Pope Francis has died, Vatican says
https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-francis-has-died-vatican-says-video-statement-2025-04-21/
A life well lived. A good man.
One of his last acts was dunking on a hillbilly heretic. Solid.
I have about a dozen of those rolling through my brain. But for now I will mourn.
Headed to Rome in a few weeks, and while I'm disappointed that we likely won't see some of the sites, it will be quite an experience if the new pope is elected while we are there. I'm not Catholic, but I do respect Francis, his Jesuit-ness, and his seeming desire to be more inclusive, tolerant, and compassionate.
My wife and daughter just returned from a HS student trip to Italy on Saturday. My wife was group leader and my daughter a chaperone. They visited the Vatican on Monday. St. Peter's Square was closed for Holy Week. They did get to visit the Basilica and the Vatican Museums and Sistine Chapel.
Shaka needs to put on the full court press for recruits before the Jesuits lose power.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2025, 07:01:24 AMOne of his last acts was dunking on a hillbilly heretic. Solid.
The Last Snubber
Pope Francis was an incredible leader and one who lived by example.
One of my favorite stories about the Pope had to do with a 20-something woman who worked for me a few years back. She was smart, full of life and attractive. She was in my office one day when she blurted out that she was becoming Catholic.
I'm not one who wears his faith on his sleeve but I'm also willing to speak about it, if you want. So I asked her, "why? What is it that made you become Catholic. After all, you're not our usual convert demographic."
She looked at me and said, "Pope Francis." She told me she was moved by him, by the type of person he was and what he stood for. It was the first time I realized the hold he had over millions of people, Catholic and otherwise.
I didn't always agree with Pope Francis on temporal issues, but I understood that he took the callings we all have in the Gospels literally. I feel the same loss I did when Joseph Cardinal Bernadin, the late Archbishop of Chicago, died decades ago.
Pope Francis was a kind, decent man and I trust whomever becomes our next Pope has many of the same characteristics.
Francis entered the portal.
Him becoming pope probably kept me in the Catholic church. His reminders that we are to love each other, serve each other, forgive each other, and try to get through this together was an affirmation I desperately needed. And still do.
I'm not religious but he is a remarkable man who has changed the church for the positive in a way that best resembles humanity and its potential for growth and redemption. I hope only that the cardinals agree and continue his work
Quote from: tower912 on April 21, 2025, 09:57:10 AMHim becoming pope probably kept me in the Catholic church. His reminders that we are to love each other, serve each other, forgive each other, and try to get through this together was an affirmation I desperately needed. And still do.
Pope Francis sparked a resurgence in my wife's faith (she is Catholic, I am not). Her father was on the path to becoming a Jesuit priest when he met his future wife, so Jesuit values were instilled in her early on in life and continue to this day.
Quote from: tower912 on April 21, 2025, 09:57:10 AMHim becoming pope probably kept me in the Catholic church. His reminders that we are to love each other, serve each other, forgive each other, and try to get through this together was an affirmation I desperately needed. And still do.
I'm kind of in the same boat. Once Pope Francis was selected I committed to attending more Masses and increasing my financial commitment. Glad I did. Our parish went from a dour pastor (he turned every homily into a pro-life lecture, turning both my daughter and wife away from the church) to a younger uplifting positive pastor who kept me coming back. (He has since risen in our diocese.) Pope Francis was a most excellent choice at the time and I pray the next Pope continues his mission. RIP and thank you for your service.
RIP. He was a good man who will be hard to replace.
RIP to a great Pope. A man who truly lived the Gospel's message.
Holy sh!t first the pope and now Joe Lieberman?!
When I read what other Scoopers have said and combine these with the experience around me, I realize Pope Francis did his job -- Evangelize. He made believers out of non-believers and strengthened the faith of believers.
Pope Francis didn't evangelize with fire and brimstone. He didn't separate us into "saved" and "condemned for all eternity." As best I can tell, there aint anything coming out of the closet about his failings. Rather, Francis evangelized with love and with caring.
