And let me know what you're praying for
Charlie Kirk is a terrible person.
Also, what happened to him is reprehensible and ought to be universally condemned.
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
In the gun ok?
Thoughts and prayers.
But honestly, we need to stop political violence on both sides.
On a serious note, do NOT watch the close-up video.
I work in surgery everyday and I thought it was too much.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 02:28:54 PMCharlie Kirk is a terrible person.
Also, what happened to him is reprehensible and ought to be universally condemned.
100%
AND
Tots and pears -- but absolutely no legislation to reduce gun violence, okay everyone?
AND
Reaping & sowing/face-eating leopards -- as noted above, Charlie said gun deaths are an acceptable trade-off for our "god given" right to have all the guns we want
AND
"It's too early to politicize this" -- did I get that right?
Terrible, disgusting sh!t. WTF is wrong with people in this effed-up country?
Quote from: MU82 on September 10, 2025, 02:48:23 PMTerrible, disgusting sh!t. WTF is wrong with people in this effed-up country?
A: See above.
I'm sure DOGE will agree, but I think the state funeral should be combined with Ashli Babbitt for cost reasons.
Shame on some of you. Really disgusting.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2025, 02:56:19 PMShame on some of you. Really disgusting.
Agree. No one asked besides me if the gun was okay.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 02:34:24 PMOn a serious note, do NOT watch the close-up video.
I work in surgery everyday and I thought it was too much.
The close up video was the first reply to a tweet I saw and I've been uneasy ever since. It's REALLY bad, I'd be shocked if that didn't split the carotid artery right in half. Horrible
Shooting at high school in Colorado right now.
I'm sure both will receive the same level of outrage?
Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2025, 03:01:24 PMThe close up video was the first reply to a tweet I saw and I've been uneasy ever since. It's REALLY bad, I'd be shocked if that didn't split the carotid artery right in half. Horrible
Yeah, the close up is pretty clear, I can't imagine there is any way he survives that.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2025, 02:56:19 PMShame on some of you. Really disgusting.
Did he paint his nails?
It is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 02:28:54 PMCharlie Kirk is a terrible person.
Also, what happened to him is reprehensible and ought to be universally condemned.
Yes, both are true.
I just hope POTUS doesn't joke about this like he did over the attempted murder of Mr Pelosi.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Free speech, huh?
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Who's celebrating? A lot of people are pointing out the irony that he has downplayed political violence in the past.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
"The president was enraged," Esper recalled. "He thought that the protests made the country look weak, made us look weak and 'us' meant him. And he wanted to do something about it.
"We reached that point in the conversation where he looked frankly at [Joint Chiefs of Staff] Gen. [Mark] Milley and said, 'Can't you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something?' ... It was a suggestion and a formal question. And we were just all taken aback at that moment as this issue just hung very heavily in the air."
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
This guy said it is a small price to pay for gun freedom. Is he disgusting?
(https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/1290x1902/6a522db0_1480_4e64_a0a2_c421e8960d74_png_06d8daac206fd547713715bca3e41d912b5b9eed.jpg)
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
I'll take "Things that Never Happened" for $1,000.
If you're going to bring the faux outrage, at least make it about something that actually occurred.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 10, 2025, 03:18:56 PMThis guy said it is a small price to pay for gun freedom. Is he disgusting?
Are you lying?
The hypocrisy is equal and pathetic from both sides.
Time to lock this down.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
It's okay to say Charlie Kirk sucks, but not be okay with him being shot and killed because he sucks.
There has to be another way.
Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk said events like this are worth the right to own guns.
JCSO confirming a shooting at Evergreen High School. At least two students have been shot and are enroute to the hospital. Media staging at Evergreen Lake. Stay tuned for more.
https://x.com/jeffcosheriffco/status/1965856366536614235
Charlie's thoughts on shootings.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-its-worth-have-cost-unfortunately-some-gun-deaths-every-single-year-so-we
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2025, 03:22:47 PMAre you lying?
This you, bro?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64122.msg1508095#msg1508095
Kirk has died.
something about karma?
I hope his children - and mine - can grow up in a better world than the one which we currently occupy. This increases the probability that happens.
Quote from: Dish on September 10, 2025, 03:45:19 PMKirk has died.
Political violence begets political violence. The ramifications of this will not be good and whatever hate caused this individual to perform this heinous act will cause more hate and violence.
Quote from: Dish on September 10, 2025, 03:45:19 PMKirk has died.
I thought Penix Jr was impressive too
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 03:50:22 PMPolitical violence begets political violence. The ramifications of this will not be good and whatever hate caused this individual to perform this heinous act will cause more hate and violence.
I hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
Sounds like a threat?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
The only loser will be the American populace, like always, when political violence runs amok
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 04:18:28 PMThe only loser will be the American populace, like always, when political violence runs amok
Amen to that.
Both sides will continue to blame the other and only make things worse.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
You've identified the shooter?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 10, 2025, 04:20:44 PMBoth sides will continue to blame the other and only make things worse.
It's already begun and will only embolden those that want to act out.
What we need is steady, unimpulsive leadership. Unfortunately, we are in short supply of that throughout the nation
What does this do to Marquette's cause?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 04:15:01 PMI hope you are wrong but either way, this was not a net positive for the left today and I'm not looking forward to an energized right wing.
Kirk was one of those figures who was largely unknown to people unless they are online a lot. And most people aren't.
As we would offer me, I offer him. Thoughts and prayers.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 04:23:59 PMKirk was one of those figures who was largely unknown to people unless they are online a lot. And most people aren't.
My over arching point is that its the crack pots on the fringe of both sides are the ones I'm afraid of, and they maybe the ones who know of Kirk. But I hope your are right and this blows over without any escalation.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
It's a sad day when anyone is shot including the 3 kids in critical condition in Denver.
Have you also posted about your outrage in the numerous threads about the mass murder of kids in this country?
Lots of reaction to this that was missing after the Minnesota politicians were assassinated
Guns are the new god. Gun culture is the new religion. The religion is spreading across political lines, gender lines, etc. Time to celebrate this new religion, and work on a tax exemption.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 04:34:05 PMLots of reaction to this that was missing after the Minnesota politicians were assassinated
Either way, the fundraising will be incredible
Rest in piss lol
Eventually, he will be treated as a martyr to his religion. If he can wrangle a couple of miracles, possible sainthood.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 10, 2025, 04:59:47 PMRest in piss lol
WTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Has Trump pardoned the gun, yet?
Crime in Red states is out of control
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Happy for him he did not pass away a virgin
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Charlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 05:11:33 PMCharlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
Adolf builds a bonfire, Enrico plays with it
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rest_in_piss
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMScoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Pretty small minority. I scraped the site a while ago and pulled together some data to see for myself. Told a pretty sad and pathetic story actually. Was frustrated because the main way I access the site is via the "Recent Posts" section and it was constantly clogged with off topic cherry picked political slop. Thankfully, the Mods removed The Superbar from the Recent Posts, so all is fixed for me now. Thank you Mods!
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Both things can be true. It's terrible he's dead and his children will be fatherless. It's also true he was a terrible person who was racist, homophobic and transphobic and the worst kind of political commentator.
Quote from: CountryRoads on September 10, 2025, 05:22:56 PMPretty small minority. I scraped the site a while ago and pulled together some data to see for myself. Told a pretty sad and pathetic story actually. Was frustrated because the main way I access the site is via the "Recent Posts" section and it was constantly clogged with off topic political slop. Thankfully, the Mods removed The Superbar from the Recent Posts, so all is fixed for me now. Thank you Mods!
And yet here you are
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 05:11:33 PMCharlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
With all the hot takes (and jokes) here, this is probably the best take on today's events.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 10, 2025, 05:06:44 PMWTF do you mean by this???
A father of 2 young children is shot & killed and the first thing Pakuni posts is that he is a terrible person.
Scoopers have really gone off the deep end!
Apologies. I'd forgotten that being shot erases all the terrible things a person has said and done in their lifetime.
And why'd you leave out the second part of my post?
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 05:29:15 PMApologies. I'd forgotten that being shot erases all the terrible things a person has said and done in their lifetimes.
And why'd you leave out the second part of my post?
Oddly, Mike Lee isn't making any jokes about this shooting. He must have learned his lesson.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 05:25:13 PMBoth things can be true. It's terrible he's dead and his children will be fatherless. It's also true he was a terrible person who was racist, homophobic and transphobic and the worst kind of political commentator.
Apparently you're off. He's our MLK and worthy of a Presidential order to fly flags at half mast (which he initially refused to do for President Carter).
https://x.com/DowntownDan/status/1965905026724802673?t=ymXDK2SyX6XIw-O715mi3Q&s=19
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 10, 2025, 05:53:04 PMApparently you're off. He's our MLK and worthy of a Presidential order to fly flags at half mast (which he initially refused to do for President Carter).
https://x.com/DowntownDan/status/1965905026724802673?t=ymXDK2SyX6XIw-O715mi3Q&s=19
Well, Jimmy Carter was pretty evil.
Mariners are woke
https://x.com/mariners/status/1964766569327948018?s=46
For the second time for my wife and I, a school shooting far away struck way too close to home. The school shooting in Colorado was next door to an elementary school where a friend has their kindergartener enrolled. A 5 year old got a little extra education today, learning about live shooter protocols for 5 year olds.
God is not going to be kind to those who aggressively defend gun violence. What about having no gods before Me? What about beating swords into plowshares? Acceptable collateral damage and racist dog whistles in defense of guns is not a conversation one wants to have to defend to St. Peter at the pearly gates.
Edit: the child in question is the niece of my neighbor. My neighbor was out visiting her sister, bil, and niece last week. She went in to read to her niece's class last Friday and was there for the live shooter drill they held. So, the good news is that the 4 and 5 year olds were prepared.
Very disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
I have been saying much of this for ages. Welcome to the party, pal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:35:56 PMVery disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
Huh.
This country is done. #LastDays
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:35:56 PMVery disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
Agree. Full faith our political leaders will do exactly that
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 06:40:35 PMHuh.
A civil war has been the goal of a subset of Americans, going back 30+ years to Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and Michigan militia types.
https://x.com/yankees/status/1965913114450501983?s=46
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 06:43:21 PMA civil war has been the goal of a subset of Americans, going back 30+ years to Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and Michigan militia types.
Again,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
I am sure there is a 5 point plan somewhere.
Quote from: noblewarrior on September 10, 2025, 06:48:29 PMhttps://x.com/yankees/status/1965913114450501983?s=46
I mean kudos to them for protesting respectfully. Meanwhile my tickets to the Cardinals series are for sale.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:50:30 PMAgain,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
Both sides lol
Blessings to all.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:50:30 PMAgain,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
The president of the United States and numerous other GOP "leaders," not to mention Fox News types, were outright giddy after Paul Pelosi was savagely attacked. Trayvon Martin and George Floyd were publicly executed, and the president and others on the right not only implied that the victims deserved what they got but also came to support the murderers.
Please provide links showing that Dem political leaders and/or left-leaning legacy media have had a similar reaction today.
Thanks.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 10, 2025, 06:57:37 PMBoth sides lol
It's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 10, 2025, 04:59:47 PMRest in piss lol
Sounds like a bannable comment if I've seen one. Your soul has been converted to the devil. But this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:06:49 PMSounds like a bannable comment if I've seen one. Your soul has been converted to the devil. But this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
You still mad about the Shaka hire?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:06:49 PMBut this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
I feel the same way. I keep bringing up scripture and people keep defending purveyors of racism and misogyny. #sad
"You still mad about the Shaka hire? "
Not the place to deflect loser
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:10:51 PM"You still mad about the Shaka hire? "
Not the place to deflect loser
Are you?
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 02:29:01 PMhttps://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
"I didn't mean ME! Damn it's hot in here.
Charlie Kirk, 9/10/2025
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:06:49 PMSounds like a bannable comment if I've seen one. Your soul has been converted to the devil. But this place seems like a godless hellhole lately
Your presence here isn't mandatory.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
Only one side seems to denounce all political violence however.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
The fringe crack pots on both sides think they are righteous.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 07:10:51 PM"You still mad about the Shaka hire? "
Not the place to deflect loser
Looks like he's deflecting loser pretty well.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:35:56 PMVery disappointing thread. There is no place for this crap and violence has been fomented by both sides of the political aisle. Many thoughts I'm reading here sound gleeful and it's embarrassing. What should happen is our national leaders and media should come together and in the strongest terms denounce political acts of violence.
Scoopers should come together as well.
Our country is at a tipping point that could very well lead to a Civil War in the near future. We are lucky enough to be able to disagree about politics in the USA. However, the level of vitriol and violence is now completely out of hand. We desperately need to take a step back and collectively find a way to save our country from utter chaos.
From the guy who calls for the assassination of "bad guys' like Putin, even though it would certainly lead to war, probably nuclear.
From the guy who was embarrassingly gleeful when the IDF bombed Gaza, even though many innocent people were killed. "Happens", right?
From the guy who wrote that moose have the right to kill people
without mercy.
From the guy who furiously goes after and insults everyone who disagrees with him with vitriol.
Thank you for suggesting that we all need to come together to renounce violence.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
What if the victims are Palestinian Americans though
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
You should look at the actual data and statistics that compare this stuff
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 04:34:05 PMLots of reaction to this that was missing after the Minnesota politicians were assassinated
Bump
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 07:26:47 PMYou should look at the actual data and statistics that compare this stuff
https://bsky.app/profile/saladshooter.bsky.social/post/3lyjakhe7d22r
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 07:24:23 PMWhat if the victims are Palestinian Americans though
Ni idea what you're trying to say.
"we're gonna avenge Charlie's death"
The world would be a much better place if this country had the same reaction to dozens of children in schools being gunned down as there has been to the guy who said those lives are the cost of protecting a 234 year old document made when you could fire 2 bullets in a minute at that time gets killed. I'm not happy to see the guy murdered, but it's crazy to see who suddenly comes out of the woodwork when that are nowhere to be found when many more people die.
