://www.theblaze.com/news/exclusive-assassination-suspect-vance-boelter-tells-stunning-inside-story-about-shooting
Anybody know anything about the logo on the suspect's shirt? It appears to be a flag and an eagle. Does it represent anything particular or any organization?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0k6dZTWcAAlFlD?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on September 11, 2025, 02:37:32 PMAnybody know anything about the logo on the suspect's shirt? It appears to be a flag and an eagle. Does it represent anything particular or any organization?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0k6dZTWcAAlFlD?format=jpg&name=small)
Apparently its pretty common.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116614885310
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on September 11, 2025, 02:37:32 PMAnybody know anything about the logo on the suspect's shirt? It appears to be a flag and an eagle. Does it represent anything particular or any organization?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0k6dZTWcAAlFlD?format=jpg&name=small)
Trans?
Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
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Higgins said that any social media accounts from people who "ran their mouths with their smartass hatred, celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man" must come down.
The Louisiana Republican also demanded that any users who posted those "belittling" posts be "banned from ALL PLATFORMS FOREVER."
But Higgins wasn't finished.
"I'm also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination," he wrote.
So, yeah let's fire Matthew Dowd. ;D ;D ;D
Oh crap! He'll be coming for scoopers next.
They pulled a Diane Feinstein with the Nightstalker!!
https://bsky.app/profile/audacityofdespair.bsky.social/post/3lylaexd2tk2u
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 02:50:17 PMRep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
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Higgins said that any social media accounts from people who "ran their mouths with their smartass hatred, celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man" must come down.
The Louisiana Republican also demanded that any users who posted those "belittling" posts be "banned from ALL PLATFORMS FOREVER."
But Higgins wasn't finished.
"I'm also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination," he wrote.
Cool. Next do the same for posts about the Pelosi attack.
Also, he and others like him were losing their shyte because Twitter banned racist and other hate talk. Now, of course, X is a cesspool of racism, homophobia, etc.
(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2025/09/11/USAT/86093580007-charlie-kirk-familyt-01.jpg?width=457&height=610&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
"Kirk was asked by a (somewhat scornful) college student: "Why are you here?" Kirk responded: "OK, I've been asked that question a lot. First of all, the question should not even have to be asked. But when people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group. . . . What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have a reasonable disagreement, where violence is not an option."
"politicians are saying all the usual things now—decrying political violence, sending out prayers. Just as they did after the first assassination attempt against Donald Trump. And the second one. And the shooting of Steve Scalise. And of Gabby Giffords. And the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. And the attempt on Justice Brett Kavanaugh's life. And the slaying of a Minnesota state legislator and her husband. And the murder of two staffers of the Israel Embassy. And the arson attacks against the Pennsylvania governor's mansion and the New Mexico Republican Party headquarters."
"The good behavior lasts a day or a week. This editorial page has frequently emphasized the importance of civil and societal guardrails. Those are built from the top. A nation that sees its leaders respectfully debate each other's ideas, invite opposing views, and seek to persuade will rightly assume that to be the correct way to hash out political disagreements. A nation that sees its leaders vilify opponents, blame individuals (rather than their policies) for problems, and spew rage and tantrums will understandably assume that it's acceptable to treat anyone who disagrees with them with contempt."
Worse, a nation that hears its leaders darkly warn on a daily basis that their political opponents are hell-bent on imposing tyranny is more liable to justify any action in response. And a media that has made a business model out of amplifying the showboats, mouth-offs and provocateurs—rather than giving attention to serious players—only eggs it all on."
Excerpt from Kimberley A Strassel editorial WSJ
You're all now thinking, 'see she's talking about Trump taking the temperature up three notches every time he opens his mouth'. However...
"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Joseph Robinette Biden
Think your side is with the angels? Think again.
When everything is existential, nothing is debatable.
You are welcome to disagree with Kirk's views on the 2nd amendment, abortion, trans rights, and any other idea out there, but his views don't make him a nazi, fascist who needs or deserves to be silenced. Speech IS NOT violence. The only acceptable solution to speech you don't like is more speech.
Either that or go back to Blue Sky where everyone agrees with you...
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 03:24:31 PM(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2025/09/11/USAT/86093580007-charlie-kirk-familyt-01.jpg?width=457&height=610&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
It is an indisputable truth on Scoop that those who claim they're leaving, never actually leave.
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 02:50:17 PMRep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
Where was this energy when Charlie Kirk belittled a grade school getting shot up?
Quote from: nwestpha on September 11, 2025, 03:38:34 PMYou're all now thinking, 'see she's talking about Trump taking the temperature up three notches every time he opens his mouth'. However...
"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Joseph Robinette Biden
Think your side is with the angels? Think again.
I don't think there is a single person here who thinks that Democrats, or whatever you want to call the other "side," are blameless.
Quote from: nwestpha on September 11, 2025, 03:38:34 PM"Kirk was asked by a (somewhat scornful) college student: "Why are you here?" Kirk responded: "OK, I've been asked that question a lot. First of all, the question should not even have to be asked. But when people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group. . . . What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have a reasonable disagreement, where violence is not an option."
"politicians are saying all the usual things now—decrying political violence, sending out prayers. Just as they did after the first assassination attempt against Donald Trump. And the second one. And the shooting of Steve Scalise. And of Gabby Giffords. And the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. And the attempt on Justice Brett Kavanaugh's life. And the slaying of a Minnesota state legislator and her husband. And the murder of two staffers of the Israel Embassy. And the arson attacks against the Pennsylvania governor's mansion and the New Mexico Republican Party headquarters."
"The good behavior lasts a day or a week. This editorial page has frequently emphasized the importance of civil and societal guardrails. Those are built from the top. A nation that sees its leaders respectfully debate each other's ideas, invite opposing views, and seek to persuade will rightly assume that to be the correct way to hash out political disagreements. A nation that sees its leaders vilify opponents, blame individuals (rather than their policies) for problems, and spew rage and tantrums will understandably assume that it's acceptable to treat anyone who disagrees with them with contempt."
Worse, a nation that hears its leaders darkly warn on a daily basis that their political opponents are hell-bent on imposing tyranny is more liable to justify any action in response. And a media that has made a business model out of amplifying the showboats, mouth-offs and provocateurs—rather than giving attention to serious players—only eggs it all on."
Excerpt from Kimberley A Strassel editorial WSJ
You're all now thinking, 'see she's talking about Trump taking the temperature up three notches every time he opens his mouth'. However...
"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Joseph Robinette Biden
Think your side is with the angels? Think again.
When everything is existential, nothing is debatable.
You are welcome to disagree with Kirk's views on the 2nd amendment, abortion, trans rights, and any other idea out there, but his views don't make him a nazi, fascist who needs or deserves to be silenced. Speech IS NOT violence. The only acceptable solution to speech you don't like is more speech.
Either that or go back to Blue Sky where everyone agrees with you...
"MLK was awful," Kirk said. "He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe."
"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more."
" Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge"
"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different."
" There is no separation of church and state. It's a fabrication, it's a fiction, it's not in the constitution. It's made up by secular humanists."
He was an outrage-stoking, race-baiting, white nationalist-flirting blowhard who should not have met a tragic end like this and I hope his loved ones get the love and support they need to heal.
But for F***s sake spare me the martyrdom
I will also point out, likley in vain, that a bunch of people are jumping to conclusions about the motivations of the alleged assailant even though we have no idea who he is!!
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:13:17 PMI will also point out, likley in vain, that a bunch of people are jumping to conclusions about the motivations of the alleged assailant even though we have no idea who he is!!
The WSJ reporting a leaked memo saying the bullets had Antifa and trans ideologies on them and then the New York times refuting that a couple hours later is about as good as a representation of current affairs as any
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 04:16:13 PMThe WSJ reporting a leaked memo saying the bullets had Antifa and trans ideologies on them and then the New York times refuting that a couple hours later is about as good as a representation of current affairs as any
How do you put "trans ideologies" on a bullet?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:20:43 PMHow do you put "trans ideologies" on a bullet?
Mentally after earning a DDS
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 03:24:31 PM(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2025/09/11/USAT/86093580007-charlie-kirk-familyt-01.jpg?width=457&height=610&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
I'd be more interested in pics of
innocent kids who lost their brothers and sisters.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 05:11:33 PMCharlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:13:17 PMI will also point out, likley in vain, that a bunch of people are jumping to conclusions about the motivations of the alleged assailant even though we have no idea who he is!!
"...there were signs"
Absolutely psycho, you are.
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 04:44:26 PMI'd be more interested in pics of innocent kids who lost their brothers and sisters.
???
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:20:43 PMHow do you put "trans ideologies" on a bullet?
Picture of RuPaul?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 04:45:57 PM???
Yeah, wow - that didn't come out the way I meant it. :(
It was meant as 'spare me the warm and fuzzies' of Kirk. Innocent, murdered children came from loving families too.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 04:45:51 PM"...there were signs"
Absolutely psycho, you are.
Typical JB. First is wrong about implying something is inconsistent when it isn't. Second calls them names - likely to cover up the inadequacies above.
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 02:50:17 PMRep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
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Higgins said that any social media accounts from people who "ran their mouths with their smartass hatred, celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man" must come down.
The Louisiana Republican also demanded that any users who posted those "belittling" posts be "banned from ALL PLATFORMS FOREVER."
But Higgins wasn't finished.
"I'm also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination," he wrote.
So, yeah let's fire Matthew Dowd. ;D ;D ;D
Does that include all of the likes on X that Elon has hidden? Cuz if so I have some work to do
Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or freedom of the press....
A reminder that we are a constitutional republic. At least on paper.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 06:10:25 PMCongress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or freedom of the press....
A reminder that we are a constitutional republic. At least on paper.
They will just file baseless lawsuits or threaten legislation until the tech companies give in like they've done to colleges, media, law firms, etc.
Nice tech platform you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it.
9/10 will soon be a national holiday. 9/11? Don't waste time on unimportant stuff like that. Amazing the absolute deification of a hyper partisan political hack and grifter.
Such was the regard for Kirk within the White House that Vice President JD Vance dropped plans to attend the 9/11 memorial in New York on Thursday so he could instead fly to Utah to be with Kirk's family and fly his remains home to Arizona on Air Force 2.
Trump also paid tribute to Kirk during a speech at the Pentagon, announcing that the 31-year-old father would be posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the United States.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 03:50:42 PMIt is an indisputable truth on Scoop that those who claim they're leaving, never actually leave.
Why didn't the mods ban this transphobe?
(https://d.latintimes.com/en/full/583361/charlie-kirk-family-wife-erika-frantzve-children.jpg?w=1600&h=1600&q=88&f=90875c9a34aa8f44c20e1d3d3ab86342)
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 03:59:34 PMWhere was this energy when Charlie Kirk belittled a grade school getting shot up?
Freedom of speech isn't what they care about.
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Charlie said this little girl's death was worth it to keep the second amendment.
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:37:43 PMCharlie said this little girl's death was worth it to keep the second amendment.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/28/00/69180839-11908753-image-a-8_1679958458338.jpg)
If that kid was a right wing grifter, homophobe, racist and transphobe, there'd be more outrage
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Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 07:26:02 PM(https://d.latintimes.com/en/full/583361/charlie-kirk-family-wife-erika-frantzve-children.jpg?w=1600&h=1600&q=88&f=90875c9a34aa8f44c20e1d3d3ab86342)
We all took you up on your offer to leave, bud
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 07:39:59 PMWe all took you up on your offer to leave, bud
I don't see what the big deal is. He's with his best friend Jesus now
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:37:43 PMCharlie said this little girl's death was worth it to keep the second amendment.
He absolutely did not say that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 11, 2025, 07:04:29 PMTrump also paid tribute to Kirk during a speech at the Pentagon, announcing that the 31-year-old father would be posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the United States.
Poor Rudy. He only got a brief moment of glory as another deserving Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient until having to share the spotlight with Kirk.
https://cognitivedissident.substack.com/p/charlie-kirk-31-shot-dead-in-utah
"But understanding the irony is not the same as endorsing the act. Recognizing the karmic symmetry does not mean cheering it. What it means is this: when cruelty is normalized, when violence is rationalized, when deaths are rendered acceptable by ideology, eventually the logic boomerangs.
That is the lesson here, the harsh and unsentimental truth. You cannot unleash a culture of violence, bless it as liberty, and then feign shock when it arrives at your own doorstep. The Second Amendment, as interpreted by Kirk and his allies, does not discriminate. It devours indiscriminately.
That is the justice of it. Not divine, not poetic — merely inevitable."
(https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Turning-Point-USA-Founder-Charlie-Kirk-s-Wife-Shared-Bible-Verse-Hours-Before-His-Death-006.jpg?crop=210px%2C406px%2C1155px%2C653px&resize=1200%2C675&quality=40&strip=all)
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:43:08 PMHe absolutely did not say that.
"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:46:43 PM"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
He died like he lived.
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"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:46:43 PM"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Yes, that's what he said — not what you said.
Do you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Lots of twisting of words and taking quotes out of context (not talking about you except in this example).
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 07:46:30 PM(https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Turning-Point-USA-Founder-Charlie-Kirk-s-Wife-Shared-Bible-Verse-Hours-Before-His-Death-006.jpg?crop=210px%2C406px%2C1155px%2C653px&resize=1200%2C675&quality=40&strip=all)
Gotta say he looks much happier than he did yesterday
Worth it.
If your son or daughter or mother or brother or girlfriend died from gun violence, it was worth it to Charlie Kirk.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 07:41:58 PMI don't see what the big deal is. He's with his best friend Jesus now
I kinda doubt it.
The latest Colorado high school shooter is reported to be 'radicalized by extremist groups'.
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Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:49:57 PMYes, that's what he said — not what you said.
Do you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Lots of twisting of words and taking quotes out of context (not talking about you except in this example).
He literally said this after a school shooting. No words have been twisted.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 07:50:55 PMI kinda doubt it.
Well, of course not. But all these Christians that tell us it's gods will seem peeved at the left instead of god
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 07:51:55 PMThe latest Colorado high school shooter is reported to be 'radicalized by extremist groups'.
Weird, wonder what groups
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 07:41:58 PMI don't see what the big deal is. He's with his best friend Jesus now
Hanging with Ashli Babbitt probably
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:49:57 PMDo you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Driving a car is a necessity for society to function. Being able to own an assault weapon is not.
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"Reject feminism, submit to your husband, Taylor," Charlie Kirk told Swift on his show, before warning her, "You're not in charge."
I wonder how much domestic assault (which Trump said is fine) was part of the submission.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:53:05 PMHe literally said this after a school shooting. No words have been twisted.
Have you seen the video or heard the audio from that which you're speaking about?
Those words were in the context of there being no chance of ZERO gun deaths. ZERO. Not 'well, the level we have is fine'.. or 'whatever, yeah, great people will die it's cool'.. it was.. 'I don't think getting to zero gun deaths is possible. That's unfortunate.'
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Not sure what your angle is here, I'm 75% sure she doesn't read scoop
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This!
If I don't like what you say you should die.
Civilized place
I am going to honor his wishes and diminish my empathy. It is a made up, new age term that does a lot of damage.
What amuses me is that I have been criticizing the so called Christians saying that too much empathy is a sin without knowing that Kirk thought that.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:01:30 PMIf I don't like what you say you should die.
Civilized place
I'm honoring his memory by lacking empathy
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Less happy here. Must be the 2nd place baseball team.
This place is ten guys of evil at its core
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Scoop needs a five point plan
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And here everyone thought you "were out."
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
But the dentists went away a months ago.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Does Netanyahu post here?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Man, Charlie sure knows how to generate a killer rate of return.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 11, 2025, 07:58:13 PM"Reject feminism, submit to your husband, Taylor," Charlie Kirk told Swift on his show, before warning her, "You're not in charge."
I wonder how much domestic assault (which Trump said is fine) was part of the submission.
Have you seen this video or heard the audio?
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters. Joking/laughing as you're wrapping up a fake rant on Taylor becoming conservative in the future ... c'mon bud.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:05:11 PMDoes Netanyahu post here?
9 of them are in underground Hamas tunnels
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMIf I post his wife enough times on a Catholic university's basketball forum maybe she will notice me...
I mean go for it I guess
There's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 07:59:32 PMNot sure what your angle is here, I'm 75% sure she doesn't read scoop
She's available though.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
They have his face?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:57:27 PMDriving a car is a necessity for society to function. Being able to own an assault weapon is not.
Oh. So, there was never a functioning society until the last two hundreds years?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
They're freaked out you're taking pictures of them?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:59:06 PMHave you seen the video or heard the audio from that which you're speaking about?
Those words were in the context of there being no chance of ZERO gun deaths. ZERO. Not 'well, the level we have is fine'.. or 'whatever, yeah, great people will die it's cool'.. it was.. 'I don't think getting to zero gun deaths is possible. That's unfortunate.'
Here's the full quote.
"Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
MAGA has identified the true culprit.
In the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, some conservatives are pointing fingers at South Park for mocking the conservative thought leader in a recent episode.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/south-park-charlie-kirk-maga-1236368149/
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:05:45 PMHave you seen this video or heard the audio?
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters. Joking/laughing as you're wrapping up a fake rant on Taylor becoming conservative in the future ... c'mon bud.
I don't have access to an LLM - can you help me better understand the context
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
So Nick Fuentes didn't target them?
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POV Charlie yesterday when he came to?
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Charlie looks much happier here
Good night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
Thanks, transphobe
Is too much empathy bad?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
Don't assume my gender, bigot
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
So you'll post 36 more pictures of the dude tonight then. Can't wait!
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 08:11:50 PMIs too much empathy bad?
Having empathy despite the significant detrimental shortcomings of someone seems to result in further whining with the goal of only being satisfied until you are crying and groveling in complete submission at their feet.
So yeah, apparently
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 08:09:02 PMHere's the full quote.
"Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
Less context please
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 08:09:02 PMHere's the full quote.
"Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
Yes. And fully notes we should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, and gives ideas on how to do so, including armed guards at schools.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:19:42 PMYes. And fully notes we should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, and gives ideas on how to do so, including armed guards at schools.
As long as they're not black
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:21:32 PMAs long as they're not black
If they'd live in bigger houses with higher property taxes they could get them
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 08:22:25 PMIf they'd live in bigger houses with higher property taxes they could get them
Not in my neighborhood, I hope
Why can't we just teach AI to be an armed elementary school security guard
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:21:32 PMAs long as they're not black
Whenever I see a black cop I think, "Boy, I sure hope he's qualified."
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:19:42 PMYes. And fully notes we should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, and gives ideas on how to do so, including armed guards at schools.
He does say that. But it doesn't change he's saying gun deaths are worth it to keep the second amendment in response to a question about a recent school shooting.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2025, 08:24:55 PMWhenever I see a black cop I think, "Boy, I sure hope he's qualified."
George Floyd was a father, too, but he deserved to die
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 08:23:32 PMWhy can't we just teach AI to be an armed elementary school security guard
Will get smart, hide, and be 20 minutes late to the party like at Parkland
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:26:07 PMGeorge Floyd was a father, too, but he deserved to die
Please post more pictures of him so we know how much you care about him
https://bsky.app/profile/newsguy.bsky.social/post/3lylygpp6hz2t
Hey, Muggsy-
Care to comment?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
Well, his team already had decided that pedophiles are OK now, so it couldn't be that.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Says the guy that said enjoy your trannies. Fu*k all the way off.
Charlie Kirk should still be alive. He certainly shouldn't be celebrated. He was an objectively awful human being. Why?
-He consistently attacks marginalized groups
-Said Paul Pelosi's attempted murderer should be bailed out by a "patriot"
-Said all trans people are abominations
-Said we should have full military occupation of liberal cities
-Said kids should watch public executions
-Said Michelle Obama was a result of affirmative action and a DEI hire
-Said he would force his daughter to carry a pregnancy to term if she was raped
-Said women should be subservient to men
I could go on and on and on and on and on
And the utter hypocrisy of the right is something to behold as I certainly saw their responses (or lack thereof) when Melissa Hortman was killed and John Hoffman was shot, when Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer, at countless school shootings (unless the shooter was trans).
Spare me.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 08:27:21 PMPlease post more pictures of him so we know how much you care about him
Don't you mean his girlfriend
Is it more embarrassing to be demanding everyone be more sad about podcaster Charlie Kirk or being actually torn up and distraught about podcaster Charlie Kirk
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:26:07 PMGeorge Floyd was a father, too, but he deserved to die
And apparently after his death, instead of mourning him, some decided to call him a "scumbag".
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 09:23:51 PMAnd apparently after his death, instead of mourning him, some decided to call him a "scumbag".
He wa black so that's ok
Charlie was more of a "traditional"
Could he dunk?
Conspiracy theories out there on this shooting are crazy right now.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 10:33:50 PMConspiracy theories out there on this shooting are crazy right now.
Netanyahu almost certainly is involved
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 10:34:42 PMBut how's his neck
Small sample size but he's no pogo stick
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 10:34:58 PMNetanyahu almost certainly is involved
You jest, but apparently there are a bunch of conspiracy theories out there saying he is.
And note: I don't believe any of these conspiracy theories, but they are fun to read and see how people twist logic together to frame what they think is a slam dunk case full of evidence.