If that's not what a Pope is called to do, then we have a really strange view of leadership in our church.
https://x.com/jdvance/status/1914239114406191255?s=46
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 21, 2025, 03:43:35 PMhttps://x.com/jdvance/status/1914239114406191255?s=46
I'm guessing he'll remember the visit after what's being reported as being read the riot act first by Francis' Deputy then Francis himself.
Quote from: dgies9156 on April 21, 2025, 02:19:29 PMWhen I read what other Scoopers have said and combine these with the experience around me, I realize Pope Francis did his job -- Evangelize. He made believers out of non-believers and strengthened the faith of believers.
Pope Francis didn't evangelize with fire and brimstone. He didn't separate us into "saved" and "condemned for all eternity." As best I can tell, there aint anything coming out of the closet about his failings. Rather, Francis evangelized with love and with caring.
If that's not what a Pope is called to do, then we have a really strange view of leadership in our church.
I'm not a Catholic and have long had personal issues with the idea of the pope and the, to me, uncomfortable veneration of the position by some Catholics, the kissing of the rings, the thought of someone, not as a messenger, but as actually closer to God, etc...
However, despite that and, like you mentioned, disagreeing with him on some temporal matters, I really respected his tenure and his papacy for being forward thinking and modern. Very much needed from a position where everything about the Vatican and its leadership had seemed to revolve around stodgy dour old men to that point.
I also remember reading an anecdote from an interview where it came up that he once fell asleep during prayer and wondering if that was inappropriate, and Pope Francis said something to the effect of a father loves when his children fall asleep in his arms...and I thought that was incredibly poignant and beautiful, regardless of your specific faith or affiliation.
https://x.com/MattGrossenbach/status/1914687407955357755
Buzz's dream job.
Just like I thought he should apply for the MU president gig, I vote for Sultan.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2025, 02:04:13 PMBuzz's dream job.
Nah, I hear the Vatican has crap sweet tea, he's out.
Buzz doesn't strike me as a lifetime appointment type of guy.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 22, 2025, 02:53:30 PMBuzz doesn't strike me as a lifetime appointment type of guy.
Given the history of some of the dudes (and maybe one woman) who have been pope, buzz's proclivity to have a flusher would be quaint
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 02:08:08 PMJust like I thought he should apply for the MU president gig, I vote for Sultan.
The first Jesuit pope followed by the first Protestant one would be interesting.
I don't envy his successor, who has very big shoes to fill.
Sounds like Francis tried to "stack the court" for more progressive leadership in the future.
But if the Catholic Church is like most other institutions, I expect a hard pivot back to conservativism next
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 22, 2025, 07:07:29 PMSounds like Francis tried to "stack the court" for more progressive leadership in the future.
But if the Catholic Church is like most other institutions, I expect a hard pivot back to conservativism next
Hopefully, that hard pivot doesn't include boy raping again
Quote from: Warriors4ever on April 22, 2025, 05:47:03 PMI don't envy his successor, who has very big shoes to fill.
I don't envy his successor since whoever it is has a big mess to clean up. I had high hopes for him when he was elected pope, but became increasingly disappointed in the messages he was sending from the Vatican. Referring to the Traditional Lation Mass as a "nostaligic disease" and banning it from churches, banning private masses typically said daily in side chapels and alters at St Peters, referring to conservative Catholics as "backwards" and "suicidal," excommunicating Vigano, dismal of Bishop Strickland and other Cardinals who he felt were too conservative, the Fiducia Supplicans fiasco, are just a few example of the many problems he created. And yes, he did stack the deck in the College of Cardinals. I will be praying that the next pope is someone in line with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, or Cardinal Raymond Burke.
May God have mercy on his soul.
"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/
pls remove.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 22, 2025, 07:07:29 PMSounds like Francis tried to "stack the court" for more progressive leadership in the future.