It is interesting that his own words after a shooting ate suddenly inappropriate after his shooting.
It's almost like they're hypocritical.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 10, 2025, 07:57:19 PMIt is interesting that his own words after a shooting ate suddenly inappropriate after his shooting.
It's almost like they're hypocritical.
Kids dying is fine. Rich and famous isn't.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
One side has attempted or succeeded in several political assassinations in the past few years. The other side hasn't as far as I can recall. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Paul Pelosi's attempted murder, murdering those two politicians in Minnesota, attempted kidnapping and murder of the MI governor, attempted assassination of the president.
Might as well take credit, they've absolutely cornered the market on violent crazies.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 07:24:23 PMWhat if the victims are Palestinian Americans though
Muggsy doesn't see color. He identifies as white because algorithms make it easier to get a home loan
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 08:07:55 PMMuggsy doesn't see color. He identifies as white because algorithms make it easier to get a home loan
I actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:20:22 PMI actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
Muggsy thinks he's part of a superior class
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:20:22 PMI actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
The body sometimes compensates for other shortcomings.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:20:22 PMI actually have close to 20/10 vision. And less than 1% of the human population has 20/10 vision.
Freak
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:22:41 PMThe body sometimes compensates for other shortcomings.
My eyesight is highly unusual. Especially for my height.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:25:56 PMMy eyesight is highly unusual. Especially for my height.
There are
many things about you that are "highly unusual".
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 08:25:56 PMMy eyesight is highly unusual. Especially for my height.
They should use you for scoping out militant tunnels under hospitals
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 08:35:52 PMThey should use you for scoping out militant tunnels under hospitals
If only he had been in Utah today he could have spotted the assassin
Quote from: wadesworld on September 10, 2025, 07:47:39 PMThe world would be a much better place if this country had the same reaction to dozens of children in schools being gunned down as there has been to the guy who said those lives are the cost of protecting a 234 year old document made when you could fire 2 bullets in a minute at that time gets killed. I'm not happy to see the guy murdered, but it's crazy to see who suddenly comes out of the woodwork when that are nowhere to be found when many more people die.
Bingo.
We should unban rocket and 4ever for 24 hours but limited only to this thread
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 10, 2025, 08:41:37 PMWe should unban rocket and 4ever for 24 hours but limited only to this thread
I would prefer some inside knowledge on dental crimes but other than that I agree.
Let us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Amen.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Agreed.
And civil disobedience isn't violence, right folks?
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
I think this in an excellent post to wrap this thread up.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
Yes. Hopefully some good comes out of this.
Quote from: tower912 on September 10, 2025, 08:50:45 PMLet us all condemn political violence of every kind. From Pelosi's husband, to the Minnesota victims, to Charlie Kirk. Let us condemn all political violence and all who fail to condemn all political violence.
I would add that we should condemn violence/murders of all kinds.
This country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often.
What do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Eye-opening. I did not appreciate he wasn't qualified until just now.
Flags at half mast for Charlie?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 10, 2025, 09:06:59 PMThis country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often.
America's insistence on ignorance over education has always been what will be our undoing.
Whether it's our rejection of science over superstition, our fear of understanding history over embarrassment of our past or lust for fame and fortune over common decency, we've been heading down this path a very long time.
We had the opportunity to overcome the injustices of our inequalities but instead of striving to fight the oligarchs, we've allowed ourselves to be stuck in pointless culture wars, perpetuated by those in power. We are here because we reject knowledge.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 09:25:26 PMAmerica's insistence on ignorance over education has always been what will be our undoing.
Whether it's our rejection of science over superstition, our fear of understanding history over embarrassment of our past or lust for fame and fortune over common decency, we've been heading down this path a very long time.
We had the opportunity to overcome the injustices of our inequalities but instead of striving to fight the oligarchs, we've allowed ourselves to be stuck in pointless culture wars, perpetuated by those in power. We are here because we reject knowledge.
Our recent education scores are not good.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 09:21:42 PMEye-opening. I did not appreciate he wasn't qualified until just now.
Is the first part about how he takes portraits
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 09:25:26 PMAmerica's insistence on ignorance over education has always been what will be our undoing.
Whether it's our rejection of science over superstition, our fear of understanding history over embarrassment of our past or lust for fame and fortune over common decency, we've been heading down this path a very long time.
We had the opportunity to overcome the injustices of our inequalities but instead of striving to fight the oligarchs, we've allowed ourselves to be stuck in pointless culture wars, perpetuated by those in power. We are here because we reject knowledge.
I don't know I could have said this better.
And I assume by the bolded you mean here on Scoop
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 10, 2025, 09:23:22 PMFlags at half mast for Charlie?
A black police officer was killed at the CDC a month ago by a lunatic who was radicalized against the CDC. Flags at half staff for him? A word of condemnation from the administration? Of course not.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 09:36:54 PMI don't know I could have said this better.
And I assume by the bolded you mean here on Scoop
Hold up! I have to grab some popcorn before these fireworks start.
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This country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often. "
Yeah great talk chief. And yet u still haven't banned skat. You're gross too
Topper-
Can you link how to quote posts?
Thanks
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Kash Patel in the position he's in explains a lot about modern American exceptionalism
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 09:43:14 PMA black police officer was killed at the CDC a month ago by a lunatic who was radicalized against the CDC. Flags at half staff for him? A word of condemnation from the administration? Of course not.
A cynical person would point out the police are pigs, but thankfully I'm not cynical.
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Elections have consequences or some such.
Damn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Ah, a transphobe.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 10, 2025, 09:53:23 PMA cynical person would point out the police are pigs, but thankfully I'm not cynical.
A cynical person would point out "Back The Blue", but I'm not cynical
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
Who would have thought pushing out senior officials and hiring podcasters to run the agency was a bad idea?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 06:50:30 PMAgain,
Violence has been fomented by both sides and both sides in tbe media.
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Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 10, 2025, 10:20:21 PMjesussssssssssss
It's too late to ask for forgiveness for both him and myself
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
There it is!
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 10, 2025, 09:21:42 PMEye-opening. I did not appreciate he wasn't qualified until just now.
Since he's not a white Christian male, he was obviously a DEI hire. Just goes to show what happens when you don't hire the straight white Christian male.
Quote from: pbiflyer on September 10, 2025, 10:34:54 PMSince he's not a white Christian male, he was obviously a DEI hire. Just goes to show what happens when you don't hire the straight white Christian male.
He's snorting enough white to get grandfathered in?
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 09:17:59 PMWhat do people think about the head of the FBI coming out and saying they had "the subject for the horrific shooting...in custody," when it was not the individual involved.
That's pretty embarrassing, and horrible investigative/police work.
im sure he has some conspiracy theories.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Before this incident, the last time you posted here was four-plus years ago when you talked about how bad the Shaka hire was and that we would have been better with Porter Moser.
We will miss your keen insights.
Are we coming together yet?
I want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, his background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
No, they won't
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 10, 2025, 09:06:59 PMThis country has a perfect mix of ingredients, a declining common belief in values, an abundance of mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, radicalizing social media, plus easy access to guns.
The only thing we should be surprised about is that political violence isn't happening more often.
...and why should we be surprised about that? Political violence is nothing knew. I lived it: JKF, Lee Harvey Oswald, Malcom X, George Wallace, MLK and RFK Sr, not to mention all the lesser known Civil Rights leaders in the south who were also murdered.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
per twitter we've already caught the shooter twice!
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
"This is who I am"
Don't worry, loser, you won't be missed.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
people living on the fringe aren't looking for facts, they're just looking for an excuse
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 11, 2025, 05:20:24 AMAre we coming together yet?
Mad about being called Nazi's, yet call this a Reichstag moment. You can't write the stupidity
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 11, 2025, 05:20:24 AMAre we coming together yet?
Interesting thing to do. Advertising their mental instability like that.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 05:28:09 AMI want the murderer found and justice served. It is my suspicion that the truth about the shooter, hos background, his politics, his motivation, are not going to line up with the mania. An even bigger question is if my suspicions are correct, will facts matter?
Consider that they may line up with the mania and that the truth no longer matters. Only what runs first and the reaction it causes.
A truly chilling world we've made for ourselves.
Indeed. Reaping what has been sown.
I don't celebrate political violence. Incidents like this tend to beget more incidents like this. Kirk supporters will use it as a justification to enact violence on the people they paint as "opponents" and it will only further divide us as a nation.
That said, I'm not sure anyone has done more to stoke that division over the past 13 years than Kirk. I keep seeing how he's a "Christian" yet the things he says about immigrants, minority communities, and the poor are about as antithetical to the words of Jesus Christ as one can be. His comments on gun violence only underscore how he's a victim of the violence he claimed was good for our country.
In the long run, this will make things worse, not better. I expect it will push us further apart and lead to more violence. And the victims most likely will be people that had nothing to do with any of this.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
Person who uses "trannies" as a derogatory slur thinks he has captured the moral high ground
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 11, 2025, 07:28:58 AMI don't celebrate political violence. Incidents like this tend to beget more incidents like this. Kirk supporters will use it as a justification to enact violence on the people they paint as "opponents" and it will only further divide us as a nation.
That said, I'm not sure anyone has done more to stoke that division over the past 13 years than Kirk. I keep seeing how he's a "Christian" yet the things he says about immigrants, minority communities, and the poor are about as antithetical to the words of Jesus Christ as one can be. His comments on gun violence only underscore how he's a victim of the violence he claimed was good for our country.
In the long run, this will make things worse, not better. I expect it will push us further apart and lead to more violence. And the victims most likely will be people that had nothing to do with any of this.
Yes.
I am not celebrating his death, but I also will not be celebrating his life.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 06:13:30 AMper twitter we've already caught the shooter twice!
You spelled Kash wrong.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 11, 2025, 07:28:58 AMThat said, I'm not sure anyone has done more to stoke that division over the past 13 years than Kirk. I keep seeing how he's a "Christian" yet the things he says about immigrants, minority communities, and the poor are about as antithetical to the words of Jesus Christ as one can be. His comments on gun violence only underscore how he's a victim of the violence he claimed was good for our country.
He also called for the public execution of people that thwarted Trump. Public executions, sponsored by corporations. Not of criminals, just people that opposed Trump's agenda.
This is a guy that feed the bonfire of hate gallons and gallons of gasoline because it made him rich. Eventually it consumed him.
He supposedly paid to bus and house people to attend a rally where they assaulted law enforcement officers and tried to overturn a fair election.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 08:22:49 AMHe supposedly paid to bus and house people to attend a rally where they assaulted law enforcement officers and tried to overturn a fair election.
Tourists
A person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
I don't think he should have been killed. Also the world is better when some people aren't in it. He was a man filled with hate.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
I've seen every prominent democratic politician come out and denounce this. Prominent people outside of politics, that vehemently disagree with everything Kirk has ever said, vehemently denounce this.
These people highlight the lengthy trend in violence towards political figures, which has been overwhelmingly directed at those on the left.
This build up of hate driven dialogue, and hate-driven politics has been giving many/most Americans pause for a while.
All the above said, most of what I've seen where individuals might be thinking that a person/poster is celebrating this heinous attack, is not celebrating (in my opinion), rather them trying to highlight who Charlie Kirk was, and what some of those "beliefs" were as counterpoints to his being celebrated as a saint/martyr.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 11, 2025, 08:47:26 AMFreedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.
I don't think he should have been killed. Also the world is better when some people aren't in it. He was a man filled with hate.
Very first sentence: victim blaming.
Second paragraph:
Sentence one: how magnanimous of you.
Sentence two: you are not sincere about sentence one.
Sentence three: hate is the new shorthand word for stuff one does not agree with.
I fail to see what freedom of speech has to do with any of this.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2025, 07:48:33 AMYou spelled Kash wrong.
Im genuinely curious how bad the circumstantial evidence was on the person they arrested that they announced they arrested the shooter and within hours they had already released them and said they were innocent.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
I don't think anyone disagrees with this. I think the frustrations are that political violence has been occurring quite a lot recently, and much of it is being ignored because it doesn't fit a certain narrative.
Not to mention that yesterday's victim has had a role to play in both rising violence and ignoring its consequences.
Look, I would stand up an applaud if our leaders had the moral courage to tone down the rhetoric and seek a more compromising tone. However my guess is that the violence from one "side" will continue to be ignored, while we stamp out the rights of another.
I hope I am wrong.
Quote from: 88Warrior on September 10, 2025, 03:07:45 PMIt is a sad day when people celebrate someone being shot for what they say in a country that used to celebrate free speech. Some of you are truly disgusting human beings.
Did you graduate in '88?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 08:58:11 AMI don't think anyone disagrees with this. I think the frustrations are that political violence has been occurring quite a lot recently, and much of it is being ignored because it doesn't fit a certain narrative.
Not to mention that yesterday's victim has had a role to play in both rising violence and ignoring its consequences.
Look, I would stand up an applaud if our leaders had the moral courage to tone down the rhetoric and seek a more compromising tone. However my guess is that the violence from one "side" will continue to be ignored, while we stamp out the rights of another.
I hope I am wrong.
Unfortunately, you're already right. There is no suspect in custody, no motive, no anything. And yet, the leader of our country has decided that it was "radical left violence". A truly abhorrent disgusting accusation from the President of the United States that will do nothing but pour gasoline on an already dangerous situation.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 08:57:21 AMIm genuinely curious how bad the circumstantial evidence was on the person they arrested that they announced they arrested the shooter and within hours they had already released them and said they were innocent.
I read somewhere that he was apprehended because he was a known political activist and was at the scene.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 11, 2025, 09:10:34 AMUnfortunately, you're already right. There is no suspect in custody, no motive, no anything. And yet, the leader of our country has decided that it was "radical left violence". A truly abhorrent disgusting accusation from the President of the United States that will do nothing but pour gasoline on an already dangerous situation.
Beyond that, he said that liberal criticism of conservatives was "directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today," and he vowed to go after groups that fund or support it.
