It appears that MU is going to put 0 (Markus), 22 (Jerel), and ?? (Crean) (03?) into the rafters this year. Discuss.
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1937556331117900286
Good. Remember the names. Leave the numbers for future use.
As I look more closely, I see that they reference, "Jersey Retirement" for Markus and Jerel, but state, "Banner Recognition" for Crean. Not entirely sure what that will look like for TC - likely something along the lines of what they have for Al and Hank Raymonds.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on Today at 12:08:36 PMAs I look more closely, I see that they reference, "Jersey Retirement" for Markus and Jerel, but state, "Banner Recognition" for Crean. Not entirely sure what that will look like for TC - likely something along the lines of what they have for Al and Hank Raymonds.
It looks like this
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Quote from: StillAWarrior on Today at 12:08:36 PMAs I look more closely, I see that they reference, "Jersey Retirement" for Markus and Jerel, but state, "Banner Recognition" for Crean. Not entirely sure what that will look like for TC - likely something along the lines of what they have for Al and Hank Raymonds.
Image of a guy in a dobok kicking a soccer ball
Markus's jersey should've been raised right from the easel it sat on during his Senior Day.
Now do 11.
Again.
Boomers aghast
I like the idea of separating into jersey retirement and banner recognition.
In an old post I suggested splitting into numbers and jerseys. Just rename my categories below.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 18, 2024, 10:21:03 AMI wouldn't mind a two-tier system where a select few have the number retired and the rest have their jerseys retired to honor more of that second tier of people. I'd consider something along the lines of:
Number: Wade (3), Lee (15), Chones (22), Thompson (24), Ellis (31), McGuire (77)
Jersey: Howard (0), Miller (10), Kolek/Apollo (11), Meminger (14), Lucas (20), McNeal (22), Doc (31), Crowder/Lazar (32), Diener/McIlvaine/Smith (34), Weingart (38), Tatum (43), Raymonds (HANK)
They should do it for Terry Rand. All American that lead Marquette to its first tournament appearance (E8) and its first NIT. We retired Kojis' jersey for less
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 12:20:24 PMThey should do it for Terry Rand. All American that lead Marquette to its first tournament appearance (E8) and its first NIT. We retired Kojis' jersey for less
Kojis is better than any player that has played at Marquette since 1978
Very nice to see this. Hope all three ceremonies don't get crammed into one game.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on Today at 12:08:36 PMAs I look more closely, I see that they reference, "Jersey Retirement" for Markus and Jerel, but state, "Banner Recognition" for Crean. Not entirely sure what that will look like for TC - likely something along the lines of what they have for Al and Hank Raymonds.
People in inflatable sumo wrester suits on 4-wheel RVs.
Do Crean's during the Maryland game.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on Today at 12:05:11 PMIt appears that MU is going to put 0 (Markus), 22 (Jerel), and ?? (Crean) (03?) into the rafters this year. Discuss.
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1937556331117900286
Hauser's writing a letter to the university requesting they not retire Markus' number.
Great to see........happy for all 3 of them.
If there's one thing Tom Crean loved, it was hanging banners. Very apropo.
Edit: hanging, not happening (stupid autocorrect!)
A well deserved recognition for each. Hope that each gets their own day/celebration though.
What players do we think show up to celebrate Crean? Wade, Deiner, Novak, Chapman, Fitzgerald sure. But do guys like McNeal Wes Dom Lazar and Cubillion celebrate him or feel abandoned by him?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 01:05:48 PMWhat players do we think show up to celebrate Crean? Wade, Deiner, Novak, Chapman, Fitzgerald sure. But do guys like McNeal Wes Dom Lazar and Cubillion celebrate him or feel abandoned by him?
I think fences were mended long ago with most if not all of those guys.
Quote from: MuMark on Today at 01:09:42 PMI think fences were mended long ago with most if not all of those guys.
Idk Lazar might still feel ghosted
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 01:05:48 PMWhat players do we think show up to celebrate Crean? Wade, Deiner, Novak, Chapman, Fitzgerald sure. But do guys like McNeal Wes Dom Lazar and Cubillion celebrate him or feel abandoned by him?
