Dr. Ah Yung released the following statement.
Dear Marquette community,
I am writing to you with deep sadness to share the news that two Marquette University students died this evening in a near-campus vehicular accident. Two other Marquette students were injured in the accident — they are being treated at a local hospital. Out of respect for the students' families, no additional information is being shared at this time.
We grieve with the students' families and friends, as well as faculty, staff and fellow students here on campus who were touched by these students during their time in our community. I ask that you keep the families in your prayers. Such a loss is difficult to comprehend, and I know that the coming days will be difficult for our community.
A Mass will be held Saturday, Sept. 6, at 1 p.m. in the Chapel of the Holy Family for our Marquette community to gather. The Lunda Room and Henke Lounge in the AMU will be available from noon to 3 p.m. for Marquette community members to come together.
Counseling services and pastoral support are available on campus for all faculty, staff and students.
Members of the university's Counseling Center and Campus Ministry are available to provide support services to students for coping with grief and loss. Counseling Center staff are available 24/7 by calling (414) 288-7172.
The Marquette Employee Assistance Program is available 24/7 for all employees and members of their households. You may reach LifeMatters by calling 1-800-634-6433 or through their website. Use Password: MU1.
Grief affects each of us differently. As a university community, the connections and bonds we share are important in these difficult times. Please check in with your classmates, friends, colleagues and family members as we navigate this time of sorrow together. May God bless you and the entire Marquette community.
Sincerely,
Dr. Kimo Ah Yun
President
https://today.marquette.edu/2025/09/mourning-the-loss-of-two-marquette-students/
That is awful and sad. What do we know about the arrested driver?
It's been released that both players were on the men's lacrosse team. Sophomores Noah Snyder and Scott Michaud.
As far as the other driver, she left the scene in handcuffs.
Awful. Thoughts and prayers for the victims, their family and friends, and others involved.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 06, 2025, 07:54:35 AMIt's been released that both players were on the men's lacrosse team. Sophomores Noah Snyder and Scott Michaud.
As far as the other driver, she left the scene in handcuffs.
Wow. I think I found her on the Milwaukee County jail roster. Has some abrasions on side of face. OWI for now, I'm sure more charges coming. Not going to name her because I'm not certain it's the one.
Rest in peace, Noah and Scott.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 06, 2025, 07:54:35 AMIt's been released that both players were on the men's lacrosse team. Sophomores Noah Snyder and Scott Michaud.
As far as the other driver, she left the scene in handcuffs.
all home athletic events are cancelled for the weekend. A very sad situation.
https://x.com/muathletics/status/1964312754929471818
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 06, 2025, 07:54:35 AMIt's been released that both players were on the men's lacrosse team. Sophomores Noah Snyder and Scott Michaud.
As far as the other driver, she left the scene in handcuffs.
Freaking awful.
I lost my 17 year old son in car accident 25 years ago. Hearing this just brings it all back. There are no words, but a hug would be nice.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 06, 2025, 03:22:08 PMI lost my 17 year old son in car accident 25 years ago. Hearing this just brings it all back. There are no words, but a hug would be nice.
How horrible. I'm very sorry for you loss and pain.
That is a nightmare. That never goes away.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 06, 2025, 03:22:08 PMI lost my 17 year old son in car accident 25 years ago. Hearing this just brings it all back. There are no words, but a hug would be nice.
Sorry, brother. I can't imagine. Life is precious. We are lucky to be here imo.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 06, 2025, 03:22:08 PMI lost my 17 year old son in car accident 25 years ago. Hearing this just brings it all back. There are no words, but a hug would be nice.
My wife's son died in a house fire at the age of 17. Although she never expects more than a brief conversation from them, she finds some comfort when she is in the presence of teen boys and is able to chat briefly with them about any subject.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 06, 2025, 03:22:08 PMI lost my 17 year old son in car accident 25 years ago. Hearing this just brings it all back. There are no words, but a hug would be nice.
Very sad - any parent's nightmare. I feel for you, my friend.
