Here's hoping an American shows those dopey drunkards in Ireland what a winner looks like. 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷
More carnage, please. Raining sideways is more fun than a raining birdies.
Hopefully, the forecast changes. Other than Thurs, it doesn't look like there will be a ton of wind . Somewhat upsetting. The rain looks moderate at best. :(
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2025, 05:43:53 AMHopefully, the forecast changes. Other than Thurs, it doesn't look like there will be a ton of wind . Somewhat upsetting. The rain looks moderate at best. :(
So much for global warming
Who ya got, Tower? Maybe Hatton doesn't implode?
Won't be watching. Vacation. Time difference is too great.
If it ain't in Amurica - then it ain't great.
Who cares?
Quote from: Jockey on July 15, 2025, 06:25:55 PMIf it ain't in Amurica - then it ain't great.
Who cares?
Because we have to assert our authority and dominance in the world. Quite frankly, we never should have let the Irish into our country. Don't get me started on how they helped the bad guys win the Civil War
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2025, 06:17:29 PMWon't be watching. Vacation. Time difference is too great.
No worries. Have a great vacation.
I'm watching flight tracker to see if Tiger is a late entrant. Only then will I make my prediction.
Scoring looks fairly good early. Lefty at -2? He'll implode soon. Rahm seems to be a popular pick. You woukd think Morikawa would be dangerous.
Crap drives from Morikawa and Sheffy on #1.
Dead pull fron Scheffy on #2. Yikes.
Who is Jacob Oleson??? -5 through 15.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 04:08:38 AMScoring looks fairly good early. Lefty at -2? He'll implode soon. Rahm seems to be a popular pick. You woukd think Morikawa would be dangerous.
Lefty is a true American who believes in the troops, flag and protecting the rich. Would be a great day for America if he were to win
The course is gettable right now. The LIV golfers still bother me. And they shouldn't be announcers for this imo.
Scheffy piped that 2nd shot (267} there. Too bad NBC fked up the camera work and coverage of it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 06:18:40 AMThe course is gettable right now. The LIV golfers still bother me. And they shouldn't be announcers for this imo.
The LIV golfers are great patriots
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 04:08:38 AMScoring looks fairly good early. Lefty at -2? He'll implode soon. Rahm seems to be a popular pick. You woukd think Morikawa would be dangerous.
At +4, his only danger is probably to the fans along the fairway.
Bad Boy Scottie getting off to a good start probably doesn't bode well for everyone else.
Fitzpatrick coming off two top-10s and a good first round may be my pick now that it doesn't look like Tiger will make it.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 17, 2025, 10:55:25 AMAt +4, his only danger is probably to the fans along the fairway.
Bad Boy Scottie getting off to a good start probably doesn't bode well for everyone else.
Fitzpatrick coming off two top-10s and a good first round may be my pick now that it doesn't look like Tiger will make it.
I see the troops are being disrespected again
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2025, 11:15:09 AMI see the troops are being disrespected again
Captain America shooting +6 may spark military intervention. Or at least some tariffs.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 17, 2025, 11:39:05 AMCaptain America shooting +6 may spark military intervention. Or at least some tariffs.
At this point, I wonder if American athletes really understand that we're great again
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 17, 2025, 10:55:25 AMAt +4, his only danger is probably to the fans along the fairway.
Bad Boy Scottie getting off to a good start probably doesn't bode well for everyone else.
Fitzpatrick coming off two top-10s and a good first round may be my pick now that it doesn't look like Tiger will make it.
Sweet J! WTH has happened to this guy? T-118????? Smh.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 01:09:06 PMSweet J! WTH has happened to this guy? T-118????? Smh.
He's just another soft American athlete who gets a lollipop even when he embarrasses the troops.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 17, 2025, 11:39:05 AMCaptain America shooting +6 may spark military intervention. Or at least some tariffs.
Patrick Reed still occupies real estate in people's heads? I don't particularly care for the guy, but he's not a top 50 player, has only won 1 tournament (on the LIV Tour no less) in 5 years, and other than a couple nice Masters runs, hasn't had a top 20 in a major in like 4 years. He's a weirdo with a lunatic for a wife, but I'm surprised people care enough to take amusement when he plays like ass given how he's been white noise in the golf world for half a decade.
Bryson continues to be baffled by proper golf
Good to see that Finau had a decent round. And Harmon of course. Bryson broke 80. Lol.
Three Danes in the top 10??
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 06:52:57 PMThree Danes in the top 10??
Absolutely disgusting and despicable
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2025, 07:42:17 PMAbsolutely disgusting and despicable
Maybe Kierkegaard is signaling us?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 07:53:36 PMMaybe Kierkegaard is signaling us?
