If he really made $28 million in NIL money, why is he going to the NBA?
Does he take a pay cut, even as the first pick?
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The Duke star had at least $28 million in NIL deals during his time in Durham, longtime journalist Howard Bryant shared in a conversation with Bob Costas at the 92nd Street Y in New York City.
That $28 million figure is only based on Flagg's deals with New Balance and Fanatics. Flagg earned a $13 million deal with New Balance while his Fanatics deal is worth $15 million, according to Bryant.
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/how-much-money-did-cooper-flagg-make-nil-during-his-one-year-duke
Also, is this why MU lost on Kon? They were outbid? And the rest of the Kneuppel boys are $75M in college Basketball to land them?
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 12:56:10 PMIf he really made $28 million in NIL money, why is he going to the NBA?
Does he take a pay cut, even as the first pick?
First Pick in the draft signs actually Name image and likeness deals with a major shoe companing and a major sporting good company 1 year earlier than he would have normally.
Both those deals will continue or be increased when he enters the NBA so it is not a pay cut.
Quote from: MarqBB77-03 on June 02, 2025, 01:06:52 PMBoth those deals will continue or be increased when he enters the NBA so it is not a pay cut.
Isn't the same true if he returned to Duke?
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 12:56:10 PMIf he really made $28 million in NIL money, why is he going to the NBA?
Does he take a pay cut, even as the first pick?
LOL, the deals with New Balance and Fanatics are multi-year deals. So no...he will still be signed with them AND be cashing an NBA check.
And will be one step closer to making the bigger bucks with future contract extensions.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 01:09:57 PMIsn't the same true if he returned to Duke?
Duke wouldn't be paying him potentially $65 million a year by 2029-30 as he likely will get after his first contract extension.
Masterclass
New Balance are perceived as old man shoes so both sides will make a killing.
Good for him. I hope he hooked up with a sound financial advisor who doesn't try to time or foment chaos in order to make more money for him.
Do you think he knows he has to pay taxes?
I thought I read last summer/fall that Duke wasn't actually paying him, instead leveraging their connections to get him huge endorsement deals early.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 12:58:09 PMAlso, is this why MU lost on Kon? They were outbid? And the rest of the Kneuppel boys are $75M in college Basketball to land them?
No. Duke wasn't the highest bidder for Kon anyway, and I don't recall seeing Kon on multiple nationwide commercials all year long like we did with Flagg.
Quote from: tower912 on June 02, 2025, 03:29:12 PMI thought I read last summer/fall that Duke wasn't actually paying him, instead leveraging their connections to get him huge endorsement deals early.
makes sense, since they couldn't
The vast amount of whatever money he made was obviously from national contracts that he would have gotten no matter where he went to school.
Shoe and clothing contracts are legitimate commerce opportunities for a young superstar athlete .....not money funneled from boosters.
Ps this has nothing to do with Kon.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 02, 2025, 03:37:20 PMmakes sense, since they couldn't
(Right hand pumping motion)
Quote from: tower912 on June 02, 2025, 03:29:12 PMI thought I read last summer/fall that Duke wasn't actually paying him, instead leveraging their connections to get him huge endorsement deals early.
Exactly ... he's not getting $28 million in endorsement deals from any school.
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 03:57:54 PMExactly ... he's not getting $28 million in endorsement deals from any school.
Then this....
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 12:56:10 PMIf he really made $28 million in NIL money, why is he going to the NBA?
...is a pretty stupid question.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 02, 2025, 03:35:31 PMNo. Duke wasn't the highest bidder for Kon anyway, and I don't recall seeing Kon on multiple nationwide commercials all year long like we did with Flagg.
If he stayed another year at Duke, would he be this year's $28 million guy?
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 03:57:54 PMExactly ... he's not getting $28 million in endorsement deals from any school.
So these will be in addition to his #1 pick rookie contract. The young man is getting paid.
Masterclass
This may be the most stunningly stupid thread of all time. And yes, I have been on scoop for well over 10 years.
Quote from: jfp61 on June 02, 2025, 01:01:19 PMFirst Pick in the draft signs actually Name image and likeness deals with a major shoe companing and a major sporting good company 1 year earlier than he would have normally.
Bingo. And they're multi year deals, not a one year deal.
Plus he's leaving college now so he gets to his max deal asap.