Shocking that he didn't similarly condemn conservative criticism of liberals for being directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and that he didn't vow to go after conservatives groups that fund or support it.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:55:46 AMVery first sentence: victim blaming.
Second paragraph:
Sentence one: how magnanimous of you.
Sentence two: you are not sincere about sentence one.
Sentence three: hate is the new shorthand word for stuff one does not agree with.
I've noticed you haven't had anything to say when children in schools get murdered. Honestly curious, why was this the person whose life meant enough to take a stand?
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:55:46 AMVery first sentence: victim blaming.
Second paragraph:
Sentence one: how magnanimous of you.
Sentence two: you are not sincere about sentence one.
Sentence three: hate is the new shorthand word for stuff one does not agree with.
The very first sentence is the core of free speech in America. Punch a Nazi, arrest the person yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater, imprison the lechers chatting up kids. There are limits to free speech, and that's not a controversial concept.
The second thought: Just because the world is a better place without hatemongers doesn't mean that they should be murdered. Both things can be true without any cognitive dissonance. For an extreme example: I wish we had the opportunity to imprison and put Hitler on trial for his crimes instead of him taking the easy way out. Murder/suicide isn't the answer. Also, the world is better once certain people are gone.
Edit: Non-sequitur, but it's funny talking to all these debate bros that listened to that community college dropout's podcast. Some of the dumbest rhetoric mostly resonates with their tribe, I suppose. All dog whistles and fallacies. I can't believe so many people are up in arms about a podcaster and not the ~40 kids that have been shot since the beginning of the school year last month.
Enrique Tarrio, the former leader of the Proud Boys, reposted to his X account a post from a fellow Jan. 6 defendant calling for "war."
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 11, 2025, 09:27:35 AMThe very first sentence is the core of free speech in America. Punch a Nazi, arrest the person yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater, imprison the lechers chatting up kids. There are limits to free speech, and that's not a controversial concept.
The second thought: Just because the world is a better place without hatemongers doesn't mean that they should be murdered. Both things can be true without any cognitive dissonance. For an extreme example: I wish we had the opportunity to imprison and put Hitler on trial for his crimes instead of him taking the easy way out. Murder/suicide isn't the answer. Also, the world is better once certain people are gone.
Shouting "fire in a crowded theater" is not illegal; it is protected 1st Amendment speech.
That there are limits to the free speech is not controversial. What those limits are, on the other hand, are very controversial.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 09:32:50 AMShouting "fire in a crowded theater" is not illegal; it is protected 1st Amendment speech.
That there are limits to the free speech is not controversial. What those limits are, on the other hand, are very controversial.
If there's not a fire and your yelling of "fire" is likely to cause a stampede you'll be arrested.
Everything has an exception and it makes it hard to discuss things with internet lawyers. :p
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 11, 2025, 09:42:03 AMIf there's not a fire and your yelling of "fire" is likely to cause a stampede you'll be arrested.
Everything has an exception and it makes it hard to discuss things with internet lawyers. :p
Look it can be a dumb thing to do, but it is not illegal. It was a rhetorical flourish used in one case the justify jailing a person who was protesting the draft, a case that was the absolute high-water mark of the state's power to arrest people for their speech and which was *immediately* and consistently abandoned and walked back.
I do not think you should shout "fire" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. But doing so is not against the law, and repeating the assertion that it is actually makes it difficult to understand what the real restrictions to free speech are and how they function in the real world.
Sorry to be a buzzkill.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 09:47:02 AMSorry to be a buzzkill.
I think it's the whole point of the internet. No need to apologize for being correct.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 08:54:27 AMThese people highlight the lengthy trend in violence towards political figures, which has been overwhelmingly directed at those on the left.
I suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 09:32:50 AMShouting "fire in a crowded theater" is not illegal; it is protected 1st Amendment speech.
That there are limits to the free speech is not controversial. What those limits are, on the other hand, are very controversial.
Incorrect. It is very illegal if it causes panic or harm, which it most likely would.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
He said very ironically.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
Go ahead and list the recent successful/attempted political assassinations by 'those on the left'.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 11, 2025, 10:00:55 AMIncorrect. It is very illegal.
Should we go through the Brandenburg Test for incitement? I'm having lots of fun flashbacks to the socratic method we could re-enact. There's only about a hundred prominent first amendment lawyers who've collectively published thousands of articles explaining the whole "fire in a crowded theater" thing, we could just link to one and let people read it for themselves. Or, of course, we could go back to "it's a fun rhetorical flourish and I don't care what actual first amendment jurisprudence says."
In any case, we're distracting from this thread's regularly scheduled event of "should I believe the plain reality of the world being presented to me via evidence" vs "no bro, get out of your bubble, I'm totally right."
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 10:06:49 AMShould we go through the Brandenburg Test for incitement? I'm having lots of fun flashbacks to the socratic method we could re-enact. There's only about a hundred prominent first amendment lawyers who've collectively published thousands of articles explaining the whole "fire in a crowded theater" thing, we could just link to one and let people read it for themselves. Or, of course, we could go back to "it's a fun rhetorical flourish and I don't care what actual first amendment jurisprudence says."
In any case, we're distracting from this thread's regularly scheduled event of "should I believe the plain reality of the world being presented to me via evidence" vs "no bro, get out of your bubble, I'm totally right."
I welcome you to trot down to your local AMC and give it a shot.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 11, 2025, 10:06:49 AMShould we go through the Brandenburg Test for incitement? I'm having lots of fun flashbacks to the socratic method we could re-enact. There's only about a hundred prominent first amendment lawyers who've collectively published thousands of articles explaining the whole "fire in a crowded theater" thing, we could just link to one and let people read it for themselves. Or, of course, we could go back to "it's a fun rhetorical flourish and I don't care what actual first amendment jurisprudence says."
720 ILCS 5/26-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 26-1)
Sec. 26-1. Disorderly conduct.
(a) A person commits disorderly conduct when he or she knowingly:
(1) Does any act in such unreasonable manner as to
alarm or disturb another and to provoke a breach of the peace;
(2) Transmits or causes to be transmitted in any
manner to the fire department of any city, town, village or fire protection district a false alarm of fire, knowing at the time of the transmission that there is no reasonable ground for believing that the fire exists;
https://www.ilga.gov/Documents/legislation/ilcs/documents/072000050K26-1.htm
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
Where was all this defensiveness for the following:
Timothy McVeigh's bombing
Minnesota assisinations
Gabrielle Giffords shooting
Buffalo Shooting
Charleston shooting
Unite the right killing
Abortion clinic bombings
Just to name a few. Furthermore university of Maryland ran a study on political violence by political ideology. Right wing domestic terrorism is 45% more likely than left wing. Now the fact that there's any left wing at all is despicable but you're trying to draw an equivalency to deflect blame when there's clearly a significantly bigger problem on one side than the other.
https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 08:28:16 AMA person engaging in peaceful political discourse and open debate in the United States was assassinated for it.
This should give all of us pause as Americans.
Freedom of Speech is not only for speech we agree with.
One could take a statement of his such as "gay people should be stoned to death" as a direct threat. That's not political discourse or open debate. If I said badgerhater should be killed that's not me just positing an extreme ideology that's quite literally saying I believe you should die.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:33:23 AMOne could take a statement of his such as "gay people should be stoned to death" as a direct threat. That's not political discourse or open debate. If I said badgerhater should be killed that's not me just positing an extreme ideology that's quite literally saying I believe you should die.
#FakeNews #Lies
He didn't say that.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 10:36:05 AM#FakeNews #Lies
He didn't say that.
Ok the direct quote is apparently false, instead he quoted scripture in this podcast mentioning that the Bible says if you lay with another man you should be stoned to death.
https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1800678317030564306/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1800678317030564306¤tTweetUser=patriottakes
to rico's point didn't you claim a bunch of #fakenews and #lies yourself about pelosi's husband? Glass houses and what not.
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
'Leave your echo chamber and enter mine'
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:30:23 AMWhere was all this defensiveness for the following:
Timothy McVeigh's bombing
Minnesota assisinations
Gabrielle Giffords shooting
Buffalo Shooting
Charleston shooting
Unite the right killing
Abortion clinic bombings
Just to name a few. Furthermore university of Maryland ran a study on political violence by political ideology. Right wing domestic terrorism is 45% more likely than left wing. Now the fact that there's any left wing at all is despicable but you're trying to draw an equivalency to deflect blame when there's clearly a significantly bigger problem on one side than the other.
https://ccjs.umd.edu/feature/umd-led-study-shows-disparities-violence-among-extremist-groups
The problem is that this is in the liberal echo chamber and you're not listening to studies from outside that filled with nonsequiters, red herrings and the feelings of enraged white men
Quote from: Badgerhater on September 11, 2025, 09:59:23 AMI suggest you take a visit out of your echo chamber. There is no shortage of violent rhetoric, actions and crime from the left.
I routinely watch news/media from all sides of the spectrum to get an idea of what they are all saying. While there is always blame to be found on both sides, there is a decided difference in the tone and narrative of the different groups out there.
"We don't yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight, especially his wife Erika and their two young children." Barack Obama
This horrific act is a reminder that political violence has no place in our society. Regardless of our beliefs or affiliations, resorting to violence to settle differences is never acceptable. Let's not retreat into silence or hatred, but rise above violence by recommitting ourselves to the democratic principles of civil engagement and mutual respect," Katie Hobbs, Democratic Governor of Arizona.
"Political violence has absolutely no place in our nation. All Americans should pray for Charlie Kirk's recovery and hold the entire UVU community in our hearts as they endure the trauma of this gun violence." Nancy Pelosi
"The scourge of gun violence and political violence must end. The shooting of Charlie Kirk is the latest incident of this chaos and it must stop. We cannot go down this road." AOC
"For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie Kirk to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This type of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now." Donald J. Trump
"They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it or not. What are we gonna do about it" Jesse Watters, Foxnews.
"Charlie Kirk is a casualty of war. We are at war in this country. We are." Steve Bannon.
"If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die" Elon Musk
"We are up against demonic forces from the pit of Hell. This is existential. A fight for our own existence and the existence of our country." Matt Walsh, political commentator.
See any differences? And remember, we don't know who did this or why yet.
Also, I'm out of this conversation. There is not going to be productive conversation here, which is part of the problem and part of why we are at this point in our society.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:42:34 AMOk the direct quote is apparently false,
Shhhh. Stop there, youngin. And stop lying.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 10:52:11 AMShhhh. Stop there, youngin. And stop lying.
#fakenews #lies Jay bee's trying to lie about what Kirk said literally on video.
The Democratic Party platform, Kirk wrote in a bulleted list last year, was "Mass migration, Dirty cities, Men in women's sports, Baby killing, High taxes, Inflationary spending, Anti-police, Anti-male, Anti-woman, Anti-whites, Anti-American, Pro-foreigner, Pro-gangbanger, [and] Pro-Hamas."
Responding to a commenter, Kirk added: "Pro-child grooming, yes."
"The Democrat Party supports everything that God hates," he said a few days before the presidential election. "The Democrat Party is espousing the death of the unborn, the mutilation of our teenage kids, open borders, the destruction of our sovereignty, the elimination of our currency status."
MSNBC fired political analyst Matthew Dowd and apologized for his "inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable" comments about Kirk.
https://www.editorandpublisher.com/stories/msnbc-apologizes-over-matthew-dowds-insensitive-on-air-comments-after-charlie-kirk,257678?
Fox News, meanwhile, is filled with hate-filled, anti-left screeds. It no doubt will reward those who are most hate-filled.
Again ... both sides.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2025, 11:18:16 AMMSNBC fired political analyst Matthew Dowd and apologized for his "nappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable" comments about Kirk.
https://www.editorandpublisher.com/stories/msnbc-apologizes-over-matthew-dowds-insensitive-on-air-comments-after-charlie-kirk,257678?
Fox News, meanwhile, is filled with hate-filled, anti-left screeds. It no doubt will reward those who are most hate-filled.
Again ... both sides.
This is a good example of differences. Based on the quote in the article, there really wasn't anything incorrect about what Dowds said, but it was insensitive and inappropriate from a national voice in a time where a family, and friends were grieving. Give people time to grieve, and always respect the sanctity of life.
MSNBC did the right thing in punishing him.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2025, 11:18:16 AMMSNBC fired political analyst Matthew Dowd and apologized for his "inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable" comments about Kirk.
https://www.editorandpublisher.com/stories/msnbc-apologizes-over-matthew-dowds-insensitive-on-air-comments-after-charlie-kirk,257678?
Fox News, meanwhile, is filled with hate-filled, anti-left screeds. It no doubt will reward those who are most hate-filled.
Again ... both sides.
Nonsense from you, once again.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 11:46:16 AMNonsense from you, once again.
You might find facts to be nonsense, but some of us don't.
It has begun
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/11/hbcus-lockdown-threats/86094019007/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 12:22:14 PMIt has begun
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/11/hbcus-lockdown-threats/86094019007/
Democratic activists as per usual
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 12:25:06 PMDemocratic activists as per usual
Nobody can claim the moral high ground. Nobody. America has never reconciled its original sin. And both sides exploit it to sow division.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 12:34:19 PMNobody can claim the moral high ground. Nobody. America has never reconciled its original sin. And both sides exploit it to sow division.
Indian burial grounds?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 12:22:14 PMIt has begun
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/09/11/hbcus-lockdown-threats/86094019007/
Thought this was gonna be about the whitewashing of his legacy.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 10:51:36 AMI routinely watch news/media from all sides of the spectrum to get an idea of what they are all saying. While there is always blame to be found on both sides, there is a decided difference in the tone and narrative of the different groups out there.
"We don't yet know what motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but this kind of despicable violence has no place in our democracy. Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight, especially his wife Erika and their two young children." Barack Obama
This horrific act is a reminder that political violence has no place in our society. Regardless of our beliefs or affiliations, resorting to violence to settle differences is never acceptable. Let's not retreat into silence or hatred, but rise above violence by recommitting ourselves to the democratic principles of civil engagement and mutual respect," Katie Hobbs, Democratic Governor of Arizona.
