With Parham coming off a fine freshman season, with a top-15 recruiting class signed, with Sheek committed, and with Shaka having a legit shot at a couple other nice 2026 recruits, I'm as bullish as ever on our program.
(I didn't even mention Lowery and Owens each potentially taking a next big step, though I probably should have.)
If everybody stays - as has been the uniquely Marquette case since the portal/NIL era started - and if the success rate of player development is even the average of what it has been during Shaka's tenure, our 2026-27 and 2027-28 teams could be really, really good.
I'm not throwing away next season's team, which I think is generally underrated here, but the slightly more long-term outlook seems especially promising to me.
We Are Marquette!
Agreed.
It's the exact reason why I'm not going to be particularly concerned if this year's squad is hanging around the bubble (I don't think this will be the case but obviously it's a possibility).
I also think the Portal Posse™ should take note that both Pearson and Johnston made it very clear that's Marquette's culture and approach to the portal were key reasons why they committed.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 13, 2025, 10:44:27 AMI also think the Portal Posse™ should take note that both Pearson and Johnston made it very clear that's Marquette's culture and approach to the portal were key reasons why they committed.
Both receiving $3M in NIL for saying that
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 13, 2025, 10:44:27 AMAgreed.
It's the exact reason why I'm not going to be particularly concerned if this year's squad is hanging around the bubble (I don't think this will be the case but obviously it's a possibility).
I also think the Portal Posse™ should take note that both Pearson and Johnston made it very clear that's Marquette's culture and approach to the portal were key reasons why they committed.
As did the 2025 recruits.
I think it still doesn't mean Shaka should steadfastly reject the portal entirely, and folks in the know here say he has been open to the "right" portal additions. But I actually like that Marquette can stand out as something different - even special - among the crowd.
I don't think a committment of a Top 80 and Top 150 kid validates the lack of Portal use. Those are typical MU recruits.
What will validate it, is consistent winning.
So far I think the results show Shaka's philosophy works.
Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2025, 10:27:47 AMWith Parham coming off a fine freshman season, with a top-15 recruiting class signed, with Sheek committed, and with Shaka having a legit shot at a couple other nice 2026 recruits, I'm as bullish as ever on our program.
(I didn't even mention Lowery and Owens each potentially taking a next big step, though I probably should have.)
If everybody stays - as has been the uniquely Marquette case since the portal/NIL era started - and if the success rate of player development is even the average of what it has been during Shaka's tenure, our 2026-27 and 2027-28 teams could be really, really good.
I'm not throwing away next season's team, which I think is generally underrated here, but the slightly more long-term outlook seems especially promising to me.
We Are Marquette!
With no portal, and non linear development an occasional step back will occur. This would be that year because I agree that the following years could be really good if everyone with eligibility sticks around.
It will be fun to watch the development this year. If Shaka gets them to the tournament somehow, even better.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on May 13, 2025, 02:15:06 PMWith no portal, and non linear development an occasional step back will occur.
Even with transfers, occasional step backs can occur (e.g., bad fit, injuries, whatever else..).. it's up to us as Scoopers to determine the underlying reasons for any step backs (e.g., bad portal / no portal philosophy; no "true point guard"; small neck size; no air craft carrier; improperly elite offense; etc.).
What strikes me is that Shaka's philosophy is resonating with recruits. Developing relationships. Focusing on growth and development of the players he recruits out of high school. Their acceptance that it is a process and they will have to do the work. And the trust in Shaka and his assistants.
Quote from: tower912 on May 13, 2025, 02:59:47 PMWhat strikes me is that Shaka's philosophy is resonating with recruits. Developing relationships. Focusing on growth and development of the players he recruits out of high school. Their acceptance that it is a process and they will have to do the work. And the trust in Shaka and his assistants.
Agree. And the recruits obviously interact with guys on the team and get the real lowdown on everything (including NIL reality at MU).
We just hit on two really big wins for 2026. Our 2025 class oozes potential. It's no secret Shaka is banking on growth for these teams--it is the lifeblood of what he does.
Love the talent he is bringing into the fold. The kids are buying into it. This plays more into the Brad Stevens wworld of "will this kid compete at all levels" and I love the kids we seem to get with that philosophy.
Quote from: tower912 on May 13, 2025, 02:59:47 PMWhat strikes me is that Shaka's philosophy is resonating with recruits. Developing relationships. Focusing on growth and development of the players he recruits out of high school. Their acceptance that it is a process and they will have to do the work. And the trust in Shaka and his assistants.
It apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Getting Pearson is a step in the right direction. My biggest qualm with Shaka's recruiting previously has been the lack of higher profile bigs and guys not panning out. Of course the jury is out on a couple of the current guys who I hope turn out to be solid MU players. I know top big men don't grow on trees and there's only so many. If Shaka can consistently get top 100 big men then I won't be clamoring for the portal much. Despite growing pains, it will be interesting to see which guys come out on top as far as production on the court.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMIt apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Shaka got the big names at Texas. It didn't go well.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMIt apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Let's start with the obvious: All of us, especially Shaka and the players - would like to win more NCAAT games and, ultimately, championships.
The way to have any shot at that is to make the NCAAT regularly and to score high seeds occasionally. Shaka has done that - 4-for-4 and 2-for-4 (yay). And I think most here agree that we had enough talent for deeper runs in '23 and '24 (yay), but unfortunately lost due to injury, poor shooting, etc (boo).
Not many here are claiming that recruit/develop/retain gives Marquette an "advantage." What many are saying is that it's worked pretty well so far (yay), that it is unique and could eventually prove advantageous, and that we're willing to be patient to see if it can be a long-term recipe for big-time success (yay).
I've said that the next 2-3 years will tell us a lot about whether Shaka's philosophy can be all that as it competes with more portal-oriented programs.
Personally, I've really enjoyed the vast majority of these last 4 seasons (yay), and I am excited about the future. Sorry if some Scoopers don't feel that way (boo).
I don't think highly ranked recruits are what Shaka is aiming for. I think his sweet spot is in the 50 -150 range. Probably feels they'll buy into the culture more readily. Not to say that if he found one within the top tier that he wouldn't recruit him.
He recruited Kon.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMIt apparently is resonating with the same level of recruits we've historically landed (yay). Which likely leads to similar results that we've seen (yay).
All of which I guess is ok, but I remain skeptical this approach brings any kind of real advantage in recruiting versus any other, one that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit. Hopefully I am wrong and Shaka finds a few that buy in and takes us to the next level as a program.
Are you really sarcastically "yay'ing" two 2-seeds in 4 years?
One aspect of the portal that I hate is the lack of continuity of teams year to year. The reality is that the guys at Marquette who just graduated are likable guys. It was great to see them grow within Shaka's system and flourish. I really like knowing who the players are year-to-year. I think it makes a difference to MU fans that they recognize the faces and know who they are rooting for.
I love the grow and develop model. It may not bring us a championship but at least I know who the guys are when I watch games.
Quote from: The Thing on May 13, 2025, 07:18:48 PMOne aspect of the portal that I hate is the lack of continuity of teams year to year. The reality is that the guys at Marquette who just graduated are likable guys. It was great to see them grow within Shaka's system and flourish. I really like knowing who the players are year-to-year. I think it makes a difference to MU fans that they recognize the faces and know who they are rooting for.
I love the grow and develop model. It may not bring us a championship but at least I know who the guys are when I watch games.
To play devil's advocate, would adding 1-2 transfers who are the "right fit" for a season change that feeling for you?
Did adding Robert Jackson for one season make the 2002-03 team less likable in any way?
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 13, 2025, 02:51:39 PMEven with transfers, occasional step backs can occur (e.g., bad fit, injuries, whatever else..).. .
The portal is like the sacrifice bunt in Baseball. "Why don't you just bunt the guy over a base to set up a base hit or fly ball to score a run?"
Everyone just assumes that the sac bunt is a forgone conclusion and 100% successful every time. But it is much harder to complete successfully than we think.
Same with the portal. "Just go out a sign a big or shooter or whatever and we will have a deep run in the tourney." But there are plenty of examples out there that show that it doesn't always work successfully and is much more difficult than it appears.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on May 13, 2025, 08:16:09 PMThe portal is like the sacrifice bunt in Baseball. "Why don't you just bunt the guy over a base to set up a base hit or fly ball to score a run?"
Everyone just assumes that the sac bunt is a forgone conclusion and 100% successful every time. But it is much harder to complete successfully than we think.
Same with the portal. "Just go out a sign a big or shooter or whatever and we will have a deep run in the tourney." But there are plenty of examples out there that show that it doesn't always work successfully and is much more difficult than it appears.
Since every team other than MU got players from the portal, and the same number of teams had unsuccessful seasons as had unsuccessful season prior to the portal, isn't it reasonable to conclude that the portal is a tool, not a panacea, and that talent, coaching, and chemistry dictate outcomes?
In other words, how many teams hit the portal hard and still stunk?
Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2025, 07:22:09 PMTo play devil's advocate, would adding 1-2 transfers who are the "right fit" for a season change that feeling for you?
Did adding Robert Jackson for one season make the 2002-03 team less likable in any way?
Valid point. Short answer is no. I'm thinking more about teams that essentially rebuild their entire roster year to year.
10 of the top 25 transfer classes(according to On 3) didn't make the NCAA Tournament......including 4 of the top 10.
Quote from: MuMark on May 13, 2025, 08:32:09 PM10 of the top 25 transfer classes(according to On 3) didn't make the NCAA Tournament......including 4 of the top 10.
Portal Potty
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 13, 2025, 04:15:51 PMone that will get MU to be considered by that highest tier of recruit.
I agree I'd love a team of our 247 list of all time top recruits Henry, Dawson, Markus (original ranking), JJJ, and Vander. 20 soft wins, a guy who couldn't even showcase himself at UNC, a guy posters called a cancer, a guy who was lost as a freshman then continued to be kinda ok at best senior year, and a guy who at his best after three years averaged a hot 14.8, 2 & 3. Don't forget the sixth man who transferred because the cancer hurt his feelings.
Yep if only we could get these guys all the time.
Quote from: wiscwarrior on May 13, 2025, 06:06:26 PMI don't think highly ranked recruits are what Shaka is aiming for. I think his sweet spot is in the 50 -150 range. Probably feels they'll buy into the culture more readily. Not to say that if he found one within the top tier that he wouldn't recruit him.
Several reasons for this, but I'm not quite sure buying into the culture is as high as you think
I suspect that originally Shaka came to Marquette with the plan of recruiting 50-150 range kids in order to get old and stay old, in other words in order to keep kids around for 4 years and build a culture of sorts. As an immediate necessity he did that with talented kids like TyKo and OMax thru transfer, and then developed them all and established his culture.
Now, a big part is $ and the pay structure Marquette seems to have- where first year guys are in a set range and 4th year guys are in their set range with the upperclassman stars getting the biggest piece of the pie- not being very conducive to top 50 guys looking for top dollar.
I'm sure there is still some truth to the idea that Shaka wants a majority of guys in the 50-150 range who are willing to buy in (long term, that's the key) and willing to do that because given their talents and abilities they are ok with being at Marquette long term and developing.
I've always thought that at some point he would turn up the gears and shoot higher into the top 50 talent pool- he did with Kon, this year with JJ, and is in on future top 50s.
I think money and structure are more at play with him not getting one so far, but I do think he will very soon.
I've said before that I think MU will have to structure "outlier" type payments for top 40 freshmen recruits like Kon or JJ Andrews- and I have no idea if they have or will but I think they should.
However, if Shaka doesn't think so then it won't happen, and that's all that matters.
This year's senior class is a great example of guys that shouldn't quite earn what Kam or Tyler earned imo- it is now a business after all. I think that extra should be pooled towards a high end recruit or transfer as needed.