But if the Catholic Church is like most other institutions, I expect a hard pivot back to conservativism next
Maybe, but the oddsmakers and betting markets seem to think otherwise.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 23, 2025, 09:24:41 AMI don't envy his successor since whoever it is has a big mess to clean up. I had high hopes for him when he was elected pope, but became increasingly disappointed in the messages he was sending from the Vatican. Referring to the Traditional Lation Mass as a "nostaligic disease" and banning it from churches, banning private masses typically said daily in side chapels and alters at St Peters, referring to conservative Catholics as "backwards" and "suicidal," excommunicating Vigano, dismal of Bishop Strickland and other Cardinals who he felt were too conservative, the Fiducia Supplicans fiasco, are just a few example of the many problems he created. And yes, he did stack the deck in the College of Cardinals. I will be praying that the next pope is someone in line with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, or Cardinal Raymond Burke.
May God have mercy on his soul.
"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/
Lol.
I have a better chance of becoming the next pope than Raymond Burke, who seems eager to return the church to the Dark Ages and make it even less relevant.
And I always turn to the Federalist when I want serious reflection on the nature of Catholicism.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 23, 2025, 09:24:41 AMI don't envy his successor since whoever it is has a big mess to clean up. I had high hopes for him when he was elected pope, but became increasingly disappointed in the messages he was sending from the Vatican. Referring to the Traditional Lation Mass as a "nostaligic disease" and banning it from churches, banning private masses typically said daily in side chapels and alters at St Peters, referring to conservative Catholics as "backwards" and "suicidal," excommunicating Vigano, dismal of Bishop Strickland and other Cardinals who he felt were too conservative, the Fiducia Supplicans fiasco, are just a few example of the many problems he created. And yes, he did stack the deck in the College of Cardinals. I will be praying that the next pope is someone in line with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, or Cardinal Raymond Burke.
May God have mercy on his soul.
"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/
Historically, most popes have been amoral and despicable people. That's why I'd be a traditionalist if I were Catholic. No more woke popes and more popes without empathy
Quote from: Pakuni on April 23, 2025, 09:35:57 AMLol.
I have a better chance of becoming the next pope than Raymond Burke, who seems eager to return the church to the Dark Ages and make it even less relevant.
And I always turn to the Federalist when I want serious reflection on the nature of Catholicism.
Who funds the Federalist?
There will always be some that desire an insular, dogmatic approach to Catholicism.
Raymond Burke would certainly be the orange man's choice.
What was interesting in both jutaw's post and the article from the Federalist was the total absence of any reference to the messages of the gospel. Whether or not one agreed with Francis, the basis of many of his positions on matters was clearly based upon those messages. The introversion, circling of the wagons mentality of the right in the church is suicidal.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2025, 09:44:32 AMWho funds the Federalist?
The cardboard king of Chicago (well, Lake Forest, anyhow).
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 23, 2025, 10:13:39 AMRaymond Burke would certainly be the orange man's choice.
What was interesting in both jutaw's post and the article from the Federalist was the total absence of any reference to the messages of the gospel. Whether or not one agreed with Francis, the basis of many of his positions on matters was clearly based upon those messages. The introversion, circling of the wagons mentality of the right in the church is suicidal.
They just want to hate and have an excuse to hate.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 23, 2025, 09:24:41 AMI don't envy his successor since whoever it is has a big mess to clean up. I had high hopes for him when he was elected pope, but became increasingly disappointed in the messages he was sending from the Vatican. Referring to the Traditional Lation Mass as a "nostaligic disease" and banning it from churches, banning private masses typically said daily in side chapels and alters at St Peters, referring to conservative Catholics as "backwards" and "suicidal," excommunicating Vigano, dismal of Bishop Strickland and other Cardinals who he felt were too conservative, the Fiducia Supplicans fiasco, are just a few example of the many problems he created. And yes, he did stack the deck in the College of Cardinals. I will be praying that the next pope is someone in line with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, or Cardinal Raymond Burke.
May God have mercy on his soul.
"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/
This post checks out.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 23, 2025, 09:24:41 AM"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/
Contrary to what jutaw and the Federalist claim here about Francis sowing division, he was overwhelmingly popular.