"Political violence has absolutely no place in our nation. All Americans should pray for Charlie Kirk's recovery and hold the entire UVU community in our hearts as they endure the trauma of this gun violence." Nancy Pelosi
"The scourge of gun violence and political violence must end. The shooting of Charlie Kirk is the latest incident of this chaos and it must stop. We cannot go down this road." AOC
"For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie Kirk to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals. This type of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now." Donald J. Trump
"They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it or not. What are we gonna do about it" Jesse Watters, Foxnews.
"Charlie Kirk is a casualty of war. We are at war in this country. We are." Steve Bannon.
"If they won't leave us in peace, then our choice is to fight or die" Elon Musk
"We are up against demonic forces from the pit of Hell. This is existential. A fight for our own existence and the existence of our country." Matt Walsh, political commentator.
See any differences? And remember, we don't know who did this or why yet.
Also, I'm out of this conversation. There is not going to be productive conversation here, which is part of the problem and part of why we are at this point in our society.
This is perfect. And proves that you reap what you sow.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 11, 2025, 10:53:48 AM#fakenews #lies Jay bee's trying to lie about what Kirk said literally on video.
I think the technicality is that he referred to the scripture passage that says this rather than actually saying those words.
Wasn't the assassin of Minnesota politicians and their families recently brought onto Glenn Beck's "The Blaze" to try and victim blame?
Oh right yes
https://www.theblaze.com/news/exclusive-assassination-suspect-vance-boelter-tells-stunning-inside-story-about-shooting
Anybody know anything about the logo on the suspect's shirt? It appears to be a flag and an eagle. Does it represent anything particular or any organization?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0k6dZTWcAAlFlD?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on September 11, 2025, 02:37:32 PMAnybody know anything about the logo on the suspect's shirt? It appears to be a flag and an eagle. Does it represent anything particular or any organization?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0k6dZTWcAAlFlD?format=jpg&name=small)
Apparently its pretty common.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/116614885310
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on September 11, 2025, 02:37:32 PMAnybody know anything about the logo on the suspect's shirt? It appears to be a flag and an eagle. Does it represent anything particular or any organization?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G0k6dZTWcAAlFlD?format=jpg&name=small)
Trans?
Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
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Higgins said that any social media accounts from people who "ran their mouths with their smartass hatred, celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man" must come down.
The Louisiana Republican also demanded that any users who posted those "belittling" posts be "banned from ALL PLATFORMS FOREVER."
But Higgins wasn't finished.
"I'm also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination," he wrote.
So, yeah let's fire Matthew Dowd. ;D ;D ;D
Oh crap! He'll be coming for scoopers next.
They pulled a Diane Feinstein with the Nightstalker!!
https://bsky.app/profile/audacityofdespair.bsky.social/post/3lylaexd2tk2u
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 02:50:17 PMRep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
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Higgins said that any social media accounts from people who "ran their mouths with their smartass hatred, celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man" must come down.
The Louisiana Republican also demanded that any users who posted those "belittling" posts be "banned from ALL PLATFORMS FOREVER."
But Higgins wasn't finished.
"I'm also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination," he wrote.
Cool. Next do the same for posts about the Pelosi attack.
Also, he and others like him were losing their shyte because Twitter banned racist and other hate talk. Now, of course, X is a cesspool of racism, homophobia, etc.
(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2025/09/11/USAT/86093580007-charlie-kirk-familyt-01.jpg?width=457&height=610&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
"Kirk was asked by a (somewhat scornful) college student: "Why are you here?" Kirk responded: "OK, I've been asked that question a lot. First of all, the question should not even have to be asked. But when people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group. . . . What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have a reasonable disagreement, where violence is not an option."
"politicians are saying all the usual things now—decrying political violence, sending out prayers. Just as they did after the first assassination attempt against Donald Trump. And the second one. And the shooting of Steve Scalise. And of Gabby Giffords. And the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. And the attempt on Justice Brett Kavanaugh's life. And the slaying of a Minnesota state legislator and her husband. And the murder of two staffers of the Israel Embassy. And the arson attacks against the Pennsylvania governor's mansion and the New Mexico Republican Party headquarters."
"The good behavior lasts a day or a week. This editorial page has frequently emphasized the importance of civil and societal guardrails. Those are built from the top. A nation that sees its leaders respectfully debate each other's ideas, invite opposing views, and seek to persuade will rightly assume that to be the correct way to hash out political disagreements. A nation that sees its leaders vilify opponents, blame individuals (rather than their policies) for problems, and spew rage and tantrums will understandably assume that it's acceptable to treat anyone who disagrees with them with contempt."
Worse, a nation that hears its leaders darkly warn on a daily basis that their political opponents are hell-bent on imposing tyranny is more liable to justify any action in response. And a media that has made a business model out of amplifying the showboats, mouth-offs and provocateurs—rather than giving attention to serious players—only eggs it all on."
Excerpt from Kimberley A Strassel editorial WSJ
You're all now thinking, 'see she's talking about Trump taking the temperature up three notches every time he opens his mouth'. However...
"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Joseph Robinette Biden
Think your side is with the angels? Think again.
When everything is existential, nothing is debatable.
You are welcome to disagree with Kirk's views on the 2nd amendment, abortion, trans rights, and any other idea out there, but his views don't make him a nazi, fascist who needs or deserves to be silenced. Speech IS NOT violence. The only acceptable solution to speech you don't like is more speech.
Either that or go back to Blue Sky where everyone agrees with you...
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 03:24:31 PM(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2025/09/11/USAT/86093580007-charlie-kirk-familyt-01.jpg?width=457&height=610&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Quote from: Blackhat on September 10, 2025, 09:58:32 PMDamn I wasn't totally sure yet but this place is really a hellhole. Enjoy your trannies and assassins. I'm out
It is an indisputable truth on Scoop that those who claim they're leaving, never actually leave.
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 02:50:17 PMRep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
Where was this energy when Charlie Kirk belittled a grade school getting shot up?
Quote from: nwestpha on September 11, 2025, 03:38:34 PMYou're all now thinking, 'see she's talking about Trump taking the temperature up three notches every time he opens his mouth'. However...
"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Joseph Robinette Biden
Think your side is with the angels? Think again.
I don't think there is a single person here who thinks that Democrats, or whatever you want to call the other "side," are blameless.
Quote from: nwestpha on September 11, 2025, 03:38:34 PM"Kirk was asked by a (somewhat scornful) college student: "Why are you here?" Kirk responded: "OK, I've been asked that question a lot. First of all, the question should not even have to be asked. But when people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group. . . . What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have a reasonable disagreement, where violence is not an option."
"politicians are saying all the usual things now—decrying political violence, sending out prayers. Just as they did after the first assassination attempt against Donald Trump. And the second one. And the shooting of Steve Scalise. And of Gabby Giffords. And the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband. And the attempt on Justice Brett Kavanaugh's life. And the slaying of a Minnesota state legislator and her husband. And the murder of two staffers of the Israel Embassy. And the arson attacks against the Pennsylvania governor's mansion and the New Mexico Republican Party headquarters."
"The good behavior lasts a day or a week. This editorial page has frequently emphasized the importance of civil and societal guardrails. Those are built from the top. A nation that sees its leaders respectfully debate each other's ideas, invite opposing views, and seek to persuade will rightly assume that to be the correct way to hash out political disagreements. A nation that sees its leaders vilify opponents, blame individuals (rather than their policies) for problems, and spew rage and tantrums will understandably assume that it's acceptable to treat anyone who disagrees with them with contempt."
Worse, a nation that hears its leaders darkly warn on a daily basis that their political opponents are hell-bent on imposing tyranny is more liable to justify any action in response. And a media that has made a business model out of amplifying the showboats, mouth-offs and provocateurs—rather than giving attention to serious players—only eggs it all on."
Excerpt from Kimberley A Strassel editorial WSJ
You're all now thinking, 'see she's talking about Trump taking the temperature up three notches every time he opens his mouth'. However...
"Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our Republic," Joseph Robinette Biden
Think your side is with the angels? Think again.
When everything is existential, nothing is debatable.
You are welcome to disagree with Kirk's views on the 2nd amendment, abortion, trans rights, and any other idea out there, but his views don't make him a nazi, fascist who needs or deserves to be silenced. Speech IS NOT violence. The only acceptable solution to speech you don't like is more speech.
Either that or go back to Blue Sky where everyone agrees with you...
"MLK was awful," Kirk said. "He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe."
"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more."
" Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge"
"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different."
" There is no separation of church and state. It's a fabrication, it's a fiction, it's not in the constitution. It's made up by secular humanists."
He was an outrage-stoking, race-baiting, white nationalist-flirting blowhard who should not have met a tragic end like this and I hope his loved ones get the love and support they need to heal.
But for F***s sake spare me the martyrdom
I will also point out, likley in vain, that a bunch of people are jumping to conclusions about the motivations of the alleged assailant even though we have no idea who he is!!
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:13:17 PMI will also point out, likley in vain, that a bunch of people are jumping to conclusions about the motivations of the alleged assailant even though we have no idea who he is!!
The WSJ reporting a leaked memo saying the bullets had Antifa and trans ideologies on them and then the New York times refuting that a couple hours later is about as good as a representation of current affairs as any
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 04:16:13 PMThe WSJ reporting a leaked memo saying the bullets had Antifa and trans ideologies on them and then the New York times refuting that a couple hours later is about as good as a representation of current affairs as any
How do you put "trans ideologies" on a bullet?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:20:43 PMHow do you put "trans ideologies" on a bullet?
Mentally after earning a DDS
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 03:24:31 PM(https://www.usatoday.com/gcdn/authoring/authoring-images/2025/09/11/USAT/86093580007-charlie-kirk-familyt-01.jpg?width=457&height=610&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
I'd be more interested in pics of
innocent kids who lost their brothers and sisters.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 10, 2025, 05:11:33 PMCharlie Kirk heavily contributed to an environment of political violence that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. And earned a lot of money in the process.
So while I'm sorry that his children will grow up without their father, he helped to stoke the fires that ultimately consumed him.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:13:17 PMI will also point out, likley in vain, that a bunch of people are jumping to conclusions about the motivations of the alleged assailant even though we have no idea who he is!!
"...there were signs"
Absolutely psycho, you are.
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 04:44:26 PMI'd be more interested in pics of innocent kids who lost their brothers and sisters.
???
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 04:20:43 PMHow do you put "trans ideologies" on a bullet?
Picture of RuPaul?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 04:45:57 PM???
Yeah, wow - that didn't come out the way I meant it. :(
It was meant as 'spare me the warm and fuzzies' of Kirk. Innocent, murdered children came from loving families too.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 04:45:51 PM"...there were signs"
Absolutely psycho, you are.
Typical JB. First is wrong about implying something is inconsistent when it isn't. Second calls them names - likely to cover up the inadequacies above.
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 02:50:17 PMRep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) took to X on Thursday and vowed to "use Congressional authority and every influence with big tech platforms to mandate immediate ban for life of every post or commenter that belittled the assassination of Charlie Kirk."
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Higgins said that any social media accounts from people who "ran their mouths with their smartass hatred, celebrating the heinous murder of that beautiful young man" must come down.
The Louisiana Republican also demanded that any users who posted those "belittling" posts be "banned from ALL PLATFORMS FOREVER."
But Higgins wasn't finished.
"I'm also going after their business licenses and permitting, their businesses will be blacklisted aggressively, they should be kicked from every school, and their drivers licenses should be revoked. I'm basically going to cancel with extreme prejudice these evil, sick animals who celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination," he wrote.
So, yeah let's fire Matthew Dowd. ;D ;D ;D
Does that include all of the likes on X that Elon has hidden? Cuz if so I have some work to do
Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or freedom of the press....
A reminder that we are a constitutional republic. At least on paper.
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 06:10:25 PMCongress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech, or freedom of the press....
A reminder that we are a constitutional republic. At least on paper.
They will just file baseless lawsuits or threaten legislation until the tech companies give in like they've done to colleges, media, law firms, etc.
Nice tech platform you got there. Be a shame if something happened to it.
9/10 will soon be a national holiday. 9/11? Don't waste time on unimportant stuff like that. Amazing the absolute deification of a hyper partisan political hack and grifter.
Such was the regard for Kirk within the White House that Vice President JD Vance dropped plans to attend the 9/11 memorial in New York on Thursday so he could instead fly to Utah to be with Kirk's family and fly his remains home to Arizona on Air Force 2.
Trump also paid tribute to Kirk during a speech at the Pentagon, announcing that the 31-year-old father would be posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the United States.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 03:50:42 PMIt is an indisputable truth on Scoop that those who claim they're leaving, never actually leave.
Why didn't the mods ban this transphobe?
(https://d.latintimes.com/en/full/583361/charlie-kirk-family-wife-erika-frantzve-children.jpg?w=1600&h=1600&q=88&f=90875c9a34aa8f44c20e1d3d3ab86342)
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 03:59:34 PMWhere was this energy when Charlie Kirk belittled a grade school getting shot up?
Freedom of speech isn't what they care about.
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Charlie said this little girl's death was worth it to keep the second amendment.
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:37:43 PMCharlie said this little girl's death was worth it to keep the second amendment.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/28/00/69180839-11908753-image-a-8_1679958458338.jpg)
If that kid was a right wing grifter, homophobe, racist and transphobe, there'd be more outrage
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Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 07:26:02 PM(https://d.latintimes.com/en/full/583361/charlie-kirk-family-wife-erika-frantzve-children.jpg?w=1600&h=1600&q=88&f=90875c9a34aa8f44c20e1d3d3ab86342)
We all took you up on your offer to leave, bud
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 07:39:59 PMWe all took you up on your offer to leave, bud
I don't see what the big deal is. He's with his best friend Jesus now
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:37:43 PMCharlie said this little girl's death was worth it to keep the second amendment.
He absolutely did not say that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 11, 2025, 07:04:29 PMTrump also paid tribute to Kirk during a speech at the Pentagon, announcing that the 31-year-old father would be posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the United States.