What I mean by that is that even though Chase should be compensated nicely for his abilities and dedication to MU, he shouldn't get what Kam or Kolek got. Ditto with Ben in comparison to Stevie or Jop.
The same can be said for the Jr class given their past contributions.
Just my two cents, and I'd be curious to find out if Shaka and the program agree and adjust the distributions. Don't think we will ever know.
The biggest concern I have is our size in the front court. We have length all over the roster, but not a lot of promise at the 5 imo. I'm bullish on Hamilton, but I'm not sure I see the pathway to another contributor.
Shaka has chosen the developmental big route. He has a track record of developing bigs. I continue to be very bullish on Ben for next season. After that, with Clark and Pearson, I see two athletic 7 footers who need to fill out and learn to play in the Big East. Athletic 7 footers is a good place to start.
Quote from: The Thing on May 13, 2025, 07:18:48 PMOne aspect of the portal that I hate is the lack of continuity of teams year to year. The reality is that the guys at Marquette who just graduated are likable guys. It was great to see them grow within Shaka's system and flourish. I really like knowing who the players are year-to-year. I think it makes a difference to MU fans that they recognize the faces and know who they are rooting for.
I love the grow and develop model. It may not bring us a championship but at least I know who the guys are when I watch games.
I'm with you, Thing. Free agency was a big factor in my losing my formerly rabid fandom regarding baseball and the NBA and NFL. In the old days you really got to feel like you knew the players. Now they're here one year, gone the next, and some guys wind up playing for 8 or 9 teams. I feel like they're not loyal, why should I be? I realize that a big part of the continuity years ago was related to how contracts were structured and not "loyalty." Still, there was a comfortable feeling when you knew who was going to be where.
College is different because the players are essentially term-limited. NIL has been the college equivalent of free agency in the pros - in fact, let's face it, college players are now "pros." Some teams use the portal more than others, but I like what Shaka is trying to do. Having players for 3-4 years lets us watch their development, which is a significant factor due to the progress they can make at their age, and personally I like that. Shaka's approach has not disappointed thus far. I'm a bit concerned about the coming season but not for the extended future.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 13, 2025, 09:24:33 PMI agree I'd love a team of our 247 list of all time top recruits Henry, Dawson, Markus (original ranking), JJJ, and Vander. 20 soft wins, a guy who couldn't even showcase himself at UNC, a guy posters called a cancer, a guy who was lost as a freshman then continued to be kinda ok at best senior year, and a guy who at his best after three years averaged a hot 14.8, 2 & 3. Don't forget the sixth man who transferred because the cancer hurt his feelings.
Yep if only we could get these guys all the time.
the difference, which I'm sure you are aware, is the quality of coaching we have now. add in a more selective recruiting process and a lot of the above issues go away.
I like where we are as a program. I have my doubts about the ceiling of current approach, but hope to be proven wrong.
I get it. I have the parallel concerns about trying to build a roster from scratch every season. Particularly now, post COVID 5th/6th year players. I am of the opinion that as the portal/NIL shakes out and stabilizes, Shaka is going to suddenly be far ahead of the curve.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 05:58:00 AMShaka has chosen the developmental big route. He has a track record of developing bigs. I continue to be very bullish on Ben for next season. After that, with Clark and Pearson, I see two athletic 7 footers who need to fill out and learn to play in the Big East. Athletic 7 footers is a good place to start.
Outside of Oso, what big has Shaka developed? At Texas, Shaka had Mo Bamba, (#2 overall prospect) Jarrett Allen, (#15 overall prospect) and Jaxson Hayes (a top 40 prospect) all go to the league. All 3 of those guys were going to the league no matter what as they had insane measurables. (Bamba has a 7' 10" wingspan for example)
I get Shaka develops, but as far as his big development goes, there is a TBD on the grade at MU. Hamilton and Clark are TBD. Ben Gold is serviceable, but is not a NBA talent at this point and Keeyan was not a success.
So, other than the guys who have gone to the league, who has Shaka developed?
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 09:42:00 AMOutside of Oso, what big has Shaka developed? At Texas, Shaka had Mo Bamba, (#2 overall prospect) Jarrett Allen, (#15 overall prospect) and Jaxson Hayes (a top 40 prospect) all go to the league. All 3 of those guys were going to the league no matter what as they had insane measurables. (Bamba has a 7' 10" wingspan for example)
I get Shaka develops, but as far as his big development goes, there is a TBD on the grade at MU. Hamilton and Clark are TBD. Ben Gold is serviceable, but is not a NBA talent at this point and Keeyan was not a success.
Holla at my Mpls yung boi Jericho Sims
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:43:37 AMSo, other than the guys who have gone to the league, who has Shaka developed?
You missed my point - those 3 were going to the league no matter what because they were athletic freaks and 2 of them were McDonalds all Americans in high school.
All 3 of them were one and done players at Texas and would have been one and dones no matter where they played in college. Any college coach would have those 3 in the NBA. Let's not act like Shaka was some savant - they were all top players in the nation and freaks of nature.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 14, 2025, 09:45:46 AMHolla at my Mpls yung boi Jericho Sims
Good call - he was a top 50 recruit. My point to all of this is all the big men that Shaka sent to league outside of Oso were very highly recruited and destined to go to the association.
This is why I have a TBD grade on Shaka and his big men development program.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 09:50:41 AMGood call - he was a top 50 recruit. My point to all of this is all the big men that Shaka sent to league outside of Oso were very highly recruited and destined to go to the association.
This is why I have a TBD grade on Shaka and his big men development program.
Sims was outside the RSCI top 50 and very raw
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 09:47:25 AMYou missed my point - those 3 were going to the league no matter what because they were athletic freaks and 2 of them were McDonalds all Americans in high school.
All 3 of them were one and done players at Texas and would have been one and dones no matter where they played in college. Any college coach would have those 3 in the NBA. Let's not act like Shaka was some savant - they were all top players in the nation and freaks of nature.
I got your point. I disagree with it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 14, 2025, 09:54:11 AMSims was outside the RSCI top 50 and very raw
He hovered around the top 50 according to a few recruiting services. Sims was a four-star recruit, ranked No. 51 overall by RSCI (Recruiting Services Consensus Index) and No. 59 by Rivals. ESPN ranked him No. 48 by Scout.com
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:37:11 AMI get it. I have the parallel concerns about trying to build a roster from scratch every season. Particularly now, post COVID 5th/6th year players. I am of the opinion that as the portal/NIL shakes out and stabilizes, Shaka is going to suddenly be far ahead of the curve.
this is very fair and I could see it working out this way.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:56:32 AMI got your point. I disagree with it.
Time will tell - we have three data points at MU to date:
1. Keeyan - Grade F
2. Ben Gold - Grade C
3. Caedin - TBD
4. Clark - TBD
5. Pearson - TBD
Oso - NBA
This is why I give a overall TBD grade to Shaka. So far the big development program has been one NBA, one bust and Ben Gold.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 10:22:20 AMTime will tell - we have three data points at MU to date:
1. Keeyan - Grade F
2. Ben Gold - Grade C
3. Caedin - TBD
4. Clark - TBD
5. Pearson - TBD
Oso - NBA
lol so what grade does Oso get? I wouldn't give Keeyan an F. Taking a flyer on longshots w potential is healthy today - then and especially going forward w/more scholarships. Take some chances - the downside is they don't do anything on the court in games - we can afford to have some. I'd be disappointed if we didn't have Keeyan's and Al's.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 14, 2025, 10:52:00 AMlol so what grade does Oso get? I wouldn't give Keeyan an F. Taking a flyer on longshots w potential is healthy today - then and especially going forward w/more scholarships. Take some chances - the downside is they don't do anything on the court in games - we can afford to have some. I'd be disappointed if we didn't have Keeyan's and Al's.
I gave Oso a grade - NBA. Al was never truly a big man imho. He was 6' 9' program height and 205 lb soaking wet.
Keeyan does not get an F? He barely saw the court and did not develop into anything at Marquette. I would have loved you to be my prof at MU with how lenient you are at grading.
Let's call what it is, Keeyan did not contribute on the court over multiple years - I do not care what your star level is, that is a F.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 13, 2025, 09:50:25 PMI've said before that I think MU will have to structure "outlier" type payments for top 40 freshmen recruits like Kon or JJ Andrews- and I have no idea if they have or will but I think they should.
However, if Shaka doesn't think so then it won't happen, and that's all that matters.
This year's senior class is a great example of guys that shouldn't quite earn what Kam or Tyler earned imo- it is now a business after all. I think that extra should be pooled towards a high end recruit or transfer as needed.
What I mean by that is that even though Chase should be compensated nicely for his abilities and dedication to MU, he shouldn't get what Kam or Kolek got. Ditto with Ben in comparison to Stevie or Jop.
The same can be said for the Jr class given their past contributions.
Just my two cents, and I'd be curious to find out if Shaka and the program agree and adjust the distributions. Don't think we will ever know.
Doubt it will happen, and this model breeds contempt. NIL for MU should be viewed as a UBI, and then anything you can pull off on your own is your excess NIL value.
The suns missed the playoffs, Oso gets an F
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 05:58:00 AMShaka has chosen the developmental big route. He has a track record of developing bigs. I continue to be very bullish on Ben for next season. After that, with Clark and Pearson, I see two athletic 7 footers who need to fill out and learn to play in the Big East. Athletic 7 footers is a good place
How do you think Ben is going to change his game? Yes he is a decent shooter from outside, other then that what does he bring differently next year? Zuby will only 26 off him vs. 33?
Much like the offseason is a time for players to work hard and improve, it's also a great time to buckle down and learn how to use the Scoop quote function.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 09:56:32 AMI got your point. I disagree with it.
Yes Tower. We all know that you disagree with all points except your own and those that match yours. We get it. Besides you would be the first to admit that your points are always right, wouldn't you?
Quote from: willie warrior on May 18, 2025, 05:56:10 AMYes Tower. We all know that you disagree with all points except your own and those that match yours. We get it. Besides you would be the first to admit that your points are always right, wouldn't you?
Whoosh goes the irony.
Quote from: tower912 on May 18, 2025, 06:43:41 AMWhoosh goes the irony.
Do you even own a Warriors pennant?
Nope. Moved on.
Quote from: tower912 on May 18, 2025, 08:26:22 AMNope. Moved on.
And cheered for Marquette when Wojo-Dukiet was coach. Get on Wingding's level
Why?
Quote from: tower912 on May 18, 2025, 08:31:57 AMWhy?
To help you better understand the game and gap
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 18, 2025, 08:35:16 AMTo help you better understand the game and gap
A couple weeks ago, I read something about Neanderthals and a scientist said something like "it's hard to understand their thinking because we are not them."
So kinda like that.
Tweet By Jon Rothstein yesterday
Marquette's Chase Ross in games last season where he logged 30 or more minutes:
12.1 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 2.4 SPG.
Has to be one of the Top 10 players in the Big East in 2025-26 if the Golden Eagles are going to play in five NCAA Tournaments in five years under Shaka Smart.
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1924102680646914517?s=12
With a messed up thumb for the last 6 weeks.
I'm psyched about Marquette's ability to be great every Nov and Dec as long as Shaka is coach.
Awesome!
Quote from: tower912 on May 19, 2025, 07:38:49 AMAwesome!
I'm psyched for idiots to ignore 2022-23 and 2023-24
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 19, 2025, 08:00:57 AMI'm psyched for idiots to ignore 2022-23 and 2023-24
Especially idiots who publicly declared in March 2022 that they were done paying any attention to Marquette basketball for the rest of their lives.
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2025, 09:29:57 AMEspecially idiots who publicly declared in March 2022 that they were done paying any attention to Marquette basketball for the rest of their lives.
