With Parham coming off a fine freshman season, with a top-15 recruiting class signed, with Sheek committed, and with Shaka having a legit shot at a couple other nice 2026 recruits, I'm as bullish as ever on our program.
(I didn't even mention Lowery and Owens each potentially taking a next big step, though I probably should have.)
If everybody stays - as has been the uniquely Marquette case since the portal/NIL era started - and if the success rate of player development is even the average of what it has been during Shaka's tenure, our 2026-27 and 2027-28 teams could be really, really good.
I'm not throwing away next season's team, which I think is generally underrated here, but the slightly more long-term outlook seems especially promising to me.
We Are Marquette!
Agreed.
It's the exact reason why I'm not going to be particularly concerned if this year's squad is hanging around the bubble (I don't think this will be the case but obviously it's a possibility).
I also think the Portal Posse™ should take note that both Pearson and Johnston made it very clear that's Marquette's culture and approach to the portal were key reasons why they committed.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 13, 2025, 10:44:27 AMI also think the Portal Posse™ should take note that both Pearson and Johnston made it very clear that's Marquette's culture and approach to the portal were key reasons why they committed.
Both receiving $3M in NIL for saying that
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 13, 2025, 10:44:27 AMAgreed.
It's the exact reason why I'm not going to be particularly concerned if this year's squad is hanging around the bubble (I don't think this will be the case but obviously it's a possibility).
I also think the Portal Posse™ should take note that both Pearson and Johnston made it very clear that's Marquette's culture and approach to the portal were key reasons why they committed.
As did the 2025 recruits.
I think it still doesn't mean Shaka should steadfastly reject the portal entirely, and folks in the know here say he has been open to the "right" portal additions. But I actually like that Marquette can stand out as something different - even special - among the crowd.
I don't think a committment of a Top 80 and Top 150 kid validates the lack of Portal use. Those are typical MU recruits.
What will validate it, is consistent winning.
So far I think the results show Shaka's philosophy works.
Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2025, 10:27:47 AMWith Parham coming off a fine freshman season, with a top-15 recruiting class signed, with Sheek committed, and with Shaka having a legit shot at a couple other nice 2026 recruits, I'm as bullish as ever on our program.
(I didn't even mention Lowery and Owens each potentially taking a next big step, though I probably should have.)
If everybody stays - as has been the uniquely Marquette case since the portal/NIL era started - and if the success rate of player development is even the average of what it has been during Shaka's tenure, our 2026-27 and 2027-28 teams could be really, really good.
I'm not throwing away next season's team, which I think is generally underrated here, but the slightly more long-term outlook seems especially promising to me.
We Are Marquette!
With no portal, and non linear development an occasional step back will occur. This would be that year because I agree that the following years could be really good if everyone with eligibility sticks around.
It will be fun to watch the development this year. If Shaka gets them to the tournament somehow, even better.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on May 13, 2025, 02:15:06 PMWith no portal, and non linear development an occasional step back will occur.
Even with transfers, occasional step backs can occur (e.g., bad fit, injuries, whatever else..).. it's up to us as Scoopers to determine the underlying reasons for any step backs (e.g., bad portal / no portal philosophy; no "true point guard"; small neck size; no air craft carrier; improperly elite offense; etc.).
What strikes me is that Shaka's philosophy is resonating with recruits. Developing relationships. Focusing on growth and development of the players he recruits out of high school. Their acceptance that it is a process and they will have to do the work. And the trust in Shaka and his assistants.
Quote from: tower912 on May 13, 2025, 02:59:47 PMWhat strikes me is that Shaka's philosophy is resonating with recruits. Developing relationships. Focusing on growth and development of the players he recruits out of high school. Their acceptance that it is a process and they will have to do the work. And the trust in Shaka and his assistants.
Agree. And the recruits obviously interact with guys on the team and get the real lowdown on everything (including NIL reality at MU).
We just hit on two really big wins for 2026. Our 2025 class oozes potential. It's no secret Shaka is banking on growth for these teams--it is the lifeblood of what he does.
Love the talent he is bringing into the fold. The kids are buying into it. This plays more into the Brad Stevens wworld of "will this kid compete at all levels" and I love the kids we seem to get with that philosophy.
Quote from: tower912 on May 13, 2025, 02:59:47 PMWhat strikes me is that Shaka's philosophy is resonating with recruits. Developing relationships. Focusing on growth and development of the players he recruits out of high school. Their acceptance that it is a process and they will have to do the work. And the trust in Shaka and his assistants.
It apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Getting Pearson is a step in the right direction. My biggest qualm with Shaka's recruiting previously has been the lack of higher profile bigs and guys not panning out. Of course the jury is out on a couple of the current guys who I hope turn out to be solid MU players. I know top big men don't grow on trees and there's only so many. If Shaka can consistently get top 100 big men then I won't be clamoring for the portal much. Despite growing pains, it will be interesting to see which guys come out on top as far as production on the court.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMIt apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Shaka got the big names at Texas. It didn't go well.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMIt apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Let's start with the obvious: All of us, especially Shaka and the players - would like to win more NCAAT games and, ultimately, championships.
The way to have any shot at that is to make the NCAAT regularly and to score high seeds occasionally. Shaka has done that - 4-for-4 and 2-for-4 (yay). And I think most here agree that we had enough talent for deeper runs in '23 and '24 (yay), but unfortunately lost due to injury, poor shooting, etc (boo).
Not many here are claiming that recruit/develop/retain gives Marquette an "advantage." What many are saying is that it's worked pretty well so far (yay), that it is unique and could eventually prove advantageous, and that we're willing to be patient to see if it can be a long-term recipe for big-time success (yay).
I've said that the next 2-3 years will tell us a lot about whether Shaka's philosophy can be all that as it competes with more portal-oriented programs.
Personally, I've really enjoyed the vast majority of these last 4 seasons (yay), and I am excited about the future. Sorry if some Scoopers don't feel that way (boo).
I don't think highly ranked recruits are what Shaka is aiming for. I think his sweet spot is in the 50 -150 range. Probably feels they'll buy into the culture more readily. Not to say that if he found one within the top tier that he wouldn't recruit him.
He recruited Kon.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMIt apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Are you really sarcastically "yay'ing" two 2-seeds in 4 years?
One aspect of the portal that I hate is the lack of continuity of teams year to year. The reality is that the guys at Marquette who just graduated are likable guys. It was great to see them grow within Shaka's system and flourish. I really like knowing who the players are year-to-year. I think it makes a difference to MU fans that they recognize the faces and know who they are rooting for.
I love the grow and develop model. It may not bring us a championship but at least I know who the guys are when I watch games.
Quote from: The Thing on May 13, 2025, 07:18:48 PMOne aspect of the portal that I hate is the lack of continuity of teams year to year. The reality is that the guys at Marquette who just graduated are likable guys. It was great to see them grow within Shaka's system and flourish. I really like knowing who the players are year-to-year. I think it makes a difference to MU fans that they recognize the faces and know who they are rooting for.
I love the grow and develop model. It may not bring us a championship but at least I know who the guys are when I watch games.
To play devil's advocate, would adding 1-2 transfers who are the "right fit" for a season change that feeling for you?
Did adding Robert Jackson for one season make the 2002-03 team less likable in any way?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 13, 2025, 02:51:39 PMEven with transfers, occasional step backs can occur (e.g., bad fit, injuries, whatever else..).. .
The portal is like the sacrifice bunt in Baseball. "Why don't you just bunt the guy over a base to set up a base hit or fly ball to score a run?"
Everyone just assumes that the sac bunt is a forgone conclusion and 100% successful every time. But it is much harder to complete successfully than we think.
Same with the portal. "Just go out a sign a big or shooter or whatever and we will have a deep run in the tourney." But there are plenty of examples out there that show that it doesn't always work successfully and is much more difficult than it appears.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on May 13, 2025, 08:16:09 PMThe portal is like the sacrifice bunt in Baseball. "Why don't you just bunt the guy over a base to set up a base hit or fly ball to score a run?"
Everyone just assumes that the sac bunt is a forgone conclusion and 100% successful every time. But it is much harder to complete successfully than we think.
Same with the portal. "Just go out a sign a big or shooter or whatever and we will have a deep run in the tourney." But there are plenty of examples out there that show that it doesn't always work successfully and is much more difficult than it appears.
Since every team other than MU got players from the portal, and the same number of teams had unsuccessful seasons as had unsuccessful season prior to the portal, isn't it reasonable to conclude that the portal is a tool, not a panacea, and that talent, coaching, and chemistry dictate outcomes?
In other words, how many teams hit the portal hard and still stunk?
Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2025, 07:22:09 PMTo play devil's advocate, would adding 1-2 transfers who are the "right fit" for a season change that feeling for you?
Did adding Robert Jackson for one season make the 2002-03 team less likable in any way?
Valid point. Short answer is no. I'm thinking more about teams that essentially rebuild their entire roster year to year.
10 of the top 25 transfer classes(according to On 3) didn't make the NCAA Tournament......including 4 of the top 10.
Quote from: MuMark on May 13, 2025, 08:32:09 PM10 of the top 25 transfer classes(according to On 3) didn't make the NCAA Tournament......including 4 of the top 10.