Pretty simple for most people to grasp.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on June 02, 2025, 04:24:36 PMThis may be the most stunningly stupid thread of all time. And yes, I have been on scoop for well over 10 years.
This is just your average Heise thread.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 02, 2025, 09:44:46 PMBingo. And they're multi year deals, not a one year deal.
Plus he's leaving college now so he gets to his max deal asap.
Pretty simple for most people to grasp.
Bingo ... read the first sentence of the article
And I highlighted it for those like you who are challenged.
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The Duke star had
at least $28 million in NIL deals during his time in Durham, longtime journalist Howard Bryant shared in a conversation with Bob Costas at the 92nd Street Y in New York City.
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So, yes, it was a long-term deal ... at $28 million/year.
Hang this in the Scoop Louvre
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 03, 2025, 06:59:10 AMHang this in the Scoop Louvre
There are times where I question my whole existence solely bc Heisenberg (nee '84) has the same degree as I do.
How can people be this dumb?
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 12:56:10 PMIf he really made $28 million in NIL money, why is he going to the NBA?
Because he's now 1 year closer to making over 100 mil/year on his next contract w/ endorsements
Quote from: The Lens on June 03, 2025, 07:48:44 AMThere are times where I question my whole existence solely bc Heisenberg (nee '84) has the same degree as I do.
How can people be this dumb?
Don't be discouraged, just stay vigilant in the fight against ignorance
Let's get away from the Heisy silliness.
Since Kon was mentioned in this thread, what is the opinion here about him?
As a 6'5" non athletic player, where will he be drafted? He has one elite NBA skill. Is that enough to justify being a lottery pick? What position can he guard in the NBA?
I love Kon as a college player, but does anyone think he can be any more than a rotation guy in the NBA?
Quote from: Jockey on June 03, 2025, 10:23:10 AMLet's get away from the Heisy silliness.
Since Kon was mentioned in this thread, what is the opinion here about him?
As a 6'5" non athletic player, where will he be drafted? He has one elite NBA skill. Is that enough to justify being a lottery pick? What position can he guard in the NBA?
I love Kon as a college player, but does anyone think he can be any more than a rotation guy in the NBA?
Even if he's a rotation guy, he can have a long career. I view him similarly to Luke Kennard, who went 12th and just finished his eighth season in the league and signed for $17.5 million for the upcoming season
Kon is a decent athlete for the NBA. Not super athletic by any means, but he will be more than a simple spot shot maker. He's got good size.
The comp I have seen that makes the most sense is Bogdan Bogdanovic.
Quote from: Jockey on June 03, 2025, 10:23:10 AMLet's get away from the Heisy silliness.
Since Kon was mentioned in this thread, what is the opinion here about him?
As a 6'5" non athletic player, where will he be drafted? He has one elite NBA skill. Is that enough to justify being a lottery pick? What position can he guard in the NBA?
I love Kon as a college player, but does anyone think he can be any more than a rotation guy in the NBA?
You're vastly underrating his defensive abilities. He won't be a lockdown defender, but he's far from a traffic cone.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 03, 2025, 11:44:54 AMYou're vastly underrating his defensive abilities. He won't be a lockdown defender, but he's far from a traffic cone.
If he is solid on defense, he will be a starter in a couple years. I still need to be convinced on that, though. I'm pretty sure he can body up with guys, but can he play D in space (and, yes I realize there are a lot of guys in the NBA who can't).
Quote from: Heisenberg on June 02, 2025, 11:52:08 PMBingo ... read the first sentence of the article
And I highlighted it for those like you who are challenged.
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The Duke star had at least $28 million in NIL deals during his time in Durham, longtime journalist Howard Bryant shared in a conversation with Bob Costas at the 92nd Street Y in New York City.
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So, yes, it was a long-term deal ... at $28 million/year.
But again, the deals weren't contingent on him being in college. They're multiyear deals that will continue into his NBA career. And he probably was overpaid initially by companies seeking to establish long-term relationships with him.
So, the questions about taking a pay cut in the pros or why would he leave college are silly.
Times like this when you understand why people slow down driving past car accidents.
Quote from: The Lens on June 03, 2025, 07:48:44 AMThere are times where I question my whole existence solely bc Heisenberg (nee '84) has the same degree as I do.
How can people be this dumb?