I'm an evangelical Christian. Kierkegaard was rude to my people
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2025, 07:55:22 PMI'm an evangelical Christian. Kierkegaard was rude to my people
You shoukd love the guy. Although, I don't recall MU offering a course on him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 07:59:15 PMYou shoukd love the guy. Although, I don't recall MU offering a course on him.
He was rude
He was apparently a genius but misogynistic. Not exactly Iight bathroom reading.
There's not enough wind in the forecast. In 2019 the winning score was +1. We could see a 12-15 stroke difference.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 08:32:17 PMThere's not enough wind in the forecast. In 2019 the winning score was +1. We could see a 12-15 stroke difference.
The winning score wasn't +1, that was the cut. Lowry won with a score of -15.
The R & A is not as committed to protecting par.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2025, 08:37:31 PMThe winning score wasn't +1, that was the cut. Lowry won with a score of -15.
Whoops. My bad. +1 was Lowry's final round.
Harman making an early move.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2025, 05:36:26 AMHarman making an early move.
Harman is a real American patriot
There's a 65 out there if the weather stays the same. Rory isn't really taking advantage
Brutal pull hook on 9.
They haven't shown a signal shot of Tony Finau. Totally inexcusable, he's -2.
Massive break for Rory on 9. Two stroke swing. But he's gotta make something happen on the back 9.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2025, 05:47:54 AMHarman is a real American patriot
His pre-shot routine is what makes golf great.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 18, 2025, 08:11:49 AMHis pre-shot routine is what makes golf great.
He's tried to truncate his waggles but struggles. He's not struggling controlling his irons.
Finau at -4. We still haven't seen a single shot of his. Ridiculous.
Finally. Tony about to go to -5.
NBC's coverage is a disaster. I guess Ill go to work. :(
Quote from: JWags85 on July 17, 2025, 01:33:40 PMPatrick Reed still occupies real estate in people's heads? I don't particularly care for the guy, but he's not a top 50 player, has only won 1 tournament (on the LIV Tour no less) in 5 years, and other than a couple nice Masters runs, hasn't had a top 20 in a major in like 4 years. He's a weirdo with a lunatic for a wife, but I'm surprised people care enough to take amusement when he plays like ass given how he's been white noise in the golf world for half a decade.
It was more playing on the Captain America name. I honestly thought he had been more relevant in majors.
Brian Harman dominating the British like he's a descendant of George Washington.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 18, 2025, 08:23:45 AMIt was more playing on the Captain America name. I honestly thought he had been more relevant in majors.
Brian Harman dominating the British like he's a descendant of George Washington.
Harman needs to win the British in order to force his way on the Ryder Cup team to ensure he sucks there. He was a disaster at the President's Cup last fall.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2025, 08:16:27 AMFinau at -4. We still haven't seen a single shot of his. Ridiculous.
They don't show Finau because he understands his wife is a baby-making machine and not someone who should be in the workforce. The woke mob hates that
Quote from: RJax55 on July 18, 2025, 08:11:49 AMHis pre-shot routine is what makes golf great.
He's reminding himself of the troops before he hits and I appreciate his patriotism unlike guys like Fowler who choke like a dog and embarrass our country which is being talked about a lot now
Quote from: RJax55 on July 18, 2025, 08:11:49 AMHis pre-shot routine is what makes golf great.
He needs to be paired with Keegan at the Ryder Cup. Will fry the European brains.
SMDH at the 🇨🇳 flag on the leaderboard.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2025, 08:39:08 AMHe's reminding himself of the troops before he hits and I appreciate his patriotism unlike guys like Fowler who choke like a dog and embarrass our country which is being talked about a lot now
Fowler going to have one of the most profoundly mediocre finishes to a career, in modern golf, after a electric start. #1 amateur in the world for the better part of a year, 2 Walker Cup teams, Ben Hogan award winner. Turns pro, wins PGA ROY, picks up some wins, then has that 2013-2014 where he has 5 top 10s in 8 majors (4 top 5s) plus another top 20 and wins The Players. Then 2017-2019, another 3 major top 5s, 2 other top 10s, and 3 top 20s. Then falls off the face of the golfing earth, more or less. (Insert joke about getting married right after the 2019 season).
Since 2019, has won 1 tournament in 6 years, has twice as many missed cuts in majors at top 20s, and his best performance was the 2023 US Open where lead throughout, final group on Sunday, and then choked massively, even for him, and was 5 shots behind Clark.
Plenty of accomplished amateur golfers do nothing as pros but his early success makes the collapse even more stark. I used to think he might be the next Mickelson and finaly break through late, but I think he's more likely to fall out of the top 100 players on Tour than win a major by 40.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2025, 06:48:25 PMGood to see that Finau had a decent round. And Harmon of course. Bryson broke 80. Lol.
Bryson appreciated the motivation Muggs!