Those guys are nearly 40. I would hope they would have greater perspective on life than still being pissed that their college coach left for a different job.
Since Marquette has decided to retire more jerseys, I'm happy for Coach Crean, Jeral and Markus. My position on Markus is well known to regular Scoop readers so, suffice to say, it's well documented.
Perhaps with the new retirements, it shows a continuation of the line from Kojis to McGuire to Rivers and Wade to the recent past and today. I'm looking forward to Tyler and Oso's future jersey retirement too.
Of the three banners, I'm most pleased about Coach Crean. I've mellowed over the years on Coach. Time tends to do that. While I know he left Marquette under less than ideal circumstances (though far better than the Buzzard), he recruited arguably the greatest Warrior of all time in DWade.
For a shining moment, Coach Crean gave us a taste of what life used to be like at Marquette. He proved to us that with the combination of the right coaching and talent, we could again be a Top 5 team in the country. Had Coach Crean stayed, I believe he could have sustained a level of excellence to which we desperately wanted at Marquette.
Yes, Coach Crean was transformative. Coach Buzzard built off that transformation. That's why Coach Crean belongs in the rafters.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on Today at 12:49:00 PMA well deserved recognition for each. Hope that each gets their own day/celebration though.
They could have Crean's during the (diet) Pepsi Challenge.
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 01:12:18 PMThose guys are nearly 40. I would hope they would have greater perspective on life than still being pissed that their college coach left for a different job.
Also, many were present when Crean was inducted into the M Club Hall of Fame.
Quote from: We R Final Four on Today at 01:23:17 PMThey could have Crean's during the (diet) Pepsi Challenge.
Diet Pepsi challenge? I'm in.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 01:05:48 PMWhat players do we think show up to celebrate Crean? Wade, Deiner, Novak, Chapman, Fitzgerald sure. But do guys like McNeal Wes Dom Lazar and Cubillion celebrate him or feel abandoned by him?
Was it feeling "abandoned" or more blindsided when John Harbaugh went on Bloomington radio and said it was happening before Crean could tell the players? IIRC (and it's been a long time) Wes confronted Crean about how they found out, which wasn't Crean's intent and TC was pissed off at his BIL for leaking it.
I was dumped by an ex girlfriend 35 years ago. I am still bitter about how it went down.
Yup, sounds about the same.
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 01:12:18 PMThose guys are nearly 40. I would hope they would have greater perspective on life than still being pissed that their college coach left for a different job.
I could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone, players or fans, being upset that he left for IU.
I do remember a lot of pissed people about
the way he left.
I was pissed about how it went down, but it was not unforgivable and I moved on fairly quickly.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on Today at 01:28:45 PMI could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone, players or fans, being upset that he left for IU.
I do remember a lot of pissed people about the way he left.
I was pissed about how it went down, but it was not unforgivable and I moved on fairly quickly.
I moved on about a month after Crean's inevitable firing. Was rooting for him at Georgia, but not Indiana.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on Today at 01:28:45 PMI could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone, players or fans, being upset that he left for IU.
I do remember a lot of pissed people about the way he left.
I was pissed about how it went down, but it was not unforgivable and I moved on fairly quickly.
I read somewhere that his BIL publicly spoke about the new position before Crean had a chance to tell the team personally, but whether or not this is true, I do not know.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on Today at 02:02:42 PMI read somewhere that his BIL publicly spoke about the new position before Crean had a chance to tell the team personally, but whether or not this is true, I do not know.
That's what happened: John Harbaugh dropped it during an interview on an interview with a Bloomington or Indy station.
I don't think that this is very well thought through. We had 3 drafted seniors, on top 5-10 teams, who now need jersey retirements before 2028 and 2029.
When are they retiring John "Magic" Dawson's jersey
Quote from: jfp61 on Today at 02:38:37 PMI don't think that this is very well thought through. We had 3 drafted seniors, on top 5-10 teams, who now need jersey retirements before 2028 and 2029.
Why 3? I love Oso, but if he's getting one then so should Lazar, Dominic James, Travis Diener, Brian Wardle, Tony Smith, Wes Matthews, DJO, Steve Novak, Aaron Hutchins, Cordell Henry, Jim McIlvaine, Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder (he actually should) etc. And why before 2028 and 2029?