I was not one of those "idiots" but, past success is no guarantee of future glory.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 19, 2025, 09:31:55 AMI was not one of those "idiots" but, past success is no guarantee of future glory.
Nor is a "down" season where the team was still comfortably in the tourney a guarantee things will continue to trend in the wrong direction for multiple year.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 14, 2025, 10:22:20 AMTime will tell - we have three data points at MU to date:
1. Keeyan - Grade F
2. Ben Gold - Grade C
3. Caedin - TBD
4. Clark - TBD
5. Pearson - TBD
Oso - NBA
This is why I give a overall TBD grade to Shaka. So far the big development program has been one NBA, one bust and Ben Gold.
6. Luke Jacobson - Grade F
Didn't even get in a game. SMH.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 18, 2025, 08:28:58 AMAnd cheered for Marquette when Wojo-Dukiet was coach. Get on Wingding's level
Well, everyone can change...
QuoteQuote from: willie warrior on August 01, 2014, 06:49:44 AM
And I have liked what I have seen from Wojo, a whole lot better than the phony cowboy, who you and a few others go way out of your beaten path to defend at every criticism, just like now. So save the gas--you will have less heartburn. When you stop the slurping, I will stop the call outs.
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2025, 09:29:57 AMEspecially idiots who publicly declared in March 2022 that they were done paying any attention to Marquette basketball for the rest of their lives.
Well in fairness, really no reason to pay attention after New Years Eve. Not missing much after that unless you enjoy late season collapses and early tournament humiliations.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 19, 2025, 09:45:16 AMNor is a "down" season where the team was still comfortably in the tourney a guarantee things will continue to trend in the wrong direction for multiple year.
This last year was a down season? More appropriate to say that the year prior was the absolute pinnacle of Marquette basketball since the Buzz era. Last year certainly not a "down" season. There lies the problem. If only we could make your lies true.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 19, 2025, 02:08:35 PMWell in fairness, really no reason to pay attention after New Years Eve. Not missing much after that unless you enjoy late season collapses and early tournament humiliations.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 19, 2025, 02:13:08 PMThis last year was a down season? More appropriate to say that the year prior was the absolute pinnacle of Marquette basketball since the Buzz era. Last year certainly not a "down" season. There lies the problem. If only we could make your lies true.
We were a 2 seed in back to back years. We haven't missed the Tournament under Shaka.
Trolling is more fun when you can at least fool someone that isn't paying a minimum amount of attention. Get your practice in now so it's better come basketball season, because you're ass at it.
Quote from: Farley36 on May 19, 2025, 02:08:35 PMWell in fairness, really no reason to pay attention after New Years Eve. Not missing much after that unless you enjoy late season collapses and early tournament humiliations.
Well in fairness, you said you were "done" with MU hoops. So be honest, and be done. Buh-bye!
Quote from: barfolomew on May 19, 2025, 02:02:32 PMWell, everyone can change...
Glass House. White Ferrari. Live for New Year's Eve. Sloppy steaks at Truffoni's.
Sure, no need to be a downer debbie, crying karen, sad sally, negative nancy.
I enjoyed the MU Instagram freshmen move in video. Parents of 3 of the freshmen taling about how relationships were crucial to the decision to come to MU.
Quote from: tower912 on May 30, 2025, 07:29:16 PMI enjoyed the MU Instagram freshmen move in video. Parents of 3 of the freshmen taling about how relationships were crucial to the decision to come to MU.
But where were Miletic's parents? Clearly there's already trouble in paradise.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 30, 2025, 08:50:32 PMBut where were Miletic's parents? Clearly there's already trouble in paradise.
Their interest in being interviewed was NIL.
There family dropped off Ian a day or two earlier
And his father told me the same thing two weeks ago. It was all about relationships.
That was clearly sarcasm.
Relationships are nice, but Shaka owes me wins
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 30, 2025, 08:57:59 PMThere family dropped off Ian a day or two earlier
What is your first language?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 01, 2025, 11:02:57 AMWhat is your first language?
BC's first language is Eeyore.
Players are all back on campus.......
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKcKmWSuVBu/?igsh=MWFnaWdjbnRiMmd3Nw==
Quote from: MuMark on June 03, 2025, 10:46:31 AMPlayers are all back on campus.......
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKcKmWSuVBu/?igsh=MWFnaWdjbnRiMmd3Nw==
Ummm...you sure about that, boss?
No Parham?
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 03, 2025, 11:20:39 AMUmmm...you sure about that, boss?
Sigh......ok most are back.....some are back......a few are back......
Take your pick
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on June 03, 2025, 11:29:04 AMNo Parham?
According to IG Royce is in picture 5
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKcKmWSuVBu/?img_index=4&igsh=MWFnaWdjbnRiMmd3Nw==
https://youtu.be/erHu3ZgP7RU?si=PEigeCjnwYZrKXms
Sign me up.
That was probably the purest distillation of growth, relationships, victory, that I have seen. Anybody who has questions as to why MU is not an active player in the portal will have them answered by watching.
Be the difference.
Love what Sean Jones said. Paraphrasing... MU doesn't have a transfer portal. MU has a transformation portal.
Not bad for a guy leaving
Quote from: MuMark on June 04, 2025, 10:40:38 AMhttps://youtu.be/erHu3ZgP7RU?si=PEigeCjnwYZrKXms
Just got done watching this. Shaka talking about we as fans spreading the word of relationships, growth, and victory so fans can have as much alignment as possible just gets me fired up.
Idk...maybe I'm just overreacting, but that sounds like a guy that's in it for the long haul here at Marquette and it both sounds and feels like this program could become a monster using this way. I'm all in!
I don't know you can take anything else from it. He is at MU for the long haul. He is all in on the relationships, growth, victory philosophy. He is about growing the whole person. He does not believe in instant gratification. And he expects to win this way.
I have said it many times, I will say it again. Until there are a number of unexpected departures at the same time, I do not see him using the portal.
Be the difference.
Interesting to hear that Travis Diener is the originator of " you've got to reward the guys who have worn the jersey" philosophy............
Posters that don't like it should take it up with TD...... 8-)
For those who may not realize it, that is from Shaka's talk this past Saturday at Reunion Weekend. I think they cut out the part where he invited everyone to a practice....
Broeker has already solicited everyone who registered to donate to the Men's Basketball Excellence Fund, lol.
Quote from: MuMark on June 04, 2025, 10:40:38 AMhttps://youtu.be/erHu3ZgP7RU?si=PEigeCjnwYZrKXms
This was great, thanks for sharing.
Another must watch video for anyone that loves MU hoops imo.
Coach Shaka Smart just gets it. Everything about the way he speaks and presents himself is impressive and powerful.
Marquette basketball, and Marquette University, are extremely fortunate to have a guy like him.
And how about the humanity, the humility, the ability to open up about his own personal anxiety on a day to day level?
As an aside, who's the scooper that lives in Rolling Meadows with the Marquette flag outside his/her house that helped convince Ian Miletic to come to Marquette? 😂
We Are Marquette!
There were plenty of flags still available in the Spirit Shop on Sunday...
As an aside, we golden jubileers were all commenting on how there is actually a campus, as opposed to when we went, though I knew that as we go up for games and stop in. And yes, we were the people on the campus tour reminiscing about the long-gone buildings and what used to be where on the campus tour😆
Fantastic video - Shaka at his best... he is a great rep for the university, with his coaching methods in place and so articulate and passionate about his vision. What a delight to have him at Marquette!
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1930753006305214813?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
I remain psyched about the future of Marquette basketball.
We Are Marquette!
Watching the MU instagram videos....
It is going to be ok.
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2025, 02:15:50 PMWatching the MU instagram videos....
It is going to be ok.
The gap has never been gappier
Classic 80's mall era Gap?
Thompson Twins 'Into the Gap'?
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2025, 02:24:17 PMClassic 80's mall era Gap?
Thompson Twins 'Into the Gap'?
The gap between Willie and comprehension.
The gap between Pinnis and his competition
Freshman numbers:
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1931365871928168479?t=5_tF-SGJqL8-hJLxb9yAcQ&s=19
Updated roster (sans freshman numbers for some reason):
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 07, 2025, 12:27:59 PMFreshman numbers:
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1931365871928168479?t=5_tF-SGJqL8-hJLxb9yAcQ&s=19
They've got the right stuff...
Baby...
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 07, 2025, 12:29:29 PMUpdated roster (sans freshman numbers for some reason):
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster
They must have updated this since you posted, because all the numbers are there.
Quote from: MU82 on June 07, 2025, 02:32:09 PMThey must have updated this since you posted, because all the numbers are there.
Yes, I see they have been updated.
Quote from: MU82 on June 07, 2025, 02:32:09 PMThey must have updated this since you posted, because all the numbers are there.
I'm sure that there were numerous reasons why they were missing at first.
Really looking forward to seeing our guys on the court.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 07, 2025, 02:42:57 PMI'm sure that there were numerous reasons why they were missing at first.
Really looking forward to seeing our guys on the court.
Another MU marketing fail
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2025, 02:24:17 PMClassic 80's mall era Gap?
Thompson Twins 'Into the Gap'?
The gap between Reekers ears
The gap between Reeker and reality
The gap between Reeker and intelligence
The gap between Reeker and grace
The gap between Reekers thought process and logic
Etc. Etc. Etc.
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1931765923696017736?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: willie warrior on June 08, 2025, 10:40:51 AMThe gap between Reekers ears
The gap between Reeker and reality
The gap between Reeker and intelligence
The gap between Reeker and grace
The gap between Reekers thought process and logic
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Thanks, Wingdings.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 08, 2025, 03:04:44 PMSounds like ur interested
How could anyone possibly pass that up?
Quote from: MuMark on June 08, 2025, 12:36:49 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1931765923696017736?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Awesome to see an NBA player showing gratitude, still embracing the growth and relationships, giving back and paying forward.
Caeden looks to be in great shape
https://milwaukeeriverwalkdistrict.com/
Quote from: MuMark on June 09, 2025, 03:54:46 PMCaeden looks to be in great shape
https://milwaukeeriverwalkdistrict.com/
wat
Quote from: MuMark on June 09, 2025, 03:54:46 PMCaeden looks to be in great shape
https://milwaukeeriverwalkdistrict.com/
He's on the second boat from the left, correct?
Looks tan, rested, and ready.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKzRLu8s2QV/?igsh=MXhqZjZoMm1lZXFrdA==
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1935091579460456570?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Whereas Izzo would scrimmage with a lid on the basket to encourage aggressive rebounding, it appears there were no fouls being called in that scrimmage.
Cool.
Quote from: MuMark on June 17, 2025, 04:54:04 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1935091579460456570?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
That was cool ... but who was #22?
Quote from: MU82 on June 17, 2025, 05:33:51 PMThat was cool ... but who was #22?
Just visiting from Ohio State......
Gowne Jones
Quote from: MuMark on June 17, 2025, 04:54:04 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1935091579460456570?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
I'm not falling for this Caedin Hamilton propaganda.
Michael Phillips's shot blocking reflects what I saw on his HS film. Looks like that will translate to college.
Nigel James did a couple things I saw on his HS film: a wrong footed finish (right foot, right hand) and a wrong handed finish (left handed layup on the right side of the hoop). Those should translate as well.
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203 (https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203)
I'm allowing myself a little optimism over Josh Clark. Looks like he could end up being 7-2 with a 7-6/7-7 wingspan.
But to be fair I was also excited about Mbao
If Ben is a legit 6'11, then Josh is a legit 7'1, going by those pictures.
We have our aircraft carrier.
Quote from: dpucane on June 20, 2025, 12:45:33 PMhttps://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203 (https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203)
I'm allowing myself a little optimism over Josh Clark. Looks like he could end up being 7-2 with a 7-6/7-7 wingspan.