Honestly if a foreign adversary wanted to really stir up crap here they'd target prominent figures on both sides right now.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 10:48:18 PMAnd note: I don't believe any of these conspiracy theories
Sheep!
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Do not lose faith in the sanctity of life for everyone else. These ten men are models of how to not live your lives
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 11:25:26 PMDo not lose faith in the sanctity of life for everyone else. These ten men are models of how to not live your lives
You've convinced me, Im changing my ways to the ideal model. I'm gonna come back in four years and lob a slur at you that hasn't even been invented yet.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:05:45 PMHave you seen this video or heard the audio?
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters. Joking/laughing as you're wrapping up a fake rant on Taylor becoming conservative in the future ... c'mon bud.
They're akways joking...
Quote from: Butt Johnson on September 12, 2025, 12:26:44 AMYou've convinced me, Im changing my ways to the ideal model. I'm gonna come back in four years and lob a slur at you that hasn't even been invented yet.
Blackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:35:16 AMBlackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
lol
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:49:32 AMIt's no laughing matter. He's no longer with us.
Just like Joe Lieberman ☹️
Quote from: Butt Johnson on September 11, 2025, 08:13:51 PMHaving empathy despite the significant detrimental shortcomings of someone seems to result in further whining with the goal of only being satisfied until you are crying and groveling in complete submission at their feet.
So yeah, apparently
Tell Jesus.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:35:16 AMBlackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
Farty Eight Hours?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:49:57 PMYes, that's what he said — not what you said.
Do you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Lots of twisting of words and taking quotes out of context (not talking about you except in this example).
This is not the great argument you may think it is. Reconsider.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:07:58 PMOh. So, there was never a functioning society until the last two hundreds years?
You can't possibly actually think this this argument makes sense. Are you thinking, 'Sure if I ignore modern city planning, timeline expectations, logistics, expected sitabce traveled, the fact that people need to travel more in their standard day to day life, etc then this is an equivalency' gun necessity has diminished with the access to farmed meat, and advancement of military to a level that an armed citizenry would be ineffective. Meanwhile cars have become a necessity for 90% of the United States that doesn't work remote and live in an extremely high density area of the US with great transit. Not to mention the fact that car ownership comes with insurance, drivers ed, consistent monitoring of your license when it expires to determine if you're fit to drive, and there's different license standards for various size vehicles, whereas your side is so up in arms (literally) about the 2nd amendment that any restriction like that and you all cry your eyes out.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 06:07:51 AMThis is not the great argument you may think it is. Reconsider.
Yeah. A car's sole purpose isn't to kill things.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 12, 2025, 07:33:47 AMYeah. A car's sole purpose isn't to kill things.
What do you mean? You never combed your hair with... your gun?
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 12, 2025, 07:33:47 AMYeah. A car's sole purpose isn't to kill things.
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Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:35:16 AMBlackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
A little disappointed. That was fun.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2025, 07:45:59 AMA little disappointed. That was fun.
Kinda. I can't even keep people's main accounts straight, much less their alt accounts. I choose to believe it was hilltopper and rocky is staging a coup.
So I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 08:52:51 AMSo I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
I was really pulling for a trans suspect or black suspect. Disappointing to say the least
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 08:52:51 AMSo I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
I hope they got the right guy. I'm impressed they didn't shoot any of the suspects so far, tbh.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:28:12 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/newsguy.bsky.social/post/3lylygpp6hz2t
Hey, Muggsy-
Care to comment?
Muggsy - any comment?
My understanding is that the most serious charge he is facing is tossing his gun. I mean, killing someone is bad no doubt, but treating God's instrument of justice that way is simply intolerable.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 09:08:51 AMI hope they got the right guy. I'm impressed they didn't shoot any of the suspects so far, tbh.
I think they were all white, so that wasn't a real concern
Sandy Hook, Charleston, Buffalo, El Paso, Butler, Parkman and now Utah Valley.
It's time we considered banning firearm possession for white males between the ages of 18 and 25.
I think Tower's initial reaction about who this shooter was will be spot on
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 08:52:51 AMSo I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
Seemingly, the 'trans' and anti fascist things 'etched' on the casings were merely the stamping from the manufacturer.
Whomever divulged this information this put people in danger and should not be employed any law enforcement agency.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 09:33:35 AMSeemingly, the 'trans' and anti fascist things 'etched' on the casings were merely the stamping from the manufacturer.
Whomever divulged this information this put people in danger and should not be employed any law enforcement agency.
The morons in charge of the FBI have been purging the best and brightest to bring in the weak and servile. Real DEI
Very normal.
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1966506686367047791
One interesting piece of fallout from this event is how many people were "canceled" over it and lost their jobs as a result of a post they made. On the other end of that, some people were misidentified as being involved which severely negatively impacts their and their families lives for the foreseeable future. Not seeing any benefit to having a public social media profile unless for personal branding purposes that are directly for business or for career networking or something along those lines.
Also, I don't really get the obsession with keeping score on which "side" is committing more of these acts than others. There's usually a lot of gray area in every instance and you'll easily be able to be find "trusted sources" that will tell you what you want to hear one way or the other. MSNBC, a trusted and established news network, said on air that it may have just been an accident from a supporter during celebration. Or maybe that clip was fake and was AI. Hard to tell these days and it takes a lot of mental energy to parse through what is real and what is not. Most of the time, it's not worth trying.
They've arrested 22-year-old Tyler Robinson for the shooting. Based on initial reports, he came from a Mormon family, his dad is a pastor & was in law enforcement. Robinson once wore a Donald Trump related costume for Halloween. Public records show he was not registered to a political party.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 12, 2025, 09:47:45 AMThey've arrested 22-year-old Tyler Robinson for the shooting. Based on initial reports, he came from a Mormon family, his dad is a pastor & was in law enforcement. Robinson once wore a Donald Trump related costume for Halloween. Public records show he was not registered to a political party.
Both parents are registered republicans.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 09:33:35 AMSeemingly, the 'trans' and anti fascist things 'etched' on the casings were merely the stamping from the manufacturer.
Whomever divulged this information this put people in danger and should not be employed any law enforcement agency.
But they are perfect for a cabinet position
Quote from: CountryRoads on September 12, 2025, 09:42:45 AMOne interesting piece of fallout from this event is how many people were "canceled" over it and lost their jobs as a result of a post they made. On the other end of that, some people were misidentified as being involved which severely negatively impacts their and their families lives for the foreseeable future. Not seeing any benefit to having a public social media profile unless for personal branding purposes that are directly for business or for career networking or something along those lines.
Also, I don't really get the obsession with keeping score on which "side" is committing more of these acts than others. There's usually a lot of gray area in every instance and you'll easily be able to be find "trusted sources" that will tell you what you want to hear one way or the other. MSNBC, a trusted and established news network, said on air that it may have just been an accident from a supporter during celebration. Or maybe that clip was fake and was AI. Hard to tell these days and it takes a lot of mental energy to parse through what is real and what is not. Most of the time, it's not worth trying.
Because violent crime data is important
Quote from: CountryRoads on September 12, 2025, 09:42:45 AMAlso, I don't really get the obsession with keeping score on which "side" is committing more of these acts than others.
Because:
1) One side is responsible for a large majority of domestic terrorism, per the statistics, and 2) that same side screeched "This is War!" before a single fact was known.
If these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
Quote from: Butt Johnson on September 11, 2025, 08:57:49 PMIs it more embarrassing to be demanding everyone be more sad about podcaster Charlie Kirk or being actually torn up and distraught about podcaster Charlie Kirk
It's understandable. Kirk hated the same people Black Hat hates.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 10:01:31 AMIf these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
And the fact we have institutions going out of the way to praise Kirk, give him moments of silence at football games, fly flags at half staff, etc. is just downright embarrassing.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 11:14:58 PMhttps://media1.tenor.com/m/olnkZI1dcQQAAAAC/arrested-development-david-cross.gif (https://media1.tenor.com/m/olnkZI1dcQQAAAAC/arrested-development-david-cross.gif)
Guy who says he's "out," only to come back and post a bunch of family photos of a guy he's never met, then to say "goodnight" to everyone, continues to post despite not being smart enough to post an actual GIF and has to post a link.
Hope you slept well!
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 11, 2025, 05:20:24 AMAre we coming together yet?
I'm sure the irony is lost on every single person in the attachment jesmu84 included in the post above.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 12, 2025, 10:25:30 AMGuy who says he's "out," only to come back and post a bunch of family photos of a guy he's never met, then to say "goodnight" to everyone, continues to post despite not being smart enough to post an actual GIF and has to post a link.
Hope you slept well!
And who was other user name was banned.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 10:40:58 AMAnd who was other user name was banned.
Yeah I was catching up on this thread and responded before I saw that information. The internet really drags people in doesn't it?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 10:01:31 AMIf these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
First things I've seen suggest this is a guy who may be nominally "right wing" but is more likely a terminally-online-brain-poison guy. References are the types that will make sense to people only if they're plugged into very very strange corners of the internet, just like the school shooter with all the stuff written on the gun. Those messages are indicative more of the Terrorgram/nihilistic-terrorist axis than the dedicated political actor axis of killer.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 12, 2025, 10:47:58 AMFirst things I've seen suggest this is a guy who may be nominally "right wing" but is more likely a terminally-online-brain-poison guy. References are the types that will make sense to people only if they're plugged into very very strange corners of the internet, just like the school shooter with all the stuff written on the gun. Those messages are indicative more of the Terrorgram/nihilistic-terrorist axis than the dedicated political actor axis of killer.
Yeah, to me it reeks of nihilist behavior akin to quite a few of the recent shooters.
But instead of deciding whose side this kid was on, a lot of people made assumptions. Shame on them.
Having said that, I'll wait for the trove of information that is likely being dug up as we type, to be released.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 10:01:31 AMIf these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1966527303724278261
This is what leadership looks like...
Asked on Fox & Friends how people from the left and right could ever unite in view of the nation's deep divisions, Trump replied: "I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-backs-extreme-right-in-charlie-kirk-rant-on-fox-friends/
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 11:06:56 AMYeah, to me it reeks of nihilist behavior akin to quite a few of the recent shooters.
But instead of deciding whose side this kid was on, a lot of people made assumptions. Shame on them.
Having said that, I'll wait for the trove of information that is likely being dug up as we type, to be released.
People really aren't ready to delve into the whole influence of the Terrorgram Collective and similar nihilism-black-pill-thought on modern mass-shooter motivations. And, frankly, trying to explain it to someone is functionally impossible without looking like Charlie Day doing a "pepe silvia." I cannot imagine under any circumstance any "mainstream" media outlet doing even a passable job at explaining it.
That's why you get all of the ideology of the mass-shooters flattened to "mental illness" and then they leave it at that.
Trying to figure out what the reaction would have been had, say, Rachel Maddow been shot.
Flags at half-mast nationwide for sure, right?
Any comment, Muggsy?
https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lynmzayrpk2b
If this person is tried and convicted in a court of law, I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent. However, the cynic in me thinks that as he is from a white bread republican background, this will end up as a murmur.
Quote from: MU82 on September 12, 2025, 11:51:36 AMTrying to figure out what the reaction would have been had, say, Rachel Maddow been shot.
Flags at half-mast nationwide for sure, right?
Conservative media would be at full mast
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 12, 2025, 09:47:45 AMThey've arrested 22-year-old Tyler Robinson for the shooting. Based on initial reports, he came from a Mormon family, his dad is a pastor & was in law enforcement. Robinson once wore a Donald Trump related costume for Halloween. Public records show he was not registered to a political party.
So far, the US corporate media is ignoring or downplaying them. If Robinson had a liberal background, any photo of him with a gun, much less a military machine gun and anti-tank weapon, would be plastered all over their digital front pages.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 12, 2025, 12:12:12 PMConservative media would be at full mast
Literally made me laugh out loud.
In Charlie's honor, I took a day off from empathy. I feel dirty and am now again following the teachings of Jesus. I should probably go to confession.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2025, 12:45:29 PMIi Charlie's honor, I took a day off from empathy. I feel dirty and am now again following the teachings of Jesus. I should probably go to confession.
According to that banned guy I can only guess your soul has been "converted to the devil" like mine. I don't follow religion that closely, but it seems like calling bad people out as bad people is a sin now.
I'm sure you can purchase an indulgence from your local parish to get out of it, but I'm not sure how that works. I asked my dealer, and they don't sell indulgences.
Helldivers 2, anti fascist song lyric, meme/joke
Messages on the bullets, at least the ones they've told us about
Quote from: jficke13 on September 12, 2025, 10:47:58 AMFirst things I've seen suggest this is a guy who may be nominally "right wing" but is more likely a terminally-online-brain-poison guy. References are the types that will make sense to people only if they're plugged into very very strange corners of the internet, just like the school shooter with all the stuff written on the gun. Those messages are indicative more of the Terrorgram/nihilistic-terrorist axis than the dedicated political actor axis of killer.
I was going to post a similar concept, and when I mentioned both his parents were Republicans it was an allusion to the fact that on its face, this appears to be kind of the poster child republican family. In normal times, as you mention, he would have likely grown up as a traditional republican.
But, there are these darker nihilism-black-pill areas of the youth, who see everything (and both sides) as part of the same problem and disassociate themselves from society and dive into the echo chambers of the internet to find like-minded people that also believe in these nihilistic views on society, which can lead to some being radicalized into extremist actions.
They aren't republican or democrat, because in general they hate them both as part of the problem.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 12, 2025, 12:57:08 PMHelldivers 2, anti fascist song lyric, meme/joke
Messages on the bullets, at least the ones they've told us about
In-universe Helldivers are fash but claim their enemies are fash. Bella Ciao is an Italian antifacist song that is weirdly big in the Nick Fuentes Righty "Groyper" circles.
Game reference + 2 *EXTREMELY* online references suggests less "this is an antifa assassin" and more "this is a brain poisoned online black pill who will not in any way have comprehensible politics that map onto the current spectrum"
Quote from: forgetful on September 12, 2025, 01:07:02 PMI was going to post a similar concept, and when I mentioned both his parents were Republicans it was an allusion to the fact that on its face, this appears to be kind of the poster child republican family. In normal times, as you mention, he would have likely grown up as a traditional republican.
But, there are these darker nihilism-black-pill areas of the youth, who see everything (and both sides) as part of the same problem and disassociate themselves from society and dive into the echo chambers of the internet to find like-minded people that also believe in these nihilistic views on society, which can lead to some being radicalized into extremist actions.
They aren't republican or democrat, because in general they hate them both as part of the problem.
Or an advocate of Nick Fuentes, who has had public disputes with both Trump and Kirk. But that is obviously speculation.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 01:44:51 PMOr an advocate of Nick Fuentes, who has had public disputes with both Trump and Kirk. But that is obviously speculation.
Gyropers
Family of gun nuts, who'd at thought.
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Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:09:23 PMFamily of gun nuts, who'd at thought.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/36/b1/SHDvxC2U_o.png) (http://"https://imgbox.com/SHDvxC2U")
Isn't his old man a pastor in the Mormon church?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 01:44:51 PMOr an advocate of Nick Fuentes, who has had public disputes with both Trump and Kirk. But that is obviously speculation.
It's not.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 12, 2025, 01:11:39 PMIn-universe Helldivers are fash but claim their enemies are fash. Bella Ciao is an Italian antifacist song that is weirdly big in the Nick Fuentes Righty "Groyper" circles.
Game reference + 2 *EXTREMELY* online references suggests less "this is an antifa assassin" and more "this is a brain poisoned online black pill who will not in any way have comprehensible politics that map onto the current spectrum"
Here's a bit of explanation on that
https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/new-the-messages-on-the-bullets-are
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:19:58 PMIt's not.
Yeah I guess that's been confirmed. I'm sure a bunch of people will reflect on this, apologize, and do better in the future.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 02:22:19 PMYeah I guess that's been confirmed. I'm sure a bunch of people will reflect on this, apologize, and do better in the future.
Tweets are being deleted faster than the speed of light, I imagine.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:23:13 PMTweets are being deleted faster than the speed of light, I imagine.
Doubtful. They'll double down, because to admit error is a weakness.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:24:34 PMDoubtful. They'll double down, because to admit error is a weakness.
That's the thing, if there is no tweet, there is no error to admit.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 02:11:33 PMIsn't his old man a pastor in the Mormon church?
I like him and his family. They support the obvious: Every American man, woman and child should own at least 10 assault rifles.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
Huh.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:21:26 PMHere's a bit of explanation on that
https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/new-the-messages-on-the-bullets-are
Careful, mueller she wrote is a bit of a grifter tbh
Quote from: forgetful on September 12, 2025, 01:07:02 PMI was going to post a similar concept, and when I mentioned both his parents were Republicans it was an allusion to the fact that on its face, this appears to be kind of the poster child republican family. In normal times, as you mention, he would have likely grown up as a traditional republican.
But, there are these darker nihilism-black-pill areas of the youth, who see everything (and both sides) as part of the same problem and disassociate themselves from society and dive into the echo chambers of the internet to find like-minded people that also believe in these nihilistic views on society, which can lead to some being radicalized into extremist actions.
They aren't republican or democrat, because in general they hate them both as part of the problem.
I think this describes what you are talking about.
https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-meme
Time for everyone to learn about another extremist alt-right group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The internet may have been a mistake
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 02:31:57 PMCareful, mueller she wrote is a bit of a grifter tbh
Correct. Unreliable and in it for the money
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 02:32:15 PMTime for everyone to learn about another extremist alt-right group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The internet may have been a mistake
As bad as Kirk was, Fuentes is Kirk on steroids.
An incel - and I am guessing it is not by choice
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 02:32:15 PMTime for everyone to learn about another extremist alt-right group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The internet may have been a mistake
Yep, a wake up call to any adult who doesn't monitor their child on the internet.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 02:31:57 PMCareful, mueller she wrote is a bit of a grifter tbh
I have no opinion on that one way or another, it's merely an explanation on where these phrases and symbols come from.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:42:21 PMYep, a wake up call to any adult who doesn't monitor their child on the internet.
Well easier said than done. Regardless, he was 22.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 02:44:53 PMWell easier said than done. Regardless, he was 22.
Yep, but the shooter in the Denver area yesterday was 16... I'll give you a guess as to what he was in to.
At least we were only raised by television... kids raised by the internet without any guidance from their parents? Oh boy.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:46:22 PMYep, but the shooter in the Denver area yesterday was 16... I'll give you a guess as to what he was in to.
Being trans? Being not white? Using litter boxes in classrooms? Not enough jump shots from the elbow in gym class basketball?
Culled from a variety of public sources, here is the profile that is emerging about Tyler Robinson:
He is a 22-year-old white male with no criminal record. Social-media photos depicted him as the oldest of three sons in a tight-knit family. He lived at home with his parents, who are Mormons and registered Republicans. He is registered as unaffiliated, but he didn't vote in the most recent presidential election. Social-media posts showed him and other family members posing with guns. At a recent family dinner, he said he did not like Kirk's viewpoints. He reportedly had "anti-fascist" and homophobic messages written on bullet casings. He was a high achiever in high school and received a college scholarship but dropped out after one semester. He was into online gaming.
Think I mentioned this on the last one of our numerous shooting threads. Our society is not equipped to Handle the level of irony poisoning and apathy the youth generation has from the seeds that we have sown economically and socially for them.
Bomb and shooting threats all over America the last two days for completely unrelated parties. It's only gonna get worse as we drive their economic and social opportunity into the crapper
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 02:55:13 PMThink I mentioned this on the last one of our numerous shooting threads. Our society is not equipped to Handle the level of irony poisoning and apathy the youth generation has from the seeds that we have sown economically and socially for them.
Bomb and shooting threats all over America the last two days for completely unrelated parties. It's only gonna get worse as we drive their economic and social opportunity into the crapper
At least they aren't listening to rap anymore.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 03:01:16 PMAt least they aren't listening to rap anymore.
If white people could say the n-word, we'd probably not have school shootings
I picked the wrong day to re-embrace empathy.
Huh
https://bsky.app/profile/chrononaut.bsky.social/post/3lynrbkxi722u
Loomer deleted all her tweets about the shooting. Is it time to investigate her and Fuentes? I'm guessing I know the answer.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:09:23 PMFamily of gun nuts, who'd at thought.
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Just a couple days ago he was a good guy with a gun.
Next up... clearly a false flag operation. He was actually a radical lefty playing the long con and only pretending to be a groyper.
I think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
Anyway, have a good weekend everyone and I look forward to your takes on MU as we enter this 2025-26 season (except the bad takes, which most of posts are).
Cried more today than I have in a long time. Granted, it was at the funeral of my high school buddy, but a stark reminder of some things. Best to all, Scoopers. I'm drained (pawz).
PS - had never heard of 'groyper' but first read it as 'gyroper' and thought it was for fanatics of a good gyro, which I'd be totally into. Oakland gyros and Marquette gyros were two favorites.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2025, 03:34:56 PMI think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
Anyway, have a good weekend everyone and I look forward to your takes on MU as we enter this 2025-26 season (except the bad takes, which most of posts are).
Cried more today than I have in a long time. Granted, it was at the funeral of my high school buddy, but a stark reminder of some things. Best to all, Scoopers. I'm drained (pawz).