Poor Rudy. He only got a brief moment of glory as another deserving Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient until having to share the spotlight with Kirk.
https://cognitivedissident.substack.com/p/charlie-kirk-31-shot-dead-in-utah
"But understanding the irony is not the same as endorsing the act. Recognizing the karmic symmetry does not mean cheering it. What it means is this: when cruelty is normalized, when violence is rationalized, when deaths are rendered acceptable by ideology, eventually the logic boomerangs.
That is the lesson here, the harsh and unsentimental truth. You cannot unleash a culture of violence, bless it as liberty, and then feign shock when it arrives at your own doorstep. The Second Amendment, as interpreted by Kirk and his allies, does not discriminate. It devours indiscriminately.
That is the justice of it. Not divine, not poetic — merely inevitable."
(https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Turning-Point-USA-Founder-Charlie-Kirk-s-Wife-Shared-Bible-Verse-Hours-Before-His-Death-006.jpg?crop=210px%2C406px%2C1155px%2C653px&resize=1200%2C675&quality=40&strip=all)
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:43:08 PMHe absolutely did not say that.
"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:46:43 PM"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
He died like he lived.
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"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:46:43 PM"I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."
Yes, that's what he said — not what you said.
Do you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Lots of twisting of words and taking quotes out of context (not talking about you except in this example).
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 07:46:30 PM(https://www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Turning-Point-USA-Founder-Charlie-Kirk-s-Wife-Shared-Bible-Verse-Hours-Before-His-Death-006.jpg?crop=210px%2C406px%2C1155px%2C653px&resize=1200%2C675&quality=40&strip=all)
Gotta say he looks much happier than he did yesterday
Worth it.
If your son or daughter or mother or brother or girlfriend died from gun violence, it was worth it to Charlie Kirk.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 07:41:58 PMI don't see what the big deal is. He's with his best friend Jesus now
I kinda doubt it.
The latest Colorado high school shooter is reported to be 'radicalized by extremist groups'.
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Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:49:57 PMYes, that's what he said — not what you said.
Do you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Lots of twisting of words and taking quotes out of context (not talking about you except in this example).
He literally said this after a school shooting. No words have been twisted.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 07:50:55 PMI kinda doubt it.
Well, of course not. But all these Christians that tell us it's gods will seem peeved at the left instead of god
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 07:51:55 PMThe latest Colorado high school shooter is reported to be 'radicalized by extremist groups'.
Weird, wonder what groups
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 07:41:58 PMI don't see what the big deal is. He's with his best friend Jesus now
Hanging with Ashli Babbitt probably
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:49:57 PMDo you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Driving a car is a necessity for society to function. Being able to own an assault weapon is not.
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"Reject feminism, submit to your husband, Taylor," Charlie Kirk told Swift on his show, before warning her, "You're not in charge."
I wonder how much domestic assault (which Trump said is fine) was part of the submission.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:53:05 PMHe literally said this after a school shooting. No words have been twisted.
Have you seen the video or heard the audio from that which you're speaking about?
Those words were in the context of there being no chance of ZERO gun deaths. ZERO. Not 'well, the level we have is fine'.. or 'whatever, yeah, great people will die it's cool'.. it was.. 'I don't think getting to zero gun deaths is possible. That's unfortunate.'
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Not sure what your angle is here, I'm 75% sure she doesn't read scoop
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This!
If I don't like what you say you should die.
Civilized place
I am going to honor his wishes and diminish my empathy. It is a made up, new age term that does a lot of damage.
What amuses me is that I have been criticizing the so called Christians saying that too much empathy is a sin without knowing that Kirk thought that.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:01:30 PMIf I don't like what you say you should die.
Civilized place
I'm honoring his memory by lacking empathy
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Less happy here. Must be the 2nd place baseball team.
This place is ten guys of evil at its core
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Scoop needs a five point plan
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And here everyone thought you "were out."
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
But the dentists went away a months ago.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Does Netanyahu post here?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Man, Charlie sure knows how to generate a killer rate of return.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 11, 2025, 07:58:13 PM"Reject feminism, submit to your husband, Taylor," Charlie Kirk told Swift on his show, before warning her, "You're not in charge."
I wonder how much domestic assault (which Trump said is fine) was part of the submission.
Have you seen this video or heard the audio?
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters. Joking/laughing as you're wrapping up a fake rant on Taylor becoming conservative in the future ... c'mon bud.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:05:11 PMDoes Netanyahu post here?
9 of them are in underground Hamas tunnels
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMIf I post his wife enough times on a Catholic university's basketball forum maybe she will notice me...
I mean go for it I guess
There's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 07:59:32 PMNot sure what your angle is here, I'm 75% sure she doesn't read scoop
She's available though.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
They have his face?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 07:57:27 PMDriving a car is a necessity for society to function. Being able to own an assault weapon is not.
Oh. So, there was never a functioning society until the last two hundreds years?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
They're freaked out you're taking pictures of them?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:59:06 PMHave you seen the video or heard the audio from that which you're speaking about?
Those words were in the context of there being no chance of ZERO gun deaths. ZERO. Not 'well, the level we have is fine'.. or 'whatever, yeah, great people will die it's cool'.. it was.. 'I don't think getting to zero gun deaths is possible. That's unfortunate.'
Here's the full quote.
"Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
MAGA has identified the true culprit.
In the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination, some conservatives are pointing fingers at South Park for mocking the conservative thought leader in a recent episode.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/south-park-charlie-kirk-maga-1236368149/
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:05:45 PMHave you seen this video or heard the audio?
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters. Joking/laughing as you're wrapping up a fake rant on Taylor becoming conservative in the future ... c'mon bud.
I don't have access to an LLM - can you help me better understand the context
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
So Nick Fuentes didn't target them?
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POV Charlie yesterday when he came to?
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Charlie looks much happier here
Good night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
Thanks, transphobe
Is too much empathy bad?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
Don't assume my gender, bigot
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
So you'll post 36 more pictures of the dude tonight then. Can't wait!
Quote from: tower912 on September 11, 2025, 08:11:50 PMIs too much empathy bad?
Having empathy despite the significant detrimental shortcomings of someone seems to result in further whining with the goal of only being satisfied until you are crying and groveling in complete submission at their feet.
So yeah, apparently
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 08:09:02 PMHere's the full quote.
"Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
Less context please
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:11:08 PMGood night gentlemen. You seem on a good path
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Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 11, 2025, 08:09:02 PMHere's the full quote.
"Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
Yes. And fully notes we should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, and gives ideas on how to do so, including armed guards at schools.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:19:42 PMYes. And fully notes we should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, and gives ideas on how to do so, including armed guards at schools.
As long as they're not black
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:21:32 PMAs long as they're not black
If they'd live in bigger houses with higher property taxes they could get them
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 08:22:25 PMIf they'd live in bigger houses with higher property taxes they could get them
Not in my neighborhood, I hope
Why can't we just teach AI to be an armed elementary school security guard
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:21:32 PMAs long as they're not black
Whenever I see a black cop I think, "Boy, I sure hope he's qualified."
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:19:42 PMYes. And fully notes we should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, and gives ideas on how to do so, including armed guards at schools.
He does say that. But it doesn't change he's saying gun deaths are worth it to keep the second amendment in response to a question about a recent school shooting.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2025, 08:24:55 PMWhenever I see a black cop I think, "Boy, I sure hope he's qualified."
George Floyd was a father, too, but he deserved to die
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 08:23:32 PMWhy can't we just teach AI to be an armed elementary school security guard
Will get smart, hide, and be 20 minutes late to the party like at Parkland
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:26:07 PMGeorge Floyd was a father, too, but he deserved to die
Please post more pictures of him so we know how much you care about him
https://bsky.app/profile/newsguy.bsky.social/post/3lylygpp6hz2t
Hey, Muggsy-
Care to comment?
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:06:59 PMThere's a reason Charlie's kids faces are shown away every pic. I'll let you heathens figure out why
Well, his team already had decided that pedophiles are OK now, so it couldn't be that.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 08:02:50 PMThis place is ten guys of evil at its core
Says the guy that said enjoy your trannies. Fu*k all the way off.
Charlie Kirk should still be alive. He certainly shouldn't be celebrated. He was an objectively awful human being. Why?
-He consistently attacks marginalized groups
-Said Paul Pelosi's attempted murderer should be bailed out by a "patriot"
-Said all trans people are abominations
-Said we should have full military occupation of liberal cities
-Said kids should watch public executions
-Said Michelle Obama was a result of affirmative action and a DEI hire
-Said he would force his daughter to carry a pregnancy to term if she was raped
-Said women should be subservient to men
I could go on and on and on and on and on
And the utter hypocrisy of the right is something to behold as I certainly saw their responses (or lack thereof) when Melissa Hortman was killed and John Hoffman was shot, when Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer, at countless school shootings (unless the shooter was trans).
Spare me.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 08:27:21 PMPlease post more pictures of him so we know how much you care about him
Don't you mean his girlfriend
Is it more embarrassing to be demanding everyone be more sad about podcaster Charlie Kirk or being actually torn up and distraught about podcaster Charlie Kirk
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:26:07 PMGeorge Floyd was a father, too, but he deserved to die
And apparently after his death, instead of mourning him, some decided to call him a "scumbag".
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 09:23:51 PMAnd apparently after his death, instead of mourning him, some decided to call him a "scumbag".
He wa black so that's ok
Charlie was more of a "traditional"
Could he dunk?
Conspiracy theories out there on this shooting are crazy right now.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 10:33:50 PMConspiracy theories out there on this shooting are crazy right now.
Netanyahu almost certainly is involved
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 10:34:42 PMBut how's his neck
Small sample size but he's no pogo stick
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 10:34:58 PMNetanyahu almost certainly is involved
You jest, but apparently there are a bunch of conspiracy theories out there saying he is.
And note: I don't believe any of these conspiracy theories, but they are fun to read and see how people twist logic together to frame what they think is a slam dunk case full of evidence.
Honestly if a foreign adversary wanted to really stir up crap here they'd target prominent figures on both sides right now.
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 10:48:18 PMAnd note: I don't believe any of these conspiracy theories
Sheep!
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Do not lose faith in the sanctity of life for everyone else. These ten men are models of how to not live your lives
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 11:25:26 PMDo not lose faith in the sanctity of life for everyone else. These ten men are models of how to not live your lives
You've convinced me, Im changing my ways to the ideal model. I'm gonna come back in four years and lob a slur at you that hasn't even been invented yet.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:05:45 PMHave you seen this video or heard the audio?
Looking at just those words, I can see why people who want to would quickly take it out of context. But, context matters. Joking/laughing as you're wrapping up a fake rant on Taylor becoming conservative in the future ... c'mon bud.
They're akways joking...
Quote from: Butt Johnson on September 12, 2025, 12:26:44 AMYou've convinced me, Im changing my ways to the ideal model. I'm gonna come back in four years and lob a slur at you that hasn't even been invented yet.
Blackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:35:16 AMBlackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
lol
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:49:32 AMIt's no laughing matter. He's no longer with us.
Just like Joe Lieberman ☹️
Quote from: Butt Johnson on September 11, 2025, 08:13:51 PMHaving empathy despite the significant detrimental shortcomings of someone seems to result in further whining with the goal of only being satisfied until you are crying and groveling in complete submission at their feet.
So yeah, apparently
Tell Jesus.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:35:16 AMBlackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
Farty Eight Hours?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 07:49:57 PMYes, that's what he said — not what you said.
Do you think it's worth the cost of some* level of car accident deaths, so that we can continue to drive? If yes, are you cool with kids dying in car accidents? Of course not.
Lots of twisting of words and taking quotes out of context (not talking about you except in this example).
This is not the great argument you may think it is. Reconsider.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 11, 2025, 08:07:58 PMOh. So, there was never a functioning society until the last two hundreds years?
You can't possibly actually think this this argument makes sense. Are you thinking, 'Sure if I ignore modern city planning, timeline expectations, logistics, expected sitabce traveled, the fact that people need to travel more in their standard day to day life, etc then this is an equivalency' gun necessity has diminished with the access to farmed meat, and advancement of military to a level that an armed citizenry would be ineffective. Meanwhile cars have become a necessity for 90% of the United States that doesn't work remote and live in an extremely high density area of the US with great transit. Not to mention the fact that car ownership comes with insurance, drivers ed, consistent monitoring of your license when it expires to determine if you're fit to drive, and there's different license standards for various size vehicles, whereas your side is so up in arms (literally) about the 2nd amendment that any restriction like that and you all cry your eyes out.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 06:07:51 AMThis is not the great argument you may think it is. Reconsider.
Yeah. A car's sole purpose isn't to kill things.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 12, 2025, 07:33:47 AMYeah. A car's sole purpose isn't to kill things.
What do you mean? You never combed your hair with... your gun?
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 12, 2025, 07:33:47 AMYeah. A car's sole purpose isn't to kill things.
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Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 12, 2025, 01:35:16 AMBlackhat's other username was put on a temporary (7 day!) ban. So he decided to come back from the grave.
These guys sure are simplistic.
A little disappointed. That was fun.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2025, 07:45:59 AMA little disappointed. That was fun.
Kinda. I can't even keep people's main accounts straight, much less their alt accounts. I choose to believe it was hilltopper and rocky is staging a coup.
So I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 08:52:51 AMSo I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
I was really pulling for a trans suspect or black suspect. Disappointing to say the least
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 08:52:51 AMSo I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
I hope they got the right guy. I'm impressed they didn't shoot any of the suspects so far, tbh.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 11, 2025, 08:28:12 PMhttps://bsky.app/profile/newsguy.bsky.social/post/3lylygpp6hz2t
Hey, Muggsy-
Care to comment?
Muggsy - any comment?
My understanding is that the most serious charge he is facing is tossing his gun. I mean, killing someone is bad no doubt, but treating God's instrument of justice that way is simply intolerable.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 09:08:51 AMI hope they got the right guy. I'm impressed they didn't shoot any of the suspects so far, tbh.