But to be fair I was also excited about Mbao
No Royce. Shaka must have cut him after not making the U19 team.
Quote from: dpucane on June 20, 2025, 12:45:33 PMhttps://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203 (https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1935804665674744203)
I'm allowing myself a little optimism over Josh Clark. Looks like he could end up being 7-2 with a 7-6/7-7 wingspan.
But to be fair I was also excited about Mbao
Ugh. Another holiday
Quote from: tower912 on June 17, 2025, 06:00:08 PMGowne Jones
So, you're saying MU really does have "go(o)wnes" on the street?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 20, 2025, 06:04:18 PMUgh. Another holiday
America (and Marquette) won't reach their true potential until all holidays are eliminated.
Except for Columbus Day, of course.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 20, 2025, 06:24:45 PMAmerica (and Marquette) won't reach their true potential until all holidays are eliminated.
Except for Columbus Day, of course.
Another war on Christmas.
Quote from: tower912 on June 20, 2025, 06:26:41 PMAnother war on Christmas.
The only thing that can bring us together is a Toyotathon.
Quote from: tower912 on June 20, 2025, 12:51:54 PMIf Ben is a legit 6'11, then Josh is a legit 7'1, going by those pictures.
Agreed. And Shaka is about 4'10" from the picture
Taller than Muggsy.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 24, 2025, 03:10:20 PMAgreed. And Shaka is about 4'10" from the picture
Ramsey looks to be 6'6" now
https://x.com/coachshakasmart/status/1938018749413486981?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Shades of Ooze, camped out down low and looking for open space under and behind the backboard.
I have said that I am hoping this season for Hamilton to be Burke and Clarke to be Ooze. They don't have to change the world. Just be big and physical.
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1945223629886611532?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on July 15, 2025, 04:43:47 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1945223629886611532?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Whoa. Does Royce have a goatee now?!
Tre's new 'do appears to have unlocked his offensive game
From the vids and pics through the off-season Caedin looks like he's changed his body considerably.
So, growth.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 15, 2025, 06:06:43 PMFrom the vids and pics through the off-season Caedin looks like he's changed his body considerably.
Not sure why, but I just can't get excited about Caedin. Really hope he proves me wrong.
Can't get much excited about Tre either, but I can at least see a path perhaps.
That's not to disparage either one, those dudes seem to be working relentlessly to get better.
I just have to see it in a real game to believe it.
Quote from: MuMark on July 15, 2025, 04:43:47 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1945223629886611532?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Stevens is going to be good. Book it.
Quote from: DoctorV on July 15, 2025, 09:55:44 PMNot sure why, but I just can't get excited about Caedin. Really hope he proves me wrong.
Can't get much excited about Tre either, but I can at least see a path perhaps.
That's not to disparage either one, those dudes seem to be working relentlessly to get better.
I just have to see it in a real game to believe it.
I'm not excited about Caedin - cautiously optimistic is probably more accurate.
He had some issues with his hands, wasn't decisive at times, and had no lift. Big men develop more slowly so I'm hoping that and some improved athleticism can at least lead to a solid rotation big. Of course, it won't surprise me if he doesn't meet those expectations.
As for Tre, it's hard to be optimistic there unless he dramatically improves his 3-point shooting. We've seen a couple of guys leave where Shaka felt maybe they'd be better off at a lower level of competition so it appears he still has some belief in Tre. It would be a nice bonus if he modestly surprises this season.
Tre was well regarded out of high school, I hope he lets the game come to him this year.
Every player develops at different rates.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 12:53:21 PMTre was well regarded out of high school, I hope he lets the game come to him this year.
Every player develops at different rates.
Alea iacta est
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 16, 2025, 12:53:21 PMTre was well regarded out of high school, I hope he lets the game come to him this year.
Every player develops at different rates.
Under Al, they were always fully developed when they took the floor. What has changed?
Quote from: The Sultan on July 16, 2025, 01:26:06 PMUnder Al, they were always fully developed when they took the floor. What has changed?
Hair length
As long as they don't paint their fingernails, they've got a chance.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 16, 2025, 01:26:06 PMUnder Al, they were always fully developed when they took the floor. What has changed?
Freshman no longer become sophomores. These players are now professionals and getting an education is no longer a priority, like it used to be.
Quote from: DoctorV on July 15, 2025, 09:55:44 PMNot sure why, but I just can't get excited about Caedin. Really hope he proves me wrong.
Can't get much excited about Tre either, but I can at least see a path perhaps.
That's not to disparage either one, those dudes seem to be working relentlessly to get better.
I just have to see it in a real game to believe it.
They aren't good D1 basketball players.
Quote from: bradforster on July 20, 2025, 06:33:11 PMThey aren't good D1 basketball players.
They're certainly no Brett Roseboro.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 20, 2025, 07:18:43 PMThey're certainly no Brett Roseboro.
Strangely I now feel better about their potential........
Quote from: bradforster on July 20, 2025, 06:33:11 PMThey aren't good D1 basketball players.
Lots of golf to be played.
'Yet' is such a powerful word.
can the leader of the free world please put some pressure on Marquette University to change their name back to The Warriors?
Quote from: bradforster on July 20, 2025, 06:33:11 PMThey aren't good D1 basketball players.
Probably some of the same sentiment after Oso's freshman year and in Tyler's first few months here.
While Norman is far enough down to start making some assessments about his career, Caedin didn't even play 200 minutes. Might be a bit early to make sweeping, scathing generalizations like this.
Quote from: Mutaman on July 21, 2025, 12:27:23 AMcan the leader of the free world please put some pressure on Marquette University to change their name back to The Warriors?
Trump threatens to restrict stadium deal with Washington Commanders if they don't change name back to 'Redskins' (https://us.cnn.com/2025/07/20/politics/washington-commanders-trump-stadium) - CNN - July 21, 2025
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pe0AAOSwDgNn1Box/s-l1600.webp)
Bring back the Warriors! . . .
1977 NCAA Division I basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_NCAA_Division_I_basketball_tournament) - wikipedia
Thanks.
I know you Dayton guys need things explained to you in detail, but we are Marquette graduates and therefore understood the original reference.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 20, 2025, 07:18:43 PMThey're certainly no Brett Roseboro.
Who can forget the famous scene from
Citizen Buzz when he whispered "Roseboro" on his deathbed.
I think bradforster was more into DJ Newbill than Roseboro.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 21, 2025, 09:51:50 AMI think bradforster was more into DJ Newbill than Roseboro.
Ah shoot. Thought he was Roseboro's high school coach or something but I think you're right.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on July 21, 2025, 08:28:44 AMTrump threatens to restrict stadium deal with Washington Commanders if they don't change name back to 'Redskins' (https://us.cnn.com/2025/07/20/politics/washington-commanders-trump-stadium) - CNN - July 21, 2025
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pe0AAOSwDgNn1Box/s-l1600.webp)
Bring back the Warriors! . . . 1977 NCAA Division I basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_NCAA_Division_I_basketball_tournament) - wikipedia
Yes. Golden Eagles is so lame.
Rothstein did a BE preview yesterday, has Marquette as #4 (STJ, UConn, Creighton) entering this year. Spoke highly of Shaka and the program, but said this will be the toughest year for Shaka.
If we finish 4th in the BE, we are still likely a NCAAT team (which would be incredible IMO).
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on July 22, 2025, 11:16:19 AMRothstein did a BE preview yesterday, has Marquette as #4 (STJ, UConn, Creighton) entering this year. Spoke highly of Shaka and the program, but said this will be the toughest year for Shaka.
Yeah, but did Rothstein mention whether the gap was widening or narrowing?
He said if MU makes the tourney it will be Shaka's best coaching job.
Listening to Norlander's podcast today, and his guest mentioned that at Nike EYBL this weekend, it was heavily rumored that Sheek is heading to MU this year. Seems like that redshirt is on the way.
Quote from: tower912 on July 22, 2025, 12:43:22 PMHe said if MU makes the tourney it will be Shaka's best coaching job.
I don't know......year 2 was pretty good..........
I agree. And I think this team has as much talent. The question is how soon it all fits together.
Quote from: tower912 on July 22, 2025, 02:07:50 PMI agree. And I think this team has as much talent. The question is how soon it all fits together.
I guess my point was just making the tournament with a bunch of question marks does not equal or surpass winning the Big East title....winning the BET....and earning a 2 seed with a bunch of question marks.
How soon media guys forget what Shaka did with a team that was picked to finish 9th in the conference.
Quote from: MuMark on July 22, 2025, 02:00:40 PMI don't know......year 2 was pretty good..........
He had 4 NBA draft picks on that team, i think you mean EASIEST coaching job. Year 1 was the best by my rubric, but I'm open to other arguements.
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on July 22, 2025, 06:06:41 PMHe had 4 NBA draft picks on that team, i think you mean EASIEST coaching job. Year 1 was the best by my rubric, but I'm open to other arguements.
Coming into that season he had no projected draft picks.....the fact that they ended up being really good doesn't change the fact that before that season nobody expected them to make the tournament.......much less win the Big East.
Kolek told Shaka they needed to get a big guy in the portal.......even he didn't know Oso was ready......but Shaka did.
Let's put it another way.......Shaka didn't win coach of the year in year 1.......and if they finish 4th and sneak into the tournament this year he won't win it either.
He was the AP National coach of the year in 2022-23.......Not just the Big East coach of the year which he also won.
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on July 22, 2025, 06:06:41 PMHe had 4 NBA draft picks on that team, i think you mean EASIEST coaching job. Year 1 was the best by my rubric, but I'm open to other arguements.
While true, were you predicting that prior to that season?
Quote from: tower912 on July 22, 2025, 02:07:50 PMI agree. And I think this team has as much talent. The question is how soon it all fits together.
Agree. I'm a bit irrationally high on this team at the moment. Good combo of talent (mostly unrealized) and a chip on their shoulder.
Quote from: tower912 on July 22, 2025, 06:42:52 PMWhile true, were you predicting that prior to that season?
I was just being facetious, mostly, about those 4 NBA picks they were all there year 1 as well (underperformance? jk). Year 1 I was just hoping they'd find a way to sneak into the tournament. Year 2, I was also just hoping they'd find a way to sneak into the tournament. I do think assembling that talent year 1 and getting it rocking and rolling in year 2 are near ties imo as far as quality of coaching jobs go.
Unless Marquette wins the Big East this season, Year 2 will have been Shaka's best coaching job. Obviously.
That team was picked to finish NINTH (eff 'em) but went on to win the Big East title double-dip. And Shaka did it by developing players - none of whom had been close to being 5-star recruits - to play far better than they had been expected to play.
Quote from: willie warrior on July 22, 2025, 07:33:48 AMYes. Golden Eagles is so lame.
When you grow up you'll understand how childish it is to worry about a mascot since they're designed for kids.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 23, 2025, 03:08:08 PMWhen you grow up you'll understand how childish it is to worry about a mascot since they're designed for kids.
Not many people know this, but Willie was actually the first mascot back in 1893 when Marquette's nickname was the Inquisition and he dressed up as Torquemada and would set Lutherans in attendance on fire. But that was before woke fire codes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2025, 03:27:45 PMNot many people know this, but Willie was actually the first mascot back in 1893 when Marquette's nickname was the Inquisition and he dressed up as Torquemada and would set Lutherans in attendance on fire. But that was before woke fire codes
(https://images2.imgbox.com/96/50/t0VQSFOI_o.png) (https://imgbox.com/t0VQSFOI)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 23, 2025, 03:27:45 PMNot many people know this, but Willie was actually the first mascot back in 1893 when Marquette's nickname was the Inquisition and he dressed up as Torquemada and would set Lutherans in attendance on fire. But that was before woke fire codes
He still has the same sunny disposition.