Quote from: jfp61 on Today at 02:38:37 PMI don't think that this is very well thought through. We had 3 drafted seniors, on top 5-10 teams, who now need jersey retirements before 2028 and 2029.
Are you suggesting that Marquette is going to retire Oso's and OMP's numbers? Because I can't see why for either. McNeal was at least the program's leading scorer at one point.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on Today at 12:19:53 PMBoomers aghast
Yup. 0 Conference Titles, 0 conference tournament titles, 0 conference tournament finals (1 Big East tournament win against a team with a .500 or better conference record) two NCAA tournament wins between the two players out of 8 seasons. Three top 25 AP finishes (all Jerel), and they were 20, 23 and 25. In both cases we had better four year stretches than any time they were here beginning the second season after they left. If these guys are all-time MU greats, why didn't they win more?
Seriously, I am happy for all getting inducted. Markus was a first team All-American, our all-time leading scorer and one of the top 20 Division I scorers of all time. He certainly deserves it. Jerel is our second leading all time scorer and a great defender.
One other point is that although Jerel scored a lot more points, I really don't think he was better than James or Matthews while they were here. If he was going to go in, I would have liked to see all three of them get their jerseys retired together. I guess since jersey digits higher than 5 are now allowed, we can retire more numbers without running out.
Quote from: wadesworld on Today at 03:07:00 PMWhy 3? I love Oso, but if he's getting one then so should Lazar, Dominic James, Travis Diener, Brian Wardle, Tony Smith, Wes Matthews, DJO, Steve Novak, Aaron Hutchins, Cordell Henry, Jim McIlvaine, Jimmy Butler, Jae Crowder (he actually should) etc. And why before 2028 and 2029?
My point is markus feels expedited.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 01:05:48 PMWhat players do we think show up to celebrate Crean? Wade, Deiner, Novak, Chapman, Fitzgerald sure. But do guys like McNeal Wes Dom Lazar and Cubillion celebrate him or feel abandoned by him?
I spoke with Jerel at a Marquette NYC Circles event during the BET 2024. Mike Broeker has been his soundboard for a very long time and the university means a lot to him. I'd be very surprised if he no showed.
Quote from: CTWarrior on Today at 03:21:46 PMYup. 0 Conference Titles, 0 conference tournament titles, 0 conference tournament finals (1 Big East tournament win against a team with a .500 or better conference record) two NCAA tournament wins between the two players out of 8 seasons. Three top 25 AP finishes (all Jerel), and they were 20, 23 and 25. In both cases we had better four year stretches than any time they were here beginning the second season after they left. If these guys are all-time MU greats, why didn't they win more?
Seriously, I am happy for all getting inducted. Markus was a first team All-American, our all-time leading scorer and one of the top 20 Division I scorers of all time. He certainly deserves it. Jerel is our second leading all time scorer and a great defender.
One other point is that although Jerel scored a lot more points, I really don't think he was better than James or Matthews while they were here. If he was going to go in, I would have liked to see all three of them get their jerseys retired together. I guess since jersey digits higher than 5 are now allowed, we can retire more numbers without running out.
The jerseys are being retired not the numbers. Markus and Jerel had stellar careers, so they are deserving. As one of the original boomers, I am not aghast at TC being honored. He brought the program back after Deane took it down to Krunti Hester level, recruited DWade, was only the 2nd MU coach to get to the F4 and was instrumental in MU successfully getting The Al funded and built while helping getting MU in position to get into the BE.
Quote from: CTWarrior on Today at 03:21:46 PMYup. 0 Conference Titles, 0 conference tournament titles, 0 conference tournament finals (1 Big East tournament win against a team with a .500 or better conference record) two NCAA tournament wins between the two players out of 8 seasons. Three top 25 AP finishes (all Jerel), and they were 20, 23 and 25. In both cases we had better four year stretches than any time they were here beginning the second season after they left. If these guys are all-time MU greats, why didn't they win more?
Seriously, I am happy for all getting inducted. Markus was a first team All-American, our all-time leading scorer and one of the top 20 Division I scorers of all time. He certainly deserves it. Jerel is our second leading all time scorer and a great defender.