I think they were all white, so that wasn't a real concern
Sandy Hook, Charleston, Buffalo, El Paso, Butler, Parkman and now Utah Valley.
It's time we considered banning firearm possession for white males between the ages of 18 and 25.
I think Tower's initial reaction about who this shooter was will be spot on
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 08:52:51 AMSo I guess the guy they arrested was a 22 year old named Tyler. White, not trans.
My guess is 20% of 22 year olds in Utah are named Tyler.
Seemingly, the 'trans' and anti fascist things 'etched' on the casings were merely the stamping from the manufacturer.
Whomever divulged this information this put people in danger and should not be employed any law enforcement agency.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 09:33:35 AMSeemingly, the 'trans' and anti fascist things 'etched' on the casings were merely the stamping from the manufacturer.
Whomever divulged this information this put people in danger and should not be employed any law enforcement agency.
The morons in charge of the FBI have been purging the best and brightest to bring in the weak and servile. Real DEI
Very normal.
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1966506686367047791
One interesting piece of fallout from this event is how many people were "canceled" over it and lost their jobs as a result of a post they made. On the other end of that, some people were misidentified as being involved which severely negatively impacts their and their families lives for the foreseeable future. Not seeing any benefit to having a public social media profile unless for personal branding purposes that are directly for business or for career networking or something along those lines.
Also, I don't really get the obsession with keeping score on which "side" is committing more of these acts than others. There's usually a lot of gray area in every instance and you'll easily be able to be find "trusted sources" that will tell you what you want to hear one way or the other. MSNBC, a trusted and established news network, said on air that it may have just been an accident from a supporter during celebration. Or maybe that clip was fake and was AI. Hard to tell these days and it takes a lot of mental energy to parse through what is real and what is not. Most of the time, it's not worth trying.
They've arrested 22-year-old Tyler Robinson for the shooting. Based on initial reports, he came from a Mormon family, his dad is a pastor & was in law enforcement. Robinson once wore a Donald Trump related costume for Halloween. Public records show he was not registered to a political party.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 12, 2025, 09:47:45 AMThey've arrested 22-year-old Tyler Robinson for the shooting. Based on initial reports, he came from a Mormon family, his dad is a pastor & was in law enforcement. Robinson once wore a Donald Trump related costume for Halloween. Public records show he was not registered to a political party.
Both parents are registered republicans.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 09:33:35 AMSeemingly, the 'trans' and anti fascist things 'etched' on the casings were merely the stamping from the manufacturer.
Whomever divulged this information this put people in danger and should not be employed any law enforcement agency.
But they are perfect for a cabinet position
Quote from: CountryRoads on September 12, 2025, 09:42:45 AMOne interesting piece of fallout from this event is how many people were "canceled" over it and lost their jobs as a result of a post they made. On the other end of that, some people were misidentified as being involved which severely negatively impacts their and their families lives for the foreseeable future. Not seeing any benefit to having a public social media profile unless for personal branding purposes that are directly for business or for career networking or something along those lines.
Also, I don't really get the obsession with keeping score on which "side" is committing more of these acts than others. There's usually a lot of gray area in every instance and you'll easily be able to be find "trusted sources" that will tell you what you want to hear one way or the other. MSNBC, a trusted and established news network, said on air that it may have just been an accident from a supporter during celebration. Or maybe that clip was fake and was AI. Hard to tell these days and it takes a lot of mental energy to parse through what is real and what is not. Most of the time, it's not worth trying.
Because violent crime data is important
Quote from: CountryRoads on September 12, 2025, 09:42:45 AMAlso, I don't really get the obsession with keeping score on which "side" is committing more of these acts than others.
Because:
1) One side is responsible for a large majority of domestic terrorism, per the statistics, and 2) that same side screeched "This is War!" before a single fact was known.
If these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
Quote from: Butt Johnson on September 11, 2025, 08:57:49 PMIs it more embarrassing to be demanding everyone be more sad about podcaster Charlie Kirk or being actually torn up and distraught about podcaster Charlie Kirk
It's understandable. Kirk hated the same people Black Hat hates.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 10:01:31 AMIf these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
And the fact we have institutions going out of the way to praise Kirk, give him moments of silence at football games, fly flags at half staff, etc. is just downright embarrassing.
Quote from: Blackhat on September 11, 2025, 11:14:58 PMhttps://media1.tenor.com/m/olnkZI1dcQQAAAAC/arrested-development-david-cross.gif (https://media1.tenor.com/m/olnkZI1dcQQAAAAC/arrested-development-david-cross.gif)
Guy who says he's "out," only to come back and post a bunch of family photos of a guy he's never met, then to say "goodnight" to everyone, continues to post despite not being smart enough to post an actual GIF and has to post a link.
Hope you slept well!
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 11, 2025, 05:20:24 AMAre we coming together yet?
I'm sure the irony is lost on every single person in the attachment jesmu84 included in the post above.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 12, 2025, 10:25:30 AMGuy who says he's "out," only to come back and post a bunch of family photos of a guy he's never met, then to say "goodnight" to everyone, continues to post despite not being smart enough to post an actual GIF and has to post a link.
Hope you slept well!
And who was other user name was banned.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 10:40:58 AMAnd who was other user name was banned.
Yeah I was catching up on this thread and responded before I saw that information. The internet really drags people in doesn't it?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 10:01:31 AMIf these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
First things I've seen suggest this is a guy who may be nominally "right wing" but is more likely a terminally-online-brain-poison guy. References are the types that will make sense to people only if they're plugged into very very strange corners of the internet, just like the school shooter with all the stuff written on the gun. Those messages are indicative more of the Terrorgram/nihilistic-terrorist axis than the dedicated political actor axis of killer.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 12, 2025, 10:47:58 AMFirst things I've seen suggest this is a guy who may be nominally "right wing" but is more likely a terminally-online-brain-poison guy. References are the types that will make sense to people only if they're plugged into very very strange corners of the internet, just like the school shooter with all the stuff written on the gun. Those messages are indicative more of the Terrorgram/nihilistic-terrorist axis than the dedicated political actor axis of killer.
Yeah, to me it reeks of nihilist behavior akin to quite a few of the recent shooters.
But instead of deciding whose side this kid was on, a lot of people made assumptions. Shame on them.
Having said that, I'll wait for the trove of information that is likely being dug up as we type, to be released.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 10:01:31 AMIf these details are true, could see this getting brushed under the rug quicker than the Trump shooter.
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1966527303724278261
This is what leadership looks like...
Asked on Fox & Friends how people from the left and right could ever unite in view of the nation's deep divisions, Trump replied: "I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-backs-extreme-right-in-charlie-kirk-rant-on-fox-friends/
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 11:06:56 AMYeah, to me it reeks of nihilist behavior akin to quite a few of the recent shooters.
But instead of deciding whose side this kid was on, a lot of people made assumptions. Shame on them.
Having said that, I'll wait for the trove of information that is likely being dug up as we type, to be released.
People really aren't ready to delve into the whole influence of the Terrorgram Collective and similar nihilism-black-pill-thought on modern mass-shooter motivations. And, frankly, trying to explain it to someone is functionally impossible without looking like Charlie Day doing a "pepe silvia." I cannot imagine under any circumstance any "mainstream" media outlet doing even a passable job at explaining it.
That's why you get all of the ideology of the mass-shooters flattened to "mental illness" and then they leave it at that.
Trying to figure out what the reaction would have been had, say, Rachel Maddow been shot.
Flags at half-mast nationwide for sure, right?
Any comment, Muggsy?
https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3lynmzayrpk2b
If this person is tried and convicted in a court of law, I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent. However, the cynic in me thinks that as he is from a white bread republican background, this will end up as a murmur.
Quote from: MU82 on September 12, 2025, 11:51:36 AMTrying to figure out what the reaction would have been had, say, Rachel Maddow been shot.
Flags at half-mast nationwide for sure, right?
Conservative media would be at full mast
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 12, 2025, 09:47:45 AMThey've arrested 22-year-old Tyler Robinson for the shooting. Based on initial reports, he came from a Mormon family, his dad is a pastor & was in law enforcement. Robinson once wore a Donald Trump related costume for Halloween. Public records show he was not registered to a political party.
So far, the US corporate media is ignoring or downplaying them. If Robinson had a liberal background, any photo of him with a gun, much less a military machine gun and anti-tank weapon, would be plastered all over their digital front pages.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 12, 2025, 12:12:12 PMConservative media would be at full mast
Literally made me laugh out loud.
In Charlie's honor, I took a day off from empathy. I feel dirty and am now again following the teachings of Jesus. I should probably go to confession.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2025, 12:45:29 PMIi Charlie's honor, I took a day off from empathy. I feel dirty and am now again following the teachings of Jesus. I should probably go to confession.
According to that banned guy I can only guess your soul has been "converted to the devil" like mine. I don't follow religion that closely, but it seems like calling bad people out as bad people is a sin now.
I'm sure you can purchase an indulgence from your local parish to get out of it, but I'm not sure how that works. I asked my dealer, and they don't sell indulgences.
Helldivers 2, anti fascist song lyric, meme/joke
Messages on the bullets, at least the ones they've told us about
Quote from: jficke13 on September 12, 2025, 10:47:58 AMFirst things I've seen suggest this is a guy who may be nominally "right wing" but is more likely a terminally-online-brain-poison guy. References are the types that will make sense to people only if they're plugged into very very strange corners of the internet, just like the school shooter with all the stuff written on the gun. Those messages are indicative more of the Terrorgram/nihilistic-terrorist axis than the dedicated political actor axis of killer.
I was going to post a similar concept, and when I mentioned both his parents were Republicans it was an allusion to the fact that on its face, this appears to be kind of the poster child republican family. In normal times, as you mention, he would have likely grown up as a traditional republican.
But, there are these darker nihilism-black-pill areas of the youth, who see everything (and both sides) as part of the same problem and disassociate themselves from society and dive into the echo chambers of the internet to find like-minded people that also believe in these nihilistic views on society, which can lead to some being radicalized into extremist actions.
They aren't republican or democrat, because in general they hate them both as part of the problem.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 12, 2025, 12:57:08 PMHelldivers 2, anti fascist song lyric, meme/joke
Messages on the bullets, at least the ones they've told us about
In-universe Helldivers are fash but claim their enemies are fash. Bella Ciao is an Italian antifacist song that is weirdly big in the Nick Fuentes Righty "Groyper" circles.
Game reference + 2 *EXTREMELY* online references suggests less "this is an antifa assassin" and more "this is a brain poisoned online black pill who will not in any way have comprehensible politics that map onto the current spectrum"
Quote from: forgetful on September 12, 2025, 01:07:02 PMI was going to post a similar concept, and when I mentioned both his parents were Republicans it was an allusion to the fact that on its face, this appears to be kind of the poster child republican family. In normal times, as you mention, he would have likely grown up as a traditional republican.
But, there are these darker nihilism-black-pill areas of the youth, who see everything (and both sides) as part of the same problem and disassociate themselves from society and dive into the echo chambers of the internet to find like-minded people that also believe in these nihilistic views on society, which can lead to some being radicalized into extremist actions.
They aren't republican or democrat, because in general they hate them both as part of the problem.
Or an advocate of Nick Fuentes, who has had public disputes with both Trump and Kirk. But that is obviously speculation.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 01:44:51 PMOr an advocate of Nick Fuentes, who has had public disputes with both Trump and Kirk. But that is obviously speculation.
Gyropers
Family of gun nuts, who'd at thought.
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Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:09:23 PMFamily of gun nuts, who'd at thought.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/36/b1/SHDvxC2U_o.png) (http://"https://imgbox.com/SHDvxC2U")
Isn't his old man a pastor in the Mormon church?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 01:44:51 PMOr an advocate of Nick Fuentes, who has had public disputes with both Trump and Kirk. But that is obviously speculation.
It's not.
Quote from: jficke13 on September 12, 2025, 01:11:39 PMIn-universe Helldivers are fash but claim their enemies are fash. Bella Ciao is an Italian antifacist song that is weirdly big in the Nick Fuentes Righty "Groyper" circles.
Game reference + 2 *EXTREMELY* online references suggests less "this is an antifa assassin" and more "this is a brain poisoned online black pill who will not in any way have comprehensible politics that map onto the current spectrum"
Here's a bit of explanation on that
https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/new-the-messages-on-the-bullets-are
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:19:58 PMIt's not.
Yeah I guess that's been confirmed. I'm sure a bunch of people will reflect on this, apologize, and do better in the future.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 02:22:19 PMYeah I guess that's been confirmed. I'm sure a bunch of people will reflect on this, apologize, and do better in the future.
Tweets are being deleted faster than the speed of light, I imagine.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:23:13 PMTweets are being deleted faster than the speed of light, I imagine.
Doubtful. They'll double down, because to admit error is a weakness.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:24:34 PMDoubtful. They'll double down, because to admit error is a weakness.
That's the thing, if there is no tweet, there is no error to admit.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 02:11:33 PMIsn't his old man a pastor in the Mormon church?
I like him and his family. They support the obvious: Every American man, woman and child should own at least 10 assault rifles.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 10, 2025, 07:06:48 PMIt's ludicrous to think only conservatives are fomenting violence or engaging in violence or murder.
Huh.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:21:26 PMHere's a bit of explanation on that
https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/new-the-messages-on-the-bullets-are
Careful, mueller she wrote is a bit of a grifter tbh
Quote from: forgetful on September 12, 2025, 01:07:02 PMI was going to post a similar concept, and when I mentioned both his parents were Republicans it was an allusion to the fact that on its face, this appears to be kind of the poster child republican family. In normal times, as you mention, he would have likely grown up as a traditional republican.
But, there are these darker nihilism-black-pill areas of the youth, who see everything (and both sides) as part of the same problem and disassociate themselves from society and dive into the echo chambers of the internet to find like-minded people that also believe in these nihilistic views on society, which can lead to some being radicalized into extremist actions.
They aren't republican or democrat, because in general they hate them both as part of the problem.