Quote from: MU82 on July 23, 2025, 10:51:00 AMUnless Marquette wins the Big East this season, Year 2 will have been Shaka's best coaching job. Obviously.
That team was picked to finish NINTH (eff 'em) but went on to win the Big East title double-dip. And Shaka did it by developing players - none of whom had been close to being 5-star recruits - to play far better than they had been expected to play.
Chicken or the egg argument would be they had the talent to be NBA players before Shaka developed it. The more important concern is that Shaka has the same luck/expertise with talent evaluation this time around. If he doesn't hit on 4 NBA players with this group, the next three years might not be as fun as the last three. We will see. Tower thinks so. Barnes hopes so. I hope they are both right.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 23, 2025, 03:08:08 PMWhen you grow up you'll understand how childish it is to worry about a mascot since they're designed for kids.
The why get rid of the mascots in DC and Cleveland?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 24, 2025, 09:46:44 AMThe why get rid of the mascots in DC and Cleveland?
Because they were racist? This isn't a serious question, is it?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 24, 2025, 09:46:44 AMThe why get rid of the mascots in DC and Cleveland?
Because they were racist.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 24, 2025, 09:46:44 AMThe why get rid of the mascots in DC and Cleveland?
Because they were racist. I'm well aware racism is ok in modern America and that's why there is a move towards trying to bring those racist mascots back. Heck, we're back to celebrating traitorous Americans who fought to keep slavery.
What'll probably happen is, those racist mascots won't be brought back but Fox News will be able to use that as red meat for their racist audience members.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2025, 10:39:47 AMBecause they were racist. I'm well aware racism is ok in modern America and that's why there is a move towards trying to bring those racist mascots back. Heck, we're back to celebrating traitorous Americans who fought to keep slavery.
What'll probably happen is, those racist mascots won't be brought back but Fox News will be able to use that as red meat for their racist audience members.
Why are we even playing sports if we can't celebrate the reminders of the past that we kinda sucked as people (e.g. "heritage")
Quote from: JakeBarnes on July 24, 2025, 11:16:28 AMWhy are we even playing sports if we can't celebrate the reminders of the past that we kinda sucked as people (e.g. "heritage")
Indiana Klansmen?
Birmingham Lynchers?
Tulsa Riots?
Atlanta Owners?
Celebrate heritage
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2025, 11:27:03 AMIndiana Klansmen?
Kinda brings a new meaning to a White Out
Uncle Rico the more you talk the more obvious it is that you're a total moron.
Quote from: Superfan on July 24, 2025, 02:03:46 PMUncle Rico the more you talk the more obvious it is that you're a total moron.
*your
Quote from: Superfan on July 24, 2025, 02:03:46 PMUncle Rico the more you talk the more obvious it is that you're a total moron.
Thanks!
This should be entertaining.
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 02:18:56 PMThis should be entertaining.
Based on posting history, talk of racism bothers Superfan. C'est la vie
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1948500619347853598?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
He should spend time with Dan Campbell, instead.
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 05:02:41 PMHe should spend time with Dan Campbell, instead.
So they can commiserate over their late season fades?
They can compare injury reports.
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 05:02:41 PMHe should spend time with Dan Campbell, instead.
As long as he doesn't spend anytime around the Bears
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 05:23:37 PMThey can compare injury reports.
And compare excuses too I guess.
Shaka is already a better coach than Lafleur. Aim higher.
Need the guys chewing on kneecaps.
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 05:27:58 PMShaka is already a better coach than Lafleur. Aim higher.
Need the guys chewing on kneecaps.
Aim higher by meeting with a coach who accomplished no more than Lafluer?
LaFleur had been to 2 NFC championship games in 6 seasons......he's made the playoffs in every year but 1.
He's pretty damn good.......definitely a better resume then Campbell.
Campbell had to start from farther back. The Patricia era, not to mention 60 years of a moribund franchise.
Relax, fellas. Just having fun.
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 05:02:41 PMHe should spend time with Dan Campbell, instead.
Shaka would be better off getting some pointers from Marcus Freeman. Stay with college FB coaches for mentors.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 24, 2025, 06:03:38 PMShaka would be better off getting some pointers from Marcus Freeman. Stay with college FB coaches for mentors.
Approved. Learn how to promote freshmen over upperclassmen.
Although, as an Assad, the coach of my kid's high school team pulled that during a 25-5 season and completely lost the dugout, the parents, and most of the junior class going forward.
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 06:02:14 PMCampbell had to start from farther back. The Patricia era, not to mention 60 years of a moribund franchise.
Relax, fellas. Just having fun.
I believe the correct term here is "COLE."
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2025, 02:21:24 PMBased on posting history, talk of racism bothers Superfan. C'est la vie
Eff the French!
Quote from: The Sultan on July 24, 2025, 06:19:22 PMI believe the correct term here is "COLE."
Nice.
Remember, the playoff wins were only the second and third by the franchise in the Super Bowl era. The Packers have a history of success.
Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 06:24:59 PMNice.
Remember, the playoff wins were only the second and third by the franchise in the Super Bowl era. The Packers have a history of success.
Right. So why should Shaka want to associate with that franchise?
Transformative
...minus the "formative"
Quote from: MuMark on July 24, 2025, 04:56:58 PMhttps://x.com/marquettembb/status/1948500619347853598?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
They just mentioned Shaka a few times on Sports Center ESPN 2. Coach Smart will be on ESPN 2 soon.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 25, 2025, 01:27:39 PMThey just mentioned Shaka a few times on Sports Center ESPN 2. Coach Smart will be on ESPN 2 soon.
nm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1WcSoOclos
Shaka rocks
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1949130780413698556?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: tower912 on July 26, 2025, 11:43:33 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1WcSoOclos
Shaka rocks
"It's because of the guys we have and the families that they come from."
As he said that, he looked right into the camera.
He is a brilliant communicator, and he comes across as so genuine and caring (because he is). I'll bet lots of parents say, "He's exactly the kind of coach I want my son to play for." I know that's what I think when I see him in situations like this.
He obviously doesn't land every recruit whose parents think that way, but he lands his share. We're so lucky to have him as our coach.
Quote from: MuMark on July 26, 2025, 01:38:16 PMhttps://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1949130780413698556?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Not surprising. He looked great in his team's tournament games that were on TV, and we have a need at the position.
Totally agree on James, said many moons ago that he could start. May not do that, but by the end of the season he might.
Quote from: MuMark on July 26, 2025, 01:38:16 PMhttps://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1949130780413698556?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1804530536959926675?t=ieZK51JhjJ0C1jntVR9YNQ&s=19
I don't put much stock into Rothsteins "moles"
That will be interesting if he can, I have a wait and see attitude on him! Was not overly impressed with his freshman season.
Rothstein's tweet regarding Caedin is from 2024.
Quote from: BCHoopster on July 26, 2025, 02:38:11 PMTotally agree on James, said many moons ago that he could start. May not do that, but by the end of the season he might.
Sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but you didn't discover Nigel James.
Quote from: MU82 on July 26, 2025, 05:29:24 PMSorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but you didn't discover Nigel James.
Whatever makes you happy!
"Remember the name"
lol Rothstein's IQ should put him in a hospital
Quote from: MU82 on July 26, 2025, 01:55:47 PMNot surprising. He looked great in his team's tournament games that were on TV, and we have a need at the position.
Quote from: MuMark on July 26, 2025, 01:38:16 PMhttps://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1949130780413698556?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Yes agree true. I posted this a couple weeks ago after my friend saw a Marquette practice on July 7th and told me on July 8th that Nigel James would be getting minutes and was very impressive.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 26, 2025, 09:37:48 PMYes agree true. I posted this a couple weeks ago after my friend saw a Marquette practice on July 7th and told me on July 8th that Nigel James would be getting minutes and was very impressive.
So your friend is Rothstein's source....... 8-)
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1949515175565918390?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Not worthy of its own thread, but since we're talking future why not tie into the past as well. Yesterday, CBKReport Instagram posted an ALL 2020s BigEast List. 1st Team included Tyler Kolek, who was "coached" by Danny Hurley. Markus Howard and Kam Jones made the 2nd Team, "playing" for Greg McDermott. Shaka made 3rd Team, but unfortunately no MU players on that squad. Kind of a timeframe stretch to include Markus on a 2020s team. Well, in some Scoopers' minds he always stopped the flow of the offense, so I guess he stopped time too. 😉
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on July 28, 2025, 12:40:04 PMNot worthy of its own thread, but since we're talking future why not tie into the past as well. Yesterday, CBKReport Instagram posted an ALL 2020s BigEast List. 1st Team included Tyler Kolek, who was "coached" by Danny Hurley. Markus Howard and Kam Jones made the 2nd Team, "playing" for Greg McDermott. Shaka made 3rd Team, but unfortunately no MU players on that squad. Kind of a timeframe stretch to include Markus on a 2020s team. Well, in some Scoopers' minds he always stopped the flow of the offense, so I guess he stopped time too. 😉
CBKReport is nothing more than low tier engagement rage bait.
Quote from: MUbiz on July 28, 2025, 12:45:10 PMCBKReport is nothing more than low tier engagement rage bait.
Just like Muggsy
Quote from: MUbiz on July 28, 2025, 12:45:10 PMCBKReport is nothing more than low tier engagement rage bait.
They tweet out purposely slightly off rankings of all sorts of meaningless stuff all the time, exclusively. There is never any explanation of method. The just tweet out list graphics and people yell in the replies. You never need to think about anything they do.
Who is going to be our eyes and ears reporter for the open practice to keep us hyped up?
Ideally one person covering on the court action and another providing chemistry, body language, and slapping of fives analysis.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on July 30, 2025, 09:35:16 AMWho is going to be our eyes and ears reporter for the open practice to keep us hyped up?
Ideally one person covering on the court action and another providing chemistry, body language, and slapping of fives analysis.
I want a EGB leaderboard to be honest. That is what is most important.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on July 28, 2025, 12:40:04 PMNot worthy of its own thread, but since we're talking future why not tie into the past as well. Yesterday, CBKReport Instagram posted an ALL 2020s BigEast List. 1st Team included Tyler Kolek, who was "coached" by Danny Hurley. Markus Howard and Kam Jones made the 2nd Team, "playing" for Greg McDermott. Shaka made 3rd Team, but unfortunately no MU players on that squad. Kind of a timeframe stretch to include Markus on a 2020s team. Well, in some Scoopers' minds he always stopped the flow of the offense, so I guess he stopped time too. 😉
I saw that link. It's a joke to have Howard or Powell on it when they played all of 2 months and a week in the 2020s.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on July 30, 2025, 09:35:16 AMWho is going to be our eyes and ears reporter for the open practice to keep us hyped up?
Ideally one person covering on the court action and another providing chemistry, body language, and slapping of fives analysis.
Need a third to report on hotdog availability and Iggy's playfulness with the crowd.
Need a rebound difficulty statistic tracked this year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2025, 02:21:24 PMBased on posting history, talk of racism bothers Superfan. C'est la vie
Clicked looking for some amusing dog whistles. Oh brother those are Dog Fog horns
https://www.basketunderreview.com/3mw-top-50-teams-countdown-37-marquette/
Anyone paying for a subscription? If so, could you give a summary?
I am going to go out on a limb and say a website I have never heard of has MU at #37 as of early August.
Quote from: tower912 on August 07, 2025, 02:27:19 PMI am going to go out on a limb and say a website I have never heard of has MU at #37 as of early August.
Three Man Weave is a real good college basketball podcast and website I highly recommend. I know a certain scooper who has been shouted out on there a few times.
Yeah its the new 3 man weave site, they are known. 2 guys had us like 31, 32 and the other like 44. Good floor, whats the ceiling without Kam, get a guy from the portal every once in a while shaka, gonna finish 20-40 in kenpom, was the gist of it.