At least 80 percent of surveyed U.S. Catholics expressed a favorable opinion of Francis in 10 of 15 polls conducted by the Pew Research Center between 2013, when he became pope, and February 9, 2025. His highest favorability rating was 90 percent in February 2015.https://www.newsweek.com/pope-francis-vatican-catholic-church-lgbtq-immigration-2062136
Quote from: Pakuni on April 23, 2025, 11:20:27 AMContrary to what jutaw and the Federalist claim here about Francis sowing division, he was overwhelmingly popular.
At least 80 percent of surveyed U.S. Catholics expressed a favorable opinion of Francis in 10 of 15 polls conducted by the Pew Research Center between 2013, when he became pope, and February 9, 2025. His highest favorability rating was 90 percent in February 2015.
https://www.newsweek.com/pope-francis-vatican-catholic-church-lgbtq-immigration-2062136
His greatest problem was his inclusivity and refusal to denounce those with lifestyles that some have phobias about.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 23, 2025, 09:24:41 AMI don't envy his successor since whoever it is has a big mess to clean up. I had high hopes for him when he was elected pope, but became increasingly disappointed in the messages he was sending from the Vatican. Referring to the Traditional Lation Mass as a "nostaligic disease" and banning it from churches, banning private masses typically said daily in side chapels and alters at St Peters, referring to conservative Catholics as "backwards" and "suicidal," excommunicating Vigano, dismal of Bishop Strickland and other Cardinals who he felt were too conservative, the Fiducia Supplicans fiasco, are just a few example of the many problems he created. And yes, he did stack the deck in the College of Cardinals. I will be praying that the next pope is someone in line with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, or Cardinal Raymond Burke.
May God have mercy on his soul.
"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/
We are diametrically opposed.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2025, 11:26:06 AMHis greatest problem was his inclusivity and refusal to denounce those with lifestyles that some have phobias about.
Also quoted Jesus a little too often when it came to being kind to immigrants, poor folks and vulnerable people.
Love thy neighbor, blah blah blah. Save it, pal!
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2025, 01:13:44 PMAlso quoted Jesus a little too often when it came to being kind to immigrants, poor folks and vulnerable people.
Love thy neighbor, blah blah blah. Save it, pal!
That's the rub for certain American Catholics, aina?
Catholic social teaching is a vast and varied mosaic. The sanctity of the individual and their labor, prefential option for the poor and the immigrant, support for a national health care system as long as it does not include contraception, being stewards of the earth, anti-pure capitalism, as well as pure communism, anti death penalty.
As well as anti- abortion and contraception, and anti gay marriage.
It is actually a fairly well integrated and woven tapestry. However, it does not fit easily into any one current American party. So, us being weak, choose our political affiliation and then pick and choose which Catholic teachings fit our pre-existing biases and weaknesses. And choosing to ignore and belittle Catholic teachings that go against out political bias.
It is damn difficult to find an anti-abortion, anti- gay marriage, pro-immigrant, anti- death penalty, anti-unfettered capitalism, prefential option for the poor, pro steward of the environment politician.
So, I shall render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto the Lord what is the Lord's.
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2025, 01:13:44 PMAlso quoted Jesus a little too often when it came to being kind to immigrants, poor folks and vulnerable people.
Love thy neighbor, blah blah blah. Save it, pal!
Completely ignored Jesus' affinity for the Latin Mass and shunning of divorced people.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 01:29:33 PMHowever, it does not fit easily into any one current American party. So, us being weak, choose our political affiliation and then pick and choose which Catholic teachings fit our pre-existing biases and weaknesses. And choosing to ignore and belittle Catholic teachings that go against our political bias.
I think of what you described here as "outcome-based beliefs".
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2025, 10:29:34 AMThey just want to hate and have an excuse to hate.