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2025, 12:30:05 PMBryson appreciated the motivation Muggs!
Bryson loves America
What's the cut? I guess Scheffy decided to go medieval.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2025, 12:30:05 PMBryson appreciated the motivation Muggs!
Wow. I guess I did give him motivation.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2025, 02:14:47 PMWhat's the cut? I guess Scheffy decided to go medieval.
+1
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2025, 02:14:47 PMWhat's the cut? I guess Scheffy decided to go medieval.
Too bad he doesn't back the blue
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2025, 12:29:15 PMFowler going to have one of the most profoundly mediocre finishes to a career, in modern golf, after a electric start. #1 amateur in the world for the better part of a year, 2 Walker Cup teams, Ben Hogan award winner. Turns pro, wins PGA ROY, picks up some wins, then has that 2013-2014 where he has 5 top 10s in 8 majors (4 top 5s) plus another top 20 and wins The Players. Then 2017-2019, another 3 major top 5s, 2 other top 10s, and 3 top 20s. Then falls off the face of the golfing earth, more or less. (Insert joke about getting married right after the 2019 season).
Since 2019, has won 1 tournament in 6 years, has twice as many missed cuts in majors at top 20s, and his best performance was the 2023 US Open where lead throughout, final group on Sunday, and then choked massively, even for him, and was 5 shots behind Clark.
Plenty of accomplished amateur golfers do nothing as pros but his early success makes the collapse even more stark. I used to think he might be the next Mickelson and finaly break through late, but I think he's more likely to fall out of the top 100 players on Tour than win a major by 40.
Fowler is currently ranked 114th in the world, so he's already there. He has needed sponsor invites to get into the last couple signature events. Rickie will continue to make a lot of coin off the course, but he's not winning a major championship.
It looks like super low scores are out there. Bryson can get to -4 through 8.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 18, 2025, 03:02:45 PMFowler is currently ranked 114th in the world, so he's already there. He has needed sponsor invites to get into the last couple signature events. Rickie will continue to make a lot of coin off the course, but he's not winning a major championship.
Rocket was wowed by the Rick Flower marketing machine. Says a lot, in more ways than one
Even though Scottie is part of the defund the police cabal, he has to win to bring great glory to America
Rory needs a 66 at minimum today.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2025, 08:04:07 AMRory needs a 66 at minimum today.
He moved out of Florida. I hope he breaks his legs
Huge birdie on #1 from Rory.
Total loss of focus for Scheffy on 2.
Good grief. Scheffy with big putting probs early. Wow.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2025, 10:12:42 AMGood grief. Scheffy with big putting probs early. Wow.
Lol. Chill bro
Still no shots shown from Finau. He's at -6. Beyond inexcusable.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2025, 07:51:18 AMEven though Scottie is part of the defund the police cabal, he has to win to bring great glory to America
Fitzpatrick went to Northwestern for like two weeks and his wife is from New Jersey. I would count a win from him for the red, white and blue.
NBC golf coverage is honestly garbage. It needs to be completely revamped. Endless commercials, focus only on few golfers, and mediocre commentary besides McGinley. We haven't seen a single shot from three Americans at -6. Gross negligence and totally absurd.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2025, 10:12:42 AMGood grief. Scheffy with big putting probs early. Wow.
Shot a bogey free 67, lol
Quote from: RJax55 on July 19, 2025, 01:54:29 PMShot a bogey free 67, lol
The crazy thing is he pretty much had his B- game. He could have easily shot a 63 with several missed putts and paring 2/3 of the par 5's. Now he did have two masterclass par saves (with two hammer shots) which led to an eagle and birdie. That said, I still think that was his B- game. The guy's best is noticeably better than everyone else. Especially his iron game. Way more controlled, varied trajectories and generally taking danger out of the equation. He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses, and if he's making 12-20 foot putts, you might as well start the bus.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2025, 04:33:04 PMThe crazy thing is he pretty much had his B- game. He could have easily shot a 63 with several missed putts and paring 2/3 of the par 5's. Now he did have two masterclass par saves (with two hammer shots) which led to an eagle and birdie. That said, I still think that was his B- game. The guy's best is noticeably better than everyone else. Especially his iron game. Way more controlled, varied trajectories and generally taking danger out of the equation. He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses, and if he's making 12-20 foot putts, you might as well start the bus.
He better thank the troops
There is a super low score out there. Obviously it's under a 10% chance, but you never know. Especially if Rory goes ballistic through 7.
I don't like the guy, but you have to tip your cap to Bryson after his 1st rd debacle.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 08:55:25 AMI don't like the guy, but you have to tip your cap to Bryson after his 1st rd debacle.
He loves the troops
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 08:55:25 AMI don't like the guy, but you have to tip your cap to Bryson after his 1st rd debacle.
lol. No I don't.