Quote from: zcg2013 on August 07, 2025, 03:33:33 PMThree Man Weave is a real good college basketball podcast and website I highly recommend. I know a certain scooper who has been shouted out on there a few times.
How do they know Willie?
OK. Website I don't follow has some credibility. Still August, still not worried.
It's all organized by Trilly Donovan. Honestly, probably the best all-CBB website going right now. In addition to the 3 Man Weave guys, they have Eamonn Brennan, Will Warren (Stats by Will), Brian Rauf, Jordan Majewski, and Matthew Winick as contributors. All very smart, very savvy analytic types.
As far as the jist here goes:
Individual rankings: Jim - 44 / Ky - 32 / Matt - 31
Pointed out that Kam Jones had insane on/off numbers and losing him could really hurt. Also that a fourth first weekend in five years could be disappointing. They praise continuity and defensive consistency.
Sean was the only PG they mentioned, said getting him back helps.
They point out Marquette's wealth of long, athletic wings (Ross, Lowery, Norman, Owens) and said it looks like Ross is next up, but also questions about who will take that next step because no one has proven efficiency at high usage.
Cited Ben and Royce in the front court. Mentioned how Ben is an underrated defender and they expect a big jump from Royce.
They mentioned the lack of portal use as a cause for concern, saying Marquette won't maximize their ceiling without taking advantage of the portal. Said it's a high floor team but it's likely a solid but not great team without a clear-cut star/go-to player.
Offensively, other concerns are a lack of firepower and that it might be harder to execute pick & roll with this roster. Mentioned all the freshmen, but don't seem to think any will be big impact guys. Most ink on Stevens and James.
Ultimately expect us to be between 20-40 on kenpom, single digit NCAA seed, but that might feel like a letdown to fans considering the momentum we had in years 2-3 under Shaka.
Sums it up nicely.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 09, 2025, 06:22:04 AMUltimately expect us to be between 20-40 on kenpom, single digit NCAA seed, but that might feel like a letdown to fans considering the momentum we had in years 2-3 under Shaka.
All of those starters are gone though. And the recruits that committed during and after the BE championship season are sophomores and freshman.
Two seasons from now, Marquette should be back to those top 15 levels.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 09, 2025, 09:58:57 AMAll of those starters are gone though. And the recruits that committed during and after the BE championship season are sophomores and freshman.
Two seasons from now, Marquette should be back to those top 15 levels.
Ultimately, I thought it was fair. Most people expect a down year, and if we stack first weekend exits, it will lead to a disappointed fanbase. I'm long term optimistic and see a higher ceiling with even this team than they do, but I'm a Marquette fan, so that is pretty natural. We'll be at our best when we have consecutive upperclassmen recruiting classes with more hits than misses. That's not this year, but I do think 2028 & 2029 have lots of potential in that regard. Maybe as soon as next year if Zaide & SJ both hit.
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Last year, many of our struggles in league play came from Kam & Jop combining to shoot 28.6% from three on 12.6 attempts per game. The rest of the team was at 34.2%. We needed more efficiency from our higher volume shooters. I can see a world where this team doesn't have the All-American level talents, but the whole is making 35-36% from deep and the offense improves to top-20 as a result. But I can also see a world where Sean is never quite the floor general TK & Kam were, and a lack of individual aggressiveness leads to a stagnant half court offense. Transition keeps us afloat, but we're more a 50-60 ranked offense.
Defensively, I think we'll be good. But if we continue to lack rim protection and don't have anyone step into the defensive QB role adequately, that might be a 35-40 defense instead of the top 10-15 that is possible if Ben, Royce, & Clark combine to create some defensive menace at the rim & our perimeter triumvirate of Chase, Zaide, & Sean is the best perimeter group in the country in terms of both tenacious switching D and turnover generation.
If both of those go to worst case scenarios, we're probably a bubble team. If both are best case, we're a top-4 seed and dark horse to win the league. More likely, somewhere in the middle, which is where 3MW as a consensus landed.
We actually have upside on 3-pointers. Not sure where the volume comes from, but shooting better as a team is highly doable.
Lower 3FGA/FGA, higher 3FG%.
Let's see how our offensive to% weakens. me scurred. #pray
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 09, 2025, 03:11:33 PMLast year, many of our struggles in league play came from Kam & Jop combining to shoot 28.6% from three on 12.6 attempts per game. The rest of the team was at 34.2%. We needed more efficiency from our higher volume shooters. I can see a world where this team doesn't have the All-American level talents, but the whole is making 35-36% from deep and the offense improves to top-20 as a result. But I can also see a world where Sean is never quite the floor general TK & Kam were, and a lack of individual aggressiveness leads to a stagnant half court offense. Transition keeps us afloat, but we're more a 50-60 ranked offense.
I think Sean Jones can step in and shoot 26% on high volume if needed. I hope he don't but it could happen.
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on August 13, 2025, 09:46:48 AMI think Sean Jones can step in and shoot 26% on high volume if needed. I hope he don't but it could happen.
Or he can step in and shoot 46% on high volume if needed. I hope he does, but it probably won't happen.
Quote from: The Lens on May 13, 2025, 02:14:34 PMI don't think a committment of a Top 80 and Top 150 kid validates the lack of Portal use. Those are typical MU recruits.
What will validate it, is consistent winning.
So far I think the results show Shaka's philosophy works.
Agreed. Yearly NCAA tournaments and a couple deep tournament runs every five years and it will show that Shaka's way is sustainable at an elite level. Tournament this year with the arrow pointing up for next? I'm sold.
I'm not buying it.
Our former coach was poached by the NBA. What are we to do?
#TalkinAllThatJazz
Wojo is a quality assistant.
Quote from: tower912 on August 13, 2025, 04:59:08 PMI'm not buying it.
Many have bought it hook line and sinker through one talent cycle. I need to at least see the start of the next cycle go well before I'm fully in. Could it have been a combination of luck with ultra quick talent evaluations of Kolek and Omax and luck with Lewis, Oso, Kam and Stevie already committed? Or is Shaka the top 150 basketball whisperer?
We will see starting with this new talent cycle. Hoping the optimism is well founded.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on August 13, 2025, 06:25:49 PMMany have bought it hook line and sinker through one talent cycle. I need to at least see the start of the next cycle go well before I'm fully in. Could it have been a combination of luck with ultra quick talent evaluations of Kolek and Omax and luck with Lewis, Oso, Kam and Stevie already committed? Or is Shaka the top 150 basketball whisperer?
We will see starting with this new talent cycle. Hoping the optimism is well founded.
I am confused. Wouldn't Chase Ben and Sean already be a full talent cycle without Justin? Wouldn't Royce and Owens be the start of the cycle without Kolek and Oso? We've already begun some of the full talent cycles. The thing about staggering classes and having the odd early entry is you're going to constantly say "well we need to see how they do without..." think of it like this: Novak needed to prove himself without diener, the amigos needed to prove themselves without Novak, Lazar needed to prove himself without the amigos, Jimmy needed to prove himself without Lazar, DJO & Crowder were already proven, then Vander needed to prove himself.
"Everyone is unproven until they are......."
Confucius
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 13, 2025, 09:11:30 PMI am confused. Wouldn't Chase Ben and Sean already be a full talent cycle without Justin? Wouldn't Royce and Owens be the start of the cycle without Kolek and Oso? We've already begun some of the full talent cycles. The thing about staggering classes and having the odd early entry is you're going to constantly say "well we need to see how they do without..." think of it like this: Novak needed to prove himself without diener, the amigos needed to prove themselves without Novak, Lazar needed to prove himself without the amigos, Jimmy needed to prove himself without Lazar, DJO & Crowder were already proven, then Vander needed to prove himself.
Chase/Ben/Sean are the beginning of a new talent cycle after one that ended with Kam, Stevie, and Jop.
I interpret this as basically saying "8 years to judge."
How anyone can't yet be fully sold on Shaka is beyond me.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 13, 2025, 09:11:30 PMI am confused. Wouldn't Chase Ben and Sean already be a full talent cycle without Justin? Wouldn't Royce and Owens be the start of the cycle without Kolek and Oso? We've already begun some of the full talent cycles. The thing about staggering classes and having the odd early entry is you're going to constantly say "well we need to see how they do without..." think of it like this: Novak needed to prove himself without diener, the amigos needed to prove themselves without Novak, Lazar needed to prove himself without the amigos, Jimmy needed to prove himself without Lazar, DJO & Crowder were already proven, then Vander needed to prove himself.
Correct. Let's see if they (the new wave/cycle) can prove themselves.
The players I named did the damage for four years. The rest were role players at best. Let's see how Sean, Chase, Ben do in leading roles where they are not deferential to others.
I'm not saying I don't like them as players. I just have never seen them in starring roles. The talent cycle was delayed because of 3 and 4 year starters. This year will be interesting.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 14, 2025, 04:17:45 AMHow anyone can't yet be fully sold on Shaka is beyond me.
Shaka, the man. Absolutely. All in. Sold.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 14, 2025, 04:17:45 AMHow anyone can't yet be fully sold on Shaka is beyond me.
I'm in on Shaka, but I actually think there's a rational argument that 2023 & 2024 were more outliers than what we should expect going forward. College basketball IS changing. The portal and NIL has transformed how programs are built. When you look at the college landscape, for most programs the months after the Final Four are just as, if not more, exciting than the Tournament itself.
And yet while everyone else is moving into that future, Shaka is the one guy who is fervently holding on to a past that many feel doesn't exist anymore. When people have been saying "we just need one more guy" for three years, and the last two years ended at a lower level than the one before with most pundits predicting another drop, it's easy to say that his rosters with a pair of NBA-talent transfers and a trio of four-year players that originally committed to the last coach might've been the outlier.
In 7 of the 8 years before coming to Marquette, Shaka finished below his preseason kenpom projection, and the only time he beat it was in 2018 when he was projected 37th and finished 36th. I can see skeptics thinking "that's the guy we hired, and he's stuck in the past with his roster builds."
I'm still in on Shaka. He's only 48 and as fifth and sixth year players go away, I think the value of a program built on continuity will rise. It's going to get harder to buy experience and take longer to build cohesion, and Shaka's continuity addresses both of those. But I do think it will go in cycles. When we have a couple solid recruiting classes in a row that are juniors and seniors at the same time, we'll be really good. When we have a down class or two in a row become upperclassmen, it'll be tough sledding. The longer we sustain success, the fewer down classes I imagine we'll have. But this program is going to take more time than the "buy stars now" schools like St. John's are to build back from the losses of program cornerstones like Tyler, Oso, Stevie, and Kam.
I respect Shaka's decision to do things the way that he wants to do them. I also think that he is a great enough coach to realize that if things are not working then he will change.
Of course there are going to be down cycles. There are down cycles for teams that use the portal heavily.
I look at it this way. Every high major team other than MU used the portal last season. There were the same number of wins, the same number of losses, the same number of surprise teams, the same number of disappointing teams. So, from that perspective, since everybody is using it, it is essentially background noise.
There were some old school coaches complaining and retiring. There were some young coaches embracing the new structure. Again, same as it ever was.
There are a number (I have little doubt that the data guys can figure out the exact number) of players who entered the portal who haven't landed anywhere yet. Who aren't getting a bag, who aren't moving up.
A recurring theme among MU signees and potential signees is that they really admire Shaka's commitment to his recruits and that they won't be buried by portal transfers.
So, yes, there will be misses. There will be down seasons. There always have been and always will be, even among schools that go heavy into the portal.