PS - had never heard of 'groyper' but first read it as 'gyroper' and thought it was for fanatics of a good gyro, which I'd be totally into. Oakland gyros and Marquette gyros were two favorites.
Sorry for your loss
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2025, 03:34:56 PMI think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
What about people who've had their head smashed in by a hammer? It's OK to make jokes about them, right?
Asking for a friend.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2025, 03:34:56 PMI think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
Anyway, have a good weekend everyone and I look forward to your takes on MU as we enter this 2025-26 season (except the bad takes, which most of posts are).
Cried more today than I have in a long time. Granted, it was at the funeral of my high school buddy, but a stark reminder of some things. Best to all, Scoopers. I'm drained (pawz).
PS - had never heard of 'groyper' but first read it as 'gyroper' and thought it was for fanatics of a good gyro, which I'd be totally into. Oakland gyros and Marquette gyros were two favorites.
Take it easy, JB. Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss, Jay Bee.
Find your peace (not piece), JB
Always difficult to lose a close friend or loved one. Peace, JB.
That's odd. Wonder what changed.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 03:56:35 PMThat's odd. Wonder what changed.
I've noticed my social media is a bit quieter today.
Someone is very, very worried.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/b6/f1/iyXt9MKW_o.png) (http://"https://imgbox.com/iyXt9MKW")
The right-wingers that screamed "This is War!" and "jail all Democrats" can unnatural carnal knowledge off, keep fucking off, and never stop fucking off.
Also, is this the time to take up the gun legislation that 70% of the country wants? Or is it still too early?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 03:56:35 PMThat's odd. Wonder what changed.
Now that she knows he's a young white man from a solid, Republican, gun-loving family, I guess she has determined that prayers are more appropriate than the death penalty.
Yeah....awkward....
The civil war is cancelled due to the shooter's demographics being inconvenient
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 04:23:25 PMThe civil war is cancelled due to the shooter's demographics being inconvenient
Please rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
lol
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
Charlie, the hatemonger who espoused violent rhetoric but wasn't far enough right for some dudes like Fuentes, proposed we all live in peace and harmony? Fuckin lol
Edit: Translating that for Zoomers, "💀"
So, is it finally time, at long last, to deport all Mormons?
Wellsstreetwanderer, I am glad you are here and brought this up. For those of us who don't usually pay attention to young, conservative influencers, can you help explain the nuance between Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes? And why a (possible)Fuentes acolyte would deem it appropriate to shoot Charlie Kirk? Thanks.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2025, 04:55:33 PMWellsstreetwanderer, I am glad you are here and brought this up. For those of us who don't usually pay attention to young, conservative influencers, can you help explain the nuance between Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes? And why a (possible)Fuentes acolyte would deem it appropriate to shoot Charlie Kirk? Thanks.
lol
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
teal?
Asked Friday on "Fox & Friends" how Americans can "come back together" to "fix this country" after the fatal shooting in Utah on Wednesday that conservatives have blamed on Democrats and the media, Trump appeared wholly disinterested in any semblance of reconciliation.
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"I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less," he said.
Quote from: Jockey on September 12, 2025, 05:43:53 PMAsked Friday on "Fox & Friends" how Americans can "come back together" to "fix this country" after the fatal shooting in Utah on Wednesday that conservatives have blamed on Democrats and the media, Trump appeared wholly disinterested in any semblance of reconciliation.
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"I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less," he said.
Muggsy, care to comment?
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
WWG1WGA
Is there some kind of Mormon merit badge for teaching your kids to shoot straight?
Quote from: Jockey on September 12, 2025, 06:01:07 PMIs there some kind of Mormon merit badge for teaching your kids to shoot straight?
This is a worthwhile post. Thank you for posing the question.
Been offline at a golf outing all day, did they cancel the civil war?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 05:45:12 PMMuggsy, care to comment?
He's been uncharacteristically quiet. Maybe he's on another vacation.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 05:45:12 PMMuggsy, care to comment?
Not mug but I'm shocked he actually got the phase correct.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 12, 2025, 07:14:45 PMHe's been uncharacteristically quiet. Maybe he's on another vacation.
He can't comprehend the truth. Like usual
WSJ seemed certain this was a cut and dry case. Now they're stunned the guy that committed the crime was capable of this.
Certain it was transgender shooter and now it's a white guy from a stable, gun-loving family and can't figure out how it happened.
Both sides, Muggsy.
Quote from: Jockey on September 12, 2025, 04:52:31 PMSo, is it finally time, at long last, to deport all Mormons?
Ban them from owning guns.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 12, 2025, 09:50:51 PMBan them from owning guns.
Joseph Smith was the first presidential candidate to be assassinated, murdered by a mob in Illinois. They were pushed out West after they were expelled from Missouri and Illinois.
We midwesterners have a history of crushing religious extremism.
Them: Killed by the left because he spoke the truth
Reality: Killed by the right because he spoke a watered down truth
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 10:01:59 PMJoseph Smith was the first presidential candidate to be assassinated, murdered by a mob in Illinois. They were pushed out West after they were expelled from Missouri and Illinois.
We midwesterners have a history of crushing religious extremism.
Everytime I go visit the daughter in Vermont I pass the I-89 highway sign that reads "Joseph Smith Birthplace Exit xx".
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 08:11:04 PMHe can't comprehend the truth. Like usual
I've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
Hmm
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMI've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
In other words: Ignores death count, ignores study tallying likelihood of violence, ignores the posts comparing rhetoric, defaults to "my feelings!"
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMAs for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
You're simply wrong. But you are a simpleton, so that checks out. Compare the reactions to Paul Pelosi or the murdered politicians in Minnesota to that of Charlie Kirk and tell me how "a wide range of people in leadership positions" reacted.
Not that facts have any chance in penetrating your feelings, but here you go:
https://www.start.umd.edu/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus-keshif
(https://images2.imgbox.com/5b/22/S494A7nU_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/S494A7nU)
(https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1966683987071418834/photo/1)
Suddenly, quoting Charlie Kirk is deeply offensive to Charlie Kirk fans.
Hmm
Muggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic. However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 08:55:29 AMMuggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic. However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.
Yeah, but people are calling people with fascist ideology fascists. That's pretty inflammatory.
Seeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.
Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.
How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?
They have to. Anything to avoid looking in the mirror.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 08:55:29 AMMuggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic. However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.
Everyone has failed protecting our tremendous members of the animal kingdom. This isn't debatable. I'm curious Tower if you've ever attended campus protests regarding Israel/Palestine or anti-police protests? When there are incidents or violence would you characterize them as political? Also, there is a huge difference between Gen Z and young millennials vs Baby Boomers and Gen X when it comes to justifying political violence. Why do you think that's the case?
The internet. And thank you for buttressing my point.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 11:07:41 AMEveryone has failed protecting our tremendous members of the animal kingdom. This isn't debatable. I'm curious Tower if you've ever attended campus protests regarding Israel/Palestine or anti-police protests? When there are incidents or violence would you characterize them as political? Also, there is a huge difference between Gen Z and young millennials vs Baby Boomers and Gen X when it comes to justifying political violence. Why do you think that's the case?
Video games
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMI've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
So much in here is emotional, uninformed and just plain wrong. You want glee? Just do 3 minutes of googling to remind yourself what your leader and those who support him had to say after the attack on Paul Pelosi. That you think only conservatives are victimized is quaint. Ignorant, but quaint.
Quote from: MU82 on September 13, 2025, 11:51:28 AMSo much in here is emotional, uninformed and just plain wrong. You want glee? Just do 3 minutes of googling to remind yourself what your leader and those who support him had to say after the attack on Paul Pelosi. That you think only conservatives are victimized is quaint. Ignorant, but quaint.
I never stared "only conservatives are victimized" at all. You just literally conjured something out of thin air.
And by the way, I'm not exactly a Trump humper. I just think he's the lesser of the two evils. And your "guy" literally was a puppet of your party and not our acting president.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 12:00:24 PMAnd by the way, I'm not exactly a Trump humper. I just think he's the lesser of the two evils. And your "guy" literally was a puppet of your party and not our acting president.
It would be VERY good for this country if Donald Trump were simply a puppet.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2025, 12:04:20 PMIt would be VERY good for this country if Donald Trump were simply a puppet.
I'm glad you agree that Biden wasn't calling the shots.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
Absolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.
Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2025, 12:36:53 PMAbsolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.
Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.
Yeah, how could there possibly be any connection between his partner transitioning and his motivation to murder Charlie? And a flimsy confirmation by source in law enforcement? Narrative was threatened there for a moment. Good thing you're here.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 13, 2025, 11:59:13 AMC'mon...it's porn
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Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2025, 12:36:53 PMAbsolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.
Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.
+1
I am just glad he worked through his grief so quickly. Healthy sign.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 10:14:37 AMSeeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.
Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.
How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?
Not to mention college students are way more conservative now than they were a generation ago.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMI've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
Who on the left has been gleeful about it? I'm sure they are some crazies, but I'm left of "liberal" and I don't know anyone who wanted him to die.
I'm not going to mourn him, he spread evil to make a living. But I definitely feel for his wife and especially his two kids.
My biggest issue is the posthumous reframing of him as this guy who was a beacon of free speech. He's not Nick Fuentes, but he represented and promoted the worst of what the world has to offer.
And your last two sentences are just easily disprovable drivel. The far left has some dangerous people. The far right is fucking in power and are actively spreading dangerous rhetoric. And their behaviors are being modeled in a lot of homes across the country.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 01:23:26 PMI am just glad he worked through his grief so quickly. Healthy sign.
Your sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 10:14:37 AMSeeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.
Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.
How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?
Easy. Rich powerful people are never the villain. THEY decide who the villians are.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 02:14:04 PMYour sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.
His wife is grifting, not grieving over this. It's not that deep, bro
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 13, 2025, 01:06:40 PMYeah, how could there possibly be any connection between his partner transitioning and his motivation to murder Charlie? And a flimsy confirmation by source in law enforcement? Narrative was threatened there for a moment. Good thing you're here.
If they even exist, they could just as easily have been one of the good ones that helped turn him in. Too early to make any assumptions. Yesterday, a few posters said hold off on making assumptions, which I completely agreed with, but then collectively proceeded to post several pages worth of weird baseless nonsense. Where did that crazy stuff even come from?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
You're sick. Help is available.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 02:14:04 PMYour sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.
No hate. I am rooting for you and thought this return to normalcy for you was a good sign. I would hug you if I could.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 13, 2025, 02:29:32 PMHis wife is grifting, not grieving over this. It's not that deep, bro
Broke free of that subservient nonsense. Now she can cash in.
$$$$$$
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
So you link a NY-post article, whose only source is an anonymous "leak," where no evidence is provided, including comments that the roommate was not trans, and they weren't "partners." Other articles say neighbors say they had never seen anything to indicate that the roommate was trans, or that they were a couple.
Seems like an extremely reckless and un-sourced article that puts peoples lives at risk.
Yeah, I haven't even seen Fox News run with this yet. Wouldn't be the first time this speculation jumped the gun in the last few days.
So the guy who calls everyone liars is actually the worst liar?
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 02:50:30 PMSo you link a NY-post article, whose only source is an anonymous "leak," where no evidence is provided, including comments that the roommate was not trans, and they weren't "partners." Other articles say neighbors say they had never seen anything to indicate that the roommate was trans, or that they were a couple.
Seems like an extremely reckless and un-sourced article that puts peoples lives at risk.
How many New York Times and Washington Post stories are anonymously sourced and yet their veracity is accepted. If the story is incorrect I would hope the NYPost would write a retraction.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 13, 2025, 02:58:05 PMYeah, I haven't even seen Fox News run with this yet. Wouldn't be the first time this speculation jumped the gun in the last few days.
Well out of the last 4200 mass killers in this country, 4 have been trans.
So maybe it's time to bring out the Dumb and Dumber line.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 03:15:53 PMHow many New York Times and Washington Post stories are anonymously sourced and yet their veracity is accepted. If the story is incorrect I would hope the NYPost would write a retraction.
;D ;D ;D ;D
I bet Herm was the anonymous source for the NyPost
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 04:16:13 PMThe WSJ reporting a leaked memo saying the bullets had Antifa and trans ideologies on them and then the New York times refuting that a couple hours later is about as good as a representation of current affairs as any
Yeah what could go wrong with gleefully posting a sole anonymous source
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 03:15:53 PMHow many New York Times and Washington Post stories are anonymously sourced and yet their veracity is accepted. If the story is incorrect I would hope the NYPost would write a retraction.
Yeah, that's not how it works.
Make a baseless accusation ("Paul Pelosi was with his gay lover!"). The right-wing echo chamber picks it up and repeats it endlessly for days. If it is untrue, quietly mention this--once.
Result: A meaningful percentage of the population believes the original lie is true.
Example: Many, many right-wingers believe the murderer of the politicians in Minnesota is 1) Tim Walz' friend, and 2) a radical lefty. Utter lies, but that is the entire purpose of the little dance they engage in time after time to radicalize their viewers.
Feeling really bad for the Utah governor today that the shooter wasn't an immigrant.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 02:50:30 PMSo you link a NY-post article, whose only source is an anonymous "leak," where no evidence is provided, including comments that the roommate was not trans, and they weren't "partners." Other articles say neighbors say they had never seen anything to indicate that the roommate was trans, or that they were a couple.
Seems like an extremely reckless and un-sourced article that puts peoples lives at risk.
Yup. There's just as much (if not more) evidence that Robinson was a far-far-right-wingnut as that he had a trans partner.
I always assume a story in the NY Post is fiction until proven otherwise.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 04:43:36 PMI always assume a story in the NY Post is fiction until proven otherwise.
Which sources "stories" do you read and immediately believe?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 04:53:36 PMWhich sources "stories" do you read and immediately believe?
Is that the defense of NYP you're going with
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 13, 2025, 04:55:15 PMIs that the defense of NYP you're going with
So many of you are so quick to make up stuff in your heads. It's remarkable. I pray for you.
And I, you. I said a decade of a rosary for you last night. For someone who loses their stuff when there is an early miscount of victims, taking the NYP at face value seems incongruous.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 04:57:28 PMSo many of you are so quick to make up stuff in your heads. It's remarkable. I pray for you.
Yeah! Get his ass!
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 05:10:46 PMAnd I, you. I said a decade of a rosary for you last night. For someone who loses their stuff when there is an early miscount of victims, taking the NYP at face value seems incongruous.
However, that never happened. Again, you're making things up. I pray you can find common sense and decency. Peace be upon you.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 13, 2025, 02:58:05 PMYeah, I haven't even seen Fox News run with this yet. Wouldn't be the first time this speculation jumped the gun in the last few days.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 05:21:52 PMhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
Thanks for monitoring Fox News 24/7. We'll see if this info is as solid as the stuff that led to Fox having to pay Dominion $787M.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 05:21:52 PMhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
And Foxnews is being equally reckless. Let's hypothetically say he did live with a Trans individual...it's as irrelevant to motive as his family being Trumpers, this needlessly puts members of the LGBTQ community at risk for retaliatory attacks.
There is currently more evidence that he was a Groyper than anything else, but no one ran with that story.
Those decrying violence in politics, should be outraged, that certain media is doing everything in their power to continue to propagate hate and inspire more political violence.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 05:32:03 PMAnd Foxnews is being equally reckless. Let's hypothetically say he did live with a Trans individual...it's as irrelevant to motive as his family being Trumpers, this needlessly puts members of the LGBTQ community at risk for retaliatory attacks.
There is currently more evidence that he was a Groyper than anything else, but no one ran with that story.
Prayers for you. That you find simple logic and sanity.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 05:32:03 PMAnd Foxnews is being equally reckless. Let's hypothetically say he did live with a Trans individual...it's as irrelevant to motive as his family being Trumpers, this needlessly puts members of the LGBTQ community at risk for retaliatory attacks.
There is currently more evidence that he was a Groyper than anything else, but no one ran with that story.
Those decrying violence in politics, should be outraged, that certain media is doing everything in their power to continue to propagate hate and inspire more political violence.
They want violence against trans people. It's not complicated
Good lord people, you're still going at it?
I will assume the past few days and dozen pages of some of the wisest, well researched and soundest logic paired with unrefutably accurate facts has move not even one soul one inch off their original positions.
Go outside, hug you children or give your mother a call.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 05:17:04 PMHowever, that never happened. Again, you're making things up. I pray you can find common sense and decency. Peace be upon you.
Which? Yes, I said a decade of rosary you and for Blackhat. It is what Mary would want.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 13, 2025, 05:37:46 PMGood lord people, you're still going at it?
I will assume the past few days and dozen pages of some of the wisest, well researched and soundest logic paired with unrefutably accurate facts has move not even one soul one inch off their original positions.
Go outside, hug you children or give your mother a call.
I texted my friend who is trans and having a real hard time lately with so many people behaving similarly to those on this board. Strangers outright wishing she would kill herself or not exist.
I reminded her I am here to listen and that it was not her fault that an outraging stoking podcaster got shot despite some wanting to scapegoat her entire existence as the reason.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 13, 2025, 05:37:46 PMGood lord people, you're still going at it?
I will assume the past few days and dozen pages of some of the wisest, well researched and soundest logic paired with unrefutably accurate facts has move not even one soul one inch off their original positions.
Go outside, hug you children or give your mother a call.
After reading this thread, I signed up for a militia.
Kirk was preoccupied with the idea of "Black crime," and on the last episode of his show before he was killed, he devoted a segment to "the ever-increasing amount of Black crime," telling his audience, falsely, that "one in 22 Black men will be a murderer in their lifetime" and that "by age of 23, half of all Black males have been arrested and not enough of them have been arrested."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.syoh.898ezmQg_rnf&smid=url-share
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 13, 2025, 06:53:14 PMKirk was preoccupied with the idea of "Black crime," and on the last episode of his show before he was killed, he devoted a segment to "the ever-increasing amount of Black crime," telling his audience, falsely, that "one in 22 Black men will be a murderer in their lifetime" and that "by age of 23, half of all Black males have been arrested and not enough of them have been arrested."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.syoh.898ezmQg_rnf&smid=url-share
My goodness. Prayers for you.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 06:59:23 PMMy goodness. Prayers for you.
I appreciate that Jay Bee. Racism is a plague on this country and I hope as someone with privilege that I can do things in my day to day to prevent it from getting worse however I can.
Your prayers are much appreciated
It sounds like his wife will continue the grift and is taking millions in donations for defamation lawsuits (despite the fact a dead person cannot be defamed). Guaranteed she'll be running for Arizona Senate seat or Governor's race.
It's only other women who need to forego a career, pump out children and submit to their men
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 13, 2025, 07:26:32 PMIt sounds like his wife will continue the grift and is taking millions in donations for defamation lawsuits (despite the fact a dead person cannot be defamed). Guaranteed she'll be running for Arizona Senate seat or Governor's race.
It's only other women who need to forego a career, pump out children and submit to their men
This is not rationale, human thought. I pray for you.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 13, 2025, 07:26:32 PMIt sounds like his wife will continue the grift and is taking millions in donations for defamation lawsuits (despite the fact a dead person cannot be defamed). Guaranteed she'll be running for Arizona Senate seat or Governor's race.
It's only other women who need to forego a career, pump out children and submit to their men
Well she did, until she was liberated
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 04:53:36 PMWhich sources "stories" do you read and immediately believe?
Pretty much nothing you post.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 13, 2025, 07:58:28 PMPretty much nothing you post.
Why not name some or one? Odd.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 07:59:27 PMWhy not name some or one? Odd.
Because the global statement suffices.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 13, 2025, 08:15:13 PMBecause the global statement suffices.
Thank you for helping me better understanding cowardism.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:25:05 PMThank you for helping me better understanding cowardism.
I don't perform for you because you're clearly not worth the effort.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 13, 2025, 08:38:39 PMI don't perform for you because you're clearly not worth the effort.
Thank you for advancing my knowledge of beta males.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:50:06 PMThank you for advancing my knowledge of beta males.
You're welcome.
By the way, sorry to hear about your friend. Hope peace finds you soon.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 07:32:55 PMThis is not rationale, human thought. I pray for you.
No, that deranged campaign and fundraising speech she gave was not rationale.
"If you THOUGHT that my husband's mission was powerful before? You have NO IDEA. You have no idea what you've just unleashed across this entire country, and this world.
"The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no IDEA what they have done."
"The movement will NOT DIE. I refuse to let that happen."
Go here to donate...
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:25:05 PMThank you for helping me to better understanding understand cowardism.
Also, cowardism is not a word.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:50:06 PMThank you for advancing my knowledge of beta males.
This is what real men discuss
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48741.0
@Everyone please note for the future
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 13, 2025, 10:30:41 PMThis is what real men discuss
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48741.0
@Everyone please note for the future
And this.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66365.0
Charlie Kirk will divide.
Marquette Basketball will unite.
51 days.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
The NY Post is a tabloid. Unless you're trying to make jokes like the rest of us about the absurdity of a pro-gun nut dying to gun violence?
The Post did get the Headless Body In Topless Bar exclusive, though.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 07:32:55 PMThis is not rationale, human thought. I pray for you.
I believe the word you're looking for is "rational." Comma is also extraneous.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 05:10:46 PMAnd I, you. I said a decade of a rosary for you last night. For someone who loses their stuff when there is an early miscount of victims, taking the NYP at face value seems incongruous.