Rickie shot a 65.
Rory is done.
Bad decision by Scheffy there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 09:15:28 AMRickie shot a 65.
Back door top-tens are the best
I'm impressed with Gotterup. Tremendous power from the young man. He has that wicked, low launch, stinger fade. He can also unload with his driver. His game seems to suit Bethpage. I doubt he'll be picked for the RC, but the kid has serious game.
Scottie is probably annoyed he has to sit through another trophy presentation.
When do the "is Scheffler bad for golf" hot takes begin?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 11:19:55 AMBack door top-tens are the best
Top 14s**
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Quote from: The Sultan on July 20, 2025, 09:10:12 AMlol. No I don't.
I like Bryson more than most here, but I actually agree. Honestly it's one of the most frustrating things about him. Love him or hate him, he's one of the top 10 golfers in the world (top 15 at worst). But he's so predisposed to having one of those awful rounds almost every major, and then playing 3 good to very good rounds. He'd have 4 or 5 majors if he didn't have that knack. Honestly the same issue Rory had until the Masters. Garbage on Friday or Saturday and then great Sundays/weekends after being out of the hunt
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 20, 2025, 12:45:04 PMScottie is probably annoyed he has to sit through another trophy presentation.
The fact that he's putting so well probably isn't an ideal situation for his competitors. Because his precision with his irons are on a different level. It looks pretty effortless.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 20, 2025, 12:51:39 PMTop 14s**
I like Bryson more than most here, but I actually agree. Honestly it's one of the most frustrating things about him. Love him or hate him, he's one of the top 10 golfers in the world (top 15 at worst). But he's so predisposed to having one of those awful rounds almost every major, and then playing 3 good to very good rounds. He'd have 4 or 5 majors if he didn't have that knack. Honestly the same issue Rory had until the Masters. Garbage on Friday or Saturday and then great Sundays/weekends after being out of the hunt
Consistency is by far the most important thing in sports.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 12:54:13 PMThe fact that he's putting so well probably isn't an ideal situation for his competitors. Because his precision with his irons are on a different level. It looks pretty effortless.
I saw someone that compared Scottie to Tim Duncan and I think it's spot on. He's mild mannered and won't blow you away with highlights like a Tiger would. But he's so much better at the basics than others that it feels boring watching him.
Also, Ted Scott doesn't get enough praise for how he's helped Scottie's mental game. I think that's a big part of the domination we are seeing.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 20, 2025, 12:51:39 PMTop 14s**
I like Bryson more than most here, but I actually agree. Honestly it's one of the most frustrating things about him. Love him or hate him, he's one of the top 10 golfers in the world (top 15 at worst). But he's so predisposed to having one of those awful rounds almost every major, and then playing 3 good to very good rounds. He'd have 4 or 5 majors if he didn't have that knack. Honestly the same issue Rory had until the Masters. Garbage on Friday or Saturday and then great Sundays/weekends after being out of the hunt
It's the nature of his swing. Bryson doesn't deloft to the degree his fellow pros do. It's why his clubs are so strong lofted. And, given his speed and inability to deloft, he struggles with spin consistency and gearing.
It's why he's always talking about
his equipment. After the round today, he's talking about his golf ball. After the PGA, it was his irons.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 20, 2025, 01:03:26 PMI saw someone that compared Scottie to Tim Duncan and I think it's spot on. He's mild mannered and won't blow you away with highlights like a Tiger would. But he's so much better at the basics than others that it feels boring watching him.
Also, Ted Scott doesn't get enough praise for how he's helped Scottie's mental game. I think that's a big part of the domination we are seeing.
Good for Ted. Dealing with Bubba Watson for years had to be challenging.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 20, 2025, 01:03:26 PMI saw someone that compared Scottie to Tim Duncan and I think it's spot on. He's mild mannered and won't blow you away with highlights like a Tiger would. But he's so much better at the basics than others that it feels boring watching him.
Also, Ted Scott doesn't get enough praise for how he's helped Scottie's mental game. I think that's a big part of the domination we are seeing.
I think the Duncan comparison is a good one. I would imagine fans thought Palmer was more exciting than Nicklaus. People said Sorenstam was boring as well. Winning golf is meant to look boring.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 20, 2025, 01:05:29 PMIt's the nature of his swing. Bryson doesn't deloft to the degree his fellow pros do. It's why his clubs are so strong lofted. And, given his speed and inability to deloft, he struggles with spin consistency and gearing.
It's why he's always talking about
his equipment. After the round today, he's talking about his golf ball. After the PGA, it was his irons.
He'll only win an Open if the weather is the way it was the last 3 days.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 01:08:55 PMWinning golf is meant to look boring.
I think we found the PGA's new advertising motto.