It's a skill
It makes me sick to read about a college kid getting that much money. Something is terribly wrong.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 03, 2025, 05:13:19 PMIt makes me sick to read about a college kid getting that much money. Something is terribly wrong.
Why? He's making what the market bears just like the rest of us.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 03, 2025, 05:13:19 PMIt makes me sick to read about a college kid getting that much money. Something is terribly wrong.
Yeah, think how much Don Kojis should have gotten
Some would say Flagg is making money the traditional way.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 03, 2025, 05:35:59 PMSome would say Flagg is making money the traditional way.
It's what NIL was meant to be. Similar for Caitlin Clark when she was at Iowa: getting endorsement deals from legit companies.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 03, 2025, 05:13:19 PMIt makes me sick to read about a college kid getting that much money. Something is terribly wrong.
Me too. He should have gotten more.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 03, 2025, 05:13:19 PMIt makes me sick to read about a college kid getting that much money. Something is terribly wrong.
Actually, Flagg getting $28 million makes a lot more sense to me than a lot of NIL deals. As someone upthread said, this is just companies trying to get in on the ground floor of Cooper Flag, Inc. There's at least an argument to be made that it's an investment that might pay off. I assume that this is largely business people making business decisions. This makes far more sense to me than significant payments made by collectives that are simply fans hoping to buy players for their favorite program.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 04, 2025, 12:20:26 PMActually, Flagg getting $28 million makes a lot more sense to me than a lot of NIL deals. As someone upthread said, this is just companies trying to get in on the ground floor of Cooper Flag, Inc. There's at least an argument to be made that it's an investment that might pay off. I assume that this is largely business people making business decisions. This makes far more sense to me than significant payments made by collectives that are simply fans hoping to buy players for their favorite program.
And this is why I don't get Shaka's advice that players don't need agents. Cooper Flagg signed with CAA before he set foot on Duke's campus, and I doubt he would have been able to generate that much NIL on his own. I get that Shaka's view is that an agent isn't going help a player get more *from MU*. But that's only a part of the NIL picture--and the Cooper Flagg (and Caitlin Clark) example shows there is probably a lot more externally than from the school.
Granted, MU's players aren't going to be in line for $28 million in NIL, but they should be able to pitch themselves for
something beyond what they get from Be The Difference. An agent could solicit and vet offers from a host of local and regional businesses, and perhaps even put our players in play for some national deals.
Anyone know how much scrilla Justin got for pluggin Duck Nachos?
Quote from: The Equalizer on June 04, 2025, 12:45:11 PMAnd this is why I don't get Shaka's advice that players don't need agents. Cooper Flagg signed with CAA before he set foot on Duke's campus, and I doubt he would have been able to generate that much NIL on his own. I get that Shaka's view is that an agent isn't going help a player get more *from MU*. But that's only a part of the NIL picture--and the Cooper Flagg (and Caitlin Clark) example shows there is probably a lot more externally than from the school.
Granted, MU's players aren't going to be in line for $28 million in NIL, but they should be able to pitch themselves for something beyond what they get from Be The Difference. An agent could solicit and vet offers from a host of local and regional businesses, and perhaps even put our players in play for some national deals.
I can't believe we are doing this again. He never said that players don't need agents. He, in fact, encouraged Tyler to get one. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/27/marquettes-all-american-tyler-kolek-has-nil-deal-with-crocs-kim-kardashians-skims-priority-sports/73103618007/)
"During his first two seasons at MU, Kolek hustled up local business deals on his own. MU players also make money through the NIL collective Be The Difference.
But last summer, after a conversation with MU head coach Shaka Smart, Kolek decided to hire professional help for NIL deals. That allowed Kolek to keep more focus on basketball, or as Smart likes to say, "keep the main thing the main thing."
Quote from: The Equalizer on June 04, 2025, 12:45:11 PMAnd this is why I don't get Shaka's advice that players don't need agents. Cooper Flagg signed with CAA before he set foot on Duke's campus, and I doubt he would have been able to generate that much NIL on his own. I get that Shaka's view is that an agent isn't going help a player get more *from MU*. But that's only a part of the NIL picture--and the Cooper Flagg (and Caitlin Clark) example shows there is probably a lot more externally than from the school.