Portal Potty
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMone that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit.
I agree I'd love a team of our 247 list of all time top recruits Henry, Dawson, Markus (original ranking), JJJ, and Vander. 20 soft wins, a guy who couldn't even showcase himself at UNC, a guy posters called a cancer, a guy who was lost as a freshman then continued to be kinda ok at best senior year, and a guy who at his best after three years averaged a hot 14.8, 2 & 3. Don't forget the sixth man who transferred because the cancer hurt his feelings.
Yep if only we could get these guys all the time.
Quote from: wiscwarrior on May 13, 2025, 06:06:26 PMI don't think highly ranked recruits are what Shaka is aiming for. I think his sweet spot is in the 50 -150 range. Probably feels they'll buy into the culture more readily. Not to say that if he found one within the top tier that he wouldn't recruit him.
Several reasons for this, but I'm not quite sure buying into the culture is as high as you think
I suspect that originally Shaka came to Marquette with the plan of recruiting 50-150 range kids in order to get old and stay old, in other words in order to keep kids around for 4 years and build a culture of sorts. As an immediate necessity he did that with talented kids like TyKo and OMax thru transfer, and then developed them all and established his culture.
Now, a big part is $ and the pay structure Marquette seems to have- where first year guys are in a set range and 4th year guys are in their set range with the upperclassman stars getting the biggest piece of the pie- not being very conducive to top 50 guys looking for top dollar.
I'm sure there is still some truth to the idea that Shaka wants a majority of guys in the 50-150 range who are willing to buy in (long term, that's the key) and willing to do that because given their talents and abilities they are ok with being at Marquette long term and developing.
I've always thought that at some point he would turn up the gears and shoot higher into the top 50 talent pool- he did with Kon, this year with JJ, and is in on future top 50s.
I think money and structure are more at play with him not getting one so far, but I do think he will very soon.
I've said before that I think MU will have to structure "outlier" type payments for top 40 freshmen recruits like Kon or JJ Andrews- and I have no idea if they have or will but I think they should.
However, if Shaka doesn't think so then it won't happen, and that's all that matters.
This year's senior class is a great example of guys that shouldn't quite earn what Kam or Tyler earned imo- it is now a business after all. I think that extra should be pooled towards a high end recruit or transfer as needed.
What I mean by that is that even though Chase should be compensated nicely for his abilities and dedication to MU, he shouldn't get what Kam or Kolek got. Ditto with Ben in comparison to Stevie or Jop.
The same can be said for the Jr class given their past contributions.
Just my two cents, and I'd be curious to find out if Shaka and the program agree and adjust the distributions. Don't think we will ever know.
The biggest concern I have is our size in the front court. We have length all over the roster, but not a lot of promise at the 5 imo. I'm bullish on Hamilton, but I'm not sure I see the pathway to another contributor.
Shaka has chosen the developmental big route. He has a track record of developing bigs. I continue to be very bullish on Ben for next season. After that, with Clark and Pearson, I see two athletic 7 footers who need to fill out and learn to play in the Big East. Athletic 7 footers is a good place to start.
Quote from: The Thing on May 13, 2025, 07:18:48 PMOne aspect of the portal that I hate is the lack of continuity of teams year to year. The reality is that the guys at Marquette who just graduated are likable guys. It was great to see them grow within Shaka's system and flourish. I really like knowing who the players are year-to-year. I think it makes a difference to MU fans that they recognize the faces and know who they are rooting for.
I love the grow and develop model. It may not bring us a championship but at least I know who the guys are when I watch games.
I'm with you, Thing. Free agency was a big factor in my losing my formerly rabid fandom regarding baseball and the NBA and NFL. In the old days you really got to feel like you knew the players. Now they're here one year, gone the next, and some guys wind up playing for 8 or 9 teams. I feel like they're not loyal, why should I be? I realize that a big part of the continuity years ago was related to how contracts were structured and not "loyalty." Still, there was a comfortable feeling when you knew who was going to be where.
College is different because the players are essentially term-limited. NIL has been the college equivalent of free agency in the pros - in fact, let's face it, college players are now "pros." Some teams use the portal more than others, but I like what Shaka is trying to do. Having players for 3-4 years lets us watch their development, which is a significant factor due to the progress they can make at their age, and personally I like that. Shaka's approach has not disappointed thus far. I'm a bit concerned about the coming season but not for the extended future.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 13, 2025, 09:24:33 PMI agree I'd love a team of our 247 list of all time top recruits Henry, Dawson, Markus (original ranking), JJJ, and Vander. 20 soft wins, a guy who couldn't even showcase himself at UNC, a guy posters called a cancer, a guy who was lost as a freshman then continued to be kinda ok at best senior year, and a guy who at his best after three years averaged a hot 14.8, 2 & 3. Don't forget the sixth man who transferred because the cancer hurt his feelings.