The infamous clip from the Val Kilmer classic,
Top Secret, always make me chuckle when I hear NY Post.
https://youtu.be/D9FauQOXN90?si=2u43SWeonWp1m4tw
Quote from: MU82 on September 14, 2025, 12:37:36 AMThe Post did get the Headless Body In Topless Bar exclusive, though.
The reporter who wrote the story should have gotten the sought-after Journalism Booby Prize if the headline read
Topless Body Found in Topless Bar.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 05:33:37 PMPrayers for you. That you find simple logic and sanity.
Let's add some "thoughts" to those "prayers" so that we know you really, really mean it.
Not a fan of The Nation but this is a very good write-up on the whitewashing of our newest saint (whose actual worda we aren't supposed to talk about):
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/charlie-kirk-assassination-maga/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMxgFNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHozSLUT2FPFzFZlOcu_Kv1_X0Y3-Glvx5FfEgBjCC5rKdqWAxE48-DkLyYgv_aem_B7LBTqKi_DpiGF7yMgxgMw#
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2025, 11:05:02 AMNot a fan of The Nation but this is a very good write-up on the whitewashing of our newest saint (which qe aren't supposed to take about):
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/charlie-kirk-assassination-maga/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMxgFNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHozSLUT2FPFzFZlOcu_Kv1_X0Y3-Glvx5FfEgBjCC5rKdqWAxE48-DkLyYgv_aem_B7LBTqKi_DpiGF7yMgxgMw#
Thanks for posting. That's probably the best column I've read on this topic.
Quote from: MU82 on September 14, 2025, 11:21:40 AMThanks for posting. That's probably the best column I've read on this topic.
I prefer the ones for shaming me for not feeling bad enough and threatening my livelihood for not adequately saluting the half mast flag about it
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 14, 2025, 12:27:00 PMI prefer the ones for shaming me for not feeling bad enough and threatening my livelihood for not adequately saluting the half mast flag about it
and then trying to get you fired from your job?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 14, 2025, 12:27:00 PMI prefer the ones for shaming me for not feeling bad enough and threatening my livelihood for not adequately saluting the half mast flag about it
(https://media.tenor.com/OH7l8jyOBEoAAAAM/grand-salute-jerk-off.gif)
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 14, 2025, 12:52:25 PMand then trying to get you fired from your job?
Nobody wants to work anymore
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 14, 2025, 01:23:13 PMSame
If you pm me your work email, I'll send you mine and we can email each other's HR depts with emails full of dog whistles and typos complaining
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 14, 2025, 01:36:07 PMIf you pm me your work email, I'll send you mine and we can email each other's HR depts with emails full of dog whistles and typos complaining
So far I've been unwilling to terminate myself despite the evidence of my incompetence.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 14, 2025, 07:32:42 AMThe infamous clip from the Val Kilmer classic, Top Secret, always make me chuckle when I hear NY Post.
https://youtu.be/D9FauQOXN90?si=2u43SWeonWp1m4tw
I think of Public Enemy:
Here's a letter to the New York Post
The worst piece of paper on the east coast
Matter of fact the whole state's forty cents
in New York City fifty cents elsewhere
It makes no goddamn sense at all
America's oldest continuously published daily piece of bullshit
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2025, 04:12:52 PMI think of Public Enemy:
Here's a letter to the New York Post
The worst piece of paper on the east coast
Matter of fact the whole state's forty cents
in New York City fifty cents elsewhere
It makes no goddamn sense at all
America's oldest continuously published daily piece of bullshit
Chuck is a friend.
"Neither party is mine, not the jackass or the elephant"
Kirk was a proponent of "replacement theory" - positing that Jews are trying to replace white Americans with nonwhite immigrants. That ideology motivated the gunman who killed 11 worshipers at a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018. It also was what the Charlottesville white supremacists were chanting about in 2017.
He also accused Jewish philanthropists of fomenting anti-whiteness by supporting liberal anti-racism causes: "The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country."
In 2023, Kirk went all-in on The Big Trope, accusing Jews of controlling "not just the colleges — it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it."
But let's make sure we punish some powerless 19-year-old college student for protesting Netanyahu starving kids in Gaza. Because that's the real antisemitism.
The Kult of Kirk is real. They're also big mad four NFL teams didn't mourn a podcaster. Go Lions!
https://x.com/SaraGonzalesTX/status/1967304117686288590
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2025, 07:54:38 PMThe Kult of Kirk is real. They're also big mad four NFL teams didn't mourn a podcaster. Go Lions!
https://x.com/SaraGonzalesTX/status/1967304117686288590
The NFL needs to mourn every child shot in a school shooting and every murder in Chicago so both sides are happy?
If you're in church, why mourn? He's with his best friend, Jesus, isn't he?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 08:04:11 PMThe NFL needs to mourn every child shot in a school shooting and every murder in Chicago so both sides are happy?
If you're in church, why mourn? He's with his best friend, Jesus, isn't he?
He was such a saint, someone who soread love and tolerance for everyone regardless of their political ideology. I look forward to visiting the Charlie Kirk memorial during my next visit to DC
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-joe-biden-should-be-put-prison-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 08:04:11 PMThe NFL needs to mourn every child shot in a school shooting and every murder in Chicago so both sides are happy?
If you're in church, why mourn? He's with his best friend, Jesus, isn't he?
Would be nice if they could bring themselves to mourn the children literally killed in one
God bless Catholicism. Leo may have forbidden it.
When the White House flies their flags have staff for the death of Charlie Kirk but not for the death of John McCain...
Quote from: wadesworld on September 14, 2025, 09:04:16 PMWhen the White House flies their flags have staff for the death of Charlie Kirk but not for the death of John McCain...
And they had to be shamed into lowering them for President Jimmy Carter
as if we didn't already know the office of the Vice President was worthless.
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1967392650144649272
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 15, 2025, 09:17:41 AMas if we didn't already know the office of the Vice President was worthless.
https://x.com/JDVance/status/1967392650144649272
Congrats to JD on his dream job
23 pages for this, a blip for those slain in Minnesota in political violence?
Someone's gotta tell me why a youtuber is more important.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 15, 2025, 09:32:29 AM23 pages for this, a blip for those slain in Minnesota in political violence?
Someone's gotta tell me why a youtuber is more important.
Well, he's a white male grifter
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 15, 2025, 09:32:29 AM23 pages for this, a blip for those slain in Minnesota in political violence?
Someone's gotta tell me why a youtuber is more important.
I think part of the number of posts is due to expressing that same sentiment. Also, maybe just because I'm online more than the average person, Kirk is a much bigger name than them and more controversial.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 15, 2025, 09:32:29 AM23 pages for this, a blip for those slain in Minnesota in political violence?
Someone's gotta tell me why a youtuber is more important.
Did a lot for awareness of Gingival Hyperplasia. He wasn't all bad
nm - wrong thread
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 15, 2025, 09:32:29 AM23 pages for this, a blip for those slain in Minnesota in political violence?
Someone's gotta tell me why a youtuber is more important.
If you are wondering why it's a lengthy topic here, it's because of his influence over the country and policy. He was a de facto mouthpiece and propagandist of the current administration. Even in his last week, after a call from the POTUS he told his millions of followers to stop worrying about the Epstein files. His influence over millions of loyalists to the administration is beyond cultish and the comments by his widow (obviously written for her by the Trump administration, probably Kirk's best friend JD Vance) were pretty much a call to violence against those they want to have been the perpetrators.
There is also a witch hunt for private citizens, politicans and even military personnel who dared say anything remotely critical of Kirk. Secretary of Defense Jim Beam is currently rooting out any military members who were critical of a private citizen.
https://x.com/PeteHegseth/status/1966274615975739604?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1966274615975739604%7Ctwgr%5Efddd0ef2a66181a85d36d8a114baf4d0a61bb67c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fhegseth-issues-warning-military-personnel-celebrating-charlie-kirk-death-2128907
Conservatives: "It's crazy that someone is killed for exercising their right to free speech."
Also conservatives: "If you said anything bad about Charlie Kirk, we will find you."
The sniveling snowflakes are fully embracing cancel culture.
Oblivious to the irony
Quote from: MU82 on September 15, 2025, 11:16:23 AMThe sniveling snowflakes are fully embracing cancel culture.
cancelation for thee, not for me.
Quote from: tower912 on September 15, 2025, 11:18:23 AMOblivious to the irony
I don't think it's being oblivious, I think it was just never about actual free speech and moreso that it should be illegal to be mean about or disagree with my views.
Summarized pretty well here
https://x.com/KrangTNelson/status/1002538410802860032?lang=en
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1786189687260103119
Quote from: The Sultan on September 15, 2025, 01:21:01 PMhttps://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1786189687260103119
Careful. Using his own words apparently is a fire-able offense.
Imagine how busy Keefe would be this week if he was still here.
the good news is that anyone who uses Kirk's words or doesn't admit the man was Jesus amongst the living will be punished. Praise be to our VP, you know, the one who lectured Europe on not having "free speech."
JD Vance: "When you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder...call their employer."
https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1967652602793038252
Quote from: The Sultan on September 15, 2025, 01:21:01 PMhttps://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1786189687260103119
You can pry the ugly, gross, evil speech about Charlie Kirk out of my cold dead hands
If you don't see the path we're on as a nation, you're willfully blind. Dear leader and Stasi stuff heading your way.
That's why they're fascists
https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyvpzttg5w2r
Kid was on a very conservative campus at Utah State.
https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3lyvpshewjs2v
Why they don't want people to be educated. Because the uneducated will believe these lies
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 04:27:17 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyvpzttg5w2r
Kid was on a very conservative campus at Utah State.
https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3lyvpshewjs2v
Why they don't want people to be educated. Because the uneducated will believe these lies
I seem to remember an entire thread calling Wades's name change to Black Lives Matter as being racist
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 15, 2025, 04:29:46 PMI seem to remember an entire thread calling Wades's name change to Black Lives Matter as being racist
Oh yes. Think RoQQQuet was a big fan of that name change.
https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyvrvl5qhv2g
Bringing people together, Muggsy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 04:27:17 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyvpzttg5w2r
Kid was on a very conservative campus at Utah State.
https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3lyvpshewjs2v
Why they don't want people to be educated. Because the uneducated will believe these lies
Smart people don't like me.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 04:57:06 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyvrvl5qhv2g
Bringing people together, Muggsy.
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters.
He was clearly referencing people from Minnesota
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2025, 01:37:56 PMImagine how busy Keefe would be this week if he was still here.
Busy plagiarizing someone else's intellectual process and passing it off as his own, maybe.
Quote from: Jables1604 on September 15, 2025, 05:36:05 PMBusy plagiarizing someone else's intellectual process and passing it off as his own, maybe.
Man before his time
https://bsky.app/profile/ndrew.bsky.social/post/3lyvsw6kvwc2u
Bringing people together, Muggsy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 04:27:17 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyvpzttg5w2r
Kid was on a very conservative campus at Utah State.
https://bsky.app/profile/nycsouthpaw.bsky.social/post/3lyvpshewjs2v
Why they don't want people to be educated. Because the uneducated will believe these lies
reportedly the kid was never on campus; he took online classes from Utah State from his very MAGA, very religious home before dropping out and going to trade school...which the GOP pushes for boys to attend.
And while telling people not to send their kids to college, Arizona Palin went to Iowa and sends hers to college. Though she has been a strong supporter of Hillsdale Indoctrination Factory, er, College.
Arizona Palin. Funny stuff, Billy.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 15, 2025, 05:34:35 PMLooking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters.
He was clearly referencing people from Minnesota
People from Minnesota are tremendous members of our animal kingdom and their intelligence, escapability, and survival skills are remarkable. Unfortunately, they are very tasty and have short lives.
Candace Owens going on her show saying (paraphrasing) Charlie Kirk was killed by Bibi and Bill Ackman.
Quote from: forgetful on September 15, 2025, 11:00:12 PMCandace Owens going on her show saying (paraphrasing) Charlie Kirk was killed by Bibi and Bill Ackman.
It's just a distraction (from Bill Ackman's embarrassing tennis)
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 15, 2025, 11:11:10 PMIt's just a distraction (from Bill Ackman's embarrassing tennis)
No hear her out
Quote from: forgetful on September 15, 2025, 11:00:12 PMCandace Owens going on her show saying (paraphrasing) Charlie Kirk was killed by Bibi and Bill Ackman.
She's anti-Semitic, yet, Muggsy hasn't condemned her on scoop yet.
Ugh, Minneapolis is so done.
Yesterday, a little after 11am.. on a Monday morning.. mass shooting, 5 injured over south. This is a mile from where I grew up - the area is complete sh1t. Yes, there are some places in Minneapolis that look good and have great restaurants, etc.. there are also hellholes. This one, where as a kid I was at all the time, is a stretch no one who was sane would visit and comfortably walk by. Drug use, hookers, homeless, mentally ill.. all congregated, doing and selling drugs, all the time. It's disturbing, but the cops will only do anything after a few shootings.. then it clears out for a short time and right back to it.
That was followed up with another mass shooting, this time injuring 8, less than 12 hours after the first one, also nearby in S. Mpls at a lovely homeless encampment.
When criminals here are found, they usually have long rap sheets. The police are lacking, but many of the judges here are ridiculous. Long past time to start locking up repeat violent offenders or this is what you get.. and we have gotten it.
This place is so nutzo politically that it'll continue to get worse. My city is done. Very sad to see. A-Rod, please erect a new Wolves arena in the suburbs. xoxoxo
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 07:45:09 AMUgh, Minneapolis is so done.
Yesterday, a little after 11am.. on a Monday morning.. mass shooting, 5 injured over south. This is a mile from where I grew up - the area is complete sh1t. Yes, there are some places in Minneapolis that look good and have great restaurants, etc.. there are also hellholes. This one, where as a kid I was at all the time, is a stretch no one who was sane would visit and comfortably walk by. Drug use, hookers, homeless, mentally ill.. all congregated, doing and selling drugs, all the time. It's disturbing, but the cops will only do anything after a few shootings.. then it clears out for a short time and right back to it.
That was followed up with another mass shooting, this time injuring 8, less than 12 hours after the first one, also nearby in S. Mpls at a lovely homeless encampment.
When criminals here are found, they usually have long rap sheets. The police are lacking, but many of the judges here are ridiculous. Long past time to start locking up repeat violent offenders or this is what you get.. and we have gotten it.
This place is so nutzo politically that it'll continue to get worse. My city is done. Very sad to see. A-Rod, please erect a new Wolves arena in the suburbs. xoxoxo
It's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted. Hail St. Charlie.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 16, 2025, 08:20:32 AMIt's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted. Hail St. Charlie.
As long as the guns are safe from big government and the poor and downtrodden are ignored in favor of tax cuts for the rich, Minneapolis could be safe again. Luckily for us, that's the direction we're heading.
Sure, we'll get a performative gesture from the federal government who will overstep their reach at some point in Minneapolis to the delight of the privileged and phony tough guys who wouldn't understand hard times if it danced on their faces.
Mass incarceration, a democratic action of the 90's under Clinton, clearly showed that's the answer.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 07:45:09 AMDrug use, hookers, homeless, mentally ill.. all congregated, doing and selling drugs, all the time. It's disturbing, but the cops will only do anything after a few shootings.. then it clears out for a short time and right back to it.
That was followed up with another mass shooting, this time injuring 8, less than 12 hours after the first one, also nearby in S. Mpls at a lovely homeless encampment.
Don't worry. Kilmeade has a plan.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 16, 2025, 08:39:21 AMDon't worry. Kilmeade has a plan.
If you quote Kirk's words, you're asking to be fired from your job.
If you advocate for mass murder through involuntary lethal injection, it's all good.
Congratulations America, you've officially reached fascism!
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 16, 2025, 09:00:30 AMIf you quote Kirk's words, you're asking to be fired from your job.
Examples?
#FakeNews
#Lies
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 09:02:27 AMExamples?
#FakeNews
#Lies
Karen Attiah at the Washington Post
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 09:10:07 AMKaren Attiah at the Washington Post
Not the same, Rico. Karen completely mischaracterized that Charlie meant all black people were less qualified. He specifically called out Michelle Obama as someone in her spot because of DEI. He clearly just thinks Jay Bee or other white man is more qualified for the role of *checks notes* Barack Obama's wife.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 16, 2025, 09:17:35 AMNot the same, Rico. Karen completely mischaracterized that Charlie meant all black people were less qualified. He specifically called out Michelle Obama as someone in her spot because of DEI. He clearly just thinks Jay Bee or other white man is more qualified for the role of *checks notes* Barack Obama's wife.
don't forget the Charlie Kirk lie that he was rejected from West Point for"a far less-qualified candidate of a different gender and a different persuasion." He later tried to claim he was being "sarcastic."
As we all know by now, anything Chucky said was either "sarcasm" or "taken out of context."
https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyxjz73pky2g
Whaddya think, Muggs?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 09:36:29 AMhttps://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lyxjz73pky2g
Whaddya think, Muggs?
I'm sure that was taken out of context.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 16, 2025, 09:17:35 AMNot the same, Rico. Karen completely mischaracterized that Charlie meant all black people were less qualified. He specifically called out Michelle Obama as someone in her spot because of DEI. He clearly just thinks Jay Bee or other white man is more qualified for the role of *checks notes* Barack Obama's wife.
If Errol Musk was to be believed about Barry, Jay Bee might just be more qualified for that and could finally be happy
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 16, 2025, 09:00:30 AMIf you quote Kirk's words, you're asking to be fired from your job.
I think most are fired due to the massive amount of negative attention and harassment they brought upon their company, not necessarily because of the content in their posts. It's reasonable to fire someone if their actions threaten the company's bottom line. No one really has a spine yet when it comes to cancel culture, especially when it's a lot easier to just fire the Director of the Office Supplies Closet and be done with it.
https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lyxj2vzwhm2s
Care to comment, Muggsy?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 10:57:12 AMhttps://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lyxj2vzwhm2s
Care to comment, Muggsy?
He's Australian, first amendment rights don't apply
Refuse to make a cake for people because of their sexual orientation? That's your constitutional right.
Refuse to print a flyer for a Charlie Kirk vigil?
The government is coming after you.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/pam-bondi-charlie-kirk-office-depot-employee-b2827508.html
https://bsky.app/profile/404media.co/post/3lyxr54wow225
Care to comment, Muggsy?
Interesting, data-based piece about how people getting murdered via political "terrorism" is rare, and about the breakdown of who has been doing the murdering that has taken place.
https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states
Hardly surprising to see that significally more has been perpetrated by the "right" than by the "left."
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2025, 12:13:35 PMInteresting, data-based piece about how people getting murdered via political "terrorism" is rare, and about the breakdown of who has been doing the murdering that has taken place.
https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states
Hardly surprising to see that significally more has been perpetrated by the "right" than by the "left."
You're believing liberal filth like the Cato Institute?!
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 16, 2025, 12:19:00 PMYou're believing liberal filth like the Cato Institute?!
https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 16, 2025, 12:26:17 PMhttps://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf
I mean, OK...not sure how this is relevant.
Quote from: MU82 on September 16, 2025, 12:13:35 PMInteresting, data-based piece about how people getting murdered via political "terrorism" is rare, and about the breakdown of who has been doing the murdering that has taken place.
https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states
Hardly surprising to see that significally more has been perpetrated by the "right" than by the "left."
That's what our President and his staff said, and they certainly wouldn't distort the facts or intentionally say anything inaccurate, especially regarding the opposition party.
If there is anyone we should have confidence in to tell the truth, it's our Attorney General, who was the second choice behind Matt Gaetz.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 16, 2025, 12:34:09 PMThat's what our President and his staff said, and they certainly wouldn't distort the facts or intentionally say anything inaccurate, especially regarding the opposition party.
If there is anyone we should have confidence in to tell the truth, it's our Attorney General, who was the second choice behind Matt Gaetz.
Why are there so many pedophiles in Florida? Freaking Spain
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 16, 2025, 12:26:17 PMhttps://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf
People posting memes online and hurting my feelings are the same as people committing political violence. I'd say memes have become boogeymen like video games were boogeymen but unfortunately we're still blaming those too
Quote from: Pakuni on September 16, 2025, 11:31:43 AMRefuse to make a cake for people because of their sexual orientation? That's your constitutional right.
Refuse to print a flyer for a Charlie Kirk vigil?
The government is coming after you.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/pam-bondi-charlie-kirk-office-depot-employee-b2827508.html
What happens when my AI enabled printer decides Charlie was a bigot and doesn't want its ink associated with such things
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 12:35:03 PMWhy are there so many pedophiles in Florida? Freaking Spain
Time for a Mark Foley comeback campaign!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 12:06:59 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/404media.co/post/3lyxr54wow225
Care to comment, Muggsy?
Muggsy was right! Both sides!
(https://images2.imgbox.com/a3/6b/ZQrCBuQK_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/ZQrCBuQK)
75% to 4% is, technically, both sides.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 16, 2025, 01:05:42 PMMuggsy was right! Both sides!
(https://images2.imgbox.com/a3/6b/ZQrCBuQK_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/ZQrCBuQK)
75% to 4% is, technically, both sides.
very fine people
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Quote from: forgetful on September 15, 2025, 11:00:12 PMCandace Owens going on her show saying (paraphrasing) Charlie Kirk was killed by Bibi and Bill Ackman
Thanks for paraphrasing. It's very helpful (for you).