Not the ones destroying Teslas
I have no idea what you are referring to
But one exception, if so , does not make a rebuttal
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on April 24, 2025, 03:02:10 PMI have no idea what you are referring to
But one exception, if so , does not make a rebuttal
I'm not sure what Teslas had to do with American Catholics just wanting to hate and have an excuse to hate
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 24, 2025, 03:37:34 PMI'm not sure what Teslas had to do with American Catholics just wanting to hate and have an excuse to hate
Listen buddy, we all know that if Jesus were alive today, that he would ride into Jerusalem on a Cyber Truck and that by the end of the week, Pilate would be the one on the cross and Jesus would be on the throne. Riding on donkeys and getting crucified is for the weak.
Raymond Burke once blamed 'radical feminism' for pedophile priests and objected to girls being altar servers. No thank you, to him and his ilk.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 23, 2025, 09:24:41 AMI don't envy his successor since whoever it is has a big mess to clean up. I had high hopes for him when he was elected pope, but became increasingly disappointed in the messages he was sending from the Vatican. Referring to the Traditional Lation Mass as a "nostaligic disease" and banning it from churches, banning private masses typically said daily in side chapels and alters at St Peters, referring to conservative Catholics as "backwards" and "suicidal," excommunicating Vigano, dismal of Bishop Strickland and other Cardinals who he felt were too conservative, the Fiducia Supplicans fiasco, are just a few example of the many problems he created. And yes, he did stack the deck in the College of Cardinals. I will be praying that the next pope is someone in line with Cardinal Robert Sarah, Cardinal Peter Erdo, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, or Cardinal Raymond Burke.
May God have mercy on his soul.
"The Legacy of Pope Francis is Chaos, Confusion, and Division in the Catholic Church"
https://thefederalist.com/2025/04/21/the-legacy-of-pope-francis-is-chaos-confusion-and-division-in-the-catholic-church/
Yeah, can you imagine the audacity of actually following Jesus's teachings?
That certainly is anti-Catholic.
What the heck was he thinking caring about all people not judging least he be judge
Thank God, you were able to judge him. Blonde haired blue eyed Jesus would be proud. The real Jesus not so much.
Honest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 25, 2025, 08:16:42 AMHonest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.
It's just part of the whole trad fad. Somehow life was better when the mass was in Latin and no one questioned what the priests were doing with the alter boys.
And its not limited to Catholics. Martin Luther started translating the mass into German 500 years ago because he thought it would be more meaningful in a language people actually understood. But there are a whole bunch of Lutheran churches that still did their services in German up until just a few decades ago - and some wish they would return.
(If you see Lutheran churches named something like "First English" they broke away because they wanted to do their services in English. Strange huh?)
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 25, 2025, 08:16:42 AMHonest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.
I'm in the same boat, but my read is that any movement away from the old ways is seen as a journey away from traditional Catholicism. Which is the thing that is killing Catholicism.
A lot of people worship at the altar of nostalgia. They remember the good things, but ignore all of the bad stuff.
Thank you both for the replies.
I recently attended Mass a few times with my wife and noticed wording had changed from when I would attend the 10 pm Sunday masses at the AMU. Are people in arms over that, too?
The strangest Mass I ever attended was out in Hartland for an Easter Mass back in college. The priest sang the entire mass. A lot of looks of confusion from the congregation that day.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 25, 2025, 08:16:42 AMHonest question as a non-Catholic: What is the deal with those hung up on the Latin Mass and longing for it to return? My wife responded when I asked her, "I don't get it or care." TIA.
The trad fad is wild to me because the history of the papacy and Vatican is awful. Anyone that would study the history of the church itself would understand that. The few good popes in history were almost always undone by years of nepotism popes and acquiescing to the political and militaristic winds of Europe.
The only consistency of the church has been its inconsistency. I'm not sure what people are longing for.
Never found the appeal of the Latin mass.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 25, 2025, 08:30:40 AMThank you both for the replies.
I recently attended Mass a few times with my wife and noticed wording had changed from when I would attend the 10 pm Sunday masses at the AMU. Are people in arms over that, too?
The strangest Mass I ever attended was out in Hartland for an Easter Mass back in college. The priest sang the entire mass. A lot of looks of confusion from the congregation that day.
Under JPII or Benedict (I don't remember), they authorized scholarly "retranslation from the original". There was a multi-year effort for a group of scholars to better translate from the original Latin/Greek so wording from parts of the mass sound different.