Yep if only we could get these guys all the time.
the difference, which I'm sure you are aware, is the quality of coaching we have now. add in a more selective recruiting process and a lot of the above issues go away.
I like where we are as a program. I have my doubts about the ceiling of current approach, but hope to be proven wrong.
I get it. I have the parallel concerns about trying to build a roster from scratch every season. Particularly now, post COVID 5th/6th year players. I am of the opinion that as the portal/NIL shakes out and stabilizes, Shaka is going to suddenly be far ahead of the curve.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 05:58:00 AMShaka has chosen the developmental big route. He has a track record of developing bigs. I continue to be very bullish on Ben for next season. After that, with Clark and Pearson, I see two athletic 7 footers who need to fill out and learn to play in the Big East. Athletic 7 footers is a good place to start.
Outside of Oso, what big has Shaka developed? At Texas, Shaka had Mo Bamba, (#2 overall prospect) Jarrett Allen, (#15 overall prospect) and Jaxson Hayes (a top 40 prospect) all go to the league. All 3 of those guys were going to the league no matter what as they had insane measurables. (Bamba has a 7' 10" wingspan for example)
I get Shaka develops, but as far as his big development goes, there is a TBD on the grade at MU. Hamilton and Clark are TBD. Ben Gold is serviceable, but is not a NBA talent at this point and Keeyan was not a success.
So, other than the guys who have gone to the league, who has Shaka developed?
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 09:42:00 AMOutside of Oso, what big has Shaka developed? At Texas, Shaka had Mo Bamba, (#2 overall prospect) Jarrett Allen, (#15 overall prospect) and Jaxson Hayes (a top 40 prospect) all go to the league. All 3 of those guys were going to the league no matter what as they had insane measurables. (Bamba has a 7' 10" wingspan for example)
I get Shaka develops, but as far as his big development goes, there is a TBD on the grade at MU. Hamilton and Clark are TBD. Ben Gold is serviceable, but is not a NBA talent at this point and Keeyan was not a success.
Holla at my Mpls yung boi Jericho Sims
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:43:37 AMSo, other than the guys who have gone to the league, who has Shaka developed?
You missed my point - those 3 were going to the league no matter what because they were athletic freaks and 2 of them were McDonalds all Americans in high school.
All 3 of them were one and done players at Texas and would have been one and dones no matter where they played in college. Any college coach would have those 3 in the NBA. Let's not act like Shaka was some savant - they were all top players in the nation and freaks of nature.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 14, 2025, 09:45:46 AMHolla at my Mpls yung boi Jericho Sims
Good call - he was a top 50 recruit. My point to all of this is all the big men that Shaka sent to league outside of Oso were very highly recruited and destined to go to the association.
This is why I have a TBD grade on Shaka and his big men development program.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 09:50:41 AMGood call - he was a top 50 recruit. My point to all of this is all the big men that Shaka sent to league outside of Oso were very highly recruited and destined to go to the association.
This is why I have a TBD grade on Shaka and his big men development program.
Sims was outside the RSCI top 50 and very raw
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 09:47:25 AMYou missed my point - those 3 were going to the league no matter what because they were athletic freaks and 2 of them were McDonalds all Americans in high school.
All 3 of them were one and done players at Texas and would have been one and dones no matter where they played in college. Any college coach would have those 3 in the NBA. Let's not act like Shaka was some savant - they were all top players in the nation and freaks of nature.
I got your point. I disagree with it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 14, 2025, 09:54:11 AMSims was outside the RSCI top 50 and very raw
He hovered around the top 50 according to a few recruiting services. Sims was a four-star recruit, ranked No. 51 overall by RSCI (Recruiting Services Consensus Index) and No. 59 by Rivals. ESPN ranked him No. 48 by Scout.com
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:37:11 AMI get it. I have the parallel concerns about trying to build a roster from scratch every season. Particularly now, post COVID 5th/6th year players. I am of the opinion that as the portal/NIL shakes out and stabilizes, Shaka is going to suddenly be far ahead of the curve.
this is very fair and I could see it working out this way.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:56:32 AMI got your point. I disagree with it.