Disgraceful.
Quote from: forgetful on September 15, 2025, 11:00:12 PMCandace Owens going on her show saying (paraphrasing) Charlie Kirk was killed by Bibi and Bill Ackman.
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 16, 2025, 02:30:46 PMLooking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters.
I'm just posting what she said. She's as capable of rational thought as I am running a 4-minute mile.
"Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no," Owens said during the latest episode of the "Candace O Podcast," which she titled, "They Are Lying About Charlie Kirk." "Charlie was surrounded by his 'friends.' Bill Ackman was very upset and threats were made," she stated. Per her usual boldness, Owens even added that the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, was involved.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 16, 2025, 02:31:27 PMI'm just posting what she said. She's as capable of rational thought as I am running a 4-minute mile.
"Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no," Owens said during the latest episode of the "Candace O Podcast," which she titled, "They Are Lying About Charlie Kirk." "Charlie was surrounded by his 'friends.' Bill Ackman was very upset and threats were made," she stated. Per her usual boldness, Owens even added that the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, was involved.
I'm joking. My terminally online brain has extended to Scoop
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:05:45 PMHave you seen this video or heard the audio?
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters. Joking/laughing as you're wrapping up a fake rant on Taylor becoming conservative in the future ... c'mon bud.
https://x.com/grok/status/1967658491889455411?t=IHx6g3pP_eaUZyXNTPAw8w&s=19
#alternativefacts
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 16, 2025, 02:44:51 PMhttps://x.com/grok/status/1967658491889455411?t=IHx6g3pP_eaUZyXNTPAw8w&s=19
Wow. What else can Grok tell us?
Freaking weirdos.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 02:51:31 PMWow. What else can Grok tell us?
Freaking weirdos.
Transgenders are responsible for all violence in the USA.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 02:51:31 PMWow. What else can Grok tell us?
Freaking weirdos.
Grok, why do people make homophobic jokes?
People make homophobic jokes for a mix of reasons, often tied to social, psychological, or cultural factors. Some use humor to cope with discomfort or ignorance about homosexuality, reflecting a lack of understanding or exposure. Others might do it to fit in with a group, signaling conformity to perceived norms, especially in environments where homophobia is normalized or rewarded. It can also stem from insecurity, where targeting a marginalized group boosts the joker's sense of power or superiority.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 16, 2025, 03:05:16 PMGrok, why do people make homophobic jokes?
People make homophobic jokes for a mix of reasons, often tied to social, psychological, or cultural factors. Some use humor to cope with discomfort or ignorance about homosexuality, reflecting a lack of understanding or exposure. Others might do it to fit in with a group, signaling conformity to perceived norms, especially in environments where homophobia is normalized or rewarded. It can also stem from insecurity, where targeting a marginalized group boosts the joker's sense of power or superiority.
Missing the most obvious reason
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 02:51:31 PMWow. What else can Grok tell us?
Freaking weirdos.
Blaming Grok for presenting data from a study is certainly one way to try to avoid the truth.
If you want to try find fault with the data or methodology, have at it: https://www.csis.org/analysis/pushed-extremes-domestic-terrorism-amid-polarization-and-protest
But pulling a roqqet/muggsy and pretending it isn't real because it doesn't align with what you wish to believe was true is embarrassing.
15x the deaths from right-wing violence vs. left-wing violence. Both sides!
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 16, 2025, 03:08:55 PMBlaming Grok for presenting data from a study is certainly one way to try to avoid the truth.
If you want to try find fault with the data or methodology, have at it: https://www.csis.org/analysis/pushed-extremes-domestic-terrorism-amid-polarization-and-protest
But pulling a roqqet/muggsy and pretending it isn't real because it doesn't align with what you wish to believe was true is embarrassing.
15x the deaths from right-wing violence vs. left-wing violence. Both sides!
This sounds like politics. You should be banned again, unless certain people don't play by the rules. Your hate is evident. Jah bless.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:22:37 PMThis sounds like politics. You should be banned again, unless certain people don't play by the rules. Your hate is evident. Jah bless.
You being "that guy" is so unsurprising it's incredible.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:22:37 PMThis sounds like politics. You should be banned again, unless certain people don't play by the rules. Your hate is evident. Jah bless.
Not everyone can avoid hate like you do
https://x.com/chloetrapanotto/status/1967700559949074676?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:49:34 PMhttps://x.com/chloetrapanotto/status/1967700559949074676?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
#fakenews #lies
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:49:34 PMhttps://x.com/chloetrapanotto/status/1967700559949074676?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:22:37 PMThis sounds like politics. You should be banned again, unless certain people don't play by the rules. Your hate is evident. Jah bless.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:22:37 PMThis sounds like politics. You should be banned again, unless certain people don't play by the rules. Your hate is evident. Jah bless.
I always knew you were kind of stupid. Today I realized just how far that stupidity goes.
"I mean, just because he said words doesn't mean he meant them
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:49:34 PMhttps://x.com/chloetrapanotto/status/1967700559949074676?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
how dare people use his words:
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/us/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-in-his-own-words-prowling-blacks-and-the-great-replacement-strategy/
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-rhetoric-inspired-supporters-enraged-foes-2025-09-13/
During his show in April 2022, he argued that gay couples "are not happy just having marriage. Instead, they now want to corrupt your children."
"America was at its peak when we halted immigration for 40 years and we dropped our foreign-born percentage to its lowest level ever. We should be unafraid to do that." – The Charlie Kirk Show, August 22nd, 2025
"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different." – The Charlie Kirk Show, March 1st, 2024
"MLK was awful," Kirk said. "He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe."
"I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it," Kirk said at America Fest. "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s."
"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more."– The Charlie Kirk Show, May 19th, 2023
Remember, I pray for you hate-filled weirdos. God bless.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 04:21:06 PMRemember, I pray for you hate-filled weirdos. God bless.
Prayers have done so much to stop gun violence that this American hero died at the hands of gun violence. We appreciate the prayers. They heal all of us hate filled sinners.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 04:21:06 PMRemember, I pray for you hate-filled weirdos. God bless.
At Westboro Baptist?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 04:21:06 PMRemember, I pray for you hate-filled weirdos. God bless.
And I you. Can never have too many thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 16, 2025, 04:22:23 PMPrayers have done so much to stop gun violence that this American hero died at the hands of gun violence. We appreciate the prayers. They heal all of us hate filled sinners.
Satan is deep
within you; yet, I pray.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 16, 2025, 04:22:23 PMPrayers have done so much to stop gun violence that this American hero died at the hands of gun violence. We appreciate the prayers. They heal all of us hate filled sinners.
according to Charlie, his death by a gun was worth it.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 16, 2025, 05:00:01 PMaccording to Charlie, his death by a gun was worth it.
He died like he lived, hateful
Any comment, Muggsy?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-rapper-lynching-song-country-b2827708.html
If it was about animals...
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:22:37 PMThis sounds like politics. You should be banned again, unless certain people don't play by the rules. Your hate is evident. Jah bless.
I don't see any politics in the post, but I have seen many posters on both sides of the issue push the envelope. I appreciate the moderators' tolerance as I have been following the posts and links here and appreciate the contributions on both sides. I disagree with Kirk's positions on likely most everything (I didn't pay that much attention to him beforehand and have learned much from reading this thread) and am sorry to see him become a victim of political violence. I've read nothing to make me change either position.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on September 16, 2025, 05:26:04 PMI don't see any politics in the post, but I have seen many posters on both sides of the issue push the envelope.
lol, wat
Lots of you are crazy anti-Kirk... I mean, degrading the guy after he got shot and killed in public... why didn't you say much when he was alive? Seems bizarre. To celebrate and/or disregard a life so much.. but not much of a whimper prior to his death.
Don't understand. Nonetheless, probably will never understand many of you with such hate in their hearts. God Bless.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 05:41:21 PMLots of you are crazy anti-Kirk... I mean, degrading the guy after he got shot and killed in public... why didn't you say much when he was alive? Seems bizarre. To celebrate and/or disregard a life so much.. but not much of a whimper prior to his death.
Don't understand. Nonetheless, probably will never understand many of you with such hate in their hearts. God Bless.
Don't you have to get mad about hashtags?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 05:42:26 PMDon't you have to get mad about hashtags?
Lots of you are crazy anti-Kirk... I mean, degrading the guy after he got shot and killed in public... why didn't you say much when he was alive? Seems bizarre. To celebrate and/or disregard a life so much.. but not much of a whimper prior to his death.
Don't understand. Nonetheless, probably will never understand many of you with such hate in their hearts. God Bless.
I have some extra JB prayers if anyone wants any, I finished early.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 16, 2025, 05:46:35 PMI have some extra JB prayers if anyone wants any, I finished early.
I'm still okay, my love ... shouldn't be long until I can come home.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 05:47:27 PMI'm still okay, my love ... shouldn't be long until I can come home.
Wait I am talking about also praying. What are you talking about???
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 05:45:19 PMLots of you are crazy anti-Kirk... I mean, degrading the guy after he got shot and killed in public... why didn't you say much when he was alive? Seems bizarre. To celebrate and/or disregard a life so much.. but not much of a whimper prior to his death.
Don't understand. Nonetheless, probably will never understand many of you with such hate in their hearts. God Bless.
Many people hate racists, homophobes, misogynists and transphobes, charlatans that make a buck by being as divisive as humanly possible. It's not complicated.
Some people like that, because they're racist, homophobic, misogynistic or transphobic themselves. It's not complicated.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 05:48:43 PMMany people hate racists, homophobes, misogynists and transphobes, charlatans that make a buck by being as divisive as humanly possible. It's not complicated.
Some people like that, because they're racist, homophobic, misogynistic or transphobic themselves. It's not complicated.
It is complicated. People are individuals.
I'm still okay, my love ... shouldn't be long until I can come home.
I never paid attention to him, as I am utterly unimpressed by racism, misogyny, and hatemongering. I have demonstrated with Keefe, Chicos, the dentists, Guru, that those are my triggers and I will contest those who spew it. So, prior to his death, he was a non-entity to me. Just one more influencer getting rich off that which I find most odious.
He is not a martyr for any cause I want anything to do with. And don't give me any 'free speech' bullshit. His last words were a constitutionally protected racist dogwhistle. His ilk are demonstrating far greater attacks on free speech.
Quote from: tower912 on September 16, 2025, 06:15:03 PMI never paid attention to him, as I am utterly unimpressed by racism, misogyny, and hatemongering. I have demonstrated with Keefe, Chicos, the dentists, Guru, that those are my triggers and I will contest those who spew it. So, prior to his death, he was a non-entity to me. Just one more influencer getting rich off that which I find most odious.
He is not a martyr for any cause I want anything to do with. And don't give me any 'free speech' bullshit. His last words were a constitutionally protected racist dogwhistle. His ilk are demonstrating far greater attacks on free speech.
I feel the same way, Tower. To me, he was just another Trump mouthpiece podcaster whose shtick was to "debate" college kids and never let them win, then prove he was better. Then, when I saw the absolute canonization of him, comparing him to MLK, flags lowered, the President speaking out, calls for a statue in the Capitol, the Jesus welcomes Charlie Kirk to Heaven videos, the memes with him, JFK, RFK, MLK, etc., the calls for a civil war, so I delved deeper into what he was about and it was worse than I thought, especially learning that he chartered 30+ busses to invade the Capitol on January 6 and his MLK comments.
The tweets comparing him to Malcolm X are very funny
Non-politcal
Isaiah 5:20.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 16, 2025, 06:36:07 PMI feel the same way, Tower. To me, he was just another Trump mouthpiece podcaster whose shtick was to "debate" college kids and never let them win, then prove he was better. Then, when I saw the absolute canonization of him, comparing him to MLK, flags lowered, the President speaking out, calls for a statue in the Capitol, the Jesus welcomes Charlie Kirk to Heaven videos, the memes with him, JFK, RFK, MLK, etc., the calls for a civil war, so I delved deeper into what he was about and it was worse than I thought, especially learning that he chartered 30+ busses to invade the Capitol on January 6 and his MLK comments.
You've been insanely posting since a few hours after his shooting. Don't lie. Ick.
https://youtu.be/ncldTL4vYsY?si=0zr7ZlDpqTYZaV8t
Luckily pickleball is a sport you can play drunk too like darts or driving
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 02:02:56 PMThanks for paraphrasing. It's very helpful (for you).
Disgraceful.
Not sure what you find disgraceful about mentioning a crazy conspiracy theory out there for those that find conspiracy theories entertaining. Figured those that like wild conspiracy theories could find the link/video themselves, and those that don't could ignore it.
Apparently not.
Quote from: tower912 on September 16, 2025, 06:15:03 PMI never paid attention to him, as I am utterly unimpressed by racism, misogyny, and hatemongering. I have demonstrated with Keefe, Chicos, the dentists, Guru, that those are my triggers and I will contest those who spew it. So, prior to his death, he was a non-entity to me. Just one more influencer getting rich off that which I find most odious.
He is not a martyr for any cause I want anything to do with. And don't give me any 'free speech' bullshit. His last words were a constitutionally protected racist dogwhistle. His ilk are demonstrating far greater attacks on free speech.
What's a Chicos
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 07:27:43 PMhttps://youtu.be/ncldTL4vYsY?si=0zr7ZlDpqTYZaV8t
Good news! You can continue attacking transgenders like Jesus would and I'm happy to find out the gun is still safe! Win-win!
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 16, 2025, 07:41:31 PMLuckily pickleball is a sport you can play drunk too like darts or driving
The latter two require more athleticism.
Has anyone seen the full charging document. I'm trying to discern what the FBI, Governor of Utah, and Utah police found so incriminating of Robinson being radicalized by far-left extremist propaganda, that they found it necessary to repeat it over and over again in media.
All I've seen so far is a quote from his mom saying that he had become more political lately and was more supportive of gay and trans rights, and that he disagreed with his dad (who apparently was a strong MAGA Trump supporter). There are plenty of people on the right and left that are supportive of gay and trans rights, and that is hardly evidence of far-left extremism.
If there is not more, it is another embarrassment from the FBI, and the repeated narrative in the press dangerously stoked an already unstable situation.
Weird coincidence.
404 Media has reported that in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder, Trump's Justice Department deleted a study from its website stating that right-wing violence "continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism" in the United States. This comes as the Trump administration and Republicans generally blame political violence solely on the left.
The study was available online at least until Friday, according to 404 Media, but can now only be found via a Wayback Machine link.
https://newrepublic.com/post/200537/justice-department-deletes-study-politics-domestic-terrorists-right-wing
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 05:41:21 PMLots of you are crazy anti-Kirk... I mean, degrading the guy after he got shot and killed in public... why didn't you say much when he was alive? Seems bizarre. To celebrate and/or disregard a life so much.. but not much of a whimper prior to his death.
Don't understand. Nonetheless, probably will never understand many of you with such hate in their hearts. God Bless.
He was a racist and espoused violence. The way that someone dies, or the fact that they died, doesn't change how they lived.
Why not speak out against him while he was alive? Man, I don't comment on all those crazy racist alt-right podcasters. I didn't realize anyone here listened to those nut cases. Literally nuts to me. Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro, and Jordan Peterson, and Nick Fuentes, and Gavin McInnes. All those nut cases that prey on weak men, telling them that they can make them feel strong.
This isn't hyperbole. Anyone listening to those types of dudes is a broken man who needs help.
Quote from: forgetful on September 16, 2025, 08:06:14 PMHas anyone seen the full charging document. I'm trying to discern what the FBI, Governor of Utah, and Utah police found so incriminating of Robinson being radicalized by far-left extremist propaganda, that they found it necessary to repeat it over and over again in media.
All I've seen so far is a quote from his mom saying that he had become more political lately and was more supportive of gay and trans rights, and that he disagreed with his dad (who apparently was a strong MAGA Trump supporter). There are plenty of people on the right and left that are supportive of gay and trans rights, and that is hardly evidence of far-left extremism.
If there is not more, it is another embarrassment from the FBI, and the repeated narrative in the press dangerously stoked an already unstable situation.
wow
Quote from: forgetful on September 16, 2025, 08:06:14 PMHas anyone seen the full charging document. I'm trying to discern what the FBI, Governor of Utah, and Utah police found so incriminating of Robinson being radicalized by far-left extremist propaganda, that they found it necessary to repeat it over and over again in media.
All I've seen so far is a quote from his mom saying that he had become more political lately and was more supportive of gay and trans rights, and that he disagreed with his dad (who apparently was a strong MAGA Trump supporter). There are plenty of people on the right and left that are supportive of gay and trans rights, and that is hardly evidence of far-left extremism.
If there is not more, it is another embarrassment from the FBI, and the repeated narrative in the press dangerously stoked an already unstable situation.
The rank-and-file FBI have been leaking like crazy the past few days how unhinged and unprepared Casino Kash and Ding-A-Ling Dan have been dealing with this case.
Casino Kash made a fool of himself on Capitol Hill today protecting pedophiles. Sick stuff from the FBI.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 08:09:30 PMThe rank-and-file FBI have been leaking like crazy the past few days how unhinged and unprepared Casino Kash and Ding-A-Ling Dan have been dealing with this case.
Casino Kash made a fool of himself on Capitol Hill today protecting pedophiles. Sick stuff from the FBI.
Lot of major transgressions from the FBI leaders. Have to think there'd be more minor ones under Matt Gaetz
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 16, 2025, 08:16:00 PMLot of major transgressions from the FBI leaders. Have to think there'd be more minor ones under Matt Gaetz
Seems political.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 16, 2025, 08:16:00 PMLot of major transgressions from the FBI leaders. Have to think there'd be more minor ones under Matt Gaetz
All these pedophiles running free. So much for tough on crime, though I guess a lot of them want to lower the age of consent, so it shouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 08:17:12 PMSeems political.
#fakenews #lies
Matt Gaetz is simple a citizen now, a non-political pedophile
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 08:08:54 PMwow
Educate me.
I'd love to better understand, but have not found anything more than what the mom had said...that he had become "more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented"
And that he had enough of Kirk's "hatred"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-suspect-texts-evidence
They now report the remarks on the bullets were just memes and gamer jokes as everyone had mentioned.
If there is more, please point me in that direction.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 16, 2025, 08:08:19 PMHe was a racist and espoused violence. The way that someone dies, or the fact that they died, doesn't change how they lived.
Why not speak out against him while he was alive? Man, I don't comment on all those crazy racist alt-right podcasters. I didn't realize anyone here listened to those nut cases. Literally nuts to me. Charlie Kirk, and Ben Shapiro, and Jordan Peterson, and Nick Fuentes, and Gavin McInnes. All those nut cases that prey on weak men, telling them that they can make them feel strong.
This isn't hyperbole. Anyone listening to those types of dudes is a broken man who needs help.
But why so much yappin upon their death?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 08:32:35 PMBut why so much yappin upon their death?
Is this a serious question?
The President of the United States has ordered flags to be flown at half-staff for a private citizen and is using it as a pre-text to take political retribution on his political "enemies" and carry out his anti-democratic agenda and you're wondering why people are "yappin"?
Quote from: forgetful on September 16, 2025, 08:22:00 PMEducate me.
I'd love to better understand, but have not found anything more than what the mom had said...that he had become "more political and had started to lean more to the left – becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented"
And that he had enough of Kirk's "hatred"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/charlie-kirk-suspect-texts-evidence
They now report the remarks on the bullets were just memes and gamer jokes as everyone had mentioned.
If there is more, please point me in that direction.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tyler-robinson-text-messages-roommate-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-rcna231732
The Charging Document is in this report which includes his confession to his room mate.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 08:32:35 PMBut why so much yappin upon their death?
This dude's death has been blamed on democrats and is being used to further the fascist takeover of our country by the current administration. They're using this death to further limit free speech (unconstitutional), and send the military into states (unconstitutional). So it is an existential threat.
All of that with overtones of whitewashing this dudes past behavior and trying to stand him up as a saint with a military funeral, and the white house hosting his show after his death. The white house has literally endorsed his show, his racism, his antisemitism, his misogyny, and his hate for the lgbtq community.
The current admin are using his death as a tool to further their political goals, and those goals are attacking the left in the country.
Normally you could talk about "hey this dude was racist and an overall shitbag so don't put him on a pedastal" and people would be like, "yeah you're right" and that's it. Instead it's led to a crackdown on the disenfranchised in this country just like all the other crap from this admin.
So it's got nothing to do with Charlie really. It's that crazies in power are using him as a tool to leverage their way to getting what they want. And how do you argue against that other than trying to get them to acknowledge reality? But they won't. They think he was a good dude. Because they're fucked in the head.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 16, 2025, 08:50:51 PMThis dude's death has been blamed on democrats and is being used to further the fascist takeover of our country by the current administration. They're using this death to further limit free speech (unconstitutional), and send the military into states (unconstitutional). So it is an existential threat.
All of that with overtones of whitewashing this dudes past behavior and trying to stand him up as a saint with a military funeral, and the white house hosting his show after his death. The white house has literally endorsed his show, his racism, his antisemitism, his misogyny, and his hate for the lgbtq community.