Devasting loss for their families and the Marquette community. May they rest in peace.
https://x.com/sophia_tiedge/status/1964520969021886718?s=42
Saw a couple classy posts from UW social media regarding this. Maybe there is still some good in the world that we can all recognize tragedy and support each other in difficult times.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 06, 2025, 03:22:08 PMI lost my 17 year old son in car accident 25 years ago. Hearing this just brings it all back. There are no words, but a hug would be nice.
I am deeply sorry for your loss. I can only imagine your pain. Here's a digital hug as much as there is such a thing. I'd give you the biggest bear hug if I could.
https://www.wisn.com/article/driver-charged-in-crash-that-killed-2-marquette-lacrosse-players/66038853
Devastating for the 2 MU kids. Sounds like it was a dangerous but common traffic scenario. The jeep w/ the MU players was traveling at an extremely high rate of speed for the location which can impact the decision making of other drivers, especially impaired ones.
Quote from: CountryRoads on September 10, 2025, 07:32:45 PMDevastating for the 2 MU kids. Sounds like it was a dangerous but common traffic scenario. The jeep w/ the MU players was traveling at an extremely high rate of speed for the location which can impact the decision making of other drivers, especially impaired ones.
Maybe impaired people should simply not operate a vehicle.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 10, 2025, 07:39:04 PMMaybe impaired people should simply not operate a vehicle.
Can't argue with that.
So if I'm reading that article correctly .. the kids were trying to make the yellow light, and the lady took a left in front of them?
Also curious of the kids in the Jeep, the seatbelt usage.
I remember while I was at MU, a friend of mine's sister was killed, 5 kids in the car, 4 wearing seatbelts survived.
This is all heartbreaking .. just trying to make sense of the sadness.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on September 10, 2025, 08:52:54 PMSo if I'm reading that article correctly .. the kids were trying to make the yellow light, and the lady took a left in front of them?
The article doesn't do a great job of describing exactly what happened. The students were southbound at 53 mph (speed limit 30). Woman was presumably northbound, was turning left to go west on St. Paul and accelerated "into the intersection from a stopped position while the light was yellow". Not sure if she was already pulled into the intersection somewhat (as is common when turning left). Not sure if the students sped up to make the yellow. Not sure if she thought they were going to stop or if she thought she had time to complete the turn before they arrived or if she thought anything because of intoxication.
Terrible.
Excerpts from an online story (Men's Journal):
An officer at the scene said Brunner displayed "bloodshot and glassy eyes, slurred speech, and difficulty keeping her balance. Also, officers recovered a grinder with a green leafy substance that tested positive for THC.
Testing revealed Brunner's blood-alcohol content to be 0.133, which is beyond Wisconsin's legal limit to drive of 0.08. CBS affiliate WISC-TV reported that Brunner has four prior convictions for operating a vehicle under the influence."
And yet she apparently still had a valid driver's license. WHY?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 11, 2025, 01:11:48 PMAnd yet she apparently still had a valid driver's license. WHY?
She should not have been driving intoxicated, and certainly not allowed to for the...4th time??
But...absent that info...when two cars collide in an intersection during a yellow light, one traveling 11mph (19mph under the speed limit), and the other traveling 53mph (23mph over the speed limit)...which driver would you blame for the deaths in the accident?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 11, 2025, 01:50:27 PMShe should not have been driving intoxicated, and certainly not allowed to for the...4th time??
But...absent that info...when two cars collide in an intersection during a yellow light, one traveling 11mph (19mph under the speed limit), and the other traveling 53mph (23mph over the speed limit)...which driver would you blame for the deaths in the accident?
No question that speeding places
some of the blame on the Jeep driver, but if we are getting technical, failure to yield places the blame (by law) on the driver turning left into oncoming traffic.
A
sober driver, seeing the other driver trying to beat a red light, would very likely have stayed and waited to turn.
It reminded me of an accident
many years ago when 15-year-old me was in the front passenger seat and my mother was making a turn into a parking lot when a speeding car came right at us. The reason I remember it so well is because the car was heading straight for
me. I yelled FLOOR IT! and she did, so we got hit very hard at the rear door rather than the one I was sitting by. The driver was extremely drunk and, after a few minutes drove off but not before I wrote down his tag number. No ticket was issued to either party as he was drunk and left the scene of an accident and, we later learned, a friend of the cop.