Offer both masses and let people attend the one they prefer. Both Latin and contemporary masses are uplifting and spiritually comforting
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on April 29, 2025, 08:45:24 PMOffer both masses and let people attend the one they prefer. Both Latin and contemporary masses are uplifting and spiritually comforting
At every parish? How popular do you think the Latin mass actually is?
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on April 29, 2025, 08:45:24 PMOffer both masses and let people attend the one they prefer. Both Latin and contemporary masses are uplifting and spiritually comforting
Problem is, the Latin Mass only appeals to a tiny fraction of Catholics ... something like 0.4% attend Latin Mass weekly.
How many priests know the Latin mass?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 29, 2025, 09:24:12 PMHow many priests know the Latin mass?
69
(Sh!t ... I've been reading Rico for too long.)
Quote from: The Sultan on April 29, 2025, 08:53:12 PMAt every parish? How popular do you think the Latin mass actually is?
At the parishes that would want to offer it. The point is it should be accessible to people who would like to participate in the TLM.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 30, 2025, 12:05:00 PMAt the parishes that would want to offer it. The point is it should be accessible to people who would like to participate in the TLM.
Define accessible.
I like Lindsey Graham's suggestion of new pope. Count me in
Quick AI search results on TLM in Milwaukee...
In Milwaukee, WI, the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) is offered at the following locations based on available information:
1. **St. Stanislaus Church**
- **Address**: 524 W Historic Mitchell St, Milwaukee, WI 53204
- **Details**: Administered by the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, which emphasizes the TLM. The Latin Mass continues as scheduled, with priests required to inform the bishop of their intent to celebrate it and explain the circumstances.[](https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/248456/do-we-have-a-latin-mass-us-bishops-continue-to-respond-to-traditionis-custodes)
- **Website**: https://www.institute-christ-king.org/milwaukee-home
2. **St. Hugh of Lincoln Roman Catholic Church**
- **Address**: Not specified in the provided data, but known as a home for TLM in Milwaukee.
- **Details**: This church exclusively offers the Traditional Latin Mass, adhering to pre-Vatican II teachings and customs. Masses are live-streamed on their YouTube channel, and they emphasize a uncompromising traditional Catholic experience.[](https://www.sainthugh.org/)
- **Website**: https://www.sainthugh.org/
**Additional Notes**:
- Historically, the TLM faced restrictions in the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, especially under Archbishop Rembert Weakland post-Vatican II, leading to Masses being held in non-church venues like event halls. However, the situation has improved, and the above locations are now established for TLM.[](https://onepeterfive.com/growing-up-underground-latin-mass/)
- For the most current Mass times, check the respective church websites or contact them directly, as schedules can change. The Tridentine Mass Society of Madison also provides resources for finding TLM in Wisconsin, though it focuses on the Madison diocese.[](https://latinmassmadison.org/)
Quote from: Warriors4ever on April 24, 2025, 07:30:22 PMRaymond Burke once blamed 'radical feminism' for pedophile priests and objected to girls being altar servers. No thank you, to him and his ilk.
Cardinal Burke as Pope would be enough for me to become Protestant.
Hard stop.
If somehow he makes it -- and I like to believe an earlier poster than even I would have a better chance of becoming Pope than Cardinal Burke -- then it's either Lutherans or Episcopalians for me. A Burke-run Catholic Church would basically end the American church as we know it.
I hope Timothy Dolan is completely embarrassed by would-be Pope Trump shilling for him...
Quote from: jutaw22mu on April 30, 2025, 12:05:00 PMAt the parishes that would want to offer it. The point is it should be accessible to people who would like to participate in the TLM.
I don't understand the alure of offering a mass in a language that 99.8% of people will not understand.
Quote from: Warriors4ever on April 30, 2025, 04:56:34 PMI hope Timothy Dolan is completely embarrassed by would-be Pope Trump shilling for him...
A truly shameful man, yet shameless as well.
MTG is on to them ...