The current admin are using his death as a tool to further their political goals, and those goals are attacking the left in the country.
Normally you could talk about "hey this dude was racist and an overall shitbag so don't put him on a pedastal" and people would be like, "yeah you're right" and that's it. Instead it's led to a crackdown on the disenfranchised in this country just like all the other crap from this admin.
So it's got nothing to do with Charlie really. It's that crazies in power are using him as a tool to leverage their way to getting what they want. And how do you argue against that other than trying to get them to acknowledge reality? But they won't. They think he was a good dude. Because they're fucked in the head.
They're literally calling it their "Reichstag Fire"
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 16, 2025, 08:46:10 PMIs this a serious question?
The President of the United States has ordered flags to be flown at half-staff for a private citizen and is using it as a pre-text to take political retribution on his political "enemies" and carry out his anti-democratic agenda and you're wondering why people are "yappin"?
You started talking wild well before the flag stuff. Stop.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2025, 08:52:22 PMThey're literally calling it their "Reichstag Fire"
And in a positive way.
They are openly using the Nazi playbook, calling it the Nazi playbook, but all upset when they get called Nazis.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 16, 2025, 08:50:51 PMThis dude's death has been blamed on democrats and is being used to further the fascist takeover of our country by the current administration. They're using this death to further limit free speech (unconstitutional), and send the military into states (unconstitutional). So it is an existential threat.
All of that with overtones of whitewashing this dudes past behavior and trying to stand him up as a saint with a military funeral, and the white house hosting his show after his death. The white house has literally endorsed his show, his racism, his antisemitism, his misogyny, and his hate for the lgbtq community.
The current admin are using his death as a tool to further their political goals, and those goals are attacking the left in the country.
Normally you could talk about "hey this dude was racist and an overall shitbag so don't put him on a pedastal" and people would be like, "yeah you're right" and that's it. Instead it's led to a crackdown on the disenfranchised in this country just like all the other crap from this admin.
So it's got nothing to do with Charlie really. It's that crazies in power are using him as a tool to leverage their way to getting what they want. And how do you argue against that other than trying to get them to acknowledge reality? But they won't. They think he was a good dude. Because they're fucked in the head.
Put cancel culture, bigotry, hatred of the Constitution and fascism in a blender.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 03:22:37 PMThis sounds like politics. You should be banned again, unless certain people don't play by the rules. Your hate is evident. Jah bless.
By the way, speaking of being banned, aren't you the alpha who sent another Scooper a screenshot of your permaban and had him come here to complain about how unfair it is? Think of how good at pickleball you'd be if you just accepted the permaban you claimed to have against you and spent your Scoop time on the manliest of all sports.
It will be interesting to hear the evidence in a court of law. When looking at those text messages, I was surprised the Dodds messaging style has made it to the youths.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 16, 2025, 08:48:17 PMhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tyler-robinson-text-messages-roommate-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-rcna231732
The Charging Document is in this report which includes his confession to his room mate.
Thank you! I figured the full charging document was published somewhere, but couldn't find it.
It looks like, at least in terms of what was released so far, that the only evidence they have related to "far-left extremisms" is his mom saying that he had become "more political and started to lean more to the left - becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented?"
And the evidence released in the charging documents seem to contradict the published statements by the Governor and FBI that he was deeply indoctrinated with far-left ideologies.
Unless of course you find being pro gay and trans rights far left.
I also want to clarify. I point this out, because there was a deliberate narrative before any evidence was collected that this was the fault of left-wing politics, and anyone remotely on the left has been targeted since then. When some of the evidence trickled in, I brought up the fact that this looked like it stemmed more from the deep recesses of the internet from people that were not left or right, but warped from the dark-areas of the web. This seems to be the case. And it is appalling that people are taking this murder and shaping it as a weapon to go after their political opponents.
I find the weaponization of his death as disgraceful and insensitive as those celebrating a murder.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 16, 2025, 09:07:55 PMIt will be interesting to hear the evidence in a court of law. When looking at those text messages, I was surprised the Dodds messaging style has made it to the youths.
Even Steve Bannon was questioning the messages.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 16, 2025, 05:41:21 PMLots of you are crazy anti-Kirk... I mean, degrading the guy after he got shot and killed in public... why didn't you say much when he was alive? Seems bizarre. To celebrate and/or disregard a life so much.. but not much of a whimper prior to his death.
Don't understand. Nonetheless, probably will never understand many of you with such hate in their hearts. God Bless.
I was pretty open about my hatred of Charlie Kirk when he was alive.
Im shocked at how shocked you are that a majority of the world doesn't feel sad that a man full of hate found a hole in his neck.
Quote from: forgetful on September 16, 2025, 09:29:33 PMThank you! I figured the full charging document was published somewhere, but couldn't find it.
It looks like, at least in terms of what was released so far, that the only evidence they have related to "far-left extremisms" is his mom saying that he had become "more political and started to lean more to the left - becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented?"
And the evidence released in the charging documents seem to contradict the published statements by the Governor and FBI that he was deeply indoctrinated with far-left ideologies.
Unless of course you find being pro gay and trans rights far left.
I also want to clarify. I point this out, because there was a deliberate narrative before any evidence was collected that this was the fault of left-wing politics, and anyone remotely on the left has been targeted since then. When some of the evidence trickled in, I brought up the fact that this looked like it stemmed more from the deep recesses of the internet from people that were not left or right, but warped from the dark-areas of the web. This seems to be the case. And it is appalling that people are taking this murder and shaping it as a weapon to go after their political opponents.
I find the weaponization of his death as disgraceful and insensitive as those celebrating a murder.
I am sure that the suspect who was in love with a transgendered person was the motivating factor in killing Charlie Kirk. Leaving the politics aside this is a very disturbed individual who could not contol his rage and should be held accountable for his actions. It was personal for him.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 05:03:22 AMI am sure that the suspect who was in love with a transgendered person was the motivating factor in killing Charlie Kirk. Leaving the politics aside this is a very disturbed individual who could not contol his rage and should be held accountable for his actions. It was personal for him.
You're sure about a lot of stuff that isn't true
Quote from: wadesworld on September 16, 2025, 09:06:32 PMBy the way, speaking of being banned, aren't you the alpha who sent another Scooper a screenshot of your permaban and had him come here to complain about how unfair it is? Think of how good at pickleball you'd be if you just accepted the permaban you claimed to have against you and spent your Scoop time on the manliest of all sports.
No, but sadly I'm injured and unable to play. It's a... sore subject.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 17, 2025, 01:56:32 AM.
Im shocked at how shocked you are that a majority of the world doesn't feel sad that a man full of hate found a hole in his neck.
I wouldn't expect others to feel any way about it - that's personal. But I wouldn't expect others hope they would celebrate his death loudly. It's sick.
Wasn't Charlie Kirk a champion of free speech?
https://bsky.app/profile/esqueer.net/post/3lyyqtzb7ns2m
Bow down to your state
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2025, 06:08:21 AMYou're sure about a lot of stuff that isn't true
According to the charging document Tyler Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler Robinson's beliefs and perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. We know that much is true. We know Charlie's beliefs regarding the LGBTQ community and we know Tyler's hatred toward Charlie so how could it not be a contributing factor knowing Tyler's love for his transgender room mate.
I am sure Tyler's motive will come out at trial if there is one.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 07:28:06 AMAccording to the charging document Tyler Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler Robinson's beliefs and perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. We know that much is true. We know Charlie's beliefs regarding the LGBTQ community and we know Tyler's hatred toward Charlie so how could it not be a contributing factor knowing Tyler's love for his transgender room mate.
I am sure Tyler's motive will come out at trial if there is one.
Given how poorly Casino Kash and Ding-A-Ling Dan have run the investigation, defense lawyers ought to have an easy time avoiding trial
Candace says the texts/digital conversations are fake.
I don't know if they're fake.
But they're awfully strangely worded and structured for a super online young guy
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 05:03:22 AMI am sure that the suspect who was in love with a transgendered person was the motivating factor in killing Charlie Kirk. Leaving the politics aside this is a very disturbed individual who could not contol his rage and should be held accountable for his actions. It was personal for him.
I am sure that you are not too bright.
Quote from: Jockey on September 17, 2025, 09:06:21 AMI am sure that you are not too bright.
I guess you did not read the charging document.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 07:28:06 AMAccording to the charging document Tyler Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler Robinson's beliefs and perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. We know that much is true. We know Charlie's beliefs regarding the LGBTQ community and we know Tyler's hatred toward Charlie so how could it not be a contributing factor knowing Tyler's love for his transgender room mate.
I am sure Tyler's motive will come out at trial if there is one.
Based on the charging document you are correct. I highlighted the above though for a particular reason. There is significant room for debate on whether anti- or pro- LGBTQ+ is a political ideology.
Given that there are LGBTQ+ supporters of Trump and the MAGA movement (admittedly not a lot), being pro- or anti LGBTQ+ does not align one with a specific political party.
But the problem we have, and what exhausts me right now, is that with all the problems in the world, there is so much effort to divide people based on demographics. Pushing the idea that some humans, based on who they were born as, are not worthy of the same rights, privileges, compassion and love. And that so many people are perfectly ok with this intentional division and hate, because they perceive the identity that they belong to as winning. In that world, we all lose.
Quote from: forgetful on September 17, 2025, 09:32:03 AMBased on the charging document you are correct. I highlighted the above though for a particular reason. There is significant room for debate on whether anti- or pro- LGBTQ+ is a political ideology.
Given that there are LGBTQ+ supporters of Trump and the MAGA movement (admittedly not a lot), being pro- or anti LGBTQ+ does not align one with a specific political party.
But the problem we have, and what exhausts me right now, is that with all the problems in the world, there is so much effort to divide people based on demographics. Pushing the idea that some humans, based on who they were born as, are not worthy of the same rights, privileges, compassion and love. And that so many people are perfectly ok with this intentional division and hate, because they perceive the identity that they belong to as winning. In that world, we all lose.
You can convince people to be ok with less and lower quality of life if those that are different them that are the "enemy" are treated even worse.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 02:50:30 PMSo you link a NY-post article, whose only source is an anonymous "leak," where no evidence is provided, including comments that the roommate was not trans, and they weren't "partners." Other articles say neighbors say they had never seen anything to indicate that the roommate was trans, or that they were a couple.
Seems like an extremely reckless and un-sourced article that puts peoples lives at risk.
Still reckless?... or simply reality MM didn't want to report on?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 17, 2025, 09:43:18 AMYou can convince people to be ok with less and lower quality of life if those that are different them that are the "enemy" are treated even worse.
THIS!
People are more than happy with higher grocery prices, increased unemployment and stagnating wages if it means arresting and deporting foreign and foreign-looking people, even if they are legal citizens.
This is what some people want, including a few posters above
https://bsky.app/profile/esqueer.net/post/3lyzt2eal7c2m
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 09:15:53 AMI guess you did not read the charging document.
You are foolish enough to believe anything a right winger says. You have given up any pretense of using the brain that God gave you. Baaaa!
Quote from: forgetful on September 17, 2025, 09:32:03 AMBased on the charging document you are correct. I highlighted the above though for a particular reason. There is significant room for debate on whether anti- or pro- LGBTQ+ is a political ideology.
Given that there are LGBTQ+ supporters of Trump and the MAGA movement (admittedly not a lot), being pro- or anti LGBTQ+ does not align one with a specific political party.
But the problem we have, and what exhausts me right now, is that with all the problems in the world, there is so much effort to divide people based on demographics. Pushing the idea that some humans, based on who they were born as, are not worthy of the same rights, privileges, compassion and love. And that so many people are perfectly ok with this intentional division and hate, because they perceive the identity that they belong to as winning. In that world, we all lose.
He hated Charlie for his views regarding the LGBTQ community which I suspect he took personally because of his love for his trans partner. I am not sure how you take LGBTQ rights out of politics.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 10:18:58 AMHe hated Charlie for his views regarding the LGBTQ community which I suspect he took personally because of his love for his trans partner. I am not sure how you take LGBTQ rights out of politics.
Pretty simple. They get the same rights as any other human being and aren't ostracized by Christofascits
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2025, 10:23:21 AMPretty simple. They get the same rights as any other human being and aren't ostracized by Christofascits
...and that is a political statement.
A quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here. That is disappointing to see
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 10:56:32 AM...and that is a political statement.
It absolutely is not.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 10:18:58 AMI am not sure how you take LGBTQ rights out of politics.
Higher vs lower taxes is a political issue.
Free trade vs tariffs is a political issue.
Intervention in foreign affairs is a political issue.
Educational and military spending are political issues.
Immigration policy is a political issue.
A person being able to live their life in the law-abiding way of their choice, love who they choose to love and still receive the same basic civil rights as everyone else, shouldn't be dependent on which political party holds the current majority.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 10:56:32 AM...and that is a political statement.
That they have the same rights as other human beings and aren't ostracized by christofascists?
I suppose that's political if you're a christofascist
Quote from: Pakuni on September 17, 2025, 10:57:58 AMHigher vs lower taxes is a political issue.
Free trade vs tariffs is a political issue.
Intervention in foreign affairs is a political issue.
Educational and military spending are political issues.
Immigration policy is a political issue.
Whether a person should be able to live their life in the law-abiding way of their choice, love who they chose to love and receive the same basic civil rights as everyone else shouldn't be dependent on which political party holds the current majority.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 17, 2025, 10:57:40 AMA quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here. That is disappointing to see
lol
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 17, 2025, 10:57:40 AMA quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here. That is disappointing to see
I will say that I have seen a number of videos that have played out like you have said.
However, then you have this. The tweet includes a video.
https://x.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1701335984309223455?s=20
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 17, 2025, 10:57:40 AMA quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here. That is disappointing to see
Some of Charlie's most loving statements:
"If I see a black pilot, I'm going to think, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"
"We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately."
"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more."
"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different."
"Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America."
"Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."
"(Gay couples) are not happy just having marriage. Instead, they now want to corrupt your children."
Quote from: Pakuni on September 17, 2025, 10:57:58 AMHigher vs lower taxes is a political issue.
Free trade vs tariffs is a political issue.
Intervention in foreign affairs is a political issue.
Educational and military spending are political issues.
Immigration policy is a political issue.
A person being able to live their life in the law-abiding way of their choice, love who they choose to love and still receive the same basic civil rights as everyone else, shouldn't be dependent on which political party holds the current majority.
If this were all the case, then there would be no such thing as 'trans rights'. It would just be 'same rights as everyone else'.
I think something like 'right to use opposite sex bathrooms in public' isn't a basic civil right, but one that is complained about . I believe reasonable, compassionate people can differ as to their opinion on such topics.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Chaz_Bono_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/500px-Chaz_Bono_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg)
That's Chaz Bono. And in states with bathroom laws, he MUST share the ladies room with the little girls that those laws are claiming to protect.
Quote from: MU82 on September 17, 2025, 11:38:59 AM(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Chaz_Bono_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg/500px-Chaz_Bono_by_Gage_Skidmore.jpg)
That's Chaz Bono. And in states with bathroom laws, he MUST share the ladies room with the little girls that those laws are claiming to protect.
Better than having to be a child in a bathroom with a Catholic priest
Quote from: forgetful on September 17, 2025, 09:32:03 AMBased on the charging document you are correct. I highlighted the above though for a particular reason. There is significant room for debate on whether anti- or pro- LGBTQ+ is a political ideology.
Given that there are LGBTQ+ supporters of Trump and the MAGA movement (admittedly not a lot), being pro- or anti LGBTQ+ does not align one with a specific political party.
But the problem we have, and what exhausts me right now, is that with all the problems in the world, there is so much effort to divide people based on demographics. Pushing the idea that some humans, based on who they were born as, are not worthy of the same rights, privileges, compassion and love. And that so many people are perfectly ok with this intentional division and hate, because they perceive the identity that they belong to as winning. In that world, we all lose.
Easier for those on the top to use wedge issues to divide those below.
Class consciousness is a threat to them.
Tribalism and fear of the other are much better.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 17, 2025, 11:29:18 AMIf this were all the case, then there would be no such thing as 'trans rights'. It would just be 'same rights as everyone else'.
I would suggest that "trans rights" = "trans people should have the same rights as everyone else."
And the trans community and its supporters would not frame the bathroom issue as you have, and that goes to the crux of the debate.
This is Army veteran Rudy Akbarian. Born female. Should he be using the women's restroom?
(https://yt3.googleusercontent.com/ytc/AIdro_nX4fbbKEIkH5ElhNkOcgMjxbU7iJcrJyBnTbInM8Kzj0I=s900-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj)
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 17, 2025, 11:29:18 AMIf this were all the case, then there would be no such thing as 'trans rights'. It would just be 'same rights as everyone else'.
You're correct. We need to just have "same rights as everyone else".
Unfortunately, there are people and groups in the country who don't want the "same rights as everyone else."
It's happened repeatedly in our past - women, blacks, gays - and it's happening now.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 17, 2025, 09:49:18 AMStill reckless?... or simply reality MM didn't want to report on?
Yes.
The information was released without full context and sources during a time period of heated tension where cooler heads and detailed information was necessary instead of pushing information out incompletely and quickly. It put people at risk of reprisal attacks.
I'm sorry that you don't see the inherent risks of putting out incomplete information in situations like that.
Nm
Quote from: Pakuni on September 17, 2025, 11:44:48 AMI would suggest that "trans rights" = "trans people should have the same rights as everyone else."
And the trans community and its supporters would not frame the bathroom issue as you have, and that goes to the crux of the debate.
This is Army veteran Rudy Akbarian. Born female. Should he be using the women's restroom?
(https://yt3.googleusercontent.com/ytc/AIdro_nX4fbbKEIkH5ElhNkOcgMjxbU7iJcrJyBnTbInM8Kzj0I=s900-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj)
In some states, if law enforcement officers follow the rules, he would be arrested for using the men's room.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 17, 2025, 12:06:17 PMNm
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/w6Ow10J0atMAAAAC/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi.gif)
We should all be sitting down when we piss anyway so we can check scoop
Only fitting place to read Scoop.
The hatemongers are setting their sights on Pope Leo now. How dare he echo the gospels and speak out against greed?
Just the next page in the playbook.
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2025, 02:17:07 PMThe hatemongers are setting their sights on Pope Leo now. How dare he echo the gospels and speak out against greed?
Just the next page in the playbook.
https://bsky.app/profile/nytpitchbot.bsky.social/post/3lyymgbykhs2y
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 17, 2025, 10:57:40 AMA quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here. That is disappointing to see
Dude, you aren't seriously this dumb are you? He was not the dove that you or the media are trying to make him out to be.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-joe-biden-should-be-put-prison-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against
If you'd like a bunch more examples of the type of rhetoric he's spewed, I'll oblige. Though I doubt you have the appetite for such easily searchable content.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 17, 2025, 11:07:24 AMI will say that I have seen a number of videos that have played out like you have said.
However, then you have this. The tweet includes a video.
https://x.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1701335984309223455?s=20
It's fine, like many boomers they're just learning about Charlie Kirk this week. They're also just regurgitating the lies they've been told by their favorite media source.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 07:28:06 AMAccording to the charging document Tyler Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler Robinson's beliefs and perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. We know that much is true. We know Charlie's beliefs regarding the LGBTQ community and we know Tyler's hatred toward Charlie so how could it not be a contributing factor knowing Tyler's love for his transgender room mate.
I am sure Tyler's motive will come out at trial if there is one.
It's amazing how much you 'know'. lol
Quote from: The Sultan on September 17, 2025, 10:57:48 AMIt absolutely is not.
Should some citizens' votes only count for 3/5s value of mine? That's politics
Let us assume for the moment that everything muwarrior69 said is true. Hate was met by hate.
I again condemn all political violence.
I again say that if the accused is found guilty in a court of law, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
I again say that Charlie Kirk is not a martyr for anything I believe in.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 17, 2025, 01:09:15 PMOnly fitting place to read Scoop.
I also read it when I have recess from my malpractice proceedings against my dentist
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 17, 2025, 02:42:25 PMDude, you aren't seriously this dumb are you? He was not the dove that you or the media are trying to make him out to be.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-joe-biden-should-be-put-prison-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against
If you'd like a bunch more examples of the type of rhetoric he's spewed, I'll oblige. Though I doubt you have the appetite for such easily searchable content.
A more plausible explanation is that everything intolerant and bigoted listed he agrees with but since people will call you a dickhead for thinking that way about others, it's easier to avoid self reflection and pretend the rhetoric is something it wasn't (peaceful and intellectual)
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2025, 02:58:43 PMLet us assume for the moment that everything muwarrior69 said is true. Hate was met by hate.
I again condemn all political violence.
I again say that if the accused is found guilty in a court of law, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
I again say that Charlie Kirk is not a martyr for anything I believe in.
The murderer should be punished fully. If that means he receives the death penalty in Utah, that is the punishment justice has determined. Won't shed a single tear for him.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 17, 2025, 03:01:43 PMI also read it when I have recess from my malpractice proceedings against my dentist
Funny, I always thought you were a dental hygienist.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 17, 2025, 02:42:25 PMDude, you aren't seriously this dumb are you? He was not the dove that you or the media are trying to make him out to be.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-joe-biden-should-be-put-prison-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against
If you'd like a bunch more examples of the type of rhetoric he's spewed, I'll oblige. Though I doubt you have the appetite for such easily searchable content.