Watching the recap and seeing pundits try and put into words what Scottie is doing right now. They don't want to say Tiger-like but the way he is winning majors is Tiger-like by vaporizing the field.
The best players can do that. I think the comparison is apt and isn't hyperbole. Considering he lost a portion of the early season, this season could have been even better and it's still wildly great.
He isn't Tiger in personality or demeanor. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably better for Scottie. But he is doing Tiger stuff.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 05:12:45 PMWatching the recap and seeing pundits try and put into words what Scottie is doing right now. They don't want to say Tiger-like but the way he is winning majors is Tiger-like by vaporizing the field.
The best players can do that. I think the comparison is apt and isn't hyperbole. Considering he lost a portion of the early season, this season could have been even better and it's still wildly great.
He isn't Tiger in personality or demeanor. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably better for Scottie. But he is doing Tiger stuff.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 05:12:45 PMWatching the recap and seeing pundits try and put into words what Scottie is doing right now. They don't want to say Tiger-like but the way he is winning majors is Tiger-like by vaporizing the field.
The best players can do that. I think the comparison is apt and isn't hyperbole. Considering he lost a portion of the early season, this season could have been even better and it's still wildly great.
He isn't Tiger in personality or demeanor. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably better for Scottie. But he is doing Tiger stuff.
Is the game deeper now or during the Tiger era?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 06:16:25 PMIs the game deeper now or during the Tiger era?
Deeper now. Tiger probably wins more majors if drivers don't turn into frying pans and the ball doesn't become a springboard
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 06:18:38 PMDeeper now. Tiger probably wins more majors if drivers don't turn into frying pans and the ball doesn't become a springboard
He probably wins 25 if not for some personal issues.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 06:22:45 PMHe probably wins 25 if not for some personal issues.
That, too.
He had such a big advantage over everyone else before the equipment advances because of his power and iron play
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 06:28:13 PMThat, too.
He had such a big advantage over everyone else before the equipment advances because of his power and iron play
Agreed. I didn't play or follow golf as much during his career but you could tell immediately he was on a completely different level. And I was a teenager. Scheffy doesn't strike me quite that way, but at the same time his A game is dominant. Truthfully he could have easily been -27 this tournament.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 05:12:45 PMWatching the recap and seeing pundits try and put into words what Scottie is doing right now. They don't want to say Tiger-like but the way he is winning majors is Tiger-like by vaporizing the field.
The best players can do that. I think the comparison is apt and isn't hyperbole. Considering he lost a portion of the early season, this season could have been even better and it's still wildly great.
He isn't Tiger in personality or demeanor. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably better for Scottie. But he is doing Tiger stuff.
I agree with every word of this ... and yet I am still kinda bored watching him.
Then again, maybe I'm just bored when he wins going away. If a couple of others also were playing crazy-good golf - forcing him to make great shots down the stretch to keep pace - I wouldn't be bored at all.
None of that is his "fault," obviously, nor is it bad in any way that his personality is what it is.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 06:22:45 PMHe probably wins 25 if not for some personal issues.
That and insisting on doing Navy Seal training. I think that might have contributed to his ACL in 2008, which kind of started the breakdown.
Quote from: MU82 on July 20, 2025, 06:59:57 PMI agree with every word of this ... and yet I am still kinda bored watching him.
Then again, maybe I'm just bored when he wins going away. If a couple of others also were playing crazy-good golf - forcing him to make great shots down the stretch to keep pace - I wouldn't be bored at all.
None of that is his "fault," obviously, nor is it bad in any way that his personality is what it is.
He went medieval for about 21 holes in round 2 and 3. That changes everything. My point is if someone was in legitimate striking distance, it would be far less "boring" from a competitive standpoint. Now maybe Tiger obliterating dudes was less boring, I'm just speculating, but I don't have any issues with dominance. When you inflict thanks for playing damage, it can lead to viewership ennui.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:41:17 PMHe went medieval for about 21 holes in round 2 and 3. That changes everything. My point is if someone was in legitimate striking distance, it would be far less "boring" from a competitive standpoint. Now maybe Tiger obliterating dudes was less boring, I'm just speculating, but I don't have any issues with dominance. When you inflict thanks for playing damage, it can lead to viewership ennui.
Dominance in winning titles is a sight to behold (assuming you're a fan of that player/team)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 07:57:28 PMDominance in winning titles is a sight to behold (assuming you're a fan of that player/team)
Exactly. Imagine how cool it would be if MU hoops suffocated their opponents, drilled open J's, attacked the rack, and won every game by 25+ points in route to 12 titles in 15 years? Would this be boring? I don't think so.
You would have your pantaloons in a pucker about the 3 MU didn't win.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 05:12:45 PMWatching the recap and seeing pundits try and put into words what Scottie is doing right now. They don't want to say Tiger-like but the way he is winning majors is Tiger-like by vaporizing the field.