Time will tell - we have three data points at MU to date:
1. Keeyan - Grade F
2. Ben Gold - Grade C
3. Caedin - TBD
4. Clark - TBD
5. Pearson - TBD
Oso - NBA
This is why I give a overall TBD grade to Shaka. So far the big development program has been one NBA, one bust and Ben Gold.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 10:22:20 AMTime will tell - we have three data points at MU to date:
1. Keeyan - Grade F
2. Ben Gold - Grade C
3. Caedin - TBD
4. Clark - TBD
5. Pearson - TBD
Oso - NBA
lol so what grade does Oso get? I wouldn't give Keeyan an F. Taking a flyer on longshots w potential is healthy today - then and especially going forward w/more scholarships. Take some chances - the downside is they don't do anything on the court in games - we can afford to have some. I'd be disappointed if we didn't have Keeyan's and Al's.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 14, 2025, 10:52:00 AMlol so what grade does Oso get? I wouldn't give Keeyan an F. Taking a flyer on longshots w potential is healthy today - then and especially going forward w/more scholarships. Take some chances - the downside is they don't do anything on the court in games - we can afford to have some. I'd be disappointed if we didn't have Keeyan's and Al's.
I gave Oso a grade - NBA. Al was never truly a big man imho. He was 6' 9' program height and 205 lb soaking wet.
Keeyan does not get an F? He barely saw the court and did not develop into anything at Marquette. I would have loved you to be my prof at MU with how lenient you are at grading.
Let's call what it is, Keeyan did not contribute on the court over multiple years - I do not care what your star level is, that is a F.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 13, 2025, 09:50:25 PMI've said before that I think MU will have to structure "outlier" type payments for top 40 freshmen recruits like Kon or JJ Andrews- and I have no idea if they have or will but I think they should.
However, if Shaka doesn't think so then it won't happen, and that's all that matters.
This year's senior class is a great example of guys that shouldn't quite earn what Kam or Tyler earned imo- it is now a business after all. I think that extra should be pooled towards a high end recruit or transfer as needed.
What I mean by that is that even though Chase should be compensated nicely for his abilities and dedication to MU, he shouldn't get what Kam or Kolek got. Ditto with Ben in comparison to Stevie or Jop.
The same can be said for the Jr class given their past contributions.
Just my two cents, and I'd be curious to find out if Shaka and the program agree and adjust the distributions. Don't think we will ever know.
Doubt it will happen, and this model breeds contempt. NIL for MU should be viewed as a UBI, and then anything you can pull off on your own is your excess NIL value.
The suns missed the playoffs, Oso gets an F
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 05:58:00 AMShaka has chosen the developmental big route. He has a track record of developing bigs. I continue to be very bullish on Ben for next season. After that, with Clark and Pearson, I see two athletic 7 footers who need to fill out and learn to play in the Big East. Athletic 7 footers is a good place
How do you think Ben is going to change his game? Yes he is a decent shooter from outside, other then that what does he bring differently next year? Zuby will only 26 off him vs. 33?
Much like the offseason is a time for players to work hard and improve, it's also a great time to buckle down and learn how to use the Scoop quote function.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:56:32 AMI got your point. I disagree with it.
Yes Tower. We all know that you disagree with all points except your own and those that match yours. We get it. Besides you would be the first to admit that your points are always right, wouldn't you?
Quote from: willie warrior on May 18, 2025, 05:56:10 AMYes Tower. We all know that you disagree with all points except your own and those that match yours. We get it. Besides you would be the first to admit that your points are always right, wouldn't you?
Whoosh goes the irony.
Quote from: tower912 on May 18, 2025, 06:43:41 AMWhoosh goes the irony.
Do you even own a Warriors pennant?
Nope. Moved on.
Quote from: tower912 on May 18, 2025, 08:26:22 AMNope. Moved on.
And cheered for Marquette when Wojo-Dukiet was coach. Get on Wingding's level
Why?
Quote from: tower912 on May 18, 2025, 08:31:57 AMWhy?
To help you better understand the game and gap
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 18, 2025, 08:35:16 AMTo help you better understand the game and gap
A couple weeks ago, I read something about Neanderthals and a scientist said something like "it's hard to understand their thinking because we are not them."
So kinda like that.
Tweet By Jon Rothstein yesterday
Marquette's Chase Ross in games last season where he logged 30 or more minutes:
12.1 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 2.4 SPG.
Has to be one of the Top 10 players in the Big East in 2025-26 if the Golden Eagles are going to play in five NCAA Tournaments in five years under Shaka Smart.
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1924102680646914517?s=12
With a messed up thumb for the last 6 weeks.
I'm psyched about Marquette's ability to be great every Nov and Dec as long as Shaka is coach.
Awesome!
Quote from: tower912 on May 19, 2025, 07:38:49 AMAwesome!