And man, they'd have celebrated that death!
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 17, 2025, 03:22:36 PMFunny, I always thought you were a dental hygienist.
I have a short haircut, not possible
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 17, 2025, 02:42:25 PMDude, you aren't seriously this dumb are you? He was not the dove that you or the media are trying to make him out to be.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-joe-biden-should-be-put-prison-andor-given-death-penalty-crimes-against
If you'd like a bunch more examples of the type of rhetoric he's spewed, I'll oblige. Though I doubt you have the appetite for such easily searchable content.
don't forget about this one. Just as Jesus would have preached, I'm sure. Or is this out of context?
https://x.com/mtracey/status/1968336951821615251
MAGA world: It's disgusting to joke about or celebrate anyone's death.
Also MAGA world:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1968378660496564407
but the problem is which bathrooms people are using smh
Quote from: Pakuni on September 17, 2025, 04:54:46 PMMAGA world: It's disgusting to joke about or celebrate anyone's death.
Also MAGA world:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1968378660496564407
They aren't white it's fine
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 17, 2025, 03:56:36 PMI have a short haircut, not possible
Times have changed. Haircuts of all lengths are acceptable.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 17, 2025, 05:34:16 PMTimes have changed. Haircuts of all lengths are acceptable.
One of my friends has cancer too. I got a mortgage to pay, my hygienist career was doomed from the get go.
I don't make the rules
Sorry to hear. Hope your health has improved.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 17, 2025, 05:52:34 PMSorry to hear. Hope your health has improved.
I got COVID from Jay Bee's prayers 😡
Kimmel indefinitely suspended after the FCC chair threatened him and ABC today.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2025, 06:26:08 PMKimmel indefinitely suspended after the FCC chair threatened him and ABC today.
That's more of the free speech Chuck Kirk was famous for
https://x.com/brendancarrfcc/status/1968449919221416427?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2025, 06:28:17 PMhttps://x.com/brendancarrfcc/status/1968449919221416427?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
I'm sure Muggsy will be outraged over this overreach.
Guess cancel culture is real, eh?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2025, 06:26:08 PMKimmel indefinitely suspended after the FCC chair threatened him and ABC today.
History is going to see this era as the next Gilded Age and judge the powerful with contempt.
What's really messed up is he didn't even say anything negative about St. Charlie, he made fun of MAGA.
Want to stop being called "fascists" MAGA? Stop acting like fascists.
https://x.com/TheFIREorg/status/1968450270683070607
https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1968392506711613526
Party of small government
Also....
What those who run the likes of ABC is that their cowardice will eventually catch up to them and be their undoing. You've shown yourself to be weak. You've shown you can be bullied. They need to ask themselves, do bullies ever stop? Because even I know it only stops when people show courage and stand up to them.
But I get it. You need your affiliates merger to be approved. And if you don't, you won't be as wealthy as you are now.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 17, 2025, 06:49:40 PMAlso....
What those who run the likes of ABC is that their cowardice will eventually catch up to them and be their undoing. You've shown yourself to be weak. You've shown you can be bullied. They need to ask themselves, do bullies ever stop? Because even I know it only stops when people show courage and stand up to them.
But I get it. You need your affiliates merger to be approved. And if you don't, you won't be as wealthy as you are now.
I want to imagine a world where Barack Obama used the weight of the government against Rush Limbaugh and what the reaction would be from these Nazi's
Depends on who writes the history.
Stan Oklobdzija
@stano.bsky.social
Far more dangerous than Trump, I think, is how quickly the last eight months have pulled back the curtain on America's elites and shown everyone how venal, how cowardly and how utterly mediocre the foundation of our society has been.
Quote from: NCMUFan on September 17, 2025, 03:22:36 PMFunny, I always thought you were a dental hygienist.
Wait was this a Nancy Reagan reference
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2025, 07:00:15 PMI want to imagine a world where Barack Obama used the weight of the government against Rush Limbaugh and what the reaction would be from these Nazi's
Totally this.
Power-mad, cowardlly snowflakes now in charge everywhere.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 05:03:22 AMI am sure that the suspect who was in love with a transgendered person was the motivating factor in killing Charlie Kirk. Leaving the politics aside this is a very disturbed individual who could not contol his rage and should be held accountable for his actions. It was personal for him.
Id assume anytime someone aims a high powered rifle at someone's neck, that its probably personal.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 17, 2025, 07:24:21 PMId assume anytime someone aims a high powered rifle at someone's neck, that its probably personal.
Depends if it's a cop or not
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 17, 2025, 07:24:21 PMId assume anytime someone aims a high powered rifle at someone's neck, that its probably personal.
Simple, yet accuate.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 17, 2025, 06:23:16 AMI wouldn't expect others to feel any way about it - that's personal. But I wouldn't expect others hope they would celebrate his death loudly. It's sick.
Jay Bee (Actually everyone)
Lets do a bit of a thought exercise. Who's death am I allowed to celebrate loudly?
Kim jung il? Jinping? Gaddafi? One of the countless school shooters? Stalin? Mussolini? Hitler? Trump? Kirk?
Wheres the line Jay Bee? Im very interested to know yours.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2025, 07:17:27 AMWasn't Charlie Kirk a champion of free speech?
https://bsky.app/profile/esqueer.net/post/3lyyqtzb7ns2m
Bow down to your state
Bet Jay Bee agrees with it.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 17, 2025, 04:54:46 PMMAGA world: It's disgusting to joke about or celebrate anyone's death.
Also MAGA world:
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1968378660496564407
So whether it is Vance calling for cold blooded murder or a host on Fox advocating the cold blooded murder of 750,000 people, these sick Rs see no problem.
Make any comment that isn't a flattering lie about POS Charlie, though, and these creeps will rip your face off.
The worst part? This is mild compared to what these people will do over the next 3+ years.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 17, 2025, 05:03:22 AMI am sure that the suspect who was in love with a transgendered person was the motivating factor in killing Charlie Kirk. Leaving the politics aside this is a very disturbed individual who could not contol his rage and should be held accountable for his actions. It was personal for him.
If only there were means to keep weapons out of the hands of very disturbed individuals who can't control their rage
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 17, 2025, 07:29:35 PMJay Bee (Actually everyone)
Lets do a bit of a thought exercise. Who's death am I allowed to celebrate loudly?
Kim jung il? Jinping? Gaddafi? One of the countless school shooters? Stalin? Mussolini? Hitler? Trump? Kirk?
Wheres the line Jay Bee? Im very interested to know yours.
You forgot RGB. She wasn't murdered, but the right treated her death due to cancer like a combo of Xmas + Mardi Gras + an enthusiastic white nationalist rally.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 17, 2025, 07:00:15 PMI want to imagine a world where Barack Obama used the weight of the government against Rush Limbaugh and what the reaction would be from these Nazi's
Couldn't be worse than wearing a tan suit. >:( >:(
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2025, 06:28:17 PMhttps://x.com/brendancarrfcc/status/1968449919221416427?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
https://x.com/tm3716/status/1968494071770394794?t=iE4qDA5lLuLJwlw7Emnegg&s=19
Silence from the pickle man??
Wonder what changed?
https://x.com/brendancarrfcc/status/1096062915201953795?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
Trump is now calling for NBC to cancel Fallon and Meyers.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 17, 2025, 07:29:35 PMJay Bee (Actually everyone)
Lets do a bit of a thought exercise. Who's death am I allowed to celebrate loudly?
Kim jung il? Jinping? Gaddafi? One of the countless school shooters? Stalin? Mussolini? Hitler? Trump? Kirk?
Wheres the line Jay Bee? Im very interested to know yours.
Allowed? Anyone's.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 17, 2025, 11:26:21 PMAllowed? Anyone's.
An Obama level question dodge. Nice.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2025, 10:20:01 PMWonder what changed?
https://x.com/brendancarrfcc/status/1096062915201953795?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw
"I'm breathing... are you breathing too? It's nice, isn't it? It isn't difficult to keep alive, friends. Just don't make trouble, or if you must make trouble, make the sort of trouble that's expected."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2025, 10:26:13 PMTrump is now calling for NBC to cancel Fallon and Meyers.
[/quoteItQuote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2025, 10:26:13 PMTrump is now calling for NBC to cancel Fallon and Meyers.
it's nice to see them finally extending an olive branch.
Muggsy is awfully quiet about all this fascism being perpetrated by his government.
Bunch of old dudes with lead poisoning controlling the country, supported by of course.... Other old people with lead poisoning. Cough cough Jay.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 06:02:44 AMMuggsy is awfully quiet about all this fascism being perpetrated by his government.
Or maybe he realizes it's pointless to engage with hateful, Godless people like you.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 18, 2025, 07:36:10 AMOr maybe he realizes it's pointless to engage with hateful, Godless people like you.
No, he's fine with fascism overtaking the country. A lot of people are. A lot of people who are the hateful. The racists, homophobes, misogynists, transphobes. The ones that invoke god but turn a blind eye to injustice, inhumanity and poverty.
But the rich are getting richer and that's what Jesus would want.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 18, 2025, 07:36:10 AMOr maybe he realizes it's pointless to engage with hateful, Godless people like you.
Huh.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 18, 2025, 07:36:10 AMOr maybe he realizes it's pointless to engage with hateful, Godless people like you.
Thanks for your bravery
Quote from: The Sultan on September 18, 2025, 07:55:44 AMHuh.
Chuck Kirk didn't have a problem debating hateful, godless people. He's being celebrated for it and costing people their jobs
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 18, 2025, 07:36:10 AMOr maybe he realizes it's pointless to engage with hateful, Godless people like you.
Just as Jesus would have said.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 18, 2025, 07:36:10 AMOr maybe he realizes it's pointless to engage with hateful, Godless people like you.
Charlie Kirk, the inverse Colton Burpo?
I've sat back and watched the discussion on Charlie Kirk through the last week in this thread very quietly. I think there's on simple conclusion we all must accept:
No matter how reprehensible the speech, nobody deserves what happened to Charlie Kirk. Hard stop.
Our family was touched with political violence a number of years ago. For those of you who remember the judge murder in Lafayette County, WI, the victim was my wife's first cousin. The victim's family suffered unmeasurable pain and the murder left a young wife and two small children without a husband and father. It was awful and still is.
Ditto for the legislator and her husband killed in Minnesota. Or for anyone else who suffers through this.
I get many people in this room didn't care much for what Charlie Kirk said. Frankly, I disagreed with much of what he espoused as well. I barely knew who he was until he was murdered. But whatever I think doesn't give me the right to silence someone I don't agree with. The only way we silence them is at the ballot box and in trying to convince others of our position.
As a final thought, some of you may remember Larry Flynt. His publications were disgusting and he was shot and wounded for his view of what should be in the public domain. As much as I disliked Flynt, shooting him was horrible. It reduced the shooter to Flynt's level.
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 18, 2025, 11:43:08 AMI've sat back and watched the discussion on Charlie Kirk through the last week in this thread very quietly. I think there's on simple conclusion we all must accept:
No matter how reprehensible the speech, nobody deserves what happened to Charlie Kirk. Hard stop.
So you sat back and read through this thread "very quietly," and came up with the most generic and obvious conclusion???
Wow. Thanks for the insight. Really got us all thinking there.
Yeah, I'm not sure where all this "celebrating" his death is happening. I've seen people that aren't a fan of what he believes, but no one celebrating.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 18, 2025, 11:58:31 AMYeah, I'm not sure where all this "celebrating" his death is happening. I've seen people that aren't a fan of what he believes, but no one celebrating.
Of course. But some need to use a term like "celebrating" to justify their desire to silence all dissent ... except for the dissent they agree with, of course.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 18, 2025, 11:58:31 AMYeah, I'm not sure where all this "celebrating" his death is happening. I've seen people that aren't a fan of what he believes, but no one celebrating.
Wrong. When you point out what someone has said or done, that's celebrating their death.
We have established an appropriate grief meter in this country now. You will grieve at the appropriate level or you will lose your job. Moving forward, all people that pass away must be grieved the same. No exceptions. If you see any exceptions, please report that person to the company they work for.
For example, if Ilhan Omar dies and anyone celebrates it or points out why they disagree, that person needs to lose their job and be ostracized. Those are the rules of society now.
It's been a week now - can we stop praying for Charlie?
I don't think the prayers ever lasted this long for any of the murdered school children.
I'll save my prayers for the kids who die from not getting vaccinated - not some racist homophobe.
Quote from: Jockey on September 18, 2025, 12:59:05 PMIt's been a week now - can we stop praying for Charlie?
I don't think the prayers ever lasted this long for any of the murdered school children.
I'll save my prayers for the kids who die from not getting vaccinated - not some racist homophobe.
Now that he's been canonized by our Dear Leader we must pray to and for St. Charlie every day.
https://bsky.app/profile/peark.es/post/3lz4wdtemyc2f
Care to comment, Muggsy?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 18, 2025, 07:36:10 AMOr maybe he realizes it's pointless to engage with hateful, Godless people like you.
Why does being godless matter? Please elaborate.
Is it just your god, and everyone else is godless?
Quote from: dgies9156 on September 18, 2025, 11:43:08 AMI've sat back and watched the discussion on Charlie Kirk through the last week in this thread very quietly. I think there's on simple conclusion we all must accept:
No matter how reprehensible the speech, nobody deserves what happened to Charlie Kirk. Hard stop.
Our family was touched with political violence a number of years ago. For those of you who remember the judge murder in Lafayette County, WI, the victim was my wife's first cousin. The victim's family suffered unmeasurable pain and the murder left a young wife and two small children without a husband and father. It was awful and still is.
Ditto for the legislator and her husband killed in Minnesota. Or for anyone else who suffers through this.
I get many people in this room didn't care much for what Charlie Kirk said. Frankly, I disagreed with much of what he espoused as well. I barely knew who he was until he was murdered. But whatever I think doesn't give me the right to silence someone I don't agree with. The only way we silence them is at the ballot box and in trying to convince others of our position.
As a final thought, some of you may remember Larry Flynt. His publications were disgusting and he was shot and wounded for his view of what should be in the public domain. As much as I disliked Flynt, shooting him was horrible. It reduced the shooter to Flynt's level.
No one deserves what happened to Charlie Kirk? No one? So we should abolish the death penalty eh?
Then let's go a but further, did all those who were executed after the 2nd world war. Did all of them also not deserve what happened to them?
Where is the line? Lets not make hyperbolic statements.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 12:24:20 PMWrong. When you point out what someone has said or done, that's celebrating their death.
We have established an appropriate grief meter in this country now. You will grieve at the appropriate level or you will lose your job. Moving forward, all people that pass away must be grieved the same. No exceptions. If you see any exceptions, please report that person to the company they work for.
For example, if Ilhan Omar dies and anyone celebrates it or points out why they disagree, that person needs to lose their job and be ostracized. Those are the rules of society now.
its a tough job but Keefe's up to the task.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 02:53:32 PMWhy does being godless matter? Please elaborate.
Is it just your god, and everyone else is godless?
Yeah, Allah doesn't count. This is America, dammit! You'll worship the god we tell you to worship.
https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lz57eariyv2q
Wheeeeeee
Quote from: MU82 on September 18, 2025, 03:43:37 PMYeah, Allah doesn't count. This is America, dammit! You'll worship the god we tell you to worship.
Firearms.
https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lz5brrhrh72c
Lolololol
I'm old enough to remember when cancel culture was bemoaned by conservatives because it was canceling rich white guys who were accused of sexual assault and harassment. Now cancel culture is people not properly morning a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot.
Imagine what this administration would do to someone who said some patriot should go bail out Tyler Robinson. You know, like Charlie Kirk did about Paul Pelosi's attempted murderer.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 02:53:32 PMWhy does being godless matter? Please elaborate.
Is it just your god, and everyone else is godless?
Gott Mit Uns
They are not even pretending otherwise anymore.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 04:28:48 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lz5brrhrh72c
Lolololol
I mean if we come out of this with the view and jimmy Fallon gone isn't it a net positive?
Quote from: wadesworld on September 18, 2025, 04:53:25 PMI'm old enough to remember when cancel culture was bemoaned by conservatives because it was canceling rich white guys who were accused of sexual assault and harassment. Now cancel culture is people not properly morning a racist, sexist, homophobic bigot.
Except it isn't really cancel culture anymore. This is straight up fascism.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 03:52:47 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lz57eariyv2q
Wheeeeeee
Report him to be fired for being insensitive to Charlie and his family.
Quote from: forgetful on September 18, 2025, 05:03:22 PMReport him to be fired for being insensitive to Charlie and his family.
Would help save the economy if he was fired.
"Free speech is the counterweight - it is the check on government control. That is why censorship is the authoritarian's dream."
- Brendan Carr, December 2023
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 12:24:20 PMWrong. When you point out what someone has said or done, that's celebrating their death.
We have established an appropriate grief meter in this country now. You will grieve at the appropriate level or you will lose your job. Moving forward, all people that pass away must be grieved the same. No exceptions. If you see any exceptions, please report that person to the company they work for.
For example, if Ilhan Omar dies and anyone celebrates it or points out why they disagree, that person needs to lose their job and be ostracized. Those are the rules of society now.
It was actually me who emailed Wade's HR because he did not properly mourn Joe Lieberman.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:42:44 AMNo, he's fine with fascism overtaking the country. A lot of people are. A lot of people who are the hateful. The racists, homophobes, misogynists, transphobes. The ones that invoke god but turn a blind eye to injustice, inhumanity and poverty.
But the rich are getting richer and that's what Jesus would want.
Just so I have an idea Uncle R: Of the 77 million people that voted for Trump, what percentage of them are Nazis, Fascists, Racists, Misogynists, Homophobes, Transphobes, and Threats to Democracy?
I assume you are referring to Kimmel being suspended? Personally, I don't think the government should be involved with this decision at all. If it was because Trump pressured the bigwigs I think it's a terrible precedent. But Kimmel also didn't have good ratings as far as I know, so the bosses could have used his idiotic and bold faced lie as the last straw. I have no idea but the guy will wind up going digital and gaining more followers like you. Beyond that I thought the comments of Pam Bondi about policing or "going after" hate speech was literally tbe dumbest thing I've ever heard from a cabinet member.
Lastly, as far as the Liberal "threat to democracy" narrative, if a President has no role in running our country would you characterize that as a threat to democracy? Oh...and when all sorts of conservatives have lost their jobs for speech, say Roseanne and Gina Carano, which Liberals were up in arms about it?
I 100% believe in free speech, and that includes hate speech. Companies can do whatever they want if they conclude an employee engages in it or if it's bad for business. If Kimmel or Colbert had good ratings this wouldn't have happened, regardless if Trump pressured the CEO's. If Trump forced this it's definitely wrong, so we agree on that point.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 06:46:10 PMJust so I have an idea Uncle R: Of the 77 million people that voted for Trump, what percentage of them are Nazis, Fascists, Racists, Misogynists, Homophobes, Transphobes, and Threats to Democracy?
I assume you are referring to Kimmel being suspended? Personally, I don't think the government should be involved with this decision at all. If it was because Trump pressured the bigwigs I think it's a terrible precedent. But Kimmel also didn't have good ratings as far as I know, so the bosses could have used his idiotic and bold faced lie as the last straw. I have no idea but the guy will wind up going digital and gaining more followers like you. Beyond that I thought the comments of Pam Bondi about policing or "going after" hate speech was literally tbe dumbest thing I've ever heard from a cabinet member.
Lastly, as far as the Liberal "threat to democracy" narrative, if a President has no role in running our country would you characterize that as a threat to democracy? Oh...and when all sorts of conservatives have lost their jobs for speech, say Roseanne and Gina Carano, what Liberals were up in arms about it?
I 100% believe in free speech, and that includes hate speech. Companies can do whatever they want if they conclude an employee engages in it or if it's bad for business. If Kimmel or Colbert had good ratings this wouldn't have happened, regardless if Trump pressured the CEO's. If Trump forced this it's definitely wrong, so we agree on that point.
Anyone who still supports this administration is by definition a fascist. Because the administration is fascist. It's inarguable. Fascists are by definition a threat to democracy, so same goes for that. I can't and won't speak to the others you listed because I have no idea.
It's also factual that Kimmel being removed came straight from Trump and the FCC director. They aren't hiding it. Hopefully this wakes you the unnatural carnal knowledge up from whatever world you're living in.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 06:46:10 PMJust so I have an idea Uncle R: Of the 77 million people that voted for Trump, what percentage of them are Nazis, Fascists, Racists, Misogynists, Homophobes, Transphobes, and Threats to Democracy?
I assume you are referring to Kimmel being suspended? Personally, I don't think the government should be involved with this decision at all. If it was because Trump pressured the bigwigs I think it's a terrible precedent. But Kimmel also didn't have good ratings as far as I know, so the bosses could have used his idiotic and bold faced lie as the last straw. I have no idea but the guy will wind up going digital and gaining more followers like you. Beyond that I thought the comments of Pam Bondi about policing or "going after" hate speech was literally tbe dumbest thing I've ever heard from a cabinet member.