So, if your point is that, even with the drunk driving, there
may be some blame assigned to the sober driver...fair enough.
My point is that I doubt it would ever had happened without the driver being drunk and who should have had her license at least suspended if not permanently revoked due to the previous DUIs. My scare as a teen when our car was demolished where we were hit is difficult to forget. No drunk, no accident, no close call.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 11, 2025, 02:16:36 PMSo, if your point is that, even with the drunk driving, there may be some blame assigned to the sober driver...fair enough. My point is that I doubt it would ever had happened without the driver being drunk and who should have had her license at least suspended if not permanently revoked due to the previous DUIs.
I'm not exactly certain of my "point" - and as I mentioned it is surprising she was still even allowed to drive.
Certainly failing to yield is the cause of the accident. Though if the accident were to happen at posted speed limits, I do question whether anyone would have died.
Similar to you, I was a passenger in a car heading one way at about 25-30mph. We got t-boned on my side by another car that failed to yield (didn't see the stop sign) at 25-30mph. Fortunately only cars totaled, and I had a stiff neck for a few weeks.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 11, 2025, 02:20:52 PMI'm not exactly certain of my "point" - and as I mentioned it is surprising she was still even allowed to drive.
Certainly failing to yield is the cause of the accident. Though if the accident were to happen at posted speed limits, I do question whether anyone would have died.
Very fair.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 11, 2025, 01:50:27 PMShe should not have been driving intoxicated, and certainly not allowed to for the...4th time??
But...absent that info...when two cars collide in an intersection during a yellow light, one traveling 11mph (19mph under the speed limit), and the other traveling 53mph (23mph over the speed limit)...which driver would you blame for the deaths in the accident?
Looks like the answer to your question is, "both". Such a sad loss of lives.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/marquette-students-killed-milwaukee-crash-charges-051926.amp
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 20, 2026, 06:29:01 AMLooks like the answer to your question is, "both". Such a sad loss of lives.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/marquette-students-killed-milwaukee-crash-charges-051926.amp
Oof. Just awful all around.
Ahhh the American justice system. Where we try and ruin even more lives from an accident!
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 20, 2026, 10:01:57 AMAhhh the American justice system. Where we try and ruin even more lives from an accident!
Are you seriously suggesting that someone driving a car 20 mph over the speed limit where multiple people were killed, should go unpunished?
Not to mention it was packed beyond capacity.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 20, 2026, 10:08:21 AMAre you seriously suggesting that someone driving a car 20 mph over the speed limit where multiple people were killed, should go unpunished?
Not to mention it was packed beyond capacity.
Are you seriously suggesting charging a 21 year old with homicide doing what every young adult in the city also does?
Who exactly benefits from that?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 20, 2026, 10:32:24 AMAre you seriously suggesting charging a 21 year old with homicide doing what every young adult in the city also does?
Who exactly benefits from that?
Every young adult kills their passengers while driving their car?? That's news to me.
And your second question is nonsense. You don't charge someone because it may or may not "benefit" someone. You charge them because they allegedly committed a felony where people lost their lives.
Should they receive leniency because of mitigating circumstances? Of course. But to simply not charge them at all? That's ridiculous.
Lots of bad decisions that I am sure everyone wishes they could go back in time to make a better decision. Prayers for the families and friends.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 20, 2026, 10:37:35 AMEvery young adult kills their passengers while driving their car?? That's news to me.
And your second question is nonsense. You don't charge someone because it may or may not "benefit" someone. You charge them because they allegedly committed a felony where people lost their lives.
Should they receive leniency because of mitigating circumstances? Of course. But to simply not charge them at all? That's ridiculous.
Part a, you knew exactly what I was talking about, but making mountains out of molehills is what you do, so carry on.
Part b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?
Im sure countless people have done the same thing to beat a light before, but I'm sure NO ONE on scoop has ever done this.