I am enjoying zigging when everyone else is zagging. I am enjoying watching the players develop. I am enjoying watching MU have an identity again.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 14, 2025, 06:37:54 AMI'm in on Shaka, but I actually think there's a rational argument that 2023 & 2024 were more outliers than what we should expect going forward. College basketball IS changing. The portal and NIL has transformed how programs are built. When you look at the college landscape, for most programs the months after the Final Four are just as, if not more, exciting than the Tournament itself.
And yet while everyone else is moving into that future, Shaka is the one guy who is fervently holding on to a past that many feel doesn't exist anymore. When people have been saying "we just need one more guy" for three years, and the last two years ended at a lower level than the one before with most pundits predicting another drop, it's easy to say that his rosters with a pair of NBA-talent transfers and a trio of four-year players that originally committed to the last coach might've been the outlier.
In 7 of the 8 years before coming to Marquette, Shaka finished below his preseason kenpom projection, and the only time he beat it was in 2018 when he was projected 37th and finished 36th. I can see skeptics thinking "that's the guy we hired, and he's stuck in the past with his roster builds."
I'm still in on Shaka. He's only 48 and as fifth and sixth year players go away, I think the value of a program built on continuity will rise. It's going to get harder to buy experience and take longer to build cohesion, and Shaka's continuity addresses both of those. But I do think it will go in cycles. When we have a couple solid recruiting classes in a row that are juniors and seniors at the same time, we'll be really good. When we have a down class or two in a row become upperclassmen, it'll be tough sledding. The longer we sustain success, the fewer down classes I imagine we'll have. But this program is going to take more time than the "buy stars now" schools like St. John's are to build back from the losses of program cornerstones like Tyler, Oso, Stevie, and Kam.
Until he significantly underperforms in more than one season, I am not going to worry how he builds his teams.
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2025, 07:29:29 AMA recurring theme among MU signees and potential signees is that they really admire Shaka's commitment to his recruits and that they won't be buried by portal transfers.
So, yes, there will be misses. There will be down seasons. There always have been and always will be, even among schools that go heavy into the portal.
I am enjoying zigging when everyone else is zagging. I am enjoying watching the players develop. I am enjoying watching MU have an identity again.
Great post Tower.
Scoop's portal pushers very conveniently ignore that the portal swings both ways. Kolek. Oso, Stevie, and others could have easily transferred out. "Improving the team" with transfers destroys the premise of your top sentence here. And going the portal route does
not guarantee better results than Shaka's approach.
I love not only Marquette's identity but also knowing the players from previous seasons and watching them develop.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 14, 2025, 06:37:54 AMI'm in on Shaka, but I actually think there's a rational argument that 2023 & 2024 were more outliers than what we should expect going forward. College basketball IS changing. The portal and NIL has transformed how programs are built. When you look at the college landscape, for most programs the months after the Final Four are just as, if not more, exciting than the Tournament itself.
And yet while everyone else is moving into that future, Shaka is the one guy who is fervently holding on to a past that many feel doesn't exist anymore. When people have been saying "we just need one more guy" for three years, and the last two years ended at a lower level than the one before with most pundits predicting another drop, it's easy to say that his rosters with a pair of NBA-talent transfers and a trio of four-year players that originally committed to the last coach might've been the outlier.
In 7 of the 8 years before coming to Marquette, Shaka finished below his preseason kenpom projection, and the only time he beat it was in 2018 when he was projected 37th and finished 36th. I can see skeptics thinking "that's the guy we hired, and he's stuck in the past with his roster builds."
I'm still in on Shaka. He's only 48 and as fifth and sixth year players go away, I think the value of a program built on continuity will rise. It's going to get harder to buy experience and take longer to build cohesion, and Shaka's continuity addresses both of those. But I do think it will go in cycles. When we have a couple solid recruiting classes in a row that are juniors and seniors at the same time, we'll be really good. When we have a down class or two in a row become upperclassmen, it'll be tough sledding. The longer we sustain success, the fewer down classes I imagine we'll have. But this program is going to take more time than the "buy stars now" schools like St. John's are to build back from the losses of program cornerstones like Tyler, Oso, Stevie, and Kam.
Great post Alan. I am all in on Shaka - this is truly the first year the team will have fully 100% Shaka recruits - and I am excited for Shaka to try it his way.
But I have to admit, I am a bit concerned about this roster, especially the Junior and Senior class. Shaka did great the first 2 years on portal players, then our current junior and senior class have performed less than advertised imho. So I am hoping a few stars emerge from the current soph and freshman classes.
And before 75% of scoop jumps on me for voicing a rational opinion, Shaka had 4 NBA players in the first 2 years - time will tell, but the next 2 years (current Jr and Sr) are not looking nearly as fruitful if you are being 100% honest with yourself.
There's a difference between "having" NBA players and "developing" NBA players. Duke has NBA players, Cal has NBA players, those guys are going to the association no matter what. Shaka developed NBA players. A couple of them might have made it anyways, but I highly doubt all of them would.
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 14, 2025, 09:50:34 AMThere's a difference between "having" NBA players and "developing" NBA players. Duke has NBA players, Cal has NBA players, those guys are going to the association no matter what. Shaka developed NBA players. A couple of them might have made it anyways, but I highly doubt all of them would.
100% agree with you and my sentiment still stands, our current Jr and Sr classes to date have not developed to be NBA caliber players. Not saying that can't change, but its very unlikely at this point we get 4 NBA draft picks out of BG, Chase, Sean, Tre or Zaide.
Quote from: MUbiz on August 14, 2025, 10:09:49 AM100% agree with you and my sentiment still stands, our current Jr and Sr classes to date have not developed to be NBA caliber players. Not saying that can't change, but its very unlikely at this point we get 4 NBA draft picks out of BG, Chase, Sean, Tre or Zaide.
Was it not very unlikely that all of OMax, TKO, Oso, and Kam make it?
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 14, 2025, 10:13:03 AMWas it not very unlikely that all of OMax, TKO, Oso, and Kam make it?
It is more than fair to say you saw the development of Omax, TKO, Oso and Kam and could tell they were going to NBA a year before it happened. Other college coaches were saying Oso was a pro (Hurley), Omax was a freak athletically, TKO was BE player of year and Kam was shooting 40% from 3. Also - those 4 players had a buzz around them in NBA circles.
I do not see the development of our current Jr and Sr right now to NBA players and the only one that has had any talk about "he might be NBA talent" to date is Chase that I am aware of.
Quote from: MUbiz on August 14, 2025, 10:24:46 AMIt is more than fair to say you saw the development of Omax, TKO, Oso and Kam and could tell they were going to NBA a year before it happened. Other college coaches were saying Oso was a pro (Hurley), Omax was a freak athletically, TKO was BE player of year and Kam was shooting 40% from 3. Also - those 4 players had a buzz around them in NBA circles.
I do not see the development of our current Jr and Sr right now to NBA players and the only one that has had any talk about "he might be NBA talent" to date is Chase that I am aware of.
So your argument is "I just saw Shaka develop these players into NBA level, but I don't think he can do it again with different players."
I get CBB is very much a "what have you done for me lately" business and of course he's not going to have 4 future NBA players on every roster, but as others have said, until Shaka's way starts not working, I'm going to let him do things his way.
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 14, 2025, 10:28:35 AMSo your argument is "I just saw Shaka develop these players into NBA level, but I don't think he can do it again with different players."
How did you extrapolate this take? I never even said that. LOL. It is fair to say we knew Oso, TKO and Kam were getting drafted a year before it happened. Again, Hurley comments, BE player of year and all 3 were being discussed in NBA circles.
My point is we do not have that currently on our team currently from any of the Jr class or senior class. I am not saying it can't happen, but the first 2 years of Shaka's teams developed much faster and produced more than the players from the next 2 years. Which in turn, limits our ceiling as a team this coming year - unless of course 2-3 guys step up and become stars - but the likelihood of that happening is not great. Which is why I am leaning in on the current fresh and sohp to step up.
Quote from: MUbiz on August 14, 2025, 10:55:03 AMMy point is we do not have that currently on our team currently from any of the Jr class or senior class.
Quote from: MUbiz on August 14, 2025, 10:24:46 AMhas had any talk about "he might be NBA talent" to date is Chase
If you sit on both sides of the fence you'll always be able to say you're right, so you got that going for you.
It's fine to say if you don't like the way Shaka has gone about business, but the results of him building a program his way have thus far spoken for themselves.
Quote from: MUbiz on August 14, 2025, 10:55:03 AMHow did you extrapolate this take? I never even said that. LOL. It is fair to say we knew Oso, TKO and Kam were getting drafted a year before it happened. Again, Hurley comments, BE player of year and all 3 were being discussed in NBA circles.
My point is we do not have that currently on our team currently from any of the Jr class or senior class. I am not saying it can't happen, but the first 2 years of Shaka's teams developed much faster and produced more than the players from the next 2 years. Which in turn, limits our ceiling as a team this coming year - unless of course 2-3 guys step up and become stars - but the likelihood of that happening is not great. Which is why I am leaning in on the current fresh and sohp to step up.
Prior to the season that we won the BE, BET, and got a 2 seed, OMax was coming off a season he averaged 6.6 points, 3.3 rebounds and shot 31% from 3. Nobody thought he'd be off to the NBA after that season. Kolek was coming off a season he averaged 6.7 points, 5.9 assists, and shot 28% from 3. Nobody thought he was going to be an NBA player in 2 years, let alone an All American and BE POY that season. Oso was coming off a season that he averaged 5.5 points, 3.3 rebounds, and played 18 minutes per game.
Hindsight is 20/20. You're rewriting history here if you think people saw 4 NBA players on MU's roster going into a year we won the BE and BET. Hell, the coaches picked us to finish 9th in the 11 team Big East.
Quote from: Its DJOver on August 14, 2025, 11:00:45 AMIf you sit on both sides of the fence you'll always be able to say you're right, so you got that going for you.
It's fine to say if you don't like the way Shaka has gone about business, but the results of him building a program his way have thus far spoken for themselves.
You cherry picked my chase quote - context matters -
"I do not see the development of our current Jr and Sr right now to NBA players and the only one that has had any talk about "he might be NBA talent" to date is Chase
that I am aware of. "
But in all honesty, name one player Shaka has recruited that's been like wow that guys a stud in the current Jr or Senior class? Be honest with yourself.
I am grateful for what Shaka has done - don't get me wrong he's awesome he's what this university needed in terms of a spark, but its also more than fair to say those 2 classes have not performed to date.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 14, 2025, 11:07:19 AMPrior to the season that we won the BE, BET, and got a 2 seed, OMax was coming off a season he averaged 6.6 points, 3.3 rebounds and shot 31% from 3. Nobody thought he'd be off to the NBA after that season. Kolek was coming off a season he averaged 6.7 points, 5.9 assists, and shot 28% from 3. Nobody thought he was going to be an NBA player in 2 years, let alone an All American and BE POY that season. Oso was coming off a season that he averaged 5.5 points, 3.3 rebounds, and played 18 minutes per game.
Hindsight is 20/20. You're rewriting history here if you think people saw 4 NBA players on MU's roster going into a year we won the BE and BET. Hell, the coaches picked us to finish 9th in the 11 team Big East.
Yep, selective memory is a strong thing.
Also, let's just take a step back. Making the NBA does not mean that a player is going to be a great college player the same way that not making the NBA does not mean that someone isn't a great college player. Jerel has 6 career games played in the NBA. Vander has 10. I don't know if it's still the case, but at one time DJO had the prestigious honor of having the most fga in the NBA without a career point. Juan had a spectacularly average college career, but has a ring. We could very well have no future NBA players on the roster and have a very good collegiate team. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 14, 2025, 11:07:19 AMPrior to the season that we won the BE, BET, and got a 2 seed, OMax was coming off a season he averaged 6.6 points, 3.3 rebounds and shot 31% from 3. Nobody thought he'd be off to the NBA after that season. Kolek was coming off a season he averaged 6.7 points, 5.9 assists, and shot 28% from 3. Nobody thought he was going to be an NBA player in 2 years, let alone an All American and BE POY that season. Oso was coming off a season that he averaged 5.5 points, 3.3 rebounds, and played 18 minutes per game.