Granted, MU's players aren't going to be in line for $28 million in NIL, but they should be able to pitch themselves for something beyond what they get from Be The Difference. An agent could solicit and vet offers from a host of local and regional businesses, and perhaps even put our players in play for some national deals.
I don't think Shaka has anything against agents and I'm pretty sure he recommended some MU players get one due to having more deals to manage. I think it's strictly that hiring an agent to negotiate for more from MU's NIL fund is just throwing money down the drain.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 04, 2025, 12:51:09 PMI can't believe we are doing this again. He never said that players don't need agents. He, in fact, encouraged Tyler to get one. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/27/marquettes-all-american-tyler-kolek-has-nil-deal-with-crocs-kim-kardashians-skims-priority-sports/73103618007/)
Absolutely. The distinction here is what I used to think "NIL" deals were going to be before they were actually allowed (i.e., commercially viable transactions whereby businesses pay athletes to endorse products, services, etc.) and what many (most?) "NIL" deals have become (i.e., compensation for attending a particular institution).
I'd be inclined to agree that some players would absolutely benefit from having an agent to help them with the former (assuming that numbers will be enough to justify what is probably a 10-15%+ fee). I also totally understand why Shaka doesn't want to be dealing with agents regarding the latter.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 04, 2025, 12:51:09 PMI can't believe we are doing this again. He never said that players don't need agents. He, in fact, encouraged Tyler to get one. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2024/03/27/marquettes-all-american-tyler-kolek-has-nil-deal-with-crocs-kim-kardashians-skims-priority-sports/73103618007/)
"During his first two seasons at MU, Kolek hustled up local business deals on his own. MU players also make money through the NIL collective Be The Difference.
But last summer, after a conversation with MU head coach Shaka Smart, Kolek decided to hire professional help for NIL deals. That allowed Kolek to keep more focus on basketball, or as Smart likes to say, "keep the main thing the main thing."
Seems like a stretch to claim Shaka *encouraged* Kolek to sign with an agent.
All we know is that they had a conversation. We don't know if Shaka provided encouragement--or whether he tried hard to discourage Kolek.
But answer this--if you believe Shaka encourages players to sign an agent for outside NIL opportunity, why haven't they listened to him? Why only Kolek?
Quote from: The Equalizer on June 04, 2025, 06:33:22 PMSeems like a stretch to claim Shaka *encouraged* Kolek to sign with an agent.
All we know is that they had a conversation. We don't know if Shaka provided encouragement--or whether he tried hard to discourage Kolek.
I think you don't want to admit you were wrong about this because it seems pretty obvious to me.
Quote from: The Equalizer on June 04, 2025, 06:33:22 PMBut answer this--if you believe Shaka encourages players to sign an agent for outside NIL opportunity, why haven't they listened to him? Why only Kolek?
No other Marquette player has an agent? Or some sort of representative helping manage NIL? You sure about that?
Regardless, since most of them are likely primarily supported via NIL through BTD, it seems like having an agent doesn't make a lot of sense for some of them.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 04, 2025, 06:58:03 PMRegardless, since most of them are likely primarily supported via NIL through BTD, it seems like having an agent doesn't make a lot of sense for some of them.
Source?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 04, 2025, 08:23:59 PMSource?
For what? It was admittedly a speculation, but one I think is accurate.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 04, 2025, 08:23:59 PMSource?
Source that players receive NIL money from the BTD fund? You serious, Clark?
Players should ignore Shaka and hire agents for everything.
I don't think Shaka is trying to dupe kids or anything, but it's silly to suggest 17/18-year-old kids - or their untrained parents - should be negotiating their own deals. Even if the payment from MU is a flat fee, there are other elements in any deal to discuss (length, rights and responsibilities, out clauses, etc.).
Quote from: Pakuni on Today at 10:04:12 AMPlayers should ignore Shaka and hire agents for everything.
I don't Shaka is trying to dupe kids or anything, but it's silly to suggest 17/18-year-old kids - or their untrained parents - should be negotiating their own deals. Even if the payment from MU is a flat fee, there are other elements in any deal to discuss (length, rights and responsibilities, out clauses, etc.).
bull crap. all the kids need to do is find God and pray. Everything else will work out.
#AgentOfGod
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on June 03, 2025, 05:13:19 PMIt makes me sick to read about a college kid getting that much money. Something is terribly wrong.
I thought this was implied teal until I saw who wrote it.