*speedometers are often inaccudatw, and even more so at high acceleration. i guess they could pull the GPS data possibly though.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 20, 2026, 11:02:24 AMPart a, you knew exactly what I was talking about, but making mountains out of molehills is what you do, so carry on.
Part b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?
Im sure countless people have done the same thing to beat a light before, but I'm sure NO ONE on scoop has ever done this.
*speedometers are often inaccudatw, and even more so at high acceleration. i guess they could pull the GPS data possibly though.
He broke the law and people died. Reckless driving in Milwaukee is a massive problem and people are going to be made an example of. My sympathy for him is low having witnessed reckless driving throughout the city.
It's a pretty safe bet this never makes it to trial, anyway, but he's going to have time to serve.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 20, 2026, 11:02:24 AMPart a, you knew exactly what I was talking about, but making mountains out of molehills is what you do, so carry on.
You seem to think he was charged simply because he was driving 20 mph over the limit. He was charged because he was speeding and people were killed.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 20, 2026, 11:02:24 AMPart b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?
I'm not sure why the age of the guy is relevant here.
I think a driver in this situation should be charged. I also think that, with mitigating factors, that he shouldn't serve ten years in prison. He very likely will not.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 20, 2026, 11:02:24 AMIm sure countless people have done the same thing to beat a light before, but I'm sure NO ONE on scoop has ever done this.
Again, I am not sure why you think this matters. He wasn't charged because he tried to beat a light. He was charged because he tried to beat a light and people were killed in the process.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on May 20, 2026, 11:02:24 AMPart b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?
He doesn't have a "murder charge" on his record. He's accused of negligence resulting in the death of two people. That'll get you a charge...and it should. If he is convicted, I would think that mitigating factors will result in
far less than 10 years...as they should.
Reckless driving is a problem everywhere.
Tragic events occur when two reckless drivers meet.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on May 20, 2026, 12:08:00 PMHe doesn't have a "murder charge" on his record. He's accused of negligence resulting in the death of two people. That'll get you a charge...and it should. If he is convicted, I would think that mitigating factors will result in far less than 10 years...as they should.
If we want to be precise, then do that. He's charged with two counts of felony homicide.
Not 'negligence resulting in...'.. rather negligence CAUSING.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 20, 2026, 02:32:31 PMIf we want to be precise, then do that. He's charged with two counts of felony homicide.
Not 'negligence resulting in...'.. rather negligence CAUSING.
Fair enough; my comment lacked precision.
Your Unleash's claim he had a murder charge on his permanent record was simply wrong.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on May 20, 2026, 02:42:40 PMFair enough; my comment lacked precision. Your claim he had a murder charge on his permanent record was simply wrong.
That wasn't JB.
That was #unleash.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 20, 2026, 02:44:21 PMThat wasn't JB.
That was #unleash.
Doh!
My apologies, JB.
Amandria Bunner, the intoxicated driver, found not guilty on all felony homocide counts.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/marquette-students-killed-crash-brunner-trial-061826
Quote from: The Sultan on June 18, 2026, 02:37:05 PMAmandria Bunner, the intoxicated driver, found not guilty on all felony homocide counts.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/marquette-students-killed-crash-brunner-trial-061826
Probably the correct verdict (obviously only knowing what's been reported), but hopefully this woman never drives a vehicle again.
Ahhh, this is why they prosecuted the 2nd driver late.
Love american justice
Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2026, 02:44:34 PMProbably the correct verdict (obviously only knowing what's been reported), but hopefully this woman never drives a vehicle again.
I need a lawyer let me know the possibility of this ruling effecting the probable cause of the dui.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 18, 2026, 06:52:30 PMAhhh, this is why they prosecuted the 2nd driver late.
Love american justice
Yeah, it's odd that they want to prosecute the person primarily responsible for the accident.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 18, 2026, 07:41:10 PMYeah, it's odd that they want to prosecute the person primarily responsible for the accident.
Yeah.... its totally not strange at all they originally charged the lady, months before bringing charges against the 2nd driver. But only weeks before 1st driver gets acquitted.