I'm psyched for idiots to ignore 2022-23 and 2023-24
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2025, 08:00:57 AMI'm psyched for idiots to ignore 2022-23 and 2023-24
Especially idiots who publicly declared in March 2022 that they were done paying any attention to Marquette basketball for the rest of their lives.
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2025, 09:29:57 AMEspecially idiots who publicly declared in March 2022 that they were done paying any attention to Marquette basketball for the rest of their lives.
I was not one of those "idiots" but, past success is no guarantee of future glory.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 19, 2025, 09:31:55 AMI was not one of those "idiots" but, past success is no guarantee of future glory.
Nor is a "down" season where the team was still comfortably in the tourney a guarantee things will continue to trend in the wrong direction for multiple year.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 10:22:20 AMTime will tell - we have three data points at MU to date:
1. Keeyan - Grade F
2. Ben Gold - Grade C
3. Caedin - TBD
4. Clark - TBD
5. Pearson - TBD
Oso - NBA
This is why I give a overall TBD grade to Shaka. So far the big development program has been one NBA, one bust and Ben Gold.
6. Luke Jacobson - Grade F
Didn't even get in a game. SMH.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 18, 2025, 08:28:58 AMAnd cheered for Marquette when Wojo-Dukiet was coach. Get on Wingding's level
Well, everyone can change...
QuoteQuote from: willie warrior on August 01, 2014, 06:49:44 AM
And I have liked what I have seen from Wojo, a whole lot better than the phony cowboy, who you and a few others go way out of your beaten path to defend at every criticism, just like now. So save the gas--you will have less heartburn. When you stop the slurping, I will stop the call outs.
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2025, 09:29:57 AMEspecially idiots who publicly declared in March 2022 that they were done paying any attention to Marquette basketball for the rest of their lives.
Well in fairness, really no reason to pay attention after New Years Eve. Not missing much after that unless you enjoy late season collapses and early tournament humiliations.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 19, 2025, 09:45:16 AMNor is a "down" season where the team was still comfortably in the tourney a guarantee things will continue to trend in the wrong direction for multiple year.
This last year was a down season? More appropriate to say that the year prior was the absolute pinnacle of Marquette basketball since the Buzz era. Last year certainly not a "down" season. There lies the problem. If only we could make your lies true.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 19, 2025, 02:08:35 PMWell in fairness, really no reason to pay attention after New Years Eve. Not missing much after that unless you enjoy late season collapses and early tournament humiliations.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 19, 2025, 02:13:08 PMThis last year was a down season? More appropriate to say that the year prior was the absolute pinnacle of Marquette basketball since the Buzz era. Last year certainly not a "down" season. There lies the problem. If only we could make your lies true.
We were a 2 seed in back to back years. We haven't missed the Tournament under Shaka.
Trolling is more fun when you can at least fool someone that isn't paying a minimum amount of attention. Get your practice in now so it's better come basketball season, because you're ass at it.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 19, 2025, 02:08:35 PMWell in fairness, really no reason to pay attention after New Years Eve. Not missing much after that unless you enjoy late season collapses and early tournament humiliations.
Well in fairness, you said you were "done" with MU hoops. So be honest, and be done. Buh-bye!
Quote from: barfolomew on May 19, 2025, 02:02:32 PMWell, everyone can change...
Glass House. White Ferrari. Live for New Year's Eve. Sloppy steaks at Truffoni's.
Sure, no need to be a downer debbie, crying karen, sad sally, negative nancy.
I enjoyed the MU Instagram freshmen move in video. Parents of 3 of the freshmen taling about how relationships were crucial to the decision to come to MU.
Quote from: tower912 on May 30, 2025, 07:29:16 PMI enjoyed the MU Instagram freshmen move in video. Parents of 3 of the freshmen taling about how relationships were crucial to the decision to come to MU.
But where were Miletic's parents? Clearly there's already trouble in paradise.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 30, 2025, 08:50:32 PMBut where were Miletic's parents? Clearly there's already trouble in paradise.
Their interest in being interviewed was NIL.
There family dropped off Ian a day or two earlier
And his father told me the same thing two weeks ago. It was all about relationships.
That was clearly sarcasm.
Relationships are nice, but Shaka owes me wins
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 30, 2025, 08:57:59 PMThere family dropped off Ian a day or two earlier
What is your first language?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 01, 2025, 11:02:57 AMWhat is your first language?
BC's first language is Eeyore.
Players are all back on campus.......
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKcKmWSuVBu/?igsh=MWFnaWdjbnRiMmd3Nw==
Quote from: MuMark on June 03, 2025, 10:46:31 AMPlayers are all back on campus.......
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKcKmWSuVBu/?igsh=MWFnaWdjbnRiMmd3Nw==
Ummm...you sure about that, boss?