The best players can do that. I think the comparison is apt and isn't hyperbole. Considering he lost a portion of the early season, this season could have been even better and it's still wildly great.
He isn't Tiger in personality or demeanor. I don't think that's a bad thing and probably better for Scottie. But he is doing Tiger stuff.
His presser before the tournament was illuminating and also incredibly thoughtful and eloquent. It wasn't the "I don't actually like golf" take that Koepka had a few years ago, but it was very "golf is amazing but there is more to life than winning tournaments" and how fleeting the feeling of satisfaction from success in golf is. Tiger was an absolute psycho about winning, being the best, etc... similar to someone like Michael Jordan.
That's not Scottie. He's an unreal talent, probably already one of the 20 best golfers of all time and he's not 30 years old yet. But he's never gonna get super high or super low. He doesn't seem to thrive off the scramble and crazy shot making. He just does everything so well cruises. Its fascinating stuff.
Highly recommend watching the whole 5 min. I think it encompasses a lot of what's been discussed here about him.
https://x.com/KylePorterNS/status/1945107140965728684 (https://x.com/KylePorterNS/status/1945107140965728684)
Quote from: tower912 on July 20, 2025, 09:20:16 PMYou would have your pantaloons in a pucker about the 3 MU didn't win.
I'd be upset, but would bounce back quickly.
Here's an amazing stat:
Since Sheffy has gone to the mallet putter, he's won at a clip of 38.2%. Small sample size, but still.
Speaking of Scottie and Tiger, one thing that was made a lot of was the effect that Tiger had on other golfers. Fear/nerves/anxiety/etc... when facing him in weekend rounds. While that became a joke when people mentioned it post 2018 or so, it was a real thing at his prime. Would have been interesting to watch that Tiger against Scottie cause Scottie is one of the few players who wouldn't be phased with his consistency and flat emotional range. Doesn't mean he'd be beating Tiger, but I don't think he would wilt like others did.
It will be interesting to see Scottie's longevity. Spieth and Rory have had years like this and have fallen off a bit (or a lot). Even a guy like Justin Thomas had a big 2017.
What's the stat on World Number 1? Is it something like Scottie would need to be Number one for 10 years straight to catch Tiger? He was so good for so long, it's kind of tough to remember the span in between his injuries and the last decade.
However, Scottie just seems so skilled as a ball striker that as long as he's an average putter, he's going to be at the top quite a bit.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 21, 2025, 10:08:04 AMIt will be interesting to see Scottie's longevity. Spieth and Rory have had years like this and have fallen off a bit (or a lot). Even a guy like Justin Thomas had a big 2017.
What's the stat on World Number 1? Is it something like Scottie would need to be Number one for 10 years straight to catch Tiger? He was so good for so long, it's kind of tough to remember the span in between his injuries and the last decade.
However, Scottie just seems so skilled as a ball striker that as long as he's an average putter, he's going to be at the top quite a bit.
This is well beyond any hot streak that Spieth, Jason Day, DJ or Justin Thomas has had. Even better than the best of Rory (2010-2014).
In the last 5 years in majors, Scottie has 4 wins, 11 Tops 10, and only one miss cut. Also, add in back-to-back Players in '23 & '24.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 21, 2025, 10:08:04 AMIt will be interesting to see Scottie's longevity. Spieth and Rory have had years like this and have fallen off a bit (or a lot). Even a guy like Justin Thomas had a big 2017.
I think the difference is Scottie has been on a consistent upwards trajectory for a decade. Spieth was a prodigy who exploded onto the scene at 22 and then struggled with consistency. Rory, similarly, winning tournaments at 21, 4 majors by 25, all of golf chasing him super young.
Scottie was an unreal Junior golfer, a very good college golfer, but had back injuries which may have been a blessing in disguise. Played 4 years of golf at UT (didn't leave early and turn pro super young like others), then went to the Korn Ferry (not straight to the PGA) and dominated there. Then was PGA ROY but didn't win his first year. Then 2022 he caught fire. But its not just this year. He won a major in 2022, didn't win in 2023 but had 2 Top 3s and a Top 10, won the Masters last year and 2 more major Top 10s, and then he's had this monster 2025. Much like his game on the course, his career has been consistency too.
I was never the biggest fan, but Ive come to really like him cause he's so open and honest and refreshing and as "normal" presenting as a superstar can be. He's hit balls at my BIL's facility in Dallas and called/scheduled the time himself and just listed his name as "Scott".
Very cool! I'm definitely rooting for him and appreciate the background on his rise.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 21, 2025, 10:34:42 AMI think the difference is Scottie has been on a consistent upwards trajectory for a decade. Spieth was a prodigy who exploded onto the scene at 22 and then struggled with consistency. Rory, similarly, winning tournaments at 21, 4 majors by 25, all of golf chasing him super young.