Hindsight is 20/20. You're rewriting history here if you think people saw 4 NBA players on MU's roster going into a year we won the BE and BET. Hell, the coaches picked us to finish 9th in the 11 team Big East.
You are missing my point:
Tyler BEPOY - everyone knew right there he was going pro. And he did a year later.
Kam was being talked about as a pro his junior year - and he did a year later.
Dan Hurleys comment about Oso going pro was 1.5 years before he went pro.
Omax - I see your point, he shot up the NBA draft boards due to combine
3 of the 4 guys we got legit 2 great seasons from due to Shaka development. We do not have that from this senior class - as there is one year left for them. And the juniors have not showed anything other than a few good games by Zaide to date.
Sure, it's fair to say that most of us knew TK, Oso and Kam (and maybe even OMax) would get drafted a year before it happened ... but did even one Scooper foresee any of them getting drafted two years before it happened - let alone when they arrived on Marquette's campus as virtual unknowns?
TK and OMax had no better credentials going into the 2022-23 season than Parham and Ross do right now. Can those two (and others) continue to develop, with help from their coaches and teammates, to the point where they are NBA-level players? Maybe, maybe not. I'll enjoy the journey as we all find out.
Otherwise, thanks to brew and tower for your more in-depth takes in what has been an interesting discussion.
I remain psyched about the future of Marquette hoops!
Quote from: MUbiz on August 14, 2025, 10:55:03 AMHow did you extrapolate this take? I never even said that. LOL. It is fair to say we knew Oso, TKO and Kam were getting drafted a year before it happened. Again, Hurley comments, BE player of year and all 3 were being discussed in NBA circles.
My point is we do not have that currently on our team currently from any of the Jr class or senior class. I am not saying it can't happen, but the first 2 years of Shaka's teams developed much faster and produced more than the players from the next 2 years. Which in turn, limits our ceiling as a team this coming year - unless of course 2-3 guys step up and become stars - but the likelihood of that happening is not great. Which is why I am leaning in on the current fresh and sohp to step up.
I absolutely don't think it's fair to say we knew that Oso, TK, Kam or Omax were getting drafted the year before it happened. With OMax, no one was really considering he would leave early, let alone get drafted in the 1st round.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 14, 2025, 02:25:01 PMI absolutely don't think it's fair to say we knew that Oso, TK, Kam or Omax were absolutely getting drafted the year before it happened. With OMax, no one was really considering he would leave early, let alone get drafted in the 1st round.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on August 14, 2025, 02:25:01 PMI absolutely don't think it's fair to say we knew that Oso, TK, Kam or Omax were getting drafted the year before it happened. With OMax, no one was really considering he would leave early, let alone get drafted in the 1st round.
I mean we sort of knew with Omax, he was young and left somewhat out of the blue. You only leave if you've pretty much got a guarantee that you're going first round... or you're Vander.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 14, 2025, 02:35:06 PMI mean we sort of knew with Omax, he was young and left somewhat out of the blue. You only leave if you've pretty much got a guarantee that you're going first round... or you're Vander.
Or Justin.
I compared to Brunson after the Illinois game his sophomore year.
I called Omax to the NBA after the UNC debacle, though I thought it would take two years.
I called Oso to the NBA after his junior year.
I called Stevie as a 3 year starter after the UNC debacle. I thought he would show PG skills, but he never did. Oops.
I still haven't gotten off the Gold train. It is lonely and the one time I miss Goose.
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2025, 02:46:58 PMI still haven't gotten off the Gold train. It is lonely and the one time I miss Goose.
Unlike some Scoopers, I consider Gold to be a more than acceptable college center. Not great, not very good, but a guy who does a lot of good things. Plays sound defense, helps space the court, hits some 3s. Of course we all would like to see him play even better, and more consistently well.
But no, I've never seen an NBA career for him.
Now, if he really shows an ability to hit 3-pointers in volume, that's something NBA teams value. So maybe he hasn't finished writing his story yet.
Btw... a number of posters here and elsewhere in part years said they thought Ben and Chase would be gone to the NBA well before heading into their senior years ...
Name names.
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2025, 05:36:12 PMName names.
Quote from: EasyDuzIt on March 25, 2024, 12:09:32 PMagree...I thought Ben played well in limited minutes other then missing 2 free throws...hit a big corner 3 in 2nd half...and in 1st half had a good drive and got to the line and also had an assist on a kickout 3 to Jop....I'm really excited for this kids future..keep getting stronger and his shot is going to get more consistent now the fact he's showing he can put it on the floor with closeouts...think he's an NBA guy
Nothing about leaving early. Which is what JB claimed.
Plus, he has a spelling error.
#pedantic
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2025, 05:36:12 PMName names.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 16, 2023, 01:36:01 PMI want to see what happens with Chase next year. If he is a little more consistent from deep, I could easily see him making the league.
Where is the reference to going before their senior year?
I think both seniors could potentially play in the league at some point and I own it. I want to know who said they might go before their senior year.
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2025, 07:33:50 PMWhere is the reference to going before their senior year?
I think both seniors could potentially play in the league at some point and I own it. I want to know who said they might go before their senior year.
Just look at the timestamps of the quotes. Chase was May 2023.
Quote from: MUbiz on August 14, 2025, 07:35:59 PMJust look at the timestamps of the quotes. Chase was May 2023.
Lolwut
But he never said he might go before his senior year.
It is entirely possible we are using different meanings. I am reading it that JB is claiming somebody thought Ben or Chase might leave after their junior year.
It appears you are looking for people who predicted early that they might eventually play in the league.
Put me in that category.
Hope Ben is good enough for the NBA. I was like Tower and thought it was a possibility, but i haven't seen the mental toughness or desire to take over a game yet. So I am now questioning my original opinion. My hope is that I will see that in his final year at MU. Being a role player is one thing. Being an elite college player is another. Fingers crossed.
I didn't say it in so many words, but I posted this a couple months into Chase's freshman year:
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 08, 2023, 11:52:05 AMI think the Jones/James and Gold/Hauser comparisons are choices of convenience, but Chase screams first year Jimmy. I made the same comparison in a chat the other day. Has the length and athleticism to be a stud, and very clearly an NBA player. He has to the moon upside.
I thought him going early was a very real possibility. Still think injuries might be the only reason he's still here.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 14, 2025, 11:02:23 PMI didn't say it in so many words, but I posted this a couple months into Chase's freshman year:
I thought him going early was a very real possibility. Still think injuries might be the only reason he's still here.
His table is set.
I would be very surprised if he doesn't have an amazing all around season and hear his name called on draft night.
He will definitely look the part walking on that NBA stage too.
Fingers crossed for good health.
He's earned this moment and he's ready for it imo.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 14, 2025, 11:02:23 PMI didn't say it in so many words, but I posted this a couple months into Chase's freshman year:
I thought him going early was a very real possibility. Still think injuries might be the only reason he's still here.
same.
Add me to the list of people who thought Ben Gold had NBA potential. 6-11 shooters are a valued commodity.
But time is running out. While Ben has developed into a serviceable starter, he hasn't made the leap to college star. He just wasn't assertive enough last year, failing to demonstrate NBA ability.
Chase has the defense, athleticism, and enough shooting to be an NBA role player. But can he be the college star Marquette needs this year?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on August 15, 2025, 08:42:30 AMAdd me to the list of people who thought Ben Gold had NBA potential. 6-11 shooters are a valued commodity.
But time is running out. While Ben has developed into a serviceable starter, he hasn't made the leap to college star. He just wasn't assertive enough last year, failing to demonstrate NBA ability.
Chase has the defense, athleticism, and enough shooting to be an NBA role player. But can he be the college star Marquette needs this year?
No
Would be awesome to see Chase or Ben make the NBA next year via the draft. Would be the first time Shaka had an MU player who had exhausted college eligibility get drafted.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 15, 2025, 09:23:42 AMWould be awesome to see Chase or Ben make the NBA next year via the draft. Would be the first time Shaka had an MU player who had exhausted college eligibility get drafted.
Am I missing something here? Is Kam being chalked up as a Wojo guy?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 15, 2025, 09:58:30 AMAm I missing something here? Is Kam being chalked up as a Wojo guy?
Hey, if tower can talk crazy, #metoo
Have a great day, Scoopers. I'm preppin for a big tourney. Noon CT start. #LostInTheFight
IIRC, Goose thought Gold might go to the NBA before his senior year, and at least a couple of Scoopers thought the same about Ross.
I'm far too lazy to look at a bazillion posts to try to confirm that, but it would hardly be surprising. I mean, there were Scoopers who thought Mayo might go to the NBA after his freshman year.
Conversely, there were Scoopers who thought Sam Hauser, TK and Oso wouldn't have a chance at NBA careers even after those players had proven themselves at Marquette.
This scooper thought Ben and Chase had NBA potential, and still do, but I can't recall anyone seriously worried about them leaving early or anything.
Quote from: MU82 on August 15, 2025, 10:30:44 AMIIRC, Goose thought Gold might go to the NBA before his senior year, and at least a couple of Scoopers thought the same about Ross.
I'm far too lazy to look at a bazillion posts to try to confirm that, but it would hardly be surprising. I mean, there were Scoopers who thought Mayo might go to the NBA after his freshman year.
Conversely, there were Scoopers who thought Sam Hauser, TK and Oso wouldn't have a chance at NBA careers even after those players had proven themselves at Marquette.
Don't forget the talk about Haaniff going pro early.
Since I have questioned his ability for years, what do you experts think he can average in points and rebounds this year, last year 7 and 4?
When I first saw him running at Chapman Academy he looked very fluid as a wing. Liked what I saw, still say Shaka tried to make him something that he was not. At least this year they have 2 backups that might help against power centers, so he can play less minutes and hopefully be more active as a wing.
It's a scoop tradition that as soon as a freshman has a great game somebody speculates about him going pro early.
Shaka keeps Tre on the roster, plays Ben out of position. Guy doesn't know what he's doing. In over his head here.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 15, 2025, 01:14:13 PMDon't forget the talk about Haaniff going pro early.
Yeah, that was a fun one.
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 15, 2025, 03:21:49 PMSince I have questioned his ability for years, what do you experts think he can average in points and rebounds this year, last year 7 and 4?
I say Ben only plays center, averages 24 points and 12 rebounds, shoots 47% from 3, and leads us to the national title.
The night before the championship game, you're here Scoopin': "I still question his ability, and Shaka's not all that good at developing players."
Don't forget advocating for every player to be recruited over from the portal.
Quote from: MU82 on August 15, 2025, 05:40:58 PMI say Ben only plays center, averages 24 points and 12 rebounds, shoots 47% from 3, and leads us to the national title.
The night before the championship game, you're here Scoopin': "I still question his ability, and Shaka's not all that good at developing players."
You must be dreaming, I would really be excited about that, how about being realistic?
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 15, 2025, 03:21:49 PMWhen I first saw him running at Chapman Academy he looked very fluid as a wing. Liked what I saw, still say Shaka tried to make him something that he was not.
You have one impressive ego my friend.
If BChoopster wasn't locked up in a mental ward, I'd want ze as our coach tbh.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 15, 2025, 03:47:15 PMShaka keeps Tre on the roster, plays Ben out of position. Guy doesn't know what he's doing. In over his head here.
Out of necessity?
Quote from: avid1010 on August 15, 2025, 08:34:50 PMYou have one impressive ego my friend.
Ha! Could be said about 4 to 5 posters in this thread,