No Parham?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 03, 2025, 11:20:39 AMUmmm...you sure about that, boss?
Sigh......ok most are back.....some are back......a few are back......
Take your pick
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on June 03, 2025, 11:29:04 AMNo Parham?
According to IG Royce is in picture 5
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKcKmWSuVBu/?img_index=4&igsh=MWFnaWdjbnRiMmd3Nw==
https://youtu.be/erHu3ZgP7RU?si=PEigeCjnwYZrKXms
Sign me up.
That was probably the purest distillation of growth, relationships, victory, that I have seen. Anybody who has questions as to why MU is not an active player in the portal will have them answered by watching.
Be the difference.
Love what Sean Jones said. Paraphrasing... MU doesn't have a transfer portal. MU has a transformation portal.
Not bad for a guy leaving
Quote from: MuMark on June 04, 2025, 10:40:38 AMhttps://youtu.be/erHu3ZgP7RU?si=PEigeCjnwYZrKXms
Just got done watching this. Shaka talking about we as fans spreading the word of relationships, growth, and victory so fans can have as much alignment as possible just gets me fired up.
Idk...maybe I'm just overreacting, but that sounds like a guy that's in it for the long haul here at Marquette and it both sounds and feels like this program could become a monster using this way. I'm all in!
I don't know you can take anything else from it. He is at MU for the long haul. He is all in on the relationships, growth, victory philosophy. He is about growing the whole person. He does not believe in instant gratification. And he expects to win this way.
I have said it many times, I will say it again. Until there are a number of unexpected departures at the same time, I do not see him using the portal.
Be the difference.
Interesting to hear that Travis Diener is the originator of " you've got to reward the guys who have worn the jersey" philosophy............
Posters that don't like it should take it up with TD...... 8-)
For those who may not realize it, that is from Shaka's talk this past Saturday at Reunion Weekend. I think they cut out the part where he invited everyone to a practice....
Broeker has already solicited everyone who registered to donate to the Men's Basketball Excellence Fund, lol.
Quote from: MuMark on June 04, 2025, 10:40:38 AMhttps://youtu.be/erHu3ZgP7RU?si=PEigeCjnwYZrKXms
This was great, thanks for sharing.
Another must watch video for anyone that loves MU hoops imo.
Coach Shaka Smart just gets it. Everything about the way he speaks and presents himself is impressive and powerful.
Marquette basketball, and Marquette University, are extremely fortunate to have a guy like him.
And how about the humanity, the humility, the ability to open up about his own personal anxiety on a day to day level?
As an aside, who's the scooper that lives in Rolling Meadows with the Marquette flag outside his/her house that helped convince Ian Miletic to come to Marquette? 😂
We Are Marquette!
There were plenty of flags still available in the Spirit Shop on Sunday...
As an aside, we golden jubileers were all commenting on how there is actually a campus, as opposed to when we went, though I knew that as we go up for games and stop in. And yes, we were the people on the campus tour reminiscing about the long-gone buildings and what used to be where on the campus tour😆
Fantastic video - Shaka at his best... he is a great rep for the university, with his coaching methods in place and so articulate and passionate about his vision. What a delight to have him at Marquette!
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1930753006305214813?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
I remain psyched about the future of Marquette basketball.
We Are Marquette!
Watching the MU instagram videos....
It is going to be ok.
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2025, 02:15:50 PMWatching the MU instagram videos....
It is going to be ok.
The gap has never been gappier
Classic 80's mall era Gap?
Thompson Twins 'Into the Gap'?
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2025, 02:24:17 PMClassic 80's mall era Gap?
Thompson Twins 'Into the Gap'?
The gap between Willie and comprehension.
The gap between Pinnis and his competition
Freshman numbers:
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1931365871928168479?t=5_tF-SGJqL8-hJLxb9yAcQ&s=19
Updated roster (sans freshman numbers for some reason):
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 07, 2025, 12:27:59 PMFreshman numbers:
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1931365871928168479?t=5_tF-SGJqL8-hJLxb9yAcQ&s=19
They've got the right stuff...
Baby...
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 07, 2025, 12:29:29 PMUpdated roster (sans freshman numbers for some reason):
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
They must have updated this since you posted, because all the numbers are there.
Quote from: MU82 on June 07, 2025, 02:32:09 PMThey must have updated this since you posted, because all the numbers are there.
Yes, I see they have been updated.
Quote from: MU82 on June 07, 2025, 02:32:09 PMThey must have updated this since you posted, because all the numbers are there.
I'm sure that there were numerous reasons why they were missing at first.
Really looking forward to seeing our guys on the court.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 07, 2025, 02:42:57 PMI'm sure that there were numerous reasons why they were missing at first.