I think this describes what you are talking about.
https://www.garbageday.email/p/charlie-kirk-was-killed-by-a-meme
Time for everyone to learn about another extremist alt-right group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The internet may have been a mistake
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 02:31:57 PMCareful, mueller she wrote is a bit of a grifter tbh
Correct. Unreliable and in it for the money
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 02:32:15 PMTime for everyone to learn about another extremist alt-right group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The internet may have been a mistake
As bad as Kirk was, Fuentes is Kirk on steroids.
An incel - and I am guessing it is not by choice
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 02:32:15 PMTime for everyone to learn about another extremist alt-right group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The internet may have been a mistake
Yep, a wake up call to any adult who doesn't monitor their child on the internet.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 02:31:57 PMCareful, mueller she wrote is a bit of a grifter tbh
I have no opinion on that one way or another, it's merely an explanation on where these phrases and symbols come from.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:42:21 PMYep, a wake up call to any adult who doesn't monitor their child on the internet.
Well easier said than done. Regardless, he was 22.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 02:44:53 PMWell easier said than done. Regardless, he was 22.
Yep, but the shooter in the Denver area yesterday was 16... I'll give you a guess as to what he was in to.
At least we were only raised by television... kids raised by the internet without any guidance from their parents? Oh boy.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 12, 2025, 02:46:22 PMYep, but the shooter in the Denver area yesterday was 16... I'll give you a guess as to what he was in to.
Being trans? Being not white? Using litter boxes in classrooms? Not enough jump shots from the elbow in gym class basketball?
Culled from a variety of public sources, here is the profile that is emerging about Tyler Robinson:
He is a 22-year-old white male with no criminal record. Social-media photos depicted him as the oldest of three sons in a tight-knit family. He lived at home with his parents, who are Mormons and registered Republicans. He is registered as unaffiliated, but he didn't vote in the most recent presidential election. Social-media posts showed him and other family members posing with guns. At a recent family dinner, he said he did not like Kirk's viewpoints. He reportedly had "anti-fascist" and homophobic messages written on bullet casings. He was a high achiever in high school and received a college scholarship but dropped out after one semester. He was into online gaming.
Think I mentioned this on the last one of our numerous shooting threads. Our society is not equipped to Handle the level of irony poisoning and apathy the youth generation has from the seeds that we have sown economically and socially for them.
Bomb and shooting threats all over America the last two days for completely unrelated parties. It's only gonna get worse as we drive their economic and social opportunity into the crapper
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 02:55:13 PMThink I mentioned this on the last one of our numerous shooting threads. Our society is not equipped to Handle the level of irony poisoning and apathy the youth generation has from the seeds that we have sown economically and socially for them.
Bomb and shooting threats all over America the last two days for completely unrelated parties. It's only gonna get worse as we drive their economic and social opportunity into the crapper
At least they aren't listening to rap anymore.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 03:01:16 PMAt least they aren't listening to rap anymore.
If white people could say the n-word, we'd probably not have school shootings
I picked the wrong day to re-embrace empathy.
Huh
https://bsky.app/profile/chrononaut.bsky.social/post/3lynrbkxi722u
Loomer deleted all her tweets about the shooting. Is it time to investigate her and Fuentes? I'm guessing I know the answer.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 12, 2025, 02:09:23 PMFamily of gun nuts, who'd at thought.
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Just a couple days ago he was a good guy with a gun.
Next up... clearly a false flag operation. He was actually a radical lefty playing the long con and only pretending to be a groyper.
I think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
Anyway, have a good weekend everyone and I look forward to your takes on MU as we enter this 2025-26 season (except the bad takes, which most of posts are).
Cried more today than I have in a long time. Granted, it was at the funeral of my high school buddy, but a stark reminder of some things. Best to all, Scoopers. I'm drained (pawz).
PS - had never heard of 'groyper' but first read it as 'gyroper' and thought it was for fanatics of a good gyro, which I'd be totally into. Oakland gyros and Marquette gyros were two favorites.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2025, 03:34:56 PMI think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
Anyway, have a good weekend everyone and I look forward to your takes on MU as we enter this 2025-26 season (except the bad takes, which most of posts are).
Cried more today than I have in a long time. Granted, it was at the funeral of my high school buddy, but a stark reminder of some things. Best to all, Scoopers. I'm drained (pawz).
PS - had never heard of 'groyper' but first read it as 'gyroper' and thought it was for fanatics of a good gyro, which I'd be totally into. Oakland gyros and Marquette gyros were two favorites.
Sorry for your loss
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2025, 03:34:56 PMI think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
What about people who've had their head smashed in by a hammer? It's OK to make jokes about them, right?
Asking for a friend.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 12, 2025, 03:34:56 PMI think 'sides' are so split it's almost silly to try to discuss and persuade. While I think many of you are batsh1t crazy, I appreciate those of you who love MU basketball and I'll focus on that. I don't need you to think the same as me (your loss - I'm Righteous). But, I do think celebrating / making jokes about someone who just got their neck blasted is disgusting and disgraceful.
Anyway, have a good weekend everyone and I look forward to your takes on MU as we enter this 2025-26 season (except the bad takes, which most of posts are).
Cried more today than I have in a long time. Granted, it was at the funeral of my high school buddy, but a stark reminder of some things. Best to all, Scoopers. I'm drained (pawz).
PS - had never heard of 'groyper' but first read it as 'gyroper' and thought it was for fanatics of a good gyro, which I'd be totally into. Oakland gyros and Marquette gyros were two favorites.
Take it easy, JB. Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss, Jay Bee.
Find your peace (not piece), JB
Always difficult to lose a close friend or loved one. Peace, JB.
That's odd. Wonder what changed.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 03:56:35 PMThat's odd. Wonder what changed.
I've noticed my social media is a bit quieter today.
Someone is very, very worried.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/b6/f1/iyXt9MKW_o.png) (http://"https://imgbox.com/iyXt9MKW")
The right-wingers that screamed "This is War!" and "jail all Democrats" can unnatural carnal knowledge off, keep fucking off, and never stop fucking off.
Also, is this the time to take up the gun legislation that 70% of the country wants? Or is it still too early?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 12, 2025, 03:56:35 PMThat's odd. Wonder what changed.
Now that she knows he's a young white man from a solid, Republican, gun-loving family, I guess she has determined that prayers are more appropriate than the death penalty.
Yeah....awkward....
The civil war is cancelled due to the shooter's demographics being inconvenient
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 12, 2025, 04:23:25 PMThe civil war is cancelled due to the shooter's demographics being inconvenient
Please rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
lol
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
Charlie, the hatemonger who espoused violent rhetoric but wasn't far enough right for some dudes like Fuentes, proposed we all live in peace and harmony? Fuckin lol
Edit: Translating that for Zoomers, "💀"
So, is it finally time, at long last, to deport all Mormons?
Wellsstreetwanderer, I am glad you are here and brought this up. For those of us who don't usually pay attention to young, conservative influencers, can you help explain the nuance between Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes? And why a (possible)Fuentes acolyte would deem it appropriate to shoot Charlie Kirk? Thanks.
Quote from: tower912 on September 12, 2025, 04:55:33 PMWellsstreetwanderer, I am glad you are here and brought this up. For those of us who don't usually pay attention to young, conservative influencers, can you help explain the nuance between Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes? And why a (possible)Fuentes acolyte would deem it appropriate to shoot Charlie Kirk? Thanks.
lol
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
teal?
Asked Friday on "Fox & Friends" how Americans can "come back together" to "fix this country" after the fatal shooting in Utah on Wednesday that conservatives have blamed on Democrats and the media, Trump appeared wholly disinterested in any semblance of reconciliation.
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"I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less," he said.
Quote from: Jockey on September 12, 2025, 05:43:53 PMAsked Friday on "Fox & Friends" how Americans can "come back together" to "fix this country" after the fatal shooting in Utah on Wednesday that conservatives have blamed on Democrats and the media, Trump appeared wholly disinterested in any semblance of reconciliation.
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"I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less," he said.
Muggsy, care to comment?
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on September 12, 2025, 04:38:41 PMPlease rethink your remark. The shooter's demographics are obvious. George Carlin once remarked how they always assassinate those who , like Charlie, propose we all live in peace and harmony: Jesus, Ghandi, MLK,Kennedys ...
WWG1WGA
Is there some kind of Mormon merit badge for teaching your kids to shoot straight?
Quote from: Jockey on September 12, 2025, 06:01:07 PMIs there some kind of Mormon merit badge for teaching your kids to shoot straight?
This is a worthwhile post. Thank you for posing the question.
Been offline at a golf outing all day, did they cancel the civil war?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 05:45:12 PMMuggsy, care to comment?
He's been uncharacteristically quiet. Maybe he's on another vacation.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 05:45:12 PMMuggsy, care to comment?
Not mug but I'm shocked he actually got the phase correct.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 12, 2025, 07:14:45 PMHe's been uncharacteristically quiet. Maybe he's on another vacation.
He can't comprehend the truth. Like usual
WSJ seemed certain this was a cut and dry case. Now they're stunned the guy that committed the crime was capable of this.
Certain it was transgender shooter and now it's a white guy from a stable, gun-loving family and can't figure out how it happened.
Both sides, Muggsy.
Quote from: Jockey on September 12, 2025, 04:52:31 PMSo, is it finally time, at long last, to deport all Mormons?
Ban them from owning guns.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 12, 2025, 09:50:51 PMBan them from owning guns.
Joseph Smith was the first presidential candidate to be assassinated, murdered by a mob in Illinois. They were pushed out West after they were expelled from Missouri and Illinois.
We midwesterners have a history of crushing religious extremism.
Them: Killed by the left because he spoke the truth
Reality: Killed by the right because he spoke a watered down truth
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 12, 2025, 10:01:59 PMJoseph Smith was the first presidential candidate to be assassinated, murdered by a mob in Illinois. They were pushed out West after they were expelled from Missouri and Illinois.
We midwesterners have a history of crushing religious extremism.
Everytime I go visit the daughter in Vermont I pass the I-89 highway sign that reads "Joseph Smith Birthplace Exit xx".
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 08:11:04 PMHe can't comprehend the truth. Like usual
I've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
Hmm
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMI've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
In other words: Ignores death count, ignores study tallying likelihood of violence, ignores the posts comparing rhetoric, defaults to "my feelings!"
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMAs for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
You're simply wrong. But you are a simpleton, so that checks out. Compare the reactions to Paul Pelosi or the murdered politicians in Minnesota to that of Charlie Kirk and tell me how "a wide range of people in leadership positions" reacted.
Not that facts have any chance in penetrating your feelings, but here you go:
https://www.start.umd.edu/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus-keshif
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(https://x.com/NotHoodlum/status/1966683987071418834/photo/1)
Suddenly, quoting Charlie Kirk is deeply offensive to Charlie Kirk fans.
Hmm
Muggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic. However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 08:55:29 AMMuggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic. However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.
Yeah, but people are calling people with fascist ideology fascists. That's pretty inflammatory.
Seeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.
Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.
How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?
They have to. Anything to avoid looking in the mirror.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 08:55:29 AMMuggsy, considering your diatribes about animals and the Middle East, it is easy to see how you would think the rhetoric from the extremes of either side is equally toxic. However, as far as actual political violence, the actual data is pretty one sided.
Everyone has failed protecting our tremendous members of the animal kingdom. This isn't debatable. I'm curious Tower if you've ever attended campus protests regarding Israel/Palestine or anti-police protests? When there are incidents or violence would you characterize them as political? Also, there is a huge difference between Gen Z and young millennials vs Baby Boomers and Gen X when it comes to justifying political violence. Why do you think that's the case?
The internet. And thank you for buttressing my point.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 11:07:41 AMEveryone has failed protecting our tremendous members of the animal kingdom. This isn't debatable. I'm curious Tower if you've ever attended campus protests regarding Israel/Palestine or anti-police protests? When there are incidents or violence would you characterize them as political? Also, there is a huge difference between Gen Z and young millennials vs Baby Boomers and Gen X when it comes to justifying political violence. Why do you think that's the case?
Video games
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMI've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
So much in here is emotional, uninformed and just plain wrong. You want glee? Just do 3 minutes of googling to remind yourself what your leader and those who support him had to say after the attack on Paul Pelosi. That you think only conservatives are victimized is quaint. Ignorant, but quaint.
Quote from: MU82 on September 13, 2025, 11:51:28 AMSo much in here is emotional, uninformed and just plain wrong. You want glee? Just do 3 minutes of googling to remind yourself what your leader and those who support him had to say after the attack on Paul Pelosi. That you think only conservatives are victimized is quaint. Ignorant, but quaint.
I never stared "only conservatives are victimized" at all. You just literally conjured something out of thin air.
And by the way, I'm not exactly a Trump humper. I just think he's the lesser of the two evils. And your "guy" literally was a puppet of your party and not our acting president.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 12:00:24 PMAnd by the way, I'm not exactly a Trump humper. I just think he's the lesser of the two evils. And your "guy" literally was a puppet of your party and not our acting president.
It would be VERY good for this country if Donald Trump were simply a puppet.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2025, 12:04:20 PMIt would be VERY good for this country if Donald Trump were simply a puppet.
I'm glad you agree that Biden wasn't calling the shots.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
Absolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.
Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2025, 12:36:53 PMAbsolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.
Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.
Yeah, how could there possibly be any connection between his partner transitioning and his motivation to murder Charlie? And a flimsy confirmation by source in law enforcement? Narrative was threatened there for a moment. Good thing you're here.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on September 13, 2025, 11:59:13 AMC'mon...it's porn
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Quote from: wadesworld on September 13, 2025, 12:36:53 PMAbsolutely HAD to find some way to blame it on transgenders.
Given some of your comments on this topic, you should be way above this garbage. Comes in here riding his high horse preaching how ashamed everyone should be of themselves.
+1
I am just glad he worked through his grief so quickly. Healthy sign.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 10:14:37 AMSeeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.
Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.
How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?