American justice system strives on punishment and conviction rates. It's a joke in the world.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 18, 2026, 07:49:27 PMYeah.... its totally not strange at all they originally charged the lady, months before bringing charges against the 2nd driver. But only weeks before 1st driver gets acquitted.
After the acceleration data was released.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 18, 2026, 07:49:27 PMAmerican justice system strives on punishment and conviction rates. It's a joke in the world.
Very odd take. People were killed and you just want to absolve the people primarily responsible.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 18, 2026, 08:03:36 PMAfter the acceleration data was released.
Very odd take. People were killed and you just want to absolve the people primarily responsible.
::)
The brainwash is strong.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 18, 2026, 08:26:49 PM::)
The brainwash is strong.
Yeah it's SOOOO strange that I think people who cause someone's death should be charged with a crime.
Yet you haven't stated any reason why you think otherwise.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 18, 2026, 08:26:49 PM::)
The brainwash is strong.
Really trying to understand your beef here.
The evidence, at least what's been disclosed publicly, shows the driver of the Jeep was committing a criminal act, and that act was a partial, if not primary, cause of a crash that led to the deaths of two people.
Why exactly would he not be charged?
Quote from: Pakuni on June 18, 2026, 08:42:58 PMReally trying to understand your beef here.
The evidence, at least what's been disclosed publicly, shows the driver of the Jeep was committing a criminal act, and that act was a partial, if not primary, cause of a crash that led to the deaths of two people.
Why exactly would he not be charged?
Don't expect a logical response...if you get any at all. He can't really articulate anything that won't sound ridiculous
Quote from: Pakuni on June 18, 2026, 08:42:58 PMReally trying to understand your beef here.
The evidence, at least what's been disclosed publicly, shows the driver of the Jeep was committing a criminal act, and that act was a partial, if not primary, cause of a crash that led to the deaths of two people.
Why exactly would he not be charged?
Lol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.
First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.
Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.
Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?
And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"
Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.
Other justice systems do exist other then common law.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 18, 2026, 08:42:26 PMYeah it's SOOOO strange that I think people who cause someone's death should be charged with a crime.
Yet you haven't stated any reason why you think otherwise.
Very basic boomer logic.
Shocking from the pearl clutcher. The world will be better off when yall are in the homes.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 03:36:13 PMLol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.
First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.
Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.
Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?
And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"
Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.
Other justice systems do exist other then common law.
I can say with a good amount of confidence that I've never put my accelerator to the floor to make a light at 23 mph over the speed limit. Actions have consequences. This guy's actions resulted in the death of two people. And it could've been more.
They didn't bring charges to the driver of the Jeep because they "trumped up charges" on the woman and then thought they'd lose. They brought charges because more evidence became available.
When there's a fatal accident and one of the drivers is drunk and high, you're probably going to see charges given to that driver. It then became evident as the investigation went on that the other driver was much more responsible for the deaths.
Good for the justice system working and rightfully coming to the correct verdict in this trial (although I don't know where things stand with the DUI?).
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 03:36:13 PMLol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.
First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.
Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.
Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?
And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"
Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.
Other justice systems do exist other then common law.
Just because someone made a bad decision that could have gotten someone killed and didn't doesn't make it ok for someone else to do the same thing
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 03:36:13 PMLol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.
First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.
Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.
Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?
And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"
Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.
Other justice systems do exist other then common law.
This didn't really answer my question.
Why were the charges against Brunner "trumped up?"
The legal definition of homicide is death caused by another person. In this case, the charge is "homicide by negligent operation of a vehicle." I'm not sure where your confusion comes from. Driving 20+ mph over the limit through a changing light signal is evidence of negligence. Two people dying as a result is evidence of homicide.
Perhaps the problem here is you don't know the difference between the terms "homicide" and "murder?" They're not synonyms.
Murder is an intentional unlawful killing. Nobody is charged with that here. The charge alleges negligence, not intent.
The criminal justice system would simply be unmanageable - and about 1,000X more expensive - without the ability to plea bargain. Milwaukee County averages about 47,000 criminal case filings a year. That would require about 128 trials a day, including weekends and holidays. Nobody would work because we'd all be on jury duty.