Really looking forward to seeing our guys on the court.
Another MU marketing fail
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2025, 02:24:17 PMClassic 80's mall era Gap?
Thompson Twins 'Into the Gap'?
The gap between Reekers ears
The gap between Reeker and reality
The gap between Reeker and intelligence
The gap between Reeker and grace
The gap between Reekers thought process and logic
Etc. Etc. Etc.
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1931765923696017736?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: willie warrior on June 08, 2025, 10:40:51 AMThe gap between Reekers ears
The gap between Reeker and reality
The gap between Reeker and intelligence
The gap between Reeker and grace
The gap between Reekers thought process and logic
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Thanks, Wingdings.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 08, 2025, 03:04:44 PMSounds like ur interested
How could anyone possibly pass that up?
Quote from: MuMark on June 08, 2025, 12:36:49 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1931765923696017736?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Awesome to see an NBA player showing gratitude, still embracing the growth and relationships, giving back and paying forward.
Caeden looks to be in great shape
https://milwaukeeriverwalkdistrict.com/
Quote from: MuMark on June 09, 2025, 03:54:46 PMCaeden looks to be in great shape
https://milwaukeeriverwalkdistrict.com/
wat
Quote from: MuMark on June 09, 2025, 03:54:46 PMCaeden looks to be in great shape
https://milwaukeeriverwalkdistrict.com/
He's on the second boat from the left, correct?
Looks tan, rested, and ready.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKzRLu8s2QV/?igsh=MXhqZjZoMm1lZXFrdA==
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1935091579460456570?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Whereas Izzo would scrimmage with a lid on the basket to encourage aggressive rebounding, it appears there were no fouls being called in that scrimmage.
Cool.
Quote from: MuMark on June 17, 2025, 04:54:04 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1935091579460456570?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
That was cool ... but who was #22?
Quote from: MU82 on June 17, 2025, 05:33:51 PMThat was cool ... but who was #22?
Just visiting from Ohio State......
Gowne Jones
Quote from: MuMark on June 17, 2025, 04:54:04 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1935091579460456570?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
I'm not falling for this Caedin Hamilton propaganda.
Michael Phillips's shot blocking reflects what I saw on his HS film. Looks like that will translate to college.
Nigel James did a couple things I saw on his HS film: a wrong footed finish (right foot, right hand) and a wrong handed finish (left handed layup on the right side of the hoop). Those should translate as well.
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203 (https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203)
I'm allowing myself a little optimism over Josh Clark. Looks like he could end up being 7-2 with a 7-6/7-7 wingspan.
But to be fair I was also excited about Mbao
If Ben is a legit 6'11, then Josh is a legit 7'1, going by those pictures.
We have our aircraft carrier.
Quote from: dpucane on June 20, 2025, 12:45:33 PMhttps://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203 (https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203)
I'm allowing myself a little optimism over Josh Clark. Looks like he could end up being 7-2 with a 7-6/7-7 wingspan.
But to be fair I was also excited about Mbao
No Royce. Shaka must have cut him after not making the U19 team.
Quote from: dpucane on June 20, 2025, 12:45:33 PMhttps://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203 (https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203)
I'm allowing myself a little optimism over Josh Clark. Looks like he could end up being 7-2 with a 7-6/7-7 wingspan.
But to be fair I was also excited about Mbao
Ugh. Another holiday
Quote from: tower912 on June 17, 2025, 06:00:08 PMGowne Jones
So, you're saying MU really does have "go(o)wnes" on the street?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 20, 2025, 06:04:18 PMUgh. Another holiday
America (and Marquette) won't reach their true potential until all holidays are eliminated.
Except for Columbus Day, of course.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 20, 2025, 06:24:45 PMAmerica (and Marquette) won't reach their true potential until all holidays are eliminated.
Except for Columbus Day, of course.
Another war on Christmas.
Quote from: tower912 on June 20, 2025, 06:26:41 PMAnother war on Christmas.
The only thing that can bring us together is a Toyotathon.
Quote from: tower912 on June 20, 2025, 12:51:54 PMIf Ben is a legit 6'11, then Josh is a legit 7'1, going by those pictures.
Agreed. And Shaka is about 4'10" from the picture
Taller than Muggsy.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2025, 03:10:20 PMAgreed. And Shaka is about 4'10" from the picture
Ramsey looks to be 6'6" now
https://x.com/coachshakasmart/status/1938018749413486981?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Shades of Ooze, camped out down low and looking for open space under and behind the backboard.
I have said that I am hoping this season for Hamilton to be Burke and Clarke to be Ooze. They don't have to change the world. Just be big and physical.