Not to mention college students are way more conservative now than they were a generation ago.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 13, 2025, 08:03:41 AMI've never defended Trump's rhetoric. Or Trump himself, for that matter. It's super interesting that you and others here constantly accuse the other political side of "whataboutisn" and "shifting goalposts." Basically, what I've read here is exactly that and pretty fking embarrassing. All I know is a conservative influencer with two kids under 3 was assassinated, and many on the left have been gleeful about it. I could care less about the murderer or what his views were.
As for fanning the flames? It's absolutely both sides. And very prevalent with the radical wing of your party. It's not just Trump who is called a nazi/fascist/dictator every day, it's an ideology that everyone who voted for him are evil. And it's spread nearly every freaking day by a wide range of people in leadership positions, the mainstream media, and entertainment.
I obviously have heard of Charlie Kirk but honestly didn't follow him at all. What I do know is conservative voices shouldn't need a swat team to speak on University campuses. Does this happen for Liberal speakers? I don't think so. The actual truth is that the far left is virulently anti-anerican and extremely dangerous. The far right as well, those that are actually white nationalists, are of course dangerous . But I believe the ideological impact of the radical left has a far larger outreach and worse ramifications.
Who on the left has been gleeful about it? I'm sure they are some crazies, but I'm left of "liberal" and I don't know anyone who wanted him to die.
I'm not going to mourn him, he spread evil to make a living. But I definitely feel for his wife and especially his two kids.
My biggest issue is the posthumous reframing of him as this guy who was a beacon of free speech. He's not Nick Fuentes, but he represented and promoted the worst of what the world has to offer.
And your last two sentences are just easily disprovable drivel. The far left has some dangerous people. The far right is fucking in power and are actively spreading dangerous rhetoric. And their behaviors are being modeled in a lot of homes across the country.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 01:23:26 PMI am just glad he worked through his grief so quickly. Healthy sign.
Your sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 10:14:37 AMSeeing a big shift in the online narrative pivoting to blame teachers/educators for indoctrinating the shooter.
Indicating it only took 1-semester to turn a religious conservative into a liberal extremist.
How is it that people who dedicate their lives to promoting the education, and development, of kids, for fractions on the dollar of what they could make elsewhere, are somehow always the villains?
Easy. Rich powerful people are never the villain. THEY decide who the villians are.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 02:14:04 PMYour sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.
His wife is grifting, not grieving over this. It's not that deep, bro
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on September 13, 2025, 01:06:40 PMYeah, how could there possibly be any connection between his partner transitioning and his motivation to murder Charlie? And a flimsy confirmation by source in law enforcement? Narrative was threatened there for a moment. Good thing you're here.
If they even exist, they could just as easily have been one of the good ones that helped turn him in. Too early to make any assumptions. Yesterday, a few posters said hold off on making assumptions, which I completely agreed with, but then collectively proceeded to post several pages worth of weird baseless nonsense. Where did that crazy stuff even come from?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
You're sick. Help is available.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 02:14:04 PMYour sh1tty comment about my personal grief in response to me posting a link (without any comment) to a news story relevant to this thread's topic is telling. I wish you the best in letting go of the hate.
No hate. I am rooting for you and thought this return to normalcy for you was a good sign. I would hug you if I could.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 13, 2025, 02:29:32 PMHis wife is grifting, not grieving over this. It's not that deep, bro
Broke free of that subservient nonsense. Now she can cash in.
$$$$$$
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
So you link a NY-post article, whose only source is an anonymous "leak," where no evidence is provided, including comments that the roommate was not trans, and they weren't "partners." Other articles say neighbors say they had never seen anything to indicate that the roommate was trans, or that they were a couple.
Seems like an extremely reckless and un-sourced article that puts peoples lives at risk.
Yeah, I haven't even seen Fox News run with this yet. Wouldn't be the first time this speculation jumped the gun in the last few days.
So the guy who calls everyone liars is actually the worst liar?
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 02:50:30 PMSo you link a NY-post article, whose only source is an anonymous "leak," where no evidence is provided, including comments that the roommate was not trans, and they weren't "partners." Other articles say neighbors say they had never seen anything to indicate that the roommate was trans, or that they were a couple.
Seems like an extremely reckless and un-sourced article that puts peoples lives at risk.
How many New York Times and Washington Post stories are anonymously sourced and yet their veracity is accepted. If the story is incorrect I would hope the NYPost would write a retraction.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 13, 2025, 02:58:05 PMYeah, I haven't even seen Fox News run with this yet. Wouldn't be the first time this speculation jumped the gun in the last few days.
Well out of the last 4200 mass killers in this country, 4 have been trans.
So maybe it's time to bring out the Dumb and Dumber line.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 03:15:53 PMHow many New York Times and Washington Post stories are anonymously sourced and yet their veracity is accepted. If the story is incorrect I would hope the NYPost would write a retraction.
;D ;D ;D ;D
I bet Herm was the anonymous source for the NyPost
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 11, 2025, 04:16:13 PMThe WSJ reporting a leaked memo saying the bullets had Antifa and trans ideologies on them and then the New York times refuting that a couple hours later is about as good as a representation of current affairs as any
Yeah what could go wrong with gleefully posting a sole anonymous source
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 03:15:53 PMHow many New York Times and Washington Post stories are anonymously sourced and yet their veracity is accepted. If the story is incorrect I would hope the NYPost would write a retraction.
Yeah, that's not how it works.
Make a baseless accusation ("Paul Pelosi was with his gay lover!"). The right-wing echo chamber picks it up and repeats it endlessly for days. If it is untrue, quietly mention this--once.
Result: A meaningful percentage of the population believes the original lie is true.
Example: Many, many right-wingers believe the murderer of the politicians in Minnesota is 1) Tim Walz' friend, and 2) a radical lefty. Utter lies, but that is the entire purpose of the little dance they engage in time after time to radicalize their viewers.
Feeling really bad for the Utah governor today that the shooter wasn't an immigrant.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 02:50:30 PMSo you link a NY-post article, whose only source is an anonymous "leak," where no evidence is provided, including comments that the roommate was not trans, and they weren't "partners." Other articles say neighbors say they had never seen anything to indicate that the roommate was trans, or that they were a couple.
Seems like an extremely reckless and un-sourced article that puts peoples lives at risk.
Yup. There's just as much (if not more) evidence that Robinson was a far-far-right-wingnut as that he had a trans partner.
I always assume a story in the NY Post is fiction until proven otherwise.
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 04:43:36 PMI always assume a story in the NY Post is fiction until proven otherwise.
Which sources "stories" do you read and immediately believe?
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 04:53:36 PMWhich sources "stories" do you read and immediately believe?
Is that the defense of NYP you're going with
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 13, 2025, 04:55:15 PMIs that the defense of NYP you're going with
So many of you are so quick to make up stuff in your heads. It's remarkable. I pray for you.
And I, you. I said a decade of a rosary for you last night. For someone who loses their stuff when there is an early miscount of victims, taking the NYP at face value seems incongruous.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 04:57:28 PMSo many of you are so quick to make up stuff in your heads. It's remarkable. I pray for you.
Yeah! Get his ass!
Quote from: tower912 on September 13, 2025, 05:10:46 PMAnd I, you. I said a decade of a rosary for you last night. For someone who loses their stuff when there is an early miscount of victims, taking the NYP at face value seems incongruous.
However, that never happened. Again, you're making things up. I pray you can find common sense and decency. Peace be upon you.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 13, 2025, 02:58:05 PMYeah, I haven't even seen Fox News run with this yet. Wouldn't be the first time this speculation jumped the gun in the last few days.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 05:21:52 PMhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
Thanks for monitoring Fox News 24/7. We'll see if this info is as solid as the stuff that led to Fox having to pay Dominion $787M.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 13, 2025, 05:21:52 PMhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
And Foxnews is being equally reckless. Let's hypothetically say he did live with a Trans individual...it's as irrelevant to motive as his family being Trumpers, this needlessly puts members of the LGBTQ community at risk for retaliatory attacks.
There is currently more evidence that he was a Groyper than anything else, but no one ran with that story.
Those decrying violence in politics, should be outraged, that certain media is doing everything in their power to continue to propagate hate and inspire more political violence.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 05:32:03 PMAnd Foxnews is being equally reckless. Let's hypothetically say he did live with a Trans individual...it's as irrelevant to motive as his family being Trumpers, this needlessly puts members of the LGBTQ community at risk for retaliatory attacks.
There is currently more evidence that he was a Groyper than anything else, but no one ran with that story.
Prayers for you. That you find simple logic and sanity.
Quote from: forgetful on September 13, 2025, 05:32:03 PMAnd Foxnews is being equally reckless. Let's hypothetically say he did live with a Trans individual...it's as irrelevant to motive as his family being Trumpers, this needlessly puts members of the LGBTQ community at risk for retaliatory attacks.
There is currently more evidence that he was a Groyper than anything else, but no one ran with that story.
Those decrying violence in politics, should be outraged, that certain media is doing everything in their power to continue to propagate hate and inspire more political violence.
They want violence against trans people. It's not complicated
Good lord people, you're still going at it?
I will assume the past few days and dozen pages of some of the wisest, well researched and soundest logic paired with unrefutably accurate facts has move not even one soul one inch off their original positions.
Go outside, hug you children or give your mother a call.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 05:17:04 PMHowever, that never happened. Again, you're making things up. I pray you can find common sense and decency. Peace be upon you.
Which? Yes, I said a decade of rosary you and for Blackhat. It is what Mary would want.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 13, 2025, 05:37:46 PMGood lord people, you're still going at it?
I will assume the past few days and dozen pages of some of the wisest, well researched and soundest logic paired with unrefutably accurate facts has move not even one soul one inch off their original positions.
Go outside, hug you children or give your mother a call.
I texted my friend who is trans and having a real hard time lately with so many people behaving similarly to those on this board. Strangers outright wishing she would kill herself or not exist.
I reminded her I am here to listen and that it was not her fault that an outraging stoking podcaster got shot despite some wanting to scapegoat her entire existence as the reason.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 13, 2025, 05:37:46 PMGood lord people, you're still going at it?
I will assume the past few days and dozen pages of some of the wisest, well researched and soundest logic paired with unrefutably accurate facts has move not even one soul one inch off their original positions.
Go outside, hug you children or give your mother a call.
After reading this thread, I signed up for a militia.
Kirk was preoccupied with the idea of "Black crime," and on the last episode of his show before he was killed, he devoted a segment to "the ever-increasing amount of Black crime," telling his audience, falsely, that "one in 22 Black men will be a murderer in their lifetime" and that "by age of 23, half of all Black males have been arrested and not enough of them have been arrested."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.syoh.898ezmQg_rnf&smid=url-share
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 13, 2025, 06:53:14 PMKirk was preoccupied with the idea of "Black crime," and on the last episode of his show before he was killed, he devoted a segment to "the ever-increasing amount of Black crime," telling his audience, falsely, that "one in 22 Black men will be a murderer in their lifetime" and that "by age of 23, half of all Black males have been arrested and not enough of them have been arrested."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.syoh.898ezmQg_rnf&smid=url-share
My goodness. Prayers for you.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 06:59:23 PMMy goodness. Prayers for you.
I appreciate that Jay Bee. Racism is a plague on this country and I hope as someone with privilege that I can do things in my day to day to prevent it from getting worse however I can.
Your prayers are much appreciated
It sounds like his wife will continue the grift and is taking millions in donations for defamation lawsuits (despite the fact a dead person cannot be defamed). Guaranteed she'll be running for Arizona Senate seat or Governor's race.
It's only other women who need to forego a career, pump out children and submit to their men
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 13, 2025, 07:26:32 PMIt sounds like his wife will continue the grift and is taking millions in donations for defamation lawsuits (despite the fact a dead person cannot be defamed). Guaranteed she'll be running for Arizona Senate seat or Governor's race.
It's only other women who need to forego a career, pump out children and submit to their men
This is not rationale, human thought. I pray for you.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 13, 2025, 07:26:32 PMIt sounds like his wife will continue the grift and is taking millions in donations for defamation lawsuits (despite the fact a dead person cannot be defamed). Guaranteed she'll be running for Arizona Senate seat or Governor's race.
It's only other women who need to forego a career, pump out children and submit to their men
Well she did, until she was liberated
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 04:53:36 PMWhich sources "stories" do you read and immediately believe?
Pretty much nothing you post.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 13, 2025, 07:58:28 PMPretty much nothing you post.
Why not name some or one? Odd.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 07:59:27 PMWhy not name some or one? Odd.
Because the global statement suffices.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 13, 2025, 08:15:13 PMBecause the global statement suffices.
Thank you for helping me better understanding cowardism.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:25:05 PMThank you for helping me better understanding cowardism.
I don't perform for you because you're clearly not worth the effort.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 13, 2025, 08:38:39 PMI don't perform for you because you're clearly not worth the effort.
Thank you for advancing my knowledge of beta males.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:50:06 PMThank you for advancing my knowledge of beta males.
You're welcome.
By the way, sorry to hear about your friend. Hope peace finds you soon.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 07:32:55 PMThis is not rationale, human thought. I pray for you.
No, that deranged campaign and fundraising speech she gave was not rationale.
"If you THOUGHT that my husband's mission was powerful before? You have NO IDEA. You have no idea what you've just unleashed across this entire country, and this world.
"The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no IDEA what they have done."
"The movement will NOT DIE. I refuse to let that happen."
Go here to donate...
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:25:05 PMThank you for helping me to better understanding understand cowardism.
Also, cowardism is not a word.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 08:50:06 PMThank you for advancing my knowledge of beta males.
This is what real men discuss
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48741.0
@Everyone please note for the future
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 13, 2025, 10:30:41 PMThis is what real men discuss
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48741.0
@Everyone please note for the future
And this.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66365.0
Charlie Kirk will divide.
Marquette Basketball will unite.
51 days.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 13, 2025, 12:27:23 PMhttps://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
The NY Post is a tabloid. Unless you're trying to make jokes like the rest of us about the absurdity of a pro-gun nut dying to gun violence?