Scottie was an unreal Junior golfer, a very good college golfer, but had back injuries which may have been a blessing in disguise. Played 4 years of golf at UT (didn't leave early and turn pro super young like others), then went to the Korn Ferry (not straight to the PGA) and dominated there. Then was PGA ROY but didn't win his first year. Then 2022 he caught fire. But its not just this year. He won a major in 2022, didn't win in 2023 but had 2 Top 3s and a Top 10, won the Masters last year and 2 more major Top 10s, and then he's had this monster 2025. Much like his game on the course, his career has been consistency too.
I was never the biggest fan, but Ive come to really like him cause he's so open and honest and refreshing and as "normal" presenting as a superstar can be. He's hit balls at my BIL's facility in Dallas and called/scheduled the time himself and just listed his name as "Scott".
Rory is an interesting comp, because he was definitely Scottie-like after winning his 4th major in 2014.
I always believed Rory's career "stalling" at majors was losing the summer of '15. Missed the US Open at Chambers and Open at St. Andrews and first event back was Whistling Straits. Those courses were built for him. I believe he gets at least one of those and the major trajectory is different. Before the injury, Rory lurking meant Rory winning to many pundits.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 21, 2025, 10:34:42 AMI think the difference is Scottie has been on a consistent upwards trajectory for a decade. Spieth was a prodigy who exploded onto the scene at 22 and then struggled with consistency. Rory, similarly, winning tournaments at 21, 4 majors by 25, all of golf chasing him super young.
Scottie was an unreal Junior golfer, a very good college golfer, but had back injuries which may have been a blessing in disguise. Played 4 years of golf at UT (didn't leave early and turn pro super young like others), then went to the Korn Ferry (not straight to the PGA) and dominated there. Then was PGA ROY but didn't win his first year. Then 2022 he caught fire. But its not just this year. He won a major in 2022, didn't win in 2023 but had 2 Top 3s and a Top 10, won the Masters last year and 2 more major Top 10s, and then he's had this monster 2025. Much like his game on the course, his career has been consistency too.
I was never the biggest fan, but Ive come to really like him cause he's so open and honest and refreshing and as "normal" presenting as a superstar can be. He's hit balls at my BIL's facility in Dallas and called/scheduled the time himself and just listed his name as "Scott".
Lots of good observations here, Wags. "Normal" (or at least normal seeming) is a very good description, better than my use of "boring."
It will be interesting to see going forward if there's the kind of intimidating "Tiger Effect" when it comes to Scottie. (As you alluded to, the only Scooper who was still talking about the Tiger Effect the last decade was the deceased Bill Cosby Roofie fan, 9-9-9.)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2025, 10:45:16 AMRory is an interesting comp, because he was definitely Scottie-like after winning his 4th major in 2014.
I always believed Rory's career "stalling" at majors was losing the summer of '15. Missed the US Open at Chambers and Open at St. Andrews and first event back was Whistling Straits. Those courses were built for him. I believe he gets at least one of those and the major trajectory is different. Before the injury, Rory lurking meant Rory winning to many pundits.
Yea, I think Rory was burdened by the psychological aspect of the majors after that point. Cause in between his last PGA and the Masters this year, Rory won 30 times between the PGA and Euro tours. Whereas Spieth has won twice in 8 years since his last major.
It remains to be seen, but I think there is that differing in psychology/perspective to Scottie that makes him wired different and less prone to that than Rory, though it makes him a less compelling/exciting watch.
Getting way ahead of ourselves, but I'll honestly be shocked if Scottie doesn't get to 10 majors at least. He's shockingly consistent, is a big guy so doesn't need body-damaging torque to get distance, and he's not even 30. Arnie won 6 of his 7 after 30. Watson 6 of 8. Jack 11 of 18.
Koepka won 4 majors between 2017 (when he had just turned 27) and 2019. In other words, 4 at the same stage of his career as Scheffler right now. Although McIlroy was named player of the year in 2019, it was Koepka who finished in the top-4 of all 4 majors (including a win in the PGA).
Between 2014 and 2021, Koepka also had 12 other top-10 finishes in majors (including 6 top-5s). In addition, he won the 2019 World Golf Championship.
He wasn't as consistently good as Scheffler is, with more missed cuts and fewer top-10s in non-majors, but he clearly was able to "gear up" for majors as well as if not better than anybody in golf's Post-Tiger/Pre-LIV stretch.
So that's a fairly good comp for where Scheffler is now IMHO.
Of course, Scheffler probably isn't gonna bolt the tour for blood money, a move that began Koepka's fall from greatness. Though Koepka did win the 2023 PGA Championship and finish second in that year's Masters, he otherwise has been pedestrian at best. He missed the cut in 3 of this year's majors.