Lastly, as far as the Liberal "threat to democracy" narrative, if a President has no role in running our country would you characterize that as a threat to democracy? Oh...and when all sorts of conservatives have lost their jobs for speech, say Roseanne and Gina Carano, which Liberals were up in arms about it?
I 100% believe in free speech, and that includes hate speech. Companies can do whatever they want if they conclude an employee engages in it or if it's bad for business. If Kimmel or Colbert had good ratings this wouldn't have happened, regardless if Trump pressured the CEO's. If Trump forced this it's definitely wrong, so we agree on that point.
Muggsy, what ISNT fascist about this administration?
Please look at what's actually happening, im not some die hard liberal. If you look at my post history I align about 75% of my views with the old non trump GOP.
I would laugh and antagonize mu82 for his "extremist" views on these threads.
Now im completely with him. This administration is the closest thing we've ever had to literal nazis. FFS, were arresting and holding people without trial based on their skin color.
unnatural carnal knowledge off with your attachment with the GOP. Its dead, been replaced by fascists.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 18, 2025, 06:48:11 PMAnyone who still supports this administration is by definition a fascist. Because the administration is fascist. It's inarguable. Fascists are by definition a threat to democracy, so same goes for that. I can't and won't speak to the others you listed because I have no idea.
It's also factual that Kimmel being removed came straight from Trump and the FCC director. They aren't hiding it. Hopefully this wakes you the unnatural carnal knowledge up from whatever world you're living in.
Okay. That's what I thought but will let Rico give me his percentage.
One more post before I get banned for politics (its insane im this active on politics)
I 100% believe in small government, and I 100% percent believe in free speech. The FCC threatening (via Trump administration) companies to deny their mergers unless they remove people speaking had of Kirk (Read between the lines, speaking bad of Trump administration) is not small government, and absolutely steps on the constitution with a muddy boot.
Something this fascist administration has done for the past 9 months.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 06:46:10 PMJust so I have an idea Uncle R: Of the 77 million people that voted for Trump, what percentage of them are Nazis, Fascists, Racists, Misogynists, Homophobes, Transphobes, and Threats to Democracy?
I assume you are referring to Kimmel being suspended? Personally, I don't think the government should be involved with this decision at all. If it was because Trump pressured the bigwigs I think it's a terrible precedent. But Kimmel also didn't have good ratings as far as I know, so the bosses could have used his idiotic and bold faced lie as the last straw. I have no idea but the guy will wind up going digital and gaining more followers like you. Beyond that I thought the comments of Pam Bondi about policing or "going after" hate speech was literally tbe dumbest thing I've ever heard from a cabinet member.
Lastly, as far as the Liberal "threat to democracy" narrative, if a President has no role in running our country would you characterize that as a threat to democracy? Oh...and when all sorts of conservatives have lost their jobs for speech, say Roseanne and Gina Carano, which Liberals were up in arms about it?
I 100% believe in free speech, and that includes hate speech. Companies can do whatever they want if they conclude an employee engages in it or if it's bad for business. If Kimmel or Colbert had good ratings this wouldn't have happened, regardless if Trump pressured the CEO's. If Trump forced this it's definitely wrong, so we agree on that point.
Roseanne and Gina Carano didn't lose their jobs because the FCC boss threatened to hold up a merger if they weren't fired. Your facsist government have now twice pressured networks to abandon late night TV hosts because they were mean to a facist so they'd get a merger done. That is government censorship.
Maybe come up with a five point plan to stop fascism in your own country. I'd be concerned now, because once they eliminate intellectuals, the media, the arts, non-whites, non-heterosexuals, they'll turn to the Jews, Catholics and others that aren't religiously correct.
And can you let me know when your fascist leaders are going to start "bringing the country together" and "tone down the rhetoric"? I'll hang up an listen
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 06:54:15 PMMuggsy, what ISNT fascist about this administration?
Please look at what's actually happening, im not some die hard liberal. If you look at my post history I align about 75% of my views with the old non trump GOP.
I would laugh and antagonize mu82 for his "extremist" views on these threads.
Now im completely with him. This administration is the closest thing we've ever had to literal nazis. FFS, were arresting and holding people without trial based on their skin color.
unnatural carnal knowledge off with your attachment with the GOP. Its dead, been replaced by fascists.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I assume all Republicans were Nazis and Fascists under W. as well? Or did this just happen with 75+ million Americans after 2016? Because I recall the Bush is a Nazi narrative during that administration. And I'm also curious, if we have 75 million plus racists, did this just happen after Trump was elected and therefore explains the 2008 and 2012 elections?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:03:03 PMRoseanne and Gina Carano didn't lose their jobs because the FCC boss threatened to hold up a merger if they weren't fired. Your facsist government have now twice pressured networks to abandon late night TV hosts because they were mean to a facist so they'd get a merger done. That is government censorship.
Maybe come up with a five point plan to stop fascism in your own country. I'd be concerned now, because once they eliminate intellectuals, the media, the arts, non-whites, non-heterosexuals, they'll turn to the Jews, Catholics and others that aren't religiously correct.
And can you let me know when your fascist leaders are going to start "bringing the country together" and "tone down the rhetoric"? I'll hang up an listen
I get the distinction your making and again, if pressure from the FCC is why this happened, I don't agree with it. However, Kimmel had poor ratings, and maybe this happened for a number of reasons.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:08:01 PMThank you for sharing your thoughts. I assume all Republicans were Nazis and Fascists under W. as well? Or did this just happen with 75+ million Americans after 2016? Because I recall the Bush is a Nazi narrative during that administration. And I'm also curious, if we have 75 million plus racists, did this just happen after Trump was elected and therefore explains the 2008 and 2012 elections?
The person elected in 2016 was a direct result of a black man being president. A direct result.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:10:41 PMI get the distinction your making and again, if pressure from the FCC is why this happened, I don't agree with it. However, Kimmel had poor ratings, and maybe this happened for a number of reasons.
The head of the FCC said this what they would do. He wrote it in Project 2025.
The President today called for Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers to lose their jobs.
But, yes, it's about ratings.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:11:14 PMThe person elected in 2016 was a direct result of a black man being president. A direct result.
And that black man making mean jokes about Trump
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:13:11 PMThe head of the FCC said this what they would do. He wrote it in Project 2025.
The President today called for Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers to lose their jobs.
But, yes, it's about ratings.
Legally I would imagine the FCC can do something about network television as opposed to the cable networks. And calling for Fallon or Myers to lose their jobs is definitely wrong. But truthfully? All of these people probably will do better on digital platforms.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:16:56 PMLegally I would imagine the FCC can do something about network television as opposed to the cable networks. And calling for Fallon or Myers to lose their jobs is definitely wrong. But truthfully? All of these people probably will do better on digital platforms.
Thanks for missing the point and allowing fascism to happen.
When they come for you, don't cry to scoop
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:16:56 PMLegally I would imagine the FCC can do something about network television as opposed to the cable networks. And calling for Fallon or Myers to lose their jobs is definitely wrong. But truthfully? All of these people probably will do better on digital platforms.
It's like you are intentionally missing/ignoring the point for some weird reason...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:11:14 PMThe person elected in 2016 was a direct result of a black man being president. A direct result.
If Condoleezza Rice ran or Michelle Obama are you saying they'd have no chance now?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 18, 2025, 07:18:14 PMIt's like you are intentionally missing/ignoring the point for some weird reason...
No, I'm not.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:08:01 PMThank you for sharing your thoughts. I assume all Republicans were Nazis and Fascists under W. as well? Or did this just happen with 75+ million Americans after 2016? Because I recall the Bush is a Nazi narrative during that administration. And I'm also curious, if we have 75 million plus racists, did this just happen after Trump was elected and therefore explains the 2008 and 2012 elections?
[/quoting soQuote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:08:01 PMThank you for sharing your thoughts. I assume all Republicans were Nazis and Fascists under W. as well? Or did this just happen with 75+ million Americans after 2016? Because I recall the Bush is a Nazi narrative during that administration. And I'm also curious, if we have 75 million plus racists, did this just happen after Trump was elected and therefore explains the 2008 and 2012 elections?
Yes trump absolutely killed the GOP in 2016-2020. Remember when Paul Ryan was in line to easily become the next republican president? But then the 2016-2020 admin completely destroyed his reputation?
Why would W. Be a nazi? He wasnt taking brown people off the street and deporting them to Nicaragua without a trial. Literally only trump has done that.
The gop that existed for my life was put on life support in early 2016. It no longer exists. A small extremist religious cell (left over from palins idiocy) has taken over and promised to bring us back to a time when America was "great". That theory is nonexistent, the america they, and you, long for never existed. However an old man with lead poisoning has gotten the votes of tons of other old white people with lead poisoning.
His statements make zero sense, the dude has clearly had a stroke. And yall think hes the 2nd coming of Reagan, and not the 2nd coming of Hitler. War on gays, war on Trans, war on anyone who doesn't see his "vision" of America.
This is not the GOP I supported.
And go unnatural carnal knowledge yourself if you think this is what the gop stood for.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:17:50 PMThanks for missing the point and allowing fascism to happen.
When they come for you, don't cry to scoop
If there's an attack on diminutive citizens, they will be very sorry and counter-attacked unlike anything they've seen or imagined.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:18:48 PMIf Condoleezza Rice ran or Michelle Obama are you saying they'd have no chance now?
Are you serious? Condoleeza Rice? What freaking party is nominating her? The Republican Party?!? Are you serious?
And Michelle Obama would have zero chance.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:21:46 PMAre you serious? Condoleeza Rice? What freaking party is nominating her? The Republican Party?!? Are you serious?
And Michelle Obama would have zero chance.
Michelle tried to tell my kids to eat healthier. That's tyranny
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:18:48 PMIf Condoleezza Rice ran or Michelle Obama are you saying they'd have no chance now?
Obviously they wouldn't. And dont get me wrong, its not just the GOP to blame for getting taken over by hard-core Christians. The dems severely fucked up in 16 and 24. The leadership for the dems should be removed.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 07:23:10 PMObviously they wouldn't. And dont get me wrong, its not just the GOP to blame for getting taken over by hard-core Christians. The dems severely fucked up in 16 and 24. The leadership for the dems should be removed.
Who would you run in 2028? Gavin? I thought Shapiro's address to the media after that horrific police shooting was on point.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 18, 2025, 07:21:46 PMAre you serious? Condoleeza Rice? What freaking party is nominating her? The Republican Party?!? Are you serious?
And Michelle Obama would have zero chance.
We have no idea what could happen in '28.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:26:40 PMWho would you run in 2028? Gavin? I thought Shapiro's address to the media after that horrific police shooting was on point.
Why didn't you condemn the shooting when it happened? You must not care about it
We desperately need Marquette basketball.
@MuggsyB @Jay Bee Here is a short movie made in 1943 called Dont Be a Sucker (by the greatest generation) i suggest you both watch it.
Its in response to a very real and very dangerous movement in fascism in the late 30s. They knew this 80 years ago. And im guessing with your age, you probably had either fathers or grandfather's who fought against the nazis.
Without knowing anything of your lives, im guessing your fathers/grandfather's woild slap you behind the head and then bring out the belt.
https://youtu.be/vGAqYNFQdZ4?si=FTU6FR1Cd1lSO7Lw
Dont be a sucker.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 18, 2025, 07:28:16 PMWhy didn't you condemn the shooting when it happened? You must not care about it
Silly post.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:27:37 PMWe have no idea what could happen in '28.
You're truly insane if you think Condoleeza Rice could get the GOP nomination today. There's a better chance they'd put her in jail than nominate her
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:31:14 PMSilly post.
You also never commented on Charlie Kirk's long history of antisemitism.
He pretended to support Israel as "proof" that he couldn't have been antisemitic, but his many statements to his brainwashed masses showed him to be a true Jew-hater.
Quote from: MU82 on September 18, 2025, 07:37:50 PMYou also never commented on Charlie Kirk's long history of antisemitism.
I barely knew who the guy was but I thought he was pro Israel.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:31:14 PMSilly post.
You made posts like this for weeks about Gaza.
I agree, it's a very silly post and you shouldn't resort to simple minded thinking like that in the future.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:39:07 PMI barely knew who the guy was but I thought he was pro Israel.
You're thinking of Lockheed Martin
nm
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 07:42:16 PMAs an Ex police officer for MPD, I'd much rather you didn't attempt to bring the death of police officers (a recent one who I knew from Milwaukee) as a political tactic.
Maybe frig off with that one Randy.
This isn't a political tactic at all. It was a comment.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 06:54:15 PMMuggsy, what ISNT fascist about this administration?
Please look at what's actually happening, im not some die hard liberal. If you look at my post history I align about 75% of my views with the old non trump GOP.
I would laugh and antagonize mu82 for his "extremist" views on these threads.
Now im completely with him. This administration is the closest thing we've ever had to literal nazis. FFS, were arresting and holding people without trial based on their skin color.
unnatural carnal knowledge off with your attachment with the GOP. Its dead, been replaced by fascists.
Thanks?
FWIW, I'm a registered Independent. I voted twice for Reagan, and also for Bush I. I voted for Blago's opponent twice when I lived in Chicago. In 2012, I voted for Pat McCrory for NC governor.
As soon as the GOP let Epstein's Best Buddy co-opt their once-proud party, though, I could no longer vote for a Republican. Like millions of others registered like me, I am a Never Trump Independent.
I truly respect Never Trump Republicans, many of whom have put their political careers on the line to speak the truth about the Fascist In Chief.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:46:08 PMThis isn't a political tactic at all. It was a comment.
"Who would you run in 2028? Gavin? I thought Shapiro's address to the media after that horrific police shooting was on point."
This comment made by you was very clearly made with the intentions to push your argument. It was 100% political, out of right field, and we were bowling.
Muggsy, that is absolutely an insult.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:39:07 PMI barely knew who the guy was but I thought he was pro Israel.
Did you read what I wrote? Like so many other antisemites, he hides behind an alleged pro-Israel stance so he can get away with blatant antisemitism here in America.
Quote from: MU82 on September 18, 2025, 07:49:02 PMThanks?
FWIW, I'm a registered Independent. I voted twice for Reagan, and also for Bush I. I voted for Blago's opponent twice when I lived in Chicago. In 2012, I voted for Pat McCrory for NC governor.
As soon as the GOP let Epstein's Best Buddy co-opt their once-proud party, though, I could no longer vote for a Republican. Like millions of others registered like me, I am a Never Trump Independent.
I truly respect Never Trump Republicans, many of whom have put their political careers on the line to speak the truth about the Fascist In Chief.
Honestly, would have brought up the name of the dude who you always argued back and forth with as well, but couldnt remember the name.
Probably got banned along with the dentist for trying to dox people.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 07:28:35 PM@MuggsyB
@Jay Bee
Its in response to a very real and very dangerous movement in fascism in the late 30s. They knew this 80 years ago. And im guessing with your age, you probably had either fathers or grandfather's who fought against the nazis.
https://youtu.be/vGAqYNFQdZ4?si=FTU6FR1Cd1lSO7Lw
Dont be a sucker.
Think their relatives live in Argentina
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 18, 2025, 07:53:25 PMThink their relatives live in Argentina
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Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 18, 2025, 07:50:18 PM"Who would you run in 2028? Gavin? I thought Shapiro's address to the media after that horrific police shooting was on point."
This comment made by you was very clearly made with the intentions to push your argument. It was 100% political, out of right field, and we were bowling.
Muggsy, that is absolutely an insult.
Whoakay.
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Everyone post your favorite meme or youtube video
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Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 18, 2025, 08:54:06 PMEveryone post your favorite meme or youtube video
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Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 18, 2025, 08:54:06 PMEveryone post your favorite meme or youtube video
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Muggs:
Neither the Colbert nor Kimmel situations has anything to do with ratings.
CBS' parent company had been working on a mega-deal and was having trouble securing regulatory approval. They cancel the Colbert show and, lo and behold ... approval!
Large ABC affiliates are also looking for regulatory approval for huge deals. Hey ... let's discipline another of the fascist's critics and maybe we'll get it.
Don't be naive. Business leaders have been emasculating themselves as they bend over frontwards for your president. It's sickening.
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Hey now. America is the only country that deals with mental health issues.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 18, 2025, 09:19:58 PMHey now. America is the only country that deals with mental health issues.
Give em guns it'll make them feel more powerful.
Maybe that would work for the president. Give him some guns. Then he wouldn't be so sensitive about people making fun of him.
To bring this a little back to the topic at hand.
Does anyone find it odd that in the text messages, Tyler indicates he had hoped to never involve his partner, and to keep this a secret until he died of old age....but also apparently pre-emptively left his partner a note?
And, what happened to the note? I've read in some places it was destroyed. Who destroyed it, the partner that also immediately contacted the police?
Those two elements just seem odd to me.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 18, 2025, 07:22:49 PMMichelle tried to tell my kids to eat healthier. That's tyranny
If only she'd told them to drink beef tallow and raw milk
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 06:46:10 PMJust so I have an idea Uncle R: Of the 77 million people that voted for Trump, what percentage of them are Nazis, Fascists, Racists, Misogynists, Homophobes, Transphobes, and Threats to Democracy?
I assume you are referring to Kimmel being suspended? Personally, I don't think the government should be involved with this decision at all. If it was because Trump pressured the bigwigs I think it's a terrible precedent. But Kimmel also didn't have good ratings as far as I know, so the bosses could have used his idiotic and bold faced lie as the last straw. I have no idea but the guy will wind up going digital and gaining more followers like you. Beyond that I thought the comments of Pam Bondi about policing or "going after" hate speech was literally tbe dumbest thing I've ever heard from a cabinet member.
Lastly, as far as the Liberal "threat to democracy" narrative, if a President has no role in running our country would you characterize that as a threat to democracy? Oh...and when all sorts of conservatives have lost their jobs for speech, say Roseanne and Gina Carano, which Liberals were up in arms about it?
I 100% believe in free speech, and that includes hate speech. Companies can do whatever they want if they conclude an employee engages in it or if it's bad for business. If Kimmel or Colbert had good ratings this wouldn't have happened, regardless if Trump pressured the CEO's. If Trump forced this it's definitely wrong, so we agree on that point.
If this was about ratings, why did the head of Sinclair say they would only put him back on the air if he apologizes and makes a significant contribution to Turning Point USA?
Really though your post is full of the extreme black and white thinking and the inconsistencies of a usual Muggsy post...and is therefore easily set aside.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 18, 2025, 07:39:07 PMI barely knew who the guy was but I thought he was pro Israel.
You can be pro-Israel and an antisemite.
You can be anti-Israel and not an antisemite.
You can be pro-Israel and not an antisemite.
You can be anti-Israel and an antisemite.
Quote from: forgetful on September 18, 2025, 09:41:27 PMTo bring this a little back to the topic at hand.
Does anyone find it odd that in the text messages, Tyler indicates he had hoped to never involve his partner, and to keep this a secret until he died of old age....but also apparently pre-emptively left his partner a note?
And, what happened to the note? I've read in some places it was destroyed. Who destroyed it, the partner that also immediately contacted the police?
Those two elements just seem odd to me.
The texts are incredibly strange. There are no spelling errors and they don't read like a 20 year old's texts. They explain every missing piece of information the FBI didn't have.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 19, 2025, 06:41:42 AMThe texts are incredibly strange. There are no spelling errors and they don't read like a 20 year old's texts. They explain every missing piece of information the FBI didn't have.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Come on now, our current FBI leadership would never falsify evidence to fit their own narrative. Never.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 19, 2025, 07:01:34 AMCome on now, our current FBI leadership would never falsify evidence to fit their own narrative. Never.
I'm having a hard time believing Casino Kash and Ding-a-Ling Dan could pull that off.
Now, the Project 2025 guys? Yes, certainly.
Reeko doesn't use his palm oil for cooking though.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 19, 2025, 07:24:15 AMReeko doesn't use his palm oil for cooking though.
No, I use it in the right thread, pal
LOL...oops.
"Free speech is the counterweight - it is the check on government control. That is why censorship is the authoritarian's dream." - Brendan Carr, 2023
"Political satire is one of the oldest and most important forms of free speech. It challenges those in power while using humor to draw more people in to the discussion. That's why people in influential positions have always targeted it for censorship." - Brendan Carr, 2022
"A newsroom's decision about what stories to cover and how to frame them should be beyond the reach of any government official." - Brendan Carr, 2021
"Should the government censor speech it doesn't like? Of course not. The FCC does not have a roving mandate to police speech in. The name of the 'public interest'.'" - Brendan Carr, 2019
NEW YORK (AP) — A Texas man has been charged with making death threats against New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani, prosecutors announced Thursday.
Jeremy Fistel, 44, was arrested in Texas and brought to New York for an arraignment on charges that he sent a series of threatening voicemails and written messages to Mamdani's office in June, prosecutors said.
In one message, Fistel said, "Start your car. See what happens," according to prosecutors. In others, he called Mamdani, who would be New York City's first Muslim mayor if elected, a terrorist and told him to go back to the country where he was born — Uganda.
"Muslims don't belong here," Fistel said, according to prosecutors. "You deserve to be six feet underground," another message said, according to authorities.
I look forward to the right's swift and forceful condemnation of this.
The killer used "Donald Trump" as his name on Steam. Such a lib thing to do.
This was .. shocking.
https://x.com/ericldaugh/status/1969053557912453286?s=46