"One which im sure 90% of this board has made before."
So because some people get away with bad behavior ... everyone should get away with bad behavior?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 03:40:46 PMVery basic boomer logic.
Shocking from the pearl clutcher. The world will be better off when yall are in the homes.
Not a Boomer.
And if you think I'm a "pearl clutcher" because I think people should be charged when they caused the death of another individual, then...well...I guess that's what I am.
But I can't prevent you from being pretty f*cking dumb.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 03:36:13 PMNow are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made?
Uh.... Yes and yes. I think the answers to those questions are pretty easy.
Should mitigating factors be at play when it comes to punishment? Absolutely. But homicide charges in this case are completely justified and hardly "trumped up." His actions lead to the death of another individual.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 19, 2026, 04:43:49 PMNot a Boomer.
And if you think I'm a "pearl clutcher" because I think people should be charged when they caused the death of another individual, then...well...I guess that's what I am.
But I can't prevent you from being pretty f*cking dumb.
1000% are a boomer.
I hope you eventually find people that tolerate you in real life. That post rates nuts.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 19, 2026, 03:51:35 PMI can say with a good amount of confidence that I've never put my accelerator to the floor to make a light at 23 mph over the speed limit. Actions have consequences. This guy's actions resulted in the death of two people. And it could've been more.
They didn't bring charges to the driver of the Jeep because they "trumped up charges" on the woman and then thought they'd lose. They brought charges because more evidence became available.
You've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.
This evidence was available from the start. It doesn't take months to decode information spit out by the OBD. The charges were brought on driver #2 because the sure fire win the DA thought was on #1 was proven to be wrong.
Then they attempt to bring big big charges in order for #2 to take a plea deal. This happens all the time, it's just against a marquette student now. The dude lives the rest of his life knowing a split second decision to go/stop ended two of his friends lives.
But yall NEED to see someone punished. Because thats what American common law told you. Theres no further justice here. All that comes from this is more pain. But punishment >>>>> Rehabilitation. Thats the american way! Our justice system is #1.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 05:01:50 PM1000% are a boomer.
I hope you eventually find people that tolerate you in real life. That post rates nuts.
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Honestly, I have no idea why you are even posting in this topic. You've been trounced so badly at this point, it's largely turned into a mercy killing.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 05:17:21 PMYou've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.
This evidence was available from the start. It doesn't take months to decode information spit out by the OBD. The charges were brought on driver #2 because the sure fire win the DA thought was on #1 was proven to be wrong.
Then they attempt to bring big big charges in order for #2 to take a plea deal. This happens all the time, it's just against a marquette student now. The dude lives the rest of his life knowing a split second decision to go/stop ended two of his friends lives.
But yall NEED to see someone punished. Because thats what American common law told you. Theres no further justice here. All that comes from this is more pain. But punishment >>>>> Rehabilitation. Thats the american way! Our justice system is #1.
Cars speed up plenty fast without putting the pedal to the floor. I can't remember the last time I pushed the pedal more than like 80% of the way. There's really never a need to truly "floor it."
So what's the correct outcome here in your mind? The person who wasn't responsible for the crash goes to jail? Nobody faces punishmen?
Split second decisions that result in people dying should result in punishment. This wasn't a car driving responsibly but something out of its control caused it to crash. This was a driver deciding to drive recklessly and people died.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 05:17:21 PMYou've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.
LOL....you should share this with the defense attorney. I'm sure it will be given the seriousness it deserves.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 19, 2026, 05:25:07 PM<ignores subject again>
Honestly, I have no idea why you are even posting in this topic. You've been trounced so badly at this point, it's largely turned into a mercy killing.
Nm
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 06:52:55 PMMan, someone should really do that to you honestly. The literal definition of a toxic personality.
LOL. I think this qualifies as a white flag.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 19, 2026, 07:02:37 PMLOL. I think this qualifies as a white flag.
See it however you want bud!
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on June 19, 2026, 05:17:21 PMYou've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.
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Gonna need the figures on each car's torque before I know how to make a point only I understand.