Quote from: MU82 on July 21, 2025, 12:22:57 PMKoepka won 4 majors between 2017 (when he had just turned 27) and 2019. In other words, 4 at the same stage of his career as Scheffler right now. Although McIlroy was named player of the year in 2019, it was Koepka who finished in the top-4 of all 4 majors (including a win in the PGA).
Between 2014 and 2021, Koepka also had 12 other top-10 finishes in majors (including 6 top-5s). In addition, he won the 2019 World Golf Championship.
He wasn't as consistently good as Scheffler is, with more missed cuts and fewer top-10s in non-majors, but he clearly was able to "gear up" for majors as well as if not better than anybody in golf's Post-Tiger/Pre-LIV stretch.
So that's a fairly good comp for where Scheffler is now IMHO.
Of course, Scheffler probably isn't gonna bolt the tour for blood money, a move that began Koepka's fall from greatness. Though Koepka did win the 2023 PGA Championship and finish second in that year's Masters, he otherwise has been pedestrian at best. He missed the cut in 3 of this year's majors.
Koepka got hurt. When he injured his knee, he kept trying to play through it. Also lost his confidence in his game. All things Scottie will have to avoid, too.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2025, 12:26:40 PMKoepka got hurt. When he injured his knee, he kept trying to play through it. Also lost his confidence in his game. All things Scottie will have to avoid, too.
Excellent point, both about Koepka and Scheffler. Injuries are a wild card for any athlete. Or even any golfer - ha!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2025, 12:26:40 PMKoepka got hurt. When he injured his knee, he kept trying to play through it. Also lost his confidence in his game. All things Scottie will have to avoid, too.
Yeah. Koepka was already struggling before the move to LIV. It made sense for him to get his money if he was starting to slide. However, he has worked his way back to be better in the majors at least.
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Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2025, 01:10:36 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwTugAHWwAAo1NJ?format=jpg&name=medium)
I'm sure he put down significant cash on that prediction.
The question right now is staying power. All of the recently referenced players had streaks where they were the next Tiger. Injuries affected Spieth, Rory, Brooksie. Marriage and family affect outlooks and practice schedules, too. A year ago, the question was whether Xander had supplanted Scottie. He, too, got injured. As did Scottie, for that matter.
Right now, Scottie looks like he is really good at compartmentalization. And, right now, he is unimpressed with the trappings of fame. He isn't out chasing every dollar or every skirt.
Good for him. And good for golf. It gives every other players something to aim for. And I love his footwork. I completely understand the physics of it. Most of it happens after impact.
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Poor Phil. One of golf's great showmen voluntarily choosing to LIV out of the spotlight.
And I was a huge fan.
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2025, 01:22:13 PMPoor Phil. One of golf's great showmen voluntarily choosing to LIV out of the spotlight.
And I was a huge fan.
Not sure Phil's creditors would agree that it is voluntary.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 21, 2025, 01:43:27 PMNot sure Phil's creditors would agree that it is voluntary.
Just curious which young players he's bringing home for Amy nowadays
Another thing about Scottie. It isn't that long ago that he was recorded having a screaming match on the range with his swing coach. It doesn't take much to lose that last 2% that separates him right now from the other elite players.
Quote from: tower912 on July 21, 2025, 01:18:11 PMThe question right now is staying power. All of the recently referenced players had streaks where they were the next Tiger. Injuries affected Spieth, Rory, Brooksie. Marriage and family affect outlooks and practice schedules, too. A year ago, the question was whether Xander had supplanted Scottie. He, too, got injured. As did Scottie, for that matter.
Right now, Scottie looks like he is really good at compartmentalization. And, right now, he is unimpressed with the trappings of fame. He isn't out chasing every dollar or every skirt.
Good for him. And good for golf. It gives every other players something to aim for. And I love his footwork. I completely understand the physics of it. Most of it happens after impact.
This is spot on. Things can change quickly with golf. I thought perhaps the floodgates would open after Rory won the Masters. Now all that said, statistically Scheffy is doing some ridiculous things. He's not prone to meltdowns or inane decisions. That's why his 1st fairway bunker shot on #8 yesterday was so surprising. Also, who are his most likely challengers to take over the game right now? Rory? Bryson? Xander? I don't trust Rahm.
Who would you pick for 🇺🇸 Ryder Cup? I'm not really a fan of a playing captain unless he's an auto qualifier.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 21, 2025, 07:23:01 PMWho would you pick for 🇺🇸 Ryder Cup? I'm not really a fan of a playing captain unless he's an auto qualifier.
Doesn't matter. Team Europe going to rout them
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2025, 07:47:06 PMDoesn't matter. Team Europe going to rout them
We could have some problems. Our newcomers and depth is a big question mark.