One other point is that although Jerel scored a lot more points, I really don't think he was better than James or Matthews while they were here. If he was going to go in, I would have liked to see all three of them get their jerseys retired together. I guess since jersey digits higher than 5 are now allowed, we can retire more numbers without running out.
Thank you
Not a fan of this, but I'll survive. If you were starting an all-time great MU team, where would you draft Markus?
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 04:16:43 PMNot a fan of this, but I'll survive. If you were starting an all-time great MU team, where would you draft Markus?
Where would I draft the guy who shot 43% from 3 on 8 attempts per game for his career in today's game? A 2 time consensus All American? A Big East Player of the Year? The leading scorer in the history of the Big East (think about that)? One who would've had at least 2 more games to add to that total had COVID not shut the season down? Pretty dang high.
All time leading MU scorer, all time leading Big East scorer. Pretty high.
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 04:16:43 PMNot a fan of this, but I'll survive. If you were starting an all-time great MU team, where would you draft Markus?
What???
Quote from: CTWarrior on Today at 03:21:46 PMYup. 0 Conference Titles, 0 conference tournament titles, 0 conference tournament finals (1 Big East tournament win against a team with a .500 or better conference record) two NCAA tournament wins between the two players out of 8 seasons. Three top 25 AP finishes (all Jerel), and they were 20, 23 and 25. In both cases we had better four year stretches than any time they were here beginning the second season after they left. If these guys are all-time MU greats, why didn't they win more?
Seriously, I am happy for all getting inducted. Markus was a first team All-American, our all-time leading scorer and one of the top 20 Division I scorers of all time. He certainly deserves it. Jerel is our second leading all time scorer and a great defender.
One other point is that although Jerel scored a lot more points, I really don't think he was better than James or Matthews while they were here. If he was going to go in, I would have liked to see all three of them get their jerseys retired together. I guess since jersey digits higher than 5 are now allowed, we can retire more numbers without running out.
Travis and Tony Miller should be raised up there first.
I guess the rafters are for all time really goods now.
I would take Markus over either. Maybe not Jerel.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 05:40:03 PMTravis and Tony Miller should be raised up there first.
I guess the rafters are for all time really goods now.
I would take Markus over both. Tony Miller?
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 06:00:52 PMI would take Markus over both. Tony Miller?
Our all time assist leader, that record will never be broken. 8th most in NCAA history and he played in fewer games that all of those ahead of him). Also led us to the Sweet 16 and out of the basketball wilderness.
Travis would have broken George's all-time scoring record if he hadn't gotten injured and missed the final 8 (and possibly more) games of the season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 07:10:58 PMOur all time assist leader, that record will never be broken. 8th most in NCAA history and he played in fewer games that all of those ahead of him). Also led us to the Sweet 16 and out of the basketball wilderness.
Travis would have broken George's all-time scoring record if he hadn't gotten injured and missed the final 8 (and possibly more) games of the season. He had some decent tourney success too
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on Today at 07:10:58 PMOur all time assist leader, that record will never be broken. 8th most in NCAA history and he played in fewer games that all of those ahead of him). Also led us to the Sweet 16 and out of the basketball wilderness.
Travis would have broken George's all-time scoring record if he hadn't gotten injured and missed the final 8 (and possibly more) games of the season.
Yes, we should retire the number of the three time second team all Great Midwest, Tony Miller before we retire the number of a consensus all American, all time Big East leading scorer, Markus Howard.
Look, I love Miller. But he was a limited scoring point guard whose legend is bigger in a certain era of Marquette fandom out of nostalgia more than anything else.
Let's retire every jersey so as to be inclusive
Congrats to all 3, their contributions to Marquette basketball are everlasting.
Imagine the offensive firepower if you drafted a team of
TyKo at the 1
Markus at the 2
Wade at the 3
Novak at the 4
Crowder at the 5
Tyler could get 25 assists per game on that team
Quote from: Jay Bee on Today at 08:26:40 PMLet's retire every jersey so as to be inclusive
Your pickleball jersey should go in the rafters of every sports arena in the world.